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B
Yes,
okay,
yes,.
A
All
right,
I
have
a
quorum.
D
F
B
A
A
We
do
have
two
people
signed
up
for
public
comment:
mr
fasilco
and
francine
allen:
okay,.
H
H
H
You
recall
that
clerk
reed
at
the
time
hired
a
temporary
person
for
two
thousand
dollars,
but
that
was
rejected
by
the
council
because
they
didn't
have
city
cup,
human
resources,
approval
and
I
think
those
should
be
treated
equally.
H
Recruitment
accounts,
62
612
for
35
000
was
that
wasted
city
managers
search.
I
also
like
somebody
to
explain
what
the
other
two
payments
are
for
recruitment
software
from
frontline
technologies.
For
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
school
crossing
guards
account
62509.
H
H
H
Are
these
that's
37
000?
Are
these
expenses
totally
paid
back
through
revenue
from
fees
paid
by
individuals
or
or
by
groups?
It
would
be
helpful
if
the
city
could
publish
a
revenues
list
as
a
companion
document
for
these
recreation
centers.
That
could
be
compared
with
the
bills
list.
So
you're
saying
whether
there's
a
loss
or
not
or
a
profit.
H
Public
works
agency
account
number
56503
for
forward-spaced
invoice
for
sixteen
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
B
H
I've
just
got
a
couple
more
things,
there's
only
two
speakers.
If
you
don't
mind,
please
is
forward
space
being
used
as
a
sole
source,
because
they
also
did
robert
crown
I've
seen
their
name
on
a
number
of
dealers.
I
just
want
to
know
if
that
sixteen
thousand
dollars
was
a
competitive
number.
H
The
fleet
fund
there's
allowances,
not
invoices,
but
allowances
of
four
thousand
dollars
for
four
or
five
individuals.
How
are
these?
Why
are
we
paying
allowances
without
invoices
attached?
H
Lastly,
the
insurance
fund
we're
paying
eighty
four
thousand
dollars.
Eighty
four
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
for
a
lawsuit,
I
guess
between
sanchez
and
the
village
of
wheeling.
I
don't
understand
that
and
why
we're
paying
our
work
wherever
why
evidence
is
paying
for
that?
H
Lastly,
item
a14
for
zero
missions,
don't
place
that
on
file,
don't
accept
it
and
place
it
on
file.
This
is
something
you're
you're
so
far
behind
on
you
claim
to
to
want
to
achieve
zero
emissions
by
2035,
that's
less
than
15
years.
You
should
accept
it.
The
report
but
select
a
date
certain
to
review,
and
you
know,
examine
this
report
in
more
detail.
E
Yes,
this
is
ken
schwartz,
I'm
representing
miss
allen,
who's
unavailable
today
and
I'm
here
to
help
answer
any
questions
that
the
staff
may
have
of
her.
B
Let's
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda
with
the
proof
may
have
a
motion
for
the
consent
agenda.
F
I
B
Okay
may
have
a
motion
for
the
consent:
agenda,
minus
items,
a
3,
a
4,
a
5
and
a
14.
F
D
I
will
second
the
motion
for
the
consent:
calendar,
which
includes
item
a1,
approval
of
the
bills
list
and
payroll
list
in
the
amount
of
two
million
six
hundred
thirty
four
thousand
975
dollars
and
85
cents
and
the
bills
list
for
one
month.
I
Can
we
respond
to
mr
vasilka's
questions
about
the
bills
listed?
I
just
feel
like.
D
Okay,
then,
I
will
move
the
consent
agenda,
which
now
includes
item
a2
purchase
of
one
vehicle
for
the
administrative
services
department
from
curry,
commercial
center
and
one
vehicle
for
the
public
works
agency
from
russo
power
equipment.
Those
totals
are
48
0507
from
curry
and
43
791.
One
fifteen
cents
from
russo
power
next
would
then
be
item
a
six.
I
believe.
D
D
This
is
in
the
amount
of
2
million
five
thousand
dollars
and
item
a
twelve
single
source,
licensing
and
support
renewal
for
microsoft,
structured
query,
language
server
and
windows
server
with
software
assurance
from
dell
technologies
in
the
amount
of
thirty
four
thousand
two
hundred
one
dollars
and
seventy
four
cents.
D
B
Great,
thank
you.
The
consent
agenda
has
properly
been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
all
those.
F
B
Any
abstentions,
the
eyes
have
it.
We
can
move
back
to
the
items
that
were
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
item
a1,
council,
member
kelly.
I
Yeah,
could
we
just,
I
just
think.
I
I
I
B
Yeah,
and
maybe
do
you
want
us
to
move
back
to
this
item-
table
this
for
a
second
and
then
you
can
formulate
okay,
the
questions
whatever
you
have.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
let's
move
on.
Let's
go
on
to
let's
kind
of
a
motion
to
table
that.
F
Chair
members
of
the
committee
I'd
like
to
move
item
a3,
which
is
the
approval
of
change
order
number
two,
with
the
contract
of
garland
dbs
for
the
fire
station
emergency
roof
repairs
who's
covering
that
where's.
That
do
you
mind
just
I
just
I
was
curious
to
the
distant
updates
and
and
timeline
when
it
will
be
finished
in
just
an
understanding.
What
the
purpose
of
the
delay.
K
F
B
Thank
you
any
further
questions.
No,
no,
I'm
good,
no
great
seeing
up
seeing
no
further
questions.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions,
saying
none!
The
motion
passes.
I
have
a
motion
for
item
a4.
F
That's
also
me
so,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'd
like
to
move
the
approval
contract
with
silas
o'brien
for
the
noise
cultural
arts
center
hvac
feasibility
study.
It's
for
action.
Is
there
a
second.
D
F
K
Yes,
so
it
is
a,
it
is
a
study
to
determine
what
needs
to
be
done
to
complete
repairs
at
the
noise
cultural
arts
center,
the
issue
being
that
the
hvac
system,
which
is
primarily
heating,
there's
no
centralized
air
conditioning,
is
failing
and
there's
no
way
to
get
replacement
parts.
It's
like
a
radiant
system
with
cabinets.
F
K
F
So
upgrade
the
system.
I
guess
the
reason
that
I'm
scratching
my
head
on
this
is
for
two
reasons:
number
one:
it's
it's
it's
like
we're
asking
for
somebody
to
tell
us
how
much
it
would
cost
versus
just
asking
for
a
proposal
and
have
someone
do
that
for
free
who
would
normally
do
the
repairs,
so
it
seems
like
a
two-step
that
we
could
eliminate
one,
but
I'm
not
that
smart
and
then
the
second
thing
is
we're
paying
for
it
out
of
bonds,
which
also
didn't
make
much
sense
to
me
for
something.
F
K
The
second
question
is
easier
to
answer
this
study
when
it
turns
into
a
design
project
turns
into
a
construction
project,
is
capitalized
all
together
with
the
construction,
and
so
it's
pretty
standard
that
we
use
bonds
to
pay
for
those
types
of
things
in
terms
of
the.
Why
are
we
doing
a
study?
First?
K
The
answer
is
that
it
is
not
very
straightforward.
The
building
is
really
large,
it's
pretty
complex
and
we
would
need
a
consultant
to
give
us
options.
There's
different
ways
to
improve
the
hvac.
For
example,
we
could
continue
with
a
a
steam,
a
radiant
steam
heated
system,
not
very
carb
compliant.
We
could
look
at
carp
and
come
up
with
an
all-electrification
sort
of
system
that
comes
with
a
different
set
of
costs.
K
There
are
likely
to
be
other
issues
that
are
associated
with
the
contract
as
we
move
forward
so
they're
going
to
do
a
study
and
then
there's
a
big
piece
of
that
money.
We
don't
actually
have
any
drawings
for
this
building,
and
so
part
of
the
scope
of
the
project
is
to
develop
some
working
drawings
for
the
building,
so
that
we
could
then
proceed
with
the
design.
F
And
I
apologize
for
not
reaching
out
to
you
early
on
this,
I'm
I'm
I'm
still
sort
of
scratching
my
head,
because
I
I
at
some
point
we
had
talked
about
the
possibility
of.
Let
me
be
clear,
we
didn't
it
was
talked
about,
so
we
didn't
make
any
actions
in
case.
Somebody
calls
us
up
after
this,
the
possibility
of
even
selling
noise
has
been
something
that
has
been
toyed
around
with
for
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
know
that
there's
no
timeline,
for
that
is
not
something
that
we're
taking
action.
K
Absolutely
it's
entirely
possible
that
the
city
council
could
choose
to
sell
noise,
but
that
isn't
in
my
purview
to
make
that
decision.
And
meanwhile
the
hvac
system
has
gotten
to
the
point
where
some
decisions
are
really
going
to
need
to
be
made.
So
it
is
up
to
the
city
council
if
they
choose
to
proceed
with
the
study
or
not.
However,
if
there
are
failures,
we
will
struggle
to
get
any
repairs
made
to
keep
the
building
so.
