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A
B
A
C
A
C
B
A
Okay,
cj.
A
Here,
thank
you.
Matt
here
see
helene.
E
A
All
right
and
then
chair
melinda,
is
what
I'm
gonna
call
you
tonight.
B
C
All
right,
so,
let's
come
to
order
it's
6,
33,
and
the
first
item
is
the
approval
of
minutes
for
april
21st,
which
we
already
approved
at
the
may
3rd
meeting.
F
If
I
may
really
quick,
are
we
able
to
proceed
without
a
quorum?
No,
oh,
okay!
Maybe
we're
going
that
direction!
Pardon
me.
G
A
A
And
just
for
clarification,
because
it
was
a
workshop
that
you
were
doing
and
not
a
regular
official
meeting.
That's
why
there
were
no
minutes.
A
C
Okay,
so
our
old
business
is
a
postmortem
on
the
presentation
to
city
council.
H
E
F
I
mean
I'm
not
sure
what
my
opinion
is
worth,
I'm
as
bad
as
anybody
deciding
what
those
outcomes
will
be
on
city
council,
but
I
got
the
impression
that
it's
it's
on
its
way
to
approval.
You
know
with
a
little
bit
of
cleanup
of
language,
but
I
don't
think
there
are
any
really
material
changes
that
they
wanted
that
were
outside
the
intention
of
the
group.
So
I
I
thought
it
ended
in
pretty
good
shape.
G
G
H
H
H
G
Now
helene
you
had
you
had
a
couple
interesting
ideas
about
the
quasi-judicial
aspect
of
this.
E
Well,
I
felt
like
there
might
have
been
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding
about
like
around
that
topic
in
general,
and
so
what
I
took
from
it
was
that
any
kind
of
decision-
even
if
it's
not
a
final
decision,
would
make
the
commission
quasi-judicial.
E
But
I
I
think
still
that
having
the
commission
be
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
decline.
E
Applications
is
beneficial
to
all
parties
involved,
including
community
members,
and
my
reason
for
thinking
that
is
that
the
commission
is
not
going
to
err
on
the
side
of
disqualifying
property
with
historical
significance
and
an
eager
property
owner.
E
The
commission
would
simply
not
err
on
the
side
of
declining
something
that
has
historical
significance,
but
we
don't
know
the
amount
of
applications
we'll
get,
and
I
think
that
to
have
community
members
come
to
us.
First
have
us
recommend
that
they
be
dismis,
that
it
be
declined
and
then
have
to
go
to
city
council,
repeat
their
their
efforts
and
have
city
council.
Undoubtedly
agree
with
us
seems
like
a
little
bit
of
an
extra
effort
for
city
council
and
for
the
community
members
for
us.
E
It's
the
same
amount
of
effort
and
I
think
the
concern
was
about
final
decision,
so
I
think
that
an
ideal
situation
would
be
the
commission
recommend
for
approval
the
commission
be
allowed
to
decline
or
or
disagree
with
the
historical
designation
and
determine
that
and
then
there
be
in
a
appeals
process,
so
that
city
council
retains
final
decisions,
both
approval
and
declining,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
ideal
quasi-judicial
side.
I
just
think
that
would
be
an
ideal
way
to
proceed
for
council
and
community
members
for
us.
It's
the
same.
E
We
we
hear
every
case
we
recommend
for
approval,
but
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
if
something's
not
historically
significant.
We
don't
think
it's
historically
significant
for
us
to
then
duplicate
that
appeal,
that
application
process
for
city
council
and
for
the
community
member.
H
I
didn't
think
that
that
was
that
way
that
that
was
that
discussion.
It
was
the
discussion
that
someone's
already
a
landlord
now,
what
right
so
they
want
to
destroy.
They
want
to
demolish
themselves.
That's
the
way.
I
understand
it
wasn't
the
idea
that
we
declined
someone
that
wanted
landmark
status.
It
was
the
other.
It
was
past
that
so.
G
You
know
where
possible,
I
think,
was
the
was
the
overall
kind
of
consensus
from
those
that
spoke,
but
then
there
was
also
the
question
that
the
attorney
had
brought
up
frustratingly
being
a
different
attorney
than
we
worked
with
it's
kind
of
a
kind
of
a
collection
right
now
of
attorneys
in
inglewood
that
are
stepping
in
but
his.
I,
if
I
recall
correctly,
the
attorney
present
his
his
his
comment
was
related
to.
Can
we
be
a
quasi-judicial
board?
G
Should
we
be
a
quasi-judicial
board
and
brought
up
a
number
of
things
on
that
and
to
helene's
point?
That
may
not
be
part
of
the
equation,
but
we
need
to
look
at
what
the
I
guess,
what
the
mechanics
of
this
look
like.
Can
we
deny?
G
Do
we
have
the
authority
to
deny
properties
as
a
commission
and
recommend
the
approval
of
properties
and,
of
course,
the
denial?
Obviously
that
wouldn't
take
the
time
city
council,
it
wouldn't
take
time
staff.
You
know
if
somebody
with
a
house
is
built
in
2001.
Modern
construction
comes
in
and
says
hey.
I
want
this
historically
designated
and
we
say
no.
I
don't
think
this
applies
to
the
history
of
ingowood.
That
would
save
the
city
time
now.
If
somebody
comes
in
and
they
want
to
designate
their
1920s
bungalow.
We
think
it's
a
valid
argument.
G
A
Sorry
this
is
nancy
and
I
apologize
for
interrupting,
but
for
the
record
I
just
need
to
know
that
cash
parker
has
entered
the
meeting.
G
G
So
cj
does
that
kind
of.
Does
that
make
sense
in
response
to.
G
Right,
I
mean
there's
very
few
scenarios
I
think
would
be
ever
and
and
and
and
yeah
I
mean
to
lane's
point,
and
there
are
very
few
scenarios
where
I
think
we
want
to
actively
deny
a
somebody
that
has
come
to
the
commission.
It
could
happen,
but
now
councilmember
cuesta.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that
process?.
F
Well,
if
I
had
to
play
devil's
advocate
here-
and
this
isn't
really
me
speaking
for
council-
but
just
maybe
his
other
council
members
might
see
it-
it
sounds
like,
for
instance,
member
or
excuse
me
mayor
pro
tem
sierra
was
thinking
he
would
like
that
decision
to
be
councils
on
the
approval
of
such
a
thing.
