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From YouTube: 6-28-23 Zoning Board of Adjustment
Description
Des Moines Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting on Wednesday, June 28, 2023.
View the agenda: https://DSM.city/ZBOAatHome
A
B
B
The
members
of
this
board
are
citizens
of
the
city
of
Des
Moines.
They
have
been
appointed
to
this
board
by
the
city
council,
the
board
members
are
volunteers
and
they
receive
no
compensation
for
their
public
service.
I'll.
Take
a
moment
here
to
introduce
our
board
members
on
the
audiences.
We'll
start
on.
The
audience's
left
is
Justin.
Gross
next
to
him
is
marlis
Jones,
I'm
Mel
pins.
The
board
chair
on
the
on
my
left
is
Rhonda
sedillo
and
next
to
her
is
Dave
Gare.
This
is
a
seven-member
board.
B
We're
missing,
we
have
one
member
that
had
resigned
a
couple
months
ago
has
not
been
reappointed,
and
that
would
make
us
sick
and
we
have
one
absent
today.
So
that's
five
of
us
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
that
in
a
moment,
I'm
going
to
introduce
our
city
staff,
who
will
also
be
assisting
us
today
to
my
left,
is
the
board
of
adjustments,
legal
counsel,
Mr
Gary,
guidelock
City
staff
that
will
be
assisting
Jason,
Van,
Essen,
planning,
administrator
shrey,
Yosi,
chakraborty
city
planner,
Catherine,
drahas,
city
planner
and
Eric
Lundy.
B
Zoning
enforcement
officer
and
Eric
has
a
new
title
too
right.
Yeah
he's
still
zoning
enforcement
officer
for
this
meeting.
Our
meeting
moderator
down
here
in
front
is
Tyler
Hall
I'm,
going
to
cover
our
meeting
procedure
here
next.
For
some
of
you,
this
may
be
your
first
time
in
front
of
us.
You
may
hope
it's
your
only
time,
but
we
will
help.
Take
you
through
this,
so
don't
be
nervous
about
the
process
itself.
As
we
go
through
the
agenda.
B
We
will
help
you
through
that,
but
to
give
you
some
background
on
the
board
and
the
process
here,
just
for
a
couple
minutes
here:
I'll
review
that,
first
of
all,
the
Zoning
Board
of
adjustment
is
a
quasi-judicial
board.
This
is
a
hearing
that
will
be
conducted
within
the
procedures
and
format
as
authorized
by
Iowa
law
and
this
City's
ordinances.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
The
meeting
is
being
recorded
by
both
audio
and
video
for
a
legal
record
of
these
proceedings.
B
The
board
members
have
each
received
a
copy
of
the
agenda
and
the
staff
recommendations.
If
you
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
agenda
or
the
staff
recommendations,
we
have
them
in
the
box
here
by
the
door.
So
when
I'm,
through
with
my
opening
remarks,
if
you
don't
have
one
feel
free
to
step
up
and
grab
one
the
board
members
each
have
a
copy
of
this
agenda
and
staff
recommendation.
B
B
B
B
B
We'll
then
move
to
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing
for
that
item,
and
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
in
support
of
in
opposition
to
or
even
in
neutrality
of
an
appeal
will
be
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
to
present
their
comments.
This
will
be
their
one
and
only
opportunity
to
address
the
board
regarding
the
agenda
item
at
hand
once
all
concerned
citizens
have
spoken,
the
board
will
then
ask
any
additional
questions
of
City
staff
and,
lastly,
the
applicant
will
be
given
three
more
minutes
for
rebuttal
or
other
closing
comments
if
they
so
choose.
B
All
speakers
must
only
speak
from
the
podium
here
at
the
center
of
the
room
and
begin
their
presentation
by
first
giving
both
their
name
and
address
that
address
can
be
your
business
or
residence
as
appropriate.
In
the
event,
you
may
need
to
be
contacted
for
legal
notices
related
to
the
outcome
of
this
appeal.
B
All
speakers
are
requested
to
remain
courteous
and
to
focus
their
comments
only
on
those
facts
that
demonstrate
whether
or
not
the
criteria
established
by
law
has
been
satisfied.
Speakers
are
also
asked
to
ensure
that
they
are
respectful
of
time
considerations
if
necessary.
The
board
chair
will
limit
further
comments
by
a
speaker
if
they
exceed
their
time
limitation.
B
B
Finally,
if
your
appeal
is
approved
today,
we
ask
that
you
wait
until
at
least
one
week
from
today's
hearing
to
contact
the
city's
permit
and
Development
Center
if
you
would
need
to
obtain
any
necessary
building
permits
or
sign
permits
that
are
related
to
your
appeal.
This
will
allow
the
decision
of
the
board
to
be
documented
in
the
form
of
a
decision
and
Order
which
will
be
provided
to
you
and
City
staff
for
the
record.
B
The
decisions
of
this
board
can
only
be
appealed
in
the
Iowa
district
court.
So
if
you
believe
you've
been
harmed
by
an
error
made
by
this
board,
your
only
remedy
is
to
seek
relief
through
the
court
within
30
days
of
the
filing
of
the
board's
decision.
In
order,
if
you
believe
the
zoning
regulations
applied
by
this
board
are
wrong,
you
may
petition
the
city
council
to
change
those
regulations
for
future
considerations.
B
All
material,
written
or
otherwise
used
today
is
part
of
any
presentation
is
a
part
of
the
permanent
record.
So
if
you
have
any
photos,
documents,
drawings
Maps,
anything
like
that
that
you
want
to
show
us
today.
If
you
have
not
already
given
City
staff
copies
of
those,
you
will
need
to
do
so
here
at
the
hearing
or
let
them
make
appropriate
copies.
You
may
contact
City
staff
after
the
hearing.
B
If
you'd,
like
a
copy
of
anything,
presented,
just
a
few
quick
housekeeping
items,
please
avoid
any
undue
conversation
in
the
audience
so
as
to
limit
distractions
during
the
hearing
you're
doing
a
fine
job,
please
ensure
your
cell
phone
has
been
silenced
also
so
far
so
good,
and
if
you
need
to
use
the
restroom,
you
can
leave
through
the
main
door.
Here,
you
don't
have
to
go
back
downstairs.
There's
restrooms
just
past
the
staircase
on
your
left,
subject
to
the
length
of
the
hearing,
we
may
take
a
five
minute
break
or
so
around
three
o'clock.
B
D
B
B
So,
if
you're
one
of
the
appellants-
and
you
don't
agree
to
those
conditions,
you
can
ask
this
to
be
placed
on
the
regular
agenda
and
we
will
review
that
here
today.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we
may
rule
for
or
against.
You
we'll
just
see
what
the
facts
present,
but
staff
is
recommending
conditional
use
approval
for
item
one
in
the
vicinity
of
2806
East,
29th
Street.
Again,
that's
subject
to
certain
staff
conditions.
Is
there
anybody
here
who
would
be
opposed
to
granting
that
conditional
use
subject
to
staff
recommendations?
If
so,
just
raise
your
hand?
B
Okay,
nobody
for
item
one
okay
item
two
is
a
zoning
exception
request
at
6079,
Southeast,
14th,
Street
related
to
some
signage
and
again,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
appeal
subject
to
certain
restrictions
on
that.
Is
there
anybody
here?
That
would
object
to
approving
that
with
the
conditions
as
presented
all
right.
This
gentleman
woods
so
we
will
put
that
on
the
regular
portion
of
the
agenda.
So
we'll
move
item
two
from
consent
item
three:
is
the
zoning
exception
request
at
6025,
Southeast
14th
Street
not
too
far
away?
