City of Englewood, Colorado Planning & Zoning Commission, 17 May 2022

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1. Call to Order

2. Approval of Minutes

Draft May 3, 2022 Minutes

3. Public Forum

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4. Staff's Choice

5. Attorney's Choice

6. Commissioner's Choice

7. Adjourn

4. 2023 Capital Improvement Projects

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A

Good evening, michelle.

B

B

um So other people are having trouble logging in to that they they were well. It makes me look feel a little bit better that I'm not the only one with technically with technology problems for the day, but uh you know it can happen. It can happen.

A

We're all here we're good look good.

B

I think we have a yeah, we have a minute to go. How are we doing on? uh I mean I know you sent an email out, but we didn't have a forum, but now we do.

A

I'm waiting for carl hasn't made it over yet noel and colin okay on the way.

C

A

B

I thought my air conditioner was out and I have spent if anybody needs things they need to get a new air conditioner or a new and or new furnace call me, because I've been good living that wonderland down that rabbit hole for the last few days, so um big big learning curve. So just give me a call, I can tell you how to shortcut it and ended up with a 600 freon charge instead of 17 000 of equipment. So there you go.

D

Who was the company that gave you the right info? I would like to know.

B

uh It's a very small company, called nordic n-o-r-d-I-c mark um and I involved bill smith sanders and johnson another another. I can't even remember action action or something I don't know something like that, so um yeah as a real estate agent. It's helpful for you to know absolutely absolutely.

D

Yeah there's a lot of those a lot of people out there. They'll just tell you, oh you got to replace everything you got to replace everything.

B

Well and I'm happy to replace everything within the next two years because of all the restrictions that are coming down the fight, but that's another type, but um I did well my uh a friend. That's a real estate agent asked for her recommendation and her recommendation didn't call me back for two days, so I'm just like yep you're gone so yep.

A

There austin everyone is here, that's going to be here. I believe perfect. Thank.

B

You for getting me back on track. I appreciate that very much so hearing such I am calling the uh planning and zoning meeting of may 17th to order and we need to take a rule to establish a foreign. Don't we we.

A

Do kate, townley is absent and mcdonaldson is absent. Colin haggerty.

C

A

Judy brown.

C

A

Kate, fuller here noel atkins.

C

A

Carl adams, here brenda hubka here and chair austin, a quorum, is present.

B

Perfect nancy, I thought I had my print out of the agenda in front of me, but I'm going to have to print another one out. So what is the next item on the agenda? Please approval of minutes. Okay, all right! Do um I hear him through a motion to approve the minutes.

B

I will move to approve, I think, may 3rd something like that right.

B

Yeah may 3rd yeah. Thank you second I'll. Second, thank you very much any discussion. Seeing none. um We need to vote to approve the minutes. We do call.

C

It yes, kate, yes, no.

E

C

Carl, yes,.

A

A

Brenda yes and chair austin, yes,.

C

B

Thank you very much.

B

It appears that my next item I need to do I need a do. I need a motion to open the public hearing.

A

We're not having a public hearing study session. Okay, uh it would be public uh public forum, but I do not.

F

See any that's.

C

A

But I do not see anyone on from the public, so we can head into the study session if you'd like.

B

Okay sounds like a great idea. um Am I to call on whom brad, whoever from staff about the capital improvements plan.

A

uh Here is a continuation of our last meeting. We have three of the directors on that the commissioners had requested to answer any questions. I can pull up the plan that we list that we had from last last meeting. This is where we left off.

B

Okay and since all of those um members or were they were sworn in before we don't have to sort them in again. Is that correct.

A

It's not a public, so it's not a public hearing chair. It's a study session, so there's no swearing yet perfect. Okay, can everyone see the spreadsheet? Is that big enough.

G

Do we want to start with the questions it looked like brian might have been going into? uh Maybe certain talk.

C

uh Yeah I gave a whole introduction on mute, so I'm sorry about that. Oh.

A

That's okay. I was wondering brian thank you.

C

um I I really don't have anything to add other than let's I think it'd be best just to start with the questions that you all had um that we either kind of farmed out to the different directors or they're here to kind of answer any of those questions and we can go from there.

G

I guess nancy, do you have that list of questions? I forgot if that was included in the information that was sent out.

A

It was, if you give me a moment, I can pull it up.

G

A

Okay, can you see those questions.

G

I see your windows explorer, showing the questions highlighted.

C

A

C

A

It's not okay, sorry folks,.

A

Okay, what about now.

C

G

B

So brian did you want to start with going through this? uh The list of these questions.

C

I can, um I think, the first one that you all had a question about were: where was to identify the projects that were shovel ready or received funding from previous years? How were those dollars spent from previous years?

C

Do you want me to just read through all of them or how would you like me to proceed chair.

B

No, that's fine with me and uh if any of the commissioners have any questions and want to stop him from going forward, just raise your hand sounds good.

G

I I'd say one: we go through one at a time, the question, so we know how we're assessing each one of those. I think it would be good.

B

Okay, we'll do that. That's fine.

G

So yes, brian, I know you're coming in new, so uh probably gonna need some assistance on which projects receive funding from the previous year, um and you know which one were kind of shovel ready that we would need to continue spending that money and then I guess some of those as how was that money spent. Was it all spent things like that.

A

Would you like sorry all.

C

Right, I was gonna say if any of the directors are able.

A

C

Answer or respond, please sorry, sorry, bro.

H

And respond on behalf of parks and recreation on our projects that we've got in my departments- um I don't see maria d'andrea on here, so um she's got the majority, but um the erc upgrades that are under the public improvement funds. um We have additional 200 000 in there. This project is ready to go and it should kick off actually the beginning of 2023 and probably uh lasts um mid-year. If not the fall- and this is a this that has been this- is fairly new.

H

We have had erc upgrades for the recreation center as part of a capital improvement project for many years now. Kind of building the funds up and uh the goal is to fully implement the project and complete it within next year.

B

Thank you so much for that information, but before we go for forward, can you identify um on our spreadsheet? Sounds like you, you're, okay with us, reducing it by two hundred thousand? I just wanna misunderstand what you're saying.

H

No that one the request is for additional 200 000, which is needed based off of the bids um that we're looking at for the improvements. As you know, costs are going up, unfortunately, and so the project is costing more than initially budgeted for probably five years ago,.

C

H

And it looks like we've got one more under tier one, which is the under the fund 30 for public improvement for parks and rec, which is the parking lot uh maintenance piece that one. Unfortunately, we just got bids in for a parking lot at the inglewood recreation center in mali uh recreation center as well, and the bids came in at 99 000 to do those two lots, which is unheard of we've not received such high bids in forever, and so we may do some basic maintenance on those and roll those projects to next year.

H

So we bank the 60, 000 and roll it to the 60 000. We have in 2022 and roll it to 2023 in order to complete those lots fully.

B

Well, that's because oils hit almost 115 dollars a barrel, so that's that's where that price increase has come from. I think, has his hand up.

