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A
A
D
E
So
I
had
three
items
on
my
list:
a
five,
seven
and
nine.
C
E
Yes,
A5
and
A7
is
that
you
know
Christopher
Burke's
engineering
company
was
a
company
that
did
not
only
the
engineering
and
the
design,
but
also
construction
management
is
understand
it
for
Fountain
Square
across
the
city,
a
million
roughly
a
million
dollars,
almost
a
million
dollars
for
their
services,
and
the
project
was
a
failure.
E
So
I'm
curious
why
the
city
is
now
going
forward
and
recommending
spending
again
a
couple
of
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
with
the
same
firm
there's
got
to
be
other
firms
that
are
doing
the
same
thing
and
it
just
seems
to
be
some:
the
need
for
some
kind
of
reconciliation,
I
would
say
with
Christopher
Burke
before
they
continue
to
get
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
of
evidence
and
tax
dollars
item
A9
is
the
vending
machine
contract.
E
Now,
literally
just
before
this
meeting,
I
was
showing
a
memo
from
last
year.
That
said
that
the
vending
contract
was
this
year
expires
two
year,
two
of
the
three
optional
renewals,
so
I
guess.
E
The
way
it's
being
described
to
me
is
that
the
there's
an
optional
renewal
for
this
vending
contract
but
I
went
back
and
listened
or
tried
to
listen
to
the
whole
city
council
meeting
from
last
year,
June
27th,
APW
and
director
Thompson
at
that
time
said
that
we
took
the
last
extension
last
year,
so
I
haven't
been
able
to
don't
have
time
to
reconcile
whether
it
was
the
last
extension
or
now
we're
going
to
do
a
third
extension,
but
it
seems
like
that
should
be
rebid.
A
A
F
C
D
A
A
F
You
so
I
just
had
and
mistakes,
maybe
you
can
respond.
It's
with
regard
to
the
Burke
contract.
That's
here
and
also
I'd
like
to
kind
of
address
items,
a
four
five
and
seven
I'm
not
objecting,
but
is
there
I,
don't
know
what
the
urgency
is
I
just
I
feel
like
it
would
be
nice
to
get
sort
of
a
Reconciliation
or
explanation.
F
I
think
it
was
almost
about
a
million
dollars
when
we
hired
Burke
to
oversee
construction
of
the
Fountain
Square
event
to
get
an
understanding
from
Burke
like
what
transpired
and
why
you
know
the
oversight,
wasn't
either
wasn't
effective
or
or
didn't
apply,
I
just
think
for
residents.
It's
important
to
know.
If
we're
going
to
award
multiple
contracts
to
Burke
again
again,
not
necessarily
objecting
just.
F
Would
there
be
time
to
get
to
ask
them
for
either
to
present
to
us
either
an
executive
session
or
to
provide
just
a
written
explanation
with
regard
to
Fountain
Square,
either
prior
to
final
action,
or
something
like
that.
G
Hello
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Laura
Biggs
I'm,
the
city
engineer,
so
in
terms
of
urgency,
several
of
those
items
are
actually
urgent
to
us.
Although
it
may
not
seem
like
that
big
of
a
deal
we're
kind
of
already
delayed
things
like
the
traffic
signal
intersection
at
Central,
Park
and
Central,
we
actually
don't
really
have
a
way
to
repair
it
if
certain
parts
fail
at
this
point
in
time,
we're
going
to
struggle
to
get
that
under
construction
next
year,
because
it
took
us
longer
than
we
anticipated
to
get
these
services
in
place.
G
The
pre-qualified
services.
So
yes,
I
mean
no.
It
isn't
in
that
it
seems
like
a
long
way
till
next
year.
But,
yes,
it
is
urgent
in
that
we
are
already
late
and
we
would
ideally
be
bidding
that
in
the
fall
in
order
to
have
the
lead
time
to
procure
the
equipment
in
terms
of
the
the
wisdom
of
hiring
Christopher
Burke
I'm,
actually
going
to
defer
that
to
City
WC
manager,
stoneback.
