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A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
good
evening
welcome
to
the
august
8th
edition
of
the
city
of
evanston's
administration
and
public
works
committee.
My
name
is
jonathan
nussma
council
member
from
the
fourth
ward
chairing
the
committee
meeting
this
evening.
With
a
quorum
being
present,
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
at
506
pm
and
deputy
manager
stoneback.
Can
you
take
the
role
please.
A
Here,
moving
right
along
if
either
councilmember,
kelly
or
reid
would
like
to
make
a
motion
on
the
minutes
from
last
month,
I
moved
the
minutes.
A
Council,
member
reed
has
moved
and
councilmember
kelly
has
seconded
all
in
favor
aye
and
he
opposed
the
minutes
are
approved,
which
brings
us
to
public
comment.
I
understand
we
have
four
people
signed
up
so
far
and
we'll
just
take
them
in
order,
and
that
price
is
the
first
prince,
I'm
sorry
miss
prince.
A
Annette
prince
going
once
going
twice,
we
will
come
back.
I
was
mute.
A
There
we
go
okay,
miss
prince,
you
have
two
minutes.
D
Yes,
here
we
go,
my
name
is
annette
prince
and
I
am
the
director
of
chicago
collision
monitors,
which
is
a
conservation
project
working
to
advocate
for
the
protection
of
migratory
birds
from
the
hazards
of
building
collisions,
I'm
also
chair
of
bird
friendly
chicago,
a
collaboration
of
chicago
bird
collision,
monitors
chicago
audubon
society
and
the
chicago
orthological
society.
D
I'm
here
just
to
indicate
today
that
the
design
guidelines
that
are
being
proposed
to
be
adopted
by
the
city
of
evanston
are
following
those
that
were
developed
for
the
city
of
chicago
by
consultants
and
bird
experts
from
bird
friendly
chicago.
These
bird
friendly
design
requirements
are
in
the
process
of
being
implemented
by
the
chicago
department
of
planning.
D
These
requirements
and
guidelines
for
this
type
of
reduction
in
prevention
of
burke
collisions
are
in
the
process
of
implementation.
In
many
other
cities
in
the
united
states,
as
well
as
canada,
new
york
and
toronto
have
such
in
place,
and
I
strongly
support
the
adoption
of
those
by
the
city
of
evanston.
E
There's
some
pictures
of
my
situation.
Okay,
thank
you.
On
friday,
I
checked
the
city
website
for
the
apw
agenda
and
I
was
thrilled
to
see.
Resolution
63r22
had
been
added
to
the
agenda
and
I
was
very
thankful
for
that.
I
felt
hopeful.
The
city
was
going
to
do
the
right
thing
to
help
me
and
others.
In
this
situation,
I
had
fight
with
the
city
to
expedite
a
permit
plead
with
the
city
to
work
with
the
state
to
increase
the
daily
work
hours
from
six
to
eight.
To
avoid
another
day
of
lane.
E
This
is
on
top
of
the
fact
that
in
august
2020,
when
I
first
started
having
sewer
issues
and
called
the
city,
a
sewer
maintenance
supervisor
came
to
my
house,
while
the
sewer
line
was
being
hydrogen
to
review
the
plumber's
video.
He
claimed
the
pipe
looked
clear
and
he
did
not
see
any
indication
of
a
collapsed
or
damaged
pipe.
E
I've
been
pleading
with
the
city
for
financial
assistance
and
advocating
for
a
fair
resolution
whereby
the
resident
pays
an
above
average
fair
share
and
the
city
pays
the
remainder
or
a
portion
of
the
remainder
based
on
household
income.
Today
I
was
made
aware
some
council
members
would
vote
against
this
resolution
because
they
believed
it
would
open
the
city
up
to
a
50
million
dollar
liability.
The
numbers
used
to
create
this.
The
scenario
are
flawed
and
are
meant
to
scare
the
council
into
into
rejecting
this
resolution.
E
The
numbers
assume
also
all
sewer
services
considered
at
risk
due
to
depth,
location,
soil
consistency,
etcetera,
would
fail
at
once.
Approximately
seven
hundred
and
seventeen
hundred
sewer
lines
like
mine,
requiring
thirty
thousand
dollar
reimbursement
need
to
occur
to
impose
a
50
million
dollar
liability
for
the
city
at
two
failures
per
year.
That's
833
years
at
10
failures
per
year.
That's
sep!
That's
170
years.
E
A
Mr
vasilco,
I
don't
see
you
in
the
room.
Can
you.
F
All
right,
thank
you.
I
think
agenda
item
e5
should
be
rejected.
Staff
is
recommending
entering
into
a
contract
with
a
a
contractor
who
apparently
was
the
sole
bidder
on
the
resurfacing
of
14
tennis
courts
and
one
basketball
court,
four
of
the
court
being
at
robert
crown
by
the
way,
which
is
brand
new,
only
one
better
replied.
F
They
should
send
out
the
bid
reissue
it
more
widely
advertised.
If
the
work
can't
be
done
this
year,
it
should
be
done
next
year
and
this
particular
bidder
was
a
has
no
mwebe
participation
which
you
know
should
not
be
accepted
either.
F
So
please
reject
item
a5
item
a8.
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
this
item
for
the
hirans
for
community
engagement
or
programming
needs
is
that
something
that
qualifies
to
be
taken
from
tif
money
as
it's
being
proposed?
So
that's
item
a8
item
a9.
F
F
F
Agenda
item
a
19
for
the
green
building;
ordinance
I'm
in
agreement
basically,
but
there's
no
reason
why
it
shouldn't
include
projects
and
renovations
under
10
000
square
feet
as
proposed,
so
that
should
be
amended
so
that
all
projects,
all
commercial
projects,
all
residential
projects
going
forward-
need
to
meet
the
greed
building
ordinances.
Please.
F
D
I'm
here
apologies
I
I
should
have
signed
up
for
pnd.
I
don't
need
to
speak
right
now.
A
G
Okay,
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
bird
friendly
evanston
and
cge
citizens,
greener,
evanston
and
natural
habitat
evanston
all
are
very
much
in
support
of
the
bird
friendly
ordinance.
G
Annette
prince
from
chicago
audubon
just
spoke
about
them,
so
I'm
not
going
to
take
much
time,
but
I
do
want
to
mention
that
for
years
since
2014
bird,
I
and
libby
hill
on
behalf
of
bird
friendly
evanston,
have
been
working
with
developers
on
these
issues,
and
many
of
them
have
agreed
to
go
ahead
with
remediations
or
changes
to
their
plans,
but
without
an
ordinance
we
can't
enforce
that,
and
you
know
it's
not
I'm
not
even
holding
it
against
the
developers,
cost
compromises
happen,
changes
happen
and
and
we
have
no
way
of
tracking
what
actually
went
through.
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
anybody
else
online
or
in
person
going
once
going
twice
all
right?
Let's
move
on
with
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
I
C
I
A
Council
member
burns
and
again
this
is
the
consent
agenda
items
a1
through
a13,
with
the
exception
of
a
a
eight,
a
nine
and
a
ten.
It's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
all
in
favor,
aye,
aye
aye
any
opposed
the
consent
agenda
carries,
with
the
exception
of
a
five,
a
eight,
a
nine
and
a
10..
C
I
will
move
item
a5
contract
award
with
chicago
land,
paving
contractors
incorporated
for
tennis
court
resurfacing
pro
for
yeah
tennis
court
resurfacing
project
bid.
Number
2249.
C
I
A
H
Thank
you
yeah,
I'm
concerned
that
we
only
received
one
bid
and
because
this
is
nearly
half
a
billion
dollars
and
we're
exempting
the
mw
waiving
mw,
ebe
requirements,
participation,
I'd
like
to
see
this
go
out
more
widely
and
get
get
more
bids.
I
also
I
mean
this
is
for
the
resurfing
of
the
courts.
I'm
also
can
you
could?
Someone
also
explain:
are
the
robert
crown
tennis
courts?
Those
are
new.
Courts
are
old
courts.
I
mean.
Why
would
those
be
getting
resurfaced
right
now.
B
B
B
I
believe
so
just
give
me
one.
Second,
please.
B
Yes,
there
is
money
budgeted
in
the
general
obligation
bonds
for
this
work,
and
this
is
the
second
time
that
we
re-bid
the
project.
