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C
C
Curiosity
does
anything
the
draft
list
that
was
attached
to
the
agenda
would
that
have
changed
from
last
from
the
meeting
at
council.
So.
B
C
Realistically,
I
mean
there's
things
that
we
have
to
fund
as
they
were
talking
about.
You
know
and
there's
not
really
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
other
stuff
that
that
we
get
to
really
pick
and
that's
fine.
I
mean
there's
some
stuff
that
just
needs
to
happen
and
I
apologize
for
having
to
bail
out
early.
I
know
carl
was
able
to
you,
know,
hold
the
fort
down
and
I
saw
you
know
kate
chimed
in
at
one
point.
B
D
Yeah,
I've
actually
got
the
the
attachments
for
the
the
last
main
with
council
up
on
my
other
laptop
here,
because
it's
bigger,
so
I
can
see
better,
but
you
know,
as
you
get
older,
sometimes
the
glasses.
You
know
you
need
all
the
help
you
can
get.
D
D
C
A
C
A
To
be
able
to
do
in
person
with
the
numbers
that
we
have.
B
Yeah
they
were
recorded
just
audio
recorded.
Oh.
D
Well,
nancy:
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Seeing
that
no,
I
don't
think
see
anybody
else
to
is
beauty
not
going
to
be
with
us
today.
I'm
sorry
is
judy
not
going
to
be
with
us
today.
I
did
not
hear.
D
B
I
haven't
heard
from
mega-
oh
well
makes
here
so
we'll
get
started,
so
kate
townley
is
absent.
F
F
G
B
D
Great
before
we
get
to
the
public
forum,
I'd
like
to
call
on
brad
who
is
going
to
introduce
to
us
our
new
planning
manager
for
the
city
of
englewood.
E
Thank
you
michelle
good
evening,
everybody
for
the
record.
My
name
is
brad
power.
I'm
the
director
of
the
community
development
department
and
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
spend
a
few
minutes
prior
to
your
meeting,
to
introduce
our
planning
manager,
brian
isom,.
E
E
Let
him
talk
a
little
bit
about
his
experience,
but
he
immediately
passed
was
the
planning
director
city
of
lubbock
texas,
so
he
has
a
variety
of
experience
in
the
planning
realm
and
we
are
most
excited
to
have
him
on
our
on
our
team
he's
getting
into
the
code
next
project,
our
housing
analysis
and
obviously
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
the
planning
team
as
well
getting
to
know
their
work
and
starting
to
think
about
the
priorities
going
forward.
E
D
C
I
know
you
did
the
mute,
I
hate
when
that
happens,
and
the
computer
doesn't
want
to
turn
its
microphone
on.
I
I
For
them
it
was
the
first
one
that
they
have
worked
on
in
over
45
years.
Oh
so
it
was
a
big
change,
but
you
know
I
bring
some
of
that
experience
to
the
city
and
I've
really
enjoyed
the
last
week
getting
to
meet.
You
know
not
only
the
planning
staff
and
the
community
development
staff,
but
all
the
staff
in
the
city
so
far.
D
Well,
I
see
that
kate
townley
just
joined
us
brian,
it
sounds
like
you
are,
were
made
for
this
position
if
you've
just
been
through
code,
rewriting
rewriting
in
two
different
locations.
So
how?
What
was
your
experience
like
and
what
were
some
of
the
biggest
hurdles
in
that.
I
I
I
think
overall,
the
biggest
thing
that
I
learned
from
from
both
organizations
is
to
make
sure
that,
as
we're
writing
our
code,
we
get
as
much
public
input
as
we
can,
but
also
to
work
with
our
professional
staff
interp
internally,
to
make
sure
that
we
we
create
a
code.
That's
operable,
meaning
that
we're
not
you
know,
creating
any
barriers
internally
that
we
weren't
intending
to,
or
you
know,
to
make
sure
that
our
code
is
repeatable
and
predictable
for
the
development
community
and
the
community
as
a
whole.
D
I
D
I
C
I
want
to
say
welcome
in
also
I
just
appreciate
the
the
help
that
you're
gonna
provide
and
and
looking
forward
to
getting
this
code
written.
I'm
sure,
brooke
and
brad
are
as
well
so
just
happy
to
have
you
on
board.
D
Any
other
comments
from
the
commissioners
all
right.
Well,
I
will
echo
those
sentiments
and
say
welcome
and
we
all
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
We
can
certainly
use
your
experience
sounds
like
it's
perfectly
made
for
us.
So,
okay,
now
it's
the
public
forum,
and
this
is
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
address
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
regarding
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
D
B
D
That
that
was
me,
I
I've
since
upgraded
I'm
okay,
that
was
fast.
You
upgraded
very
quickly.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
okay,
were
there
any
submitted
to
you
nancy,
any
other
comments
from
the
public.
There
were
not
okay,
all
right,
so
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
We
don't
have
any
minutes
to
approve.
It
doesn't
look
like
at
least
not
on.
My
agenda
is
the
2023
capital
improvements
project
and
I'm
guessing
I'm
calling
on
brad
or
brooke.
J
Or
actually
yeah
brooke
here,
I'm
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit.
Okay!
So
thank
you
michelle
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
tonight,
including
magnolia,
and
I
I
do
have
an
iphone
6.
I
think
still
so
I
do.
I
certainly
do
I'm
a
little
bit
behind,
but
I
still
have
that.
But
again,
thank
you
all
for
coming.
J
I,
and-
and
we
are
just
to
echo-
we're
very
excited
to
have
brian
with
us,
so
you'll
probably
be
hearing
a
lot
more
from
him
moving
forward,
but
tonight
I
did
want
to
just
kind
of
introduce
our
our
our
main
topic
tonight,
which
is
reviewing
the
2023
capital
projects
list,
and
I
know
you
guys
have
done
this.
In
years
past
I
had
to
kind
of
get
up
to
speed
quickly.
J
I
was
gone
all
last
week,
and
so
I
haven't
necessarily
seen
a
lot
of
this
list,
but
nevertheless
it's
teed
up
for
us
tonight
and
I
I
think
we
can
make
some
significant
pro
progress
on
it.
Last
monday
april
25th.
I
believe
that
was
a
week
ago
monday,
there
was
a
a
city
council
meeting
where
department
directors
presented.
J
Basically,
the
budget
moving
forward
the
capital
project
budget,
and
I
know
that
some
of
our
commissioners
attended
that
either
in
person
or
virtually,
I
don't
think
everybody
did-
and
I
certainly
did
not
myself,
but
that
was
kind
of
a
more
of
a
presentation
by
individual
departments
on
their
budget
requests.
But
our
task
tonight
is
to
go
through
the
capital
projects
list
and
I
know
attached
to
the
cover
memorandum
that
was
in
your
packet.
J
That
only
involves
the
projects
that
you
guys
are
going
to
weigh
in
on
and
that
is
from
fund
30.
The
public
improvement
fund
and
fund
31,
which
is
the
capital
projects
fund,
and
so
we're
going
to
go
through
those
and
prioritize
those.
