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From YouTube: 03-23-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, March 23, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
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A
Okay?
That
item
item
one
will
stay
on
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number
two:
a
request
from
dento
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
major
preliminary
Platte
Elevate
town
homes
for
property
located
at
508
Indianola
road
for
the
development
of
eleven
one
household
residential
lots.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
discuss
this
item
tonight?
A
A
Okay
item
three
will
remain
on
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number
four:
a
request:
another
request
from
NFC
properties,
for
review
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
and
for
a
type
2
design,
alter
alternative
for
property,
located
802,
Shaw,
Avenue
or
Shaw
Street
for
a
construction
of
a
new
house
type
c.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
discuss
this
item
tonight?
A
All
right
item
number
four
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number,
five
request
from
4021
Properties
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
4019
Ingersoll
Avenue,
building
improvements
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
to
allow
existing
portion
of
the
building
to
be
one
story
in
height.
A
A
Those
item
number
seven,
a
request
from
Noel
Fernandez
for
the
property
located
at
2021
Clark
Street
for
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM
to
amend
plan
DSM,
to
revise
the
future
land
use
classification
to
low
medium
density
residential
and
to
resume
rezone
the
property
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
n52
Neighborhood
district.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
discuss
this
item
tonight?
A
Okay
item
number:
seven
will
be
moved
to
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number:
eight:
a
request
from
Archer
Daniels
Midland
company
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
1935
East
Euclid
Avenue
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM,
to
amend
the
plan,
DSM
plan
to
revise
the
future
land,
use
classification
from
industrial
and
parks
and
open
space
to
Industrial
and
to
rezone
the
property
from
flood
District
to
I2,
Industrial
District
to
all
I2
industrial
district.
To
allow
addition
to
an
existing
structure
and
other
improvements.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
item
8
will
move
to
the
consent.
Agenda
item
number:
nine:
a
request
from
the
Des
Moines
Community
Playhouse
for
review
and
approval
of
a
Second
Amendment
to
the
Des
Moines
Community
Playhouse
PUD
conceptual
plan
for
property
located
at
831
42nd
Street.
So
they
allow
the
construction
of
a
2700
square
foot,
building
Edition
with
Associated
utilities
parking
and
drives
within
the
Pud.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience?
Who
would
like
this
item
discussed
in
the
public
hearing
tonight?
A
A
I
need
to
abstain
from
number
nine.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thanks
foreign
and
now
we
are
going
to
I'm
going
to
request
a
motion
to
approve
the
entire
consent
agenda,
which
is
one
through
five
and
seven
eight
and
nine
so
moved.
Thank
you.
All.
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
again
need
to
abstain
for
number
nine.
Thank
you.
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A
A
F
All
right,
Madam,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
bird
Ross
planning
staff
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines
item
number
10
is
a
request
to
amend
the
airport
Crossroads
PUD
for
one
of
the
parcels
within
that
property
there
is
a
Jehovah's
Witness,
Kingdom
Hall
that
is
proposed
to
be
constructed
there
and
they
need
waiver
of
two
of
the
existing
requirements
of
that
airport
Crossroads
PUD.
The
subject
property
is
located
at
7,
700,
Fleur
Drive.
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F
And
this
is
the
Pud
that
has
been
on
the
books
since
2001..
It
has
quite
a
few
design
standards
here
that
talk
about
prohibited
materials,
I'll
zoom
in
on
that
section,
but
the
Pud
prohibits
composite
Hardie
board
siding
and
it
prohibits
asphalt,
shingles,
which
are
the
two
things
that
the
applicant
has
requested:
waiver
of.
F
So
again,
here's
that
section
that
talks
about
prohibited
building
materials
and
then
right
below
that
talks
about
prohibited
roofing
materials,
so
asphalt
shingles
is
one
of
the
two
types
of
roofing
materials
that
are
prohibited
and
again
the
second
Building
Material
here,
which
is
composite.
Siding
such
as
hardboard
siding,
is
prohibited.
So
they're
wanting
to
amend
the
Pud
to
waive
those
two
requirements
for
this
parcel.
F
So
here's
the
rest
of
the
Pud
it
just
gives
some
typical
building
designs
that
would
be
allowed
in
the
Pud,
and
then
this
is
their
proposed
layout.
For
this
lot,
you
can
see
there
we
they
would
extend
this
Frontage
Road
from
the
dentist
office
to
the
north,
and
they
would
extend
it
all
the
way
across
the
subject
site
down
to
Crossroads
Drive
here
and
then
they
would
be
the
place
of
worship
building
constructed
here
with
the
off
street
parking
lot.
F
Here
are
some
elevations
that
they've
provided
the
staff
recommendation,
which
I'll
get
to
shortly
does
require
them
to
increase
the
number
the
amount
of
masonry
materials
which
the
applicant
has
actually
agreed
with
the
staff
recommendation.
I'll
just
point
it
out
now,
but
the
reason
we
didn't
suggest
that
we
move
to
consent
is
we
did
get
one
letter
in
opposition,
so
we
wanted
to
give
that
neighbor
a
fair
Shake.
F
Again,
here's
what's
being
proposed
and,
as
I
mentioned,
the
staff
recommendation
will
require
that
the
amount
of
brick
be
increased.
