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Have
I
have
the
the
that's
the.
D
It's
I
think
it's
a
they
have
chinese
there
and
then
they
have
thai,
and
I
don't
know
it's
pretty
good.
I've.
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E
A
A
D
F
Yes
and
then
lauren
sent
a.
A
D
F
Well,
in
that
particular
house
is
on
the
the
historic
homes
inglewood,
video
of
the
moments
in
englewood
history.
E
All
right
yeah,
so
would
you
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
linda.
F
E
Thank
you,
matt
crabtree,
here
lauren
cooper.
I
think
she's
going
to
be
absent
this
evening.
Cash
parker
here
jason
o'brien
here
helene
federici,
here
dave
queston
here
and
eric
sampson
is
present
and
madeline
hinkfest.
F
Yes,
a
week
ago
today
I
did
not
know
seven
pounds,
13
ounces,
19
inches
long
and
her
name
is
mara.
F
So
yeah
lauren
is
on
maternity
leave
at
the
moment
that
she's
rather
tired
with
a
week
old
baby,
so.
F
Let's
go
ahead
and
first
item,
of
course,
is
to
review
the
the
minutes
from
may
19th.
F
All
in
favor,
please
say
aye.
E
F
F
And
our
old
business
was
starting
with
16
611
and
submitting
to
the
new
city
attorney,
who
I
see
as
present
and.
C
I
I
have
to,
I
have
to
add
melinda
tamara
and
I
were
colleagues
at
my
law
firm,
but
we
never
met
because
she
came
and
went
during
the
time
of
covid.
So
I
I
commend
councilman
questa
and
his
his
colleagues
for
selecting
someone
so
obviously
bright
to
have
worked
at
our
law.
Firm.
B
Yes,
I'm
eight
days
in
and
it's
it's
really
been
a
great
experience
so
far
the
people
are
great
and
the
ability
to
contribute
to
commissions
such
as
yours
is
really
really
fulfilling.
So
I'm
glad
to
be
here
at
your
meeting
this
evening.
F
Thank
you.
Well,
as,
as
you
may
have
heard,
we've
worked
very
hard
on
rewriting
the
ordinance
that
established
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
make
it
a
little
less
vague,
and
it's
been
reviewed
by
what
four
different
attorneys
now.
F
E
And
then
so,
just
a
heads
up,
I
did
give
tamara
the
the
last
few
drafts
of
the
landmark
protection
language.
So
I
believe
she
is
ready
to
have
a
couple
comments
on
that.
B
So
now
I
am,
I
think,
the
fourth
attorney
to
review
it
in
an
official
capacity.
I
actually
drafted
a
very
similar
ordinance
in
the
last
city.
I
was
a
city
attorney
in
kansas
for
14
years
and
we
implemented
an
almost
identical
ordinance
there,
so
I've
reviewed
it
and
I've
seen
an
almost
identical
ordinance,
be
implemented
and
see
how
it
works.
C
G
No,
we
haven't
had
any
comments
that
were
incorporated
in
there
and
I'm
struggling
to
find
my
my
notes
from
that.
So
they're
somewhere.
But
you
know,
I
think
it
was.
G
C
The
and
and
anyone
jump
in
here
with
with
a
better
recollection
or
further
comments
beyond
mine,
but
the
tamara
that
the
council's
concerned,
when
we
presented
this
this
to
them
in
the
study
session,
was
that
to
make
sure
it
was
clear.
There
was
a
voluntary
process,
which
was,
I
think,
the
intent
of
the
commission
from
the
beginning
to
make
it
a
voluntary
process,
and
so
some
of
the
members
of
the
council
and
I
think
the
council
overall
we're
looking
for
some
clarifying
language
in
that
regard.
C
C
B
F
Well
and
it
the
the
last
attorney
before
you
to
review,
it
suddenly
raised
an
issue
of
whether
we
were
a
quasi-judicial
body,
and
the
council
did
not
seem
to
understand
that
by
applying
for
a
landmark
designation,
the
citizen
was
is
voluntarily.
F
Doing
that
and
that,
so
if
they
are
designated
as
a
historic
district
or
building
that
and
only
if
they
are
designated,
would
we
want
to
have
some
say
about
what
happens
to
it?
On
the
also,
there
was
a
city-wide
study
of
prior
to
rewriting
the
unified
development
code,
and
it
came
up
with
some
recommendations
and
for
a
historic
preservation,
much
of
which
we'd
already
incorporated
that
you
know
they
said
it
was
vague
as
it
was
written
and
we
needed.
F
F
That
we
might
want
to
add
that
to
the
historic
reservation
portion
and
they
referenced
several
times
the
city
of
golden
and
and
theirs
so
just
fyi
for
the
rest
of
the
commission.
I
spent
some
time
looking
at
the
city
of
golden's,
historic
preservation
board
their
their
ordinance.
There.
F
It's
kind
of
a
handbook
and
so
forth
on
certificate
of
acceptability
and
so
forth.
I'd
point
out
that
golden
is
a
clg
but,
and
he
has
several
of
the
more
interesting
parts
I've
saved
and
I've
uploaded
it
to
the
commission's
shared
google
drive
they're
in
a
folder
labeled
golden
and
I
think
cash,
I'm
not
sure
whether
golden
was
one
of
the
cities
you
looked
at
when
you
were
researching
this
to
begin
with.
C
C
B
C
Before
I
was
on
this
commission,
because
I
don't
I
don't
practice
municipal
law,
so
it's
interesting,
we
are,
and
jason
can
comment
on
this
much
further
and
in
depth
and
more
expertise
than
I
can.
