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From YouTube: 06-01-23 Plan & Zoning Commission
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Des Moines Plan & Zoning Commission meeting on Thursday, June 1, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/PZatHome
A
B
Welcome
to
the
June
1st
2023
meeting
of
the
city
of
Des
Moines
plan
and
Zoning
Commission
I
will
now
read
the
rules
and
procedures
for
tonight's
meeting.
The
plan
and
Zoning
commission
is
generally
an
advisory
body
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
the
final
decision
on
all
matters
before
the
commission
other
than
site
plans
and
subdivision
plots
unless
denials
or
conditional
approvals
thereof
are
appealed.
Please
contact
the
city,
clerk
or
development
services.
B
B
Items
listed
on
the
consent
portion
of
the
agenda
will
not
be
individually
discussed
and
will
be
considered
for
approval,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendation
in
the
staff
report.
Unless
an
individual
present
or
a
member
of
the
commission
requests
that
the
item
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
and
considered
separately
under
the
public
hearing
agenda
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting,
of
which
I'm
blanking
on
the
date
to
be
remembered.
D
B
Seeing
none?
Is
there
anyone
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight,
seeing
none
that
will
remain
on
consent.
Item
number:
two:
a
request
from
Travis
Aslan
for
review
of
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
2422
Forest
Drive,
to
allow
for
a
30
foot
by
36
foot,
two-story
Edition
in
an
n1b
neighborhood
with
a
five
foot,
rear
of
yard
setback
and
six
foot
interior
side
yard
setback.
E
B
So
seeing
no
one
on
the
commission
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
that
will
remain
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
can
possibly
move
item
three
to
consent,
requests
from
Lance
shape,
Shaker
Shaker
and
young
ping
Lee
for
a
review
of
a
public
hearing
site
plan
and
for
a
type
2
design
alternative
for
property
located
at
637
39th
Street
to
allow
for
a
driveway
expansion
that
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
front
yard
in
impervious
area.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
hear
this
item
tonight?
B
B
B
Thank
you,
and
now,
if
I
can
get
a
motion
to
to
move
the
move,
the
consent
agenda
items
one
two
and
three
I
would
like
to
move
the
consent
agenda.
Thank
you.
All.
Those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand.
B
All
right,
then,
moving
on
to
the
public
hearing
item
number
four!
Oh,
if
you
were
here
for
items,
one
number
one
through
three
you're
welcome
to
leave
now,
if
you'd
like.
Thank
you
all
right
item
number
four:
a
request
from
Des
Moines
industrial
land,
LLC
represented
by
Gabe
Claypool
for
review
and
approval
of
a
public
hearing,
site
plan,
Amendment
dsmi
transload
facility
for
property
located
at
357,
Southeast,
15th
Street
and
for
the
following
type
2
design,
Alternatives
a
through
D
and
Jillian,
will
be
here
from
staff
to
present.
Thank
you.
C
Good
evening
Madam
chair
members
of
commission
I'm
Jillian
summer
with
planning
staff,
we
have
item
number
four,
is
requesting
four
different
type:
two
design
Alternatives
regarding
357
Southeast,
15th,
Street,
a
very
close
property
to
us,
physically
right
now
across
the
street,
to
the
north
and
I'm
gonna,
walk
through
the
items
actually
in
the
reverse
order
of
how
they're
listed
on
the
agenda
so
I'll
start
with
item
or
part
D.
C
This
site
plan
was
previously
approved
in
June
of
2020
and
and
approved
for
various
type
2
design
Alternatives.
One
of
those
was
in
regards
to
loading
doors
and
loading
on
the
front
facade
and
in
the
front
yard.
C
At
that
time,
the
site
plan
was
approved
with
a
landscaping
plan.
Much
of
the
Landscaping
proposed
was
in
the
detention
Basin
and
after
reevaluating
the
site,
the
developers
come
back
with
an
amended
Landscaping
plan,
it's
substantially
different
than
what
was
previously
approved,
so
that
a
necessitated
some
further
review
by
the
commission.
So
it's
the
same
type
too,
as
was
previously
approved
with
loading
in
the
front
and
overhead
doors
on
the
front
facade.
The
Landscaping
is
different,
though
let
me
get
there.
C
Instead
of
having
plantings
in
the
Basin,
they
have
proposed
a
layered
approach.
There
would
be
Street
trees
within
the
right-of-way
right
along
the
street.
C
The
second
layer
would
be
a
dense
row
of
ornamental
grasses
switch
grasses
tall
bands
of
grasses
consistent
with
what
you
see
along
the
rest
of
MLK
kind
of
in
the
area,
and
then
the
third
layer
would
be
evergreen,
trees,
kind
of
spaced
and
overlapping
the
the
grasses
to
kind
of
fill
in
those
gaps
where,
where
you
can
kind
of
block
views
to
the
the
overhead
doors
staff
believes,
this
is
consistent
with
the
intent
and
spirit
of
the
previous
landscape
plan.
