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A
Okay,
I
call
the
meeting
to
order
now
and
we'll
get
the
meeting
under.
B
Way
and
the
motion
for
the
first
30
minutes.
C
Mr
chair,
this
is
councilmember
newsma
I'll
move
item,
a
m1
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
and
pw
committee
meeting
of
february
28
2022..
Second,.
A
Starting
about
a
motion
made
by
conference
master
by
councilman,
I
have
a
voice
for.
B
D
B
Okay,
we
can
turn
it
over
to
mike
now.
B
Thank
you
bear
with
me
if
I
run
a
little
over,
so
I
have
a
few
things
to
mention.
I'm
questioning.
B
B
The
drexel
partners
lobbyist
services,
if
you
look
at
their
proposal,
they
seem
to
have
a
associate
working
with
them.
That's
the
mbewp
company
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
are
they
the
like
crown
like
the
robert
kraus
center,
where
they
hired
a
consultant
just
to
meet
the
meet?
B
The
percentage
requirement
is
that
is
that
what's
happening
here,
because
they
don't
explain
the
relationship
between
the
two
companies
and
the
director
proposal
actually
only
has
like
three
references,
two
of
which
are
some
small,
not
for
profits
and
one
only
one
is
a
government
agency.
So
I'm
kind
of
curious
why
that
stood
up
to
scrutiny
when
that
was
being
reviewed.
So
those
two
questions
about
that.
B
I
also
object
to
item
d1,
which
is
the
resuming
of
water
shutoffs
as
a
result
of
non-payment.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
evanston
who
can
pay
their
water
bills,
of
course,
but
then
there
are
some
who
can't.
I
understand,
there's
a
whole
list
of
what
you
can
do
if
you
can't
afford
to
pay,
but
it's
still
something.
That's
really
sends
a
bad
message
and
especially
to
those
who
are
in
need
of
help.
B
You
know
if
you
look
at
what's
going
on
in
russia
right
now:
that's
what
they're
doing
to
your
crane
they're,
shutting
off
water
and
other
utilities.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
do
that.
B
I
also
question
the
the
expenses
there's
a
whole
on
on
the
credit
card
bill
and
the
credit
card
bill.
There's.
B
B
B
There's
also
another
fourteen
or
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
security
guards
at
the
mountain
at
the
morton
civic
center?
Why?
Why
is
that?
I
mean.
B
A
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
That
was
all
very
thoughtful
comments,
so
I
appreciate
it.
Okay,
did
you
continue
with
the
meeting?
I'm
sorry
if
anyone
else
signed
it
for
public
comment
or
is
anyone
else
wishing
to
give
public.
F
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question,
please
sure
when
we
had
our
last
public
works
meeting
about
two
meetings
ago
in
february
february
14th,
it
was
discussed
that
the
there
will
be
some
discussion
again
about
the
resolution
to
extraordinary
sewer
bills,
and
you
all
know
my
story,
I'm
not
gonna,
repeat
it,
and
then
I
found
out
that
it
wasn't
on
the
agenda
for
tonight,
because
they're,
looking
at
some
state
and
city
statutes
to
determine
whether
that's
legal
or
not-
and
I
wanted
to
know
what
you
know
specifically
state
and
city
statutes,
and
if
I
could,
please
have
a
contact
to
speak
with
the
attorneys
to
find
out
more
about
this.
A
Thank
you.
We
will
actually
bring
that
up
during
items
for
discussion,
we'll
so
I'll.
Ask
if
our
corporation
council,
nick
cummings
or
michelle
or
anyone
from
the
office
can
provide
a
quick
update
on
that
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
We'll
do
that.
F
Yeah
and
then
the
email
I
got
explaining
that
it
might
be
that
you
know
public
funds
cannot
be
used
for
private
citizens.
I
you
know,
but
when
I
look
back
in
a
lot
of
the
meeting
minutes,
there
were
indications
when
private
funds,
you
know
when
public
funds
are
approved,
for
public
use,
public
for
private
use,
for
example,
helping
people
who
you
know
not
calling
in
their
loans
on
water
mains
that
needed
to
be
repaired
or
relined
or
whatever
for
the
for
the
lead
update.
F
A
Okay
is
that
are
those
all
your
questions,
yeah,
that's
it
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay!
Is
there
anyone
else.
Is
there
anyone
else
desiring
to
give
public
comment.
A
D
A
Okay,
great,
then,
let
us
move
on
with
the
meeting
and
move
to
item
a1
approval
of
the
city
of
evanston
payroll
bills
with
and
credit
card
activity
for
the
period
of
february
14th
through
february
27th.
A
Yes,
the
the
yep,
sorry
in
the
dollar
amount
of
two
on
the
dollar
amount
of
two
million
six
hundred
and
ninety
two
thousand
three
hundred
and
twelve
dollars
and
forty
eight
cents
and
from
bill's
list
for
march
15
2020
in
the
amount
of
3
million
460
950
to
58.11
and
the
credit
card
activity
ending
in
january
27th
in
the
amount
of
181
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
two
dollars
and
nineteen
cents.
A
D
A
Thank
you
moving
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is
approval
of
the
harris
amazon
credit
productivity
for
the
period
ending
january
26
2022
in
the
amount
of
11
459.84.