But
it
was
not
our
intent
to
necessarily
present
an
ordinance
that
makes
us
a
clg,
but
it
made
sense
to
borrow.
I
think,
a
number
of
things
from
the
clg
ordinances,
which
I
think
jason
is,
is
a
lot
of
what
was
done
as
we
were
putting
this
together.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong.
G
Yeah,
that's
correct.
We
just
used
the
the
clg
template
language
from
you
know,
history
colorado,
which
is
you
know,
mostly
just
cut
and
paste
through
there.
You
know,
as
it
reflects
not
just
clgs
but
yeah
other
historic
preservation
commissions,
but
yeah.
G
Borrowed
from
that
because
no
reason
to
reinvent
the
wheel
so
and
well-established
language
and
stuff.
So
that's
probably
why
it
looks
a
lot
like
what
you've
seen
already
before
tamara.
B
F
I
wanted
to
share
a
piece
from
golden's
certificate
of
applicability,
the
opening
paragraph
of
it
so
I'm
going
to
there.
F
F
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
we
were
trying
to
clarify
with
city
council,
but.
I
Also,
we
discussed
last
time
reducing
the
application
fee
for
the
process.
F
And
yeah,
I
also
noticed
golden-
doesn't
have
an
application
fee.
I
E
So
I
have
a
just
a
brief
update
on
that
is
that
I
know
we're
going
to
be
taking
a
look
at
our
fee
schedule
which
will
ultimately
get
approved
by
city
council,
and
that
is
under
the
discussion
to
definitely
lower
that
fee.
E
A
D
So
as
it
relates
to
the
powers
of
duties
of
our
commission
being
quasi-judicial
versus
just
reviewing,
is
there
any
other
further
discussion
on
that?
I
guess
because
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
interesting
points
I
guess
brought
up
at
the
council
meeting
right.
C
B
No,
I
I
agree
if
you
are
simply
reviewing
the
facts:
analyzing
it
and
recommending
actions
for
the
council.
I
I
don't
think
you
are
acting
in
a
quasi-judicial
capacity,
you're
still
advisory.
G
Yeah,
perhaps
tamara
there'd
be
a
thing
kind
of
again
take
note
of
when
you,
if
you
watch
that
video
too,
because
I
don't
recall
that
conversation
too
well
but
yeah
that
was
specifically
for
the
you
know.
Review
of
you
know
permits
for
designated
properties
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
because
if
we
are,
you
know
doing
approvals
for
that
or
or
not,
then
that
makes
us
quasi
judicial
and
you
know
so.
G
I
think
that
some
clarity
on
what
council
was
looking
for
there
from
the
meeting,
because
I
don't
remember,
super
well,
it
kind
of
went.
You
know
around
and
stuff
like
that,
but
that
would
be
the
section
that
be
could
possibly
tip
us
into
quasi-judicial,
which
I
mean
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
preservation,
commissions
are
and
but
there's
also
things
you
have
to
be
careful
with
that.
You
know.
We'd
really
have
to
be
tight
on
robert's
rules
and
all
kinds
of
language
that
you'd
use
when,
when.
H
H
I'm
happy
to
jump
into
you
real,
quick
and
it
may
hinge
on
you
know.
Recommendation
was
the
word
that
that
matt
used
just
now
and
I'm
not
sure
what
term
was
used
in
that
conversation.
If
it
was
something
more
binding
or
something
more,
you
know
I
guess
advisory
like
recommendation
words.
So
if
I
I
tamara
I'd,
say
the
same
thing,
it
might
be
worth
reviewing
just
that
section
of
the
conversation.
H
I
think
it
was
mayor
pro
tem
sierra
who
raised
the
issue
and
it
caught
me
off
guard
too
justin
that
I
had
never
considered
it,
and
so
it
came
a
bit
out
of
left
field
for
me
and
in
all
our
conversations
we've
had
leading
up
to
this,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
ever
it
really
stumbled
across.
That
is
something
that
that
may
come
up.
H
So
that
was
one
of
the
issues
we
encountered
that
I
think
it
probably
needs
a
bit
more
clarification
just
on
what
the
city
sees
is
allowed,
and
then
I
mean
I
get
the
control
or
the
impression
that
the
the
board
wants
to
have
as
much
influence
as
possible.
So
how
can
we
obtain
that
with?
H
If
it's
a
deal
breaker
for
the
the
council
for
it
to
be
quasi-judicial,
how
can
we
get
as
much
control
as
we
can
on
the
board
and
still
stay
outside
of
that
quasi-judicial
realm
and
that
isn't
to
say
the
council
may
go
for
quasi-judicial
under
the
right
circumstances.
But
it's
certainly
the
conversation
changed
a
bit.
I
feel
like
once
we
got
into
that
area.
F
Well-
and
I
mean
part
of
it,
I
believe
is
just
we
don't
get
no
respect
on.
F
I,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
introduce
the
commission
to
the
council
and
mention
the
expertise
that
is
contained
on
the
commission.
F
Yet
it
came
across
to
me,
as
if
council
was
ready
to
substitute
their
judgment
for
hours
on
anything.
We.
F
Any
application
that
that
got
that
far,
in
which
case
I
even
have
a
historic
preservation,
division
and.
H
So
I
guess
I
to
that
note.
I
don't
think
that
your
your
takeaway
there
is
necessarily
incorrect.
I
for
what
it's
worth
I've
seen
council
look
to
keep
as
much
control
as
possible,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
that
negates
the
conversation
we
had.
