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A
Good
evening,
everyone
we're
going
to
get
started.
My
name
is
Marty
Lyons
and
the
assistant
city
manager
and
CFO
I'm,
standing
in
for
Dave
stone,
beck,
the
Public
Works
Agency
director
and
author
of
the
along
with
Kumar
Jensen
Paul
D'agostino
of
the
report
that
went
to
Council
on
the
11th,
which
prompted
the
desire
for
this
meeting.
Just
by
way
of
review,
the
city
took
the
additional
step
of
bringing
all
the
information
regarding
our
refuse
cell.
All
of
our
solid
waste
I'll
call
it
that's
contracts
to
the
council
two
weeks
before
asking
for
any
approval.
A
What
was
what
was
generated
out
of
that
then
was
a
desire
to
have
another
meeting
offline,
so
that
residents
would
also
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions
without
the
clock
on.
If
you
will
I
mean
I
will
put
a
clock
on
for
a
really
long.
We
want
questions,
not
necessarily
too
much
commentary,
but
it
is
a
this
is
an
informational
meeting
and
we
do
want
input.
That
is
the
whole
point.
A
As
I
noted
just
before
we
started,
we
will
that
this
is
being
recorded
and
we
will
put
the
presentation
online
and
we
will
also
have,
of
course,
the
reports
that
mr.
stone
Beck
and
his
team
generated
on
September
11th.
Those
will
also
go
back
to
the
Council
on
September
21,
so
I
will
be
going
through
a
presentation.
It's
not
too
long.
It's
about
15
slides.
A
If
you
were
at
the
September
11th
meeting,
you
may
have
noted
that
the
original
the
first
year
RFP
pricing
was
actually
less
than
our
current
year,
but
it
does
have
all
of
the
contracts
have
escalator
clauses
and
if
we
don't
have
any
increases
during
the
life
of
the
contract,
then
the
solid
waste
fund
would
head
further
into
a
deficit
and
I'll
get
into
that.
As
we
go
through
the
presentation.
A
So
as
the
services
were
going
to
discuss,
residential
refuse,
condominium,
refuse
yard
waste
commercial
properties
in
the
food
scrap
program
and
recycling
at
large
apartment
buildings
as
I
hit.
Each
of
these
will
talk
about
whether
they're,
already
in
place
or
whether
or
not
we're
looking
at
something
new,
because
the
request
for
proposal
required
that
all
vendors
respond
to
our
current
services,
but
then
we
did
propose
alternates
that
they
could
respond
to,
but
it's
always
up
to
the
city,
whether
or
not
they
wish
to
take
alternates.
A
So
our
residential
refuse
program,
95,
gallon
cart,
plus
the
30,
gallon
bag
or
and
or
65
gallon
cart
and
additional
carts
of
any
size
are
available
and
I'll
be
going
through
this
and
at
the
end,
are
all
the
fees
associated
with
these.
So
we
didn't
just
leave
the
fees
off
to
have
you
guess:
I
have
a
table
in
about
three
slides
that
shows
what
the
fees
for
all
of
these
are.
A
But
if
you're
not
aware
the
city
works
with
many
many
other
communities
and
we
joined
this
group
a
few
decades
back
swank,
it's
pronounced
none
at
Swansea
and
it's
pronounced
Swank
and
we
all
take
our
solid
waste
that
our
refuse
to
Swank
and
by
doing
so,
have
lower
tipping
fees
than
if
we
were
taking
it
straight
to
a
landfill
they
aggregated,
then
they
haul
it
all.
The
way
to
wherever
the
landfill
is
through
a
more
I
would
say,
a
more
efficient
process
than
us,
taking
our
packing
trucks
and
driving
them
40
miles.
A
That
would
not
be
efficient
on
our
part,
and
if
we
didn't
do
that,
we
would
have
to
have
our
own
large
semis
to
then
distribute
it
and
have
our
own
somewhat
transfer
setup,
which
would
be
difficult,
given
our
space
constraints
at
Public
Works.
So,
as
noted
here,
recycling
material
doesn't
go
to
Swank.
It
goes
to
groots
material
recovery
facility.
A
A
Condominium
refuse
provide
girona
occupied
buildings
with
six
units
or
greater
75%
owner-occupied
twice
per
week
collections,
and
please
note
that
you,
you
had
the
size
of
a
building
but
you're
still
using
carts.
So
this
is
different
necessarily
than
somebody
who
has
a
what
would
be
my
dinner
denomination
of
carts,
a
three-yard,
a
a
larger
dumpster
at
a
commercial
property.
So
that's
why
they
are
put
together
this
way
and
again
in
this
situation.
The
refuse
still
goes
in
this
case.
A
Kumaras
refuse
go
to
Swank,
or
does
that
so
the
commercial
hauler
can
decide
and
then
recycling
materials
would
be
recruits
material
recovery
again
we're
not
talking
about
a
change
in
service
for
the
for
what
was
presented
on
Monday
night
and
will
be
presented
again
on
Monday
night,
so
yard
waste
once
per
week
by
a
contractor.
If
those
of
you
don't
know
the
city
used
to
do
yard
waste,
and
we
quit
doing
it
because
it
was
a
large
source
of
workers,
compensation
claims
that
almost
the
heaviest
thing
we
lift
is
yard
waste.
A
A
He
got
away
as
well.
He
is
our
manager
for
solid
waste,
so
I.
Definitely
we
have
any
detailed
questions.
We've
got
folks
that
answer
them.
So
the
bid
items
bid
item
one
residential
ruffy's,
the
alternates
that
they
provided
pick
up
the
cards
plus
an
additional
three
yards.
We
didn't
like
the
pricing
and
we
kept
the
service.
The
same
alternate
contractor,
picks
up
cart
plus
in
it
any
and
all
additional
legal
debris
again.
A
You
might
think
that's
a
great
all-in
service,
but
it
raises
the
amount
of
costs
that
we
have
as
far
as
what
goes
to
the
landfill
because
other
than
what
we
pay
to
the
contractors,
we
do
pay
swank
for
every
ton
that
we
take
to
them.
So
if
we
had
something
that
was
not
volume
based
in
the
either
one
of
the
alternates,
the
view
would,
if
you
had
a
95,
gallon
cart
and
you
just
put
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
out
there
as
well.
A
A
Questions
are
great
if
I
answer
them
quickly.