C
A
Move
it
comes
from
the
birth
rate
segment
that
comes
from
brunusma
all
things
in
favor,
aye.
A
A
Oh
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
but
let's
not
believe
so,
but
we
can
do
the
roll
call.
E
Thank
you,
councilmember.
D
A
Yes,
my
apologies.
Can
I
have
someone
move
the
rest
of
the
consent
agenda.
C
Mr
chair,
I
will
move
the
remaining
items
on
the
consent
agenda
with
the
with
the
consent
of
my
colleagues
who,
unless
they
want
to
remove
something
I'll
move
I'll
move
item
a
three,
a
four,
a
five,
a
six
and
a
seven.
C
A
I
C
A
Thank
you,
okay,
moved
by
our
problem,
renews
my
segment.com
number
bracelet
we'll
do
a
roll
call
for
this
as
well.
A
Great
that
brings
us
back
to
item
a
three
may
have
a
motion.
C
G
A
By
council
member
numerous
talking
about
confidential
birth
weight,
is
there
any
discussion?
Yeah.
G
G
G
H
G
G
So
let's
move
it
along
the
council
and
then
we
gives
us
enough
time
to
hunt
down
their
information.
Councilmember.
D
Braithwaite,
the
the
cook
county
certification
for
the
minority
firm
is
on
page
61
and
175
with
the
apw
packet,
and
it
indicates
that
the
carson's
group
address
is
11
east
albert
chicago,
carson.
G
G
I
A
Yes,
this
is
item
a4.
I
believe.
I
Yeah,
so
I
have
a
question:
just
we
just
the
city
hired
just
hired
a
new,
a
policy
coordinator,
so
I
wonder
if
we
can
get
some.
It
sounds
like
some
of
the
description
here
certainly
overlaps
with
that
position.
So
I
guess
I
would
like.
Is
there
someone
here
from
staff
to
address
this
policy
position?
That
was
going
to
be
my.
A
I
Yes
right
so
I
just
think
would
be
nice
if
we
could
see,
because
it
definitely
some
of
the
description
in
here
overlaps
with
the
description
of
our
of
our
brand
new
policy
coordinator
position
with
the
city.
So
I
think
that
should
be
hope
that
someone
could
deliberate.
A
G
Some
of
the
two
questions
city
managers
from
the
committee-
the
one
was
just
seeking
confirmation
from
the
carson
group
when
I
pulled
them
up.
It
pointed
to
an
address
in
nebraska,
so
I
just
wasn't
able
to
conf.
I
was
just
curious
to
see
who
they
are
for
future
projects
since
they
checked
the
diversity
box
and
then
council
members
kelly's
question
was
for
the
role
that
we're
hiring
to
get
just
a
little
bit
understanding,
and
is
there
a
duplication
of
services
between
the
mayor's,
like
her
name
is
allison
in
her
role
as
policy
coordinator.
J
Right
so
good
evening,
members
of
city
council,
my
name,
is
kelly:
gandersky
interim
city
manager.
The
role
that
allison
has
is
legislative
policy
coordinator,
really
does
research
and
provides
information
about
policy
impact,
considering
pertaining
to
legislative
initiatives
or
changes
in
governmental
policy
and
how
that
impacts.
J
As
you
know,
there's
been
many
changes
over
the
last
two
years
and
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
infrastructure
grants,
grants
pertaining
to
health
and
human
services,
all
kinds
of
initiatives
and
potential
changes
in
illinois
law.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
let
councilmember
renu
smith
hop
in
with
a
question.
C
Thank
you
chair
in
my
capacity,
a
professional
capacity
in
business
unrelated
to
the
city.
I
have
worked
with
real
lobbyists
and
you
know,
can
attest
to
the
benefit
of
having
somebody
who
has
the
pulse
of.
What's
going
on
in
springfield.
Has
their
ear
to
the
ground?
Knows
the
people
knows
and
knows
the
players,
and
you
know
I
I
see
this
as
being
significantly
beneficial
to
the
city.
So
I'm
in
full
support
of
item
a3.
A
I
do
have
you
know.
I
have
a
similar
questions
to
both
councilmember
birthwaite
and
councilmember
kelly.
I
I
do
wonder
if
there
I
do
remember
reading
the
job
description
for
alison.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
being
able
to
kind
of
keep
track
of
legislation
downstate,
but
is
that
not
essentially
what
the
illinois
municipal
league
fills
some
of
that
role
for
us
to
track
legislation
downstate
and
keep
us
informed.
J
The
iml
certainly
does
perform
that
function.
They
do
it
for
a
wide
variety
of
members.
The
lobbyist
position
would
particularly
advocate
for
the
city
of
evanston.
G
D
I'm
sorry
council
member
burns,
aye
council,
member
reed,
no
councilmember
kelly.
I
A
Okay
and
the
motion
passes
so
to
move
on
to
council
next
on.
Our
list
was,
I
think,
item
a4
was
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda.
If
you
will.
C
B
H
I
Yeah,
so
I
would
guess
I
would
just
like
to
understand
the
value
of
I'm
sure.
I
know
that
safe
build,
I'm
sure,
does
a
great
job,
but
so
you
know
we're
talking
over
six
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
versus
potentially
hiring
someone.