I
haven't
been
as
much
part
of
that.
The
last
couple
of
years
wade
was,
but
I
I
think
some
of
you
guys
have
been
through
this.
J
So
you,
you
kind
of
know
the
drill,
but
we
also
have
the
ability-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
it
up
nancy-
I
think
I
might
but
to
if
we
need
to
zero
in
on
any
one
of
these
projects
and
get
a
little
more
information
on
it,
that
isn't
that
301
pages,
but
we
can
get
some
more
information.
J
More
importantly,
if
you
have
some
more
specific
questions
or
if
we
can't
find
it
ask
a
question
about
a
project
and
we
will
reach
out
to
those
departments
that
requested
that
project
and
get
more
information,
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
a
recommendation
by
june
9th
to
the
city
manager,
and
so
we
we
really
have
this
meeting
our
second
main
meeting
to
kind
of
make
some
decisions
on
on
these
items.
J
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
other
thing
from
a
sort
of
monetary
standpoint:
we're
we're
only
looking
at
the
tier
1
projects,
there's
tier
1
projects,
tier
2
projects
and
tier
3
projects
and
those
total
all
of
those
projects.
Totaled
15.9
million
the
tier
one.
Only
projects
total
12.1
million,
but
the
available
funding
is
only
8
million.
So
our
task
is
to
choose
what
the
planning
commission
feels
is
the
best
spent
dollars
for
eight
million
dollars
out
of
this
12.1
million
dollars
of
tier
one
projects.
J
So
with
that,
I
guess
first
I
would
say:
are
there
any
questions
about
kind
of
the
process
and
myself
or
nancy
or
brad
or
brian?
We
can
try
and
answer
that,
but
short
of
that
we
could
start
going
through
the
list.
So
so
are
there
any
questions.
K
Yeah,
I
do
have
a
question
I
didn't
want
to
jump
in,
but
I
guess
I
was
just
trying
to
because
it
sounds
like
the
12.1.
Are
all
the
tier
1
projects
across
all
of
the
funds,
so
we're
not
trying
to
eliminate
to
get
these
projects
we're
looking
at
to
the
8
million?
Is
that
correct
we're
just
prioritizing
what
we
think
is
the
most
important,
or
are
we
actually
trying
to
get
to
a
dollar
amount
for
our
the
projects?
We're
looking
at.
J
That's
a
good
question.
I
I
think
that's
across
all
the
funds,
brad
or
nancy.
Do
you
have
any
input
on
that.
B
The
eight
million
is
for
the
the
two
projects
that
you're
looking
for
is
my
understanding.
B
C
I
think
if
they
are
impact
the
conversation
yeah,
if
not,
I
mean
I
think
we
can
go
into
this,
although
it
looks
like
michelle's
got
a
question
also.
D
Yeah,
I
just
had
a
quick
question
so
basically
there's
four
million
of
projects
tier
one
projects
that
are
not
going
to
be
funded,
what
happens
to
them
just
in
general,.
E
D
C
And
I
think
we
can
also
decide
to
partially
fund
some
things
if
we
want
to
do
a
little
bit.
So
maybe
some
of
the
funding
needs
to
come
out
of
the
24
budget,
but
maybe
at
least
get
things
started.
If
that's
an
option-
and
I
mean
obviously
that's
something
that
we'll
just
have
to
kind
of
work
through
and
hopefully
everything's
just
going
to
come
up
really
easy,
because
nancy's
already
got
a
spreadsheet
set
up
to
go
through
all
these.
B
K
Thanks
sorry,
this
isn't
as
much
a
question,
maybe
as
just
a
comment
as
I
was
reviewing
this
and
what
I
listened
at
the
meeting
last
week
and
my
recollection
from
doing
this
last
year,
which
is
you
know,
wishy-washy
because
it
was
a
year
ago.
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
for
future
years
to
get
an
idea
of
what
was
spent
in
each
of
these
categories
over
the
last
year
or
you
know
we
prioritize
and
make
recommendations
to
city
council.
K
So
I
don't
know-
maybe
that's
just
a
comment,
if
that's
possible
to
do
when
we're
evaluating
this.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
D
And
I
just
have
a
comment
to
just
to
refresh
everyone's
memories:
that
colin's
right.
We
can
change
the
numbers
and
we
frequently
do
or
have
done
in
the
past.
What
ends
up
happening
is
that
we
make
a
recommendation
to
city,
council
and
city
council
can
effectively
toss
everything
we
wanted
out
and
make
up
their
own.
D
So,
but
that
being
said,
we
do
need
to
consider
this
very
seriously
because
it
city
council,
you
know
it's,
it's
a
lot
of
money,
obviously,
and
we
don't
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
best
thing
for
the
city.
So
we
can't
take
our
job
lightly.
B
D
Also
pulled
up
a
worksheet
that
I
had
from
our
last
from
last
year
when
we
did
this.
Of
course
it
was
it's
all
scribbled
up
and
everything,
and
but
I
might
be
able
to
get
a
give
a
little
bit
of
an
indication
of
what
we
did
last
year.
B
B
J
Yeah,
so
I
think
nancy
you
were
going
to
if
there
was
some
consensus
in
the
commission,
you
were
going
to
try
to
put
some
numbers
in
the
recommended
and
potentially
be
able
to
keep
a
running
tally
of
where
we
are
at.
Is
that
what
some
of
your
thoughts
were.
B
C
Before
we
even
do
that,
I'm
sorry
now
let
me
just
go
real
quick.
There
are
certain
ones
that
do
have
matches,
and
things
like
that
that
we
have
to
put
a
certain
amount
in
are
those
identified
at
all
where
we
could
just
say:
okay,
these
are
you
know
if
we
want
to
get
the
money
that
we
are
matching,
we
have
to
do
these
and
so
yeah.
D
B
So
I
can
answer
that
and
then
null
I'll
be
right
to
you
so
where
I've
marked
and
read,
I
checked
with
our
public
works
director
and
these
three,
I
believe,
there's
only
three
projects
are
so
the
contribution
to
a
little
just
50
000
here
would
be
250
000
for
a
grant
and
then
they're
going
to
public
works.
The
city
is
going
to
be
applying
for
this
1.2
million.
B
Brooke
noel,
you
had
your
hand
up,
did,
do
you
have
a
question
or
did
that
answer?
It.
D
All
right
so
does
everybody
agree
that
let's
go
ahead
and
let
nancy
put
those
amounts
in
the
recommended
column
of
those
projects
that
are
part
of
a
grant
or
a
match,
or
some
sort
of
alternative
financing
start
and
see
how
much
that
it
adds
up
to
so
we're
not
going
to
put
in
the
old
hampton,
because
we're
waiting
for
federal
funding
is
that
correct
nancy.
L
All
right,
it's
trying
to
look
so
I
thought
on
the
slides
that
brooke
had
like
this
santa
fe
pell
bike
pad
wasn't
included,
but
that
still
is
included.