It's
not
because
I
want
to
move
on,
so
please
feel
free
to
say,
wait
a
minute
go
over
it
again
and
I'll
be
happy
to
so
again
the
so
you
see
our
quotation,
a
million
five
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
for
that
Kumar
just
to
make
sure
I
get
that's
residential,
refuse
collections
and
then
a
low
proposal
for
recycling,
and
that
is
the
commercial.
A
I'm,
sorry,
it
was
lakeshore,
recycling
and
I
should
have
said.
It's
refuse,
collection
and
I
actually
was
going
to
come
back
and
say
I
didn't
think
we
were
paying
423,000
for
recycling.
So
bid
item
number
three
yard
waste
alternatives.
Right
now
we
have
an
eight
and
a
half
month
yard
waste
season
in
the
middle
there's
no
yard
waste
collections
when
yard
waste
landfills
are
closed
over
the
winter
because
they
can't
actually
spread
and
compost
and
and
do
things
with
the
material.
A
So
we
look,
though,
at
what
would
happen
if
we
shortened
it
that
reduces
cost
it.
It
may
be
in
spring.
We
start
later,
because
there's
not
much
to
pick
up,
then
we
chose
not
to
do
that.
Also,
the
alternate
to
12-month
food
scrap
right
along
food.
Scrap,
for
those
of
you
don't
know,
is
something
we've
studied
quite
a
bit.
We
would
really
Evanston
is
a
green
community,
a
sustainable
community?
A
B
So
the
food
scrap
ride-along
program
refers
to
a
service
where,
if
you
already
have
a
yard,
waste
container
or
you're
allowed
to
put
yard
waste
debris
into
that
container,
and
the
ride-along
component
means
that
you'd
be
allowed
to
then
put
food
scrap
into
that
yard.
Waste
container
that
you
already
have
and
it
can
ride
along
with
the
yard
waste
in
that
service.
So
it's
not
a
separate
container.
C
B
D
A
There's
not
some
it's
an
issue
on
commercial
when
someone
wants
to
replace
their
dumpsters
and
all
of
that
we
have
to
do
a
lot
more
planning
of
the
low
proposal
of
623
677,
and
that
is
a
you
know:
an
annual
cost
again,
the
the
not
recommending
the
alternates
has
a
great
question,
because
it's
the
12-month
adding
the
winter
months
to
the
right
along
when
we
were
actually
saying
we
don't
even
have
the
yard
waste
for
three
and
a
half
months.
So
that's
why
it
is
listed
that
way.
E
This
goes
back
historically,
I'll
give
a
little
comment
to
it,
but
the
comment
is
when
the
city
I
don't
know
how.
Many
years
ago
this
I
was
made
3
B
3
to
5
years
ago
the
city
went
back,
the
city
assumed
a
certain
number
of
yard.
Waste
stickers
would
be
salt
that
never
number
never
materialized.
I
believe
that
the
deficit
was
probably
half
a
million
dollars.
E
Possibly
that's,
and
now
you
can
correct
me
what
the
number
was,
but
I
don't
I
believe
it
was
that
high,
as
it
was
just
an
art
of
a
number
that
wasn't
good.
But
now
we
go
we're
looking
here
in
a
$600,000
number,
four
yard
yard
waste.
That's
the
city,
employees.
What
is
the
cost
in
boozing?
What
are
the
city
I
thought?
The
city
employees
picked
up
the
herbalist
no.
A
A
E
That's
all
so
it's
our
we
I
guess
I
was
gonna.
Ask
the
question
then
how
each
one
of
these
is
basically
a
business
against
each
number.
You
care.
Are
you
lumping
this
together
to
look
at
each
number,
because
the
way
I
understood
it
before
some
of
these
numbers
weren't,
you
know
each.
This
would
be
the
like,
the
city,
employees
number
and
what
they
were
whatever
they
were
getting.
How
did
that
compare
to
like
the
contractors
numbers-
and
this
I
mean
it-
has
an
analysis
if.
A
A
I
mean
the
answer
is
no
the
city
when
we
made
this
switch
and
even
before
that,
originally,
when
the
city
elected
to
outsource
recycling
and
keep
refuse,
there
was
a
goal
to
have
to
not
lose
all
of
the
city
jobs.
We
do
have
a
Evanston
residents
in
the
streets
and
sand
the
sand
part
of
Public
Works
that
there
were
also
Evanston
residents
working,
and
that
was
a
previous
governing
board
decision
to
say.
A
E
F
Question
you
gave
the
numbers
of
properties
or
homes
that
are
pick
up.
The
recycling,
which
is
effectively
the
same
number
of
units
as
refuse
I
mean
I'm,
not
in
the
yard
waste
I'm.
Speaking
to
as
a
residential
numbers.
It
seems
to
me
that
there
are
not
that
many
places
at
it.
There
are
not
that
many
homes
that
actually
use
yard
waste
and
particular
cause
Evanson
has
a
high
number
of
green
screens
people.
They.
B
So
for
the
clarification
on
what
the
number
of
units
mean,
so
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
residential
units,
not
necessarily
building,
so
you
may
have
a
infer
InfraGard
waste,
it's
the
combination
of
the
residential
refuse
and
the
condominium
refuse
all
of
those
residential
units
and
stops
are
eligible
for
yard
waste.
So
the
yard
waste
column
is
essentially
this,
the
total
and
so
the.
So,
if
we
think
about
the
number
of
stops,
that's
a
number
of
buildings
that
could
have
a
yard
waste
cart.
B
There
are
twelve
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fourteen
and
of
those
car
well,
so
they
could.
They
can
have
either
service,
but
the
number
that
actually
have
a
cart
and
pay
for
the
annual
cart
service
is
about
five
thousand
eight
hundred
and
in
those
five
thousand
eight
hundred
units
or
stops
in
this
case
they're
about
six
thousand
two
hundred
cards.
So
most
most
only
have
one
cart.
Some
hat
some
have
more.
A
And
but
this
is
an
important
part
because,
as
another
resident
pointed
out,
the
yard
waste
does
not
operate
at
a
balance.
Are
the
fees
we
are
charging
for
yard
waste
do
not
cover
the
cost
period,
and
that
goes
to
the
twenty
five
dollar
cart
fee.
Not
the
cart
not
to
buy
the
cart
just
the
annual
pickup
fee
and
the
actual
sticker
price,
and,
if
you're,
just
putting
out
a
paper
bag
with
a
sticker
on
it.
