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From YouTube: 7-6-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, July 6, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
At
six
o'clock,
one
time
all
right
welcome
everyone
to
the
July
6
plan
and
zoning
commission
meeting
I
will
go
ahead
and
read
the
rules
and
procedures.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
the
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plans,
unless
the
Niles
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
A
A
Items
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
consider
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda.
A
All
right
minutes
approved
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
through
the
consent
items
on
tonight's
agenda
item
number
one:
sell
requests
from
euclip
foresight
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
at
39,
3619,
5th,
Avenue
determination
as
to
whether
the
request
of
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
plan
DSM.
Creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan.
A
B
amend
the
plan
DSM
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan
to
revise
the
future
land
use
classification
for
the
property
from
low
density
residential
within
a
neighborhood
node
to
Neighborhood
mixed
use
within
a
neighborhood
node
and
item
C
to
rezone
the
property
from
N5
neighborhood
District
to
mx1
mixed-use
District.
To
allow
for
the
use
of
the
property
as
a
surface
parking
lot
accessory
to
the
property
to
the
South.
A
Anyone
on
the
commission
seeing
none.
This
item
will
remain
item
number
five
request
from
Park
in
the
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
the
public
hearing
site
plan
parking,
the
town
homes
for
property
located
at
3140,
Indianola
Avenue
and
for
the
following
type:
2
design,
alternatives
in
accordance
with
city
code
item
a
allow
for
a
front
lot
line
coverage
of
approximately
39
percent
on
each
Frontage
when
the
requirement
is
80
percent.
A
Item
B
allow
ground
story
entrance
elevations
of
approximately
six
feet
above
the
public
sidewalk
when
these
entrances
are
required
to
be
in
between
0
and
4.5.
Above
the
public
sidewalk
item
C
allow
vehicular
parking
in
a
limited
side
yard
when
vehicular
parking
is
only
allowed
and
permitted
in
rear
yards.
A
Item
five
will
remain
item.
Six
is
a
request
from
Sing
Dev
LLC
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan,
Hardeep
c-store
for
property
located
at
5901
Fleur
Drive
and
for
a
denied
type
1
design
alternative
in
accordance
with
city
code,
to
allow
retention
of
a
drive
access
from
a
primary
Street
when
Drive
accesses
are
required
to
be
situated
off
of
alleys
or
nine
primary
streets.
A
Is
there
anyone
on
the
audience
that
would
like
to
discuss
this
item
tonight
or
anyone
from
the
commission
seeing
none?
This
item
will
remain
and
will
be
moved
to
the
next
meeting.
Continuing
to
the
max
meeting
item,
seven
is
a
request
from
a
neighborhood
development
Court
for
the
following
regarding
property
located
in
the
vicinity
of
3103
Forest
Avenue,
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
requested
rezoning
is
in
conformance
with
the
plan
DSM
creating
our
tomorrow
comprehensive
plan.
A
B
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
suraji,
chakraborty
planning
staff
I'm
going
to
present
item
9,
which
is
a
rezoning
request
for
a
property
located
at
3605
50
East
56th
Street.
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
n1a
neighborhood
District
to
n2b-2
Neighborhood
District,
to
allow
the
development
of
the
property
into
three
lots
with
two
residential
units
per
lot.
C
So
this
is
the
subject
property,
as
you
can
see,
it's
located
along
East,
56th
Street,
just
south
of
East
Douglas
Avenue,
where
it
dead
ends
into
East,
56th
Street.
The
General
Uses
in
the
vicinity
are
predominantly
residential,
both
a
single
family
as
well
as
multi-family
residential
there's.
Some
pictures
of
the
subject
property.
It's
currently
undeveloped.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
conceptual
sketch
that
the
applicant
submitted
and
here
is
East
56th
Street.
C
The
subject
parcel
is
here
it's
about
0.7
acres
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
intention
here
is
to
develop
these
into
three
lots
with
a
duplex
in
each
of
those
lots.
There
is
an
access
off
of
an
existing
Private
Drive
and
there
is
a
north-south
proposed
north-south
Drive
access
that
provides
access
to
the
three
Parcels
again
I
want
to
point
out.
This
is
just
a
conceptual
sketch.
We
are
looking
at
the
use
and
the
rezoning.
So
this
just
gives
us
a
conceptual
idea
of
what
could
potentially
be
developed
on
this
particular
site.
C
So
a
few
things
to
note
here
this
is
not
within
a
designated
neighborhood
association,
but
it
is,
is
within
250
feet
of
the
Brook
Run
neighborhood
association.
The
designated
land
use
is
low,
medium
density,
residential,
the
proposed
land
use
and
the
proposed
density
conforms
to
the
low
medium
density
residential.
Therefore,
we
are
not
looking
at
a
land
use
plan.
Amendment
the
low
medium
density
residential
allows
up
to
12
residential
units
per
acre.
C
The
n2b-2
rezoning
request
is
to
allow
the
two
residential
units
per
lot
as
a
as
as
I
mentioned,
duplexes
are
being
proposed,
and
so
that
Dash
2
designation
is
to
be
able
to
allow
those
two
residential
units
per
lot.
Staff
believes
that
this
proposed
rezoning
is,
in
conformance
with
the
land
use
designation,
as
well
as
the
character
of
the
area
as
predominantly
there's
low
and
low
low
medium
density
residential
in
the
vicinity.
The
proposed
density
would
allow
maximum
of
eight
dwelling
units
for
this
particular
lot,
as
the
size
is
approximately
0.7
Acres.
C
A
couple
things
to
note
here
is
that
there
is
no
public
sanitary
sewer
or
storm
sewer
that
fronts
the
subject
property,
the
the
the
closest
connection,
would
be
about
225
feet
south
on
the
East
56th
Street
right
away
in
terms
of
the
design
for
the
proposal,
this
particular
zoning
District.
If
it
is
reasoned
to
an
n2b-2,
the
the
duplexes
would
have
to
be
constructed
in
accordance
with
the
house.
C
A
building
type
of
our
zoning
code,
So
based
on
the
submitted
sketch
the
conceptual
submitted
sketch
stuff,
did
a
very
cursory
and
rough
review,
and
and
would
like
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
both
the
commission
and
the
applicant
that
there
could
be
potentially
some
design
Alternatives
that
might
be
needed
which
relate
to
things
such
as
maximum
impervious
area
in
the
front
yard.
The
maximum
allowed
driveway
coverage
and
floor
finish
floor
area,
the
configuration
of
the
primary
entrance,
the
building
articulation,
and
that
kind
of
thing
again.
C
C
Additionally,
I
would
like
to
note
that
there
is
a
public
site
path
or
multi-use
trail
that
is
planned
along
East,
56th
Street,
and
so
when,
during
the
site
planning
stage,
the
applicant
would
have
to
incorporate
that
into
the
into
the
final
site
design.
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
of
the
rezoning
request
to
n2b-2
district
from
n1a
District,
we
did
not
receive
any
comment
cards
or
letters
for
this
particular
rezoning
proposal.
C
Yes,
I
believe
so
we
do
not
have
any
conditions
any
zoning
conditions.
We
did
want
to
keep
this
under
discussion
to
make
sure
that
we
were
able
to
point
out
that,
based
on
the
conceptual
sketch
that
the
applicant
provided,
there
would
be
potentially
some
design
relief
that
might
be
needed.
So
we
did
want
to
bring
that
to
everyone's
attention.
Okay,.
E
C
E
C
B
So
yeah
well
and
just
I
think
what
maybe
there's
two
things
here
going
on:
there's
kind
of
zoning
and
what
the
zoning
will
allow,
but
then
there's
the
density
that
comes
out
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
what
135
relies
on.
So
this
actual
zoning
would
only
allow
duplex
configurations,
so
it
would
depend
on
how
they
divided
out
the
land
right
now.