F
It
would
seem
to
me
that
that,
in
addition
to
the
approval
denying
it
is
a
decision
as
well,
you
know
I
mean
there's
two
decisions
to
make
there
it's
approver
denied,
and
so
I
could
see
them
saying
that
you
know
they
would
accept
the
recommendation
or
the
non-recommendation
for
any
one
of
these
applications,
but
it
still
goes
before
council
to
me.
It's
really
one
of
two
ways
it
could
go.
F
I
think
the
one
that
hollington
just
described
or
the
one
that
I
just
outlined
in
india
frankly,
sometimes
if
I
had
to
wage,
I
can
see
council
trying
to
fake
a
bit
more
power
whenever
they
can,
and
that
is
to
describe
them
as
a
group.
That's
always
looking
for
more
authority,
but
it
kind
of
gives
them
a
half
decision.
They
would
only
come
before
them
if
it's
a
recommendation,
but
if
it's
a
non-recommendation,
it's
it's.
Essentially
this
commission
saying
no,
and
so
that's
where
I
could
see
maybe
some
more
discussion.
E
And
then
questa
additionally,
there.
I
think
the
final
decision
either
way
goes
to
council.
So
if
the
property
owner
of
the
2001
modern
wants
to
appeal
that
decision,
it
ultimately
is
council's
decision,
but
it
would
potentially
dissuade
them
from
continuing
further.
If
the
commission
found
their
request
to
have
no
value.
F
Typically,
application
fees
are
non-refundable,
regardless
of
of
the
outcome.
E
I
mean
do
we
do
we
plan
on
having
application
fees,
because,
if
we're
trying
to
encourage
community
members
to
have
their
properties
designated
as
historically
significant,
we've
talked
about
potential
incentives.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
control
over
the
kinds
of
incentives
we
can
offer
community
members,
but
I
think
a
waived
application
fee
is
a
really
good
place.
To
start
I
mean
if
we
want
to
start
encouraging
the
community
to
participate
in
this.
E
Which
is
maybe
we
can
say
that
that
fee
is
zero,
just
to
get
the
ball
rolling
just
to
take
that
burden
off
of
the
community
members
who
want
to
participate.
G
The
the
I
think,
I'm
trying
to
think
back
to
the
discussions
we
had
because
that
was
over
a
year
ago,
but
cash-
maybe
maybe
you
can
jump
in
here
and
help
me
how
how
we
came
to
that
conclusion.
Yeah.
I
And-
and
maybe
maybe
dave
questa
can
remember
too,
because
I
think
you
were
part
of
those
discussions.
We
talked
about
that
extensively
more
than
once,
and
I
think
the
idea
was
that,
basically,
if
you,
if
you
create
a
process
like
this,
that's
going
to
require
the
building
planning
department
to
process
these
applications,
there
has
to
be
some
fee
associated
with
it
to
cover
the
cost.
That's
going
to
be
the
position
of
council
on
this,
and
so
we
went
through
different
iterations
of
that
language
before
landing
on
the
version.
I
F
I
think
that
is
correct,
that
some
sort
of
value
has
to
be
assigned
to
staff's
time,
not
even
necessarily
councils
nor
the
commissions
but
but
to
staff.
I
to
me
the
key.
There
is
also
just
making
it
as
nominal
as
possible
if
it's
a
50
application,
and
you
really
want
your
house
to
get
this,
I
would
imagine
you'll
pay
the
50
bucks,
even
risking
that
it
might
not
go
through
if
it's
call
it
500
bucks.
You
know
that
that
might
be
a
bit
more.
F
I
don't
know
worrying
for
for
some
of
the
applicants,
even
250,
I'm
trying
to
do
in
my
head.
What's
what's
that
magic
number,
where
you
know
it
can
satisfy
staff's
time
and
also
not
be
dissuasive
of
somebody
wanting
to
get
their
home
considered.
D
H
A
Sorry,
I'd
looked
it
up.
While
you
were
discussing,
the
application
fee
is
500
that
was
set
that
was
set
and
approved
by
city
council.
I
don't
know
what
year.
So,
if
the
commission
wanted
to
lower
that
fee
or
increase
the
fee,
it
would
have
to
go
back
through
his
resolution
and
council
would
need
to
approve.
G
I
remember
there
was
a
discussion
around
the
cost
for
the
plaque
and
rolling
the
cost
of
the
plaque
into
the
application
fee.
Of
course,
I
think
there
there
probably
needs
to
be
more
discussion
on
that
anyway,
because
if
it's
denied
I
mean
you're
not
paying
for
the
black,
so
you
know
but
wow
five
hundred
dollars.
E
That
would
dissuade
me,
I
wouldn't
do
it,
I
wouldn't
do
it
either.
I
just
wouldn't
do
it.
I
would
just
be
like
I
can
spend
the
500
somewhere
else.
I
mean
I
think
we
want.
Our
objective
is
to
want
the
community
to
engage
in
this
way
and
to
have
their
homes
be
given
like
historical
status,
and
I
just
wonder
if
we
can
make
it
easier.
E
F
That's
not
a
bad
idea,
and
I
can
tell
you
I
think
council
would
hear
that
number
as
well
and
realize
it
could
be
just
prohibitive
for
a
lot
of
folks.
That
would
be
interested.
F
I
was
going
to
ask
eric
I'm
not
sure
how
we
reached
500,
I
mean
that's
a
nice
round
clean
number
and
there's
no
such
thing
in
my
opinion,
is
nice
around
clean
numbers
when
it
comes
to
things
like
this,
so
it
might
be
eric.
Do
you
recall
how
we
reached
that?
Did
we
put
just
an
estimate
on
staff
time.
D
G
A
G
B
A
G
So
I
I
guess
my
argument
here
is
that
500
would
potentially
kill
the
interest
of
this
flat
out
and
that's
an
easy
way
to
summarize
it.
E
I
think
250
is
also
high.
Is
there
a
way
like?
Maybe
one
thing
we
could
do
is
like
if
the
plaques
are
included
in
that
calculation?