F
K
Some
of
the
windows,
but
the
the
the
issue
we're
running
into
with
the
heating
system,
has
to
do
with
the
distribution
of
the
heat.
The
the
radiant
system
and
the
cabinets
that
are
in
each
room
are
on
the
verge
of
failing
and
you
cannot
get
replacement
parts.
F
I
just
know
if
it
was
my
ac
and
I
had
to
pay
someone
to
tell
me
what's
wrong
with
it.
I'd
probably
call
someone
and
just
tell
me
how
much
you
know
what
the
point,
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be
to
fix
it.
So
I'd
be
curious
to
know
if
we
were
to
put
this
on
hold
for
a
second
contact,
a
couple
of
mechanical
engineers
that
do
this
for
a
living
who
have
used
in
the
past
and
just
ask
them
what
it
would
cost
to
fix
the
damn
thing
or
to
replace
the
whole
thing.
F
I
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
feel.
Similarly,
it
just
seems
185
000
for
a
feasibility
study.
I
you
know.
I
know
we
also
have
engineers,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
that
cost.
For
the
study
I
mean
I'm
wondering
if
like
what,
what's
our
total
cost
a
year
right
currently
with
what
we
do
have
I
mean
what
does
it
cost
to
run?
I
know
we
don't
have
air,
but
we
don't
have
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
percent
like
what
we're
planning
on
paying
185
000
for
in
light
of
the
total
costs
currently
and.
K
I
do
not
have
access
to
the
information
for
what
we're
spending
on
the
natural
gas
to
pay
for
running
the
heating
system.
K
K
F
D
Thank
you,
chair
burns.
I
I
will
support
this
study
under
the
assumption
that
one
of
the
options
that
the
consultant
would
be
investigating
would
be
an
all-electric
option,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
in
just
a
few
minutes
with
item
a14.
Our
municipal
operations,
zero
emission
strategy,
and
so
this
type
of
conversation
is
exactly
in
line
with
our
you
know
stated:
objectives
for
zero
carbon.
D
Under
our
carp
plan,
it's
going
to
cost
some
money
to
be
able
to
get
there
and
knowing
what
those
options
are
is
is
worth
paying
some
money
for.
So
I
will
support
this.
F
D
K
Yes,
we
would
have
it's
it's
just
the
the
size
and
the
complexity
of
the
systems.
So
when
we
talk
about
in
a
residential
building
or
even
in
a
small
commercial
building,
there
will
be
a
circuit,
breaker
box.
The
service
comes
in
there's
a
circuit,
breaker
box,
there's
a
furnace
so,
for
example,
at
ecology
center.
We
have
two
forced
air
units
that
provide
air
conditioning
they're
slightly
larger
than
residential
size.
It's
a
really
simple
system,
but
when
we
get
into
a
situation
in
noise,
you
have
a
switch
gear
that
fills
a
room
and
a
boiler
system.
K
That's
really
ancient.
We
don't
know
the
condition
of
the
distribution
system
of
of
pipes
for
the
radiant
heat.
We
know
that
the
cabinets
don't
have
the
kind
of
parts
that
we
can
get
readily
in
the
individual
rooms.
They're
pneumatically
operated.
Currently,
that's
not
a
modern
standard
of
technology
for
heating
cabinets,
modern
standard
would
be
electrically
operated,
but
the
building
doesn't
have
the
electrical
distribution
system
inside
to
support
that.
D
If
we're
just
an
air
conditioner
at
our
house
yeah,
you
call
a
couple.
Companies
get
them,
get
a
couple
quotes
and
go
with.
You
know
whoever
you
want
to
choose
at
that
point
for
something
like
this.
It's
so
old,
so
complex
that
if
we
were
to
go
out
to
bid,
as
is
anybody
who
would
bid
on
it,
would
need
to
do
all
this
work
to
be
able
to
find
out
what
the
actual
price
would
be
right.
D
Into
the
cost
of
their
bid
in
either
that
or
you
dramatically
over
bid
so
that
they
have
enough
of
a
cushion
to
be
able
to
accommodate
any
any
kind
of
contingencies
and
then
still
we'd
be
faced
with
any
number
of
unknown
change.
Orders
based
on
what
they
would
find
when
they
open
up
the
wall,
so
taking
a
little
bit
of
time
up
front
spending
some
money
up
front
to
figure
out
what
the
actual
problem
is
define
the
problem.
So
then,
that
technological
solutions
to
that
problem
can
be
properly
identified
properly.
D
A
And
I
think
that
if
you
just
were
to
go
out
and
and
get
quotes
from
different
mechanics
mechanical
contractors
that
we're
not
designing
we're,
not
informing
them
as
to
what
it
is
that
we
want
complete
we're
just
we
just
want
an
operational
system,
and
how
do
we
verify
that?
How
how
do
we
know
that
the
work
that
they
perform
will
meet
the
requirements
of
the
building
they
so
they're?
Saying
I'm
going
to
do
this
in
here
and
then,
if
they
fail,
there's
there's
no
spec
that
they
had
to
meet.
A
There's
you
know
we're
taking
it's
actually
like
a
design
build.
You
tell
us
what
we
need.
We
approve
the
cost,
you
go
build
it
and
then
we
hope
that
it
works
properly
and
we
can
do
that.
That's
a
design,
build
type
of
system,
but
do
you
want
it
to
be
an
electrical
system?
Do
you
want
to
be
a
steam
heat
system
or.
F
Again,
I'm
following
the
logic,
but
if,
if
this
is
my
house
and
I
have
an
option
between
again
much
smaller
scale-
something
that
I
can
put
my
head
around
and
I'm
like,
do
I
go
solar?
I
don't
I
go
solar.
Do
I
go
with
force
gas
heater
electrical
heat?
I
would
like
to
think
that
between
two
or
three
different
proposals,
I
at
least
have
an
idea
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
and
I
also
have
an
idea
what
the
cost
saving
benefits
are.
F
So
if
this
is
not
the
right
process
in
a
municipal
setting,
I
can
concede
to
that.
But
I
would
say
anybody
who
does
the
work
director
stoneback
is
going
to
have
to
guarantee
some
things
through
warranties
that
if
it
fails-
and
I
don't
think
you
know
whether
or
not
this
was
designed
to
our
specs-
I
think
that's
something
that
a
really
good,
ac
or
hvac
company
would
do
I'd
like
to
think
their
companies
out
there.
F
That
would
eventually
do
the
work
should
be
able
to
come
in
and
assess
it
to
a
certain
degree,
and
I
also
trust
our
staff
has
the
expertise
to
evaluate
which
is
the
right
path,
so
it
can
move
forward.
I
just
want
my
complaints
to
go
on
down
the
record
and
I
hate
to
hold
up
time
on
things.
If
there's
enough
support
to
move
it
along.
B
All
right,
I'm
going
to
call
a
roll
call
on
this.
B
Oh
I'm
councilmember
burns.
G
And
still
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
part
of
the
reason
I
volunteered
to
sit
on
the
budget
and
finance
committee,
but
is
this?
Is
this
dollar
amount
bond
amount,
something
that
we
already
approved?
This
isn't.
K
Yes,
the
the
part
of
the
money
is
in
bonds
that
were
previously
sold,
because
this
project
has
been
pushed
off
for
staffing
reasons,
and
there
are
some
additional
money
that
was
approved
as
part
of
the
adopted
budget
that
is
bonds
to
be
sold
in
this
year.
I
So
just
two
bids
here,
I'm
just
wondering:
could
we
yeah?
Why
is
that?
Was
it
out
for
a
while?
I
don't
know
I'm
sorry
on
the
details
on
this,
but
it
seems
like
I
mean
I'd
like
to
see
this.
It
just
seemed
it
seems
very
high
to
me
again
since
it's
not
it's
not
a
bid.
I
K
E
B
A
lot
of
money
to
pay
for
a
study.
I
I'm
going
to
support
it,
but
in
the
future
I'm
going
to-
and
I
kind
of
implore
us
all-
to
work
to
bring
ourselves
up
to
speed.
Maybe
on.
E
B
A
B
And
the
eyes
have
it
this
moves
on
to
council.
B
I
have
a
motion
for
item
a5.
Mr.
D
D
Yeah,
I
just
oh
okay,
one
comment
on
that.
I
I'm
gonna
support
this.
Well,
there
was
an
option
in
here
to
pay
an
additional
25,
000
or
so
for
fire
proofing,
which
would
require
some
negotiation
with
the
condo
association
that
shares
this
parking
lot
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
staff
the
the
direction
if
it
makes
sense
to
everyone
on
the
committee
to
go
ahead
and
initiate
those
conversations.
D
D
We
can
also
pay
an
additional
twenty
five
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
to
improve
or
to
repair
the
fire
proofing
to
the
structure
that
cost
may
be
born,
or
maybe
shared
by
the
the
condo
association.
K
D
K
E
B
D
Mr
chair,
it
will
be
my
pleasure
to
move
item
a14
to
accept
and
place
on
file
after
some
discussion.
