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From YouTube: 7-20-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, July 20, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
B
C
A
B
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
July
20th
meeting
of
the
city
of
Des,
Moines,
Planning
and
Zoning,
commission
I
will
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
and
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots.
Unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
B
Applicant
will
be
given
10
minutes
to
present
the
request
proponents,
and
then
opponents
from
the
public
are
then
allowed
to
speak
in
that
order
with
each
speaker
allowed
a
maximum
of
five
minutes.
The
applicant
is,
then
allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
discuss
and
vote
on
the
issue.
B
All
comments
are
to
be
germained.
The
item
under
consideration
and
speakers
are
to
maintain
a
courteous
manner.
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
president
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent,
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
July
6th
meeting.
B
B
F
B
Thank
you.
I
will
now
read
through
the
consent
agenda
items
item
number
one
consideration
of
the
following:
proposed:
city-initiated
zoning
text
amendments
a
an
amendment
to
allow
repair
modification
or
upgrade
of
existing
utility
or
public
service
infrastructure
services
and
equipment
as
a
type
1
zoning
exception.
Item
B
amendment
to
allow
consumer
fireworks
sales
in
District
zone
for
commercial
use
to
comply
with
state
law
and
item
C,
an
amendment
to
remove
the
allowance
for
alcoholic
liquor
sales
by
limited
retail
sales
uses
in
the
RX1
and
rx2
districts
and
by
fuel
station
uses
in
mx1.
B
Item
one
will
stay
on
consent
item
two:
a
request
from
36
on
6th
LLC
regarding
the
vacation
of
26
square
feet
of
surface
right-of-way
and
542
square
feet
of
air
right-of-way
adjoining
properties
at
3614,
6th,
Avenue
and
3612
6th
Avenue
to
allow
the
encroachment
of
an
existing
building
and
canopy
within
the
6th
Avenue
right-of-way.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
this
item
moved
to
public
hearing
tonight?
B
Anyone
on
the
commission
item
two
will
stay
on
consent
item
three:
a
request
from
the
church
of
Brethren
North
Plains
District
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
4100,
6th,
Avenue
and
4112
6th
Avenue
item
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
plan
DSM
and
B
rezone,
the
northern
50
feet
of
property
from
P2
and
n3b
to
n3b
to
allow
the
property
to
be
subdivided
and
used
for
one
household
residential
use.
Is
there
anyone
tonight
in
the
audience
who
would
like
this
item
moved
to
the
public
hearing
agenda?
H
If
you're
wanting
to
have
this
discussed,
you
do
want
to
have
it
moved
to
the
to
the
discussion
portion
because
if
it
stays
on
consent,
the
commission
will
vote
to
approve
it
in
a
blanket
vote
without
any
discussion.
So
item
number
one,
which
was
the
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance,
that's
staying
on
consent
agenda
right
now,
meaning
there'll
be
no
discussion
on
that.
Unless
anybody
here
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
on
that,
but
the
understanding
is
the
based
on.
B
K
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Shawna
Baron
planning
staff.
Tonight
we
are
re-hearing
the
Waterbury
Commons
preliminary
plot,
due
to
an
incorrect
noticing
for
the
July
6th
hearing.
The
property
is
located
at
4820,
Ingersoll
Avenue,
and
the
proposal
is
for
four
four
unit.
Townhomes.
Previously
there
was
an
apartment
building
on
the
site
it
has
since
been
demolished.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Earlier
this
year,
the
planned
Des
Moines
future
land
use
designation
was
revised
from
a
medium
density
residential
which
allowed
for
17
units
per
acre
to
a
high
density
residential,
which
is
over
17
units
per
acre.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
recommended
approval
of
that
in
January,
and
the
council
officially
approved
it
in
February.
The
proposed
16
units
on
these
.89
Acres
represent
a
net
density
of
17.98
units
per
acre,
so
they
are
just
over
the
medium
density
to
that
high
density,
land
use,
designation.
K
K
J
K
L
Good
evening
honorable
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Wally
pelz
with
pelts:
Design
Services,
2323,
Dixon,
Street,
Des,
Moines,
Iowa,
50316.
I'm,
here
just
to
represent
the
preliminary
Platte.
We
have
been
working
hard
with
staff
to
work
through
some
serious
utility
issues
in
that
area,
and
we
think
we've
come
up
with
some
great
Solutions
I'm
here
to
speak
on
that
the
rain
Garden
we
have
underground
detention,
I
think
we're
we're,
definitely
improving
the
runoff.
L
It
was
quite
the
engineering
challenge
with
your
engineering
staff,
when
we
couldn't
figure
out
how
the
water
gets
out
of
there
right
now,
because
it
was,
it
would
fill
up
with
three
four
feet
of
water
and
then
go
somewhere
and
we
weren't
sure
where
it
was
going.
So
it
was
if
you
had
been
to
the
site
before
the
garages
were
tucked
under
in
the
rear,
with
we're
pretty
sure
it
was
going
getting
into
the
sanitary
sewer,
but
it
we
still
don't
know,
but
we
have
a
solution.
L
M
J
J
L
We're
in
the
preliminary
plot
stages,
so
we'll
do
a
soil
analysis
and
then
we'll
figure
out
which
plants
will
actually
survive
it.
If
we
can
put
in
Native
grasses.
That's
always
our
intent.
Anything
with
a
deep
root
system
is
always
our
intent.
The
soil
will
drive
my
condition
on
what
we
design
for
that.
So
we
want
to
make
it
sure
that
it's
as
perkable
right,
because
the
the
idea
of
a
rain
Garden
is
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
as
much
water
in
it
filters
and
it
slows
it.
L
Down
Right,
prairie
grasses
aren't
always
the
best
for
a
rain
Garden.
Some
of
them
aren't
very
water,
tolerant,
but
the
deep
root
grasses
are
which
are
found
around
like
wetlands
and
stuff.
Those
are
the
plants
that
we
typically
it'll
be
plugged
right,
so
you'll
get
a
plug
of
it.
It'll
go
into
the
mulch
and
then.
L
L
J
A
B
N
Hello,
my
name
is
Maria
La
France
and
some
people
had
trouble
hearing
back
there.
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
good
if
I'm
too
loud,
let
me
know
and
I
can
back
off,
but
I
mostly
want
to
express
my
gratitude
for
living
in
such
a
well-managed
city.
I'll
start
with
that
and
for
not
having
to
come
here
before
today.
N
N
This
is
the
first
notice
I've
received
on
this
property.
I
didn't
receive
a
notice
on
the
density
change,
and
that
feels
a
bit
like
a
mistake
to
me.
But
today,
I
do
stand
in
opposition
from
my
kitchen
window.
I
can
see
4820
Ingersoll
the
subject:
property
I,
see
about
20
bikes
per
hour,
biking
along
as
well
as
many
pedestrians
I
enjoy
I
really
enjoy
seeing
the
bikes.
N
People
are
having
fun
biking
along
talking
to
each
other
and
it's
a
general
sense
of
conviviality
and
well-being.
My
husband
and
I
also
bike
on
that
same
stretch
of
Ingersoll,
almost
daily
west
of
48th
Street
Ingersoll
only
has
two
lanes.
Only
one
side
of
the
road
has
a
sidewalk,
because
the
other
side
has
a
steep
drop
off
and
there
is
no
bike
lane.
N
The
area
is
Lush
with
Forest
canopy
wildlife
and
it's
desirable
because
of
that.
My
principal
concerns
are
density
safety
and
the
ratio
of
concrete
to
Green
Space
there's
feels
like
we
have
climate
change
and
I've.
Looked
at
these
plans
and
I'm
not
qualified
to
say
whether
there
is
adequate
preparation
and
I,
don't
know
if
any
one
of
us
is
I
just
have
PTSD.
N
This
density
level
might
be
suitable
if
the
area
was
walkable
to
restaurants
and
shops
such
as
the
town
homes
you
see
in
the
East
Village
or
in
Sherman.
Hill,
but
there
are
no
shops
within
a
half
a
mile
or
maybe
even
closer
to
a
mile
of
this
location.
This
proposal
is
for
16
three
bedroom
units.
That's
48
bedrooms,
if
that's
filled
with
families
at
two
to
a
room.
N
N
N
N
B
O
Name
is
Mike
tremantina
I
live
at
4819
Waterbury
Road
directly
across
the
street.
From
this
project
my
front
door
faces
the
front
door
of
front
doors
of
this
project
at
first
blush.
There's
a
lot
to
like
about
this
project.
It
seems
to
fill
fit
all
the
city's
goals
and
priorities
it.
The
neighborhood
itself
is:
has
a
mix
of
single
family
and
multi-family
houses
and
there's
multi-family
right
next
door
to
this
multi-family
can
fit
in
there.
There's
no
objection
to
that.
It's
replacing
poor
quality
multi-family
housing
with
very
high
quality
multi-family
housing.
O
It
is
increasing
the
density
on
that
existing
lot
in
the
city.
Those
are
all
goals
of
the
city
and
those
those
are
none
of
those
things
are
objectionable
and
it's
an
attractive
project,
but
the
problem
that
I'm
here
to
object
to
is
that
there's
really
too
much
of
a
good
thing
here.
This
went
to
from
eight
units
to
16
with
two
cart
garages
and
the
eight
units
that
were
there.
Some
units
were
on
the
first
floor
and
some
units
were
on
the
second
floor.
O
All
16
of
these
units
are
going
to
touch,
have
a
footprint
on
the
ground.
These
four
rows,
all
the
way
back
to
the
back
of
that
lot,
will
really
have
to
be
shoehorned
to
get
into
the
lot
to
get
into
that
lot.
That
is
not
in
keeping
with
with
the
neighborhood
and
I.
Don't
think,
that's
really
one
of
the
city's
goals
to
have
squeeze
as
much
as
possible
into
every
square
foot.
So
my
objection
and
what
I'd
ask
you
to
do
is
send
this
back
to
the
developer
and
to
reduce
this
density.
O
P
I'm
Mark
stallman
I
live
at
4814,
Ingersoll
I'm,
the
property
adjacent
to
the
proposed
property
to
the
east.
We
moved
to
this
property
in
the
fall
of
2022,
knowing
that
there
were
apartments
on
both
sides
of
our
property.
It
was
a
challenging
decision
to
decide
if
we
wanted
to
buy
a
single
family
home
between
two
apartment
buildings,
but
the
property
to
our
West
4820
was
a
smaller,
complex
single
story
with
the
remainder
of
the
Lots
being
open
behind
it.
P
There
were
trees
on
the
lot
is
a
big
open
space
after
moving
in
and
hearing
this
proposal,
knowing
that
there
are
going
to
be
four
sets
of
four
town
homes,
almost
butting
up
to
our
our
property
line,
I
think
there's
a
seven
foot
amount
of
distance
between
our
property
line
and
where
the
buildings
will
be,
and
then
three
and
a
half
stories
high
that
we're
going
to
have
construction.
That
will
be
overlooking
our
property
significantly,
which
is
a
concern.
P
The
other
concern,
in
addition
to
that
lack
of
privacy
is
all
referred
to
with
the
with
the
storm
water
runoff,
there's
currently
a
pond
on
that
property
and,
if
you've
been
there,
you've
seen
what
I'm
talking
about
since
that
rain.
We
had
last
week
that
pond
has
been
there
and
even
when
there
was
a
building
there,
the
water
has
nowhere
to
go.
So
that's
something
to
be
considered.
P
I've
seen
that
water
sit
there
in
the
winter
with
snow
melt,
it's
the
same
issue
I'm
also
concerned
with
snow
removal
in
the
winter
from
this
property.
If
we
get
a
six
inch
snow
where's
that
snow
going
to
go
because
there's
not
going
to
be
room
on
the
property
to
push
that
snow
somewhere
and
lastly,
I'm
concerned
about
traffic
with
the
potential
of
as
many
residents
as
could
live
on
this
property.
It's
a
significant
increase
in
the
number
of
residents
and
potentially
the
number
of
cars
that
are
on
this
property
as
well.