A
Neither
our
when
they're,
both
added
they
do
not
cover
the
operating
costs
and
that's
part
of
this
analysis
and
actually
the
the
the
ones
there
wasn't
a
suggestion.
It
was
just
a
piece
of
information
in
the
report
was
that
a
sticker
price
would
have
to
go
up
to
550
or
about
five,
seven,
five,
fifty
to
balance
if
we
were
using
all
stickers-
and
so
that's
that,
but
and
we
know
that
there
are
many
many
communities
with
between
350
and
450
as
a
sticker
price
already.
So
well
that
huge
jump
sounds
unbelievable.
F
Have
a
concern
relative
to
you
know:
are
we
how
ecological
are
we
being
if
a
truck
goes
down
an
alley
and
picks
up
one
bag
or
empties
out?
One
cart
in
that
cart
is
half
full
or
whatever,
and
so
we
were
putting
a
lot
of
diesel
fuel
out
on
the
street
and
to
what
end
are
we
doing
it
and
is
there
been
in
and
out?
Has
there
been
an
analysis
in
terms
of
what
would
be
a
more
efficient
collection
schedules
you
know
less
than
in
in
an
effect
could
actually
lower
the
proposed
cost
of
this.
A
Alright
thought
we
looked
at
bi-weekly
at
some
point,
not
for
yard
waste
and
going
to
the
historical
metric
for
a
lot
of
cities
was
going
to.
The
once-a-week
was
seen
as
a
great
concession,
because
you
still
have
some
communities
that
pick
up
twice
a
week
and
mostly
for
refuse.
But
when
the
city
went
to
once
a
week,
that
was
definitely
a
cost
saving
maneuver
and
it's
it
does
save
costs.
A
But
we
will
make
the
put
the
comment
in
the
record
about
going
to
a
longer
period
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
monolithic
depending
on
the
costs
and
how
we
structure
it.
Can
you
do
weekly
in
the
fall
and
bi-weekly
all
other
times
as
I
had
one
alderman
not
in
this
community,
alderman
rainy
or
suffered
in,
but
another
ultimate
once
said:
you've
got
computers,
so
go
figure.
It
out.
B
B
That
can
be
read
if
you
have
this
or
if
you
have
the
right
technology
and
you're
there's
a
hand
old
reader
and
there's
also
a
truck
reader.
So
when
you're
driving
down,
you
can
actually
collect
information
on
whether
or
not
it's
being
tipped.
Some
are
sophisticated
enough
with
the
truck,
so
you
can
actually
weigh
it
as
it's
being
tipped,
but
the
RFID
technology
is
mostly
a
tracking
and
participation
participation
tool,
but
we
don't
have
that
yet
we're
getting
there.
A
Actually,
we
certainly
hope
not.
Our
goal
is
for
them
to
go
through
some
of
the
same
analysis
that
mr.
Jensen
just
talked
about
that.
If
they
can
figure
out
a
way
that
for
25
stops
the
purse,
stop
tonnage
goes
up.
They
are
saving
money
in
diesel,
so
that
and
then,
therefore
they're
you
know
reducing
their
gas
emissions
so,
but
it
also
could
be
more
simple
things:
what
are
their
routes?
How
are
they
handling
their
overall
collections?
A
We,
you
know,
we've
stayed
away
from
trying
to
determine
what
kind
of
truck
they
do
use,
but
that
is
another
thing
that
you
could
have
a
truck
with
multiple
purposes,
so
they
go
down
the
alley
once
so.
There
are
other
things
to
do,
but
those
kinds
of
solutions
do
have
costs.
If
you
say
in
order
for
to
hit
the
Evanston
business,
you
have
to
bring
in
a
new
fleet
that
they
don't
have
in
use
everywhere
else
are
at
least
our
first
round.
A
I'd
say
our
first
2
to
4
year
cost
would
be
higher
as
we
purchase
that
in
effect
purchase
that
technology
for
our
services,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
keep
going
and
again
we
will
come
back
so
bid
item.
4
was
a
standalone
food
scrap
program.
This
is
a
new
service
that
applies
to
commercial,
since
residential
customers
are
able
to
replace
in
the
yard
waste
carts.
This
was
fairly
complicated
because
we
do
already
have
collective
resources
providing
this
service
on
a
basis.
A
A
So
we
have
200
residents
that
are
already
using
this
smaller
and
the
containers
are
small.
It's
much
more
contained
the
Health
Department
would
say
they
loved
it,
because
it
has
no
chance
for
that.
Food
scrap
material
in
a
yard
waste
to
ever
become
a
health
issue
because
they're
you,
you
pick
it
up.
It's
sealed
it's
a
very
clean
process,
but
it
is
a
price
above
and
beyond
our
other
costs.
What
we're
saying
in
this?
B
So
the
what
staff
is
recommending
is
that
the
standalone
food
scrap
program
be
offered
to
commercial
customers
or
commercial
entities
in
Evanston,
and
so
the
way
that
we
sort
of
the
city
breaks
up
its
different
Solid
Waste
Services.
At
the
moment,
where
we've
only
four
most
of
them,
we've
only
been
out
residential
contracts,
there's
a
whole
nother
group
of
buildings
out
there
that
are
under
the
commercial
franchise.
The
totally
separate
contract
also
helped
by
groups
that
can
be
a
little
confusing
and.
B
It's
not
up
until
2020,
and
so
this
program
would
apply
to
those
buildings
to
the
buildings
that
are
not
talking
about
today,
and
so
the
idea
behind
having
a
service
specifically
for
those
buildings
is
because
the
yard
waste
program,
the
art
waste,
the
food
scrap
right,
along
with
the
yard,
waste
they're
not
eligible
for
that
program,
and
so,
as
we
were
developing
this,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
provided
options
for
all
of
Evanston's
customers
and
user
bases.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
This
contract
goes
further
on
that
regard,
to
say
we're
going
to
put
bonus
and
penalty.
Please
we
realize
that
this
bonus
and
penalty
is
not
large,
but
you
won't
find
them
in
all
contracts.
So
you
have
to
start
somewhere
where
and
if
Groote,
when
you
see
that
168
to
192
miss
pickups
a
quarter,
how
many
pickups
do
we
have
a
quarter?
It's
over
annually,
it's
over
a
hundred
thousand,
so
it's
a
this
translates
into
ninety
nine
point:
five
or
ninety
nine
percent
pickup
efficiency
that
they're
not
missing.
