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From YouTube: 01-19-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, January 19, 2022.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
C
B
All
right,
I
will
first
read
the
consent.
Public
hearing
items
number
one:
a
request
from
Boeing
U.S
hold
Co
Inc,
represented
by
Jorge
planta
for
review
and
approval
of
public
hearing
site
plan,
take
five
car
wash
for
property
at
6250,
Southeast
14th
and
for
type
2
design
alternatives
to
allow
a
pub
a
building
setback
of
87
feet
from
the
East
property
line,
where
a
primary
Frontage
billed
to
zone
of
zero
to
five
b
is
required.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
Item
number
two
is
a
request
from
tenfold
Capital
LLC
represented
by
Becky
hio
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
tenfold,
Capital
LLC
site
plan
improvements
for
property
at
1082,
21st
Street
for
type
2
design,
Alternatives
a
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item.
B
Anyone
in
the
public
number
two
will
remain
on
consent
number
three:
it's
a
request
from
4820
Ingersoll
propco
represented
by
John
Manfredi
regarding
property
in
the
vicinity
of
4820
Ingersoll
Ave,
to
amend
plan
DSM,
to
revise
the
future
land,
use
designation
from
medium
density,
residential
to
high
density
residential,
to
allow
development
of
the
property
with
a
density
greater
than
17
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
Number
four
is
a
request
from
Hoyt
LLC
represented
by
Ryan
Wade
regarding
the
vacation
of
an
Alleyway
service
rights
of
way
adjoining
property
in
the
vicinity
of
1601
High
Street
to
allow
trash
enclosure
gates
to
swing
into
the
right-of-way.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item,
anyone
in
the
public
that
will
also
take
number
five
off
and
hear
it
in
the
public
hearing
items
number
six:
a
request
from
LDS
Enterprises
represented
by
Larry
Sprague
for
the
following
property
work
at
4415,
Hubble,
Ave,
A
and
B.
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
wishes
to
hear
this
item?
B
B
B
B
D
You,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Bert
Ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
items
four
and
five
are
interrelated,
but
they
are
two
separate
items.
Item
four
is
for
a
vacation,
a
variety
of
way
which
goes
on
to
city
council
after
tonight's
meeting,
all
right,
whereas
item
five
is
a
site
plan
which
the
commission
is
the
final
decision
maker
on
that.
So
as
long
as
nobody
appeals
the
commission's
decision
on
the
number
five
that
ends
tonight,
so
that's
why
numbers
four
and
five
are
being
considered
separately
so
anyway.
D
Item
number
four
is
a
request
to
vacate
a
95
square
foot
area
of
an
East-West
alley
and
would
allow
for
a
trash
enclosure
to
have
doors
that
swing
into
The.
Alley
I'd
point
out
that
the
right-of-way
would
only
be
leased
to
the
property
owner.
It
would
not
be
sold
and,
as
you'll
see
in
our
conditions,
we're
recommending
that
the
doors
be
doors
be
required
to
remain
closed
anytime.
The
garbage
truck
isn't
there
so
that
the
16
foot
wide
alley
remains
passable.
D
So
the
site
plan
on
item
five
will
actually,
if
you
can
see
the
cursor,
be
for
these
generally,
these
two
Parcels
right
here
and
there
would
be
a
trash
enclosure
on
the
North
West
Corner
that
would
have
Gates
that
swing
into
the
right
of
way.
So
here's
a
photo
looking
West
down
that
alley.
Right-Of-Way
this
alley
right-of-way,
would
be
paved
as
part
of
the
site
plan.
Again,
that's
in
item
number.
Five
here
is
a
just
a
rough
layout
of
where
the
trash
enclosure
is
in
relation
to
the
proposed
building.
D
This
brown
area
represents
where
the
building
is,
and
then
the
trash
enclosure
is
right
here
at
the
North
West
corner
of
the
building.
It
would
just
be
the
gates
that
would
swing
into
the
right-of-way
and
in
order
to
have
Gates
That,
Swing
or
doors
that
swing
into
public
right-of-way,
you
need
to
have
a
lease
from
the
city's
real
estate
division.
So
here's
a
elevation
of
that
building
that
would
be
constructed
immediately
south
of
the
alley
right
here
where
the
cursor
is.
D
This
is
that
trash
enclosure
that
would
have
Gates
that
swing
into
the
right-of-way,
and
then
this
is
a
floor
plan
from
that
building
and
again
here
is
the
trash
enclosure
here
at
the
northwest
corner.
That
would
be
constructed
right
up
to
the
property
line
and
those
are
the
gates.
So
just
and
our
staff
recommendation.
We
are
supportive
of
the
request.
We've
just
recommended
three
conditions,
one
that
they
receive
Reserve
any
easements
for
any
existing
utilities,
that's
just
a
standard
condition,
but
then
the
other
two
conditions
are
really
specific
to
this
situation.
D
We've
said
that
the
requested
vacation
shall
be
leased
not
conveyed
to
the
applicant
and
that's
to
ensure
that
the
alley
does
remain
open
to
vehicular
traffic
and
then
the
third
condition
is
any
future
door
swing.
Easement
shall
note
that
the
enclosure
doors
are
to
remain
closed,
except
during
trash
pickup.
D
I
can
come
back
to
this,
but
this
is
the
sketch
that
the
neighbor
provided
there's
a
garage
immediately
to
the
north
that
backs
out
into
the
right-of-way.
So
their
concern
is
that
the
by
vacating,
this
right-of-way
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
back
out
of
their
garage
safely.
But
it's
staff's
belief
that
the
conditions
we're
recommending
should
ensure
that
there
is
still
room
to
back
out
of
the
garage
and
for
traffic
to
pass
through
on
the
right-of-way.
B
E
Hello,
my
name
is
Mike
Welch
I'm,
with
Welch
design
and
development
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I'm
Ryan
Wade
I'm.
Also,
the
architect
is
here
as
well
as
a
construction
manager.
If
there's
additional
need
for
those
questions,
my
address
is
North
Liberty,
Iowa
Center.
If
you
need
that
actual
street
address
or
not.
As
far
as
the
item
number
for
the
alley
vacation.
E
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
think
you
kind
of
outlined
everything
pretty
well
a
comments.
I
would
like
to
make
is
again
kind
of
reiterate
that
it's
a
an
easement
in
the
alley
we're
not
actually
taking
any
of
the
alley
away.
As
part
of
that,
we
are
repaving
the
alley
where
it's
not
really
paved
now,
and
it's
gravel
about
9
to
11
feet
wide
we'd
be
coming
back
in
with
full
concrete
pavement.
E
We're
proposing
14
feet
of
Paving
in
the
16
foot
wide
alley
right
away,
that
opening
for
the
gates
would
be
a
keyed,
a
locked,
lock
gate
and
the
property
manager
and
the
trash
collection
company
would
be
the
only
people
with
the
key
to
those
Gates.
The
users
of
the
trash,
the
the
building
occupants
would
access
the
trash
enclosure
through
a
pedestrian
access.
That's
shown
kind
of
on
the
south
side
of
that
trash
enclosure.
In
that
southwest
corner.
You
can
kind
of
see
it
in
that
picture.
That's
up
there
right
now.
E
There's
a
gap
in
the
wall
on
the
west
side
of
the
trash
enclosure,
so
I
think
in
our
opinion,
that
kind
of
ensures
that
the
gate
stays
closed
when
it's
not
in
use
and
that
it
would
alleviate
those
concerns
for
anyone
trying
to
use
the
alley
that
the
gate
would
be
open
inadvertently.
You
know
during
a
time
when
trash
isn't
being
collected-
and
you
know
I-
think
the
other
things
that
we
would
look
at.
There
too,
is
just
that
that
alley
remains
intact
for
for
access
on
the
the
edge
of
Paving.
E
E
In
the
alley,
the
driver
would
get
out
open
the
gates
and
manly
roll
the
trash
enclosure
or
the
trash
container
into
the
alley,
and
then
probably
move
the
truck
back
forward
to
pick
it
up
on
the
forks
they
dump
it
set
it
down
and
put
it
back,
and
then
that
one
would
leave,
then,
presumably
the
recycling
truck
would
come
either
same
day
or
a
different
day.
Thank.
F
H
E
That
yeah,
we
would
most
likely
have
a
Bollard
on
each
Corner
right
now.
The
the
face
of
the
trash
enclosure
is
actually
eight
inches
off
that
right
away
line.
That
Bollard
is
typically
four
to
six
inches,
so
that
would
sit
kind
of
right
at
the
face
of
the
bottle
to
be
right
at
the
right
away
line
and.
B
B
I
Oh
thank
you
for
having
me
here.
I
am
Josh
bogus
6
14
16th
Street
in
illustration.
Up
there
I'm
opposed
to
this,
as
my
garage
back
is
directly
across
from
the
enclosure
there
I'm,
making
it
difficult
to
get
in
and
out
for.
One
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
I've
been
here.
I
do
think
that
the
property
and
the
zero
setback
will
direct
the
not
only
impact
my
ability
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
of
our
property,
even
with
a
mid-sized
vehicle,
with
a
reduction
of
the
zero
setback.
I
I
think
will
make
it
very
challenging
as
well
for
traffic
to
use
it
the
alley
going:
multiple
directions,
especially
in
a
busy
alley,
with
lots
of
people
walking
in
and
out
of
that
alley
as
well
within
the
neighborhood,
whether
it's
going
to
the
multiple
establishments
inside
of
there
and
by
not
having
that
setback.
I
think
it
will
continue
to
make
it
difficult
in
their
winter
time,
as
with
snow
in
other
pieces,
just
harder
for
cars
to
move
around
in
it.
I
think.
I
Another
thing
to
call
out
here
is
that
there
is
the
property
owner,
owns
all
the
property
adjacent
to
that
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
with
being
new
construction
gives
the
opportunity
to
find
other
areas
to
place
the
trash
enclosure
here,
which
didn't
wasn't
really
addressed
inside
of
there,
as
it
was
only
addressing
the
easement,
not
the
rest
of
the
property.
That's
available
to
place
that
enclosure
in
there
are
a
couple
of
the
big
concerns
here.
I
have
an
adjacent
neighbor
as
well.
That
has
that
we
share
up
property.
I
I
So
those
are
my
biggest
concerns
that
we
see
inside
of
here
of
having
that
there
is
really
just
people's
safety
is
probably
one
of
the
biggest
ones
as
with
big
row
Brewery
there
with
all
the
shows
that
are
happening
at
Hoyt,
Sherman
and
even
Carl's
Place
next
door.
There's
a
lot
of
people
walking
through
there
at
any
given
time
and
just
the
more
narrow
that
you
make
that
the
more
risk
that
people
could
get
injured
as
well.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
J
J
This
is
an
area
with
increased
density
and
increased
traffic,
and
the
the
Proviso
were
conditioned
that
the
the
property
owners
are
protected
because
there's
a
rule
that
the
gates
should
be
closed
in
our
view
is
inadequate,
don't
know
if
you've
been
around
any
alleys
in
Des
Moines
or
in
Sherman
Hill.
Lately,
a
lot
of
rules
are
being
broken
there
and
I
do
think
this
is
going
to
be.
J
B
K
Hi
Angie
fonku
I'm,
the
owners
rep
for
hoyt
LLC,
just
a
couple
things.
