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From YouTube: 1-23-23 City Council Work Session
Description
Des Moines City Council morning work session on Monday, January 23, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/CouncilMeetings
A
A
Well,
good
morning,
everybody
Welcome
to
our
Council
work
session
for
January
23rd
this
morning.
We're
going
to
have
a
little
discussion
about
water
and
I
know
that
we've
worked
with
water
folks
for
many
many
years
on
a
lot
of
different
water
issues,
quality
of
water
sources
of
water,
our
whole
water
shed
and
looking
to
try
to
make
sure
we
have
clean
water
for
all
of
our
citizens
at
the
source
and
also
at
their
homes.
A
B
We
have
recently,
though,
found
opportunities
to
take
care
of
an
issue
that
is
out
there
dealing
with
lead
pipes
with
some
additional
funding
coming
from
the
federal
government,
and
so
with
that
and
conversations
that
have
been
had
here
at
the
council
table.
We've
asked
Ted
and
his
experts
to
come
and
talk
with
us
to
make
sure
we
all
understand
the
same
science
behind
it.
B
What
our
Des
Moines
situation
is
and
then
afterwards
we,
the
staff,
had
formulated
a
couple
ideas
for
some
policy
changes
and
would
like
to
get
the
council's
reaction
to
those
policy
changes
and
see
if
we
can't
make
some
decisions
on
part
of
this
this
morning.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
Ted
to
and
ask
him
to
come
up
and
get
us
educated
on
this
topic.
Thank
you.
Ted.
C
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
visit
with
you
a
little
bit
here
this
morning
about
lead
water
service
lines
here
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
and
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
about
those
now
lead
water
service
line
replacement
is
is
a
national
problem.
It
certainly
isn't
Just
A
Des
Moines
problem.
There
are
communities
across
the
country
that
are
actively
looking
at
what,
if
anything,
they
can
do
with
their
lead
water
service
lines
that
specifically
the
service
lines
that
take
water
into
customer
homes.
C
The
Congress
and
EPA
have
kind
of
heightened
awareness
of
this
by
providing
funded
they've
directed
their
funding.
They've
directed
some
infrastructure
funding,
specifically
at
lead
service
lines,
prioritizing
disadvantaged
communities
across
the
country
and
asking
water
utilities
to
see
what
they
can
do
to
facilitate
these
lead
water
service
lines
being
replaced.
C
C
We
have
always
been
in
compliance
with
the
lead
and
copper
rule
or
not
a
lead
in
the
drinking
water
problem,
but
we
do
have
a
number
of
lead
service
lines
in
the
community
and
if
they're
there,
they
can
be
a
concern
if
things
change
or
things
go
wrong,
and
so
over
time
it's
our
goal
to
remove
those
the
atmosphere
in
the
water.
The
drinking
water
industry
has
long
been,
you
know,
they're
there
they're,
not
hurting
anything,
just
leave
them,
don't
touch
them
frankly,
after
the
issues
that
happen
in
Flint
Michigan.
That
attitude
has
evolved.
C
C
C
The
sampling
for
lead
is
a
little
bit
tricky
because
it's
the
requirement
is
for
a
first
draw
sample,
which
means
you
have
to
take
the
sample
at
the
kitchen
sink
before
any
water
is
used
in
the
house
on
that
day,
and
so
typically
you
know
in
my
house-
that's
5
30
in
the
morning
before
anybody
showers
before
any
laundry
is
done
or
anything
so
you
have
to
get
in
the
house.
Take
that
first
draw
sample
and
then
bring
it
to
the
lab
test.
C
C
All
the
way
from
the
water
main,
which
is
often
out
in
the
street,
into
their
house,
they
they
own
it
they're
responsible
for
it.
It's
like
their
roof
or
any
other
part
of
the
property
that
they
own,
but
it
the
whole
thing
isn't
LED,
even
in
a
situation
where
the
service
line
was
installed
before
1940,
which
is
when
we
can
see
lead
pipe.
The
entire
service
line
isn't
LED
and
on
the
graph
that
you
see
in
front
of
you,
usually
from
the
Des
Moines
Waterworks
water
main
to
the
shutoff
valve.
C
That
short
piece
is
where
the
lead
pipe
is
going
from.
The
shutoff
valve
into
the
home
in
our
case
in
the
older
homes,
is
typically
galvanized.