You
know
pickups.
A
So,
while
one
hundred
and
sixty
eight
to
one
ninety
two
sounds
like
a
lot.
Remember
it's
twelve
thousand,
whatever
there
was
eight
hundred
Residential's
every
week.
Take
that
number
alone
we'll
just
take
that
number.
That's
a
little
over
one
percent
for
that
number
alone,
so
I
think
my
math
on
the
fly
is
pretty
good
there.
A
So
again,
eighteen
hundred
dollars
of
bonus
eighteen
hundred
dollars
of
penalty,
neither
one
covers
the
staff
time
involved
and
tracking
down
and
taking
care
of
penalties
and
bonuses,
so
the
giving
them
a
little
bit
more
of
a
bonus
does
not
reflect.
We
will
save
more
money
in
staff
time
than
that
bonus
and
if
there's
penalties
going
on
and
we're
above
that
hundred
ninety
two,
we
will
be
spending
more
time
tracking
those
down
through
three
one,
one
and
other
sources
than
the
eighteen
hundred
dollars.
There
they'll
be
paying
us,
but
it's
a
start.
A
G
A
Did
everyone
hear
the
question
and
that
that
really
happens
through
the
resident
who
I'm
going
to
drool
or
wherever
and
picking
up
a
sticker
and
putting
it
on
the
bag?
And
the
transaction
is
recorded
by
the
city?
But
it's
really
with
our
vendor
and
jewel
and
the
resident
to
transact
that
and
then
we
keep
track
of
all
of
the
stickers
use,
how
much
money
they
have
gotten
paid
and
put
it
into
the
overall
analysis
of
how
are
we
doing
into
mr.
risky's
comment
earlier?
G
A
F
I
just
see
that
the
price
of
going
up
to
550,
which
is
two
and
a
half
times
or
whatever
it
is
currently
is
going,
is
sending
the
wrong
message
to
people
that
actually
take
care
of
their
own
property,
take
care
of
their
own
yard
waste
and
don't
compost
themselves,
and
you
know
facing
me,
you
know
it's
raises
the
cost
of
caring
for
your
your
property
in
you
know
in
the
fall
to
rather
dramatic
levels,
probably
twenty
or
thirty
dollars
increase.
In
order
to
take
care
of
your
leaves.
A
Believe
that
the
the
overriding
reason
is
it's
sustainable
that
we
that
refuse,
unlike
refuse,
that
needs
to
be
contained
and
will
not
break
down
for
many
years,
that
goes
into
a
landfill
and
is
safe.
The
biodegradable
for
lack
of
I'm,
sorry,
that's
an
old
school
term
Kumar.
What
should
I
use,
what
terms
should
I
use,
but
that
terminology
that
that
waste
breaks
down
in
that
season
and
just
like
the
clippings.
So
we
want
that
extra
tonnage
out
in
that
field
and
not
in
the
in
the
landfill
and
so.
B
A
point
of
clarification
about
the
commercial
food
scrap
program,
the
city's
not
actually
paying
for
that
service,
so
the
the
act
we
will
be
set
is
through
the
bid
process.
We
set
a
negotiated
rate
between
the
city
and
the
hauler
and
then
it's
up
to
its
a
subscription-based
service,
so
any
any
eligible
property.
In
this
case,
it's
commercial
property
can
opt
in
and
subscribe
for
that
service.
B
A
A
F
F
And
you
know
we're
all
contributing
to
it.
In
fact,
you
know
it.
It's
it's.
My
fear
is,
is
that
people
are
gonna
part
gonna
not
like
the
idea
about
550
and
start
using
the
regular
garbage
collection
for
their
waste
and
who's
really
checking
that
and
they
won't
be
in
paper.
Bags
will
be
in
plastic
bags
and
nobody's
open
to
plastic
bags
right.
E
As
the
city
done,
an
analysis
like
will
Matt
that
they,
you
know
they
come
around
and
they
basically
take
your
leaves
once
or
twice
during
this
football
cycle
and
take
them
away
these
other
suburbs.
Do
that
a
lot
of
them.
Has
the
city
done
that
analysis
to
look
at
that
really,
the
reduction
of
all
take
all
these
leaves
I
suspect
you
haven't,
but
that's
a
different
cost
and
what.
E
What
I'm
saying
is
that's
a
different
strategy
or
how
they're
taking
the
waste
this
up
and
Wilmette
they
come
by
with
big
trucks
with
suck
vacuums
they
suck
up
all
the
leaves
the
residents
push
them
to
the
curb
the
city
comes
by
and
takes
them
all.
I
see
that
moment.
I
just
think
it's
in
Winnetka
all
along
the
North
Shore.
You
don't
have
this
yard
waste
cart
system.
You
have
that
so
I'm
asking
and
then
I
think.
Maybe
they
have
bags
if
they
want
to
put
out
branches,
but
I've
see
bags
out
there.
A
F
A
So
I
mean
I,
shouldn't,
say
right:
different
philosophies
right
now
the
city
would
like
to
be
part
of
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
density
too.
We
want
to
end
the
time
for
the
cruise
we've
chosen
to
outsource
the
operation,
given
our
current
size
of
people
that
we
would
then
do
that
analysis,
how
many
more
staff,
how
many
more
pensions?
A
And
I'll
handle
the
one
part
we
did
talk
with
the
city's
Health
Department
before
moving
down
this
path
of
having
that
the
food
scraps
in
with
the
lawn
clippings
are
in
with
the
leaves,
and
they
said
if
it's
in
the
container
that
it's
supposed
to
be
in
and
it's
picked
up
on
the
weekly
basis.
They
did
not
have
a
concern
and
those
are
the
folks
that
are
a
part.
They
are
our
team
that
goes
out
and
handles
all
of
the
the
rat
abatement.
So.
A
Alright,
I'm
going
to
hit
I've
got
just
a
couple:
more
slides,
I
think
I
had
14
so
recycling
at
large
apartment
buildings.
We
are
looking
as
you
can
see.
We
have
more
than
this
amount,
but
we
are
looking
at.
We
do
a
pilot
program,
six
units
or
greater
looking
at
another
150
apartment
buildings
with
six
years
or
greater.
Do
not
have
this
opportunity
we're
recommending
to
your
point
about
charging
commercial
that
they
in
fact
start
paying
for
a
per
unit
fee
for
the
recycling
and
I.