That's
also
related
to
some
signage.
B
B
Pardon
me
item
five
is
also
conditional
use
request
related
to
selling
alcoholic
liquor
wine
and
beer
at
1011,
Locust
Street.
Anybody
here
opposed
to
granting
that
conditional
use
subject
to
the
restrictions
staff
has
recommended
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
leave
items
one
and
five
Alone,
so
that
I
would
leave
items
one
conditional
use
at
2806,
East,
29th
and
item
five
conditional
use
at
1011
Locust
Street,
unless
the
board
has
any
concerns
with
those,
but
there
be
a
motion
to
Grant
approval
of
those
items
on
consent
move
by
marlus.
B
Second,
by
Rhonda:
okay,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
aye.
All
right,
so
motion
carries
five
to
zero.
So
if
you
were
here
for
items,
one
or
five,
those
have
been
approved,
subject
to
staff
recommendations,
you'll
get
a
copy
of
that
decision
in
order
in
about
a
week,
so
you're
welcome
to
leave
the
hearing
at
this
time.
B
Now,
before
we
move
forward
since
we're
going
to
hear
items,
two
three
four
and
I
believe
six
was
on
our
regular
agenda
on
each
of
these
items,
since
there
are
only
five
members
of
the
board
present
today,
it
always
takes
four
members
of
this
board
for
an
approval.
This
is
not
a
simple
majority
like
three
to
two
and
you
get
it.
You
always
have
to
have
four
yeses.
So
when
we
only
have
five
members
present,
you
got
to
convince
all
of
us,
but
one
of
the
reasoning
for
your
request.
B
So
we
offer
you
an
option
if
you're
the
applicant,
you
can
defer
this
to
the
next
month's
meeting.
However,
keep
in
mind,
I
can
never
guarantee
that
we
have
seven
members
here.
I
can't
guarantee
that
we
have
six
members
here,
but
when
we
get
down
to
five
I
just
make
that
statement.
So
you
know
you
can't
kick
the
can
down
the
road
forever,
but
if
you'd
want
to
defer
to
next
month,
there
may
still
just
be
five
of
us
here
next
month.
Maybe
there'd
be
six.
B
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
here
is
just
see
if
there's
anybody
kind
of
an
order
of
appearance.
Here,
we've
got
items
two
three
four
and
six,
so
the
appellant
for
item
two.
You
want
to
stick
around
and
have
your
case
heard.
Okay,
he
says
yes,
I
see
him
back.
There
item
three
same
thing:
okay,
appellant
for
item
four
ready
to
stick
around
okay
item:
six:
okay,
would
you
go
ahead
and
just
step
up
to
the
mic,
so
I
can
get
your
name
and
and
and
and
address
here
share
if
I
may.
E
B
Because
of
ragbright
we
usually
meet
the
fourth
Wednesday
of
the
month
at
1
pm,
because
Ragbrai
will
be
in
town
and
like
right
here,
pretty
much
going
by
on
that
fourth
Wednesday
of
July
we're
moving
it
to
what's
our
date,
August
2nd,
which
is
the
first
Wednesday
of
the
month
yeah.
So
with
that
in
mind,
sir,
if
I
can
just
have
your
name
address.
B
B
E
B
B
Okay,
all
right
Mike
yeah
go
ahead.
Oh
okay!
The
applicant
has
requested
to
move
to
next
month
meetings.
The
applicant
also
understands
this
is
not
a
you
know:
ongoing
deferral
situation,
but,
but
for
this
month
he's
requested
that
deferral
all
right
motion
by
marvelous.
Second,
by
Rhonda,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say.
Aye.
All
right
motion
carries
five
zero;
okay,
all
right!
So
just
as
a
reminder
again,
it's
it's
down
the
line
more
than
one
month,
August
2nd
that'd
be
next
time
around
okay,
okay.
B
D
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
or
city,
as
mentioned
this
request,
is
before
you
for
a
type
2
zoning
exception
for
installation
of
an
illuminated
Monument
sign
locate
with
a
maximum
height
of
12
feet.
The
location
is
at
the
intersection
of
Southeast
14th,
Street
and
Cummins
Road.
It
is
a
signalized
intersection.
D
D
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
or
return
to
any
slides
that
we
might
have
zipped
through.
Oh
and
my
apologies
I
always
forget
this
part.
We
did
send
out
our
notice.
We
did
not
receive
any
Communications
back
from
the
neighboring
properties
within
the
impacted
area
and
then
again
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
might
have
for
staff
or
return
to
new
slides,
Justin.
E
D
D
D
A
B
B
B
B
B
G
G
That
this
is
an
existing
sign
that
was
built
last
year
installed
last
year.
It
is
in
the
location,
just
150
feet,
south
of
the
current
item,
which
is
Raising
Canes
and
just
set
at
12
foot
tall
by
12
foot
back,
and
it
was
approved
at
a
six
foot
set
back
so
to
make
it
uniform,
I
think
right
now
what
we're
asking
is
for
8.8,
but
if
it
can
be
six
I
put
8.8
due
to
the
division
triangle.
G
That
was
the
location
of
the
sign
to
put
it
outside
of
the
15
foot
by
15
foot
triangle
to
allow
for
it
to
be
viewed.
That
was
a
six
foot.
Minimum
would
be
an
acceptable
I
mean
just
to
make
it
consistent
as
opposed
to
just
having
one
be
8.8
and
1B
6.,
so
for
the
actual
sign
that's
being
produced,
and
if
it
is
an
issue.
G
For
the
other
multi-tenant
panels,
so
the
goal
of
the
the
design
between
this
sign
and
the
sign
to
the
north,
which
is
the
second
item
or
the
third
item
is
to
have-
was
to
have
tenants
of
that
backspace
occupying
this
front
sign.
If
that's
going
to
be
an
off-premise
issue,
I'm
sure
Raising
Canes
would
not
have
a
problem
occupying
the
entire
sign
based
on
their
in
your
feet
of
their
Frontage.
They
would
be
allowed
that
90
square
foot
entire
sign.
G
B
G
G
That
would
be
a
different
issue
for
a
different
time.
Yeah
in
terms
of
just
the
monument
sign
like
I
said,
Raising
Cane's
has
no
problem
occupying
the
entirety
of
that
sign,
okay
and
again
to
match
uniformity
of
the
Olive
Garden
that
is
currently
existing.
We're
requesting
a
12
foot
sign.
The
city
code
requires
a
25
foot
setback
to
allow
a
12
foot
tall
sign.
G
G
The
only
other
thing
I
would
suggest,
or
mention
sure
is
there-
is
not
currently
any
form
of
ground
sign
on
this
location
uh-huh
due
to
a
request
by
the
city.
As
a
couple
months
ago,
this
sign
was
removed.
The
city
required
this
pull
sign
to
be
removed,
so
there
is
currently
no
ground
sign
for
any
of
these
tenants.
Okay,
so.
B
G
B
B
There
needs
to
be
special
considerations
related
to
the
property
in
question
itself,
so
I
always
try
to
say
that
you
know
tell
me
about
what
you're
doing
and
why
not
Chase.
Somebody
else
got
to
do
this
and
I
realize
it's
very
close
yeah,
but
going
back
to
that
I
just
want
to
preface
something
before
I.
Ask
you
a
question
here
at
the
time
that
we
considered
the
Olive
Garden
sign.
We
saw
a
site
plan
that
showed
a
parking
lot
and
based
on
where
the
entrance
to
the
parking
lot
was
I.
B
Believe
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
you
or
somebody
else.