Steel
pipe
not
lead,
but
we
anticipate
that
the
new
EPA
regulations
are
going
to
require
the
whole
thing
to
be
replaced.
The
lead
and
any
galvanized
steel
that
has
ever
been
Downstream
of
lead.
C
F
I
just
have
a
question
about
what
you
just
said,
because
you
said
the
it's
not
just
the
part
from
the
water
main
to
the
shutoff
valve.
It's
it's
anything
any
galvanized
steel
where
lead
may
have
previously
flown
through
it.
So
if
there
are
poems
that
have
been
replaced
from
the
shutoff
valve
into
the
house,
but
not
necessarily
from
the
water
main
to
the
shutoff
valve,
those
would
fall
under
the
rule
too.
G
C
C
G
D
C
Are
a
couple
of
ways:
yes,
they're
not
easy
ways,
but
there
are
a
couple
ways:
one
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
city
to
see
to
look
at
plumbing,
permit
records
to
see
if
those,
if
properties
have
pulled
a
plumbing
permit,
to
replace
their
service
line,
they
should
have
done
that.
That's
not
an
easy
search
to
do
it's,
not
something
we
can
do
on
a
computer.
We
have
to
go
through
lots
of
Records.
C
We
can
also
look
in
the
basement
and
see
if
there's
copper,
pipe
coming
into
the
house
or
if
it's
still
galvanized
and
part
of
what
we're
going
to
recommend
here
to
the
council
is
a
pretty
intensive
public
information
campaign.
A
public
education
campaign
and
one
of
the
things
we
want
everybody
to
do
is
go
in
the
basement
and
see
what
pipe
they
have
coming
in
and
we
literally
intend
to
have
you
know
pictures
of
hey
here's,
what
it
will
look
like.
C
D
C
C
C
So
we
monitor
that
on
a
daily
basis
and
we
make
sure
that
the
water
isn't
corrosive
when
it
leaves
the
plan,
that's
something
we
do
every
single
day
and
so
we're
confident
that
when
the
water
leaves
the
plant,
it's
not
corrosive.
It
would
be
very
unusual
for
it
to
become
corrosive
out
in
the
system.
But
I
think
your
question
was
about
how
we
make
sure
that
the
water
we
send
out
is
not
corrosive
and
it's
it's
basically
a
water
chemistry
question,
and
we
might
we
manage
that
monitor
it
every
day,
because.
D
C
The
ones
that
are
the
most
notable
like
in
Flint
Michigan,
the
water,
was
leaving
the
plant
and
the
chemistry
wasn't
right,
and
that
was
the
problem,
but
we
monitored
that
and
have
been
successfully
doing
it
for
many
many
years
and
don't
plan
to
change
anything
so
shouldn't
have
a
problem.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
I.
F
C
There
are
other
options,
but,
let's
just
say,
either
copper
or
PEX,
which
is
a
plastic
it,
and
sometimes
they
do
leave
that
lead
there
it's
allowed
or
it
was
allowed.
You
could
leave
it
there
now
if
we
go
back
to
replace
the
lead
and
we
find
that
there's
Copper
from
the
shutoff
valve
into
the
house-
that's
okay!
C
We
don't
have
to
replace
that
because
galvanized
pipe
when
it
gets
old,
it
gets
very
rough
on
the
inside
and
the
fear
is
that
little
chunks
of
lead
might
have
gotten
caught
in
the
roughness
on
the
inside
of
the
pipe
and
then
be
laying
there
and
have
the
potential
to
contribute.
Lead.
Copper
doesn't
get
rough
on
the
inside
to
the
point
earlier
it
really.
We
don't
have
a
corrosion
problem
with
copper,
and
so
the
rule
doesn't
require
that
to
be
replaced.
C
So
let
service
line
replacement
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines
is
really
a
community
problem.
I
mean
the
city
of
Des.
Moines
doesn't
own
these
service
lines.
You
know
we
don't
own
them
as
the
Water
Works,
the
homeowners
own
them,
but
it
can
be
a
ten
thousand
dollar
bill
to
replace
the
service
line.
Let's
face
it,
nobody's
saving
money
for
a
shiny,
new
water
service
line
right
most
people
don't
even
think
about
it
unless
it
leaks.