We
did
it
once
before
and
received
no
bids
at
all,
and
then
we
re-bid
it
again
and
we
have
this
one
bid.
B
If
it
gets
ordered
at
this
time,
yes
it'd
be
able
to
complete
it
this
year.
If
we
don't
award
tonight,
we'd
have
to
wait
until
next
year
to
do
it.
I.
B
H
Okay,
so
is
that
I
mean:
is
that
what
you
would
I'm
just
surprised?
I
mean
how
I
don't
know
how
wide
we
won,
but
that
we
just
have
one
for
such
a
large
job.
Only
one
I
mean,
can
you
speak
to
that?
A
little
bit
is
that.
B
So
these
are
generally
street
pavement
contractors
that
do
this
work,
and
this
is
a
lot
more
tedious
than
paving
a
street,
because
you
have
to
work
around
the
fence,
get
your
equipment
in
and
then
not
only
pave
the
street,
but
then
have
to
put
the
markings
on
the
court
and
everything
like
that.
So
it's
a
lot
more
labor,
intense
and
the
profit
margin
isn't
there.
So,
even
though
it
is
a
large
project,
companies
just
don't
seem
to
want
to
bid
on
this.
H
Great
thank
you.
I
appreciate
answering
all
my
questions.
I
am
a
tennis
player,
so
I
do
enjoy
nice
courts,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
there
wasn't
any.
I
you
know,
I'm
disappointed
to
see
that
we
have
to
waive
the
mw.
Ebe
participation
on
this
because
of
the
only
getting
one
bid,
but
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
kelly,
councilmember
burns.
Reed,
you
good
on
this
one
all
right.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
there
are
an
additional
20
courts
throughout
the
city
that
are
not
included
in
this
project.
So
public
works
worked
with
the
parks
and
rec
department
to
kind
of
prioritize
which
ones
needed
the
most
immediate
attention.
B
That's
correct:
some
of
these
have
some
fairly
significant
cracking
in
them.
We
have
a
tree
root
issue
out
at
james
park,
so
the
the
courts
are
not
in
good
condition
and
that
they're
well
past
their
life
cycle
for
being
resurfaced
right
and.
A
B
That's
correct,
so
I'm
just
going
to
use
james
park
as
a
reference.
I
know
that
there's
four
tennis
courts
there
so
on
two
of
those
courts,
we'll
put
the
pickleball
markings
on
as
well
as
tennis
courts.
The
other
two
will
be
just
tennis,
so
half
of
the
courts
at
any
particular
site
will
get
the
pickleball
markings
great.
A
I've
been
starting
to
hear
more
and
more
about
pickleball,
so
in
in
the
future.
Let's,
let's
talk
about
some
dedicated
pickleball
courses.
C
It
just
I
want
to
acknowledge
that.
Thank
you.
I'm
excited
to
see
that
the
courts
at
james
park
are
going
to
be
retrofitted
and.
C
C
A
C
I
would
I
would
love
to.
I
think
james
park
is
a
good
location
for
that
I've
heard
that
pickleball
can
be
kind
of
loud.
That's
it's
kind
of
a
loud
sport,
and
it
can
make
a
quite
a
bit
of
racket
with.
C
So
I
think
james
park
is
a
pretty
good
location.
It's
pretty
separated,
I'd,
still
love
to
just
keep
folks
updated,
and
maybe
someone
from
parks
and
rec
can
talk
about
this
resurfacing
and
I'm
sorry.
When
do
we
one
last
question:
when
do
we
plan
on
this
work
being
concluded.
A
Okay,
thank
you
great
seeing
no
further
discussion.
I
will
call
the
question
on
this
one
all
in
favor,
say
hi
hi
any
opposed
item.
A5
carries
unanimously
bringing
us
to
item
eight
eight.
A
I
A
It's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded,
and
it
occurs
to
me
that
item
a8
kind
of
goes
very
nicely
with
item
a15,
which
is
a
resolution
on
an
mou
with
d65
and
so
with
the
unofficial
consent
of
of
the
committee
members.
Maybe
we'll
hold
off
on
discussion
on
discussing
a5
for
now
and
kind
of
do
a
five
and
a
mean
a8
a15,
a8
a15.
At
the
same
time,
I'm
fine
with
it.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
no
vote
on
on
a5.
Quite
yet
we
will
hold
off
motion
to
I'm
sorry.
A
Okay,
let's
all
in
favor
of
tabling.
L
A
It's
been
tiled,
second,
let's
table
a8
all
by
saying,
hi
hi,
and
we
will
take
that
off
of
the
table
when
we
get
to
item
a
a15
so
atom
a9.
If
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
C
A
C
D
C
I
I
want
to
commend
both
staff
and
council
member
burns
for
leading
on
the
ledge
service
line,
replacement
portion
of
this
and
creating
a
program,
and
I
think
the
this
expenditure
is
certainly
in
line
with
a
lot
of
those
discussions
and
that
were
were
had
regarding
creating
a
apprenticeship
program.
I
know
we're
using
if
I've
not
mistaken,
oprah
funds
for
this
yeah
yep
we're
using
our
funds
for
this.
I
think
it's
a
fairly
solid
use
of
of
our
funds,
so.
A
And
I
understand
that
the
arpa
funds
had
been
previously
allocated
for
this
purpose
and
we
are
now
disapproving
the
expense
councilmember
kelly.
I
think
you
were
the
one
who
pulled
this.
Do
you
want
to
weigh
in
sure.
H
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
somebody
could
respond
to
mr
vasilco's
questioning
about
the
vehicles
that
are
being
purchased
with
regard
to
scoping
out
possibility
of
more.
M
Good
evening,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
shaun
cholek
facilities
and
fleet
management
to
comment
on
the
question
about
electrification.
That
is
correct.
There
are
a
number
of
companies
that
are
starting
to
implement
electrification
for
various
types
of
vehicles,
the
ones
that
we're
talking
about
here
are
heavy-duty
construction
equipment,
and
they
are
not
something
that
we
feel
confident
in
moving
forward
with
an
electric
option.
At
this
point,
we
feel
like
the
technology
is
not
quite
there,
they
haven't
been
proven
and
tested
enough
to
make
us
feel
comfortable
to
invest
in
them.
M
M
We
have
recently
issued
the
rfp
for
fleet
electric
electrification
and
right
sizing,
and
so
we
will
be
working
with
the
consultant
very
closely
on
that
to
determine
what
the
trends
are.
Looking
like,
what
the
what
the
options
are
like
out
there,
and
we
will
eventually
push
to
electrify
more
of
these
heavy
heavier
pieces
of
equipment.
We
just
don't
feel
like
now
is
the
correct
time
as
far
as
the
ford
trucks,
those
also
they're
they're,
not
the
very
small
vehicles
right
now.
M
B
A
C
Council
member
reed,
yes,
thank
you
one
more
question
to
to
that
same
point.
What
is
the
more
specifically
if
you
can
now
what
is
the
concern
with
the
electric
vehicle.
M
M
M
You
know,
I
know,
there's
electric
tractors
things
like
that,
but
right
now,
to
my
knowledge,
there's
nothing!
That's
that's
going
to
fit
what
our
operations
require.
C
Okay,
yeah,
I
just
I
would
love
us
to
as
we're
moving
forward
just
do
more
research
in
that
I'd.
Imagine
if
there's
some
manufacturer
that
makes
the
vehicle
that
is
of
this
class.
That
is
electric.
I
would
assume
that
it
would
meet
some
kind
of
you
know,
someone
out
there
there's
there
has
to
be.
I
would
assume,
there's
a
market
for
it,
and
I
would
imagine
folks
are
doing
similar
work
to
what
we
would
be
doing
with
a
piece
of
machinery
like
that.
C
So
I
just
want
to
know
specifically
why
we,
you
know,
feel
that
the
machines
aren't
the
electric
version
of
the
machine
isn't
up
to
standards
for
us.
M
M
Right
there
there's
nothing
that
we
know
made
by
caterpillar
or
john
deere
that
would
fit
this.
This
application,
okay,
okay
and
we
will
work
with
the
vendor
or
the
consultant
on
the
rfp
for
electrification
and
they're,
going
to
give
us
a
little
more
information.
Do
a
little
more
research
into
what
options
are
looking
like
for
the
future
and
and
what
we
may
be
able
to
acquire
within
the
next
couple
years.