That
said
well,
if
you
make
me
push
that
sign
back
further
now,
I
have
to
move
the
entrance
to
my
driveway
and
that's
going
to
screw
up
my
parking
area.
That's
the
best.
I
can
recall
it
that
sound
about
right,
yeah.
So
that's
what
I'm!
That's
what
I'm
curious
when
I
keep
hearing
uniformity
consistency?
A
G
G
So
there
is
the
island
there
in
terms
of
that,
I
will
say
that
the
that
Island,
putting
the
sign
back
further
would
then
hinder
sight
lines
of
people
leaving
the
site.
But
if
it's
set
back
to
the
location
where
we're
proposing
it,
it
is
far
enough
set
back
due
to
the
property
line
being
set
back,
so
their
Vision
triangle
would
not
be
obstructed
because,
if
you're
acquiring
a
12-foot
setback,
the
sign
is
11
foot
long.
That
would
set
the
whole
sign
back
into
that
space,
causing
an
issue.
B
B
So
you
talk
about
well.
If
we
set
the
sign
back
far
enough
we're
going
to
mess
with
our
internal
Vision
triangle
and
people
can't
see
to
navigate
on
the
site,
correct
sure.
So,
doesn't
the
city's
site
plan
already
account
for
making
sure
there's
appropriate
clearances
for
signs
on
site
so
that
they
don't
obstruct
people's
views
on.
G
G
B
B
B
B
F
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
based
on
the
Gilbert
case.
The
actual
content
of
the
sign
is
not
really
in
question
right.
The
earnings
of
the
size
area
are
based
on
the
property
and
the
building
right,
so
whether
CubeSmart
wants
to
go
on
the
cane
sign,
that's
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
regulate
that.
No
okay!
No
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
So
in
our
previous
ordinance
and
in
prior
to
Gilbert,
we
did
regulate
whether
the
the
message
related
to
something
on
the
property,
but
we're.
B
F
B
That's
interesting,
okay!
Well,
it
might
help
them
out
in
the
end,
then,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
all
right!
So
Adrian,
you
want
to
say
anything
else.
Since
zoning
enforcement
spoke,
it
sounds
like
it
was
clarification
rather
than
any
kind
of
kind
of
rebuttal.
Okay,
all
right,
then
we'll
close
the
public
portion
and
go
to
board
deliberation.
B
A
B
All
right
well,
if
I
give
Adrian
some
credit
here,
which
he
probably
deserves
a
good
employee
and
of
a
business.
You
know
he
said:
hey
we're
trying
to
be
consistent.
We
are
trying
to
look
the
same.
This
is
kind
of
where
our
sign
needs
to
be.
It
does
look
like
the
driveways
are
kind
of
parallel
to
where
they
were
before.
B
B
B
B
B
B
G
B
H
A
H
B
All
right
would
there
be
a
second
all
right
so
motion
by
Dave,
a
second
by
Rhonda,
to
accept
staff
recommendation
for
approval
of
the
sign
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
one
and
two,
however,
and
number
one
we're
going
to
amend
that
it
shall
be
set
back,
a
minimum
of
six
feet
from
the
West
Frontage
property
line,
not
the
12
and
a
half
all
right.
If
that's
clear,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
hi.
If
you
concur
all
right
all
right,
no
opposition.
All
right
motion
carries
five
zero.
B
D
D
Again,
the
appellant
is
requesting
relief
for
a
12-foot
sign,
so
it'll
be
four
feet
over
the
allowed
eight
feet
and
by
code
it
would
need
to
be
placed
at
25
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
asking
for
that:
12-foot
sign
to
be
located
at
1.2
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
D
A
B
E
D
Staff
has
not
been,
staff
has
not
been
comfortable
with
the
six
foot
setback
in
April
2022
staff
recommended
12.5
feet
for
the
Olive
Garden
setback
and
I
believe
as
the
chair
recollected
during
the
public
hearing
and
discussion
of
the
board
on
that
item,
it
was
determined
by
the
board
that
six
feet
would
be
an
acceptable
setback.
So
that
was
the
board's
decision,
whereas
staff's
recommendation
at
that
time
and
and
today
as
well
on
both
of
these
items
has
been
the
half.
E
B
B
G
G
B
A
H
B
G
B
G
If
the
the
I
mean
the
option
would
be
otherwise
to
place
an
eight
foot
tall
sign
there,
which
does
not
have
the
same
setback
issues
and
at
that
point
the
eight
foot
tall
sign
would
be
allowed
by
the
city
in
terms
of
code
based
on
right,
Frontage
and
setback,
but
the
customer
is
requesting
to
have
the
customer's
basically
requesting
to
have
the
larger
12
foot
tall
sign,
so
Dollar
Tree
does
not
feel
like
they
are
being
excluded
from
that.
Despite
the
fact,
it's
not
their
call.
G
E
B
G
The
they
will
not
be
unbranded,
but
they
will
not
have
as
large
of
a
road
sign
or
as
large
of
a
presence
if
the
sign
is
not
able
to
be
set
back.
Okay,
that
feed,
so
this
it's
either
going
to
be.
They
have
a
smaller
sign
set
basically
there
or
we
allow
a
larger
sign
and
a
different
location
to
be
discussed
by
the
staff
and
us
in
the
future.
B
B
If
we
had
a
proposal
that
we
were
willing
to
support
to
change
that
12
and
a
half
feet
set
back
from
the
West
Frontage
line
to
six
feet
and
allow
you
to
have
the
taller
sign
four
feet
over
the
maximum
allowed
eight,
then
you
can
work
with
staff
and
push
it
around
further.
Potentially,
is
that
correct
and.
G
B
B
H
H
B
G
B
All
right
well
we'll
see
what
we
can
do,
then,
to
make
that
workable.
Anything
else.
Adrian,
nope.
Okay,
all
right!
Anybody
speak
here
in
sport
of
the
applicant.
Anybody
in
opposition
neutrality,
okay,
seeing
none
Eric
anything!
You
want
to
add
you're
good.
Okay,
any
further
questions
for
staff.
Seeing
none
we'll
close
the
public
portion
go
to
board
deliberation,
so
we
did
have
the
words
consistency
and,
and
what
was
the
other
one?
There
uniformity
so
So,
based
on
that
being
consistent
uniformity.
B
Okay,
all
right!
We've
probably
granted
some
reasoning
for
the
exception.
So
would
there
be
a
motion
Emotion
by
Rhonda,
and
that
is
to
what?
What
is
your
motion?
Okay,
all
right?
So
so
you
would
recommend
the
exception
staff
recommendation
with
an
amendment
on
item
one
six.
Instead
of
12
and
a
half
okay,
second,
by
Marlins,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say:
aye.
Aye.
All
right
motion
carries
five
zero.
All
right
nice
work
today,
Adrian
keep
up
the
good
work
down
there.
That
Plaza
I
worked
there
at
Major
Video
back
in
1986.
B
J
J
J
So
the
appellant
is
the
subject
property
here
at
University
at
the
intersection
of
42nd
Street.
This
is
a
busy
intersection.
There
is
quite
a
few
commercial
establishments
here,
both
small
as
well
as
large
scale.
The
the
business
in
question
is
a
tenant
space
in
this
existing
building
that
you
can
see
right
here.
J
There's
a
shared
parking
lot,
there's
quite
a
few
tenants
in
this
existing
building
and
there's
a
shared
parking
lot,
providing
off-street
parking
on
both
the
sides
and
there's
commercial
uses
to
the
South
as
well
as
flanking
the
intersections
to
the
west
to
the
north.