C
One
of
the
things
that
we'd
really
like
to
do
is
approach
this
problem
holistically.
Let's,
let's
look
at
the
whole
problem
and
let's
see
how
we
can
get
all
of
the
service
lines
replaced
over
the
next
15
years
or
so
there
is
federal
funding
available
right
now.
It's
not
nearly
enough
20
000
service
lines,
ten
thousand
dollars
a
piece:
that's
a
200
million
dollar
problem.
C
Just
here
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
funding
that
the
state
of
Iowa
is
going
to
receive
45
million
dollars
over
the
next
five
years
is
just
barely
enough
to
handle
Des,
Moines
and
I
can
assure
you
we're
not
going
to
get
it
all.
So
we
are
going
to
go
after
that
funding,
but
we
also
need
to
look
for
other
ways
to
find
funding,
because
we'd
really
like
to
make
funds
available
for
customers
who
just
can't
afford
it.
C
You
know
who
are
in
a
disadvantaged
situation
or
maybe
they're
the
home
value,
isn't
high
enough
to
support
a
ten
thousand
dollar
repair.
So
that's.
The
first
thing
that
we
want
to
do
is
is
look
for
sources
of
funding.
We
want
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
city
to
do
that,
see
if
we
can
pull
grants
to
the
city
of
Des
Moines
if
we
can
get
as
much
Federal
funding
as
possible
if
we
can
Lobby
for
additional
Federal
funding
to
the
lead
service
line
program
nationally.
C
If
the,
if
the
line
leaks,
yeah
they'll
replace
it
right,
but
what
it
won't
cover
is
a
new
rule
from
the
EPA
that
says
they
all
have
to
be
replaced.
Okay,
the
day
that
rule
passes
they're
not
going
to
replace
all
20
000
of
them
for
us.
Unfortunately,
we've
had
that
conversation
yeah,
okay,
and
that
is
explicitly
excluded
from
the
contract
that
we
have
done,
but
if
it
leaks,
they
replace
it.
So
you
get
rid
of
a
few
of
them
that
way,
but
not
all
so.
Our.
D
C
That's
a
great
question:
I
think
the
state
already
has
the
funding,
but
DNR
is
working
on
a
couple
of
questions.
One
they're.
They
are
defining
disadvantaged
communities
where
the
the
funds
can
be
used
and
they're
literally
going
to
give
us
a
map
of
the
census
tracts
in
Des
Moines
that
will
qualify
for
the
funding
and
then
they're
also
still
working
on
how
they're
going
to
issue
the
funding
they're
going
to
do
it
through
the
srf
program.
C
C
So
it's
our
vision
that
we
would
try
to
collect
this
money
and
create
a
pool.
We
would
actually
issue
a
contract
that
we
would
oversee
and
manage
for
service
lines
to
be
replaced
in
these
areas.
That
DNR
identifies
as
eligible
for
the
federal
funding.
We'd
work
closely
with
the
city
figure
out.
How
are
we
going
to
roll
this
thing
out
through
City
construction
projects,
Des
Moines,
Waterworks
construction
projects,
as
we
start
to
touch
these
things
we
want
to
get
them
replaced.
C
We
don't
want
to
leave
them
in
in
the
ground
anymore,
and
then
we
also
want
to
launch
a
pretty
robust,
joint
PR
campaign
to
help
people
understand
that
hey,
you
have
a
lead
service
line.
A
lot
of
people
don't
even
know
that
they
have
a
lead
service
line.
Even
though
there's
a
map
on
our
website,
we've
talked
about
it
several
times,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
do
know.
C
There's
certainly
people
in
the
community
who
have
the
the
means
to
replace
their
service
line
if
they
find
out
it's
LED,
and
they
may
well
want
to
do
that
and
there's
no
sense
waiting
or
holding
them
up.
So
we
want
to
work
together
through
our
channels
through
your
channels
to
get
all
that
out,
that
information
out
to
the
community.
C
So
here's
kind
of
a
summary
of
what
we're
recommending.
Overall,
we
want
to
work
together
to
try
to
find
this
funding
we're
working
right
now
at
the
DNR
on
the
federal
funding,
but
we
would
like
to
work
with
the
city
to
find
other
sources
of
funding
that
we
can
put
in
this
pot.
That
will
allow
us
to
replace
lead
service
lines.