G

I was just going to note that yeah I just got hit on a project for about a 25 increase on asphalt costs um and they said that they were hoping that that was going to be it. um So it was even just a couple months ago. They thought it was going to be okay, but not right.

B

Now, even a couple of months ago, oil was under 100, so but it's 115 now so.

H

So, depending on cost you see, 20 23 is 60 000. It very well could be rolled again depending on how things go. The hope is we stay, steady or drop in and cost and time here so yeah.

G

And I think for something like that- it's good to know that you might consider holding off on that because we don't have enough money to go through so that 60 000 might be a good one to um kind of pull off to the side. So thank you for that um clarification.

C

G

um And I think you said you're not sure if our director deandre was on, I think a couple of the questions did have to do with the generic bridge repairs and street reconstruction that had 300 500, which were about the same as last year.

G

You know what kind of spending was was done for those and and those kind of things, I'm not sure. If you have any insight on that.

A

I do not, if I could jump in, I just heard from uh director deandre. She got kicked out of the meeting she's trying to get back on now so and we.

C

A

Have jeremy from I.t to answer any questions on on the meeting too thanks.

I

I can answer a couple of things. This would probably answer one and kind of two one of the major projects is the fiber project that we should probably discuss a little bit. um We completed a fiber design for the city, so basically it's the core network, it's the core network and we thought about.

I

What's it going to look like 30 to 50 years out and what could we be faced? Could we be faced with municipal isps, um how what's autonomous vehicles looking like what smart city is going to be looking like? So we really designed this um this fiber project to meet those needs and get the core city the core city done, along with trying to get all of our current assets uh connected up so parks, uh getting all the parks their irrigations.

I

um So there might be security cameras that we need to set up.

I

There might be wi-fi access that we want to put in the parks or, and then our traffic signals getting our traffic signals online, um our scada for water and wastewater, our sewer so being able and all of our city buildings, so the whole design encompassed all of that and unfortunately, when we got done the total, we wanted to really find out what were we up against and how do we prioritize this because it does cost a lot of money to put in the ground this fiber in the ground, so the total cost of the project estimated around 20 20 million dollars for the full on project.

I

So you know if we put a million dollars in per year, it's going to take us 20 20 years to get the city covered and get our buildings covered. But you know I know, that's not realistic, um so you know and what is that going to do to other projects? Well, I would say if we, if we took money away from the project, it just delays and we just have to figure out, find creative ways and also try to find other fundings, because those are other things that we're trying to look for as well.

I

So um if you guys have any questions on that, um I'm here to answer those.

B

I have, I see a couple hands up so go ahead. Nancy.

A

That's okay, colin and then noah.

G

No, I'm sure noah will have some more intelligent questions being um in the field, but isn't some of the um stimulus money funding money for fiber networks? Would the city qualify for any of that um type of money? To I don't know if that's broadband only or if that actually would include fiber if any anything has been investigated on that front,.

I

Yeah unfortunately, like the arpa funds and the um and the new infrastructure, uh they have broadband money for federal funding set aside um and basically what the federal government has done is said that money is basically re uh reserved for the unserved or underserved, and basically that means, if there's more, if you have in your area, um an isp that can provide, I believe to the federal government is above 25 megabits per second, then we are served so basically we don't qualify for any of those funding. The that funding.

I

There is other things that we can look at too, for, like the infrastructure saying um since all departments, parks and rec utilities, um the city we worked all together for this, there might be other opportunities to work with public works or utilities, with some as infrastructure grants to say well as they're upgrading some of their systems or like utilities, they need to upgrade security at their sites and they need to get fiber there.

I

Well, our design is done, it's shovel ready, so that was the whole goal is to get a design done because a lot of these grants they want it to be shovel ready. So you can just give them the thing say: I need this done so we're prepared in that. So as they come up and those opportunities come up, we're prepared to submit for grants to try to get that stuff done, but I'm also trying to prepare and try to secure funding down the road to start.

I

You know constructing this, this fiber network we're not going to be able to get it done in five years because of funding. Did that answer? Your question colin.

G

Yes, uh yes, thank you. I appreciate it. Okay,.

E

No, are there milestones or gates um for this deployment that you can share where you know, if we can put in three million we're going to be able to do xyz and that's kind of the main uh or that's the push first thing.

I

uh As we speak right now, no, we we don't have those milestones in this priority set right now. We are beginning to work on those priorities, because we do have some funding for this year to put some stuff down. We have a. We have roughly a million dollars to start the construction of the project.

I

um I know my priorities is to at least get to um the police department and the rec center, because we are paying for comcast the franchise agreement ended. We no longer get to use their fiber for free, so now we have to start paying for it, so those some of our buildings is actually trying to get. There is a priority, but I really want to work with the departments to come up with a plan and get those milestones down. So um we can budget a little bit easier on that.

E

Right, yeah, and um with those I was you kind of touched on. My next question is um you know what are we paying to outside vendors and how does that reduce as x number of dollars get put into the um into the fiber project or, like I said this in the last call, you know anything on this list where we can spend money that makes money. um You know, I think, is worth identifying or spend money to. Save money is worth identifying.

I

Well, unfortunately, putting fiber and having your own fiber in the ground, it costs money and you're, really not going to recoup a lot of costs by um you're, not going to recoup a lot of costs by removing your additional costs. It's still going to take a long time to recover some costs of what we're currently paying for bandwidth.

I

But the issues are: let's say we wanted to do a municipal isp. We would have to have our own infrastructure to do that. We would not be able to use with the contracts that infrastructure to provide internet service to homes gigabit internet to the home. So we wouldn't be able to do that kind of a commercial service over lease lines. We would have to have our own fiber in the ground.

I

It is quite an expense, but we got to prioritize it.

B

So trying to bring this back to what we're trying to decide and work towards um if I were, if I'm looking at this spreadsheet correctly, I think you asked for a million and at our current um thought process is half of that. What does that mean to um your thank you nancy for bringing that up.

I

Yeah there was a millionaire next year. Yeah there was a million in there. I do I I did expect. I mean for it to um be cut, pretty pretty good, because you know we only got one pot, one pot to share amongst everybody. um It will just you know, delay the project I mean I shouldn't say, delay. It just add more time to the project to be completed.

I

You know that that's really all it is it's time time that that would do that um in you know, 500 would get us somewhere. I mean one of the issues in 2019.

I

um The state of colorado initiated a bill that that they have to do uh subsurface, utility and engineering on all the designs for permitting and stuff, and that has increased our cost for deploying fiber significantly because of the engineering time that it takes so every crossing they have to the city requires for the permit, a cla or, um I believe, it's a class, a so that which that means is they have to pothole and physically find the depth of each crossing of the utilities there and put them on on the plans in order to issue the permit.

I

G

And have it stamped.

I

And have it stamped yes,.

G

Which is a whole another.

