City of Englewood, Colorado Mayor Manager Meetings, 24 Nov 2020

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I. Mayor Linda Olson and City Manager Shawn Lewis will discuss upcoming agendas for Regular Council meetings and Study Sessions.

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A

You should be good to go.

B

All right, this is uh tuesday november 24th, mayor manager, meeting it's 12, 12 p.m and in the team's meeting, is linda olsen, jade, truskett, reed, daniel sierra and sean lewis, and we all had trouble finding our way here today. So we're starting a little late is allison coming.

C

uh No she's off today, yeah uh-huh.

B

She told us that sorry, all right.

C

Well, we will get started with november 23rd. I.

A

Was actually yesterday, yeah.

C

B

C

To skip on down to.

B

You, let's start with the 23rd, why not repeat it.

C

Although it was a fine meeting but um december 7th, we've got recommendations on next steps from the citizens committee for organized waste and recycling collection, longest committee name ever so we're just going to give you an update on some of the things that the committee wants, namely to release a new rfp.

C

They think he can get some better options for that, so we just want to get council's blessing before we proceed with that. um The second item is the financial review or yeah the 2020 review for october we've got the student art calendar recognition after that recommendation to award contract to hs3 for security cameras, uh wilson and company design, engineering services for the oxford bridge.

C

uh That's the pedestrian bridge and then moving on consent. Probably is a motion to approve transit shuttle services for with envy transportation.

C

Motion to approve utility billing software, with cogsdale renewal of an agreement for engineering services and that's just on-call services in public works, renewal of a contract uh for on-call services with stanley consultants, also for on-call services and public works, and then body worn cameras.

C

So this um is about, I think, a 600 and some odd thousand uh dollar purchase. We can do that out of the bond premium dollars and still have some bond premium leftover. Actually, so that's gonna be on that agenda. We've got an easement agreement for the big dry creek project.

C

um 34. Excuse me: 3649, grant street public right-of-way built for first reading, first reading of an agreement with arapahoe county for the emergency management contract. No changes to that uh vacation of public right-of-way was swedish that second reading and then a second reading for an iga with c-dot pertaining to the dartmouth bridge over this side.

C

Anything after that jade.

A

C

Problem yeah: this is a long one, uh cb 57 water monitoring, station joint funding agreement and that's with the usgs in the city of england.

B

Those are all on consent, right, yeah, okay, yes, sorry, I was, I had my screen halfway off there. I got a center gnome all right.

C

And then farm lease for southpaw renew and then um discussion of in-person uh meetings under mayor's choice. So I think we've already assigned times to all those study sessions right, jane.

A

C

Any changes or questions there.

B

uh No, I don't think so. I'm looking forward to the police, oh, I know what the 14th well, what.

C

B

So wait a minute now we're. What are you jumping to next? Was.

C

Well, I was gonna say on the seventh. I you know, based on um our discussion with council, about some of the what I would call um clerical changes to the strategic plan we could put on consent agenda for december 7th. You know anything, that's a duplicate! Nothing! That's substantial! But anything! That's duplicated in you know multiple sections or something like that. If you would like tim, can get that ready on december 7th or the 14th. Oh wait. The 14th is the study session.

B

Yeah I'd have to be the 7th, so I don't see why we can't do that. It's just a simple thing: it's just cleaning.

C

It is, but I hope you understand why I don't want to staff, to make those changes without council blessing, because we can get in a bind if the public or council thinks that staff is starting to modify the strategic plan without you guys approval so but yeah. We can definitely do that on the 7th.

B

Nathaniel, do you think there's going to be a problem with that or putting it on consent.

B

I don't I mean last night, it was a. I think some people were confused, that it meant we didn't do things, but that's not that's not really. What was going on. It's just there's redundancy in the way we wrote it and.

C

All right we'll get it done.

C

Moving on to december 14th study session, we've got a pretty long discussion and presentation on the police, reform task, force, um police and legal have done really good work on that. So far, I'll have the off leash dog task force update, and you will have your moderator on that call he's also our the city's contract mediator, but he's moderating that discussion and then we'll have a discussion on next steps with.

C

B

Oh, um so I also.

D

Do we put the delivery apps on there potentially or do we wait until december 7th.

C

D

um Actually, is it on december, 7th.