We
want
to
collaborate
on
that
community
outreach
and
education
facilitating
replacement
in
these
disadvantaged
areas
that
are
identified
by
DNR
and
eligible
for
the
funding,
but
also
encouraging
replacement
city-wide.
C
You
know
there
are
people
who
they
want
to
replace
their
own
service
line
if
they
recognize
that
it's
LED
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
there's
never
going
to
be
enough
funding
to
replace
them
all.
So
some
are
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
by
the
property
owners
and
then
we'd
also
like
to
work
with
the
Council
on
to
consider
possible
policy
Solutions,
and
we
don't
know
what
those
look
like.
But
there
are
different
things
happening
across
the
country.
C
Time
of
transfer
sort
of
requirements
are
happening
in
some
areas
date,
certain
replacement
requirements
where
customers
are
just
given
the
opportunity
to
do
this
over
a
period
of
time,
but
it
has
to
be
done
by
you
know,
five
years
from
now
as
an
example
and
other
things,
that's
really
kind
of
your
realm
that
we'd
really
like
to
work
with
the
Council
on
ideas
there
of
what
could
be
done.
So
that
is
the
presentation.
C
C
That's
right,
you
know
we
do
see
four
flats
that
have
a
lead
service
line,
but
if
you
get
much
bigger
than
that,
usually
they
had
a
two
inch
line
and
two
inch
lines
in
Des.
Moines
were
never
LED,
so
if
you
have
an
8
or
10
or
12
unit
apartment
building,
even
if
it
was
built
before
1940,
which
is
kind
of
the
Vintage
we're
talking
about
here,
chances
are,
it
does
not
have
a
lead
line,
but
smaller
ones
could
yeah.
That's
interesting.
F
So
one
of
the
things
you
sort
of
touched
on
were
some
potential
data
needs
it
could
you
could
you
help
me
understand
that
better
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
sounded
like
a
focus
of
an
education
campaign
might
be,
and
Scott
maybe
you're
going
to
get
to
this,
but
it
was
what
is
in
the
home
or
if
there
have
been
changes
made
and,
and
so
that
would
be,
maybe
a
high
level
data
need
that
there
could
be
some
facilitation
of
right.
We've.
C
We've
worked
with
the
city
a
little
bit
already
on
this
question
of
okay,
there's
there's
a
house:
it
was
built
in
the
20s,
it
has
a
new
tap,
but
does
it
have
a
new
service
line
all
the
way
in
we
don't
know
so
we're
trying
to
find
these.
You
know
Plumbing
data
I,
don't
know
that
that's
available
readily
available.
C
What
we've
heard
is,
it's
probably
you
know
a
micro
film
sort
of
a
search
so
have
service
lines
been
replaced
at
the
addresses
that
we're
aware
of
that
at
one
time
probably
had
a
lead
service
line.
That's
a
data
need,
that's
probably
the
biggest
one
I
can
think
of
right
now
off
the
top
of
my
head.
Were
there
others
that
you
had
in
mind
or
wait.
F
C
That's
something
that
other
cities
around
the
country
have
have
done
is
is
literally
sent
pictures
out.
That
said,
hey
this
is
what
copper
looks
like
coming
into
your
home.
This
is
what
galvanized
pipe
looks
like
coming
into
your
home.
Let
us
know
which
one
you
have
and
then
for
the
people
who
report
they
have
galvanized.
C
H
C
H
C
Don't
think
it
would
help
identify
the
properties,
because
they'd
probably
have
to
ask
us,
you
know:
does
it
have
electric
line
or
maybe
they
could
look
in
the
basement
to
see
if
there's
galvanized
down
there?
Maybe
that
could
be
something
we
require
them
to
look
at
when
the
home
transfers
just
what
kind
of
pipe
is
coming
into
the
house,
so
it
might.
H
C
H
H
H
E
You
will
wear
and
you
would
just
check
the
unknown
box
because
I
as
a
homeowner
wouldn't
have
any
idea.
You
wouldn't
know
whether
it
was
A
lender
is
not
going
to
require
any
kind
of
inspection.
Unless
it's
an
FHA,
a
federally
backed
loan,
then
FHA
would
require
a
FHA
appraiser
to
come
out,
but
he's
just
looking
to
see
that
there's
no
peeling
paint
there's
still
steer
railings
nobody's
looking
at
that,
because
nobody
would
have
that
knowledge.