Their
concept
is
to
do
the
three
lots
of
the
three
duplexes,
but
in
theory,
there's
enough
land
area
to
do
that.
Eight.
F
G
My
name
is
Nick
Stevenson
with
SNS
home
builders,
address
3701
62nd,
Street
Des
Moines
Iowa,
so
she
pretty
much
covered
everything
on
that.
The
two
things
that
did
come
up
was
the
proposed
use
Trail
in
the
front
which
we
had
already
planned
some
space
for.
If
that
does
come
up,
we
can
accommodate
that
no
problem,
the
also
on
the
front,
just
the
how
the
to
work,
the
driveways,
the
street
with
number
of
trees
and
things
that
are
needed
up
front
visually,
which
we
can
work
with.
A
A
H
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
Nick
tarpy
planning
staff,
so
this
site
might
be
familiar
with
a
lot
of
you,
so
back
in
2021
is
when
there
was
an
original
extent
at
this
site
at
Starbucks,
they
pursued
a
rezoning
were
awarded
that
rezoning
to
allow
a
drive-through
or
keep
a
pre-existing
drive
through
at
that
facility.
There
was
a
site
plan
also
at
that
time
to
do
site
improvements
there
to
allow
the
building
to
be
occupied
by
a
Starbucks
that
was
approved
in
April
of
2021..
H
So
that's
over
two
years
ago,
basically
Flash
Forward,
now
fast
forward
to
now
the
applicant
has,
since
Consolidated
and
kind
of
made
their
site
a
little
bit
larger
through
some
Acquisitions
and
really
they're,
proposing
an
expansion
of
their
existing
parking
lot
at
their
new
larger
site,
so
I
walked
through
the
area.
We
can
look
at
that,
but
just
wanted
to
give
people
context.
You're,
like
I,
already
saw
the
Starbucks
a
couple
years
ago.
H
All
right
so
digging
into
the
aerial
here,
so
this
is
a
little
bit
older.
It
doesn't
show
all
the
site
improvements,
but
generally
you
can
kind
of
get
the
gist
of
it.
So
here's
the
existing
building
he's
getting
existing
Starbucks
today,
really
the
current
site
and
the
site
plan
that
we
have
approved
on
file
is
really
for
this
area.
If
you
can
see
my
cursor
here
and
really
the
area
of
expansion
where
the
parking
would
go
would
be
this
area
here
that
exists
just
to
the
east.
This
area,
as
people
are
probably
pretty
familiar.
H
It's
pretty
high
profile
location
within
the
city,
along
your
Ingersoll
Corridor,
in
between
24th
and
28th,
so
24th
Street
over
the
East
here
28th
as
you
head
further
to
the
West.
This
area
looks
a
little
bit
different
than
this
aerial
shows.
There's
been
a
lot
of
streetscape
improvements
and
new
developments.
Things
like
that
that
have
cropped
up
over
the
last
year,
so.
H
H
Here's
just
a
different
view,
just
looking
straight
on
at
the
site
here,
so
digging
into
the
site
plan.
So
I
did
want
to
highlight
the
existing
conditions
here.
So
that's
with
this
map
or
this
image
that
you
can
see
at
the
top
of
the
screen
right
now,
this
portion
of
the
site.
It
sits
about
anywhere
from
about
eight
to
ten
feet
above
the
adjacent
sidewalk
elevation
and
generally
how
the
applicant
would
be
proposing
to
do
the
site
improvements
here.
Really
they've
got
a
row
of
parking
here
that
exists
along
the
east
side
of
the
building.
H
They'd
be
removing
a
few
of
those
spaces
to
allow
a
vehicular
climb
or
an
access
to
the
East
and
then
have
a
double
loaded
row
of
parking
on
this
part
of
the
site
here,
and
you
can
see
that
play
out.
Oh
excuse
me
see
that
play
out
here
on
this
Dimension
plan,
so
something
I
do
want
to
emphasize
too
or
just
clarify
right
now,
there's
16
vehicular
parking
spaces
on
the
site
right
now
the
expansion
would
net
them
11
more,
so
they
go
from
16
to
27.
H
If
we're
thinking
about
parking
counts
so
and
then
the
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
specifically
related
to
the
language
about
the
relief,
so
businesses
or
properties
are
allowed
to
have
what's
called
a
limited
side,
parking
configuration
and
what
that
means
is.
It's
really
means
like
one
row
of
parking
in
a
side
yard
is
allowed,
and
so
that's
defined
by
behind
this
front
facade
of
the
building.
H
So
by
right
they
are
allowed
to
have
a
one
row
of
either
single
or
double
loaded
parking
in
a
side
yard
behind
the
front
facade
of
the
building
and
really
what
this
expansion
is
doing.
There's
Drive
aisles
and
parking
spaces
that
one
are
in
front
of
the
front
facade
and
then
two
we
have
three
rows
of
parking
here.
So
that
is
really
what's
considered,
side
yard
parking
and
it's
not
limited
side.
It
was
limited
side.
You
just
have
one
aisle
with
either
a
single
or
a
double
row,
so
I
just
wanted
to
really
clarify
that.
H
Sticking
to
a
couple
other
views
here
just
wanted
to
flash
a
landscaping
plan.
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
times
that
comes
up.
People
have
questions
about
that,
so
this
is
how
they
would
landscape
the
site
dig
into
the
staff
report.
Now
so
generally,
if
you
read
your
staff
report,
I
think
initially,
when
we
during
this
the
staff
analysis
section,
we
really
really
dug
into
that
definition
of
what
is
of
limited
side
yard
of
parking.
H
H
The
redesigned,
Street
Transit
bus,
stop
enhancements,
improved
sidewalk
streetscape
things
like
that,
and
so
there
has
been
a
lot
of
investment
that
is
designed
to
promote
a
lot
of
different
types
of
Mobility,
not
just
driving,
necessarily
and
then
also
more
efficient
land
use
patterns,
so
a
little
bit
more
intensive
development
Styles.
So
that
was
something
that
staff
that
we
considered
and
then
on
the
private
end
too,
there's
been
some
Market
forces
that
have
basically
added
some
Redevelopment
along
the
corridor
in
recent
years.
So
a
couple
examples
I
can
think
of
off.
H
The
top
of
my
head
is
the
star
Lots
project
that
was
before
this
commission
back
in
November
and
then
also
the
development
a
little
bit
further
to
the
east
at
24th
and
Ingersoll,
where
Thai
flavors
is.
If
people
are
familiar
with
that,
so
there's
been
some
changes
that
I
think
have
fostered
more
that
sense
of
more
of
a
denser
corridor
and
then
also
just
thinking
about
the
existing
context.
Really
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
aerial
here.
H
Thinking
about
the
existing
context,
there
are
large
parking
lots
that
do
exist
on
on
either
side
of
Ingersoll.
Here
and
while
I
know,
an
expansion
would
be
small
and
maybe
in
some
people's
minds
insignificant,
it
would
worsen
this
condition,
and
so
that's
something
that,
as
staff,
we
did
want
to
consider
and
point
out
to
the
commission
as
well.
H
So
taking
all
that
into
consideration,
we
also
wanted
to
highlight
what
is
playing
DSM
say
about
this
and
specifically
within
plan
DSM,
the
land
use
section,
there's
a
couple
of
goals
that
really
highlight
prioritizing
development
along
nodes
and
corridors,
really
mixed
use,
a
little
higher
density
Redevelopment
and
a
parking
lot.
Expansion
to
allows
surface
slot
adjacent
to
a
public.
Right-Of-Way
really
contradicts
some
of
those
goals
that
are
talked
about
in
the
land
use
section
of
playing
DSM.
So
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
as
well.
H
So,
taking
all
that
into
consideration,
I
think
you
know,
staff
will
also
realistic.