B

It's not is it.

C

It's not apparently.

A

Not, but I can is that's the date that you guys were planning on bringing it forward. I can plan on having it on there.

C

Yeah, let's go ahead and do that I'll have to go with allison. I think that, because she and alex have already drafted that ordinance, we can definitely be ready to go by the seventh and then, if possible, we could convert the study session um to a regular so that you can vote on it. The following week.

B

C

The beauty of the emergency ordinance is that you can vote on it and it's effective immediately.

B

Yeah so we'd have it on the seventh and then we'd do the second reading on the 14th.

C

Yes, well, if you convert that study session to a regular.

B

Yeah, I I think we can do that and we are in conformance with our hopeful two meetings a month right.

D

B

um I I mentioned the points of light thing and that isn't on here either forgotten that it was police reform that night off leash dogs. um But that would be the night that we would do it. Yeah.

C

We would have we can, I think, do that end.

B

C

Or well, if you have people on the line, though you probably need to start with it, but I can't remember how you all landed on that.

D

We learned that we were going to do it.

B

We just said we were going to do it.

C

I like the idea of having people bringing people if they want to participate. um You know we can send them a link to the meeting and they just jump on.

B

C

But if we were going to do that, we really need to start with it so that they have a time.

B

B

Would we do it before public comment or we have public comment that night or not.

A

um I believe, since it would be a regular meeting um through and through, we would have public meeting if you were going to convert it into our public comment. If we were going to convert it into that, however, I would want to double check with allison. I believe, since we've moved forward with the meetings classified the way they are as special, regular or special study session meetings. I believe you can still vote um at those meetings. I would want to confirm with allison, though, but I believe that's why we classified them.

A

The way that we have been.

B

Well, I would prefer for us not to have to I mean it's going to be a long meeting. I think that's what I'm worried about. um If we do this um points of light- uh and I don't want it to- and I want to make sure we really wanted enough time for the police reforce, the dog thing is just an update. I'd be worried that that would spark a lot of concern. People will.

B

You know if we have 15 that come on public comment that night, because they think we're making a decision we're not it's a so. How do we navigate that without making it.

C

A

D

Is it just clarity, is it just clear right.

B

Yeah, the only the only voting thing is just this one thing: yes, can we just ask um allison to weigh in on that? How do we do that without having to open a regular meeting in the way that we would for a traditional, regular meeting.

C

Yeah we can check with her on that.

C

By the way you know when I say things like yeah, we can do that. Jade has been incredible because she actually makes that happen.

B

To acknowledge that yeah we meaning jade can do that.

C

Thank you, jade.

C

All right anything else.

B

C

I know staff won't have one, but I just have to say if I was going to do one for this week, it would be doug cohn who shovels about half the sidewalks on our block, including.

B

C

And he is so nice to do that. He even did my driveway this morning. I'm gonna have to get him something. Nice does.

B

He just does he shovel shovel, or does he have a snowball? No, he shovel shovels.

B

We have someone in our neighborhood that had a um snow blower and he just moved. He just sold his house, so I think everybody's bothered that they are gonna get. He would go up and down the whole long sidewalk. You know.

C

Wow all right this uh january 24th. um By the way we are going to move your wayfinding discussion decision this morning. We will have the task force meeting towards the end of december, but we are moving your next look um at the wayfinding uh to the first meeting in january, because that will um allow the committee to meet make a recommendation to council based on the public feedback that we get and give us more time. You know to get have that survey out so.

A

Would this be a study session john.

C

um Actually, no, I think it would need to be on regular. So well, you know what to finalize design. Yes, let's do study.

B

That should definitely be yeah.

C

And then we'll bring back to you just on consent. um You know the the actual manual that will be like the the bible of signs and place making.

B

Sure all the colors and the yeah.

C

Yeah, the manual is pretty comprehensive, it says locations, it's it's a you can almost use it as a bid document to give to, like you know, a sign maker and say here are the signs we want they'll make them. You know, install them here and that sort of thing. So it's a pretty complicated document, but the most important thing is for you guys to sign off on the design.

C

All right so january 4th thank you jade for adding that, um but we'll have the boarding commission handbook. First, we've slotted 10 minutes for that 30 minutes discussion.