But
I
guess
it's
not
necessarily
unique
either
I
would
say
for
better
or
worse,
that
probably
doesn't
make
it
any
better
though
so,
but
but
I
I
I
I
certainly
see
where.
F
Well,
and
like
I
said,
let's
look
again
at
the
the
golden
thing:
they
they
have
a
very
specific
list
of
things
they
will
or
what
their
criteria
are,
what
they,
what
they
will
look
at,
what
they
will
not
recommend
and
what
well
I
say,
let
me
share
the
screen
again.
Maybe
is
the
and.
F
What
the
the
kind
of
work
that
triggers
review
you
know:
alterations:
demolition,
new
construction,
so
forth.
What
work
is
exempt
ordinary
so
forth,
and
but
what
was
interesting?
What
tool
does
the
city
have
to
force
a
property
owner
to
go
through
a
review
and
we're
talking
a
a
property
owner
in
a
designated
historic
district?
Or
you
know,
I
mean
already
designated
property
denial
of
the
building
permit
or
denial
of
the
demolition
permit,
the
city?
I
Last
meeting
we
discussed
that
if
there
was
any
decision-making
that
happened
at
the
commission
level,
that
appeals
could
always
go
up
to
city,
council
and
so
sort
of
a
way
to
have
some
decision-making
leverage.
The
expertise
of
the
commission
have
some
teeth,
but
then
also
have
the
ultimate
decisions
that
the
appeal
level
be
with
city
council.
So
it
was
something
we
discussed
a
couple
different
ways.
Last.
F
F
F
F
So,
anyway,
what
what
is
our
consensus?
Do
we
want
to
work
on
this?
The
more
and
thank
you
tamara
for
reviewing
what
what
we've
got
already.
F
Would
you
be
ready
to
review
it
if
we
added
more
to
it?
Yes,
absolutely.
G
I
guess,
for
my
end,
I
might
as
since
you're
you're
already
looking
at
this
camera,
I'm
gonna,
you
know
review
that
meeting.
If
perhaps
before
we
add
additional
language,
if
we
can
kind
of
get
your
your
insights
on
what
they're
looking
what
the
city
was
looking
for
there
and
what
language
would
be
most
appropriate
that
way,
so
we're
not
just
adding
stuff
in
ourselves
that
I
you
know
that
you
know
then
you'll.
G
Again,
and
maybe
it's
not
the
type
of
language
we
need,
I
guess
I
guess
for
the
commission
if
people
are
okay
with
that,
that
would
kind
of
be
my
suggestion.
G
B
G
B
I
I
don't
know
that
you
need
formal
action
on
it.
If
there's
no
objection,
I
would
be
happy
to
watch
the
video
of
that
study
session.
Revise
the
proposed
ordinance.
Well,
not
an
ordinance,
yet
the
proposed
language
to
respond
to
the
concerns
raised
by
city
council
at
that
meeting,
and
then
I
could
forward
it
back
to
eric
for
distribution
back
to
your
commission.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
mean
that
works
and
also
the
information
that
melinda
just
provided
on.
I'm
sorry
that
was
golden
no
golden,
yes
yeah,
it
was
golden.
Okay,
maybe
provide
that
over
to
tamara,
also
melinda,
and
because
that
that
is
actually
there
are
some
interesting
points
that
I
don't
think
we've
seen
before.
F
Or
maybe
I'll
just
send
you
a
link
to
it
rather
than
forwarding
all
the
documents?
F
I
I
We're
not
ready
to
unveil
it
yet,
but
we
are
getting
there.
We
will
have
something
to
present
next
meeting
and
I
don't
think
we
have
much
to
update
actually
right
now,
but
we
have
had
to
kind
of
take
a
few
steps
back
and
go
back
to
the
beginning
a
little
bit.
So
it's
taken
a
little
longer.
It's
not
as
light
a
lift,
as
I
think
we
had
hoped
so
next
meeting.
I
think
we'll
have
something.
Does
that
sound
right,
matt.
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
at
least
we'll
have
a
point
where
we
can.
We
can
begin
getting
input
again
on
this
process,
so
either
from
the
commission
or
proceeding
on
to
city
council
or,
however,
the
commission
wishes.
I
So
we're
looking
at
like
a
few
different
iterations,
but
I
think
by
doing
it
that
way,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
something
that
is
more
widely,
has
more
more
input
into
it
and
is
more
widely
accepted.
I
F
Yeah,
well,
isn't
it?
Who
was
it
that
said,
insanity
is
doing
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
expecting
a
different
result,
but.
I
F
That's
called
mission
creep
or
project
creep,
concrete.
E
So
we've
got
everything
contract
wise,
finalized
on
our
end
and
then
we
kind
of
had
an
initial
little
kickoff
meeting
last
friday,
with
jason
o'brien
and
jenny
diekmann,
who
will
be
our
resource
with
the
state,
historic
society
or
the
state
stork
office
and
ashley
bushy?
Who
will
be
our
main
contact
for
opinion,
environmental?
E
Who
will
be
the
group
that
is
doing
the
historic
survey?
So
I
thought
that
kickoff
meeting
went
pretty
well
we're
going
to
plan
on
for
the
july
21st
hpc
meeting
bringing
forth
a
survey
for
you
guys
to
take
a
look
at
and
make
suggestions.
Amendments.
