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From YouTube: 02-02-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, February 2, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
B
Yeah
no
I
mean
I,
think
we
we
were
for
knowing
what
that
process
was
seems
like
it's
been
unclear
and
I.
Think
we're
told
now
what
is
11
months
ago
that
this
training
was
going
to
make
clear.
How
do
we
raise
those
things?
So
if
we're
saying
the
clarity
is
bring
it
up
at
the
end,
we'll
have
the
discussion
as
a
public.
The
end
outcome
is
the
best
we
can
do
as
a
letter
that
gets
recommend
on
the
city
to
city
council
for
acceptance
or
rejection.
D
E
F
G
A
Thank
you
Jason
and
thanks
Chris
for
the
questions
we
will
get
started
with
the
meeting
Welcome
to
the
February
2nd
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
for
the
city
of
Des,
Moines
I
will
go
over
the
rules
and
procedures
before
we
get
started
the
planet.
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
A
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plans,
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services
department
staff
for
details
on
Council
hearings.
A
A
A
Items
that
are
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendations
of
the
staff
provided
in
the
staff
reports.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
consider
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
A
Anybody
in
the
commission
all
right
item.
One
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
two
is
a
request
from
Hubble
realty
company
represented
by
Steve
Mosley
for
review
and
approval
of
the
preliminary
Platt
Woodmont
on
171
Acres
of
property
in
the
vicinity
of
4425
East
Douglas
Avenue,
which
would
allow
for
development
of
489
one
household
residential
lots.
The
property
is
owned
by
Darlene,
a
Feeney.
A
C
A
A
A
I
Thank
you
and
apologize
for
the
delay.
So
the
item
number
two
before
you
is
a
preliminary
plant,
the
Woodmont
preliminary
plant,
which
is
located
in
the
vicinity
of
4425
East,
Douglas
Avenue,
and
the
requested
action
is
to
look
at
the
proposal
to
develop
this
property
for
489
single-family
residential
lots.
I
So
this
is
the
area
the
subject
property,
so
the
the
plot
that
we
are
looking
at
is
excludes
the
northern
portion
of
the
of
the
area
that
you
see
here.
That's
where
the
town
homes
are
expected
to
go
in
the
The
Proposal
that
you're
looking
at
right
now.
The
plat
is
for
the
generally
the
rest
of
the
area,
which
includes
the
489
single-family
household
units,
and
this
is
just
again
to
orient
you.
I
This
is
East
Douglas,
Avenue
kind
of
on
the
North
Eastern
corner
of
of
the
of
the
city.
This
is
a
huge
area.
It's
roughly
171
Acres,
just
to
give
you
a
scale
of
the
area,
so
just
a
street
view.
As
you
can
see,
the
existing
use
within
the
area
is
mostly
Agricultural
and
some
wooded
drainage
type
uses
on
the
property.
So
it's
undeveloped,
the
again
going
back
to
the
map
here.
I
I
So
this
is
I'll
just
try
to
summarize
here
and
then
we
can.
If
you
have
specific
questions
about
the
various
portions
within
the
plat,
we
could
we
could
come
come
to
come
to
those
Ultra
and
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here.
So
we
can
see,
you
can
see,
there's
a
variety
of
different
single-family
household
lots
that
are
proposed.
The
these
are
the
the
lot
sizes,
so
total
of
489
Lots
over
here.
I
I
And
as
I
had
mentioned
before,
you
can
see
to
the
north
fronting
East
Douglas
Avenue,
Outlet
Z.
This
is
for
the
future
town
homes
and
the
outlot
X.
This
is
to
the
east.
This
is
also
for
the
town
homes,
and
then
this
is
not
what
we
are
considering
in
the
in
the
preliminary
platform.
Today,
it's
the
area
to
the
South
and
so
moving
further
I
might
actually
scroll
down
to
the
to
the
large-scale
development
plan,
which
will
give
us
a
better
idea
of.
I
I
I
I
I
J
I
will
try
and
keep
it
much
shorter
than
10
minutes
good
evening.
Caleb
Smith
I'm,
vice
president
of
land
development
at
Hubble,
Realty
Company,
is
that
better,
okay,
perfect
I,
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add.
We've
been
working
well
with
staff
over
the
past
couple
months
on
this
project.
I've
made
changes
of
trying
to
accommodate
some
of
their
desires
and
some
of
our
desires
and
I
think
we've
come
to
a
really
good
project.
We're
really
excited
to
get
going.
We
are
also
working
on
our
first
plat.
J
Our
first
set
of
CDs
that'll,
be
that
first
cul-de-sac,
if
you
remember
it,
was
up
there
underneath
the
town
home
ground
so
hopefully
soon
we'll
have
some
development
going
out
to
this
year.
Assuming
that
we
get
your
guys's
blessing
tonight,
I'm
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
If
you
have
any
yes,
sir.
J
As
we
were
playing
in
this
development,
obviously
there's
significant
tree
cover
in
through
a
lot
of
these
areas,
some
of
the
locations
there's
going
to
be
some
significant
tree
removal
and
a
lot
of
the
areas
where
there
is
train
drainage
or
significant
trees.
We've
tried
to
plant
around
it,
as
you
recall,
in
the
development
plans,
and
maybe
I
could
scroll
here.
Real
quick.
J
The
density
we've
got
is
what
is
needed
to
make
this
project
work
again,
all
the
trees
we
do
remove.
We
will
comply
with
the
city's
mitigation
plan,
we'll
we
plant
new
trees
to
to
replace
those
as
we
go
down
through
the
road,
but
we've
made
significant
efforts
to
try
and
maintain
as
much
of
that
existing
canopy
as
we
possibly
could
on
this
development.
J
It's
a
really
good
question
only
because
pricing
and
materials
is
difficult
to
project
in
the
single
family.
Lots
I'm,
thinking
the
lowest
in
will
probably
be
in
the
mid
300s
and
obviously
will
have
some
houses
that
go
up
into
the
400s.
A
lot
of
it
depends
on
you
know
what
customer
demand
is
two-story
ranches
all
those
can
drive
different
values,
but
we're
expecting
that
mid
threes.
The
mid
fours
is
probably
the
playground
we'll
be
in
on
this
at
least
the
first
few
phases.
J
At
this
point
in
time,
the
Townhomes
isn't
in
front
of
the
city
for
approval.
Our
anticipated
range
of
those
are
in
the
upper
twos
to
the
300
range,
but
we're
still
continuing
to
revolve
work
on
that
plan.
