City of Englewood, Colorado Mayor Manager Meetings, 21 Jul 2020

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I. Mayor Linda Olson and City Manager Shawn Lewis will discuss upcoming agendas for Regular Council meetings and Study Sessions.

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A

We should be good to go all.

B

Right this is a mayor manager meeting and it is July 21st at 8:34 a.m. and in the room. I got a look at the participant lists: it's Alison McKinney Brown, Jade, Triscuit, read of Daniel Sierra Stephanie Carlisle and Sean Lewis and Linda Olsen.

C

Good morning, I am we're getting ready for the telephone town hall and I'm expecting some questions from Council members. If I don't already have the money in box and some additional conversations was Cheryl last night about that on the 20. Does anybody have any questions about that? I.

B

She also texted me last night, I, don't know if you texted or called at that hour, I hope, but um she was asking for a framework and I wondered if part of the problem is that people don't understand. Why we're doing this and what our point is. Do you think we're not clearly communicating that or it's that, because I think it's pretty clear from the segments that you're doing, but anyway would what do you think son.

C

Well, I think I was taking my cues from counsel. Who said you really wanted to know what the public thought. So when we started the conversation with the a can'twe with some of the 21st century policing stuff, we took those kind of broad themes and concepts. You know work that into the informational report and then divided the sections of the townhall into those kind of related sections. So.

C

Idea, I'd love to know if there's a better way to communicate that to the public the. What in the? Why maybe.

B

Maybe in in my intro to the whole thing, I can explain in case there's other confusion. I thought I thought your sections look are clearly what we asked for um and we should have responded to your. You know the questions you sent out to give some better perspective. If you want to tweak any but I I think they make sense.

B

Daniel did have you looked at him enough.

D

Over the courses themselves.

B

But the way it's set up the structure of it, there's it's, it's really get the flow of it. The topic areas and the can two questions. Then they're called yeah over the questions.

D

That was the email from last week right, Sean.

C

B

All right, well Sean, if you want to talk later about any of it, I'm glad to do that. I, don't want it to hold up anything. Okay,.

C

And hopefully I can talk to Cheryl. Also, okay, good I. Don't have an email from her this morning, but I'll I'll get with her. Today. Oh okay,.

B

Did you get mine.

C

B

Just it's just tweaking some of them. It's I thought they were fine overall.

C

Very good, moving on to the 27th, we have a study session format. We have returned to in-person meetings, mirror I, wanted to ask about this one and that I think Stephanie and I will be gathering up some information for you, guys she and Maria DeAndre do two at Maria's role with facilities have been working on some options for you all and so really that's all I was planning on communicating in the council.

C

Memo is just some of those options for returning to in person, but let me know what you and Daniel would like for that memo. To look like.

C

That's really your your decision, yeah.

B

It is I, think I. Think probably what counsel needs to know is what kind of a lift is this for you all, and how would we handle public input because I think we need to allow for people to both come face-to-face and electronically into the conversation in comments, so otherwise I mean I'm, not right now, I, don't see a huge need to go back, but we've got seven people who have their views and want to have different ways of doing it.

B

So I don't know what people are gonna think about this one way or the other, but I think they need to know what the lift is for you all.

C

B

How many people does that require to be there for that evening and.

B

What kind of cleaning would happen if people did show up face to face? How would that occur? I mean I'm sure we can distance them that big room, but people.

C

Are gonna leave.

B

Who's, just someone you have to clean after that or do we ask people just stay, put, leave and leave, or can they come and go that kind of thing I don't know.

E

B

Do you have any perspective on that I.

D

Think those are basically the questions.

D

Yeah and I don't think it needs to be much more than that. I think it's just gonna be a free-flowing conversation based on discuss last time. So.

C

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. The second item on your agenda is the water and sewer rate and fee progress update. So this will be some information, but we're find that you saw in the first presentation that have lots of different options based on your feedback. Peter and his team are really zeroing in on some of those other options. Judge Jefferson will be giving a court update on the 27th.

C

We'll also have the June 2020 financial review and discussion. Reptile 16 community outreach joint session with Planning and Zoning Commission I have had a request for from the judges office for the judge to be firsta possible and I told him. I would bring that to your two. Why um I can't remember if he had a conflict that night or not.