Perfect.
A
Thank
you.
So
I
just
had
a
follow-on
question
so
that
the
fleet
electrification
study
includes
not
just
cars
and
trucks,
but
construction
vehicles
like
wheel,
loaders
and
backhoes.
M
A
Any
other
questions
on
item
a
nine
in.
B
In
addition,
when
you
purchase
the
electric
vehicle,
you
have
to
have
the
mechanics
that
have
the
training
in
in
order
to
maintain
them,
and
we
have
to
have
the
charging
stations
and
we
don't
have
the
charging
stations.
Yet
that's
something
that
the
rfp
will
help
us
determine
how
many
charging
stations
should
we
have.
Where
should
they
be
located,
and
then
also
what
type
of
training
our
mechanics
should
have
and
then
we'll
make
sure
they
get
the
proper
certifications
to
work
on
electric
vehicles.
C
One
last
question
on
this:
what
is
the
intended
lifespan
of
a
vehicle
of
the
larger
equipment
here.
M
So
it
depends
on
the
particular
piece
of
equipment,
for
example
this
this
loader
is
actually
you
know,
it's
still
got
a
little
bit
of
life
into
it.
We're
gonna
put
it
in
as
a
reserve
vehicle
and
get
rid
of
one
of
the
older
ones,
and
I
believe
this
one
is.
M
I
thought
I
had
it
written
down
here
this
one's
a
2012.,
so
it's
approximately
10
years
old
once
they
get
to
around
10
years
old,
for
these
heavier
pieces
of
equipment.
We
want
to
really
start
looking
into
getting
pricing
and
looking
at
options
for
them,
especially
for
water
and
sewer
work.
You
know
we,
if
there's
something,
we
don't
want
going
down.
It's
it's
one
of
those
pieces
of
equipment.
M
I
I
would
I'm
not
an
expert
in
many
excavators,
but
I
would
assume
that
it's
very
similar
to
something
like
the
loader,
where
it
does
go
through
a
lot
of
really
rigorous
work
and
and
takes
a
beating,
so
probably
10
years
or
so.
For
that
one
also
and.
C
Then,
if
we
were
to
you
know,
cara
pratt
is
here,
and
so,
if
you
can
remind
me
our
goal,
I
think
we
have
a
goal
to
electrify
our
fleet.
By
do
we
have
a
gold
electrifly
that
yeah
by
what
year
is
it
2030,
2035.
L
C
Oh
2050,
okay,
that's
a
ways
out.
My
concern
was
that,
if
we're
buying
a
vehicle
that
has
a
10-year
lifespan-
and
you
know
our
goal
is
to
get
to
100
by
you-
know-
2035
for
example,
or
20-
you
know
30,
then
you
know
purchasing
this
vehicle
now
may
not
be
the
may
not
help
us
achieve
that
goal,
and
if
we
were
to-
and
thank
you
cara
if
we
were
to
hold
off
on
on
this,
just
hypothetically
not
seem
to
make
a
motion
yet.
C
But
if
we
were
to
hold
off
on
this
until
the
next
meeting
with
that
to
allow
for
fleet
to
just
look
into
electric
vehicles
of
this
sort-
and
you
know
give
some
kind
of
analysis-
would
that
disrupt
services
at
all.
M
Yeah,
so
one
thing
I
will
say
is
one
of
these
vehicles
is
currently
being
built
right
now
it
was
we
were
reached
out
to
that
it
was
available.
M
I
think
I
believe
the
sale
had
fallen
through
with
somebody
else.
So
if
we
were
not
to
approve
it
at
this
meeting,
we
would
miss
that
that
chance
they
would
sell
it
to
somebody
else.
These
days
this
equipment
is
taking
a
while
to
build
so
something
that
would
take
maybe
nine
months
to
a
year
could
take
24
months
at
this
point,
so
my
recommendation
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
these
now
the
same
thing
with
the
two
ford
pickup
trucks.
Those
are
both
readily
available
on
a
lot.
C
Okay
and
okay.
Well,
thank
you,
thank
you
sure,
but
certainly
as
we
move
forward,
you
know,
as
you
know,
from
henceforth
whenever
vehicles
are
coming
forward.
I
just
really
love
us
to
look
at
electric
options
as
as
much
as
possible.
I
Just
like,
because
even
after
we
get
that
things
like,
I
just
looked
at
the
f250
to
see
when
that's
coming
online,
I
think
it's
either
all
electric
or
hybrid,
even
after
we
get
to
study,
things
will
continue
to
change
and
develop
in
the
marketplace.
So
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
is
in
the
packet.
If
you
can
include
that
research
like
yeah,
we
know
the
f
250
is
coming
out.
You
know
late
2023
summer.
I
You
know
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
it
like
just
to
include
that
in
the
packet
would
be
helpful,
so
we
can
follow
along,
as
as
you
are
in
in
in
the
development
of
electric
vehicles,.
A
A
Second,
it's
been
moved
by
council
member
reed
and
seconded
by
council
member
burns.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item?
A
I
was
the
one
who
pulled
it
and
I
just
wanted
to
flag
the
question
that
will
be
coming
before
us
at
some
point
regarding
the
city's
policy
on
charging
for
charging.
You
know
so
far.
We
have
a
number
of
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
in
city
parking
lots.
We
don't
charge
people
to
use
them,
they
have
to
pay
for
parking
but
they're
not
paying
for
the
electricity
that
they
use,
and
I
think
that
was
probably
the
right
thing
to
do
in
the
early
stages
of
the
the
ev
industry
as
part
of
our
cart
plan.
A
But
as
electric
vehicles
become
increasingly
prevalent,
we
probably
don't
want
to
keep
giving
away
free
electricity
indefinitely.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
into
those
the
details
of
that
policy
discussion
here.
That
would
require
a
separate
referral
and
some
additional
study
before
we
can
before
we
can
make
any
changes,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
and
get
some
initial
feedback
from
the
committee
members
yeah
customer.
C
Read
yeah:
well,
you
opened
up
the
can
yeah.
So
I'm
curious
if
there's
anyone
on
staff
who
has
any
estimate
as
to
what
we
spend
annually
on
providing
that
free
charging
service,
it's
in
the
packet.
K
Good
evening,
members
of
the
committee,
mike
rivera
interim
administrative
services,
director
annually
we're
spending
approximately
six
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
the
electric
utility.
Oh
okay,.
C
A
All
right
any
other
questions
on
that
item
c.
None
all
in
favor
of
item
a10
signify
by
saying
I
I
I
any
opposed
item
10
carries
unanimously,
and
so
that
completes
the
consent
agenda
and
brings
us
to
items
for
consideration
the
first
one
of
which
is
item
a14.
If
somebody.
C
Would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
move
item
a14
resolution
57r22
authorizing
the
interim
city
manager
to
sign
a
local
public
agency
engine
manager,
sign
a
local
public
agency
engineering
services,
agreement
for
the
ridge,
avenue
construction
engineering
services
agreement
with
kimberly
horn
incorporated
and
the
illinois
department
of
transportation
for
federal
funding
participation.
A
C
Will
I
will
move
both
making
a
motion
to
remove
item
a8
from
the
table
and
simultaneously
am
I
doing
too
many
motions
in
one.
C
All
right
and
and
jointly
to
also
move
concurrently
resolution,
60
r22
authorizing
the
interim
city
manager
to
execute
a
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
evanston
skokie
school
district
65
and
to
execute
an
agreement
with
cortigan
clark.
Architects
in
connection
there
with
is
there.
A
A
So
let
us
begin
the
discussion
by
focusing
on
an
item
a8.
A
Which
involves
hiring
a
consultant
to
do
some
community
outreach
regarding
the
programming
for
for
both
gibson
morrison
and
fleetwood,
jourdain
yeah,
so
councilmember
burns.
I
The
main
conflict
is
under
the
agreement
with
quarter
gun
clark.
It
says
that
they
will.
I
Also
provide
community
engagement
services,
which
shall
focus
on
the
community
engagement
piece
and
shall
include
meetings
with
fleetwood,
jordan,
staff
for
leaders,
neighborhood
town
halls,
community
groups,
focus
groups
and
family
focus
to
ascertain
the
programmatic
needs,
etc.
So
that
is
exactly
what
a8
is
for.
So
basically
we
I
think
it
was.
