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A
A
It's
been
moved
any
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
opposed
item
passes
item
three
is
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
release
mortgage
and
related
security
instruments
pursuant
to
the
5-h,
affordable
home
ownership
program.
For
the
following,
a
is
deanna
l
carter
at
37,
12
37
street
board
communication.
Number
13-436
b
is
kimberly
a
ross
known
as
kimberly.
A
tenborg
of
2950
state
avenue
board
communication
number
13-439
c
is
lyla
j
4118
southeast
12th
street
board
communication
number
13-437.
C
People
have
successful
and
cooperated
and
going
to
now
get
their
forgivable
loan
and
it's
great
to
see
that
happen.
A
D
D
E
E
A
A
F
F
Thank
you
for
your
presence
during
the
bright
and
sunny
days
for
then
we
can
share
what
we
have
with
those
who
have
less,
and
thank
you
for
your
presence
during
the
holy
days.
For
then,
we
are
able
to
celebrate
with
you
and
our
family
and
our
friends
for
those
who
have
no
voice.
We
ask
you
to
speak
for
those
who
feel
unworthy.
We
ask
you
to
pour
out
your
love
in
waterfalls
of
tenderness.
F
For
those
who
live
in
pain,
we
ask
you
to
bathe
them
in
the
river
of
your
healing.
For
those
who
are
lonely,
we
ask
you
to
keep
them
company
for
those
who
are
depressed.
We
ask
you
to
shower
upon
them
the
light
of
hope.
Dear
creator,
you,
the
borderless
sea
of
substance.
We
ask
you
to
give
us
all
the
world
that
we
need
the
most,
that
that
we
need
the
most
peace.
F
A
B
A
Item
two
is
approving
the
agenda
as
presented
and
or
as
amended
council
member
meyers
asked
item
43i
to
be
moved
up
to
just
after
the
consent
agenda.
Does
anybody
have
any
problems
with
that?
If
not,
could
we
have
a
motion
to
improve
all
right?
All
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
opposed
item
passes
item
three's,
approving
the
consent
agenda,
and
tonight
those
items
are
three
through
39.
A
A
A
I
needed
to
say
yes
rather
than
no
okay.
So,
having
said
that,
does
anybody
have
any
items
three
through
39
that
they
would
like
to
have
hold
for
further
discussion.
G
A
It's
been
moved
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
opposed
item
passes
unanimously,
takes
us
to
item
11.
H
Thank
you
mayor
throughout
the
meetings
in
laurel
hill
area
about
the
the
potential
street
closures.
One
thing
that
seemed
to
come
to
the
top
at
every
meeting
was
the
flooding
at
east
30th
street
in
dean
under
heavy
rain
conditions.
I
have
been
down
there
to
observe
it.
If
you
don't
have
a
tall
4x4,
you
cannot
go
east
on
dean
from
east
30th
street.
E
I
I
B
As
the
council
will
recall,
we
had
a
presentation
on
this
by
david
dunn,
it's
been
probably
a
month
or
so
ago.
It
was
an
excellent
presentation,
but
it
clearly
underscored
the
issues
with
the
new
qap,
that's
coming
out
from
iowa
finance
authority
and
what
that
will
do
in
effect-
and
this
is
in
the
letter.
But
my
concern
is
is
that
we
need
to
maybe
even
strengthen
the
language
and
be
more
directive
in
that
the
impact
of
caps
in
the
city
of
des
moines
on
this
type
of
housing.
B
We
all
know
that
we
have
a
difficult
time
getting
the
projects
and
neighborhoods,
and
if
the
quality
of
the
building
goes
down,
that's
going
to
be
problematic
for
us
in
the
long
run.
So
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
emphasize
that.
Secondly,
cities
no
longer
have
the
same
amount
of
input
that
we
have
had
previously.
B
B
We've
had
discussions
at
this
table
that
they
should
not
just
be
located
in
des
moines,
but
they
should
be
located
throughout
the
region,
but
one
of
the
issues
we
have
is,
for
example,
if
they
wanted
to
do
a
tax
credit
project
in
pleasant
hill.
The
market
study
would
have
to
include
the
eastern
side
of
des
moines,
the
fairgrounds
neighborhood
and
those
are
two
completely
different
areas.
B
So
I
would
just
based
upon
those
comments
refer
that
back
to
the
city,
manager
and
community
development
for
incorporating
those
and
maybe
a
little
bit
more
streamlined
version.
But
just
emphasizing
those
as
well-
and
I
don't
know
mayor
if
you're
going
to
be
there
to
respond
at
the
public
input
meeting
or
not.
But.
A
J
Mr
mayor
council,
members
we'd
be
happy
to
incorporate
those
comments.
I
think
they're
all
right
on
point.
It
would
be
terrific
if
the
mayor
would
be
able
to
attend
that
meeting
and
make
comments.
This
is
a
vitally
important
issue
for
the
city
for
a
whole
lot
of
reasons,
and
I
think
your
comments
are
very
constructive
and
hopefully
will
pay
attention
to
those.
So
we'll
do
our
best
to
follow
through,
as
you
can
see,
thank.
K
A
All
right
that
completes
the
consent
agenda
that
takes
us
to
43.
I
council,
member
meyer,
asked
this
to
be
moved
forward
and
it's
from
council
member
meyer
to
speak
regarding
a
letter
received
from
variety
the
children's
charity
of
iowa
regarding
the
naming
of
a
proposed
new
playground
to
be
built
by
variety
at
ewing
park,
councilmember
meyer.
L
Thank
you
mayor,
and
I
know,
there's
some
people
in
the
audience
here
tonight
that
will
want
to
speak
on
this.
This
is
a
great
project
undertaken
by
susan
and
brenna,
who
are
in
the
audience
it's
an
opportunity
for
variety
to
get
involved
in
building
a
playground
over
over
at
ewing
park
and
the
the
the
the
reason
for
the
playground
and
it's
a
great
idea.
L
It's
one
of
the
best
things
that
I've
been
involved
with
since
I've
been
on
the
council
is
to
create
an
all-inclusive
playground
that
that
is
available
to
all
children,
including
children
with
disabilities
and
the
ability
to
play
with
other
kids
and
work
that
work
that
magic
that
these
playgrounds
have,
and
so
the
motion
tonight
will
be
to
refer
for
naming
rights.
They
want
to
name
it
after
ashley
oakland,
but
I
think,
if
you
guys,
wanna
are
gonna,
come
up
and
speak.
L
M
Well,
thank
you,
council
for
inviting
us
to
come
tonight.
As
brian
mentioned,
we've
been
working
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
on
the
planning
for
the
ashley
oakland
star
playground,
which
is
what
we're
proposing
for
the
name
of
the
playground.
M
Variety.
The
children's
charity
would
essentially
be
the
fundraising
unit
for
this
playground,
it's
about
a
half
million
dollar
project
and
we
are
looking
forward
to
getting
started
getting
started.
We
have
already
the
history
behind.
This
is
ashley.
Oakland
was
very
involved
not
only
with
variety.
The
children's
charity,
but
with
several
children's
organizations
and
this
park
would
be
one
of
a
kind
for
the
city
of
des
moines
and
we're
happy
to
be
a
part
of
it.
L
So
the
motion
tonight
will
be
to
refer
to
the
city
manager's
office,
for
the
naming
rights
to
be
forwarded
on
to
the
appropriate
boards
and
commissions.
So
I'll
move
43i.
A
All
right
that
takes
us
back
to
our
ordinances.
Second
consideration:
this
one
item
number
40
on
the
vacation
of
three
segments
of
street
right
of
way
for
railroad,
crossing
closures
at
hull
avenue,
scott
avenue
and
southeast
34th
street
crossings.
Council
communication
number
13-444,
mr
manager.
I
think
that
we
are
going
to
have
some
staff
updates
on.
J
This
issue.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
council
members.
This
has
been
on
your
agenda
before
obviously
phil
delafield
and
his
staff
have
put
together
a
very
short
presentation
with
your
patients.
I'd
like
to
have
phil
kind
of
walk
through
that
information,
for
you.
N
Thank
you
rick
good
evening,
mayor
council,
phil,
delafield,
community
development
department
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
this
brief
opportunity
to
run
through
a
few
points
that
I
think
are
important
to
for
consideration
this
evening.
Are
we
up
diane?
Thank
you.
N
Just
by
way
of
background
city,
council
has
asked
the
staff
to
provide
an
objective
analysis
of
the
process,
the
the
proposal
and
the
materials
that
have
been
sent
to
you
for
consideration.
This
is
to
give
a
an
overview
of
the
the
the
advantages
or
the
benefits
that
may
or
may
not
accrue
from
this
proposal.
N
We
are
not
here
to
advocate
for
any
one
party,
but
we
are
here
to
give
you
what
we
view
from
your
staff
perspective
is
the
best
opportunity,
the
best
proposal
for
this
as
it
moves
forward
and
we've
strived
in
all
instances
to
balance
the
community
needs
the
business
the
neighborhood
rail
and
city
needs.
So,
as
we
go
forward
I'll
just
run
through
that,
as
you
recall,
we've
had
a
lot
of
meetings
on
this.
There's
been
a
lot
of
effort
expended.
They
started
with
neighborhood.
N
It
started
with
a
request
from
the
city
council
to
take
a
look
at
the
issues
associated
with
rail
and
traffic
delays
at
the
city,
we've
had
a
series
of
neighborhood
meetings,
council
workshops,
we've
had
one
prior
council
meeting
and
the
project
has
evolved
each
and
every
time
tonight,
you'll
hear
our
summary
of
the
analysis.
O
N
This
this,
this
is
going
to
break
it
down
into
the
sort
of
the
three
parts,
the
the
issue,
the
proposal
and
the
result
so
very
early
on.
We
had
the
the
requests
to
evaluate
the
delays
at
the
closing
at
the
crossings
throughout
the
city,
and
we
had
a
proposal
from
the.
U
p
that
would
look
at
hull
avenue,
southeast
34th
street
closures.
We
would
look
at
the
short
line
yard
power
switches.
N
And
then
also
with
the
advanced
warning
systems
that
were
being
proposed,
the
ability
of
drivers
to
reroute.
So
here
you
see
the
map
again
of
where
those
warning
signals
would
be
proposed.
There
were
early
warning
signs
on
east
university
to
warn
of
the
hubble
crossing
blockage
and
the
ability
to
reroute.
Accordingly,
also
the
hull,
avenue
guthrie
warning
signals.
N
N
Then
the
issues
in
the
southeast
area
there's
the
the
access
and
traffic
issues
for
laurel
hill
area
and
one
of
the
earliest
proposals
was
to
close
southeast
36th
street.
That
has
since
been
revised
to
remove
the
crossing
at
southeast
36th
street
and
we
have
now
negotiated
towards
a
paved
access
road
that
is
available,
24
7
365
days
a
year.
This
is
an
improvement
over
the
the
proposal
that
was
more
of
a
temporary
emergency
road
that
would
actually
occur
on
the
rail
right
away
and
would
only
be
open
during
flood
events.
N
Laurel
hill
road
would
also
be
paved
from
southeast
34th
to
southeast
36th
and
east
30th
and
dean.
Turning
lane
improvements
would
be
installed
through
these
negotiations.
We
we
believe
that
the
north-south
access
is
maintained
in
the
laurel
hill
area
and
you
have
better
traffic
flow
at
east,
30th
and
dean.
N
The
access
and
traffic
in
the
whole
avenue
area
we
have
a
proposal
to
lengthen
the
east
euclid
turning
lane
at
dixon
and
install
turning
arrows,
widen.
Dixon
and
hall
have
avenue
intersections
to
allow
for
better
truck
movement
and
widen
hull
avenue
again
to
help
with
the
truck
movement,
dixon
and
hall
are
able
to
better
handle
the
additional
truck
traffic
and
better
traffic
flow
at
east.
Euclid
and
dixon
are
the
results
of
these
proposals.
N
It's
important,
I
think,
at
this
point
to
to
note
you
know,
to
to
focus
on
the
idea
that
this
industrial
area
has
an
opportunity
here.
It's
it's
a
nexus
of
sorts,
it's
rail
highway
and
traffic
nexus,
and
the
traffic
improvements
here
allow
for
this
improved
flow
throughout
it's
important
to
maintain
access
for
the
for
the
industry
in
this
area.
E
N
Is
the
quality
of
life
issues
that
the
whole
neighborhood
association
has
raised?
We
think
that
the
proposal
to
install
a
sidewalk
along
delaware,
from
hull
avenue
to
morton
avenue
and
the
hull
avenue
pavement
overlay
improves
conditions
dramatically
there,
along
with
street
trees
along
east
30,
east
24th,
to
I-235
this
improved
connectivity
from
morton
avenue
to
the
adjoining
neighborhood.
This
improves
connectivity
to
the
to
the
school
at
garten
elementary
and
the
adjoining
neighborhoods.
N
This
is
the
foundation
for
growth
in
the
northeast
industrial
area.
Without
these
jobs
and
these
improvements,
the
whole
community
suffers.
We
believe
that
this
is
a
reasonable
approach.
These
are
a
few
of
the
example:
businesses
that
we're
talking
about
20
rail
support
companies,
3
400
jobs,
again
5.
51
million
in
taxable
valuation
and
2.9
annual
taxes,
and
this
is
the
industrial
area,
nearly
1300
areas,
over
8
million
square
feet
of
industrial
buildings,
247
separate
parcels
with
247
million
dollars
in
total
assessed
value.
N
L
N
The
most
environmentally
friendly
and
fuel
efficient
mode
of
freight
available
at
this
time
it
minimizes
truck
traffic
on
the
streets
that
are
tax
payers,
supported
in
des
moines,
the
short
line
rail
yards,
six
thousand,
a
truck
truck
loads
of
goods
off
of
the
local
roads
per
day,
and
these
also
reduce
emissions
and
street
maintenance
that
the
taxpayers
pay
for
safety
is
an
important
consideration.