A

Sorry, I also want to break in really quick. I believe jackie was also wanting to bring forward talking about the liaisons um for boards and commissions at this meeting, since we're talking about boarding commission handbook um would that be something you're interested in sorry? I talked with you yesterday, so it's unfortunately not on there, but.

D

42 about the boards- and I guess I'm confused.

D

A

Resolution of pointing them, um but for the liaisons for you all as liaisons to boards and commissions.

B

So it's just revisiting which ones we're on and which ones we want to be on, or is that what it is.

C

Do you guys do that on off election years.

B

No, we usually don't.

A

Oh okay, um then I guess we wouldn't need to um I apologize about that. um It was brought up between krista and jackie, so I wanted to double check about that. But if that's not something, we normally do we're happy to proceed without doing that.

B

We don't usually, but if there is anybody that needs to make a change because they're having a schedule conflict, it would be good to have them bring that up. I wonder if that could be just a quick email or maybe a reminder. I don't.

D

C

I I think joe anderson did have a conflict with two of his meeting. At the same time or close to.

B

I think they changed their times, though. Oh.

D

B

Yeah, um it was water and sewer board and keeping wood, beautiful and keeping away beautiful. He announced a few weeks ago changed their time so he's not a conflict anymore.

C

Yeah so jade, can you just have jackie or stephanie, send out an email to council about that they want to change committees and, if so, we'll put it on the agenda.

A

C

All right, um we also will have the keb holiday lighting award winners at this meeting.

B

Hang on just on my head is slow. Let's go back to that email. I don't want to instigate a change of committees by let's just say, if you're having conflict with the committee that you can't go to january, be the time to let others I don't want us to have a free-for-all, though I'd rather be on this, and rather be on that we made two-year commitments. I would hope that we could keep those and not do a shuffle.

B

So you know what I mean. I don't want to stimulate some conversation that we don't need to have.

A

So, basically, just a verification about if um anybody has any conflicts with current boards and commissions.

B

Yeah that now is the time, but we yeah and remind them. We make two-year commitments on these, but just in case somebody has a conflict. Okay, that'd be nice.

D

C

um And then we moving into public hearings on the 4th of january, we'll have the winslow crane public pud. We will have um designation of the official posting place for legal notices, that's annual that can go on consent. I think that's an annual thing um resolution appointing members to various boards and communities and commissions um police department, budget supplemental. This will be your action from the police record reform recommendations we'll need this supplemental.

C

We may actually do your whole. I don't know if we'll be ready, but we may actually do a big supplemental to kind of balance. The books for 2020 um during this as well, but I'll get with marie on that and we'll have second reading a vacation of the grant street right away.

C

We'll have a second reading of the police department. Well, that doesn't make sense. We can't have first reading and second reading on the same night of police department, budget, supplemental one of those needs to move.

B

C

And then we'll have second reading easement agreement ordinance and that's for the big dry creek project.

B

Where was the first reading of the grant street was that back in december.

B

Oh wait a minute. It says first reading on the report title I see so we have a long period in between don't we.

C

Yeah, it's just the way the meeting schedule fell.

A

The reason why it was like that is because we only had one regular meeting um at in december, and so the second next regular meeting would have been dec or would have been january. So that's why it ended up falling that way. If we do convert the next december meeting into a true regular meeting, then that second reading, I believe, would also fall back onto that meeting.

B

But wait a minute where is where's the first reading right now.

A

December 7th.

B

Okay and then the second reading is.

A

The january 4th the next following regular meeting.

B

Okay, I just thought we had scrolled down even further. We were off in the fourth sorry, okay, we're fine! I thought we were on the 11th. That's a study session. Yes,.

C

Right um anything else on the 4th.

B

C

Moving on to january 11th, we will have the presentation of unified development code assessment, outreach findings and we should have your um your survey results by then by the way brad did send out in the friday update the survey for you guys to review and give feedback on. So if you haven't taken a look at that, um go back to last week's friday update and you will have that survey, um we also have walkability in inglewood transportation, safety and resident safety. These are strategic plan, follow-ups.

C

B

The I I'm trying to figure.

B

Out, um let's see I.

B

I'm trying to figure out where this brad the thing for the walkability it's embedded in that one. I read that whole thing. How did I miss that?