I
don't
know
the
exact
date,
but
it
says
it
in
here.
I
Several
months
ago
now
I
started
to
work
with
staff
because,
with
or
without
the
new
school,
we
were
going
to
move
towards
thinking
through
what
it
looked
like
to
increase,
programming
and
potentially
even
the
footprint
of
fleetwood,
and
so
the
we
you
know,
created
this
rfp
process.
I
I
think
four
contractors
responded
to
that
rfp
and
then
here
we
are
now
today
with
a
recommend
one
that
staff
is
recommending
for
us
to
approve.
So
the
spirit
of
all
of
this
is
not
to
duplicate.
I
You
know
programming,
and
I
think
we
should
continue
that
spirit
and
remove
that
from
one
of
the
scopes
of
cortigan
clark
and
and
and
make
sure
that
iran,
if
that's
the
way,
how
you
pronounce
that
that
they're
collaborating
with
cortigan
clark,
but
that
we
remove
that
from
their
scope
of
services.
A
You're
suggesting
we
approve
a8
as
in
front
of
us
and
include
the
community
outreach
yeah.
I
We
can
appreciate
and
then
exclude
community
engagement,
as
I
mean
I'll,
let
staff
determine
how
we
want
to
do
it,
but
basically
that
is
they're
they're
suggesting
in
this
proposal
that
they
will
provide
the
same
service
that
iran
would
provide,
and
I
I'd
rather,
the
city
lead
the
community
engagement
around
fleetwood
jourdain
in
particular.
Now,
obviously,
the
cortigan
and
clark
may
still
do
community
engagement
for
the
fifth
floor
school,
but
I
would
like
the
city
to
lead
on
the
community
engagement
for
fleetwood
your
day.
N
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
turn.
The
I
would
leave
it
in
both
contracts
and
here's
why
the
school
district
wants
to
run
a
million
miles
an
hour
on
this
and
we're
in
danger
of
getting
fleetwood
jourdain
run
over
in
terms
of
everything
you're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
its
programming
when
we
contract
with
cortigan
clark,
what
we're
doing
is
saying
it's
not
the
school
district
alone
that
is
controlling
the
space
here,
the
two
properties
that
are
involved.
You
have
to
pay
attention
to
the
programming
needs
of
the
park
district.
N
There's
no
reason
by
passing
both
of
these
that
haran
can't
lead.
The
community
engagement
do
all
of
that
and
hand
that
off
to
courting
clark,
they
can
design
the
questions
to
be
asked
of
the
community.
They
can
arrange
the
feedback
and
all
the
rest.
The
school
district
is
going
to
have
to
wait
for
us
to
do
it
there
and
her
on
is
probably
the
right
people
to
work
on
our
mission
and
what
we
want,
but
courting
clark's
going
to
get
city
of
evanston
money.
They
need
to
pay
attention
to
the
city
of
evanston's.
I
I
think
the
only
thing
my
concern
is,
if
we're
paying
for
it,
though
we
shouldn't
pay
because
again
in
under
project
understanding,
it
says
that
they're
going
to
hold
town
meetings
and
town
hall
meetings
and
focus
groups.
Yes,.
I
N
N
Architects
will
come
with
all
sorts
of
wonderful
ideas
about
what
they
think
the
center
should
be,
and
you
know
clock
towers
and
everything
else,
but
to
understand
what
it
is
we
want
to
buy.
They
have
to
go
through
the
programming
analysis.
It's
called
and
the
only
way
they're
going
to
get.
The
programming
analysis
here
is,
I
understand
from
talking
to
dave
and
stephanie
is
by
listening
to
what
the
community
members
say.
They
wanted
fleetwood
jourdain.
N
I
don't
know.
Audrey
has
further
input
on
this,
but
the
programming
phase
only
happens
by
when
the
owner
tells
the
con
the
architect
what
it
is
we
want
well,
in
this
case
it's
not
coming
from
a
staff
member.
It's
not
coming
from
the
city
manager,
it's
coming
from
this
process,
so
I
I
we
need
them
to
be
there
to
listen
to
us
so
that
they
understand
what
our
programming
needs
are.
A
Councilman
reed
and
then
deputy
city
manager
stone
back.
C
No
council
price
really
answered
what
I
was
looking
for,
and
so
as
long
as
council
member
burns,
and
everyone
else
is
fine
with
that.
I
don't
have
any
questions
so
director.
B
I
just
want
to
point
out
with
the
according
and
clark
proposal,
they're
indicating
the
the
people
that
would
be
at
the
meeting
in
the
hours,
and
I
agree
that
their
proposal
probably
indicates
the
staff
that
would
be
needed
if
they
were
leading
the
meeting.
But
if
haran
is
leading
the
meeting,
courtney
and
clark
is
not
going
to
have
the
same
people
attending
the
meeting
and
the
price
this
this
doesn't
lock
us
into
paying
that
amount.
This
is
a
a
proposal
with
the
proposed
hours
and
the
hourly
rate.
B
B
A
You
great
thank
you,
so
I
think
a8
is
is
behind
us
is.
Are
there
any
questions
specifically
on
a15
the
mou?
They
were
moved
jointly.
A
A
It's
the
same
taxpayers
that
fund
both
of
these
organizations,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
to
collaborate
and
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
family
focus
is
part
of
this
discussion
as
well,
and
I
talked
with
councilmember
burns
earlier.
You
know,
since
we
have
three
institutions
on
the
same,
you
know
in
very
close
proximity
serving
the
same
population
with
similar
services.
A
Hopefully
we
are
collaborating
effectively
so
that
all
three
organizations
will
be
kind
of
singing
in
harmony
rather
than
singing
three
different,
beautiful
songs.
At
the
same
time,
so
item
a8
and
a15
have
been
properly
moved.
If
there
is
no
further
discussion,
I'll
call
the
vote.
All
in
favor
of
a8
and
a15.
A
And
the
opposed
motion,
the
motion
carries
that
is
a8
and
a15,
both
passing
unanimously
bringing
us
to
item
a16.
A
A
C
I
will
move
resolution
62
r22
approving
extended
hours
of
liquor
service
on
september
10th,
2022
september
17,
2022
september
24th
november
5th
november,
26th,
all
in
2022
for
levy
premium
food
services,
one
day
class
z2
liquor
license.
A
C
Quick
question:
I
know
this
is
in
the
packet.
A
Council
member
revell
is
invited
to
the
podium.
O
Good
evening,
everybody
this
is
traditionally
happens
for
the
football
season
every
year
when
the
football
game
starts
in
the
morning,
the
levy
brothers
leave
the
premium.
Full
food
service
would
like
to
be
able
to
start
selling
alcohol
a
couple
two
hours
before
the
game
starts,
which
is
nine
a.m,
so
the
our
our
like
our
ordinance
says
10
am
so.
This
allows
them
to
start
selling
the
alcohol
an
hour
earlier
and
we've
approved
this
routinely
for
several
years
now.
C
Yeah,
I'm
perfectly
fine
with
it.
I'm
surprised
our
ordinance,
so
our
current
ordinance
says
you
can't
sell
liquor
before
10
10
a.m.
L
O
Just
relevant
to
that
particular
one-day
license.
I.
A
C
Approval
of
res
of
resolution,
63
r22,
recognizing
the
public
benefit
of
the
city,
paying
private
sewer
repair
line
costs
in
excess
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
repair
for
residential
property.
Second,.
A
It's
been
moved
by
councilman
reed
seconded
by
council
member
burns,
any
questions
or
comments,
councilmember
reed.
C
Yeah
I
this
came
up
a
while
ago,
when
miss
allen
brought
this
to
our
attention.
I
forget
who
I
think,
councilmember
braether
was
chair
at
the
time
and
then
it
moved
over
to
my
chairmanship,
where
I
started
having
discussions
with
directors
with
manager,
stoneback
and
and
others
regarding
this,
as
well
as
the
committee
and
council
member
kelly,
has
also
been
key
and
is
moving
this
forward
since
since
my
time
as
chair,
I
I
fully
support
this.
C
I
think
you
know,
I
think,
there's
an
amendment
that
just
spoke
with
council
member
kelly
about
which
would
be
to
amend
the
language
here,
to
create
the
to
to
put
an
equity
lens
on
this
and
to
ensure
that
the
city
is
only
covering
the
cost
in
excess
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
C
For
folks
who
are
for
households
making
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
so
I
moved
to
I'm
sorry,
yes,
under
200
000,
we
only
want
to
help
the
wealthy
folks
pay
for
it,
yes
for
folks
making
under
200
dollars
a
year.