That's
why
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
if
these
are
still
on
this
project
list.
L
B
F
F
B
C
If
it
does
help,
I
do
have
the
spreadsheet
that
we
suggested
last
year.
I
don't
know
if
that
is
what
got
finally
selected,
but
it's
what
we
came
up
with
for
our
3.5
million.
So
if
we
do
have
questions
like
on
the
pavement
preservation
or
pavement
maintenance
by
area,
you
know
we
put
in
1.8
million.
So
I
can
share
this
at
some
point
in
time.
If
we
need
to
or
want
to.
D
B
G
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
identify
what
the
the
penalty
is
for
deferring
some
of
these
yeah.
Just
you
know,
if
we
don't
do
old
hampden,
for
example,
does
it
next
year?
Would
it
be
1.5
million
to
do
it?
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
ones
on
this
list
that
are
that
have
an
obvious
obvious
value
like
that.
K
So
I
was
going
to
go
back
to
the
match
conversation
that
we
were
having
that's.
Okay,
I
guess
on
the
old,
hampton
complete
streets,
you
know,
if
they're
applying
for
the
funding
in
june,
that
they
would,
you
know,
be
notified
of
award
this
year
and
potentially
be
able
to
start
the
project
next
year.
K
K
D
Well
and
meg,
part
of
your
point
was
also
to
talk
about
the
timing.
Maybe
we
should
put
a
number
in
there
so
that
if
they'll
know
before
the
end
of
the
year,
if
they're
getting
the
grant
or
not,
but
if
it
behooves
them
to
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
we
have
some
have
a
little
fun
for
them.
That's
another
possibility
waiting
for
the
grant
money
to
actually
hit
the
door.
B
Oh
no
looks
like
noel
took
his
hand
down
carl.
A
A
Have
we
gone
to
them
to
try
to
get
some
funding
from
them
for
to
rework
that
bridge
that
they're
driving
all
our
trucks
over.
J
I
don't
think
we
know
that
carl
amongst
us
here.
J
B
J
C
Going
back
to
the
old
hampton
match:
is
that
anticipated
to
be
the
total
cost
of
the
1.2
million
right
now,
and
then,
therefore,
we
could
potentially
get
federal
funding
or
was
our
match
going
to
be
1.2
million?
For
that
project?
Do
we
know.
C
Okay,
I
know
dr
deandre
did
mention
if
we
didn't
get
funding
that
we
would
have
to
kind
of
assess
whether
it's
something
we
wanted
to
move
forward
with.
You
know
on
our
on
our
own,
but
considering
that
last
year
again,
we
did
have
that
kind
of
special
two
million
dollars
that
was
determined
to
be
a
budget
access.
I
feel
like
if
we
have
a
project
that
isn't
going
to
be
funded
or
maybe
and
as
I'm
saying
that,
maybe
it
wouldn't
work
because
we
could
still
fund
the
project
even
without
them.
B
H
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
answer
carl's
questions
because
I
was
on
the
trash
committee,
so
the
weight
station
over
here
at
oxford
station
waste
management
pays
a
certain
amount.
I
think
it's
about
seven
dollars
per
resident
that
dumps
trash
over
there
and
the
city
of
engle
would
get
that.
However,
republic
uses
the
commerce
city
race
station
and
we
don't
get
any
money
at
that.
H
D
That's
that's
very
interesting
brenda.
I
just
want
to
take
a
quick
pause
here.
What
is
our
timeline
tonight?
Do
we
need
to
have
all
of
our
eight
million
dollars
allocated
tonight
or
do
we
have
additional
meetings
or
I
just
want
to
clarify
what
we're
trying
to
do
so
we
all
can
get
it
make
it
happen.
J
My
sense
is,
you
need
to
make
some
really
good
progress
tonight
and
then
you
know
we
need
to
develop
whatever
questions
we
have
to
reach
out
to
the
departments,
to
the
various
departments
that
their
individual
requests
are
associated
with,
but
there
will
be
another
opportunity
on
the
17th
to
kind
of
final
to
for
us
to
report
back
on
on
any
questions
and
for
the
commission
to
kind
of
finalize
some
things.
J
You
know
the
final
date
is
june
9th,
but
I
believe
that
there
will
be
a
commission
meeting
before
that,
but
I
think
it'd
be
kind
of
cutting
it
close.
J
Do
you
have
any
input
on
that
nancy
or
anything?
To
add
to
that.
B
We
can
go
back
to.
I
got
an
answer
for
this
particular
item
for
the
old
hand
and
complete
streets,
that
is,
for
design
costs
only
to
get
the
project
started.
B
J
B
G
D
No,
I
was
just
going
to
say
thanks
a
lot.
I
just
wanted
to
be
mindful
that
I'm
trying
to
plot
out
the
rest
of
the
evening
how
how
long
we
should
be
spending
on
each
item,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
idea
of
what
we
should
do.
D
K
Thanks,
I
guess
I
was
looking
then
following
those
that
kind
of
the
bigger
ticket
items,
so
I
guess
in
my
mind,
that
would
be
the
pavement
maintenance
and
dartmouth
avenue,
and
I
call
this
maybe
where
your
knowledge
from
last
year
historically
will
come
to
play
because
I
believe
we
decreased
that
amount
by
a
pretty
significant
like
not
in
maybe
half
of
that,
because
it
was
such
a
large
dollar
item
and
I
think
they
said
they
could
do
with
less.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
that
handy.
C
I
can
sorry
I'll
jump
in
we
did
we
put
1.8
million
towards
pavement
maintenance
last
time
again,
like
you
said,
I
think
that
was
when
we
had
those
discussions.
They
thought
you
know
we'll
they'll
do
what
they
can
with
it.
So
we
thought
that
was
reasonable
to
reduce
that
and
then
also
the
the
the
west
start,
not
dartmouth
avenue
reconstruction.
C
We
did
completely
cut
that
one,
but
I
think
that's
something
that's
a
priority
for
the
city
this
year,
so
I
think
we
kind
of
kicked
the
bucket
on
dartmouth.
We,
it
was
500
000
last
year,
and
so
maybe
that
goes
to
know
what
you
were
saying.
C
So
I
think
I
would
agree
with
meg,
though
let's
maybe
cut
that
pavement
maintenance
in
half
to
start
with,
I
feel
like
dartmouth,
might
be
one
of
those
ones
that
we
need
to
get
close
to,
if
not
all
the
way
through
to
kind
of
have
that
and
then,
as
we
go
through
other
ones,
I
can
provide
input
on
those
as
well.
D
Colin,
I
have
from
my
worksheet
that
they
asked
for
740
000
last
year
for
that
dartmouth
us-85
to
south
platte,
but
we
didn't
give
them
any,
but
in
either
case
it
it's
much
less
than
what
they
had
asked
for.
So.
L
I
was
just
going
to
throw
out
there.
You
know
with
the
erc
upgrades
and
the
park
and
rec
parking
lot
maintenance
that
they
also
have
a
separate
budget
for
some
of
those
items.