B

D

Don't have too much of an issue with that, although it's not like, we go long on the Financial Review. Unless there is going to be yeah.

C

I'm sure the Financial Review could be first, that's kind of your tradition, but if he could be movie. Second, that's.

B

C

My god there wasn't a notes, I guess why? Don't you pass that on to your head 19? Thank you.

D

Sean, do you know if there's gonna be any any major information within that June financial.

C

It's actually gonna be pretty positive, I mean.

E

C

Glowing, but it's actually it's actually positive, still.

D

Not negative I guess not correct. Okay, all right, so no I don't find what yeah keeping that person.

C

Moving on to August, third, we have three.

A

C

Go ahead. Sorry.

A

To interrupt, um do you guys want to discuss times before we move on or.

B

Yeah, that's and then also if we can make sure we put informational or direction on it. So we know if, if staff are asking for direction, I think we've left that off a few times will.

A

C

Thanks Jay, so for the return in-person meetings we have not estimated I can't imagine I, remember I mean our presentation will be more than you know. Seven, eight minutes, five, five to ten. Let's.

B

Say ten and then let's have a conversation: okay.

C

B

I'm or question-and-answer than anything else of you know like and I think one of the questions is how it's, obviously, because you are used temp her mama ters right when you go into work, is that right still in your offices, do you do that? We.

C

B

I think the question would be: will we do that as well? That's another question that you know as as the city councilors, do we do that as well, and what kind of precautions would be taking that area yeah.

C

B

Just thought of that yeah.

C

We actually do a temp and symptoms track. Okay,.

B

Yeah I have those that I have to do those at work too. Well, if I go in.

A

Would you like the Q&A to be 20 minutes or longer.

B

What do you think.

D

Of annual, say, yeah 10, minute presentation, 20 minute, Q&A I think we covered a lot of the points less know so I think 20 seems realistic. I.

B

Think 30 minutes is probably better huh but I.

B

Don't know I really don't know where people what people are thinking about it at this point.

D

B

D

Disagree I think I'd know where people stand do.

B

You, okay, I, think.

D

B

A bit quicker: okay, that's fine! Twenty minutes.

C

Okay and then we are projecting another 30-minute presentation on water and sewer rapey.

B

Presented to modern sewer, Berg, yes, okay,.

C

And you guys heard that last week.

B

Last week, yeah I think you're right last Tuesday.

C

And so any estimate on how much QA you would like to have a lot.

B

B

Don't I don't know, there's not a lot of new things than what we're being presented right.

C

No I think it's just gonna be digging into the options a little further. You mostly heard information last time, I think and I didn't get with Peter on this, but it seems like we should have a little shorter presentation and more discussion than we did last time. I.

B

Would prefer that I really would I think that we can, if it's really laid out, what are the options? What do we need to give feedback on if we could get it down to a 15 to very max 20-minute presentation and then does he I mean I found it a little bit hard to get the I pushed the water and Stuart's Water and Sewer board to actually give feedback, because they just sat, listened, went okay and then moved on him. Wait, wait! Wait. We need council needs your perspective on this.

B

So I think that's what we should do again. Okay,.

C

Well, try to get him down to 20 minutes on that and then maybe 30 for you all yeah.

D

But then Linda and Sean, since Linda you've already heard how different is it than the presentation that we received about a month ago, where we covered all three I to.

B

Be honest, I didn't think it was all that different, but maybe he could highlight what's really different in it.

C

Yeah, it's just really digging into the different options and what that looks like and how how we, you know rank you know, there's compared to other cities. What that will buy us I think there may be some a little more discussion with regard to. If you did this additional amount, we could actually do water taste improvements. If you did this, we could be more aggressive on that service line, and so there's some some.

B

Negative income that came to water and sewer board. So if that's the kind of stuff he can do, that's phenomenal. Let's do that I! We don't need another set of powerpoints. That explains the stuff, that's in the magazine and that we've seen we need. We need to drill down to get okay. You could have this or you could have that for this amount, I I think the water and sewer board was pretty positive about we're still way under the rates around the area.