Really,
the
meat
of
the
recommendation
is
that
no
more
than
40
percent
of
any
facade
can
be
be
cited
with
that
Hardie
board
material
and
then
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
come
back
to
this,
but
this
is
the
rationale
for
why
they're
wanting
to
have
the
materials
and
then
they
provided
some
examples
of
other
buildings
in
the
Pud
that
they
feel
this
building
would
be
confined
with.
F
Here
are
some
site
photos?
This
is
looking
south
from
the
dentist
office
property
across
the
subject
property.
This
photo
here
is
looking
West
from
fluid
Drive
and
then
the
last
photo
is
looking
North
from
Crossroads
Drive.
You
can
see
the
dentist
office
here
and
then
these
two
photos
are
of
the
dentist
office
and
it
is
the
dentist
who
is
opposed
to
this.
F
F
So,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
staff
recommendation,
we
did
recommend
approval
of
the
amendment.
We
just
recommended
that
these
conditions
apply
the
first
be
that
the
amendment
really
only
applies
to
that
parcel
at
7700
fluid
drive,
and
only
so
long
as
it's
used
for
a
place
of
wardrobe.
So
say
this
proposed
use
doesn't
happen
and
they
sell
the
property
to
another
entity.
F
The
only
way
they
could
take
advantage
of
these
conditions
is,
if
it's
another
place
of
worship
that
goes
on
to
that
property.
But
anyway,
our
conditions
are
one
that
any
roof.
Shingle
must
be
laminated
architectural
type
shingle.
We
felt
that
that
would
in
fact
be
compatible
with
the
other
uses
in
proximity.
F
We've
said
that
the
masonry
base
around
the
perimeter
of
the
building
needs
to
be
at
least
two
feet
of
height
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
administrator.
We
said
the
composite
siding
can
only
be
used
as
a
minor
material,
with
no
more
than
40
percent
of
any
facade
being
cited
with
that
composite
material,
and
then
we
set
the
balance
of
the
building
needs
to
be
cited
with
masonry.
Material
is
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
administrator
and
then
condition.
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H
F
H
F
E
F
H
F
F
F
B
We
did
have
discussions
one
time,
I
think
I'm
early
in
the
process
and
they
can
speak
to
that.
Okay
I
think
they
yeah.
We
encourage
that
I
think
they
decided
made
some
grade
concerns,
but
as
bird
is
noted
with
it
being
zoned
PUD,
the
downside
of
those
of
that
is
that
we
are
somewhat
limited
by
the
the
Notions
and
standards
that
were
adopted
maybe
20
years
ago,
as
things
have
changed.
I
I
H
I
H
I
As
I
understand
that
there's
an
easement
in
place
that
we
actually
have
incorporated
into
design
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
for
the
orientation
of
the
prop
of
the
of
the
building
on
the
site
because
of
that
easement
that
that
driveway,
which
was
established
by
the
oral
surgeon
and
we're
just
gonna,
we
pull
off
of
that.
So.
A
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B
B
A
A
G
B
A
J
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so
you'll
see
here
there's
a
couple
things
that
are
struck
out
so
I'll
explain
that
real
quick
at
least
initially
the
applicant.
They
were
proposing
to
do
a
subdivision,
so
divide
the
property
into
different
Parcels
of
land
they've
rescinded
that
request.
They
took
it
out.
They
don't
want
to
do
that
anymore.
So
part
A
doesn't
apply
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
that
tonight
and
then
in
part
B3,
the
applicant
and
staff.
We
basically
we've
come
to
an
agreement
on
that.
J
The
applicant
has
has
taken
back
that
request,
that's
not
something
that
the
commission
will
be
reviewing
tonight,
so
we're
looking
at
letter
b
and
then
items
one
and
two
so
there's
a
couple
different
items
in
there.
One
of
them
really
has
to
do
with
the
building,
citing
the
placement,
the
site
layout
and
the
other
one
is
much
more
specific
to
the
building.
So
I'll
try
to
tailor
my
presentation
and
chop
it
up.
So
we'll
really
talk
about
it
in
two
separate
parts.
Basically,
so
here's
the
context
or
here's
an
aerial
the
site.
J
So
it's
as
you
can
see
it's
a
relatively
large
site,
it's
about
seven
acres
on
the
Hubble
Avenue
Corridor.
It
sits
about
a
half
mile
Southwest
of
the
Hubble
and
U.S
65
interchange.
If
you
can
visualize
that
so
kind
of
the
Northeast
quadrant
of
the
city,
close
to
Altoona
at
the
intersection
of
Hubble
and
East
46th
Street,
the
applicant
is
really
proposing
to
do
most
of
their
development
kind
of
in
this
area.
J
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor
and
really
leave
the
corner
area
untouched
for
now,
so
here's
some
photos
of
the
site
these
were
taken
yesterday.
This
is
on
East
46th
Street,
looking
South
West
into
the
site,
so
peering
into
it.
That
way,
and
then
here's
another
view.
This
is
taken
from
the
corner
of
East,
46th
and
Hubble.
So,
as
you
can
see
now,
it's
a
vacant
track
to
land.