So
that
is
a
motion.
I
move
that
we
amend
the
language
to
have.
This
only
cover
the
cut
the
excess
cost
for
folks
making
under
200
000
a
year
for
households
making
under
two
hundred
thousand.
C
And
as
I'm
doing
that,
I
do
also
want
to
mention
you
know,
I
do
understand,
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
some
of
my
colleagues
about
you
know,
as
ms
allen
mentioned,
this
potentially
opening
the
door
to
other
household,
the
city
being
on
the
line
for
other
items,
and-
and
I
I
tend
to
disagree
with
that
in
that
this-
these
services,
the
water
and
sewer
lines
are
the
only
city
services
that
other
than
you
know,
maybe
an
alley
or
street
or
a
sidewalk
that
directly
connect
to
a
household.
C
And
so
I
I
think
this
is
an
obligation
that
we
can
take
on.
I
I
view
the
even
I
view
the
water
line
as
a
public
utility
or
sewer
line.
I
should
say,
as
a
public
utility,
whether
it's
on
someone's
property
line
or
not,
we
need
everyone
to
have
access
to
sewer
and
we
should
ensure
that
no
one
is
forced
out
of
their
home
or
forced
to
live
in
unsanitary
or
safe
conditions
or
forced.
C
You
know
out
of
evanston,
because
they
can't
afford
exorbitant
fees
related
to
a
a
a
a
faulty
sewer
line
past.
You
know
past
the
property
line,
and
so
I
I'm
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
and
hoping
this
will
move
forward
at
council.
I
I
certainly
want
to
examine,
I
think,
for
folks
who
are
living
in
zones
where
miss
allen
is
living.
I
think
you
know
I
would
love
to
explore.
C
You
know
those
folks
kind
of
opting
into
a
almost
like
an
insurance
payment
where
they'd
make
some
kind
of
payment
to
to
help
cover
the
cost
above
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
something
that
we
can
have
staff
examine,
but
but
separate
of
that
I
am
happy
to
move
this
forward.
H
Other
piece
that
I
just
wouldn't
want
to
add
is
that
this
also
being
go
back
to
january
21st
from
the
time
miss
allen.
First
brought
this
to
the
attention
of
apw.
That
would
seem
really
sort
of
mean-spirited
if
we
started
this
after
she
brought
it
to
our
attention.
So
I
would
ask
that
this
also,
I
believe
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
first
in
january,.
C
Art,
yes,
I
if,
if
I
may,
both
of
you
interject
here
I
and
we
can
certainly
get
council
prices
opinion
on
this.
I
I
understand
you
know
miss
allen
and
other
folks.
C
The
situation
of
that
may
have
occurred
before
we
passed
this
and
before
we,
you
know,
allocate
some
funding
for
this
annually,
but
I
I
I
fear
that
if
we
do
something
retroactively,
that
it
maybe
does
open
us
up
to,
you
know
is
that
you
know
if
we
say
we're
gonna
go
back
a
year
or
two,
you
know
do
folks
who
you
know
right
outside
of
that,
the
three
years
you
know
they
had
a
sewer
line
failed
three
years
out.
C
H
Began
on
the
public
discussion
at
apw
that
that
makes
sense
to
draw
the
line
there.
I
also
just
want
to
say
this
is
this:
is
I
agree
with
council
member
reid?
This
is
very
much
a
question
of
equity.
I
very
much
support
the
idea
of
saying
for
anybody
who
earns
under
200
thousand
dollars
that
there
would
be
responsible
for
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
which
is
a
lot
and
the
city
would
pick
up
the
tab
after
that,
and
anybody
who
earns
over
that
would
be
responsible
for
the
full
tab.
H
There
are
many
cities,
it
should
be
noted
across
the
united
states
who
offer
financial
assistance
for
this
lateral
restoration
of
of
of
of
sewer
lines,
for
example,
des
plaines
does
madison
does
bartlett?
Does
let's
see
elk
grove
portland?
I
think
we
we
can
also
do
this.
I
think
it's
completely
and
again.
This
is
for
areas
public
areas,
parkways
easements
streets.
That's
what
we're
talking
about
we're
not
talking
about
private
property.
This
is,
I
think,
completely
reasonable
for
us
to
do
this.
H
N
F
N
The
general
due
process
law
is
that
when
it
comes
to
opening
the
city
of
evanston
checkbook
and
writing
those
checks,
you
have
a
lot
more
reasonable
discretion
to
make
those
legislative
choices
and
not
have
them.
Second
guessed.
So
we're
not
discriminating
here
on
the
basis
of
any
sort
of
protected
class.
N
In
terms
of
the
timing,
you
know
it's
more
or
less
going
to
be
what
heartburn
you
get
politically
from
people
who
are
just
outside
the
window,
but
that's
the
choice
you're
going
to
make
here
so
the
it
doesn't
give
me
any
pause
if
this
gets
amended
to
have
the
deadline
council,
member
kelly
has
suggested.
B
C
Yeah
we
can
tie
it
to
area
medium
or
or
or
I
think
we
could
tie
the
200
000
to
inflation
and
as
as
that
moves
forward,
it
would
automatically
move.
A
C
C
I
wonder
if
this
can
be
brought
back
to
the
next
apw
meeting.
I
think
we're
pretty
in
alignment
with
or
at
least
a
necessary
majority,
and
I
think
the
chair
for
bringing
this
forward
is
in
alignment
on
this,
and
so
I
would
love
to
with
those
amendments.
H
A
Is
there
any
dis,
it's
been
properly
moved
and
seconded
to
hold
this
item
until
the
next,
a
and
pw
committee
meeting,
which
I
believe
trumps,
the
previous
motions
which
we
have
not
yet
voted
on
sure
is
there
any
discussion
on
this
motion.
I
K
B
And
it's
a
revised
number
than
what
we
had
been
stated
previously,
because
the
scenario
has
changed
so
the
50
million
is
based
on
the
cost
exceeding
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
it
is.
It
was
calculated
on
all
the
sewer
services
in
evanston
that
are
deep
and
in
sandy
soil
and
on
state
highways
that
at
some
point
in
their
life
will
fail.
And
so
that's
why
the
that
dollar
figure
was
put
out.
We
don't
know
when
they
will
fail,
but
at
some
point
everything
fails.
A
And
so,
if
I
could
clarify
those
numbers
are
based
on
deep
busy
street
sandy
soil,
but
do
not
include
other
sewer
laterals
that
could
conceivably
be
very
expensive
because
they're
very
long
running
down
half
the
block
serving
multiple
neighbors,
etc
correct,
and
what
we
are
being
asked
to
approve
here
would
apply
to
that
scenario
as
well.
That
is
correct,
and
how
prevalent
is
you
know
is
that
that
is
that
situation
around
evanston.
A
A
And
I'm
concerned
about
that,
and
as
sympathetic
as
I
am
to
to
ms
allen,
who
has
this
extraordinary.
I
So
the
50
million-
we
don't
know
over
what
period
of
time
that
is
even.
M
B
Again,
just
looking
at
the
chart
that
was
provided
in
the
memo,
you
know
it
started
out
where
we'd
have
one
to
three
of
these
a
year
in
2020
we
had
five
in
2021
we
had
10..
I
I
think
that
varies
based
on
whether
or
not
you
have
a
drought.
B
You
know
if,
if
you
have
dry
weather
the
ground
moves
causes
problems
like
this,
so
it
it's
weather
dependent
and
it's
unknown.
But
every
year
the
sewer
services
get
another
year
older.
I
The
last
thing
is
is,
and
I
would
not
support
this
today-
I
wouldn't
need
this
to
come
back,
because
I
do
not
like
writing
this
type
of
policy
on
the
fly.
But
what
I'm
interested
in
is
like
a
category
where
someone
could
enter
into
a
loan
a
category
of
like
what
can
be
paid
back
to
the
city
and
then
also
what
is
a
grant?
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
just
because
it's
over
fifteen
thousand,
let's
say
it's
twenty
thousand
dollars.
We
cover
the
whole
cost.
For
that
amount,
five
thousand
dollars.