H
Thank
you
kidding
councilmember
Reed
and
committee
Dave
stormack
Deputy
city
manager,
when
this
occurred,
when
the
challenges
at
Fountain
squared
occurred,
staff
did
do
a
thorough
review
of
of
what
transpired
out
there,
and
what
we
found
was
that
the
contractor
used
the
product
which
they
never
submitted
for
review
or
approval
and
then
and
put
it
into
the
fountain
without
approval.
H
From
the
engineer,
the
Consulting
engineer
doing
the
work
so
based
on
that
Burke
would
not
have
had
the
opportunity
to
say
this
was
the
wrong
product
or
deny
them
the
use
of
it,
so
it
got
installed
and
and
then
the
damage
occurred
later.
So
we
found
at
that
time
that
Christopher
Burke
did
not
do
anything
improperly,
that
it
was
the
contractor
to
do
it
and
that's
why
we're
suing
the
contractor
or
taking
litigation
against
the
contractor.
Burke
has
been
very
responsive
with
the
city.
H
F
Thank
you,
I
mean
I
understand.
We
do
have
a
tolling
agreement
with
Burke.
So
therefore
they're
Cooperative
in
lieu
of
potentially
facing
liability,
so
is
there
I
mean
and
again
I'm,
not
saying
I'm
against
necessarily
I.
Just
can
we
get
concurrently
with
this
get
an
explanation
from
Burke,
just
I
just
think
in
terms
of
accountability,
since
it
would
be
nice
to
hear
from
them
directly
where
you
know
where
it
failed,
I
mean
we
did
sign
a
tolling
agreement
with
Burke
to
say
basically
that
we
won't
go
after
them.
F
If
they
cooperate,
so
I
think
it
would
be
I
I
would
like
and
I
think
you
know,
given
the
quantity
of
money
that
we
spend
and
that
we're
proposing
spending
you
know,
I,
don't
necessarily
need
to
hold
this,
but
could
we
could
we
request?
Would
you
be
willing
to
request
that?
Could
staff
ask
Burke
to
provide
counsel
with.
F
Yeah
I
would
I
would
like
that,
whether
it's
in
you
know
session
I,
don't
know
if
it
has
to
be
executive
session
or
not
at
our
next
one
or
written
explanation
from
Burke
as
to
that
would
be
I
would
like
to
give
that
direction.
Do
I
need
to.
F
That
go
ahead
all
right!
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
move
to
direct
staff
to
request
from
Burke
either
an
in-person
presentation
about
the
Fountain
Square
debacle
and
what
failed
there.
You
know
why
they're
there
exemptive
any
responsibility
or
what
happened
that
could
be
improved
going
forward.
Just
so
as
not
to
repeat
history,
a
written
explanation
or
or
in-person
meeting
yeah.
C
A
That,
if
I
can
try
me
on
that,
councilmember
Kelly
and
I
spoke
to
council
Cummings
earlier
and
asked
this
exact
question
and
Council
Cummings
said
that
he
thought
it
was
perfectly
fine.
D
I'll
just
wait
here:
I,
don't
think
we
were
going
to
learn
anything
new
by
this
process.
I
mean
staff
has
delivered
this
information
to
us
at
multiple
times.
Since
this
thing,
since
the
incident
happened
so
I,
don't
anticipate
we're
going
to
be
learning
anything
new
I
would
rather
not
put
anybody
through
this
exercise,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
that
report
again.
Tell
us
what
we
already
know.
C
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
there's
emotional.
Was
there
a
second
council
member
Harris,
all
those
in
favor
of
council
member
Kelly's
motion,
hi,
okay,
aye,
all
those
opposed,
no
any
abstentions.
Wonderful!
That
motion
passes.
So
that
brings
us
back
to
the
main
motion
which,
if
the
maker
of
the
motion
which
I
think
Wisconsin
renewsma,
does
not
mind
making
a
friendly
amendment
to
put
A5
in
with
this
as
well.
A
Not
in
the
second,
by
councilmember
Harris,
with
that
all
those
in
favor
of
items,
A4,
A5
and
A7
aye,
any
abstentions
and
any
Nays
doing
that
order
all
right.
That
brings
us
on
to
item
A9,
which
is
approval
of
vending
machine
services.
Contract
renewal,
RFP
1812,
with
Mark
vend
I'll
make
that
motion
moved.
D
A
H
Good
evening
again,
Dave
stoneback,
it's
clearly
indicated
in
the
memo
that
went
to
the
city
council
on
June
27
2022.