Let's
take
them
out,
maybe
reduce
the
fee
for
the
first
application
and
then
increase
it
for
an
appeal.
So
if
they're
denied-
and
they
want
to
appeal-
maybe
there's
like
an
additional
appeal
fee
or
something
like
that
and
parse
it
out,
so
that
more
applications
come
through
of
historically
significant
properties
that
we
are
motivated
to
protect.
E
Maybe
also
we
could
keep
the
fee
like
whatever
it
ends
up
being,
but
maybe
we
could
also
come
up
with
a
program
like
a
fee
waiver
program
too
or
some
kind
of
incentive,
or
maybe
an
incentive
for
the
first
year
after
the
language
has
been
released
so
that
fees
are
waived
for
a
year,
and
maybe
we
can
push
some
promotion
of
the
opportunity
and
try
to
get
applications
in.
G
C
C
A
F
Well,
just
quickly
the
so
I
think
I
believe
the
city
has
to
put
that
value
on
staff
time
and
in
just
an
associated
cost
there.
I
believe
that
the
historical
commission
has
x
amount
of
dollars
every
year.
We
could
make
the
plaque
part
of
that
I
mean
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
a
ton
of
applications
to
where
you
know
we
can
just
that's
when
I
think
we
could
donate.
If
you
know
that
the
commission
felt
it'd
be
one
way
to
encourage
more
people.
B
G
G
Yeah,
our
logo
is
actually
the
center
of
it.
It's
it's
got
the
outline
of
the
alexander
industries,
old
city
hall,
basically
building
a
minute,
so
I
think
it
says
inglewood
historic,
landmark,
yeah.
E
It
well,
and
so
do
we
just
try
and
write
that
in
then
like
something
like
what
we
just
discussed
and
try
and
write
it
in
and
then
see
if
we
can
pass
it
without
it
overriding
what
the
fees
are
currently.
E
F
F
You
know,
I
think
they
would
put
the
votes
next
to
each
other
if
it
wasn't
on
a
single
ordinance
and
again,
I
think
council
would
see
that
here's
this
program,
you
know,
let's
say
council's
supportive
of
it
they're
going
to
know
500
bucks
is
a
lot
of
money
for
most
citizens
and
that
that
alone
could
be
enough
to
just
almost
throw
cold
water
on
the
whole
thing,
and
so
I
would
think
the
council
would
have
a
pretty
practical
approach,
and
I
know
that
miss
fenton
mentioned
that
we'd
surveyed
some
surrounding
communities,
it
probably
worthwhile
to
find
a
community
that
does
it
near
to
50
bucks
that
we
could
point
to
than
you
know,
one
that
has
it
several
hundred
dollars.
E
And
then,
when
it
comes
to
calculating
staff
time,
if
we
as
a
commission,
are
fielding
the
applications
to
make
recommendations,
what
is
the,
what
is
staff
doing
exactly
just
out
of
curiosity
on
their
end?
So
if
it's
denied
nothing
right,
we
deny
it.
The
city
council
denies
it.
Staff
has
done
nothing
if
it's
approved
the
staff
have
to
put
it
in
the
system
or
make
a
change,
and
then
what
do
they
do?.
G
So,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
block
it
out
into
kind
of
a
workflow,
the
applications
filled
out
handed
to
somebody
and
likely
in
the
building
department
or
city
clerk's
office
or
somewhere
right
around
there,
it
then
goes
to
likely
goes
probably
a
community
development.
I
think
right
place
for
that
right.
Eric
I
mean
that's
your
department.
D
G
G
And
then
they
would,
they
would
probably
research
the
information
on
the
property
itself
check
the
application
for
completeness
verify
the
property
owner
is
actually
the
applicant
and
probably
do
some
research
with
the
county
on
the
data,
construction
and
any
kind
of
architectural
information
on
the
property,
and
then
at
that
point,
you'd
you'd
you
take
a
recommendation
either
yes
or
no
to
the
hbc.
Does
that
sound
about
right.
D
D
No,
we
can
only
deny
an
application
if
it's
incomplete,
someone
can
submit
an
application,
and
if
we,
you
know,
compare
it
to
what
the
code
is
requiring
for
a
historic
designated
property
and
if
we
find
it
doesn't
meet
those,
then
we
could
then
you
they
would
still
get
a
hearing
public
hearing
before
you
guys,
but
our
staff's
recommendation
would
most
likely
be
denial.
E
That
kind
of
goes
back
to
my
original
point,
which
is
just
that,
like
let's
say,
you're
a
community
member
you're,
the
owner
of
the
2001
modern
you
go
to
the
city,
you
pay
the
fee,
they
review
it,
they
say.
No,
we
recommend.
No,
they
come
to
us.
We
recommend
no
and
they
still
have
to
go
on
to
city
council
to
hear
a
final.
E
No,
I
wonder
if
that
again,
if
we
should
be
able
to
just
decide
no,
and
then
it
becomes
an
appeal
at
that
point
because
we're
to
have
we're
going
to
review
it
anyway,
regardless
so
should
it
should
the
journey
of
that
application.
Stop
with
us,
barring
any
future
appeal
to
that
decision.
For
denials.
C
Well,
the
actually
the
the
way
we've
written
it
are
that,
for
instance,
a
younger
property
could
be
considered
significant.
It
could
meet
one
of
those
criteria.
C
And
be
less
than
50
years
old,
but
when
the
applicant
is
looking
at
the
application
for
the
first
time
they
see
those
five.
I
believe
it
is
criteria
and
everything
and
can
argue
you
know
my
property
meets
this
one
or
if
they
realize
their
property
doesn't
meet
any
of
those,
then
they
don't
apply.
C
But
I
mean
that
that
information
is
on
the
application,
which
I
think
we
should
have
probably
included
the
draft
of
the
application
with
the
materials
that
went
to
council
because
they
obviously
don't,
let's
say,
didn't-
understand
the
difference
between,
for
instance,
applying
for
a
designation
and
applying
for
a
variance
to
make
a
change
to
an
already
designated
property.
G
I
I
think
so
actually
question
for
eric.
Is
it
possible
to
find
out
what
neighboring
communities
charge
for
the
historic
designation
application?
G
Know
but
I'd
like
to
see
the
work
on
that
and
just
kind
of
see
what
the
comparisons
are.