There's
nothing
there,
so
the
applicant
would
basically
be
starting
from
scratch
in
that
regard,
so
dig
into
the
site.
J
Plane
here
just
want
to
show
the
layout.
So
this
this
site
plan
that
we're
looking
at
here.
It
does
show
the
old
land
subdivision
that
was
proposed.
So
you
can
ignore
that
this
is
all
on
one
parcel
they're
proposing
about
a
7
500
square
foot.
Building
that
would
be
used
as
a
church
as
well
as
an
event
center,
so
think
things
like
weddings
and
birthday
parties
and
and
things
like
that
that
would
be
hosted
there
and
then
a
parking
area
out
front
and
I'll
just
walk
through
some
different
views
of
the
site.
J
So
here's
the
building
so
just
showing
you
some
of
the
the
building
elevations
here
there's
a
mix
of
facade
materials
that
are
proposed
brick
and
Nichi
high
on
the
front
facade
with
some
some
brick
and
each
also
proposing
to
wrap
the
rest
of
the
building
would
be
sided
with
a
24
gauge
metal
panel.
That
would
be
the
same
that
would
be
utilized
on
the
roof.
So
one
of
the
things
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
relief
from
tonight
is
the
use
of
a
exposed,
Fastener
roof
type.
J
So
in
chapter
or
chat,
chapter
135,
Article,
4
city
code,
there's
a
requirement
for
if
you're
going
to
be
using
a
metal,
roof.
I
know
we're
just
talking
about
that.
With
the
last
presentation,
it
has
to
be
what's
called
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof.
Really,
that's
a
fancy
way
of
saying
that
any
Fasteners
to
attach
the
roof
to
the
building,
they're,
concealed
or
they're
hidden,
so
they're
not
exposed.
So
really
the
big
point
of
that
or
the
real
benefit
of
that
is.
Is
it
really
provides
a
lot
more
durability
for
the
roof?
J
It's
a
little
bit
more
expensive
to
install,
but
those
Fasteners
aren't
they're
not
exposed
to
the
elements,
there's
less
penetrations
in
the
roof,
so
less
chances
for
water
in
the
kitchen.
Things
like
that,
so
that's
really
just
behind
that
requirement
in
the
code,
and
so,
as
you
can
see
here,
they're
proposing
to
side
the
side
of
the
building
with
the
same
metal
material
that
they're
that
they're
using
on
the
roof.
So
I
just
wanted
to
explain
that
real,
quick
so
digging
into
the
staff
report.
J
Here
the
the
two
elements
of
relief,
the
first
one
again
more
of
a
layout
site
item
so
for
the
building
type,
it's
a
Civic
building,
type
assembly
type
use,
Church
type
use
they're
not
allowed
to
locate
parking
in
front
of
the
building.
As
you
can
see,
there
was
a
pretty
expensive
parking
lot
there
in
the
front
as
staff
we
offered
sort
of
a
hybrid
recommendation.
So
one
thing
that
we
wanted
to
point
back
to
this
site.
J
It
probably
looks
a
little
bit
familiar
because
the
commission
saw
actually
back
in
August
of
2022
that
was
for
rezoning,
so
the
site
was
previously
in
a
PUD
that
allowed
some
industrial
uses.
They
actually
rezoned
out
of
the
Pud
to
allow
this
use,
and
so
that
was
that
the
zoning
action
and
now
we're
we're
here
to
the
site
plan
portion
of
that
today.
J
They
could
potentially
be
proposing
some
land
subdivisions
and
really
there
could
be
future
buildings
placed
Elsewhere
on
the
site
either
by
the
applicant,
or
they
could
parcel
it
off
and
sell
it
to
basically
other
developers,
and
so
the
site
can
maybe
be
developed
a
little
bit
more
densely
and
intensely
over
time
with
the
site
plan.
Submittal
that
has
changed
so
I
want
to
walk
through
something
here
and
show
us
show
some
visuals
that
show
that.
J
So
this
is
the
exhibit
that
was
shown
to
staff
during
the
initial
conversations
about
a
year
ago,
during
the
pre-application
meeting
when
they
came
to
staff
and
and
said
okay.
This
is
what
we
want
to
do.
How
do
we
accomplish
that?
What
do
we
do
for
that,
and
so
this
is
what
was
shown
to
staff
during
those
initial
preliminary
meetings
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
got
a
building.
That's
set
a
little
bit
further
back
from
the
street.
J
We
have
a
little
bit
of
a
smaller
parking
area
and
we
have
a
lot
more
space
in
between
the
edge
of
the
parking
area
and
the
right-of-way
here
about
268
feet,
which
is
ample
room
if
they
ever
wanted
to
build
another
building
there
or
if
they
wanted
to
parcel
that
off
and
sell
it
to
somebody
else
for
future
site
development
and
then
moving
on.
So
this
is
what
was
presented
during
the
rezoning
phase
so
back
in
August.
J
This
is
what
the
commission
saw
during
their
presentation
then,
and
so
similar
layout
building
scooch
may
be
a
little
bit.