P
There
have
been
times
where
cars
have
been
backed
up
past
my
driveway
from
Boulevard
in
Ingersoll,
especially
when
school
is
starting
and
ending
those
times
of
day
we're
unable
to
get
in
and
out
of
our
our
drive,
because
that
traffic
is
backed
up.
So
it's
a
concern,
if
we
add,
potentially
you
know,
32
more
cars
on
the
street,
the
traffic
could
increase
in
and
that
could
be
a
continued
issue
as
well.
P
I
know:
there's
proposed
changes
in
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
property,
but
up
and
down
Ingersoll
That
Sidewalk
is
adjacent
to
the
road,
and
while
it's
a
it's
a
wide
sidewalk
traffic
is
right.
Next
to
you
on
that,
sidewalk
increasing
the
number
of
people
to
this
degree
on
Ingersoll
will
increase
that
traffic,
which
concerns
me.
It's
always
a
concern
when
I
walk,
my
dogs,
if
they
get
too
close
to
the
edge
cars,
are
right
there
and
the
more
traffic.
We
have
the
more
of
a
concern
that
becomes
for
me.
P
So
those
are
the
the
main
points.
I
want
you
to
consider.
You
know
a
lower
density.
Fewer
units
on
that
property
would
be
something
that
I
would
I.
Would
ask
for
the
property
itself
it's
going
to
be
a
beautiful
space,
it's
going
to
be
well
used,
but
just
with
not
that
many
units
is
what
we're
going
to
ask
for.
D
D
L
L
L
G
L
F
L
L
L
L
L
I
can
show
you
it's
so
if
you
zoom
in
on
that,
so
you
can
see
where
the
building
is
so
there's
eight
garage
units
underneath
that
it's
kind
of
tucked
under
garage
units,
so
right
next
to
the
building
the
water
would
pool
three
to
four
feet
deep,
because
that
was
excavated
and
cut
down.
So
we
believed
it
was
going
into
the
floor
drains
into
the
garage
which
then
was
getting
into
the
sanitary
sewer,
which
was
overwhelming
the
system
and
causing
other
problems.
So
that's
that
is
where
we
understood
it
to
go.
F
L
Yeah
on
the
site
plan,
which
is
in
with
staff,
we
show
a
rain
Garden
portion
which
should
handle
most
of
our
storm
water
quality.
Water.
Okay,
We,
additionally,
have
along
that
long,
paved
section
that
you
saw
along
the
western
boundary
underneath
that
is
all
underground
attention
Okay.
So
the
the
developer
has
agreed
to
invest
in
all
that
underground
attention
to
make
it
so
that
the
100
Year
storm
we're
we're
not
releasing
more
than
a
five-year
rate.
F
I
mean
I
feel
comfortable
from
the
water
standpoint
yeah
if
pseudos
and
those
standards
were
being
followed,
which
it
sounds
like
it
has
been,
I
think
it
should
handle
the
only
concern
that
I
have
I
think
this
goes
back
to
City.
Staff
is
just
there's,
not
a
storm
system
or
a
storm
drain
there,
and
typically
in
these
practices
we
tie
in
because
he's
accounting
for
what's
on
his
property,
but
a
lot
of
times
depending
on
the
grade
of
the
development
he
can
get
more
water
than
he
can
account
for.
F
L
Q
F
L
F
L
So,
where
you
see
that
purple
line,
that
is
the
drainage
way
that
comes
all
the
way
around,
where
we're
collecting
water
from
all
the
properties
that
come
onto
this
one.
So
we
did
the
offset
calculations,
your
city
Engineers
reviewed
those,
so
we
would
be
pushing
into
those
drainage
spaces
so
straight
up
all
the
way
down.
L
If
you
notice,
we
have
the
trees
pushed
back
a
little
bit
because
that's
usually
an
issue
if
you
put
the
Landscaping
right
behind
the
curb
it
gets
pushed
out
with
the
snow
removal,
so
those
are
pushed
back
along
the
front
as
well
as
where
ring
Gardens
are
great
places
to
put
storm
snow
storm
events
right.
It
also
is
a
great
place
to
store
the
snow
to
let
it
melt
in
the
springtime
when
it
comes
back.
L
Unlike,
for
example,
the
Target
parking
lots
that
I've
been
to
that
they
have
those
mountains
of
snow
in
the
winter
right
in
the
middle
of
the
parking
lot.
So
that
would
most
of
the
time
it's
going
to
be
pushed
those
directions
again,
if
there's
a
uncontrolled
event
or
an
event
beyond
the
normal
scope,
I
think
everyone
will
struggle,
just
like
you
know
downtown
in
the
city,
but
then
they
would
start
to
have
to
haul
it
off.
Just
like
the
city
does
so
that
that's
more
of
a
maintenance
question.
L
L
As
I
recall,
I
believe
we've
gone
back
and
forth
with
staff.
I,
don't
know
the
final
resolution
that
it
came
to,
but
it's
a
very
flat
grade,
so
it
either
went
to
concrete.
We
also
proposed
a
French
strain
which
is
rock
and
pipe
underneath
it
and
I
don't
remember,
which
result
we
ended
up
with
with
the
developer.
Either
one
works
because
it
creates
enough
flow
to
get
the
water
around.
It's
not
standing
there
and
pooling,
but
I
I
do
not
recall
which
version
the
developer
went.
F
With
the
only
so
I
like
that
idea,
you
so
an
advance
or
an
advanced
writing.
Garden
is
what
I
will
call
it
today.
An
advanced
rain
Garden
is
similar.
It
has
those
tiling
systems
under
I,
wonder
if
you
could
stick
with
the
tiling
with
the
the
gravel,
but
on
top
that
Build
That
Base
Basin
with
Amendment
emitted
soils
to
increase
your
water
opacity
along
that
whole
run
line.
L
F
Yeah
I
would
see
if
you
can
add
some
more
minute,
soils
to
increase
the
water
absorption
and
then
I
would
just
native
seed
all
that.
So
then
it
cuts
down
on
your
maintenance
too,
but
then
it
increases
the
amount
of
water
you
can
hold,
because
it
sounds
like
I'm
sticking
on
this
because
I
know
this
is
a
concern
of
the
community.
But
if
we
can
have
that
conversation,
they
can
hear
that
you
guys
have
done
the
good
practices
and
stuff
so.
L
L
I
think
they
were
trying
to
go
for
efficiency
to
make
something
that's
still
fairly
affordable.
It's
not
going
to
be
inexpensive.
In
any
sense,
these
are
I,
believe
they're
marketing
them
at
a
fairly
high
dollar
value
and
then
to
recover
the
there
is
substantial
expense
in
that
stormwater,
the
underground
stormwater
detention
and
the
rain
garden
and
Rain
Gardens
are
very
maintenance
and
labor
intensive.
We
try
to
plant
native
species
as
much
there
is
that
storm
water
management
manual
that
we
try
to
follow
when
we
do
all
these
and
I
believe.
L
We've
followed
all
the
principles
in
this
one.
If
we
can
get
more
soils
in
it,
I
will
try.
I
can't
promise
it
because
it
might
take
me
out
of
my
volumes
of
what
I
need
to
store.
So
it's
kind
of
that
balance
and
we've
worked
hand
in
hand
with
your
staff
on
this,
and
they
seem
to
agree
that
this
is
a
good
use,
good
intent.
It
recycles
something
that
was
an
eyesore
and
that's
how
I
would
answer
that
question.
L
A
K
F
Okay,
I'll
chime
in
quick,
yeah
I
feel
comfortable
as
well,
just
from
my
background
and
working
in
Rain
Gardens
and
in
an
environmental
space.
I
think
these
this.
How
he's
managing
the
water
is
probably
one
of
the
best
plans
I've
seen
since
being
on
this
board,
he's
doing
everything
he
possibly
can.
It
seems
like
he
can
guarantee
that
the
water
will
be
staying
on
his
property.
F
F
B
A
B
To
item
number:
six,
a
request
from
Thomas
Burkhead
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
for
property
located
at
1312
Rittenhouse
and
for
a
design.
Excuse
me
type
to
design
alternative
to
allow
construction
of
a
480
square
foot
detached
garage
within
the
front
yard,
where
an
accessory
structure
is
not
allowed
and
sriyoshi
will
present
for
the
city.
S
So
the
subject
property
is
located
on
Rittenhouse
Street.
This
is
south
of
Army,
Post,
Road,
so
kind
of
south
east
of
the
airport
area.
It
is
west
of
Southwest,
9th
Street
and
the
area
is
generally
single
family
residential.
The
zoning
is
n3b
neighborhood
District.
The
subject.
Property
here
is
about
6800
square
foot
and
if
you
can
see
here
in
the
aerial
the
houses,
the
existing
dwelling
units
structure
is
set
back
quite
a
bit
on
on
the
property.
S
So
here's
some
pictures,
the
subject
property-
is
right
here.
I
I
believe
this
is
looking
looking
West.
You
can
see
that
there's
a
slight
elevation
change,
so
there's
a
slight
rise
here.
This
is
again
looking
to
the
east.
This
is
the
subject:
property,
here's,
the
existing
unimproved
driveway
and
again
you
can
kind
of
see
a
little
bit
of
the
elevation
change.
That's
happening
here.
S
This
is
a
different
view.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
this.
Is
the
dwelling
unit,
the
existing
dwelling
unit?
That's
set
back
quite
a
ways
and
here's
a
better
view.
So
this
is
the
driveway
The
Proposal
is
to
place
the
garage
to
the
front
of
the
existing
existing
structure.
So
it'll
it'll
be
kind
of
right
here
and
I'll
go
here
to
the
plan
and
you
can
see
that
slightly
better.
S
So
here
is
the
existing
house,
the
proposed
garage,
which
is
about
480
square
foot.
It's
about
11
feet
away
from
the
existing
structure,
it's
right
here
and
here's
the
approach
from
off
of
the
off
of
the
street
to
to
the
garage.
This
is
a
profile
view
of
the
of
of
the
garage
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
a
it's
it's
about
15
feet
in
height.
S
S
It
is
roughly
matching
the
the
setback
of
the
the
neighboring
two
houses
so
from
from
that
standpoint,
stuff
feels
that
it
it
meets
the
intent
of
the
code
and
it
meets
the
intent
of
matching
the
character
of
the
adjacent
area,
as
well
as
the
constraint
of
the
the
existing
structure
being
set
set
so
far
back,
therefore,
not
having
the
option
to
place
the
detached
garage
in
the
side
or
the
rear
yard.
So
so
with
that
staff
is
supportive
of
this
of
this
type.
S
The
intent
of
that
condition
is
to
enable
the
the
character
of
the
garage,
the
materiality
and
so
on,
to
match
the
existing
character
of
the
neighborhood,
and
therefore,
staff
is
recommending
that
the
that
the
garage
be
constructed
it
with
the
Gable
style
roof,
which
is
what
the
style
of
most
of
the
roofs
in
that
area
is,
and
then
the
second
condition
is
that
that
a
new,
concrete,
driveway
approach,
as
well
as
driveway,
be
installed
with
the
installation
of
the
new
garage.
So
those
are
the
two
staff
is
supportive
of
the
request.
S
So
my
understanding
and
the
applicant
can
speak
to
this.
My
understanding
is
that
the
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
the
second
condition,
but
is
not
in
agreement
with
the
the
first
condition
and
they're
here
to
talk
more
about
wife.
That's
the
case.
We
did
not
receive
any
comments
either
in
support
or
in
opposition
to
this
particular
request.
S
S
H
S
J
J
S
Q
B
T
So
I
bought
this
house
like
20
about
20
years
ago.
It
was
a
paid
ten
thousand
dollars
for
it.
It
was
assessed
at
five
thousand
dollars,
I've
pretty
much
invested
like
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
into
it,
and
now
it's
assessed
at
like
eighty
thousand
dollars
at
its
most
recent
assessment.
This
garage,
I,
want
to
put
in
will
probably
represent
like
another
like
60
or
75
000
invested
in
this
property,
and
it's
part
of
a
larger
goal
to
this
entire
property
will
be
like
native
landscaping
and
Rain
Gardens.