The
trash
enclosure
is
probably
one
of
the
first
that
is
going
in
this
neighborhood
because
it
is
a
city
directed
item,
and
so
we
have
to
build
them
a
certain
way
with
the
gates
and
concrete
and
all
the
things
that
we
all
like
to
spend
money
on.
K
So
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
the
alleys
in
the
Sherman
Hill
area
do
have
dumpsters,
not
these
full
enclosures,
so
we
are
capable
of
locking
them
because
it
is
a
full
enclosure
and
with
the
main
door,
where
our
tenants
are
going
to
put
the
trash.
It
really
should
only
be
the
garbage
truck
that
is
back
there
in
the
recycling
truck
that
is
going
there.
K
The
other
thing
was
the
alley.
Width
is
not
going
to
change
it's
just
up
to
the
setback
and
all
of
our
in
this
item
and
the
next
item.
All
of
our
things
are
saying
on
our
property.
We
just
need
that
extra
area,
so
we're
not
changing
the
width
of
the
alley
at
all
and
then
just
finally,
none
of
our
tenants
will
be
using
that.
So
as
far
as
added
traffic
because
of
pedestrians-
and
you
know
it
is
a
very
walkable
Community-
we
will
not
have
tenants
using
that
alley.
K
They
will
park
in
the
parking
garage
on
the
front
side
on
High
Street,
so
we're
not
increasing
traffic
with
vehicles
through
there.
It
is
purely
just
the
garbage
truck
and
I
do
think
us
Paving
that
14
feet
of
the
alley
will
make
kind
of
a
delineation
and
make
it
clear,
possibly
safer
for
pedestrians,
because
they
will
see
where
the
alley
actually
is
and
where
to
walk.
So
I
think
that
covered
everything
you
guys
have
any
questions
or.
L
K
Yes,
so
this
site
plan
it's
actually
a
separate
owner,
it's
a
the
owner
is
the
same
separate
partnership.
So
there's
other
people
involved
in
the
next
parcel,
so
per
City
to
get
our
plans
in
and
to
get
a
building
permit.
We
had
to
have
a
trash
enclosure
on
this
site,
so
we
couldn't
push
it
to
the
Future
site,
so
we
did
have
to
have
it
since
the
site
plan
is
being
brought
in
and
the
building
permit
is
being
asked
for
for
this
site
only.
K
We
do
not
know
what
we
have
planned
yet
for
the
site
next
door.
We
explored
a
couple
things
and
it
didn't
work
out
financially.
So,
yes,
that
is
a
city
requirement
that
we
have
a
trash
enclosure
to
bring
the
site
plan
through.
So
we
can't
combine
it
with
the
next
parcel.
Thank
you.
If
that
was
on
my
list,.
M
B
G
C
Well,
it'd
be
an
enforcement
action
through
the
easement,
so
the
easement
would
have
this
requirement
and
we
could
take
legal
action
because
we
would
still
own
the
land.
So
we
would
granted
easement
with
these
requirements
and
we
could
revoke
it
or
we
don't
know
that
it
would
be
a
it's
not
really
like
a
citation
like
breaking
a
it's
more
of
a
property
ownership,
a
legal
battle,
not
a
citation
a
city
code.
B
C
H
A
B
D
Me
all
right,
Madam,
the
chair
members
of
the
commission
item
five
is
for
the
site
plan
for
that
property
immediately
to
the
south
of
this
right-of-way
they're
wanting
to
develop
a
multi-family
Residential
Building
on
that
property.
That
would
require
two
design
Alternatives,
one
of
those
being
a
an
appeal
of
that
setback
from
that
alley.
D
Again,
the
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
High
Street,
just
west
of
16th
Street.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
site
taken
I
believe
yesterday
before
the
snow,
and
this
is
looking
East
down
that
alley.
We
were
just
talking
about
and
then
another
angle
from
16th
Street,
looking
Southwest
across
the
site.
D
So
here's
the
site
plan,
I'll
zoom
in
and
I'll,
have
I'll
show
you
the
renderings
for
the
building
in
a
little
bit
as
well,
but
the
first
appeal
is
for
a
reduction
of
the
required
setback
from
this
North
property
line.
The
requirement
is
for
five
feet:
they're
wanting
to
in
construct
the
stairwell
here
right
up
to
the
property
line
and
this
dumpster
enclosure
right
up
to
the
property
line.
Then
the
balance
of
the
building,
roughly
75
percent,
would
be
set
back
three
and
a
half
feet
from
the
property
line.
Again.
D
The
other
appeal
is
to
allow
this
driveway
here
on
High
Street
is
considered
a
primary
Frontage.
Our
design
ordinance
doesn't
allow
for
overhead
garage
doors
to
be
located
on
the
primary
Frontage,
so
they're
needing
an
appeal
of
that
as
I'll
show
you
in
a
little
bit,
the
building
gets
set
back
10
feet
from
that
property
line,
so
we
do
believe
that
it
would
be
safe
for
vehicles
to
pull
out
there's
about
10
feet
before
the
nose
of
the
car
gets
to
the
sidewalk.
D
D
D
Just
be
adding
the
street
trees,
since
the
building
in
the
dumpster
enclosure
would
comprise
the
majority
of
the
site
minus
this
building
setback
area
along
16th
and
High
Street,
and
then
these
are
the
renderings
again.
This
is
the
High
Street
facade
here
on
the
south,
and
then
this
is
the
16th
Street
facade
on
the
East
that
overhead
door
that
needs
the
design
alternative
is
located
right
here
again,
there's
10
feet
of
setback
between
that
overhead
door
and
the
property
line.
D
Let's
go
through
a
few,
more
renderings
they
provided
and
and
I
guess.
This
drawing
here
shows
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
needed
to
put
the
overhead
door
on
this
facade.
You
can
see
from
the
topography
that,
in
order
to
have
parking
within
the
first
floor
of
the
building,
they
needed
to
have
the
door
here,
because
if
they
would
put
it
on
the
North
side
that
they
would
need
to
build
a
ramp
down
into
the
basement,
which
would
reduce
the
amount
of
units
they
could
have
in
the
building.
D
I
can
come
back
to
any
of
these
if
you
need
it.
This
here
is
the
floor
plan
of
the
lower
level
of
the
building
they're
providing
43
parking
spaces
in
the
building
that
would
serve
the
multi-family
building
that
contains
47
dwelling
units.
So
it's
a
ratio
of
about
0.91
parking
spaces
per
dwelling
unit.
D
They
do
have
a
biking
parking
area
back
here
for
11,
bikes
and
again
the
door
to
the
office
tree
or
indoor
parking
would
be
located
here
at
the
southwest
corner
and
there'd
be
a
drive,
internal
drive
access
drive
through
the
building
that
way,
and
then,
if
you
look
up
here
at
the
northwest
corner,
that's
where
the
dumpster
enclosure
would
be,
and
then
this
is
the
first
floor.
I'll
just
show
you
this
again.
D
I
can
let
the
applicant
make
their
case,
but
you
can
imagine
that
by
sliding
the
stairs
in
this
dumpster
five
feet
to
the
South,
one
of
two
things
needs
to
happen.
One
they
would
need
to.
You
know,
lose
a
area
possibly
hold
dwelling
units
on
the
first
second
or
the
birth
three
floors
of
the
building,
or
they
would
need
to
slide
the
entire
building
to
the
South,
which
then
reduces
the
setback
along
High
Street,
which
you
know
has
consequences
for
having
that
Overhead
Door
accessed
directly
from
High
Street.
D
This
is
the
floor
plan
for
the
rest
of
building
and
the
roof
plan.
They
are
screening
all
of
the
rooftop
Mechanicals,
and
so
in
the
staff
report.
We
did
recommend
approval
of
the
design
alternative,
subjecting
clients
with
all
administrative
review
comments
and
now
I'll
go
through
the
consent
map.
We
didn't
receive
any
cards,
but
we
did
receive
that
same
email.
N
D
E
Hello,
Mike
Welch
well
since
I'm
development,
so
yeah
and
then
again,
staff's
presentation
did
a
good
job
of
of
covering
kind
of
the
reasons
why
we're
at
I
guess
a
couple
things
I'd
like
to
point
out.
We
actually
do
have
44
stalls
in
the
building,
so
we're
only
a
reduction
of
three
stalls,
it's
kind
of
where
it
ended
up
as
far
as
as
justification
or
a
rationale
for
the
the
entrance
in
the
southwest
corner,
just
kind
of
reiterate
a
couple
things.
The
alley
sits
about
11
feet.
E
Higher
than
High
Street
does
elevation
wise.
So
again,
as
we
were
looking
at
this
site
and
this
building
and
finding
a
way
to
to
most
efficiently
access
the
building
that
entrance
on
High
Street
really
really
was
the
the
most
efficient
way
to
do
that,
both
from
number
of
units
and
and
safety
coming
out.
E
You
know
a
lot
of
that
that
stair,
Tower
location
is
really
driven
by
building
code
criteria
for
Ingress
and
egress
from
the
building.
The
other
stair
Tower
is
in
the
the
southeast
corner
of
the
building
kind
of
right.
If
you
come
in
that
Lobby
space,
so
this
their
Tower
needs
to
be
back
on
that
north
side
and
then
in
that
northwest
corner
puts
at
the
other
end
of
the
corridor.
That's
in
the
building
there,
and
likewise
too,
we've
pushed
that
that
stair
Tower
to
the
West
Side.
E
Racks
provided
outside
of
the
building
plus
bike
racks
in
the
building
for
the
tenants
to
kind
of
accommodate
those
three
stalls
that
were
short.
We
know
that,
but
not
every
every
tenant
will
need
a
car
or
want
to
have
a
car
being
this
close
to
downtown
and
some
other
other
things,
and
we
think
that's
in
line
with
the
you
know
the
the
goals
of
of
encouraging
walkability
and
providing
that
for
people
who
are
looking
for
that.
They
happen
to
answer
any
any
questions
that
there
are
any.
G
E
E
As
you
are
exiting
that
that
ramp,
so
the
exit
is
here
and
there's
parking
here
so
you'll
be
making
a
90
degree
turn
when
you
come
around
to
exit
the
building.
So
I
think
that
you'll
be
going
slow
because
you've
just
made
that
that
turn
to
get
to
the
door.
And
then,
as
as
was
mentioned,
the
sidewalk
is
about
10
feet
away
from
the
building.
G
E
Yes
sure,
let's
see
if
I
can
get
back
back
to
that
one
of
the
things
that
is
in
there
is
we
do
have
it's
kind
of
in
this
purple
here,
there's
a
vision
triangle:
that's
allowed,
so
there's
no
Landscaping
in
there.
So
as
you're
bringing
your
car
out
of
the
garage
you
build
kind
of
sea
to
your
left
and
right,
there's
no
landscaping
or
other
obstructions
allowed
to
make
that
as
again
as
as
safe
as
possible.
G
E
E
G
E
M
K
K
P
E
K
B
Q
Better
I'm
philanamus
I
live
at
1614
Woodland,
just
north
of
the
building
that
we're
talking
about
right
now,
just
to
the
yeah
just
to
the
West
that
would
be
of
the
property
of
the
owner.