Closer
parking
lot
has
expanded
a
little
bit,
but
there's
still
over
200
feet
there
between
the
edge
of
the
parking
area
and
then
the
right-of-way
and
so
still
ample
opportunity
to
maybe
parcel
that
off
in
the
future,
sell
to
somebody
else.
J
You
know
this
might
be
a
more
auto-dominated
context
of
the
city.
It's
a
it's
a
vacant
site.
Now,
it's
a
large
site,
but
we
still
felt
that
with
the
site
development
with
a
large
site
like
this,
the
site
should
be
developed
in
a
little
bit
more
of
an
efficient
manner.
And
that's
not
that's
something.
That's
necessarily
an
opinion
of
Staff,
that's
something
that's
actually
followed
through
and
playing
DSM.
J
So
as
staff
thinking
about
all
that,
all
those
things
I
know
has
ramble
a
little
bit,
but
as
staff,
our
recommendation
really
boils
down
to.
We
don't
really
have
an
issue
with
parking
being
provided
inside
or
in
front
of
the
building.
We
understand
how
the
applicant
is
going
to
use
the
site.
We
understand
this
unique
user
they're
going
to
have
some
different
events
and
things
like
that.
It
was
really
unfeasible
for
them
to
maybe
place
the
parking
behind
the
building.
J
J
We
really
don't
want
to
see
the
site,
be
fully
developed,
fully
built
out
and
really
locked
in
a
development
pattern
with
a
huge
expansive
parking
in
the
front
and
no
chance
to
really
identify
or
add
new
buildings
in
the
front
there,
and
we
don't
have
a
timeline
on
that,
but
we're
just
trying
to
plan
future
Horizons
decades
from
now.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
develop
in
a
way
where
we
can
add
buildings,
add
density
and
not
really,
like
I
said
before,
lock
in
a
large
parking
lot
on
a
really
large
parcel.
J
So
our
recommendation
for
part
one
of
the
design
Alternatives
that
were
requested,
where
we
support
the
request
on
the
condition
that
they
leave
at
least
150
feet
between
the
edge
of
the
parking
and
the
existing
right-of-way
for
future
site
development.
So
a
new
building
could
be
placed
there.
We
felt
that
that
was
realistic
and
then
the
design
alternative
relates
to
the
building.
J
Again,
like
I
was
talking
about
a
little
bit
earlier,
was
related
to
the
use
of
the
exposed,
Fastener
roof
and
so
like
I
walked
through
a
little
bit
before
the
code
requires
a
standing,
seam
roof
and
really
the
point
of
that.
It's
not
necessarily
aesthetic,
although
that
is
something
that
does
come
along
with
that.
J
J
So
in
front
in
front
of
the
building,
so
as
staff
we
would
have
been
okay
with
parking
in
front
of
the
building,
provided
that
it
we
have
that
setback.
You
know.
So
it's
not
70
feet
from
the
right-of-way,
but
there's
at
least
150
foot
set
back
there
to
allow
a
future
building
future
site
development
there
in
the
future.
Yeah.
B
So
I
think,
if
I
could
just
add
on
to
that
I
think.
The
premise
of
our
recommendation
is
that
by
having
that
setback
a
little
bit
further,
it
allows
the
opportunity
for
a
building
to
be
constructed
in
the
future,
which
is
what
we
saw
at
the
rezoning
stage.
That
would
actually
block
that
parking
or
Shield
that
parking
and
create
a
development
pattern.
That's
both
more
dense,
but
also
achieve
the
goals
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
parking,
which
is
to
have
it
more
on
the
sides
in
the
room.
J
H
J
H
J
J
K
Hi
Robert
Cramer,
1715,
fig
and
Adele
and
we're
the
developer
of
the
project.
My
wife
and
I
bought
this
very
unique
property
and,
as
you
recall,
we
were
back
here
last
year
doing
the
rezoning.
So
our
vision
is
that
we,
we
are
already
donated
this
property
to
a
non-profit,
and
this
nonprofit
is
going
to
build
this
Event
Center
to
use
for
a
church
and
then
also
do
weddings
and
that
kind
of
thing
I
think
it's
probably
one
of
the
few
uses
that
maybe
could
go
on
this
property
because
of
that
unique
triangle.
K
Shape
is
probably
why
it
hasn't
sold
for
quite
a
while
and,
as
Nick
pointed
out
by
the
way,
City
staff
has
been
very
good
to
work
with
and
Nick's
been
very
good.
We're
trying
to
kind
of
nestle
that
event
center
back
in
there.
Try
to
get
some
seclusion
take
advantage
of
the
trees
that
are
around
it
and
get
away
from
you
know,
so
it
wouldn't
bother.
K
K
And
one
other
thing:
Nick:
let's
first
talk
about
the
the
roofing
material.
We
have
already
just
changed
our
mind
and
we
will
spend
the
extra
money
it's
about
30
40
000
and
go
to
a
standing
seam
roof.
So
we
can
we're
in
we're
in
agreement
with
City,
on
that
we'll
do
a
standing,
seam
roof,
we've
already
kind
of
made
the
change
on
the
siding
stuff.
So
we're
agreement
on
that.
K
So
really
we're
down
to
the
only
disagreement
would
be
this
parking
issue
where
we
start
is
where
we
started
and
you
can
see
we
kind
of
have
the
building
in
the
trees.