E
Actually,
you
know,
fill
out
the
survey
and
see
what
you
think
and
then,
from
that
point,
we're
going
to
try
to
get
that
out
into
the
community
and
get
different
perspectives
from
the
community,
about
historic
preservation
and
what
areas
they
think
might
be
historic,
etc
and
so
on,
and
also
at
the
same
time,
we're
going
to
be
working
on
organizing
a
community
event
for
the
survey
and
that
reached
out
to
a
couple
people
who
work
with
special
events
in
the
city.
E
G
Nope,
that
seems
to
capture
it
and
yeah.
Just
for
folks,
you
know
the
the
kickoff
meeting
things
really
just
kind
of
a
quick
run
through
of
the
the
contract
and
stuff
like
that.
So
that's
why
I
was
only
just
a
small
small
little
stakeholder
thing.
G
So
part
of
their
thing
is
doing
windshield
reconnaissance
surveys
so
they'll
be
part
part
of
that
survey
and
things
like
that
will
also
be
helping
them
target
certain
areas.
But
through
background
research
and
other
things
you
know
they'll
be
you
know,
walking
the
streets
and
documenting
things
and
all
that
stuff.
So
but
yeah.
A
A
G
A
F
G
H
F
G
E
Got
you
so
the
contract?
I
think
I
should
be
able
to
just
forward
that
to
you
guys.
I
mean
it's
just
basically
a
set
of
deliverables
that
opinion
is
going
to
give
for
the
city.
I
want
to
make
sure
that's
okay,
first
before
I
send
that
on,
but
I'll
look
into
that.
A
B
C
B
We
have
four
total
attorneys
in
the
office
well,
but
I
also
oversee
a
municipal
prosecution,
so
we
have
a
clerk
in
the
prosecutor's
office
and
the
prosecutor,
and
then
I
also
have
a
deputy
city
attorney
and
an
assistant
city
attorney.
So
we
do
have
an
opening.
If
you
know
anyone
anyone
that's
wanting
to
become
a
municipal
attorney,
we
do
have
an
opening
that
we
will
be
filling
soon
for
that.
C
F
Which
I
put
in
the
role
of
historic
preservation
society,
because
I
think
we
can,
I
hope
we
can
use
them
to
lobby
for
things
that
we
want,
since
the
city
seems
to
pay
more
attention
to
them
than
they
do
to
the
commission.
F
Matt,
and
I
worked
on
a
interview,
questions
for
the
englewood
magazine
summer
edition.
I
don't
know
whether
you've
seen
it.
I,
I
didn't
even
get
a
a
hard
copy
this
time
around,
but
I
did
look
it
up
online
and
there's
this
tiny
little
article
on
the
way
on
the
back
pages
and
it's
mostly
about
historic
preservation,
society.
F
The
city
does
not
seem
to
be
able
to
tell
us
apart
so
like
how
can
we
use
that?
Well,.
D
The
historic
society
you
know
we
were
around
first
starting
in
the
early
2010s,
I'm
trying
to
remember
the
exact
year
was
started,
but
it
was
because
of
the
historical
just
a
matter
of
history
for
the
folks
on
here.
It
was
largely
because
of
the
work
that
doug
cohn
did
on
the
historic
society
that
created
the
attention
with
the
city
manager
at
the
time
and
city
council
to
create
the
historic
preservation
commission.
D
It
was
always
intended
that
the
two
would
be
separate
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
would
be
kind
of
the
legislative
aspect
of
historic
affiliated
things
such
as
ordinances
and
proper
historic
designation
and
those
sort
of
things
that
a
non-profit
couldn't
do
and
then
the
inguinal
historic
preservation
society
would
continue
along
with
education,
about
the
history
in
the
city.
D
You
know
raising
awareness
for
loss
of
properties,
you
know
loss
of
historic
buildings,
but
predominantly
you
know,
our
501c3
status
is
under
largely
an
educational
side
of
things,
also
from
a
501
c
3
standpoint
to
stay
stay
safely
in
the
501
c3.
We
can't
be
affiliated
politically
with.
F
D
Kind
of
entity
or
party
or
anything
along
those
lines,
so
that
was
the
benefit
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
being
kind
of
an
arm
of
the
city
council
being
an
advisory
commission.
D
So
I
think,
there's
a
level
of
education
that
needs
to
happen
internally
within
the
city.
To
help
this
out.
There
have
been
instances
where
the
historic
society
has
been
contacted
on
on
matters.
For
you
know
that
should
have
gone
to
the
commission,
one
of
which,
being
that
article
that
that
we
received,
but
I
try
to
keep
you
involved
melinda
whenever
I
hear
anything,
but
I
think
there
is
definitely
something
that
we
need
to
help
folks
understand
the
difference
between
this.
You
know
the
non-profit,
community-oriented.
F
Yeah
and
that's
and
well
and
we've-
the
commission
has
only
existed
since
2017,
although
the
original
ordinance
to
create
it
was
passed
in
2004
and
it
was
due
to
doug
cohn's
lobbying
for
13
years.
I
guess
when
they
finally
decided
to
create
the
commission,
but
so
we're
we're
still,
let's
say
trying
to
get
the
attention
of
the
city.
I
guess
to
realize
that
yeah
we're
here
and
we're
not
the
society,
although
I
think
we're
probably
all
members
of
the
society,
but.
D
Yeah,
it's
been
a.
It
was
definitely
an
interesting
and
strange
bumpy
and
dirt
road
taken
to
get
to
where
we're
at
now,
but
melinda.
I
I
think.
Actually
one
of
one
thing
that
may
be
of
benefit
is
to
both
you
and
I
have
a
conversation,
just
kind
of
a
general
update
with
the
city
manager,
john
lewis,
and
we
can
kind
of
go
over
things
and
what
we
see
the
two,
the
two
organizations.