As
we
get
more
details
we'll
be
happy
to
share
that,
and
obviously
we'll
have
an
application
before
you
for
review.
A
N
J
Will
be
inevitably
one
of
the
things
we
propose
with
this
development
is
to
try
and
get
smaller
Lots
we're
trying
to
propose
the
smaller
Lots,
because
it
allows
us
to
produce
a
product
that
is
going
to
be
more
affordable
to
the
average
buyer
in
the
market.
Right
now,
so
you
will
have
garages
out
in
the
front
because
of
the
width
of
the
Lots.
We're
proposing
will.
J
J
Yeah
and
the
hard
part
about
we're
kind
of
caught
in
this
issue
of
you
know
that
if
you
take
the
garage
away
from
the
front,
you're
definitely
you're
going
to
increase
the
lock
width
and
when
you
increase
the
lot
with
you
increase
the
house
price.
When
you
increase
the
house
price,
you
take
a
bunch
of
buyers
out
of
the
market
that
our
demographics
are
saying
in
this
area.
We
need
to
be
in
that
350
to
450.
If
we're
going
to
be
successful.
So
it's
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
decision.
J
N
Okay
in
the
presentation
it
mentions
Brook
Run
Park
as
being
a
green
space
facility.
That's
in
the
neighborhood
that
Park
is
quite
small
and,
frankly,
not
even
finished,
yet
it
with
all
the
density.
That's
there
already
and
the
489
additional
homes
you're
putting
there.
It
seems
to
me,
there's
really
going
to
be
a
lack
of
just
space
for
kids
to
get
some
running
around
or
playing
or
anything.
Do
you
have
any
plans
to
use
some
of
these
171
Acres
on
play,
Space.
J
As
well
as
we
have
it
set
up
now,
none
of
the
area
in
here
is
being
proposed
to
set
up
for
a
future
city
park.
There
are
opportunities
that
we
could
continue
to
explore
with
City
staff
that
can
open
up
Greenbelt
corridors
or
Trail
areas,
or
things
like
that.
But
at
this
point
in
time
we
don't
have
anything
planned
and
that's
kind
of
been
the
discussions
we've
had
with
staff
and
where
I
think
we're
in
agreement
on
that.
C
Yeah,
the
commission
is
approving
the
plot,
the
the
layout.
What
we
were
doing
in
our
presentation
was
explaining
to
you
what
the
zoning
areas
or
what
the
zoning
is
for
this
area,
which
ties
to
the
different
house
typology
yep,
which
does
the
zoning
to
that's
there
today,
does
allow,
for
you
know,
an
attached
garage
in
the
front.
There
are
parameters
to
that,
but
it's
that's
not
a
decision.
The
commission's
making
tonight.
B
So,
just
to
make
sure
so,
if
approved,
this
would
allow
for
the
garages
on
the
front
because
of
the
actual
zoning
here,
we're
not
affecting
zoning.
We're
just
affecting
the
number
of
sizes
of
lots
that
are
here.
There
will
still
be
all
the
garages
with
on
the
front
is
going
to
be
allowed
as
per
ordinance.
If
this
plot
is
approved
with
no
modification,
is
that
right.
C
A
M
Christian
Archer
I
live
on
East
43rd
Court
to
the
west
of
the
proposed
development.
I
guess
a
couple
of
things,
I
heard
I,
don't
know.
Carol
I
heard
you
mentioned
the
Brook
Run
neighborhood
doesn't
feel
like
Des
Moines.
To
me,
that's
a
good
thing.
There
was
a
lot
of
parts
of
Des
Moines
people
don't
want
to
live
in
and
I
think
having
homes
that
resemble
a
West,
Des
Moines
or
a
Waukee
while
being
in
the
Des
Moines
City
Limits,
exactly
what
people
are
looking
for,
so
I
guess
the
Brook
Run
Part
to
me.
M
That's
a
good
thing,
so
I
guess
I,
don't
know
where
I
don't
understand
that
and
at
some
point
houses
get
more
modern.
So
they're
not
going
to
look
like
the
you
know:
Midtown
Des,
Moines
homes
is
the
detached
one-car
garage.
So
the
times
to
me
are
more
modern
and
that's
good
at
the
houses.
Don't
look
like
they
belong
in
Des
Moines,
a
question
for
Hubble
the
time
frame.
We
had
a
meeting
back
in
the
fall
regarding
all
of
this.
At
a
church
there
pretty
close
to
our
homes,
could.
C
M
M
Well,
I
guess:
the
time
frame
is
important
to
me,
because
unfortunately,
I've
only
lived
there
for
a
couple
of
years,
but
the
best
part
about
that
home
was
not
having
anybody
in
my
backyard.
I
didn't
have
the
25
million
dollars
to
purchase
the
Lance.
Unfortunately,
I
wish
I'd
more
of
a
say
than
I
do.
But
I
just
know
this.
M
Whenever
the
development
comes
I'm
out
of
there,
because
I
don't
think
it's
desirable
for
anybody
in
either
those
respective
neighborhoods
to
sit
on
their
back
deck
when
they're
used
to
nothing
and
all
of
a
sudden
look
at
six
to
eight
homes
on
maybe
a
fifth
of
an
acre
of
a
lot,
which
is
a
very,
very
small
lot.
You're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
kids
are
going
to
be
in
that
area
and
I
mean
Hubble
to
me.
M
They're
not
doing
it
for
the
price
point,
because
at
350
to
450
000
is
the
average
price
point
of
a
brand
new
home
in
any
suburb
in
Des
Moines.
So
to
me
that
seems
no
different
than
Pleasant
Hill
walk
key
Ankeny,
something
a
little
I
guess
taken
back
by
that
that
they
think
it's
a
good
price
point
for
a
lot
of
folks
that
want
to
live
in
the
Des
Moines
City
Limits,
because
to
me
that's
a
lie,
but
I
would
like
to
know
the
time
frame.
I!
M
Guess,
more
importantly,
things
I
can't
really
stop
this
I'm.
Obviously
in
opposition
to
it,
but
like
I
said,
I
didn't
purchase
the
land,
so
not
a
decision
that
I
get
to
make,
but
I
would
like
to
know
because
I
want
to
get
out
of
Dodge
as
soon
as
soon
as
I
can,
which
is
unfortunate.
First
home
buyer
was
in
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
We
found
what
we
were
looking
for,
but
Hubble's
going
to
come
in
and
do
what
Hubble
does
there's
also
a
development
on
Hubble
kind
of
by
the
new
fire
station
there.
M
North
east
of
this
proposed
development.