We
understand
that
businesses
during
certain
times
a
day
they
have
really
high
volumes
and
they
are
stressed
with
specific
on-site
parking
needs,
I
think
as
staff.
We
understand
that
we
know
that
there
is
a
challenge
with
that:
we're
not
naive
to
that,
and
so
to
respond
to
this
need
a
staff.
We
understand
that
people
need
might
need
to
add
parking
to
their
sites
but
to
further
our
land
use
and
our
Urban
Design
goals.
H
There
are
certain
ways
for
the
code
where
that
is
allowed
to
be
added
so
either
in
a
limited
side,
fashion
really
kind
of
like
what
you
call
like
an
alley
configuration
on
your
site
or
behind
the
building.
Now
we
understand,
with
this
site,
there's
some
topographic
challenges
they're
a
little
bit
limited
by
their
geography.
We
get
that,
but
taking
all
that
into
consideration.
H
Thinking
about
the
context
that
I
pointed
out
earlier,
and
and
also
some
of
the
other
criteria
that
we're
thinking
about
here
too-
that
it
still
was
not
really
appropriate
as
staff
to
recommend
approval
for
that
and
really
there's
three
main
reasons
for
that.
One
is
the
availability
of
on-site
parking
or
on-street
parking
adjacent
to
the
site,
either
directly
budding
the
site
or
within
a
two
to
three
block
radius.
At
different
times
of
the
day.
H
In
the
last
couple
years,
there's
been
a
lot
of
development,
of
different
types
of
Mobility
options
that
can
have
people
access
sites,
not
necessarily
needing
a
a
car
or
a
single
vehicle
trip.
People
can
take
the
bus,
so
they
can
walk
or
they
can
bike,
and
that
has
become
a
lot
more
palatable
on
this
Corridor
and
and
really
especially
compared
to
other
parts
of
the
city,
as
people
may
know.
H
H
So
this
is
the
really
the
area
that
was
notified
where
we
send
out
comma
courts
this
letter
here.
So
this
is
from
the
Avenues,
which
is
a
non-profit
organization.
That
really
has
done
a
lot
of
investment,
I,
think
and
business
support
along
the
corridor
and
so
I'll
just
let
this
hang
here.
You
guys
can
read
what
they
had
to
say:
I'll
zoom
into.
H
D
B
D
B
But
it
could
be
something
where
they
work.
Something
out.
You
know,
I
think
that's
something.
We'd
have
to
have
some
conversation,
but
I,
don't
know
that
the
commission's
action
I
think
you'd
be
reacting
more
to
what
the
applicant
might
have
to
say
about
it
and
then
second,
the
art
or
Landscaping,
that
sort
of
stuff
that
that's
a
physical
Improvement,
so
I
think
you're
fully
in
your
right
to
ask
for
screening
and
stuff
that
would
compensate
for
this.
This
Improvement,
that's
a
fair
trade
or
fair
you're.
Mitigating
impact.
K
D
B
L
H
Think
we
talked
about
that
I
mean
that's
I,
don't
know
if
that's
necessarily
a
staff's
position
to
impose
or
dictate
necessarily
I
think
potentially
there's
also
an
opportunity.
I
think
there's
a
large
parcel
next
door.
Where
you
have
a
surface
parking
lot.
You
know
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
combine
Parcels
in
Combined
areas
to
make
something
larger
into
the
future.
I
think
we
were
trying
to
think
about
both
of
those
potential
scenarios.
F
I
would
just
be
interested
in
there
being
like
I
know.
We
can't
demand
it,
but
like
a
no-till
band,
that
they
don't
sign
a
contract
with
the
individual
towing
company
and
they
just
let
the
space
be
used
once
the
Cafe
is
closed.
I
know
we
can't
do
it,
but
I'd
push
for
that.
Definitely
with
that
space
being
very
limited
part,
so,
but
I
I'm
for
it.
M
M
If
you
look
at
the
landscape
land
we're
proposing
to
do
similar
type
Landscaping,
we
propose
to
put
a
screen
wall,
I,
think
some
sort
of
a
a
fencing
to
somewhat
hide
or
mitigate
the
having
the
parking
on
the
side
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
on
the
back,
and
if
you
think
about
what
you
can
do
with
0.16
Acres,
there's
just
really
nothing.
You
can
build
to
better
utilize
that
space
in
talking
to
our
employees.
M
They
have
tried
to
park
in
the
Taco
Bell
Taco
John's
parking
lot
and
their
cars
have
been
towed
or
they've
been
ticketed.
They
haven't
had
the
ability
to
to
utilize
that
parking
lot
and
Noah's
is
the
same
way.
They
just
haven't
been
open
to
allowing
us
to
to
share
parking
I
think
we
would
be
open
to
your
idea
of
a
no-toe
agreement
and
we
would
allow
the
the
neighbors
to
to
share
parking
as
parking
stalls
are
available.
So
we
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
A
I
Yeah
I
do
I
know
that
there's
a
an
existing
retaining
wall
structure
on
that
site
now,
and
it
looks
like
that.
It's
maybe
two
owners
or
two
separately
built
retaining
structures
and
it
looks
like
the
one
to
the
east
is
out
of
plane
with
the
with
the
one
along
Ingersoll
and
it's
maybe
in
a
early
state
of
failure
and
I
guess.
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you're
mitigating
that
failure
with
this
development
that.
M
M
N
Yeah
Nikki
Neal
was
civil
design,
Advantage
4121
Northwest
Urbandale
drive.
We
are
the
civil
engineers
on
the
project,
so
correct
that
portion
of
the
Noah's
Ark
is
what
we're
talking
about
that
wall
would
be
removed.
So
if
you
imagine
their
back
wall
would
then
be
expanded
and
pulled
behind
this
property.
N
But
yes,
so
if
you
imagine
the
frontage
wall,
that's
there
we
go
so
I
think
it
shows
again
awesome
okay,
so
this
whole
wall
that
you're
talking
about
I,
think
that's
kind
of
starting
to
give
that
ball
would
be
removed.
And
if
you
kind
of
see
where
this
wall
is
on
the
back
side,
we
would
imagine
tying
into
that
and
pulling
that
and
wrapping
it
back
around
this
property
on
the
back
side.
So,
basically
we're
taking
this.
I
E
E
You
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on
there
as
a
bicyclist,
I'm
I'm
got
my
ears
wide,
open
and
my
eyes
wide
open
there.
So
most
people
use
your
drive
through
right.
Obviously,
most
of
your
customers
are
using
your
drive
through,
for
instance,
the
last
day
and
a
half
I
went
by
and
counted
eight
seven
and
six
cars
in
your
lot
at
any
one
time.
E
My
question
is
well
Taco.
John's
may
not
like
your
employees
parking
there,
nor
the
pound,
cheros
people,
the
gentleman
that
owns
Office,
Max
and
Dollar
General,
and
that
lot
is
different
and
he
is
going
to
be
rehabbing.
The
hojos
right
behind
you
have.
You
talked
to
him
about
your
employees
parking
in
his
lot.
N
Watch
and
safety
concerns
specifically
in
this
area
and
I
would
say
what
we're
looking
at
on
the
screen.
Not
obviously
yes,
there's
it
visually
looks
not
great
right
now,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
to
me:
that's
a
safety
concern
when
a
car
is
stopping
to
come
out
and
then
you
have
pedestrians,
so
there's
visually
a
blocker
at
this
point,
and
so
that's
part
of
also,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
ease
that
safety
concern
when.
E
It
comes
with
this
wall,
correct,
so
being
able
not
this
wall,
that's
not
where
the
safety
is
right.
Now,
if
the
wall
falls
down,
it's
unsafe.
The
the
big
safety
from
a
bicyclist
point
of
view
is
right
when
they're
coming
down
next
to
Taco,
John's
and
flipping
into
your
drive
through
and
coming
out
of
your
drive
through.