B

And yes, it's it's unfortunate that it turned out like this, but I think those kinds of things trying to be really helpful and then, if I mean, if that's what he's looking, if you're all looking for that kind of feedback, it just is it just wasn't, set up like that before and so I think. That's if that's what you want and ask for it. Okay,.

C

Okay, well, I think we've got the estimates there and if something changes I'll, let you know beforehand and then we have estimated 10-minute presentation from George Jefferson.

B

um Probably ten minute discussion: maybe what do you think Nathaniel?

B

Well, we've got 30 minutes total. It's our did, he's kissed sure.

D

You know well I'm kind of curious, so there is gonna, be a presentation, so I guess I have to look at the presentation, because I do have a couple questions, but maybe just two without seeing a presentation yeah, let me go a little bit longer actually than 10 minutes. Well,.

B

No he's he's doing 10 minute presentation. Is that right, but is the short video part of that.

A

Correct I believe there's like a 5 minute or so video um it'll be a short video during the presentation and.

B

And correct me: if I'm wrong, Sean he's going to have data, not that's actually gonna be put in the packet, not just given to us that night gee.

C

Do you have anything on that there.

A

Is data in the council communication so it will be to you before great.

B

Because I think that's really helpful, then we can ask questions about that and I. Don't know 10 10 minute presentation if he thinks he can do that. Then a 20 minute conversation well Daniel mm-hmm.

D

All right got my son bugging me uh yeah I'm thinking, 15 or 20 minutes. What's.

B

Plan 20, then so 30 minutes overall, which is what Tamara probably put in right. Is she when she put 30 minutes in? Did she mean that was what she thought? The entire thing would take, or is that 30 minutes per piece.

A

That's what her intentions were with the 30 minutes previously, okay,.

B

C

Great and then, of course, the Financial Review sorry, the Financial Review will be obviously breathe. Why don't we usually take about five minutes on that? Oh I.

B

Think her presentations usually content yeah. It's got such great quality slides on that, um but she doesn't go over all of them, which is helpful. We can ask questions on any of them and then what 10 minutes 15 minutes discussion?

B

It might not be if it's really positive yeah.

C

I know it is positive and I, don't think we'll need too much discussion on it. 20.

B

Minutes max for the whole thing then sure.

C

It looks like we're already estimating for you on the discussion of title 16, so.

A

This was um just she was very concerned about having enough interaction time, and she also wanted to be clear about how many people would be attending this presentation. She is open to any changes if needed. Nancy is the person who normally puts these in for community development.

B

So their presentations gonna be 15 minutes. What is that going to entail? Do you think.

A

It would be introductions for the nine planning, commissioners and consultants, as well as the subjects that they would like to have. Basically the communication in the back and forth over the next 45 minutes.

B

But what's the goal of this discussion to know what they're gonna do or to ask us for feedback and what we want them to be doing, or what do you know what Shawn.

C

I'm not exactly sure what I do know is that that 45 minutes is part presentation, but they really want it to be more interactive. Jade. Is that your understanding, cracker.

B

So the consultants gonna be there with them is what you're saying yes ma'am and that's 15 minutes just to introduce all of them to.

A

Introduce the nine planning commissioners and three consultants that'll be present.

B

I would like that to take 5 minutes.

B

Take 15 minutes, introduce people right well,.

D

Who would be the nine planning? Commissioners? Are there planning and zoning committee yeah? Okay? Well, we know, don't we save.

B

Your name, we don't need I mean yeah, they I mean we'll see them up on the zoom, but I don't get what that is introductions with PowerPoint. Maybe the PowerPoint is introducing the whole topic. We can get a little bit more clarity on that. I think this is gonna, be a really important topic, so I want to make sure we know what our goal is. Is it setting it up so that they get started correctly in a way that is coherent with what we were hoping for? Or is it I?

B

Don't know what they've done so far in this, but I'm gonna take an hour in 15 minutes on this total. If we need to are.

D

At least from my perspective, I like to understand the scope of what their scope of you know, we're talking just about Residential's I know that reason we just been talking about some other changes in title 16 that involve businesses. Is that part of their scope?

D

Those are some of the questions that I would have or that I would like to see covered. It's part of this.