There
are
some
houses
there
right
now
and
I
know
that
I
think.
If
a
strong
wind
came,
they
would
blow
those
things
over
and
I
know
that's
the
quality
of
home
that
they're
talking
about
right
now.
There's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
those
are
the
houses
that
we're
going
to
see
in
my
backyard
and
unfortunately,
the
house
is
built
around
that,
both
in
Brook
Run
and
on
East
43rd
Court
of
a
much
higher
quality
than
what's
going
to
be
behind
us.
M
J
Good
evening,
Caleb
Smith
again
just
talking
about
where
our
intentions
are
to
how
we're
going
to
develop
through
this
development,
he
is
correct
our
intentions
to
start
with
single
family
on
the
northeast
part
of
development,
which
would
be
this
cul-de-sac
that
sits
right
here.
Our
intention
is
generally
to
follow.
J
46Th
Street
straight
straight
South
through
the
development,
follow
the
spine,
Road,
develop
the
east
side
and
then
we'll
come
up
onto
the
west
side,
so
it'll
be
several
years
before
we
ultimately
get
on
the
western
end
of
the
development.
Our
projected
timeline
right
now,
so
probably
a
15-year
development
for
us,
so
we'll
be
here
for
a
while.
So
it's
not
a
plaid
every
year,
there'll
be
a
couple
years.
We
skip
based
off
size
of
plats
and
things
like
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Anybody
else
may
have.
J
Usually
three
to
four
bedroom,
depending
on
obviously
the
footprints
that
we
go
with.
We've
got
about
eight
to
ten
I,
don't
apologize!
I,
don't
have
the
products
with
me
tonight,
but
we
have
about
eight
to
ten
product
types
that
we're
targeting
for
this
I
will
say
one
of
the
things
we
do
is
we
continue
to
evaluate
our
product
and
what's
what's
working
in
the
market,
so
that
could
evolve
over
the
different
phases
through
the
development.
But
right
now
we're
looking
about
eight
to
ten
three
to
four
bedroom
units.
J
O
J
Yeah
so
the
side
setbacks
here
and
we're
proposing
five
and
five
for
the
side
setbacks,
so
they
will
be
closer
lot.
Sizes
do
vary,
and
one
of
the
things
we've
noticed
in
the
market
is
that
if
you
have
a
different
variety
of
lot
sizes
allow
you
to
bring
different
products
that
seems
to
hit
the
market
better.
Some
Lots
will
be
smaller
in
that
7
000
square
foot,
some
will
be.
Ten
thousand.
Some
will
be
a
little
larger
than
that
in
this
first
phase,
I
think
there's
significant
variety
of
all
those.
O
C
Yes,
we
have
to
the
the
large-scale
development
plan,
which
is
the
administrative
review,
so
that'll
come
into
play.
Those
setbacks
will
really
come
into
play
when
that
building
permit
requests
are
come
in
for
each
one
of
those
houses.
That's
when
we
typically
look
at
site
in
a
in
a
situation
where
you're
already
in
a
developed
area.
If
we
had
an
infill
house,
you
know
typically
we're
looking
at
setbacks.
We
might
consider
relief
individually
at
the
building
permit
phase.
K
H
M
C
Looks
like
maybe
lots
are
in
the
width
range
of
60
to
65
feet.
Does
that
sound?
Well,
we
can't
we
can
hear
you,
but
nobody
else
can
hear
you.
Brick
run
to
the
east,
had
smaller
setbacks
as
part
of
that
development,
both
and
the
setback
of
the
house
and
the
street,
but
also
the
lot
which
being
narrower.
C
B
While
we're
looking
at
that
one
procedural
question,
I
guess
so,
if
this
is
approved
here
and
it's
a
15-year
project,
would
any
changes
to
ordinance?
Would
this
site
be
protected
from
any
changes
to
ordinance
over
the
next
15
years
like
if
there's
any
change
in
the
ordinance?
Does
this
grandfather
anything
in
here
like
let's
say,
Carol,
wins
out
and
there's
no
more
front
garages?
C
C
B
B
Mean
so
right
here,
if
we're
setting
it
here
in
code
changes,
would
they
have
to
come
back
up?
So
let's
say
the
east
side
is
done.
The
next
five
years
in
seven
years,
there's
a
significant
code
change
with
the
west
side.
That
isn't
done
yet
be
impacted
by
that
new
code,
or
would
it
always
be
governed
because
we
approve
it
tonight
by
what's
in
play
right
now,
the.
C
Platting
lot
size
will
be
is
completely
governed
by
this
plot.
So
that's
we're
making
a
decision
on
the
plot.
We
are
working
with
the
applicant
to
do
large-scale
development
plan
that
account
that's
based
off
of
our
current
house
typology
to
in
advance
to
give
them
some
certainty
as
to
how
our
reviews
will
look.
We
are
pre-reviewing
a
house
plan
types
and
and
going
through
okay.
O
O
J
Yeah,
so
on
the
west
side,
for
example,
for
the
west
side
of
the
development
there's
a
whole
row
of
lots
here.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
it
up
real
quick
for
you,
so
you
guys
can
see
they're
averaging
6
500
square
feet
in
size.
The
corner
Lots,
obviously
are
always
a
little
bit
bigger
because
of
the
increased
side
yard
setback.
But
all
these
lots
are
68.90.
J
I
apologize,
I
need
to
get
some
new
glasses
and
there's
some
that
are
a
little
smaller
but
you're,
seeing
you
know,
64
to
almost
7
000
square
foot
all
along
this
quarter
and
I'll
say
that
those
are
on
the
smaller
end
for
the
Lots
we're
proposing.
If
you
look
throughout
the
development,
you'll
see
other
ones
that
are
going
up
from
there,
so
we
really
we're
really
trying
to
implement
this.
We've
implemented
this
on
several
other
developments,
where
we
have
multiple
lot
sizes.
J
So
it's
not
just
all
the
cookie
cutter,
60
foot,
lots
and
we've
discovered
that
it
actually
drives
a
lot
of
interest
drives
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
different
product
types
out
here,
so
we're
trying
to
apply
it
here.
Answer
your
question
about
the
preliminary
plot,
so
I've
only
been
with
Hubble
for
about
a
year,
but
I've
worked
with
Hubble
for
20
years
prior
as
a
Consulting
engineer,
there's
a
high
likelihood
we'll
come
back
in
and
we'll
be
talking
about
this.
J
So
if
you
get
a
code
change
with
with
your
zoning
order
to
something
else
like
that,
there's
a
chance
we'll
come
back
in
because
we
have
a
new
vision.
