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From YouTube: 03-02-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, March 02, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
A
So
now
I
will
read
the
public
hearing
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
consent
items
item
number
one
request
from
Park:
Indy
LLC
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
3140
Indianola
Avenue
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
amend
the
comprehensive
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
classification
from
low
density
residential
to
community
mixed
use
and
rezone
it
from
a
neighborhood
District
to
a
neighborhood
mixed
District
to
allow
the
development
of
the
property
with
new,
multiple
household
residential
units.
A
Seeing
none
is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
suing
seeing
none
that
will
remain
on
the
consent?
Agenda
item
number
two:
a
request
from
Meridian
at
Gray's,
Lake,
Gray's,
Landing,
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
Meridian
for
property
located
at
425,
Southwest
11th
Street
for
type
2
design,
alternatives
to
allow
a
primary
Frontage
entrance
and
ground
story
elevation
to
sit
approximately
three
to
five
feet
above
the
sidewalk
elevation
and
to
allow
zero
percent
transparency
for
Visible
basements
on
each
Street
facing
facade.
A
A
Item
number
three:
on
the
consent:
agenda's
request
from
dento
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
Elevate
town
homes
for
property
located
at
508
Indianola
Avenue
for
the
following
type
2
design;
alternatives
to
waive
the
requirement
to
meet
the
front
built
to
Zone.
Waive
the
requirement
to
meet
the
street
side
built
to
zone
of
10
to
15
feet
on
the
southern
building,
reduce
the
minimum
rear
setback.
A
A
B
A
D
Madam,
oh
sorry,
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpey
planning
staff.
If
this
site
plan
looks
familiar,
this
address
looks
familiar.
That's
because
it
is
so.
This
site
came
before
the
commission
back
in
October
of
2021,
and
then
they
got
an
approved
site
plan
back
in
May
of
2022
there's
been
some
new
information
and
some
site
about
some
of
the
site
conditions
at
the
site
that
have
resulted
in
a
revision
to
the
site
plan
and
so
that
that's
necessitated
some
of
the
design
changes
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
here
tonight.
D
So
I'll
try
to
walk
through
that
and
try
to
keep
that
relatively
brief,
and
then
we
can
have
time
for
questions
all
right
so
contextually
here
this
is
in
the
Grays
station
area
of
the
city,
so
south
of
MLK
north
of
Raccoon
River.
We
got
Grays
Lake
Park
that
sits
about
a
quarter
mile
half
mile
to
the
South
here
people
might
be
familiar
with
this
lot.
This
is,
if
you're,
looking
at
the
aerial
up
here,
this
collection
of
buildings.
This
is
CityVille
and
then
up
here
we
have
the
the
Nexus
development.
D
There's
the
there's
a
development
going
on
up
here
at
the
corner
of
Tuttle
and
Southwest
11th.
This
site
has
been
vacant
for
a
while
if
people
have
maybe
walked
or
driven
or
are
ridden
by
this
area
in
route
to
Grace
Grace
Lake
Park,
there
was
a
large
mound
of
soils
here
that
was
here
historically
the
development
team
when
they
knew
that
they
were
gonna,
have
to
grade
and
excavate
at
the
site
that
that
was
going
to
have
to
be
removed.
D
So
that
was
something
that
they
were
totally
planted
for
after
removal
of
those
soils.
However,
they
had
to
test
native
soils
that
were
underneath
there
upon
testing
those
native
soils.
There
was
some
issues
with
some
of
the
stability
of
the
soils
and
then
contaminants
as
well,
and
so
basically
they
had
to
consult
with
idnr
as
well
as
other
their
environmental
consult
team,
basically
to
try
to
figure
out
okay.
How
are
we
going
to
stabilize
the
site?
D
You
know
we
still
want
to
go
forward
with
construction,
but
what's
going
to
be
the
path
forward
here,
the
solution
they
came
up
with
was
basically
to
add
two
feet
of
soils
to
the
entire
site,
so
not
just
in
specific
areas,
but
really
to
stabilize
the
entire
site.
They
wanted
to
cover
it
in
two
feet
of
soil's
blanket
for
the
entire
parcel.
So
the
result
of
that,
basically,
is
that
all
the
site,
improvements
that
are
proposed
and
the
building
are
basically
raised
in
elevated
two
feet
so
what's
proposed.
D
Now
is
really
the
exact
same
as
what
was
proposed
before
in
terms
of
how
the
building
sits
where
the
parking
goes.
The
tenant
amenities
things
like
that
everything
is
just
sitting
two
feet
above
that
and
so
with
that
that
has
brought
on
the
necessitated
relief,
the
relief
that
they're
asking
for
so
the
ground
story,
and
the
entrance
elevation
is
literally
the
same
as
it
was
it's
just
two
feet
higher
and
so
that,
basically,
that
condition
has
brought
on
what
we
call
a
visible
basement
and
per
the
code.
D
The
definition
is
in
between
one
and
a
half
feet
and
half
of
the
basement:
elevation,
that's
above
the
average
rate
of
the
site,
and
so
we'll
look
at
the
elevations,
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
and
I'll
show
you
what
that
means
in
practice.
So
here's
the
site-
and
then
here
is
just
a
more
detailed
view
of
the
site,
shown
the
landscape
plan
just
kind
of
see
what
this
would
maybe
look
like
from
an
aerial
at
full,
build
out
foreign.
D
We
thought
about
it
a
little
bit
we're
supportive
of
the
Quest
for,
for
a
few
reasons,
I
think
along
the
11th
Street
Frontage,
where
this
is
also
in
effect,
they've
got
a
ramping
system.
They've
got
a
sloped
planning
plan.
They've
got
an
entrance
that
is
relatively
strong
at
the
corner.
That
anchors
the
corner.
They've
got
a
pretty
high
degree
of
occupied
space
here,
so
the
the
frontage
is
activated
in
a
different
way.
D
They've
got
a
patio
that
spills
out
on
the
Southwest
11th
Street,
so
we
felt
especially
on
the
11th
Frontage
that
all
those
elements
combine
and
they
really
mitigate
that
effect
of
of
the
entrance
and
that
ground
story
being
raised,
two
feet
higher
and
then
a
little
bit.
Similarly,
here
this
is
the
Murphy
Street
Frontage
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
public
Street
public
facing
facade
here
generally,
as
staff.
We
looked
at
it
and
we
noticed
that
as
you
head
east,
really
that
visible
basement
it
disappears.
D
Then
it
goes
away
entirely
as
you
head
east
and
so
as
staff.
We
didn't
really
feel
that
it
was
necessary
or
maybe
appropriate
to
to
try
to
add
glazing,
but
maybe
it
wouldn't
take
up
the
entire
facade
here
on
the
south
side
that,
coupled
with
the
planning
plan,
we've
got
some
balconies
out
there.
We
felt
that
that
was
rhythmic
enough
and
it
really
kind
of
met
the
intent
of
the
ordinance.
D
D
D
Yeah,
that's
correct,
yeah,
great
great
Point
Carol,
so
that
was
another
reason.
I
think
why
staff
we
looked
at
that
and
we
didn't
feel
that
glazing
was
necessarily
necessary
there,
because
you're
not
looking
into
occupied
space
at
all
you
it
would
be
a
parking
garage.
That's
not
activated
space!
Necessarily,
okay,
thanks.
C
D
Just
thought
of
one:
sorry,
if
you
remember
the
High
Street
Lofts
project
that
came
through
like
a
month
ago
to
the
commission,
like
16th
and
high
40
Union
apartment
building,
four
stories
so
that
ground
story
that
was
or
that
lowest
story
that
was
facing
High
Street.
That
was
actually
below
average
grade.
And
so
that
was
a
basement.
It
was
visible,
and
so
they
did
have
to
provide
transparency
which
which
they
did.
C
D
D
A
I
I
To
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
came
up
before,
yes,
the
overburden
has
been
taken
away,
then
that
allowed
Us
in
June
to
test
deeper
into
the
native
soils
there
that
had
five
pockets
of
lead
that
were
contaminated
and
needed
special
treatment.
So
the
developer
worked
with
idnr
and
the
EPA
to
come
up
with
a
remediation
program
of
how
we
were
going
to
handle
this.
So
then
it
really
entails
them
having
to
treat
it
on
site
and
in
the
whole
and
to
eliminate
hitting
some
of
those
more
Deep
Pockets
of
lead.
I
I
I
So,
specifically
on
Murphy
Street,
where
it's
that
longer
stretch
we,
since
we
bring
it
up
those
two
feet.
We
are
then
going
to
slope
the
Earth
back
up
to
the
building
to
mitigate
as
much
of
that
Precast.
That
will
be
exposed.
So
at
the
worst
case,
at
the
end,
it
is
three
feet
and
at
the
east
side,
it's
all
it's
down
to
eight
inches
of
exposed
Precast,
so
we're
trying
to
mitigate
it
as
much
as
we
can.
I
J
I
Yes,
so
we
had
originally
showed
those
as
they've
always
been
balconies,
but
they
had
stairs
down
to
address
that
public
way,
and
at
that
point
we
felt
that
it
was
an
amenity
and
there's
always
been
a
security
component
to
that.
So,
even
though
we
are
providing
those
stairs
down
to
that
public
way,
there
was
a
fence
to
provide
security
and
it's
the
higher
that
they
got
up
the
more
the
amenity,
Parts
started
to
fade
away
and
it
became
a
bigger
security
and
again
trying
to
create
a
positive
environment
for
The
Pedestrian
walking
down
the
street.
I
I
F
F
Well,
yeah
I
mean
obviously
too,
like
now
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
you're
so
confident.
Frankly,
that
of
that
experience
proposing
is
going
to
look
like
you
say
it's
going
to
look
like
yes,
maybe
I'm
just
used
to
seeing
a
little
bit
more
robust
presentation
yep
than
this,
especially
when
it
relies
on
the
Aesthetics
of
covering
up
Precast,
would.
C
C
I
think
it
might
be
something
that
can
be
pointed
to
it's
I
think
it's
cheap
for
slide.
Four,
there
you
go,
you
might
be
able
to
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
on
here.
In
turn,
both
use
this
as
a
visual,
but
also
verbally
kind
of
describe,
what's
happening
with
the
ground,
and
what's
there
yeah.
I
Can
I
zoom
on
this?
Okay,
yeah?
Okay.
So
what
is
happening
is
at
this
end
over
here.
This
is
when
we're
showing
that
eight
inches
of
Precast
and
then
it
slopes
all
the
way
up
to
at
this
point,
there
would
be
three
feet
about
that
exposed
basement
in
precast,
and
what
we
are
doing
is
to
minimize
that
again
sloping
the
soil
up
to
it,
but
then,
on
top
of
that,
all
of
these
circles
and
bush-like
materials
will
be
planted
up
against
that.
I
So
not
only
are
you
just
getting
a
grassy
Hill
you're
getting
bushes,
something
that
will
also
add
to
that
elevation
and
be
covering
that
up.
So
then,
at
that
point
it's
really
minimal,
because
if
you
can
imagine
that
you
have
a
slope
and
then
on
top
of
it,
you
have
a
brush
you're,
adding
height.