Evanston's
municipal
operations,
zero
emissions
strategy
is.
D
L
Good
afternoon
I'm
kara
pratt
the
sustainability
and
resilience
coordinator
for
the
city,
and
this
report
was
completed
in
august
of
2021
and
I
began
employment
in
october
of
2021.
So
I
just
hope
to
share
that
information
as
an
explanation
for
why
I
might
not
be
able
to
answer
all
the
questions
associated
with
this
report.
L
But
this
was
a
report
commissioned
by
the
city
that
cost
just
over
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
it
was
to
research,
the
opportunities
and
pathways
for
zero
missions
for
municipal
operations
by
twenty
thirty
five.
So
broadly,
it
provides
three
different
pathways,
the
most
ambitious
and
most
expensive
the
middle
ground
and
then
the
least,
ambitious
and
least
expensive.
All
of
us
all
of
them
getting
to
zero
emissions
by
2035..
L
The
biggest
difference
is
in
right-sizing
city
property.
Whether
we
would
maintain
the
building
footprint
that
we
have,
whether
we
would
push
for
full
electrification
of
buildings
and
the
degree
to
which
we
would
reply
rely
on
renewable
energy
credits,
which
is
the
purchase
of
credits
associated
with
solar
and
wind,
or
if
we
would
rely
on
additionality
which
would
be
deploying
our
own
renewable
energy
options
within
city
limits.
L
D
B
D
Thank
you.
I
will
fully
support
the
transformative
change
option
in
doing
that
as
quickly
as
we
can
within
our
budgetary
constraints.
D
I
understand
that
making
this
commitment
now
leaves
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
in
ensuing
years,
as
we
figure
out
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
to
get
there
and
figure
out
where
all
this
money
is
going
to
come
from.
So
can
we
talk
about
that
second
point,
a
little
bit
where,
where
are
we
going
to
find
the
money
to
to
do
all
this
work?.
L
Sure
so,
within
the
zero
emission
strategy
there
are
a
number
of
different
resources
that
are
identified
and
because
the
different
options
are
so
broad,
there
are
nine
different
strategies
from
street
lights
to
fleet
electrification,
renewable
energy.
There
would
be
an
assortment
of
different
funding
mechanisms,
so,
for
example,
for
solar
a
power
purchase
agreement
would
probably
be
the
most
ideal
approach
to
take
because
there
would
be
zero
capital
expenditure
by
the
city
and
we
would
have
cost
savings
over
time
versus
spending
millions
of
dollars
up
front
to
own
our
own
solar
installation.
D
Great
so
there's
a
price
tag
associated
with
capital,
expenses
and
upfront
expenses
to
to
set
this
plan
in
motion,
but
reading
the
report
here
there
will
be
ongoing
operational
savings
so
that
in
the
long
run,
this
investment
will
pay
for
itself
in
terms
of
operational
savings
case
in
point
electric
vehicles,
as
we
electrify
our
fleet,
we
won't
pay
for
gasoline.
We
won't
pay
for
diesel,
we
will
pay
significantly
less
for
maintenance,
and
so
all
that
you
know
operational
savings
will
more
than
pay
us
back
for
whatever
the
additional
upfront
cost
is.
L
H
D
And
just
to
define
scope
of
work,
this
particular
study
addressed
only
the
city
of
evanston
operations,
which
is
just
a
fraction
of
the
community
of
evanston.
D
So
kind
of
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
if
we're
talking
about
the
community
of
evanston,
but
you
know
I
have
to
think
there
is
significant
benefit
in
the
city,
taking
a
leadership
role
and
moving
forward
with
you
know,
plans
to
get
to
zero
carbon
because
we
are
all
going
to
have
to
hop
on
that
bandwagon.
At
some
point.
Residential
commercial
industrial
entities
within
the
city
are
are
heading
in
this
direction
and
we
need
to
get
moving,
and
I
I
love
the
idea
of
the
city
taking
a
leadership
role.
E
L
D
But
this,
you
know,
is
a
big
step
in
the
right
direction
or
a
small
step
that
will
lead
to
bigger
steps
in
the
right
direction.
D
So
thanks
for
picking
up
the
ball
and
bringing
it
to
us,
thank.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
It
is
good
to
have
the
city
lead
on
this.
I
am
concerned
about
the
70
million
dollars
for
a
one
percent.
We
it's
that
we're
saying
70
million
dollars
for
one
percent
reduction
based
on
this
plan,
because
there
are
no
correlating
numbers
here.
In
terms
of
you
know,
the
70
million
price
tag
obviously
is
very
high,
but
I
don't
really
see
the
correlating
numbers
in
terms
of
reduction
in
greenhouse
emissions
from
this,
and
it
looks
like
maybe
it's
one
percent,
and
so,
if
you
extrapolate
that
that's
not
a
very
promising,
it's.
D
I
Right
and
I
mean
certainly,
there
can
be
codes
and
others
that
that
regulate
large
land
mass
buildings
and
such
it
doesn't
have
to
be,
and
we
can
we
can
develop.
I
mean
I'm
just
wondering
this
seems
like
an
awful
lot
of
money
to
to
impact
one
percent
emissions,
where
we
could
in
fact
move
forward
on
other
plans
that
do
impact
beyond
just
the
municipality
through
coding
through
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
different
means.
So
I'm.
I
D
That
this
will
pay
back.
There
is
whatever
the
price
tag
is,
and
whether
it's
70
or
65
or
80,
when
all
is
said
and
done
at
this
point,
it's
just
a
you
know
forward-looking
projection,
and
nobody
has
that
good
of
a
crystal
ball.
But
there
will
be
savings.
There
will
be
energy
savings
in
the
long
run,
which
I
fully
expect
will
pay
this
back
eventually
and
what
we're
voting
on
tonight
is
not
approving
an
expense
of
whatever
70
million
dollars.
D
It
is,
but
just
proving
conceptually
that
that
is
the
target
we
are
aiming
for,
and
that
is
the
direction
we're
heading
and
we
will
have
ample
opportunity
to
approve
any
number
of
expenses
over
the
next.
You
know
four
years
over
the
next
eight
years
over
the
next
12
years
that
are
going
to
be
required
to
get
us
there.
I
I
guess
I'm
also
it's
listed
as
a
pilot
project,
70
million
dollar
pilot
project.
That's
how
it's
described
that
I
mean
I
wouldn't
think
you
would
venture
on
a.
D
I
wouldn't
characterize
this
as
a
pilot
project.
This
was
a
study
of
municipal
operations
that
you
know
gives
us
a
a.
I
don't
want
to
say
an
educated
guess,
because
it's
it's
more
than
just
a
guess,
but
an
analytical
perspective
on
what
it's
going
to
take
the
city
of
evanston.
You
know
the
civic
center,
the
the
police
stations,
the
fire
stations,
etc,
city
buildings
to
city
fleet,
to
get
to
zero
carbon
by
2050..
B
B
Thank
you
cara
for
this.
I
I
I
also
support
this
plan.
I
I
do
see
the
value
in
the
city
taking
leadership
here.
I
do
understand
councilmember
kelly's
point
that
it'll
only
achieve
one
percent
overall,
but
it
certainly
is,
as
councilmember
newsman
noted,
a
hundred
percent
of
the
city's
carbon
emissions,
and
it's
great
for
us
to
be
the
leader
here
in
an
effort
like
this,
so
I
will
support
it
when
it
comes
time
to
actually
take
action
on
this
as
well.
As
you
know,
I'm
fully
supportive
of
the
full
plan.
B
I
I
think
comes
from
kelly.
I
B
Thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
of
accepting
and
placing
this
item
on
file
say
aye
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
The
eyes
have
it
all
right,
councilmember
kelly,
you're,
ready
for
us
to
go
back
to
item
a1.
I
Sure
sorry,
let's
see
a1
was
related
to
the
the.
I
Remove
it
a
motion
to
respond
to
questions
by
to.
M
I
Yes,
I
believe,
that's
the
question
about
whether
that
was
approved
of
by
the
hr
office
as
he
compared
it.
I
guess
to
another:
go
ahead:
yeah.
M
I
So
I
guess
there
was
some
confusion
why
there
was
a
lot
I
think
earlier
this
year
about
approving
a
payment
for
a
temporary
employee
because
it
hadn't
been
approved
by
the
hr
office.
So
it
wasn't
paid.
M
It
depends
upon
whether
they're
housed
in
hr
or
not
so
to
the
extent
that
we
had
contract
employees
in
hr.
The
hr
manager
is
authorized
to
make
those
contracts.
If
they're
housed
in
cmo,
then
I
would
approve
the
contracts
with
their
housing
community
development.
The
community
development
director
would
approve
the
contract.
B
Sure
I
mean
councilmember
burns.
G
And
I
might
be
getting
this
wrong,
but
but
also
what
I
heard
was
a
was
a
kind
of
look
back
at
a
time
when
councilman
marie
was
the
clerk
and
at
that
time
there
was
disagreement
on
whether
or
not
the
clerk
at
the
time
had
the
position
itself
had
the
authority
to
hire
and
fire,
and
I
think
we've
clarified
that
now
the
new
council
has
clarified
that
and
the
new
I
don't.