That
was
just
speaking.
I
just
wanted
to
share
my
post
opposition
to
the
bullet.
A
bullet
B,
we're
we're
comfortable
with
I
mean
that's
real
and
bullet
a
is
the
one
with
the
setback
of
the
five
feet.
This
really
gets
to
the
width
of
the
alley
in
that
high
traffic
alley,
we've
got
Carl's
Place
there
we've
got
big
girl.
Q
We've
got
quite
Sherman
that
our
half
shows
and
there's
a
lot
of
traffic.
That's
happening
there,
the
width
of
that
alley.
What
we
all
will
be
with
well,
it
will
be
being
paved
as
you
can
see
in
these
pictures,
the
measurements
that
I
did
are
it's.
Currently,
people
are
driving
much
wider
than
what
will
be
paved,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
very
tight.
There's
going
to
be
people
walking
and
I
think
there's
public
safety
issues
there
that
we
need
to
be
thoughtful
of
I'm,
also
concerned
about.
Q
There's
going
to
be
people
driving
into
our
property,
there
there's
going
to
be
the
building,
because
there's
no
setback
to
be
very
tight
on
this
on
the
south
side,
and
so
I
want
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
the
property
that
we
do
own
and
the
setbacks
that
we've
met
and
be
be
fair
about
that
this
is
a
brand
new
property.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
completely
empty
lot.
This
is
brand
new
construction.
Q
Q
Q
I'll,
throw
out
is
the
research
that
I
was
doing
within
the
the
guidelines
within
the
city
was
incredibly
clear
on
the
expected
width
of
alleys
within
the
city,
but
some
of
what
I
found
was
that
20
feet
is
what
is
expected
for
two-way
alleys.
I'm,
not
sure
that
was
extremely
clear
to
me,
but
even
what
we've
talked
about
today
is
less
than
that.
I
think
it's
16
feet,
I
hear
I've
seen
different
things
in
writing.
Honestly,
it's
between
13
and
16
feet.
J
J
I
would
also
point
out
that
there's
some
discussion
about
credits
that
were
applied
for
you
know
we
have
had
some
good
discussions
with
this
owner.
We
wrote
a
letter
of
support
for
the
project,
but
I
would
note
that
the
project
substantially
changed
since
our
letter
of
support
in
it's
unfortunate.
We
haven't
had
a
lot
of
detailed
discussions
about
these
items,
but
as
I
say,
we
do
oppose
item
5A
thanks.
K
K
All
the
way
across
there's
still
three
and
a
half
feet,
so
it
will
feel
better
through
there
and
the
14
feet
that
we've
agreed
to
pave
that's
a
discussion
with
the
city
so
that
utilities
can
connect
in
and
we're
not
in
neighboring
properties
as
we're
Paving
that
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
came
up
with,
and
currently
the
paving
varies
from
9
to
11
feet
in
that
alley.
What
we
can
deter
reminisce
Paving
anyway
in
the
alley.
So
that's
all
I
appreciate
all
the
comments.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions,
has.
C
And
I
think
the
the
other
thing
for
to
note
is
that
this
is
an
existing
alley.
Alleys,
historically
we're
16
feet
wide.
That
standard
is
really
there
to
facilitate
if
we
had
new
development
that
wanted
to
have
allergies
to
plan
ahead,
but
we're
not
gonna
use
that
to
go
in
and
alleys
across
town.
Most
alleys
in
the
city
are
only
16
feet
wide.
H
D
E
D
G
If
I
sense
that
one
of
the
concerns
is
this
is
used
as
a
cut
through
and
we'll
use
be
used
more
as
a
cut
through.
If
it's
paved,
so
I
would
think
you'd
want
to
have
it
narrower
and
so
that
people
would
go
slower
versus
wider
and
people
going
faster
and
making
it
less
encouraging
for
people
to
go
through.
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
Speed
humps,
maybe
to
discourage
through
traffic
yeah.
D
G
D
G
S
D
S
K
Yep
I
understand
that
that
so
those
both
of
those
stairwells
there
are
purely
for
egress
and
code
base.
We're
going
to
try
to
keep
everybody
in
the
front
of
the
building
where
those
are
just
to
be
concrete
steps.
Nothing
fancy,
not
an
area
you're
going
to
want
to
be
in
very
often
only
as
an
emergency
to
get
out.
If
there
should
be
an
issue
in
the
building
that
will
have
a
key
card
on
it.
I
don't
anticipate.
A
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
in
that
back
alley
using
that.
K
So
we
and
that's
something
we
can
direct
the
tenants
to
that
hey
the
front
of
the
building
is
where
you
need
to
enter
and
exit,
and
you
know
do
all
your
things
whether
it's
running
groceries
up
or
doing
whatever,
but
we
will
try
to
keep
them
out
of
there
and
it
is
just
a
path
to
get
out
more
than
more
than
anything.
We
would
love
to
have
not
had
that
stairwell,
so
I,
don't
think
the
tenants
are
going
to
use
it
much.
H
I
would
just
offer
that
the
I'm
all
for
advocating
to
especially
when
blanks
blank
sites
and
things
like
that
meet
the
intent
of
the
code
meet
the
code
work
within
that,
like
the
neighborhoods
kind
of
requested.
However,
in
these
circumstances
it
seems
like
the
solutions
that
are
offered
are:
are
workable,
feasible.
H
You
know
this
section
or
this
particular
zoning
district
has
a
setback
on
the
Alley,
but
many
don't
and
they
work.
Fine
and
the
cars
go
through
and
Gates
like
this
swing
and
aren't
required
to
be
locked.
The
East
Village
has
lots
of
them
and
it
works.
Fine
they've
been
built
new.
You
know
all
these
things
have
happened
so
I
wouldn't
say
it's
not
that
these
conditions
aren't
present
in
the
city
they're,
just
not
in
this
zoning
district
and
I
think
this
zoning
district
is
set
up
this
way,
probably
to
more
reflect
the
context.
H
That's
in
maybe
I,
don't
know,
I'm
speculating
a
little
bit
so
anyway,
I
think
the
functional
requirements
as
the
city's
City
staff
is
has
described.
You
know
the
cars
are
going
to
be
able
to
back
out
cards
to
be
able
to
move
through
the
alleys
I.
Think,
generally
speaking
to
you
know,
we
should
be
driving
car
traffic
to
alleys
and
pedestrian
traffic
to
sidewalks
so
trying
to
provide
for
pedestrians
to
be
safe
in
alleys.
H
We
don't
want
them
going
there.
We
want
the
cars
there,
so
we
need
to
kind
of
let
this
play
out
and
I
think
that
they're
doing
it,
okay,
the
the
door
to
High
Street
the
overhead
door
to
High
Street,
isn't
like
the
best
for
that
condition,
but
for
this
site
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
solution.
It
would
have.
H
B
P
M
You,
madam
chairs,
planning
staff
I'll
be
presenting
item
number
six,
which
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
at
4415,
Hubble
Avenue.
The
specific
reasoning
request
is
to
change
the
use
of
the
property
to
allow
an
auto
body
shop
which
Falls
within
the
vehicle,
sales
and
service
and
maintenance
major
use
category,
and
so
a
rezoning
is
required
from
MX3
to
CX
to
be
able
to
allow
the
proposed
use.
M
So
this
is
the
subject
property.
It's
on
Hubble,
Avenue,
kind
of
north
east
side
of
town.
You
can
see
the
Corridor
Hubble
Avenue
Corridor
is
a
mix
of
higher
intensity
commercial
uses,
a
lot
of
the
properties
and
the
general
vicinity
are
zoned
MX3.
There's
a
variety
of
retail
commercial
office,
warehouse
type
users
in
the
general
area.
The
subject
property
is
just
to
the
north
of
low
density
residential.
So
just
to
the
South,
you
can
see
there's
one
in
two
family
residential
developments.
So
that's
just
to
give
you
a
context.
M
This
is
the
existing
building.
The
existing
building
has
a
commercial
use
with
some
accessory
storage.
There's
a
parking
lot
to
the
front.
There's
a
big
row
of
trees,
as
you
can
see
behind
it
that
separates
it
from
the
residential
area
kind
of
provides
a
buffer
from
the
residential
area
to
the
South.
This
is
looking
to
the
to
the
West
so
again,
just
to
give
you
an
idea
about
the
general
Corridor
and
the
users
along
it,
and
this
is
looking
East.
M
M
It's
just
a
proposal
that
the
applicant
thinks
Could
Happen
outside
of
that
there's
no
other
changes
to
the
building
from
outside
in
terms
of
changing
any
openings
and
that
kind
of
thing
there's
parking
to
the
front
as
the
existing
parking
to
the
front
as
you
saw.
So
that
is
just
a
very
conceptual
sketch
of
potentially
what
could
happen
on
the
site.
M
So
staff
has
reviewed
this
request.
The
the
land
use
designation,
the
future
land
use
designation
for
this
area,
and
generally
the
corridor
is
a
community
mixed
use,
which
is
a
small
to
medium
scale.
Mixed-Use
development
located
on
major
corridors,
Transit
corridors
or
at
Major
intersections
and
so
on.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
I
made
a
correction
here
in
the
staff
report
that
was
provided
to
you.
The
definition
right
here
was
that
of
neighborhood
mixed
use,
so
that
has
been
updated
to
community
and
mixed
use.
M
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
so
the
proposed
rezoning
to
CX
District
confirms
to
the
the
the
future
land
use
designation
of
community
mixed
use,
so
staff
believes
that
this
proposed
zoning
district
and
the
use
would
be
consistent
with
the
land
use
designation.
It
would
also
be
consistent
generally
with
the
character
of
the
Hubble
Avenue
Corridor,
as
well
as
general
users
in
the
vicinity.
So
with
that
staff
is
supportive
of
this
request.
M
I
will
note
that,
once
the
rezoning
goes
through,
the
applicant
will
be
required
to
do
site
improvements
based
on
an
approved
site
plan.
So
all
of
those
will
all
of
those
steps
will
have
to
be
met
additionally
for
any
any
such
use
within
the
CX
District.
Some
supplemental
regulations
apply
and
those
supplemental
regulations
are
listed
right
here.
If
you
can
see
my
cursor
so
that
addresses
some
of
the
issues
of
outdoor
storage,
parking,
long-term
storage,
outdoor
storage
of
junk
debris
and
also
that
all
repairs
and
so
on
are
are
to
be
done
inside
the
building.
M
So
those
supplemental
regulations
apply
to
this
particular
use
in
the
CX
District.
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
rezoning,
the
applicant
conducted
a
neighborhood
meeting,
as
is
required
through
the
rezoning
process.
I
believe
it
was
scheduled
on
January
11th.
None
of
the
neighbors
were
in
attendance
so
and
neither
was
any
written
comments
submitted.
M
M
M
A
Okay
thanks
a
lot.
I
am
looking
at
these
requirements
of
the
supplemental
use,
regulations
and
I
count.
One
two,
three
four
five,
six
and
all
of
these
regulations
are
are
excellent
and
there
are
a
lot
of
them.
You
know
we
have
a
problem
in
Des
Moines
in
repair
shops
that
don't
maintain
their
property.
I
could
cite
chapter
and
verse,
okay
and
Mike.