I
We
might
be
able
to
just
extend
the
loan
to
the
person
that
they
pay
back
right,
because
the
insurance
will
cover
up
to.
I
think
ten
thousand
and
they're
paying.
You
know
a
monthly
amount
of
a
monthly
amount
on
it,
but
you
know
for
forty
thousand
dollars.
Forty
five
thousand
dollars,
which
I
think
is
was
before
us.
It
makes
sense
for
a
large
portion
of
that
to
to
be
provided
in
a
grant,
but
there's
there's
a
window
in
here
for
me
where
I
think
it
should
be
extended
as
a
loan
and
not
not
a
grant.
I
I
think
we
should,
if
it's
twenty
thousand,
it's
five
thousand
dollars.
We
extend
a
five
thousand
dollar
loan.
You
could
pay
it
back
over
time,
and
so
that's
that's
where
I'm
at
right
now.
So
I
would
like
to
to
do
some
research.
You
know
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
do
some
research
on
how
we
can
have
a
grant
program
for
a
certain
amount,
but
also
a
a
loan
program,
no
interest
that
people
would
pay
back
over
time.
C
Councilman
reid,
yeah
yeah,
it
goes
last.
I
guess
I
had
questions
based
on
what
you
you
were
asking,
and
so
you
were
just
speaking
about
laterals
on
the
public
side
or
what
was
the
exposure
that
you're
talking
about
with
with
direct
with
manager
stoneback
there.
A
Are
a
number
of
houses
throughout
town
mine
included
that
have
laterals
that
don't
go
straight
from
the
house
to
the
street?
They
might
house
to
your
neighbor's
house,
in
my
case
three
neighbors
feed
out
into
a
lateral
to
a
sewer
line
in
the
alley
that
line
connects
to
the
city's
line
in
the
street.
A
If
anything
happens
in
the
alley,
it's
up
to
me
and
my
neighbors
to
sort
it
out
and
and
who
knows
how
much
that
would
cost,
and
I
would
not
be
looking
forward
to
having
that
discussion
with
my
neighbors,
but
that's
not
a
unique
situation.
We
have.
You
know
base
because
evanston
has
been
around
for
100
years
and
we
didn't
have
quite
the
the
regulations
in
place
when
construction
first
started
a
century
or
more
ago.
A
You
know
we
have
an
unknown
liability
with
with
sewer
services
in
unknown
locations
and
director
stoneback.
You
can
kind
of
stick
to
this.
You.
B
Might
have
remembered
council,
member
rainey
and
matt
fleming
and
the
resident
whose
sewer
service
came
out
to
the
parkway
and
then
ran
under
the
parkway
for
a
long
distance,
and
we
were
encouraged
to
pay
for
that
and
this
wasn't
in
place
at
that
time.
There's
another
house
in
council
member
revels
ward
where
they
live
on
sheridan
road.
There
is
no
sewer
right
in
front
of
their
house
on
sheridan
road,
so
it
comes
out
to
the
parkway
on
sheridan
road
and
go
south
down
to
isabella
street.
B
C
How
is
how
is
that
different
than
what
we're
talking
about
here
I
mean
it
seems
like,
even
in
your
situation
that
you
you
mentioned
that
you
know,
especially
if
one
of
those
homeowners
made
less
than
you
know.
Collectively
their
household
made
less
than
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
They
would
be
eligible
to
get
their
portion
covered.
Anyone
who
didn't
so
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
this
adds
any
additional
exposure.
Can
you
explain
how
this
may,
how
the
scenario
that
council
member
newsom
is
bringing
up
adds
additional
exposure.
A
B
The
very
long
sewer
services
that,
if
you
have
to
I
believe,
miss
allen's
repair,
was
20
feet
or
less.
If
we
have
to
repair
something,
that's
more
along
the
line
of
50
feet,
that
cost
can
get
up
and
exceed
to
25
000.
So
it's
adding
a
different
type
of
condition.
The
length
of
the
sewer
service
are
is
another
condition
in
which
the
city
could
be
held
responsible
for
cost
over
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
If
this
resolution.
C
And
so,
if
I
have
one
of
these
long
laterals
that
stretches
out
into
an
alley
or
I'm
sorry
did
I
hear
that
correctly
that
some
of
these
that
you
mentioned,
such
as
in
council
member
revels
ward
stretch
out
into
an
alley
and
there's
no
other
houses
around
and
so
would
wouldn't
the
city
normally
be
on
the
hook
for
the
portion,
that's
not
on
the
property.
C
Okay
yeah,
so
then
I
guess
I
would
love
to
see
numbers
that
include
those
expenses
as
well,
and
an
estimate
and.
B
Costs
do
we
know
our
challenge
is
that
we
don't
know
the
city
doesn't
know
where
they
are
because
they
are
not
city
infrastructure.
So
we
don't.
I
know
some
in
which
we've
had
issues
over
the
past
couple
years.
I
don't
know
all
of
them
throughout
the
city,
so
I
I
would
be
unable
to
come
up
with
a
cost.
I
Do
we
know
how
much
it
typically
costs
to
for
one,
though,
to
replace
one
of
those
longer
lines,
all
right.
C
Getting
an
estimate
of
if
it
is
a
you
know,
I
think
you
I
heard
you
say
20
or
30
foot
line
and
it's
in
an
area
where
there
we
have
normal
conditions.
Would
that
equate
to
a
15,
000
plus
bill?
And
I
guess
I'm
fine
supporting
anyone.
C
Pay
more
than
15
000
for
any
water
line
issue.
I'm
sorry
sewer
line
issue.
You
know,
regardless
of
if
it's
because
it's
extremely
deep
or
it's
because
it's
a
long
line
so.
B
I,
it
would
be
my
intention
that
it
was
only
if
the
property
was
experiencing
a
sewer
backup,
because
if,
if
you
go
in
your
and
you
close
circuit-
and
this
didn't
happen
for
miss
allen's
but
there's
other
situations
where
property
is
going
in,
they
closer
tv
either
sewer
service,
then
it's
possible
to
put
a
sewer
liner
in
through
your
sewer
service
and
then
that
causes
less
expensive
than
excavating.
B
So
somebody,
you
know
if
we
pass
this
they're
going
to
say:
well,
I'm
not
going
to
put
the
sewer
liner
because
I'm
that
that
would
be
all
mine
and
it
you
know
saved
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
Do
we
I
I
need
a
whole
lot
more
clarification
in
miss
allen's
situation.
Sewage
was
backing
up
into
her
basement.
She
didn't
have
sewer
service
at
all.
So,
in
my
opinion,
that's
was
is
one
the
city
would
get
involved,
not
if
somebody
just
wants
to
make
repair
yeah,
as
miss
allen
indicated.
B
I
didn't
know
the
numbers
on
the
sewer
repairs
until
once
we
start
moving
along
this
path.
I
had
to
sit
there
and
go
through
all
the
permits
and
try
to
figure
this
out,
and
there
were
other
situations
where
homeowners
they
put
in
overhead
sewers
and
it
was
over
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
I
did
not
include
that
in
these
costs,
but
that's
what
my
challenge
is
that
we're
going
to
have
homeowners
and-
and
I
thank
you
for
the
200
000
income,
but
I
believe
that's
a
lot
of
people
in
evanston
make
less
than
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
B
C
Want
that
in
the
resolution-
and
you
know
to
not
I'd
love
to
hear
what
your
you
know-
your
thoughts
are
in
reflecting
the
resolution
rather
than
having
it
happen
at
a
later
point.
So
I-
and
I
think
that
makes
perfect
sense
that
it's
in
these
emergency
situations
that
we
would
provide
this
so
I'd
also
just
love
to
see
that
reflected
in
the
resolution.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
kelly.
I
see
your
light
is
on.
I
would
like
to
take
the
floor
here
for
a
few
minutes
and
first
I
have
a
question
for
manager
stoneback,
regarding
what
common
practice
is
in
other
cities
and
you've
cited
a
study
from
2014
or
a
a
survey
that
indicated
23
of
23
municipalities
did
not
offer
any.
B
No
in
that
survey,
I
think
there
were
two
municipalities
that
offered
some
assistance
with
your
question:
wasn't
that
was
who
was
responsible
for
it.
So
I
concur
with
council
member
kelly
and
I
forget
what
communities
were
one
pays
for.