C
Although
different,
the
the
challenges
that
the
applicant
has
identified
include
the
the
plantings
and
the
detention
Basin
itself,
just
the
wet
conditions
and
the
Steep
side
slopes,
so
they've
really
tried
to
focus
the
plantings
towards
the
top
of
the
slopes
and
in
the
right-of-way,
where
they
do
have
space.
One
of
the
other
limitations
is
that
there's
there's
quite
a
thoroughfare
of
utilities
coming
through
here.
C
So
we
we
do
believe
this.
This
is
providing
the
screening
that
we
were
originally
intending
to
block
the
views
of
those
docs
and
the
and
the
loading
in
the
front
yard.
So
staff
is
supportive
of
this
type.
2
request.
C
Part
C
is
a
request
to
allow
an
outdoor
storage
area
that
is
partially
located
in
the
front
yard,
and
you
can
see
a
little
bit
on
this
sheet.
I'll
flip
to
the
next
sheet
too,
but
this
gray
box
is
the
building,
and
this
hatched
area
over
to
the
east
is
a
proposed
temporary
storage
yard.
When
the
Cyclone
originally
came
through
this
area
was
shown
just
as
grass.
The
intent
has
always
been
that
you
know.
Hopefully,
this
building
will
be
expanded
in
the
future
or
the
very
near
future.
C
So
it
was
it's
shown
as
grass
with
a
proposed
future
Edition.
Now
that
the
building
is
occupied
and
that
they
have
tenants
and
users,
there
is
a
need
for
some
interim
outdoor
storage,
while
before
they're
able
to
actually
expand
the
building
itself,
so
they
have
Rock
crushed
rock
laid
down,
as
well
as
a
perimeter
chain
link
fence
with
slats
around
this
outdoor
storage
area.
The
crushed
rock
would
be
used
at
this
as
the
sub
base
for
the
future.
C
Building
expansion
and
staff
is
supportive
of
this
temporary
outdoor
storage
area
as
an
interim
condition,
while
just
to
allow
continuation
of
the
use
until
the
time
that
the
building
Edition
would
be
built
with
the
condition
that
the
the
screen
fence
is
maintained
as
best
as
possible.
For,
while
that
outdoor
storage
area
exists
and
consistent
with
what
we
have
approved
recently
for
other
properties
in
the
area,
we
do
want
to
put
a
Sunset
date
on
this.
C
We
think
five
years
is
a
reasonable
time
to
expect
that
the
building
Edition
could
be
built
in
if
the
building
Edition
weren't
built
within
that
time.
We
would
expect
this
to
be
established
as
a
permanent
outdoor
storage
area
by
the
end
of
that
July
or
sorry
June.
1St
date
within
five
years,
so
staff
is
supportive
of
that
type.
2
design,
alternative
request
as
well.
The
last
two
items
are
related
to
sidewalk.
C
C
Southeast
18th
on
the
East
ends
of
the
property.
That
sidewalk
was
waived
for
that
section
previously
in
in
2020.
At
that
time,
though,
the
sidewalk
was
still
required
from
Southeast
15th
to
the
West.
The
applicant
is
now
requesting
to
wave
that
sidewalk
from
Southeast
15th
to
Southeast
12th
in
the
right-of-way.
C
In
addition,
the
site
plan
previously
showed
a
sidewalk
connection
that
would
connect
that
public
sidewalk
to
the
main
building
entrance
they're,
requesting
also
to
waive
that
pedestrian
connection
to
the
building
traffic
engineering
and
planning
have
all
reviewed
the
sidewalk
waiver
request,
and
we
are
not
supportive
of
that
in
this
area.
C
Mlk
is
fully
built
out
from
Southeast
15th
to
the
west,
and
so
we
do
think
that
the
sidewalk
along
that
area
would
provide
a
connection
to
the
developing
Market
District
area
and
similarly,
there
is
a
pad
site
proposed
for
a
future
building
on
the
east
side
of
the
driveway.
Access
at
Southeast
15th,
so
The
Pedestrian
connection
would
serve
both
the
existing
building
as
well
as
that
future
building.
G
The
outdoor
storage
is
already
built,
correct,
that's
correct,
okay,
and
so
was
that
a
surprise,
or
was
that?
G
C
Yeah
exactly
I
think
as
the
construction
happened,
it
was,
you
know,
partially
just
par
under
construction
at
a
certain
point
and
then
after
you
know,
the
building
was
done.
They
decided
that
as
the
tenant
has
moved
in
that
they
really
just
needed
to
maintain
that
as
an
outdoor
storage
area
for
the
tenant,
that
was
there.