A
A
A
lot
of
regulations
here-
and
you
know
the
city
is
stressed
for
enforcement
and
once
something
goes
wrong,
it's
very
hard
to
make
it
right
again.
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
kind
of
confidence
do
you
have
that
that
if
something
does
go
wrong
on
this
property,
that
enforcement
actually
is
going
to
be
applied
and
successful.
C
The
enforcement
and
is
always
a
tricky
situation,
and,
and
some
of
it
can
be
muddy
because
you're
dealing
with
a
site
that
maybe
has
legal
non-conforming
status,
maybe
maybe
you're,
may
or
may
not
have
a
site
plan
on
record
just
because
of
how
long
the
property
has
been
occupied.
You
know
with
grandfather
rights.
C
I
do
think
it's
a
better
situation,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
can
predict
what
may
or
may
not
occur
from
an
enforcement
perspective
and
whether
or
not
we
would
be
successful
and
nip
in
it
any
bad
behavior
in
the
butt.
So
I
don't
know.
If
that
helps
answer
your
question
will
or
not,
but
that's
that's
my
best
Step
at
it.
F
You
know
Jason
I
have
the
same
concerns
regarding
the
enforcement
too
in
Northwest
Des
Moines.
There
are
two
of
repair
shops
that
when
you
go
down
and
look
at
the
standards
they
it's
not
enforced,
I've
seen
and
one
was
a
change
of
ownership
in
the
last
few
years.
So
I
know
that
one
is
not
grandfather
dead,
but
the
weather,
the
grandfather
didn't
or
not,
I
think
it's
a
the
grantees
without
its
strong
enforcement
I
think
is
doing
a
Mis
service
to
our
community.
F
The
perfect
example
is
72
hours,
I've
gone
because
I
drive
past
them
several
times
a
day.
I
can
see
the
same
cars
more
than
three
days,
I
see
more
than
three
cars
outside
at
a
per
Bay
I've
seen
one
of
them
and
it
was
actually
taking
engines
out
of
the
outside
with
a
hoist
and
doing
repair
work
which
is
not
allowed.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
stricter
on
this
and
we
shouldn't
be
loosey-goosey
about
granting
these
requests,
especially
when
people
they
come
here
and
say
a
lot
of
things.
F
H
F
T
P
N
B
U
Do
Wally
pelts,
Peltz,
Design,
Services,
2323,
Dixon,
Street,
Des,
Moines,
Iowa,
50316.
I'm,
here
instead
of
Daniel
willrik,
whom
you've
met,
he
is
supposed
to
present
this
so
I
apologize
for
a
site
plan
that
was
drawn
by
an
architect.
A
civil
engineer
would
have
done
better
with
that.
It's
a
conceptual
plan.
U
We're
asking
for
a
reason
strictly
for
a
paint,
booth
and
I
understand
the
sentiment.
I
our
office
is
on
2323
Dixon
I
drive
Hubble
all
the
time.
I
know
exactly
what
you're
talking
about.
If
you,
if
you
guys
want
to
jump
in
my
truck
with
your
Enforcement
office,
we'll
go
out
and
point
everyone
out
who
is
in
non-compliance,
however,
I
represent
a
client
who's
been
operating
and
we're
looking
to
add
a
paint
booth
internal
to
the
building.
That
is
what's
triggering
it.
We've
done
it
per
code,
we're
following
the
rules.
U
Our
architectural
team
came
to
the
city
and
said
hey
when
you
want
to
do
a
paint
booth
in
this
building
and
it
triggered
the
zoning
change
which
made
it
complicated.
So
that's
our
first
step
that
white
we're
here
before
we
do
anything
else.
We're
here
to
do
a
zoning
change,
so
we
can
be
compliant
the
MX3.
U
As
you
know,
if
you
remember,
we
went
through
that
whole
ordeal
with
Porter
Hardware
with
it
just
doesn't
kind
of
fit
it's
kind
of
a
goofy,
the
the
overlay
that
was
done
there
I,
don't
know
it
was
I,
don't
know
how
staff
would
have
figured
it
out,
because
there's
a
hodgepodge
of
everything
along
Hubble
right,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
these
things
as
they
come
up.
That's
what
we're
asking
for
literally
there's
no
change
to
the
outside
of
the
building.
U
G
G
O
O
My
name
is
Tom
Hudson
6365
Northeast,
8th
Court
in
Des
Moines
I
represent
the
buyer
of
the
property.
The
the
property,
as
we
understand
most
recently,
has
been
used.
It
is
leased
out
to
tenants
one
half
of
the
building
was
occupied
for
some
time
as
a
church
is
now
vacant.
The
other
part
of
the
building
was
occupied
by
a
painting
contractor
who's
been
there
for
I
think
in
excess
of
15
years.
So
there's
no
commercial
office
space
there
that
that
would
be
a
the
reference
there
on
that
paragraph
is
incorrect.
U
C
G
G
G
U
P
S
O
S
O
O
O
U
C
S
C
A
Oh
Madam
chair,
it's
will
page
here.
There
was
a
very
interesting
conversation
about
the
how
the
property,
the
ownership
of
the
property,
the
use
of
the
property,
the
function
of
the
property,
a
very
complex
situation,
none
of
this
boots
well
for
me
in
terms
of
how
one
could
control
or
enforce
this
kind
of
auto
repair
business.
I'm
really
concerned
about
that,
for
the
reasons
that
people
have
already
voiced
on
the
commission,
so
I.
B
B
S
For
staff,
so
it's
pretty
typical
when
purchase
our
purchases
of
land
that
they
will
come
and
see
if
they
can
get
approval
and
then
that
contract
will
go
through
of
the
purchase
that
that's
that's
typical,
that's
actually
pretty
normal,
so
that
the
ownership
confusion
doesn't
bother
me
staff,
I,
guess!
My
question
is:
is
this
typical
for
Hubble
Avenue?
Do
we
see
any
other
repair?
Well,
not
repair
shops,
but
painting
booths?
S
C
So
just
I
mean
I
think
the
Hubble
Avenue
has
a
variety
of
uses
on
it.
I
think
that's
a
fair
I
I
we
I
I
hate
to
like
say,
yeah.
There's
this
use
or
similar
uses
without
really
looking
I
mean
I
just
know
from
living
here
for
a
long
time
that
you
know
there
are
quite
a
mix
of
uses
on
Hubble
right
now.
We
have
no
recommendation
because
the
motion
failed.
C
You
know.
The
one
thing
that
occurred
to
me
as
we
spoke
is
that,
if
they're,
if
the
concern,
if
there
is
interest
in
the
the
specific
use
that
the
applicants
described
here
tonight,
we
could
add
a
zoning
condition
that
limits
it
to
indoor
paint.
You
know,
auto
body
paint
use
the
occurs.
You
know
in
the
building.
C
If
you
have
concerns
about
development
behind
the
building,
we
could
have
a
zoning
condition
that
prohibits
development
in
the
rear
yard.
Those
might
help
you,
you
know,
maybe
that's
a
middle
ground
that
would
get
you
towards
a
motion
of
recommending
approval,
but
certainly
I
mean
the
item
can
carry
on
too,
with
no
recommendation.
I
believe
we
can
look
into
that
really
quick.
B
F
C
V
Gary
guyblock
assistant,
City
attorney
I
think
because
of
the
way
that
motion
was
phrased
as
a
denial
of
the
motion
and
that
motion
to
deny
failed
I
believe
that
emotion,
another
motion
would
still
be
viable
here.
I,
don't
think
that
that
closes
the
matter,
because
in
other
words,
if
the,
if
the
motion
had
been
to
approve
and
that
failed
I,
think
that
that
would
that
would
settle
that
matter.
But
I
think
because
it
was
a
motion
to
deny
and
I
mean
it
was
a
tie
too.
B
C
D
Right
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Bert
Ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines
item
number.
Seven
is
a
request
to
rezone
a
small
property
at
the
it's
located
at
2513,
Woodland
Avenue
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
RX1
mixed
use
district,
and
it
would
allow
for
renovation
of
a
small
existing
structure
for
use
as
a
professional
office.
A
subject
property
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
Woodland
Avenue,
mid
block
between
25th
Street
and
26th
Street
as
you'll
see
shortly
this
there's
this
small
commercial
building.
D
D
D
D
Staff
does
believe
that
it
would
be
appropriate
to
rezone
this
small
property
to
RX1.
We
have
recommended
a
couple
of
conditions
that
are
intended
to
ensure
that
it
doesn't
become
burdensome
for
the
Neighbors,
the
as
you'll
see.
Our
first
condition
is
that
we
recommended
any
use
of
the
property,
be
limited
to
any
use
as
permitted
and
limited
the
N5
District,
which
it
is
today,
plus
an
office
which
is
business
or
professional
use.
Pursity
code,
section,
134-5,
point
I'm,
sorry,
3.5.13
a
again.
D
You
know
constructed
these
days
in
a
neighborhood
like
this,
but
historically
that
was
fairly
common,
so
we
have
skimmed
through
our
planned
DSM
comprehensive
land
use
plan,
and
we
feel
that
this
rezoning
does
satisfy
quite
a
few
of
the
goals
in
the
plan.
They're
provided
in
the
staff
report,
so
I
won't
read
through
all
of
them,
but
we
do
like.
One
of
them
is
recognize
the
value
of
the
historic,
existing
historic
building,
stock
and
Landscaping.
D
D
D
D
D
B
X
That
one
okay
got
it
thanks:
Gary
I'm,
just
waiting
so
chair
and
Commissioners.
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
project
again,
my
name
is
Steve
Wilkie,
Shapiro
I'm,
currently
operating
SQL
architecture
at
at
a
location
on
Ingersoll
Avenue,
super
close
to
the
Woodland
property
and
I
launched
SQL
architecture
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
celebrated
our
two-year
anniversary
in
August
and
we're
currently
at
four
people,
including
myself,
plus
one
full-time
employee
and
two
remote
part-time
employees.
X
In
the
interest
of
time,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
quick
and
then
I'll
answer
any
questions
you
have
for
the
show
for
the
past
year
or
so
I've
been
searching
pretty
diligently
for
what
I
call
our
forever
home
and
when
the
city
issued
the
RFP
for
this
particular
property.
We
were
super
excited
to
find
a
place
where
we
could,
where
we
could
live,
what
we
do.
X
It's
a
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
in
a
future
slide,
but
it's
it's
located
in
a
national
register,
historic
district,
although
it's
not
considered
a
contributing
building
due
to
the
alterations
and
our
intent,
and
you
can
tell
that
it
needs
a
lot
of
work.
Our
intent
is
to
do
a
historic,
Rehabilitation,
utilizing
historic
tax
credits
as
well.
X
So
in
our
initial
research,
we've
done,
we
just
a
couple
days
ago
submitted
an
application
to
consider
for
the
for
the
building
to
be
considered
a
local
landmark
and
in
our
initial
research.
What
we
found
is
that
the
building
is
almost
110
years
old.
It
was
constructed
originally
as
a
grocery
store,
called
grief,
Grocery
and
then
sold
very
soon
after
to
the
Paul
Landis,
the
guy
you
see
at
the
back
of
the
photo
here.