In
iowa,
there
have
been
24
rail
crossing
accidents
so
far,
43
in
2012
this
and
41
in
2011..
N
Again,
the
the
proposal
is
to
reduce
the
number
of
crossings
and
reduce
the
number
of
opportunities
for
accidents.
The
effort
doesn't
stop
here.
There
are
also
opportunities
that
are
in
the
future.
The
northeast
des
moines
bicycle
pedestrian
corridor
feasibility
study
is
one
such
opportunity.
This
proposal
examines
the
existing
demographics
and
land
uses
and
connectivity
in
northeast
des
moines.
N
We
hope
to
identify
potential,
alternative
mode
connections
between
the
gayley,
wilson
trail
and
downtown
urban
core,
also
to
study
the
feasibility
of
on
and
off
street
bicycle
and
pedestrian
facilities,
including
rails
with
trails
corridors
along
the
up
line.
There
are
others,
the
northeast
bicycle
pedestrian
quarter.
Feasibility
also
hopes
to
look
at
the
iowa
clean
air
attainment
program.
This
is
a
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollar
study
with
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
icap
grant
that
can
be
requested.
N
The
planning
effort
that
we're
talking
about
is
the
best
practices
study
with
the
railroad
and
community
interface,
these
hope
to
identify
additional
best
practices
and
potential
applicability
between
ba
to
balance
automobile
bicycle
rail
truck
and
pedestrian
mobility.
N
E
N
Into
this,
to
take
information
from
those
two
studies,
as
well
as
information
from
the
rail
report
study
to
help
us
increase
the
feasibility
of
rail
in
the
community,
industrial,
rail
ownership
and
usage
analysis,
freight
impediment
and
infrastructure
analysis.
N
These
three
studies
lay
the
foundation
for
grants
and
additional
improvements
in
the
area
and,
in
summary,
this
project
represents
a
2.1
million
dollar
investment
in
public
infrastructure
with
another
750
000
investment
in
power
grade
switches
by
the
up,
and
it
supports
over
3
400
existing
jobs
and
lays
the
foundation
for
future
growth.
We
believe
it
strengthens
the
tax
base
and
supports
the
environment
safety,
and
it
has
an
ongoing
work
program
that
continues
into
the
future
to
find
other
opportunities
for
improvement
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
welcome
any
questions.
A
All
right,
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
open
up
our
our
hearing.
I'm
sure
there
are
those
of
you
out
there
who
would
like
to
speak.
I
would
go
ahead.
I
think-
and
I
think
we
individual
here
from
union
pacific.
A
A
Okay!
So
let's
figure
everybody
will
get.
You
know
like
three
minutes
minus
we
try
to
stay
in
there.
We
look
forward
as
always
to
our
citizen
comments
and
and
input
whatever.
It
is
that
you
have
what
we
would
ask
as
we
not
hear
repetition
but
concerns
and
and
maybe
help
us
as
we
have
some
discussions
with
all
the
parties
on
what
some
solutions
might
be
and
how
we
might
try
to
approach
them.
But
let's
go
ahead
and
start
give
us
your
name
and
address.
Sir.
Q
The
plan
addresses
city
and
east
side
concerns
about
traffic
delays.
Up
is
installing
nine
power
operated
switches
on
the
west
end
of
shoreline
yard
to
reduce
delays
at
the
public
crossings
during
train
movements
in
and
out
of
the
yard.
This
installation
will
remove
the
amount
of
delay
at
the
crossings
between
easton
and
dean
by
approximately
conservatively
25,
with
greater
reduction
expected.
This
benefit
is
for
approximately
19
000
vehicles
a
day
in
the
travelers
that
corridor
by
closing
hull
avenue.
Q
Q
Closing
34,
steep
34th
street
provides
additional
capacity
to
handle
current
rail
traffic
for
the
des
moines
customers
during
community
meetings.
The
residents
of
southeast
side
pointed
out
flooding
issues,
thus
resulting
in
access
improvements
using
the
35th
street
for
emergency
access
roadway,
which
will
be
open
continuously,
the
installation
of
new
crossing
surface
at
36th
street
and
the
relocation
of
the
lights
and
gates
from
34th
street
to
36th
the
asphalt
paving
of
laurel
hill
and
the
area
will
will
notice
the
reduction
of
train
horns
due
to
the
34th
street
being
closed.
Q
The
two
closures
provide
enough
additional
rail
capacity
to
allow
des
moines
to
participate
in
for
future
expansion
of
existing
businesses
and
developing
of
new
industry,
keeping
the
door
open
to
rail
benefits
all
of
des
moines,
also
the
state
for
future
rail
service.
Good
rail
service
is
critical
for
communities
that
want
to
attract
new
business.
Q
Rail
is
the
most
economical
fuel,
efficient
and
least
polluting
of
all
transportation
modes
and
is
supported
with
private
funds.
Not
taxpayer
dollars
up
has
invested
15
million
dollars
in
the
des
moines
area.
In
the
last
few
years
of
improvements
union
pacific
take
thousands
of
well.
Six
thousand
trucks
is
pointed
out
off
the
local
roadways
every
day,
currently
we're
the
most
environmental.
Q
We
are
the
most
environmental,
environmentally
ability
to
transport
goods
within
the
united
states.
Iowa
communities
don't
have
enough
rail
service
and
are
spending
millions
of
dollars
to
build
rail
facilities.
Procedures
with
these
proceeding
with
these
closures
will
help
des
moines,
protect
and
improve
the
rail
infrastructure.
Q
It
will
also
address
long-standing
concern
about
traffic
delays.
On
the
east
side,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
need
for
broader
planning
to
address
the
infrastructure.
In
des
moines
up
is
a
hundred
percent
in
support
of
that
idea
and
looking
forward
to
planning
into
the
future
to
keep
des
moines
viable
to
attract
new
industry
and
the
ability
to
expand
its
facilities.
This
will
mean
jobs
for
now
and
adding
more
jobs
in
the
future.
Currently
up
is
in
the
process
of
hiring
30
employees
in
the
gp
facility.
Q
A
A
Any
questions,
thank
you
mike
all
right.
If
we
could
we'd
ask
that
folks
kind
of
who
additionally
want
to
speak,
maybe
if
you
could
sort
of
line
up
over
on
this
side
and
we
can
kind
of
keep
everybody
moving
along
and
is
you
come
up?
I
guess
we
have
one
speaker
right.
G
Please
I'm
john
thomas
president
of
fairmount
park,
neighborhood
association.
I
live
on
2658
boyd
street,
which
is
in
this
area.
I
asked
some
of
the
up
people
last
time
when
I
was
here
what
longevity
was
for
the
railroad
at
the
time
they
didn't
answer
the
questions.
I
wonder
if
they
got
any
answers
for
me
today.
G
A
All
right,
we
we'll
we're,
not
gonna,
have
a
debate
from
the
san
john,
but
I
think
we'll
we'll
register
that
maybe
we'll
have
them
respond
at
the
end.
If
they
want
to
make
comments
on
any
of
it,
but
longevity
of
the
railroad
would
be
one
we
want
them
dead.
Okay,.
G
Also,
I've
got
a
park
in
the
neighborhood
area
that
I'd
like
to
get
rebuilt.
Maybe
the
u.p
could
throw
some
money
in
an
adm
to
throw
some
money
in
to
help
get
that
going.
R
S
S
You
heard
earlier,
we
have,
you
know
several
million
dollars
worth
of
expansion
projects
on
the
table
right
now.
Those
are
just
within
the
facility
within
our
soybean
oil
refining
plant,
but
that's
also
connected
to
additional
rail
track
infrastructure
that
we
would
be
building
in
association
with
that.
So
if
the
roads,
you
know,
if
the
road
doesn't
close,
we
don't
build
the
rail.
We
don't
expand
the
oil
refinery,
so
so
those
kind
of
projects
are
linked
together.
S
So
continued
support
for
projects
like
this
that
are
thoroughly
and
holistically
developed
with
mid-term
and
long-term
impacts
in
mind,
we'll
continue
to
put
des
moines
iowa
at
the
forefront
of
the
most
desirable
communities
in
the
nation
from
a
business
and
living
perspective.
So
I
you
know.
I
also
heard
earlier
that
this
is
you
know,
a
balancing
of
automotive
and
truck
and
rail
traffic
concerns,
which
I
think
is
is
very
important.
S
You
know
the
the
road
infrastructure
improvements
need
to
happen
in
that
area,
for
you
know
for
the
increased
truck
traffic
and
the
increased
rail
traffic-
and
you
know
I
also
heard
about.
I
thought
it
was
a
great
way
to
say
that
that
this
develops
a
buffer
between
rail
and
industrial
zones
from
street
traffic
and
residential
areas,
and
I
you
know,
I
think,
it's
important
to
separate
rail
cars
and
trucks
wherever
we
can.
So
you
have
any
questions.
H
I
have
one
mayor
sure
jim
adm
currently
owns
land
north
and
south
of
whole
avenue
correct,
that's
correct!
If
we're
to
close
that
crossing.
Is
it
adm's
intent
to
try
and
purchase
that
section
of
whole
avenue.
S
Not
that
not
that
I
know
of
I
mean
there's
you
know
it's
something
that
we've
looked
at
with
the
up.
I
don't
have
the
map
with
me
tonight,
but
we've
talked
about
taking
a
track
out
that
crosses
the
road
right
there
and
and
redoing
that
to
straighten
it
off
and
get
straightening
out
and
getting
off
their
main
line
and
go
across
the
property
we
own
and
onto
the
existing
track
and
into
our
plant.
S
T
My
name's
don
curran,
I
have
a
2912
dean
avenue
and
I
have
to
write
this
down
because
I've
got
crs
union
pacific's,
not
telling
the
truth.
They
claim
that
the
rail
takes
trucks
off
the
streets.
Common
sense
says
that
is
not
true.
If
you
bring
more
product
to
the
city,
the
product
must
be
offloaded
to
more
trucks,
not
less
trucks.
That
means
more
trucks
will
be
using
the
city
streets.
True,
it
may
take
traffic
off
the
state
highways,
but
not
the
city
streets.
T
Right
now,
the
union
pacific
frequently
blocks
breaks
the
law
by
blocking
east
34th
street
four
hours
at
a
time.
If,
if,
if
it
were
a
person
blocking
the
street,
the
person
would
be
ticketed
and
if
it
happened
over
and
over
and
over
he'd,
probably
be
put
in
jail
union
pacific
thinks
closing
34th
street
is
the
solution
to
the
problem.
The
majority
of
people
do
not
agree
with
this
solution.
T
T
T
T
We
have
also
heard
about
kids,
who
live
on
the
east
side
of
the
tracks,
on
hall
avenue
and
on
the
west
side
of
all
avenue.
The
ones
on
the
east
side
go
to
school.
On
the
east
side,
the
ones
on
the
west
side
go
to
the
school
on
the
west
side.
What
about
the
kansas
valley,
valley
or
capitol
view
and
east
high
and
live
on
the
east
side
of
the
tracks?
T
Nothing
is
said
about
them.
Are
they
and
finally,
what
has
ever
happened
to
majority
rules?
The
majority
of
the
people
do
not
want
this.
You
got
eight
or
ten
people
like
the
union,
pacific
and
adm,
and
if
they
want
to
do
something,
let
them
put
their
resources
together
and
build
the
biodock
over
hall
avenue
and
build
it
over
dean,
avenue
and
34th
street,
and
I
got
one
other
thing
to
say:
if
you
permanently
close
the
street,
can
it
be
rigged,
be
open?
U
You
I'm
sharon
cooper
with
the
fairground
neighborhood
association
at
2838,
logan
avenue,
I'm
here
pleading
for
you
to
give
us
an
overpass
over
any
one
of
those
streets
hubble
to
dean.
U
U
Eventually
the
ambulance
got
to
him,
but
he
didn't
know
if
he
would
get
there
in
time
and
I'm
just
really
really
pleading
that
you
would
give
us
an
overpass
because
our
residents
are
getting
up
in
age
and
they
really
need
to
have
that
safety
net,
and
I
also
have
some
more
signatures.
I
have
94
more
that
I'd
like
on
record.
V
My
name
is
susie
forkner,
2924,
east
22nd
street.
I'm
opposed
to
this
christine
hensley.
You
were
upset
the
other
day
on
tv
that
grand
avenue
is
going
to
be
closed
until
november,
like
your
fellow
councilman,
mr
mahaffey,
so
it's
just
a
minor
inconvenience.
Well,
it's
not
a
minor
inconvenience
for
us,
it's
a
permanent
inconvenience
for
us.
V
I
don't
think
you
understand
that
mr
mahaffey,
it's
permanent
just
once
it's
done.
It's
done,
it'll
never
be
undone,
and
this
thing
about
the
kids
have
to
go
to
garten.
If
they
live
east
of
the
tracks,
if
they
have
to
go
to
cattell,
if
they
live
west
of
the
tracks,
there's
a
thing
called
open
enrollment
in
des
moines.
I
don't
know
you
guys
been
out
of
school
for
a
while.
V
So
I
don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
it's
open
enrollment,
my
grandkids
live
east
14th
in
tiffin
they
go
to
garten
and
goodwill,
so
my
daughter
has
to
bring
him
across
hull
avenue
every
day.
Now
it's
going
to
be
a
little
minor
inconvenience
permanently
to
have
to
go
down,
14th
to
euclid,
to
29th
up
and
back
and
forth
before
she
can
ever
go
to
work
and
she
works
at
east
33rd
in
easton,
it's
a
little
minor
inconvenience
for
all
of
you
people.