So
it
was
not
originally
shown.
We
did
not
know
that
it
would.
It
would
be
like
that,
but
it
is
there
now.
G
C
Yeah
we
will
have
to
set
up
some
sort
of
follow-up
inspection
in
five
years
to
verify.
You
know
what
are
their
intents
at
that
time,
I
mean.
Hopefully
the
building
Edition
has
moved
forward
by
then,
and
we
don't
even
need
to
worry
about
it.
But
if,
in
the
case
that
it
weren't,
we
will
have
to
set
up
a
follow-up
inspection
to
check.
G
C
And
then
there's
quite
a
large
right-of-way,
because
MLK
would
is
expected
to
be
expanded
in
the
future.
So
that's
why
the
street
trees
are
set
back
so
far,
so
you
know
they
wouldn't
be
in
the
place
of
where
the
future
Road
would
go.
But,
yes,
they
would
be
on
the
south
side
of
the
basin.
A
H
What
is
what
is
this
facility
used
for?
Oh.
C
Good
good
question:
it's
a
transload
facility,
so
this
gray
area
to
the
north
is
a
rail
facility.
The
building
itself
is
Warehouse
multimodal,
so
there's
dock
doors
for
truck
traffic,
but
the
rail
brings
materials
in
and
out
and
and
I
guess,
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
explain:
they've
got
quite
a
few
different
users,
tenants
at
the
site.
H
Other
question
I
had
was
in
the
in
the
report.
It
says
that
the
sidewalk
Gap
is
a
priority
three
Gap.
What
does
that
mean.
C
Yeah,
the
sidewalks
throughout
town
have
all
been
designated
either
priority.
One
two
or
three
Priority
One
means
it's
our
highest
priority.
Usually
those
are
in
close
proximity
to
public
transit
like
Dart
facilities
or
schools.
Priority
two
is
less
of
a
priority,
and
priority
three
would
be
the
the
lowest
priority.
I
Hello,
yes,
my
question
was:
is
there
a
a
term
for
the
category
three?
That's
nothing
will
be
done
within
what
10
or
15
years
or
potentially.
C
What's
that
the
priorities,
certainly
Define,
which
ones
the
city
would
infill
first
or
which
ones
we
want
installed
sooner
than
later,
but
as
far
as
the
timing
on
how
they
would
all
all
of
the
gaps
would
be
filled,
I
don't
know
exactly.
F
Jillian
I
have
a
question
there's
currently
sidewalk
up
to
Southeast
12th.
It
looks
like
so
is
this
the
last
stretch
that
would
connect
That
Sidewalk
to
Southeast
15th?
Essentially,
yes,.
C
C
Yeah
exactly
so
the
sidewalk.
This
is
the
driveway
access
at
Southeast
15th,
and
we
would
expect
sidewalk
to
carry
all
the
way
underneath
Southeast
14th
to
the
other
side,
to
Southeast
12th.
L
C
C
Would
certainly
be
a
connector
to
an
area
where
there'd
be
a
good
amount
of
residential,
even
other
mixed
uses,
connecting
that
activity.
Centers
yeah.
C
Absolutely
so
a
permanent
outdoor
storage
area.
We
would
have
the
expectation
that
instead
of
the
White
Rock
gravel,
we
would
expect
it
to
be
asphalt,
millings
at
a
minimum
or
something
more
durable
like
concrete
or
asphalt
for
the
the
ground
surface.
So
the
the
gravel
is
not
something
that
we
would
typically
see
on
a
permanent
outdoor
storage
area.
Similarly,
the
fence
we
would
expect
it
to
be
a
permanent
screen
fence
like
a
wood,
metal,
composite
type
perimeter
fence
with
you
know,
100
opacity
chain
link
with
slats
is
not
typically
approved
by
staff.
C
L
C
There
and
I
should
explain:
there
are
some
outdoor
storage
areas
on
the
site
that
are
permanent
and
those
were
shown
on
the
original
site
plan.
They've
got
some.
You
know
areas
where
there's
like
block
bunkers
that
provide
that
screen.
There's
Landscaping
that
goes
along
with
outdoor
storage
areas
that
they
are
proposing
in
in
those
permanent
locations.
C
I
think
it
was
mostly
driven
by
the
tenant.
I,
wouldn't
want,
probably
the
property
owner
the
developer.
To
respond
to
that.
C
I,
don't
know
that
it
was
an
enforcement
action
exactly,
but
when
the
zoning
inspectors
have
been
out
there
for
signing
off
on
certificate
of
occupancies,
that's
when
this
discussion
started.
Okay,.