D
You
know
what
I
guess,
goals
to
fulfill
with
with
each
organization.
There's
going
to
be
crossover.
I
know
when
the
when
the
commission
was
voted
in
place.
It
was
even
a
question
on
the
board
with
the
england
historic
preservation
society
of
well.
What
do
we
do
now,
but
there
is.
There
is
a
clear
delineation
there
of
of
education
versus
legislative,
so
but
yeah
to
your
point
there,
there
could
be
things
that
the
historic
society
could
help
this
commission
out
with
also
so
that's
obviously
open.
Also.
F
Well,
and
that's
like
I
say
since
the
society
seems
to
have
the
the
ear
of
the
city
when
we
don't
I'd
like
for
us
to
be
able
to
call
on
this
society,
I
suppose.
F
A
I
got
it.
I
got
to
bring
something
up,
though.
I've
got
to
question
what
you're
saying,
because
just
you
can
ask
matt
the
history
of
even
the
society
working
within
the
library,
the
society
working
within
communications,
and
you
know
stories
written
beautifully
and
then,
when
they're
all
said
and
done,
five
percent
of
what
we
wrote
was
what
was
published.
A
You
know
I
mean
so
just
so
you
know,
even
though
it
may
come
across
as
that,
I
can't
say
that
society
has
had
an
even
keel
road
and
is
enough
in
front
of
everybody
any
less
than
any
one
of
us
we've
been
in
front
of
the
council
a
few
times.
I
really
don't
think
we
want
to
demean
ourselves
publicly
at
all.
It's
just
this
evolution
and
it's
very
slow.
D
What
can
I
defer
to
councilman
requesta
real
fast
and
see
what
kind
of
quick
temperature
check?
I
guess
on
this
or
his
perception
of
an
understanding
of
the
difference
between
the
the
commission
and
the
society.
H
Well,
it's
interesting
because
icu
folks
is
the
official
commission.
You
know
we
have
our
boards
in
commission
and
you
guys
are
that,
let's
call
it
sanctioned
group
by
the
city.
Now
with
the
other
group.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
comes
to
mind.
For
me,
the
other
group
is
is
doug,
cohen
has
become
you
know,
kind
of
a
the
the
figurehead
for
that
group,
and
he
speaks
at
public
comment
well
prior
to
covet
spoken
public
comments.
H
Almost
every
meeting
I
would
say-
and
he
had
you
know
some
great
stories
that
are
always
informative
on
some
portion
of
england's
history,
and
so
I
think
that
amongst
general
public-
and
you
know,
that's
a
very
blob
of
a
group
general
public,
but
I
think
that's
where
sometimes
the
the
which
group
is
which
can
can
get
a
little
bit
convoluted.
H
I
I
know
that
I
don't
believe
council
has
any
any
misconceptions
about
which
group
is
which
nor,
where
normal,
really
the
the
authority
rests
between
the
two
groups,
which
would
be
with
this
one
is
the
sanctioned?
Is
the
sanction
commission?
That's
my
take
on
it
and
you
know
I
will
tell
you
just
from.
H
I
am
no
marketing
expert,
but
the
names
are
very
similar
too,
and
I
think
that
that
is
where
sometimes
the
confusion
lies,
and
I
know
that's
a
very
basic
thing
to
state,
but
that
that
sometimes,
I
think
is
where,
where
folks,
even
knowing,
which
one
they're
speaking
of
interchangeably
use
them,
not
necessarily
realizing
that
they've
done
it.
F
Yeah,
it
is
yes
and
I'm
wondering
well
as
long
as
we're
modifying
the
ordinance.
Maybe
we
could
change
our
name
too.
I
mean
we
could
drop.
We
could
just
be
the
preservation
commission
or
something
like
that.
That
would
eliminate
some
of
that
confusion.
D
Yeah
for
that
matter,
I
can
take
this
back
to
the
board,
the
englewood
historic
preservation,
society
board
and
review
that
I
have
talked
with
a
few
folks
and
we
have
a
very
long
long
name
as
a
organization,
sometimes
truncated
as
ehps,
but
there's
there's,
possibly
the
idea
of
changing
our
name
now,
the
the
history
behind
that
is
when
we
formed
as
the
englewood
historic
preservation
society.
D
C
D
Which
ended
quite
abruptly,
but
so
kind
of
the
reforming
of
the
his
of
a
historic
society
within
inglewood.
D
We
had
to
come
up
with
a
much
different
name,
so
we
may
be
further
past
that
now
might
be
able
to
talk
to
the
rest
of
the
board
and
see
what
their
opinion
is
of
our
name.
It's
quite.
I
C
F
Three
you'd
have
to
amend
amanda
other
documents
as
well.
If
you
change
your
name.
C
D
I
D
And
that's
actually,
I
believe,
that's
our
domain
name
too.
So
you
know
because
you.
I
D
Yeah
typing
in
englewood
historic
preservation,
society
into
a
url,
is
a
little
bit
long
to
do
so.
We
chose
that
early
on,
but
yeah
I'll,
take
it
back
to
the
board
and
see
what
we
think.
It's
certainly
easier
for
us
to
change
your
name
than
the
commission
and
our
commission
is
more
in
line
with
other
cities
too.
I
believe,
with
the
nomenclature.
F
Happened
just
because
of
doug
and-
and
I
mean
god
bless
him.
I
wish
he
was
still
doing
his
moments
in
history
and
go
with
history
at
the
council
meetings
just
to
keep
it
in
in
everybody's
front
of
mind.