I
would
point
out
that
there
is
low
density,
residential
zoned,
N5,
District.
J
J
Again,
this
just
shows
some
of
the
existing
tenants
that
are
located
and
a
close-up
view
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
street.
This
is
the
back
side
of
the
of
the
building.
This
shows
you
the
there
is
low
density
residential
to
the
north,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
retaining
wall
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
landscaping
and
vegetation
that
kind
of
forms,
the
border
of
the
commercial
area
to
the
South
and
the
residential
to
the
north
and
again
this
is
another
view
of
the
back
side
of
the
building.
J
J
So
the
the
appellant
is
owns
a
business
which
is
a
event,
slash
kitchen
space
that
is
available
for
rent
for
rent
and
it's
about
2
393
square
feet
in
size,
and
it's
within
this
existing
building
right
here.
The
proposal
is
to
be
able
to
allow
clients
to
be
able
to
rent
out
the
kitchen
space,
and
then
there
is
an
event
space.
That's
attached
to
the
to
the
to
that
particular
business
which
would
be
used
for
small
scale,
events
which
the
applicant
has
indicated.
J
This
is
a
conceptual
sketch
of
the
of
the
larger
area.
There
are
some
improvements
proposed
which
are
in
coordination
with
the
University
Avenue
project.
So
you
can
see
there's
going
to
be
some
additional
Landscaping
in
the
parking
area.
Some
reconfiguration
of
the
dry
vials
So,
currently
there's
two
dry
vials.
Those
are
going
to
go
away.
There's
going
to
be
one
drive
access,
there's
going
to
be
additional
Landscaping,
there's
about
50
off
street
parking
spaces
provided
for
all
of
the
tenants
to
share.
J
So
that's
just
a
larger
concept.
Sketch
again,
this
gives
you
some
calculation
in
terms
of
the
parking
spaces
and
so
on.
I'll.
Just
move
on
to
the
floor
plan
that
the
the
appellant
provided.
So
this
this
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
the
space
is
like.
It's
it's
about
2393
square
feet
about.
Roughly
half
of
that
is
going
to
be
used
for
the
kitchen
space
which
is
available
for
hourly
and
monthly
rentals.
So
you
can
see
the
kitchen
is
on
the
back
side.
J
There's
there's
some
tables
spaces
right
here
and
then
the
area
to
the
front
which
is
right
here
is
where
the
appellant
is
proposing
a
potential
event
space
where
small
scale
events
could
be
could
be
held,
and
that
is
where
they
are
proposing.
The
sale
and
on-site
consumption
of
alcoholic
liquor.
Wine
and
beer
I
can
come
back
to
this.
We
have
some
more
drawings
of
the
floor
floor
plan
in
in
reviewing
this
particular
request,
staff
has
looked
at
the
criteria
for
the
board
to
consider
and
has
provided
commentary
on
each
of
those
criteria.
J
One
of
the
ones
that
I
would
like
to
point
out
is
number
seven
and
I'll
just
go
right
here.
So
the
criteria
number
seven
is
that
the
proposed
you
shall
have
no
significant
detrimental
impact
for
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
adjoining
properties.
Staff
believes
that
the
proposed
use
would
not
have
an
impact
on
the
surrounding
properties
if
it
operates
in
accordance
with
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
So
with
that
I
will
move
on
to
the
staff
recommendation.
J
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
conditional
use
request,
subject
to
nine
conditions,
which
we
believe
that
if
this
conditional
uses
a
is
approved
with
those
conditions,
they
would
reduce
the
any
detrimental
impact
on
the
neighboring
adjoining
properties,
which
there
is
low
density
residential
to
the
to
the
north.
So
I'm
going
to
quickly
scan
through
the
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
conditions
of
of
approval.
The
the
first
one
is
that
the
business
shall
operate
as
a
small
assembly
and
entertainment
used
within
an
area
of
approximately
2393
square
feet
of
the
existing
building.
J
It
shall
operate
in
accordance
with
the
liquor
license
obtained
through
the
through
the
city
clerk
and
approved
by
city
council.
The
business
shall
comply
with
Article
4
of
chapter
42
of
the
city
code
pertaining
to
noise
control.
The
business
shall
conspicuously
post
24-hour
contact
information
for
a
manager
owner
of
the
business
near
the
main
public
entrance,
the
business
shell
Institute,
a
strict,
no
loitering
policy
and
post
one
or
more
new
loitering
signs
and
cooperate
with
police
and
addressing
loitering
on
the
premises.
J
And
if,
at
any
time,
the
zoning
enforcement
officer
determines
that
the
operation
of
the
business
becomes
a
nuisance
and
and
violates
the
conditions
set
forth
in
the
conditional
use.
The
zoning
enforcement
officer
May
apply
to
the
board
to
reconsider
the
issuance
of
the
conditional
use.
So
these
are
the
conditions
that
staff
is
recommending
with
the
approval
of
the
conditional
use.
J
The
applicant
conducted
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
here's
a
summary
I'm
just
I'm,
going
to
pause
here
for
a
minute
to
give
you
some
time
to
scan
through
this.
There
were
three
Neighbors
in
attendance,
and
these
are
some
of
the
concerns
that
they
had
and
some
of
the
discussions
that
were
had,
which
included
in
summary,
concerns
about
day-to-day
operation
hours,
as
well
as
the
liquor
license
itself
and
concerns
about
that.
J
J
J
A
J
So
the
the
hours
of
operation-
and
they
have
been
similar
requests
in
the
past,
and
this
has
been
staff
recommendation
for
those
kind
of
similar
uses,
and
it
was
vetted
by
the
board
and
approved.
So
we
thought
that
would
be
a
good
precedent
to
use
for,
in
this
case,
as
well
in
in
that
being,
a
similar
use.
As
before
follow-up.
K
B
All
right
well,
thank
you.
We'll
have
the
public
give
a
chance
to
comment
here
in
a
minute,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge
here.
I
see
there's
cards
when
they
make
statements
about
noise
and
trucks
pulling
through
I
know
when
people
write
stuff
down,
they've
got
an
intention,
but
I
have
a
difficult
time
telling
with
those
has
there
been
a
problem
with
noise
and
drunkenness
now
in
the
lot,
or
is
that
a
potential
concern
in
the
future
From
staff's
perspective?
B
J
B
And
I
know
you
could
pull
a
police
report
from
my
house
if
you
wanted
to,
but
but
there's
there's
nothing
from
staff's
perspective.
That's
a
sore
thumb
right
now
or
anything.
Okay,
all
right,
we'll
certainly
see
what
the
what
what
some
other
people
have
for
any
concerns
there.
Okay,
all
right!
Jason!
You
want
to
add
something.
H
B
L
My
name
is
Martha
Pasteur
and
Moxie's.
Address
is
4115.
University
Ave,
but
I
also
live
in
the
wakelin
Park
neighborhood
at
16,
24,
44th
and
I
am
one
of
four
business
partners
that
own
Moxie
and
two
out
of
the
four
live
in
Waveland
Park.
So
we
are
very
concerned
about
the
integrity
and
enhancing
the
quality
of
life
in
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
it's
our
neighborhood,
so
cool
in
the
floor
plan
that
we've
pulled
up
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
switch
back
to
that.
B
M
C
C
L
Our
business
plan
entails
that
we
will
have
shared
use
kitchens
and
that
those
tenants
will
be
able
to
conduct
small
pop-up
events.
As
you
all
know,
property
for
restaurants
is
very
hard
to
come
by
in
this
city,
and
this
will
afford
the
ability
for
small
businesses
that
are
getting
their
start
to
host
something
and
with
with
the
benefit
of
a
liquor
license.