B
J
Two
I
can
maybe
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
You
know,
as
Jillian
pointed
out
that
East
Martin
Luther
King
Junior
Parkway,
has
only
been
fully
constructed
to
15th
Street
or
to
Southeast
15th
Street
there's
a
chance,
or
it's
likely
that
when
the
city
expands
MLK
to
its
full
width,
that
there'll
be
a
sidewalk
constructed
as
part
of
that
CIP
project.
J
B
Sorry,
I
don't
have
my
mic
on
so
does
that
have
so
there's
two
parts
of
the
requested
sidewalk
waiver
one
is
the
southeast
12,
the
Southeast
15th
and
the
other
is
the
connection
from
the
public
doors
of
the
building
to
the
Public's
sidewalk.
C
If
it
showed
the
sidewalk
from
Southeast
15th
to
Southeast
12th
as
well
as
the
connection
and
it
ran
along
the
I
believe
the
west
side
of
Southeast
the
driveway,
and
then
you
can
kind
of
see
this.
It
crossed
wrapped
around
the
north
side
of
the
detention
Basin
and
then
connected
to
the
door.
Okay,
so
there's
a
defined
path
for
pedestrians
to
the
main
building
entrance.
L
Yes,
I
got
another
question,
so
the
section
that
we
waived
is
that
a
part
of
it
it
will
that
be
a
part
of
the
MLK
widening
plan
and
will
that
be
included?
I
guess
did
I
ask
that.
J
Right,
I
I,
don't
know
that
that's
known
yet
I
think.
Ideally
if
and
when
East
MLK
Junior
Parkways
expanded
to
two
lanes
each
Direction
with
the
median
I
think
then
the
city
would
construct
the
sidewalk
as
part
of
that
project,
just
as
it
has
everywhere
else
to
the
West.
Thank.
L
L
J
B
N
Address
give
Claypool
357
Southeast
15th
street
across
the
street,
from
where
we're
sitting
can
you
pull
up
the
Google
Earth
image,
we're
going
to
spend
most
of
our
time
on
the
sidewalk,
but
we
wanted
to
go
in
reverse
again:
Gabe
Claypool
president
CEO,
thank
you
for
Jillian
Franklin
young
and
about
20
other
cities,
Des
Moines
staff
that
have
been
involved
this
process
for
the
last
three
years.
N
Goal
is
to
leave
most
of
the
time
for
questions
so
working
in
reverse
on
the
D
side
of
the
equation
for
loading,
the
front
yard
and
Overhead
Doors.
Any
questions
you
guys
want
us
to
address.
We
agree
with
staff.
N
The
only
thing
I
can
add
on
C,
which
is
the
Outdoor
Storage
side
of
the
equation,
and
why
it's
crushed
concrete?
It's
actually
not
rock.
It's
crushed
concrete.
We've
spent
a
million
plus
dollars
future
proofing
and
expansion
in
that
warehouse.
So
to
make
it
a
permanent
storage
yard,
as
the
city
wants
it
to
find,
would
have
meant
we
would
have
had
to
put
down
a
million
plus
dollars
of
concrete.
Well.
N
If
the
goal
is
to
expand
the
warehouse,
you
can't
do
it
on
existing
concrete,
so
we
would
have
to
put
a
million
dollars
of
concrete
down
to
then
rip
it
out
to
go,
build
the
expanded
Warehouse.
So
that
was
the
concept
behind.
Let's
put
it
in
so
again,
it's
24
inches
of
crushed
concrete.
That's
the
sub
mix.
That's
not
an
eight
inch
yard
that
we're
skimping
on
just
putting
rock
down.
That's,
hopefully
going
to
build
another
85
000
square
feet
for
the
next.
M
Five
years
and
another
important
component
of
that
from
the
original
site
plan
is
when
we
started
this
project,
it
was
a
hundred
percent
on
spec.
We
had
no
idea
who
was
coming
what
products
were
going
to
come
through
here
or
who
was
going
to
occupy
our
warehouse.
So
as
we
move
with
Market
courses,
this
project
has
evolved
accordingly
and
that
lay
down
yard
is
a
critical
component
of
the
Ziggler
caterpillar
and
there
are
75
employees
in
our
warehouse
right
now,
all
due
to
Des
Moines,
by
the
way.
N
I'll
never
Des
Moines
a
lot
of
them
from
Altoona,
a
lot
of
them
from
Minnesota,
but
new
Des,
Moines
taxpayers,
so
pretty
cool
all
right.
Any
other
questions
on
C,
okay,
well,.
G
N
G
J
N
We
were
having
numerous
conversations
with
staff,
which
is,
by
the
way,
Jillian's
I,
think
iteration
number
four
of
people
in
the
city
we've
been
dealing
with,
so
this
was
not
just,
hopefully,
I,
don't
notice.