I
know
when
I've
sort
of
followed
up
with
permits
where
there
were
issues
where
neighbors
or
residents
were
I'm
concerned
about
things.
For
example,
you
know
driveways
being
paved
where
there
was
a
lawn
and
we're
concerned
about
the
permit
process
or
fences
that
go
up
where
when
trees
were
cut
down.
I
I
But,
of
course
you
know
the
gentleman
I
spoke
with
he
would
have
no
way
of
knowing
they
said
safe,
built
because
he's
far
away
so
had
that
been
handled
here
in
house,
someone
could
have
verified
that
the
you
know
that
these
items
were
not
exact,
in
fact
replacing
existing
fences
or
driveways,
and
so
I
just
I'm
just
curious.
I
want
to
understand
it
seems
to
me:
would
we
have
a
greater
value
in
actually
hiring
somebody?
Rather
than
and
again
they
do?
You
know
he
he's
walked
me
through
exactly
what
he
does.
I
He
cross
check
cross
checks,
the
applicant
against
our
code,
and
you
know-
and
he
says
yeah
this
meets
code
but
in
fact
can't
verify
all
the
information.
So
I
would
just
like
to
understand
the
value
of
farming
this
out
to
an
office
somewhere
else
versus
hiring
some
hiring
an
additional
person
to
help
out
with
permits.
A
K
Angel
schneider
property
maintenance
supervisor
and
for
now
interim
building
inspection
services
manager.
To
answer
your
question
council,
member
kelly,
we
hire
safe
belt
to
do
our
plan
reviews
because
if
we
were
to
hire
a
full-time
plan,
reviewer
right
now
with
all
of
their
benefits,
it
would
be
well
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
K
I've
looked
at
a
couple
in
the
communities
in
there
they're
significantly
over
a
hundred
thousand.
In
addition
to
the
plan
review
process,
when
the
permit
is
submitted,
we
look
at
the
application
and,
yes,
I
agree
it
might
be
beneficial
to
have
somebody
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
it
prior
to,
but
we
also
catch
those
on
the
tail
end.
When
we
inspect,
we
review
those
plans
based
on
the
application
submitted
and
the
the
code
at
the
time.
So
it's
not
there's
no
pre-inspection
done.
I
I
It
just
seems
to
me
that
a
lot
is
getting
lost
here
because
of
it
being
outsourced
that
you
know
that
you
know
someone
like
mr
keys
at
safe,
build
is
a
is
giving
it
a
stamp
of
approval
based
on
our
code
and
pretty
much
it's
going
to
the
stack
as
approved
permits
without
scrutiny.
Without
the
scrutiny
these
need-
and
I
don't
know
I
mean-
is
that
an
issue
so
so
I'm.
I
I
guess
that
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
that
and
again
it's
not
the
work
that
they're
doing
at
safe
built,
but
in
fact,
because
they're
located
off-site,
you
know
sometimes
hours
away.
If
we're
we're
not
effectively
delivering
the
service
that
sometimes
there's
a
lot
of
errors
and
again
they
can't
help,
but
they
can't
be
here
on
site
to
see.
So
I
don't
is
there
a
way
that
that
can
be
improved.
K
It's
definitely
something
that
we
can
look
at
the
process,
whether
we
had
safe
bill
doing
the
plan
review
or
an
in-house
plan.
Reviewer,
though,
is
that
the
permit
application
would
come
in.
They
would
review
the
application
based
on
what
was
submitted
by
the
applicant,
and
they
would
review
the
codes
to
see
if
what
they
were
doing
was
code
compliant.
K
Any
changes
or
anything
that
wasn't
compliant
would
typically
be
caught
at
the
inspection
piece,
which
did
not
happen
in
this
particular
instance
that
you
were
talking
about.
An
inspection
was
never
called
for,
so
we
didn't
know
what
they
submitted
versus
what
was
on
site,
and
so
you
brought
it
to
our
attention.
A
You
are
you
satisfied,
okay,
seeing
no
further
questions,
we'll
do
a
voice
vote
on
this
one,
so
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
The
eyes
have
it
now.
Moving
on
to
item
a
seven,
yes,
okay
may
have
a
motion
vitamin
a
seven.
A
As
their
second
second,
I
just
you
know
I
I
may
actually
just
given
the
time,
discuss
this
with
audrey
separately
or
between
council.
So
I
will
move
this
forward,
but
I
did
have
a
few
questions
about
this.
So
it's
been
moved
and
seconded.
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
all
those
and
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
in
abstentions.
A
A
Seconded
by
someone
talking
about
councilmember
braithwaite,
are
there
any?
Is
there
a
presentation
on
this
or
is
anything
any
questions
on
this
all
right?
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
all.
E
A
All
those
opposed
any
abstentions,
none
of
the
motion
passes
unanimously
and
then
now
we
are
at
item
d1
discussion
of
resuming
water
shutoffs
as
a
result
of
non-payment.
L
A
Right,
mr
king.