V
I
don't
know
that
any
of
you
have
gone
over
and
seen
any
of
the
areas
that
are
affected.
You
haven't
gone
to
any
of
the
neighborhood
meetings.
Mr
county,
mr
moore
have
gone
to
one
of
our
neighborhood
meetings.
I
haven't
seen
anybody
else
at
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
the
fairmont
neighborhood
to
come
can
be
concerned
about
it.
Even
take
questions,
ask
anything
you're
kind
of
like
you
are
right
now:
you're
ignoring
the
person.
That's
up
here,
talking
you're
down
looking
at
your
papers,
you
don't
really
care.
V
W
W
W
W
W
W
This
is
the
side
our
grass
is
never
known
and
down
in
here.
This
is
a
shovel
and
there's
all
kinds
of
workman's
stuff
thrown
in
here
and
nothing's
ever
really
bone
or
taken
care
of,
and
there's
no
steps
down
to
our
bike
path.
What
there
is
is
a
tiny
swatch
here,
that's
mowed
on
our
bridge
there
at
easton
and
the
grass
here
the
the
grasses
up
here
are
taller
than
I
am
so
I'm
sorry.
I
couldn't
get
a
pretty
view
of
the
of
the
creek
underneath
our
bridge.
W
We
have
rock,
we
don't
have
any
nice,
pretty
walls,
retaining
walls
made
out
of
anything
that's
attractive.
We
have
animals
crawling
in
and
out
of
this
stuff
by
the
way.
Okay,
then
caddy
corner
from
our
from
our
bridge.
Is
this
and
it's
been
sitting
there
with
the
tanks-
and
it
was
a
a
service
station
of
some
kind
of
a
little
store?
But
what's
really
fun
about
this
area
is
they're
really
thick
and
you
can't
really
get
a
good
picture
of
the
jagged
edges
of
the
glass.
W
That's
been
swept
to
the
side
that
sweep
all
the
way
out
to
the
sidewalk,
where
the
kids
cross
through
to
go
to
school
on
our
side
of
town
and
all
along
the
sidewalk
there.
The
the
glass
is
safety
glass,
so
it's
an
inch
and
a
half
or
so
thick,
and
if
you
fell
on
it,
if
you
were
pushed
on
it-
and
it's
been
this
way
for
two
years,
if
you
were
pushed
on
it,
this
glass
does
not
break
and
these
people
have
not
been
held
responsible
for
any
of
this.
W
W
All
we
want
is
an
overpass.
We
live
our
neighborhoods,
but
up
to
this,
your
neighborhoods,
many
of
you,
your
neighborhoods,
do
not
butt
up
against
this.
You
don't
see
this.
You
have
a
nice
bridge
with
a
lovely
thing,
with
finials
on
the
edges
of
your
bridges
over
your
creeks.
We
have
steel.
We
have
bars
that
look
like
people
came
from
prison
and
built
it.
That's
what
we
get
on
our
side
of
town.
W
W
X
Hello,
my
name
is
shreem
ortiz,
I'm
here
representing
keep
hall
avenue
open.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
just
go
over
a
few
basic
facts,
because
some
members
of
this
board
continue
to
deny
certain
facts.
Number
one
dead,
ending
streets
that
connect
neighborhoods
is
what
is
being
proposed
here,
and
that
is
now
what
urban
centers
should
be
doing
to
create
sustainable
neighborhoods
walkability
will
be
destroyed
because
the
detours
around
the
tracks
are
a
mile
in
each
direction.
X
Now
walkability
is
something
that
maybe
some
of
you
may
not
understand.
Mayor
county-
and
I
know
mr
moore
were
at
jeff.
Speck's
presentation,
connectedness
and
walkability
is
a
real,
real
sign
of
an
emerging
urban
center.
What
you're
doing
is
the
opposite:
by
proposing
to
dead-end,
neighborhoods
and
cut
us
off
hall
avenue
is
an
avenue
that
is
relied
upon
by
bicyclists
people
who
walk.
I
have
picked
up
people
with
their
strollers
and
their
babies
off
hall
avenue,
because
they're
trying
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
tracks
to
family
to
babysit.
X
It's
not
a
small
inconvenience
and
in
fact
it
will
impact
this
closure
will
impact
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
families.
It's
not
a
small
inconvenience
to
just
a
few
people,
mr
mahaffey,
allowing
union
pacific
to
be
winner,
take
all
and
not
insist
that
they
behave
like
a
contributing
member
to
the
community
sitting
at
the
table.
X
Working
out
win-win
solutions
and
paying
their
fair
share
is
a
poor
case
study
that
flies
in
the
face
of
good
urban
planning,
giving
away
public
space
to
big
business,
so
they
can
expand
their
capacity
and
profit
margins
is
another
futile
attempt
at
convincing
us
that
trickle-down
economics
works
as
we
hand
over
more
and
more
to
them.
What
do
we
get
in
return?
X
X
X
You
are
driving
down
the
sustainability
and
potential
for
for
people
in
our
neighborhoods,
and
you
are
cow
towing
to
business
as
usual
and
speaking
of
growth
as
we
as
a
city
fall
over
ourselves
with
enthusiastic
slaps
on
the
back
over
the
growth
and
development
of
east
village,
all
the
way
to
gateway
west
the
beautiful
floor
drive
what
happens
to
the
east
side
zero
planning
in
decades,
sophisticated
21st
century
urban
planners
would
throw
up
red
flags
and
designate
us
as
a
sacrifice
zone.
That's
what
you're
creating!
X
X
What
if
there
was
a
revenue
revenue
producing
overpass
with
an
observation
deck
looking
down
over
the
active
rail
yard
and
kids
and
their
families
could
watch
cars
being
loaded
and
coupled
in
engines
pushing
and
pulling
goods
what
other
businesses
and
people
might
that
attract?
Has
anyone
ever
asked
that
question
or
a
myriad
of
other
potentials?
X
Mrs
hensley,
you
did
publicly
to
cry
a
temporary
closing.
Perhaps
you
can
now
begin
to
understand
our
desperate
attempt
to
explain
how
this
plays
out.
Is
it
really
too
much
to
ask
step
back?
Don't
do
business
as
usual
create
a
great
case
study?
Let's
create
a
seamless
green
place
where
people
will
come
to
our
neighborhood.
X
Y
Z
I'm
cindy
raymond
from
the
laurel
hill
area.
You
know
over
the
meetings
we
have
discussed
an
awful
lot.
There's
been
a
lot
of
disagreements
on
you
know
what
can
happen.
What
should
happen?
I've
heard
the
remark
that
every
time
we
get
up
here
that
we
say
the
very
same
thing.
Well
mostly
it's
because
that's
exactly
how
we
see
it,
that's
exactly
how
our
neighborhood
sees
it,
and
you
know
you
can't
change
the
truth
of
that
area.
Z
Z
Now
I
was
a
little
late.
I
don't
know.
I
got
a
call
today
from
bob
mahaffey
and
I
thank
you
very
much
telling
me
that
there
was
a
somewhat
update
on
this
plan.
Z
Z
If
they
are
closed,
and
I
think
that
you
would
realize
that
if
those
changes
were
made
that
are
going
to
improve
the
traffic
flow
on
a
regular
basis
that
you
wouldn't
need
to
close
them,
I
think
that
it
would
make
a
big
big
difference
if
union
pacific
updates
their
yards
with
these
switches.
They're
talking
about
another
thing,
is
you
know,
they're
saying
that
it
will
make
the
trains
move
faster?
Z
Well,
I
can't
see
that
in
my
area,
because
there's
a
90
degree
turn
coming
from
the
yard-
that's
up
north
of
us
and
then,
as
you
go
through
my
neighborhood
there's
another
turn
that
is
very
sharp
there.
So
the
train
has
to
slow
down.
There
is
not
a
fast
train
through
my
neighborhood,
so
it's
not
going
to
improve
the
speed
of
the
trains.
Z
So
to
me
that
just
says
it's
being
done
to
be
done,
but
if
you
are
going
to
close
something,
why
close
it
when
even
in
what
is
it
2040,
only
60
percent
is
going
to
be
blocked.
40
percent
use
of
something
is
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
use.
There
is
no
way
that
you
can
justify
that
in
your
minds
to
take
100
percent
use
away
from
something
when
it
can
be
used,
a
good
percentage
of
the
time.
P
P
The
gentleman
who
first
spoke-
I
hoping
he
misspoke
when
he
said
the
road
at
dixon-
would
be
closed.
If
I
remember
correctly,
this
is
always
about
delaware.
Also,
I
questioned
19
000
trucks.
I
have
not
seen
19
000
trucks
in
that
area
on
talking
hall,
naturally,
within
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
traveling
over
the
very
rough
railroad
tracks
on
hall,
I
we
got
stopped
by
some
individuals
who
were
looking
like
they
were
going
to
repair
the
tracks.
P
P
P
When
I
left
the
last
city
council
meeting
two
weeks
ago,
I
happened
to
notice
a
train
crossing
gee.
There
was
no
horn,
so
they
can't
tell
me
that
they
blare
that
horn.
All
the
time.
There's
been
many
times
that
the
train
has
not
been
warning
traffic
or
people
that
they're
crowding
across
two
three
in
the
morning
they
like
to,
though
also
the
numbers
on
the
train
accidents.
I'm
very
curious,
they'll
seem
very
high.
P
P
P
I'm
old
enough,
I
hate
to
admit
it,
but
I
remember
a
baseball
field
on
hall
avenue
and
there's
kids,
who
need
that
to
go
to
the
those
what
small
neighborhood
parks
or
whatever-
and
you
know
the
kids
on
my
side
of
delaware,
who
go
to
garten,
are
really
really
going
to
be
missing
a
lot
they
play
after
school
at
garten,
there's
nothing
there,
even
a
small
little
grassy
area
would
be.
I
I
would
put
up
with
broken
windows
to
see
kids
play
baseball.
AA
AA
The
problem
with
any
kind
of
presentation
when
you're
taking
one
side
is
that
you
can
use
figures.
You
can
use
statistics,
you
can
paint
a
picture,
you
can
dream
a
dream,
but
the
reality
is.
You
cannot
control
what
the
future
has
and
that's
the
problem
with
the
presentation
it
was
done.
I
do
believe
the
city
should
look
into
the
possibility
develop
to
dividing
economic
development
from
community
development.
There
should
be
some
portion
of
the
city,
that's
advocating
for
citizens
rights
instead
of
having
one
department,
that's
advocating
only
seemingly
for
a
business
rights
here.
AA
One
of
the
mentions
was
is
the
fact
that
the
issues
of
safety
and
one
of
the
speakers
brought
up
that
issue
of
safety
and
said
well
what
safety,
what
problems
we
had
here
again,
it
was
a
false
promise.
If
you
reduce
crossings,
then
you
have
safety
and
by
keeping
the
safety
of
the
crossings,
open
you'll
have
a
safe
crossing,
I
mean
if
you
won't,
have
a
safe
crossing,
so
we
should
be
closing
these
crossings.
The
reality
is
you're
missing
one
point:
a
viaduct
over
a
crossing
provides
both
access
and
safety.
AA
Another
interesting
fact
I
found
was
the
the
number
of
trucks
that
would
be
pulled
off
the
road
by
rail
cars.
Okay,
you
may
have
less
congestion,
you
may
have
less
pollution,
but
you
also
have
a
number
of
these
trucks
who
come
into
our
city.
They
spend
money
on
on
restaurants.
AA
AA
AA
That's
that's
the
answer.
As
it
comes
down
to
final
analysis,
there
is
not
an
increase
in
what's
going
to
happen
to
it
to
benefit
the
residents.
We've
actually
had
a
dog
and
pony
show
of
why
this
is
going
to
improve
the
railroad
and
adm.
I
appreciated
mr
moore's
questions
about
what's
going
to
happen
to
hull
after
it's
closed,
does
adm
want.
It
has
a
long
period
of
silence
there.
AA
We
need
to
actually
set
this
whole
process
aside.
The
mayor
asked
a
number
of
times
in
these
hearings.
I
will
vote
for
this
now.
Until
I
can
see
some
improvements
see
what
they
can
come
must
be
brought
to
the
table.
Mr
mayor,
I
think
it's
time
for
you
to
vote.
No
they've
brought
nothing
new
to
the
table.
Thank
you.
A
I
guess
I
could
quickly
ask
if
u
p
wanted
to
respond
to.
There
were
a
couple
of
questions
early
on.
I
think
one
had
to
do
with
the
longevity
of
the
railroad.
I
think
that
john
asked
there
were
a
couple,
others
that
had
to
do
with
some
things
about
helping
out
with
some
parks-
and
I
think
maybe
also
some
statements
about
walkable,
green
neighborhoods
and
those
kinds
of
things.
Q
The
union
pacific's
been
in
the
this
community
through
other
railroads
and
through
other
names
of
railroads
for
151
years
they've
got.
We
presently
have
175
employees
in
the
des
moines
area.
We
are
presently
hiring
30,
more
that'll
put
us
up
over
200.
Q
Q
A
Let's
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
and
ask
council
whether
we
have
any
discussion
take
place
here
at
the
table.
Anybody.
A
C
Well,
I
understand,
I
think
some
of
the
people
are
hearing
what
they
want
to
hear
and
not
what
they're
actually
hearing
and
valerie
there.
I
know
she
has
a
little
difficulty
hearing,
but
the
1900
cars
is
not
on
hull
hall.
Is
all
those
trans
the
crossings
from
university
bound
to
to
dean
where
the
cars
cross
about
2300
cars?
I
think
a
day
is
last.