E
B
Are
you
ready,
I'm,
ready
jump
in
all
right?
Well,
I
appreciate
all
the
questions,
because
it's
helping
us
understand
this
there's
a
lot
of
different
angles
that
we
could
take
on
this
from
the
city.
Obviously,
we've
already
been
collaborating
with
Des
Moines
Water,
Works
and
Polk
County
has
been
at
that
table
as
well
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
unless
I
hear
otherwise,
but
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
lean
forward
with,
with
council's
permission
on
some
of
these
ideas
that
have
been
discussed
this
morning.
B
That
may
include
staff
time
looking
at
our
building
permit
records
to
assist
understanding
if
there's
opportunities
to
share
in
individual
property
requests
that
potentially
would
come
in
with
records
from
either
Waterworks
or
the
city.
Another
effort
that
we've
been
talking
about
is,
as
we
are
in
the
street,
with
CIP
projects
doing
work.
We
may
come
to
you
with
an
opportunity
to
replace
some
of
these
pipes
at
the
same
time
that
we're
doing
work
in
the
street.
B
It
seems
like
they're
doing
that
from
a
Simplicity
or
an
efficiency
standpoint
at
the
state
level,
just
to
say,
okay,
this
census
tract
is
going
to
qualify,
but
these
won't.
Obviously
we
know
that
our
city
has
grown
at
different
times
in
the
location
of
these
high-risk
properties.
Higher
risk
properties
are
throughout
our
entire
community
and
they
will
not
necessarily
fall
in
the
same.
B
B
D
B
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
so
if
we
go
down
the
path
of
the
rental,
one
of
the
things
that
we
believe
we
can
do
is
actually
require
that,
in
order
to
have
a
rental
certificate
at
some
point
in
time,
you
have
to
either
verified
that
you
don't
have
lead
pipe
or
even
the
galvanized
pipe
that
was
Downstream
or
you've
actually
taken
the
time
or
you've
actually
replaced
the
lead
pipe
such
that
it
doesn't
no
longer
exist.
E
Most
likely
affordable
housing
to
spend
ten
thousand
dollars
to
dig
up
their
Street
to
put
in
a
new
line,
because
that's
just
gonna
I
mean
it's
gonna,
raise
rents
and
I.
Think
what
Mr
Corrigan
is
saying
is:
let's
look
at
it
holistically
when
we're
there
digging
up
a
street,
we
could
replace
all
of
them
at
once
and
have
some
sort
of
cost
share,
maybe
with
the
homeowners
but
I
mean
he's
even
said.
If
what
I
heard
at
the
last
council
meeting
was
well,
let's
test
it.
E
B
That
is
an
option.
I
I
don't
want
to
confuse
the
effort
here.
We
agree
the
city
or
at
least
myself
city
manager,
in
discussions
with
the
Water
Works,
that
this
effort
should
be
to
replace
all
lead
pipes.
Eventually,
the
question
is:
how
aggressive
do
we
want
to
do
that?
What
timeline
would
we
want
to
address
it.
I
I
would
say,
for
the
rental
I
think
I'm
in
agreement,
that
I
think
if
you
do
have
a
rental
property,
where
you
earning
money
that
you
should
take
the
responsibility.
If
this
is
our
focus,
is
to
get
rid
of
them,
then
over
a
timeline
I'm,
not
saying
it's
going
to
happen.
You
have
to
do
it
this
year,
but
within
a
timeline
specification
that
you
need
to
replace
those
lines
if
they
are
affordable,
housing
and
the
owner
that
possibly
lives
out
of
state
doesn't
want
to
live
in
Des
Moines.
I
Maybe
they
end
up
putting
it
back
on
the
market
and
it's
being
able
to
be
redone
and
a
person
can
buy
an
affordable
house.
So
as
far
as
a
rental
property,
I
am
I
think
we
do
need
a
timeline
in
some
type
of
ordinance.
That
does
stipulate
that
they
do
need
to
disclose
it
when
they
sell
it.
It
needs
to
be
replaced,
or
whatever
has
to
be
I,
do
think
we
could
do
something
in
the
rental
area.
I.
B
It's
gonna
I
believe
it
may
be
easier
to
utilize
the
rental
certificate
as
the
requirement,
as
opposed
to
the
point
of
sale.