So
then
that
exposed
Precast
really
starts
to
fade
away.
F
F
I
I
Overall,
in
the
site,
we
will
have
some
of
your
more
canopy
trees,
your
evergreen
shrubs
you'll,
have
perennial
grasses
and
all
of
those
as
well,
and
something
that
I
probably
haven't
covered
very
well
is
at
this
point
at
the
corner,
where
everything
comes
together
and
you're.
Having
that
user
experience
of
people
walking
and
entering
that
building,
we
are
also
providing
additional
planting
beds.
We'll
have
more
of
those
grasses
and
seasonal
experiences.
H
I
H
I
H
B
I
M
M
J
M
J
J
N
A
I
N
I
A
On
the
Murphy
Street
side,
the
south
side
of
the
building
about
how
far
down
would
you
say,
they're
retaining
wall
goes
to
this
portion?
Is
it
just
that?
Okay
yep,
just
this
portion
right
here,
so
at
the
end
of
that
retaining
wall?
What's
the
difference
in
height
from
where
the
soil
ends
next
to
the
foundation,
to
the
sidewalk,
like?
What's
that
slope
like
after
the
retaining
wall,
but
yeah.
J
So
one
thing
I
want
to
note
that
I
guess
I
kind
of
appreciate
that
in
the
landscape
solution
this
team
tried
to
bring
forward
an
alternative
instead
of
just
an
exception,
to
eliminate
the
glass
requirement
and
I.
Think
teams
aren't
consistently
doing
that.
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
think
The
Pedestrian
ramp
I'm
not
going
to
add
a
condition
about
that
or
suggested
condition
about
that.
J
But
I
would
suggest
the
design
team
to
consider
that
that
the
accessible
route
could
be
more
sensitively
developed
so
that
it's
not
so
much
longer
than
the
stair
route,
but
I
think.
What's
really
important
is
on
the
the
longest
side
of
this
building.
It's
500
foot
long
facade,
relying
completely
on
landscape
for
The
Pedestrian
experience
for
the
public
Realm
in
in
best
practice,
not
for
code,
but
in
best
practice
you
would
want
to
have
real
pedestrian
activity
or
interest
developed
at
like
a
30-foot
Rhythm.
J
J
G
Madam,
chair
may
I
ask
make
a
suggestion
or
not
a
suggestion,
but
a
comment:
I'm
looking
at
the
screen
and
I
hope
every
yeah
everyone
else
can
too
I
know
that
the
the
developer
has
has
found
a
lot
of
problems.
You
know
perhaps
on
a
unexpected
and
come
up
with
a
solution
that
that
seems
to
be
reasonable
within
their
budget
I'm.
G
Looking
at
this
drawing
and
frankly,
here's
this
retaining
wall
on
the
kind
of
on
the
southern
side
on
the
I
think
the
South
West
corner
of
the
building
and
actually
I
rather
like
it
there,
because
it's
a
big
feature.
It
captures
your
eye
and
it
calls
attention
to
the
main
entrance
to
the
building,
which
is
what
you
know.
Architecture
is
supposed
to
do,
I
think
I'm,
not
an
architect,
but
you
know,
as
a
a
walker
by
I,
would
figure
out
well
there's
where
I'm
supposed
to
go
if
I
want
to
enter
the
main
entrance.
A
O
P
J
J
This
might
be
great,
but
I
think
you
know
per
cost
I
think
they
were
suggesting
they
were
going
to
do
it
out
of
aluminum
steps,
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
they
need
to
be
overburdened
to
like
create
a
you
know,
a
nice
substantial,
concrete
stoop
with
a
rail
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
great.
O
J
C
Q
C
Stuff
now,
yes,
okay,
thank
you!
So
so,
yes,
the
previous
version
had
steps
down
which
that's
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
just
because
I
think
we
just
as
the
commissions
a
lot
you
know
discussing
this
so
because
we
we
do
look
at
and
think
about
access
on
facades,
and
often
we
do
have
kind
of
a
lot.
You
know
if
we're
not
gonna
have
a
main
entrance
on
a
facade,
a
lock-up
style
unit,
something
we
do
look
for.
C
So
that
is
a
change
that
maybe
we
didn't
as
staff
point
out
in
our
presentation
that
these
were
previously
stepped,
but
I
think
the
applicant
is
a
good.
You
know
explain
that
that
elevation
they
felt
that
changed
had
made
it
challenging
for
them
to
continue
on.
With
that
model,
I
was
just
trying
to
clarify
the
discussion
of
what's
been
shared,
so
thank
you.
A
A
C
K
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
Catherine
drahas
planner
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
item
before
you
as
mentioned,
is
located
at
2101
Hall
Avenue.
This
is
located
on
a
corner
with
Delaware
Avenue.
The
property
has
a
split
zoning
on
it.
The
Western
portion
of
the
property
is
industrial,
while
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
property
is
n3a,
and
so
the
request
before
you
tonight
is
for
the
rezoning
of
the
property,
the
subject
property
to
be
entirely
i1
foreign.
K
A
few
site
photos
just
to
give
you
some
context.
This
is
driving
north
on
Delaware
and
then
turning
East
on
to
Hull
avenue
and
then
also
on
Hull
avenue.
Looking
Westward,
the
applicant
did
provide
us
with
a
site
sketch.
They
are
also
going
through
the
site
plan
review
process.
At
the
moment,
let
me
see
just
another
site
sketch
and
then
I'll
skip
ahead.
I
can
zoom
in
on
the
elevations.
K
If
you'd
like
most
of
this
is
staying,
consistent,
I
believe
I
am
going
to
walk
through
a
little
bit
of
a
timeline
to
explain
how
this
property
ended
up
having
the
split
zoning
on
it.
So
bear
with
me
a
little
bit
prior
to
2016
the
property
consisted
of
three
Parcels,
all
of
which
were
zoned
M1
light
industrial
district.
K
The
Eastern
parcel
contained
a
house
which
was
considered
a
legal
non-conforming
use
in
the
M1
District
I've
highlighted
that
in
the
upper
image
that
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
it's
essentially
I
just
highlighted
the
house.
We
don't
have
the
specifics
of
where
the
parcel
lines
were
located
and
this
image
shows
the
existing
parcel
lines.
Today.
Apologies-
that's
not
as
clear
as
it
could
be,
but
that's
what
we
had
available
to
us
on
April
25th
2016
plan
DSM
was
adopted.
It
designated
the
Eastern
Port.
Excuse
me
portion
of
the
parcel
or
excuse
me.
K
It
designated
the
Eastern
parcel
at
the
time
containing
the
house
as
low
density,
residential
and
the
Western
properties
were
designated
industrial.
This
reflected
what
was
on
the
ground
at
the
time
and
during
the
development
of
plan
DSM,
there
was
considerable
conversation
and
attention
paid
to
this
area
to
ensure
that
the
existing
residential
uses
stayed
designated
as
low
density
residential.
K
This
was
something
that
we
heard
from
the
neighborhood
at
the
time
and
we
did
our
best
to
respect
what
existed
on
May
23rd
2016
a
permit
was
issued
to
demolish
the
house
and
soon
after
the
demolition,
the
three
Parcels
were
combined
as
a
single
parcel
on
November
21st
2016,
a
site
plan
was
approved
for
construction
of
a
new
building.
This
was
permitted
since
the
property
was
entirely
zoned,
M1,
light
industrial
district
at
that
time
and
then
on
December
16
2019,
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
adopted
a
new
zoning
map.
K
This
zoning
map
is
required
to
follow
and
agree
with
the
future
land
use
map
that's
adopted,
which
was
the
plan
DSM
land
use
map.
Therefore,
the
area
on
the
future
land
use
map
that
was
designated
as
low
density,
residential
became
zoned,
n3a
a
neighborhood
district
and
then,
of
course,
the
Western
portion
of
the
property
was
zoned
i1
again,
so
that
the
zoning
map
was
in
agreement
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
K
Use
on
the
portion
of
the
property
that
was
zoned
n3a
and
then
the
use
that
we
have
before
us
tonight.
The
change
in
use
of
this
property
that
is
before
us
tonight
is
what
has
triggered
the
requirement
for
both
the
new
site
plan,
which
also
requires
the
rezoning
of
the
Eastern
portion
of
the
property.
N
K
K
This
property
is,
and
has
been,
industrial
is
located
in
an
aerial
area.
That
is
an
industrial
area
predominantly
along
Delaware
Avenue.
It
is
adjoining
a
low
density
residential
area
as
well.
Staff
feels
that,
in
the
best
interests
of
the
comp
plan
to
retain
the
industrial
lands
that
we
have
available
for
industrial
uses,
we
would
recommend
approval
of
this
request,
but
we
have
a
few
little
comments
and
conditions
to
make
given
its
location
against
a
residential
neighborhood.
K
O
K
Were
there
any
comment
cards
from
the
neighbors
I'm?
So
sorry,
so
we
do
have
the
neighborhood
meeting
summary
I
can
zoom
in
on
that,
if
need
be
their
sign-in
sheet,
this
is
the
comprehensive
Amendment
map
and
then
the
consent
map
for
the
rezoning
request,
which
is
where
the
comment
cards
are
sent
out
with.
N
K
K
S
K
The
building
is
already
built,
it
recently
changed
hands
and
the
use
is
changing.
It
was
previously
utilized
as
a
location
for
installation
of
aftermarket
products
on
I
believe
predominantly
motor
bicycles
and
then
now
it's
being
switched
over
for
use
by
a
cleaning
company
that
is
similar
in
mine
to
service
master
or
Surf
Pro
and.
C
But
I
think
we
I'm
not
sure
we
know
how
long
the
building
the
transition
was,
but
there
is
grandfathering
rights
to
that
previous,
a
youth
cylinder
that
could
reoccupy
it,
but
I
I
do
think.
That's
a
fair
question
to
you
know:
ask
we
have
a
commercial
building.
That's
got
a
zoning
line
down
the
middle
of
it
due
to
kind
of
an
unfortunate
circumstance.
H
C
C
E
C
E
C
Yeah
I
think
we've
let
the
applicant
talk
a
little
bit
about
their
business
model
and
how
they
operate.
There
was
also
I.
Think
of
these
pictures.
Of
some
there
was
a
plumbing
permit
that
was
issued
to
allow
some
floor
drain
work
to
be
done,
but
that
does
not
give
the
the
rights
to
occupy
the
building
with
the
new
the
new
use,
but
they
do
have
a
right
to
pull
a
permit
to
do
work
to
a
building
that
exists.
So
that's
that
that
that
is
what
has
caused
I.
B
T
C
The
change
you
use
is
the
new
business
that
has
a
different
it's
a
different
type
of
business,
underneath
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
there's
kind
of
categories
of
of
use
and
so
they're
they're
wanting
to
introduce
a
new
that
new
business
model
to
the
site,
and
so
that
is
a
triggering
event
for
us.
In
the
sense
of
do
we
look
at
zoning,
we
look
at
the
site
plan
and
for
them
to
be
able
to
introduce
that
we'll
have
to
have
this
rezoning
change.