Think
that's
important.
A
A
We
call
it
a
water
bill,
but
it
has
three
things:
solid,
waste,
recycling,
water
and
sewer,
and
they
call
those
enterprise
funds
they're
supposed
to
operate
like
a
business,
the-
and
in
this
case
the
solid
waste
fund
when
I
was
originally
set
up.
You
had
an
operation
and
I'll
do
some
round
numbers.
If
the
operation
was
five
million
dollars,
it's
a
little.
It
was
less
back
then,
because
we've
had
some
inflation,
but
a
lot
of
the
costs
of
the
solid
waste
operation
was
subsidized
by
the
general
fund,
meaning
sales
tax
property
tax
income
tax.
A
All
these
taxes
that
went
into
our
general
fund
were
used
to
help
pay
for
this
operation,
because
the
fees
were
not
high
enough
to
cover
it.
When
we
made
the
change
to
a
solid
waste
fund,
the
city
chose
to
only
raise
the
fees
high
enough
to
pay
about
80%
of
total
costs.
So
go
back
to
your
five
million
dollar
analysis.
That
meant
the
general
fund
still
had
to
give
a
million
dollars
for
solid
waste
operations.
A
It
was
in
a
new
place
in
the
city's
books,
so
we
had
to
do
this
transfer
of
a
million
fifty
five
thousand
with
that
transfer.
Every
year
the
solid
waste
fund
operates
had
a
little
surplus,
meaning
that
we
chose
the
right
amount.
It
originally
was
1
million.
Two
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
we've
been
able
to
cut
it
down
because
the
operation
operates
at
again
a
little
bit
of
a
surplus
with
this
help.
A
Well,
our
goal
is
is
to
have
an
analysis
where
we
look
at
the
rates
to
determine
whether
we
should
have
another
revenue
source
other
than
this
internal
transfer
between
one
fund
and
another.
We
should
pick
an
external
revenue
and
make
the
solid
waste
fund
operate
like
a
business,
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
right
now
and
one
other
very
important
point
is,
even
though
our
rates
I
started
it
off
this
way,
our
rates
for
2017-18
are
going
to
be
less
than
1617
by
just
a
little
bit.
A
So
at
the
council
meeting
we
talked
about
a
few
options.
The
council
did
not
talk
about
a
do-nothing
we.
We
have
just
provided
that
as
if
we
do
nothing,
here's
overtime
with
the
next
contract,
the
gains
that
the
solid
waste
fund
has
had
over
the
last
five
years
in
trying
to
erase
its
deficit
will
be
lost
and
I'll
have
a
little
table.
That
shows
that
so
in
order
to
cover
the
costs
and
make
the
solid
waste
fund
a
business
fund,
you
can
look
at
a
variety
of
revenue
sources.
A
One
is
to
change
the
fees
so
that
the
fees
cover
all
of
our
recycling,
all
of
our
solid
waste.
All
of
our
refuse
all
the
costs.
Another
way
is
you:
could
the
the
general
fund
used
tax
dollars?
You
could
use
tax
dollars
in
the
solid
waste
fund.
To
do
the
same
thing
say
we
are
going
to
have
a
tax
along
with
the
current
fees
and
that's
how
the
solid
waste
fund
will
be
solvent
and
I
will
look
a
lot
easier
to
understand.
A
Once
I
show
a
couple
of
tables
and
then
the
last
I'm
sorry
and
then
another
option
is
to
do
a
mix.
So
you
could
raise
the
rates
to
cover
it.
You
could
raise
a
tax
to
cover
it
or
you
could
do
a
mix.
The
purpose
for
looking
at
a
property
tax
increases
property
taxes.
If
you're
itemizing
are
deductible
on
your
income
tax,
whereas
payments
to
for
you
know
for
a
yard
waste
or
for
any
of
these
containers
is
not
deductible.
A
So
what
does
it
look
like?
Remember
me
saying
it
was
a
five
million
dollar
operation,
so
you
can
see
in
2018
total
operating
costs
just
under
five
million
and
what
we
are
looking
at
is
we
had
a
that
negative
eight
hundred
thousand
when
we
started
out
in
2011
that
negative
eight
hundred
wasn't
negative
1
million
four
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand,
so
the
fund
has
operated
in
the
black
but
started
in
a
big
red
hole,
so
we've
operated
well
over
the
last
six
years,
but
this
is
where
red
so
2018
revenues.
A
If
we
keep
doing
the
transfer
as
it
is,
we
will
eat
into
that
balance
because,
as
I
noted,
the
fees
are
actually
going
to
be
a
little
bit
less
for
1718.
It
starts
November
first,
so
that's
good
news,
but
you
can
see
right
away
in
2019
the
fees
go
up,
the
transfer
stays
the
same
and
all
of
a
sudden
were
just
barely
balanced
and
no
longer
reducing
our
deficit
and
in
2020
we
actually
fall
behind
another
110,000.
A
So,
given
that
what
would
it
look
like
if
we
had
a
mix
of
property
tax
increases
and
rate
increases?
So
this
is
a
no
there's,
a
lot
of
numbers
up
there
again
I
again:
I'm
Marty,
Lyons
I'm,
the
CFO
I'm
happy
to
you
call
3-1-1
and
get
a
request
in
to
me:
I'll
be
happy
to
explain
it.
Dave,
stone,
Beck
and
I
worked
on
this
directly.
A
He
can
explain
this
as
well,
but
when
you
look
at
this,
we're
looking
at
a
fee
increase
in
this
one
of
nine
percent
and
then
that's
the
proposed
increase,
tells
you,
then
the
middle
column
tells
you
the
2018
rate
and
what
is
what
will
be
generated
and
then
down
at
the
bottom
by
starting
at
the
bottom,
but
right
dead
in
the
middle
you
see
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
dollars
the
city's
tax
levy,
just
the
city's.
So
not
the
library,
not
the
school's,
just
the
city's
is
just
over
forty
million
dollars.
A
So
a
1/2
of
a
percent
tax
increase,
there's
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
dollars.
You
take
that
and
that
goes
across
all
residents,
and
you
take
that
and
you
add
it
into
the
equation
and
we
go
from
eight
hundred
thousand
down
to
a
negative
three
hundred
and
twenty
one.
And
it's
we
don't
do
this
just
so
on
paper.