The
point
of
sale
is
going
to
be
more
appropriate
when
we
talk
about
owner
occupied,
and
so,
if
we
focus
on
the
rental,
the
question
of
the
timeline
is
really
again
up
to
the
council.
As
far
as
how
aggressive
to
be
my
recommendation
would
be
five
to
ten,
maybe
eight
years,
understanding
that
that's
a
lot
of
work
that
would
need
to
get
done
if
it's
anything
shorter
than
that
are.
G
C
We
have
to
be
clear,
is
a
list
of
all
of
the
properties
that
have
half
inch
taps
half
inch
connections.
We
believe
that
those
are
99
of
those
have
led.
Okay,
there
are
a
few
where,
if
that
tap
was
replaced
and
they
left
the
galvanized
in
the
ground-
and
we
don't
know
that
there
could
be
a
few-
we
don't
have
a
list
of
those.
G
C
E
I
think
to
like
just
say,
I
think
there
should
be
a
lot
more
discussion.
I
think
we
should
hear
some
landlords.
It
bothers
me
to
hear
some
misconceptions
when
I
hear
you
when
I
hear
council
members
say
well,
the
landlords
live
out
of
state.
There
are
many,
many
landlords
that
live
right
here
in
Des
Moines
that
have
rental
properties
and
to
have
have
it
be
said.
Well,
the
landlords
are
making
money
I
think
if
you'll
visit
with
true
landlords,
not
very
many
landlords,
make
very
much
money.
It's
just
simply.
E
F
So
I
I
have
a
question
because
in
in
your
policy
recommendations
you
said
date
certain
replacement
requirements
and
so
in
the
context
of
the
rental
properties,
I
I
assume
that's
what
you're.
What
you're
talking
about?
What
what
council
member
bozen
suggested,
maybe
over
a
period
of
time,
giving
I
whether
it
be
three
or
four
rental
certificate
Cycles,
so
that
they
have
lead
time.
That's
the
type
of
policy
recommendation
when
you
say
date,
certain
replacement
that
we're
talking
about.
J
C
Occupied
also,
and
so
that's
why
it's
on
the
list
is
because
it's
an
option
that
we've
seen
being
used
in
other
places.
Our
goal
is
to
replace
them
all
and
that's
where
we
want
to
focus
our
efforts
as
replacement
as
opposed
to
testing
or
I.
Don't
know
those
are
probably
the
two
options,
but
but
yeah
we
are
focused
on
getting
them
all
right.
Yeah.
K
Yeah
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that
the
manager
had
asked
us
to
look
into
rental
Authority.
The
comment
just
now
about
the
point
of
sale
for
owner
occupied.
We
have
not
researched
that
we've
actually
been
preempted
by
the
state
with
respect
to
contract
sales
on
point
of
sale
conditions.
So
we'll
have
to
look
at
that
to
see
whether
or
not
that's
even
a
possibility.
I
just
wanted
to
make
draw.
F
I
do
on
the
point
of
sale
question
so,
for
example,
if
we
gave
if
we
said
okay
in
the
next
eight
years,
this
has
to
be
done
and
someone
sold
their
rental
to
another
renter
I
assume
we
could
to
avoid
sort
of
getting
around
an
eight-year
window
or
or
something
along
those
lines.
We
we
could
make
sure
that
if
there
was
point
of
sale
in
between
that
now,
in
that
eight
year
period
for
rental
to
rental,
we
could
we
could
do
something.
B
I
I
would
have
a
lot
of
faith
to
be
honest
with
you,
as
investor
properties,
that
if
we
put
this
in
place,
anybody
buying
single
family
homes
for
investment
purposes
for
rental
is
going
to
require
the
seller
to
to
tell
them
and
notify
them
if
they
have
so
I
have
a
lot
of
faith
that
when
you
have
something
like
this
in
place,
the
smart
investors
are
going
to
make
sure
they
know
when
they're
buying
that
property,
whether
or
not
it's
got
the
lead
lead
pie.
So.
G
Or
what
I
hear
you
guys
saying
is
they
can
go
through
a
couple
cycles
and
still
get
a
certificate,
but
I
would
probably
take
it
a
step
further
and
make
sure
before
we
give
them
another
certificate
they
need
to
test
and
make
sure
that
there's
not
a
problem
in
the
home,
because
if
there
is
they,
they
should
not
get
a
rental
certificate
that
that's
I
mean
I
I
mean.