L
Good
evening,
chair
reid
members
of
the
committee
daryl
king
water
production
bureau,
chief
public
works
agency
and
so
july,
27th
of
2020
moratorium
was
established
for
water
shutoffs
through
april
of
2021,
as
well
as
extending
payment
arrangements
up
to
24
months
and
extending
relief
from
penalties
as
a
result
of
late
payments,
and-
and
so
since
that
time,
we
still,
we
we're
still
not
disconnecting
water
service
due
to
non-payment.
L
L
We
bill
every
two
months,
so
we
bill
six
times
a
year
and
in
turn,
once
the
bills
go
out
roughly
a
month
later,
the
bills
are
due
or
payment
is
due
for
those
accounts
that
miss
that
that
due
date,
if
another
30
days
go
by
a
penalty
can
be
assessed
and
the
the
the
water
service
at
that
location
can
ultimately
be
shut
off,
and
so
shutoffs
occur
four
times
a
year
during
april
june,
august
and
october,
and
so,
for
instance,
if
you
have
water
used
in
july
in
january
and
february,
that
bill
goes
out
in
march
and
then
a
month
or
so
later,
it's
due
if
if
the
bill
is
not
paid
within
that
time
frame
a
past
due
notice
goes
out,
and
then
in,
for
instance,
in
in
may,
another
bill
goes
out
on
that
bill
is
a
message.
L
You
know
communicating
that
your
paths
due
what
the
amount
is
and
so
forth
from
that
time.
If
it's
not
paid
another
pass,
due
notice
goes
out,
and
so
by
the
time
we
would
get
to
the
april
shutoff
and
and
the
shutoffs
that
we're
we're
talking
about
right
now
that
january
february,
consumption
has
not
been
paid
as
well
as
any
months
prior
to
that
prior
to
any
shutoffs.
L
A
shutoff
notice
also
goes
out
following
the
two
prior
late
late
payment
notices,
and
so
you
get
two
notices:
a
shut
off
notice
and
then
a
week
before,
shutoffs
a
posting
at
the
property
happens
and
those
postings
usually
occur
at
commercial
buildings,
multi-family
buildings
or
if
it's
a
residential,
single-family
home,
where
the
service
address
and
the
billing
address
is
different,
which
means
it's
it's
probably
a
rental
property,
and
so
that
also
gets
posted
as
well,
and
so
throughout
the
course
of
the
year
on
average,
from
like
2015
to
2019,
we
averaged
about
374
accounts
that
were
actually
shut
off
on
average
between
that
time,
and
so
since
then
there
have
been
recent
consumer
payment,
shutoff
initiatives
to
provide
relief
from
shutoff
or
disconnection
events.
L
What
I
mentioned
the
moratorium
has
has
occurred.
Lywop,
the
low-income,
housing,
water
and
assistance
program
is
something
where
community
member
can
apply
to
that
if
they
meet
certain
income
requirements
and
the
city
in
turn
can
receive
a
check
from
ceta
or
payment
from
ceta
up
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars
to
cover
those
past
due
expenses,
as
well
as
the
city
has
established,
affordable
water
and
sewer
rates
in
an
effort
to
provide
relief
as
well,
and
so
in
the
memo.
L
Since
then,
those
numbers
have
changed,
and
now
it's
366
accounts
in
the
amount
of
405
thousand
dollars
and
and
some
some
change,
and
so
the
the
recommendation
moving
forward
is
to
resume
shutoffs
in
april
of
this
year
of
2022
and
and
what
we've
seen
80
percent.
Once
we
put
once,
we
send
out
a
shutoff
notice,
roughly
80
percent
of
those
accounts
come
in
and
and
pay
immediately.
L
So
we
recommend
that
we
resume
shutoffs
in
april
and
and
if
we
did
resume
shutoffs
in
april
because
of
the
number
of
accounts
that
currently
would
be.
Would
qualify
for
shutoff?
We
would
do
it
in
a
phased
approach.
L
In
april
we
would
shut
off
those
accounts
that
owe
a
thousand
dollars
or
more,
and
then
we
would
have
two
more
events
in
in
may
and
those
accounts
roughly
113
accounts
in
may
600
up
to
999
and
then
the
second
event
in
may
would
be
roughly
140
accounts
for
dollars
or
less.
That
would
hold
that
on
the
bill.
H
L
Of
any
accounts
that
oh
one
thousand
dollars
or
more
okay-
and
that
would
be-
let's
see,
113
accounts
and
then
the
second
round,
so
that
shutoff
would
occur
in
april
and
then
the
first
may
event
would
consist
of
600
up
to
999.
L
We
have
the
affordable
water
and
sewer
rates.
If,
if
an
account
is
on
that
rate,
the
water
wouldn't
be
shut
off,
if
an
account
qualifies
for
the
lywop
program,
we
would
automatically
put
that
account
on
the
affordable
water
and
sewer
rate,
and
those
accounts
wouldn't
be
shut
off
either,
and
so
that's
that's.
The
recommendation
coming
from
staff
regarding
water,
shutoffs
for
non-payment
and
I'll
I'll.