C
You
know
we
would
have
to
sort
through
that
with
our
Zone
enforcement
officer.
That's
really
not
an
interpretation
decision
that
the
planning
staff
makes
I,
think
you
could
set
it
up
that
if
you
could
divide
it
out,
you
know
if
this
became
a
two
tenant
building
and
there's
a
tenant
one
side,
that's
zoned,
and
only
using
the
parking
and
outdoor
area
for
their
part,
I
think
you
could
probably
get
there
and
then
the
other
part
would
be
for
a
different
use
kind
of
like
a
strip
center
but
again
I.
C
A
K
2019.
so
29.,
and
that
rezoning
map
had
to
be
an
agreement
right.
The
comprehensive
plan
map,
okay,
which
had
the
low
density
residential
in
the
Eastern
portion,
which
is
what
it
was
when
the
comprehensive
plan
future
land
use
plan
map,
went
through
adoption
right
and
it
was
still
a
residential
property
okay
and
then,
shortly
after
the
property
was
acquired,
the
house
was
demoed
and
then
the
proper
the
parcels
were
combined,
but
the
land
use
was
never
updated
at
that
time.
Okay,.
A
C
Building
rights,
colloquially
yeah
I,
think
to
boil
this
down
as
far
to
the
bone
as
I
can
so
at
the
time
that
we
were
doing
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
That
was
around
the
same
time.
They
were
starting
to
develop
this
site,
and
so
because
that
was
all
occurring.
Basically,
at
the
same
time,
those
two
efforts
didn't
really
there.
There
was
a
disconnect
there.
The
underlying
zoning
of
all
three
Parcels
Catherine
did
a
good
job
of
talking
about
the
history
of
the
site.
When
we
were,
you
know
the
information
that
we
had
to
develop.
C
C
K
N
A
U
U
We
have
a
business
and
we've
been
doing
this
also
in
Iowa
for
about
the
last
year,
and
then
we
Haul
we've
been
hauling
it
back
to
Minnesota
to
clean
it
and
then,
when
the
homes
are
done,
we
deliver
it
back
here
to
put
in
the
houses
and
businesses
when
it's
complete,
and
so
that's
why
we
decided
to
do
the
expansion
here
to
to
Iowa.
So
the
the
cleaning
methods
that
we
use
are
very,
we
don't
use
any
solvents
or
things
like
that.
U
Basically,
there's
no
cleaning
agents
that
we
use
that
are
any
more
harmful
than
household
cleaning
products.
One
of
the
systems
that
we
use
for
cleaning
is
called
Ultrasonics.
It
uses
sound
waves
that
create
cavitation
bubbles
that
help
you
to
clean
products.
It's
a
alternative
method
to
using
solvents,
like
you
would
in
an
industrial
application
when
cleaning
like
oily
like
engines
or
things
like
that.
U
We
just
happen
to
use
it
on
on
virtually
everything
that
we
can
in
a
in
a
fire
damaged
situation,
so
I
mean
from
a
YouTube
usage
standpoint,
it's
going
to
be
fairly
similar,
I
guess
to
the
previous
occupier
of
the
building.
The
back
half
of
the
building
will
use
be
used
for
storage,
just
as
it
was
previously.
The
only
difference
is,
is
the
front
half
of
the
building
will
be
cleaning
the
contents
in
there
rather
than
they
were
working
on
cars.
U
You
know
which
I
would
assume
would
have
exhaust
issues
and
use
gas
or
fuel
or
oil,
or
things
like
that.
Really,
the
things
that
we
do
is
as
far
as
like
an
older
issue
or
anything
like
that.
It,
the
the
building,
smells
extremely
clean.
That's
what
we
are
as
a
cleaning
company,
so
I,
don't
we
don't
do
anything
I,
think
someone
said
that
they
seen
that
we
did
like
biohazard
or
something
like
that.
I
also
have
a
different
company
in
Minnesota
that
called
24
restore.
U
U
We've
we
have
done
some
work
on
the
building.
I
think
I
wanted
to
sort
of
address
that
and
I
knew
that
there
was
potentially
an
issue,
but
I
had
already
invested
in
the
purchase
of
the
building,
and
so
the
additional
money
that
I
spent
to
do
some
of
the
plumbing
things.
It
was
obviously
a
risk
for
me,
but
I've
already
I'm,
pretty
much
all
in
on
the
purchase
of
the
building
already,
so
it
felt
like
a
a
minor
risk.
At
that
point,.
S
U
I
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know,
I
mean.
Obviously
the
up
back,
half
of
the
building
is
Zone
residential
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
live
in
it.
So
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
that
would
work.
So,
yes,
it
would
be
extremely
extremely
difficult.
I
mean
it's
a
we
paid,
3.2
million
dollars
for
the
building,
so
it
would
be.
U
It
would
be
catastrophic
for
sure
you
know
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
us
moving
to
Iowa
is
we
were
hauling
everything
back
to
Minnesota
a,
but
we
we
ran
out
of
space
in
Minnesota,
so
the
the
opportunity
was
to
expand
their
expand
here.
We
thought
it
was
better
to
expand
here.
We
think
we
provide
a
pretty
amazing
service.
U
You
know
to
the
the
people
after
they
you
know
deal
with
a
disaster.
You
know
you
know
our
tagline
is
saving
memories,
so
you
know
what
we
try
to
do
is
you
know,
save
the
things
that
you
know.
People
love
after
going
through
really
catastrophic
things
in
their
lives,
and
and
so
that's
what
we
we
pride
ourselves
in.
U
We
provide
we
pride
ourselves
in
doing
that
quickly
and
immediately.
We
we
do
clean
their
laundry,
we
clean
things
to
get
them,
even
if
they
have
to
live
in
a
hotel
to
get
them
back
living
the
best
they
can.
After
dealing
with
a
really
horrible
situation,
so
yeah
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
we
would
do
I
mean
we
would
have
to
just
continue
to
operate
in
Minnesota,
then,
yes,
we
would
have
to
sell
the
building.
You
know.
So
it's
it's.
Certainly
an
unfortunate
situation.
U
We
almost
didn't
close
on
the
building,
but
then
everyone
assured
me
that
things
were
fine
and
that's
just
kind
of
what
happened
and
it's
a
it's
a
it's,
a
very,
very
unfortunate
situation,
but
I
think
it's
a
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
difference
between
the
business
that
was
there
and
what
we
are
I.
Think
it's
it's
much
better.
Obviously
they
were
working
on
automobiles
and
you
know
we
won't
be
doing
that.
We'll
just
be
cleaning
things
so
we're
a
cleaning
company
we
like
to
keep
things
clean.
U
So
you
know
I
can
assure
the
the
neighbors
that
it
will
be
will
be
taken
care
of.
We
take
a
lot
of
Pride.
We
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
this
building.
We
want
it
to
be
a
showpiece
for
us.
We
have.
We
had
plans
for
20
other
companies
around
the
country
to
come
and
and
see
the
building
we
kind
of
set
the
standard
for
what
we
do
and
people
travel
to
come
and
see
what
we
do.
U
U
O
Is
there
a
it
since
it
seems
like
some
of
the
concerns
are
with
respect
to
off-gassing
or
toxicity
of
the
materials
that
you're
using,
and
it
sounds
like
what
you're
doing
isn't
actually
chemically
reactive
at
all?
In
many
cases,
is
there
any
threshold
that
you
could
recommend
that
would
be
acceptable
for
you
to
ensure
that
there
aren't
any
toxic
materials
used?
That
could
still
be
a
condition
of
operation
that
could
be
applied
or
to
say
hey.
The
reason
on
this
i1
outdoor
storage
is
one
restriction.
O
You
aren't
going
to
do
outdoor
storage,
there's
a
level
of
you
know.
Is
there
an
MSDS
sheet
threshold
that
could
be
used
in
some
way
to
say,
and
we
won't
use
anything
above
this
is,
is
a
condition
to
ensure
that
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood
are
met
while
still
allowing
you
to
operate
in
a
way
that
sounds
like
you're
really
doing
sustainable
cleaning,
which
is
very,
very
positive.
We
should
have
more
of
yeah.
U
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
not
an
expert
as
far
as
like
what
level
is
what
level
I
just
know
that
we
use
the
products
and
our
people
have
to
use
them
every
day
and
so
they're,
just
they're
they're,
non-harmful,
I'm,
I'm
I
could
provide
the
MSDS
sheets
no
problem
for
all
those
things,
but
again
we
they
use
them
every
single
day
and
they're
they're,
simple
cleaning,
detergents
that
are
used
and
I
I
like
to
say
no
more
harmful
than
Don
dish.
Soap,
because
that's
really
about
the
level!
It's
it's
really
about
other
things.
U
When
you
do
cleaning
it's
basically,
three
things:
chemical,
actual
action,
heat
agitation
and
time.
So,
if
you
increase
any
one
of
those
things,
it
makes
cleanability
much
better.
So,
for
instance,
when
I
talk
about
Ultrasonics
like
we
use
Ultrasonics
the
the
beauty
of
Ultrasonics
is
you
could
take
something
that
was
hand
painted?
But
if
you,
if
you
cleaned
it
by
hand,
you
would
pull
like
a
the
paint
off,
but
with
Ultrasonics
you
just
put
it
in
a
pre-wash,
you
put
it
in
the
wash
and
through
it
runs.
U
U
You
know,
there's
a
great
one
of
the
reasons
when
I
bought
this
machine.
I
did
a
lot
of
research
in
it
and
Jay
Leno
owns
one
of
these.
You
know
Jay
Leno,
but
he
would
you
they
used
to
have
to
use
solvents
to
clean
Motors.
You
know,
because
of
all
the
grease
and
things
like
that,
you
can't
dispose
of
these
solvents.
Well.
U
Jay
Leno
has
a
machine
from
this
company
and
he
puts
an
entire
motor
engine
block
in
this
thing
and
and
like
turns
it
on
and
it
like,
comes
out
perfectly
clean
and
you
don't
have
to
use
all
of
those
solvents.
We're
not
cleaning
engine
blocks,
we're
just
cleaning
normal
household
and
business
contents
that
have
you
know
smoke
on
them.
So
I
had
one
question.
N
O
E
U
Is
this?
Oh,
it's
all.
It's
called
Ultrasonics
Ultrasonics,
okay,
it's
like!
So
to
give
you
easy
visual
for
it.
If
you
ever
went
to
a
jewelry
store
in
a
jewelry
cleaner
and
they
would
clean
your
ring
and
you
stick
your
ring
in
that
tiny
little
machine.
They
turn
it
on
this.
Is
that
same
exact
thing,
it's
just
big
same
exact.
It's
a
giant
jewelry
cleaner
is
what
it
is.
Gotcha.
E
U
Mean
that
it
it
goes
down
the
drain.
I
mean
it's,
you
know
different,
you
know.
Obviously
there's
you
know,
there's
soot
at
varying
levels.
The
one
thing
is
is
like:
if
the
soot's
too
bad,
it's
not
salvageable
or
cleanable,
so
those
things
get
thrown
away.
So
the
only
time
we
get
a
hold
of
the
the
contents
to
be
able
to
clean
them.