B
If
I
can
now
clarify
the
similarity,
is
the
clerk's
office
just
to
er?
When
I
was
clerk?
I
I
hired
a
contractor
during
a
time,
and
it
was
stated
that
the
reason
we
did
not
have
that
this
body
did
not
approve
of
the
payment
for
that
contractor,
which
was
within
the
clerk's
office's
budget.
B
I
was
about
two
thousand.
Some
odd
dollars
was
because
the
hr
department
said
that
the
clerk
could
not
hire
that
contractor,
and
so
I
think
the
question
here
is
if
every
other
department
head
seems
to
be
able
to
engage
with
the
contractor
without
having
the
hr
department
approve
of
it.
Why
couldn't
the
clerk's
office
engage
with
the
contractor,
particularly
for
such
a
low
dollar
amount?
B
Answered
the
hiring
and
firing
I
think
what's
different
here
is
just
the
specifically
that
it
was
a
contractor
and-
and
I
think
that
you
were
well
within
your
right
too
yeah.
M
To
be
clear,
just
whether
if
a
director
hires
a
contract
employee,
that's
under
my
direction
or
under
with
my
permission-
that's
not,
they
don't
go
rogue
in
doing
that.
We
only
do
that
under
circumstances
where
we
actually
don't
have
anybody
to
fill
the
budgeted
position,
because
we
can't
hire
anybody
or
we
are
just
in
dire
need
of
some
temporary
assistance.
M
B
I
guess
what
wasn't
rectified
was
the
person
getting
paid
the
the
money
that
was
within
the
budget.
B
Which,
if
I
I
just
want
for
the
folks
that
are
up
here
to
be
edified
in
that
a
director
would
have
the
right
to
contract
with
an
employee.
Of
course,
a
director
being
under
the
management
of
the
city
manager
would
have
that
in
some
way
approved
it
wouldn't
be
wrong,
but
they
would
know
in
some
way
that
they
could
do
that.
The
clerk's
office
is
not
listed
as
one
of
the
departments
that
is
managed
by
the
city
managers.
B
B
I'm
going
to
ask
councilmember
kelly:
if,
if
you
do
you
have,
if
you
have
the
questions
and
you
want
to
go.
G
I
Yeah,
so
no,
but
that's
the
question
so
about
the
36
thousand
dollars
for
recruitment
and
I'd
also
like
to
suggest
maybe
going
forward.
I
think
you
know
when
a
resident
does
all
this
work
and
is
studying
our
bills.
I
think
that's
great.
It
helps
with
checks
and
balances,
but
maybe
we
could
do
some
sort
of
a
system
for
city
council
where
they're
submitted
and
then
the
responses
are
read
off
on
that
city,
council
or
something
like
I'm.
B
L
B
I
B
Sure
that
would
be
luke
stone,
new.
J
Titles,
so
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
get
it
wrong.
Interim
deputy
city
manager,
luke
stowe,
chaired
members
of
the
council.
There
are
two
items
front
for
front
line.
Education
is
the
parent
company.
There
are
two
products,
one
I
think
is
about
thirteen
thousand
fourteen
thousand
dollars.
That
is
our
annual
renewal
for
the
recruitment
software
aflatrack.
J
So
when
you
apply
for
a
job
at
the
city
of
evanston,
the
software
that
manages
the
incoming
applications
and
that
whole
process
is
about
14
000
a
year
which
is
actually
really
reasonable
and
then
the
second
product
is
22
dollars
a
year
for
a
company
called
forecast
five
a
couple
years
ago,
our
budget
coordinator
wanted
to
bring
on
software
to
help
us
do
better
long
term
financial
forecasting
and
we
researched
a
whole
bunch
of
different
products
and
found
that
forecast
five
was
the
best
one
for
us,
so
that
product
is
22
000
annually,
it's
called
forecast
five
and
it
was
acquired
by
frontline
about
a
year
ago.
J
So
those
two
items
they're
together
but
they're,
really
not
it
just
happens
to
be
the
same
parent
company
but
they're
two
different
products,
great.
B
Sure,
while
I'm
chair,
mr
fasilca,
you
can
feel
free
to
send
a
list
of
questions.
I
can't
say
that
I
will
ask
every
single
question
here
from
the
floor,
but
we'll
submit
it
to
staff
and
we'll
get
answered
we
can
and
any
member
of
the
council
or
this
body
is
certainly
able
to
ask
any
question
that
they
see
fit.
B
Okay,
I
may
have
a
motion
on
the
bills
list.
I'm
sorry,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
saying
no
further
questions.
I
have
a
roll
call.
B
Aye,
right
with
the
item
a1
passing,
we
are
now
on
to
the
items
for
consideration.
We
have
a
motion
for
item
a15,
so
moved
moved
by
councilman
birth
weight
seconded
by
second
councilmember
newsman.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item?
B
F
B
Second,
move
by
councilman
smith
seconded
by
council
member
braithwaite:
is
there
any
discussion
on
this
item
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
those
opposed
any
abstentions?
The
item
passes
that
moves
us
on
to
item
a17
resolution
24r22,
appointing
megan
flora,
human
resources,
division
manager,
as
the
city
of
evanston's
authorized
agent
for
the
illinois
municipal
retirement
fund
to
have
a
motion
so
move.
Is
there
a
second
second
moved
and
seconded?
Are
there
any?
Is
there
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
aye.
E
B
B
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
by
councilman,
renuma
and
council
member
braithwaite,
seeing
no
discussion
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed
the
eyes.
Have
it
item
a19
ordinance,
27022
to
approve
the
construction
of
a
local
improvement
known
as
evanston
special
assessment
number
fifteen.
Twenty
eight.
We
have
emotion
so
move.
Is
there
a
second
multiple
councilmanism,
a
second
by
council
member
birth
weight,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed,
any
abstentions?
B
The
eyes
have
it
ordinance,
24022
amending
title
2,
chapter
2
of
the
city
code
to
reflect
changes
in
the
public
safety
commission
rules
may
have
a
motion
move
have
a
second.
B
Yeah,
but
I
presume
he'll
be
here
during
council
and
miss
ozrigbo.
N
Good
afternoon
members
of
the
committee
council,
member
reid,
chair
of
the
committee
deputy
city
attorney
michelle
ozeribo,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
the
committee's
attention
that
we
did
let
the
chair
know
that
there
were
just
a
couple
amendments
to
this
one.
So
we
did
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
moved
as
amended,
and
I
can
draw
the
attention
to
the
amendments.
We
just
wanted
to
alert
you
right
before
the
meeting.
Yes,
just
a
couple
of
typos
on
there.
B
And
I
have
those
amendments,
it
says
there
are
two
typographical
errors,
so
there
needs
to
be
a
motion
to
amend
the
ordinance
to
to
read
the
evanston
public
safety
civil
service
commission
rules
attached
to
ordinance
51
o
21,
as
exhibit
a
are
hereby
redacted
in
full
in
full
and
replaced
by
the
public
safety
civil
service
commission
rules
which
are
attached
to
ordinance
240
22,
as
exhibit
1
and
incorporated
here
in
as
fully
restated.
D
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
is
this:
I'm
looking
at
page
322
of
347.
This
is
just
correcting
a
typo
on
the
ordinance
24-022
correct.
B
B
B
E
B
Do
we
may
have
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
all
in
favor
of
the
amendment
that
was
just
proposed.
B
Any
abstentions-
and
he
knows-
does
have
it
that
amendment
has
passed
all
right.
So
I'm
going
to
forward
this
to
the
committee.
B
B
All
right,
the
amendments
as
proposed
have
been
sent
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
and
so
I
think
it
is
in
order
for
someone
to
just
move
the
amendments.
B
B
And
may
have
a
second
moved
by
councilmember
newsmas
seconded
by
councilmember
burns
this
okay.
What
we're
voting
on
is
to
incorporate
the
changes
suggested
by
our
corporation
council
nicholas
cummings.
All
the
committee
members
have
those
changes
in
their
email,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
The
eyes
have
it.
B
Okay
and
chief
eddington.
Are
you
on
the
call?
Yes,
mr
german,
I
am
thank
you
chief
eddington,
so
I
have.
Can
you
explain
the
rule
change
that
is
taking
place
here.
C
Certainly,
I'm
also
joined
this
evening
by
deputy
chief
wright
to
add
any
further
explanation
if
it
would
be
needed,
but
essentially
we
are
shortening
the
amount
of
time
for
a
lateral
officer
candidate
to
be
considered.
C
That's
usually
between
a
year
and
18
months,
we
have
found
that
there
are
several
academy
classmates
of
our
current
officers
who
were
interested
but
have
less
than
that
two
years
of
service
and
we're
eager
to
solicit
their
applications
to
the
force.
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
this
is
in
the
context
of
were
24
sworn
officers
short
and
that's
not
counting
the
two
resignations
and
one
retirement
memo
I
received
last
week.