We
have
new
ideas.
You
know
things
are
constantly
involving
our
world.
If
we
have
a
way
to
improve
this
development
with
the
change
we'll
be
back
at
some
point
in
time,
most
likely
I,
don't
think
it'll
be
for
a
while,
but
you
never
know
so.
O
J
It's
hard
to
say
and
I
say
it's
hard
to
say
because
I
don't
know
what
development
you're
specifically
talking
about
it
with
five
foot
side
setbacks.
If
you
build
right
up
to
envelope,
you're
gonna
have
10
foot
between
the
houses
it
is.
It
is
kind
of
tight.
There
are
developments
out
there
where
they
each
they
are
even
closer
than
that,
and
they
have
firewalls
in
the
house
that
they
put
in
to
allow
them
to
be
closer.
So
I
don't
know.
J
H
H
O
N
G
Yes,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Bert
Ross
planning
staff
for
the
city.
The
item
before
you
is
request
to
amend
the
Southdale
PUD
concept
plan
to
allow
the
Home
Depot
store
to
continue
to
store
some
small
storage
sheds
that
they
have
for
sale
out
in
the
parking
lot
in
front
of
their
building.
So
the
subject
property
is
like
I
said:
is
the
Home
Depot
on
Southeast
14th
Street?
You
can
kind
of
see
I
guess.
G
This
next
slide
here
now
North
is
to
the
right.
So,
if
you
picture
where
they're
wanting
to
keep
them
is
in
this
area
right
here,
that's
yellow
I
just
point
out
that
right
now
they
have
the
approvals
to
store
them
in
the
green
area
right
in
front
of
the
building
and
then
as
I'll,
get
to
in
our
staff
recommendation.
There's
an
outdoor
area
right
here
where
they
have
their
lawn
and
garden
and
their
plants
and
their
seasonal
sales,
I
guess
just
Flash
Forward.
G
Our
recommendation
is
that
they
relocate
the
storage
sheds
to
this
area
over
here,
that's
already
approved
for
the
outdoor
merchandising,
but
again
here's
another
view
of
where
they're
wanting
to
keep
them.
You
can
see
they
would
take
up
about
nine
parking
spaces
in
the
parking
lot.
They
would
leave
about
six
spaces
here
between
I
guess,
the
front
of
the
building
and
those
storage
sheds.
G
G
This
is
looking
from
the
north
to
the
South,
so
you
can
see
they
currently
have
six
sheds
there,
and
then
this
is
looking
back
West
towards
the
building.
If
you
look
closely
in
this
picture,
where
the
cursor
is,
there's
a
shed,
there
I
believe
up
until
this
year
they
had
been,
or
until
last
year
they
had
been
storing
the
buildings
all
along
the
front
of
the
building,
which
is
allowed
just
one
more
photo
yeah
and
here's
that
photo.
That
shows
where
the
other
shed
is
along
the
front.
G
G
G
And
then
here's
our
staff
recommendation
as
I
mentioned
our
recommendation
is
that
they'd
be
allowed
to
have
the
sheds
out
in
the
parking
lot,
but
that
they
keep
them
Consolidated
to
the
area
where
they're
already
allowed
to
do
the
outdoor
merchandising,
it's
just
their
summary
of
their
neighborhood
Outreach
meeting
and
I
guess.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
Any
questions
for
me.
G
Just
feel
it
looks
I
guess:
I,
don't
know
if
cleaner
is
the
word
but
more
organized
to
keep
all
the
outdoor
merchandising
in
the
same
area.
If
you
read
the
staff
recommendation
or
staff
report,
we
did
say
that
you
know
if
the
commission
or,
ultimately
the
council
is
inclined
to
approve
what
they're
requesting
that
we
would
ask
that
a
condition
of
that
be
to
provide
additional
landscaping
around
the
perimeter
of
the
storage
sheds
out
there
just
to
soften
the
appearance,
to
make
it
more
attractive.
A
N
A
P
Thank
you,
I'm
Jeremy,
Stroud
I'm,
the
store
manager
at
the
Home
Depot
at
4800,
Southeast,
14th,
Street,
I'm,
requesting
that
we
can
get
the
approval
for
the
plan
b
or
the
second
recommendation
from
the
staff.
A
couple
of
reasons
for
that
we've
outgrown
the
seasonal
selling
space.
That's
already
been
approved,
clear
back
in
the
early
or
late
1990s
on
there
moving
the
sheds
off
the
front.
Apron
is
how
we
ended
up
with
the
citation
there,
the
location
you're,
looking
at
the
back
of
the
sheds
from
from
that
shop.
P
That's
on
the
screen
right
now
that
allowed
us
to
have
more
sellable
space
at
the
front
of
the
store.
Furthermore,
moving
the
sheds
to
the
North
End
of
the
lot
eats
up
the
summer
selling
space
that
we
have
there
and
we've
outgrown
that
space.
That
we've
got.
That
was
the
secondary
reason
for
moving
them
to
this
location.
They
would
take
up
the
same
amount
of
space
in
both
locations
as
something
to
point
out
on
there.
P
We
also
have
had
issues
in
consistently
in
the
past,
with
the
homeless
that
are
in
a
camp,
that's
down
along
eater
Creek,
which
is
just
down
to
the
north
of
the
store
and
when
the
sheds
are
in
that
location,
they're
further
away
from
the
building,
especially
in
the
summer,
those
sheds
will
get
moved
away
from
the
building
to
the
east
to
allow
for
the
bad
goods
and
plants
to
be
closer
to
the
building
for
the
customers
that
are
shopping.
Those,
and
especially
at
that
time.
P
The
sheds
in
the
current
location
at
the
South
is
they're.
Pictured
are
more
visible
to
the
customers.
They've
increased
sales
for
that
and,
of
course,
increases
sales
tax
to
go
along
with
that,
and
then,
with
the
staff
recommendation
of
adding
just
meeting
the
requirements
for
the
landscaping
and
making
that
as
they're
sitting
look
permanent
is
something
that
we're
very
willing
to
do
with
that.
On
that
piece,
there.
K
P
The
flip
side
of
that
the
sheds
in
their
location
could
stay
and
not
move.
If
they're
in
that
north
end
of
the
parking
lot,
we
would
either
set
them
far
away
from
the
store
and
lose
the
ability
to
meet
customers
out.
There
would
make
it
harder
to
be
customers
out
there
to
show
off
that
product
or
we
be
moving
them
twice
a
year.