If
it's
not
that
bad
okay,
because
if
the
soot
level
is
super
high,
it's
it's
not
going
to
be
cleanable.
U
E
U
U
We
get
our
businesses,
yes
from
insurance
companies,
but
our
primary
customer
other
restoration
companies
in
and
around
Iowa.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
offer
it's
there's
a
high
barrier
to
entry
to
getting
into
doing
content.
So
you've
got
obviously
with
this
building.
You
have
to
have
a
lot
of
storage.
You
have
to
have
people
with
an
expertise
in
doing
this
and
and
and
how
I
got
into
contents
was.
My
Restoration
company
did
contents
that
I
could
never
make
any
money
doing
it
because
we
couldn't
get
busy
enough.
U
We
weren't
specialized
in
it,
and
so
by
doing
that,
we
were
just
extremely
unprofitable
because
we
weren't
efficient
at
doing
it.
So
I
had
to
make
a
simple
decision:
I
either
had
to
go
all
into
contents,
business
or
just
get
out
of
the
business,
and
we
made
the
decision
to
go
all
into
the
business.
So
what
we
decided
to
do
is
yes,
do
the
contents
for
our
Restoration
company,
but
we
also
went
and
offered
the
service
to
other
restoration
companies.
U
F
F
F
U
F
A
A
L
Good
evening
my
name
is
Michelle
altenhofen
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
East
21st
Street
and
pretty
close
right
there
to
Hall
Avenue
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
company
that
bought
the
Restoration
company
and
it
will
be
that
purchased
Hall
Avenue
location
that
I've
got
a
lot
of
concerns.
Environmental
I
do
have
a
lot
of
environmental
background.
I've
worked
with
a
lot
of
restoration
claims.
I've
got
insurance
background
on
all
of
this,
so
I
am
concerned.
L
You
know
I'm
concerned
about
discharge
air
quality.
He
says
that
he
only
uses
cleaning
discharge,
cleaning
solutions
that
are
not
harmful.
Well,
my
knowledge.
You
use
more
to
do
a
proper
restoration
for
smoke,
mold
fire
water.
All
of
that
there's
some
type
of
chemical
that
is
used
now.
A
lot
of
these
chemicals
are
very
toxic
to
the
environment.
L
L
L
L
It's
you
know
they
started
digging.
They
started
doing
work.
We
were
told
in
a
meeting
a
one
day,
notice
meeting
that
nothing
could
be
done
until
this
was
resolved
and
then
a
few
days
later
you
start
digging
out
towards
Delaware,
and
then
you
switch
and
you
turn
towards
Hall
from
my
understanding
on
how
this
is
all
zoned.
They
started
something
that
probably
shouldn't
have
been
done
yet.
L
L
L
O
L
L
They
did
decals
they
put
on
the
spoilers
that
doesn't
those
kinds
of
things
I
mean
they
tinted
windows,
so
their
risk
was
so
much
great
much
less
than
what
we're
looking
at
now
for
an
environmental
standpoint,
we
as
neighbors
need
to
know
what
kind
of
chemicals
are
being
totally
used.
We
need
it
to
be
transparent
to
us
so
that
we
have
a
good
idea.
This
building
is
practically
in
our
backyard.
L
Would
you
want?
Would
you
want
a
company
coming
in?
That
does
restoration
and
you
know
it
from
the
start.
The
we
asked
questions
at
this
meeting
and
we
had
two
architects
that
couldn't
even
answer
our
questions
or
sidestepped
us
now.
If
you're
going
to
represent
somebody,
then
you
should
be
able
to
represent
them
in
the
fair
manner
of
a
saying
exactly
what
their
business
is
and
what
they
do.
O
So
I
guess
is:
is
there
a
standard,
though
like
if
they
hit
some
DNR
standard?
If
you
say
hey,
we,
we
know
it's
going
to
be
this
you're
non-compliance.
If
you're
there
is
there
anything
we
can
actually
put
on
here,
because
I
guess
the
question
is:
would
I
want
a
business
like
this?
Next
to
me,
yeah
I
would
actually
and
so
I
guess.
The
question
now
becomes
that's
with
my
understanding
of
the
inputs
and
discharges,
but
is
there
something
we
can
put
into
here
and
say
hey?
L
I
would
be
probably
agreeable
with
it,
but
I
think
that
we
can
come
to
a
better
agreement
and
not
switching
it,
because,
what's
going
to
do
to
our
property
value,
if
you're
going
to
change
the
zoning
in
that
area,
because
my
street
is
kind
of
in
that
area
to
where
that
zoning
is
going
to
be
changed,
that's
going
to
devalue
my
property.
If
I
want
to
go,
sell
my
home,
that
could
cost
me.
You
know
a
loss
of
income
on
my
property
and
so
on.
You
know
those
are
great
concerns
to
me.
O
Yeah
no
I'm
not
trying
to
minimize,
though
I,
do
know
that
light
Industrial
in
other
cities,
where
it's
brought
in
in
a
smart,
sustainable
manner,
actually
increases
valuations
you're,
seeing
that
in
Vancouver
and
other
places,
so
I
I,
guess
I
I'm
curious
on
that
premise.
But
I
do
agree
with
you
that
some
restrictions
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
if
we're
saying
DNR
and
EPA
restrictions,
yes
and
that's
what
has
to
be
and
that
actually
addresses
concerns.
That
sounds
awesome.
K
W
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Bridget
Bach
and
I
use.
She
hers,
pronouns
I
grew
up
in
Highland
Park,
which
is
not
in
this
neighborhood.
It's
one
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
biking
to
the
Garden
neighborhood
I
used
to
you
can't
do
it
now
because
they
changed
the
construction,
but
it
used
to
be,
but
I
used
to
be
able
to
bike
all
the
way
through
whole
Avenue
from
the
north
side.
So
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
my
teenage
years.
W
But
what
something
that
was
frustrating
to
me
personally
about
listening
to
that
article
is
or
listening
to
that
segment
is
that
they
kept
repeating.
Well,
there's
no
smoking
gun,
that's
pointing
to
one
specific
cause
of
the
cancer
rates,
and
that's
all
well
and
good,
but
maybe
there
isn't
a
Smoking
Gun.
Maybe
there
are
many
many
tiny
smoking
guns
in
the
air
we
breathe
in
the
water
we
drink
and
the
soil
that
produces
the
food
that
we
eat.
W
The
developer
said
multiple
times
that
a
lot
of
the
chemicals
that
are
used
are
no
worse
or
no,
no
more
harmful
than
household
cleaning
products.
Those
are
the
ones
that
are
causing
cancer.
Tide
detergent
is
banned
in
the
city
of
New
York
for
known
cancer-causing
agents,
so
I
hope.
None
of
you
guys
use
tide
and
again
these
are
basic
household
cleaning
products.
They
are
not
harmless
and
we've
been
swindled
by
the
FDA
into
thinking
that
they
are
further.
W
Q
My
name
is
Mike
gas
I
live
at
2635,
Boyd
Street,
according
to
Google
Maps
I'm,
0.8
tenths
of
a
mile
away
from
this
location.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
apologize
to
the
gentleman
that
we
did
not
show
Iowa
nice
to
have
a
proper
realtor
that
should
have
said
hey.
Maybe
we
should
talk
to
the
neighborhood
association
before
we
purchase
this
building.
Q
Q
I
would
be
happy
if
we
could
share
the
SDS
sheets
with
the
neighborhood
association,
so
we
know
exactly
what's
going
on,
I
can
read
them.
I
know
exactly
what
they
mean.
I'd
like
a
little
bit
more
detail
too
on
the
PPE
that
they
wear
when
they
do
these
cleanings
and
everything
else.
That's
basically
the
questions
I
have
but
back
again
to
my
statement,
I'm,
sorry
that
they
didn't
tell
you
that,
let's
talk
to
this
neighborhood
association
before
you
purchase
this
building,
I
think
that
would
have
probably
solved
a
lot
of
bumps
in
this
process.
E
A
X
X
So
at
that
time
there
was
a
there
was
a
number
and
a
name
to
call
so
for
Courtesy
I'm
going
to
call
so
I
called
and
I
thank
the
person.
I
talked
to
was
Tyler
Vincent
and
so
I
I
told
him.
I
said
you
know.
This
is
kind
of
a
a
bad
situation
where
you
know
you
get
24
hours
before
meeting
and
the
planning
zoning
meetings.
X
The
March
2nd
I
mean
we
could
do
this
on
next
month
or
next
week
and
still
have
time
and
get
people
to
this
meeting,
and
so
he
said
well
we're
very
sorry
we
had
to.
We
had
to
move
it
forward
and
so
forth.
So
on
you
know
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
I'm
thinking,
yeah
I
know
what
you're
doing
it
the
first
time
this
has
ever
happened
to
me.
You
know
most
most
the
time
they
don't
want
to
give
you
any
kind
of
time
to
organize
the
people
around
that
area.
X
Well,
I
was
very
fortunate
because
I
got
a
hold
of
of
of
a
person
and
I
I,
don't
have
everybody's
names,
and
you
know
the
Fairmont
Park's
a
pretty
pretty
good
sized
neighborhood
association.
There's
five
thousand
residents
now
I,
don't
know
everybody's
name
and
exactly
their
their
address,
but
I'm
very
lucky
to
have
people
that
and
exactly
around
the
21st
Street
excuse
me:
22nd
Street
there
off
a
hall
and
they
and
they're
pretty
close
unit
and
they
get
together
and
they
talk.
X
X
What
they're
concerned
about
and
I'm
concerned,
also
because
when,
when
you're
talking
that
area,
you
know
we,
we
have
a
plant,
it's
called
ADM
and
they
monitor
the
outflow
of
the
filters
and
so
forth
at
that
plan,
because
we
have
a,
we
have
a
garden
school
which
is
not
very
far
away,
four
blocks
and,
as
I
said,
there's
there's
over
500
students
in
this
in
the
school
and
they're
in
their
Elementary
School,
so
their
whole,
their
lungs
and
so
forth.
They're
not
developed
as
well
as
maybe
some
of
the
some
of
what
our
lungs
are.
X
X
If
the
model
is
right,
then
it's
okay
and
I
said
who
does
the
models
and
they
said
well,
we
do
I
said
well.
How
can
you
tell
you
have
to
have
some
way
of
of
knowing?
What's
coming
out
of
that,
especially
if,
if
you're
cleaning
stuff
you
have
to
have
air
to
come
in
air
to
come
out,
it's
just
all
the
way
just
the
way
it
is
so
yeah
I
think
that
we
need
to
slow
this
process
down,
and
maybe
we
can
come
up
with
a
solution
that
would
work
for
everybody
in
that
area.
X
X
X
G
If
you
just
want
to
yes
may
I
ask
a
question:
this
is
just
a
house
creeping
a
question,
yes
about
the
process
in
terms
of
you
finding
out
about
this
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
At
one
time,
I
served
as
a
president
of
the
neighborhood
association
and,
first
of
all,
and
first
of
all,
I
salute
you
for
doing
it,
because
it's
it's
a
job,
but
my
question
housekeeping
wise
is
this:
according
to
staff
procedures
on
Feb,
let's
see
this
specific
item
was
mailed.