T
Some
of
the
other
things
that
some
of
the
other
projects
that
you
guys
were
talking
about
earlier,
the
reason
for
the
shed
style
roof
and
the
slant
is
because
this
project
will
happen.
11
kilowatt
solar
roof
on
it,
I've
already
worked
with
the
Solar
Company,
one
solar
out
of
Ankeny,
which
is
partnering
with
Des
Moines
and
Polk
County
for
the
Grove
solar
Iowa
initiative.
So
this
is
part
of
that
project.
So
that's
why
we
need
the
slanted
roof.
T
T
So
over
the
years
the
the
uses
have
changed
in
this
neighborhood
for
what
housing
was
needed.
You
know,
and
so
that's
a
kind
of
an
Eclectic
neighborhood
in
that
way,
and
so
the
kind
of
the
uniqueness
of
this
design
still
fits
with
the
neighborhood,
but
is
a
little
bit
different
because
you
know
the
uses
are
different:
adding
solar
and
adding
more
native
Landscaping
to
the
property.
T
You
know,
so
that's
going
to
change
the
look
of
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit,
but
probably
for
the
better,
especially
considering
the
financial
investment
I've
talked
to
all
my
neighbors
I've
known
them.
You
know
my
pretty
much.
My
whole
life
I'm
only
36
and
I've
owned
this
house
for
20
years,
they're
all
really
supportive
of
it,
and
none
of
them
were
here
today
because
they
didn't
think
they
needed
to
be
they've
all
said
that
they
would
write
letters
of
support
if
that
was
necessary.
T
But
again,
this
permit
is
just
to
cite
it
in
front
of
the
house
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
really
no
other
location.
There's
the
backyard's
really
small,
so
you
and
there
would
be
no
Street
access.
So
without
this
permit
inciting
in
front
of
the
house.
We
just
won't
have
an
e-investment
in
this
property
at
all.
So
I
can
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
F
T
Or
angle
yeah,
it
is
pitch
and
I
think
the
contractor
he's
calling
it
like
us
16-40.
So
it's
kind
of
like
a
standard
pitch
and
he
worked
with
the
solar
designer
on
that
too,
because
we're
trying
to
get
like
a
certain
pitch.
So
we
can
get
like
just
like
the
for
building
and
then
when
the
solar
panels
we're
trying
to
get
like
a
certain
angle
with
that,
so
we
can
collect
the
most
sunlight
as
well.
Okay,.
T
T
You
can't
really
see
because
of
the
flowers
but
there's
a
four
foot
retaining
wall
along
that
property,
so
the
height
of
the
garage
really
isn't
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
below
the
height
of
her
camper
there.
So
it's
it!
It
won't
really
affect
your
property
as
much
as
maybe
you
would
see
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
flat
piece
of
paper.
T
Remain
yeah
that
no,
that
white
fence,
like
oh
that's,
coming
out
like
this
is
gonna
I'm
gonna
spend
like,
like
you
know,
close
to
75
000
like
completely
re-landscaping
this
property,
so
it'll
be
pretty
cool,
so,
like
oh
that'll,
be
completely
out
it'll,
be
like
kind
of
like
a
a
crown
jewel
of
this
neighborhood.
It's
the.
T
Now
so
the
garage
well,
that
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
the
setback.
So
the
code,
the
city
code,
is
25
feet.
So
it
would
be
a
driveway
of
25
feet
and
then
the
Garage
would
start
there
and
that
would
go
30
feet
and
so
then,
between
the
garage
and
the
house
would
be
like
a
15
feet
and
if
you're
looking
at
like
the
other
properties,
it
fits
like
right.
I
mean
it's
like
the
best
design
possible
for
that
area.
So
I
mean
there's
no
better
use
for
this
piece
of
property.
T
Parking
pad
there'll
be
it's
the
existing.
If
you
can
go
back
to
that,
the
existing
gravel
driveway
is
the
existing
footprint.
It
will
it'll
actually
be
kind
of
smaller
than
that,
and
so
there'll
be
some
Landscaping
on
both
sides
of
that
so
it'll
actually
kind
of
improve
it,
and
the
other
condition
that
the
city
wanted
was
a
concrete
driveway
I'm
planning
on
doing
like
an
impervious
driveway,
so
it'll
be
like
Limestone
slabs,
with
gravel
underneath
it
and
we'll
try
to
retain
some
of
that
water
for
one
of
the
Water
Gardens.
T
T
I
mean
if
push
comes
to
shove
and
the
city
wants
that
to
be
concrete
and
that's
a
condition
of
this
being
built.
I
will
put
concrete
there,
but
I
I
guess
I'm
not
aware
of
this
process.
If
there
are
conditions
to
a
permit
like
this,
if
it
has
to
be
concrete
to
do
that,
I
can
go
with
concrete,
but
if
it
has
to
be
a
gable
roof,
I
cannot
build
that
existing
structure
and
I
cannot
do
solar
and
I'm,
probably
not
going
to
spend
75
000
doing
that.
H
Just
leave
it
as
is
so
yeah
I
can
speak
that
a
little
bit
like
he
said.
The
purpose
of
the
appeal
tonight
is
for
the
setback
and
for
the
placement
of
the
garage,
but
in
order
for
staff
to
be
supported,
we
recommended
these
two
conditions
and
one
I
guess
we're
not
probably
not
going
to
die
in
that
deadshift
he's
really
needing
that
roof
to
do
the
solar
panel.
That's
a
good
thing.
Ultimately,
so
I
think
we
still
feel
the
Gable
would
be
more
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
H
So
we're
not
going
to
change
our
recommendation
but
number
two,
it's
written,
so
staff
recommends
a
concrete
driveway.
We
could
revise
that
to
say
the
new
driveway
needs
to
be
impervious
or
oh,
okay,
it
needs
to
be
so
it
achieves
the
goal
of
having
a
solid
surface,
but
could
still
let
water
through
and.
H
T
Mean
my
my
occupation
is
landscape.
Design,
like
I,
have
a
really
cool
idea
for
this
property,
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
just
kind
of
half
doing
this
like
this
is
going
to
be
kind
of
a
cool
project
if
I
can
go
forward
with
it
so
and
the
neighborhood
is
all
in
support
and
I
probably
could
have
got
them
all
here,
but
we
just
didn't,
really
know
this
process
at
all,
and
we
didn't
really
know
when
I
was
talking
to
Kyle
at
the
city
before
these
few
emails
that
had
these
conditions.
T
T
F
H
F
J
G
Is
there
a
chance
of
trying
to
so
if
I'm
understanding
correctly
we're,
saying
we're
wine
and
move
that
we
accept
the
shed
style
roof
conditional
on
it
having
the
solar
with
it?
And
we
accept
that
we're
going
to
waive
the
pavement
as
long
as
to
be
allowed
for
permeable
pavers
or
in
some
perviable
permeable,
sorry,
permeables,
pervious
service,
we
don't
need
to
say
how
it
has
to
be
done.
We
just
need
to
say
it's
going
to
be
permeable.
Is
that
right,
yeah.
H
H
G
Q
B
F
U
U
U
The
site
currently
has
three
driveway
accesses
one
at
the
north
end.
This
is
a
controlled
signalized
intersection,
one
in
the
middle
and
one
at
the
South,
the
middle
and
the
southern
driveway
axises
are
ride
in
ride
out
configurations.
There
is
a
median
that
separates
Merle,
Hay
Road,
so
they
are
right
in
right
out.
U
The
building
is
considered
a
commercial
Center
building
and
it
allows
for
one
or
sorry
yeah,
one
driveway
per
300
lineal
feet
of
Frontage.
This
property
has
400
lineal,
fetal
Frontage,
so
they're
allowed
two
driveway
accesses
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
maintain
three
and
staff
is
recommending
that
we
follow
the
requirements
for
two
driveway
accesses.
We
are
recommending
that
the
middle
driveway
be
the
one
that's
removed,
because
the
the
northern
driveway
is
a
shared
access
and
the
southern
one
is
the
shared
access
as
well.
U
U
U
The
vision,
zero
plan
also
identifies
Corridor
access.
Management
is
one
of
the
tools
to
manage
Transportation
safety
by
controlling
the
number
and
type
of
conflict
points
between
Vehicles
pedestrians
and
bikes,
the
Iowa
Statewide
Urban
Design
and
specifications
sudas,
as
well
as
the
national
Cooperative
Highway
research
program.
Repeat
this
message
saying
the
number
of
driveways
per
mile
significantly
affects
the
safety
of
a
corridor
crash
rates
increase
very
quickly,
as
the
number
of
access
points
increases
on
an
arterial
roadways
which
Merkley
road
is
an
arterial
roadway.
U
Another
initiative
that
the
the
city
recently
completed
the
support
staff
recommendation
is
the
Merle
Hay
Road
Corridor
study.
This
one
is
specific
to
Merle
Hay
Road,
whereas
Vision
zero
is
city-wide.
The
Merle
Hay
Merle
Hay
Road
Corridor
study
focused
on
Merle
Hay
between
Hickman
and
Aurora,
which
this
is
located
on.
This
property
is
located
along
the
Merle
Hay
Road
Corridor
study
has
recommendations
related
to
access
points
as
well
as
well.
U
The
Merle
Hay
Corridor
study
also
identified
the
need
for
improved
pedestrian
access
and
Mobility.
There
is
currently
no
sidewalk
along
this
portion
of
Merle
Hay.
There
is
sidewalk
along
the
properties
to
both
the
North
and
the
South,
and
there
is
a
dart
stop
located
at
the
North
End
of
the
property
as
well.
U
The
city
has
a
neighborhood
sidewalk
infill
program
that
designates
some
City
dollars
towards
infilling
sidewalk
as
part
of
the
city's
neighborhood
sidewalk
infill
program.
The
city
is
proposing
to
actually
construct
and
pay
for
the
sidewalk
to
be
installed
along
the
east
side
of
Merle
Hay
Road
adjacent
to
this
property.
To
fill
this
Gap
in
coordination,
the
city
would
propose
to
close
the
middle
driveway
as
part
of
the
scope
of
the
city
project,
the
new
sidewalk
further
amplifies
the
need
to
close
the
driveway
to
minimize
potential
conflicts
with
pedestrians.
U
The
site
has
two
other
access
points,
as
well
as
access
to
57th
at
the
East,
as
well
as
cross
access
through
the
property
to
the
South.
Getting
traffic
to
Douglas
stack
believes
that
because
the
middle
driveway
duplicates
the
Turning
movement
of
the
Southern
driveway,
that
its
removal
would
not
deter
a
driver
from
accessing
the
site
and
it
would
improve
safety
for
vehicles
and
pedestrians.
U
We
staff
believes
that
to
further
the
goals
of
vision,
zero,
as
well
as
the
Merle
Hay
Corridor
study
that
we
would
recommend
denial
of
the
design
request
to
allow
three
driveways.
We
do
recommend
approval
of
the
site
plan,
subject
to
compliance
with
administrative
review
comments
and
subject
to
removal
of
the
middle
driveway.
U
U
A
U
A
G
U
G
G
B
M
Excuse
me,
Doug
salts
gave
our
engineering
Resource
Group
2413,
Grand,
Avenue
Des
Moines.
Also
with
this
here
is
the
property
owner
richardner
and
Andy
Burton.
So
if
I
can't
answer
a
question,
I'm,
certainly
thinking
they
will
be
able
to
Jillian
did
a
nice
job
of
explaining
how
we
got
to
this
point
and
you'll
have
to
forgive
me:
I've
got
some
drawings.
Hopefully
you
can
project
those
up.
M
Sorry,
what
this
drawing
represents
is
what
Mr
Eichner
received
in
January
or
February.
The
drawing
is
dated
January
the
building
is
right
here
and
that's
the
access
Drive
of
our
subject
today
and
that
drawing
shows
that,
with
the
sidewalk
project
that
that
driveway
was
going
to
be
removed
and
replaced.