This
was
a
full-on
conversation
with
the
logic
of
here's.
Where
we're
going
give
us
a
little
leniency,
because
we
can't
do
a
concrete
pad.
We
need
the
land
that
we
bought
from
the
city
to
be
a
revenue
Source,
but
to
go,
spend
a
million
dollars
to
make
it
a
permanent.
M
J
P
G
N
Okay,
B,
which
one's
B
sidewalk
on
the
doors
to
the
building.
Our
biggest
fear
here
is
safety
safety
safety.
Under
no
circumstances
do
we
want
a
kid
riding
his
bike
down
the
street
to
a
park
getting
on
his
bike
with
a
lollipop
in
this
hat,
not
really
thinking
about
where
he's
turning
and
ending
up
on
our
front
door,
our
guys
are
wearing
hard
hats.
They're
wearing
Hive
is
best.
We've
got
10
000
semis
a
year
coming
through
this
facility.
This
is
not
somewhere.
N
You
want
a
public,
sidewalk
people,
you
know
promoting
people
to
come
into.
It
just
makes
no
sense
whatsoever
from
a
logistical
safety
or
an
operational
perspective,
we're
horrified
of
what
could
happen
down
here
with
Professionals
in
high-vis,
vests
and
vehicles,
the
idea
of
throwing
kids
into
the
yard
because
they
didn't
turn
the
right
way
is
just
it's
unsafe
and
it's
just
Preposterous.
From
our
perspective,
it's.
M
Not
just
truck
traffic
I
mean
we're
moving
thousands
of
rail
cars
a
year,
we're
moving
heavy
machinery
in
and
out
of
our
warehouse
every
day,
We're
translating
loading
and
unloading
scrap
rubber
drywall,
and
we
have
guys
and
heavy
machinery
that
they
don't
always
have.
The
best
visibility
in
with
loud
equipment
and
just
foot
traffic
is
a
bad
idea.
N
We
would
have
sidewalks
within
30
I
mean
you
can
see
it.
Sidewalks
would
be
within
40
feet
of
stationary
rental
cars
I
know.
If
my
10
year
old
son
is
going
to
do
if
he
pulls
into
somewhere,
where
nobody's
looking
and
there's
a
rail
car
there
he's
going
to
climb
on
it.
We
do
not
want
that
to
be
even
remotely
possible.
N
Any
questions,
or
is
there
any
debate
on
that
again
industrial
properties
and
why
they
would
be
zoned
and
coded
to
build
sidewalks
into
them?
I
mean
we
have
a
bike
rack
in
our
building
because
of
code,
we're
using
it
to
lock
down
picnic
tables
and
barbecue
grills.
We
are
not
proposing
or
remotely
interested
in
people
walking
around
in
this
facility.
It's
just
it's
just
not
safe
at
all.
G
N
N
I
mean
I'm
out
there,
picking
out
weeds,
I'm
wearing
a
hard
high
business
vest
you
can
come
watch,
it's
just
it's
not
something
that
we're
arguing
the
philosophic
stuff
should
they
be
able
to
or
could
they
walk
or
bike
into
it
sure
they
could,
but
what
Industrial
Area
anywhere
in
the
United
States
frankly
wants
to
encourage
that
kind
of
activity.
Just
it
flies
in
the
face
of
safety.
It's
very
simple:
I.
G
G
F
M
G
B
So
as
part
of
that
issue,
and
also
the
area
to
the
North,
like
I,
mentioned
before
the
connection,
how
they
get
to
MLK
and
providing
a
safe
route
for
that
to
happen
and
I
I
guess,
Southeast
15th
will
eventually
be
connected.
Is
there
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
plans,
I.
J
B
Okay,
I
I
mean
I
I,
think
that's
how
you
get
sort
of
The
Unwanted.
You
know
traffic
going
through
pedestrian
bicycle
traffic
going
through
the
properties
when
we
don't
have
any
connections
nearby
and
I
guess
I'm,
just
sort
of
posing.
How
can
we
facilitate
that
is?
Is
there
an
action
that
makes
it
safe
for
everybody
involved.
H
N
M
B
I
understand
that,
but
people
are
you
know:
gonna
still
seek
out
the
shortest
route
that
they
can,
whether
they
cross
the
railroad
tracks
or
not.
I'm
just
I'm
just
interested-
and
this
may
not
be
something
for
tonight,
but
I'm.
Just
saying
in
the
interest
of
this
area
is
the
residential
areas
grow
that
we
keep
in
mind?
A
J
N
M
You
look
at
what
the
city's
master
plan
is
for
that
area
to
the
north
of
us
and
to
the
West
with
Market
District
and
additional
detention
volumes
in
a
park.
That
zone
is
all
going
to
be
gone,
so
there
will
not
be
trees
there.