N
P
We'd
like
to
leave
them
yeah,
so
this
location,
where
they're
currently
at
and
we
would
like
permission
to
leave
them
there.
The
sellable
space,
that's
approved
that
was
approved
in
the
1990s,
is
this
area
here,
and
my
point
with
this
is
in
in
the
spring.
This
area
fills
up
and
we
would
want
to
push
those
sheds
from
up
close
to
the
building
to
the
back
side
to
the
east.
Down
towards
this
curb
right
here,
which
would
require
moving
those
back
and
forth.
It
is
something
we
can
do
yes,
but
it
wouldn't
make
them
permanent.
P
It
would
mean
that
we're
we're
moving
them
twice
a
year
over
here.
If
we
were
to
do
the
Landscaping
that
we've
been
that
has
been
suggested
on
the
secondary
plan,
then
they
would
stay
here.
They
would
be
permanent
in
that
location.
One
other
small
point
on
here:
the
single
shed
that
was
pictured
up
along
the
building
was
one
of
the
last
ones
that
we
had
was
a
clearance
shed
that
has
been
sold
and
gone.
N
P
C
B
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
it,
obviously
we're
not
on
consent,
because
we're
in
slight
disagreement,
it
sounds
like
what
staff
is
almost
saying.
They're
happy
with
is
to
not
do
one
to
require
two
and
you're
okay
with
two,
which
is
the
planting
around
it.
As
long
as
you
can
have
it
on
the
south.
There
is
that
is.
C
C
Well,
we
recommended
what
our
actual
recommendation
is
is
that
we
feel
it'd
be
best
for
the
site
as
far
as
keeping
it
organized
to
have
all
the
outdoors
display
sell
stuff
together
and
there's
already
an
existing
area.
However,
we
we
knew
coming
into
this
meeting,
that
there
would
be
discussion.
He
might
provide
additional
information
and,
if
the
commission's
so
inclined
to
based
off
of
his
testimony
to
to
recommend
approval
of
his
requests,
we
would
say
well,
at
least
if,
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
commission,
you
should
also
recommend
some
landscaping
around
it.
B
C
A
Q
B
R
Thanks
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff.
So,
as
you
can
see,
you
probably
saw
in
your
packet
pretty
big
item.
We
got
here
tonight.
So
it's
one
item,
but
we
got
four
sub
items
basically
wedged
within
that.
So
part
A
strictly
relates
to
the
Pud
Amendment,
so
the
property
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
is
within
a
PUD
planned
unit
development.
So
it
does
fall
a
little
bit
different
zoning
patterns
and
Zoning
approvals
than
a
lot
of
the
other
stuff.
R
You
guys
see
that
follows
most
of
the
chapter
135
stuff,
so
talk
about
that
part.
B
is
for
a
Platz.
We
talked
about
another
plat
earlier
tonight,
very
similar,
so
that's
just
to
divide
land,
some
new
public
streets,
so
I'll
show
you
that
and
then
part
C
and
D
are
two
kind
of
jargony
here.
But
final
development
plans
basically
fancy
way
of
saying
site
plan.
So
there's
two
site
plans,
there's
a
plat
and
then
a
PUD
Amendment.
That's
up
for
approval
tonight.
R
So
the
aerial
that
we're
looking
at
here
this
highlighted
area.
This
is
the
area
of
the
Pud.
This
is
the
gray
station
PUD,
so
south
of
MLK,
north
of
Gray's,
Lake,
larger
PUD
area,
so
sub
item,
a
deals
with
amending
one,
the
layout
of
the
Pud,
but
also
the
review
and
approval
procedures,
but
specifically
the
items
that
we're
looking
at
tonight,
the
plat
and
the
development
plans.
R
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor,
those
are
really
concentrated
like
in
this
area
of
the
Pud,
so
I'll
go
slow
just
so
you
can
kind
of
understand
what
we're
talking
about.
It's,
not
the
entire
PD,
it's
just
a
sliver.
So
this
is
a
phased
large-scale
development
and
we're
just
talking
about
this
one
phase
here
tonight.
R
This
is
a
cover
sheet
of
the
existing
PUD.
It's
a
recent
PUD
It's,
relatively
prescriptive,
approved
back
in
2019
finalized.
What
the
applicant
is
intending
on,
what
their
proposal
their
application
to
staff
was
to
strike
out
one
of
the
provisions
provision
number
six
to
waive
review
by
the
plan,
zoning
commission
and
city
council
for
all
final
development
plans
or
or
site
plans,
so
we'll
go
back
to
that
later.
R
This
map
here
is
a
large
scale,
schematic
overview
of
what
we're
looking
at
here
tonight.
I,
really
like
this
map
that
they
provided,
because
it
does
highlight
this
phase
one
here,
so
this
is
already
planted
under
construction.
This
area
over
here
highly
with
my
cursor,
is
what
we're
going
to
be
reviewing
here
tonight.
So
one
of
the
development
plans
is
outlined
here
with
these
two
larger
buildings.
R
This
is,
these
are
two
large
three-story
condo
buildings
about
84
units
got
parking
areas
here
behind
and
then
the
rest
of
the
development
involves
an
extension
of
both
public
streets
as
well
as
some
private
streets
and
pedestrian
Pathways,
as
well
as
some
amenity
spaces.
So
if
you
follow
my
cursor
around
here,
Clubhouse
amenity
type
space
for
residents
of
the
neighborhood,
some
green
spaces,
some
program
spaces
like
a
pool
a
dog
park,
pickleball
courts,
things
of
that
nature.
R
So
we
can
we'll
come
back
to
this
image,
but
just
from
a
high
view,
generally
think
about
extensions
and
public
streets,
some
private
alleys,
some
building
up
some
new
town
homes,
a
couple
larger
buildings
for
some
multi-family
residential
type
development,
really
just
an
extension
of.
What's
already
there
's
just
a
little
bit
more
of
a
detailed
view,
providing
some
Landscaping
showing
some
pedestrian
linkages,
so
I'll
link
on
that
for
a
second.
R
And
so
digging
into
the
staff
report
here
generally
in
terms
of
the
pla
the
development
plans,
the
applicant's
been
pretty
good
to
work
with
their
staff,
I
think
they're,
pretty
much
in
agreement
with
all
the
staff
comments.
Really,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
both
the
development
plans
for
the
town,
home
style
development,
as
well
as
the
larger
scale,
multi-family
type
development.
R
There
are
some
conditions
in
there,
administrative
type
conditions
that
we
did
want
to
put
in
there
in
terms
of
labels
and
some
of
the
final
design
elements
that
we
want
to
see
in
some
of
the
buildings.