So,
but
I
can
see
how
he
kind
of
became
the
face
of
historic
preservation
and
that
got
in
front
of
our
faces.
F
Okay,
staff's
choice
does
that
have
something
they
want
to
say.
F
Well,
and
for
commissioner's
choice,
I
know
we
wanted
to
bring
up
that
house
on
delaware.
We
sort
of
already
discussed
it.
F
D
Know
if
there's
any
other
public
information
available
on
that
until
it
till
it
actually
gets
recorded
in
the
county
I'll
share
my
screen,
if
that's
all,
all
right
and
I'll
show
a
picture
of
the
property,
so
those
of
you
know
how
how
much
of
a
loss
this
is
going
to
be.
D
Maybe
not
you're
right,
you're
right
cj,
maybe
we'll
get
lucky,
but
this
is
the
google
street
view
of
of
the
house
beautiful.
Actually
I
mean
obviously
in
this
particular
iteration
when
they
were
painting
it,
but
it's
been
actively
taken
care
of
the
garden
in
the
back
is
beautiful.
D
It
has
wonderful
woodwork
on
the
inside
and
yeah,
so
3100
delaware.
If
you
guys
want
to
drive
by
it
and
take
a
look,
the
listing
itself,
specifically,
they
put
pictures
of
other.
D
The
listing
agent
quite
specifically-
and
I
can
read
you
the
mention
of
it
in
here-
it
was-
I
I
think
most
of
you
have
read
it.
But
okay,
it's
loading
here
on
my
phone
standby.
It
is
under
contract.
It
says
850
000.
D
whether
you're
impressed
whether
you're
just
impressed
with
this
vintage
gym
for
its
beauty,
looking
for
a
good
project
to
preserve
this
truly
unique
historic
piece
of
englewood,
real
estate
or
you're,
considering
a
new
multi-multi-family
project,
you
can't
pass
up
this
rare
opportunity
and
it
goes
on
about
the
information.
It's
quite
large,
I
believe
it's
a
hundred
foot
front
edge
and
it
said
on
just
under
one
third
acre
and
r2b
medium
density,
single
and
multi-dwelling
unit
residential
district
zoning.
A
A
A
No,
I'm
no
idea
for
because
my
whole
thing
I
wanted
to
call
them
and,
of
course,
a
whole
week
went
by.
I
only
knew
it
was
for
sale
for
a
week
and
was
to
to
tell
them
hey.
You
know,
for
you
to
be
historic.
You
know
you
already
are
you've
got
a
year
thing.
You
can
start
getting
some
tax
credit,
maybe
some
grants
let's
go
ahead
and
see
what
options
you
have
to
improve.
Your
house.
F
Well-
and
it's
is
a
five
bedroom
two
bath
house
and
they're
there.
The
pro
asking
price
is
about
the
same
as
what
they're
asking
for
half
of
one
of
the
ugly
soviet
duplexes,
who
wouldn't
rather
live
in
something
that,
like
that.
D
F
This
is
a
picture
of
the
same
house.
It's
from
about
1975
and.
F
It's
in
the
collections
of
the
public
library.
A
F
It's
in
the
public
library's
picture
collection.
I
The
idea
of
being
able
to
the
idea
of
being
able
to
approach
property
owners
and
offer
them
things
like
you
know,
there's
grants
you
can
get,
there's
tax
cuts,
stuff
like
that
sounds
good,
but
are
any
of
those
in
place.
Like
is
any
of
that
real
at
this
time?
Do
we
know
what
the
tax
credits
are?
Do
we
know
what
the
grants
are?
What
would
we
really
be
offering
properties?
I
G
Well,
it
could,
I
mean,
potentially
there
would
be
a
lot
more
information
needed
to
see
if
it
would
be.
You
know
eligible
for
the
state
or
national
register.
I
would
certainly
just
kind
of
first
architecture
in
the
craftsman
details
and
it
would
say
certainly
at
a
minimum,
the
state
you
know
don't
know
what
kind
of
alterations
have
been
made
over
time,
but
certainly
and
state
you
have
to
be
list
as
a
residence.
G
You'd
have
to
be
listed
on
the
state
register
to
get
those
residential
tax
credits
and
yeah,
and
then
there's
things
like
you
know
this,
you
know,
say
historical
fund
grants
which
you
know
they'd
have
to
partner
with
somebody,
but
those
listing
would
open
those
those
up.
I
I
think,
ultimately,
once
I
think
ultimately
like
once
the
the
new
language
that
we're
proposing
gets
worked
out
and
adapted.
Maybe
we
can
put
together
like
a
kind
of
a
kit
that
pools
all
the
resources
together
like
a
one-pager
that
we
can
people
can
find
if
they
search
for
it,
but
also
we
can
give
to
property
owners
or
real
estate
agents
just
to
put
it
in
their
hands.
I
G
Yeah,
certainly,
and
as
you
said
with
you
know,
links
to
things
the
you
know
in
history,
colorado
there's
already
a
lot
of
you
know
one
pagers
for
the
tax
credits
and
various
things
like
that.
So,
as
you
said,
it
would
probably
just
be
a
lot
of
kind
of
pulling
that
together
and
presenting
to
our
citizens
and
homeowners
and
stuff
like
that.
D
G
E
Depending
on
on
the
information
you're
looking
for,
you
can
basically
do
a
core
request
for
any
sort
of
building
permits,
that
building
or
any
sort
of
land
use
cases
that
that
community
development
has
on
file.
Have
you
heard.
E
So
I
think
back
to
to
answer
your
question
matt.
