City of Englewood, Colorado Mayor Manager Meetings, 2 Feb 2021

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I. Mayor Linda Olson and City Manager Shawn Lewis will discuss upcoming agendas for Regular Council meetings and Study Sessions.

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A

It's not recording yet is it it's recording now, oh, it is okay. Why can't? I tell on my end all right. This is a mirror manager meeting on tuesday, the 2nd of february. Already it's groundhog day. Isn't it? Yes, I got to go back to bed in the reading is linda olsen alex dortec, um jade, truskett, reed, daniel sarah, sierra and stephanie carlillo.

B

All right, I will try to guide you jade, and I will guide this. So you know for the next upcoming study session. We've got the resident safety with chief collins we've already allotted time.

B

We've also got the charter amendment for the direct election of a mayor, and so we have not assigned times on that one. So we may need to do that.

C

A

You are you going to be bringing examples, or is it just a discussion at this point.

B

um It's it's a discussion, we've kind of identified. You know if council were to decide to do this um like what that process would look like, um and then we kind of posed questions that council would need to well. First of all for first and foremost decide if they are wanting to move that direction and then uh what specifically that would look like, so that, then we could bring that to a vote of the people and then start the process of um direct election of the mayor.

C

B

Okay, uh so I would just say you know it's a relatively small presentation.

B

I don't know, um I would say five minutes and then the rest could be discussion.

A

Yeah I had a discussion about how to how to actually do this. I think we need to have some public. It probably good to have some public input at some point on this. um I don't know what the process would be for that.

D

One, and that can be the the discussion is it's you know, of course, it's totally appropriate to say we want to get public input and then work out the process on that and the goal behind this study. This study session is to give council the framework for what that could look like in in general, there's not a lot of legal barriers, but this this at least gives us direction moving forward.

B

So I think we would just have to be really clear that we, this is not uh changing our form of government discussion right, because I I think members of the public do sometimes um get confused on that. That's a completely different process. um This is just you know.

B

The input we've heard from a few council members that they'd like to explore what that would look like, um and you know the two cities that we've used as comparisons they they each did it a little bit differently where they redistrict in the process as well, and so I think, from the few tidbits I've heard it would I'm I thought you know it would be more of a converting one of our at large positions, one of the three to a direct election of a mayor.

A

I think that's probably the simplest way to do it. Isn't it definitely, which is why we held off one so that we would.

B

So yeah, so how it would have to work is there would have to be. You know the the ballot issues to amend the charter on either this election or next year's election, um so that then, that it would go into effect for the municipal election of 2023, which is where there are two at-large positions up for election right, but there's a lot of information you will have to consider if there's special requirements.

B

If there's um you know what the term length would be, those types of things would all guide how the charter amendment would need to look. If you do want to move forward with this.

A

Yeah yeah. Well so how much time yeah presentation five minutes I'd say I don't know, probably 20 minute discussion. Oh no, I don't think it's gonna be longer than that. Linda! Do you? Oh, do you think I I thought people were pretty much wanted to do this, but maybe not well. No. I think people.

E

Are, I think, there's a lot of questions about the process? Okay, I'm thinking it may go. You know, even even 30 minutes to me seems like it's gonna be undercutting it, but.

A

Okay, do you want to say 40 minutes.

E

Yeah about 40 minutes.

A

E

I just remember back last year, when we were talking about it, seemed like we had a lot of dialogue about it, but since it's only process, maybe we it is it's going to be shorter, yeah yeah, I'm I'm just curious. I just think there's gonna be a lot of questions.

A

Well, one of the things- and I don't know alex- will have to explore this with you. If we put it on the ballot, is what to what extent can the city inform people of the pros and cons of this, because I think that happened with some of the initiatives this last year there were some that were just kind of mute and I think, the more the more um dialogue we have with citizens about what they think the more will will realize what the pros and cons are.

A

There may not be a whole lot of cons, but right.

D

And so much okay, one so much that just depends on the direction that you send us, because there's there's a vast difference between okay, we're just going to direct elect the mayor, but have everything else be exactly the same versus direct elect the mayor and then have the mayor? Have additional powers, responsibilities or change term limits? Things like that.