Do
you
think
that's
possible.
D
Yeah
yeah,
I
can
have
those
numbers
to
you
by
the
next
hpc
meeting:
okay,.
B
A
Yeah
and
as
I
said,
those
fees
were
adopted
in
2018,
so
that's
when
the
survey
was
done.
The
other
thing
I
I
would
just
interject,
which
is
a
question
for
the
city
attorney
and
I
believe,
corey
hoffman
monday
night,
addressed
this
somewhat,
but
something
to
consider
and
eric
can
certainly
follow
up
with
the
city
attorney
is
if
you're
holding
public
hearings
and
it
affects
land.
A
E
G
E
A
E
G
So
this
this
would
actually
be
the
be
specifically
for
a
public
hearing.
If
we
call
correct
a
public
hearing,
a
public
hearing
by
the
legal
definition,
it
has
to
be
public
noticed
and
to
be
public
noticed.
It
has
to
be
oddly
enough
in
the
newspaper
and
then
in
in
certain
criteria
to
nancy's
point.
There
has
to
be
a
posting
on
the
property
to
comparing
it
to
how
the
board
of
adjustments
and
appeals
operates.
G
G
I
agree
entirely
but
now
question
for
nancy
corey's
state,
ms
corey
right,
the
city
attorney
yeah.
The
acting
citizen,
corey's
opinion
was
that
if
we
have
the
authority
to
hold
a
public
hearing,
then
that
inherently
makes
us
quasi-judicial.
A
Correct
so
it
would
be
board
of
adjustment
is
the
final
authority.
So
if
we
take
planning,
commission
planning
commission
recommends
to
city
council.
So
if
there
is
a
public
hearing
before
planning
commission,
it
is
posted
in
the
paper
for
the
planning
commission
hearing,
then
it
goes
to
city
council,
and
this
is
where
cory
would
be
helpful.
A
Is
it
another
public
so
with
planning
kitchen
commission,
it's
another
public
hearing
before
city
council
and
has
to
be
published
again,
but
it
would
just
depend
on
how
city
council,
if
they
wanted
to
call
it
a
public
hearing
or
how
they're
going
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that's
a
question
for
the
city
attorney
and
then
yes,
as
far
as
you
transferring
or
transitioning
to
a
quasi-judicial
commission,
that's
another
question
for
the
city
attorney.
I
believe
your
enabling
ordinance
might
have
to
be
changed.
The
commission's
enabling
ordinance
to
give
you
that
authority.
G
One
more
question:
real
fast
is
planning
zoning,
a
quasi
judicial
board.
A
Planning
and
zoning
acts
in
a
kwaji
judicial
manner
when
they
are
hearing
land
use
cases
in
public
areas.
If
they're
just
hearing
a
change
to
title
16,
they
are
not
acting
as
a
quasi
dude
in
a
quasi-judicial
manner.
It's
only
in
those
public
when
they're
acting
at
a
public
hearing
and
they
are
making
those
recommendations,
even
though
they
make
recommendations
anyway,
it's
more
when
it's
dealing
with
land,
it's
when
they
are
in
the
quad
judicial
manner
and
cash
is
an
attorney.
So
he
may
know
some
of
these
answers.
I
Yeah
and
it's
not,
this
is
not
municipal
law
is
not
the
area
of
law
in
which
I
practice,
so
I'm
by
no
means
an
expert,
and
I'm
obviously
not
providing
legal
advice,
but
the
and
jason
would
know
the
answer
to
this
question
because
he
had
the
discussions
with
the
folks
who
were
the
acting
city
attorneys.
But
is
this
as
these
amendments
are
currently
drafted?
We
originally
had
put
in
there
a
hearing,
a
public
hearing
before
the
commission
that
was
stricken
out
and
and
it's
drafted
to
have
the
hearing
just
in
front
of
council.
I
I
think
to
eliminate
some
of
these
difficulties.
Nancy
is
referring
to
with
what
our
enabling
ordinance
have
to
be
changed.
What
would
we
have
to
do
in
terms
of
notice
requirements
and
all
that?
I
think
that's
why
it
ended
up
being
drafted
this
way
to
put
the
public
hearing
just
in
front
of
council?
B
G
Well,
what's
interesting
about
this
is
so
we
are
very
close
to
what
planning
and
zoning
does
in
this
capacity
is
and
really
actually
you
can
boil
it
down.
We
are
an
advisory
commission
and
planning,
and
zoning
is
an
advisory
commission,
but
planning
and
zoning
has
a
budget
judicial
ability
when
dealing
with
land
issues.
G
You
know,
I
think,
there'd
be
a
pretty
good
argument
there
for
us
to
be
a
similar
makeup,
whereas,
like
and
the
board
of
adjustments,
that
appeals
is
just
a
quasi-judicial
board,
that's
all
they
do,
but
planning
and
zoning
is
a
partial
one.
They
only
they
are
only
quasi-judicial.
When
they're
dealing
with
land
issues,
there
might
be
an
argument
for
us
to
have
a
similar
layout
as
planning
and
zoning.
E
I
mean
I
agree
with
matt
I
feel
like
if
we
want
to
like
really
have
an
impact
on
preserving
the
history
in
our
community
and
and
be
able
to
be
more
efficient
in
our
missions.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
those
hearings,
ultimately
the
decision
of
still
city
councils.
I
still
think
we
should
be
able
to
deny
with
the
applicant
having
the
right
to
appeal
to
city
council,
but
I
think
approval
should
have
to
go
to
city
council,
but
I
do
agree
with
matt
on
that.
I
I
So
I
yeah
I
mean,
there's
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
there's
perhaps
a
valid
reason
to
structure
it.
That
way,
and
I
I
would
imagine
I
haven't
looked
into
it.
I
would
imagine
that's
how
other
cities
are
doing
it
or
I
know
in
some
cities.
Sometimes
this
decision
is
considered
a
pure
zoning
decision.
It
goes
in
front
of
a
planning
and
zoning
commission.
C
Well,
we're
not
looking,
for
instance,
to
do
historic,
overlays
or
approve
those
sort
of
things,
that's
definitely
planning
and
zoning,
but
I
mean
this
does
seem
like.