I

Right so it you know and then so that just increased the cost, it basically doubled or tripled the cost. You know per mile on a lot of that stuff. So the reality is, if you cut it in half I mean it's, it's only timing, but you know there's other I mean within 20 years. We want to finish this project, I'm sure there's you know other opportunities that will arise with other grant funding opportunities.

I

So it's not like a die hard that we have to have a million, but it also depends on what everybody's priorities are when when it comes to smart cities- and you know- I don't know what council would want to be and what the city needs to provide for the citizens. So you know- and that's really where what it's going to come down to.

B

Well, that's helpful. Thank you very much. um I want to ask a quick question of staff. uh What is the anticipated outcome for tonight's meeting? Are we supposed to have all of our recommendations voted upon to forward to city council or help me out here.

A

If I could answer that, yes, we have to have an agreement tonight of your list of recommendations, so we can forward those on to the city manager, because you will not have a meeting again unless you want to meet next week. We would not have another meeting before that. Memo is due to the city manager.

B

Okay- so I just want to be mindful of our time and where we're trying to go. um Are there any other folks from staff that can answer? I think any of the questions on that list before.

B

If not, how much money do we have to spend and how much have we recommended already and let's just go through and figure this out.

A

Christine may be able to uh or director underhill excuse me might be able to answer. They had a question. Would security, civic and rec center project be similar to the library door project.

H

Those are two separate projects, so the library requests to do the feasibility study for changing how the entrance exit points are as well as adding those new doorways in uh for safety reasons was actually brought forth from the library board itself.

H

It's for the charter they're supposed to be recommending different capital projects, and this, I think, might be the first year in a long while that they've done that, and so those are the two that they came up with for um 2023 to implement. So it's different than the overall facility uh project for the security and uh the rec center. So unfortunately, I think directed to andre could answer that piece of it as it falls on her purview.

A

And unfortunately, I just heard from director, d'andrea and her internet is not working, so it doesn't doesn't seem that she's going to be able to make it anytime soon.

H

Okay, that makes it easy. That means I t and parks and rec get a lot of money right.

B

Which is not a bad thing, sometimes.

G

Nancy, would you mind bringing the um questions back up. I know I apologize. I know you have to keep switching back, um maybe I'll even take a screenshot of them, so I can have them and be looking at them same time just want to make sure we cover the questions and then we can go through and just start like michelle was saying to start cutting or funding, because I think we've only got 800 740 000 left, at least as the numbers that we have right now.

H

Can I answer the flower bed question just to cut that one out that one actually falls under the um I believe. That's the open space fund. So that's not part of the prioritization that you all are doing um and that's the funding that parks and recreation receives from arapahoe county and it is uh viable to use that as a capital improvement project for beautification of our parks.

B

How about a couple ones down are road and bridge and bridge repair difference.

G

And I think that was kind of the question like those are just kind of lump ones. That would be great that director deandre just gonna say what are we spending every year, I guess bridge repairs looks like tier one. Street reconstruction is tier two, so I don't know. Maybe that's where we draw the line put the tier one in and not the tier two, although I hate to not have street repairs and things, I guess, there's another.

G

I think there's kind of multiple of the same almost the same thing so there's street reconstruction, but then there's also, I thought another one. That was some sort of roadway improvements or something.

B

Yeah bridge repairs requested 300, 000 and.

G

Oh, that's what it is arterial and collector street pavement maintenance is a tier three, but they're asking for a million on that one I mean I feel, like those are a tier two and a tier three for street reconstruction and street um and arterial and collector street pavement maintenance. If they're not really identifying specific projects that we need. We had unlimited money great, but I don't know that it's something that you know we're going to be able to implement. If we're trying to make everything else go.

G

Oh and then there's also road and bridge on line 11.

B

Well, no, you know without more description or uh detail, it's hard to say yeah, let's, let's fund that, because we really don't know what that means is, and it may be simply a big fund and then the staff will prioritize it. We don't know.

A

Forgive me for interrupting again colin. Can you keep track of any numbers? You guys agree on I'm going to try to help director deandre to get on. So if you could keep track on the spreadsheet and I'll catch up with you, could you do that? For me, please.

G

I will yes, I will do my best here.

A

Okay, thank you.

B

Okay, thank you for jumping in.

G

Maybe we just start running down unless we want to go through. Should we go through the questions at all anymore? I think we kind of covered um what was going on. I guess the only thing that was odd was the tier zero project. I think someone said that was answered, but I don't know if I saw was that just a mistake on the tiering was that you from you, brian.

C

I I think that's right and I think nancy got that one resolved at the last meeting and it wasn't supposed to be a tier zero. She had updated the tier in the spreadsheet, okay.

B

And then brenda, I think you had your hand up. Is that right.

J

Oh yeah, I I just thought we could let um the actor underhill go, um but I just wanted to kind of clear up what we need for the library. I just know that they've had security issues and I want to her opinion on what we can do in this budget to help retain employees, so that was kind of my question about security versus this study about the doors.

J

Is that helpful at all with that, with considering closing one of the doors and doing that study.

H

One the thought we had and the previous library manager and I had a good conversation as we were seeing more and more security issues pop up. You know there's two entrance points. We have one security, um unarmed officer, that's in the facility and they're constantly on a swirl. You know trying to swivel trying to see what's coming into the facility, so the thought was closing off the current main entrances that you have on the north and the south side of the building.

H

You know the one on the south goes: the parking garage, the north goes out to the circle out front, as well as our td light rail area, and so we were talking about maybe making one entrance which would be located on the east side, which is um between the 24-hour fitness building and the civic center, and making that one entrance points you almost have to go through a checkpoint pass the security officer to enter into the library and then those two existing um points on the north and south side would become emergency exits only, and so that's what we kind of wanted to look at through that feasibility to study to see.

H

If that really did make sense, and then the feasibility study would also give us a cost for doing that, work if it made sense to move forward, and so ultimately, if, if you're looking to cut anything, it'd, probably be adding or changing the entrance exit points in 2023 and all we do is a feasibility study and then in 2024 the work would be implemented. If that's the direction it goes. So it's not a lot of money, but um it would be. Possibly one way to go is to postpone actually implementing the work till 2024.

B

I think currently we did not fund the feasibility study and.

B

I'm sorry I'm looking at my other computer. I should probably just look over here. You probably gotta, hear colin.

A

I'm back colin, thank you so much.

G

Yes, I don't think I actually did anything but you're welcome.

A

Okay, good! uh No, you have not put any money in the feasibility study yet.

B

Okay- and we didn't put okay, sounds good. Okay,.

A

And we have some people with jeremy, has a question or wants to make a comment and then colin.

I

Yeah I did um while we're on the topic of security. You know, I know security cameras on for it. That's like the tier two, that's kind of teetering on a tier one to tier two I mean I just got out of a meeting today um with the parks and rec department and we have a lot of security concerns.