B

Are you getting any responses from brad for that walkability survey.

C

uh Sorry, no, the the survey was in reference to the first item on january 11th. The unified development code assessments, outreach findings, so.

C

So the friday packet has had a couple of surveys for you guys to give comments on if you have them, but that's really related to title 16.

B

Okay, so I think I might have missed I. I know I read it, so maybe I didn't realize I'd. Do you know if he got any feedback? I guess is what I'm asking I can if he didn't, he might want to send it out in an email.

C

B

Yeah, did you fill it out with daniel.

D

B

So I I must have missed that. I know I actually was bragging about your friday things to someone again.

B

But I missed that in it uh somehow I or I forgot to do it. I don't know.

C

Well, someone's told greenwood village and I got um uh a teacher's pet joke from the city manager of greenwood village. For my friday updates like well, maybe you should just be doing it up. This is what I was thinking.

B

C

Okay, I will um get the information from brad and we'll send that out. If we haven't gotten feedback on january 19th, we've got first reading of winslow crane pud we've got the supplemental, that's going to be second reading of the police department, supplemental and the annual highway user tax fund mileage certification form that's required by cdot.

C

That, of course, just as a fyi, you probably already know this is a diminishing fund, because we have more hybrids and less people buying gas and everything else. Transportation funding is in crisis in the state uh january. 23Rd wait: okay, 23rd of 2021 got it uh that'll, be your council retreat and those three items that we had on.

C

The fourth will be good kind of lead-ins, because those are three big sections of your in your strategic plan that we'll have a chance to kind of talk through before the retreat, walkability safety and transportation um and by the way mayor, will you be asking council. Maybe after we've looked at some book options, if they, if people want to do that, um one of those.

B

Yeah, so actually that should probably go up on indus.

B

You said you were going to bring your december 7th again december 7th, so that should go uh under.

D

A

B

A

So similar to how it was last night.

B

I wonder if um we can get.

B

Could we get a like a link to the book that.

D

B

Joe had what was it strong tones and then maybe a little to segregation by design, maybe a link to the color of law.

C

Yeah we can do that and.

B

Is there anything else that that todd would recommend, because he thinks he's I know he thinks drunk towns is a good one right.

C

uh Yes, he does like that one.

B

If he knows of any others or or alternatively would be, are there any short? um Are there any articles that have been written? That would be, you know easier than reading a book for the challenged time, folks, like nathaniel who's, raising kids in online class. I like work.

C

D

I was gonna say it's so much easier uh when my son is on uh on break yeah stay in the juggle. It is easier, oh, so much easier when he's gone, yeah cause he's with his mom this week.

B

Oh, when he's with his mom yeah, I thought you meant when he's on holiday break, then you gotta be.

D

Well, it is holiday, break he's, he's on holiday, break right now,.

B

Is he really oh for november yeah for thanksgiving yeah.

D

C

So mayor, I've got strong and jade by the way I'll take care of this follow-up, um strong towns, color of law and what was the others of segregation.

A

C

And then I'll check and see if there are any others but yeah we'll get you something or.

B

Alternatively, not I don't want to add articles okay right, john or alternatively, articles um I wouldn't do both unless I'm teaching a class but.

C

Okay, we'll get it done.

B

C

So moving down jade to.

B

I think we're all the way down to the topics. Aren't we or no.

A

Oh, we just had the two february meetings afterwards, but they're pretty far out so.

C

B

C

Yeah green building code we'll be ready for that and then second pud.

B

Nice and then the little claimed ukraine pewdie. Second, that's: okay.

C

And then february 8th charter amendment for election of the mayor.

B

Oh right, so, but that's just that's a study session right.

B

Yes, yes, postponed to first study session in february, okay, great good! Is there anything under the study session topics that are needing to get slipped in.

C

We really reduce these quite a bit. These.

A

Two need to be deleted: correct.

C

Yes and then the um yeah, you guys were going to talk about the public comments at public meetings, potential changes to that totally sleeping and tobacco rated low on the survey. So it's still there, but as did aging and the dr cog stuff.

B

I need to time cheryl's visit to the doctor cog when I have to take one off for the year to be a night when the aging stuff is happening because it just gets you going, and you think, oh, my gosh, I did not know all of this. This is so important for us in our decision making.