B

Yeah Shawn, if it could be really clear what our goal is with this session and then, let's just you know, follow follow it with. What do you need from counsel at this point? How I mean I? Hopefully this is a really building a good foundation for us working together as they go through this review.

B

So expectations are really clear from the get-go you're good.

D

And we kind of covered some of this as well Shawn right when we, this came in front of Council what in early June right, so we have some material from the City Council meeting when we approved it.

D

Okay to me, it still seems like it's an introductory meeting.

D

B

I agree I'd like us to go to the next level. What do they need from us make sure this is done really well, and what do they? What do they? Thinking of that? We need interaction around I. Think it'll be a really great point to get us working together.

C

You can make sure we get that out.

C

Yeah or we'll just outline it and in the memo itself, I think all right. Moving on to the August 3rd study session and council meeting we've got a citizen in the year update 2020 municipal traffic code, adoption communications department, update and then moving into more regular session items. We have Robyn's part to provements phase.

C

2 will have a word of contract to sell the construction for the construction of the 2020 concrete utility project, the EP ba agreement, IgA IJ with Arapahoe County for 2020, coordinated general election flood, plain language, adoption IgA with State Department of Revenue's for some sales tax software and was unanimous.

C

A

C

Think that yeah deep this software was yeah software.

B

Was thing that wasn't was the floodplain I was six to one and there's a council request on that one. So.

C

And then twenty and the next one is that little Drive, Creek Plaza drainage and flood control improvements and then you've got the reviews. Those were this agenda was shorter. When we put those on there wasn't.

B

A

Was so we did have a couple of IGS that did pop up, and that would be why it extended just a little bit.

C

Alright, any questions on these.

B

Do you know how much time all that is, we need to.

F

So the municipal traffic code, I, was thinking it would probably be a ten to fifteen minute presentation. It's a big document, but there's no way to cover it. All I thought that the three sections that council might want to discuss would be anything having to do with bicycle updates anything having to do with speed, limit updates and anything having to do with how signs are replaced at the decision of the city, engineer or signs are put up by decision of the city engineer.

F

So I thought those three things we could highlight, but there's no way I can cover a 200 page document, so I'm thinking, 15 minutes and then I'm going to send this out early to the council, because it is a large document. They can review it and as much time as you think they might want to ask questions at this study session format.

C

And then I don't think the EPA agreement will take more than you know, five to ten minutes we're just hitting the highlights of that that are different from the last one and.

A

That'll be the same for most of these there's, typically not a presentation, so people have just given a 5 minute estimate if they err is a needed presentation for it I'm just so. You are aware well.

B

The yeah it's under consent right, ok, so you've got yes on that great.

B

uh So I guess Romans Park can go somewhere else if we think this is getting too long, but we can make that decision next week too, if we want, if anything else, pops in there, but it's looking good they're making progress if.

E

We're doing the executive sessions, we just need to make sure that we've got to set up where we can do the way. We did it last time. So I just want to make sure that IT is ready for that. Yeah.

A

B

Which is we finish, everything and we go into, and we do both of them right and then come back out. That's.

E

How we did it last time? Yes right.

F

This is probably gonna be a little more complicated on the technical side, because you'll have a separate phone number for Sean and for me, I won't be in him in his executive session and he won't be in mind. So there's gonna be some callin changing things so yep with the technology folks or move one of them to the next night. I.

B

Have a question about both of those two: we have a document that we're gonna utilize. To give you feedback, that's helpful, so it's not a free-for-all. We had a review document we've used in the past. Will we use that again or something different.

C

I'm having given any thoughts of this.

F

We know the mayor, we will look around and see what we can find yeah.

B

Yeah I, don't it would be nice to have it in areas that you want feedback on and that are consistent with your job descriptions.

C

Okay I know I was I, did come across an article from ICMA, that's at helping councils evaluate. So thank you. You.

B

Sent it didn't you no.

C

Actually I was cleaning my desk and it's manager, evaluations handbook for my CMA. It's actually not an article, but I can find that and point it to you yeah. It looks like there's actually a rating form in here I've.

B

Read that I think we might have used it before no.

C

B

Not make it onerous, okay, which they can get crazy, but I think some format that helps us be really helpful. Yeah.

C

B

Lot of helping words, it's 9 o'clock I should be more awake.