That's
not
where
this
is
right.
N
N
N
E
E
N
So
when
this
property
was
initially
developed,
they
did
not
own
that
piece
of
land,
so
we
did
not
have
any
say
over
if
this
wall,
nor
did
the
city
have
say
to
tell
us
to
take
this
wall
down
or
not
for
visibility
purposes.
Now
we
have
purchased
this
piece.
Four,
that's
a
portion
of
the
reason
for
that.
As
we
know,
that
is
a
safety
concern.
There
is
no
actual
access
legal
access
to
this
property
either
today,
so
there's
no
existing
easements
in
place.
N
The
only
way
to
access
this
property
is
technically
to
illegally
go
through
Noah's
Ark
wrap
up
around.
So
it's
actually,
this
portion
really
is
undevelopable
when
it
comes
to
access
easements
when
it
comes
to
setbacks
and
really
just
the
extreme
Tope
on
this
site.
You
know
those
are,
as
stated,
eight
to
ten
foot
walls
that
this
is
elevated
in
a
platform
on.
I
N
Yep,
so
that's
one
of
those
items
that
we've
really
thought
about
too,
is
yes,
this
meets
and
kind
of
solves
this
immediate
need
for
not
only
Starbucks
and
kind
of
this
area
and
the
congestion,
but
then
in
the
future.
Now
what
we've
taken?
Is
this
really
undeveloped?
Parcel
we've
combined
it
with
a
larger
parcel
that
in
the
future
say
if
Starbucks
was
to
ever
leave
say
if
this
building
is
no
longer
occupied,
we
have
that
space
to
actually
redevelop
this
whole
piece
into
something
say
much
more
high
density
that
would
be
I
know
probably
desired.
D
A
K
K
That's
now
starting
in
the
neighborhood
I
live
in
on
the
North
side
to
take
these
thoroughfares
and
redistribute
the
equity
so
that
pedestrians
do
have
more
power
and
do
have
more
control
in
these
settings
and
the
philosophy
of
all
of
that
doesn't
work.
If
we're
incentivizing
people
to
drive
there
and
when
we
add
parking
spots,
what
are
we
doing
and
I'll
be
really
honest?
This
dude
clearly
doesn't
live
here,
he's
from
Omaha,
so
he
doesn't
know
this.
K
K
A
P
Good
evening
I
know
some
of
you
not
all
of
you
pleasure
to
speak
with
you.
My
name
is
Alex
Davis
here,
one
I
do
live,
I
live
at
on
26th
and
Woodland,
so
this
is
literally
three
or
four
blocks
by
my
house.
My
Carol
I
use
the
bike
Lanes
very
frequently
in
this
Corridor.
All
the
time
excited
to
see
them
installed.
P
P
This
is
not
really
it's
not
a
big
lot,
it's
not
a
thing,
but
it's
kind
of
symbolic
and
so
I
guess
you
know,
my
thought
is.
If
the
mayor
can
complain
about
losing
20
parking
spots,
I
can
complain
about
adding
20
parking
spots.
So
I
think
this
is.
This.
Is
the
symbology
of
we're
trying
to
make
a
corridor
for
everyone
we're
trying
to
make
it
pedestrian
bicycle
friendly?
P
You
know,
ideally,
there
wouldn't
even
be
a
drive-through
on
this
Corridor,
but
that's
Legacy
mistakes.
We
have
to
deal
with
it,
so
I
I
hope
we
can
continue
our
our
stated
position
around
Ingersoll
is.
We
need
to
continue
to
build
more
safe
connections
so
that
there
will
be
more
cyclists
and
pedestrians
who
can
access
it?
It's
the
literally
only
safe
route
like
you,
can
be
safe
on
there,
but
then
the
second
you
leave
Ingersoll
on
as
a
cyclist
you're
back
in
the
road.
P
We
want
to
see
the
elimination
of
these
conflict
points,
so
we
still
and
to
you
at
Planet
Zone.
When
you
look
at
plants,
look
at
ways
to
funnel
drivers
onto
side
streets
Alleyways
reduce
those
points
where
they're
having
to
cross
with
the
cyclists
and
the
pedestrians.
Obviously,
a
drive-through
on
Ingersoll
does
the
opposite
of
that.
P
We
want
to
see
more
shared
parking
resources,
as
stated
over
and
over
again
there's
a
ton
of
parking
on
Ingersoll
that
sits
empty
for
18
to
20
hours
a
day
and
terrible
land
use,
and
then
we
want
to
see
more
robust
Transportation.
So
hopefully,
if
we
continue
to
do
all
that,
we'll
see
a
corridor
that
can
really
see
true
modal
shift
allow
people
to
do
things
other
than
just
drive
there,
which
should
align
with
move
DSM,
should
align
with
adapt
DSM
and
all
our
planes
plans
become
a
sustainable
City.
P
Q
Name
is
Chase
Seibert
I
live
at
1989,
Southwest,
9th
Street,
so
just
about
two
miles
from
this
location.
I
just
want
to
Echo
everything.
They
said,
I
think
there's
plenty
of
opportunity
for
shared
parking.
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
add
any
more
spots
to
this
area,
I
like
to
keep
focusing
on
pedestrian
and
bike
safety
and
yeah.
That's
really
it
so.
Thank
you.
N
I
know
a
few
of
the
points.
As
we
was
stated,
slap
in
the
face
for
the
corridor
work
and
I
would
almost
say:
that's
the
complete
opposite.
That's
saying
that
what
you
guys
have
done
in
the
investment
that's
been
created
is
working.
It's
bringing
people
to
Ingersoll
so
and
you're
having
companies
come
in
and
want
to
develop
and
redevelop
within
this
area.
So
I
would
kind
of
disagree,
I!
Guess
with
that,
but
that's
my
thoughts.
N
Starbucks
peak
hours
and
very
specific
for
this
location
is
Monday
through
Friday
7,
30
a.m,
to
9
30
a.m,
Saturdays
8,
30
to
10,
30
a.m
and
Sundays
8
30
to
10
30
a.m.
I
even
have
customer
numbers
based
on
that,
so
I
would
say
that
is
probably
a
false
statement
that
it
is
yes
still
first
thing
in
the
morning.
Generally,
it's
a
coffee
shop,
first
and
foremost
so
first
thing
in
the
morning
and
just
to
speak
on
the
bike
parking.
Currently
we
have
two
spaces
on
site
with
12
provided
off-site.
J
Ahead,
let
me
share
something
I've
experienced
in
Small
Town
Iowa
parking
on
Main
Street.
You
can
see
a
car
parked
in
front
of
a
store
during
the
whole
time.
The
store
is
open
and
it's
the
owner
or
the
manager
that
parks
there,
and
it
makes
it
kind
of
inconvenient
for
people
that
want
to
park
there
and
buy
things
right.
J
J
I
Thank
you.
I
support
the
the
requested
relief
for
this
and
I'll
try
to
explain
why,
because
I
do
have
sympathy
and
and
relate
to
the
idea
that
the
trend
and
the
desire
for
Ingersoll
in
particular
and
a
lot
of
our
streets
is
towards
a
more
inclusive
and
pedestrian-oriented
streetscape,
but
I
think
that
that's
a
long-term
process
that
is
actually
served
by
this
successful
Redevelopment
of
of
an
existing
fast
food
building.
I
That's
probably
it
was
near
the
end
of
its
useful
life
into
a
Starbucks
with
a
20-year
lease
which
has
become
a
very
valuable
property
and
I,
don't
think
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
inappropriate
to
think
about
how
the
value
of
this
property
has
been
increased
by
this
Redevelopment,
which
was
not
allowed
by
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
had
to
receive
relief
to
even
become
a
Starbucks
and
the
fact
that
the
Starbucks
has
been
successful
enough
that
it
justifies
this
expense.