So
I
don't
know
if
like
for
me.
I
wouldn't
prioritize
it
as
much
in
this
budget.
L
Although
I
love
the
recreation
center
and
I
guess
for
me,
I
was
just
going
to
throw
out
there
that
I
I
would
prioritize
the
ramps,
the
ada
accessible
ramps
and
the
sidewalk
gaps
and
as
well
as
some
of
the
walk-in
wheel
pieces,
because
I
think
you
can
get
a
lot
for
250
000.
F
Kind
of
to
go
along
with
what
meg
was
saying,
I
know
fiber
network
sorry,
fiber
network
was
1
million,
and
so
I
just
want
to
know
from
that
committee.
What
would
scaling
it
down
to
like
750
or
800?
Look
like
to
them
compare
and
like
compare
that
to
what
we
spent
last
year,
because
I'm
not
sure.
F
K
I,
oh,
I
didn't
raise
my
hand.
Sorry,
I
recall
that
being
a
conversation
last
year
also-
and
I
think
we
might
have
not
funded
it
at
all,
because
they
weren't
ready
to
move
forward
on
it.
C
C
B
So
maybe
f1
seconds
february
grant
related
projects
that
are
in
the
current
year.
Are
the
east
dartmouth
traffic
calming
corridor
for
just
a
little
over
a
million
dollars,
the
floyd
avenue
and
east
aladdie
street
improvements,
and
then
west
dartmouth
avenue
multimodal
safety
improvements
for
1.26
million?
Was
that
what
you
were
talking
about?
Colin.
C
And
just
to
clarify
we're,
we
are
doing
these
together,
so
the
public
fund
and
the
capital
project
fund,
so
we're
at
four
million
and
we've
got
eight
total
right
right.
Okay,.
B
J
And
you
guys
were
you
guys
were
talking
about
that
800
000
for
fiber
and
you
started
that
conversation,
but
it
seemed
like
that.
Didn't
get
necessarily
finished
you
put
in
800
000
nancy
for
the
fiber
net
network.
But
does
anybody
want
to
comment
any
more
on
that.
C
H
B
G
Okay,
I
believe
in
brenda
in
the
in
the
I
watched
the
youtube
video
last
night,
and
they
talked
about
this
being
mostly
about
trenching
it
to
connect
city
buildings,
but
that
kind
of
of
a
vague,
hey,
municipal
broadband
is
popular
statement,
and
I
I'd
love
to
hear
you
know
all
of
these.
When
I
look
at
that,
I
also
ask
what
could
make
us
money
in
the
future.
You
know
where,
where
is
there
some
return
potentially
on
these?
G
So
I'd
be
very
interested
in
more
details
on
what
this
million
dollars
is
working
toward.
H
You
know
I
do
that
for
a
living
I
pay.
I
contract
centurylink
and
companies
like
that
to
trench
fiber
and
a
million
dollars
would
get
you
several
hundred.
That
would
get
you
several
miles.
So
I'd
want
to
know
how
many
miles
they
really
need,
and
then
we
could
get
a
better
idea
of
how
much
they
would
need
in
in
dollars,
because
it's
I
don't
know
if
they
got
any.
It
sounds
like
I'd
like
to
see
know
if
they
got
any
bids
for
that.
G
There
was
a
lot
wrapped
up
in
in
that
that
from
last
year,
when
it
was
discussed
that
is
kind
of
pushed
into
the
the
two
words
there
so
yeah
they
have
more
detail.
I
would
be
very
interested
in
seeing
it
and
it
sounds
like
you
would
as
well.
H
Well,
yeah,
it's
hard
to
say,
because
you
know
we
we
can
trench.
C
D
C
Maybe
we
put
it
at
five
for
now
and
to
see
where
it
goes,
and
if
we
need
to
cut
it
more
later,
we
can
do
that
once
we
go
through
everything
else,.
D
G
For
pc
replacement,
that's
the
industry,
I'm
in,
and
I
know
that
every
time
you
defer
that
you
end
up
paying
your
people
a
lot
of
money
to
run
around
and
try
and
get
things
to
stretch
a
little
longer.
So
I'd
recommend
that
we
fund
that
fully.
D
I'd
like
to
jump
in
and
say
that
any
dollars
we
spend
on
alley,
maintenance
is
probably
a
dollar
well
spent.
I
I'm
very
lucky
to
live
in
an
area
where
I
don't
have
an
alley,
but
I
drive
around
englewood
and
virtually
everybody
else
has
an
alley
and
they're
a
muddy
pit.
C
D
B
If
I
could
jump
in,
I
went
to
the
big
300
page
and
if
you
want
I'll,
let
me
stop
sharing
this
particular
screen
and
I'll
share
this
current
screen
that
talks
about
the
infrastructure
and
see
if
that
answers
your
question.
B
H
H
B
H
H
D
H
D
H
And
we
also
have
another
in
that
sub
topic
because
he
just
mentioned
pcs.
There's
there's
one
in
there
for
I
team
network-
and
I
know
that
we
had
a
our
systems-
was-
were
hacked
not
too
long
ago
a
couple
years
ago.
They
were
oh,
what
is
that
called
when
they
take
them
hostage?
D
H
Well,
I
do
know,
and
our
website
could
be
a
little
better
too.
We
might
think
about
funding
it's
one
of
the
it's
right
next
to
fiber
optics
with
the
pcs,
too.
We
might
think
about
funding
that.
B
So,
are
you
good
if
I
stop
sharing
this
and
we
go
back
to
this
this
spreadsheet,
oh
yeah,.
D
Would
it
be
helpful
for
all
of
us
to
sort
of
take
a
look
at
this
list
and
think
of
the
things
that
we
don't
have
all
that
much
interest
in
and
maybe
cross
things
off
from
the
bottom
up,
or
is
that
a
bad
idea,
hard.
H
B
K
Well,
I
just
before
we
moved
on,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
what
kate
was
saying
earlier
about
the
concrete
ramps.
I
think
we
might
have
missed
putting
dollars
in
for
that
online
17.
B
D
B
Total
now
nancy,
taking
out
the
ada
compliance
projects,
we're
5.64.
B
G
Yeah
the
badge
system-
I
think
they
they
weren't
even
very
excited
about
when
talking
about
it,
based
on
the
potential
for
the
move
to
the
new
office.
So
I
am
in
favor
of
starting
with
zeros
and
some
of
these,
and
I
would
say,
the
badge
system
would
be
one
of
those
okay.
D
C
G
That's
actually
what
my
company
does
for
for
work,
and
they
do
end
up
being
way
more
complex
than
you
would
think,
and
you
ask:
why
does
it
need
to
be
that
complex
and
then
you
dig
into
it
and
it
does
sometimes
need
to
be.
That
said,
I
don't
know
that
we
should
necessarily
put
the
money
toward
it,
but
that
a
half,
a
million
dollars
to
replace
a
phone
system
every
x
number
of
years
is
not
completely
unreasonable.