C
I
heard
you
about
who
they
have
on
on
hall
and
the
the
six
thousand
trucks
a
day
had
come
off
of
the
off
the
highways
and
that
we
know
the
problems
we've
had
with
federal
government
and
the
financing
of
repairs
and
that
on
our
roadways,
it's
not
our
local
streets
that
we've
had
all
this
problem,
because
the
city
is
founded
throughout
their
capital
improvements
and
that
they
continue
to
improve
the
streets
in
our
city.
C
When
you
compare
fluer
drive
with
a
crossing
at
hall,
you
got
all
the
people
from
the
outside,
using
the
airplanes
and
that
coming
into
our
city,
and
we
want
to
maintain
a
a
visual
impact
on
them
when
they
come.
They
want
to
get
an
idea
of
what
our
city
is
like.
We
and
you
don't
have
but
very
few
cars
compared
to
what
comes
up
and
down
the
floor
drive
as
far
as
the
the
traffic
on
on
various
streets.
C
We
have
keep
in
mind
that
the
you
know
30
employees
here.
What
did
the?
What
was
the
microsoft
ad?
How
many
employees
in
altoona
and
when.
C
1912
on
facebook,
where
they
have
1920
employees
that
they're,
adding
and
and
figured
out
it
was
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
for
employees,
but
the
state
was
granting
them
to
employ
those
people,
and
here
they
they're
putting
money
back
into
the
city
of
des
moines
as
far
as
the
changing
of
the
streets
and
trying
to
accommodate
the
trucks
that
come
in
for
adm
and
to
make
a
additional
route
or
additional
space
along
the
south
side
of
hall,
so
those
trucks
can
offset
there
so
that
they're
not
in
the
way
those
other
businesses
and
that
that
needs
to
have
their
trucks
in
and
out.
C
I
think
that
as
they
look
to
future
expansion
as
far
as
the
rails
and
that
they've
gone
the
they're
going
to
have
to
have
additional
ability
to
put
in
tracks
and
that
for
those
businesses
come
in
who
want
rail.
If
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
serve
those
businesses,
those
businesses
will
go
elsewhere
and
not
just
the
tax
base,
but
also
the
potential
of
jobs
will
go
elsewhere
too.
So
I
think
we
need
to
continue
to
look
at
the
overall
picture.
C
C
So
I
look
at
this
as
a
safety
issue
as
well,
because
every
crossing
is
an
opportunity
for
an
accident
to
occur.
I
realize
we
have
to
have
them,
but
we
ought
to
keep
it
to
a
minority
if
we
can
to
try
to
protect
our
our
residents
and
that
as
much
as
possible.
So
those
are
my
my
beginning
comments,
mr
mayor.
Okay,
skip.
H
F
Yeah,
I
have
a
couple
of
comments
to
make
because
I've
tried
to
spend
some
time
studying
this
and
make
sure
that
I
that
I
continue
to
understand
it.
I
I
want
to
apologize,
especially
for
the
person
who
spoke
thinking
that
maybe
some
of
us
were
disregarding
what
she
said,
because
we
were
reading
and
doing
things
up
here.
I
can
promise
you
I
looked
over
at
my
colleague,
and
we
were
looking
at
the
petition
that
had
just
been
submitted.
F
We
all
have
drawings
and
pictures
of
the
area
and
we're
trying
to
do
our
best
to
study
this.
The
one
thing
that
I
want
to
that
I
want
to
say,
and
I'm
certain
that
there's
going
to
be
a
fair
number
of
people
that
disagree
with
me,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
this
issue
and
why
I'm
voting
from
this
perspective,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
addressed
the
problems
to
the
degree
that
we
can,
that
have
been
voiced
or
the
opportunities
that
we
have
to
put
some
improvements
in
our
city.
F
I
understand
that
the
people
that
live
directly,
east
or
west
of
this
closure
carry
the
burden
for
an
improvement
that
will
benefit
a
vast
number
of
citizens
around
the
area,
and
we
regret
that
and
that's
never
easy
to
do
to
a
group
of
people.
But
I
want
you
to
be
sure
that
I'm
confident
that
this
is
a
solution
to
real
problems
and
and
a
couple
of
people
made
mention
of
the
fact
that
hey
because
nothing
has
changed
or
nothing's
improved
in
this
process,
maybe
we
ought
to
take
a
step
back
and
not
pass
it.
F
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
at
our
last
meeting.
It
was
mentioned
that
nobody
had
ever
really
been
specific
about
the
reduction
of
the
delays.
We
never
heard
it
from
up
tonight.
We
did.
He
was
here.
He
mentioned
a
25
percent
reduction
in
blockage
time.
That's
what
people
ask
for,
and
we
have
it
on
tape.
F
We've
worked
hard
to
make
sure,
especially
on
the
southeast
side
near
laurel
and
the
cemetery
out.
There
that's
had
my
attention,
particularly
because
I
thought
a
month
ago
those
plans
were
kind
of
soft
and,
as
our
engineering
department
looked
at
it,
here's
what
we've
done
that's
different
than
just
a
month
ago,
we're
going
to
retain
36th
street
southeast
36th
street.
It's
no
longer
going
to
be
closed.
In
fact,
it's
going
to
be
24
7
an
access
road.
That's
there
before
a
month
ago
it
wasn't
paved
and
it
wasn't
open.
24
7.,
it
was
a.
F
Those
are
all
changes
from
the
last
month
because
of
the
input
we've
talked
about,
what's
happening
at
holy
whole
avenue
we're
going
to
lengthen
the
turn
the
turning
lanes
to
make
it
easier,
we're
going
to
widen
dixon
and
hull,
we're
going
to
widen
hall
dixon
to
adm
we're
trying
to
do
everything
that
we
can
to
make
sure
that
as
you
as
the
traffic
is
necessarily
rerouted,
it
can
be
as
smooth
and
quick
and
safe
as
it
possibly
could
all
improvement.
F
Since
a
month
ago,
quality
of
life
in
that
area,
we
were
challenged
to
figure
out
how
we
could
make
this
some
kind
of
an
improvement
for
the
people
that
live
right
up
and
down
hall.
We're
installing
sidewalks
along
delaware
from
hall
to
morton
whole
avenue.
Pavement
overlay
we're
going
to
fix
the
street
over
there
and
give
it
a
whole
generation
of
being
safe,
beautiful
and
and
easy
to
drive
on
we're
going
to
plant
trees
from
24th
to
I-235
a
long
haul
to
beautify
the
area
improve
connectivity.
F
When
I
talk
to
people
around
our
city,
they
want
jobs,
they're,
sick
of
the
economic
condition
we've
been
in
the
last
five
or
six
years
and,
as
we
pointed
out
today,
and
a
couple
of
people
did
a
minute
ago,
this
isn't
this
isn't
changing
some
kind
of
economic
development.
It's
a
great
headline.
These
are
places
that
are
going
to
employ
people.
We
heard
from
two
representatives
where
they're
underway,
right
now
to
hire
30
new
people.
I
hope
they
come
from
these
neighborhoods
and
the
adm
additional
people
from
their
two
to
three
million
dollar
expansion.
F
This
is
important
for
us
that
we
have
jobs.
Those
are
the
improvements
that
I
wrote
down
that
are
new
since
a
month
ago,
somebody
challenged
us
that
if
it
hasn't
improved,
we
shouldn't
vote
for
it.
Actually,
what
we
said
is
we're
going
to
continue
to
vote
for
it
if
it
improves
to
the
degree
that
we
want-
and
I
believe
this
continues
to
improve.
F
I
can't
tell
you-
I
can't
tell
you
that
I'm
happy
that
whole
avenue
is
closing,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
think
the
overall
package
of
what
we've
put
together
to
benefit
the
neighborhood
makes
it
easy
for
me
to
support
this
proposal,
because
I
think,
in
the
long
term,
we'll
be
happy
that
the
city
has
done
this
so
that
we
have
better
flow
through
there's
fewer
blockages.
F
We
respond
to
the
people
all
around
the
east
side
and
the
city
of
des
moines
that
don't
want
those
blockages,
and
so
it's
my
intention
to
vote
for
this
tonight.
As
skip
said,
we
have
one
more
reading.
I
hope
the
playing
continues
to
improve,
but
I
I
do
want
to
point
out,
and
you
can
probably
hear
it
in
my
voice.
I
I
want
you
to
understand
that
this
isn't
the
same
plan
as
last
time.
We
listened,
we
studied,
we
responded
and
we
improved
the
plan.
J
J
This
particular
study
was
at
least
part
of
our
response
as
to
how
to
do
that.
This
is
a
study
that
would
look
at
best
practices
and
evaluate
potential
ideas,
including
balancing
automobile
bicycle,
rail
truck
and
pedestrian
mobility,
buffering
residential
areas
from
railroad
facilities
and
associating
industrial
uses
and
encouraging
rail-based
economic
development.
This
this
is
a
study
that
that
puts
us
on
the
road
of
looking
for
the
kind
of
solutions
that
have
been
addressed
by
some
of
you
in
your
comments
about
this,
and,
I
think,
is
a
very
positive
change.
J
J
I
do
want
to
point
out
again
that
this
is
one
of
the
proposals
that's
new
from
before,
and
I
think
it
has
great
potential
to
address
some
of
the
issues
and
concerns
that
you
all
have
and
by
the
way,
if,
if
this
is
voted
down,
the
issues
that
you're
talking
about
a
lot
of
them
are
still
going
to
persist
in
the
neighborhood.
The
only
way
to
really
address
these
issues
in
a
way
that
has
long
lasting
impact
is
through
a
study
process
like
this.
A
All
right,
I
I'll
ask
if
there's
a
motion
that
we
are
going
to
vote
on
the
as
presented.
A
E
C
I
would
move
that
we
approve
this
and
look
forward
to
our
third
reading
in
september
as
skip
mention.
It
would
be
coming.
A
A
I
didn't
hear
a
big
response
in
regard
to
support
for
a
park
or
a
green
space
over
there,
but
I
think
maybe
we
ought
to
have
that
continued
discussion
with
with
all
the
the
businesses
and
the
people
over
in
that
area.
I
also
appreciated,
quite
frankly,
the
the
photos
that
we
got
of
in
comparatives,
and
certainly
I
think
that
I
am
very
much
in
support
of
greenways
walkways
and
and
all
those
kinds
of
things
and
and
quality
improvements.
A
There's
a
couple
of
different
schools
of
thought
and
love
to
get
input
from
the
neighborhoods,
neighbors
and
associations
on
all
sides
of
town
on
what
they
should
look
like.
There
are
those
who
believe
that
some
of
those
areas
should
be
left
more
natural
with
native
natural
iowa
grasses,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
clip
down.
A
Looking
like
a
golf
course,
I
think,
at
least
in
a
lot
of
those
areas,
as
some
of
us
wrote
on
ragbrai
noticed
I'd
kind
of
liked
riding
along
by
the
the
grassy
areas,
rather
than
the
the
mowed
lawns.
It
felt
a
little
more
like
iowa
should
be
in
in
the
way
we
ought
to
be
preserving
our
natural
way.
I
don't
like
the
shovels
in
there
by
the
way,
so
I
hope
parks
will
get
out
there
and
make
sure
we
clean
some
of
these
areas
up
that's
a
pretty
bad
representation.
A
I
think
of
how
we
want
any
of
our
sidewalks
and
parkways
to
look
no
matter
where
they
are
in
the
city
of
des
moines
to
cherie's
comment
again.
I
don't
want
her
to
ever
think
that
it's
falling
on
deaf
ears,
because
I
I
totally
agree
in
terms
of
the
walkability
and
the
connectedness
of
of
neighbors
people
to
places
in
this
city.
A
I
think,
as
was
pointed
out
in
previous
meetings
and
a
couple
of
neighborhood
meetings
around
these
issues,
that
at
least
I've
attended
that
people
are
concerned,
not
just
about
how
it
it
happens
as
you
cross
those
tracks,
but
the
neighbors
that
back
up
to
it
and
the
families
that
that
walk
around
the
area,
and
we
want
a
lot
of
those
areas
to
feel
much
more
urban
in
nature
rather
than
like
we're
living
in
and
around
brown
fields.
A
We've
also
had
some
discussion
in
the
past
about
overpasses
marty
brought
that
up,
as
did
a
couple
of
the
other
speakers.
I
think
that
we
ought
to
have
a
a
discussion
around
that
and
talk
about.
You
know
not
only
the
location,
the
cost,
the
budgets
and
everything
else,
how
it
is
that
that
we
do
these
things
and
and
place
these
for
citizens
for
business,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
this
council
has
to
sort
of
balance.
All
that
out.
A
We
we
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
the
citizens
that
that
are
here
every
single
day
and
care
about
where
their
kids
work,
whether
it's
safe.
Whether
it
looks
good
feels
good,
where
they're
educated,
how
they're
educated-
and
we
constantly
want
to
make
improvements
in
all
those
areas.
So
I
think
that
everybody
has
spoken
not
only
tonight
but
other
nights
quite
eloquently
and
persuasively
that
we
need
to
push
forward
and
continue
this
discussion,
and
it
is,
quite
frankly,
at
least
for
me
not
over.
A
I
and-
and
I
have
spoken
with
the
folks
that
spoke
on
the
other
side
as
opposed
to
the
neighborhoods,
the
u.p
representatives
and
also
the
adm
folks,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
speak
to
all
the
businesses
down
there
because
we're
all
in
this
together
and
we
want
des
moines
and
iowa
to
continue
to
be
a
great
place
to
do
business
and
to
have
a
job
and
provide
jobs,
but
also
a
great
place
to
live
and
a
great
place
for
people
to
plan
to
raise
not
only
their
kids
but
their
grandkids
and
their
great
grandkids.
A
So
I
is
mr
coleman
pointed
out.