M
Then
in
May,
Mr
Eichner
received
some
correspondence
from
the
city
regarding
the
need
to
for
the
city
to
acquire
a
temporary
construction
easement
and
with
that
was
this
drawing
now
highlighted
the
buildings,
and
it
again
shows
the
subject
driveway
to
to
be
remaining
so,
as
we've
been
going
on
with
the
site
plan
process
originally,
when
it
was
first
communicated
about
this
sidewalk
project,
the
driveway
was
going
to
remain
then
during
the
site
plan
process.
It
said:
well
we're
probably
going
to
ask
you
to
remove
that.
M
M
M
M
M
M
If
we
look
to
the
north
for
1400
feet,
which
is
twice
700
feet,
there
are
nine
entrances,
so
an
average
of
about
four
and
a
half
per
700
feet
to
equate
it
back
to
the
frontage
of
our
property
and
then
going
south
of
Douglas
Avenue
in
the
same
1400
feet.
There's
12
entrances
and
some
of
those
properties
have
two
entrances
each,
even
though
they're
fairly
narrow
and
much
smaller
compared
to
the
property
on
the
north
side
of
Douglas.
M
So
let's
four
times
as
many
entrances
or
six
in
that
same
equivalent
of
six
entrances
and
that's
700
feet.
We
understand
the
need
for
safety.
We
have
no
issues
with
that,
but
Mr,
Eichner
and
Andy
of
offices.
On
the
second
floor
of
this
building
that
look
out
at
Merle,
Hay,
Road
and
I
said
for
the
last
16
years.
M
They
have
witnessed
dozens
and
dozens
of
accidents
and
every
single
accident
that
they've
seen
has
occurred
at
the
signalized
intersection,
not
out
here
at
the
driveway
that
the
staff
is
wanting
us
to
close
off.
So
the
issue
is
usually
somebody
thinks
they're
going.
The
car
ahead
of
them
is
going
to
run
through
the
yellow
signal
and
they
don't
and
that
car
stops
and
they
get
rear-ended
we're
just
having
a
phone
conversation
yesterday
and
within
about
30
minutes
after
that.
At
the.
M
M
So
with
that,
we
would
like
to
keep
that
existing
entrance,
open
and
I
might
also
add.
Many
of
the
people
that
come
in
here
sometimes
get
confused
if
they
come
in
through
the
signalized
intersection.
If
it's
a
retail
space
that
they're
looking
for
on
the
first
floor,
that's
usually
signed
pretty
well,
but
I'm
told
when
they
come
in
the
signalized
intersection
and
find
a
place
to
park
building's
just
long
enough.
G
Yes,
I
again
on
this
I
guess
as
I
look
at
this.
If
I'm
thinking
about
this
I
guess
I
don't
see
three
driveways,
just
as
a
quick
recap
of
that
piece.
However,
I
did
have
some
questions
as
well,
though,
because
I
also
agree
with
that
building.
Jutting
out.
This
is
actually
literally
the
first
time.
I've
been
there
a
bunch
of
times
the
first
time.
I
realized
it's
all
one
building,
it
sticks
out
so
much.
It
feels
like
it's
separate,
which
I
guess
I
didn't
even
think
it
was
service
there.
G
So
my
question,
though,
is
south
of
Douglas
the
density
of
driveways
down
there
significantly
higher
than
up
here.
Do
we
have
any
data?
Have
we
been
presented
with
any
data
that
indicates
that
there
is
any
statistically
different
safety
level
between?
What's
just
like
three
blocks
south
of
Douglas
versus
this
section
here
like?
G
J
Driveways
thousand
zero
vision.
Zero
plan
is
very
clear.
Douglas
is
a
high
Injury
Network
that
includes
lots
of
crashes
and
deaths
and
every
opportunity
that
we
have
as
a
city
to
make
it
safer
needs
to
be
taken,
whether
it's
by
a
private
developer
or
the
city
funds.
It's
not
safe,
so
curb
cuts
and
speed
are
high
drivers
of
unsafe
conditions.
J
J
M
We
haven't
looked
I've
been
particularly
I,
would
think
south
of
Douglas
would
be
more
dangerous,
because
majority
of
that
is
not
controlled
with
a
medium.
So
you
have
both.
You
have
left,
turns
and
right
turns
going
into
driveways
compared
to
here
where
the
entire
Frontage
is
controlled.
So
you
have
no
left
turns
coming
into
this
property.
It's
only
right
in
right
out
and
that
significantly
reduces
traffic
accidents.
J
M
M
M
That's
probably
difficult
to
really
quantify
I
know:
Mr
Eichner
said
the
tenants
certainly
want
to
see
it,
and
we
did
have
a
little
tussle
with
staff,
retaining
the
parking
stalls
out
in
front
of
the
portion
of
the
building
that
juts
out.
But
we
came
to
a
compromise
on
that
and
that
would
have
been
very
significant
because
those
three
tenants
that
are
in
that
end
of
the
building
they
want
people
to
be
able
to
come
out
and
park
right
in
front
of
their
space.
So
we
got
that
worked
out.
F
I
just
asked
because
I
frequent
that
Jimmy
John's
quite
often
I,
just
my
behavior
habit-
I,
don't
like
entering
in
that
centerpiece
I,
usually
come
in
from
the
Dunkin
Donut
or
the
or
the
traffic
control
and
I
definitely
always
exit
out
of
that
traffic
control
as
a
bicyclist
when
I'm
riding
there's
just
some
things
that
just
come
to
me.
Naturally,
I'm
always
looking
at
Exit
points
and
endpoints
of
other
cars
and
I'm
always
having
to
be
alert
because
people
aren't
watching
me
and
just
safety
wise
there
that
is
there's
I
go
about.
F
I
can
go,
I
can
really
get
my
bike.
Moving
I
can
get
up
to
about
25
miles
an
hour
easily,
but
even
at
like
a
decent
pace
of
10
to
15
miles
an
hour,
there
has
to
be
some
very
distinct
decision-making
decisions
being
made
between
those
two
access
points
and
definitely,
if
they're
turning
right
in
and
you're
coming.
For
me,
it
just
feels
very
risky
and
it
just
makes
optimal
sense
to
get
rid
of
it
and
put
the
slots
in
that.
F
F
U
F
F
V
F
U
B
B
W
Des
Moines
I'm
the
property
owner
through
an
entity.
There
were
a
couple
points
I
wanted
to
clarify
from
Doug's
comments.
In
answer
the
safety
question
the
city
paid
bulletin
in
MEC
to
make
this
350
page
report,
which
clearly
states
that
the
safety
issue
is
greater
below
Douglas
than
it
is
north
of
Douglas.
W
A
W
W
That's
a
case
where
Bankers
Trust
had
a
driveway
and
we
had
a
driveway,
and
the
two
of
us
cooperated
to
reduce
that
to
one
common
driveway
and
then,
with
our
payment
and
Marley
malts
payment.
We
bought
the
traffic
light,
which
was
supposed
to
be
tiffed,
but
it
was
never
tiffed
because
somebody
in
the
city
never
pushed
it
on
through.
So
we
spent
250
000
to
improve
that
make
a
signalized
intersection
combine
two
driveways
into
one.
If
you
look
at
the
earlier
photo,
I
could
find
it.
W
W
W
This
building
has
two
floors:
retails.
On
the
first
floor
offices.
On
the
second
floor,
we
constantly
have
people
who
don't
know
how
to
get
to
the
second
floor
of
our
building.
We've
had
planners
out
front,
which
you
see
to
stick
out
into
the
parking
lot.
We've
added
a
light
fixture
we've
added
the
lighting.
We
put
a
sign
over
the
doorway
saying
this
is
where
you
come
into
the
building.
W
There
are
entrances
on
the
north
and
south
of
the
building,
but
they're
stairway
only
so
if
somebody
pulls
in
somewhere
and
start
looking,
we
have
people
going
into
Jimmy
John's
we're
talking
about
going
to
Jimmy
John's
people
going
to
Jimmy
John's
trying
to
get
to
the
second
floor.
The
only
way
you
can
get
the
second
floor
with
Ada
accessible
elevator
is
through
that
entrance,
and
the
only
way
you
can
see.
That
is
you.
B
W
G
I
guess
I'm
I
know
I,
understand,
I'm,
not
a
mathematician,
but
I.
Guess
as
I
look
at
this
thing
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
president
of
it
right,
forgetting
whatever
has
been
sent
by
the
city.
Fine,
there's
plans
plans,
always
change.
I
understand
this
changes.
Things
I,
don't
think
that
the
previously
thing
being
sent
is
an
indication
that
that's
a
promise.
G
This
is
a
quick
default
position
at
the
same
time,
I
guess
again,
I'm
seeing
one
entrance
to
really
one
building
and
if
we're
really
looking
at
functionally
how
this
thing
works.
I'm,
seeing
one
Trends
to
really
sort
of
two
buildings
with
a
covered
Breezeway
is
sort
of
how
you
affiliate
attach
this
thing,
I
agree
as
well:
I
had
friends
in
office,
and
here
it
is
a
confusing
placed
entrance.
You
take
away
that
entrance
I
do
think.
You
significantly
harm
the
ability
to
understand
how
to
use
this
building
number
one
number
two.
G
We
only
have
2.5
entrances
for
two
buildings
along
the
Merle
Hay
section
and
we're
talking
about
even
developing
that
Douglas
site
we've
got
two
entrances
per
two
building.
I,
don't
see
this
as
being
significantly,
you
know
massively
different
we're
not
asking
you
know:
we've
already
taken
away
a
ton
of
driveways
I
also
I
do
bike,
but
I
also
do
use
the
Jiffy
Lube
south
of
the
south
of
the
Douglas,
and
that
is
complete
wreck
down
there.
I
mean
this
is
so
much
better.
I
think
we're
interviewing,
improving
I,
think
not
allowing
this.
G
Driveway
does
actually
have
access
to
do
damage
to
to
the
ability
to
use
this
building
in
a
meaningful
way
and
again,
I
see
one
drive
was
two
halves
so
on
those
arguments
I
would
I
would
be
opposed
to
taking
it
away.
Even
though
I
understand
the
arguments
of
the
safety
piece
to
a
degree,
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
fit
right
here
and
it
seems
like
we've
already
done
enough.
I
think
there
is
enough
here
to
make
it
this
be
a
reasonable
outcome.
Personally,.
R
B
H
J
Right,
yeah
I'm
disappointed
in
in
that
in
the
last
two
speakers.
It's
not
the
problem
with
people,
not
knowing
where
your
second
story
is.
Isn't
the
the
curb
Cuts
problem
right
safety
is
a
problem.
I
can
show
you
the
crash
data,
it's
on
the
vision,
zero
website
that
this
is
high
risk,
closing
curb
Cuts.
Most
people
don't
have
five
curb
cuts
into
their
store.
J
Like
you
said
you
have
today,
oftentimes
there's
one
or
maybe
two
I
I
feel
strongly
that
that
should
be
closed,
and
if
you
have
problems
with
people
finding
the
second
floor,
it's
not
because
you
have
a
obviously
they
have
problems
today
and
you
have
your
middle
curb,
cut,
I,
think
I.
Think
you're,
I,
think
closing
that
curb
cut
is
strongly
in
favor
of
the
public.
Good
and
I
would
I
would
not
be
able
to
support
that
motion.
F
Thank
you,
yeah
I'm,
going
to
second
that
I
I
think
closing.
The
cardboard
would
do
a
lot
of
good,
especially
if
we're
putting
a
sidewalk
and
we
just
have
to
rely
on
people
to
to
change
their
behaviors.
We
have
to
force
them
to
think
can't
have
lazy
drivers
just
pulling
in
willy-nilly
force
them
to
go
to
the
light
or
force
them
to
go
to
the
share,
and
then
they
can
come
in
and
cruise
slowly
through
yeah
I'd
be
foreclosing
it
and
then
I
would
also
petition
staff
to
consider
closing
other
ones
further
down.
F
H
Just
to
clarify
the
only
chance
staff
has
to
close
driveways,
if
is
through
the
site
plan
process.
So
in
this
instance,
this
building
had
a
number
of
building
permits
issued
that
exceeded
the
50
value.
So
that's
what
triggered
the
site
plan?