We
also
had
kind
of
a
play
area
here
between
the
trees
and
then
our
detention
was
in
the
trees.
So
it
was
going
to
be
a
very
large
tree
removal
process.
One
of
the
things
I
thought
I
heard
from
the
city
was
electric.
You
don't
want
to
really
get
rid
of
trees.
K
We
really
kind
of
like
to
have
the
trees
to
have
the
protection
from
the
neighbors
and
assume
the
neighbors
do
too
and
there's
that
tree
mitigation
we
would
have
to
do
if
we
cleared
out
all
the
streets.
So
then
we
went
to
the
next
one.
We
moved
the
the
building
kind
of
out
of
the
trees,
and
this
was
our
next
variation,
so
we
moved
the
building
out
of
the
trees,
but
our
detention
area
still
would
require
some
clearing
and
we
decided
to
make
a
change
and
go
instead
of
to
a
a
dry
detention.
K
I
thought
it
was
really
for
my
own
benefit
if
I
wanted
to
put
a
building
in
that
corner,
so
I
wasn't
really
thinking
that
we
would
get
shot
down
for
any
of
this.
We
did
this
variation,
but
then
on
the
north
side
of
that
building
is
good
and
I'll.
Show
you
a
rendering
here
in
a
second,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
canopy
and
a
like
12
or
16
foot
patio,
and
what
I
Envision
is.
K
Sometimes
we
go
to
a
wedding,
might
be
a
wedding
inside
the
building
you
go
outside
and
have
a
reception
out
on
the
patio
while
they
flipped
the
room
and
flip
it
to
round
tables
and
have
a
reception.
Well
when
they're
having
that
nice
reception
out
there
I
didn't
want
them
to
come
outside
and
look
at
cars,
you
know
so
then
I
went
to
this
next
variation,
which
was
what
you've
has
been
proposed
and
we
slid
the
parking
lot
down
to
the
edge
of
the
building.
K
So
there's
a
nice
Green
Space
here
where,
when
I,
have
a
reception
out
here
and
I,
see
this
green
space.
It
can
also
be
used
as
a
pond
over
here
kind
of
a
flat
area
and
we
can
have
outdoor
weddings
anywhere
in
this
area
and
and
take
advantage
of
it.
So
all
those
steps
kept
moving
that
parking
farther
to
the
East
and,
yes,
we're
left
with
70
feet,
which
is
not
very
useful
for
a
building.
K
K
You
know
up
here
and
I
found
out
that
you
have
to
the
land
has
to
be
contiguous
and
so
I'm
trying
to
work
through
all
that,
but
but
still
our
attempt
would
be
to
sell
this
piece
but
yeah.
You
know.
If
someone
wanted
to
put
a
building
here
in
the
future,
they
could
always
tear
us
a
parking
lot,
but
I
guess
our
feeling
is
that
we're
getting
a
little,
maybe
I.
K
In
our
opinion,
the
city's
kind
of
overstepping
what
we
want
to
do
with
the
land
we
want
to
take
advantage
of
more
green
space,
more
trees.
And
yes,
that
means
we
can't
sell
a
lot
on
the
east
side.
But
you
know
this
is
what
we
think
is
a
good
use
for
this
product.
We
think
it's
we're
taking
a
vacant
piece,
it's
a
very
strange
piece
of
property
and
putting
a
good
use
to
it
and
we're
going
to
sell
off
an
acre
and
a
half
that'll
have
a
business.
K
Then,
when
it's
done
so
we
think
it's
a
very
nice
looking
building
and
there
still
will
be
a
buffer
between
the
the
streets
and
we'll
have
Landscaping
along
that
at
46th
Street,
so
that
you
know
keeping
headlights
and
stuff
from
shining
into
the
neighbors
and
we
have
Landscaping
buffer
on
the
North
side
for
the
same
purpose.
To
kind
of
keep
the
nuisance
away
from
Neighbors,
so
we
feel
like
this.
We
have
a
good
plan
here
and
it's
good
use
of
the
site.
L
M
Excuse
me:
could
you
put
up
the
the
slide
you
just
the
last
one,
please
with
the
Landscaping
I,
have
a
question
about
this.
A
couple
questions,
so
the
shorter
of
the
trees
are
those
talk
about
I
guess.
My
real
question
is
talk
about
the
Landscaping
as
it
is
now
because
it
looks
like
it's
rather
dense
in
terms
of
density
and
height,
and
then
talk
about
the
change
that
one
sees
here
in
the
rendering.
K
Yeah,
you
know
this
is
a
engineer
taking
the
picture
and
trying
to
draw
in
trees
the
the
real
look.
In
fact
we
can
maybe
switch
back
to
the
computer,
that's
what
it
really
looks
like
and
that's
and
those
aren't
and
for
the
most
part
we're
not
touching
those
trees.
So
that's
what
it
looks
like
in
the
Triangle.
M
K
Yeah,
the
capacity
for
the
meeting
space
would
be
three
to
four
hundred
for
a
at
Round
Tables.
It
would
be
like
280.,
so
we
think
could
be
weddings.
It's
always
hard
to
tell
a
church
who
knows
how
big
the
church
is
going
to
get,
but
on
weddings.