The
applicant
has
shown
that
they've
been
pretty
in
agreeance
with
that
staff,
didn't
have
any
concerns
with
any
of
the
street
layouts
or
utility
connections
or
things
of
that
nature,
as
well.
Regarding
the
requests
to
amend
the
Pud,
the
first
part
of
that
request
was
to
slightly
amend
the
alignment
of
Southwest
13th
Street.
R
So
that's
the
street
that
basically
frames
the
development
on
the
west
side
that
comes
down
it'd,
be
a
construction
of
a
new
public
Street.
The
concept
Plan
called
for
that
to
come
straight
down
and
T
intersection
into
Graves
Parkway.
This
revision
just
shows
that
you
just
shift
a
little
bit
slightly
to
create
a
little
bit
more
of
a
cleaner
intersection
with
Grace.
The
other
part
of
the
request
that
the
applicant
had
was
to
amend
the
review
and
approval
process
of
the
Pud
So.
R
R
It
doesn't
really
make
a
distinction
between
the
scale
of
some
of
the
plans
or
I
guess
what
exactly
we're
looking
at
here
and
so
I
think
as
staff
we
took
that
request
in
and
we
do,
we
I
think
we
kind
of
we
understood
it
and
so
I
think
we
worked
with
the
applicant
to
try
to
find
a
position
in
the
Middle
with
that,
and
so
as
staff.
Our
recommendation
was
especially
with
a
lot
of
the
row
home
style
development.
That's
been
seen
around
here.
We
have
a
development,
Rhythm,
that's
been
established.
R
We
have
some
product
types
that
the
applicant
has
established
and
they're
going
to
be
using
pretty
repeatedly.
Staff
is
pretty
comfortable
with
the
design
of
those
and
the
layout
of
those
any
of
the
new
row
home
townhome
style
developments
that'll
be
coming
through
here.
Staff
is
comfortable,
administrating
administratively
reviewing
those
those
don't
necessarily
as
in
staff's
opinion,
don't
necessarily
have
to
see
the
commission
as
well
as
any
amendments
to
previous
development
plans.
So
say
there
was
a
slight
layout
change
that
the
applicant
was
proposing.
Maybe
it
may
be
a
slight
use
change.
R
The
applicant
was
proposing
with
one
of
the
existing
development
plans
as
staff.
We
felt
that
was
appropriate,
that
we
could
review
that
administratively.
However,
with
some
of
the
larger
developments,
maybe
like
a
large
mixed
use
or
like
a
large
multi-family
style
development,
there's
still
some
ambiguity
with
how
the
Pud
is
going
to
develop.
As
we
were
looking
at
the
maps
earlier,
it's
a
pretty
large
area,
there's
a
couple,
more
phases
that
are
coming,
and
so
with
some
of
that
uncertainty
just
really
the
scale
and
the
nature
of
that
development.
R
As
staff
we
still
felt,
it
was
appropriate
to
recommend
at
least
a
plan
and
Zoning
commission
approval
just
to
get
get
that
through
the
public
process.
And
another
important
thing
to
note
too
is
Staff.
We're
not
recommending
city
council
review
of
any
of
this,
so
really
I
think
a
stats
position.
I
mean
you
guys
can
really
relate
to
this
pretty
well
I.
R
Think
really
we're
trying
to
I
guess
kind
of
basically
streamline
the
review
and
approval
process
for
new
site
plans
within
this
PUD
very
similar
to
how
we
do
it
now
so
administrative
level
review,
and
then
a
lot
of
the
larger
projects
would
see
the
commission
if
the
applicant
may
not
be
in
agreement
with
the
commission's
recommendation.
They
would
always
have
the
opportunity
to
appeal
that
to
council,
but
it's
not
necessarily
required
for
them
to
go
to
council.
R
R
This
is
the
notification
map.
There
was
a
PD
Amendment,
so
the
applicant
was
required
to
notify
everybody
within
this
area
and
have
a
neighborhood
meeting
all
at
the
applicant
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
they
can
describe
that,
but
we
didn't
get
any
other
type
of
comments
or
phone
calls
or
emails
or
anything
about
this.
So
that
concludes
this
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
R
The
language,
the
language
yeah,
that's
a
good
I-
was
a
little
vague
in
that
it's
the
language
that
we
use
would
be
like
larger
multi
multi-family
projects,
as
well
as
like
a
mixed
use,
project,
any
type
of
one
household
residential,
so
like
Town,
Homes
row
homes
or
an
amendment
to
an
already
approved
site
development
plan.
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
would
be
administratively
reviewed,
but
like
a
multi-family
or
mixed-use
project.
New
construction
would
be
something
that
would
be
brought
forth
for
the
commission.
B
Are
there
any?
Are
there
any
requirements
in
here
or
any
any
concern
or
risk
with
respect
to
connectivity?
So,
for
example,
this
is
a
large
large
area,
single
developer
and
other
places.
You'll
have
a
single
developer.
I'll
do
a
single
deal
with
one
connectivity
provider
which
reduces
quality,
reduces
competition
and
prevents
potential
future
expansion?
Is
there
anything
in
here
that
ensures
that
that
isn't
baked
in
or
is
there
any
concern,
that's
being
looked
at
with
anything?
R
B
C
K
R
C
C
C
This
this
this
layout
is
from
the
is.
It
represents
the
what
the
entire
PUD
conceptual
plan
encompasses.
So
there
was
when
this
first
came
through.
You
know
we
established
the
road
Network
and
generally
the
different
different
development
typologies,
whether
it's
mixed
use,
multi-family
or
the
row
home
style
product,
and
but
there
was
a
lot
when
this
first
came
through.
There
was
still
a
lot
to
be
discussed
as
to
what
buildings
look
like,
and
so
as
part
of
the
zoning.
C
C
We
have
a
couple
buildings
on
Tuttle,
and
so
you
know
we're
starting
to
get
a
sense
of
the
project
and
the
development
pattern,
and
so
the
applicants
request
us
to
take
a
second
look
at
that
condition
and
as
staff,
what
we're
recommending
they've
asked
for
it
just
to
be
struck
and
just
puds
without
a
specific
condition.
A
PUD
concept.
Excuse
me
the
Pud
development
plans,
which
is
the
site
plans.
Those
are
reviewed
administratively
unless
there's
a
specific
condition
on
a
PD
like
this
one
happens,
to
have
a
specific
condition.