C
G
G
So
and
it's
less
painful,
I
mean
if,
if,
if
the
poor
person
taking
the
application
has
to
go
through
ten
different
different
steps
and
four
different
committees,
that's
that's
a
lot
of
time
and
frustration
and
yeah.
B
H
C
E
Is
it
a
good
strategy
to
go
back
to
the
language,
write
things
in
the
way
that
we
we
see
as
optimum
as
a
group
and
represent
it
and
know?
Instead
of
presenting
questions
right,
we're
going
to
present
solutions,
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
solve
those
questions
amongst
ourselves.
First
and
then
present
that.
C
And
have
it
shot
down
again?
Yes,
I
wish
jason
was
able
to
be
here
tonight
because
he's
what
plugged
in
most
of
that
language.
E
F
I
would
actually
recommend
that
as
well.
I
think
the
closest
that
the
group
can
get
to
a
finished
product
that
you
know
if
the
changes
are
more
kind
of
on
a
principled
component
of
it
that
just
changed.
This
would
be
the
easiest
as
opposed
to
I
I
mean
frankly,
I
thought
you
guys
walked
out
of
there
with
with
pretty
good
guidance
as
it
was.
F
I
don't,
I
don't
think
he
walked
out
there
with
a
long
to
do
list
of
things
that
the
council
was
looking
to
change,
but
I
think
there's
been
some
more
depth
here,
as
well
as
you
guys
have
walked
through
it
and
maybe
a
bit
more
detail
to
some
of
the
things,
but
I
think
that
the
less
council
has
to
work
on
it,
the
better
in
terms
of
getting
it
through.
E
C
D
D
E
Take
a
look
at
it,
maybe
take
another
look
at
it
and
then
yeah
include
it.
What
is
our
timeline
for
resubmitting
and
for
the
next
study
session.
F
I
did
not
get
an
impression
on
that,
but
I
can
check
in
and
you
know
I
will
tell
you
guys
that
there's
a
a
pretty
big
gap
in
meetings
coming
up
counselor,
just
only
those
meetings
four
times
a
month,
so
we've
got
a
fifth
monday
in
in
may.
Then
we've
got
the
following
week
off
with
memorial
day.
They
didn't
schedule
something
for
the
tuesday,
because
we
have
monday
also
there's
a
bit
of
a
gap.
I
guess
regardless
it
could
be
in
june.
F
E
I
think
we
should
probably
wait
because
jason's
not
here,
and
I
think
we
probably
really
need
him
to
be
the
cornerstone
of
this.
B
G
I
mean
there's
a
what
I
was
going
to
say
is:
there's
a
distinct
benefit
to
doing
this
quickly
and
getting
back
in
front
of
council
quickly
so
that
they
remember
the
conversation
they
remember
and
they
don't
they
don't
go.
Oh
hey!
Well
what
what
about
this
as
some
new
topic
that
you
know
came
up
because
it
it's
the
whole
thing
settled
down,
though
I
think
june
is
too
soon
we
to
eric's
point.
We
have
to
go
back
through
the
attorney.
We
need
to
get
jason
and
lauren.
G
C
Yeah,
that's,
of
course,
assuming
we're
all
reappointed,
or
four
of
us
are
reappointed
to
the
commission
in
july.
That's
true.
A
B
A
A
She
would
be
on
board
by
your
next
meeting.
B
C
Okay,
well,
we've
probably
beaten
that
subject
to
death
now.
So,
let's
move
on
to
our
neighborhood
mapping.
C
And
is
there
any,
have
you
all
been
too
busy
to
working
on
other
things.
G
Well,
we
we
have
been
very
busy,
but
to
give
you
an
update
on
it,
it
is
we
we
are
in
progress.
We've
had
a
a
couple
evenings
that
we've
been
able
to
talk
about
over
the
phone
and
kind
of
work
on
it
remotely.
We
made
some
really
good
progress
on
one
of
those
discussions.
Some
good
notes.
We
we
need
some
more
time.
This
is
a
pretty
big,
pretty
big
project
but
helene.
What?
What
are
your?
What
are
your
thoughts
on
that.
E
Well,
one
thing
we
discussed
the
last
time
we
met
was
submitting
okay,
so
working
on
another
draft,
with
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
the
city
after
producing
that
first
draft
having
the
commission
vote
on
that
draft
and
then
submitting
that
to
the
city
council
members
not
in
an
official
way,
but
as
a
draft
through
email.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
procedural
issues
with
that,
but
I
think
we'd
like
to
get
the
city
council
members
input
earlier
than
later.
E
Have
them
give
us
some
feedback
and
then
apply
their
feedback
and
then
have
our
study
session
with
city
council
after
we've
already
applied
some
early
feedback
that'll
give
the
council
members
also
an
opportunity
to
reach
out
to
maybe
community
members
whose
input
they
value
and
get
some
of
that
up
front,
mostly
so
that
we're
not
getting
too
detailed
and
then
having
to
redo
and
redo
again
so
yeah.
That's
where
we're
at
now.
We
think
that
in
the
next
by
the
next
meeting
we
we
might
be
able
to
have
a
draft.
E
G
And
I
think
the
benefit
too
just
to
jump
in
here.
The
benefit
of
talking
to
council
about
this
is
kind
of
an
iterative
thing.
If
we
can,
if
that's
an
option,
it
was
the
point
that
mayor
olson
came
up
with
make
sure
you
know,
somebody
needs
to
make
sure
that
hampton
hills.
H
G
And
and
that
that
that
kind
of
came
out
of
left
field
there,
because
there's
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
in
that
area
that
we
you
know
without
that
feedback
we
might
not
have
might
not
have
picked
hampton
hills.
E
I
think
that'll
help
all
everyone
involved
community
members
too,
because
if
they're,
if
their,
what
would
be
their
feedback
is
already
incorporated.
Then
they
don't
have
to
be
part
of
the
firestorm.
E
I
think
community
members,
when
community
members
get
see
the
draft
that
we
that
we
present
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
with
the
feedback
like
like
just
people
living
in
their
homes
all
over
the
city,
because
when
the
city
rolled
out
the
map
a
little
early,
there
was
a
lot
of
feedback
coming.