Take
any
of
your
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
A
So
I'm
certainly
not
excited
that
we
are
here
before
even
having
that
discussion
at
a
place
where
we're
discussing
shutting
off
water
to
residences
I
mean
I
did
a
quick
search,
and
I
think
even
the
the
romans
many
thousands
of
years
ago
were
able
to
provide
water
to
their
residents
without
charging
them
for
for
for
drinking
water,
and
certainly
I
think
it
makes
sense
that
we
charge,
but
I
think
there
are
alternative
ways
that
we
can
get
people
to
either
pay
the
bill
or
collect
on
the
bill
without
having
to
threaten
to
shut
off
water
to
people
and
and
I'm
so
I'm
happy
to
be
looking
at
you,
mr
king,
but
it's
just
you're
a
person
in
front
of
me
and
obviously
this
is
a
it's.
A
Not
your
decision
in
your
own,
but
it's
a
it's
a
a
larger
systemic
decision
and
organizational,
so
you
just
happen
to
be
the
person
who
found
it,
but
so
I
just
I
want
to
get
a
few
things
I
just
I
don't
have
a
bit
of
understanding
here.
So
there
are
366
entities
on
the
list
at
this
moment
that
are
eligible
for
shut
off,
right,
correct
and
then
of
that
366
roughly.
How
many
are
residential,
254.,
okay
and
then
of
those
254
residential
units.
A
How
many
of
those
are
you
know
qualify
for
the
affordable
water
or
sewer
rate.
L
I
don't
have
those
numbers,
those
would
be
situations
where
a
a
household
would
qualify
for
li-heap,
low-income
housing,
energy
assistance
program
through
ceta
and
they
would
have
to
qualify
for
la
heap.
They
show
us
evidence
of
that.
Just
a
letter
from
ceta
saying
that
they
qualify
and
then
we
automatically
would
put
them
on
the
affordable
rate.
L
H
L
I'm
sorry
I
misunderstood
so
right
now
we
have.
I
wrote
that
down
it's
roughly
17
accounts
right
now
or.
A
A
A
Clear
if
they're
on
the
affordable
rate
they're
not
on
the
show
okay,
so
these
are
okay.
So,
okay,
I
mean
knowing
that
there
are
only
17
people
in
the
city
on
that
affordable
water,
sewer
rate,
and
we
know
that
there
are
far
more
than
17
households
in
our
community
that
are
struggling.
It
seems
as
though
right
now
that
this
program
isn't
anywhere
near
operational
and
for
us
to
move
forward
with
shutting
off
water
at
a
point.
H
A
Let
director
manager
stoneback
jump
in
here
and
then
I'll
go
to
councilman
newsome,
but
I
do
want
to
end
here
with
you
know,
I
would
like
us
to
one
move
toward
two
things
which
is
not
shutting
off
water
to
residential
accounts.
A
A
If
we
adopt
landlord
licensing,
not
paying
your
water
bill
and
getting
your
residents
to
a
point
where
they
could
have
their
water
shut
off
sounds
like
a
pretty
good
reason
for
someone
to
either
have
their
license,
suspended
or
revoked,
and
I
think
we'll
get
apartments
to
to
to
pay
their
water
bill
through
that
and
as
far
as
for
residences,
we
from
my
understanding,
have
the
ability
to
place
a
lien
against
a
property
and
we
can
collect
whether
it's
you
know
five,
ten,
whatever
years
down
the
road,
when
someone
sells
their
house
or
transfers
ownership
ownership,
if
we
place
a
lien,
we'll
be
able
to
collect
that
water
bill
money.
A
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
explore
those
options
as
well.
As
you
know,
I
think
what
you've
shown
here
is.
What
is
effective
is
that
when
we
send
out
a
letter
that
says
hey
the
the
poop
is
hit
the
fan
and
you're
about
to
get
your
water
cut
off.
There's
something
really
bad
about
to
happen
here
to
you.
People
seem
to
pay
at
that
point.
A
So
what
if,
instead
of
singing
a
letter
that
says
hey
we're
going
to
shut
your
water
off,
hey
we're
going
to
file
a
lien
against
your
property,
for
whatever
your
undue
bill
is
and
see,
if
that
has
a
similar
effect
of
the
psychology
of
making
people
think
okay,
this
is
serious.
I
don't
want
to
lean
against
my
property
and
so
I'll
leave
it.
There.
D
A
Okay,
I
mean
interim
manager,
deputy
manager,
stone
back
and
then
councilman
newsman,
council,
member
braithwick.
D
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk.
I
agree
that
we
do
not
want
to
shut
water
off
to
the
community
members
that
cannot
afford
to
pay.
D
We
have
reached
out
numerous
ways
to
try
to
get
them
to
apply.
We
we
understand
through
ceta
that
there
is
approximately
600
in
evanston
that
apply
ceta
will
not
share
the
names
of
those
residents.
Cedar
will
not
send
those
residents
a
letter
saying
that
they
just
need
to
show
this
letter
and
they'll
be
qualified
in
evanston,
even
if
evanston
paid
for
the
mailing
of
those
letters
for
ceta.
D
So
we're
we're
struggling
to
find
a
way
to
communicate
with
the
community
members
that
would
qualify
and
and
we're
we're
thinking
that
if
we
say
we're
going
to
do
a
water
shut
off
and
they
call
us-
and
we
can
say
well,
do
you
have
a
lee
heap
letter,
we
can
put
you
on
the
affordable
rate,
we'll
won't
shut.
You
off,
we'll
assist
you
in
getting
sign
up
for
li
wap,
which
then
leewa
would
pay
off
their
pass
due
amount
that
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
to
here
plus.