I
don't
know
about
any
other
planning
staff
members,
but
I
personally
haven't
received
any
phone
calls
regarding
that
property
or
in
any
terms
of
like
doing
a
development
review
team
meeting
for
anything.
So
as
far
as
I
know
that,
but
again
I
can't
speak
for
the
other
planners
in
the
department,
but
not
that
I'm
aware
of
nothing's
come
across
my
desk
anyway.
C
F
And
not
not
being
bought
by
somebody
who
wants
to
just
tear
it
down
when.
I
I
C
F
Well
and
that's
the
thing
it
could
have
been
a
great
selling
point
of
just
you
know,
show
the
video
show
the
historic
pictures
of
it.
You
know
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
historic
building
and
it's
in
reasonably
good
condition,
and
it's
got
a
beautiful
yard
and
garden.
D
And
and
my
my
struggle
with
this
is
they're
not
going
to
get
any
more
money
if
they
turn
it
into
a
duplex,
triplex
or
quad
plex
they're
still
going
to
get
probably
the
same
amount
of
money
as
if
it
would
just
sell
on
the
normal
open
market.
Why
is
the
real
estate
agent
going
to
such
an
extent
to
push
that
it's
fascinating.
D
Well,
I've
changed
subject.
I
do
have
one
more
thing
I
talked
with
chris
hargrath.
I
actually,
I
forgot
last
meeting
to
bring
this
up,
but
I
believe
it
was
a
meeting
before
last.
We
talked
about
plaques
and
logos
and
things
along
those
lines
had
a
great
conversation
with
chris
hargreath.
D
He
wasn't
aware
that
we
had
been
working
on
our
own
plaque,
but
was
really
excited
that
we
were
the
plaques
and
you
know
kind
of
place
making
and
he
had
a
term
for
it.
You
know
kind
of
the
historic
well,
the
historic,
plaques
they're
working
on
are
what
he
views
is
separate
from
ours,
so
we
would
still
have
our
own
plaque
is
in
his
eyes.
We
would
still
have
our
own
plaque.
D
We
would
keep
our
logo
on
that,
and
any
plaques
that
are
done
through
the
communications
department
would
be
just
simply
place,
making
for
a
historic
walking
tour
using
augmented
reality
or
qr
codes,
or
just
placing
informational,
plaques
around
the
city,
defining
historic
areas
or
historic
buildings,
and
then
we
would
have
our
plaque
on
top.
You
know
that
would
be
placed
on
the
building.
Next
to
that.
F
Well,
we
did
discuss
ourselves
in
the
last
meeting
whether
the
commission
can
actually
cover
we.
We
have
enough
funding
to
cover
the
cost
of
a
plaque
if
we've
designated
a
building.
F
And
and
of
course-
and
it's
true
and
golden
too
anything,
that's
already
on
the
state
or
national
register
is
assumed
to
be
on
our
list
also,
so
we
go
put
something
on
the
post
office
if
we
wanted
or
the
bank
right.
D
So
I
I
yeah,
I
I
think
there
was.
There
was
kind
of
the
perception
that
possibly
the
communications
department
with
the
because
there's
a
different
communications
team
now
and
then
there
was
when
we
first
started
and
likely
when
that
plaque
was
laid
out
initially
and
our
logo
was
laid
out.
So
there
was
a
perception
that
they
wanted
to
change
that,
and
chris
confirmed
with
me
that
that's
not
the
intent
at
all
that
their
their
project
is
separate
parallel
to
ours.
D
They
are
working
with
the
society
on
the
signage,
where
that's
the
intent
we
talked
about
it
early
on
and
then
the
funding
was
used
for
the
walking
tour
pamphlets,
but
there's
apparently
other
additional
funding
that
that
may
now
be
available
to
allow
for
the
actual
construction
of
plaques
or
construction
of
landmarks
or
those
little
podiums
or
whatever
around
the
city
to
define
specific
areas.
So
they,
the
communications
team,
would
likely
be
working
with
the
historic
society
on
that
on
that
project.
A
D
Yeah
and
that's
a
really
neat
idea
actually
too,
because
I
think
if,
because
you
know
the
the
walking
tour
pamphlets
that
were
sent
out,
those
had
our
logo
on
the
last
page
so
being
able
to
have
the
this.
Is
the
information
about
the
monument
and
then
next
to
it
is
the
actual
official
historic
designation.
So
you
got
the
hbc
logo
and
then
you
have
the
ehps
logo,
however,
wish
to
do
that,
but
yeah
having
the
two
parallel
to
each
other.
I
think
it's
pretty
important.
F
That's
I
mean
our
plaque
designating
it
as
our
for
designated
buildings.
I
think
has
to
be
our
plaque.
I
mean
the
commission's
plaque,
but
for
the
interpretive
educational
things
I
mean.
Education
is
also
part
of
the
commission's
mandate,
so.
F
I
If
you're
gonna
be
using
the
qr
codes
and
having
them
be
interactive
too,
there's
a
lot
of
resources
that
you
can
connect
through
there
as
well,
so
it
can
become
like
each
station
can
become
like
a
portal
to
all
the
different
stakeholders.
Who've
made
it
possible
as
well
like
like
again,
it
could
link
to
our
website.
I
keep
talking
about
our
page
on
the
website.
Is
that
happening?
Do
we
have
one,
or
is
that
just
like
a
place?
I
put
ideas
in
my
mind.
D
I
I
We
hope
I
think
we
would
make
good
use
of
it
like
we
would
link
with
your
project
there
and
we
could
link
resources
there
anyway.