There
will
not
be
areas
for
homeless
camps
to
exist
and
depending
on
who
you
believe,
it's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
probably
up
two
to
five
years.
B
J
B
M
N
Yeah,
if
you
look
at
it
from
Southeast
18th
West
to
the
bridge
14th
Street,
there
are
residentials
up
the
hill,
but
the
property
between
our
property.
Then
the
railroad
tracks
is
all
industrial,
Zone
industrial
built
out.
There's
no
homes
there
right
so
they're
not
coming
through
that
right,
never
mind
the
fact
that
railroads
are
never
gonna.
Let
you
do.
N
When
you
go
to
14th
Street
West
over
to
Summit,
that's
all
the
state
capital.
There
are
no
residences
there.
N
Okay,
so
that
b
is
the
beginning
of
this
conversation.
I,
don't
know
the
protocol
here,
but
we've
got
to
run
out
of
time.
The
other
request
is
to
build
from
12th
Street
over
to
15th
Street,
which
we
also
say
in
vain.
We
just
don't
want
to
encourage
any
activity
from
a
pedestrian
traffic
site
on
the
north
side
of
that
road.
There's
a
perfectly
good
wide
bike
trail,
it's
not
even
just
a
bike
or
a
walking
Road
or
walk
walk
the
sidewalk.
It's
probably
an
eight
foot
wide
Trail
on
this
side
of
the
equation.
N
The
other
reason
why,
by
the
way,
Southeast
15th
Street
to
Southeast
18th
Street
was
killed
a
long
time
ago
from
the
sidewalk
perspective
is
because
you
can't
keep
going
east
of
18th
Street
on
the
north
side
of
the
new
MLK
because
it
doesn't
fit
so
the
bridge
is
already
there.
The
roads
has
already
been
established
where
it's
going
to
go.
So,
even
if
you
built
the
sidewalk
from
15th
Street
to
18th
Street
our
city,
Zone
Engineers,
you
can't
build
it
further.
East.
Oh.
M
N
The
last
piece
on
the
safety
side
is
12
to
15.
When
you
go
from
12
to
14th
Street
right
at
14th
Street,
that's
another
railroad
crossing,
so
you're
crossing
the
railroad
again,
not
ours,
being
the
South
Main
Line.
So
that's
a
whole
nother
round
of
is
just
exposing
pedestrians
who
are
not
paying
attention
and
do
not
listen
to
traffic
signals
of
rail.
Crossing
signals.
I've
done
it.
You've
done
it.
The
lights
go
on!
You
look
once
or
twice.
Maybe,
and
you
go
right
through
it.
It's
a
bad
idea.
Q
N
There's
three
primary
entrances
or
access
exit,
Ingress
egress
points,
15th
Street
is
kind
of
the
main
entrance.
Most
of
the
Ziggler
truck
traffic
is
coming
in
off
of
the
15th
Street
15th
at
MLK,
staying
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
leaving
off
of
Southeast
18th
Street,
or
vice
versa.
Most
of
the
traffic
coming
in
to
do
transloading,
picking
up
Lumber,
picking
up
mag
chloride,
Limestone
that
traffic
could
come
in
any
one
of
the
three
access
points.
N
A
lot
of
them
are
coming
in
and
doing
custody
transfers
so,
for
instance,
Limestone,
which
is
all
going
to
the
City
municipal
buildings
or
city
municipalities,
the
blue
and
Water
Works
between
the
predominant
they
come
in
and
off
of
the
south
side
of
the
southeast
Corner
because
they
hit
the
truck
scale,
which
is
the
custody
transfer.
So
the
city
is
buying
wine
based
on
the
weight
of
the
truck
empty.
Then
the
weight
of
the
truck
loaded.
The
difference
is
what
the
city's
paying
the
client
for
the
Limestone
that
they're
bringing
into
Des
Moines
Waterworks.
M
F
F
Okay
and
then
The
Crossing
Across
The
Crossing
for
the
railroad
which
is
on
the
south
part
of
the
South
Side
on
the
trail
that
also
crosses
the
railroad.
How
are
have
we
have
any
accidents
there
or
issues
that
you
could
use
as
reference
for,
adding
that
on
the
North
side,
you
mentioned
that
it
would
be
dangerous
that
has
been
there
for
a
while.
It's
also
a
multi-use
trail
I.
Don't
think
I've
heard
of
any
issues
when
people
are
crossing
that
or
biking
across
that.
N
Bikes
and
railroad
crossings
are
dangerous.
I
don't
have
the
specific
statistics
on
that
Crossing,
but
you
can
look
it
up
on
a
national
basis.
You
do
not
want
to
put
bikes
indicated
kids
near
railroad
tracks.