C

Well, mayor, I don't disagree and I think this should be something that comes up as part of your strategic plan. I think it was a bit of a missing link um last year, particularly based on my conversations with you and a couple of other council members.

C

I think we should probably have at least a goal around that you know we're really lucky to have essentially two rec centers, but one really functions like a senior center and we are starting some new resources um at mali for seniors, but um you know, I really think we could be doing a bit more focus on aging issues through that.

B

I'm glad to hear you say that, so I would like to put it under mayor's choice again on the seventh.

C

Mayor's please.

B

Let's bring this up and say: would you be willing to move it into a study session so that it informs some of our strategic planning? We are so disinformed or mis or uninformed? We there is so much need here and it will continue to grow as people age in place yeah.

B

It's part of the issue about land use that those who are aging in place, which is me we're getting upset with what's happening in our neighborhoods. We need walkability. We need services that are different. um I don't know if we can, it would be really nice to get jalen to come and tell her. You know you get a 30-minute presentation of what we know from dr cogs.

C

I mean I see what you're, where you're heading with that um you know if I could suggest putting that in january, 4th as an actual st, oh you've already got two study session items there um shoot.

C

I agree, we should probably have a study session on that before so before the retreat. The other thing you could do is just put it as one of your goals you know um under I don't know exactly where that would fit. Oh well, maybe neighborhoods, but put it as a goal in your strategic plan, and then we can, you know, have a subsequent study session about that. To put more meat to the bones.

A

We also currently don't have anything planned for a study session for january 19th, um and that is right before the um retreat. If that's something that you would be interested in yeah.

C

Yeah slot it in there.

B

Maybe we call it topics to in topics to be informed on before the retreat or the workshop.

B

Let's call it a workshop city council because I guess our retreat's fine. I just want to go to the mountains for a retreat.

C

I know, and you know it's going to be zoom yeah interesting.

C

Yeah, I think that's a great idea jade um and we do you want us to go ahead and maybe reach out to dr cogg and see if they can have.

B

C

B

I mean we're going to have to get some council, I mean it still was on the list right. It was yeah council doesn't want to talk about this.

C

No, no, and now that we've covered their priority topics. I think we just move on to the list right.

B

That's what I think well daniel. What do you think.

D

I'm sorry, I missed a conversation or at least part of it. What was the point linda.

B

D

About the 18, yes,.

B

D

The first part of it but yeah I'm fine well.

B

We've we've um kind of exhausted our topics under the study session, so this was the lowest one, but I think it's time to bring it up then, because we have to be considering it in our strategic plan and in our zoning.

B

But I guess I was.

D

I'm missing something: were we opposed to bringing this up or just the fact that we just kept kicking kicking the can down the.

B

Road, it got rated really low when we did the ratings for what to bring back. It just was one of the lowest ones. Oh.

D

But that might have been because other items took higher prices.

B

You're right you're right: it's not because people aren't interested.

C

Okay and we've covered the higher priority ones. Now, we've systematically been checking.

B

And then we're all going to listen to this and think it's one of the highest priorities.

B

No, I'm choosing it's just I found I find the data to be unbelievable and uh really helpful to think about, but I think jayla and I we'll have to help her be really succinct because she likes to go on and on.

C

Gotcha all right, um we already responded to what I think was one of the only council requests last night and that was to get a list of the businesses that we sent grants to, so that you guys can do your own outreach. If you'd, like um I didn't catch any other council requests, did I miss any.

B

I didn't, I didn't catch any.

D

I didn't either.

B

I haven't yeah, I don't think there are any others from my auntie.

B

uh I have a question about whether or not bringing john douglas to a meeting at some point would be useful, dr douglas, and I guess it would be sooner than later and probably don't have time for it, but um I I know that many councils have invited him to come. Help explain um the covid dial the process, but maybe we don't need to worry about it.

B

C

B

You, oh daniel, do you think there's any.

D

I don't I don't have concern, I guess for me personally. I wouldn't need to see it, but maybe for the community at large. I think it probably would be beneficial, so it wouldn't be necessarily just for council but for the community. I think understanding it, I think, would yeah, I would say, if we're able to get them on the calendar and soon so I guess within the 20s we have in december.