This
is
a
notification
to
the
neighborhood
association
right.
G
X
X
G
X
X
C
U
U
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it,
but,
like
you
know
you
have
you
have
charred
and
a
lot
of
smoke
and
debris
and
things
of
that
nature
on
the
site,
so
they
they
do,
wear
it
on
the
on
the
site,
but
for
whatever
reason,
we're
not
required
to
wear
it
in
the
warehouse
and
I.
Don't
I'm,
not
a
I'm.
Not
an
expert
in
this
I
can
certainly
get
some
answers
from
our
safety
guy.
I
just
know
what
he
requires
us
to
do
and
doesn't
require
that
in
the
facility
Are.
U
A
E
My
guess
is
that
it's
parts
per
million
after
a
fire,
that's
in
that
space
that
requires
you
to
do
it.
Yeah
I've,
worked
in
a
bunch
of
Industries,
so
I
would
assume
that
that's
my
educated
guess
yeah,
so
yeah
I
guess.
My
main
question
is:
would
you
be
for
a
few
amendments
to
kind
of
merge
the
two
communities
and
again
sorry
for
the
realtor,
not
explaining
to
you
the
the
greatness
of
what
Des
Moines
is?
Is
our
communities
which
leads
out
to
our
neighborhoods
yeah?
E
U
That
would
be
the
for
sure
what
we
want
to
do.
I
mean
we
had
intended
to
do.
You
know
an
open
house
when
we
do
finish
the
building,
we're
supposed
to
have
20
companies
coming
from
all
over
the
country,
where
obviously
going
to
have
to
change
that
situation,
but
we'll
still
end
up
having
an
open
house.
If
and
when
things
get
done,
and
we've
certainly
be
more
than
happy
to
invite
them
and
I
mean
we
I
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
this
building.
U
It's
in
an
industrial
area,
I
think
it's
the
nicest
building
really
for
miles
around.
You
know.
When
you
sit
in
the
office
up
there,
you
can
see
it's
a
it's
a
substantially
nicer
building
than
than
the
ones
around
it
right.
It's
the
only
one
with
you
know,
sidewalks
and
and
all
the
trees-
and
you
know
it's
just
a
really
beautiful
building
so
and.
E
Then
so,
just
to
finalize
and
wrap
this
up,
it
sounds
like
the
concern.
Is
safety
hazards
biohazards,
so
I
have
a
list
of
things.
I
just
want
to
run
past
you
sure
if
you
were
okay
with
it,
the
community
I
would
like
to
turn
this
into
an
amendment.
So
for
the
first
thing
that
I
would
like
you
to
do
is
Waterworks
looks
at
the
contents
that
are
growing
down
the
drain
and
give
you
approval.
They
have
a
plethora
of
scientists
that
study
and
test
the
water.
E
We
already
have
a
water
issue
here
in
Des
Moines,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
there's
nothing
problematic
going
down.
The
second
is
air
emissions,
attested
and
monitored
by
the
proper
proper
governing
bodies,
but
not
just
the
governing
bodies,
the
educational
and
research
institutions
that
set
those
best
practices
or
set
new
standards,
so
that
would
be
like
Iowa,
State,
University,
uni,
Drake,
University
or
uni.
E
My
second
one,
my
third
one,
would
be
provide
MSDS
sheets
and
for
them
to
review
and
approve
by
the
proper
governing
bodies
or
those
educational
institutions
to
make
sure
that
what
you're
using
is
safe
and
won't
harm
the
surrounding
areas,
and
then
the
last
one
would
be
a
biohazard
review
if
there's
any
biohazards
coming
down
and
hopefully
prevent
that
from
entering
the
neighborhood.
If
you
would
you
be
interested
in
some
of
those
amendments
and
I
would
like
to
to
get
this
pushed
for,
because
it
sounds
like
just
safety
and
environmental
issues,
I
figure.
C
The
other
thing,
I
I,
think
the
commission
needs
to
keep
in
mind-
is
they're
already
obligated
to
comply
with
state
federal
regulations
that
exist
building
code
fire
code
on
the
local
level.
So
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we're
talking
about
are
already
apply
and
don't
really
need
to
be
zoning
conditions.
We
just
need
to
let
the
other
regulatory
bodies
do
their
job
and
the
applicant
do
his
job.
From
that
perspective,.
G
I
think
would
you
we
have
heard
these
these
comments
from
from
the
neighbors,
of
course,
and
their
and
their
concerns
both
about
I
mean
a
variety
of
issues.
Would
you
be
willing
to
continue
this
item
to
another
PNC
meeting
so
that
you
could
have
a
meeting
actually
with
the
with
the
neighbors
and
share
their
concerns
with
you
and
answer
their
concerns
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
U
I
mean
I'm
willing
to
do
whatever
is
required.
You
know
obviously
time
frames
for
us
are
a
big
thing.
You
know
Iowa,
you
guys
had
some
pretty
bad
weather
early
in
the
year,
so
we
are
completely
jammed
up
with
content.
So
time
for
us
is
a
is
a
huge
Factor,
we're
several
months
behind
from
a
scheduling
standpoint
and
getting
things
processed.
So
that's
certainly
a
challenge.
U
U
N
H
Y
U
H
U
H
You're
registered
with
the
Iowa
Secretary
of
State
as
a
business
correct,
if
you
have
chemicals
or
anything
that
we
over
a
certain
quantity
that
you
have
do
you
have
any
that
you
have
to
require
registration
with
the
Iowa
DNR,
no
any
with
the
fire
department
of
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
No,
thank
you.
F
We
have
any
other
questions.
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing
moringo,
you
may
not
know
what
that
means,
but
I
think
everybody
in
Des
Moines
probably
does
and
that
that
could
be
the
reason
for
some
of
the
concern.
There
was
a
big
fire
at
a
plant
that
blew
up
that
the
owners
were
not
transparent
with
what
they
were
doing
in
there.
N
F
U
I
can
tell
you
there
will
never.
There
won't
be
a
cleaner,
nicer
facility
anywhere
in
Des
Moines.
It
is
like
it
is,
operated
like
a
clean
room.
So
and
that's
the
impression
we
want
to
give
people.
We
clean
things.
If
you
come
in
there
and
you
see
it,
that's
what
it
will
look
like,
it
will
look
like
a
clean
room.
E
Well,
like
does
Water
Works
come
out
and
test
what's
going
down
the
drain,
which
is
one
of
the
concerns,
does
do
we
have
some?
Is
there
any
ventilation
coming
off
there?
Do
you
have
any
ventilation?
That's
sucking
air
out
of
the
building,
because,
if
that's,
if
there's
no
ventilation
sucking
out
of
the
building,
then
the
air
testing
is
not
a
requirement
right.
I.
C
Mean
they
have
to
go
through,
they
have
to
go
through
the
building
code.
Fire
code
review
is,
you
know
they
just
buying
the
property,
isn't
necessarily
going
to
trigger
that
review,
but
when
they
come
in
to
start
getting
permits
and-
and
you
know
occupancy-
that's
how
we
got
involved
again-
I
just
reiterate
all
the
regulations
that
we
could
think
to
apply
that
we've
talked
about
they
most
of
everything.
We've
applies,
Todd
I
think
did
a
great
job
of
kind
of
asking
some
very
questions
that
really
just
kind
of
drove
that
home.
C
C
This
business
model
could
go
into
the
property
to
the
South
that
could
go
into
the
one
to
the
north.
The
only
reason
we're
here
today
is
because
this
building
happens
to
be
split
zoned
it
doesn't.
This
property
does
not
extend,
I
mean
nominally
further
in
to
the
East
and
the
property
to
the
South.
Those
are
things,
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind.
You
know
we're
really
talking
about
a
zoning
exercise.
O
I
would
I'd
like
to
chrisly
support
Jason
all
those
arguments
there,
because
I
mean
this.
This
is
the
right
place
for
it.
It
seems
like
the
business
right
here
is
the
right
type
of
business,
we're
wanting
out
of
a
really
hard
really
hard
time,
seeing
how
an
ADM
plant
is
consistent
with
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I
mean
cleaning
industry
is
changing
for
the
better
strong
cities
feature.
You
know
significant
densities
of
sustainable
light
Industrial
in
this
project.
O
As
long
as
it's
complying
with
what
it
says
it
is,
is
a
really
big
net
plus
for
us
in
changing
and
moving
especially
a
side
of
town
and
making
more
working
opportunities
available.
So
with
those
in
mind
and
with
the
with
the
scope
of
what
we're
doing,
I
would
strongly
move
staff
on
this
one
because
it
it
makes
a
ton
of
sense
and
again
with
water,
water
safety
pieces.
I
know
that
Iowa
has
some
challenges,
but
those
rules
aren't
simple.
We
have
a
plant
where
water
issues
are
a
deal
every
single
day.
O
It's
not
like
you
just
get
a
pass
to
throw
anything
down
the
drain,
so
I
mean
there
is
a
ton.
That's
already
there
and
I
think
there's
already
plenty
of
mechanisms
if
they
do
go
off
the
rails,
that
we
have
chances
for
enforcement
on
that.
This
seems
like
a
good
project,
a
logical
location,
correcting
a
weird
thing
that
happened.
That's
just
odd
and
I.
Think
staff
has
done
a
great
job
in
considering
all
those
pieces,
so
I
would
again
would
move
staff.
E
A
E
E
B
That
the
community
raised
today,
because
there
aren't
the
environmental
chemical
concerns
that
that
many
of
the
people
thought
there
were
before
this.
If
he's
not
being
honest,
I
think
he
is
we'll
find
out
to
Chris's
point
because
Des
Moines
Waterworks
is
going
to
let
someone
know
that
there's
toxic
chemicals,
so
I
think
the
regulations
already
in
place
are
going
to
help
these
people
be
heard.
T
J
G
Going
to
vote
no
I
think
the
neighborhood
has
the
right
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
applicant
if
I
were
living
in
that
neighborhood
I
would
certainly
want
to
have
my
voice
heard
and
I
have
understood
that
there's
going
to
be
a
neighborhood
association
meeting
on
March
14th
Am
I,
Wrong,
March
14th,
that's
in
less
than
two
weeks
to
me.
That
seems
to
me
that
that's
the
least
the
city
of
Des
Moines
can
require.
A
T
A
A
A
N
Z
Thank
you,
madam
chairs,
chakraborty
planning
staff.
The
item
before
you
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
in
the
vicinity
of
2215
Sunset
Road.
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
ex
mixed
use,
District
to
i1
Industrial
District,
to
allow
outdoor
storage,
which
is
associated
with
a
proposed
landscaping
business.
This
also
requires
an
amendment
to
the
planned
DSM
comprehensive
plan
to
amend
the
future
land
use
classification
from
Business
Park
to
Industrial.
Z
Z
The
subject
property
20
to
15
Sunset
Road-
is
actually
this
entire
L-shaped
parcel.