D
Thank
you,
chair
reed.
I
did
talk
with
chief
eddington
earlier
today
about
my
concern
that
we
not
accept
that
we're
not
hiring
the
leftovers
from
other
municipalities
and
chief,
you,
I
think,
satisfactorily
addressed
my
concerns,
but
it
if
you'd
like
to
to
summarize
the
the
steps
you're
taking
to
make
sure
that
we
are
only
hiring
qualified
candidates.
That
would
be
good
fits
for
the
city
of
evanston.
D
C
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
The
candidates
will
be
vetted.
They
will
undergo
an
interview
by
members
of
our
command
staff.
Those
interview
panels
are
led
by
deputy
chief
wright
who's
with
us
this
evening.
We
make
a
determination
if
there's
a
good,
fit
there
and
then
they're,
subject
to
a
background
check
which
includes
a
waiver
that
they
have
to
sign.
So
we
can
see
their
current
personnel
file
with
their
current
employer
they're
also
subject
to
a
psychological
exam
and
a
polygraph
exam
and
a
drug
screen.
C
So
they're
going
we're
doing
all
the
things
we
would
do
for
a
candidate
that
is
not
in
service.
The
advantage
to
the
in-service
person
is
they
have
a
shorter
fto
period
and
we
don't
have
to
send
them
to
the
basic
training,
so
that
saves
the
city
considerable
amount
of
dollars.
Salary-Wise
also
we're
several
months
away
from
establishing
a
regular
police
test,
and
this
is
the
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
obtain
any
manpower
for
the
warmer
summer
months.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
have
any
further
questions
from
the
committee
singh.
I
still
do
have
one
question
so
obviously
the
problem
that
we
are
trying
to
solve
here
is
that
we
we
have
a
force
shortage.
I
think
trying
to
think
of
another
word
than
manpower,
but
of
you
know,
a
staffing
shortage.
So
what
other
steps
are
we
taking?
What
are
we
doing?
I
suppose
this
is
an
issue
across
departments
across
the
nation
at
this
time,
given
a
whole
host.
B
Let's
say
and
well
one
do
you
agree
with
that
statement?
Is
this
something
that
is
a
problem
across
the
nation
in
departments.
B
And
and
then
so,
what
are
we
doing
other
than
you
know,
lowering
our
recruitment
standards,
which
I
think
is
a
fine
policy.
I
see
really
no
issue
with
this
necessarily,
but
what
else
are
we
doing
to
attract
more?
You
know,
folks,
to
our
force:
do
you
think,
there's
a
pay
gap,
or
what
else
do
you
think
we
need
to
be
doing
to
fill
the
ranks.
C
Well,
first
of
all,
I
think
that
we're
making
a
concerted
effort
in
this
area,
our
recruiting
team,
has
just
posted
on
our
social
media
site,
a
video
that
was
directed
at
both
in-state
and
out-of-state
in-service
candidates
to
recruit
them
to
the
edison
police
department.
So
we're
working
very
hard
at
this
solution.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
come
to
grips
with
is
understanding
the
ramifications
of
the
title
ii
pension
system
that
your
new
hires
are
under.
That
makes
their
pensions
very
portable.
B
Thank
you
and
then
finally,
do
you
happen
to
know
when
our
next
round
of
labor
negotiations
is
set
to
occur.
B
Thank
you
seeing
no
further
questions
from
members
of
the
committee,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
all
those
opposed
any
abstentions.
Seeing
none
the
motion
passes
items
for
discussion.
I'd
like
to
it.
Can
someone
move
item
apw
one
continue
discussion
on
resuming
water
shutoffs
as
a
result
of
non-payment,
so.
D
B
Second
by
council
member
burns,
mr
king,
there
were
hello
good
day,
sir
good
evening.
There
are.
B
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
the
committee
asked
for
in
a
memo,
and
so
I
know
that
you
all
did
some
research
on
some
of
the
things
that
I
asked
particularly
about
lean
but
I'll.
Let
you
start
where
you
want
to
start,
and
then
I
have
a
few
questions.
O
Sure,
chair
reid
members
of
the
committee
darryl
king
water
production
bureau,
chief
and
so
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
at
the
march
14th
meeting
additional
information
was
requested
in
terms
of
other
programs
that
were
out
there
that
other
cities
were
undertaking,
as
well
as
information
on
liens,
as
well
as
information
on
our
last
shutoff
event
that
occurred
in
october
of
2019.
O
so
other
we.
We
spoke
about
the
affordability
program
that
the
city
of
chicago
is
doing:
50
off
for
income
eligible
customers
for
their
water
sewer
and
water
sewer
tax.
Fifty
percent
off
you
pay
that
for
twelve
months
you
do
it
successfully
urges
are,
are
forgiven
and,
and
chicago
is
currently
not
doing,
shutoffs
detroit.
O
They
have
a
a
customer
residential
assistance
program
for
income
eligible
customers,
200
federal
poverty,
level,
income,
and
so
those
customers
are
are
eligible
for
25
dollar
monthly
discounts
on
their
on
their
water
bills.
300
total
over
12
months,
freeze
on
past
due
amounts
for
12
months
upon
successful
completion
of
the
payment
plan
and
apply
up
to
350
credit
toward
past
due
amount
for
the
first
month.
O
You
know
after
enrollment
and
additional
350
dollars
after
the
12
months,
so
those
are
a
few
things
that
they're
doing
and
they're
not
shutting
water
off
as
well
as
the
city
of
chicago
now
philadelphia.
B
I
can,
if
I
can,
interject
and
I'm
sorry
just
in
the
name
of
time,
to
try
to
start
council
somewhere
near
six
o'clock.
B
What
I'm
and
I
don't
know
if
other
committee
members
feel
the
same-
I'm
not
necessarily
looking
to
at
this
moment
start
a
new
program,
I'm
really
just
focused
on
the
water
shutoffs,
and
so
I
have
been
able
to
read
the
memo
earlier
today
and
a
lot
of
those
programs
seem
great
and
thank
you
for
the
information
that
would
be
really
helpful
as
we
move
forward.
There's
some
really
good
models
here,
but
all
of
the
cities
that
you
provided.
They
they
don't
prove
they
don't
shut
off
water,
correct.
O
Not
all
of
them
seems.
B
O
O
San
antonio
does
shut
off
water.
Okay,
philadelphia
is
not
doing
it.
Detroit
is
not
doing
it.
Seattle
is
performing
shutoffs,
okay,.
B
But
it's
a
number
of
the
cities
here
do
not
perform
shutoffs.
What
I
would
really
like
to
see
is
you
know
not
less
about
the
programs
that
they
provide,
because
that's
not
necessarily
what
we're
talking
about
here,
because
we
do
have
some
things
in
place,
such
as
the
the
liup
and
the
all
of
that
stuff,
but
I'm
interested
in
what
the
financial
impact
was
in
those
cities
when
they
you.
J
B
B
F
There
was
a
letter
that
went
out
of
what
our
staff
reported
that
we
had
a
large
people.
Large
number
of
the
customers
comply,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
the
comparison
with
other
communities
how
that
translates
to
what
we're
doing
so.
Maybe
I'm
missing
something.
So
that's
a
clarification
that
I
was
trying
to
understand.
Yeah
yeah.
B
Thank
you.
The
question
is
in
a
community
in
communities
where
they
do
not
shut
off
water,
because
I
made
a
referral
to
end
residential
water
shutoffs,
and
so
that's
part
of
this
discussion
here
in
cities
where
they
have
opted
to
end
their
practice
of
shutting
off
water.
What
has
been
the
impact
on
folks
complying
with
payment
and
then
ultimately,
to
the
city's
finances,
so
we
could
use
that
to
extrapolate
out
what
might
be
the
impact
here
if
we
were
to
end
water
shutoffs?
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
B
N
Good
evening,
good
members
of
the
committee
and
chairman
reed,
I
was
not
personally
a
part
of
the
memo.
However,
I've
reviewed
it
and
it's
a
memo
from
the
law
department
regarding
the
water
shut
off.
B
N
I
can
have
corporation
council
speak
to
any
details
or
if
you
have
questions
for
me,
that's
fine
too.
Were
there
any
particular
questions
about
the.
B
Yeah
so
yeah,
I
I'm
looking
at
one.
For
example,
we
have
currently
first,
I
guess
I'll
verify
this
with
mr
king.
There
are
currently
254
residences
that
are
that
are
on
our
non-payment
list
on
the
shut
off
list.
Is
that.
B
And
that
number
changes
yeah
sure,
but
roughly
roughly
somewhere
around
somewhere
around
250
residential
shutoffs
right
now
correct,
and
we
said
that,
usually
when
we
send
out
a
letter
that
says:
hey
we're
going
to
shut
off
your
water,
we
get
about
80
compliance.
Is
that
about
right,
correct!
That's.