C

B

I can also let you know that we we are working with outside counsel on this, um and so we will be able to guide counsel on you know on fcpa and what council can and cannot do or say um and then certainly put that when you know if it is going that direction, we'll we'll have a strong guidance on how to how to guide you through that. Okay, great all.

A

Right sounds good. I don't think it's going to be 40 minutes, but if it is, we've got enough time so to us.

B

Yeah- and I think something to consider is you know just the timing of if we want to get it on this ballot. You know, and you are really wanting to you- know, get the public involved. We need to get moving pretty quickly to make sure we hit all of our deadlines.

C

A

Has to be ready by july, doesn't it or though, yes.

B

It needs to go for first and second reading in july in order to get on the ballot. Okay,.

A

Okay, well, that's the information we'll get and then.

B

Sorry and that way too, through the discussion, we'll try to iden that'll help us identify if, if there's um more to it than we initially kind of thought,.

B

Okay, okay, great so um the next one is a fleet management recommendation through public works. We've already allowed time for the presentation.

B

It's a you know a slightly different way of kind of doing um the fleet management. So I'm not sure how much discussion council would need on that.

E

I haven't heard it seems long for our presentation.

A

Seem really really long why 30 minutes.

B

I think, because it's a different way to completely manage the fleet versus owning, I think it's it.

A

um Can you go back to them and see if they really need 30 minutes? It's been a long time since we've had a 30 minute presentation and it's usually been the flood stuff.

B

So uh why don't you guys tell us what you'd like to see and then we'll report back to you if, for some reason, there is something we're missing on why it needs to be such a long presentation, sometimes people a lot um discussion time as well inadvertently, so I it we, they may be thinking it's probably about a 30 minute, just all together.

A

Yeah so then I don't know, I think you know if they can do a really. I mean I just think we have to assume that people are going to read their packets and if they don't it's their loss.

A

15 minutes at the max and then 15 minutes discussion. If they think it's contentious, I guess it should be longer.

B

Okay, why don't we reach out to uh janet and just get uh just a bit more information? But let's plan on that, okay.

B

Okay- uh let's see here so this is some coming forward from alex and police department discussion of the code for uh inkwood parks and alex you may want to shed some light on this sure.

D

And so I I don't want to uh overly. I don't want to hijack the meeting to overly describe this, but there's a section of the inglewood code that allows for uh police officers to temporarily ban or trespass uh persistent.

D

Either rule breakers or code breakers from our municipal parks and the way it's currently set up, there's been recent case law that has found very similar, almost identical schemes or mechanisms to be unconstitutional.

C

D

Need to either change it or remove it, and so my portion will be dealing discussing the legal background there and then reed's portion will be discussing the benefits and uses of this of being able to temporarily ban or trespass people from park and other governmental facilities.

D

So I'd anticipate the presentation, should it's probably more presentations, probably more of 10 minutes but and it's difficult to anticipate the discussion. I, what I'm hoping is that the entire discussion is just about not the legal part of it, because that's that's not really the meat of it. It's the how council wants to see um the parks and other governmental facilities policed.

A

So currently, our law, or our is in in, is make putting us at risk. Is that what the issue is.

D

It is um we very much mitigated that risk by discontinuing the issuance of trespass notices and discontinuing the prosecution for previous trespass notices. Oh.

A

So we're not we're not using it right now at all.

D

Right we once once that came to light, we sort of stopped everything so as to mitigate that liability.

A

So will we get examples of other cities and how they're handling this and I'm asking only uh well. I often do that, but uh I'm most concerned about how this impacts our strategies around the unhoused and whether we're um more regionally approaching some of this.

D

We we certainly can bring that to council, that's sort of a longer discussion than what this would be. This isn't the this current section, isn't addressing sort of any strategies for the unhoused it's and to be frank from having spoken to the police department.

D

A number of the people that or a number of these sort of frequent flyers aren't necessarily the unhoused.

A

Yeah good to hear okay, I know that when we were doing the pestle, we were trying to figure out what kinds of park laws we all had that were exacerbating for some populations from one city to the other, so that was okay, so yeah. I think.

D

So- and I don't it's really hard to predict because, as as sort of your noting and it does touch on this- we had a joint council meeting that was two hours that hit a lot of these issues. So it certainly is a conversation that could go on for a long time and I'm hoping that we can limit it to the specifics of this, and but it does touch on those things. So it doesn't. It doesn't necessarily lend itself to that limit.