X
And
the
two
of
them
opened
a
barbershop
that
lasted
another
30
to
40
years,
depending
on
sort
of
anecdotal
evidence,
I
found
as
we
were
cleaning
it
out,
found
Publications
from
the
early
2000s
stacked
in
in
the
building,
so
I
assume
it
was.
It
was
occupied
until
then,
at
which
point
anecdotal
evidence
again
suggests
that
Harlan
Thomas
abandoned
the
building
in
the
face
of
mounting
maintenance
costs
and
it
stood
vacant,
then,
for
probably
about
10
12
years.
X
We
will
have,
as
you
can
see
here,
there's
really
no
more
space
for
anything
more
than
about
four
people
there
with
plenty
of
street
parking
available
and
I
can
commute
by
commute
from
just
a
few
blocks
away.
So
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
the
intent
is
that
I'll
be
investing
about
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
in
the
project
in
accordance
with
the
secretary
of
standards
for
historic
Rehabilitation,
which
is
one
of
the
proposed
conditions,
so
I'm
fully
behind
that.
Obviously,.
X
At
the
brookhollyard
public
meeting,
we
there
were
three
people,
three
adults
plus
two
children
that
showed
up,
and
we
had
a
great
discussion
about
parking
along
Woodland
and
came
to
a
couple
conclusions,
one
that
there
is
that
there's
enough
parking
on
the
street
to
serve
this
small
use
and
that
we
would
be
parking
kind
of
opposite
when
residents
are
there.
So
during
the
day
we'll
be
parking
in
the
evening,
we're
gonna
leave
and
that's
when
residents
tend
to
park
on
the
street
there.
X
H
X
H
X
X
S
Other
questions,
I'll
take
your
business
card.
I
know
some
black
barbers
that
may
be
interested
and
it'd
be
really
cool
to
have
Bellows
be
established
in
those
new
homes.
My
second
one
I
think
this
is
awesome.
I
love,
the
history
I
hope
you
I
would
love
to
see
and
that
this
is
your
business
that
do
what
you
want,
but
I'd
love
to
see
a
plaque
or
some
way
you
can
tell
that
story.
S
Yeah.
This
supports
walkability.
It's
right
down
the
street
I
think
there
will
be
enough
parking
based
off
of
how
many
employees
you
have
folks
working
remotely
I
just
text
my
dad.
So
his
side
of
the
family
are
Thomas's
and
I
was
like
Hey
Dad.
Is
there
any
family
relationship?
He
said
no,
but
he
did
come
here
often
to
get
his
hair
cut
as
a
kid.
So
I
just
think
this
is
a
well-rounded
and
if
there's
any
other
questions,
I
would
like
to
move
to
staff
Thursday.
X
C
G
X
G
B
A
C
C
S
B
D
Yes,
Madam
chair
members
of
commission
bird
Ross
planning
staff
for
the
city.
As
the
chair
mentioned,
the
request
is
to
build
a
10
foot
tall,
electric
security
fence
or
on
the
perimeter
of
a
parking
lot.
It
requires
two
design
Alternatives,
one
of
those
being
for
four
feet
over
the
maximum
six
feet
of
height
allowed
for
a
fence
in
a
street
side
yard,
and
then
the
other
is
for
a
waiver
of
the
requirement
that
no
fence
shall
be
electrified.
D
So
the
subject
property
is
the
Bell
Brothers,
Heating
and
Cooling
on
Sixth
Avenue,
it's
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
just
at
the
entrance
to
the
Riverview
Park,
the
Polk
County
Community
Center,
just
across
the
street
to
the
north.
This
is
the
layout
of
the
property.
You
can
see
the
existing
buildings
and
then
I'll
zoom
in
so
you
can
see
it,
but
the
red
line
here
represents
the
fence
that
they're
wanting
to
construct
again
it
would
be
a
10
foot
tall,
electrified
fence.
D
D
This
is
a
design
of
what
that
fence
would
look
like
again.
It
would
be
10
feet
tall
with
strands
of
electrified
wire,
and
this
is
another
photo
that
shows
how
that
fence
would
bird
if
I
touch
this
fence
would
I
die,
I,
don't
believe
so
I
think
I'll.
Let
the
applicants
speak
to
that,
but
no
that's
true.
It's
just
meant
to
hurt,
not
kill.
D
D
J
G
D
As
far
as
our
staff
recommendation,
we
have
recommended
denial.
We
do.
We
don't
believe
that
an
electrified
fence
would
be
in
character
with
the
character
of
this
area,
especially
given
that
this
is
the
entrance
to
Riverview
Park
and
there's
a
community
center
just
to
the
north.
We
do
I,
guess
sympathize
with
the
property
owner
for
the
security
issues
that
they've
been
experiencing,
but
we
do
feel
there
are
alternative
security
measures,
whether
it
be
additional
lighting
or
security
cameras
or
sensors,
or
something
else
rather
than
an
electrified
fence.
C
D
D
Are
a
few
that
have
been
granted
over
the
years
prior
to
adoption
of
the
new
code
in
2019?
Those
went
to
the
board
of
adjustment
and
their
instances
where
people
could
get
special
permits
to
do
electric
fences.
So
there
are
some
most
of
them
that
I
could
think
of
are
down
like
around
Vandalia
or
South
Amari
and
more
industrial
areas.
I
know
this
area
by
North,
High
School
does
have
quite
a
few
industrial
uses,
but
the
uses
aren't
as
big
like
down
in
some
of
those
salvage
yards
that
didn't
get
it.
D
C
T
Q
Y
Z
Y
Z
Well,
here,
we'll
start
here:
first
off
I
just
want
to
say
to
everyone
that
Bell
Brothers
has
been
at
this
location
since
the
1970s
I'm,
the
fourth
President
of
Bell
Brothers
I,
enjoy
the
neighborhood
we're
a
good
neighbor.
We
take
care
of
our
property
we've
invested
in
this
property
over
the
years.
We
care
deeply
about
the
community
of
Des
Moines
Bell
Brothers
is
my
home.
It's
where
I
get
up
and
go
to
work
every
day,
it's
my
business
home,
but
over
the
last
year,
I
find
myself
questioning
my
business
home
in
my
location.
Z
We've
had
five
incidences
since
April
of
last
year,
where
we've
had
people
breaking
into
our
fence
people
jumping
over
our
fence,
the
one
that
really
makes
me
the
most
upset
is
on
a
Sunday
afternoon
at
2
30
I'm
down
working
with
my
13
year
old
daughter.
She
goes
out
to
throw
garbage
and
the
as
you
guys
can
see
where
those
dumpsters
are.
There's
a
scrap
bin
right
behind
there
and
there's
a
man
in
that
dumpster
and
you
can
see
it
on
the
camera
and
he
is
literally
fi.
He
sees
her.
She
sees
him.
Z
She
runs
off.
She
comes
in
screaming
for
me
and
I
go
out
there
and
I'm
ready,
I'm
ready
to
roll,
and
he
all
he
had
to
do
was
run
right
along
that
corner
through
the
fence
and
sneak
right
out
sorry
that
one
that
one
really
bothers
me
2
30
in
the
afternoon,
there's
kids
playing
over
at
the
park.
As
you
can
see
right
down
the
road
there.
Z
That's
what
I'm
dealing
with
right
now
since
April
of
last
year
before
that
time,
we'd
have
a
every
once
in
a
while
somebody
break
in
her,
but
five
incidences
since
April
of
last
year
to
me
has
has
really
it's
just
it's
just
gotten
out
of
hand.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned
incident
number
two,
you
guys
you
can
see
right
there
on
the
video
I
have
a
camera
with
lights.
Z
They
basically
jump
that
fence
at
about
2
30
in
the
morning
back
in
the
night,
where
all
the
catalytic
converters
were
sold
out
of
vehicles
throughout
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
I.
Think
most
of
you
probably
remember
that
on
the
news
we
had
four
of
our
Cube
trucks.
They
just
throw
their
saws
all
over.
They
know
the
cameras
are
there,
they
walk
over,
they
jump
underneath
you
watch
them
all,
they're
looped
out
and
away.
They
go
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
of
catalytic
converters.
Thirty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
production
I'm
out
of
business.
Z
P
S
Z
You
guys
can't
see
it
very
well,
but
there's
a
fence
where
all
those
properties
come
together
and
there's
a
there's,
an
area,
that's
where
they
cut
and
come
through
and
they
walk
down
this
alley
and
get
through
and
there's
nothing.
You
can
do
I
mean
a
a
camera,
a
light.
You
guys
say
that
we,
we
put
a
camera
back
there
on
incident
number
five
with
a
light
and
an
alert.
Z
The
perpetrators
basically
knocked
that
it
was
mounted
way
high,
so
you'd
have
to
actually
I
think
they
climbed
on
my
roof
to
knock
the
camera
down.
So
the
camera
was
gone
by
the
next
morning.
Bad
incident
number
five
busted
out.
Two
windows
stole
my
duck:
cleaning
camera
for
three
thousand
dollars
busted
the
window.
A
thousand
bucks
incident
number
four:
they
throw
a
rock
at
my
front
window,
trying
to
break
through
incident
number
three
again.
They
cut
that
fence
behind
the
building
and
that
situation
they
they
got
four
bands.
Z
It's
all
estimated
losses,
oh
on
top
of
that
I've
got
a
delivery
truck,
that's
still
not
commissioned
because
they
tried
to
steal
the
ignition
and
hot
wire
and
they
busted
it
all
to
hell.
So
estimated
losses
which
are
probably
not
accurate,
are
seventy
thousand
dollars
since
April
of
last
year,
pretty
significant,
in
my
mind,
paid
property
taxes
of
thirty
two
thousand
to
this
to
Des
Moines
Bell
Brothers
has
been
my
home
for
a
long
time
and
I
love
being
there,
but
I
cannot
remain
there
and
I
won't.
Z
If
this,
if
I
can't
find
a
solution
to
protect
myself
and
my
business
and
my
employees
going
forward,
the
system
I've
picked
I've
thought
about
this
long
and
hard.
It
does
not
I'll.
Let
Michael
do
the
talking
here,
but
I
picked
it
I,
don't
want
anyone
to
get
hurt.
I
don't
want
anyone
to,
but
I
also
have
to
protect
myself.
I
really
don't
want
I
recognize.
There's
a
there's.
Z
Y
All
right,
I'm
gonna
go
through
a
little
tutorial,
so
bear
with
me.
We
have
installed
other
devices
in
this
city.
We
have
three
of
them
up
right
now,
installed
them
back
in
1999,
2000,
2008
I
was
here
for
the
2000
and
2008
installs
and
I'm.
Still
here,
it's
a
very
simple
device,
allegedly
works
on
a
12
volt
battery.
We
are
never
connected
to
the
electrical
infrastructure
at
all.
Y
Y
The
Energizer
takes
that
12
volts
and
amplifies
it
to
seven
to
nine
thousand
volts
in
one
second,
so
there's
nothing
on
that
interior
line
for
one
second,
when
that
Energizer
is
loaded,
it
releases
that
energy
down
the
line
back
to
an
alarm
panel.
It
takes
three
ten
thousandths
of
a
second
for
that
to
happen.
So
it's
a
pulsed
energy
device,
we're
not
even
covered
by
the
National
Electric
Code,
so
technically,
I'm,
really
not
even
electricity.