But
the
reasoning
that
we're
talking
about
here
is
just
for
the
two
lots
here
to
the
West:
that's
shaded
here,
the
the
property
owner
for
2215
Sunset,
Road
sold
these
two
lots
and
the
new
owner
wants
to
bring
in
a
landscaping
business.
This
previously
used
to
be
an
auto
body
shop,
so
it's
changing
used
to
a
landscaping
business
and
that
there
is
going
to
be
proposed
outdoor
storage
associated
with
the
landscaping
business.
Z
Z
So
just
have
a
few
pictures
here
to
give
you
context
of
the
character
of
the
area.
This
is
the
existing
building
on
the
site.
There's
a
parking
lot.
This
is
Sunset
Road
right
here,
so
just
another
view
and
gives
you
an
a
feel
for
the
light
industrial
nature
of
this
particular
area.
Again,
this
is
the
looking
towards
the
back
of
the
property
from
Sunset
Road.
Z
The
applicant
submitted
a
conceptual
sketch,
so
this
just
if
you,
if
you're
able
to
read
through
this,
you
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
That
gives
you
an
idea
generally
of
the
layout
of
what
is
being
proposed.
So
this
is
the
existing
building
right
here.
There's
going
to
be
some
warehouse,
space
offices
and
Lobby
slash
showroom
in
the
front,
there's
going
to
be
some
outdoor
storage,
that
is
a
search
associated
with
the
landscape
business.
Z
So
as
far
as
staff
rationale
with
this
particular
request,
we
think
that
the
proposed
land
use
Amendment,
as
well
as
the
rezoning
confirms,
to
the
character
of
the
area,
as
I
mentioned
before
the
general
character
of
this
area
is
light
industrial,
if
you
think
of
a
business
park,
those
kind
of
uses
so
that
the
the
landscaping
business
is
a
use
that
is
allowed
within
the
ex
District.
The
main
concern
here
is
the
is
the
Outdoor,
the
outdoor
storage
and
display.
Z
So
as
long
as
the
applicant
confirms
to
the
required
regulations,
as
well
as
the
conditions
that
staff
has
recommended
with
within
the
staff
recommendation
section,
stop
will
be
supportive
of
this
particular
request,
and
so
I
wanted
to
move
to
the
staff
recommendation
section.
As
you
will
see,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
request
to
rezone
from
ex
to
i1
Industrial
District,
subject
to
the
condition
that
use
of
the
property
shall
be
limited
to
the
following,
which
is
any
use
as
permitted
and
limited
in
the
ex
District,
as
well
as
a
landscaping
business.
Z
But
again,
this
is
this.
This
condition
this
condition
has
been
proposed,
because
this
is
something
that
that
confirms
to
the
area
the
the
character
of
the
ex
District
as
well,
some
as
well
as
some
of
the
users
that
are
there.
So
staff
believes
that
the
the
users
within
the
ex
District
are
appropriate
for
this
particular
area,
as
well
as
the
proposed
landscaping
business
and
any
outdoor.
Z
The
second
condition
would
be
any
outdoor
storage
shall
only
be
accessory
to
the
landscaping
business
so
long
as
the
outdoor
storage
is
placed
and
screened
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
planning
administrator
and
then,
finally,
any
future
construction
or
development
of
this
site
must
comply
with
all
the
applicable
regulations.
Within
Chapter
135.
Z
The
applicant
conducted
a
neighborhood
meeting,
as
required
by
the
rezoning
process.
I
here
is
the
letter
that
went
out
to
the
neighbors
here's
the
sign-in
sheet,
I
believe
they
just.
There
was
just
one
person
in
attendance
and
here's
a
a
summary
of
the
of
the
neighborhood
meeting.
I'll
just
pause
here
for
a
second,
so
you
can
scan
through
this
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
attendee
did
not
raise
any
concerns
and
did
not
have
any
objection
to
the
rezoning
request.
Z
Z
O
Sorry
I've
got
one
I
guess
strategically.
If
I
look
at
this
area,
there
is
really
only
those
three
sort
of
parcels
that
are
north
of
it
that
are
really
I
won
with
arm
yeah
I
one
in
the
mix
of
that
ex,
wouldn't
normally
be
this
something
that,
since
it
doesn't
look
like
we're
moving
towards
i1
down
there
or
are
we
wouldn't
this
normally
be
something
we
would
reject
in
order
to
enable
an
alternative
use
and
a
follow-up?
Why
in
this
one,
are
we
recommending
approval
when
it's
would
be
sort
of
isolated.
Z
The
the
area
and
so
here's
the
map
showing
the
zoning
District-
you
can
see
it's
it's
ex
and
the
land
use
classification
is
Business
Park.
You
are
right
there.
There
are
a
few
Parcels,
probably
up
here
that
have
been
reasoned
to
a
limited
i1
district,
and
this
is
what
the
the
rezoning
as
staff
is
recommending
would
be
a
limited
i1
District,
because
there
are
the
staff
rezoning
conditions
that
are
associated
with
it.
So
if
it's
approved
with
those
rezoning
conditions,
it
would
be
a
limited
i1,
District.
C
With
that,
the
ex
zoning
wouldn't
allow
this
particular
use.
We
feel
that
so
ex
zoning
is
a
little
more
of
a
business
park.
Oriented
set
up
or
District
than
i1,
so
not
all
of
the
uses
overlap,
but
this
area
was
thought
of,
as
maybe
kind
of
converting
to
those
types
of
uses.
However,
we
have
had,
as
case-by-case
situations
come
forward
like
this
one,
where
you
have
a
use-
that's
not
allowed
in
ex,
but
really
yeah
has
limited
impact
or
fits
in
fairly
well
with
what
the
thoughts
are
for
the
ex
districts.
C
C
O
I,
guess
that's
why
I'm
wondering
and
this
one's
we've
had
a
lot
of
others
where
we
weren't
I
mean?
Is
this
intended
down
here
in
this
little
pocket
to
all
go
to
an
i1
or
like?
Would
we
like
why,
wouldn't
we
just
reject
expand
the
use,
keep
the
ex,
since
that
seems
like
that's
what
the
majority
of
this
is.
Besides,
for
those
three
plots
that
seem
Slightly
North
of
here,
I
I
know:
we've
done
it
both
ways.
O
C
Good,
the
the
I
mean
that's
a
fair
question.
The
the
the
comprehensive
plan,
the
future
land
use
map
for
this
area
is,
is
business
park.
That's
the
designation,
so
the
ex
donate
district
is
most
closely
affiliated
with
that
designation.
So
the
thought
is:
is
this
area
giving
its
proximity
to
fluid
drive
and
Gray's,
Lake
and
downtown?
You
know
from
a
big
picture
planning
standpoint
kind
of
seemed
more
business
park
oriented,
but
you
know-
and
this
area
does
have
some
current.
You
know
you
know
more
light
industrial
type
uses.
C
So
it's
going
to
be
a
slow,
slow
turn.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
kind
of
you
know,
make
it
a
point
in
time.
Look
at
what
what
it
is.
The
applicants
proposing
think
through.
Does
that
particular
use
sorry
about
that.
This
is
this
happens
every
time
they're
on
the
timer,
we'll
get
them
back
on,
but
to
to
very
you
know
the
the
value
of
what
we're
doing
is
it
does
give
us
opportunity
to
analyze
very
case-by-case
situations
like
and
go.
Does
this
this
one
new
extra
use,
that's
not
allowed
in
ex.
C
Does
that
make
sense
both
in
the
bigger
picture
contacts
but
also
the
context
of
the
specific
site?
And
so
we
felt
that
made
sense
here.
If
you
limit
the
outdoor
storage
to
just
be
an
accessory
and
you
limit
it
to
ex
permissible
uses
and
then
the
site
plan
conformance,
we
felt
comfortable
and
we've
done.
We've
done
that
we've
used
this
kind
of
model
before
so
that's
about
how
we're
approaching
it.
A
Z
Z
F
From
well
not
just
foliage,
the
site
is:
has
a
chain
link
fence,
topped
with
wire
around
it?
That's
kind
of
in
bad
shape
and
the
entire
parking
lot
is
not
paved
I,
don't
know
if
these
are
questions,
I
can
ask
or
point
out
so
I
didn't
know.
If
those
were
things
that
would
have
to
be
remediated
as
part
of
this
change
in
use.
F
It's
in
it
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
pulled
it
back
off
consent,
because
I
was
concerned
with
this
state
of
the
building
and
the
parking
lot
and
saying
that
you
were
going
to
have
outdoor
storage
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
how
the
parking
lot
was
going
to
be
brought
up
to
compliance,
which
I
appreciate
hearing
that
you
also
mentioned
that
it
there's
floodplain
regulations
to
deal
with.
Does
that
mean
that
they
have
to
have
flood
insurance?
F
F
N
F
Z
C
C
No,
it
they're
allowed
I
mean
this.
This
is
not
zoned
like
flood
districts.
This
is
our
zoning
District
affiliated
with
the
brilliant
intense
areas,
but
that
we
just
put
in
information
here.
That's
useful
for
the
applicant,
so
chapter
50
is
the
section
of
the
city
code
that
deals
with
the
floodplain
rate.
Okay
and
our
engineering
staff
by
the
permit
Development
Center
apply
that
so
much
like
when
we
look
at
when
the
site
plan
comes
in
and
we
look
at
the
different
things.
F
I,
just
just
didn't
want
to
encourage
development
if
it
was
going
to
get
flooded
and
then
we're
going
to
be
paying
for
it
and
then
just
one
final
thing
across
the
street
is
a
big
project.
That's
presumably
was
approved
for
permits
and
stuff
and
those
guys
all
approved
on
the
green
map.
That's
really
one
big
parcel
there
do.
You
know,
what's
going
in
there.
P
F
F
F
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
Katie
McCain
I'm,
an
attorney
at
Brown
Winnick
law,
firm
located
at
666,
Grand,
Avenue,
Des,
Moines,
Iowa
I'm,
here
on
behalf
of
Chris
Thompson
who's,
the
owner
of
Just
Add
Water
in
chasing
waterfalls
staff.
Very
thoroughly
summarized
our
request.
Although
there's
one
thing
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
if
I
could
use
this
for
a
second
on
the
drawing
that
shows
where
the
outdoor
storage
will
be
they're,
only
the
applicants
looking
to
store
its
supplies
on
the
back
side
of
the
property
over
here.
AA
The
front
part
here,
they're
Desiring
to
put
in
you
know,
Landscaping,
according
with
the
site
plan
that
we're
going
to
have
to
do
in
order
to
make
the
the
property
you
know,
comply
with
the
site
plan
and
install
some
beautiful
landscaping.
The
storage
would
actually
be
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
along
the
back
side
and
in
conformance
with
the
staff
requirements,
we're
in
agreement
with
agreeing
to
do
screening,
as
requested
by
the
the
planning,
as
well
just
to
address
that
I'm
really
quick.
AA
A
AA
O
AA
From
my
perspective,
provided
that
we
could
use
some
of
the
outdoor
space
for
outdoor
storage,
that's
our
main
goal.