I
think
we've
made
some
progress,
but
I'm
not
sure
we're
as
far
as
we
need
to
be
to
make
me
as
happy
as
I
need
to
be
to
especially
on
a
final
vote
for
for
this.
As
was
pointed
out
in
what
september
25th
did
you
say,
skip
23rd
we're
going
to
have
a
a
another
vote.
A
So
again,
I
will
say
I'm
going
to
move
this
forward
to
the
next
reading,
but
I
I
I
want
to
see
some
more
some
more
progress
and
some
more
discussion,
because
I
think
that
it,
this
is
can't
be
just
a
a
we'll
get
by
kind
of
a
thing.
A
I
I
want
to
see
an
improvement
here
for
the
neighbors
and
in
the
citizens,
as
well
as
the
businesses
as
an
end
result
of
this
rather
long
discussion
that
we've
been
having
for
the
last
couple
three
years
so
until
the
23rd
I'm
going
to
vote
for
it.
A
Thank
you
again
for
everybody
coming
down
this
evening,
appreciate
your
input.
We
are
going
to
move
now
at
5
54
to
the.
A
It
is
the
items
regarding
norton
hall
relocation,
council
communication
number
13-45
a
is
a
hearing
on
the
urban
renewal
agreement
for
the
sale
of
land
for
private
redevelopment
to
425
east
grand
llc
to
develop
disposition
parcel
number
02-02a,
425
east
grand
into
the
metro
center
urban
renewal
project
b
is
approving
the
conceptual
development
plan
and
execution
of
a
special
warranty
deed
to
425.
A
Each
grand
llc
nc
issuing
a
conditional
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
relocation
of
norton
hall
from
709
east
locust
street
terminating
the
designation
of
709
east
locust
street
as
a
local
landmark
and
designating
425
east
grand
as
a
local
landmark
upon
the
relocation
to
that
address.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
to
speak
to
this
item.
L
L
If
there's
nothing
I'll
move
48
a
b
and
c
right,
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
work
to
move
this.
One
building.
M
A
A
A
Veteran
50
on
the
2013
ada
sidewalk
ramp
program
contract
number
one
resolution:
improving
the
plan:
specifications
form
of
contract
documents,
engineers
estimate
designating
the
lowest
responsible
bidder
as
tk
concrete
inc.
Tony
j
vermeer,
president
four
hundred
and
thirty
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
dollars
council
communication
number
13-430
a
is
approving
the
contract
and
the
bond.
A
All
right
that
completes
our
hearings
at
5,
57.
A
Item
41.
item
41
is
amending
chapter
114.
The
municipal
code
regarding
traffic
regulation
changes
as
follows:
council
communication
number
13-427
a
is
a
speed
limit
change
park.
Avenue
from
fleur
drive
to
southwest
14th
street
b
is
a
two-way
stop
signal
reversal,
east
13th,
street
and
morton
avenue
c
is
installation
of
two-way
stop
at
southwest
first
street
and
hillside
avenue
and
d
is
relocation
of
handicap
parking,
meter,
east
side
of
fifth
avenue
between
grand
avenue
and
watson
powell
junior
way
is
there
anybody
here
to
speak
to
either
41
a
b
c
or
d.
F
A
AC
Yes,
sir,
there's
just
a
a
few
variances
in
pictures,
but
they're
pretty
much
the
same
and
and
they
are
basically
what
I
have
here
in
front
of
me
this
evening.
Thank
you.
AC
I'm
sorry
they
are
not
all
color
coordinated,
but
I
did
the
best
I
bought
every
single
one
of
them
they
had
at
walmart
last
night,
so
you
went
during
back
to
school
yeah
I
did
the
best
I
did
the
best.
AC
I
can
and
would
like
to
also
point
out
that
my
lovely
bride
was
extremely
helpful
in
putting
all
of
this
together
mayor,
county
city
manager,
clark,
distinguished
council
members,
I'm
in
front
of
you
tonight
to
talk
about
something
that
I
think
is
extremely
important
and
maybe
on
the
cusp
of
not
being
able
to
pull
it
back
from
a
situation
that
I
think
would
be
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
crime
against
our
educational
system.
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
We're
graduating,
3
000
students
a
year
to
become
amts
about
2
000
will
go
into
the
industry,
because
that
ticket
is
very
valuable.
Ask
yourself
a
question
when
you
graduated
from
high
school
and
you
went
to
purdue
kansas
state
southern
illinois,
and
you
showed
them
your
diploma.
What
would
they
grant
you
for
that
diploma?
AC
AC
The
airport
has
come
up
and
said:
don't
care
what
you
say:
don't
care
who
you
think
you
are.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
What
they
have
done
is
they
have
and
and
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
information
in
here.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
so
I'm
pleased
going
to
ask
you
to
go
through
it
at
your
leisure
and
take
a
look
at
it
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
concerning
it,
but
they
have
offered
us
a
one-year
lease
with
no
extensions.
AC
AC
AC
AC
And
I
appreciate
that
mayor.
There
are
a
couple
of
other
people
who
may
be
able
to
speak
tonight.
It
simply
boils
down
to
this.
AC
AC
AC
AC
We
have
students
that
have
gone
on
to
every
type
of
career.
You
can
imagine
academies,
working,
full-time
technicians
at
the
guard,
airline,
pilots,
national
transportation,
safety
board,
nuclear
engineers,
air
traffic
controllers-
you
des
moines,
everybody
says-
is
what
we
need
as
we
need
a
college.
We
need
a
program
that
prepares
our
kids
for
careers.
Without
going
to
college,
we
have
a
simple
saying:
learn
to
earn
earn
to
learn
our
kids
walk
out
of
there
with
44
hours
of
college
credit.
AC
AA
AC
I
know
that
the
co
and
the
superintendent
wanted
to
be
here
tonight,
but
because
of
the
heat
and
some
of
the
problems,
we
had
they're
unable
to
make
it,
but
I'd
certainly
be
glad
to
entertain
any
questions.
A
lot
of
information.
Any
questions
that
I
can
answer.
B
You
answered
the
one
question
I
had,
because
that
was.
We
had
talked
about
having
somebody
from
the
schools
here
to
address
that
that
as
well
but
yeah.
AC
I
invite
you
to
come
out
and
take
a
look.
Look
at
the
airplanes
that
we
have.
We
can't
move.
We
can't
take
that
type
of
assets.
We
have
10
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
assets
and
aircraft
that
have
been
brought
into
this
program
that
have
cost
the
district
and
the
taxpayers
nothing.
This
program
operates
in
the
black
every
year.
AC
AE
AE
Rick
graves
1020,
south
avenue
norwalk.
Why
am
I
at
a
des
moines
city
council
meeting,
because
I'm
a
retired
teacher
and
what's
happening
is
wrong
here.
Students
who
come
to
programs
to
learn
careers
are
what
make
this
city
what
it
is
today,
tech,
high
central
campus,
those
are
things
that
are
unique
to
des
moines.
AE
AE
This
is
a
chance
to
keep
a
program
that
is
unique
out
in
front
and
part
of
why
des
moines
is
was
recognized
because
of
these
pro
this
program.
This
is
not
the
only
program,
that's
in
danger,
but
this
is
the
one
that
you
can
do
something
about
right
now
the
airport
authority
doesn't
seem
to
have
any
checks
and
balances
which
to
me
is
amazing
that
you
folks
let
them
get
away
without
being
able
to
check
on
them
and
balances,
but
the
des
moines
public
schools,
aviation
engineering
program
is
one
of
a
kind.
AE
B
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
go
out
and
tour
as
jerry
bradley
indicated,
and
it's
an
extremely
impressive
program,
there's
no
doubt
about
it
and
when
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
really
learn
about
the
program
overall,
it
seems
like
from
a
city's
perspective
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this
work
now.
Having
said
that,
we
have
the
airport
authority,
which
I'm
respectful
of
and
understand
how
that
works.
I've
been
given
direction
by
legal.
To
make
sure
I
understand.
B
B
You've
got
the
you've
got
the
the
information
to
underscore
how
successful
the
program
has
been.
You
have
provided
information
about.
It
has
been
saved
in
the
11th
hour
and
other
communities.
It's
my
understanding
that
you
also
have
proposed
this.
You
through
the
school
system,
have
proposed
actually
increasing
the
rents
that
you've
been
paying.
So
it's
closer
to
fair
market
value,
even
though
based
upon
what's
happened
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
you
would
not
be
required
to
have
to
pay
fair
market
value.
B
I
what
I'm
asking
knowing
what
we
can
and
can't
do
is
that
the
city
council
send
a
letter
of
support
for
the
program
asking
the
airport
authority
to
work
to
do
what
they
can
to
sit
down.
Have
the
appropriate
people
involved
in
those
discussions,
understanding
that
the
airport
authority
has
the
final
say,
but
I
believe
it's
one
about
education.
B
If
our
citizens
understand
the
impact
of
the
program,
if
we
all
understand
the
impact
of
the
program,
I
would
think
that
we
would
want
to
find
a
solution
to
ensure
that
it's
successful
programs
that
have
moved
off
of
airports
have
gone,
have
just
disbanded
they've
had
to
close.
So
I
just
want
to
find
a
reasonable
solution
to
this,
and
I
would
agree,
I
don't
think
it's
reasonable
to
ask
you
to
move,
especially
if
you
go
out
and
you
tour
the
airport
facility,
it
would
be
extremely
difficult.
H
H
A
Okay,
I
think.
A
All
right,
we've
got
a
motion
here
to
ask
to,
I
think,
have
a
open
discussion
with
the
airport
and
communication
with
them
saying
we
support
the
program
correct.
A
And-
and
I
also
think
that
having
talked
with
cheery
earlier,
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the.
A
The
future
of
the
program,
not
not
only
at
the
airport,
but
I
know
that
jerry
has
been
there
for
a
number
of
years
and
has
led
it
well
and
that
the
students
have
done
well,
but
at
some
point
or
another
jerry's
going
to
move
along,
maybe
after
this
year
or
next
year.
A
What's
the
succession
plan?
What's
the
commitment
of
the
school
district
to
keep
this
thing
going,
I
mean:
are
they
going
to
train
somebody
up
to
do
it?
How
do
they
know
what's
going
on
there
as
near
as
I
can
tell,
except
for
maybe
jerry
and
this
retired
gentleman
over
here-
there's
not
a
lot
of
knowledge
based
there.
A
We
need
to
find
some
folks
that
are
willing
to
take
this
thing
on
in
a
commitment
from
school
district
to
to
keep
it
be
the
program
and
improve
it
over
time,
and
I
I'd
like
to
hear
that
before
you
know
we
started
drawing
lines
and
sand
with
the
the
airport
authority
as
to
what's
going
to
happen
after
this
lease
that
apparently
has
been
extended
for
another
year.
So
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
A
In
my
opinion
to
to
make
sure
all
the
parties
come
to
come
come
together
to
have
an
agreement
about
this
important
program.
A
If
somebody's
willing
we've
got
a
gentleman
who
has
his
hand
up
out
here
in
the
audience,
we'd
ask
if
the
council
will
permit
you
to
come
up
here
and
speak
from
here
rather
than
the
audience
and
give
us
your
name
and
address.
AB
AB
I'm
working
with
jerry
jerry's
teaching
me
everything.
He
knows
there
are
other
people
helping
me
with
this
as
well.
I
come
from
28
years
of
aviation
background.
AB
A
little
bit
it's
different
than
than
what
jerry
has
that's
a
good
thing.
I
worked
20
years
for
22
years
for
a
company
called
abxair.
They
were
airborne
express
at
one
time
and
ultimately
changed
to
dhl
at
that
during
my
time
out
here
and
just
it
was
all
20
years,
it
was
out
here
at
the
des
moines
airport.
AB
AB
A
So
we
have
one
motion
over
here
that
mrs
hensley
made.
We
have
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
is
an
amendment
or
an
addition
to
it
that
mr
moore
has
I'd.
C
Like
to
add
to
that
that
we
get
a
report
from
the
school
district,
what
their
plans
are
for
an
aviation
program,
what
they
are
looking
to
discontinue
this
or
they're
looking
to
to
support
it
in
the
future
and
and
what
what
do
they
have
to
substitute
for
it?
It's.
B
It's
and
I
I
think,
that's
an
excellent
suggestion.
I
would
just
add-
and
mr
bradley
didn't
go
into
as
much
detail,
but
I
think
I
can
answer
the
question.
It
is
an
open
enrolled
program.
So,
as
a
result,
it
has
been
a
money
maker
for
the
school
system
and
that's
significant,
because
I'm
guessing
that
that
doesn't
happen
with
a
lot
of
the
programs.
So
it's
not
only
des
moines
students,
but
it's
really
a
regional
program
where
you
have
people
coming
from
the
entire
metro
area.
A
B
You
and
timing
is
of
the
essence,
because
it
will
take
some
time
to
work
through
it.
J
A
That
mrs
hensley
said
that
is
going
to
be
a
support.
We
like
the
program,
then
we've
got
a
request
as
to
from
the
the
airport
authority
to
explain
to
us
where
they're.
E
J
B
K
B
B
F
A
Well
right,
I
suppose
that
that
mr
attorney,
we
there's
a
request
to
speak
to
the
council,
and
I
think
that
maybe
carl
needs
to
understand
what
our
authority
is
is
here
in
regard
to
these
types
of
reports
and
what
the
council
and
our
relationship
with
particular
sure.
AD
Mr
mayor,
the
important
a
couple
of
important
factors
here
is
the
manager
and
not
the
council,
who
has
day-to-day
control
over
employees
and
operations
in
including
almost
every
city
employee,
so
that,
from
that
perspective,
any
comments
concerning
specific
employees
should
be
directed
to
the
city
manager
as
opposed
to
the
council.