I

um I know it's not a whole lot, but it can get us further to address some of those security concerns of what they can see, what they can't see in some of the crime that's happening at some of their facilities. So just something to consider. um I just wanted to make a comment on that and, if we're thinking about moving the door in the library, we also got to think about security cameras as well, because that area is not it's covered but not covered like they would want it to be covered.

C

G

Maybe jeremy, you could talk to the security, civic center and rec center versus security cameras, I.t um versus um those other ones. I guess where I'm also. I know it's a long way off um for the redevelopment of the civic center, but I'm concerned about throwing not throwing but putting money into that safety wise great, but like moving entrances and things like that. If that building is going to go away sometime I mean, I know, that's probably longer than I'd like it to be, but just you know we know it's coming at some point.

I

I don't know what the civic center security and rec center security is all about. I'm I haven't been a part of that, but I I have been a part of some concerns with staff on um areas that they don't have visibility like the mallee center. Their cameras are pro they're, they're running close up to 10 years old and they can't identify things um other other places like the rec center um phase, two of upgrading their cameras, the upstairs is not covered that they need to be covered. uh We've got some stuff at pirate's cove.

I

That needs to be done so um and that that money helps us upgrade some cameras and get some new places and and do that and with these cameras, can last quite a bit quite quite a while, but with technology as they upgrade, it gets better and better and better um with the redevelopment.

I

If it's under five years, we could possibly move some cameras um from one building to another building, so there's just depending on the age of those cameras. So there's a lot of possibilities of what we can do with security cameras and the 20k on the civic center stuff. I I don't know what that is.

A

I could jump in again. um I believe director deandre is on the call maria. Can you hear me good to have you.

F

Thank you. Sorry. My internet is not working so so.

A

Chair, that's okay, chair. How would you like to proceed? We have two hands raised or do you wanna go back to the questions.

B

uh Let's do the I'm, assuming that the two hands raised are pertinent to what was just said. So let's do that. First.

C

D

So I just have: uh this is more of a logistics question, we're talking about um security and safety, and it seems, like that's all, very disjointed where, in my opinion, security cameras should not be a. I t issue, it shouldn't be a rec center issue. I would think somewhere along the line. We have a public safety pool of funds, and I understand that that's not part of what we're doing here today, but I would certainly hearing all of these concerns and issues with safety and public safety.

D

I would think that maybe we, the city itself, would want to look at putting security camera stuff in a specific pool related to public safety, as opposed to all of these intermittent kind of the rec center has to worry about it. I.T has some concerns or some responsibility.

D

um I guess it's just a comment that came to mind. While we were talking about this, that an overall public safety plan would feel safe would feel better to me, so we could make a better decision.

B

Can you mute yourself please unless it's carl, who is about to say.

K

That's that's me. Oh.

B

Okay, never mind sorry about that.

K

uh The the security cameras- I I'm in favor of doing that, but if you have a camera that has no image, it really doesn't do any good whatsoever and um we've got.

K

I think, that's what worth uh going for and the feasibility study that's not actually putting the door in, but it's.

K

Years and years before, the city center is gone if it does go- and I think the security of the uh the library is is an issue- it's been an issue for a long time and if, if they can put a single door in there and use the existing doors for emergency x's, I think that would be a good idea.

K

I would be part of the feasibility study also.

B

Is that all of the folks.

K

What what is the so we have uh 700 000 to go? Is that correct.

A

C

B

And so do we want to go? Let's go back to the director um if she's got more answers to our questions and then, let's start start going, the line down the line and figuring out the budget.

G

B

G

Think maybe just a prime director deandre there was a question between um there's a rodent bridge uh funds, a bridge repair, a street reconstruction, and I guess those are the three tier ones um and one tier two. Is there a difference between all of those is there? um Was there money says that last year did we use all that last year? Are there variations, for? That seems a little bit like a kind of a overall pot and how is that used.

F

Sure yep, thank you. Yes, those are three separate funds and and um sort of ongoing. If you will so, we used to and have had for a very long time, the rodent bridge account and that was kind of a.

F

Used for road and bridge, and also for street staff to utilize for materials such as for pothole patching that sort of thing so since over the I think we started it in the 2022 budget that now I believe the amount is 300 000, and so that is just for the road materials used by the street staff and we've taken the annual amounts and put them in pavement maintenance, which I believe is another line item and that's what we're using solely for our payment management program.

F

The bridge repair, then, is an annual appropriation as well to do bridge repairs. um So that's now a standalone as well solely for bridges and then the final one um that you mentioned forget no.

F

G

Believe it was.

F

Street reconstruction.

C

F

Street reconstruction, yes, so the pavement maintenance is intended to do just that, just maintenance, so street reconstruction is where we would actually go down, remove all of the pavement and do more substantial repairs. So that's beyond the pavement management program, so at some point our roads will wear out where we've got to start doing actual reconstruction.

F

This also might be precipitated if there's a lot of utility work to do, for example, water and sanitary sewer, main replacement, and then that would dictate a full reconstruction which is not currently funded in that pavement management account.

C

G

And so I guess I would assume, though, if we were doing a full reconstruction that would almost be its own identified project, uh something like old hand and complete streets or something along those lines. Or would you be able to or would you typically do, projects out of that full street reconstruction.

F

No you're right. I think we need to start identifying that so we did last year we did a um full analysis of all of the street segments, the condition a quantitative number from 0 to 100, so we're probably looking at any of those streets below 25 to 30 would probably be eligible for that street reconstruction. So I think we need to put a map together. That shows that, and probably put some closer or more accurate dollar amounts to that and what we would do each year.

C

Okay, thank you.

F

Sir, but we're not there yet.

B

Here austin. um Thank you. That's that's helpful, but I'm trying to understand. um Why is pavement maintenance in being considered for the capital accounts? It seems to me that that would be more on the expense line rather than in capital.

F

um Yeah somebody from finance would need to answer that better. I think, because of the maybe because of the dollar amount that it's so it's so significant that we're you know investing in our, um whether it's buildings or roads or whatever, that it's a significant enough dollar that it's got to be from the capital fund.

F

I think that's, I think, that's.

B

The case: well, let me assume that we're going to have this question as we go through these by line by line. Currently we have pavement maintenance by area asked for 3 million right at this point, we're at half of that 1.5 million, and then reconstruction asked for I'm sorry, this other 500 000 and we gave you zero.

B

So can you speak to which one we should prioritize and what sort of weight you might give to each one of those categories.

F

Yeah, I think, the the rope, the most robust program that we have in place right now is the is the pavement maintenance. So I would, I would uh recommend that that's the highest and the main priority we we're on that five-year cycle, which I think I've shared in the past. If not, I can certainly come back and do that, but we're on a five-year cycle around the entire city to do payment maintenance, and so we've been doing that now since 2019., so we're almost through that first uh five-year cycle.