C

All right Jade: can you move us down? Thank you, August 10th. We have a study session, a couple on budget Advisory, Committee 2020 annual report review, as well as the review of proposed 2021 operating and capital budget. Great.

B

That's all we do that night right. It's budget, yes,.

C

That's the plan great August 17th. We have proposed stormwater improvement projects for at South Central drainage basin, including s3. We have appointment of some associate judges in Municipal Court and you have the municipal court judge, salary, discussion.

B

Why did the judge present for that.

B

He's gonna present that and well we have the well, we have the study done or I mean well, we have the information for comparison. Then. Yes,.

C

So he's got we're using his benchmark cities that he's given and in the ones that the rest of the city used as well. Okay,.

B

And they'll both be ready at the same time. Yes, good.

E

C

Think maybe they're already ready, if not very shortly, I'm moving onto August 24th we've got study session, oops yeah propose. Oh, the capital budget will be on August 24th and then we'll have a financial review for July and amendments to tunnel 16, floodplain regulations and then September 14th building a fire code. Adoption September, 21st, title 16, floodplain regulation of in months and a public hearing on the budget and the Boggess financial review.

B

On the 14th of September, that is the only thing in our study session right now right, correct right. Could we move that to the 8th and take September 14th off I.

B

I'm, just I'm stealing an idea that o'the annual had of trying to give council a night off mayor.

D

I was gonna, bring that up last night, but then I realized August has five Mondays. So we have the 31st of August off as well. I'm.

E

D

To it, just because we had been we've multiple nights a week several times over the past two three months so but I just want to bring it to your attention that there's a fifth Monday in August, again you're.

B

Right well forget my idea, then I'm your idea. We still want we wanted in September. We still could go for it, but right.

C

B

Think we're one of the only councils that has not stopped.

B

But we've got a lot going on.

D

So just keep it as is, and then we'll just potentially bring it up. The council that's the beginning of it would.

A

You like me to add that to the upcoming um mayor choice.

B

Yeah I put it under Mayor Pro, Tem joy, so I don't get.

A

Okay, I can put it under there as.

B

An oath in you can just bring it up in your bring it up. Yeah.

D

B

Just need to be an item, we're talking about we're talking about something a month away month and a half I'm.

D

Writing it down now, but if I forget, feel free to remind me thanks, I totally.

B

Forgot last night till the meeting was over, I was thinking, you were gonna, bring it up and then I forgot.

C

Great you wanna move on the council requests. Yes,.

B

I am sorry, I didn't sleep last night, it's yeah anyway,.

C

I'm sending you one of my Red Bulls.

B

It's had a really hard time falling asleep and I. Do you know I get.

C

To bed so lately so yeah, um the council request, one that we got was from Anderson and reiterated by I, think Cuesta, maybe or maybe I'm reversing those. What is the process and criteria for having a stop sign placed in a neighborhood right.

B

Well in then, particularly that area that the citizen brought up, take a look at that one. In particular, it sounds like okay.

C

What was the intersection there? Dannic.

D

And Radcliffe is what I wrote down on it: yeah but I I'm gonna send an email to act, so they can put on their agenda yeah.

B

You know and they're. Actually she brought up a couple of Jason in Bannack Radcliffe in Bannack. There were a couple times where I wasn't sure and then once in a while, it was Broadway and I thought. Wait, I, don't know exactly what the area is. Maybe um I don't know, maybe quest. Oh I, think.

E

So member request us was, is, in general as a whole, what the process would be if people want to do that. I do feel like his was more generally speaking. What the process would look like, but I know that the other one was very specific and I also heard Banach Radcliff yeah.

C

Okay, we'll just do those as two different ones: yeah.

B

Put them both yeah put them both in great.

C

And then the other one that I'm gonna get with Rita on and I think and she said she would follow up, I think but was regarding the contract or the little dry creek flood control and how that how the DDA could potentially be, if at all affect that contract, but I'm a little sketchy on the details, so I'll get with their owner yeah.

B

It actually was brought up in the meeting ahead before this with the chamber, because Judy Browns familiar with that area, we were both on Housing Authority for a while, together in the flood area that area was concerned, we were, we were concerned about the flooding in that area, so I I guess we just need to know which comes first I mean the IGA is gonna come before the DDA for sure, and does that mean that they've got the right? We've got the right to do it.