E
B
So
of
the
254,
if
we
sent
a
letter
I
mean
we
don't
know
what
would
happen
if
we
sent
a
letter
that
said,
hey
we're
going
to
place
a
lien
against
your
property
as
opposed
to
we're
going
to
shut
off
your
water,
but
presumably
a
good
number
of
those
folks
would
pay.
It
wouldn't
be
254
it
would.
B
You
know
it'd
be
about
20
of
that,
let's
say
20
or
even
30,
if
they're
slightly
lower
compliance,
so
we're
we're
not
necessarily
looking
at
you
know
a
thousand
over
a
thousand
hours
in
time
by
the
end.
Now
I'm
switching
back
to
the
law
department,
because
these
weren't
your
numbers
necessarily,
but
so
michelle.
When
I
look
at
this,
the
calculation
that
would
be
a
thousand
some
odd
hours
of
staff
time
in
the
law
department
wouldn't
be
valid.
B
Just
given
that
we
see
compliance
with
the
first
letters
that
are
sent
out
the
filing
fees.
As
the
memo
says.
Yes,
we'd
pay,
those
upfront
potentially,
but
it
again
would
be
much
less
than
than
the
ten
thousand
dollars
listed
and
that
could
also
be
recouped
by
the
lien
in
the
lean
process.
As
it
says
in
the
memo
I'm
curious,
it
seems
what
would
cause
each
individual
lien
to
take
four
hours
of
staff
time.
B
N
So
good
evening,
again
I'll
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
lean
process,
so
it
wouldn't
necessarily
just
be
plugging
in
the
numbers.
What
would
happen
is
that
for
each
property
we
would
have
that's
unpaid.
We
would
have
to
draft
the
lien
notice
of
lean,
and
then
we
would
have
to
record
that.
So
that
takes
a
process
and
then,
additionally,.
N
When
you
talk
about
the
judgment
on
the
liens,
that's
another
process,
so
it's
not
necessarily
just
a
copy
and
paste
on
each
lien.
It's
each
lien
is
a
separate
lien
and
the
process
of
recording
each
lien
would
be
time
consuming.
So
I
think
that's
where
the
the
staff
time
comes
in
when
you
speak
about
the
letter
of
lien,
perhaps
creating
some
compliance
then
similar
to
the
letter
that
threatens
the
water
shut
off.
N
Then
you
would
get
some
compliance
on
that
way
and
then
you
wouldn't
have
to
proceed
to
a
lien,
but
as
far
as
with
actually
drafting
the
lien
getting
the
lien
recorded
for
each
property
that
that
is
where
we're
looking
at
the
time
to
spend.
It
does
take
quite
a
bit
of
time.
N
N
Well,
we
have,
to
I
mean
for
each
property,
even
with
the
liens
that
we
currently
do
on
for
other
issues
you
have
to.
You
have
to
actually
draft
the
lien,
the
notice
of
the
lien
we
have
to
get
oftentimes.
We
even
have
to
get
an
affidavit
to
go
along
with
the
lien,
so
it's
not
really
cut
and
paste
it.
It
requires
us
to
identify
the
property.
N
B
Okay,
deputy
manager,
stoneback
and
then
councilmember
nissman.
A
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
for
each
lien
you
do
have
to
search
for
the
cook
county
tax
pin
number
for
that
property,
and
you
also
have
to
type
in
the
legal
description
of
the
property
and
the
legal
description
of
a
property
can
be
cumbersome
and
to
make
sure
it's
accurate.
That's
why
I
think
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
just
to
type
all
that
in.
If
you
understand
what
the
legal
description.
E
A
Feet
north
of
the
certain
subdivision,
and
so
I
think
that's
what
can
actually
take
the
time.
Yes.
B
But
the
just
as
a
point
of
information,
the
the
I'm
sorry
the
legal
description
is
available
at
the
recorder
of
deeds
office.
Is
that
not
correct
on
every
deed?
Is
the.
B
I
can
take
my
iphone
and
hover
it
over
something
and
take
the
text
off
of
any
page,
but,
okay
and-
and
I
say
that
to
say
that
I
I
I
don't
think
that
there
is,
if
that's
the
most
complex
thing,
is
getting
the
legal
description
and
that's
what
it
appears
in
the
memo.
I.
B
I
would
just
challenge
that
and
say
that
I
think
it
we
may
have
methods
that
are
easier
to
get
that
legal
description
there
by
cutting
down
the
time
needed
to
process
an
lien,
particularly
once
we
get
to
potential
eighty
percent
of
folks
or
more
complying.
There's
not
a
lot
of
folks
that
we're
talking
about
councilman.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
just
doing
some
quick
math
with
the
numbers
we
have
in
the
memo
here
and
if
we
assume
20
percent,
you
know
non-compliance
after
notice
and
take
the
254
numbers.
The
20
of
that
is
roughly
50
accounts.
D
B
Point
of
information-
and
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
that's
really
key,
because
if
we
look
at
the
cost
of
what
we're
currently
doing
the
shutoffs,
the
shutoff
cost
is
over
four
thousand
dollars
and
so
we'd
actually
have
a
savings
of
just
a
few
thousand
dollars
using
your
math
as
far
as
cost
to
the
city
by
performing
liens,
and
we
would
eventually
recoup
that
two
thousand
dollars
once
you
know
folks
sold
their
property.
That.
B
The
staff
staff
time
I
know
that
you're
going
to
go
there,
but
the
the
other
thing
is
labor
hours
here.
We're
talking
about
a
hundred
hours
of
staff
time
with
this,
and
I
truly
believe
in
our
staff
that
if
the
hardest
thing
is
getting
the
property
description,
I
think
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
that
process
simpler,
because
it
is
provided
on
the
deed.
And
you
know
I
went
through
this
memo
thoroughly
here
and
that's
you
know.
The
other
thing
is
just
getting
the
address.
B
The
pin
I
can
find
the
pin
of
any
address
in
the
city
of
evanston
in
about
30
seconds.
Give
me
an
address,
and
I
can
look
it
up
on
the
about
my
place
and
have
the
pin
the
legal
description
is
provided
by
the
the
county's
office.
We
have
folks
here
who
know
how
much
the
person
owes
in
their
water
fee.
I
think
we
can
figure
this
out
and
create
a
system
that
can
allow
us
to
crank
out
the
liens
a
bit
faster
than
four
hours.
B
Maybe
the
first
lien
that
we
do
will
take
four
hours,
but
I
think
after
you
do
the
first
few
liens
you'll
be
able
to
crank
them
out
pretty
quick,
and
with
that
let's
say
we
just
cut
that
in
half
and
instead
of
four
hours,
we
brought
it
down
to
two
hours
with
that.
We're
already
matching
the
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
for
us,
it's
a
hundred
hours
of
staff,
time
to
shut
someone's
water
off.
B
It's
four
thousand
dollars
that
we
have
to
spend
on
that
in
this
scenario,
if
we
were
to
get
it
down,
half
time,
which
I
think
is
perfectly
possible,
would
be
a
hundred
hours
of
staff,
time
and
half
the
expense
and
we
wouldn't
shut
off
anyone's
water.
D
I'm
doing
some
math
here,
based
on
the
analysis
of
the
current
shutoff
list,
that
was
81
accounts
with
a
total
cost
of
4
700,
some
dollars
that
works
out
to
58
per
account,
and
so
that's
the
number
we're
trying
to
beat
with
a
lean
with
a
lean
approach.
L-I-E-N
lean
approach.
Thank.
B
D
So
of
that
58
we
got
40
for
the
lean,
the
filing
fee
of
the
lane
itself,
which
leaves
18
to
pay
for
staff
time,
and
I
don't
disagree
that
we
could
probably
get
that
down
to
significantly
less
than
four
hours,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
staff
time
in
the
law
department
is
worth,
but
18
of
staff
time
is
is
probably
going
to
go
by
pretty
quickly.
So
I
think
the
lean
concept
was
a
really
good
idea
worth
considering.
G
G
O
G
That's
it
it's
just
it's
not
enough,
it's
not
in
the
middle
right.
Okay.
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
and
then
I
was
curious.
The
last
time
you
remember,
we
recall
we
just
we.
I
asked
what
what
some
of
the
top
amounts
that
people
owe
were
like
even
like
the
top
five
top
ten
would
help
specifically
because
we
we
only
allow
currently,
what
is
it
you
can?
You
can
go
on
a
a
repayment
plan,
but
we
only
do
that
two
years
out
correct.
L
O
G
The
things
that
I'd
like
to
see
at
the
the
next
time
we
discuss
this
council.
F
Guess
I'll
send
this
off
with
a
reminder:
that's
in
the
packet
that,
after
the
notices
that
are
shut
off,
I
think
the
number
to
focus
on
is
80
percent
of
those
folks
pay
right.
So
we're
now
talking
about
20
of
our
residents
so
for
focusing
on
the
20
percent
of
the
residents,
which
is
a,
I
would
like
to
think
a
manageable
number
for
ms
king
and
staff
that
we
realize
for
many
of
them.