F

But, as I just mentioned uh in to remember hagerty, I think we still need a ways to go and more fully building out that street reconstruction, so I'd say, that's, probably a lower priority at this time and then the bridge maintenance. We do get a um report from cdot, so they go through and inspect the all of the bridges every other year.

F

So they do help us to prioritize what the bridge maintenance is, and there are some relatively you know I would say less expensive things that we'd like to tackle every year to try and stay up with those. So I would say, that's probably the second priority.

B

Okay, thank you. That's very helpful, colin.

G

That is very helpful and I guess one of the items that came up was like I said, the old hampden and there is a grant funding. Is there any update on that? Do we feel, like that's? You know, 1.2 million, where you know we're not sure if that's our matching part or if that was what we're hoping to get out of the funding.

F

Sure yeah, so um the intent is that we're currently developing plans to replace the water main the sanitary sewer and the storm sewer in that section of old, hampton and that's funded by the three uh utilities, as well as some of the arpa funds that we've, the city has appropriated towards that project.

F

The what we'll be applying for here towards the end of june and we're working on the applications right now is to go for basically what we say: the top side, improvements or anything from the pavement up and we're looking at doing a complete streets where we'd have more bike and ped facilities, remove the on-street parking, most likely add pedestrian lighting and benches and landscaping, and so that's the grant that we would be applying for through dr cogg. So that's due at I believe, june 24th right and so that 1.2 would be our match for that.

F

So it's uh since we haven't submitted the application. We still don't know how many other applications are out there. We would be competing against arapahoe county projects from other entities within arapahoe county and right now. We don't have a firm estimate, but we're probably in the range of anywhere from 10 to 12 million for that project, so we're anticipating that's about a 10 match for those.

G

And would that have to be matched all this year or could that be split up over time?.

F

I think it could be split up. I think they would want us to commit to that. You know. So. If we will, we will find out later this probably in the fall. If we get that, and so then they'd be looking for us to enter into an iga and at least commit the dollars, but I think you know we wouldn't actually expend them all in um that would be then would be in 2023, so it probably would spill over into 2024.

B

Okay, commissioners, there's a couple of ways to look at this. um We obviously need to go through line by line.

B

um Do we want to just go through and see, and just to say, yay or nay we're comfortable with our original recommended number and go up or down, or are there things that we didn't do that? We want to put some money towards I'm open to how you want to handle this.

G

I think that sounds good michelle we start running through.

B

Okay, all right so um way: finding inflation.

C

B

Okay, so um just because it's everybody's muting and unmuting, um let me just I'll just go through the those top five recommendations and then you can raise your hand. If you have a question or issue you want to have one of them. One of them go up or down so 70 000 for what way finding place, making alley maintenance, 150, pavement maintenance by area 1.5, mil dartmouth reconstruct west of santa fe for 750 000..

B

Do anyone? Does anybody want to make adjustments to any of those knowing that we have about thousand to spend.

A

J

Yeah I, when I think about wayfinding in place making I mean I love the idea, but there's signage is just so low on the priority. I I would even be willing to just knock some off that, maybe third, we could just give them. 30 000.

C

D

I apologize because I wasn't a part of the original discussion on this, but previously last year a lot of our discussion about wayfinding and place making again was about um citizen safety so that it was clear where bike paths go start and stop, and so it wasn't, it wasn't just about marketing or you know, hey. This is englewood, it was about making sure people knew.

D

uh We talked a lot about the signage and wayfinding on our bike paths and um people understanding. You know from a safety standpoint how to get from one place to another where to where to cross the street. So at one point our discussion about that at least last year was around um people's safety as they're walking through the city, not about specifically a marketing kind of thing.

D

So I don't know what you how you guys all came up with 70, but I I don't know that, depending on what it's going to be used for, if it's a citizen safety thing, I think we should keep it where it is, but that's just an opinion because I don't know how you got to seven hours. I apologize. I wasn't here.

J

No no see what I saw was a presentation by the downtown authority, where they polled citizens for wayfinding and placemaking to put signage like welcome to englewood um on the new federal bridge over oxford and at the entrance along hampton, and they had several different kind of fonts and styles.

J

So that's what I thought this was for for yeah.

D

Their own stuff, the dda, is supposed to be funding their own things.

J

Well, if not that's true! Well, that's, okay, but I wasn't aware anybody was getting lost on our bike trails.

J

um I'm sorry I would. I would say that, there's that the infrastructure is very, very important and that if we should just keep going down and if we find something that we think is more important. Oh thank you for finding it. Yeah um infrastructure, signage.

J

So that doesn't look like a bike trail.

B

Thank you nancy, but.

D

Just I was just commenting on the discussion we had last year, so yeah.

H

I think it's it's not about a specific.

D

B

Okay, fair enough, so let's just sort of say you know the 70 000. It's maybe can we get a consensus? That's at least at this point seems reasonable, but we can maybe add to it later. If we feel strongly or not,.

C

J

C

Lower it, let's keep going.

A

C

Sorry carl has a question. Oh I'm sorry thank you.

K

Not really a question, I I think the 70 000 is fine for me, I'm uncomfortable with it so anything more than that I'd question, but uh I'm fine.

B

Okay, great, thank you. Okay, so I think we're down to broadway corridor study. They asked for 50 we put in for 50.

B

Then we did not give anything to transport transportation system upgrade asked 75, concrete utility city share, 350 asked we gave nothing walking, wheel, implementation, 250 and we so far have said yes to 250..

B

If you don't mind, I'm going to go ahead and down until I have another space, um so I can keep track of things signal equipment upgrade replacement. They asked 150 we put in 150 um concrete program at accessible ramps. They asked for 350 we put in 350.

A

B

A

Called those points, colin has his hand up.

G

Yeah, just as a note, we did put 325 to the concrete utility city share. I think that might have been another one that if we could get a little more information from director deandre on on what that is, is that a similar repair, maintenance effort.

B

Is she still online with us?

B

F

Yeah, for I'm sorry, for which project.

G

The concrete utility city share.

F

Yeah, so that's our annual um sidewalk maintenance program so on the corners for ped ramps and then along the side streets like a corner lot. um The city contributes to that so that the the corner lots are not overly burdened with that um concrete utility charges.

C

G

Another in addition to the ramps, yeah sorry go ahead. Sure.

B

No, I was just gonna say so: that's different from the concrete utility that we pay on our bills on a monthly basis basis right.

F

Yeah so homeowners pay into that, and so we use that to do the let's say the frontage of people's sidewalks. But when there's a corner lot and or for pedram. So we have over the last several years and had a separate line account for pedrams as well. But we have done some of the corners.

F

We don't basically charge that against the concrete utility or that homeowner who are on the corners nor for the side, streets.

B

I I interrupt you sorry, colin.

A

So colin, for my clarification, you're talking about the concrete utility city share for 325 000 and then going down for concrete program, accessible ramps to 350.