Y
Once
we
get
that
energy
back
to
that
alarm
system,
it's
looking
for
a
nice
clean
return.
If
I
don't
get
a
clean
return
for
five
consecutive
pulses,
set
the
alarm
off
audibly
on
the
site
and
silently
back
to
our
call
center,
and
we
start
going
through
a
call
list.
Unfortunately,
Jason
will
probably
be
on
that
list.
If
something
happens,
I'm
going
to
call
him
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
tell
him
where
the
break
is
because
we
know
within
10
feet
where
the
brakes
are
mathematical,
algorithm
I
can
figure
it
out.
Y
We
also
have
cameras
of
these
devices,
so
we
can
look
at
that
particular
fence
line
and
see.
What's
going
on
I'm
in
South
Carolina,
we
have
tropical
storms
hurricanes,
run
over
us
all.
The
time
thunderstorms,
knock
trees,
Downs
on
fence
lines,
take
them
out.
You
can
look
at
that
and
say:
hey,
let's
button
it
up
and
go
back
to
bed
or
I
got
five
guys
in
a
flatbed
truck,
got
a
hole
in
my
fence,
they're
robbing
me
blind
call
the
local
police
department.
It's
called
a
verified
alarm
now.
Y
You've
had
these
things
in
this
city
for
a
while.
You've
had
no
problems
whatsoever
with
any
installation.
We've
ever
installed
no
complaints
and,
most
importantly,
we've
had
no
crime
in
those
locations.
We've
stopped
crying
cold,
so
12
volt
battery
solar
panels,
it's
tested
and
labeled
to
the
international
and
National
standards.
We
have
over
6
000
of
these
all
over
the
country.
Y
Six
thousand
I
don't
hurt
people,
but
you
do
get
shocked
and
the
shock
is
like
this:
if
you,
if
you're
out
with
your
stocking
feet
on
a
carpet
rubbing
them
across
the
carpet,
reach
out
and
hit
a
door
handle
you
get
a
15
000
volt
Static
Shock,
that's
less
than
what
I
do,
but
you
don't
like
it,
so
you
don't
keep
doing
it
over
and
over
again.
They're
signed.
Also
so
they're
small
signs
up
there,
but
they're
very
difficult
devices
to
see
the
wires
are
thinner
than
the
wires
that
are
behind
the
fence
line.
Y
Y
That
was
not
it
okay,
so
that's
basically
the
way
it
works.
The
little
hitch
in
the
back
that
little
90
degree
angle
back
there
very
easy
for
someone
to
get
through
there.
That
is
an
unusual
configurational.
A
lot.
A
lot
of
lots,
don't
have
that
little
90
degree.
One
more
thing
is
we're
talking
about
the
height
of
the
perimeter
fence.
There
are
two
fences
here:
the
perimeter
fence
it's
up
and
we
go
in
behind
it.
Y
He's
had
that
thing
in
there,
since
1990
he's
got
an
eight
foot
tall
fence,
you
could
see
in
the
photographs
we're
10
feet
tall,
so
we're
going
to
be
a
couple
of
feet:
taller
you're
only
going
to
see
about
three
strands
of
wire,
only
if
you're
up
and
close
to
it
and
looking
if
you're
walking
down
the
sidewalk
you're,
probably
not
going
to
see
it.
If
you're
driving
down
the
road
you're
not
going
to
see
it,
it's
inobtrusive,
you
cannot
see
these
devices.
Y
Y
Y
Y
If
you
get
up
about
that
high
another
two
feet
over
it,
no
one's
going
to
jump
over
that,
and
even
in
my
young
athletic
days,
I'm
almost
70
now
I
wasn't
jumping
off
something
10
feet
tall
and
it's
very
difficult
to
do
without
being
injured
unless
you
know
how
to
hit
and
roll
those
kind
of
things.
So
the
height
is
very
important
on
these
devices.
When
we
get
the
height,
we
push
them
down
to
the
bottom,
where
they're
going
to
be
cutting.
Y
Y
Like
inadvertently,
you'd
have
to
be
going
through
it.
To
do
that,
I
mean
the
aperture
we're
required
to
be
behind
an
aperture
of
2.25
inches.
You
can't
take
your
hand
through
there.
A
child
can't
get
your
hand
through
there.
If
you
have
a
piece
of
metal
and
run
it
through
there,
it
would
ground
everything
out.
You
wouldn't
have
a
shock
at
all,
but
it's
also
safer
for
a
child
than
an
adult
and
I
don't
mean
that
as
being
they're
going
to
be
injured,
it's
just
that
they
have
a
smaller
pipe
electricity
wise.
Y
Z
Z
They
really
feel
like
it's
the
same
guy
starting
to
over
and
over.
So
these
guys
have
eyes
on
what
we're
doing
they're,
probably
watching
us
during
the
days
what
I
would
anticipate
and
they
see
that
you
know
all
kind
of
defenseless
really
I
mean
we
can
shine
all
the
lights
and
have
all
the
I
mean
no
one
breaks
into
our
building.
Z
Is
this
I
wouldn't
be
here?
If
the
frequency
had
gone
up,
you
know
I
can
live
with.
You
know
just
some
knucklehead
who
wants
to
come
in
once
a
year
or
whatever,
but
this
is
guys.
This
is
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
the
pain
of
the
employees
and
me
and
my
family,
my
I
mean
I.
Don't
know,
I've
already
told
my
story
about
that,
but.
Y
Y
The
fire
departments
usually
have
a
problem
with
that,
because
they'll
walk
up
and
go
hey,
7000
volts
I'm
not
going
in
there,
so
we
provide
a
knock
switch
for
the
fire
department.
It's
keyed
just
for
that
particular
fire
department,
which
would
be
Des
Moines.
They
come
up
there,
hit
it
open
it.
It's
very
similar
to
what
you
see
in
an
elevator.
Y
When
you
see
a
little
key
switch
in
the
elevator
for
the
fireman,
that's
exactly
what
it
is,
so
it
opens
it
up
for
the
fire
department
they
run
in,
do
their
deed,
whatever
it
is
putting
out
a
fire
life-saving
event,
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
closing
it
back
up,
but
we'll
take
care
of
that.
Thank
you.
Z
AA
Y
At
all
it,
you
know
just
just
think
of
it
as
an
open
door,
and
if
you
live,
you
leave
your
house,
you
lock
your
front
door
and
you
leave
the
back
door
open
or
vice
versa.
You
need
to
you
need
to
secure
the
entire
property,
or
it's
really
not
going
to
work
and
that's
what
that's.
Our
expertise
is
perimeter,
security
and.
Z
The
one
the
one
to
answer
your
question
to
the
one
where
they
jumped
the
fence
that
was
over
in
that
corner
right
right,
as
you
could
walk
to
the
park
there
I
mean
they
just
jumped
it.
So
the
the
main
point
of
entry,
though,
has
been
that
back
corner.
If
I
would
encourage
people
to
drive
by
it,
you'll
see
what
I'm
talking
about
it's,
it's
so
protected
for
anybody.
Yeah.
S
Y
Y
That
equates
to
about
four
to
eight
inches.
So
that's
about
how
far
away
we
get
you
don't
want
it
too
far
away,
because
you
start
taking
up
a
lot
of
space
away
from
it
and
you
make
it
easier
to
manipulate.
So
you
want
to
get
it
pretty
tight
on
the
on
the
gates.
We
actually
have
it
about
three
inches
or
so
because
the
gates
are
usually
operated
with
a
chain
drive
motor
and
you
need
to
have
it
really
tight
on
the
gate.
So
we
insulated
off
the
gates.
Y
If
there's
a
solid
wall,
sometimes
I'll
put
it
up
on
a
little
L
bracket
on
the
top
of
the
wall,
because
people
usually
aren't
going
to
take
a
sledgehammer
and
try
to
knock
a
hole
in
the
wall.
It's
a
very
noisy
people
can
see
what
you're
doing
sometimes
I
build
it
all
the
way
up
inside
of
walls
too,
because
they'll
do
that.
So
it
just
depends
on
the
situation.
AA
A
Z
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
honest,
like
in
the
that
Corridor,
the
the
Des
Moines
cold
storage
building.
We
actually
had
some
I
hate
saying
this,
but
we
moved
out
of.
We
were
using
that
for
storage
because
we
with
inflationary
times
and
the
craziness
of
supplies,
we
we
rented
some
space
and
we
actually
had
some
stuff
stolen
out
of
there
recently.
So
we
just
moved
out
of
there.
That's
the
only
crime
I
can
think
of
most
of
the
the
Des
Moines
Cold
Storage
is
pretty
much
vacant
directly
behind
us
to
the
park.
Z
There
is
a
like
a
workshop
right
behind
us,
but
they
all
their
stuff
goes
inside
and
actually
they've
been
a
very
good
neighbor.
They've
they've
been
keeping
an
eye
on
ever
since
we
kind
of
walked
over
there
and
told
them
what
was
going
on,
but
they
don't
get
affected
because
they
bring
everything
in
and
lock
it
up.
They
don't
have
any
trucks
or
anything
outside
most
people
that
are
behind
us.
They
don't
have
trucks
outside
or
they're,
really
after
the
trucks
that
are
in
the
lot,
there
are
our
service,
trucks
and
stuff.
Z
Z
That
is
an
assumption.
We're
making
I
don't
have
proof,
but
it's
just
coincidental
that
they've
the
last
couple
incidences
have
been
the
same
thing
where
they
knocked
the
back
windows
out
of
our
service
Vans
and
go
after
the
tools
and
the
you
know.
The
cameras
and
stuff
like
that.
I
think
people
have
gotten
away
from
catalytic
converters
now
and
I've
gone
on
to
you
know:
selling
tools
on
the
Facebook
channels
or
whatever
I've
been
reading
about
that.
Z
But
I
mean
these
are
pretty
significant
tools
that
were
stolen
from
us,
and
you
know
our
employees
that
these
tools
were
stolen
from
they
work.
They
invest
in
these
tools.
These
are
their
hard
blood,
sweat
tears
and,
of
course,
I
wasn't
gonna.
They
don't
have
enough
money
to
pay
these
tools
back
when
they
get
stolen.
So
I
I
wrote
a
check
myself
for
it.
So,
but
back
to
your
question,
you
know
across
the
street
there's
a
restaurant
I
haven't
we.
We
do
some
work
for
them
over
there
from
time
to
time.
Z
C
C
W
Z
Z
My
dad
was
a
president
for
me
and
Bob
and
Grant
ran
the
business,
so
some
of
you
might
know
Bob
and
Grant
they're
both
passed
on
now,
but
this
this
is
a
legacy
business
in
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
and
I'm,
asking
for
help
and
I
don't
want
to
leave,
but
I
am
not
gonna
I
mean
by
the
time
we
go
through.
All
the
other
I
mean
we'll
do
it,
but
it's
like
I,
don't
know
so
anyway.
I
appreciate
all
of
you,
but
I
I.
Z
I
would
hope
so
I
mean
I.
I
really
do
hope,
so
I
pray
for
that.
You
know.
If
you
go
back
there
right
now,
it
definitely
could
use
some.
Some
upgrades
I
mean
it's.