A

Okay, so what do you is this? Are you going to be giving us information that you need direction on then.

D

Yes, okay, so I would say, discussion would be probably 30 minutes.

C

D

And it may be that we'd realize that 30 minutes isn't nearly enough and we have to reschedule things for later, which is fine, we're not in a position where we have to take any action, because we have stopped enforcement.

C

D

So as to not put ourselves in legal jeopardy, but in speaking with the police department, this has been a program that has been very beneficial to the maximum use of all these facilities.

B

And I think with in total time for that study session, we're definitely still within the three-hour time frame. Okay,.

A

But we we need to add a discussion on um general decorum at meetings. Okay,.

B

So so then, we'll add that and.

A

B

A

I wonder if um the little plastic- I'm sorry just a frog in my throat this morning, you're the first people I've talked to. um We need those laminated rules of order that were sitting in the dies for all of us. I wonder if we can gather those up and get them into the hands of council before the meeting everybody has them. I would I would like the gavel too, but I'm not sure how I'll use it I mean I was thinking about.

A

How would I I mean I would have gaveled on some of the things we've had happen, but you know looking back over some of the things that happen in meetings. It's not just using point of information and point of order, people just plain interrupt or interject something too. Okay,.

B

All right: well, we can get those documents together and get those out to council.

D

And stephanie- and this is just a suggestion- this isn't, but perhaps I t um someone could speak with I.t about the uh virtual or electronic version of a gavel, because I I in seeing what mayor olson is is mentioning this format doesn't sort of limits. The ability to gavel when a gap can be very effective.

C

A

A good rap would do, but I don't want to break my computer.

E

A

Gathering also, you know what what are the options to mute? Somebody, I don't like to say, stop, stop, stop, stop! Stop.

B

Okay, so for this discussion, uh what is the time uh slot and do you want this as a study session topic or under mayor or council's choice,.

A

I think it's a study session topic: okay, okay,.

B

um And how much time would you like to allow.

A

Well, daniel, how long do you think it'll take us to work on this one I mean.

E

It should, I think it should only take.

A

E

A

These are the rules we're going to follow on. Please self-monitor I'll, monitor too it's hard when you're on zoom, because people say things I don't even know which screen it came from. Sometimes, yes,.

C

B

Okay, good we'll get those materials together. Do you want those included in the packet for public sure, yeah, all right.

D

And there also would you like me to present on bob's rules of order.

A

Oh sure, that's that's that would be nice. That's allison would have done that in the past. I guess so. Yeah yeah. That makes sense.

C

B

Great. Thank you.

C

You need more alex.

C

Sorry, what was that um is five minutes presentation time enough for you alex or do you need me? Yes,.

D

Yeah, I think five minutes appropriate.

C

A

Good we'll start out with that and hopefully we'll all.

D

Follow that to get us rolling.

C

B

All right, we'll move on to february 16th, um because the 15th is a holiday. Oh that's right, yep! um So the 16th we've got the three public hearings um coming from community development and those have to go all on the same night.

B

We've got a contract for services for the carbon filter media at the wastewater plant or no I'm sorry at the alan water treatment plant. uh So this has to come forward.

B

um This, I believe, is just um the usual business of the alan water treatment plant and so we're not sure if that can go on consent or not.

A

So we don't have any study session items that night. Oh.

B

Let's go down, let's see.

C

B

C

Currently, interesting, okay, the public hearings, I'm sorry what I tried to keep it lighter because of the three public hearings.

A

Yeah, oh, that makes sense. Okay, so.

A

So so this is interesting because we haven't had this before so usually would start a regular meeting at seven, we'll still just start at six anyway, right.

B

I I would suggest so with the three public hearings: yeah, okay and you never know um by then another. A study session topic may need to be added, um but I do feel like we could start the regular meeting at six.

A

I think that would be really nice, wouldn't the nathaniel just.

E

B

Okay, great, so we have consent. Question marks on all of these, um so there's renewal of the 2020, concrete trip, hazard, elimination, contract um and then we've got um we're hoping to be ready to bring forward the records and information management uh contract for approval, which would not be consent. I'd imagine yeah, probably not.