It's
like
the
city,
constructing
the
sidewalk
along
Merle
Hay.
That
wouldn't
be
something
that
triggers
elimination
of
a
drive
approach.
It
was
the
fact
that
they
triggered
the
need
to
have
a
site
plan
which
gives
the
city
the
ability
to
require
the
elimination
of
the
drive
entry
point.
What.
F
I
got
another
comment,
so
this
sucks
yeah,
if
we're
not
going
to
do
it
care
I'm.
So
sorry,
if
we're
not
going
to
do
it
for
the
whole
site,
then
I'm
I'm
now
struggling
if
we're
just
going
to
call
him
out
and
we're
not
going
to
do
it
for
the
whole
thing
so
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
but
then
but
then
that's
also
all
right
now,
I'm
fighting.
F
E
Also
struggling
with
this
one
Justin
but
I'm
leaning
towards
Carol's
argument,
because
we,
the
city,
is
investing
in
a
sidewalk
here
already,
and
so
that's
significant
resources
that
the
city
is
putting
and
the
light
is
not
very
far.
It's
not
like
it's
that
inconvenient
to
go
to
that
light.
Like
I've,
been
over
here
a
million
times
and
I
go
to
the
light,
because
it's
safer
anyway,
so
I
I'm,
leaning
towards
voting
again
thanks.
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
moving
on
to
item
number
eight,
which
is
a
request
from
Larry
cool
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
Donna's
garage
I,
believe
we've
seen
this
before
for
property
located
at
4424,
Southeast
14th
and
for
the
following
denied
type
1
design,
Alternatives,
A
and
B
and
Nick
will
present
for
the
city.
Awesome.
D
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so
talking
about
driveways
again,
hopefully,
everybody's
still
awake,
it's
already
o'clock,
so
we're
on
the
south
side.
It's
a
little
different
context.
So
I'll
try
to
walk
everybody
through
that.
A
lot
of
similar
issues
and
we're
also
talking
about
some
Landscaping
stuff
too.
So
as
chair
it
off
you
refer
to
this
site
plan
was
before
the
commission
back
in
October
of
2022,
so
just
to
even
back
up
even
further
from
that
the
reason
just
to
refresh
everybody's
memory.
D
The
reason
this
is
on
staff's
radar
is
back
in
2021
and
previously
historically,
the
site
had
been
served
by
a
gravel
parking
lot,
that's
just
to
how
it
had
operated
historically
based
on
all
of
our
records.
That's
what
we
had
known
as
in
2020
21,
the
applicant.
They
paved
over
the
parking
lot
without
getting
applicable,
site
plan,
building
right
away
permits,
and
so
they
paid
the
parking
lot
asphalted
it
over
without
any
permits.
Typically,
that
does
require
a
site
plan.
So
at
that
time
a
code
case
was
opened
up.
There
was
some
zoning
enforcement
activity.
D
They
were
instructed
to
meet
with
planning
staff
people
that
are
here
tonight
talk
about.
Okay,
we
have
to
get
a
site
plan
in
what
does
that
entail?
How
do
we
do
that?
That
sort
of
thing-
and
so
we've
worked?
They've
worked
with
us
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
went
to
the
Commission
in
October.
There
was
a
request
at
that
time
to
waive
the
driveway
closings
that
you
see
here,
part
A
of
the
requested
design
Alternatives
at
that
commission
meeting
in
October.
D
D
Since
that
time,
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
revised
site
plan
that
maintains
the
same
request
to
keep
the
driveways
open
and
then
there's
some
additional
requests
regarding
further
waiving
of
some
of
the
Landscaping
requirements.
So
we'll
do
a
little
compare
contrast:
I'll
get
to
walk
through
those
and
you'll
see:
okay,
hey
what
do
they
propose
the
first
time?
How
has
it
changed
now
and
then?
What's
the
stat
position,
so
here's
an
aerial
the
site.
D
This
is
this-
is
an
area
I
think
it
was
taken
in
2022,
so
you
can
see
it's
at
a
paved
condition
that
when
this
aerial
was
taken,
so
it's
existed
this
way,
for
probably
a
couple
of
years
now
we're
over
halfway
through
2023.
the
sites
on
Southeast
14th
Street,
it's
in
between
McKinley
and
Watrous,
so
pretty
high
volume
traffic
area
we'll
get
into
some
of
the
numbers
a
little
bit
later,
these
site
photos
I
got
a
few.
D
They
were
taken
last
October,
so
you
can
see
the
condition
of
the
parking
area.
This
is
the
at
the
southern
view
of
the
site,
so
the
site
is
situated
at
the
intersection
of
Southeast
14th,
Street
and
Emma
Avenue,
so
this
is
taking
within
the
Edmond
Avenue
right
away.
This
is
southeast
South,
Team,
Ford,
C,
14th
Street,
where
my
cursor
is
here.
D
This
is
taken
right
at
the
intersection
here,
south
Southeast
14th.
Here's
the
the
applicants
building
here
and
then
here's
the
parking
lot
and
then
you
can
see
the
the
couple
of
curb
cuts
that
lead
to
the
drive
accesses
and
then
here's
another
view
from
across
the
intersection
see
the
couple
of
driveways
here
and
then
you
can
kind
of
see
the
other
one
here.
So
right
now,
they've
got
three
driveways
as
staff,
we're
requesting
them
to
close
the
two
that
are
on
Southeast
14th
and
then
they
would
retain
the
one
on
Emma.
D
So
we
were
talking
a
lot
about
Vision
zero
with
the
last
item.
So
this
is
what
what
you
would
call
the
high
Injury
Network
map,
so
Southeast
14th
Street,
very
similarly
to
Merle,
Hay
Road
is
located
on
the
high
Injury
Network
and
just
as
Jillian
was
talking
about.
That
means
that
there's
an
elevated
level
of
crashes
compared
to
other
corridors
in
the
city
and
then
particularly
crashes
that
either
kill
or
cause
very
severe
injuries.
So
that's
why
it's
identified,
and
it's
these
thick
black
lines
here.
D
So
the
subject
site
is
located
approximately
where
my
cursor
is.
It
is
located
in
the
middle
of
one
of
those
High
injury,
Networks
of
the
zoomed
in
look
at
the
high
Injury,
Network
I
know
it's
kind
of
grainy,
it's
tough
to
spot,
but
it
does
show
some
of
the
crash
data
in
between
McKinley
highlighted
by
my
cursor
here
and
then
Watchers
up
to
the
north.
The
red
dots
represent
severe
crashes,
so
those
are
crashes
where
there
was
a
death
or
a
severe
injury.
D
D
So
here's
the
site
plan
that
the
applicant
submitted
I'll
show
a
couple
sheets
of
that
generally
just
showing
existing
conditions
as
well
as
and
I'll
scroll
here.
Some
of
the
modifications
to
the
approaches,
as
well
as
the
sidewalk
construction,
and
then
the
proposed
Landscaping
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
for
the
site
just
for
compare
contrast
purposes.
Here's
what
the
applicant
proposed
to
the
commission
back
in
October,
so
you
notice
there's
some
more
pavement
removals.
Some
more
vegetation!
That's
proposed
some
more
trees,
things
of
that
nature
so
just
want
to
let
the
commission
know.
D
That
sites
are
allowed
to
have
generally
all
Sites,
whether
new
development
or
Redevelopment.
With
the
site
plan
you're
permitted
one
access
off
a
non-primary
street
you're,
not
permitted
access
off
of
primary
Street.
If
you
have
existing
accesses
off
of
an
alley
or
non-primary
Street
in
this
situation,
we've
got
a
corner
lot.
They
have
an
existing
access
off
a
non-primary
street.
D
We've
got
one
business
here
that
access
is
sufficient
for
all
of
their
needs,
and
so
as
staff
as
part
of
the
site
plan
process,
we
would
request
that
they
would
close
both
of
the
access
on
the
primary
Street
which,
in
this
situation,
is
southeast
14th,
so
from
a
code
perspective
following
the
book.
That
is
why
it's
a
design
alternative
and
now,
in
addition
to
that,
a
lot
of
what
we
talked
about
at
the
last
item.
D
And
then
thinking
about
a
lot
of
the
Landscaping
that
we
were
talking
about
here
so
generally
I
think
just
to
even
back
up
a
little
bit
farther
as
staff.
We
understand
how
this
kind
of
got
on
our
radar.
It
was
kind
of
an
adverse
situation
to
be
really
candid
about
it.
The
applicant
I
didn't
really
have
an
understanding
necessarily
of
pages
Paving,
a
parking
lot
that
would
require
a
permit
and
a
site
plan
and
as
staff
I
think
we
want
to
be
understanding
to
that
situation,
and
we
understand
you
know
not.
D
Everybody
is
really
in
tune
with
all
City
processes,
and
so
we've
tried
to
work
with
the
applicant
a
little
bit
throughout
this
process
of
you
know.
We
understand
that
you
know
this
was
this
was
brought
on
you.
You
didn't
necessarily
understand
what
was
going
on
at
the
time
and
so
in
staff.
We
want
to
try
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
try
to
find
a
solution
where
we
can
meet
the
intent
of
the
ordinance,
but
also
try
to
achieve
some
of
the
goals
in
terms
of
accesses
and
Landscaping.
Things
like
that.
D
So
I
do
just
want
to
know,
especially
during
that
initial
site
plan
review
and
and
through
now,
staff
has
emphasized
that
there
are
some
exceptions
or
waivers
or
concessions
that
we
can
make
as
part
of
the
site
plan
review.
So
I
do
want
to
highlight
a
few
of
those
typically
with
any
sort
of
parking
lot
buffer
or
parking
lot
vegetation.
That's
required
to
screen
parking
lots.
I
know
we
talk
about
this
a
lot
sometimes
at
the
commission,
but
also
those
black
ornamental
fences
are
typically
required.
D
As
staff
we've
said,
that's
not
something
that's
really
necessary
as
part
of
the
site
plan,
so
we
could.
We
would
be
open
to
waving
that
in
a
landscape
buffer
would
be
appropriate
in
that
scenario.
So
that
is
something
that
staff
is
considered.
Additionally,
typically,
when
you
have
site
plans,
there's
a
couple
sets
of
trees
that
are
required
along
perimeters
of
sites.
We
have
what
are
called
Street
trees,
which
those
are
the
trees
that
sit
in
the
right
away.
So,
typically
those
are
in
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
back
of
the
curb
with
this
site.
D
D
We've
talked
about
trash
enclosures
at
the
commission
before
typically
enclosures
are
required
to
have
a
masonry
cover
that
would
match
the
building.
The
building
is
Brick
as
staff.
We
have
allowed
the
applicant
to
utilize
a
composite
wood
or
a
metal
panel
which
does
result
in
some
substantial
cost
savings,
and
so
we've
recognized
that
we
think
that
meets
the
letter,
the
in
the
intent
of
the
code
and
then
regarding
the
interior
parking
lot
Landscaping.
D
There
are
certain
prescriptions
in
the
Landscaping
ordinance
that
require
landscape
Islands
to
be
placed
every
eight
spaces
or
if
you
have
what
are
called
terminal
or
excuse
me,
parking
lot
rows
that
have
terminal
ends
that
don't
really
abut
up
against
a
building
or
a
property
line
if
they're
freestanding
rows
or
Bays
of
parking.
Typically
you're
required
to
have
these.
What
are
called
terminal
islands,
that
kind
of
cap
the
ends
and
then
would
have
trees
in
those
as
staff.
D
We
haven't
really
been
super
prescriptive
and
have
tried
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
try
to
adopt
something
a
little
bit
more
creative,
where
maybe
you
don't
have
to
install
the
islands,
quote
unquote
per
code
in
terms
of
their
location
and
sizing.
But
if
you
can
creatively
space,
trees
and
minimize
your
pavement
loss,
so
we
can
still
get
some
tree
canopy
in
the
parking
lot
to
adopt
some
of
the
shading
requirements
that
are
prescribed
in
the
ordinance.