D
We
also
feel
like
there
is
a
large
contingency
of
residents
that
can
afford
to
pay,
but
are
just
not
paying
because
they
understand
that
their
water
won't
be
shut
off,
and
that
is
common.
What
happens?
That's
based
on
our
experience
of
water
shutoffs
and
previously,
when
we
threaten
to
shut
off
all
of
a
sudden
everybody's
making
their
check.
So
that
was
our
reasoning
behind
it.
Threatening
them
with
a
lien
might
do
the
same
thing
as
the
water
shut
off.
So
thank
you
for
that
suggestion.
Thank
you.
A
And
if
pastor
councilman,
but
if
I
can
just
quickly
say
that
to
clarify
a
statement,
it's
a
fully
forward.
Fine
moving
forward
with
the
commercial
units
which
makes
up
about
you
know
a
third
of
the
list.
If
you
will
maybe
less
than
that,
and
so
a
fourth
of
the
list,
maybe-
and
so
I
think
that
makes
sense,
but
I
think
we
can
have
an
a
b
testing.
We
know
what
the
the
water
shutoff
looks
like.
Let's
see
what
a
lean
looks
like
comes
from
renee
smith,.
C
L
C
L
C
L
D
Okay,
but
we
would
also
encourage
them
to
sign
up
for
wah
wap
li
wap
and
then
through
that
their
past
due
amount
up
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars
would
be
paid
and
the
city
would
is
planning
to
waive
any
difference.
So
if
they
owed
sixteen
hundred
dollars,
we
got
fifteen
hundred
dollars
right,
we'll
waive
the
hundred
dollars
and
then
keep
them
on
the
affordable
rate
moving
forward.
So
again,.
C
Why
whop,
if
I
have
my
acronyms
correct
that
pays
for
up
to
fifteen
hundred
dollars,
one.
L
C
L
C
L
Tenants
would
probably
not
know
about
the
the
past
due
balance
until
we
physically
post
that
that
building
with
the
shutoff
notice
a
week
before
a
shutoff
event,
and
when
that
happens,
the
tenants
communicate
to
the
landlord,
hey
they're,
going
to
shut
the
water
off
and
but
typically
that's
when
they
get
pulled
into
the
loop.
If
they're
not
paying
the
bill
or
receiving
the
bill.
D
I
think
I'll
chirp
in
from
my
experience
on
very
rare
occasions
as
that
occurred,
and
if
we
do,
we
coordinate
with
property
standards
and
with
general
assistance
to
try
to
aid
as
much
as
we
can.
There
have
been
circumstances
where
the
tenants
have
actually
paid
the
bill
and
then
they're
able
to
deduct
that
amount
from
their
future
rent
as
well.
D
So
my
experiences
is
when
we
have
shutoffs
people
get
all
their
water
turned
back
on
generally
within
three
days,
and
the
ones
that
remain
off
are
the
ones
that
are
vacant
property
that
we're
unaware
of
that.
The
people
moved
out
of
so
there.
There
are
not
in
evanston
people
that
go
without
water
for
a
week,
because
they
haven't
paid
that
that's
not
what
typically
happens
in
evanston.
C
It
costs
a
lot
of
money
to
deliver
the
water
to
people
that
are
using
it,
and
so
it's
fair
to
expect
them
to
pay.
I
feel
like
we
have
adequate
support
for
folks
on
the
low
income
side,
although
it
seems
like
we
need
to
do
a
lot
more
to
promote
the
programs
that
are
that
are
available,
and
so
whether
it's
a
threat
of
account
shut
off
or
you
know
or
lean
on
the
property.
There
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
you
know
some
kind
of
incentive.
L
L
I
welcome
any
suggestions
from
this
council.
We
we've
tried
a
little
bit
of
everything
and
q,
including
when
we
go
post
the
property
we.
We
include
information
about
these
programs
in
the
newspaper
award
meetings,
social
media
on
water
bills.
We
we've
sent
out
quite
a
bit
and
so
any
suggestions
from
any
of
you.
We
welcome.
We
welcome.
A
If,
if
I
quickly
go
to
council
member
braithwaite
and
then
to
and
then
and
then
miss
kelly
as
well.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
king,
and
just
for
bringing
up
this
whole
issue
in
conversation
and
also
because
you're
at
my
ward
meeting
this
past
thursday
sharing
the
information
with
with
with
the
residents.
So
I
would
agree,
there's
probably
more
advocacy
that
we
can
do
on
this
front.
I
mean
just
this
conversational
and
I'm
sitting
here.
I
have
to
go
pay
my
water
bill,
so
I
understand
how
important
it
is
to
notify
people,
and
I
think,
if
anything
that
we
can
get
out
of
this
conversation
even
before
moving
the
moving.
G
G
A
Thank
you,
yeah.
I'm
going
to
quickly
go
to
council
member
kelly
and
then
we'll
bounce
back
around
and
then
and
counseling,
and
parents
also
turn
into.
I
Two
questions:
one
I'm
curious
as
to
amount
of
time
or
dollar
amount
if
we
can
put
that
on
it
to
shut
down
water
and
then
turn
it
back
on
like
how
much
is
involved
in
that
either.