Secondly,
the
council's
own
rules
of
proceedings
provide
that
comments
and
general
discussion
should
not
be
personalized
and
should
not
be
negatively
personalized.
AD
So
I
would
encourage
the
mayor's
chair
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
go
down
that
path
if
he
wants
to
speak
in
terms
of
general
employee
behavior,
I
suppose
that's
okay,
but
once
he
starts
down
talking
about
specific
employees,
then
that's
the
manager's
purview
and
it's
also
a
violative
of
of
the
council's
own
rules.
Regarding
these
meetings.
A
Okay
with
that,
that's
clear.
R
A
I
think
an
individual
employee
based
upon
what
we've
just
heard,
maybe
that
discussion
could
happen
with
the
city
manager
sure,
and
you
could
talk
about
general
behavior
of
employees.
I
would
guess
universally,
but
I
think
when
we
get
down
to
a
specific
employee
that
that
discussion,
I
guess
we
would
refer
for
you
to
have
a
conversation
directly
with
the
city
manager.
Regarding
your
concerns
in
that
regard.
To
that
individual.
A
J
R
But
that
you,
you
won't
hear
the
complaint
I
have
about
this
department
of
the
city
and
the
person's
involved
in
that
that's
that's
the
whole
subject.
R
If
I
I
may
have
not
indicated
my
reason
for
this
more
clearly
that
that's
my
mistake,
I
was
it
involved
a
person
who
would
be
so
demanding
and
as
a
member
of
a
city
department
at
I
that's
the
only
person
I
was
dealing
with.
That's
why
I
singled
this
person
out.
A
I
I
think
this
gentleman
deserves
to
have
this
discussion
now,
and
the
manager
has
asked
assistant
city
manager
to
hear
your
complaint,
so
you
don't
have
to
come
back
cert
if
you
would
like
probably
could
take
them
into
into
my
office
back
here
and
and
or
our
conference
room
and
have
this
very
specific
discussion.
A
F
A
All
right
item
46
has
been
withdrawn
item
47
from
the
representatives
of
saint
augustine's
church
to
speak
regarding
its
properties
located
in
the
vicinity
of
40th
street
in
grand.
J
O
Mr
members
of
the
council,
william
louis
317,
6th
avenue,
suite
300,
I'm
appearing
on
behalf
of
saint
augustine
also
this
evening
is
andy
ball
who's,
the
administrator
and
finance
director
at
saint
augustines
and
bill
syrangeli
co-consul
council
for
saint
augustine
on
july
15th.
We
were
here,
as
the
council
may
remember,
to
talk
about
the
two
of
the
three
properties
that
are
owned
in
the
vicinity
of
40th
and
grand
avenue.
O
So
we
set
forth
at
that
time
a
procedure
to
go
through
a
process
to
allow
on
a
couple,
successive
or
frankly,
a
couple
of
saturdays
and
to
do
all
of
this
work
and
see
if
there'd
be
some,
because
I
want
to
say
some
legs
to
the
possibility
that
these
structures
could
be
moved
to
a
different
location,
one
or
both
there's
a
third
property.
That's
not
the
subject
of
any
discussion,
because
the
sen
augustine's
inten
intend
to
keep
that.
These
are
all.
O
That's
on
40th
street,
to
reiterate
what
we
talked
about
on
july
15th.
We
said
that
we
meeting
saint
augustine
that
the
contractor
must
post
a
three
thousand
dollar
refundable
bond.
O
Frankly,
as
a
deposit
must
notify
the
church
by
8
15
by
the
15th
of
august
of
a
site
for
each
or
for
each
home,
and
then
must
have
a
pre-application
process
with
the
city
completed,
and
the
church,
of
course
reserved
the
right
to
review
all
of
this
to
find
out
if
there
could
in
fact
be
any
possibility
that
one
or
two
of
these
two
structures
could
be
retained.
O
That
happened
by
in
our,
at
least
in
our
judgment,
happened
to
to
quite
an
extent
by
representatives
of
saint
augustine.
There
was
one
party
that
came
forward.
I
think
mr
caser
is
here
this
evening,
and
he
spoke
with
mr
ball
in
particular
on
many
occasions
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
to
follow
through
and
see
if
this
could
be
done,
there
are
countless
emails
back
and
forth
and
there
was
a
process
where
the
people
many
people
came
through
the
structure.
O
O
O
At
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
there
has
not
been
a
pre-application
conference,
which
of
course
was
one
of
the
prerequisites
with
the
council
wanted
to
know,
as
did
saint
augustine's,
if,
in
fact,
there
would
be
a
possibility
to
move
these
structures,
where
would
they
go?
Would
they
comply
with
the
zoning?
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
mike
ludwig
suggested
as
to
whether
they
would
even
be
able
to
be
permitted
to
be
moved
to
that
particular
location.
O
O
We
indicated
we
come
back
to
the
council
on
this
date.
We
make
a
report
to
you
as
to
at
least
what
we
think
we
did
and
what
we
outlined.
We
would
do.
We
believe
we've
done
that
and
we'd
at
this
point,
whether
I
can
answer
the
question
or
mr
ball
can
answer
the
question.
We
sure
defer
to
any
of
the
council
members
questions.
Mr
mayor.
B
Okay,
can
I
go
back
bill
a
couple
comments
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
this
correct
because
I'm
getting
differing
views
on
this.
You
said
that
you
thought
that
mr
kaiser
had
had
or
caser
had
had
several
conversations
with
andy
ball
and
I
had
copies
of
the
emails.
I
think
you
sent
those
to
us
from
rick
clark
and
the
emails
that
I
had.
Maybe
I
didn't
get
them
all,
but
there
were
three
emails.
I
believe.
O
O
Countless
emails
and
conversations
back
and
forth
it
primarily
was
to
see
when
the
the
church
would
make
available
the
facilities
for
inspection.
Can
you
come
through?
Can
you
come
through
with
your
engineer?
Can
you
come
through
with
another
gentleman?
So
mr
ball
could
answer
those
questions
much
better
than
I
okay,
but
they
shared
emails
as
to
when
they
could
do
that,
how
they
could
do
it
when
they
could
do
how
they
could
do
it
and
so
forth.
O
B
O
O
E
AF
O
That
was
very
important
because
the
city
in
particular,
said
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
moving
of
any
of
these
structures.
We
want
to
know
where
and
believe
me
saint
augustine
wants
to
know
where
also
because
we
did
outline
the
council
when
we
were
here
the
last
time
that
october
15th
was
a
target
date
that
we
were
using
there's
a
another
email
on
the
6th,
the
8th,
the
10th,
the
15th.
B
O
I
believe
so
the
tenth
was
the
first
time
that
I
think
they
was.
They
said
this
is
what
they
had
in
mind.
This
is
what
they
wanted
to
do,
and
so
the
tenth
came,
and
then
that
response.
My
response
was
on
the
20th
or
something
like
that
of
august.
O
O
Mr
casey
has
worked
hard,
I
think,
to
try
to
see
if
there
was
a
way
to
set
up
salvage
and
or
to
keep
these
structures
so
he's
to
be
complimented,
but
we've
cooperated
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge
and
and
in
working
with
mr
caser
to
see
if
that
can
in
fact
happen
and
okay,
we
don't
think
it
can
be
very
candid.
B
O
O
I
do
want
to
reiterate,
though,
that
this
structure-
and
it
was
the
one
in
particular
the
foundation-
started
to
crumble.
I
think
maybe
mr
casey
was
there
at
the
time
with
mr
ball,
and
so
we
did
because
of
liability.
O
O
Mr
caser,
I
think
he
even
assisted
us
in
trying
to
board
him
up
so
that
people
wouldn't
come
in
there,
because
we've
had
a
lot
of.
I
use
the
word
interloper,
but
that's
in
fact
what
we've
had?
Okay.
A
If
you
could
just
and
then
anybody
else
who
has
any
comments,
we'd
ask
you
to
kind
of
come
forward
after
mr
kaiser
and
speak
to
this.
If
you
would
please,
mr
ball,
what
what
is
your
relationship
in
this
whole.
D
AG
Good
evening
my
name
is
phil
kaser.
I
currently
live
at
23918
glenwood
circle
in
adel,
but
until
I
moved
three
years
ago,
I
lived
about
a
mile
from
40th
and
grand
a
lifetime
member
of
plymouth
congregational
church.
So
I'm
familiar
with
the
history
of
both
plymouth
and
saint
augustine:
churches,
purchases
of
the
house,
east
of
them,
from
grand
ingersoll
40th
to
41st
street.
AG
I
remember
when
they
approached
the
city
council
in
the
late
1990s
to
have
41st
street
condemned
from
grand
to
ingersoll
and
demolition
permits
granted
for
the
row
of
houses
they
owned
immediately
east
to
41st.
I
became
aware
of
the
agreements
that
the
city
had
with
both
churches
regarding
demolition
of
the
remaining
houses.
When
an
article
came
out
in
the
des
moines
register
about
june
6.,
it
covered
the
story
about
saint
augustine's
threat
of
a
lawsuit
against
the
city
of
des
moines.
If
they
were
not
issued
demolition
permits
for
4005
and
4011
grand
avenue.
AG
At
that
point,
I
decided
to
try
and
determine
if
one
or
both
of
the
houses
could
be
saved
by
moving
them.
I
have
preservation
experience
going
back
to
the
1980s
when
I
first
bought
a
six
plex
in
sherman
hill
and
then
a
house
renovating
them
both
in
1997
marty
mark
kennedy
and
I
put
together
a
group
of
friends
to
buy
the
val
air
ballroom,
save
it
from
the
wrecking
ball.
Six
years
later,
we
sold
it,
and
I
looked
for
a
new
preservation
project.
AG
In
march
of
2008,
I
funded
the
moving
the
murillo
apartment,
building
an
endeavor
so
large
that
was
filmed
by
national
geographic
and
featured
on
their
series
on
the
discovery.
Channel
called
monster
moves.
Unfortunately,
it
was
a
horrible
decision
made
at
an
incredibly
poor
time
to
have
your
money
in
any
form
of
real
estate,
let
alone
historical
preservation.
AG
AG
AG
New
locations
for
the
buildings,
given
the
challenges
of
moving
a
large
building
and,
of
course,
the
money
to
finance
the
project.
At
this
point,
we
have
none
of
those
components
in
the
1960s
plymouth
church
proposed
a
similar
project
to
the
city
council.
They
had
purchased
the
houses
directly
across
ingersoll
avenue
and
proposed
to
tear
down
the
houses
to
make
way
for
senior
citizen
housing
that
included
a
beautiful
mansion.
AG
In
my
memory,
a
far
nicer
property
than
either
4005
or
4011
grand
avenue
the
council
approved
their
request.
Plymouth
place
was
built
and
we
now
have
a
better
use
of
that
land
serving
a
greater
benefit
to
the
community
than
those
single-family
homes.
Although
saint
augustine's
has
not
announced
their
intentions
for
use
of
the
land,
they
did
promise
at
the
july
15
council
meeting
that
would
not
be
used
for
additional
parking.
AG
Good
preservation
projects
start
well
before
the
owner
feels
the
need
to
demolish
their
building.
Those
who
do
not
want
to
see
any
more
demolition
of
historic
properties
along
grand
avenue
need
to
recognize
what
other
properties
are
currently
in
jeopardy
and
act
now
topping
the
list
should
be
520
40th
street.
This
is
the
third
home
in
the
r3
zone,
parcel
that
includes
4005
and
4011
grand
avenue
it
was
vacated
at
the
same
time
as
the
grand
avenue
properties,
which
tells
me
that
it's
only
a
measure
of
time
before
sand
augustine
seeks
to
also
tear
it
down.
AG
I'm
told
that
it's
architecturally
significant
as
a
very
good
example
of
prairie
view
construction
and
as
a
smaller
building
would
be
far
easier
to
move
and
less
costly
to
renovate
back
into
a
single
family
home.
Second
on
my
list
would
be
the
old
christian
science
church
that
sits
across
grand
avenue
and
slightly
east.
It
has
been
vacant
for
years,
and
I've
heard
that
it's
economically
unfeasible
to
renovate
without
the
involvement
of
a
patron
or
non-profit
corporation.
AG
If
you
want
to
see
it
saved
start
now,
all
I
do
not
have
the
personal
resources
anymore
to
save
you
their
property.
I
can
provide
valuable
information
to
someone
who
is
willing
and
capable
I'll
leave
my
contact
information
with
the
city
council.
If
anyone
wants
to
get
in
touch
with
me
and
I'll
make
myself
available
outside
the
chamber
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
B
Can
I
just
add
one
clarification
note:
the
house
that
you
talked
about
on
40th
street
is
my
understanding
that
that
house
will
be
saved
and
will
not
be
it's
not
they've.
Already
guarant
they've
already
told
us
that
they
were
going
to
save
that
house.
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that.
K
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
kimberly
hansen,
4015
woodland
avenue,
president
of
northrop
grand
neighborhood
association
and
I'm
henry
and
chris
the
letter
from
the
north
of
grand
neighborhood
association,
which
we
had
mailed
to
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
a
couple
weeks
ago.
K
So
the
mission
we
just
wanted
to
review
the
mission
of
the
northern
grand
neighborhood
association
is
to
ensure
the
existing
and
projected
infrastructure
systems
are
managed
or
developed.
So
they
enhance
the
physical,
visual
and
special
qualities
of
the
neighborhood,
promoting
a
healthy
climate
and
for
area
businesses
and
private
public
and
private
properties.
K
As
you
are
aware,
the
north
of
grand
neighborhood
board
of
directors
is
concerned
about
the
proposed
the
proposal
by
saint
augustine's
church
to
demolish
the
two
properties
at
40th
and
grand
which
are
now
listed
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places
as
part
of
the
greenwood
parks.