It
will
be
a
true
experience
for
our
clients.
Historically,
you
mentioned
Godfathers.
This
was
Godfather's,
it
looks
nothing
like
it
now.
B
B
B
L
B
L
N
N
The
reason
why
I
bring
this
up
is
because
some
of
the
people
that
are
going
to
present
things
to
you
here
were
using
expletives
to
describe
Tim
Urban,
calling
him
a
liar.
Calling
him
somebody
who
could
not
be
trusted
was
also
able
to
identify
his
address
on
Foster
Drive,
which
I
found
to
be
concerning.
N
I
own
two
restaurants,
here
in
town
I,
have
her
license
under
my
name.
We've
had
zero
violations
of
any
kind,
I,
actually
sleep
with
my
phone
underneath
my
pillow
for
any
instances
that
could
arise.
I'm
down
there
at
the
restaurant
I
have
expressed
to
the
the
people
that
are
here
today.
They
have
my
personal
phone
number.
They
know
my
proximity
to
the
place
and
I'm
absolutely
responsible
to
be
there
at
any
point
in
time.
That
is
necessary.
N
Truly
the
questions
about
what
we
are
providing
to
the
community
weren't,
really
the
utmost
concern.
The
biggest
concern
was
not
doing
anything
that
could
help
Tim
Urban
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
One
of
the
other
items
that
was
expressed
was
a
Godfather's
truck
that
sat
overnight
again.
I
referred
to
my
phone
number
and
I
said.
If
anything
like
that
would
ever
occur,
I
will
get
that
taken
care
of
personally
for.
N
Any
deliveries
that
this
place
would
have
would
be
during
the
daytime
food
purveyors
would
most
likely
be
there
sometime
during
the
day.
You
know
dropping
things
off,
however,
that's
not
really
what
the
concept
about
most
of
these
partners
and
people
that
would
be
renting
will
actually
go,
do
their
own
shopping,
bring
in
their
own
foods
and
there
won't
be
a
whole
lot
of
deliveries
going
on
there.
B
E
E
E
L
Yep
I've
worked
in
events
for
10
years
and
we
would
just
contractually
obligate
the
total
number
of
people
that
are
required.
We
would
operate
under.
You
know:
compliance
with
any
kind
of
fire
code
that
we
have.
There
will
be
an
on-site
manager
for
every
event
and
are
with
us
holding
the
liquor
license
as
opposed
to
a
catering
company
coming
in
and
using
their
own
license
on
our
property.
It
allows
us
the
ability
to
manage
and
train
our
staff
to
ensure
that
there
is.
M
L
A
M
M
L
N
I
have
also
expressed
having
the
having
anybody
in
the
neighborhood
can
have
my
phone
number.
If
there
is
any
issue
with
compliance
there
again,
I'd
be
there
in
a
spot
and
be
able
to
take
care
of
that
further
more
than
staff
members
that
will
be
responsible,
we'll
take
the
ipac
test
and
Also
Serve
Safe
alcohol,
so
they'll
have
their
accreditations
that
are
necessary
to
serve
safely.
B
So
Rob,
you
made
a
statement
that
you
were
really
there
to
answer
questions
about
what
we
are
providing.
That
is
my
boring
Preamble
that
I
give
at
every
meeting
it's
supposed
to
be
about
the
facts
as
Jermaine
to
the
case
at
hand,
so
people's
opinions,
if
they
want
to
call
people
names
stuff
like
that,
that's
not
that's
not
for
us
to
consider.
What
we're
here
to
consider
is
questions
about
what
you're,
providing
and,
as
I
understand.
This
Martha
gave
a
good
kind
of
background
here,
but
I'm
trying
to
think
of
something
similar
I
know.
B
There's
like
chat,
Noir,
Cafe
and
Sherman
Hill
you
go
in
there'll,
be
guest
chefs
or
something
that
come
into
the
chat.
They
you
pay
to
have
a
fancy
meal
and
certainly
the
fancier
the
meal,
the
nicer
the
wine
should
be
so
they
have
a
liquor
license
or
they
do
whatever
for
that.
But
it's
centered
around
the
food
and
the
event,
generally
speaking,
is
that
a
a
good
chunk
of
what
your
business
model
is
going
to
be.
Yes,.
L
B
Still,
that's
gonna
be
my
next
question.
If
you
had
been
open
when
I
turned
50
I
might
have
said,
hey
I
want
to
have
a
party
for
just
maybe
gosh
a
couple
dozen
of
my
friends.
Maybe
we're
gonna
cater
in
some
food
from
somebody
else,
but
oh
the
liquor
would
be
through
you.
So
if
it's
a
small
event
of
somebody,
you
know
reception
party
anniversary,
you
would
host
that
as
well,
then
potentially
correct.
Okay,
yes,.
L
L
L
B
B
And
to
make
this
not
not
that
we
get
into
the
finance
here,
but
to
make
your
business
model
work,
you're,
probably
going
to
want
to
have
events
more
than
just
a
Friday
Saturday
correct,
absolutely
so
you're,
probably
gonna,
like
weekday
events,
are
probably
going
to
be
a
dinner
thing
or
a
corporate
little
reception
thing,
or
something
like
that
right.
Absolutely.
L
L
B
Okay,
I
got
you
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
for
the
clarification,
any
questions.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
both
okay,
so
for
this
next
part
of
the
hearing,
anybody
here
to
speak
in
support
of
the
applicant's
request,
we
start
with
support
anybody
in
support.
Seeing
none
is
there
anybody
here
in
opposition,
you
can
democratically
decide
who
goes
first.
Usually
it's
ladies.
B
O
I
have
lived
in
that
at
12,
16,
41st
Street
for
27
years
and
in
that
27
years
the
parking
lot.
We
have
had
to
call
the
police
numerous
times
for
gang
activity,
shootings
and
noise.
We
have
seen
women
beaten
in
that
parking
lot
at
two
and
three
in
the
morning.
It
it
is
a
dangerous
sight.
It
has
been
a
big
problem
and
we
have
called
the
police
many
many
times
over
those
incidents
as
well
as
excessive
noise.
O
O
O
O
When
we
first
heard
about
the
new
project,
that's
going
into
the
former
Godfathers,
we
were
told
it
would
be
an
industrial
kitchen
where
people
could
prepare
food,
such
as
people
who
have
food
trucks
and
are
not
do
not
have
a
suitable
kitchen
that
wasn't
too
much
of
a
concern.
We
were
worried
that
the
trucks
that
would
be
going
right
back
behind
our
back
door
might
be
noisy
and
we've
had
problems
with
that
in
the
past
in
the
early
week
morning
hours,
but
the
lick.
O
O
O
B
I
Foreign,
my
name
is
Michael
Adams
and
I
live
at
12
34
41st
Street
in
Des,
Moines
I've
lived
there
for
22
years
and
I
walked
my
for
the
past
10
years.
At
least
I've
walked
my
dog
every
night
at
nine
o'clock,
so
I'm
very
conversant
with
that
alley
and
that
parking
lot
and
the
and
and
the
neighborhood
I'm
here
today
to
express
some
concerns
about
the
potential
for
disrupting
the
peaceful
nature
of
that
neighborhood
by
Moxie's
current
business
model.
I
I
So
all
those
names
you
saw
on
the
petition
were
from
you
know,
neighbors
in
in
that
section
of
the
of
the
street
on
41st
Street
I
want
to
say
that
at
least
90
percent,
if
not
more-
of
those
neighbors
or
homeowners.