We
can
have
a
lower
negative
balance.
A
A
We
had
when
we
did
the
commercial
franchisee.
There
were
probably
few
exemptions,
but
northwestern
was
one
of
them.
There
are
a
few
other
businesses
that
got
exempted
as
well,
and
sometimes
it
was
because
they
were
part
of
a
national
franchise
and
they
already
had
a
national
contract
with
someone.
So
we
didn't
make
them
choose
the
Evanston
commercial
franchise.
A
I
I
see
things
will
change
and
price
will
go
up.
I
see
that
my
question
is
what
about
education?
What
do
we
plan
to
educate
people
to
know
exactly
what
to
do?
Cuz,
I
I
know,
I,
didn't
know
what
to
do
when
I
came
here,
I'm
not
from
here
and
I,
had
to
be
educated
and
I'm
lucky
enough
to
have
someone
at
home.
That
knows
what
to
do,
but
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
people
know
know
that.
So
what
is
the
plan
for
education?
My.
B
That's
a
really
good
question,
I
think
for
different
programs.
You
need
different
types
of
education,
and
so
the
city
has
a
lot
of
materials
that
are
specifically
related
to
recycling,
and
so
we
do
work
to
disseminate
those
materials.
We
have
been
doing
some
more
web-based
things
like
we
just
did
a
recycling
educational,
video
that
focused
on
a
few
specific
items
that
were
sort
of
that
we
deemed
were
harder
for
people
to
kind
of
understand
as
to
whether
or
not
they
were
recyclable
or
what
what
to
or
not
to
do
with
them.
B
If
we
move
forward
with
any
of
the
food
scrap
operations,
that's
definitely
gonna
require
a
substantial
outreach,
an
education
effort,
and
we
would
certainly
anticipate
that.
Not
just
being
you
know,
including
something
in
your
water
bill,
but
also
including
some
additional
information
and
opportunities
for
interaction,
so
attending
board
meetings
in
trying
to
work
with,
particularly
some
of
the
larger
properties
that
may
be
may
be
rolling
out.
This
type
of
service
so
takes
a
lot
of
different
things.
B
A
We
would
also
continue
to
use
social
media
and
other
tools
for
those
many
thousand
residents
who
have
signed
up
for
Twitter
and
Facebook,
etc.
One
of
our
great
successes
is
those
that
sign
up
for
the
schedule
for
when
we're
going
to
be
doing
street
cleaning
and
you
get
a
text
that
says,
move
your
car,
you
don't
have
to
know
what
the
sign
said.
The
text
says,
move
your
car
and
that
helps
our
ticket
revenue
went
down.
A
Our
complaints
went
down
and
I
think
that
from
an
educational
standpoint
we
would
also
continue
to
use
that
to
say,
did
you
know
or
if
we
have
a
change,
especially
as
Kumar
pointed
out
the
food
scraps?
Please,
if
you're,
if
you
use
a
cart
for
your
yard,
waste,
consider
putting
it
into
the
yard
waste
and
that's
important,
a
big
part
of
that
is
we
didn't
talk
about
it,
but
we
pay
swank
for
all
the
tonnage
that
goes
to
that,
but
we
don't
pay
a
separate
fee
for
what
goes.
That's
all
included
in
our
pickup
right.
E
Marty,
what
I
see
here
again
is
with
all
this
analysis.
The
city
does
what
the
city's
analysis
always
wants
to
take
the
money,
what
I
don't
see
in
any
of
the
city?
Analysis
and
I've
talked
a
long
time
about
the
water
rates
in
the
water
department,
how
it
operates
which
is
going
to
be
the
billing
source
of
this,
and
you
know
my
position
on
that.
E
A
E
E
Say
you
do
not
have
real
costs
collected
on
many
items
in
the
budget,
I
mean
there's
political
things
here
that
are
going
on
so,
but
but
what
you're?
Basically
we're
in
a
budget
hole
again
because
of
what's
happened
and
you're
looking
for
a
source
of
revenue
to
pick
this
hole
up-
and
this
is
one
of
the
sources
you've
come
to-
and
this
is
what's
happening.
A
That
is
a
mix.
The
cost
is
just
the
total
operating
cost.
The
1
million
is
what
helps
us
to
pay
for
it.
We
are
trying
to
show
on
this
slide
how
the
the
transfer
combines
with
any
other
fee
and
remember
this
is
do
nothing,
meaning
that
the
costs
are
this,
so
I
asked
staff
to
not
give
me
a
table
that
had
so
many
lines
that
the
font
might
bound
up
this.
A
It's
inferred
that
the
five
million
165
that
revenues
will
be
five
million
about
four
hundred
thousand,
and
so
we
we
can
go
ahead
and
make
that
adjustment
in
the
per
and
the
presentation
where
we
will
go
ahead
and
what
it
would
be
as
closer
to
in
the
current
year
of
that
year,
it's
going
to
be
about
four
mil:
4.4
million,
plus
a
million
fifty
five
minus
the
5
million
165
I'll.
Add
that
line.
C
A
Do
do
a
new
resident
postcard,
still
yeah,
we
we
said
and
our
postcard
that
used
to
be
you'd
get
a
new
resident
booklet
that
was
this
thick
and
it's
gotten
so
small,
because
it's
a
card
that
says
here's
the
link,
here's
where
you
go
for
all
the
detail,
if
you
don't
have
a
computer,
here's
the
Evanston
library,
here's
all
the
places
that
you
can
get
access
or
please
call
3-1-1,
and
we
will
walk
you
through
everything.
You
need
to
know
how.
A
And
so
it
can't
get
challenging
in
our
multifamily
and
commercial
units
with
renters
moving
in
and
out,
and
we
do
try
and
reach
out
to
everyone
on
that
subject
and
in
some
cases
as
you've
seen,
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
programs,
so
there
wasn't
even
a
program
necessarily
for
them
to
be
involved.
So,
whereas
we
expand
that
we
will
expand
the
education
all
in
a
great
way.
J
In
because
I
know,
we
keep
good
track
of
those
numbers.
Is
there
a
place
in
the
budget?
That's
online
that
would
break
down
the
expenses,
the
total
operating
cost,
or
is
that
something
that
you
can
provide
at
a
later
date,
because
I
agree
if
to
try
to
put
all
that
information
on
one
slide
gets
to
be
difficult
to
read
in
a
large
setting
like
this.