It
clearly
indicated
that
this
contract
renewal
two
of
three
and
will
run
from
July
1
2022
through
June,
30
2023
and
then
in
a
different
section.
Under
summary,
you
know
it
indicates
that
staff
is
recommend.
H
City
count,
City
enter
into
a
one-year
contract
renewal
from
July
1
2022
through
June
30
2023,
leaving
one
additional
one-year
option
to
renew
Ms
Thompson
may
have
misspoken
during
comment,
but
I
believe
you
know
what
was
written
in
the
memo
supersedes
anything
that
someone
might
have
said
what
what
I
recollect
was.
It
was
concerned
by
council
member
Newsom
about
the
use
of
plastic
bottles
and
things
like
that,
and
we
work
with
more
then,
and
they
removed
all
the
plastic
in
the
vending
machines
for
products
that
have
an
alternate
container.
H
A
Thank
you
all
right
with
that
I'm.
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
I'll
just
quickly
say
I'm,
it
was
in
the
memo.
This
is
where
we
are
finally
renew
this,
but
I
would
certainly
like
to
see,
as
would
be
natural
here
for
an
RFP
next
year.
I
think
this
is
a
great
as
you
shared
last
time.
You
guys
are
doing
wonderful
with
your
business,
so
really
happy
for
you
with
that.
But
I
do
think.
A
This
is
potentially
a
great
opportunity,
for
you
know
us
next
year
in
future
years
for
smaller
startup
to
to
have
an
opportunity
here.
It's
no
cost
the
city
and
it's
a
low
barrier
to
entry
somewhat
for
vending,
so
I'd
love
to
see
us
try
to
expand
the
opportunity
there.
So
with
that,
if
there's
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
Wonderful.
That
brings
us
to
item
A10
approval
of
the
sixth
addendum
to
the
Phoenix
security
LTD
agreement.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
that's
I
had
a
question
that
was
answered
by
staff
in
writing
earlier,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
go
on
record,
and
this
is
regarding
a
de-escalation
training,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
for
the
terms
of
our
contract,
the
Phoenix
guards
received
some
de-escalation
training
and
there's
some
additional
optional
training
which
they're
not
required
by
the
contract.
But
they
will
do
that
additional
training
as
well
good.
H
Evening
again,
Dave
stormack,
the
contract
is
silent
about
de-escalation
training.
City
staff
made
him
aware
that
Phoenix
aware
that
we
would
prefer
that
their
employees
get
this
and
they
immediately
did
perform
some
de-escalation
training
and
the
city
is
sharing
information
with
them
when
more
de-escalation
training
is
available
and
the
owner
Leon
Mitchell
indicated
that
he'd
be
more
than
welcome
to
revive
schedules
to
make
sure
that
his
employees
get
there
the
ones
that
work
in
the
public
buildings
right.
H
This
contract
runs
only
through
December
this
year,
okay
and
then
we
we
do
need
to
rebid
it
go
out
for
services
next
year
and
we
can
modify
the
the
requirements
of
the
contract
that
we
bid
out
in
the
future
to
indicate
to
training
that
we
expect
our
staff
to
have
yeah.
This
contract
came
up,
I
think
rather
quickly
several
years
ago
and
I,
don't
think
it
was
well
thought
out
as
to
what
the
required
work
scope
would
be
in
the
training,
but
we
have
that
opportunity
now
to
make
improvements
next
year.
Great.
Thank
you.
A
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
are
those
opposed,
any
abstentions,
even
though
there's
just
two
guys
have
it
a
that
brings
us
to
item
a11
approval
of
change
order
number
one
to
the
agreement
with
Boulder
Contractors
Incorporated
for
the
2023
water,
main
improvements
and
Street
resurfacing
project.
This
is
Bid
number
23-26.
F
Let's
see
I
just
had
a
question
regarding
the
funding
that
it
wasn't
budgeted
and
I.
Don't
know
what
that
particular
code
refers
to
what
line
item,
but
can
this
come
from
a
contingency
fund
or
how,
from
the
general
fund.
G
That
particular
code
just
refers
to
essentially
cash
sitting
in
the
general
fund
that
then
gets
transferred
to
the
capital
fund.