A
B
D
We
have
a
say
over,
yes,
so
there's
a
lot
of
whole
there's
many
many
many
lines
in
that
300
page
document,
but
these
are.
These-
are
the
items
that
we
need
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council.
F
C
C
B
C
G
Oops
yup
no
once
again
call
and
ask
my
question
right
before
I
did.
B
G
J
D
J
Okay,
so
I
I
do
think
I
do
think
that
tiers
one
through
three
now
you're
correct,
you're,
correct
nancy.
I
believe
the
total
of
all
the
projects
is
looks
like
14.9
million
and
and
that
is
tiers
well
tiers,
one
through
three
within
those
funds
total
approximately
15.5
million,
but
the
tier
one.
Only
projects
total
12
million.
J
J
That
totals
14.9
million
and
it
sounds
like
that
does
represent
tiers
one
through
three
okay.
B
C
But
maybe
before
we
do
that-
and
maybe
we
do
go
over
to
that
spreadsheet
because
it
does
show-
looks
like
the
tier
1
or
5.4
million
for
the
capital
like
you're,
saying
I
mean
is
if,
if
we
can
just
do
the
tier
ones
on
both
and
then
throw
a
little
more
in,
can
I
get
maybe
declare
what
is
the
difference
between
tier
one,
two
or
three?
Is
it
the
preference
of
them?
Is
it
the
necessity
of
them?
I
don't
recall
exactly
what
that
differentiates.
B
My
understanding
brad,
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
that
is
how
the
department
directors
have
prioritized
them.
I
feel
like
for
public
works,
maria
d'andrea
and
her
team
would
have
prioritized.
B
E
B
H
H
So
that's
tough.
I
just
wanted
to
say
something
about
the
tier
three,
though
at
the
bottom,
because
of
the
library
situation,
there's
a
little
bit
of
money
thrown
at
the
very
bottom
for
a
couple
of
things.
One
was
a
feasibility
study,
yeah
line
for
58.
E
H
Entry
exit
on
the
east
side
of
the
library-
I
understand
the
importance
of
that,
but
if
we
are
moving
the
library
and
the
reason
is
everyone,
because
we
might
want
to
go
ahead
and
give
them
some,
I
think,
there's
a
security
line
in
here
too
is
we've
not
been
able
to
keep
any
librarians
in
the
library
everybody's
quitting,
because
we
have
so
many
walk-ins
and
they're
having
a
real
hard
time.
H
They're
like
bouncers,
not
librarians,
we've
lost
so
much
staff,
it's
really
bad.
Maybe
if
we
want
to
forego
that,
I
think
down
below
there
was
something
about
security.
It's
not
it
cameras
it's
a
little
bit.
Well,
yes,
security,
civic
center
and
rec
center.
I
don't
know
what
that
entails,
but
maybe
they
could
tell
us.
C
Just
to
like
make
sure
we
are
on
track
like
michelle
was
saying
that
the
very
well,
I
guess
the
second
page
of
the
agenda
does
say
that
staff
is
requesting
commission
to
review
tier
1
projects
for
30
and
31.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
take
out
any
of
the
tier
two
and
tier
three
just
so,
we
don't
have
to
go
through
that
and
it
might
just
be
kind
of
stepping
through
which
ones
and
zeroing
out
ones
on
the
recommended
tab
for
ones
that
are
tier,
two
or
tier
three.
B
K
K
So
we
don't
have
as
big
of
a
gap
if
we
are
just
looking
at
the
tier
one
to
reduce,
but
if
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
all
of
them,
I
guess
that
point
might
not
be
very
helpful,
but.
D
Well,
let
me
ask
a
follow-up
question
on
that
nancy
of
the
things
that
we've
recommended
so
far.
Are
there
tier
two
and
tier
three
ones
in
there
or
do
you
have
that
information.
B
H
H
B
C
Because
we
can
be
actively
going
back
and
forth,
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
you
have
that
other.
If
you
have
this
documents
off
to
the
side
for
you
and
we
can
just
go
down
that
column
and
just
say
which
one's
one
one
one
one
one
and
then
we
can
kind
of
be
able
to
then
say:
okay,
these
are
the
ones
at
least.
We
know
that
and
then
between
two
and
three.
I
don't
know
that
matters
as
much
as
long
as
we
know,
which
ones
are
the
two
ones.
B
Oops
cake
winner
meg,
actually.
B
B
F
Yeah
and
then
I
know
emerald
ash
borer
was
someone
was
telling
us.
It
really
needs
to
be
a
priority
for
the
tree
canopy,
so
that
one
was
50
000.
I
think,
and
for
this
art
in
public
places
I
saw
it's
yellow.
Is
that?
Because
we
don't
need
to
account
for
that
or.
B
F
B
F
Thing
for
our
acquisition
right
here.
Yes,
so
I
really
would
want
to
support
that.
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
difference
to
if
we
have
to
cut
it
a
little
bit
this
year,
what
that
would
look
like
or
how
that
would
impact
it
if
we
did
two
200
instead
of
250
or
it
looked
like
it's
to
maintain
our
existing
statues
and
art,
so
I
wouldn't
really
want
to
cut
it
if
that
was
what
they
needed
to
maintain
everything.
H
H
L
C
Art
over
time,
at
replacing
outdoor
art
over
time
as
needed
to
ever
carry
new
art
for
the
city.
Maintenance
of
ours
also
included
in
the
annual
cost
outdoor
pieces
of
artwork
and.
H
C
Support
our
I
feel
like
that,
might
I
would
like
to
see
that
maybe
a
little
bit
lower
than
250
000,
considering
we're
only
putting
in
you
know
that
much
for
you
know
some
of
the
ramps
and
things
like
that
that
I
think
are
safety
issues
and
things.
D
C
D
You
go,
but
I
agree.
I
think
people's
at
the
top
of
the
mind
and
people's
inglewood
world
is
things
like
alleys,
and
you
know
public
safety
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah,
that's.
D
D
Did
we
fully
address
the
library
issue
with
doing
the
study
or
installing
emergency
exits
in
the
library
or
actually
changing
to
the
west
side
closure?
Did
we
get
that
discussion
all
thrust
out.
H
I
I
was
just
wondering:
are
we?
Is
it
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
some
time
before
we
have
a
new
library
and
a
new
city
center
so
for
15
000?
H
D
H
I
think
a
security
civic
center
at
the
rec
center
security
civic
center.
I
think
that's,
that's
a
good
20
000
spent
that
might
help
them.
You
know
they
only
have
to
have.
I
think,
a
head
count
for
one
security
guard,
so
maybe
that
was
I
don't
know
for
the
fall
civic
center
too,
which
is
not
the
library
that
keeps
somebody's
coming
in
zero.
C
D
H
B
F
A
cheat
sheet
on
page,
I
think,
like
14,
15
16,
where
all
of
them
are
listed
on
the
left
column,
and
I
that
shows
you
the
page.
You
don't.