But
how
do
we
get
that
information
out
to
the
public
or
the
folks
that
are
here.
A
We
will
do
I
won't
guarantee
if
I
opened
up
the
budget
black
write
that
every
line
was
cut,
so
we
will
cover
by
pro
by
program
what
the
costs
are
at
the
end,
the
revenues
perfect
and
then,
depending
on.
If
we
like
that
look,
I'll
change
the
budget
to
also
make
sure
it
says
that
going
forward.
That
would
be.
J
A
K
A
J
C
A
Come
our
it
has
included
in
two
point
earlier
about.
We
should
raise
the
refuse
to
cover
certain
costs,
that's
what
we
do
now
and
I
would
submit
to
you
in
some
respects.
Our
in-house
recycling
is
about
a
million
dollars,
the
the
business
unit,
and
it's
right
there,
the
general
fund
transfer,
so
that's
still
being
paid
for
out
of
taxes
and
not
out
of
fees.
Thank
you.
Have
you
got
some
more
questions
over
on
this
side.
D
Recycling
should
be
a
revenue
source
instead
of
a
cost.
How
have
we,
as
a
city,
tried
to
flip
that
around
so
it's
more
revenue
positive,
as
opposed
to
cost
negative
I
mean
that
goes
to
education
and
also
you
know
types
of
materials
if
they're
commodities
right
they
fluctuates.
So
when
you
set
something
up
assert
at
a
certain
time,
it
may
change.
So
how?
How
static
is
that
program
and
I
guess
how
where's
the
deficit
for
recycling,
because
that
seems
like
an
actual
opportunity
to
reduce
cost
and
raise
revenue?
A
And
cost
the
the
recycling.
You
really
summed
it
up
very
well,
it's
a
commodity.
It
changes
what
we
would
get
for
a
truck
full
of
aluminum.
It's
not
what
we
would
have
gotten
when
recycling
was
the
rage
and
this
city
went
all-in
with
the
recycling
center
and
we
abandoned
that
and
went
to
this,
because
the
revenues
associated
with
recycling
have
just
gone
so
far
down
Coomer
can
address
some.
You
know
some
specifics
as
to
why
that
is.
But
we
do
not.
A
We
can
that's
something
that
you
have
access
to
a
lot
of
industry
reports
that
says
what's
happening
to
municipal
recycling
and
what
can
you
do
and
what
can't
you
do
if
we
were
doing
recycling
outsource,
it
would
just
be
embedded
in
the
cost
and
we
would
see
probably
a
net
for
that
revenue.
But
we
would.
We
would
have
it
as
a
line
item
on
the
invoice,
but
it
still
wouldn't
cover
the
costs
on
an
outsourced
program
either.
A
D
B
So
to
that
specific
issue
yeah,
so
all
of
all
of
Evanston's
recycling
goes
to
a
large
facility
to
mix
with
everyone
else's,
and
so
the
reports
that
we
get
back
from
that
facility
don't
tell
us
what
Evanston
specific
numbers
are.
They
do
tell
us
the
tonnage
of
you
know
how,
when
the
truck
comes
in,
how
much
it
weighs
and
when
the
truck
goes
out
empty,
how
much
it
weighs.
So
we
do
know
from
a
weight
standpoint
how
much
we
have,
but
from
the
standpoint
of
you
know,
how
do
we
make
improvement
on
that?
B
One
thing
that
we
do
have
in
this
contract
is
what
are
called
waste,
characterization
studies,
and
so
this
is
an
analysis
that
contract
the
contractors.
The
haulers
will
be
doing
on
the
garbage
stream
to
try
to
understand
what
the
makeup
of
that
garbage
is
so
to
see
if
there
are
things
that
shouldn't
even
be
being
landfill
that
are
making
it
in
there,
how
much
of
that
waste
could
be
recyclable,
and
that
gives
us
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
potential
is
to
increase.
But
it
doesn't
necessarily
tell
us
exactly:
what's
in
our
recycling
stream.
J
Appreciate
the
question
I
think
in
my
mind
the
simple
solution
to
that:
should
we
ever
go
down
that
path,
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
just
to
make
it
clear.
Is
we
charge
for
our
waste
cans,
which
you
see
on
your
water
bills?
So
you
know
the
difference
between
I
think
it's
65
and
85
and
the
costs
associated
with
it.
So
for
the
recycling
bin
we
don't
charge
and
you
can
a
resident
who
has
a
home?
Not
a
renter
can
have
multiple
recycling
bins.
J
A
J
J
J
A
A
So
until
they
offer
that
and
this
technology
I
talked
with
them
about
three
years
ago
at
they'll
start
at
the
last
contract.
So
it
is
out
there,
but
again,
if
you're,
the
first
one
into
the
pool
you're
paying
for
the
tech
upgrade
and
it's
going
to
benefit
us,
but
so
we
just
need
to
watch
the
market
so
that
we're
on
the
cutting
edge,
not
the
bleeding
edge.
L
So
groots,
not
the
only
recycling
center
in
town
I
mean
it
has
there
been
I,
mean
I,
know,
obviously,
that
they're
doing
the
commercial
recycling,
so
that
makes
sense
that
that
would
be
going
there.
But
you
know:
lakeshore
has
a
recycling
center,
I,
don't
know
who
else
has
a
sorting
Center?
Where
you
know
so
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
can
be
will
be
looked
at
as
far
as
competitive
repricing.
L
B
Why
would
also
just
say
to
mr.
Kaplan's
question
I
think
the
from
from
what
from
the
research
I've
done,
the
way
to
increase
revenue
from
the
commodities
that
are
being
recycled
so,
for
example,
white
paper,
so
white
paper?
If
it's
clean
is
one
of
the
highest
priced
commodities,
because
it
can
be
reused
pretty
easily
if
it
doesn't
have
grease
or
you
know,
other
sort
of
contaminants
on
it.
B
The
issue,
as
you
noted
in
some
of
our
email
communications,
is
that
there's
contamination
of
that
that
stream
and
so
the
way
to
increase
the
price
of
the
commodity
at
the
local
level,
is
for
us
to
source
separate
and
then
sell
that
stuff
off.
You
know,
separately
to
you,
know,
paper
mills
or
whoever
is
going
to
take
that
in
terms
of
increasing
the
revenue
from
the
commodity,
and
we
just
opted
not
to
do.