The
street
restoration,
which
you
know
is,
is
a
relatively
low
cost,
and
then
I
forget
what
the
other
one
was.
Maybe
you
know
several
thousand
three
thousand
dollars
or
something
like
that.
B
So,
though,
in
the
northwest
municipal
conference
surveys,
there
was
two
municipalities
that
indicate
they
offered
some
financial
system
at
a
low
amount
and
that,
but
in
all
the
communities,
the
homeowner
is
responsible
from
the
house
to
the
connection
to
the
mainline
sewer.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
will
just
you
know,
share
my
position
here
as
as
much
as
I'm
sympathetic
to
ms
allen.
You
know
it
really.
I
would
hate
to
be
in
her
shoes
with
with
that
high
of
a
sewer
bill
kind
of
unanticipated
and
been
in
this
situation
with
myself
in
my
own
house,
with
a
much
lower
dollar
amount.
A
A
We
don't
have
a
map
of
private
sewer
laterals
in
town,
so
we
don't
know,
and
it's
not
knowable.
You
know
what
the
what
the
the
price
tag
could
be
on
this,
and
so
you
know
it
is
common
practice
that
homeowners
incur
the
expense
and
bear
the
responsibility
for
sewer
laterals,
and
I
am
not
going
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
resolution.
At
least
I,
if
we
were
going
to
vote
tonight,
I
would
vote
no.
You
know
we'll
see
how
this
evolves,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
be.
A
You
know
cognizant
of
imposing
unknown
millions
of
dollars
of
expense
on
evanston
residents,
whether
that's
on
our
tax
bill
or
whether
that's
through
our
water
and
sewer
fees,
and
yet
we
do
need
to
use
a
big
chunk
of
that
water
fee
for
lead
service
line
replacement.
A
So
I
just
think
it's
not
financially
prudent
to
offer
this
assistance
as
sympathetic
as
I
am
to
ms
allen,
so
that
that's
my
position
on
it
we're
still
holding
on
we're
still
holding
on
the
the
resolution
or
the
motion
to
hold
this
until
our
next
meeting.
Ms
allen,
would
you
like
to
say
a
few
words
and
that
it
councilman
kelly?
If
that's,
if
that's
all
right,
okay,
then,
let's,
let's
wrap
this
up,
we
need
to
it's
going.
E
To
get
held
so,
let's
there's
a
couple
things:
let's
close
this
out.
E
If
you're
looking
at
the
cost
that
the
city
will
bear
and
talking
about
a
50
million
dollar
liability,
if
you
look
at
the
numbers
that
director
stoneback
presented
in
his
in
in
the
most
recent
agenda
and
they're
from
2016
to
2021,
there
were
23
instances
where
sewer
repairs
were
over
15
000
and
the
amount
in
excess
of
those
23
repairs.
Equaled
152,
almost
153
000.
E
So
if
you
divide
that
by
the
23
the
six
years
each
year,
that's
25
000
a
year
you're
looking
at
you're,
not
looking
at
millions
of
dollars
at
any
given
time.
Yes,
it's
true.
The
sewers
are
old
and
they're
going
to
break
everything.
Does
but
they're
not
going
to
break
all
all
1700
at-risk
sewers
at
one
time.
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that's
going
to
be
a
one-off.
Just
like
mine
is.
I
had,
I
don't
think
anybody
knows
anybody
who
paid
45
000
to
fix
a
sewer
under
golf
road.
I
mean
think
about
it.
E
If
you
woke
up
to
that
and
the
the
idea
of
it
backing
up
into
your
house
is
yes
very
important,
but
mine
not
only
backed
up
into
my
house.
I
had
feces
on
my
lawn
for
three
plus
months
before
this
could
be
fixed.
E
So
there's
a
lot
more
to
this
than
just
you
know,
adjust
the
amount
that's
coming
out
of
the
sewer
budget,
and
we
can
push
this
out
another
couple
weeks
if
you
want
to,
but
I
think
we've
we've
we've
talked
about
this
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
we've
talked
about
insurance,
most
people
don't
have
sewer
insurance
and
if
they
do
it'll
only
pay
for
about
eight
or
ten
thousand
dollars.
E
A
M
A
Councilmember
kelly,
your
lightest
on
consumer
read
your
light
is
on
looking
at
the
time
and
it
looks
like
this
is
going
to
be
held
for
some
future
discussion.
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
wrap
this
up
fairly
quickly,
so
councilmember
kelly.
H
Okay,
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
many
of
the
cities
that
do
this.
It's
a
strict,
like
percentage
that
oftentimes
gets
picked
up
by
the
city.
I
think
we're
developing
a
really
nicely
tailored
proposal
for
evanston,
where
it's
you
know,
equity,
where
it's
you
know
looking
at
more
through
a
lines
of
equity,
so
that
it's
anybody
who
earns
under
200
000
still
has
to
pay
up
to
fifteen
000,
but
after
that
the
city
picks
up.
I
think
this
is
a
nice
arrangement
for
evanston.
H
I
also
want
to
say
currently
it
is
true
that
insurance
does
not
pay
for
this.
Those
laterals
are
not
is
highly
unusual
that
people
have
insurance.
That
would
cover
that.
I
think
we
can
always
come
back
to
this
in
a
couple
years
and
hope
that
their
insurance
policies
change
and
that
there's
a
you,
know
a
movement
to
have
this
included,
in
which
case
we
could
either
remove
it
altogether
or
modify
it,
but
I
think
currently
this
is
absolutely
the
right
thing
to
do
we're
here
for
our
residents,
so
I
think
we
should
move
forward.
H
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
we're
going
to
be
holding
it
so
that
we
can
include
that
amended
language
that
council
member
reed
said
regarding
the
200
000
as
well
as
the
date
of
january.
It
was
january
of
2021,
you
know
to
when
we
first
began
discussing
this
and
then
also
director
stonebeck,
the
emer.
It
would
be
under
emergency
circumstances.
I
think
that's!
Those
are
the.
C
What
we'd
like
to
see
as
well
as
councilmember
burns,
would
like
to
explore
the
a
potential
loan
option
as
well.
I
I
A
Manager
stoneback
also
mentioned
indexing
the
200
000
salary
level
to
inflation.
I
would
also
add
indexing
the
the
cost
of
the
sewer
repair
to
inflation
as
well.
Oh
yeah.
L
C
Just
wanted
to
highlight
again
why
I
think
this
is
important
for
the
city
as
miss
allen,
just
illustrated
there.
You
know
if
this
isn't
taken
care
of
and
if
we
have
someone
in
our
city
who
can't
afford
to
take
care
of
this.
That
means
that
there
is,
it
becomes
a
public
health
concern.
I
don't
know
if
our
public
health
director
is
here.
C
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
public
health
director
to
know
that,
having
you
know,
feces,
on
your
lawn
and
and
in
your
your
basement
is
a
public
health
emergency
both
for
the
people
who
live
in
the
house
and
for
the
general
community.
So
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
that's
why
this
is
so
critically
important
that
the
city,
you
know,
put
our
put
our
put
our
hands
in
this
and
get
get
a
little
dirty
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
right
for
everybody.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
there's
been
no
further
discussion.
The
motion
to
hold
is
now
up
for
a
vote
and
I
will
ask
manager
stoneback
to
call
a
roll.
A
By
a
three
to
one
vote,
item
a18
is
tabled
for
some
additional
work
and
will
come
back
to
us
at
our
next
meeting,
which
brings
us
to
item
a19,
councilmember
reed.
If
you'd
like
to
do
the
honors.
C
Yes,
I
will
move
resolution
or
I'll
move
item:
a19
ordnance,
82022,
revising
chapter
21,
green
building,
ordinance
of
the
of
city
code,
title
iv,
building
regulations;
second,.
A
A
Anybody
I
will
like
to
weigh
in
here
and
just
acknowledge
chara
pratt
for
the
work
she's
done
here,
we'll
be
we're
ahead
of
schedule
right,
you're,.
A
And
and
angel
schnoor
for
for
doing
the
work
as
well.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
both
we're
ahead
of
schedule.
This
was
on
our
action
plan
for
november
and
so
we're
several
months
ahead
on
this
one
and
I'll
also
acknowledge
the
help
from
community
experts,
joel
freeman,
leonard
ciara.