I
would
guess
that
most.
In
fact,
we
found
out
the
average
wedding
and
I
was
like
110,
but
could
be
as
big
as
280
for
that's
something
you
could
see
for
you
know
round
tables
reception.
So
you
know
we
have
110
117
spots.
K
K
B
K
C
A
B
J
So
what
they
have
depicted
now
doesn't
have
the
full
like
parking
lot
buffer.
We
would
say
with
like
an
ornamental
fence,
shrubs
grasses
and
trees.
That
would
be
something
that,
as
an
administrative
comment,
we
would
make
them
do
that
to
screen.
If
for
parking
in
front
to
screen
the
parking,
we
would
do
that
right.
B
G
B
B
N
N
B
N
J
Yeah
I
think
generally,
they
just
have
to
revise
the
site
layout,
there's
not
necessarily
hard
and
fast.
They
would
lose
this.
They
would
lose
that
it's
they'd
have
to
revise
the
site
to
ship
things
around.
To
make
sure
the
edge
of
the
parking
is
no
closer
than
150
feet
to
the
property
line
on
East
46th.
A
J
L
That's
a
good
point
because
if
they
expanded
parking
into
there,
there
could
be
more
shared
use
for,
like
the
you
know,
overage
of
Park,
like
the
Beyond
code
level,
parking
that
we're
providing
or
they're
providing
here
so
Nick.
If
they
didn't
have
this
waiver,
they
would
need
to
build
the
building
toward
the
street.
Is
there
a
build
to
no.
J
K
But
really
quick
to
answer
that
question
the
what
it
does
to
us
is.
It
really
hinders
us
on
an
outdoor
wedding.
So
if
we
try
to
ship
that
back
to
where
it
was
and
and
get
to
150
feet,
we're
kind
of
losing
our
Green
Space
there
and
one
of
the
things
when
we
were
studying
all
the
different
venues
in
Des
Moines,
we
think
would
be
the
only
venue
that
can
do
both
an
indoor
and
outdoor
that's
in
the
city
limits
of
Des
Moines.
K
O
J
O
Front
of
the
building,
but
they
can
accommodate
some
additional
parking
south
of
the
building,
which
is
not
an
issue,
should
not
be
an
issue
because
of
everything.
That's
proposed
north
of
the
building.
I
think
this
will
give
us
an
opportunity
to
potentially
have
some
sort
of
share
parking
agreement
with
the
future
property
being
developed.
I
heard
it
was
potentially
retail
that
was
being
proposed.
J
A
N
L
I'll
make
a
motion.
I
think
I
mean
I'll
move
staff
with
the
idea
that
we
should-
or
this
is
an
opportunity
with
staffs
recommendation
to
basically
push
the
stat
push
the
site
to
create
a
shared
use,
parking
solution,
a
retail
solution
down
the
road
would
probably
use
you
know.
Off-Hour
parking
compared
to
this
use,
so
I
think
it's
really
the
right
way
to
go.
We
should
just
put
put
the
pressure
back
on
the
applicant
and
the
design
team
to
solve
this
condition.
So
I'll
move
stuff.
A
A
A
Q
A
Thank
you
all
right.
We
are
moving
on
to
item
number
12,
a
request
from
February
30th
Properties
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
South
Des
Moines,
Vet
Center
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
for
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
601
Army
Post
Road.
We
have
Nick
from
staff
presenting
it
Madam.
J
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so,
as
you
can
see
here,
there's
a
lot
of
design
Alternatives,
just
to
put
it
out
there
right
away.
Parts
a
through
G
staff
and
the
applicant
are
in
agreeance
on
I'm,
not
really
going
to
touch
those
at
all.
I'll
walk
through,
what's
proposed.
If
there's
any
questions
on
any
of
those
I'm
happy
to
answer
them,
but
those
are
all
something
that
staff
in
the
applicant
agree
on.
There's
a
there's,
a
favorable
staff
recommendation
to
all
of
those.
J
J
So
this
site's
the
corner
of
Southwest
6th
and
Army
Post,
it's
about
a
thousand
feet,
East
or
so
of
the
intersection
with
Southwest,
9th
and
Army
Post.
If
people
are
kind
of
familiar
with
that
node
with
that
area
and
then
here's
some
existing
photos,
so
these
were
taken
yesterday.
This
is
a
shot
from
the
south
side
of
Army
Post
looking
to
the
north
and
then
here's
a
shot
from
the
north
just
looking
to
the
South.
So
this
is
the
intersection
of
Southwest
6th,
Street
and
Lally
Street.
J
So
digging
into
the
site
plan
here
just
to
show
you
the
site,
design,
here's
the
building,
that's
proposed.
It's
going
to
be
situated
relatively
close
to
the
corner
here
and
then
the
dog
run
area
that
would
be
basically
attached.
So
this
is
a
fenced-in
area
for
dogs
and
other
animals
to
to
play
in
to
get
exercise
in
a
parking
area
behind
the
tension
area.
That's
situated
here
at
the
corner,
so
just
some
other
views
of
the
site
showing
some
Landscaping.