I
This
additional
additional
investment
in
the
property,
I
think
is
a
good
sign
and
I
think
that
when
in
15
or
20
years,
when
Starbucks
goes
away,
that
the
opportunity
for
redevelopment
at
that
time
is
probably
we'd
probably
have
a
hard
time
imagining.
What
this
land
might
support
at
that
point,
I
think
the
opportunities
for
a
successful
Redevelopment
within
our
lifetime.
I
It's
increased
by
allowing
Starbucks
to
add
parking
now,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
about
is
that
if
this
owner
hadn't
bought
this
small
undevelopable
parcel,
it
would
remain
undevelopable
forever,
because
unless
the,
unless
the
Noah's
family
bought
it
and
and
included
it
with
theirs.
So
this
is
probably
a
best
case
scenario
for
this
particular
piece
of
ground
for
now.
So
I
think
from
a
pragmatic
point
of
view,
I
support
this
while
I
do
agree
with
and
respect
some
of
the
opposing
points
of
view
that
have
been
shared
I.
A
A
F
E
I
I
will
not
be
supporting
your
motion
and
I
and
I
just
want
to
say
once
again
it's
clear
where,
where
I
lie
the
corridor
is
here
now
the
Investments
have
been
made.
Now
it's
working
now,
it's
not
20
years
from
now,
and
if
we
continue
to
support
the
use
of
driving
your
car
and
building
a
bigger
lot
that
it's
not
like,
the
lot
is
bulging
today
from
overuse.
E
F
F
F
Yeah
I'm,
struggling
I
was
four
I
love.
The
idea
of
like
sharing
and
doing
the
toe
band
and
I
love
that
and
I
think
more
businesses
should
do
that.
Definitely
along
that
that
Corridor,
but
for
what
the
investment
was
and
I
know,
that's
millions
of
dollars
on
Ingersoll
I'm
I'm
going
to
vote
to
to
not
allow
it
to
go
in.
L
I
agree
with
Todd
and
I
will
vote
in
favor
of
his
motion,
I
think,
primarily
because
this
is
such
a
small
piece
of
land
with
absolutely
no
access
with
crumbling
walls
as
it
is.
It
is
a
complete
weed,
infested
area,
eyesore
I
can't
imagine
anyone
else
coming
in
and
doing
anything
productive
with
this
piece
of
property
at
this
point
or
for
the
foreseeable
future,
and
for
that
reason,
I
think
that
it
will
also
alleviate
the
pressure
in
that
parking
lot.
I've
been
in
that
parking
lot.
It
is
a
tight
squeeze.
L
I,
think
that's
why
people
come
shooting
out
of
there.
I
think
it
will
relieve
the
pressure
on
there
in
that
drive-through
area.
I
love
the
idea
of
shared
parking
I,
just
don't
think
it's
realistic.
Noah's
has
got
a
lot
going
on
over
there
right
now,
with
their
business
and
I.
Just
don't
think.
That's
realistic,
I
think
people
get
very
protective
of
their
parking
right
now.
It's
all
over
the
news
about
how
there's
no
parking
young,
Ingersoll
and
I
just
think
right
now
this
is
the
most
realistic
usage
for
this
property.
A
J
Now,
when
Nick
was
giving
a
presentation,
he
talked
about
limited,
single
or
double
row
parking
on
the
site
and
I'd
like
more
information
about
that.
Quite
frankly,
it
seemed
as
if,
when
we
were
hearing
staff
staff
was
suggesting
some
kind
of
a
compromise
and
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
you
need
to
unpack
your
thoughts.
Please.
H
H
They
can
have
it
in
a
rear
yard,
so
that's
behind
the
building
or
they
can
have
it
in,
what's
called
a
limited
side
yard,
and
so
that's
parking
in
a
side
yard,
that's
behind
the
front
facade
and
it
would
just
be
one
row
of
either
a
single
Axis
or
a
double
access.
If
you
can
follow
my
cursor
on
the
side
now.
The
reason
that
this
needs
relief
is
because
there's
some
parking
here
and
and
dry
vials
that
sit
in
front
of
the
front
side
of
the
building.
So
here's
the
front
side
of
the
building.
H
We
got
some
Drive
aisles
and
parking
that
sits
in
front
of
it
and
then
also
there's
three
rows
of
parking.
So
it's
not
a
single
road.
We
got
a
double
row
here,
so
we
got
a
a
row
of
parking
here.
We
got
one
here
we
got
one
here
and
so
that
disqualifies
it
from
being
called
quote,
unquote
limited
side
which
they
are
allowed
to
do
by
right.
So
that's
why
they
need
to
seek
relief.
Just.
F
H
E
B
R
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
Andy.
You
know
the
streetscape's
incredibly
successful
and
the
the
redo
of
the
parking
Lanes
along
Ingersoll
right
now
at
this
point
in
time
is
a
terrible
time
to
be
analyzing.
This
28th
streets
closed
on
both
sides
of
Ingersoll.
You
can't
get
two
or
from
it
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
drive
lane
next
to
Taco
John
that
connects
Grand
to
Ingersoll
is
technically
a
public
Street
people
use
it
all
the
time.
I
do
right
now,
because
I
can't
go
down
28th.
R
So
there
are
a
couple
things
that
concern
me
about
this
and
the
use
of
this
parking
lot,
because
you
know
I
do
go
to
Zanzibar
I
unless
I
can't
park
in
front
of
it,
then
I
defer
I
go
down
here
and
when
I'm
in
this
parking
lot,
it
seems
like
the
East
entrance
to
this
parking
space
or
this
area.
Yes
right,
there
is
going
to
become
worse
because
of
this
I'm,
never
sure
if
people
should
be
coming
into
the
parking
lot
through
that
entrance
or
if
it's
out
only
it's
super
narrow.
R
R
There
are
a
lot
of
bikes,
I,
think
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
more
thoroughly
with
signage
or
something
to
direct
people
into
the
lot
on
the
west
side
and
make
this
out
only
on
this
side,
so
that
that's
just
one
observation,
I
I
do
think
that
for
the
time
being
within
our
lifetimes,
this
is
a
parking.
Lot
is
better
than
this
is
a
landfill
which
it
basically
is
now
you,
you
watch
the
some
of
the
photos
they
showed.
R
You
see,
the
water
runs
off
across
the
new
streetscape,
the
new
sidewalk,
the
bike
Lanes,
it's
all
washing
down
across
all
of
that
out
of
this
site.
It's
basically
if
I,
remember
right.
This
is
mostly
Phil.
So
at
some
point
it's
just
going
to
you
know
give
in
it's
it's
a
nuisance
as
it
is.
A
parking
lot
is
much
better
than
it
being
fill
for
the
next
20
years.
I
mean
these
people
have
bought
it.
R
S
Johnny,
thank
you
for
sharing
I
thought.
Maybe
we
could
meet
a
goal
that
the
applicant
had
requested,
which
was
a
building
a
sense
of
community
and
why
not
create
a
little
pocket
park
in
that
space
and
allow,
for
you
know,
for
people
to
sit,
have
a
little.
You
know
have
picnic
tables
and
things
like
that
and
shade
that
they
could
create
that
sense
of
community.
So
that's
why
I'm
not
going
to
support
Andy's
motion.
A
Thank
you.
We've
had
a
lot
of
good
points
tonight,
a
lot
of
good
discussion.
We
do
have
a
motion
on
the
floor,
but
I
will
not
let
the
vote
until
I
share
my
two
comments.
Thank
you
all
for
sharing
your
comments.
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
it.
I
think
that
this
is
definitely
a
tough
and
challenging
small
site
to
to
put
into
productive
use.
That
said,
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
motion
because
of
the
aforementioned
media,
lack
of
parking,
etc,
etc,
because
I
believe
that
is
a
false
narrative.