You
know
monetarily
or
labor.
I
Okay,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you
and
my
other
question
is:
has
staff?
Has
anybody
looked
at
communities
that
use
an
alternative
means
to
to
get
payment,
as
I'm
sure
their
communities,
not
all
communities,
resort
to
shutting
off
water
as
a
as
a
means
to
respond
to
failure
to
pay?
So
I'm
wondering
what
those
communities
do.
L
So,
for
instance,
city
of
chicago,
they
offer
a
a
utility
bill
relief
type
of
program
where,
where
they
a
person
that
applies
and
is
approved
for
the
program,
their
water
sewer
rate
and
they
have
like
a
water
sewer
tax,
it's
reduced
by
50
percent,
and
they
put
that
account
on
that
rate
for
a
year
and
if
they
pay
on
time
for
12
months
consecutively,
they
forgive
any
of
their
past
due
amounts
that
they
owe.
L
If
the
program
isn't
honored,
they
allow
them
to
apply
again
and
let
them
go
through
the
12
months
again,
if,
if
they
don't
honor
it
the
second
time
that
account
would
be
subject
for
for
water,
for
collection,
whatever
that
consists
of
and
but
chicago
right
now,
currently
they're
not
performing
water
shutoffs
according
to
their
website,
and
so
you
have
similar
programs
like
that
across
the
country,
especially
in
big
cities,
chicago
detroit
philadelphia
places
like
that.
Have
similar
programs
like
that
in
place
to
offer
assistance
in
the
state.
L
Here
in
illinois,
I've
talked
to
colleagues
pretty
much
throughout
the
state
and
most
of
them
started.
I
think
all
of
them
I've
talked
to
started.
They
resumed
shutoffs
like
a
year
ago,
so
they've
been
doing
it
for
quite
some
time,
even
in
springfield
they're
doing
their
performance
shut
offs
there
as
well.
I
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
see
maybe
three
different
models
so
chicago.
Thank
you
very
much
for
providing
the
details
about
chicago,
maybe
three,
three
approaches
that
aren't
shutting
off
water
to
see
what
some
other
cities
do.
Thank
you.
M
A
G
M
Because
how
many
over
a
thousand
again,
you
said
100
over
a
thousand
yeah,
if
I
could,
if
we
could
just
see
the
breakdown
of
that.
But
but
we
don't
know
if
it's
a
7,
17,
000
or
versus
1700.
M
Let
me
go
back
to
my
notes
and
then
also,
if
we
can
you've
mentioned
a
few
times,
that
a
typical
shutoff
is
last
a
week.
If
we
could
get
a
breakdown
of
that
using
the
last
shutoffs
we
did.
I
think
it
was
three
about
300
if
we
could
just
say
okay,
this
turn
back
in
this
amount
of
time.
This
turn
back
and
this
just
a
breakdown.
That
would
be
helpful,
and
I
think
that
is
all
this
is
just.
What
is
this
first
discussion
right?
So
this
is
yes.
A
Is
why
I
expressed
disappointment
that
I
put
in
a
policy
over
the
summer
to
end
water
shutoffs
to
look
at
the
models
like
chicago
to
look
at
alternative
models
where
we're
not
a
barbaric
city?
That's
shutting
off
water
to
residences.
I
I'm
really
disappointed
by
this
I
mean
again.
This
is
not
directly
on
you,
mr
king,
or
any
individual
person,
but
you
know
this.
A
We
should
not
be
okay,
living
in
a
city
that
can't
even
provide
water
to
residents
residences
to
to
it's,
it's
really
disappointing.
So
next
is
and
where
were
you
done?
I.
M
I
guess
you
know
obviously
it's
maybe
this
is
an
administrative
decision,
but
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
move
forward
with
this.
You
know
I
don't
know
whose
call
that
would
be,
but
it
it.
M
It
would
be
great
if
we
had
enough
time
to
vet
this,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
for
me-
I
don't
I'm,
not
I'm
pretty
much
at
the
point
to
to
to
stop
it,
but
I'm
more
so
like
you,
don't
cut
it
off
if
right
like,
if
you
try
to
if
you
reach
out
and
get
in
the
program,
if
you
do
this
right,
like
that's,
I'm
closer
to
that
than
just
an
automatic,
no
shutoff,
just
because
I
think
we're
not
chicago
we're
a
much
smaller
city,
we
should
be
able
to
do
the
amount
of
outreach
to
all
these
residents
in
a
short
amount
of
time.
M
Chicago
could
never
do
that
right,
based
on
how
many
shutouts
they
have.
So
we
are
we're
not
chicago.
We
are
different.
I
think
we
can
do
outreach
to
this
group.
I
think
the
questions
I
actually
helped
me
get
a
better
sense
of
how
to
best
do
that,
but
yeah.
H
A
C
Thank
you,
reid,
yeah,
michael.
The
decision
is,
if.
C
Is
made
to
resume
this
practice
today,
hypothetically?
How
soon
would
shut
off
notices
go
out.
C
Right
so,
presumably
there
are
a
number
of
houses,
other
exact
numbers
of
buildings,
366
that
are
on
the
list,
they've
received,
if,
by
my
count,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly
two
past
due
notices
and
are
therefore
in
the
you
know
as
soon
as
the
flip,
the
switch
is
flipped
to
resume.