G
Road
and
bridge,
as
well
as
the
I
forget,
the
wording
of
the
security
one
at
the
bottom
you're
just
talk
or
sorry,
road
and
bridge
and
facilities
and
operations
both
really
have
no
info
in
them
in
the
description
and
justification
and
the
large
pdf.
So
that
those
would
be
two
that
I
would
be
interested
in
nancy
and
getting
some
more
information
on.
B
G
C
So,
going
back
to
dartmouth
having
to
reconstruct
like,
I
said
we
kind
of
kicked
the
can
on
that
one
last
year
and
it's
the
basically
the
section
of
payment
that
goes
towards
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
So
it's
kind
of
a
big
one
for
our
utilities
and
something
that
they've
been.
I
feel
like
it
was.
C
It
was
part
of
the
conversation
during
the
meeting
that
something
like
if
they
don't
do
it
now,
it's
never
going
to
happen,
but
I
don't
remember
if
they
said
that
was
a
good
or
a
bad
thing
per
se.
C
It
is
a
a
tier
one,
you
know,
and
because
of
the
reality
of
what
we
have,
I
think
it
I
I
would
lean
towards
at
least
putting
the
750
towards
it
as
a
something
that
we
need
to
maintain
because
it's
it
isn't
magic
just
throwing
that
out
there,
and
I
would
agree,
though,
with
knoll
about
the
rodent
bridge.
There's
like
nothing
in
here
about
it
and
it
almost
looks
like
I
think
what
what
do
they
say.
It's
the
yeah
come
on
infrastructure,
curve,
sidewalks
and
streets.
B
D
F
Mine
wasn't
a
question,
but
I
was
just
gonna
advocate
for
the
flower
bed
program,
but
I
was
trying
to
look
up
the
page
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
40
000
because
it
sounds
low
on
our
sheet.
But
as
I
thought
about
it,
I
honestly
have
a
black
thumb.
So
I'm
not
not
an
expert
with
flower
bed,
so
I
was
just
going
to
look
up
to
see
if
that
was
a
good
amount
of
money
or
maybe
we
did
reduce
to
like
35
or
something.
D
Well-
and
I
wanted
to
make
a
comment
too,
that
might
help-
or
maybe
it
just
confuses
everything
that
I
think
last
year
we
had
a
conversation
about,
let's
make
sure
that
we
try
to
allocate
money
or
at
least
recognize
by
giving
money
to
projects
that
really
touch
our
citizens
and
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
a
thought
to
help.
You
focus
your
your
thoughts
on
what
we
need
to
fund
and
not
fund.
That's
all.
C
K
I
guess,
along
the
lines
of
you,
know
michelle
what
you
were
just
talking
about
this
more
philosophical
statement,
but
I
I
don't
know
I've
been
looking
at
some
of
these
smaller
dollars
like
a
15,
000
feasibility
study.
I
guess
one
of
my
questions
is:
is
that
enough
breathing
room
and
an
operating
budget
of
a
department
or
that
that
could
be
absorbed
elsewhere
and
not
take
away
from
these
larger
projects
that
do
require?
You
know
significant,
more
rece,
more
resources?
K
I
know
15
000
is
a
small
number
in
this
grand
scheme,
but
it
could
also
be
you
know,
able
to
be
fit
elsewhere
in
budgets,
and
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
city
staff
has
any
insight
into
that,
because
I
would
the
bigger
projects
are
harder
to
fund,
so
the
more
we
could
find
of
more
expensive
projects.
I
think
that
is
always
beneficial
for
departments
to
move
things
forward.
D
I
totally
agree
the
most
bang
for
the
buck
is,
I
think,
all
of
the
commissioner's
priority,
and
maybe
some
of
the
smaller
ones
that
might
be
better
thought
of
would
be
like
some
of
this.
I
think
there
are
some
benches
and
things
like
that
around
the
transportation,
but
you're
absolutely
right.
We
need
to.
G
One
thing
that
came
up,
I
think
it
was
last
year
around
flowers
was
whether
were
you
know.
The
city
is
moving
toward
more
water,
friendly
plantings.
G
G
H
A
big
flower
spread
near
hampton
in
the
shape
of
the
englewood
logo
out
of
poinsettias,
but
there
has
been
a
movement
with
within
keep
anger
with
beautiful
and
some
to
create
native
species,
gardens
like
they
did
by
the
off
dartmouth
there
by
our
old
englewood
station.
H
So
I
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
fund
it,
but
that
wasn't
what
I
wanted
to
ask.
I
wanted
to
ask
within
some
of
this
specific
line
items
like
union
avenue
bridge
if
they're
asking
for
400
000.
If
we
were
just
to
give
them
200
000,
can
they
really
get
the
whole
project
done
I
mean?
H
Is
it
really
up
to
us
to
say
no,
you
can't
have
all
of
it.
You
can
only
have
some
of
them.
Does
that
mean
we
only
get
half
the
bridge
done
my?
What
up
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
some
of
them
specific,
like
union
and
possibly
dartmouth,
have
these
dollars
amounts
because
that's
what
it
needs
to
get
the
whole
project
down
and
will
you
know
the
answer
to
that
and
you
get
the
gist
of
what
I'm
saying.
H
So
it
seems
like
maybe
400
000,
to
keep
the
thing
from
falling
down
and
1.8
to
redo
it
now.
Sometimes,
when
you
don't
spend
this
year,
that
1.8
could
turn
into
more
money.
If
we
don't
do
something
this
year
and
then
later
on,
it
costs
way
more
money
to
do,
but
we
find
out,
if
that's
true
about
this
project.
E
Sorry,
when
you
see
those
numbers
for
some
of
these
larger
items
relative
to
some
of
the
bridge
projects
and
major
street
projects,
what
you
see
is,
if
you
see
a
a
smaller
number
in
the
first
year
and
a
larger
number
in
the
second
year.
That's
typically,
the
first
number
is
design
and
then
the
second.
The
second
number
is
construction.
So
I
do
think
you
raise
a
good
point
brenda
about.
E
If
the
design
is
priced
at
400
000
and
it's
you
know,
you
recommend
two:
there
is
a
gap
created
there,
but
in
general
it
doesn't
apply
to
every
project,
but
a
lot
of
the
public
works
projects
have
a
design
element
in
one
year
and
then
that's
followed
and
out
years
with
construction.
C
D
C
Yeah
one
other
question
that
I
had
is
on
some
of
these
items
like
roden
bridge,
that
we
put
300
000
to
the
concrete
utility
city
share,
103
325
000
to
I
think
we
asked
earlier,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
think
we're
looking
at
what
we
budgeted
for
last
year,
but
I
think
mike
might
have
asked-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
true.
What
do
we
actually
spend
on?
Those
like
are
we
is?
Are
we
spending
that
whole
money?
Are
we
not
spending
it
like?
C
Should
we
allocate
it
a
little
bit
better?
I
guess:
is
there
any
way
to
find
out
that
information,
maybe
before
next
me?
Now?
Obviously,
it's
not
something
we
can
find
out
today,
but
something
that
would
be
good
on
some
of
these
more
generic
numbers
which
what
they
actually
spent
in
those.