A
B
J
T
Good
evening,
chairman
members
of
the
commissioner
Kyle
Larson
planning
staff,
as
Johnny
mentioned,
this
item
is
23
34
East,
41st
Street.
This
actually
came
to
us
through
a
zoning
enforcement
action
work
without
approval
run
through
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
here,
they're
looking
for
two
items
of
relief,
the
first
is
front
yard,
impervious
area
and
the
second
is
overall
impervious
area.
T
T
T
The
next
series
of
photos
are
photos
that
were
taken
by
zoning
enforcement
staff
when
the
stop
work
order
was
issued,
I
apologize,
here's
the
site
sketch
from
the
applicant
I've
highlighted
the
areas
of
pavement
that
they
are
looking
to
add
you'll,
see
that
front
yard,
driveway
flare
in
the
front
yard,
and
then
you
also
see
a
larger
parking
area
in
the
rear
yard.
Now
I'll
run
through
those
photos
from
zoning
enforcement.
T
T
T
T
T
T
This
is
the
letter
of
rationale
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
a
couple
items
just
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
word
for
word,
but
just
kind
of
the
four
items
that
were
identified.
I
mentioned
that
the
existing
10-foot
driveway
through
the
front
yard
and
next
to
the
house,
was
in
disrepair.
So
that
was
the
first
item
that
they
were
looking
to
just
repair
and
replace
that
existing
driveway
item.
T
Item
three
is
addressing
the
rear
yard,
Paving
Edition,
mainly
speaking
to
an
area
of
play
for
the
children
that
live
there
and
then.
Lastly,
item
four:
the
applicant
has
also
has
some
health
conditions
and
some
allergies
to
the
grass.
That's
there,
which
limits
her
ability
to
be
outdoors
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
T
There's
also
some
concerns
with
that
that
Paving
and
for
the
forming
that's
right
up
to
those
fences,
how
that
is
going
to
impact
those
fences,
long
term
and
then
getting
to
the
specific
staff
recommendation
here.
Part
a
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
that
front
yard.
Paving
that
front
yard
Paving
consists
of
about
30,
36
percent
of
the
front
yard
area.
Looking
at
the
street,
there
were
a
few
other
houses
that
had
some
additional
front
air
Paving,
similar
to
what
is
being
proposed
here
by
the
applicant.
L
F
T
U
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
2334
East
44th
Street
in
Des
Moines.
Now
my
concern
is
the
paving
on
the
backyard,
the
real
one.
The
reason
why
I'm
going
to
concrete
that,
because
of
my
children's
safety
of
my
children,
my
children,
my
children
have
an
otcm,
so
it's
just
a
safety
to
play
it.
You
know
my
own
property
because
they
cannot
walk
on
the
sidewalk
and
everything
like
that
and
I
did
also
submit
the
from
the
doctors.
U
You
know
that
proof
everything's
proof
all
the
health
conditions
and
all
the
stuff
from
my
children,
from
my
husband
and
from
myself
yet,
but
I
did
submit
so
I
am
requesting
for
the
remaining
or
rare
Paving
expansion
on
all
the
way
at
the
back,
because
it's
easier
before
it's
it's
easier
for
us
to
park
at
the
driveway
at
the
back
at
the
back
and
then
one
of
one.
At
a
time
my
kids
I
can
tell
them
one
of
the
time
instead
of
going
parking
on
the
front
of
the
driveway
or
on
the
street.
U
Yes,
that's
what
I'm
requesting
and
then
I
was
just
want
to
share
that.
There's
lots
of
going
on
things
happen
after
we
stop
the
work.
Of
course
my
kids
cannot
go
outside
and
then
my
neighbor
also
knock
on
my
door
because
they
cannot
park
on
the
street
because
I
was
parking.
My
car
there.
So
if
she
was
threatening
and
everything
like
that,
but
I
did
get
a
report
also
I
called
the
police
for
that
and
then
June
19
June
that
was
June
16
and
then
June
19.
U
My
car
was
parking
on
the
street
and
someone
opened
it.
Someone
stole
and
we
did
have
the
police
report
either
and
my
neighbors
talked
to
me.
They
also
received
the
letter
from
the
city
and
they
some
of
them.
They
called.
They
went
to
my
house
that
they
went
receive
a
letter
and
stuff
like
that.
Supposedly
they're
gonna
come
in
here,
but
we
just
had
a
fire
on
my
neighbor
last
July
5th
at
12
30.
Yesterday
12
30
a.m.
So
there
was.
U
They
said
that
they
also
left
a
message
with
Mr
Kyle
on
your
voicemail
that
they
said
that
I'm,
okay
with
you
know
with
them.
That's
that's
for
them,
I'm.
Just
only
saying
what
they
told
me.
Oh
I
received
the
letter
and
then
we
left
the
message
with
him:
I'm,
okay,
whatever
you
know
it's,
we
know
your
kids,
we
we
know
your
kids
and
we
know
your
husband
everything
like
that.
U
So
yes,
yes,
that's
what
I
am
requesting
or
a
special
permission
for
the
expansion,
Army
rear,
rear
P
being
on
my
backyard
and
also
for
my
driveway.
It
there's
already
a
driveway
when
we
moved
there
a
year
ago,
there's
already
a
driveway,
but
the
driver,
the
concrete
it's
like
uneven,
so
we
have
to
make
sure
I
mean
straighten
up
right.
You
know
up
straight
or
something
like
that.
As
I
said
for
the
safety
of
my
kids
and
plus
my
husband.
J
U
A
he
is
also
using
a
special
device
yeah,
but
everything
just
in
case,
if
you
will
allow
me
or
approve
it
I,
will
make
sure
that
I
will
appropriately
and
I
already
told
to
my
neighbor.
Whatever
left,
you
know,
everything
will
be
done
and
fixed.
You
know
whatever.
If
you
know,
if
it's,
if
given
a
chance
to
to
approve
my
proposal.
B
In
general,
gravel
Is,
Not
An
approved
like
surface,
we
could
do
like.
If
you
look
in
135,
you
know,
would
you
know
generally,
it
has
to
be
affiliated
with
some
land
and
even
in
landscape
areas.
We
typically
are
not
using
gravel,
because
it
does
things
don't
grow
well
in
it.
If
the
commission
wanted
to
Grant
a
design
alternative
to
allow
it
to
be
graveled,
you
could
do
that
as
an
alternative,
but
it's
not
not
something
that
could
just
be
done.
E
F
B
M
B
J
B
Bunch
of
water
and
and
then
you
know
how,
over
time
the
property
gets
sold,
the
new
owner
doesn't
know
doesn't
know
anything
about
it
and
they
just
mow
it,
and
you
know
then
it's
gone
and
but
the
pavement
will
be
there,
so
I
I
guess
I
would
offer
caution.
I,
don't
know
that
there's
a
real
way
to
realistically
in
a
residential
setting,
it's
not
a
commercial
site
plan
where
we
could
have.
You
know:
stormwater
water
basin,
that
has
to
be
maintained
for
the
site
plan
or
some
sort
of
other
improvements.
B
B
R
A
A
The
last
item
on
today's
agenda
item
number
12
is
a
request
from
Craig
and
Bethany
kriel
for
a
review
of
public
hearing
site
plan
and
for
type
2
design
Alternatives
in
accordance
with
city
code,
to
allow
a
two-story
addition
to
an
existing
Road
building
in
an
RX1
mixed-use
district
for
property
located
at
1821
High
Street
I'll.
Let
Kyle
take
over
the
presentation.
T
T
The
Proposal
runs
through
those
plans
here
in
a
little
bit.
These
are
site
photos
that
I
took
yesterday.
The
proposal
would
essentially
demolish
the
the
house
on
the
left.
The
Lots
would
be
combined
and
then
the
addition
would
go
essentially
where
the
where
the
old
home
sits.