B

Can you get sued for something you did earlier to mitigate flood? She.

F

Asked me that question during the meeting and and I thought that it might be helpful if we, if we actually put in writing an explanation of the scope of the DDA's Authority as opposed to the scope of the city's authority, because while I don't think that that one is going to impact the other I think it's it it having this new Authority, there is it's difficult to conceptualize at this level.

F

So I think this is a really good opportunity for us to better educate the council in the community on exactly what the scope of the DDA's authorities going to be in that area, because they're not going to have total control over things like flood control and other decisions. It's not like this area, secedes from the city or anything so anyway, I thought that that we would look at it from a little broader perspective.

F

C

Thanks for that clarification, Alison, I, think I, you know, I guess. I had never even thought that someone could think that, because that is not within the scope of a DDA, they do not have governmental jurisdiction. The only thing that's remotely similar is their ability to.

C

Let me let me taxes, but that still requires voter approval, but the city retains all regulatory control as well as control over infrastructure decisions. The DDA simply acts as a almost like. A recommending body to you know, provide recommendations and say here: we've got this money that we will recommend putting towards this infrastructure project, but that's totally at the discretion of the city. So I'm, sorry, if I kind of missed the point of that of the question but yeah DDA's are not ever mental they're, not city's by any means. I. Think.

B

There's still quite a bit of misunderstanding around a DDA, or maybe it's maybe it's more. You know what the interplay is with future future intent. So I don't know, I draw whatever you can write, Allison to help us see what the limits are made should probably good I just didn't see what the connection could be. I mean it'd, be like saying we put in stormwater over here.

B

Therefore, the business can't dig that deep anymore and can the business then sue for not being able to dig deep I, don't know it just I I, don't understand it either for that kind of impact, I think.

F

Everybody's conceptualizing, it just a little bit differently, so I just thought. This would give us the opportunity to get everybody on the same page and I'll work with the DDA team and come up with something and I already have asked Laureen to go back and actually pull the the two times council member Russell spoke about this pull her language, the meeting to make sure that we respond specifically to her questions as well as his answer. This broader question, yeah.

B

It might not hurt to give her a call and make sure she's um she's articulating I mean what we're hearing is, what she's really meaning to.

C

And that's all I had I.

B

Have two extras I'm wondering and I don't know if this is even possible? Is there data on off-leash hours.

B

Well, no first of all I wanted to get the 2009, but I've already asked that, but there was there is there are decisions that were made in 2009, and so, if we can find back, then we had verbatim minutes, even if you can believe that, so it should be just it's not even an odd I mean there would be an audio, what's it recorded yeah.

B

So there were some kinds of decisions about off-leash hours that were decided in 2009 and I. Think the the Unleashed folks made that clear and I can ask Jim Woodward again to look. He keeps everything if we, if you don't, if you can't find anything from the clerk's office of doing a complete review and that would be really helpful.

B

I mean I sat through really much longer meetings than last night, around people coming from both sides and then is there any way to measure the economic impact of off-leash outside without side Englewood users I mean people are making lots of claims about that. But is there any way to know whether that's? Oh we not right, certainly.

C

Not in a house there are no companies, we'd, be contact with to determine that that.

B

Would spike too small of a population to worry about I've, always worried about leakage? More than anything else that we have lots of people coming into the city? And we just don't gather their buying power in the city, particularly the employees of our hospital district. But.

F

You know, though, you know, I'm a dog person and I would never stop anywhere on the way to or from a dog park, because I'm not leaving my dogs alone in the car, and that's so so.

F

If people do have that one rare dog that they're comfortable leaving alone in a car will they get out and go into a business. I think that that would be way too small of a number for us to even conceptualize. Measuring.

F

B

You I have a dog that I would never leave in the car very long either so and I certainly wouldn't go in and sit in a bar I, don't know if we have bars that have dog friendliness or not, but maybe we do yeah I guess I haven't gone to them with dogs so but I there was something else around. The off-leash I wanted to ask and I can't find my notes. So if I think of it, I'll bring it back later, but I think.