Just
from
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
it
was
even
really
rolled
out
like
with
as
big
of
an
impact
as
it
could
as
it
could
potentially
have.
E
I
think
a
large
percentage
of
the
city
is
going
to
have
an
opinion
about
the
map,
how
many
of
those
peop
citizen
members
reach
out
or
advocate
or
whatever.
I
have
no
idea,
but
I
think
city
council
members
are
a
resource
for
us
at
this
stage
to
get
their
feedback
early,
and
maybe
some
of
that
will
be
on
behalf
of
their
community
members.
E
And
that
way
we
can
sort
of
absorb
some
of
that
now
and
then
produce
a
draft
for
a
next
layer
of
review,
after
just
a
way
to
incrementalize
it
a
little
bit
and
also
by
releasing
something
that
we
can
officially
call
a
draft
versus
releasing
something
that
we
would
say.
This
is
what
we're
we're
presenting
I'd
rather
get
input
on
a
draft
than
present
something
as
like,
even
close
to
being
final,
because
we
really
need
that
feedback
like
we.
We
can't
really
move
forward
without
more
feedback
to
be
able
to
be
better.
E
Definitely
well,
we
have
that
feedback
right.
So
if
there's
more
to
that
feedback,
we're
welcome
to
take
it,
but
I
think
we
need
more
feedback.
I
think
we
need
feedback
from
city
council
members
and
I
think
city
council
members
will
know
who,
in
their
community
might
be
great
resources
to
get
feedback
from
early
too.
G
E
G
I
and
I,
and
you
know
I
I'd-
be
careful
with
the
it's
actually
a
really
good
idea,
cj
with
the
chamber,
but
I'd
be
careful
with
bringing
this
to
them
right
now,
because
there's
both
the
chamber
and
the
downtown
development
authority.
G
Well,
the
downtown
development
party-
I
guess
hasn't
really
said
anything
specifically,
but
the
chamber
has
actually
commented
in
an
interesting
way
about
the
preservation
of
the
the
broadway
southwest
building
the
city
city
center
right
now,
and
so
anyway,
I
don't
know
we
can
ask,
but
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
expect
a
tremendous
amount
of
input
based
upon
their
response
to
the
saving
of
the
city
hall.
C
Okay
or
any
other
historic
thing
on
south
broadway,
for
instance,
yeah
yeah,
it's
there.
E
E
A
Sorry
trying
to
find
my
mute
button
again,
not
that
I'm
aware
of.
E
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
questions
or
thoughts
about
that.
C
Strategy
now,
if
we
can
get
their
attention
ahead
of
time,
it's
all
well
and
good.
G
Yeah
and
dave,
for
instance,
just
kind
of
prototype
this
real
fast.
If,
if
you
were
to
receiving
you
know
that
information
ahead
of
time,
would
you
know
who
to
talk
to
in
your
area?
Would
you
be
able
to
put
it
out
as
a
emailing
or
something
along
those
lines.
F
Sure-
and
you
know
it
might
not
hurt
to
have
work
with
staff
on
it
as
well.
You
know
to
have
it
come
through
sean's
office
to
have
sean,
you
know,
take
a
look
as
well
because
I
think
he
might
be
able
to
he
can
put
into
count
the
hands
of
council.
I
think
a
little
bit
more
directly
if
it
comes.
F
From
hpc
and
then
he
needs
to
say,
I
think
that
would
be
with
a
as
it's
presented
and
if
he
wanted,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
too
early
in
the
conversation
to
have
him,
you
know
hand
back
any
edits,
he
might
see
prior
to
it
going
to
council,
but
I
can
see
council
taking
a
look
at
our
thoughts
but
eventually
asking
for
feedback
from
staff
as
well.
So
I
guess
I
wonder:
when
do
we
want
to?
You
know
cross
each
one
of
those
bridges
we
could
give
it
our
own
shot.
E
Perfect
so
next
meeting
matt
and
I
should
have
a
draft
for
the
commission
to
review
pending
how
that
goes.
We
would
then
give
it
to
eric
to
give
to
city
council
with
some
instruction.
The
instruction
would
be
something
along.
The
lines
of
you
know,
give
us
your
input,
but
also
include
some
community
members
that
you
think
will
have
valuable
input.
E
It's
not
really
a
stage
at
which
we
want
to
open
it
up
to
everybody
because
we're
trying
to
incrementalize
it,
and
so
once
we
get
back
city
council's
feedback
and
some
of
their
some
of
the
feedback
from
the
constituents
that
they
have
reached
out
to,
then
we
will
absorb
that
feedback
apply.
It
run
it
back
through
the
commission
and
then
present
it
at
a
study
session
to
city
council,
and
at
that
point
I
think
it
could
be
like
opened
up
to
the
community
at
large
and
just
like
really
pushed
at
that
level.
E
A
C
All
right
since
lauren's-
not
here
tonight
and
probably
won't
be
here
with
us
next
month,
either
because
she'll
have
a
newborn.
C
Or
or
she'll
really
want
to
have
a
newborn
by
that
time,
but
the
scared
house
thing
is
probably
just
needs
to
be
tabled
until
such
time
as
we
have
an
approved
application
and
some
approved
process
before
we
can
go
forward
with
it.
What
does
everyone
think.
H
C
So
we'll
just
table
that
for
the
time
being,.
H
B
A
C
H
F
I'll
make
your
partner,
I'm
not
sure
either
it's
it's
a
pedestrian
bridge
in
hampton
no
no.
H
F
No
yes,
ma'am!
Thank
you.
I
I
know
what
you're
referring
to
now
and
and
fortunately
we
got
some
sort
of
grant
money
and
I
believe
it
was
from
either
cdot
or
even
federal,
and
so
that's
coming
up
pretty
quickly.
You
know
the
city
had
to
match,
but
it's
probably
a
project
that
would
not
have
gotten
underway
if
it
weren't
for
that
grant
money,
and
I
think
that
that's
one
of
our
highest
prioritized
infrastructure
projects
that
we've
got
right
now.
F
I
don't
believe
so.
No,
there
was
to
be
no
impact
to
residential,
because
a
big
component
of
this
was
not
having
to
get
into
eminent
domain
or
buying
properties
or
anything
of
that
nature.