J
J
So
the
thing
that
I
wanted
to
really
point
out
and
I'll-
probably
pull
up
another
item
here
so
like
I,
said
before
staff
we're
in
support
of
the
request
to
design
Alternatives
and
parts
a
through
G.
The
applicant
has
agreed
to
the
the
conditions
in
those
if,
if
they
were
applicable,
the
big
thing
is
the
trash
enclosure.
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
composite
wood
siding
to
use
for
the
actual
trash
enclosure,
as
well
as
the
gates
so
per
code,
especially
with
a
new
construction.
J
The
requirement
would
be
some
sort
of
masonry
enclosure
that
would
match
what's
on
the
building
as
well
as
metal
gates,
that
are
at
least
18
gauge,
and
then
the
enclosure
would
be
designed
in
a
way
there'd
be
a
pedestrian
entrance,
so
somebody
would
be
taking
out
the
trash,
wouldn't
have
to
open
the
big
Gates
and
then
throw
the
trash
in
there.
They
would
be
able
to
kind
of
go
through
a
little
side
door
or
something
like
that.
J
That
would
allow
for
easier
access
to
the
trash
enclosure
and
really
this
is
again
it's
not
really
necessarily
an
aesthetic
thing
from
staff.
Really
we
have
found
consultations
with
zoning
enforcement
staff
through
the
years
that
these
masonry
enclosures
they
really
hold
up
a
lot
stronger
than
anything,
that's
wood
or
even
a
composite
wood,
and
so
really
it's
a
lot
longer
lasting
in
that
guard
same
thing
with
using
metal
gates
as
opposed
to
the
wood
composite
Gates.
J
The
pedestrian
entrance
is
important
because
it
really
allows
people
to
access
the
trash
enclosure,
Without
Really,
compromising
the
visibility
of
the
insides
both
to
people
within
the
property
and
then
people
outside
of
the
property
too,
because
we
know
those
traction
closure
areas
they
can
sometimes
get
messy,
and
so
it
really
having
a
pedestrian
entrance
really
heightens
the
chance
of
concealing
a
lot
of
that.
And
so
that's
the
rationale
or
the
recommendation
behind
that
feeling
from
staff.
J
I
think
I
got
it,
so
the
applicant
can
speak
more
to
this,
but
it's
the
product
is
called
new
tech
wood,
and
so
this
is
what
would
be
used
on
the
trash
enclosure
both
for
the
actual
enclosure
itself,
but
then
also
for
the
gates
and
really
the
the
rationale
for
the
applicant
is
that
that
would
match
some
of
the
Aesthetics
of
the
building,
and
so
they
really
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
They
really
like
that
congruence
in
that
flow
and
so
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
J
J
H
J
J
J
J
A
L
L
J
So
here's
the
here's,
the
parcel
you
can
see.
This
is
the
property
line
here.
So
typically,
with
most
set
Parcels
most
sites,
the
property
line
would
go
pretty
much
all
the
way
up
to
the
sidewalk
here.
This
is
actually
city
right
away.
So
there's
a
lot
of
Utilities
in
here
and
so
the
actual
parcel
that
they're
able
to
develop
on
is
actually
actually
really
far
set
back
from
the
street.
It's
about
40
feet
from
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
got.
L
J
O
B
Just
from
the
staff
respect
we've
in
general,
even
under
the
previous
code,
the
the
notion
of
using
tracks
we've
saved
that
for
when
people
are
doing
Redevelopment,
you
have
an
existing
site.
Maybe
you're
only
doing
site
improvements
as
a
as
kind
of
an
alternative.
We've
been
fairly
consistent
with
new
construction,
new
development
to
require
the
masonry
walls,
and
so
that's
really
why
you
know:
that's
not
really.
L
R
L
R
Good
evening
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
City
staff
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here
tonight
to
present
this
project.
Thank
you,
Nick,
for
the
summary
of
kind
of
where
we're
at
tonight,
like
Nick
stated
what
we're
intending
to
do
is
provide
a
composite
type
citing
on
this
trash
enclosure.
We
don't
have
any
disagreements
about
adding
a
pedestrian
door.
We
understand
the
points
behind
that
I.
Think
Nick
told
me.
I
can
run
through
this
real,
quick,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
down
this
slide
presentation
to
one
of
the
rendering
pages.
R
To
give
you
an
idea,
it
doesn't
actually
show
up
in
one
of
these
renderings.
Oh,
how
do
I
get
down
here,
I
suppose
I
should
State.
My
name
is
Corey
sharp
I'm,
an
architect
and
principal
with
feh
design.
I'd
be
the
architect
of
record
for
this
project.
Our
office
is
located
at
604,
East,
Grand
Avenue,
so
in
this
lower
image
here,
what
you
see
off
to
the
right
side
here
is
the
dog
run,
the
dog
run
and
the
concealment
or
fencing
around
the
dog
run.
Is
this
same
composite
material?
R
R
The
owner
also
has
a
bit
more
comfort
with
the
ability
to
repair
a
dumpster
enclosure.
That's
made
out
of
a
composite
material
in
lieu
of
a
masonry.
One
I'll
pull
open.