It
would
be
a
two-story
addition,
so
it
would
be
a
story
less
than
what
is
there.
T
T
A
T
T
T
T
The
lower
right
is
the
front
elevation
that
you'd
see
from
from
High
Street
the
line
drawing
of
the
existing
row
house
and
then
the
color,
drawing
of
the
proposed
Edition
I,
do
want
to
point
out
that
there
is
an
existing
garage
stall
on
the
road
on
the
existing
portion
of
the
road
home.
This
overhead
door,
to
my
understanding,
would
open
up
into
living
space
and
kind
of
open
out
open
out
into
that
patio
and
turf
area.
T
Digging
into
staff
recommendation,
there
are
three
to
three
items
of
relief
that
the
applicant
is
seeking.
The
first
one
is
to
allow
minimum
lot
area
less
than
the
required
7
200
square
feet
for
the
zoning
District.
The
second
is
to
allow
for
two
driveways,
where
only
one
driveway
is
allowed,
and
the
third
is
to
waive
the
public
sidewalk
requirement
along
19th
Street.
There
is
existing
sidewalk
along
High
Street,
but,
as
you
saw
in
those
existing
site
photos,
there
is
no
sidewalk
along
19th
Street.
T
The
applicant
is
requesting
waiver
of
that
and
citing
some
kind
of
sight
grade
issues
I'll.
Let
them
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
specifically,
our
staff
recommendation
is
to
recommend
approval
of
the
lot
area
also
recommend
approval
of
the
second
driveway,
but
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
waiver
of
the
public
sidewalk,
citing
move
DSM
and
the
city
city
Engineers
desire
to
have
public
sidewalk
installed
here.
This
is
one
of
the
few
segments
within
the
Sherman
Hill
Neighborhood
that
doesn't
have
sidewalk
so
without
sidewalk
being
installed
as
part
of
this
project.
T
J
B
J
T
B
F
B
T
T
So
that
sidewalk
extends
along
the
west
side
of
high
on
up
to
Woodland,
so
there
would
be
a
gap
from
the
north
I
guess.
The
termination
of
the
north
property
line
to
the
north
along
this
611
19th
Street
the
right-of-way
jogs
to
the
to
the
right
a
little
bit
here.
There's
also
no
sidewalk
I,
don't
believe
on
the
east
side
of
19th
Street,
just
north
of
the
side.
There.
T
L
B
E
O
O
T
B
B
A
V
V
They
love
the
house,
they
love
the
neighborhood
and
as
they've
grown
they're
at
a
point
where
they
need
more
space
and
in
order
to
stay
in
the
neighborhood
in
this
small
site
and
the
existing
home
couldn't
accommodate
everything
they
would
like.
So
we
began
our
initial
discussions
learned
about
the
planned
esm.
Mixed-Use
designation,
the
site
was
zoned
rx-1,
which
technically
doesn't
allow
single-family
houses
based
on
the
form-based
code,
so
we
scheduled
a
pre-app
with
staff
with
City
and
and
December,
and
we
started
working
on
the
site
and
Zoning
constraints.
V
V
The
the
main
level
on
the
south
side
of
the
garage
features
some
living
space,
which
is
accessed
from
the
main
residence
in
the
front
door.
The
upper
level
of
the
house
has
two
bedrooms
and
a
steady
Nook,
that's
also
accessible
from
the
main
residence,
so
we're
here
today
asking
for
three
type.
Two
design
Alternatives,
which
Kyle
explained
I,
think
the
lot
area
requirement
is
pretty
understandable.
Just
due
to
the
physical
constraints
of
the
site,
the
two
driveways
I
think
we're
we're
appreciative
of
the
support
of
that.
V
There
is
already
a
curb
cut
on
on
19th
Street,
which
looks
like
an
alley,
but
it's
just
a
driveway,
and
so
our
proposal
slides
that
down
a
little
bit
South
to
align
with
the
new
garage
and
and
basically
the
programmatic
requirement
of
the
of
the
rentable
unit,
would
need
that
garage
to
make
it.
You
know
feasible
later
down
the
road
if
they
were
to
rent
that
out
as
a
as
a
flat.
V
So
we've
been
discussing
the
sidewalk
since
our
initial
meetings
back
in
December,
January
and
again
in
March,
and
it's
really
been
ours
and
the
homeowner's
desire
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
a
sidewalk
work
here.
We've
tried
a
lot
of
different
options
and
unfortunately
do
the
the
existing
Street
in
the
building.
V
It's
really
not
practical
and
we
have
the
following
reasons:
19th
Street,
as
you
saw
in
some
of
those
other
images,
slopes
downhill
to
the
south
at
about
10
percent
to
11,
which
is
a
pretty
steep
hill,
and
it's
actually
steeper
than
an
allowable
ramp
slope
and
the
geometry
of
a
sidewalk
is
permitted.
If
we
were
to
put
it
on.
The
curb
has
to
be
at
a
two
percent
slope,
which
is
just
basically
one
one
inch
of
fall
across
the
sidewalk,
so
it
needs
to
be
pretty
flat.
V
V
We
placed
at
a
point
where
the
north
side
of
the
driveway
is
up
a
little
bit
from
the
road,
so
we
don't
get
water
running
back
into
the
house,
but
that
really
that
causes
the
the
bottom
of
the
the
south
side
of
the
driveway
to
warp
because
of
the
Hill
it's
on.
So
as
it's
designed
right
now,
the
north
side
of
the
driveway
is
four
four
and
a
half
percent.
The
South
Side
driveway
is
about
20
to
21
percent,
which
is
kind
of
a
warped
plane
right.
V
So
if
we
were
to
put
the
sidewalk
in
which
we've
looked
at
it
pushes
that
it
pushes
that
slope
narrower
so
by
four
feet,
and
that
has
to
stay
pretty
much
level.
So
basically,
what
we
have
at
the
top
of
the
slope
is
around
the
same,
and
the
bottom
side
gets
to
be
about
30
32
percent,
which
really
going
over
20
percent,
becomes
kind
of
unusable
for
a
driveway
and
also
potentially
dangerous
pulling
in
and
out
of
with
vehicles.
Maneuvering
it
we've
looked
at
ways
to
lower
the
garage
floor.
V
Like
I
said
we
stepped
the
building
multiple
times
we
step
the
basement
under
the
garage
down.
So
that's
really
not
an
option.
We
did
look
at
even
with
the
staff.
What
if
we
put
the
sidewalk
four
feet
into
the
street
since
that's
a
one-way
Street,
and
it's
already
got
plenty
of
width
there.
We
looked
at
that
option.
It
was
kind
of
discouraged
just
because
of
all
the
Logistics
of
getting
that
accomplished.
V
So
it
turns
a
corner
and
Well
turns
a
slight
corner
and
the
sidewalk
alignment
jumps
way
over.
So,
as
you
can
probably
see,
maybe
here
the
sidewalk
going
north
kind
of
Dives
right
into
the
front
of
of
611
19th
Street,
so
the
basically
any
pedestrian
coming
south
would
have
to
cross
Woodland
and
they
could
just
as
easily
cross
19th
Street
and
then
continue
South.
V
Otherwise
they
have
to
cross
two
streets.
Basically,
611
doesn't
have
a
sidewalk,
which
we
mentioned.
The
house
right
now
is
only
nine
feet
from
the
curb,
so
any
development
of
that
site
is
going
to
be
really
really
hard-pressed
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
as
well
and
then
also
there's
no
sidewalk
to
the
South
across
High
Street
through
the
Boot
Barn
parking
lot
and
then
Tri-City
lot.
That's
the
sidewalk
extends
partially
North,
but
not
not
all
the
way
to
the
to
the
north
end.