G
There's
a
there's,
a
story
about
the
pigeons
that
live
under
the
bridge
there
at
hampton
being
a
really
serious
problem
and
has
been
apparently
a
health
issue
or
safety
issue
in
the
past.
So
I
wonder
if
that's
what
the
I
wonder
if
that'll
be
fixed
in
this
process,
that's
you
know
what
I'm.
F
Talking
about
dave,
I
can't
speak
to
the
residency
of
the
pigeons
match,
but
I
there's
probably
gonna
be
some
disruption
to
their
housing.
Yeah.
G
G
I
actually
one
of
the
times
going
under
that
bridge.
It
was
funny
there
was
a.
I
actually
hit
a
pigeon
in
my
truck
and
come
to
find
out
that
that's
not
a
abnormal
occurrence
under
driving,
underneath
the
broadway.
E
With
this
with
the
historical
designation
of
the
house,
I'm
wondering
if
once
the
new
language
does
get
voted
in
after
we
like
revise
it
once
or
twice
more.
E
Maybe
the
house
can
be
the
first
historical
designation
under
that
new
language
for
the
commission,
and
maybe
we
could
have
like
a
little
ceremony
with
the
plaque
and
maybe
push
it
promotionally
a
little
bit
raise
some
awareness
about
the
history
of
the
area
and
maybe
get
a
little
write
up
in
some
local
papers
or
something
maybe
we
can
make
like
a
whole
thing
out
of
it.
G
E
It
would
be
like
a
good
inaugural,
like
historic
designation
for
the
commission,
and
then
it
could
raise
awareness
of
the
house,
but
also
of
the
new
application
process
for
historical
designation.
B
H
C
Well
and
they,
it
can
go
on
to
be
designated
as
a
state,
historic
landmark
and
one
of
the.
C
Questions
in
the
application,
for
that
is,
is
it
a
local
landmark
at
you
know,
has
the
city
designated
it
and
that
adds
some
punch
to
the
application
for
a
state
designation.
G
It's
all
layers,
I
guess
state
city
and
then
history,
colorado
also,
you
know
their
their
involvement
in
these
processes
just
adds
a
further
layers
of
protection
and
and
recognition
for
the
properties.
D
E
Yeah
well,
we
could.
I
was
thinking
about
not
wanting
to
delay
the
historical
designation,
but
maybe
we
could
just
make
it
like
honorary
on
the
flip
side.
So
like
get
the
designation
as
soon
as
possible,
but
once
we're
our
our
language
has
been
adopted
and
that's
all
up
and
running
then
maybe
like
revisit
the
house
and
have
like
an
honorary
ceremony
with
the
plaque
and
all
of
that
to
really
to
raise
awareness
of
the
new
historic
designation
application
process.
E
So
kind
of
like
use
that,
as
like
a
noteworthy
example
of
like
what
the
program
we're
working
on
does.
Even
if
it's
just
symbolic.
C
Well
and
the
code
update,
though
the
official
code
update,
is
probably
not
going
to
be
completed
for
a
year.
C
C
That's
like
okay,
what
are
we
going
to
be
doing
with
ourselves
in
the
meantime,
but
at
least
the
committee,
that's
the
advisory
committee
or
whatever
is
planning
to
meet
every
other
tuesday
for
a
year.
C
And
by
the
way
I
I
applied
but
was
not
accepted.
C
B
F
For
what
it's
worth
melinda-
and
I
I
think
I
can't
recall
the
the
final
votes-
I
think
you
were
one
off
on
on
making
it,
but
but
you
had
my
support,
I
want
this
commission
to
know.
F
B
E
C
E
Well,
I
liked,
knowing
that
you
were
going
to
be
like
thinking
that
you
were
going
to
be
part
of
that
process,
because
I
I
thought
in
my
head
that
you'd
be
advocating
for
like
our
mission
here
too.
So
I'm
very
disappointed
to
hear
that.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
didn't
see
any
voices
for
historic
preservation
in
the
final
list.
That's.
C
I
do
know
one
of
the
people
who
was
appointed
and
so
I
can
lobby
her.
C
B
C
Do
I
I
I
I
read
in
preparing
for
that.
I
read
the
entire
assessment
report
that
you
may
remember
all
of
the.
C
Surveys
and
various
online
meetings
and
opinion
polls
and
so
forth,
and
this
condensed
everything
down,
and
I
I
was
agreeably
surprised
to
see
that
the
when
they
got
to
historic
preservation,
they
they
recommended
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we've
already
done
so,
and
they
refer
also
to
the
city
of
golden
and
cash.
Do
you
recall
that
I
golden
was
one
of
the
ones
we
looked
at
when
we
were
researching
weren't?
We.
G
Yes,
yeah
it
was
golden
was
one
of
those
one
of
the
cities.
We
looked
at
from
the
demolition
permit
standpoint
and
I
think,
from
also
from
the
historic
designation
process,
so
demolition
permit
and
historic
designation
process.
I
believe
they
were
looked
at.
B
C
It
is
I'll,
tell
you
it's
I'd,
say
it's
the
supplemental
or
yeah
complete
assessment
with
supplement
and
of
course
it
only
came
out
march
21st.
B
C
A
C
G
C
Yeah
I
it
was
like
all
right,
and
so
I
included
the
then
I
went
and
looked
up
the
adaptive,
reuse
section
and
it's
like
yeah.
We
didn't
think
of
that.
That
might
be
something
we
want
to
incorporate
and
of
course
the
other
question
is
you
know
whether
historic
preservation
should
be
as
part
of
the
udc
or
a
separate
section
all
by
itself.
G
Well,
should
we
should
we
consider
putting
this
as
point
five
for
the
sixteen
six
eleven
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
next
month,
as
put
as
make
sure
that
adapter
reuse
is
included
in
that
cause,
this
hasn't
been
passed,
yet
I
don't
believe.
Well,
it's
got
a
chapter
16.3.
C
And
so
I
mean,
I
think
we
want
to
look
at.
This
is
the
entire
thing
and
of
course
there
is
not
none
of
none
of
that
actually
exists.
G
D
You
know
I'm
looking
at
for
that
right
now.
I
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
give
me
a
minute
and
I'm
kind
of
flipping
through
here
I'll
get
back.
Okay,.