D
That
would
be
acceptable
to
staff
so
really
kind
of
flexibly,
giving
them
the
ability
to
landscape
the
parking
lot
and
provide
shading
in
the
way
that
will
work
best
for
them.
So
going
off
of
that
thinking
about
all
the
items
that
staff
has
considered
and
would
consider
waiving
in
this
instance,
really.
The
Baseline
that
staff
would
consider
in
terms
of
a
landscape
plan
to
be
developed
would
be
one
removing
some
of
that
pavement
so
establishing
a
Paving
setback.
D
So
so
the
right-of-way
area
is
reverted
to
a
pervious
or
an
unpaved
condition,
and
then
that
previous
condition
would
extend
into
the
site.
And
so
we
don't
have
the
potential
for
vehicles
or
things
to
butt
up
into
the
right-of-way,
and
so
there's
a
green
buffer
area
between
where
pedestrians
are
walking
and
then
into
the
site.
And
so
that's
something
that
staff.
We
feel
strongly
that
that
should
be
established
as
part
of
this
and
then
additionally,
some
sort
of
row
of
ornamental
grasses
or
shrubs
to
accomplish
the
intent
of
the
parking
lot.
D
Screening
requirement,
Sans
defense
as
I
talked
about
earlier
and
then
trees
that
are
planted
every
30
feet
to
try
to
mimic
Street
tree
provision
and
then,
additionally,
like
I,
said
before
some
sort
of
interior
parking
lot
planting
scheme
where
maybe
you're
not
prescriptively.
Meeting
the
you
got
to
have
an
island
every
every
eight
spaces
requirement,
but
generally
planting
trees
adjacent
to
and
in
the
interior.
The
parking
lot
that
would
help
meet
the
shading
requirements
of
the
ordinance.
D
So
all
those
things
into
consideration
staff
is
recommending
just
denial
of
both
of
the
design
Alternatives.
Hopefully
we
can
come
up
with
a
solution
on
both
the
driveways
and
then
as
well
as
the
Landscaping
that
works
for
the
applicant.
So
that
is
my
presentation.
I'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
now.
D
Let
the
applicant
speak
to
that.
I
have
not
received
any
sort
of
truck
turning
diagrams
or
anything
to
analyze
that
so,
if
the
applicant
can
provide
that
information
tonight,
that's
certainly
up
under
the
purview
of
the
commission
to
consider,
but
that's
not
something
that
I
analyzed
before
we
had
this
meeting
tonight,
but.
H
E
J
D
D
Oh,
yes,
sorry
I
I
thought
you're
referring
to
the
driveway
specifically
the
parking
lot,
yes
is
required
to
be
straight
so
that
okay,
yeah
so
I
I,
know
I,
know
what
you
mean
today.
It's
just
kind
of
it's
just
free-flowing
a
little
bit
on
the
yeah,
so
this
would
be
the
striping
plan
that
they
had
proposed
yeah
good
question.
Thank
you.
B
D
So
the
applicant
at
the
time
and
I'll
let
the
applicant
speak,
maybe
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
So
this
went
to
the
Commission
in
October
the
applicant.
As
many
of
you
know,
if
you
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
ruling
of
the
commission,
you
can
appeal
to
city
council,
the
applicant
missed
that
window
to
appeal
and
so
has
since
resubmitted
and
has
requested
additional
relief.
D
D
I
I
R
A
L
Again,
good
evening,
Wally
pelts,
Peltz
Design,
Services,
2323,
Dixon,
Street,
Des,
Moines,
Iowa,
50316
I,
have
answers
to
all
of
your
questions.
You
asked
why
we're
back
here
again,
we
begged
for
contractors
to
bid
this
like
owners
who
are
here.
This
is
into
an
estate
they're,
looking
to
sell
it
to
the
property
owner
who
operates
the
bar
or
the
owner
of
the
establishment
that
operates
it
and
as
part
of
the
deal,
they
asked
that
the
parking
lot
get
improved.
L
In
our
previous
session
I
approved
with
GIS
ISU
that
the
paving
was
paved
I
have
a
DOT
strip
map
that
shows
the
parking
lot
was
paid
just
deteriorated,
they
filled
potholes
with
gravel.
It
happens.
It's
a
part
of
the
cycle
with
low
maintenance
right.
So
they've
inherited
this
they're
trying
to
get
it
off
the
books.
We
then,
by
the
time
we
got
this
first
bid
they're
like
we
can't
afford
that.
That's
it's
not
even
in
the
estate
to
cover
it.
L
They've
already
spent
forty
seven
thousand
dollars
improving
the
paving
which
they
thought
was
a
good
thing
right
and
it's
a
it's
an
overlay
project.
This
project
came
forward
because
they
were
sided
with
a
violation
of
Paving
when
it
shouldn't
there's
a
there's,
some
legal
steps
in
there.
So,
but
we're
not
going
to
step
into
that.
We
then
approached
the
council.
L
Member
of
this
ward
council
member,
told
us
to
come
back
to
Planning
and
Zoning
presented
again
and
if
we
get
denialed
and
asked
that
we
bring
it
to
council
to
present
it
so
that
that
is
how
we
got
where
we're
at
so
I
apologize.
If
we're
wasting
your
time,
that's
not
our
intent.
If
you
feel
so,
you
should
all
be
familiar
with
it.
If
you
want
to
deny
it,
please
do
so.
We
will
shorten
this.
F
L
He
was
actually
supportive.
He
understands.
Donna's
garage
has
been
in
a
South
Side
staple
for
many
many
years.
I
also
did
go
through
the
traffic
counts
that
my
clients
were
willing
to
try
and
comply
with
what
it
came
through
at,
but
I
mean
I
submitted
it.
You
got
a
copy
of
The
Proposal,
but
72
000.
It
doesn't
even
include
the
trash
enclosure.
That's
for
a
hundred
and
four
thousand
dollar
assessed
building
and
we've
already
spent
47
we're
we're
getting
upside
down
and
they're
trying
to
sell
it.
L
Yeah
it's
in
an
estate,
so
we're
trying
to
close
out
the
estate.
So
that's
why
we
approached
councilman
gato,
he
indicated
hey
bring
it
here,
see
if
they'll
approve
it,
if
not
bring
it
to
council
and
and
show
your
case.
I
also
I
know
we're
in
a
high
intensity
Corridor,
but
we
did
do
that.
I
can't
study
that
the
dot
has
that
software.
This
is
not
a
high
impact
area,
it's
north
and
south
of
us.
We
are
not
seeing
a
lot
of
accidents
here.
L
Second
item:
it
is
known
as
the
biker
bar
per
se
so
in
attendance
25
to
40,
but
it's
usually
in
the
evenings,
usually
after
rush
hour
traffic.
So
again
we're
just
asking
if
you
are
so
inclined
and
I
I
am
not
arguing
one
way
or
the
other
we're
just
something
to
do.
So,
if
you
would
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer.
J
I
J
J
J
And
then
so,
will
you
so
you
sort
of
the
existing
fund?
Is
there
then
there's
also
a
big
old
poll
right,
so
are
you
looking?
Are
you
proposing
just
one
spot,
then
behind
that
versus
today,
it's
kind
of
a
free-for-all
without
striping
and
stuff?
As
far
as
where
you're
gonna
allow
people
to
park,
yeah.
L
G
Can
make
sure
I
understand
something
what
you're
saying
so
basically
you're
trying
to
you're?
We
basically
just
got
a
dive
bar
here.
We
accidentally,
you
know,
took
an
action
that
caused
us
to
get
reviewed
and
you're
just
trying
to
sell
it
right
now
or
what's
I
guess,
I,
don't
understand
the
selling
piece
you're,
just
saying
hey!
We
just
want
to
get
this
through
enough
of
this,
so
we
can
get
the
thing
sold
and
get
through.
L
My
understanding
from
the
purchase
offer
is
that
they
wanted
the
the
parking
area
improved,
so
it
had
deteriored
over
the
multiple
year.
I
mean
it
I.
Think
it's
been
here
since
1950
is
the
latest
aerial
I
could
find
from
the
gis.
The
shows
that
paved.
We
confirmed
that
with
the
dot
strip
map
for
the
Improvement,
when
they
widen
East
14th
into
the
four
lane
that
it
is
with
the
divided
medians.
It
also
identifies
in
Donna's
garage
asphalt,
parking
lot
across
the
whole
portion.
L
L
However,
we
went
through
it,
they
were
we're
trying
to
get
them
compliant.
However,
there
is
not
enough
funds
to
do
what
so
that
other
plan
that
you
approved
we
ran
it
finally
got
a
bid
in
April.
I
was
begging
people
to
bid
it
I
got.
One
bid
tried
my
small
contractors,
my
big
ones
and
Elder
Corporation
did
finally
bid
it
for
us
in.
L
On
April,
3rd
and
I
can
share,
I
mean
staff,
has
it
and
when
we
saw
that
we're
like
we
can
they
can't
afford
that
right.
It's
it's
in
it's
in
the
trying
to
remember
the
legal
term,
their
mom
passed
away
so
that
they're
looking
it's
in
the
estate
right,
so
the
estate
they're
trying
to
close
out
that
through
probate,
correct
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
to
the
end
of
it.
They
tried
to
do
the
right
thing.
We've
tried
to
do
the
right
thing.
L
L
L
G
Yeah
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out,
is
there
a
mechanism
that
we
can
actually,
if
we're,
if
this
goes
through
as
it
is,
is
there
going
to
be
something
that
occurs?
That's
going
to
require
someone
else
to
absorb
the
cost
later
in
order
to
actually
just
allow
the
thing
to
move
forward
or
we're
saying
that's
if
we
approve
this
theoretically,
it
now
actually
stays
as
this
in
the
future.
I
guess
that
that's
my
thinking
of
what
I'm
trying
to
understand.
L
L
They
were
told
by
the
contractor
who
paved
it.
Hey
it's
under
10,
000
square
feet.
You
don't
need
to
do
anything
and
then
it
just
kind
of
became
a
slow,
slow
roll.
We
worked
with
staff.
Like
you
guys
know.
We
love
to
work
with
staff.
Our
previous
plan
has
no
comments
and
we're
approved
right,
but
in
this
condition,
I
think
this
is
a
again
a
very
unique
condition
that
I
don't
think
things
were
it's
and
it's
not
staff.
It's
I
think
it's
that
violation
that
was
brought
from
zoning,
which
I
think
was
an
error.
L
F
B
V
As
regards
to
asking
about
the
traffic
zones.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
address.
We
have
the
two
traffic
cones
there.
If
you
look
on
the
buildings,
there's
two
signs
that
say
motorcycle
parking
only
and
once
we
get
that
handicap
stall
in
the
rest
of
that
in
that
driveway
only
will
be
used
for
motorcycle
motorcycle
parking.
Only
that's
a
lap.
B
A
F
L
L
W
D
While
he's
talking
about
storm
water
management,
so
whenever
you
add
ten
thousand
square
feet
of
new
impervious
area,
it
triggers
certain
stormwater
management
requirements.
So
this
site
did
not
add
10
000
new
square
feet
of
impervious
area.
So
there
was
no
storm
water
management
that
was
required
with
the
site
plan.
G
D
I'll
try
to
clarify
here,
so
they
still
had
to
do
a
site
plan.
Not
all
the
site
plans
that
you
guys
see
are
required
to
do
formal,
storm
water
management.
So
the
Townhomes
project
that
we
saw
earlier
they
were
adding
over
ten
thousand
new
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
area,
so
they
had
to
do
a
site
plan,
but
they
also
had
to
submit
a
formal
stormwater
management
report
that
described
drainage
and
how
they
were
going
to
detain
and
flows,
and
things
like
that,
this
site
they
were
doing
some
Paving.
D
They
did
hit
the
threshold
for
requiring
a
site
plan,
so
they
do
have
to
submit
a
site
plan,
show
Landscaping
come
to
compliance
with
those
codes,
but
the
new
square
footage
of
Paving
was
not
10
000
square
feet,
so
they
did
not
have
to
do
formal
storm
water
management
so
submitted
science
to
a
modern
management
report.