If
we're
going
to
do
this,
we're
doing
it
for
the
safety
of
these
residents,
I
mean
I.
I,
don't
feel
comfortable.
G
If
we're
going
to
put
a
policy
in
place
to
just
let
it
slide
for
eight
more
years
or
five
to
eight
more
years
and
knowing
that
they're
I
mean
they
should
be
testing
each
each
time
we
we
give
them
a
rental
certificate
if
we're
not
going
to
require
them
to
do
it.
On
the
first
time
you
get
a
rental
certificate
renewal,
so
I
mean
I
is.
Is
that
what
we're
thinking
or
we're
just
we're
just
gonna?
G
B
B
We
could
go
as
far
as
alerting
every
property
that
we're
aware
of
that.
That
may
be
that
may
have
the
lead
pipes.
I
just
think.
That's
going
to
be
a
better
approach
at
this
point.
There's
no
change
in
the
risk
analysis
from
lead
being
in
the
water
okay.
So
we
just
know
it's
a
it's.
Just
not
you
know
the
construction
we
want
to
see
we
want
to.
We
want
to
get
that
replaced,
but
there's
no
there's
been
no
change.
Well,.
B
C
G
H
G
If
we're
going
to
do
this,
then
I
mean
that
that's
the
appropriate
way
I
mean
you
can't
just
keep
giving
you
can't
just
keep
giving
certificates
just
because
we've
set
a
drop
dead
data.
This
is
when
it
needs
to
be
replaced,
we're
doing
it.
If,
if
this
is,
why
we're
doing
it,
it's
for
the
safety
of
the
people
living
there,
then
yeah,
I
I
believe
that
that's
what
we
need
to
do.
G
G
I
mean,
and
they
have
to
produce
a
bottle
of
water.
If
they
don't
do
it
correctly,
that
that's
not
on
us,
we've
asked
them
to
test
I
mean
if
they
don't
go,
get
the
water
before
it
comes
out
and
they
give
you
water
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
I
guess
they
gave
him
water
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
I
mean
there's
not
much.
We
can
do
about.
I
So
if
you
well
that's
well,
that's
I'm,
just
saying
give
us
a
couple
options
to
look
at
what
could
we
think
is
reasonable,
but
still
have
the
same
goal
in
mind.
What
you're
trying
to
do
is
to
get
rid
of
the
lines
that
could
potentially
be
an
issue
and
I.
Think
it's
that's
the
big
thing
we
have
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
water
is
water,
safe
right
now.
Yes,
it's
the
potential
that
we
know
this
could
come
down
the
line
that
it's
the
in
the
best
for
everyone
right,
yes
to
get.
It
changed,
but.
D
H
H
C
We're
continuing
to
research
that
and
we
will
certainly
share
that
with
City
staff.
Other
you
know,
options
that
we
see
the
time
of
transfer
and
the
date.
Certain
are
things
that
we
have
seen,
and
so
that's
that's
why
they
were
on
the
list,
but
I'm
sure
we
will
come
across
other
things
as
this
Federal
funding
rolls
out
and
communities
start
doing
this
across
the
country
and
we'd
be
happy
to
share
that
information
with
staff
and
and
bring
further
proposals
to
the
council.
So.
C
C
C
Don't
know
at
this
time
you
know
yeah,
we
don't
know.
My
guess
frankly,
is
that
they're
going
to
say
we
we
identify
the
census
tracts
and
you
got
to
be
in
there
and
we
can
work
with
them
on
that.
We
can
all
work
with
them
on
that
the
city
and
the
water
works,
but
my
guess
is
they're
going
to
identify
the
areas
and
want
us
to
stay
in
those
areas
with
the
federal
fund.
C
Now
our
goal
is
to
to
gather
other
funds.
You
know
other
grants,
other
programs
to
lobby
for
additional
Federal
funding
and
for
it
to
be
less
restrictive
and
I.
Think
that
we're
going
that's
going
to
happen,
because
this
is
happening
all
over
the
country.
I
think
we'll
see
more
funding,
we're
just
trying
to
get
started
here
and
do
what
we
can
and
with
the
goal
of
replacement,
yeah.