C
So
they're
asking
us
they're
they're
their
proposal
just
said:
let's
just
strike
that
and
go
with
all
the
mystery
review
as
staff.
What
we're
suggesting
is
that
makes
sense
to
us
for
the
row
homes
but
where
we
have
multi-family,
particularly
as
you
think
about
the
buildings
along
the
Beltway
and
what
those
may
or
may
not
end
up
being.
We
just
felt
that
there
was
a
need
to
not
take
this
to
city
council
for
their
review.
C
That's
a
little
onerous,
but
have
a
discussion
at
the
at
the
commission
level
have
noticed
the
neighbors
for
those
kind
of
mixed-use
multi-family
buildings,
so
the
in
this
drawing
here
that
would
reflect
the
future
gray.
Buildings
really
I.
Think
you
have
one:
that's
the
pinks
pink
is
the
mixed
use,
so
there's
a
couple
pad
sites
for
mixed
use
down
by
the
trail
where
the
trail
comes
through
in
the
south
West
corner,
but
all
that
tan
area
is
the
row
Home
Products,
which
we
were.
We
believe
there's
an
established
pattern.
K
A
C
A
B
How
would
you
administratively
would
you
I
mean
how
different
is
different?
I
mean,
like
often
you'll
come
in,
here's
the
exact
same
plan
we
get
the
same
box
over
and
over
and
over
right.
If
we're
saying
it
looks
like
the
exact
same
box,
I
could
just
move
that
plan
down
there,
we're
saying
all
right.
It's
the
same
box,
same
drawings,
curved
a
little
slightly
different,
we're
good!
C
Well,
the
the
in
the
Pud,
the
applicant
or
the
developers
created
several
different
designs
and
I'm
sure
so
and
even
with
this
phase,
they've
tweaked
them
so
they're
different
than
the
first
phase,
we're
just
in
as
staff.
We
feel
comfortable
reviewing
those
change.
You
know
reviewing
those
reviewing
them
against
the
standards
that
do
exist
within
the
Pud,
but
also
be
able
to
point
back
to
the
past
discussions
we
had
in
negotiations.
We
had
on
the
earlier
iterations
and
using
those
as
the
foundation
for
making
decisions
moving
forward.
C
Because
the
this
is
PUD
so
that
their
development
has
to
match
the
standards
within
the
Pud
D.
If
we
happen
to
disagree
on
something,
then
you
know
we'd
bring
it
before
the
commission,
but
it's
it
is
negotiated
by
staff.
So
there's
there's
no
standard
wave.
We
just
measured
against
the
standards
in
the
Pud.
C
C
E
C
A
C
A
J
Yep
good
evening,
Caleb
Smith
with
Hubble
realty
company
6900
West
Town
Parkway
in
West,
Des
Moines.
Thank
you
tonight.
This
is
a
one
of
our
Flagship
projects.
We're
really
excited
about
this.
We're
really
excited
to
be
looking
at
coming
on,
with
an
additional
phase
wanted
to
talk
about
the
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
change
and
the
Clause
of
how
things
are
approved,
and
it's
just
as
an
example
for
you,
our
link
project
just
up
there
off
the
edge
of
the
page.
J
When
we
originally
planned
it
out.
We
had
a
park
and
field
plan.
We
had
some
parking
issues,
so
we
investigated
a
plan
to
find
out.
How
can
we
add
more
parking
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
satisfy
the
demand
and
needs
that
we
were
seeing
there
because
of
the
way
the
Pud
was
written.
A
Simple,
re-striping
Plan
had
to
come
back
to
pnz
would
have
to
go
to
council
for
approval
because
of
that
single
clause.
J
We
thought,
as
we're
going
through
this
as
we're
amending
this
PUD,
to
accommodate
the
changes
in
the
layouts
that
we
that
were
proposing.
We
thought
it
might
make
sense
to
consider
talking
about
it.
I
think
staff
has
come
forward
with
what
is
a
very
reasonable
approach
to
it.
I
think
the
town
homes
that
that
that's,
those
those
looks
the
Styles
the
sides,
the
scope-
all
that's
been
well
established.
J
J
I
think
this
will
allow
staff
to
approve
a
parking
lot
restriping
plan
administratively,
because
it
really
doesn't
change
the
overall
appearance
or
scope
of
of
the
site
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
just
helps
keep
moving
things
forward
quickly
for
for
all,
as
far
as
connectivity
and
utilities,
the
overhead
electric,
that
is
a
massive
transmission
line,
we
talked
to
him
about.
What
can
we
move
it?
Can
we
lower
put
underground?
It
was
multi-million
dollar
project
high
high
capacity
lines?
J
It's
it's
really
unfeasible
to
do
it
from
just
an
economic
perspective,
as
well
as
the
danger
of
putting
a
line
like
that
in
the
ground.
Honestly
mid
am
is
not
a
big
supporter
of
that
as
far
as
telecommunication.
Typically,
our
process
is,
we
work
through
the
development
is
once
we
get
past
this
phase.
Sorry
about
that.
With
with
the
city
staff
with
pnz
and
councils,
we
get
those
plans
approved.
That's
when
we
really
get
those
utility
companies
engaged.
We've
already
started
some
of
those
conversations
already.
J
Our
plans
already
include
lots
of
utility
easement
corridors
that
provide
where
those
utilities
can
go.
That
will
supply
all
units
with
all
the
Telecom
connections
they
need.
We
are
putting
conduit
all
throughout
this
development
for
both
electric
and
other
reasons,
and
we
work
with
those
telecom
companies
to
provide
those
for
them
as
well
to
kind
of
minimize
those
impacts
down
the
road.
So
it's
kind
of
a
stage
process
and
we're
just
getting
to
that
point.
J
Where
we'll
be
having
those
conversations
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
the
internet,
they
need,
which
is
very,
very
critical
in
today's
day
and
age
other
than
that
I.
Think
Nick
did
a
good
job.
Talking
about
the
staff
report
was
very
thorough,
covered
a
lot
of
the
issues.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
conditions
in
there.
We've
reviewed
that
we've
been
talking
with
staff
I'm
very
comfortable
that
we've
come
to
resolution
on
that
very
quickly
and
get
these
plans
wrapped
up
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
K
J
I
am
not
the
one
that
deals
with
a
lot
of
the
horizontal
stuff.
My
world
is
or
the
vertical
stuff
I'm
more.
The
horizontal,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
we
discovered
in
phase
one.
We
learned
a
lot
in
the
first
first
portion
of
this
development
as
you
go
to
the
product
type
that
has
all
the
colored
drawings.