It's
pretty
tight
back
there
with
there's
a
lot
of
construction
stuff
and
the
buildings
look
old
and
better
directly
behind
me
where
they've
been
getting
through,
and
so
that
would
be
welcome
for
me.
Yes,
but
I
kind
of
one
of
those
that
I
hear
things
but
I
I,
don't
believe
them
until
I
see
signed
contracts
and
actual
movement.
B
S
Z
Yeah
I've
spoke
to
well.
Obviously
the
I
can't
remember
the
name.
It
was
my
service
manager
that
went
over
there
and
talked
to
them,
but
the
neighbors
directly
behind
me
in
the
brick
building
I
can't
remember
their
name,
but
they
they're,
aware
of
it
obviously
they're
trying
to
help
so
their
camera
has
motion
stuff
on
it.
So
they've
actually
dinged
us
a
couple
times.
So
there
was
actually
two
Saturdays
ago.
Z
Z
Z
Sure
you
could
probably
get
a
motion
system
that
might
do
that,
but
I
I
don't
know.
I'd
have
to
look
at
it
a
little
bit
more
honestly
this.
This
was
something
that
I've
been
working
on
since
last
June
through
a
partnership
group
that
I'm
in
and
they
recommended
this,
because
it's
been
successful
in
other
brands
like
mine
across
the
country,
and
so
you
know
I
anyway,.
S
C
N
S
Yeah
I
I
struggle
with
and
I'm.
Sorry
like
70
000
is
a
lot
of
money
for
a
business
to
lose.
That's
that's
a
lot
of
money
and
that's
I've
been
stolen
from
as
a
businessman
that
sucks
that
that
terribly
sucks
and
I'm
sorry
you're
going
through
that
you
deserve
better
I'm
leaning
towards
it.
To
be
very
honest,
I
mean
if
you
can
promise
that
people
are
going
to
be
safe.
It's
going
to
be
signed
right.
S
L
Just
add,
I
I'm,
also
sort
of
split
on
this
I,
don't
like
to
set
a
precedent.
I,
don't
want
to
see
honestly
I,
don't
really
understand.
I
realize
it's
grandfathered
in
why
this
area
is
industrial
with
a
park
and
a
community
center
and
a
high
school
I
don't
feel
like
that
area
should
be
industrial,
but
it
is
and
I
appreciate,
having
Legacy
businesses
stay
there
and
I
have
a
lot
of
sympathy.
L
I'm,
a
member
of
an
organization
that
has
also
had
a
couple
break-ins
that
is
nearby
this
location
and
we
have
lost
some
equipment
worth
some
money.
So
I,
totally
sympathize
with
this,
and
the
only
thing
I'm
struggling
with
is
setting
a
precedent
of
having
electric
fences
go
up
over
this
whole
area
and
I.
Don't
think
that
helps
a
neighborhood
that
is
very
has
a
lot
of
community.
AA
I
am
going
to
dovetail
into
Carol's
conversation
or
statement
about
because
I
live
in
Riverbend
and
I
watched.
The
evolution
of
Sixth,
Avenue
and
I
know
that
we
are
investing
a
lot
of
money
between
Riverbend
and
Highland
Park
and
we
just
spent
four
million
dollars
on
a
park
and
that's
the
entrance
to
that.
Park
and
I.
Don't
like
the
message
that
it
sends
unfortunately
and
I'm
wondering
if
working
with
our
at-large
Council
people
and
Indira-
and
you
know
Linda
westergard-
to
try
and
find
other
Solutions
or
bring
this
forward.
I.
AA
Don't
know
I
just
feel
like
they're
resources.
Are
you
could
know
more
about
what's
happening
so
that
you
can
feel
more
confident
or
you
know,
Riverview
it's
a
great
group.
You
know
to
help
that
they
can
help
support
you
in
some
fashion.
I,
don't
know
I
just
I,
don't
like
the
idea
of
the
only
you
are
currently
the
only
person,
the
only
all
accessible
part
I
mean
currently
accessible
Park.
W
I
I
hate
hearing
the
story
about
and
being
at
his
office
and
his
daughter
coming
outside
and
feeling
afraid
and
and
the
break
the
repeated
break-ins
and,
at
the
same
time,
I
hate
the
idea
of
a
city
where
you
know
you
don't
count
on
law
enforcement
to
protect
your
property
and
your
only
recourse
is
to
put
electrified
fences
around
it.
I
mean
that's
a
block
from
North
High
School,
it's
terrible,
that's
a
terrible
place
to
live,
and
so
I
don't
know.
W
I'm
also
wondering
is,
is,
is
an
armed
security
like
how
much
does
it
cost
to
have
an
armed
guard
there
overnight?
You
know
if
they
come
in
and
tell
them
to
stop
and
then
shoot
them.
That's
probably
better
than
having
an
electric
fence.
That's
10
foot
tall
everywhere
I
mean
maybe
you
could
argue
that
but
electric
it
would
it's
just
it's
nasty
sounding
like
it's
kind
of
better.
If
they
just
say
you
know
what
screw
it
we're
going
to
move
to.
W
You
know
wherever
and
then
our
truck
is
safe
in
a
field
and
they
sort
of
vote
with
their
feet,
because
the
precedent
that
it
sets
is
that
anybody
who
comes
in
here
and
says
that
they're
not
safe
and
the
law
enforcement's
not
coming.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
say?
No,
you
don't
get
to
put
a
10-foot
electric
fence
around
your
house.
AA
F
F
R
I
would
just
add
my
two
cents
as
well:
I
feel
for
the
the
Legacy
business
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
have
been
made.
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
an
echo
chamber,
but
at
this
point
I
am
the
same
position.
That
Francis
is
at
that
I
was
leaning
towards
a
no
then
towards
the
S,
then
I
don't
really
know,
and
then
I
thought
this
may
be
about
my
pay
grade.
R
So
I
I
would
be
voting
now,
so
that
Council
can
decide
what
to
do
with
it
and
hopefully
assign
the
right
resources
so
that
the
businesses
in
our
community
will
continue
to
thrive
and
the
the
facilities
that
have
been
built
around
this
business
can
also
continue
to
thrive
accordingly.
So
those
are
just
my
two
cents.
S
S
W
I
I
guess
to
answer
your
first
question
for
me
personally,
like
I
like
I,
think
there
are
other
examples
in
the
city
of
tall
opaque
barriers
like
even
Civic,
Center
Court
right
next
to
right.
Next
to
the
Civic
Center
downtown
has
tall
brick
tall,
brick
walls
that
you
know
probably
keep
people
out
of
there.
So
I
think
yeah
I
think
that
that's
part
of
it
for
me
and
then
I
I
think,
like
Johnny
I,
think
it's
above
our
pay
grade.
I
agree
like
people.
W
B
B
B
S
C
C
C
B
S
You
thank
you,
I'll
make
a
final
comment
so
you're
in
between
two
large
investment
centers.
So
you
have
Highland
Park
and
you
have
Sixth
Avenue
and
then
there's
talking
about
the
water
Trails,
so
I
think
you
have
a
great
opportunity
to
appeal
for
some
type
of
relief
or
resources
in
that
area.
They
just
made
that
outdoor
Amphitheater,
so
I
think
there
is
a
indeed
a
solution
and
I
I
would
appeal
and
press
you
to
to
reach
out
to
the
city
council
and
and
get
some
relief
for
sure.
S
I
know.
Linda
westergard
is
over
that
area.
Connie
bozen's
a
good
reach
out
in
Carl
Voss
who's.
A
sponsor
of
a
lot
of
those
trees
around
that
area
would
be
a
good
good
person
to
contact
to
but
share
your
story
tell
them
how
it
affects
it,
how
your
legacy
or
business,
how
we
were
very
much
conflicted
and
and
I'm
praying
that
we
can
find
a
solution
for
you.
B
AB
Good
evening
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Michael
Delp
Plano
planning
staff.
This
is
a
request
from
the
greater
Des
Moines
Habitat
for
Humanity
for
the
property
located
at
95
University
Avenue
they're,
needing
relief
for
with
the
fine,
with
the
three
requested
type
2
design,
alternatives
to
move
forward
with
their
project
in
the
existing
building
at
95
University
Avenue.
Their
first
request
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
is
to
waive
the
requirement
for
installations.
AB
This
is
the
subject
property
here:
it's
95
University,
Avenue,
North
of
University
Avenue,
with
Street
Frontage
on
University
Avenue,
Main,
Street,
Indianapolis,
Indiana,
Indiana,
Avenue
and
Ohio
streets
Habitat
for
Humanity
is
proposing
to
move
into
a
pre-existing
building,
16
635
square
feet.
The
total
Site
Area
is
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
13
square
feet.
AB
Here
is
a
sheet
from
their
submitted
site
plan.
It
shows
the
layout
of
the
building
and
the
proposed
Landscaping
they're
being
required
through
the
site
plan
process,
to
bring
site
up
to
conformance
with
Landscaping
requirements.
As
you
can
see
from
this
layout,
the
building
footprint
isn't
changing
at
all.
They're
sticking
with
a
pre-existing
building.
They
are
going
to
make
alterations
to
the
Ohio
Street
side,
which
is
the
Eastern
facade.
AB
Their
proposed
Opera
alterations
are
moving
these
windows
and
doors.
The
transparency
on
that
Eastern,
facade
and
they're,
going
to
install
six
loading
door
entrances
and
these
two
removing
the
transparency
and
putting
in
the
loading
door
entrances
where
they're
triggering
that
requirement
on
the
pre-existing
building
to
need
relief
from
the
building
typology
requirements.
AB
AB
So
they
would
be
below
that
minimum
transparency
requirement
with
the
12
blank
wall
limitations,
so
that's
kind
of
the
Nexus
of
the
building
typologies
for
type
2
design,
Alternatives
that
they're
requesting
here
they're
also
requesting
relief
from
providing
sidewalks
along
all
frontages.
Here
they
have
four
frontages
University
Avenue
there's
currently
an
existing
sidewalk
along
University
Avenue.
They
do
not
have
sidewalk
along
Main
Street,
Indiana,
Indiana,
Avenue
and
Ohio
streets
from
a
staff
perspective
on
this
for
waiving
the
requirements
for
the
sidewalk
installation.
AB
There's
currently
existing
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
Indiana
directly
to
the
west
of
the
property.
There's
currently
an
existing
DART
station
at
the
south
point
of
Ohio
Street,
along
with
University
Avenue.
So
they
have
some
gaps
in
their
sidewalk
in
providing
sidewalks
with
this
property
and
all
the
sidewalks
around
the
property
are
priority
level,
two
sidewalk
gaps
within
our
prioritization
map
with
move
DSM.
AB
So
this
would
like
we
would
support
this
from
a
staff
level
to
be
infilled
when
the
site
plan
is
triggered.
For
this
requirement,
staff
did
have
dialogue
with
the
applicants
during
the
site
plan.
Submittal
process
staff
is
supportive
of
waiving
the
requirements
to
install
sidewalk
along
main
streets
contingent
on
the
installation
of
sidewalk
in
on
Indiana,
Indiana,
Avenue
and
Ohio
streets,
providing
that
connection
from
Indiana
Indiana
Avenue
and
Ohio
Street
down
to
the
dart
stops
that
are
along
University
Avenue.