G
No,
no!
No!
No!
That
2d,
I
know
I
know
2d
very
well.
2D
was
the
property
rights
initiative
that
was
passed
by
citizen,
led
initiative
that
doesn't
have
any
relation
to
the
adaptive
reuse.
I'm
not
sure.
I
I
think
that
this
2d
must
have
affected
this
in
some
way
and.
G
And
that's
why
that
that
that
note
was
at
the
bottom
there,
but
2d
was
was
the
parking
and
property
rights
initiative?
Do
you
recall
that
melinda.
C
B
D
I'm
looking
at
the
code
now-
and
there
is
a
section
just
on
very
basic
adaptive-
reuse,
the
approval,
reuse
of
historic
buildings,
etc,
shall
be
subject
to
a
list
of
conditions,
there's
a
through
e
and
then
there's
an
editor's
note
at
the
bottom
of
the
of
this
section,
the
code
that
says
this
change
was
passed
by
initiative
ballot
question
2d
on
november
1st
2011
and
can
only
be
revised,
repealed
or
amended
by
electoral
vote.
G
No-
and
we
were
just
talking
about
that-
eric
2d
2d
related
to
private
property,
use
of
private
property,
but
all
related
to
parking
and
vehicle
use
on
private
property.
I
don't
know
how
that
would
affect
this
unless
there
was
something
in
2d.
G
So
when
2d
passed
there
was
about,
I
think
there
were
70,
no
quote
me
as,
but
I
think
there
were
77
pages
of
the
municipal
code
that
were
changed
so
it
did.
It
did
affect
a
lot
of
things
in
the
code,
so
there
might
have
been
something
in
here
that
was
removed
because
of
2d
or
amended
because
of
2d,
but
I
2d
itself.
The
wording
has
literally
nothing
to
do
with
adapter
reuse.
C
Well-
and
I
know
this
is
adaptive-
views
of
designated
historical
buildings,
which
we
don't
have
any
yet
that
at
least
that
are
designated
as
inglewood
historical
buildings.
C
G
Yeah,
I
I
it
may
take
you
a
little
bit
ten
ten
years
ago,
that
was.
G
Yeah
yeah
I'll
give
it
to
you
I'll,
get
it
to
you
here.
Thank
you.
I
I
thought.
Maybe
I
could
just
find
it
real
quick,
but
it's
going
to
take
me
a
little
bit.
C
Well,
I
think
it
must
be
in
the
current
code
somewhere
because
I
could
say
this
assessment
recommended
incorporating
it
into
the
historic
preservation
section.
So
it's
there
somewhere.
C
Or
the
language
from
it
where
we'd
be
incorporating,
but
I
thought
that
was
a
real
eye-opener.
D
Yeah,
so
just
a
quick
update
on
the
historic
survey
grant.
We
are
finalizing
contract
language
between
opinion,
environmental
and
the
city.
Again,
payne
is
gonna,
be
the
one
who's
gonna
be
performing
the
historic
survey,
so
that
is
moving
along
and
should
have
a
pretty
good
update
for
you
at
the
june.
At
the
june
meeting.
D
D
So
basically
there
will
be
kind
of
a
liaison
from
the
hpc
that
will
be
working
with
this
project,
which
I
hope
to
have
a
little
bit
more
info
about
next
time.
For
you
guys,
but
then
at
that
point
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
opinion
will
come
and
and
come
to
one
of
these
meetings.
I
know
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
public
events
around
the
survey,
so
I
do
expect
that
there
will
be
more
hpc
involvement
in
the
near
future.
C
Yeah,
I
would
hope
they're
reporting
to
us.
G
Oh
yeah,
well
that,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
reminder.
Yes,
I'm
speaking
on
tesla
again
monday
may
24th.
We
have
had
an
amazing
response
to
it.
We
basically
so
it's
obviously
a
free
event,
but
because
of
covid
restrictions
and
social
distancing
and
things
like
that,
we
people
had
rsvp
for
it.
We
filled
up
all
the
rsvp
spots
in
three
days.
G
20
20
20
yeah
january
of
2020
was
the
last
one.
We've
been
so
it's
been,
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
done
them
we're
starting
them
up
again
and
our
new
venue
is
the
service
station
tap
house
over
on
a
coma
and
service
station.
G
Do
I
do
without
you,
anyway
yeah
so
but
melinda
were
you,
were
you
gonna
be
coming.
C
C
And
be
sure
to
drive
there
in
your
tesla
too,
because
that
delorean
I
mean
I.
G
I
have
a
tesla,
also
so,
oh
so
yeah,
so
that
either
one
I
guess
would
be
appropriate
in
that
case,
right.
G
We're
going
to
try
we're
going
to
try
to
do
that.
We've
been
we've
been
trying
to
do
that
for
a
while,
there's
a
lot
of
resources
in
recording
these
and
getting
them
posted,
but
we're
going
to
give
that
a
try
this
year,
and
hopefully
this
one
will
work
the
first
time
for
this.
B
B
E
Wanted
to
add
something
to
our
list
for
next
next
meeting.
We
have
four
things
now.
I
think
the
other
thing
we
we
might
want
to
look
at
too
is
any
language
around
us,
providing
the
plaques
or
like
a
grant,
the
commission
offering
a
grant
for
the
plaques
or
whatever,
whatever
we're
calling
it.
We
didn't
put
that
on
our
to-do
list
and
I
think
that
probably
has
to
be
like
figured
out
too
as
a
fifth
item
on
the
list.
B
E
G
We're
trying
to
get
more
space
actually
so
that
we
can
accommodate
more
people
there,
but
well
yeah,
we'll
talk
here
and
see
if
I
can
simply
squeeze
you
in
and
melinda
for
that
matter
too.
If,
if
you
want
to
come,
I
think
we
could
probably
we
could
probably
squeeze
you
in
too.
G
But
that's
all
I
have
and
yeah
so.
H
H
H
C
A
great
opportunity
to
tour
around
arapahoe
acres
too.
C
All
right,
thank
you
all
for
showing
up
tonight
we
we're
not
held
to
and
absolutely
have
to
go
to
late
30.
So
if
somebody
wants
to
move,
we
adjourn
some
moved.
C
And
all
in
favor
can
say
bye.