So
it's
not
there's
not
a
whole
bunch
of
rental
property.
I
know
there's
one
there
on
the
neighborhood
for
the
most
part
near
Forest,
but
that
parking
lot
if
you
have
a
10
p.m.
I
You
know
closing
time
for
distribution
and
sale
of
alcohol.
It's
going
to
spill
over
into
that
parking
lot.
You
know
guaranteed.
You
know
if
the
party
started
there
and
ends
at
10
p.m.
As
far
as
Moxie
is
concerned,
then
it's
going
to
spill
over
into
that
parking
lot
and
then,
who
knows
how
long
better
she's
going
to
be
and
then
the
weekends
it's
going
to
be
even
longer
so
I'm
here
and
several
of
my
neighbors
are
here,
I
think
to
express
some
opposition
to
this.
I
Unfortunately,
you
know,
there's
already
been
a
large
investment
in
this
property
and
I
have
a
sense
that
you
know
it
might
be
happening,
but
it's
I
think
it's
important
to
express
some
concern
now
and
go
on
some
record.
So
if
we
do
have
some
issues
sometime
in
the
future,
you
know
at
least
we've
we've
come
before.
You
know
Sydney
entity
and
express
those
concerns.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
listening.
Thank
you,
sir.
P
Gary
probstein
12
25
41st
I've
only
been
there
31
years.
I
did
raise
two
children
there
they've
both
moved
away
and
and
are
living
their
own
lives.
I'm
I've
jotted
down
four
concerns.
One
is
grease:
trap
clean
out
when
there's
a
restaurant.
A
few
years
back,
the
city
passed
an
ordinance
requiring
a
grease
trap.
I'm
familiar
with
that.
The
grease
trap
clean
out
at
Louie's
I
think
takes
place
at
5
a.m.
P
Not
only
is
it
a
noisy
Endeavor,
but
it
does
present
an
odor,
a
strong,
odor
and-
and
you
know,
there's
there's
no
housing
by
where
that
grease
truck
is
parked
for
the
for
this
operation.
The
grease
truck
would
be
parked
in
that
parking
lot
and
I'm
sure
there
are
several
neighbors
that
would
would
notice
that
I'm
wondering
about
the
occupancy
Allowed
by
fire
code.
P
P
P
We
closed
five
minutes
ago,
there's
the
door
one
of
my
Facebook
groups,
I
just
read
an
issue
where
someone
said
their
restaurant
closes
at
8
30.,
someone
two
people
came
in
at
eight
said
we're
party
at
six,
two
more
came
in
and
they
told
them
the
closing
time
throughout
the
whole
story
make
the
whole
story
short.
Those
people
were
there
till
10
30,
even
after
their
table,
had
been
cleared
off
with
a
server
standing
there
just
staring
at
them,
so
no
people
don't
leave
at
closing
time.
P
C
C
C
You
can
call
it
whatever
you
want,
but
if
people
are
in
there
drinking
till
midnight
it's
going
to
disrupt
our
neighborhood,
we
have
a
really
great
neighborhood,
our
neighbors.
We
get
along
with
everybody.
We
know
everybody.
We
have
a
party
every
year
we
block
off
the
street
and
there's
no
alcohol,
but
anyhow
we
block
off
the
street.
We
really
get
to
know
each
other,
it's
a
quiet,
neighborhood,
it's
full
of
beautiful
houses,
and
this
is
going
to
disrupt
it.
C
C
The
I
had
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
attended
the
meeting
for
the
residents
and
we
were
told
that
the
business
would
be
done
at
eight
o'clock.
It
would
be
closed.
No
problem
there'd
be
no
reason
to
to
make
any
argument
against
it,
because
I
believe
this
Mr
Jackson
is
his
name
told
me.
Eight
o'clock,
no
problem.
C
C
My
wife
mentioned
the
problems
with
the
parking
lot.
It's
been
unbelievable
and
as
far
as
not
having
the
police
call,
the
police
have
been
called
to
that
neighborhood
many
many
times.
It's
a
constant
problem,
and
it's
obvious
to
me
that
none
of
the
staff
live
in
our
neighborhood.
It's
just
I
mean
we're
really
close.
We
really
love
it.
We
have
beautiful
homes,
we
put
a
lot
of
time
and
money
in
it
and
we
don't
want
it
ruined
by
a
bar.
Thank
you
very
much.
Q
Q
Q
If
it's
below
30
35
miles
an
hour,
those
trucks
moving
through
that
alley
could
be
88
decibels,
which
is
you
know
the
equivalent
of
a
a
lawn
mower
early
in
the
morning.
That's
pretty
pretty
abrupt
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
hours
on
the
late
into
the
evening
and
I
can
understand
understand
from
a
business
operational
model.
Q
You
know
why
Friday
and
Saturday
one
would
want
to
go
to
midnight
concerned
that
that's
that's
pretty
late
relative
to
the
neighborhood
and
those
residential
functions
that
are
happening
immediately,
adjacent
also
kind
of
relative
to
what's
going
on.
You
know
if
folks
are
kind
of
ushered
out
at
midnight.
What
what
happens?
There's
nothing
else,
that's
open!
If
folks
are
going
to
continue
conversations,
you
know
50
feet
away
from
somebody's
bedroom.
Q
Q
I
understand
that
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
liquor,
license
standpoint
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
helps
those
issues
that
I
just
mentioned
I
can
foresee
some
other
issues
that
could
go
along
with
with
the
liquor
license
and
the
consumption
of
alcohol
on
the
on
the
property.
But
we
have
some
of
those
across
the
street
with
Louie's
Wine
Dive,
it's
separated
by
a
pretty
busy
street,
but
just
to
kind
of
wrap
that
back
up
by
my
real
concerns
or
my
biggest
concerns
are
hours
of
operation
and
and
the
noise
that's
generated.
Q
M
A
M
B
Q
Q
Q
B
B
Q
B
B
All
right,
I
just
wanted
to
verify
that,
because,
as
a
commercial
District,
if
somebody
wanted
to
have
a
donut
shop
there
with
a
grease
trap
and
with
trucks
delivered
and
with
garbage,
picked
up,
it's
a
commercial
District.
We
don't
have
any
oversight
over
that.
There's
going
to
be
a
little
noise
in
a
commercial
District
once
in
a
while
from
commercial
activities,
but
as
you're
concerned
again,
the
hours
of
operation
related
to
then
the
liquor
that
goes
with
those
hours.
Q
Right:
okay,
right,
the
liquor
that
goes
with
those
hours
and
then
how
that's
mitigated:
okay,
people
who've
been
consuming
alcohol
or
have
been
known
that
I
have
the
best
judgment.
Okay,
so
I
I
mean
to
your
point
about
the
ambient
noise
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
minimize
that
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
anticipating
I'm,
going
to
be
in
an
Open
Meadow
somewhere,
but
okay
relative
to
the
rest
of
the
ambient
noise.
There
are
some
real
problems:
okay,.
B
F
F
F
F
A
F
F
This
zoning
has
no
limitations
on
hours
of
operation,
so
you
would
have
no
conditions
regulating
the
hours
of
operation.
Now
they
would
have
to
comply
with
our
sound
ordinances,
just
like
any
other
business
right
would
have
to
do
so.
From
that
standpoint,
we
would
still
have
enforceability
on
issues
with
sound,
but
the
I
guess
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
here
is
that
not
granting
the
conditional
use
would
actually
possibly
result
in
the
same
business
model
just
with
a
different
mechanism
for
how
the
liquor
is
sold
and
transferred
to
the
property.