B
E
D
B
Sense,
I
can
run
a
capital
project
report
and
see
we
can
have
that
for
the
next
meeting.
If
that
works
for
everyone.
B
G
I
really
appreciate
it
in
previous
years
having
the
directors
come
to
our
meeting,
to
be
able
to
answer
some
of
these
questions
in
in
real
time,
and
I
definitely
understand
that
it's
a
a
large
drain
on
their
time
for
the
number
of
place.
They'd
have
to
go,
but
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
that
if
we
send
one
list
of
questions
over
after
tonight,
that
will
then
get
answers
back
they'll
review
next
time.
That
will
then
don't
really
have
an
opportunity
to
get
another.
Another
round
kind
of
like
email
versus
a
phone
call.
L
E
No
I'll
note
that,
and
I
will
share
that
with
my
colleagues.
Thank
you.
C
Let
let's
run
through
if
you,
if
it's
okay,
maybe
we
can
just
get
the
rest
of
them
tier
one
ones
identified.
So
we
can
like
the
concrete
utility
is
a
tier
one.
I
saw
that.
C
F
B
F
G
Okay,
and
no,
if
I
recall
a
new
signal,
was
900
000,
so
yes,
that
amount
to
maintain
them
is
good.
The
the
network
development.
I
t,
I
think
we
should
fund
that
fully
and
that's
a
similar
where,
if
you
let
end
of
life
devices,
stick
around
you
end
up
paying
more
in
in
people
costs.
B
D
C
C
It
is
a
tier
one,
also
just
as
inside
nancy.
G
Point
correct
on
page
204.
C
I
guess
does
any
is
that
the
part
of
the
dda
redevelopment
putting
in
a
new
building-
and
I
guess
does
that
at
all
influence
our
thoughts
on
the
library
and
the
fact
that
that
we're
putting
50
000
if
we're
doing
the
security
and
the
other
doors,
but
we're
also
looking
at
this,
looks
like
it's
a
new.
This
says
reconstruct,
centralized
public
works
department
facility
at
the
survey
center
site.
H
I
G
I
was
mixing
up
this
one
on
page
201.
It
does
not
mention
design.
It's
consolidation
of
public
works
staff
into
one
modern
facility.
C
E
C
E
So
that's
the
construction
of
a
building
at
the
service
center,
which
is
just
north
of
the
water
treatment
plant,
so
it
would
be
part
of
public
works,
would
be
vacating
the
civic
center
area,
irrespective
of
whether
the
building
stays
or
it's
replaced
during
the
redevelopment,
because
it
would
consolidate
their
operations
in
that
area.
That's
not
in
the
dda
area.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
E
I
think
there's
multiple
funds
involved
in
that,
including
some
of
the
utility
funds
relative
to
some
of
the
non,
but
not
not
these
two
funds
there's
elsewhere
as
well.
E
It's
modernized
and
and
both
public
works
utilities
and
wastewater
all
have
staff
working
in
temporary
trailers
throughout
the
city.
So
it's
it's
really
kind
of
right
sizing
the
operations
for
the
longer
term
future
in
a
consolidated
location.
C
Just
realize
it
actually
has
its
own
fund
the
service
center
fund,
as
opposed
to
I
mean
there,
there's
multiple
funds
contributing
money
to
it,
but
there's
also
its
own
funds
as
well.
D
F
Fuller
facilities
and
operations
had
a
big
dollar
amount
next
to
it,
and
it
didn't
have
a
lot
of
information
in
our
packet.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
someone
on
the
call
or
we
could
get
an
answer
from
someone-
can
sort
of
give
us
more
insight
to
what
that
goes
towards
or
what
we
spent
on
it
last
year.
C
F
D
Okay,
though,
the
commissioners
have
other
comments
on
any
of
these
line
items,
and
I
have
a
question
for
brooke:
do
you
feel
that
having
a
mere
three
quarters
of
a
million
left
to
spend
is
a
good
enough
progress
until
we
get
answers
to
these
questions?.
J
I
think
so
I
think
so
and
it'll
give
the
commission
a
little
bit
of
time
to
mull
it
over
yeah.
I
think
there's
been
some
good
progress
made.
B
A
We're
asking
for
and
for
more
information
on
the
road
and
bridge
and
then
there's
another
one
that
bridge
repair
or
bridge
something
right
below
the
view
down
from
that.
A
What
what
is
the
difference
between
those
two
bridge
repairs
there?
It
was.
B
K
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
could
run
through
now
that
you've
taken
the
time
to
put
all
the
tier
ones
in
and
just
see
if
there
are
any,
that
we
haven't
allocated
any
funds
to.
H
B
Disclosure,
I
haven't
gotten
all
the
tier,
I'm
not
sure
I've
gotten
all
the
tier
ones
in
them,
but
I'm
working
as
fast
as
I
can
so
there
are.
There
are
some
that
you
haven't
put
funds
in
that
our
tier
ones
and
I'll
keep
working
on
that.
If
you
want-
or
I
can
fill
them
in
and
send
them
out
to
you
for
the
next
meeting.
Whatever
your
pleasure.
D
Meg
would
have
nancy
phil.
These
fill
this
that
first
column
out
and
send
that
to
us,
for
the
next
meeting
is
that
is
that
what
you're
asking
for.
K
B
K
D
K
D
K
B
D
B
G
C
Nancy
concrete
program
is
a
tier
one,
also
that
you
have
right
there
on
line
17,
yeah
and
parks
and
rec.
That
said,
that's
another
one,
I'd
like
to
again
more
information,
I'd
love
to
just
see
what
they
spent
last
year.
I
don't
know
if
that's
similar
to
the
more
information
requests,
there's
a
couple
of
them
that
I
feel
like
they're
just
funds
and
if
they're
using
all
those,
then
you
know,
I
think
I
support
utilizing
them,
continue
to
use
them.
If
they're,
you
know
being
reallocated
other
places.
B
C
So
that
one
is
all
again
for
wanting
more
information,
what
did
they
spend
on
them?
And
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
if
that
means
more
information,
some
of
them
there's
like
nothing
in
the
program
details.
Some
of
them,
like
concrete
utility
fund,
has
annual
repair
to
damage
concrete
gutter
and
pan.
So
they
kind
of
explain
a
little
bit
more,
but
I'd
love
to
know
what
they
actually
spent
last
year.
If
that's
a
possibility.
C
D
So
nancy,
what
do
we
need?
Do
we
need
to
have
a
motion
for
the
the
draft
capital
improvements
or
what
what
do
we
need
to
move
forward
here?.
B
Now,
since
either
you
know
brad's
going
to
talk
to
the
directors
and
to
see
if
they
can
attend
next
or
we'll
get
answers-
or
I
think
we're
good
for
for
now,
because
this
is
still
very
draft
and
it'll
stay
a
draft
because
it's
a
work,
it's
a
working
document,
so
we're
good
okay.
What
we
have
right
now,
if
colin.