D

B

And then um removal of transportation advisory committee alternate member, uh so this is uh the staff liaison came forward and- and let us know that um a person that was appointed as an alternate member to this board has never uh attended any meetings and is not they've been unsuccessful at reaching them.

B

So I think that that just needs to come to council for approval of that um which I pr I'm guessing would not be consent as well. Just so that we can give a background on that.

B

Or do you think that is the consent item? I don't know if there's background in the memo. Okay, all right. Let's leave that for now and something yeah somebody can put. It involves.

A

A person's name doesn't it I mean I'd, prefer just go on consent and not talk about it. Okay,.

B

Okay, perfect, you.

E

Step in either one the allen water treatment plant that would not be consent, especially since.

C

E

B

um Okay, yep yep you're right.

C

Thank you, but we have a.

A

C

A

A resolution with that.

B

It may just be by motion: oh yeah,.

A

C

I see that it's a contract.

A

B

Okay, great um good catch elsano. Thank you for that. Let's look here.

B

uh Modernization of rtd elevator at the englewood station. Well, hang.

A

On, let's go back to the trip hazard: okay is that can that go in.

E

I think you can, because this is we're using them today correct. This- is that new technology that just strips away part of the concrete right.

B

I believe so, and so it looks like this may just be for the zone three.

E

B

A

Okay, yeah, let's put it in consent, then.

B

Okay, and if I'm wrong on any of this, I will find out and get back with you so sure, okay, great and then um so the elevator for the inglewood station. Are we okay to put that on consent.

A

I think it's fine modernization.

B

Must need a major update that elevator's bad news yeah all right. So then, um following the study session um about the fleet management recommendations, then this would be coming forward. So I would imagine this would not be on consent, correct or I guess it could be. Based on the study session link um discussion.

C

A

Why don't we ask during the study session? Are you okay with putting this on consent? Okay, can you remind us, try and remember.

B

Between jade and I we will work to remember that oops.

B

Are you gonna add that there jade okay since.

A

We have three uh sessions or whatever earrings.

B

uh Three public hearings: yeah one, is extensive and then the other two don't didn't need as much time. It sounds like 20 minutes each for the others.

B

B

All right and then the last thing is: we have that executive session for legal advice on there.

A

Yeah, are we gonna move that um alex.

D

I think, after some of the questions that were asked last night, especially concerning uh potential liability for statements from by different members of council, I think it might be more topical now than than I might have thought earlier or during the day yesterday.

D

So I think it hopefully will at least give a background or a legal framework so as to eliminate some of the sort of questioning back and forth.

D

That's my thought, so I think it might make sense to keep it on there, but I'll leave that that's I'll. Leave that to your discretion.

B

A

Well: okay: let's leave it there for now: okay,.

B

B

So jade is this: the one we moved.

C

Yeah, let me um oh.

B

Shoot we had a request from um the community development department to push the udc discussion um because of an extended family emergency by one of the staff members who's, leading that so they want to push that to the to the second meeting in march. Instead,.

B

All right, so this would be the one that we is requested to be moved from the 22nd to march okay, so that won't be there.

C

C

All right, all right: okay,.

B

Okay, all right so update on sustainability, plan and program from city manager's office, so they are asking for 10 minutes for a presentation with a outside person.

C

A

Okay and then a discussion about that probably will take some time.

A

I wonder if they'll be ready for it, but then probably a 30 minute, 20 30 minute discussion.

C

Yeah that probably.

B

Works so a total of 40 minutes for that item.

A

I guess it depends on what they're going to present us and whether or not it's very you know it's going to stimulate a lot of different views. Okay,.

B

And the next item is the organized garbage and recycling collection, uh so the rfps um you know, have been reviewed and they'll be uh seeking council um direction for finalizing and issuing in the rfp.

B

So they've asked for 15 minutes. um It could be pushed down if needed. It says, but I do imagine this would be a robust discussion yeah. I think so too.

A

So they're gonna come back with the rfps is what the different options so.

B

Yes, uh so they.

B

Okay, so they are putting together the rfp, so I think it's more on what the content of the rfp will look like before they put it out. I thought they already put it out.

A

E

Got brought back.