V
V
I
think
what
we'd
have
to
do
is
that
we'd
have
to
compromise
the
garage
it
would
probably
have
to
either
ship
to
the
North
or
the.
It
would
be
a
one,
a
single
car
driveway,
a
narrower
driveway.
It's
still
going
to
be
it's
still
going
to
be
really
Steep
and
that
even
that
20
slope
is
going
to
be
a
potential.
You
know,
hang
up,
I
mean
I,
think
it
it's
possible.
Something
will
happen,
but
it
just
is.
It's
definitely
potentially
hazardous,
I.
Suppose.
V
W
W
You
know
ramps
on
the
opposite
side
Sidewalk,
so
it
is
hard
to
get
up
there
for
a
five-year-old
on
a
bike,
because
there
is
a
park
and
across
MLK
kind
of
next
to
Gateway
Market
that
we
frequent
so
we'd
love
to
develop
sidewalk.
We
just
want
to
make
it
work.
So
if
there
is
a
broader
plan
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
on
the
street,
we'd
be
very
open
to
engaging
in
that
and
developing
alongside
that.
There
is
a
plan
to
put
one
in.
We
just
don't
see
a
way
to
do
it
right
now.
J
I
I
I
It
gets
really
weird
once
you're
south
of
Woodland,
because
you're
right
next
to
these
houses
and
then
it
dies
the
the
sidewalk
Dives
and
you
have
to
jog
over
and
go
across
the
street
anyway,
and
there's
a
there's
this
other
neighbor
611
between
between
the
alley
and
this
property.
So
so
it's
kind
of
just
a
it's,
an
anomalous
Condition,
it's
on
the
edge
of
the
neighborhood.
I
So
that's
something
that
I
have
got
in
mind
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
interesting
about
this
is
that
they
were
able
to
develop
this
very
narrow
contemporary
house.
That
I
agree
with
Will
is
really
a
pretty
pretty
great
piece
of
residential
architecture,
especially
in
Des
Moines,
especially
near
Sherman
Hill.
It's
it's
a
a
great
example
of
how
you
can
do
contemporary
architecture.
That
does
not
offend,
particularly
in
the
context
of
a
historic
neighborhood
and
it's
a
great
creative
use.
I
And
so
it
seems
like
what
we
are
kind
of
confronted
with,
and
what
they're
asking
us
for
is
to
try
to
sort
through
the
intersection
of
all
those
conditions
and
what
they've?
What
they've
indicated
is
that
you
kind
of
can't
have
everything
you
can't
have
a
a
viable
sidewalk
and
create
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
that
faces
that
enters
off
of
19th.
I
You
sort
of
can't
do
all
that,
and
when
you
look
at
this
picture,
you
see
how
steep
that's
going
to
be,
even
if
they
put
the
sidewalk
in
and
so
I
I
have
a
lot
of
I
have
a
I'm
I.
Have
a
lot
of
sympathy
and
I
appreciate
what
they're
doing
I
wonder
if
there's
any
type
of
Middle
Ground
that
we
could
that
we
could
find
where
if
the
611
is
redeveloped
and
if
it
triggers
a
new
sidewalk,
maybe
maybe
then
this
also
is
triggered.
Is
that
something
that's
possible.
B
J
B
Yeah
I
think
usually
the
applicant
does
I
mean
they
had
had
the
money
up
front
and
usually
they
don't
want
to
do
that.
But
that
could
be
something
where
the
commission
has
them
do
that
and
then
let's
go
agreements
expire
after
a
point
in
time
and
then
the
new
Monies
getting
back
to
them.
Basically,
if
nothing
happens,
should
be
kind
of
a
temporary
you'd,
be
issuing
a
you
know:
I
could
temporary
design
alternative
and
what
you
know
subject
to
an
escrow
agreement.
B
I
think
we
would
just
have
them
pay.
We
would
come
up
with
you
know
a
a
fee
based
off
of
lineal
footage
average.
It
costs
from
our
engineering
department
like
what
it
what's
the
typical
lineal
foot
cost
beside.
You
know
and
then
have
them
put
that
in
that's
what
we've
done
in
the
past
when
we
have
done
escrow
agreements,
so
that
would
be
what
you
would
do
so.
B
B
D
I
Well,
they're,
the
the
if
I
understand
that
the
the
driveway
sets
the
upper
level
of
the
grade
right.
The
South
edge
of
the
driveway
sets
your
kind
of
high
point
of
that
stretch
of
sidewalk
and
it
sounds
like
they're
saying
not
that
it's
infeasible
to
build
it
or
impossible.
Just
that
it's
undesirable
because
of
grade.
Is
that
right
is
that
fair,
yeah.
T
T
B
I'm
sorry
I
was
I
was
doing
a
little
research.
We
actually
the
the
defer.
The
going
into
deferral
with
the
escrow
is
something
that
we
can
do.
That
was
what
we
changed
in
the
code
to
allow
us
or
let
the
applicant.
You
know,
that's
not
what
they
pursued,
and
you
asked
a
question
about.
Can
you
have
steps
in
the
walk?
Is
that
I?
B
Don't
I,
don't
think
it's
typical
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
as
far
as
like
the
direct
grade,
it
is
whatever
the
grade
is
where
they
get
concerned,
is
the
cross
slope?
That's
where
they
really
control
like
the
crew,
so
I
mean
a
hill.
Is
a
hill
you're,
not
gonna
you're
just
gonna
have
a
steeper
walk.
We
have
those
all
over
the
the
notion
of
doing
an
escrow
agreement.
L
I
guess
I
didn't
understand
the
benefits
of
the
escrow.
If,
if
the
problems
are
still
going
to
be
there
in
15
or
20
years,
I
don't
understand
I
guess
we're
just
saying
we
just
aren't
going
to
make
them
pay
for
it
now
or
I.
Guess
we
are
they're
making
put
the
money
in,
but
how
does
that
benefit
them?.
I
I
think
it
benefits
them,
because,
if
I
understand
them,
they're
saying
not
that
they
don't
want
to
do
the
sidewalk
for
any
other
reason
other
than
they
think
it's
infeasible
and
not
a
good
sidewalk
like
they're
kind
of
making
a
an
argument
against
it,
based
on
its
usefulness
and
so
I.
My
logic
is
that
if
the
property
to
the
north
should
be
redeveloped
that
Where
the
Sidewalk
has
to
terminate
anyway
coming
from
Woodland
down.
I
D
B
Sidewalk,
that
was
the
original
intent
or
concept.
Is
that
that
s,
that
money
would
be
there?
Let's
say
we
have
a
whole
block
and
the
city
is
going
to
do
a
project
and
we've
had
a
couple
owners
in
that
block,
pay
and
escrow.
We
would
take
that
escrow.
Add
it
to
the
city
project
and
do
the
whole
block.
This
is
a
little
different
in
the
sense.
B
V
Well
appreciate
the
discussion
have
been
in
part
of
developments
with
the
escrow
situation
before
and
I
get
the
I
get
the
sidewalk
to
Nowhere
argument
this
one's
a
little
bit
different,
because
I
think
the
it's
a
feasibility
issue
and
like
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
who
said
it,
but
we
still
have
to
figure
out
the
elevations
like
if
it
were
to
get
imposed
on
us
10
years
from
now,
then
we
have
to
regrade
everything
change
the
driveway
at
that
time.
I
think
it
would
be.
V
V
V
V
F
B
R
I
would
encourage
the
city
and
everybody
to
look
at
this
a
little
closer
because
there's
already
a
safe
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
and
if
we're
putting
a
sidewalk
in
that's,
creating
a
more
hazardous
condition
than
that
sidewalk
I
mean
the
sidewalk
issues
are
crazy.
How
many
hours
have
we
spent
here
talking
about
sidewalks
now
we're
talking
about
one?
That's
like
80
feet,
long
and
there's
already
one
right:
there,
that's
safe!