G

Yeah I was asked if those were separate, but it does sound like they are. I was just saying last year we put in 325 for the utility city share, just as a note, and it does sound like that's something that that is utilized. I I I guess, is there any note on how? Well we utilize all these funds? Do we have leftover out of any of them? Do they just get used in other places? If that's the case.

F

No, um so that is delegated directly to that program. So if we don't use them, they basically go back into the pot for distribution next year in the general fund. The way that we're doing this process, but we have been trying to be more aggressive with our pedestrian ramp program, and so we have been utilizing those full funds over the last several years.

B

Okay, so it looks to me like, if I can sort of summarize um we've added now 325 for the concrete utility city share on cons, suggestion, which means we've spent close to half of what our max is. Is that correct.

G

Yeah, I do feel like one of the things. If we have the ability to push old hampden, maybe we can put a million instead of 1.2 in there if we can push some of that funding to the next year or even maybe 900 and 300 kind of a situation. So that might let us um get into some of these other ones, but I think we can run through those as we get further down.

B

Okay, so is there an objection to us putting in that 325 or the concrete utility city share for now, knowing that we might come back to it and modify it.

C

B

Okay, all right, so I think I am at santa fe bike pedestrian improvements for two feet. Oh I'm sorry you're right! Thank you! Thank you! Nancy.

B

um The union bridge rehabilitation for 400 000. We so far, I've given them nothing. Santa fe bike, pet improvements, 250., we so far have said yes to 250. We did not give anything to erc upgrades. Asked. 200 gave nothing parks and rec parking lot maintenance. Thank you! So much nancy you're, so helpful, 60 000. We gave them nothing bridge repairs. They asked 300. We gave them nothing street reconstruction.

B

They asked for 500. We gave them nothing, that's a lot to, even though there's we said basically nothing to most of those. um Any changes to those recommendations.

B

F

Me, chair austin, if I could, if I could interrupt, I'm sorry, of course,.

C

Go ahead, of course, go ahead.

F

I I apologize the the 250 for the santa fe um uh pet improvements, so that.

C

F

Going to be the city of englewood's match, along with the cities of littleton, sheridan and then arapahoe county, to do some about five or six projects along the corridor. We did not get funding for that. We had already applied for regional funding, so I think for now I would put that as on the back burner, unless future funding opportunities come up.

B

Add 250 000, perfect. Okay, so is there objection to zeroing that out.

B

Seeing none, I think, there's hands raised nancy.

C

A

D

I just had a question on the union avenue bridge rehabilitation. um So previously we talked about um cdoc coming through and saying what bridges needed to be repaired.

D

It um is that was that a recommendation of c dot, and is that, uh would that no longer, if it doesn't happen, would we have an issue with people being able to get across there? That's pretty heavily used.

F

Yeah that, yes, uh it was a came out of those um inspection reports done through cdot and.

E

F

400 000 is just for the design and then what we the next year. I believe it shows that we'd have more money to actually do the more significant upgrades or repairs.

D

Okay, I think that has to happen. I don't know how we don't give that money.

G

I would I would support that also you have 1.8 identified and I feel, like that's, probably going to be a little low for 24, but I think I would agree with judy. I think we need to fund that one same with director underhill was said that they had the needed, the 200k for the facility update, erc upgrades. I'm sorry.

G

I think we should support that, because they're ready to go and they're just need that last funding to get that taken care of, um and then the parks and rec lot. She said that can be zeroed because that came in at 90 or 100 000. So we can zero that one out, because they're not doing it next year.

G

And then I guess yeah I'd say I don't know if it really matters um director deandre, you know, would it be good to split or put a hundred thousand in road and bridge in the in line 11 and then 100 000 in bridge repairs? Would it be better to have all in one? I think you said bridge repairs maybe would be second, would you rather have 300 in there and if that's the case, I think I'd say: maybe we just fund one of them and put 300 in in one of them and go from there.

F

Yeah yeah, if, if it's that choice, you know, I I think our next focus. If we have to cut something and probably be bridge repairs, because we need to focus on the union avenue bridge.

F

So instead of maybe allocating to both bridge repair and union avenue, maybe putting some towards union avenue for that redesign and then the rest would we need at least about 150 in rhoden bridge, for the materials cost.

B

Okay, thank you nancy for keeping this all straight and thank you for putting these numbers in so now, with the changes that cohen suggested. Are they all in there? Can we look at a total down here.

A

You're over by 125 000 and that's not counting for the art in public spaces,.

G

Did you reduce the old hampden or is that slow at 1.2.

A

What did you want to reduce it to I'm sorry,.

G

I was thinking it sounded like we could do this over two years, so maybe we could put 900 in in this time and and then have a little more slush fun to play with.

B

That's not a word. We want to talk about.

A

Colin, you had your hand up and then carl.

G

I'm done talking. Thank you.

A

K

uh For additional funds, the uh the union bridge uh a lot of the traffic on that the the damaging traffic is uh from the trash truck from waste management. Have we tried to get anything from waste management on the union avenue bridge.

F

So they do, um they provide a what's called a waste transfer surcharge, so it's 50 cents per every cubic yard of materials that are deposited at the oxford transfer station come back to the city um and so the those monies just go into the general fund. So they do other cities who have this. The intent is that that would go, I believe, towards road repairs, although when I read the ordinance or excuse me the municipal code, it doesn't say what the purpose is.

F

So we get about roughly seven to eight hundred thousand dollars per year through the oxford transfer station, but it just goes into the general side.

K

Okay, thank you.

G

That was a good point. Carl, maybe it'd be good to direct that to the bridge and other kind of fund replacement for repairs.

B

So what do we have well? First of all, let me ask are the changes that we've made so far agreeable to the commissioners.

B

If, if you disagree, raise your hand, please, let's do it that way, I mean your computer hand, okay, um okay, so nancy are what is the total, and what do we have left to look at maximum funding available is 8 million, so we are at 175 left to go correct.

G

I I did see one in there that I think is gonna, be we're. Gonna have to start playing around with the facilities and operations um I lying to the 53.

G

um I have a feeling, that's one, that we probably can't um skip or anything. I I hadn't noticed that before is that maybe we could get a little more clarification on on what that is.

B

Well, and why is it a proposed capital expense too,.

B

Can you yeah.

F

So similar um we've created a five-year maintenance plan for all of our buildings, so this would be something like things like.

F

um Oh what's in there, you know replacing windows at different buildings, um upgrading the hvac system, major kind of repair issues, not just you know, fixing, let's say doorknobs or something like that, but more of those major uh efforts, and so again I think that's why it's coming out of the capital, um but also then it so that dollar amount, you know varies a little bit, but we do have laid out a five-year plan and the investment in the civic center is pretty minimal at this point um pending, you know what happens with uh any potential redevelopment, but.

B

Some of those things you mentioned, uh you know replacing hvac systems and things like that. Those are depreciable assets, assets, so they're, not really capital.

F

Yeah again, that might be a question. A follow-up question with finance is how they do that they've always put that in the capital projects fund, as opposed to their operating budget.