C
B
C
J
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
items
for
the
for
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
agenda
other
than
the
steering
committee
meeting
at
six
that
you
mentioned.
Okay,.
F
D
Okay,
all
right.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
staff's
choice
and
the
first
one
is
up
pending
cases
at
city
council.
B
That's
just
up
if
I
may
chair,
that's
just
a
placeholder,
for
if
there
are
any
items
that
the
commission
has
recommended
to
city
council
and
has
proceeded,
we
don't
have
any
current
puds
at
the
city
council
and,
I
believe,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I've
sent
out
the
updates
on
the
last
three
that
were
approved
by
council.
Okay,
perfect.
B
D
D
Okay,
you're
welcome
all
right,
well
great,
work
today
and
yeah.
I
agree
that
we
all
need
to
make
sure
we
send
our
questions
through
nancy
so
that
we
can
basically
finalize
our
recommendation
next
meeting.
Okay,
ronda
attorney's
choice.
M
Hi
there,
so
I
don't
have
anything
really
to
report
at
this
time.
I
just
I
do
just
want
to
remind
all
of
you.
You
had
sent
around
some
emails
about
the
open
meeting
laws
and
just
to
continue
to
adhere
to
those
there's.
M
No
issues
that
we're
aware
of
with
respect
to
your
commission,
but
just
a
general
reminder
to
adhere
to
those
practices
and
to
the
extent
that
whoever
just
another
broad
reminder
that,
if
a
developer
were
to
contact
you
in
your
individual
capacity
to
make
sure
that
any
conversations
take
place
in
the
form
of
a
public
hearing.
Especially
when
that
developer
has
business
before
the
city.
M
D
Given
recent
headlines,
I'm
an
old-fashioned
person
that
still
gets
the
paper
on
my
my
driveway.
Every
there's
been
some
other
entities
that
have
been
in
some
problems.
So
I
appreciate
the
reminder
about
that.
So
all
right
commissioner's
choice,
colin.
A
I
have
a
question
on
the
open
meetings.
Is
that
considered
to
be
the
the
planning
ignored
planning
group
when
they
meet
with
skb
and
triba?
Is
that
a
public
meeting.
H
So
he
means
when
they
have
public
hearings
in
the
neighborhood
when
they're,
just
for
instance,
you
know
they
send
an
invite
to
everybody
and
we're
at
those
meetings
because
we're
residents
so
we're
going
to
ask
questions
now:
we're
not
representing
planning
and
zoning.
At
that
point
we're
merely
resident.
I
think
that's
what
he's
trying
to
clarify.
M
Got
it
I
I
understand
so
in
those
situations
when
there's
three
or
more
of
you,
and
that
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you're,
not
speaking
together,
where
you're
making
any
kind
of
decision
or
deliberation
at
those
meetings,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
properly
noticed
and
put
on
an
agenda.
It's
fine
for
you
to
be
at
those
meetings
and
ask
questions
your
residents
of
the
community.
A
So
does
that
go
for
planning
in
the
the
planning
department
and
the
developers
and
the
architects
because
they're
there
they
usually
have
two
or
three
people
per
team
there.
So
that's
multiple
people.
M
Right
so
those
those
conversations
are
taking
place
in
the
open
in
front
of
other
constituents
where
they're
able
to
hear
what
those
pro
you
know,
what
what
those
conversations
are
all
about.
There
is
notice
provided
about
when
those
meetings
take
place.
So
I
don't
remember
any
foul
of
an
open
meeting
violation
and
that.
A
Are
the
the
planning
the
developer
meetings?
Are
they
public
that
are
they
publicized
somewhere
and
open
meetings.
M
If
it's
the
same
kind
of
meetings
that
we
were
just
talking
about
where,
where
residents
are,
are
you
know
these
are
town?
You
know
forums
like
that
kind
of
a
situation?
I
I
think
that
they
would,
they
would
still
qualify.
I
I'm
not
when
you're
saying
developer
meeting
I
I
might
not
know
I'm
worried.
I
don't
know
what
you're
what
you're
mean.
D
A
With
with
the
planning
group
of
the
english
and
the
architects
that
are
designing,
the
development.
L
L
If
it's,
if
the
commission
has
already
made
a
decision
or
a
zone,
change
has
already
happened
or
something
like
that,
and
those
meetings
are
happening
to
implement
a
project
like
after
a
decision
has
been
made.
Then
I
wouldn't
see
those
as
needing
to
be
open
meetings
that
those
are
more.
You
know
kind
of
going
through
city
processes,
whereas
if
it
was
a
developer,
who
has
a
proposed
project
coming
into
the
city?
And
this
you
know,
people
were
meeting
with
them
or
we
were
meeting
with
them
and
there's
a
decision
coming
up.
A
I
can't
get
together
with
two
other
planning
and
zoning
people,
but
they
can
seems
like
they
can
get
together
with
a
dozen
people
and
talk
about
what
they're
going.
E
M
I
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
question.
I
think
I'm
just
not
necessarily
aware
of
that
practice
taking
place,
so
I
I
might
be
struggling
to
understand
whether
there
are
commissioners
more
than
you
know
three
commissioners
present
where
decisions
are
getting
made
with
developers.
I'm
not,
I
just
might
not
know
what
it
is
you're
referring
to,
but
I
mean
certainly
as
kate,
discussed
and
mentioned,
and
to
the
extent
that
there's
a
decision
that's
being
brought
before
this
commission,
you
all
regarding
a
developer.
A
No,
it's
happening
all
the
time,
it's
they're
they're
having
their
meetings
and
then
they
come
to
us
to
tell
us
what
their
plan
is.
I'd
like
to
be
aware
of,
what's
that,
I
can't
I
can't
do
that
myself.
A
I
can't
meet
with
a
couple
other
people,
but
they
can.
That
doesn't
seem
to
be
fair
to
me.
K
I
think
I
don't
want
to
complicate
what
you're
trying
to
explain,
but
it
might
be
a
public
versus
private
conversation
and
I
think
carl,
what
you're
describing
are
like
the
private
consultants
developers
and
we're
arms
of
a
public
government,
and
so
we
have
rules
that
pertain
to
us
under
the
open
media
laws,
whereas
the
private
entities
don't.
So
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
you
describe
as
a
difference
but
victoria.
If
that
helps
you.
M
Yeah
with
that
clarification,
that's
what
it
sounds
like
to
me
that
I
mean
please
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
it
does
sound
like
you're
talking
about
a
situation
when
it's
the
private
developers
meeting
with
right
the
consultants
or
city
staff,
and
because
there
aren't
you
know,
elected
or
appointed
officials
involved,
the
open
meeting
laws
aren't
being
implicated.
D
A
Staff
and
the
developers
and
architects,
okay.
M
A
A
Many
many
people
volunteer
to
plant
those
gardens
and
the
forty
thousand,
I
don't
know
what
that's
for,
but
the
there's
a
lot
of
volunteers
that
are
involved
with
planting
those
gardens
and
weeding
them
later
on.