Platte
historic
district,
the
north
of
grand
neighborhood
prides
itself
in
on
history
and
has
taken
active
steps
to
educate
its
residents
about
the
richness
of
the
past
that
surrounds
them.
K
The
norther
grand
board
has
organized
popular
and
well-attended
architectural
walking
biking
and
trolley
tours
and
traveling
photo
exhibits
of
historic
photographs
to
highlight
those
assets
and
to
place
them
into
the
21st
century
perspective
we
have
been.
We
have
a
keen
understanding
of
what
our
neighborhood
has
become
over
125
years:
a
safe,
affordable,
historic
neighborhood
in
close
proximity
to
shopping,
dining,
mass
transportation,
quality
schools
and
churches.
K
K
B
K
B
AH
My
name
is
colleen
kinney
632
40th
street.
I'm
passing
out
a
letter,
a
personal
opinion
taking
off
my
north
of
grand
neighborhood
association
board.
AH
AH
AH
AH
The
response
was
to
file
a
lawsuit
against
the
city
and
to
hire
private
security
to
guide
us
on
their
property
which,
by
the
way,
has
valid
and
current
rental
certificates
through
the
city
of
des
moines.
Right
now,
could
you
please
ask
the
property
owners?
Are
they
considering
any
federal
assistance
such
as
hud
funds
or
the
low
income
tax
credit
for
future
projects
on
this
site?
AI
Jack
porter
8,
15,
18,
18
street
and
des
moines
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council.
I
rise
in
support
of
what
the
previous
speaker
just
said
been.
I
don't
have
prepared
remarks
or
anything
like
that,
but
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
how
our
cities
deteriorate
over
time,
and
some
of
that
is
just
the
piecemeal
approach
that
land
and
zoning
and
development
occurs,
and
perhaps
what
colleen
has
touched
on
with
those
properties
between
40th
and
42nd,
grand
and
ingersoll?
AI
I
would
guess
that
many
of
us
have
been
in
large
cities
throughout
the
united
states
and
in
europe.
Recently
we
were
at
the
preserve
iowa
summit
in
burlington
for
the
last
three
days,
and
we
heard
speaker
after
speaker
talk
about
the
value
of
preserving
our
historic
resources
and
the
trades
and
all
the
economic
development
that
that
spurs.
AI
But
I've
been
thinking
a
lot
about
detroit.
I
think
we
all
are,
and
we
realize
that
perhaps
one
of
the
things
that
happened
is
the
focus
of
downtown
development,
overtook,
neighborhood
development
and
it
was
either
or
I'm
proud
to
say.
As
a
citizen
of
des
moines,
I
believe
we've
tried
to
strike
a
balance
between
developing
downtown
and
jobs
and
freeways
and
all
the
things
that
that
brings
to
us
with
neighborhood
development.
AI
AI
AJ
Mayor
and
council
members,
david
barzin
420
51st
street
in
des
moines,
historic
preservationist
throughout
the
city.
My
comments
are
very,
very
short:
I've
been
through
the
house.
I've
toured
the
houses.
AJ
I've
done
a
lot
of
restoration
efforts
around
des
moines
and
I
found
that
it
does
take
a
lot
of
effort,
a
lot
of
money
and
I
feel
fulfilled
because
I
was
one
that
was
trying
to
purchase
the
mirillo
and
did
not
come
out
on
the
winning
end
of
that
after
it
after
it
got
moved.
AJ
I
don't
see
what
the
rush
is
on
getting
these
buildings
torn
down
and
let
them
sit
there
for
a
while
longer
until
we
find
this
person
that
can
come
forward
or
this
group
of
people
that
can
come
forward.
I
know
of
a
number
of
people
right
now
that
are
working
on
this
trying
to
get
everything
put
together,
trying
to
find
the
investors
and
they
haven't
come
forward
with
a
plan
yet
because
they
haven't
finalized
anything
yet.
But
the
past.
B
AJ
I
don't
know
if
they
have
or
not.
I
know
that
you
know
right
now,
there's
trying
to
secure
people
that
want
to
buy
the
lots
that
they're
looking
at
to
move
the
houses
to
those
lots
and
the
lots
that
are
the
closest,
unfortunately
are
about
180,
000
and
so
you're.
Looking
at
a
pretty
sizable
amount
of
money
between
that
and
the
moving
cost,
but
especially
the
the
4005
property,
you
know
once
it's
restored
and
moved
and
relocated.
AJ
One
time
when
they've
been
left
open,
they
were
not
secured
by
the
church,
and
so
people
were
coming
in
and
stealing
the
copper
pipes
out
of
it
and
doing
damage
to
the
property,
and
I
feel
that
was
sad
because
that
wasn't
a
very
good,
respectable
thing
to
do
to
protect
the
homes
from
those
kind
of
things
happening.
While
people
were
trying
to
come
forward
with
preservation,
ideas
or
restoration
projects
to
try
to
save
the
houses.
So
I
just
again,
I
appreciate
all
you've
done
on
trying
to
delay
the
demolition
permits.
AJ
AJ
AK
It
can
be
a
synonym
for
profit.
Making
it
can
be
a
synonym
for
a
predator
is
not
probably
exactly
the
right
word,
but
non-profits
are
now
the
thing
to
be,
and
not
only
this
church
but
plymouth
and
various
other
groups
in
town
wesley
acres
are
acting
as
though
they
are
in
some
kind
of
competitive
business
world,
as
opposed
to
doing
service
say
in
religion,
in
in
community
ethics.
AK
I
feel
has
failed
because
every
you
know
every
we've
had
we've
had
historic
the
disappearance
of
history
in
this
city
at
83.
I've
seen
so
much
of
it
that
it's
no
longer.
It's
no
longer
a
point
to
speak
to
the
specific,
but
when
you
can
have
a
church
like
plymouth,
take
the
excellent
plymouth
place
and
turn
it
now
into
something
that
you
know.
Someone
on
that
board
got
the
idea
of
changing
it
all
around.
AK
But
when
I
know
that
the
people
who
are
running
wesley
acres
haven't
paid
attention
to
all
the
people
who
are
living
in
wesley
acres
apartments
in
the
apartment
buildings,
they
have
not
paid
attention
to
them
in
talking
about
what
should
happen
to
the
christian
science
church.
So
non-profits
are
a
subject.
AK
You
know,
morality
is
something
that
does
tie
into
everything
else
and
I
think
if
we
could
all
think
in
terms
of
making
non-profits
a
little
more
responsible
now
I
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
it,
but
if
there
were
some
way,
I
think
it
might
even
become
a
subject
of
discussion
and
some
brainstorming
in
public
meetings.
If
we
can
ever
get
some.
F
Yeah
a
lot
of
comments
made-
and
I
do-
I
do-
have
a
lot
of
pride
in
the
efforts
that
we've
made
to
save
the
buildings
that
we
have
in
our
city
and
I
think,
we're
doing
a
better
job,
the
last
several
years
than
than
happened
for
several
decades.
So
we
should.
We
should
be
proud
of
that
and
that
should
fuel
our
energy
to
do
more
of
it
in.
F
In
this
case,
I
have
a
procedural
question
we
took,
I
think
the
staff
sought
council
guidance
a
month
ago
or
so
maybe
longer
ago
than
that,
and
then
the
council
took
action
to
say
here's
a
process
by
which
the
the
property
owners
could
obtain
the
demolition
permit.
F
It's
my
understanding
of
the
action
that
we
took,
and
maybe
this
is
for
you
manager,
you,
mr
lester,
it's
my
understanding
that
if,
if
we
do
nothing
based
on
the
action
that
the
council
took
last
time,
the
church
proceeding
as
we
asked
them
to
a
month
or
six
weeks
ago,
whatever
that
was
staff
would
issue
the
demolition
permits.
If
we
took
no
action
today,.
J
Mr
coleman,
council
members,
it
was
about
a
month
ago
that
that
at
this
table
the
council
established
a
process.
I
don't
I
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
what
the
parameters
were,
but
they're,
essentially,
as
I
think,
you've
described
them
and
at
the
end
of
that
period,
then
the
council
would
make
some
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
the
process
had
been
concluded
and
the
church
representatives
would
indicate
to
us
what
their,
what
their
conclusions
were.
Based
on
that
and
based
on
that
input,
the
staff
would
either
issue
the
permit
or.
A
E
B
Know
I
I
just
need
to
respond
to
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
here
and,
and
I
think
that
this
council
has
demonstrated
that
they're
very
supportive
of
historic
structures
and
we've
taken
some
positive
actions.
B
We
we
went
back
and
we
looked
at
what
were
the
documents
that
had
been
agreed
to
by
plymouth
and
saint
augustine's
as
we
went
through
the
process
back
in
the
late
90s,
and
there
had
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
and
effort
and
bill
and
others
were
very
involved
in
that.
So
there
was
great
dialogue
and
I
felt
that
it
was
really
important
that
we
lived
up
to
what
had
been
committed
in
that
time.
B
So,
as
a
result
of
that,
we
did
watch
and
we're
monitoring
and
permits
were
not
issued.
We
had
follow-up
meetings,
we
had
a
couple
of
meetings
at
least
one
meeting
with
nog.
There
were
a
lot
of
discussions
that
went
on
and
that
happened
the
first
part
of
june,
and
that
was
right
after
a
lawsuit
had
been
filed
by
the
church
when
the
permits
were
not
issued
and
the
reason
I
go
back.
That
far
is
because
it's
been
going
on
all
summer.
B
It's
not
been
one
month.
It's
been
going
on
really
since
may
probably
the
end
of
april
would
be
my
guess
if
I
look
back
at
the
dates,
so
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion,
it's
not
something
that
has
just
happened,
and
we
have.
I
understand
there
are
certain
individuals,
certain
camps
where
you
can
never
tear
anything
down.
B
It
doesn't
matter
what
it
is.
They
don't
want
it
torn
down.
Then
there
are
there's
another
camp
where
you
have
to
be
realistic
about
it.
Does
it
make
sense
financially
phil
you
laid
out
the
four
components
I
think
they're
excellent.
It's
got
to
make
financial
sense.
There's
got
to
be
a
place
to
move
it
to
you've
got
to
have
somebody.
That's
got
the
know-how
and
the
people
that
own
the
property
have
got
to
be
committed
to
allowing
it
to
happen,
and
I
would
agree
with
phil
right
now.
B
B
They
darn
well,
should
have
been
in
contact
with
saint
augustine's
church,
even
if
they
don't
have
everything
put
together.
How
are
they
going
to
get
it
put
together
if
they
don't
talk
with
the
church
yeah
I
mean
that's
the
problem
you
know,
and
and
so
I
I'm
just
feeling
frustrated,
I
mean
we're
sitting
up
here,
trying
to
be
responsive
to
the
historic
preservationist.
B
I
mean
we
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
yet
everything
is
kind
of
in
darkness
and
people
are
not
communicating,
and
you
know
thank
you
for
putting
an
effort
forward
to
try
to
get
it
done.
Thank
you
for
offering
to
provide
technical
support
if
there's
somebody
else
out
there,
but
it's
just
very,
very
frustrating
to
me
right
now
to
be
sitting
here
and
having
this
discussion
and
the
other
item
I
would
just
and
and
we
as
council
members
did
work
with
the
lawyers
and
we
need
to
go
back
and
talk
about.
B
B
B
I
didn't
get
any
emails
about
concern
about
the
timeline
and
what
was
being
proposed,
and
now
we
come
to
the
deadline
that
they
talked
about
at
that
meeting
and
we
don't
have
anybody
that's
able
to
come
forward.
We
have
some
people
that
are
supposedly
working
on
it,
but
we
don't
know
who
they
are
and
they
have
not
made
contact
with
church
now.
Do
you
sense
my
frustration
with
this.
B
So
I
feel,
like
we've,
made
a
commitment
to
the
church
about
a
process
that
we
outlined.
I
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
made
by
jack
porter
and
you
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
look
at
on
a
long
term
basis,
but
we
also
have
to
be
sensitive
and
recognize
property
rights,
and
when
do
you
get
to
a
point
where
you
cannot
continue
to
push
and
force
them
to
do
something
that
maybe
they
don't
want
to
do
so?
That's
my
conundrum.
B
B
At
the
point
where
I
I
believe
that
we
need
to
allow
them
to
go
forward,
but
I
would
also
ask
that
the
I
think
the
message
is
loud
and
clear
that
there's
a
failure
to
communicate
with
the
neighborhood-
and
I
think
that's
you
know
what
we
can
all
point
at
everybody
in
that
regard.
I
don't
think
anybody
everybody's
to
the
point
to
blame
for
that.
F
A
F
Just
I
appreciate
ms
sensley's
comments,
I
I
agree
I
feel
like
through
a
process.
I
made
a
commitment
that,
under
certain
circumstances,
I
would
support
the
removal.
I
think
we
can't
lose
back
to
the
lose
track
of
the
fact
that
the
the
church
agreed
to
spend
whatever
money
they
would
have
spent
on
the
demolition
towards
moving
it.
F
They
they
delayed
their
process
by
which
they
wanted
it's
in
my
interest,
as
we've
had
testimony
today
that
people
have
been
in
there,
it's
been
unlocked
and
it's
hard
to
keep
people
out
because
the
crumbling
foundations-
I
don't
want
it
up
over
the
winter,
unless
it's
going
to
be
saved.
That's
why
I
supported
this
period
of
time
and,
and
you
know
so,
my
recommendation
manager.
I
thought
we
didn't
even
have
to
act,
because
that
was
the
parameters
of
our
action.