D

That would make sense, and I guess december 7th out december 14th- is pretty busy as well.

B

There, you know there was a town hall last week and we haven't probably I haven't made. I just even forgot- I forgot about it, but I went to it, but I I forgot to say anything at the meeting about it the monday before, but they had 13 000 people on that town hall.

B

I don't know how many from you know englewood. I I just hopefully maybe maybe that's a better way to do it, but it was a very formative, town hall and you can actually listen to it. So it is recorded. We could. We could put it out there.

B

I don't know what the needs are for this.

D

It's an important topic, so I'd hate to dismiss it outright.

B

Yeah sean: are you doing one-to-ones with people this week at all? Are you pretty well well done because it's holidays.

C

I'm I'm missing several at the end of the week.

B

C

Holiday, so I think I don't have any.

B

C

um Oh no, I do have um joe anderson today, oh and other tomorrow,.

D

I may be canceling that one sean okay.

B

B

um Yeah I get I I don't know I. What does the seventh look like again? Can you girls go back.

D

Up well how much, how much time would we expect.

B

We have a full night.

C

Yeah, it's pretty full. It's.

B

Pretty full, um I guess we can ask it's you know, would people want some kind of a.

A

We have 20 items scheduled for the 7th so far.

A

C

B

A

Are in consent, which is a plus.

B

D

There's a lot of consent and there's a lot in second reading as well.

A

Yeah, so we got one two, three, four, oh four, five, six, seven things on consent um and then three marriage choice.

B

Oh doctor, cog, off of the mayor's choice. Sorry, my bad yeah.

A

That's fine two items on marriage choice.

D

Now we're down to 19 items.

A

And then, of course, the two uh two study session and then one update.

B

Okay, uh let's hold off on dr douglas.

B

I forget another, but let's keep it in the on the back burner of if we need to do a special event or.

B

Something did the video that I shot on friday go out yet.

C

I don't think it has, but let me text anne.

B

Maybe maybe I blew it, they have to do it again and they're afraid to tell me, because I don't want to come back.

C

Yeah, goodness knows, we don't need you to.

C

I'll check on that.

A

Okay, sorry for being a little bit out of the loop, but um for dr douglas to um join us for a discussion. What would that discussion be under? Oh.

B

Tri-County health, covid responses or covid.

B

Try counting health, culvert response yeah or what would help it might help when we start to talk about vaccinations, how they're going to roll.

B

C

Yeah, maybe slot that for january, if we're going to kind of focus on vaccinations.

B

Okay, yeah: let's just leave it there, I don't know how I mean oh danny. I don't see how we're going to add it into supper.

B

It looks terrible.

D

I was gonna say it's probably better that we you hold off on it anyway in a sense um and you'll see it.

B

D

Let's just zoom in january.

B

Yeah and the vaccination might be a good kind of shift.

D

B

All right are, we um finished, I think so all right. So it's 12.

A

I'm so sorry, um the ceac letter have you guys discussed that, or was that needed to get discussed today.

C

Oh shoot: oh yeah, the code enforcement advisory committee did forward um did want to have a policy change. We do need to get that slated.

B

We need to put that on a study.

B

C

Yeah, it's gonna be tough.

B

A

We could do possibly january 4th. I know we just slated another study session item on there. I'm not sure how long you guys expect the discussion to take, though, for this item.

B

Oh well, I would probably need to get going on it right, but that's a regular meeting that night right.

A

It would be a regular meeting.

C

Mayor, I don't know the sense of urgency on that. I think it's got broad support from and city staff, but um you know I don't know that we couldn't wait till uh january on that, but I can check.

B

Well, that is we're looking at january, you mean like later in january,.

C

A

Would you like me to tentatively add it to january 11th.

B

Sure did we said we were going to take january 25th off. Is that right.

A

Correct due to the council retreat on the 23rd yeah, okay.

B

Yeah, let's put it in there for and then let's we'll.

C

C

Sorry, if there's noise, we're cleaning ducts today, you're.

B

Cleaning ducts.

C

Ducts, yes, our air ducts were cares, cares money is paying for it actually.

B

C

B

Right, well, I think that that's all we've got okay, great all right. It's 12, 53 whoo that took a while sorry um and this meeting is adjourned.

D

B

You have a good thanksgiving, take care.