AB
AB
There's
only
two
possible
two
possible
sides
of
the
building
that
can
be
used
for
this
orientation
for
loading
and
exiting
their
trucks
and
everything
that
they're
going
to
use
for
the
warehouse
to
use.
This
would
be
on
the
North
side
or
the
Ohio
Street
side.
The
north
side
would
be
the
Indiana
side.
Staff
doesn't
think
there
would
be
a
significant
change
from
having
that
warehousing
loading
entrances
on
the
North
side,
as
opposed
to
the
Ohio
Street
side.
AB
Our
staff
recommendation
on
this
for
the
type
2
design
Alternatives
waive
the
requirements
inside
install
the
sidewalk
along
Main
Street,
allow
garage
doors
facing
a
primary
Street,
Ohio,
Street
and
wave
the
12
blank
wall.
Limitations
on
the
primary
streets
staff
does
not
support
waving,
sidewalk
installation
along
Indiana,
Avenue
and
Ohio
streets.
AB
AB
So
they're
meeting
the
fence
Frontage
buffer
Landscaping
requirement.
They
did
seek
waiver
of
Defense
requirements.
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor
here,
they
would
have
to
install
the
fence
along
all
the
edges
of
the
parking
lot,
that's
directly
across
from
right
away.
So
this
Southern
parking
lot
and
this
Northern
parking
lot.
C
C
AB
And
so
they're
they're
installing
the
Landscaping
along
this
parking
rail
here.
This
is
where
they
requested
the
type
1
design
alternative
to
waive
the
Landscaping
Island
require
the
breakup
between
the
parking
routes
there.
They
did
have
a
couple
spaces
where
they
increased
it
from
nine
spaces
to
11
spaces,
with
requests
from
staff.
AB
AB
C
Well,
I
think
there's
like
a
there.
Was
a
poll
I
remember
there
being
a
poll
along
Indiana,
but
is
there
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
that
the
Landscaping
is
in
there
right
away,
but
just
to
Samurai?
What
you're
saying
is
that
we
to
avoid
some
obstacles?
The
sidewalk
may
have
to
be
partially
on
private
property,
which
could
impact
some
of
the
landscaping
and
just
how
it's
enranged.
V
G
AB
AC
Madam,
chair
commission,
thank
you,
Lance
Henning,
with
greater
Des
Moines
Habitat
for
Humanity,
2200,
East,
Euclid,
Des
Moines,
and
that
Habitat
for
Humanity
I.
Think
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
so
non-profit
that
we
are
creating
and
trying
to
preserve,
affordable
home
ownership
across
Des
Moines.
This
is
a
new
office
facility
for
us
and
also
would
handle
some
of
our
construction
warehousing
needs
and
being
able
to
do
that
as
we
talked
through
habitat
and
part
of
what
we
do
in
addition
to
the
homeownership.
AC
So
this
last
year
we
created
27
homeownership
on
a
repair
program.
We
did
286
homeowner
occupied
repairs
and
then
we
also
have
a
significant.
We
have
our
home
buyer
education.
We
also
have
Financial
counseling
that
we
do.
We
are
a
HUD
certified,
approved,
counselor
and
so
a
big
piece.
We
don't
have
adequate
space
for
our
classroom
and
they're,
not
space
for
our
staff
as
well.
So
this
would
be
an
expansion
in
being
able
to
do
that.
AC
The
the
space
on
there
too,
it
is
all
existing
parking
that
all
exists
there
and
there
is
Landscaping
in
place,
then
we'll
be
adding
to
that.
As
part
of
that,
the
warehouse
piece
that
is
this
here,
this
building
originally
Pastime,
was
a
Pepsi
Bottling.
This
was
warehouse
space
that
had
doors
and
pieces.
AC
So
when
you
look
at
the
windows
of
the
the
last
owner
here,
put
those
windows
in
filling
in
the
existing
doors
to
be
able
to
want
to
create
office
that
never
happened.
It
actually
is
just
an
unfinished
space
on
the
other
side
of
that
on
there.
So
then,
the
intention
is
for
us
to
really
use
the
existing
headers
or
the
old
door
set
and
put
those
garage
doors
back
in
place
to
be
able
to
use
that
for
a
warehouse.
Your
item,
just
before
indicated
how
important
it
is.
AC
E
AC
Just
as
far
as
existing
garage
doors
and
loading
docks
in
the
area,
the
yellow
is
the
facility
that
we're
talking
about
for
habitat
and
then
around.
There
are
all
places
that
have
garage
doors
or
loading
docks
facing
streets,
so
there's
15
garage
doors
and
23
loading
docks
that
are
facing
streets,
including
Ohio
yeah.
AC
AC
So
if,
if
we
were
able
to
set
those
on
there,
that
there
are
utility
poles
in
particular,
that
would
also
influence
that
how
those
sidewalks
sit
so
along
Ohio
we'd
have
to
kind
of
push
and
just
hit
around
those
and
then
on
Indiana
the
utility
poles.
You
would
have
to
move
into
habitats
property
you'd,
be
out
of
the
right
way
into
habitat's
property
to
miss
several
of
those
pools
and
then
on
the
corner
of
Ohio
and
Indiana
right
here.
AC
That
poll
there's
not
really
a
way
around
it.
So
we
would
have
to
move
the
pole
itself
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
hit
those
and
get
those
connected
in
there.
So
from
the
concrete
side
alone
on
the
sidewalk
near
16,
17
000
Indiana,
when
you
push
that
in
you'll
be
tearing
out
Landscaping,
so
there's
Nice
Landscaping
there
already
we're
going
to
add
to
it.
We
have
to
tear
the
Landscaping
out,
come
back
and
then
move
in
the
utility
pole
as
part
of
that,
and
so
with
all
those
pieces.
AC
E
AC
AC
So
I
think
you
know
it's
a
piece,
it's
a
piece
for
us
as
we
think
about
how
we
want
to
invest
in
the
people
that
need
housing
and
trying
to
be
able
to
have
the
right
facility
to
do
that
and
and
a
place
putting
in
a
sidewalk
that
is
going
to
see
almost
no
use.
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
be
investing
those
dollars
there.
So
we're
asking
for
Relief
on
all
the
sidewalks
and
then
the
actions,
the
other
two
actions
are
related
to
the
garage
doors.
So
thank
you.
For
your
time.
There.
B
R
R
AC
AC
C
B
G
B
G
AC
G
G
AC
G
C
C
B
R
AB
C
R
C
They
were
granted
an
extension
of
time
and
then
they
came
back
and
asked
for
another
extension
and
they
were
given
a
second
extension,
but
I
think
they
also
asked
for
it
to
be
waived,
and
the
commission
said
no,
but
the
property
to
the
West
had
was
redeveloped
and
sidewalk
was
installed
on
Maine
and
Indiana
I.
Don't
believe
that
they've
requested
any
relief
I
think
they
just
did
it,
and
it
was.
You
know
a
standard
comment
of
course.
C
It
it's
if
I
it's
a
priority
too.
So
the
transportation
plan
has
sidewalk
Gap
analysis
and
has
priority
ones
two
and
three,
and
basically
that's
a
priority
of
how
the
city
is
going
to
allocate
funding
so
meaning
the
city
is
going
to
go
in
and
fill
gaps
in
Priority
One
routes.
First,
those
are
the
highest
priority.
C
C
You
know
we
were
asking
ourselves,
you
know
if
we
have
people
put
into
escrow
and
defer
construction
like
how
far
out
does
it
make
sense
to
do
that
in
relationship
to
when
is
the
city
going
to
be
in
an
area
to
budget
and
my
fuzzy
memory
you
know
to
be
in
an
area.
My
fuzzy
memory
is
like
priority.
Two
might
be,
you
know,
20
years
out
or
something
along
those
lines.
S
Q
C
Okay,
look
at
the
just.
The
prioritization
isn't
necessarily
intended
to
it's
still
a
question
of
a
site
plan,
so
site
plan
comes
in
it's
a
requirement
and
then
we
just
make
make
a
decision
on
whether
or
not
it
should
be
waived.
We
look
at
the
priority
route
information,
but
that's
just
a
factor
also.
You
know
we
should
look
at
other
things,
which
is
what
the
staff
recommendation
is
based
on.
Is
bus
stops
existing
Network
relationship
to
a
kind
of
broader
area
and
goals
and
those
things.
AB
AB
P
H
B
B
It's
a
great
opportunity
for
those
families
to
get
themselves.
Some
are
better
in
life
and
they're
in
their
families
and
I
know,
there's
precedent
for
us
waving
sidewalks
for
other
non-profits,
maybe
not
just
because
they're
non-profits,
but
the
bank
of
Iowa
comes
to
mind.
That's
before
we
had
the
priority
of
sidewalks,
but
that
would
have
been
priority
two
or
three
I
assume,
because
they're
kind
of
in
an
industrial
area
as
well
so
I'd
like
to
follow
that
precedent
and
wave
these
for
habitat.
AA
AA
AA
R
Would
like
to
add
some
comments
as
well.
I
I
also
appreciate
the
mission
and
everything
that
habitat
does
for
the
families
and
the
City
of
Des
Moines,
and
we
have
established
a
precedent
whenever
we
have
a
habitat
project
that
we
we
seek
ways
to
be
able
to
accept
whether
it's
a
garage
for
a
shed
or
whatever
the
case
may
be
that'd
be
be
constraining
the
project
itself,
so
I
I
will
continue
to
promote
that.
In
this
case,
I
will
be
in
support
of
staff.
I
think
there
have
a
lot
of
waiver.
R
There
have
been
a
lot
of
waivers
that
have
been
given
already.
We
talked
about
the
Landscaping,
we
talked
about
not
providing
one
on
Main
Street
as
far
as
sidewalk
goes
in
addition
to
the
other
two
requests,
so
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
when
it
comes
to
sidewalks,
as
Carol
mentioned,
we're
investing
a
lot
of
money
on
the
trail,
that's
going
to
be
right
at
the
end
of
Indiana
Avenue,
there
are
sidewalk,
there's
a
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
this
property.
R
This
will
provide
another
property
with
that
sidewalk
connection
and
eventually,
when
the
other
two
or
three
properties
that
are
east
of
this
site,
we
will
have
a
sidewalk
connection
to
that
trail
and
we
have
already
discussed
the
impacts
of
Ohio
street,
so
I
don't
have
to
go
into
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that.
That's
why
I
will
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
along
with
the
waivers
that
they
have
included
in
that
list.
B
C
A
B
AB
The
last
item
there
is
a
mistake:
there's
a
typo
on
the
staff
recommendation
with
the
requirement
to
install
sidewalk
along
Main
Street.
So
it's
a
it
says
it
in
the
top
too,
that
it's
waive
the
requirement.
There's
a
typo
below
it
should
be.
Staff
does
not
support
waiving
the
requirement
along
Indiana,
Avenue
and
Ohio
Street.
C
AB
B
C
No
but
I
I
think
we've
got
rolling
on
the
meeting
and
we
didn't
I,
don't
know
that
we
really
welcomed
Carol
I
think
is
I.
Think
part
of
the
problem
is,
we
all
know
her
right.
Yeah
yeah,
dory's
last
meeting
was
in
December.
We
gave
her
a
big
big
round
of
applause,
so
welcome
aboard
officially
Carol,
but
that's
all
I.