It's
my
understanding
that
our
primary
use
of
the
property
as
a
place
of
operations
of
business
like
where
we're
going
to
do
our
accounting
and
office
stuff
is
permitted
in
the
ex
district,
and
so
our
operations
are
actually
permitted
under
the
existing
zoning.
But
because
we
would
like
to
have
some
outdoor
storage
space,
we
are
required
to
change
it
to
L1.
I
AA
O
AA
AA
E
A
O
I'm
very
supportive
of
this
business,
it
seems
like
it
makes.
A
lot
of
sense
seems
like
where
we
are
I
guess:
I'm,
not
a
fan
of
the
strategy.
I
think
I'd
rather
do
the
way.
We've
normally
done
it,
especially
since
we
only
have
three
little
parcels
and
a
overarching
EX
space
like
it's.
A
a
look
for
someone
else
to
make
a
motion.
I
can
go
either
way
if
I
open
the
preference
towards
the
alternative
approach
we've
taken
before.
A
E
A
K
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
Catherine
drayhaas
planner
for
the
city
of
Des
Moines,
the
property
before
you
is
located
at
1202,
Thomas,
Beck,
Road
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
rezoning
which
would
allow
multiple
New
Uses
within
the
existing
building,
including
religious
assembly,
a
cabinet
maker
and
offices.
An
existing
e-commerce,
warehousing
and
distribution
business
does
have
legal
non-conforming
rights
at
this
location
so
long
as
it
does
not
expand
properties
located
on
the
south
side
of
Thomas
Back
Road
in
between
Southwest,
9th
and
Druid
Hill
Road
this
property
or
excuse
me.
K
K
K
K
A
K
K
C
You
know
the
broader
plan,
the
broader
Vision,
but
the
zoning
was
also
changed
to
fit
into
that
that
character
or
direct
us
towards
implementing
that
that
vision
and
the
reason
I
wanted
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
context
as
we
talk
about
this
property
and-
and
it's
specifically
in
its
specific
zoning-
you
can
see
you
know
across
the
street
we
have
dx2,
which
is
a
downtown
zoning
District.
We
really
see
the
Grays
Lake
Area
as
an
extension
of
downtown.
C
This
is
a
Tran
nx1
would
be
a
transitional
type
use
or
zoning
District.
Excuse
me
to
the
you
know,
neighborhood
to
the
South
n3b,
which
is
your
single
family,
but
it's
just
important
to
understand
the
context
and
and
and
of
that
planning
effort,
the
zoning
in
that
in
that
area
and
that's
the
basis
for
why
we
are
making
the
recommendation
that
we
are.
C
C
After
going
through
a
you
know,
public
planning
process.
We
really
see
this
as
an
area
that
will
develop
as
an
extension
of
downtown.
So
a
lot
of
the
the
property
said,
the
north
of
Thomas
Becker,
actually
zoned,
currently
including
the
warehouse
building
across
the
street
from
the
subject
property
as
DX,
which
is
a
downtown
mixed-use
Zone
industry,
to
what
I
was
trying
to
just
point
out,
is
that
the
NX
District
that's
on
this
subject.
Property
is
intended
to
act
as
that
natural
transition.
As
you
move
towards
the
single
family
houses.
O
J
K
My
understanding
is,
the
applicant
has
purchased
the
building.
The
sale
is
final,
he'll
have
to
speak
to
that
to
clarify
and
confirm
it,
and
then
he
is
looking
to
expand
the
allowed
uses
within
it.
So
there
are
a
number
of
uses
that
have
gone
into
it
and
and
are
not
compatible
with
the
allowed
uses
within.
C
AB
A
AC
AC
Let's
get
these
bills
paid
and
I
I
had
a
guy
that
was
interested
in
putting
the
cabinet
shop
in
there
and
so
I
rented
out
part
of
the
part
of
the
warehouse
to
him,
and
then
he
took
a
little
of
the
office
space
in
the
front
and
then
Office
Space
is
really
hard
to
rent
out
right
now,
or
at
least
it
was
last
year
and
so
I
had
a
church.
That
just
asked
me
if
they
could
rent
out
part
of
it
and
I
was
like
oh
yeah.
AC
AC
AC
If
you
look
across
the
street,
if
you
look
around
there's
another
commercial
building
to
the
to
the
east
of
me
and
I
know,
there's
Zone
and
X1
as
well,
but
we're
kind
of
right
down
on
the
edge,
and
so
my
plan
would
be
if
there
would
be
any
appeal
that
we
could
potentially
just
transition
our
section
at
the
end
out
of
it.
So
we
could
do
business
down
there
or
right
by
a
a
bus.
Stop
we
employ
people
from
Des.
Moines
I've
have
the
distribution
warehouse
kind
of
e-commerce
operation
in
the
back.
AC
We
employ
about
seven
seven
to
ten
people
depending
on
the
time
of
the
year
and
would
look
to
grow
that
so
I
did
have
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
the
neighbors
were
pretty
supportive
of
what
we
were
trying
to
do.
Some
of
them
weren't
really
super
excited
about
five-story
buildings
right
there,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
just
want
to
be
a
good.
I
grew
up
five
minutes
from
there
down
on
Park,
Avenue
and
73rd
Street
right
on
Park
Avenue.
AC
J
AC
J
AC
So
I
have
a
I
got
a
letter
from
all
the
past
uses
of
the
building
and
I
think
it
was
before
there's
some
new
uses
or
how
they're
defined
and
it
was
manufacturing.
Obviously,
it's
twenty
thousand
square
feet
of
office
space,
so
there's
office,
manufacturing
and
distribution
inside
of
there
from
the
printing
press.
The
printer
ink
was
the
original
owner
yeah
thanks.
C
And
and
I
think
maybe
this
is
what
maybe
Chris
was
getting
at
with
the
previous
item.
I
do
think
the
use
variants
where,
where
the
rezoning
is
denied,
you
can't
ask
for
a
reason.
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
case
where
you
have
a
building
that
was
built
for
a
certain
function,
but
you
have
obviously
on
the
long
term.
You
know
the
city's
land
use
plan
and
Zoning
are
really
set
up
to
guide
development
on
a
very
long
term
beyond
the
life
cycle
of
this
building.
O
So
that
means
procedurally,
we
need
to
reject
this
to
give
the
opportunity,
because
the
state
law
to
go
in
front
of
the
other
board
to
ask
for
the
for
the
use
so
the
end
goal.
Is
we
reject
here
with
the
hope
that
in
a
few
weeks,
we're
still
operating
fine
business,
still
good
community
members?
Still
there
right.
A
AC
AC
O
AB
O
Hope
was
that
was
so.
This
is
one
that
we
see
a
bunch
of
times
and
some
people
don't
actually
understand
it.
I
think
we
got
some
nice
calls
One
Time
by
one
guy
I.
Think
in
your
best
interest
is
US
rejecting
this.
To
give
you
a
better
path.
Next,
it's
just
a
state
law
thing.
We
have
to
do
in
order
to
make
sure
you
get
a
shot
the
next
month,
I'm
understanding
correctly
part.
A
A
AB
Also,
the
the
other
thing
is
that
we
have
lived
with
the
TB
building
for
a
while
and
they've,
been
very
good
neighbors
to
us
they're.
Very
it's
a
very
neighborly,
neighborhood,
friendly
business
and
so
I
have
no
qualms
about
Steve
running
that
business,
bringing
in
a
neighborhood
friendly,
tenants,
I
think
it
could
be
an
answer
to
the
neighborhood
and
to
the
city.
AB
Additionally,
other
points,
oh
just
you're,
mentioning
about
how
Planning
and
Zoning
plans
for
the
future
I
see
the
trend
that
we're
going
to
have
cities
that
are
much
more
walkable,
much
more
bike
friendly
and
so
again,
I
I've
worked
with
oh
some
of
the
city
projects.
In
the
past
I'm
a
field
biologist
I've
worked
with
Wetland
delineations.
What
I've
seen
is
that
we
have
large
industrial
areas
zoned
in
the
city,
which
is
some
larger
commercial.
AB
We
have
our
box
stores,
but
if
we're
going
to
be
trending
towards
a
walkable
bike-friendly
City,
we
need
to
have
decentralized
industrial
Outlet
column,
workplaces,
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
Industrial
and
Commercial
areas
that
are
along
a
bike
field,
and
this
is
what
we
have
here
with
the
TB
building
situation.
It's
close
to
a
bike
trail
people
could
bike
there
and
do
their
architecture
practice
there.
There's
a
restaurant
nearby.
So
there's
food
and
entertainment,
there's
Confluence
across
the
street
Confluence
brewing
and
yes,
they
can
be.
AB
Y
Michael
Kramer
2240
Southwest
11th
Street
I
own
that
lot,
as
well
as
bus
13
through
16
of
Butler's
place
the
two
Southeast
Lots
adjacent
to
Stephen's
property
question
here:
I
would
Echo
what
Trey
or
tree
said
Steven's
been
in
the
property
for
three
years.
Great
tenant
forthcoming
I'd
like
to
see
more
localized
businesses
in
our
neighborhood
for
a
job
opportunity.
I.
Think
it's
great
that
the
church
has
moved
in.
We
noted
that
the
cabinet
manufacturer
didn't
even
know
they
were
there.
Y
V
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused
about
how
this
particular
building
goes
from
being
a
sort
of
existing
Precast
structure
that
looks
like
it's,
you
could
probably
serve
up.
It
could
probably
survive
a
really
long
time
to
someone
buying
it
and
paying
to
knock
it
down
and
paying
to
build
Town
Homes
there,
and
for
that
to
be
a
financially
sort
of
viable
strategy.
F
F
F
A
Z
Madam
chairs,
chakraborty
planning
staff.
The
item
before
you
is
for
property
at
3109,
Hartford
Avenue.
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
subject:
property
from
F
blood
District
to
a
agriculture
District
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
hybrid
agricultural
building
which
supports
some
existing
farm
and
equine
operations.
Z
It's
a
long,
Hartford
Avenue,
it's
to
the
south
west
of
the
Des
Moines
River,
and
it's
it's
in
the
flood
plain.
As
you
can
see
from
the
zoning
classification.
It's
it's
right
at
the
edge
on
the
other
side
of
Hartford.
Avenue
is
a
PUD
and
n2b
zoning,
so
the
applicant
here
is
proposing
to
place
a
building
within
this
parcel.
This
is
just
an
approximate
footprint
of
the
building
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant.
Z
It
also
doesn't
indicate
the
precise
location,
but
gives
us
a
general
idea
of
what
they're
proposing
to
do,
but
the
building
is
going
to
support
some
of
the
existing
farming
and
equine
operations
that
are
associated
with
this
particular
farm.
So
the
building
is
according
to
the
application
submitted,
would
be
roughly
20
000
square
feet.
It's
going
to
be
a
multi-purpose
building
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
few
different
things
that
the
building
is
going
to
serve.
Z
It's
going
to
serve
for
farm
vehicle
and
Equipment
storage,
there's
going
to
be
garage
space
to
do
repairs,
there'll,
be
storage
for
Feed
and
Supply,
as
well
as
optional
equine
stalls
and
writing
space.