J
You
can
see
a
wide
variety
of
products
out
there,
but
what
we
discovered,
what
sold
best
between
this
and
other
similar
projects
where
there's
those
darker
colors
and
where
some
of
those
changes
we're
proposing
some
of
it
didn't
make
sense
to
me,
but
that's
what
the
data
was
suggesting.
So
we
also
don't
just
base
it
purely
off
of
what
we're
seeing
here
in
the
Metro.
J
We
have
a
network
of
builders
that
were
connected
to
across
the
country
and
we
can
see
these
Trends
across
the
country
coming
we're
just
trying
to
be
proactive
and
responsive
to
it,
and
we
think
this
is
what's
going
to
help
this
project,
be
a
success.
I'd
be
saying
tonight,
I'd
be
lying
if
I
said
we're
we're
happy
with
how
fast
things
have
built
out
there.
So
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
Spur
activity
and
growth
in
this
community.
J
One
of
them
is
change
in
elevations,
some
of
it's
some
of
the
other
community
activities
that
we're
going
to
start
implementing
again
this
year,
we've
got.
We've
got
a
wide
range
of
things,
we're
looking
at
to
try
and
build
more
activity
and
interest
in
this
community,
and
this
is
just
one
of
those
pieces
we
figured
out.
We
think
is
going
to
help
us.
K
J
N
J
J
The
the
area
that's
in
white
kind
of
in
the
upper
left
portion-
that's
that's
our
Telus
project,
that's
also
owned
by
by
individual
Property
Owners.
It
is
not
a
rental
Community
now
can
someone
buy
it
and
rent
it?
Absolutely
they
have
that
right
if
they
buy
it,
but
it
is
not
intended
to
be
a
rental
Community.
We
do
not
intend
to
run
that
as
a
rental
operation.
N
N
J
J
N
N
J
Might
well
maybe
I'll
have
Michael
bialis,
he
works
with
our
development
team
and
the
way
we
kind
of
split
our
world
up
is
my
job
is
to
get
the
ground
ready
for
people
to
start
building
up.
His
team
is
one
of
the
teams
that
helps
do
our
multi-family
products.
I'll.
Ask
him,
come
up
and
he'll
give
you
some
better
answers.
N
S
Good
evening,
Reinhardt
engineer
still
is
on
Advantage
I'm,
the
project
engineer
for
Telus
and
for
the
town
home
project,
so
that
Telus
product
has
84
total
units
with
that
there's
a
total
of
137
parking
spaces.
So
we
have
84
garages
total
on
the
site.
A
few
of
them
are
detached
and
the
majority
of
them
are
attached
from
the
building
so
for
every
unit,
there's
a
garage
space
available
and
then
there's
surface
parking
available
for
for
the
remainder
of
the
development,
so
137
total
spaces
just
for
that
Telus
area.
So.
S
N
F
F
F
F
N
H
H
That's
always
an
option,
but
I
understand
the
need
for
more
parking,
because
if
you
invite
people
over
or
if
you
have
service
people
come,
they
have
nowhere
to
park,
and
that
makes
it
very
challenging
to
live
in
these
urban
areas
where
you
need
people
to
be
able
to
come
over.
But
you
only
have
like
one
garage.
F
And
that
feedback
was
in
line
with
what
we
received
our
last
condominium
project.
The
Edison
over
on
Southwest
7th
Street
is
that
just
there
wasn't
an
open
there
wasn't
enough
overall
parking,
and
so
that's
why
we
tried
to
go
to
the
one-to-one
garage
party
here
and
have
the
additional
surface
space.
N
Are
they
you
can
put
in
your
own
charger,
but
you
got
to
have
all
the
electric
guts
right
to
go
to
that?
Is
that
part
available
the
type
2,
the
level
two
or
type
two
I
can't
remember,
which
one
electrical
X?
You
know,
because
it's
easier
to
put
it
in
right
when
you're
putting
it
in
new.
Are
you
accommodating
for
that
at
all
in
the
garages
we've.
F
N
I
just
think
it's
disappointing
that
you're
not
you're
the
biggest
right
in
the
city
that
you're
not
being
more
green
or
sustainable
or
forward-looking.
You
don't
have
solar
panels
you're
going
to
have
these
big
eight-story
buildings.
Looking
South
you've
got,
you
know
more
than
one-to-one
parking,
you're
you're,
putting
in
not
adequate
bike,
storage,
I!
Think
it's
just
really
disappointing.
O
Definitely
I
went
to
your
guys's
website
and
you're
selling
it
as
a
walkable
bikeable
space,
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
definitely
be
utilized
and
promote
it
more.
But
the
parking
issue
is
a
it's:
it's
it's
bad
and
definitely
as
a
business
owner
down
there.
I
would
like
for
there
to
be
parking,
so
people
can
come,
spend
dollars
and
and
and
then
come
back
and
reuse
it
again.
So
yeah
I
guess
try
to
try
to
find
the
balance,
but
bikeability
would
be
huge
definitely
with
how
many
people
are
in
that
concentrated
area.
S
J
A
R
R
50
increase
in
fifty
percent
of
the
required
Landscaping
there's
a
couple
other
ones
in
there,
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we're
still
working
out,
but
basically
it's
it's
different
tax
abatement
standards
than
what
exists
now.
So
that
was
approved,
but
you
know
couple
Generations
a
couple
iterations
of
tax
abatement
ago
and
so
we're
working
with
them
to
you
know
to
make
sure
that
they
comply
with
that.
Basically,.
A
T
T
T
B
I
think
I
do
agree
with
Carol
and
I
do
think
that
the
strategy
around
the
abatements
near
a
bus
line
like
as
they're
implemented
in
every
other
municipality,
when
you
do
something
like
that,
is
that
we
can
drive
parking
ratios
down
because
we
have
access
to
alternative
uses.
It
would
be
odd
to
go
against
the
logic
of
that
mechanism,
so
I
in
this
case
yeah
do
we
still
have
a
lot
of
parking.
B
We
need
sure
I
I
hear
the
point
that
if
we
have
to
walk
three
blocks,
that
is
not
always
convenient,
but
our
our
parking
issues,
even
in
Sherman
Hill,
are
nothing
compared
to
the
quality
of
the
neighborhoods
when
you
actually
have
them
densified,
so
I
would
hope.
We
aren't
straying
from
the
underlying
strategy
of
why
those
abatements
are
there,
what
we're
looking
to
at
densification
and
what
the
future
of
the
city
should
look
like
now.
It
looks
like
now.