We
weren't
analyzing
calcs
of
flows
or
anything
like
that.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
B
D
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpey
planning
staff
sticking
on
the
south
side.
It's
a
little
bit
farther
down
the
corridor
here.
I'll
try
to
keep
it
relatively
brief.
All
the
design
Alternatives
that
we're
looking
at
today
really
involve
building
siding
and
placement.
So
we're
not
talking
about
any
of
the
design
on
the
building
or
the
landscape,
or
anything
like
that.
The
admin
has
been
compliant
with
all
those
things,
it's
really
where
the
building
is
being
placed,
and
so
all
the
relief
that
you
see
up
here
on
the
screen.
It
really
relates
to
that.
D
So
here's
an
aerial
the
site
here.
This
is
a
larger
site.
So
I
don't
know
if
people
are
familiar
and
I've
got
a
larger
one
coming
up
on
the
next
slide,
but
this
is
a
large
site.
It's
where
the
new
Olive
Garden
has
gone
in.
There's
a
self
storage
place
there
we're
about
a
quarter
to
a
half
a
mile
north
of
Army
Post
on
Southeast
14th.
If
you
can
visualize
where
that
is,
and
currently
the
applicant
they've
actually
just
completed
a
plan
of
survey
to
subdivide
this
land.
D
D
This
is
a
larger
zoomed
out
aerial,
where
my
cursor
is
here
and
where
this
this
new
parcel
line
is
shown
here.
This
is
that
Olive
Garden
site,
so
this
area
was
actually
taken
a
couple
months
ago
in
March,
so
this
Olive
Garden's
now
open
and
operational,
but
generally
it
just
shows
you
a
zoomed
out
view
of
the
larger
site
context.
D
Here's
some
just
street
view
imagery.
These
were
taken
last
night,
so
this
is
looking
across
the
street,
so
this
is
standing
on
Southeast,
14th,
Street
in
front
of
the
Chase
Bank
property.
Looking
across
the
way,
this
is
the
existing
Dollar
Tree
store,
that's
here
and
upon
completion
of
this
they
would
move
into
this
building.
D
Here's
just
another
view
on
the
other
side
of
Southeast
14th
Street,
so
right
here
where
my
cursor
is
is
generally
where
the
building
would
go.
Approximately
just
shows
generally
what's
going
on
the
rest
of
the
site
as
of
this
moment
and
then
here's
another
view
just
looking
North,
so
the
the
new
building
would
be
located
approximately
here.
D
Just
here's,
some
overviews
of
the
site
here,
I'll
try
to
walk
through
some
of
the
highlights.
So
here's
the
building
about
10
000
square
feet
they've
got
an
existing
Drive
aisle,
it's
not
theirs.
They
do
have
an
access
easement
to
utilize.
It
though
loading
would
take
place
in
the
back.
They've
got
three
rows
of
parking
here
in
the
front.
D
Here's
a
landscaping
plan
generally
shows
how
they're
Landscaping
the
site,
like
I,
said
before
it
is
compliant
with
what
we
would
require
some
views
of
the
building,
all
right,
so
digging
in
the
staff
report
here,
I
think
generally,
and
if
you
read
your
report,
you
you
understand
it.
Staff
generally
acknowledges
that
this
is
a
really
tough
Corridor
to
develop
in
we
understand
it
is.
D
It
is
really
Auto
dominated
and
to
meet
the
prescriptions
of
the
ordinance
that
require
a
building
to
be
pushed
pretty
much
all
the
way
up
to
the
property
line
and
parking
located
in
the
rear.
It's
not
really
consistent,
contextually
and
just
do
a
lot
of
Market
forces.
It's
not
really
realistic
to
ask
applicants
to
do
that
with
the
street
that
we
have
here
in
the
surrounding
built
environment
context
and
so
regarding
the
design
alternatives
for
parking
in
front
of
the
building
the
build
to
Zone,
as
well
as
the
primary
Finance
coverage.
I.
D
Think
we
understand
that
they're
not
going
to
prescriptively
meet
the
quote-unquote
letter
of
the
code,
so
staff.
We
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
want
to
acknowledge
that
what
is
proposed
is
incrementally.
It
definitely
is
an
improvement,
however,
as
I
was
mentioning
before
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
aerial
here,
the
larger
one.
This
site
has
actually
seen
a
pretty
good
bit
of
development
activity
recently,
so
the
Chase
Bank
actually
was
just
relatively
redeveloped
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
they
did
some
site
improvements
reoccupied
the
building.
D
We
do
have
a
new
car
wash
down
here.
This
is
a
take
five
car
wash
that
is
under
construction.
Currently,
the
Olive
Garden
Project,
like
I
mentioned
here
there
also
is
a
Cane's
restaurant.
That's
proposed
approximately
here,
it's
not
something
that
we
have
in
for
site
plan
yet,
but
it's
something
that
staff
has
talked
about
with
the
land
developer
and
then
this
Dollar
Tree
here
so
within
a
corridor
that
hasn't
necessarily
seen
a
lot
of
new
construction.
Recently
there
is
a
good
amount
of
activity
happening
and
so
a
staff.
D
We
want
to
acknowledge
that
and
really
what
we
were
thinking
about
here
is
a
lot
of
the
with
the
new
constructions,
the
new
developments
that
are
proposed
along
this
specific
portion
of
the
corridor
and
the
larger
site
that
it
was
talking
about
earlier.
They've
really
had
kind
of
a
rhythmic
or
a
more
of
a
set
built
environment
context
than
the
hodgepodge
of
stuff
that
you
see
along
Southeast,
14th
Street
today
and
generally,
the
new
developments
that
are
proposed
along
this
portion
of
the
quarter
about
100
feet
off
the
property
line.
D
What
the
applicant
is
proposing,
they're
proposing
a
building.
That's
set
further
back
about
148
and
as
staff.
You
know
we
understand
this
is
generally
an
auto-dominated
Corridor,
but
at
the
same
time
it
we
do
feel
it
is
important
to
establish
a
rhythmic
physical
and
aesthetic
consistency
along
the
corridor.
It
does
Foster
what
you
would
call
a
sense
of
place,
which
means
kind
of
creating
somewhat
of
a
neighbored
feel
and
identity,
and
just
generally
a
positive
physical
compactness
that
we
think
aesthetically
as
well
as
physically
for
people
that
aren't
necessarily
driving
does
actually
improve
the
corridor.
D
There
is
actually
tangible
value
in
that,
and
so,
as
staff.
We
understand
the
need
to
request
relief
from
that
meeting,
the
build
to
Zone
requirement
of
0
to
15
feet
from
the
front
property
line,
but
acknowledging
the
other
developments
that
have
taken
place
and
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
proposed.
We
would
like
to
ask
the
applicant
to
set
the
building
about
100
feet
back
from
the
front
property
line
instead
of
the
148
that
they're
proposing
so
generally
we're
recommending
approval
of
the
request.
Subject
to
that
really
conditioned.
D
One
is
really
the
one
that
I
want
to
highlight
here,
and
we
also
acknowledge
too,
that
would
change
the
site
design
a
little
bit
of
what's
proposed,
they'd
lose
a
row
of
parking
in
front,
but
there
are
other
areas
on
the
site
where
they
could
maybe
relocate
that
parking
or
as
staff
as
we
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
parking
in
this
area.
So
if
they
had
to
lose
a
few
stalls
out
there
in
the
front
as
staff,
we
don't
think
it
would
be
detrimental
necessarily
and
I'll.
D
D
So
all
yeah
good
point,
so
Olive
Garden
was
approved.
The
setback
of
96
feet,
okay
for
reference
and
then
that
Keynes
that
I
was
talking
about
earlier
again,
it's
conceptual.
We
don't
have
any
plans
in.
They
have
proposed
a
similar
setback
of
approximately
100
feet
and
so
we're
trying
to
stay
in
that
neighborhood.
With
this
recommendation.
G
Is
the
logic
of
so
what
you're
saying
there
is,
though,
if
we
get
further
development,
everyone
would
be
open
to
the
idea
that
we
are
sharing
Community
parking
there,
as
opposed
to
actually
being
strict
adhering
to
the
parking
minimums
later,
because
right
now,
you're
saying
we're
going
to
cut
out
a
row,
does
that
mean
we're
expecting
to
say?
Oh,
we
will
be
sharing
our
parking
requirements.
D
It's
not
the
only
expectation,
it's
an
option
for
the
applicant,
so
basically
as
part
of
the
I
guess
what
you
would
call
a
design
alternative,
a
staff.
We
would
approve
some
parking
in
the
front
with
giving
applicant
the
opportunity
to
maybe
share
parking
with
adjacent
users
as
well
as
being
able
to
redesign
their
site.
They
could
add
more
parking
along
the
side
of
the
building
or
potentially
in
the
rear.
D
So
they've
got
a
few
stalls
here,
they're
not
proposing
to
utilize
any
of
this
area's
parking.
So
if
they
shifted
the
building
up,
they
can
maybe
shift
some
of
these
stalls
here.
I
know
this
is
a
loading
area
back
here.
They
can
maybe
add
a
few
stalls
here.
Basically,
what
we're
trying
to
say
is
that
we
think
that
there's
options
if
they
lose
a
rope
row
stalls
in
front.
We
think
that
there's
options
for
them
to
fulfill
their
parking
needs
Nick.
F
F
D
Potentially
I,
don't
this
this
we're
not
in
the
exercise
of
Designing
the
site
for
them,
I
think
this
they're
presenting
their
request
and
then
based
on
the
commission's
ruling.
We
can
work
with
them.
You
know,
after
this
meeting
to
walk
through
some
of
the
site,
design
specifics
does
that
make
sense.
Okay,.
D
Want
to
see
yeah
there
we
go
yeah.
This
might
be
a
little
clearer,
yeah,
so
yeah
just
to
highlight
this
again
got
the
building
here
got
three
rows
of
parking
got
some
parking
on.
The
side
is
what's
proposed
now,
as
staff,
we
basically
want
them
to
scooch
this
up
about
50
feet
or
so
approximately
okay.
D
D
That
is
one
of
the
items
yeah,
so
I'll
go
back,
I
kind
of
glossed
over
that
I
apologize,
so
there's
three
design
Alternatives
one
of
them
is
the
building
placement.
The
other
one
is
what
you
call
building
coverage
so
because
the
building
is
outside
of
the
bill,
2
Zone,
it
doesn't
meet
the
coverage
and
then
the
third
one
is
for
parking
located
in
the
front.
That's
parts.
J
A
D
J
D
X
Okay,
I
sat
here
a
long
time
to
get
to
speak
to
you,
people,
so
I
can
save
you
what's
that
yeah,
so
my
name
is
Jeff
stickford
I'm
from
Waterloo
Iowa,
so
I'll
be
driving
home
after
this.
At
this
point,
the
meeting
I
think
it'd
be
good
just
to
lighten
things
up
a
little
bit.
Every
time
I
introduce
myself
I
go
back
to
the
movie
Jump
Street
22
and
Channing
Tatum's.
In
the
back
of
the
semi
he's
supposed
to
be
speaking
Spanish
and
he
comes
out.
X
He
says
my
name
is
Jeff,
but
in
Spanish
my
life
loses
her
mind
every
time.
I
say
that,
but
anyway,
moving
on
to
the
matter
at
hand,
so
really
we're
down
to
parking
worked
very
closely
with
Nick
here
for
the
last
three
months
and
through
several
rounds
of
site
plans
and
trying
to
meet
that
happy
medium
between
meeting
the
city
code
and
making
sure
the
tenant
is
happy,
so
I'm
a
preferred
developer
for
Dollar
Tree
I've
done
24
of
these
projects
in
the
state
of
Iowa
and
have
never
ventured
outside.
Really.
X
You
know
our
only
item
to
talk
about.
Is
this
48
foot
difference
between
staff
recommendation
and
what
the
tenant
wants
and
so
I'm
dancing
this
fine
line
of
how
do
I
make
them
happy
and
get
a
yes.
So
I'd
point
out
a
few
things.
Having
built
a
number
of
these
projects
and
on
this
site
plan
by
Shifting
The
Building
forward
50
feet,
we
lose
one
drive
aisle,
but
we
really
lose
half
of
our
parking.