A
You
also
ran
this
by
the
by
the
utilities
commission,
so
we
have
the
the
evanston
brain
trust
has
weighed
in
here
and
and
I'm
happy
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
I
will
acknowledge
mr
vasilco,
you
know
does
have
a
point
that
smaller
buildings
are
not
included
in
this
ordinance.
I
think
we
acknowledge
that
we
knew
that
from
the
beginning
and
the
intent
with
passing
a19
tonight
is
not
to
forget
about
the
smaller
residences
and
existing
buildings,
but
yeah.
A
I
think
we
agree
that
those
need
to
receive
some
attention
in
the
future,
so
councilmember
reed.
C
Yes,
for
angel
or
cara,
whoever
is
most
prepared
to
answer
this.
Why?
Why
aren't
we,
including
the
smaller
buildings.
F
J
Hi
good
evening,
council
member,
our
chair,
newsman
committee
angel
schneider
building
and
inspection
services
manager,
and
we
proposed
eliminating
the
use
of
the
measures
for
the
smaller
projects
just
for
the
cost
prohibitiveness
of
it
right
now
and
we
are
looking
at
different
alternatives
and
the
use
of
igcc
is
a
low-cost
alternative
for
those
smaller
projects.
So
we
tried
to
look
at
it
as
a
holistic
approach
versus
just
making.
Everybody
follow
one
thing:
okay,.
A
Okay,
any
further
discussion
on
item
a19,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
say
hi
hi
aye
any
opposed
by
a
unanimous
vote
item
a19
is
passed
which
brings
us
to
item
a
20..
Don't
remember.
C
A
And
seconded
by
council
member
burns,
it's
been
properly
moved
by
council
member
reed
seconded
by
council
member
burns.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
item
a20?
Customer
readiness
is
your
light
from.
C
Last
time,
or
is
this:
oh
okay,
go
forward
yeah!
I
I
just
well
I'll
let
the
chair
thank
staff
and
folks,
but
thank
you
and
I'll.
Let
the
chair
specifically
think
folks,
but
I
I
personally
want
to
thank
you,
know,
cge
and
residents.
My
ward
had
a
really
good
conversation
with
judy
pollock
this
weekend.
C
Regarding
this,
I
I
am
in
full
support
here
of
the
bird
friendly
building
design.
I
have
a
quick
question
for
angel
again
with
property
standards
and
I
live
in
an
apartment
building
and
it's
a
you
know,
multi-story
apartment
building
and
we
have
dryer
vents
that
are
on
the
facade.
C
In
fact,
I
have
some
pictures
that
I
can
maybe
send
you
or
show
you
later,
and
these
dryer
vents
do
not
have
like
a
mesh
covering
over
them
and
so
in
spring
birds
go
into
the
dryer
vents
they
and
then,
a
few
weeks
later,
you
walk
out
onto
the
sidewalk
and
there's
just
all
along
where
the
dryer
vents
are
little
baby
birds
who
have
fallen
out
of
the
nest
and
out
of
the
the
dryer
vents
does
our
building
hold
code
require
that
there
is
like
a
mesh
wiring.
C
J
C
Yeah
and
if,
if
if
they
do
not
require
a
wire
mesh
or
something
I'd,
love
to
see
that
this
is
an
ordinance
way
of
time,
but
I'd
love
to
see
that
reflected
somewhere,
so
they're,
you
know
we're
we're
encouraging
the
birds
to
go
somewhere
safer.
I.
J
C
For
sure
you
have
to
have
the
small
yeah
yeah,
yes,
okay
and
then
separate
of
that.
I
I
fully
support
this.
I
know
that
folks,
particularly
folks,
like
leslie,
shad
and
cg,
or
are
I'm
sorry.
The
group
in
evanston
isn't
cg.
They
are.
C
Bird
friendly
evanston
has,
you
know,
really
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
that
illustrates
separate
of
this
issue:
the
importance
of
dapper
and
having
a
public
meeting
with
dapper,
because
it's
been
a
great
opportunity
for
many
developers
to
voluntarily
opt
into
creating
more
bird-friendly
design,
with
some
of
our
larger
buildings
and
throughout
the
city,
but
particularly
in
our
downtown.
So
thank
you
to
the
advocates.
Thank
you
to
staff
for
bringing
this
forward.
C
F
O
You
no,
they
did
not
go
to
the
referrals
committee.
I
mean
they
were
really
in
the
works
before
with
the
old
previous
council.
So
it's
hard
to
hard
to
say
that
they
needed
to
go
to
the
referrals
committee.
A
All
right,
yes,
so
councilman
reed
already
thanked
leslie
shad
libby
hill,
judy
pollock.
Thank
you
to
all
our
bird-friendly
evanston
friends
since
we're
getting
late.
Let's
call
the
vote
on
this
one
all
in
favor
call
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
item.
A20
carries
unanimously.
C
Yes,
I
move
discussion
of
item
d1
discussion
of
city.
Observance
of
juneteenth
is
a
paid
city
holiday.
A
And
seconded
by
second,
it's
been
moved
by
council
member
reed
and
seconded
by
council
member
burns
to
discuss
juneteenth
as
a
paid
city
holiday,
councilman,
reid,.
C
Yeah,
I
forget
exactly
where
this
comes
from,
but
I
certainly
know
that
I
reached
out
to
former
city
manager
kelly
gandursky
about
this.
I
did
notice
that
on
monday
juneteenth
I
think
that
was
celebrated
on
monday
or
the
holiday
fell
on
a
monday.
C
We
city
staff
did
not
have
that
that
day
off,
while
you
know
folks
all
across
our
state-
and
at
this
point
our
nation
now,
because
president
biden
has
made
juneteenth
of
federal
holiday
had
the
day
off,
and
so
I
certainly
think
the
city
of
evanston
should
as
well.
So
I'm
a
hundred
percent
in
support
of
this,
and
I'm
I'm
assuming
our
manager,
luke
stowe,
is
in
support
of
this
as
well
and
he's
indicating
yes,
he
is
with
a
head
nod.
So
this
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
A
Any
other
comment,
so
we
would
need
to
clarify
I'm
in
support
as
well,
but
we
would
need
to
clarify
if
june
19th
falls
on
a
weekend.
What
would
we
do
in
that
case,
yeah.
C
J
C
B
Well,
that's
not
the
case
for
like
the
state
of
illinois,
because
you
don't
you
get
paid
only
if
it's
monday,
through
friday,
you
don't
get
paid
on
the
weekend,
so
some
states
do
observe
the.
If
it
falls
on
a
saturday
you
get
friday
off,
it
falls
on
a
sunday.
You
get
monday
off
the
state
of
illinois
itself.
To
my
knowledge
does
not
do
that
they
if
it
falls
on
a
saturday
or
sunday,
you
don't
get
friday
or
monday
off.
C
So
juneteenth,
just
looking
at
my
calendar,
this
year
fell
on
a
sunday,
and
so
my
recollection
is
because
it
fell
on
that
sunday.
Everyone
recognized
the
holiday
or
the
day
off
on
on
on
monday,
the
20th,
and
that
was
my
recollection,
and
so
that's
and
I
think
that's
even
why
we're
having
this
discussion
now
is
because
we're
one
of
the
few
local
institutions
that
I
know
of
that
did
not
have
that
monday
june
20th
off.
A
Anybody
else
want
to
weigh
in.
I
think,
if
not
the
feedback
that
we're
giving
is
that
we
do
want
to
recognize
the
holiday,
and
if
it
falls
on
a
weekend,
the
city
of
its
employees
would
get
the
monday
off
correct
right
understanding
that
there
would
be
some.
You
know,
side
effects
with
summer
camps,
and
you
know
some
impacts
on
families
who
would
you
know
be
forced
to
find
alternative
arrangements
for
child
care?
A
Okay,
interim
city
manager,
sto.
Do
you
have
the
feedback?
Do
you
need
on
this
one?
Okay,
great?
That
brings
us
to
items
for
communication.
Are
there
any
items
for
communication,
seeing.
C
I
just
have
one
question
chair.
I
believe
at
our
next
meeting
is
the
street
the
trucks
prohibited
item
coming
to
our
next
meeting
for
the
eighth
ward,
prohibiting
trucks
on
certain
streets
within
eighth
ward?
I'm
not
familiar
with
that
one!
That's
near
cluster
wholesale.