F
So
I
think
the
board
has
more
control
on
hours
and
to
mitigate
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
brought
up
honestly
if
they
they
consider
it
as
a
conditional
use.
That's
also
more
enforceable
from
my
perspective
as
a
zoning
enforcement
officer
when
we
have
those
things
in
writing
and
when
we
review
the
liquor
licenses
against
those
standards
they're
much
easier
to
enforce.
When
we
do
have
problems
and,
as
you
know,
we've
brought
back
and
modified
those
things
or
revoked
those
things
when
we've
had
problems.
F
So
there
is
that
additional
power,
when
we
don't
have
a
conditional
use
you
really
this
there,
it's
going
to
be
much
harder
to
enforce
legally
honestly,
if
we
do
have
problems
so
I
do
want
to
point
that
out
and
then
the
last
thing
is:
please
disregard
any
mention
of
what
staff
where
they
live.
That
should
not
factor
into
your
decision.
Well,.
B
F
Site
plans
or
anything
change
of
use
for
the
building
yeah,
it's
triggering
both
a
certificate
of
occupancy
under
the
building
codes,
which
will
determine
the
occupancy
okay
of
the
building
yeah.
That's
not
anything!
That's
under
the
board's
purview.
We
understand
that
the
grease
Interceptor
is
going
to
be
required,
whether
there's
a
liquor
license
here
or
not.
So
that's
going
to
you
know,
truck
operations
are
going
to
be
the
same
yeah
the
site
is
plan
is
triggered
through
this
process
as
well
because
of
the
change
of
use
for
the
space.
F
So
by
going
to
a
catering
type
kitchen,
it
it's
actually
changing
the
way
the
building
code
looks
at
the
space
for
the
occupancy
of
the
space,
so
that
is
triggering
some
of
these
other
things.
I
know
that
the
concerns
there
are
concerns
around
some
of
those
other
types
of
reviews
that
the
city
will
do,
but
other
than
requiring
them
to
adhere
to
them.
I,
don't
think
the
board
has
a
lot
of
purview
to
to
really
yeah
adjust
that
so
yeah
and.
F
F
B
And
while
you're
here
or
treyoshi
could
help
with
this
too,
but
they
proposed
a
floor
plan
of
where
you
know
she
kept
saying
like
800
square
feet
about
is
our
service
area.
If
we're
inclined
to
approve
this,
if
we
would
be,
can
we
say,
hey
and
the
assembly
space
shall
be
limited
to
generally
what
was
shown
for
areas
or
percentages
of
use
of
the
floor
plan.
B
F
B
Okay
and
the
applicant
will
get
last
chance
to
comment
here,
but
the
hours
of
operation
that
staff
has
listed
I
think
shreyoshi
said
that
was
typical
of
some
other
operations
we've
approved
in
what
one
might
say
is
a
similar
situation,
but
that,
in
essence
like
the
speed
limit
is
70
on
the
road,
you
can
drive
60
if
you
want,
so
we
may
come
back
to
the
applicant
and
ask
a
little
bit,
but
the
hours
that
have
been
listed
by
staff
that
I
would
assume
is
kind
of
your
maximum.
You
would
support.
Is
that
correct.
F
Yeah,
that's
probably
consistent
with
how
we
view
previous
to
the
current
code
yeah.
This
was
in
an
NPC
District,
which
had
to
adhere
to
standards
of
a
zoning
that
it
replaced
called
C1
and
C1
did
have
hours
of
operation
limitations
that
ended
it
at
two
in
the
morning,
but
right
the
liquor
license
still
is
going
to
have
a
maximum
on
when
that
can
when
service
can
occur.
So
even
though,
theoretically
in
this
zoning,
you
can
operate
24
hours,
the
liquor
sales
is
still
subject
to
the
liquor
license
that
the
state
will
issue.
B
L
Certainly
so,
to
clarify
a
few
things
regarding
hours.
I
know
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
confusion
and
discussion
about
that,
so
the
catering
portion,
which
is
three
kitchens,
so
three
potential
tenants,
can
use
it
at
once
and
I
own.
A
small
bakery
and
I
am
a
sole
proprietor
and
I
am
in
my
kitchen
by
myself,
often
when
I'm
operating
and
most
of
our
tenants
will
be
as
well,
that
portion
tenants
will
have
24-hour
access
to
so
you're.
L
Looking
at
six
potential
bodies
using
ovens
stoves
indoors
at
you
know
the
potential
of
24
hours
a
day,
so
I
hope
that
that
allays
fears
and
concerns
there
in
relation
to
the
event
space.
What
we
had
proposed
is
that
events
have
to
end
by
11
with
a
cut
off
30
minutes
prior
to
the
hours
of
the
event.
N
N
N
I
welcome
anybody
who
is
on
this
list
or
any
of
you
to
relay
this.
My
name
is
Rob.
Jackson
I
will
leave
my
name
and
number
there
and
at
any
point
in
time.
Anybody
that's
on
this
list
or
anywhere
in
the
community,
can
get
a
hold
of
me
and
express
concerns
on
when
trash
pickup
is
when
the
grease
trap
is
getting
cleaned
out
our
hours
of
operation.
N
We
want
to
work
with
the
community,
so
I
encourage
any
issues
or
or
concerns
to
be
directly
addressed
to
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
resolve
those
at
any
point
in
time
and
I'd
also
like
to
make
mention
that
the
controls
are
already
put
in
place
by
the
staff
here
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
compliant.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
So
Martha
I
do
want
to
come
back
to
something.
This
is
very
important
for
everybody.
That's
here
so
staff
recommendation
is
approval,
subject
to
certain
conditions
and
they
have
under
condition
six
limiting
your
hours
of
operation
for
the
event
space
activities,
which
would
mean
guests
that
are
enjoying
the
party
or
whatever
that
Sunday
through
Thursday,
that
has
to
be
over
by
10
and
Friday
and
Saturday
has
to
be
over
by
midnight.
Are
you
saying
that
your
policy
would
be
shorter
hours
different
than
that.
B
L
B
So
not
to
put
you
on
the
plank
on
the
ship
here,
but
what,
if
we
said?
Well,
that's
nice
staff's
recommending
some
similar
things.
What
they've
similarly
seen,
but
maybe
on
Friday
and
Saturday
11
pm,
is
late
enough.
Absolutely
fine
with
us
if
we
put
that
in
as
a
condition.
Potentially
if
this
was
to
move
forward,
would
that
be
it
wouldn't
destroy
your
business
model.
L
B
A
K
K
K
What
I
think
a
lot
of
citizens
fail
to
realize
is
that
we
have
repercussions
if
they
overstep
their
bounds
and
we
can
make
their
life
miserable
and
I
think
that
we've
demonstrated
our
ability
to
do
that.
We're
not
afraid
to
do
that
so
and
I
and
I
would
say
that
these
two
applicants
seem
to
be
very
serious
and
they've
got
a
pretty
good
handle
on.
What's
going
on,
they've
made
themselves
available
to
you
as
a
neighbor.
If
you
have
any
concerns,
I
don't
see,
any
I
have
be
willing
to
bet
a
lot
of
money.
K
There's
not
going
to
be
any
tailgating
in
this
parking
lot
after
hours.
There's
no
reason
to
be
in
the
parking
lot
and
to
get
in
and
out
of
your
car,
because
it's
not
even
adjacent
to
the
entrance
to
this
building
is
that
right,
so
I
think
we've
got
somebody
here.
That's
looking
to
spend
a
lot
of
money.
They're
gonna
fix
up
this
whole
area,
you're
on
a
major
Corridor.