It's
also
a
potential
to
use
water
fund
money
for
it
because
it
is
a
water
main
contract.
The
water
fund
is
starting
to
struggle
a
bit
with
some
of
the
costs
that
have
been
applied
to
the
water
fund,
and
so
either
option
is
available.
Normally
we
go
straight
to
the
water
fund,
but
in
this
particular
case
we
started
with
the
general
fund,
but
either
one
can
be
done.
Thank.
G
G
D
G
D
D
G
This
one
was
done
differently
because
there's
a
lot
happening
on
Oakton
this
year,
so
we
were
trying
to
get
in
and
out,
but
we
designed
this
very
quickly
and
put
it
into
the
contract.
So
we
did
not
have
the
ability
to
do
some
of
the
research
that
we
might
normally
do
and
we
generally
would
not
have
the
water
main
work
done
the
same
year
as
the
other
Construction
in
the
same
location.
But.
G
Yes,
the
fact
that
the
work
is
being
done
this
year,
at
the
same
time
that
we
have
another
contractor
actually
to
contract
other
contractors,
because
the
animal
shelter
contractor
is
also
kicking
off
in
that
same
area
is
being
driven
by
the
fact
that
the
water
main
has
experienced
multiple
failures
and
the
failures
have
been
ramping
up,
so
we're
it's
actually
in
the
parkway
for
the
most
part
and
we're
putting
a
multi-use
bike
lane
over
that
in
terms
of
the
construction
for
the
Oakton
Corridor.
G
G
G
D
G
G
It
is
going
to
be
an
interesting
summer
on
Oakton
there
was,
there
was
actually
some
Synergy
between
having
the
animal
shelter
contract
and
the
quarter
improvement
contract
happening
at
the
same
time,
because
there
is
a
little
bit
of
area
where
one
or
the
other
contractor
had
to
do
the
work,
but
we
didn't
want
them
both
to
do
the
work,
so
we
have
made
a
decision
to
put
that
overlap
into
one
contract,
but
the
other
contractor
needs
the
work
done.
So
it
made
sense.
This
water
main
thing
was
not
as
great.
A
To
our
engineer
colleague,
oh
sorry,
Laura
I
have
a
few
questions
for
you:
bureau,
chief
Biggs.
What
are
so
you
mentioned
that
the
Jesus
Christ
I
can't
even
read
my
own
handwriting
that
the
water
fund
is
struggling.
That's
the
word
that
I
couldn't
read.
You
mentioned
that
the
Waterfront
is
struggling,
and
you
said
that
there
were
some
costs
applied
to
the
water
fund.
Recently,
what
are
some
of
those
things
that
are
causing
the
water
from
a
struggle
this
year?
The.
G
Single
biggest
thing:
that's
really
impacting
Us
in
the
water
fund
is
the
lead
service
line
regulations.
So
there's
really
two
pieces
to
the
lead
service
line
stuff.
The
first
is
you
have
to
have
a
plan
as
a
community
to
get
in
all
the
plan
to
get
the
plan
to
get
rid
of
the
lead
service
lines
has
to
be
done
by
2027,
and
then
the
work
has
to
be
done
within
20
to
25
years,
depending
on
how
it
ultimately
falls
out
how
many
services
you
have.
G
So
that
is
a
piece
and
we're
working
on
the
plan,
but
the
second
half
of
the
regulation
is
any
time
you
touch
the
service
if
you're
doing
a
water
main
replacement.
If
the
surface
line
just
breaks-
and
you
have
to
fix
it,
you
have
to
do
the
whole
service
now
and
that's
actually
pretty
expensive
and
those
costs
are
driving
up
the
cost
of
the
water
main
dramatically,
and
so
we're
we're
finding
that
we're
getting
squeezed
legally
we're
required
to
do
it.
G
We're
also
seeing
an
increased
number
of
water
main
breaks
that
are
happening
over
the
last
few
years.
That
is
also
concerning
and
is
making
it
harder
to
pick,
which
is
the
worst
water
main
that
needs
to
be
replaced
in
the
next
year
and
so
staff
is
concerned
that
we
are
actually
not
replacing
enough
water
main.
But
currently
we
would
struggle
to
replace
more
financially.