This
sight
line
a
little
bit,
so
you
can
see
kind
of
the
relationship
of
the
trash
enclosure
to
the
dog
run,
so
you
can
see
the
dog
run
just
outside
the
building
here
and
the
trash
enclosure
sort
of
immediately
adjacent
to
it.
R
So,
just
because
of
the
relationship
of
those
pieces,
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
that
the
materials
would
match
the
materials
essentially
is
really
similar
to
a
composite
deck
material.
You
might
find
on
a
sort
of
residential
deck
product,
but
use
them
a
commercial
manner
would
be
installing
this
trash
enclosure.
With
the
solid
steel
frame
that'd
be
cast
in
concrete,
we
feel
it'll
be
more
than
equally
durable
to
a
a
masonry
type
trash
enclosure,
but
we
understand
the
city's
historical
perspective
on
this
topic.
Would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
on
this.
R
P
P
I'm
I'm
proposing
that
really
I
mean
trash
enclosure,
is
of
actual
operable
thing
that
is
hanged
around
every
single
day
by
people
who
aren't
always
careful
and
I'm
I'm,
not
an
architect,
so
I
understand
the
argument
for
how
it
should
look,
but
these
things
get
bent
up
immediately,
which
is
why
I
support
staff's
concept
that
needs
to
be
more
structurally
significant.
Is
there
another
way
to
meet
both
our
objectives
of
it?
Looking
like
you
want,
but
still
meet,
the
actual
structural
needs
that
staff
I
think
is
rightly
identifying
here.
This
is
this
is.
R
Sure
I
guess
I
would
just
suggest
that
we
would
utilize
a
solid
steel
frame
to
support
the
walls
of
the
trash
enclosure
that
would
be
filled
with
mortar
and
grout.
Reinforcing
bar
we've
designed
and
traction
closures
like
this
and
several
other
places
using
that
method
and
have
find
them
have
found
them
to
be
successful.
M
B
I,
don't
know
that
staff
is
recommending
a
specific
material,
we're
just
saying
that
it
should
be
masonry.
You
know
masonry
with
the
steel
Gates
and
whatever
the
masonry
ends
up
and
I
think.
Actually,
we
would
I
think
we
could
sort
through
what
Chris
was
suggesting,
which
is
it's
structurally
masonry,
but
it
has
a
that
that
product
is
a
veneer
for
the
body.
B
I
I
still
I
have
even
where
we've
supported
this
for,
like
existing
sites,
we've
still
required
the
still
Gates,
even
if
the
the
walls
have
been
metal
framing
with
the
tracks
boards,
so
I
I
mean
I
I
think
we
can
work,
we
don't
have
a
I
guess
where
I'm
heading
with
this,
the
staff
doesn't
have
a
specific
material,
we're
saying
to
do
here,
other
than
the
metal
gate
yeah.
That's.
H
Glad
you
agreed
to
a
mandor
because
it
it's
one
of
my
pet
peeves,
because
the
big
doors
are
always
open.
If
that's,
where
employees
are
going
through,
so
utilizing
the
man
doors
I
think
key
to
making
it
keeping
it
look
good.
So
thank
you
and
because
this
seems
to
be
what
I
asked.
Why
do
you
have
twice
as
much
parking
as
needed?
I
mean
dogs,
don't
drive,
obviously
so.
R
It's
a
great
Point
yeah,
with
this
science
facility,
the
city
minimum
parking
amount,
is
17
parking
spaces.
However,
with
this
size
facility,
just
in
order
to
staff
the
building,
we
need
25
spaces
with
the
staff
inside
the
building,
and
you
also
have
appointments
that
happen.
Every
15
minutes
and
I
think
there's
six
or
seven
exam
rooms
inside.
So
you
have
a
thank
you,
a
constant
turning
of
clients
in
and
out
as
well
as
they
have
Doggy
Daycare
at
this
facility.
Q
B
C
C
C
C
B
N
B
N
E
P
Was
just
oh
go
ahead,
I
guess
I
was
saying
yes
to
Justin's
Point.
Yes,
there
was
a
question
with
respect
to
the
gauge
of
the
metal
and
I
believe
we
were
consistent
with
code
because
that
gauge
that
metal
is
significant
in
the
structural
Integrity
of
it,
and
we
don't
want
these
things
bent
up.
Although
the
places
my
understanding
of
how
we
decided
there.
A
A
S
S
Here
that
stand
for
George,
Edward
Morris
that
don't
hit
the
street
years
ago
to
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
ssrp
Southside
revitalization
years
ago.
They
should
be
on
the
books.
Zoning
staff
should
know
that
tax
abatement
is
allowed
on
this
building
five
years
if
it
meets
a
certain
amount
of
percentage
of
Masonry
we're
trying
to
live
and
they
were
trying
to
eliminate
much
metal
buildings
is
what
we
could.
S
You
know
during
the
time
when
we
was
working
with
the
city
of
Des
Moines
on
that
so
I'm
sure
that
that
tax
abatement
is
still
allowed
today.
If
that
percentage
is
you
know,
Mason
areas
used
on
that
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
got
the
city
about
that
or
not,
but
yeah
I
do
feel
you're
gonna
or
you
plan
on
having
a
sidewalk
there
loudly
on
the
Lolly
side.