I
What
could
we
do
to
to
make
that
happen
just
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
our
ideas,
kind
of
go
there
like,
even
when
we
do
eventually
open
up
the
historic
neighborhood
map
project
to
the
greater
community?
That
might
be
a
good
place
for
some
of
that
activity
like
links
to
the
form
to
submit
feedback
things
like
that
resources
for
grants
and
tax
cuts
for
for
historic,
designation
and
yeah,
like
promotion
of
what
we
do
like
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
could
do
on
a
website,
but
we'd.
E
I'd
recommend,
speaking
with
chris
hargis
in
communications,
he
would
be
the
best
person
to
be
able
to
get
a
website
on
the
inglewood
on
the
greater
city
of
inglewood
website.
Up
and
running.
E
D
Eric
would
you
mind
priming
the
conversation
on
that
one
and
then
colleen.
We
can
talk
about
this
too.
I
can
get
you
his
contact
information
separately
or
I
can
send
the
contact
information
for
chris
hargrave
technically.
I
believe
the
right
way
to
do
this
is
for
me
to
send
it
to
melinda,
and
then
she
sends
it
out
to
everybody,
because
that's
part
of
the
visibility
and
open
beating
stuff,
but
either
way
eric.
I
think,
it'd
be
helpful
if
you
could
just
kind
of
prime
him
on
it.
E
Yeah
and
then
just
to
make
it
a
quick
correction
there
for
anything
to
be
distributed
to
the
commission,
make
sure
it
goes
through
me,
as
staff
liaison.
I
I
think
that's
good,
I
mean,
I
think
we
could
think
about
it
as
a
group
two
for
the
month,
while
you
do
that
eric
and
think
about
what
content
would
be
on
there,
but
I
imagine
the
resources
we
just
talked
about
jason,
like
that.
The
different
kinds
of
incentives
updates
on
our
our
move
to
add
the
new
language.
To
the
to
the
record.
I
I
don't
know
what
else
I
mean
the
neighborhood
map
project.
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
probably
things
I
don't
know
if
we'd
want
to
ever
if
we'd
want
to
put
any
notice
up
about
something
like
the
house
on
delaware.
I
Like
I
don't
know,
if
we'd
want
to
use
the
website
to
draw
attention
to
things
like
that
or
if
we
wanted,
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
so,
maybe
like
as
a
group,
we
should
think
about
it
for
the
month
come
up
with
a
short
list
of
what
we
think
the
purpose
of
our
page
would
be
and
by
then
eric
will
have
already
laid
some
of
that
groundwork,
and
then
we
can
try
and
make
that
happen.
I
F
So,
while
you're
walking
around
look
at
these
because
you
may
not
get
another
chance
but.
G
F
I
Have
we
ever
considered
social
media
as
a
group?
Do
we
have
that
in
place.
D
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that
as
a
do
the
sunshine
laws
in
the
state
of
colorado.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
we
could
do
as
a
as
on
an
official
capacity.
I
D
D
F
I
mean
the
city
has
a
social
media
pages,
but
I
think
something
separate.
No,
you
know
if
we.
D
Do
we've
got
twitter,
we've
got
facebook
and
whatnot.
I
Maybe
we
can
just
send
ideas
over
your
way
instead
of
having
like
multiple
competing
history,
inglewood,
social
media
platforms
going
so
like.
If
we
did
want
to
draw
attention
to
the
delaware
house,
maybe
the
historic
society
could
be
doing
that.
C
B
That
that
would
be
my
recommendation
legally,
you
could
have
your
own
social
media,
there's
nothing
that
prohibits
it,
but
you
would
be
subject
to
open
records
requests
and
you
would
have
to
produce
copies
and
we'd
have
to
maintain
copies.
The
city
would
probably
want
to
run
it
through
its
departments,
so
it
would
be
my
recommendation
that
you
just
work
with
the
society
and
and
just
do
it
one
on
their
end
and
then
you'd
have
to
duplicate
efforts
or
potentially
put
out
conflicting
messages.
F
F
Places
the
society
can
go,
that
we
we
can't
and
like
calling
attention
to
the
house
on.
Delaware
is
maybe
one
of
the
the
places
it
can
go.
I
F
G
I
had
a
commissioner's
choice
thing
I
wanted
to
make
people
aware
so
may
21st
was
the
state
historic
preservation
review
board
meeting
and
the
commission
voted
unanimously
to
move
the
inglewood
hot
fellows,
building
to
the
keeper
of
the
national
register,
and
I
was
helping
them
out
with
a
quick
turnaround
because
that's
a
tax
credit
project
so
sent
that
off
the
following
week,
and
so
the
park
service
has
45
days
to
review
and
60
to
list.
So
we
should
have
another
national
register
listed
building
here
pretty
soon.
A
G
Oh
well,
I
think,
there's
like
a
one
side,
has
a
salon
there's
a
kind
of
school
like
dance
class
thing
for
children
on
the
upper
floor.
I
think
the
other
commercial
part
of
it
is
vacant
currently
but
yeah
again.
That
was
a
tax
credit
project,
so
they
did
a
lot
of
rehabilitation
on
the
interior
as
well
as
doing
things
like
they
added
an
interior
elevator
for
accessibility
and
things
like
that.
So
would
be
yeah.
That's.
C
G
Good
building
and
always
good
to
have
that
those
going
forward.
F
So
yeah
definitely
our
downtown
undesignated
historic
district
is
filling
up
with
designations.
That'll
be
great.
F
Does
someone
want
to
move
that?
We
adjourn
oh
moved.