F
If
there's
anyone
that
would
qualify
for
our
general
assistance
as
well
as
the
other
programs
that
are
supported,
that
a
lot
of
the
issue
takes
care
of
itself.
So
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
this
is
a
perfect
system,
but
I
will
confidently
say
out
of
all
the
problems
that
I
hear
like
water.
Shutoff
is
probably
at
the
bottom
of
the
list.
F
So
I
appreciate
the
attention
to
this
because
it's
you
know
critical,
but
we
do
have
the
necessary
systems
in
place
in
an
event
that
we
have
to
deal
with
the
20
percent,
and
so
since
I
don't
get
a
lot
of
phone
calls,
I
I
don't
I'll
also
agree
that
what
we're
doing
is
is
working
and
if
there's
someone
else
who
hears
this
and
disagrees,
then
please
contact
me
and
I'll
direct
you
to
our
general
assistant
staff.
Thank
you,
mr
king,
for
your
report
and
follow
up
on
this
you're
welcome.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
I'll
just
say
that
until
you're
the
person
that's
going
without
the
water
for
any
length
of
time.
You
know
it's
certainly
a
dire
situation
then,
and
I
I
I
particularly
want
to
look
at
the
number
of
that.
B
We
know
that
roughly
14
of
our
residents
in
this
city
are
you
know,
low
income
and
struggling
that's
a
a
known
number
and
we
only
have
roughly
17,
maybe
that
number
has
grown
in
the
last
week,
17
folks
that
are
signed
up
for
you
know
some
of
the
reduced
rates
that
are
provided
by
the
water
department.
B
So
when
I
see
that
I
do
see
that
there
is
a
big
disconnect
between
the
goals
that
we
want
to
achieve,
if
there
were
a
thousand
people
signed
up
for
2
000
people,
you
know
we'd
be
really
heading
in
the
right
direction,
but
when
only
17
people
are
signed
up
for
that
program,
that
means
that
almost
everyone
has
fallen
through
the
cracks
councilmember
burns.
G
Is
a
quick
summary
darrell?
What
what
what
outreach
efforts
do
we
do
now
to
to
get
the
17.
O
So
when,
when
a
account
goes
on
a
pass
to-do
list,
we
go
out
and
we
perform
postings
just
reminding
folks
a
minding
accounts
that
their
past
due.
So
we
give
we,
we
post
a
pass
due,
and
we
also
post
information
about
our
livewalk
program,
as
well
as
the
affordable
rate
program.
That
information
is
on
the
city
bills.
We
put
it
on
there.
We've
sent
out
tweets
and
different
things
through
through
the
social
media
that
we
have.
We've
we've
listed
it
in
the
evanston
news
that
goes
out.
O
You
know
every
thursday
we
put
it
there.
We
have
a
water
smart
program
where
you
can.
You
know
measure
how
much
water
you're
using
we're
able
to
send
out
emails
about
these
programs.
We've
done
that
whenever
we
take
a
call
from
a
community
member.
We
we
get
that
information
out
that
way
as
well,
and
we've
shared
these
programs
with
other
departments
that
have
public
facing
opportunities.
G
But
specifically
when
someone
real,
quick
specifically
when
someone
is
is
in
trouble,
are
we
sending
something
directly
to
their
address
to
their
phone
calling
them?
Are
we
doing
any
direct
outreach
when
someone's
in
in
trouble
when.
O
We're
aware
that
someone's
in
need
absolutely
we.
We
refer
them
either
to
health
and
human
services
department
for
emergency
assistance,
if
it's
imminent
or
if
there's
some
time,
we
can
see
if
they
qualify
for
the
la
heat
program
so
that
they
can
get
set
up
with
the
affordable
rates,
as
well
as
the
the
lie.
What
program.
B
O
So
with
folks
that
are
past
due,
we
send
out
information
first
through
the
water
bill.
We
send
out
past
due
notices
so
technically,
before
an
account
is
shut
off.
We
reach
out
to
them
like
five
times
through
water
bills
through
individual
past,
due
notices
through
a
shut
off
notice,
historically,
which
would
be
about
two
or
three
weeks
before
a
shut
off
event,
and
then
the
properties
that
are
our
rental
properties
that
we're
aware
of
we
physically
post
those
buildings
a
week
before
so
there.
O
There
are
like
five
notifications
that
go
out
to
inform
a
property
owner
or
account
holder
of
the
status
of
an
account.
B
B
You
all
right,
may
we,
I
may
have
a
motion
for
apw-2.
A
Thank
you.
We
were
requested.
Staff
was
requested
to
come
up
with
a
plan
where
we
might
take
advantage
of
the
need
to
replace
the
lead
service
lines
and
how
we
could
employ
more
evanston
residents
to
help
assisted
that
program.
So
staff
came
back
with
this
proposed
plan
as
we
hire
full-time
permanent
employees.
We
cannot
have
a
local
residence
requirement,
at
least
not
at
this
time,
but
we
do
have
that
for
our
apprentice
program.
A
So
staff
is
suggesting
that
we
hire
apprentices,
which
are
then
evans
and
residents,
and
we
train
them,
give
them
employment,
train
them
for
a
year
to
to
two
years
and
then
start
filling
some
permanent
positions
in
the
city
that
would
address
the
lead
service
line
replacement,
as
well
as
repairing
the
street
after
the
excavation
to
replace
the
light
service
line.
A
We
would
hire
six
apprentices
as
if,
if
this
program
is
approved
as
soon
as
possible,
get
them
employed
and
start
training
them
on
the
specific
work,
with
replacing
light
service
lines
and
and
doing
street
pavement
patching
and
then
wait
at
least
a
year
to
start
filling
this
position
so
that
those
employees
have
already
gained
the
knowledge
and
expertise
and
how
to
do
that
and
will
generally
be
the
most
found
to
be
the
most
qualified
candidates
to
hire
as
a
full-time
permanent
position.
A
So
that's
the
one
part
of
it.
The
the
other
part
of
it
is
that
we
would
need
to
purchase
equipment
to
to
be
able
to
have
equipment
for
those
two
new
crews
to
use
and
that's
a
cost
of
approximately
nine
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars,
and
we
would
recommend
that
that
money
come
from
the
arpa
funds,
specifically
in
the
arpa
funds.
City
council
directed
six
million
towards
infrastructure.
Three
million
of
that
has
already
been
spent
to
replace
water
main
last
year.
There's
still
three
million
dollars
left.
A
A
And
so
that's
our
proposed
plan.
If
the
city,
if
the
committee
finds
that
to
be
acceptable,
staff
would
come
back
with
the
appropriate
paperwork
to
officially
document
that
the
next
meeting
and
then
get
committee
and
council
approval
to
move
forward,
and
then
we
would
do
so.
G
I
just
wanted
to
to
thank
staff
for
working
on
this.
This
was
a
based
on
a
referral
I
made
back
in
august
to
create
a
lead,
pipe
replacement,
workforce
program.
G
It's
one
thing
for
for
this
legislative
body
to
to
kind
of
dream
big
and
have
these
ideas,
but
it
was
really
staff
that
came
together
to
figure
out
how
to
work
it
out.
So
I'm
really
proud
of
what
this
looks
like
and
what
my
understanding
is,
as
as
stoneback
said,
is
that
this
is
the
the
set
aside.
Is
the
lead?
G
What
I
noticed
early
on
in
my
my
term
is,
I
would
be
riding
my
bike
through
the
neighborhood,
and
I
saw
city
workers
out
replacing
lead
lines
and
I
stopped
on
many
occasions
and
had
really
good
discussions
with
city
staff.
So
I
knew
we
could
do
some
of
the
work
and
and-
and
so
basically
I
you
know-
I
worked
with
daryl
and
dave
to
to
think
about
what
we
could
set
aside
for
evanston
residents.
G
What
could
our
city
employees
train
evanston
residents
to
do
in
regards
to
lead
pipe
replacement,
and
I
was
told
that,
while
they,
you
know,
we
don't
have
city
staff
right
now
that
can
that
can
replace
the
portion
that
are
trained
to
replace
the
portion
between
the
the
the
service
valve
the
buffalo
box
in
the
water
meter
that
they
are
trained
to
do
what
was
earlier
referred
to
as
the
public
side
between
the
service
valve
and
the
water
main,
and
so
we're
talking
about
you
know
annually.
G
I
think
I
saw
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
will
go
to
evanston
residents.
Hopefully-
and
I
think,
if
we're
strategic
about
this,
we
really
can
identify
and
identify
and
encourage
people
to
apply
who
are
coming
from
households
that
might
be
that
might
be
unstable
due
to
economic
hardship
right
and
really
encourage
them
to
apply
for
this
opportunity.
Just
imagine
what
we
can
do
to
stabilize
our
community
if
we're
much
more
specific
about
hiring
locally
with
these
opportunities.
If
you
look
at
the
memo
these
100
000
year
job,
this
is
excellent
work.
G
So
again,
thank
you
to
staff
and
look
forward
to
this
coming
back.
I
think
we
still
need
to
wait
for
for.