O
A
We
have
a
a
motion,
but
I
might
make
a
couple
of
comments.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
from
mr
lillis
to
mr
ball
and
and
others
for
their
effort
in
this
regard
over
this
most
recent
past,
but
I
think,
as
mr
porter
and
and
phil
and
david
and
everybody
else
he
has
pointed
out
this.
A
This
whole
thing
is
is
a
point
of
frustration
for
me
and-
and
I
look
over
at
bob
remembering
back
in
the
90s
when
we
were
on
a
different
commission
that
helped
kind
of
guide
this
discussion.
A
And
so
it's
somewhat
frustrating
I
to
to
know
that,
and
I
will
also
say
that
I
I
tell
you
this
in
the
context
of
having
come
away
from
a
meeting
of
mayors,
where
we
spent
a
few
hours
talking
about
exactly
this.
A
How
do
we
preserve
the
historical
fabric
and
character
of
our
cities
and
without
demolishing
every
last
piece
of
it
and
what
it
means
and
listening
to
mayors
from
all
over
the
country
and
speak
with
some
level
of
frustration
about
a
lack
of
commitment
of
some
folks
to
do
this,
whether
it
be
the
corporate
side
or
the
the
citizens
side
and
sometimes
always
is
new-
is
better.
I
guess,
but
it's
also,
I
will
say
almost
I
I
had
to
laugh
because
our
meeting
was
held
in
oak
park.
A
That
has
some
very
significant
structures,
residential
character
and
they
were
talking
about
their
frustration
that
had
been
well
documented
over
150
years
and
of
trying
to
preserve
structures
and
talking
about
the
1930s
when
they
had
these
great
victorian
houses
all
over
the
place
and
some
colonials
and
others,
which
also
are
still
standing
well
preserved
in
the
middle
of
all
this.
A
Out
of
the
lack
of,
I
guess,
respect
for
some
of
what
was
going
on
a
some
goofy
guy
by
the
name
of
frank,
lloyd,
wright
decided
to
put
some
houses
up
in
the
neighborhood
that
didn't
exactly
match
the
rest
of
them
and
the
outrage
of
the
folks
over
that
particular
issue.
A
But
I
think
that
that,
as
we
discussed
the
other
night
christine,
you
know
it's
hard
for
us
to
judge
today.
What
is
you
know
significant
in
terms
of
of
of
preservation
in
the
city
of
des
moines?
I
I
the
a
number
of
structures
that
are
over
50
years
old
in
this
city.
A
A
A
I
I
think
that
that
that
structure
is
one
of
the
few
remaining
with
the
portico
over
the,
where
the
carriage
used
to
drive
under
and
and
and
let
the
owner
off
and
the
it's
an
absolute
gorgeous
house.
A
Unfortunately,
it's
hard
to
recognize,
as
you
have
to
go
in
and
out
of
what
five
different
apartments
to
try
to
sort
out
exactly
what's
going
on
in
there,
but
it
it
it
would
have
been
really
after
you
take
the
enclosures
off
that
had
covered
the
porch
and
covered
some
of
the
other
stuff.
That
really
was
significant
in
that
structure.
It
would
be
nice
to
save.
A
A
Is
I
think
4011
is
really
not
in
good
shape
and
probably
would
be
tough
to
to
preserve,
but
so
it
it
saddens
me
to
to,
I
think,
go
along
with
this.
With
this
motion,
I
would
like
to
david.
A
Try
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
move
this
ahead.
We
do
have
a
motion,
mr
mahaffey,
but
I
will
recognize
your
well.
C
AL
I
AJ
C
C
You
know
just
something
that
proves
that
we
can
use
some
of
these
older
properties
and
make
a
a
real
splash
in
the
pan,
so
to
speak.
That
really
shows
off
our
city.
So
you
know,
if
you
had
any
idea
on
you
know
a
couple
weeks
or
something
I
would
vote
for
that.
But
I
guess
we
really
don't
have
anything
to
to
rely
on
there.
So
thank.
E
A
All
right,
yes,.
A
A
All
right.
That
takes
us
to
item
51.
A
A
J
Mr
mayor
council
members,
one
of
the
elements
of
this
project
that
council
has
spoken
about
in
the
past
has
been
the
plight
of
the
residents
of
this
building.
One
of
the
directions
that
you've
established
early
on
here
is
that
we
develop
a
strong
relocation
program
to
address
the
needs
of
the
residents
there.
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
tonight
on
this
agenda
is
a
very
good
relocation
program.
J
That's
been
put
together
by
a
team
of
individuals,
matt
anderson,
mary
naderbach,
andrea
howard,
others
on
city
staff,
doug
romig,
chris
johansen
were
involved
with
a
group
of
people
from
the
community
to
put
together
a
very
good
plan.
Primary
health
care
is
has
been
hired
by
george
sherman
and
who's.
J
The
developer
of
the
project,
primary
health
care
will
work
to
coordinate
and
basically
provide
the
services
to
the
tenants
within
the
building
that
will
help
them
relocate
to
other
facilities
and
one
of
the
really
interesting
things
about
this
is
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
around
this
and
some
strong
comments
that
have
been
provided
about
it.
J
And
I'm
pleased
to
say
at
this
point
that
what
we
have
is
a
situation
where
there's
broad
support
from
the
community
at
large
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
go
about
this
and
I'll
leave
it
to
others
to
address
some
of
the
particulars,
but
just
to
indicate
that
as
of
right
now,
we're
getting
some
very
strong
indications
from
some
of
the
larger
organizations
in
town
that
they
will
in
fact
help
us
one
way
or
the
other
in
in
carrying
out
the
relocation
plan
for
this
project.
J
The
partnership,
according
to
my
partnership,
dca
united
way,
polk
county
community
foundation,
polk
county
trust,
others
have
all
have
all
stepped
up
and
said
they
are
willing
to
work
with
us
to
implement
the
program.
So
without
getting
into
all
the
details.
I
just
tell
you
that
it's,
it
feels
really
good
after
the
long
process
that
we've
gone
through
and
with
the
strong
direction
that
you
gave
us
council
in
mayor
that
we
have
a
relocation
program.
J
I'm
pleased
to
say
it's
here,
it's
part
of
the
action
tonight
and
I
think
we
have
with
us
some
strong
partners
that
will
help
ensure
the
success
of
the
program.
Ms
henson.
B
I
would
just
ask
eric's
been
sitting
out
here
patiently
all
night,
so
we
we
need
to
give
them
a
couple
of
minutes
just
to
speak.
B
I
think
you
need
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
eric
talk
about
what
you're,
because
it
is
significant.
I
would
just
underscore
what
the
city
manager
has
shared
with
us
regarding
the
support
that
we're
getting
from
the
community,
and
I
know
that
we've
all
made
contacts
and
we've
gone.
B
We've
worked
with
the
developer
everybody's
worked
together
to
come
up
with
the
support
that
we
need
to
ensure,
and
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
we
didn't
talk
about,
that
the
city
manager
did
not
make
reference
was
the
fact
that
the
plan
is
is
that
they
would
be
relocated
as
of
the
end
of
october.
I
think
it's
october
24th,
which
is
really
significant
and
it's
a
plan.
That's
not
just
to
have
them
be
moved,
but
it
has
some
long-term
sustainability
to
ensure
that
they're
going
to
be
successful
in
their
new
environment.
AF
You
eric
burmeister
executive
director
of
polk,
county
housing,
trust
fund,
108
3rd
street
suite
350
des
moines,
the
the
randolph
redevelopment
and
now
I'll
get
on
my
soapbox.
The
randolph
redevelopment
is
something
that
is
frankly
precedent.
AF
Setting
going
forward,
there
have
been
a
lot
of
people
and
I,
despite
the
fact
that
you
think
this
is
I
do
enjoy
coming
and
listening
to
these
listening
to
these
presentations
is
part
of
a
growing
concern
in
the
community
regarding
affordable
housing
and
redevelopment
and
displacement
of
affordable
housing
units
in
the
name
of
economic
development
and
in
the
name
of.
AF
This
kind
of
growth
is
something
that
the
city
is
and
will
continue
to
address
over
the
years
and
will
continue
to
address
with
the
help
of
of
of
the
community.
Not
only
the
not
only
organizations
like
the
trust
fund
but
philanthropic
organizations
like
united
way,
and
the
fact
is
that
I've
indicated
to
some
of
you
that
probably
talking
about-
and
I
heard
somebody
talk
about-
the
grand
ingersoll
corridor-
that's
the
next
challenge.
AF
AF
AF
There
looks
to
be
a
way
to
fund
that,
even
if
the
folks
in
the
community
that
some
folks
have
talked
to
don't
come
forward
with
money,
because
it
looks
like,
as
I
read
the
agreement
that
the
cost
of
relocation
will
be
included
in
the
development
cost
for
the
project.
The
polk
county
housing
trust
fund
stands
ready
to
help
by
funding
the
necessary
infrastructure.
AF
I'll
call
it
for
the
location
of
additional
housing
units
for
these
folks,
it
frankly,
is
something
that
we
need
in
the
community
and
primary
health
care
is
set
to
do
that.
We
do
have
resources
to
help
fund
that
that
particular
that
particular
activity,
not
only
for
this,
but
also
for
the
the
coordinated
intake
program
of
the
of
the
response
to
the
homeless
issues
that
we
have
as
well
so
anyway.
I'd
be
glad
to
to
take
any
questions
about
our
particular
commitment.
AF
F
We
did
it
20
years
from
now.
Concentrating
them
is
one
of
the
worst
things
that
we
do
and
we'll
really
regret
it
in
20
years.
The
second
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is,
I
think,
most
people
know
we
have
the
homeless
coordinating
council
several
of
us
serve
on
it.
I've
been
lucky
to
be
the
chair
of
it
when
this
came
before
us
in
april,
just
to
put
into
context
what
we
have
been
doing
and
talking
about.
F
We
anticipated
the
blue
letter.
The
manager's
report
said
that
it
would
be
back
for
final
consideration
in
early
june,
and
I
can
tell
you,
between
april
and
last
week,
most
of
that
time,
I've
had
every
intention
of
voting
no
on
this
project,
because
I
thought
that
we
were
shifting
an
issue
that
we
have
in
the
community
from
one
corner
and
we
were
shifting
it
to
many,
maybe
a
hundred
different
corners
that
was
going
to
create
a
real
problem
for
the
most
at
risk.
F
People
in
our
community
that
have
to
pay
their
rent
with
cash
every
week
in
other
ways,
and
so
the
work
that's
been
done
by
primary
health
care,
most
mostly
and
with
the
development
team
at
sherman,
has
changed.
The
context
of
this.
F
Mr
burmeister
said
that
this
is
precedent
setting.
I
agree
with
that,
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
precedent
that
when
we
have
development,
it
is
going
to
be
hand
in
hand
with
the
private
sector,
with
the
developers
with
the
city
and
other
interested
parties,
to
make
sure
that
we
do
this
right.
The
number
that
is
in
the
kind
of
pro
forma
about
what
is
being
spent
to
help
relocate.
F
These
individuals
is
really
just
the
what's
spent
at
the
starting
line,
but
when
they
get
tapped
into
programs
like
animals,
shelter,
plus
care
and
and
other
programs,
that
will
really
help
them
they're
going
to
have
that
assistance
month
after
month
after
month
and
hopefully
be
able
to
build
a
better
life
for
them
than
what
was
provided
for
them
in
you
know
day-to-day
rentals
at
a
randolph
hotel
that
it
best
was
tired,
but
but
at
worst
was,
was
a
horrific
place
for
us
to
store
our
neighbors.
A
I
think
we
have
a
motion
to
to
I'll.
B
A
Approve
to
to
eric's
business.
AM
Of
here,
sir,
my
name
is
frank:
ingersoll,
I'm
a
veteran,
I'm
retired,
and
this
city
doesn't
know
what
they're
doing
you
put
more
people.
I'm
talking
about
older
people
out
of
their
homes
into
nursing
homes
with
their
children,
can't
afford
than
any
group
of
people
in
the
entire
state
of
iowa
and
don't
blink.
AM
AM
As
a
christian
nation,
christians
won
world
war
ii,
we
fought
for
you
and
you
don't
know
what
you're
doing
the
common
business
practice
is.
If
you
don't
have
the
money
you
don't
spend
it.
You
hire
this
man
for
250
000
a
year
to
cover
all
your
mistakes.
You
pour
more
money
down
a
rat
hole
than
any
group
of
people,
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life,
and
you
don't
even
know.
After
all
these
years
of
having
christians
in
your
town,
what
the
bible
actually
says,
I'm
done.
AM
21
years
of
paying
on
the
same
house-
and
you
know
what
that
gave
me
gave
me
proof
that
polk
county
and
you
folks
spend
money
that
you
don't
have
you
violate
the
state
laws
of
how
much
money
that
you
can
increase
for
taxes
every
year?
Is
this
about
taxes?
This
is
about
there's
a
dime,
that's
11
cents,
I'm
gonna
leave
it
here.
That's
all
I
have
in
my
pocket.
That's
for
your
budget.
This
man
can
account
for
that.
He
knows
real
money.
AM
AM
I
am
tired
of
this.
I'm
not
gonna
come
here.
This
is
the
third
time
I
came
here.
This
is
on
the
budget.
You
don't
know
what
you're
doing
budgetarily
two,
you
don't
know
what
christianity,
it's
all
about.
You
think
homosexuality
is
a
joke.
It's
written
right
in
there
read
what
jesus
says
and
if
you
have
seen
jesus
you've
seen
god
it's
written
right
in
there
that
homosexuality
is
one
of
the
worst
things
on
the
planet
and
god
hates
it
read
the
coin.
In
god.
We
trust-
I
am
a
christian.
AM
A
6-0,
we
hope
you
all
enjoyed
this
evening.
Could
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.