You've
been
there
for
some
of
you
over
30
years.
K
We've
got
a
great
Community
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
I
think
this
is
going
to
have
offer
some
tremendous
opportunities
to
some
people
that
otherwise
might
not
have
those,
and
some
businesses
could
get
born
out
of
this
that
are
going
to
go
somewhere
else
in
our
community,
so
I
think
staff
has
covered
this
very
well.
We've
already
understand
that
we
can
alter
the
hours
to
11,
pm
and
I.
Think
it's
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
great
project.
K
One's
got
two
restaurants,
I,
don't
care
who
holds
the
liquor
license
this
isn't
a
bar
there's,
not
gonna,
be
people
wandering
from
Louise
saying
hey?
Can
we
go
in
here
and
have
a
cocktail
so
I
I
think
cities
down
there
their
due
diligence
I
think
these
two
owners
have
got
a
really
good
handle
on
what
they
want
to
accomplish
and
I
think
it
sounds
like
a
great
project.
E
E
E
On
the
other
hand,
it's
anticipated
that
there
will
be
some
noise
when
you
live
right
off
of
a
huge
thoroughfare
right.
So
you
know
on
our
board
here.
We
need
to
take
in
consideration
both
both
interests.
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
I
I
do
have
a
little
concern
about
the
the
hours
of
operation
on
the
weekends.
Quite
honestly,
you
know
Louise.
We
did
talk
about
that.
That's
part
of
the
discussion.
You
know,
they're
open,
I,
looked
at
their
website.
You
know
they're
open
till
10.
E
on
Fridays
and
Saturdays
they're,
only
open
at
nine
on
Mondays
Monday
through
Thursday
they're,
open
that
time
and
that's
even
across
the
street,
and
not
close
to
any
any
neighbor
Hood
people.
So
that
would
be
the
only
concern.
I
guess
I
would
raise,
and
maybe
that
could
be.
We
could
have
a
little
further
discussion.
It's
just
Fridays
and
Saturdays.
E
10
across
the
board
one
day
through
Sunday,
so
I'd
like
to
open
that
up
for
some
discussion
is
that
I
know
we're
talking
about
an
hour
here
and
I
know
that's
what
we're
talking
about
I'm
well
aware
of
that,
but
I
would
like
to
just
have
that
as
part
of
the
discussion
it
sounded
like
when
Godfathers
was
there,
they
weren't
open
past
10.
Right
now
we
have
Louise,
that's
that
is
a
restaurant
bar
and
that
is
not
open.
Past
10.
So
thank
you.
B
B
B
I
might
want
to
enjoy
that
a
little
longer
enjoying
it
till
midnight.
Well
again,
even
though
it's
a
commercial
District,
it
does
border
a
neighborhood.
The
parking
lot
does
border
the
neighborhood,
so
maybe
Midnight's
not
appropriate.
The
applicants
already
said:
hey
staff's,
recommending
midnight.
You
know
to
be
consistent
and
fairly
fair,
but
I'm.
Okay
with
11
on
a
weekend,
I
think
that's
pretty
fair.
You
know
if
you're
going
to
have
an
event
center
if
you've
got
to
close
too
early
well,
you're,
not
really
an
event
center.
B
You
know
if
I'm
going
to
go
to
an
evening
party
on
the
weekend.
You
know
if
you
they
kick
you
out
too
early.
It's
not
much
of
a
weekend
event
and
keep
in
mind.
This
is
a
small
location.
This
is
not
a
big
thing
and
I'll
give
my
elevator
speech
I've
been
on
this
board
for
a
long
time.
This
is
like
a
high
schooler
that
gets
the
driver's
license.
I'm
dad
I
got
the
nice
Camaro.
You
can
take
it
out
on
Prom,
here's
the
rules
you
screw
up.
B
If
we
give
you
enough
rope
and
you
trip
yourselves
up,
do
you
think
you're
going
to
get
any
kind
of
I,
don't
know
which
apathy?
For
me?
Probably
not
so,
in
other
words,
the
onus
is
on
you.
If
we're
inclined
to
give
you
this,
you
better
be
careful
and
I've
had
some
bar
owners,
Tavern
owners,
other
places
that
have
remembered
when
I've
said
that,
because
they've
gotten
back
in
front
of
us
so
I
don't
want
you
back
in
the
principal's
office.
B
If
we're
inclined
to
give
you
some
latitude
to
be
a
local
business
entrepreneur
to
invest
in
this
building.
Part
of
me
sits
here
and
goes
well,
let's
just
close
all
the
businesses
in
the
building,
so
we
don't
have
dumpsters
and
we
don't
have
grease
traps.
We
don't
have
delivery
trucks
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
an
asset
for
the
neighborhood
around
42nd
and
University
I.
Don't
think
that
that
would
be
good.
It's
a
thriving
neighborhood
of
both
commercial
and
residential.
It's
fun!
I
go
to
the
Capri
and
watch
movies
in
high
school.
B
B
But
in
looking
at
that
again,
if
we're
inclined
to
improve
this,
there
are
checks
and
balances.
I
think
Dave
referenced
that
there's
a
list
of
more
than
a
dozen
here
you're
going
to
have
to
watch
your
p's
and
q's
to
make
this
work,
but
I'm
hopeful
you'll
be
able
to
do
it
because
your
model,
this
isn't
a
bar.
This
is
not
a
Tavern,
so
I
generally
be
okay
with
the
closing
by
11
on
the
weekends
myself.
R
Actually
agreeing
with
you
I'm
thinking,
11
for
Fridays
and
Saturdays.
If
the
time
thing
is
an
issue
because
10
or
10
o'clock
during
the
week
is
kind
of
common,
but
11
would
work
for
Fridays
and
Saturdays
I'm
the
same
way
if
I'm
going
someplace
and
you
got
to
be
home
before
10
or
it
closes
at
10,
then
that's
not
an
event
that
I
would
really
want
to
go
back
to,
but
I
I
think
11
o'clock
is
sufficient.
B
I
will
second,
that,
with
a
friendly
Amendment,
if
you're,
okay,
with
this
Dave
I'd
like
to
amend
item
one,
it
says
that
the
business
selling
alcohol
line
beer
will
operate.
Small
assembly
entertainment
within
an
area
of
approximately
you
know,
23.93
square
feet
of
the
existing
building
with
and
I'd
like
to
amend
that
with
the
assembly
area
being
limited
to
a
proportional
ratio
of
the
floor
space.
As
generally
shown
on
the
applicant's
floor
plan,
blah
blah
blah
does.
K
B
E
B
B
On
the
public
holidays
listed
as
well
as
an
amendment
to
item
one,
the
assembly
area
shall
be
proportional
to
what
shown
as
long
as
that's
clear
for
the
record,
all
those
in
favor
raise
your
right
hand
say
I
all
right
that
carries
five
to
zero,
so
you'll
get
a
copy
of
this
next
week.
When
you
get
ready
to
be
up
and
running,
I
would
suggest
an
open
house
and
invite
the
41st
42nd
neighbors
to
be
some
of
your
first
folks
to
see
your
your
place.
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
idea.
B
B
Those
of
you
who
were
here
last
month
will
approve
minutes.
If
you
were
here
last
month,
any
concerns
with
the
minutes.
If
there
are
say
so.
If
none
would
there
be
a
motion
to
approve
Marla
says
yes
pin,
says
second
I'm
gonna
jump
in
all
is
in
favor
here
last
month,
say:
aye
motion
carries
five
zero.
Do
we
have
any
other
business
seeing
none?
This
hearing
is
adjourned.