B
D
A
Is
correct?
We
get
approximately
68
services
that
break
a
year
in
the
past.
It
was
a
lot
easier
just
to
repair
them
and.
E
A
We're
not
allowed
to
repair
them,
so
that
would
be
68
replacements.
A
A
It
is
staff's
proposal,
and
I
believe
this
has
been
approved,
that
we
decide
that
rep
getting
the
let
out
is
a
public
benefit
and
therefore
the
city
would
pay
that
entire
cost.
That's
why
we're
we're
allocating
200,
I'm
sorry,
two
million
dollars
of
the
remaining
arpa
funds
to
be
able
to
pay
plumbers.
So
our
thought
is,
as
this
line
breaks,
we
want
to
contact
all
the
plumbers
in
evanston
as
well
as
a
few
other
that
might
be
pre-qualified
and
say
this
property
needs
its
led
service
line.
A
Replaced
police
provides
a
quote
within
14
days
to
replace
the
lead
service
line
at
this
home,
because
each
property
has
a
different,
unique
situation.
So
the
plumbers
that
have
the
availability
and
the
time
will
provide
the
city
quotes.
Do
that
the
city
will
look
at
that
and
then
award
it
to
the
company
that
provides
the
best
quote.
That's
for
the
the
private
side.
What
I
refer
to
from
the
home
to
the
service
value
right,
the
city
will
replace
the
other
portion.
D
A
Absolutely
right,
which
is
a
positive
outcome,
so
our
apprentice
program
has
been
very
successful.
We
have
11
apprentices
working
at
the
water
plant
in
either
distribution
sewer
or
at
the
water
plant,
and
that's
like
24
of
the
of
the
water
department
staff.
If
you
take
away
the
management
and
get
down
to
the
union
positions,
that's
36.
We're
up
to
about
30
percent
of
our
union
positions
are
our
apprentices.
A
We
also
have
two
apprentices
working
in
other
departments
within
the
city
actually
for
public
works,
but
in
other
divisions,
and
we
have
three
apprentices
that
are
working
in
other
municipalities
in
the
water
plants
as
well.
So
since
2009
we've
been
very
successful
in
in
getting
the
apprentices,
hired,
training
them
and
and
giving
them.
D
A
A
Right
now
we
recruit
through
the
hr
department
on
our
normal
website,
but
we
have
been
making
the
council
members
aware
when
we
have
these
apprentice
positions
open
and
we
ask
them
to
let
their
constituents
know
about
it
and
apply
it
to
the
position.
If
they're
so
inclined,
yeah.
D
A
D
A
Yes
and
we're
hoping
that
the
infrastructure
bill
rolls
down
from
the
federal
government
to
the
state.
We
anticipate
that
that
will
take
about
two
years.
So
we
think
that
we
have
the
funding
to
get
us
through
for
the
first
two
years.
A
We
will
be
hiring
contractors
at
some
point
to
replace
full
several
full
led
service
lines
as
well,
because
we
would
never
be
able
to
do
that
with
our
own
staff,
with
the
amount
that
we
have
to
do.
You
know
in
34
years
we
have
to
get
everything
right,
so
it'd
be
well
beyond
our
scope.
We're
looking
at
the
60
to
100
services
a
year
that
we
could
do
in-house.
A
A
Going
to
need
to
buy
equipment
again
and
I'm
not
sure
where
that
money
will
come
from,
but
the
the
water
rate
increase
would
cover
the
cost
of
the
employees
and
the
annual
materials
that
we
need
to
do.
A
D
A
A
A
Fortunately,
at
a
conference
we
were
at
last
week
the
we
were
successful
in
removing
the
requirement
the
separation
requirement
between
water
services
and
sewer
services,
so
that
was
a
big
deal
for
us.
We're
going
to
be
able
to
excavate
in
one
location
to
disconnect
the
existing
water
service
and
install
the
new
water
service
instead
of
having
to
move
10
feet
away
from
it.
So
that's
a
big
cost
savings
and.
D
A
A
Well,
actually
in
2022
was
our
first
rate
increase,
I
think
in
seven
years,
so
we
went
up
two
percent
combined
water
and
sewer
rate,
and
but
this
would
be
a
nine
percent
and
then
the
next
time
we're
looking
at
a
water
rate
increase,
it
would
be
offset
by
a
sewer
rate
decrease,
and
then
I
think
it's
if
we
look
at
this
actually
out
30
years
or
so
we're
we're.
Looking
at
about
a
two
percent
rate
increase
every
four
years
is
what
I
think
our
combined
combined.
A
M
A
F
Make
it
quick
just
because
we
have
people
here
in
time,
I
think
and
I'll
ask
darryl
to
understand
the
difference
between
this
and
what
we're
doing
now
and
what
we
have
in
place,
and
I
would
ask
you
know
so.
We
can
definitely
celebrate
this
because
it
is
an
expansion
of
what
we're
doing,
but
I
think
the
important
thing
to
pay
attention
is
when
you
look
at
the
annual
salary
of
who
these
workers
what
they
would
be
paid.
F
If
I
was
in
that
position,
great
sacrifice
would
I
be
able
to
afford
to
pay.
For
my
family
live
in
evanston,
absolutely
not
so
of
their
rent,
I
mean
half
of
their
half
of
their
salary
would
be
paying
rent
with
no
livable
wages
and
again
just
think
your
own
family
and,
if
you're
in
this
situation,
so
I
I
don't
want
to
take
up
any
time
now
because
we're
not
going
to
solve
it.
F
D
O
Yes
and
and
chair
members
of
the
committee,
so
yes,
they
do
receive
health
benefits
during
the
apprenticeship
and
I'm
not.
A
They
do
they're
on
our
mrf
yep
yep
and
we
actually
looked
up
what
the
average
salary
was
for
a
labor
in
the
chicagoland
area,
and
we
are
close
to
paying
that.
So
we
pay
14
an
hour
for
the
first
six
months.
Sixteen
dollars
an
hour
for
the
next
six
months
and
then
eighteen
dollars
an
hour
for
the
last
year
if
they
stick
around
for
the
full
two-year
program
and
that
cost
is
compatible
to
what
an
apprentice
labor
apprentice
would
make
in
the
chicagoland
area.
F
B
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
our
last
thing
is
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
just
very
quickly
an
update
on
the
director
or
manager
stoneback,
an
update
on
the
sewer.
A
Right
and
yeah
and
staff
is,
is
struggling
to
come
up
with
how
to
indicate
that
repairing
a
sewer
service,
which
serves,
which
provides
service
to
only
one
property,
can
be
illustrated
as
a
public
benefit,
and
that's
where
we're
at
right
now.
I
believe
that
you've
been
asked
to
help
us
identify
what
that
public
good
would
be
public
benefit.
G
Just
briefly,
I
did
do
some
some
research
on
the
insurance
side
and
you
know
what
the
what
what
francine
said
is
is
obviously
correcting
that
most
sewer
or
sewer
line
replacement
insurance
programs
cap.
What
they'll
cover
at
ten
thousand-
and
I
call
quite
a
few-
give
you
a
list,
but
I
call
it
at
least
four
insurance
companies
and
none
of
them
will
cover
it.
G
I
was
able
to
talk
to
the
contractor
that
worked
on
her
project
and-
and
he
said
there-
and
I
asked
him-
I
said:
have
you
ever
seen-
worked
on
a
job
where
the
sewer
line
replacement
because
of
the
depth
of
the
of
the
line
was
upwards
of
30
40
000.?
G
He
said
yes,
I
said:
was
there
a
case
where
insurance
covered
it
and
he
said
I
think,
and
then
he
said
the
insurance
company,
which
I
won't
say
that
because
everybody
probably
rushed
into
them-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
true
first,
but
so
there
there
might
be
one
insurance
company
that
that
does
cover
this
and
it
was.
It
seemed
like
a
pretty
well
known
and
established
insurance
company,
so
I
have
a
call
into
them.
G
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
but
but
that'll
help
me
at
least
decide
on
what
I'm
willing
to
support
moving
forward,
not
necessarily
for
francine,
but
what
type
of
financial
assistance
that
I'd
be
willing
to
support
moving
forward.
But
I
did
do
that
research
and
I'm
still
working
on
that.
But.
B
And
that's
all
yeah,
if,
if
I
recall
from
because
I
was
on
the
call
with
you,
if
I
recall,
I
think
even
that
situation
may
have
been
a
particular
situation
that
allowed
that
that
homeowner
to
to
get
that
rate,
I
think
it
was.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
like
a
universal
well.
G
B
Okay,
so
is
there
anything
further
any
further
questions
from
the
committee
on
that
item?
You
know
we're
looking
to
come
back
with
something
to
ensure
that
if
any
other
resident
gets
saddled
with,
you
know
forty
thousand
dollars
in
sewer
repair
debt,
that
the
city
is
there
to
step
in
and
assist
them,
and
so
that's
the
goal
of
that
policy,
and
hopefully
we
can
bring
back
something
soon.
Thank
you.