Inevitably
they
are
because
that's
where
the
cities
built
around
was
the
track,
but
now
you're,
doubling
it
you're
putting
in
two
Crossings
across
the
street
from
each
other
to
really
only
access
our
property.
N
We
did
and
that
wasn't
a
problem
ever
it
was
about
90
000
I
think
was
the
expense
to
bring
it
over.
We
even
did
the
engineering
for
it.
We
did
the
engineering
on
the
crossing
signal,
which
is
also
impacted
by
putting
this
in
I,
think
we
spent
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
engineering
Alone,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
was
all
down
to
safety.
It
was
not,
it
was
never
a
dollar
amount
of
conversation,
it
was
just
practicality
and
safety.
L
Okay,
I
guess
I
do
have
a
question.
I
am
wanting
to
be
understanding
on
the
Public
Access
One,
but
for
the
12th
and
the
15th.
That
is
an
immediate
connector
to
this
building.
It's
an
immediate
connector
to
our
Fleet
Services.
That's
just
behind
us!
L
L
Because,
right
now
we
have
the
southeast
connector
Trail
and
that
goes
across
that
Railroad
and
there
hasn't
been
any
accidents.
I've
went
across
it
multiple
times,
I
I
I
can
understand
your
entrance.
Point
Public
risk
I'm
willing
to
waive
that,
but
the
12th
to
the
15th.
We
have
that
same
pattern
on
the
other
side,
and
it's
it's
difficult
for
me
to
pass
that
buck
to
the
city
in
five
years
or
ten
years.
That's
25
years.
K
M
M
K
M
B
Sorry
I
wasn't,
since
it
was
a
joint
discussion.
I
wasn't
timing,
I,
wasn't
timing
in
exactly
our.
N
H
B
B
Right
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
now
seeing
no
one
else
here:
open
up
to
the
commission
for
discussion
and
motions
yeah.
L
Just
I
guess
my
final
comment:
guys
I'm
really
hard-pressed
on
this
one
I'm,
definitely
willing
to
I,
understand
the
safety
and
concern
for
Public
Access
I'm
willing
to
waive
that
and
not
even
ask
for
Public
Access
I,
think
that's
rational,
but
for
12th
and
15th
or
from
their
main
entrance
all
the
way
to
12th.
L
L
I
think
we
should
pave
it.
It
gives
people
direct
access
to
their
city
government
and
you
know
I'm
all
about
people
being
involved
with
their
city
government.
It
just
understand
the
safety
concern
I'm,
just
not
okay
with
it
right
now.
I.
H
I,
disagree
with
you
respectfully
I
think
that,
because
of
the
unique
sort
of
nature
of
this
facility,
because
it
is
a
because
they're
transporting
from
trains
which
are
here
I've
been
here
for
100
years
to
trucks,
and
it's
on
that
side
of
the
road-
and
there
is
a
viable
Trail
on
the
south
side
that
you
can
take
from
here,
all
the
way
to
principal
park
or
Beyond
to
Gray's
Lake.
H
It's
a
consistent,
Trail
all
the
way
on
the
South
Side
intermittent
on
the
North.
The
south
side
has
it's
got
the
curb
cut,
so
you
can
you
don't
have
to
hop
the
curb
anywhere?
It's
that's
just
if
I
was
gonna
walk
home
I
would
be
walking
on
the
south
side
of
ML
King
all
the
way
to
Fleur,
and
if
there
was
a
trail
on
that
side
for
three
blocks,
I
wouldn't
cross
ML
King
to
get
there
and
then
come
back
over
I
think
that
it
is
a
unique
facility.
H
H
I
think
that
we
should
trust
them
when
they
say
they're
worried
about
it
becoming
an
attractive
nuisance.
They
don't
want
people
riding
their
bikes
on
the
on
that
side
of
the
road.
They
don't
want
someone
mistakingly
turning
and
and
riding
over
to
it,
and
it
is
a
unique
enough
facility
that
that
argument
should
carry
some
weight.
It
does
with
me.
L
I
got
two
rebuttals
if
you
zoom
in
on
the
Google
Earth,
there's
already
a
bike
lane
that
comes
through
that
area
and
people
have
to
still
ride
by
I
mean
people
walk
bike.
Lanes
too
it's
it's
not
going
to
stop
nobody
guys
and
when
the
city
does
pave
this
and
it's
going
to
happen,
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
stop
a
sidewalk
coming
in.
It's.
H
A
priority
to
read:
sidewalk
yeah
for
them.
That
means
that
it
will
like
rehearse
from
them.
However,
many
miles,
there's
600
miles
of
unpaid
and
they're
doing
something
like
seven
miles
a
year
if
priority
three,
that
means
it
might
be
90
or
80
years
before
they
get
to
this
one.