So
there's
a
few
different
uses
that
are
proposed
with
the
with
the
building
they'll
also
be
a
concrete
floor
portion
of
the
building
which
is
expected
to
to
include
a
restroom
and
will
also
include
insulation
and
and
heating,
as
well.
Z
Another
view
of
the
same
area,
just
open
farmland
for
now
on
on
this
parcel
that
that
we
are
looking
at
so
the
the
main
concern
that
staff
has
with
this
rezoning.
Is
that
we're
looking
at
rezoning
from
from
a
flood
District
to
a
agricultural
District
which
is
going
to
allow
the
users
that
the
applicant
is
proposing.
Z
So
in
order
for
staff
to
support
a
rezoning
from
the
F
flood
district,
one
of
the
criteria
is:
is
that
the
area
that
is
to
be
rezoned
has
to
be
brought
above.
The
FEMA
designated
base
flood
elevation.
So
the
information
that
we
currently
have
from
the
applicant
does
not
have
some
of
those
details.
That
staff
looks
at
while
evaluating
this
in
it,
including
the
base,
blood
elevation
and
a
plan
or
a
design.
That
shows
how
the
applicant
intends
to
bring
the
area
where
the
building
is
proposed
above
the
base
blood
elevation.
Z
How
much
filling
would
be
required?
What
sort
of
design
would
be
needed
to
flood
proof,
and
so
so
on,
at
least
at
a
conceptual
level,
and
the
other
thing
that
staff
also
looks
at
is
once
some
of
those
details
have
been
determined.
We
also
like
to
have
a
legal
description
of
the
area
that
would
be
brought
above
the
base
blood
elevation,
with
with
the
filling
we
did
reach
out
to
City
engineering
staff.
They
provided
us
some
rough
numbers.
Z
So
again,
this
is
not
confirmed
by
an
engineer
through
the
applicant,
but
according
to
City
engineering
staff,
the
base
blood
elevation
on
this
particular
parcel
ranges
from
786
to
792
feet
approximately
and
based
on
the
precise
location
where
the
applicant
wants
to
cite
the
building.
The
land
might
need
to
be
raised
as
much
as
nine
feet,
and
on
top
of
that,
there's
also
a
three
feet:
free
board
requirement
for
the
floor
elevation
of
the
proposed
building
that
would
need
to
be
elevated,
so
it
could
be
as
much
as
12
feet.
Z
There
were
very
few
Parcels
in
the
vicinity
of
this
particular
site
it.
This
isn't
within
a
designated
neighborhood
association,
but
is
within
250
feet
of
the
Riverwood
Riverwoods
neighborhood
association
and
I
did
hear.
I
do
not
have
anything
written
from
from
her,
but
I
did
get
a
phone
call
from
her
and
she
expressed
support
for
the
for
the
reasoning
she
and
the
neighborhood
association
did
not
have
any
concerns.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
in
my
presentation
we
also
did
not
receive
any
comments
back.
E
E
Z
The
because
this
is
the
within
the
flood
District,
the
chapter
50
requirements
apply,
and
so
even
if
the
property
gets
rezoned,
the
city
engineer
will
not
issue
permits
until
the
applicant
can
show
that
the
chapter
50
requirements
are
met
so
that
safety
mechanism
is
there.
However,
staff
has
a
policy
when
we're
looking
at
rezoning.
We
are
essentially
rezoning
the
we're
in
in
a
situation
like
this.
We
are
rezoning
the
entire
parcel,
and
so
there
are
other
users
allowed
in
the
a
district,
including
residential
dwelling
unit.
Z
So
staff
has
concerns
when,
when
approving
a
rezoning
such
as
this,
we
want
to
have
some
specific
details
before
we
go
the
path
of
reloading,
which
is
why
we
want
to
know
what
kind
of
a
plan
the
applicant
has
it's
not
enough
to
say
that
they
will
meet
the
chapter
50
requirements.
We
do
want
to
have
some
basic
engineering
plans
in
place
that
these
are
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
order
to
meet
the
chapter
50
requirements,
and
this
is
how
the
applicant
is
going
to
meet
those
requirements.
C
C
C
N
J
J
C
A
P
AD
My
name
is
Abel
Gutierrez
supplies,
Farms
LLC,
which
is
just
the
The
Entity
that
owns
our
farm
on
those
Maps.
What
you
don't
see
is
that
the
property
is
actually
284.
Acres
made
up
of
nine
different
parcels,
and
this
is
one
of
the
parcels
that
where
we
wanted
to
go
forward
with
this
project,
we
Farm
174,
Acres,
soybeans
and
and
and
corn,
and
then
we
also
board
horses.
We
have
about
40
or
50
horses
out
there
and
currently
the
facilities
that
we
have
are
kind
of
inadequate.
AD
It
would
definitely
be
something
that
would
help
us
be
more
efficient
and
and
be
better
out
there
I'm
trying
to
think
and
and
obviously
when
when
I
first
saw
the
report-
and
it
said
you
know
that
they
were
recommending
denial.
I
was
I,
was
a
little
bit
taken
aback,
but
it
was
probably
because
a
little
bit
of
my
rookiness
as
a
developer,
which
I
I'm
not
I,
thought.
AD
First,
we
asked
for
permission
and
then
I
started
spending
the
money
for
the
engineering
and
and
then
and
and
I
I
would
I
would
assume
that
there
was
checks
and
balances
along
the
way
if
we
got
the
approval,
but
my
first
step
was
or
our
intent
was
to
try
to
get
permission
to
see
if
we
could
go
forward
with
the
project,
and
we
did
that
and
the
city
did
a
great
job
kind
of
coaching
me
through
it.
But
I
was
always
confused
as
to
what
next
step
was
and
by
the
time
I
knew
it.
AD
I
was
already
on
the
agenda
and
then
so
then
I'm
here,
but
we
did
it.
We
did
engage
an
engineer,
an
engineering
company
here
in
Des
Moines,
and
so
obviously
he
gave
me
a
little
bit
more
guidance
of
what
we
need
to
do.
Those
numbers
that
she
shared
in
terms
of
the
elevations
there
are
could
be
accurate
could
be
not
here.
AD
AD
If
that
was
the
necessary
what
we
needed
to
do,
it's
not
a
building
that
is
going
to
have
a
lot
of
high
value
improvements
in
the
property,
Foundation
bathrooms,
Framing
and
half
of
the
building
was
designed
to
have
or
the
way
we're
envisioning
it
half
of
the
building
would
have
foundation
and
then
the
other
half
of
it
would
be
dirt.
Dirt,
Foundation
just
primarily
used
for
storage,
potentially
at
some
more
stalls
or
use
it
as
an
indoor
riding
arena.
AD
So
even
if
it
flooded
out
there
there's
I'm
not
concerned
about
that
I
mean
the
property
has
been
flooding
for
the
last
50
60
years
and
yes,
the
cost
is
damage,
but
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
improvements.
There
is
a
farmhouse
out
there
already
and
it
seems
that
again
it
hasn't
flooded
since
we've
owned
it,
but
it
it
it
seems
to
be
above
the
floodplain
or
it's
never
really.
Water
has
never
gotten
into
the
property.
So
who
knows,
but
for
us
it
was
a
very
simple
process.
We
need
to
build
a
shed.
AD
We
try
to
figure
out
if
we're
going
to
do
it,
do
it
right
from
the
get-go.
So
we
don't
have
to
keep
adding
to
it,
and
so
we
try
to
follow
the
process
as
best
as
we
could,
and
here
we
are
but
I'm
open
to
suggestions
in
terms
of
the
procedure.
Part
of
it,
which
is
what
I
was
not
you
know
you
know
very
in
tune
with,
so
whatever
gets
us
to
that.
AD
AD
So
my
my
part
of
my
frustration,
even
though
I
was
very
happy,
the
way
they
were
helping
me
out
was
specifically
what
was
needed.
You
know,
because
I
at
some
point
I
said
well,
do
we
just
need
to
know
what
the
elevation
is
out
there?
You
know
it'd
be
a
mark
of
the
elevation.
Then
we
would
really
figure
out.
Do
I
need
to.
AD
You
know,
have
a
foundation
planned,
you
know,
so
it
was
always
what
comes
first,
because
if
the
permission
is
going
to
move
forward
yeah,
you
know
it's
probably
15
or
20
000,
just
to
retain
a
an
engineer
or
what
he
wants
to
do,
or
at
least
that's
what
he
said.
Maybe
maybe
just
on
the
safe
side
but
yeah.
C
I
I,
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is
that
you
and
Wally
discussed
is
the
scope
and
what
all
components
of
that
were
and
exactly
what
Wally's
under,
if
Wally's
understanding
of
what
is
being
asked
for,
is
what
we're
asking
for
so
I
I
can't
say
if
that
that
figure
is
accurate
or
not
to
what
we
need.
But
what
I
can
say
is
that
we
need
enough
design
information
to
have
a
confident
sense
of
this
is
where
our
engineering
staff
will
look
at
it
and
go
Yep
this
would
we
believe
this
is
nine.
C
You
know
within
that.
You
know
within
reason,
error
that
this
will
comply
with
chapter
50.
I
mean
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
like
a
100
submittal
for
permit
type
document
and
then
a
legal
description
associated
with
that,
because
that
would
be
what
we
would
actually
rezone,
not
the
whole
property.
AD
C
Key
to
remember
is
that
the
flood
zone
industry
does
there
to
support
chapter
50
and
the
goals
of
keeping
development
out
of
those
areas.
So
we're
not
going
to
take
away
that
zoning
unless
we
know
that
you
can
comply
with
50
because
then
it'd
be
totally
at
that
point,
we
might
as
well
not
have
a
floodplain
zoning
District.
So.
J
Jason
is
if
he
does
secure,
while
he
is
a
as
a
design
engineer,
you
would
have
access
to
go,
meet
with
engineering
and
then
determine
the
scope.
Yes,
so
you
know,
if
you're
willing,
to
continue
this
and
take
that
step,
then
you
can
lock
in
your
fees
with
your
design
or
anything.
So
you
know
and
align
everything
so
I
think
what
maybe
the
point
of
it.
AD
C
Authority
is
I
think
what
can
be
done?
Is
you
have
a?
Is
you
bring
Wally
in
for
us
like
a
scoping
discussion
meeting
with
staff,
where
I
mean
we
talk
about
that
and
then
Wally
we'll
be
able
to
give
you
a
turn
around
and
say:
I
believe
this
is
what
it's
going
to
take
me
to
do.
I!
Think
right.
Now
all
the
conversations
have
been
you
with
staff
and
you
with
Wally,
so
I
think
everybody
needs
to
be
brought
in
together.
Okay,
so
yeah.
AB
A
E
C
I,
just
want
to
remind
the
commission
that
our
next
meeting
is
on
March,
23rd
and
it'll
start
at
6
30.
So
it's
a
little
different
because
it's
spring
break
it's
going
to
be
the
fourth
Thursday
of
the
month,
not
the
Third
and
then
it'll
be
a
little
bit
later
due
to
a
scheduling
conflict
with
for
the
space.
So
again,
March
23rd
will
start
at
6
30,
just
a
half
an
hour
later
than
normal.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.