This
practice,
if
indeed
it
is
shut
off
notices,
will
go
out
immediately
fairly
soon,
fairly
quickly
within.
L
Or
make
a
payment
arrangement
contact
us
provide
lie
heap
approval,
you
know
those
different
things
that
they
will
have
those
options.
C
And
past
practices
indicated
that
approximately
80
of
those
accounts
will
pay
up,
and
you
know,
presumably
what
they
needed
was
that
nudge
to
correct
to
make
the
payment,
and
then
we
have
the
other
20
percent
that
we
would
be
dealing
with.
That
would
be
about
seven.
What
helped
me
with
the
math
here:
20
40,
60,
60
or
70
accounts
that
likely
might
get
shut
off
if
we
resume.
C
L
A
If
I
can
ask
a
point
of
information,
how
long
does
lie
heap
approval
take
when
someone
applies?
How
are
they
waiting
to
get
approval.
L
L
Maybe
even
a
month
lywop
has
taken
in
some
cases
I
won't
say
the
approval.
The
approval
may
be
pretty
relatively
fast
by
the
time
we
get
the
a
payment
from
cedar
that
has
taken
like
four
weeks
six
weeks
so
but
but
ceta
contacts
us
and
said:
hey
this
account's
been
approval
has
been
approved.
It
just
takes
a
while
for
us
to
get
payment.
L
C
Yes,
I
don't
think
anyone
wants
to
shut
off
water
from
somebody
who
is
legitimately
struggling
and
is
having
a
problem.
There
are
people
that
need
help
and
I
would
like
to
help
them.
I
think
what
we're
after
here
is
a
way
to
get
to
the
folks
who,
in
the
80
category,
are
slacking
off
for
whatever
reason
and
just
need
to
catch
up,
and
it
seems
like
the
threat
of
shutoff
is
a
pretty
good
incentive.
D
I
I
just
want
to
when
daryl
talks
about
the
shutoff
in
april,
that
is
scheduled
to
start
april
18th.
So
at
the
march
28th
meeting
we
could
come
back
with
some
of
the
information
that
was
requested
at
this
meeting
tonight.
Get
you
to
what
other
models
are.
I
I
think
evanston's,
affordable
rate
is
modeling.
What
the
other
comp,
the
other
municipalities
already
doing.
D
That's
that's
why
we
want
to
get
all
set
up
and
and
provide
that
to
people,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
we're
gonna
find
other
models
other
than
developing
an
affordable
rate
and
and
evanston's
a
leader,
at
least
in
the
state
of
illinois,
for
that
other
than
the
city
of
chicago,
and
so
actually,
I'm
in
springfield
next
week.
Talking
about
how
we
developed
it
so
that
other
municipalities
can
understand
what
we're
doing
what
we're
attempting
to
do.
So
we
can.
We
took
notes
on
what
the
questions
were
here
tonight.
D
A
I
think
bringing
it
back
on
the
28th
makes
sense.
Okay,
seeing
no
further
discussion
on
this.
I
I
do
think
that
we
had
of
the
five
members
here.
I
do
think
it
was
pretty
clear
from
at
least
three
the
majority
that
we
want.
You
all
to
come
back
with
a
plan
that
does
not,
if
possible,
involve
shutoffs
and
certainly
a
comparison
of
of
of
different
systems.
M
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
hybrid,
but
my
suggestion
is
also
worked
into
that
because
again
I
think
I
think-
and
we
might
be
doing
a
lot
of
this,
but
we
don't
shut
it
off.
If
right,
you
show
some
effort
either
to
apply
for
one
of
the
available
programs.
In
my
opinion,
you
don't
need
to
be
approved
necessarily
but
you're
just
showing
that
you've
started
the
you
know
that
the
you've
you've
submitted
your
paperwork.
A
A
L
Ahead
I'll,
let
you
so
we
seek
the
approval.
So
if
someone
can
show
us
a
letter
from
c
to
say,
they're
approved
for
light,
we
automatically
put
them
on
the
affordable
rate.
We
won't
shut
your
water
off.
If
somebody
again
with
ceta
approves
for
is,
is
approved
for
li-what.
We
get
communication
directly
from
ceta.
In
that
instance,
we
don't
shut
their
water
off.
If
somebody
comes
in
and
they're
going
through
the
process
of
setting
up
a
payment
arrangement,
we
would
hold
off
on
a
shutoff.
L
C
A
Okay
and-
and
I
want
to
say
one
last
thing
to
put
this
in
perspective-
if,
if
you
look
at
the
average
over
that
four-year
period
from
2016
to
2019
the
period
that
was
described,
that's
10
of
our
residents
experienced
or
10
of
the
accounts
experienced
to
shut
off,
because
that
is,
I
think,
350
a
year
was
the
average
that
was
given.
A
That's
1400
accounts
over
the
course
of
that
you
know
whatever
the
the
2016-2019
and
we
have
14
000
accounts
at
10
of
all
of
our
accounts
were
faced
shut
off
over
that
period.
So,
let's.
M
A
Thank
you
with
that.
Our
committee
meeting
is
concluded
and
pnd
will
start
in
immediately.