G

I guess is that something you feel I mean it looks like you've got about 1.3 million in the next couple years identified for that five year plan and then a million million after that. So obviously there's five million dollars worth of things in there. I don't know that we can cut that out completely, but maybe do we put, you know 400 or something in there and then we're over by 200 someplace else that we need to pull it out of, and maybe is that is the service center. I feel like we.

G

We talked about that one last time that we have to fund that whole thing right now or maybe not have to isn't the right term, but is there maybe some money we could pull off of that.

B

Well, right now we have 175 to spend and you just put in 400, so we've got to go and cut something.

A

C

A

You left off at street reconstruction.

C

A

So I'm sorry, director, deandre.

F

Oh, I'm sorry um the uh yes, if I I you know if we wanted to scale back on the facilities maintenance line item those those other pride whatever we you know, if we ended up with a certain dollar amount, we just have to work within that and then some of those efforts would just have to push out into future years.

B

Okay, you scroll up just a tad there. Let's see so we okay we left off at. Where did we leave off at the broadway? No street reconstruction? Okay? Okay, so we'll just leave things how they are. Knowing that we're going to have to go back, perhaps and cut so uh park, erc upgrades 200 000, we asked for we gave them that uh parks and rec parking lot maintenance. They asked 60. We gave them nothing, not proceeding with the work. So that's okay bridge repairs. They asked 300.

B

We gave them nothing street reconstruction, they asked for 500. We gave them nothing. Public art, acquisit acquisition, um 250 asked for we gave them 50 and old hampton they asked for 1.2. We gave him 900.

B

Comments on any of those.

B

Okay, so um sidewalk gap, construction, oop. Here we go, they asked for 300. We gave them 300 street lights and furniture repair replacement. They asked for 30. We gave them nothing implementation of something street calming they asked for 60. We gave them nothing.

B

Arterial collector street pavement maintenance. They asked for a million. We give nothing. Let's just stop there before we get back into numbers.

G

Looking at sidewalk gap as much as I think, that's one of the most important things that we can do. Maybe we can cut that by 75k make that 225, and maybe we can find some more money later on and again for the artery on collector street mints. I think because we have the other pots that we're putting money into that's why I feel comfortable, not funding it there. Just based on the conversations with dr deandre.

B

Any objection to the recent changes to the spreadsheet.

B

Okay, keep moving forward here, so I think we're on network development asked for 250. We gave them 250 pc replacements, 90 asked for 90. We gave um fiber network a million uh asked for we gave him 500. I think we did a good discussion on that, but we'll we'll see, if you know when he wants to move things up or down, based on that discussion, facilities and operations 664, we gave them 400 ada compliance. They asked for 100. We gave them 50 and service center facility construction 1.25.

B

We gave them 1.25 comments on those items, raise your hand.

C

G

Well, well, just because I can't stop uh the service center, we've got 15 million dollars identified next year, um dr deandre or others is the 1.25. Also a design cost is that what's going on with that, I feel like we talked about that one last week. Maybe a quick reminder.

F

Yes, it is the design costs, anticipating construction, starting late, 2023 or early 2024.

G

Is there is, are we under contract on that already or is that something that's coming out.

F

We are not under contract, uh we're still in the space planning phase. Basically, so that dollar amount is, is just a very rough estimate. At this point,.

G

I mean maybe we can put 1.1 there for right now and and hope to have some more money. Now I don't see us having 15 million dollars next year um to totally fund the whole thing anyway. So maybe that's kind of where we get started at least start putting money away for it, because it does sound like it's something. That's going to be needed to co-locate everybody.

C

C

B

Unmute please.

K

The ada compliant project said I kind of feel that, uh depending on what that actually is, I I'd like to uh do the whole 100 000 on that, but I'm uh that that's we're on the ada concrete work, though we're years and years behind on that, and we don't want to get too far behind on the ada compliance.

K

It's it's not uh it's not something you want to uh uh avoid or delay.

B

But um we are right now right at 8 million. So if we add that extra 50 is there a spot that you would think that we can cut by 50 to balance out.

A

I think director deandre was trying to say something as well.

B

Yeah, I think she had so much background noise that she couldn't talk, I'm not sure but yeah. Let's listen to her.

F

I just wanted to say that the ada compliance projects are not intended for the ped ramps. This would be things we're completing this year, an ada audit, so this might be things like handrails different things, push bars on doors, things like that where there we have non-compliance to allow for ada access or the guidelines have changed, and so we need to do more, like facility upgrades, as opposed to out at the ped ramps.

B

That's very helpful. Thank you.

A

G

um I think the network development was one we fully funded kind of the risk of falling behind. On that um it looks like there is. It looks like continuous funding 250 this year, 150 next year. Is that something um maybe that um we could discuss on whether maybe 200 jeremy would be helpful this year, and do we push a little bit of that off in order to have a little bit more money to play with? I guess your thoughts would be great.

I

Yeah, I mean in our in our server room right now. This is for our our our server upgrades that we're going to be performing next year because in january of um 2023 they're at end of life, so they don't support them anymore. um I believe we possibly could get away. If you want to cut at 50., I believe we could cut. We can get away with getting around some things on that. If you wanted to do that.

G

I guess maybe carl, how do you feel is that do you really want to push the other ada stuff, or should we get the network not fully funded, because there's always more money that can be put in, but.

K

The ada, if it's uh hand, rails and whatnot, we could maybe push that off for a little while.

I

Okay, I mean I'm going compliance right now on our websites and a lot of the big concerns is the legal ramifications. People sue happy so.

G

And nancy, I think that was uh line. 50 should be 250, not 25..

C

That's probably correct. Thank you.

I

Yeah, that's not going to buy me all the time.

G

Yeah, I think jeremy's gonna be okay with that, though,.

I

But I mean I I would if we talk about ada compliance, you know something to think about. You know people do come around if something's wrong. You know, there's a there's a risk. There.

K

I think we ought to have the ada at least 50 000.

K

Because they they could cost uh a lawsuit of a couple million. Maybe.

E

There's also, if I'm in a wheelchair, I want to go to one of the bathrooms and camp, because I'm missing a handrail or or something like that, does no, I mean we're we're talking 50 000, I feel like there's a big payoff. There.

G

And maybe network development maybe goes to 220.. I would like to see this security civic center and rec center, the 20 000 put in there. So maybe, if we're at 220 in network development, then we can put another 20 000 in to line 61.

B

Colin, I think you might be a mind reader, because I was thinking the exact same thing about the security at the civic center and rec center, but so far tonight, at least in my recollection, we've been taking a lot of money from the I.t budget for jeremy and that, if we have, you know, 10 or 20 000 left to allocate I'd like to ask him uh what his preference might be. If that's acceptable to the commission.

G

I guess the only thing I just remembered: we do have the art um that we'll have to uh correct put in also, but besides, that is that one percent of 131, so is that one percent of just the ones in line d or column d.