A

Right you get it okay, yeah! Maybe it won't take that long, then, because it's not deciding anything. It's just.

B

Yeah they just want to review with cancel the items that uh they they want and then just go ahead and finalize that content before they issue the rfp. That sounds good. Okay, okay, great, so we we're doing a total of 30 minutes. For that.

C

I think that sounds good. Okay,.

B

We'll have our monthly financial update.

C

C

That's 10 minutes, typically at the beginning of the meeting.

B

And then information coming from public works on the various initiatives for the storm: water, utility programs and projects. Okay,.

A

I would say it's going to be discussion for at least 15 minutes, wouldn't you think, let's say we're at 40. One.

C

C

About two hours, yeah.

B

And, what's that last item jake.

B

What's this, oh that's for march, okay,.

B

E

What's the utility program, the last item by director d'andrea, is.

B

It nothing utility programs and projects.

E

I wonder if that, if it's the catholic, but possibly if it's the white, the cab, the customer assistance program, oh.

A

We already talked about it.

E

I thought they were going to come back with additional information.

B

Looks like they're giving an update on various initiatives that are occurring within the programs and projects. If.

E

It was the cap I just figured. It would take longer than 30 minutes.

B

E

B

I could try to pull up the item.

E

It's not until 20 seconds, so we have time to figure out what it is. Okay,.

B

Perfect yeah we'll make it to get more information on that that'll.

A

C

B

All right, how far down did you want to go? Did you want to keep going for march.

A

1St, oh, let's just look at march 1st, we know what's coming up great.

B

Okay, storm water bond issue: oh.

C

Yeah I was wondering when that would come.

B

Interesting, okay, perfect, so um they would like 20 minutes for their.

E

E

At this point,.

A

Yeah we just leave.

B

E

Yeah, that's fine.

B

Okay, okay sounds good and then we've got the um the wayfinding and placemaking master plan um so seeking direction on adopting the wooded nook as the design concept for the master plan. So communicating.

A

Something's bad they're.

C

A

Back with their revised upgrade of wooded nook and.

B

Okay, perfect. Is that what they're doing? I think I would imagine so based on the last study session? Yes, so they're going to be coming back, probably with revisions and asking you for consensus to adopt. That is the design concept.

B

All right, okay and then we've got um the first readings on the three: oh where's, the third one um after the public hearing so first readings on the vacation of the huron street project. So we'll have three of those first readings.

C

B

Well, we've got so far, although I'll just throw in there march, 8th, we've tentatively set aside for the dda interviews for the dda board. So we are accepting applications currently and then we'll be bringing those forward for interviews and then appointments sounds good.

E

Okay, great so stephanie. What's that a second item, what's the another request for proposals that that item right there, since we're talking about on the 22nd.

A

E

It looks like a repeat.

A

C

um I'll look into that um and see what's going on with it.

E

Also, can I can I ask a question. I haven't seen anything. uh I missed the last budget advisory committee meeting, so I'm not sure if they're ready, but do we have anywhere on here where budget advisory committee is going to come and speak to us about their capital reserve proposal.

C

Not that I'm aware of currently for any study sessions, um who's the staff liaison for that.

B

That would be jenny, nolan.

E

B

So we can, uh we can reach out and find out uh when they plan to bring that forward.

E

A

Let's put a placeholder in yeah: that would be good. I'm glad you're brought that up, because I think someone else brought it up in the past and.

B

And you said that was on the capital. What.

E

Well, it's it's going to be the unassigned fund balance, um basically the their their policy recommendation on that. Okay,.

B

Perfect; okay, great! Thank you for that good memory.

B

Okay, so did you want to go any further down, um I'm happy to keep going. I just want to make sure I.

E

Keep looking at the sunshine outside stephanie now I think okay.

A

He's gonna go run or go bike.

E

I'm gonna go bike.

C

And go bike right! He's fine.

C

Far down on the list, so um I did want to go ahead and just check in really quick. We do have another um another week where we are starting our meeting on tuesday um did. We want to go ahead and just plan on having the mayor manager meeting that week on another day. Yes, yeah.

E

The wednesday afternoon.

C

Wednesday, after yeah perfect, thank you that'd, be great great thanks.