A
G
Consider
primarily
two
factors:
one
is
the
number
of
breaks
on
a
section
of
water
main,
that's
tracked,
and
it
used
to
be
for
a
while
when
we
first
started
tracking
it,
we
were
fixing
things
that
had
six
or
seven
breaks
in
a
section,
a
section,
typically
being
a
block,
and
now
for
a
while,
we
got
down
to
like
if
there
were
only
three
breaks
now
we're
seeing
we're
back
at
like
seven
or
eight
breaks
before
we
have,
because
there's
such
a
backlog
of
water
main
that's
breaking.
The
second
thing
is
fire
flow.
G
We
have
a
water
model,
water
distribution
system
model
that
indicates
the
pressure
and
the
fire
flow
that
you
would
get
out
of
the
fire
hydrants.
We
also
do
some
fire
hydrant
testing
to
validate
that,
and
the
fire
flow
is
pretty
important
for
obvious
reasons.
If
we
find
a
section
where
the
main
is
just
undersized
to
the
point
that
it's
impacting
fire
flow,
we
will
go
in
and
replace
that.
However,
that
is
typically
done.
More
was
typically
done
more
when
we
had
fewer
breaks
we
were
dealing
with.
G
We
also
need
to
coordinate
the
water
main
replacement
with
the
street
resurfacing
because
nobody
wants
us
to
surface
the
street
and
then
two
years
later
go
tear
out
the
whole
street
and
then
replace
the
water
main
and
resurface
the
street
again.
So
there
are
some
of
that
that
happens,
and
then
we
also
look
at
what's
going
on
around
town
like
the
Oakton
Corridor
thing.
Ideally,
we
would
have
caught
that
sooner,
but
we're
just
getting
overwhelmed
by
the
number
of
breaks
lately.
Thank.
A
G
A
H
Stonebeck
and
staff
actually
looked
into
purchasing
a
software
that
would
help
us
evaluate
which
water
means
to
replace
our
data
was
better
than
what
their
model
was.
We
were
telling
them
tips
on
how
to
improve
their
model
to
get
a
more
accurate
picture.
So
it's
a
new
industry
that
is
just
now
starting,
but
it
seemed
like
Evanston
was
already
ahead
of
what
the
the
software
designers
were.
Looking
at.
A
Well
then,
maybe
we
need
to
create
a
software
and
sell
it
to
other
folks.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
I
I'd
love
to
actually,
if
that's
something
you
can
share
with
either
myself
or
if
the
committee
wants
it,
I'd
just
love
to
see
that
GIS
data.
Is
it
something
that
is
user
friendly
for
the
non-engineers
of
us
up
here.
A
Yeah
I'd
love
to
see
it
in
map
format,
and
particularly
also
just
the
age
of,
if
that's
also
in
the
map
format.
The
age
of
particular
sections.
I'd
love
to
see
that.
D
A
D
Vouch
for
its
its
existence,
existence
yes,
and.
A
And
then,
lastly,
do
we,
as
just
at
a
municipal
conference
and
sat
through
a
a
presentation
on
a
similar
subject
when
we
are
and
I
heard
you
express
some
of
this
earlier,
for
example,
with
the
Oakton
Corridor
project,
but
do
we
you
know,
let
ComEd
know
hey
we're
opening
up
the
street
here
or
do
we
let
other
folks
who
may
also
want
need
to
access
the
road?
Do
we
let
them
know,
do
we
coordinate
with
Partners
to
so?
We
don't
have
to
have
as
many
interruptions.
G
Yes,
we
do,
but
usually
since
we
are
so
focused
on
where
water
mains
are
breaking
and
they
are
driven
by
different
criteria,
usually
as
an
plan
to
upgrade
a
section
of
their
system,
and
they
have
a
lot
more
places
than
Evanston
to
worry
about.
It's
unusual
for
us
to
be
around
each
other
at
the
same
time,
and
it
would
actually
cause
some
challenges
if
we
were
all
working
together
in
the
same
location,
because
their
contractor
is
a
different
person
than
our
contractor.
A
F
A
All
those
opposed
any
abstentions
the
motion
passes
and
seeing
no
further
business.
Is
there
anything
for
discussion,
no
say
no
further
business
before
us.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.