So
they
can't
care
that
much
and
it's
right
there,
so
they
can.
P
K
H
H
H
I
apologize,
I
just
think
it's
I
just
think
it
is
a
unique
Condition.
It's
you,
you
can't
look
at
the
map
of
of
the
city
and
find
another
one.
That's
exactly
like
this.
That
doesn't
mean
that
there
can't
be
other
examples
that
would
rise
to
my
standard
of
safety
where
they,
if
they
said
they
had
10
000
trucks,
and
they
don't
want
to
sidewalk
across
the
curb
cut.
I'd,
probably
go
for
that.
One
too.
I
I
agree
with
Andrew
I
think
safety
overrides
the
other
issues
regarding
access
and
I
actually
have
three
years
in
college
experience
working
for
a
railroad,
so
I'm
familiar
with
safety
concerns,
so.
A
I
L
L
So,
what's
the
priority
on
the
Southwest
connector
like
what's
the
priority
three
sidewalk
no
like
when,
when
do
we
think
that
will
be
completed.
J
Whenever
funding
is
available,
I
know
the
city's
highest.
Priority
is
getting
it
built
between
Southeast
30th,
Street
and
Highway
65
69
to
get
one
lane
each
Direction
and
then
once
that's
done,
the
city
I
think
will
continue
I'm
seeking
grants
and
other
means
to
fund
widening
it
to
four
lanes
from
Southeast
15..
But
it's.
J
F
In
the
meantime,
I
would
I
would
add
that
I
I
agree
with
Carolyn.
We
have
asked
other
people.
We
have
set
a
precedent
for
sidewalk
on
both
streets,
people
that
actually
have
a
cost
barrier
and
we
have
made
them
do
it
so
and
the
other,
as
as
Justin
just
mentioned,
we
do
have
a
project
coming
down
the
pipeline.
So
when
the
CI
comes,
this
is
going
to
be
the
only
site
with
a
gap
on
both
sides
of
MLK.
That
does
not
have
a
sidewalk.
B
J
B
B
B
No
I've
closed
the
public
hearing.
I'm
sorry.
B
I'm
sorry
yeah.
B
O
O
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
a
quick
comment
at
the
risk
of
be
laboring.
This
I
think
I
agree
that
there's
actually
a
really
nice
Trail
on
the
south
side
of
this
road
already
and
I,
like
I,
think
it
seems
safer
to
collect
the
majority
of
pedestrians
and
Runners
and
cyclists
on
that
existing
really
wide
Trail.
D
With
respect
to
the
idea
that
the
city
is
going
to
expand
MLK
and
have
it
be
two-way,
they
may
usually
build
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
a
street
like
that,
but
in
this
case
they
could
take
into
consideration
the
function
of
this
building
that
we're
looking
at
and
have
a
nice
crosswalk
to
bring
people
down
to
that
existing
Trail
bypass
this
industrial
use
and
then
get
them
back
up
at
12th
to
the
north
side
of
the
street.
H
That's
well
said:
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
wave
the
sidewalk.
So
a
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
wave
the
sidewalk
connection.
B
Yep,
okay:
we
have
a
motion.
B
There
is
any
amendments
to
the
emotion
we
if
there's
not
any,
we'll,
go
ahead
and
vote
on
it.
All.
Those
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
J
No
reports
but
I'm
just
going
to
mention
two
things
tonight:
one
we're
expecting
to
have
a
5
30
work
session
in
the
coming
months
on
the
to
update
you
on
progress
on
the
city's
historic
preservation
plan,
and
we've
received
a
draft
for
review,
so
we'll
be
having
a
presentation
on
that
likely
end
of
July,
maybe
early
August,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
our
new
development
services,
director
Cody
Christensen,
is
in
the
audience
tonight.
So
just
throw
a
shout
out
to
him.
B
E
It
wasn't
expecting
that
sort
of
a
welcome
anyway
yeah
Mike
Burt
said
I'm
Cody
Christensen
I'm,
as
as
of
a
month
now,
I've
been
the
the
new
director
of
development
services,
so
I'm
gonna
be
popping
into
these
meetings
more
frequently
and
and
look
forward
to
working
with
any
and
all
of
you
as
as
we
move
things
forward.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
feel
free
to
reach
out
or
or
just
just
holler,
but
been
with
the
city.
E
Since
2006
worked
as
a
building
inspector
plan,
reviewer,
Deputy,
building
official
permit
and
development
administrator,
so
I've
always
been
involved
with
Community
Development
or
development
services.
Here,
since
we've
existed
and
looking
forward
to
the
new
role,
so
it's
nice
to
nice
to
have
a
formal
introduction
thanks
Bert
thank.
B
E
B
All
I
had,
if
there's
nothing
else,
we're
done.
Thank
you.