A

Jade for holding off on the um study sessions for the next week when we have all those those public hearings.

C

It sort of kind of happened. I I was like hoping it wouldn't happen, and then nobody put anything in so I didn't yeah. It worked out really well yeah.

E

Underground jade hold your ground.

C

B

Here jade, you have permission, it sounds like yep. You.

C

B

Great okay guys! Well! Thank you so much. I hope you do enjoy the sunshine today. Oh well, we have we do. We have any.

A

Council updates from or yeah we have a council request from yesterday. Don't we just make sure.

B

I didn't catch any, but I I also am not in the rhythm of catching those, um but I do want to make sure we report those out to tim um or chief confidence at the dog.

C

Parks at the dog park.

E

Yeah, the off leash task force. That was one that I had like. Are there any more meetings? So that's more for director underhill, okay, the answer, I think I think they're done but yeah. So are there any more means for the athletes task force.

A

Okay, I don't think they're done because one of their members called me yesterday. They thought they had another meeting. He thought they had. I don't know, though, okay.

B

We will definitely put that in as a council request.

E

And actually can I can. I make a second one: yes, um I'm kind of curious just with uh orchard place and with the simon center, and actually I talked to some people over the weekend that are having issues getting vaccines at the you know. Obviously, they're uh they're eligible to get the vaccines but they're not able to call in so I'm wondering if anybody on staff or, if there's anything, that we can do that system in helping them get on the schedule for the vaccine.

E

And that's a tall ass, but I'm just wondering is community development involved at all that I guess that's more of a question for america power. It's.

A

It's yeah, I mean we can call the you know they can call the housing authority to ask them what they're doing to to expedite it. For everybody.

E

Yeah just trying to get an understanding if there's any help internally.

B

Yeah, okay yep: we can, we can reach out and see what uh which department is appropriate for that yeah.

E

And stephanie, if, if anybody has any questions on my ass, have them give me a call.

B

Okay, perfect and were there any other council requests that you know of or just the two from uh othania.

E

That was that was it that I had.

A

Okay, yeah, I don't see any others either. We just need to earmark um a study session to do some training around racism and segregate or um systemic racism how to handle it, how to address it where to look for it.

B

um Did you have a potential date in mind for that, and would that be like a facilitated discussion? It would definitely.

A

Have to be a facilitated discussion? Yes, okay with someone who's quite good at it. um So we probably need to look for someone, and uh I do think it would be helpful to have it earl sooner than later, especially as we go into title 16 and anything else regarding um land use or you know what that tends to be where some of the first long-term bias comes up, I mean so I'll be able to look at those with a different set of eyes or understanding.

B

Okay, and what did you want to call that.

A

Maybe a diversity equity workshop. I don't know okay.

B

Perfect, we will pass this along.

A

My answer said: sean has some ideas and maybe rhonda hanger has I don't know what the internal um training is looking like these days for the city, because I know you have a big commitment to that.

B

Interestingly, I just got oh. It was just um aware an awareness email from uh rhonda hanger about uh black history month, so I was thinking. Maybe they had a meeting going coming up on something okay, great well, we will pass this information along and we'll um now just quickly glancing at the next few study sessions. Do you see a date? You want to try to tentatively slot that in.

A

March, not not during the public hearings that will put us off on a bad foot. Probably I hope it's not a bad start, but um yeah.

C

Where do we have room february? 22Nd may be a good night. um Additionally march oop, not march 8th um february. 22Nd seems to be the one.

A

That's a fully study session oriented evening right, yes, and we were at about two hours when we last checked correct: okay, let's put it there, the 22nd yeah. I mean we're going to have to look for um a lot of people in this field, but I'd prefer that the city pick um because I don't want to.

B

Okay, yeah, okay: I will pass this on to uh tim todd.

C

Right: okay, perfect.

B

All right well, thank you guys.

A

I realized we didn't have tim on, nor wait. Wasn't tim on.

B

We offered we offered to take this meeting um great yep yeah, so they would have been happy to join us, but jaden, and I felt like we could. um We could take this one on yeah did a great job. Thank you. Okay,.

C

So, thank you all right. Everybody go.

A

C

C

I'm sorry what.

A

Oh else, it's 9 13 and this meeting is adjourned great.

C

B

C