So
we
don't
just
lose
a
row
of
parking.
We
lose
both
sides
of
that
drive.
X
Aisle
63
feet
is
required
for
a
drive,
aisle
and
parking
stalls
on
either
side
of
that.
So
moving
to
a
hundred
feet
really
takes
away.
50
percent
of
our
parking,
more
importantly,
and
the
driving
factor
for
not
going
to
consent
tonight
is
the
fact
that
the
tenant
requires
circulation.
So
if
you
can
imagine
somebody's
coming,
Northbound
Southeast
14th
Street
takes
a
right
and
we
have
a
single
Drive
aisle
and
there's
no
room
for
alternate
parking
because
of
the
size
of
the
building.
X
We
would
have
potentially
somebody
trying
to
back
out
of
a
parking
stall
and
we're
gonna
have
somebody
sitting
in
that
driveway
waiting
for
them
to
clear.
So
we
can
pull
a
car
in
by
creating
the
circulation,
and
this
is
a
requirement
from
our
tenant
here
that
they
have
multiple
points
for
cars
to
get
in
and
out
because
of
the
number
of
trips
made
to
this
store.
X
I
think
it's
interesting.
Statistically,
there
will
be
208
000
visitors
to
this
store
in
one
calendar
year,
so
you
can
imagine
a
number
of
people
in
and
out
where
the
average
consumer
spends
less
than
15
minutes
in
the
store
we
feel
like.
We
really
utilize
the
maximum.
We
could
on
this
space,
it's
a
smallish
site
for
the
size
of
the
building,
which
gave
us
no
alternative
to
create
additional
circulation
by
either
bringing
cars
around
or
behind
the
site,
to
give
us
an
option
to
help
drive
this
traffic.
X
The
other
driving
factor
for
our
tenant
here
is
their
process
for
unloading.
The
product,
they're
very
big,
on
secured
rear
entrances.
There's
no
public
accesses
to
the
rear
of
this
building,
so
parking
in
the
rear
of
the
building
would
certainly
take
away
any
consumer
side.
You
could
potentially
make
it
an
employee
parking
lot,
but
they
have
heavy
theft.
Concern
from
the
back
of
their
building
because
it
can
carry
crates
of
product
out,
not
just
a
single
one.
Dollar
item:
well:
dollar,
a
quarter
now,
but
anyway.
X
X
I
think
that's
about
it.
I
think
this
is
a
good
project
for
the
city
we
are
close,
but
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
tenant
was
unwilling
to
bend
when
I
did
hear
from
Nick
about
wanting
to
move
to
100
feet,
and
they
just
said
that
they
could
not
entertain
a
single
dry
vial.
They
felt
like
the
consumer,
would
be
trapped
in
that
and
would
certainly
Drive
sales
away
from
their
business
and
they
have
19
000
stores
that
fit
this
model
and
so
I'm
pretty
confident
in
their
analysis.
J
X
Would
be
awesome,
I
am
the
middleman
here.
I
would
point
that
out
I'm
a
I
would
consider
myself
a
professional
developer.
I've
been
doing
this
for
22
years.
I
started
very
young,
but
I
am
told
what
I'm
going
to
do
by
this
particular
tenant
and
they're.
Good
good
company
work
for
a
great
company
to
work
for,
but
that's
not
a
decision.
I
can
make.
X
I
would
not
disagree
with
that.
I
would
tell
you
Dollar
Tree
likes
to
have
their
parking
lot
with
their
consumer
and
there's
a
specific
number
of
steps.
This
consumer
is
willing
to
walk
to
the
front
door
to
shop
here
and
they
they
perform
this.
That
I
can't
give
you
that
data,
because
I
don't
have
that,
but
I
can
tell
you
they
have.
They
have
indicated
this
to
me.
They
want
to
they're
people
to
be
able
to
park
in
front
of
the
door
within
30
steps
of
the
front
door.
X
X
So
if
the
parking
lot
went
in
with
a
single
row,
you'd
have
to
drive
in
parking
a
spot
back
up
and
drive
out
the
same
one.
That
is
the
circulation
that
responding
to.
They
feel
like
that
dead
end
prohibits
of
people
from
pulling
in
because
it's
difficult,
it's
more
difficult
to
get
to
a
spot
when
there's
12
options,
and
only
one
driveway
in
and
out
off
of
the
access.
G
X
B
G
G
Just
as
a
quick
nod
to
staff
on
this
I
hope
the
strategy
of
being
able
like
look
at
shared
parking
and
then
the
future.
This
is
hugely
hugely
positively
awesome
and
whole
kinds
of
other
places,
especially
our
Ingersoll
issues
and
others
so
like
this
is
really
really.
It
seems
like
a
good
adoption
of
a
very
good
strategy.
I
hope
we
carry
forward.
B
B
D
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so
just
to
back
up
so
tonight
we're
looking
at
a
site
plan.
The
commission
and
people
that
are
maybe
are
involved
with
the
city
are
probably
well
aware
of
this
property.
There's
been
a
lot
of
zoning
action
here
and
so
the
last
time
the
commission
saw
this
was
in
May
of
2022,
the
applicant
attempted
to
rezone
the
property
to
allow
a
vehicle
upholstery
use.
So
there
was,
you
might
remember
at
the
time
there
was
a
big
debate
on
what
uses
were
allowed
here.
D
What
wasn't
allowed
here?
What's
classified
as
vehicle
repair
things
like
that,
so
that
was
a
debate
that
happened
last
year.
They
attempted
to
get
that
at
city
council
that
was
denied,
and
so
basically
we
reverted
back
to
older
rezoning
conditions
from
2020,
one
of
one
of
those
conditions
required
a
site
plan
and
so
that
through
that
time
the
applicant
has
been
working
with
us
and
that's
the
submission
that's
before
us
tonight
is
the
site
plan.
That's
required
per
those
zoning
conditions.
D
There
is
still
active
zoning
enforcement
at
the
property
as
long
as
the
applicant
is
continuing
to
work
with
us
on
the
site
plan
piece,
the
building
permit
piece
we
basically
hold
or
stay
that
enforcement,
and
so
basically
there's
communication
between
the
applicant
and
us
zoning
enforcement
activities
working
through
the
site
plan
with
the
applicant
and
their
Consultants
that
are
here
tonight,
and
so
that
has
led
us
to
this
point.
The
reason
that
we're
at
the
commission
for
this
site
plan
is
for
the
two
items
that
are
up
there
on
the
screen.
D
There's
a
couple
elements
of
the
building
design
that
aren't
necessarily
compliant
with
city
code
they're,
asking
for
relief
of
those
items
as
staff
were
supportive
and
I'll.
Explain
why
they're
really
really
the
Crux
of
it
is
they're,
proposing
a
building
modification
to
add
an
overhead
door
and
as
part
of
that
addition
to
that
Overhead,
Door
they're,
going
to
take
out
some
windows,
and
so
the
building
already
doesn't
have
a
ton
of
Windows
and
look
at
the
street
view.
D
You'll
see
that
and
so
they're
reducing
that
transparency,
even
more,
which
is
not
allowed
you're
not
allowed
to
reduce
Street
facing
transparency.
So
that's
the
first
design
alternative
that
they're
seeking
and
then
overhead
doors
are
not
permitted
on
a
primary
in
Frontage
facade,
and
so
there's
only
one
Frontage.
Here,
it's
Army
Post,
that's
considered
the
primary
Frontage.
You
can't
add
any
overhead
doors,
so
I'll
walk
through
the
report
and
recommendation,
so
here's
the
site
now
everybody's,
probably
relatively
familiar
with
it.
D
This
is
on
Army
Post,
we're
about
a
third
of
a
mile
east
of
Fleur
and
about
a
quarter
mile
west
of
Southwest
night,
so
in
between
Southwest
night
and
Fleur
on
Army
Post
Road
on
the
South
Side,
really
kind
of
a
diverse
commercial
Corridor
through
here
's
an
image
of
the
site.
This
was
taken
last
night,
so
I'll
just
highlight
this
and
look
at
the
elevations
too
generally.
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor,
this
is
where
the
overhead
door
would
go,
and
these
These
are
the
windows
that
would
be
removed.
D
You
can
see,
there's
already
other
overhead
doors
that
do
exist
on
the
building
dig
into
the
site
plan.
Here
generally,
this
this
view
shows
some
of
the
pavement
removals
that
are
proposed
and
here's
the
Landscaping
plan
that
shows
compliance
with
the
chapter
135
standards,
establishing
a
Paving
setback,
Street,
trees,
buffer
trees,
some
of
the
Interior
parking
lot
landscaping
and
then
the
rear,
the
siding,
rear,
buffering
as
well.
D
Here's
the
building
elevations.
So
this
is
where
that
new
overhead
door
is
proposed
right
here.
So
if
we
go
back
to
the
street
view,
there's
a
there's,
a
set
of
windows
that
are
here
and
so
those
are
going
away
and
that's
where
the
new
overhead
door
is
going
as
part
of
the
building
and
site
improvements.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
actually
pretty
substantially
change
the
exterior
facades
of
the
building,
at
least
on
the
front.
D
We
think
that
really
the
the
building
aesthetically
is
going
to
be
improved
a
lot
and
so
with
the
existing
condition
of
already
having
a
lot
of
Overhead
Doors,
there's
already
not
a
lot
of
transparency.
As
the
stat
position
was,
we
don't
think
the
request
really
quote
unquote
worsens
the
condition
of
the
building,
particularly
with
the
facade
improvements,
and
so
we
recommend
approval
now.
D
At
the
same
time,
in
our
recommendation
we
do
acknowledge
some
of
the
zoning
enforcement
issues
that
have
taken
place
at
this
property,
and
so
we
decided
to
set
a
Sunset
date
on
here,
for
when
the
improvements
will
be
completed
by
the
applicant
has
agreed
with
our
recommendation.
So
that's
why
the
item
they
were
amenable
to
it
being
moved
to
consent
earlier.
J
D
So
that
is
also
existing.
It's
hard
to
tell
it's
hard
to
tell,
because
it's
set
back
so
my
photo
I
was
trying
to
take
photos
of
there
of
it
yesterday
and
I
probably
should
have
taken
or
include
another
one
in
my
presentation,
but
the
building
is
so
long.
It's
really
hard
to
see
so
see
this
here.
Is
it
door
number
eight
believe?
So
if
you're
are
you
on
street
view
right
now,.
D
J
J
Sure
when
I
would
look
at
those
elevations
and
I
would
sit
in
front
of
the
building
and
I
would
count
the
doors
yes
and
I
would
look
at
the
elevation
and
there
would
still
be
five
there
and
you
kept
saying
you're
gonna,
add
one
sure
so
and
I
appreciate
that
a
professional
has
been
hired
by
the
owner,
because
there
has
been
a
lot
of
City
staff,
and
this
commission's
time
spent
on
getting
to
this
point.
I
was
very
excited
to
ride
by
the
facility
yesterday
and
see
workers
working
on
it.
J
C
I'll
have
to
hurry
it's
almost
my
bedtime,
Ed
ARP
civil
engineering,
Consultants
2400
86th
Street
in
Urbandale,
representing
tiger
Knight,
Barry
Nelson,
the
owner,
couldn't
be
president
tonight
he's
away
on
business,
but
I
think
we
finally
have
this
kind
of
figured
out.
It's
I've
been
working
on
this
for
six
years
and
through
very
many
iterations
and
attempts
it's
one
of
those
deals
where
it's
a
difficult
building,
because
it
was
industrial
nature
and
to
try
to
retrofit.
C
C
C
B
H
Just
going
to
quickly
mention
that
the
next
meeting
on
August
3rd,
we
will
have
a
5
30
session
on
the
draft
of
the
new
historic
preservation
plan,
reflect
DSM
and
then
also
on
either
a
meeting.
The
second
meeting
in
September
or
a
meeting
in
October
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
from
the
engineering
department
on
division,
zero
plan
that
we've
heard
talked
about
a
few
times
now.
So
very.