A

It is one percent of those uh that you choose to fund.

A

Yes out of column d,.

G

So can you maybe just select all those and just see where we would be at real quick? So we know how much money jeremy has to play with if he does. Okay.

B

If, if we tell him, he can right.

G

I think if you just highlight um this cells, it should total up, on the lower right hand, corner um starting at line.

A

Yeah sorry that line 50 is set here.

G

So two so 20, that's already 24k right is or is it.

A

No because we've got 1.1 million in here.

G

I mean 2.47, one percent of 2.47 million would be oh.

C

G

Yeah 24 700, so we're over.

E

If we designate one of these items as where the art money will come out of for that way, we don't have to worry about calculating it each time as we go through.

E

um If that makes sense,.

G

You want to put some cool secular references into it,.

E

I was going to recommend it, but I like to keep excel out of my private life.

A

You and me both know.

G

I I do think that we're basically 15k ish over though right now with uh art and public faces.

B

So, do we go back to the security cameras at the civic center and rec center, which I think was our latest edition, or is there something else to look at.

A

I'm sorry carl.

K

The public art is that uh is that moa art, or is that the city owned or.

C

I think last week they said it's city owned heart.

K

Okay, all right thanks.

A

G

I think I I would lean towards um maybe 210 for um jeremy, on the network developments um and then.

B

No two: another zero yep, sorry.

G

Thank you and then, if we need to take, I think per knowles um suggestion. If we need more money, take it out of the service center survey center, uh if there's another 5 000. So maybe that's one zero! Nine five.

G

And then I think that would probably that's the the 25k we need, but that might have gone down again because of the one percent of it is a lower number. Now.

B

You know we need to put that number in to get the total.

E

What budget is the art in public places from because to college point? Are we really just creating a circular formula.

D

E

Every time we calculate it, it goes up.

B

Well, nancy's working hard, I mean we've got things over in column g now too, so.

G

I've got that's just a side summary to figure out what that number right is, and I guess would that be 24 yeah, so that would basically be rightward. Four thousand we'd be at 79.99 sold.

E

But if that's part of the budget, then adding it also increases the amount of the total, which then increases the one percent.

B

Right 350 dollars, I'm looking at right.

G

And I think these numbers just depend correct me if I'm wrong um nancy, this goes to council and then they have the ultimate decision on whether they like any of these numbers and can change not freely. They will take our recommendation and then present a final budget and vote on a final budget.

A

That's my understanding, but one of the directors can probably answer that better than I can.

B

That's my understanding too nancy.

B

B

Let's, since I don't hear any directors speaking up right now um are, is everybody comfortable with this? Are we okay to try and move forward with a vote for this recommendation to city council.

B

Raise your hand if you have comments or issues please.

A

No, oh, wait. I'm sorry, carl first and then noel.

K

Noah might beat me, but can we round it off to 8 million? That's kind of that odd number is they're going to say what is that? Why are you doing that.

B

uh We obviously can't it doesn't matter where we put that itty-bitty bit of money so um but.

B

The reality is that city council is going to change this, so I'm not sure it's a big.

C

Deal but it is sort of weird I agree.

A

E

um Were there any details on the street calming line? I wasn't sure if we had talked about that one.

E

Oh, it's a tier two, okay, never mind.

B

Other comments or questions or.

B

Are we ready to vote.

G

I've got one quick thing that I don't know. I totally want to find. If you look on your agendas on page start on page 145, it does show what's been expended and what was budgeted last year if there's any last minute reviews of of things. um That was one of the questions that we had, so they provided that information. I just didn't realize it until I was re-looking back through some things, so I'm I'm good moving forward. I just want everyone to see that information if they wanted to.

B

Thank you, carl. Do you still have questions comments.

K

uh We have a lot of tier two in there is that, uh are you gonna raise a flag, or is that okay.

B

That is a staff question.

F

I would say: that's fine, you know I I think this is you've had a good discussion, and um this is the recommendations that you're putting forward, and it is ultimately the council's decision as to whether they you know modify these or not, but I think you've you've done your due diligence in terms of discussing this and what you think the priorities are at this time.

C

B

Okay, um without seeing any um opposition, uh do I have a motion to approve forwarding this um capital capital spending plan to city council for their approval.

G

I will move to submit this uh cip plan uh to council.

C

Thank you. Second again, I.

B

Will second it thank you. Discussion raise your hand. Please.

B

Am I seeing none nancy you are. Are you ready to vote? Okay? Yes, please call for the vote. Please.

C

D

C

D

C

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C

Noel, yes,.

A

Cara, yes, brenda yes and chair austin, yes, motion.

B

Passes fantastic, that's fantastic! This is one of our major responsibilities, so it's always nice to have such a good discussion and uh everybody coming together and putting forward the best work we can. um The next item on the agenda is staff's choice.

C

This is brian, and I I had nothing today.

B

um Brad john.

C

Good evening everybody it's brad, uh I don't have anything other than to express my appreciation to my colleagues, jeremy, christina and maria for their time this evening. Thank you all.

B

Agree with that 100 john anything.

C

Nothing for me tonight: okay,.

B

uh Jeremy or christina or brian.

H

Nothing for me, but thank you very much for thinking through each of these projects and having a great discussion. I appreciate it. You're welcome.

I

I think for me, thank you for having me and having this great discussion appreciate your all your work on this.

C

You're welcome.

B

uh Brian anything further.

C

No, I do want to echo what brad said. Thank you to the directors that came in and spoke to everybody, um and thank you guys for all your hard work on.

B

And this don't even know what the scores of the avs game nancy do you have anything.

A

I do not, but thank you for asking okay attorney's choice.

A

Vicky was unable to attend this evening. Okay,.

B

Commissioner's choice, carl.

K

C

Wanted to thank the directors for taking their time out to make.

K

Our job easier, but that helps a great deal to have more information when you don't know, what's going on.

C

You think we can all agree.

B

I'm sorry carl, I interrupted you did you have anything further to say.

K

I I I do not know what the abs score is either, so I will in a few minutes that's.

B

Okay, don't don't tell me, I'm taping it I'll I'll find out in a little bit too uh brenda.

J

I'm good just thank you all to the directors also for attending thanks judy.

B

Thanks, thank you.

C

Kate, um nothing new to add thanks. Everyone.

B

You're welcome colin.

G

Echo everyone and also nancy, thank you for having that spreadsheet, because that makes it a heck of a lot easier to go through so appreciate that.

E

No uh nothing further this evening.

B

Well, I'd just like to echo um thank you all for uh the directors and for all of you attending and nancy. Thank you so much for really helping us through maneuvering through that spreadsheet. I know that it's you're trying to do two things at once: listen and also manipulate a spreadsheet, so that's sometimes uh a little bit difficult, at least for me, but you did a great job and thank you all so much okay. I think that we should adjourn this meeting. Thank you so much for all your good work.

A

Thank you. Everyone.