F

That mayor I wanted to jump in on that there was a discussion and the media was going so late last night. I did not want to interrupt in any way, but one of the council members suggested that what we needed to do to proceed forward was send fine reviews to the ceac and another council. Member wasn't sure that that would be helpful. The the fines are set by the judge and that's by code, so I'm not exactly sure what the role of the code enforcement Advisory Committee was supposed to be.

F

I was almost wondering if we might need to do a quick informational, probably just memo to council, letting them understand the separation of powers between the court in the city on those kinds of issues. I.

B

Certainly would appreciate that I felt a little uncomfortable with that as well. I just needed to know what the fines were, I couldn't find them. Fifty hundred hundred fifty, it seems to be what they are. I do have a question about that, though. Maybe it is a council request when we do we're doing masking, we were gonna, just set them and they've just got set forward on what was it fifteen dollars and twenty five dollars.

B

It seems like we don't really find we we aren't finding much or we're not moving it to a fine, all four off-leash and that's part of the issue and I'm sure that it's because council has been very um back and forth about whether we should be strict or not. But when I find when a citation is given, it's definitely gonna go to court right, No.

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B

Be a fine straightforward like them asking.

F

What ok? First, when the, when the judge comes, it would to speak to you all I think it would be interesting to ask him about how he sets the fine schedule. So you'll hear that from him directly. There is a process that allows fines to be set and paid through. It's called the violations Bureau and.

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F

It's a very it's for very small offenses, like we put the masking under that and if you're, if you're, not shoveling your snow and those kind of things, we've run a few things to what's called the violations Bureau. But for the most part, if, if the, if the ticket is set that it requires coming to court or the person wants to come to court, then the fine actually goes underneath the authority of the judge.

F

So it's a it's a dual process and it's interesting I haven't worked in a city that set it up this way before and I think that if it took me a while to work my way through it, I I can't criticize any member of council who hasn't conceptualized it. Yet yeah.

B

Yeah I think it's confusing. If we could get that written up, that'd be great I mean you pay parking tickets, you pay speeding tickets without going for the judge and they're just straightforward unless you want to so I think, there's a confusion that somehow nothing happens when someone gets the fine and that they have to go before a judge. But maybe that's my confusion.

D

Well, people are always able to fight the ticket right if they feel that they're not guilty of it and there's evidence they're able to go through the due process. Correct, I and.

F

And that's the problem that we have, but the masking order is while we set fines for the violation Bureau, if people would just pay their ticket, we can't take away people's right to contest the ticket and, if someone contested it instead of for trial, the judge would impose a fine.

F

After hearing all the facts of the judge thought that a facts are particularly egregious. The judge may very well go beyond that, $15 that the city manager imposed at the violations Bureau or if the judge thought that there was a reason for someone not to wear their their mask. He might waive the fine. So the judge has a lot of discretion after a trial, but but yeah. So no, we can take that authority away from people well.

B

We don't have people using it that much do we I mean. Do we know how many dog find people have gone to court to overturn their fine? You.

F

Know we can get that information. I can't tell you that the prosecutor does deal with dog cases on a very regular basis. Oh.

B

Well then yeah, maybe that's another council request is how many are actually taking this to the court system.

B

But I would appreciate any overview of what the roles are in this. So we're all clear what you know when no ticket is written, what happens and what's the role of ceac in that the the court, the code officer, I'm.

F

Writing all this down, as you speak,.

B

I'm hopeful that we're gonna get to the other side of this a bit, although I still think that regardless dogs are in the community of both when they are on place, you're off leash that there's issues you know, I was walking with our dog the other yesterday, and some dog came charging at her with who's on leash and that's just normal walking dogs and they get upset with each other.

B

You know um I, there were some a lot of ideas that came up with those who presented letter who spoke last night.

B

Was anybody keeping track of all those you know? Dina was: is that probably the person who those ideas mayor.

F

I thought there were amazing ideas and I haven't done anything about that yet, but I was gonna. Ask Maureen to listen to that portion of the meeting and just take notes on the various ideas that people verbalized and when I get that list I'm happy to share it. I go.

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B

All right are we done I'm. Sorry, it went this long.

B

All right, it's 921 and this fear manager meeting is adjourned have a good day. Everybody thank.

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