A
Cost-Benefit
on
source
separating
for
our
labor
and
our
equipment
here
versus
all
into
one,
and
we
and
then
you
there's,
that's
part
of
the
thing
is:
can
it
be
source
separated
more
efficiently
at
a
transfer
station
at
that
place
and
we're
so
small
compared
to
a
larger
operator?
We
think
that
it
would
be
better
for
them
to
be
able
to
again,
because
you
point
out
count
our
truck
source
separate
that
was
Evanston.
A
Next
truck
is
in
from
Skokie
fine,
it's
got
an
RFID
that
goes
to
them,
and
this
is
a
matter
of
us
working
that
part
of
it
as
we
move
forward.
I
do
want
to
try
and
get
to
where
at
about
8:15
I
wanted
to
try
and
get
through.
Usually
this
happens
to
the
CFO.
His
financial
reports
show
up
at
the
end
of
the
council
meeting
if
he
doesn't
get
through
the
financial
report.
Again,
do-nothing
means
that
that
we're
not
going
to
make
headway
and
it
won't
go
away.
A
We
will
end
up
with
a
future
budget
deficit
that
we
have
to
try
and
figure
out
so
to
your
point
about:
where
is
the
property
tax?
So
in
this
one?
This
is
a
mix.
The
first
line
is,
you
can
see
a
nine
percent
rate
increase
from
seven
to
1790
for
the
95
gallon
to
1950
and
to
6/8
65
for
that
year,
and
then
you
go
down,
and
you
see
that
there
is
also
changes
in
the
from
$25
a
cart
to
50
from
yard
waste
stickers.
A
Now
we're
not
saying
go
from
a
buck
75
to
550,
it's
a
gradual
just
recognizing.
We
need
to
work
on
it.
The
men
taking
the
general
fund
transfer
from
a
million
55
down
to
seven
hundred,
but
literally
have
a
direct
deposit
of
property
taxes
of
205.
Remember
I
said
that
our
tax
bill
was
about
41
million,
so
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
for
that
half
percent
you
put
those
together
and
we
go
from
eight
hundred
down
to
three
hundred
and
twenty
one
thousand.
A
You
think
that
key
did
we
have
to
make
that
big
of
a
jump
the
first
year?
Well,
remember
the
costs
will
keep
going
up,
so
the
amount
of
decrease
we
have
over
each
year
does
that
the
our
headway
gets
smaller.
You
go
to
2019.
The
the
rate
is
still
the
same.
We're
spreading
it
out,
so
if
the
rate
doesn't
change,
you
can
see
what
happens.
A
We
add
another
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
for
another
half
percent
property
tax,
but
the
costs
went
up
such
that
our
gain
went
from
478
down
to
302,
but
we've
almost
got
the
solid
waste
fund
balanced
and
again
our
goal
was
to
do
this
on
a
slow
curve
that
we're
not
trying
to
jump
up
to
balance
and
ask
for
a
million
dollars
to
balance
the
solid
waste
fund,
we're
going
to
do
it
over
a
few
years.
So.
Lastly,
what
happens?
A
If
you
keep
the
rates
exactly
the
same,
get
rid
of
the
general
fund
transfer
and
put
a
1%
property
tax
increase
in
each
year,
18,
19
and
20.
So
by
the
end
of
20,
that's
the
3%
increase
in
the
property
taxes,
and
that
goes
a
little
bit
slower
and
you
can
see
that
our
gain
is
less,
but
it
does
keep
moving
us
in
right
direction
and
you
may
we
may
need
to
look
at
for
a
next
contract
or
2021
for
rate
increases.
We
did
look
at
for
the
most
part.
A
Our
rates
are
average
and
you'll
find
other
rates
for
the
monthly
hauling,
some
of
those
that
are
much
higher
still
involved
two
times
a
week
or
backyard
collections,
those
other
additional
services.
Otherwise
we
are
right
in
the
the
middle
of
the
pack
for
services.
So
so
this
part
again,
this
wasn't
an
answer
to
how
do
we
get
solid
waste
fund
self-sufficient
over
the
next
three
years
so
that
it's
not
a
budget
hole
and
that
we
can
operate
that
as
a
business?
And
this
is
how
we
we
do
it
so
this
last
one
is
all
rates.
A
So
if
we
didn't
do
anything
with
property
taxes
and
put
it
all
on
the
rate,
it's
a
nine
percent
increase
from
17
to
a
an
eight
percent
increase
from
18
to
19
zero
in
the
in
2020.
But
you
can
see
what
happens.
We
go
from
800,000
in
the
red
down
down
and
then
back
up
again.
The
first
year
we
don't
have
an
increase
because
costs
will
go
up
in
our
costs
will
go
up.
We
have
labor
agreements
with
our
Public
Works
staff.
Those
costs
will
go
up,
so
this
is
not
just
villainizing
our
contractor.
A
For
wanting
to
have
a
minimum
cost
increase
of
2%,
we
do
it
there's
a
lot
of
labor
there's
the
equipment
that
gets
replaced.
We
would
love
to
see
the
technology
bring
those
costs
down,
though,
as
well
that
if
they
can
use
better
trucks,
use
smarter
equipment,
then
you
know
we
think
about
all
the
ways
that
this
equipment
can
be
picked
up.
Remember
at
one
point
in
time
how
long
ago
that
we
had
two
to
three
people
on
a
truck
and
now
one
and
that's
all
technology
driven,
so
those
are
huge
savings
that
we've
had.
A
Really
appreciated
everybody,
you
know
having
good
good
questions
and
again,
if
you
have
questions
I'll
get
everyone's
here.
If
you
have
questions
afterwards,
then
please
get
them
two
three
one
one
or
two
Kumar
myself,
but
please
get
them
to
us
that
way.
We
have
them
for
the
next
council
meeting.
Yes,
sir,
how.
A
Advertise
for
the
RFPs
per
the
city's
purchasing
policy,
so
we
advertise
and
makes
in
local
paper
sorry
and
in
demand
star,
which
is
a
service
that
all
the
big
carriers
look
at,
because
a
lot
of
municipalities
using
we
had
a
very
competitive
process
and
sometimes
Evanston
can
be
a
victim.
We
think
our
location
is
always
an
asset.
Sometimes
it's
not
if
it's
hard
for
a
carrier
to
get
in
and
out
of
Evanston
to
where
they're
delivering
their
waste.
A
L
A
A
Then,
if
we
pick
it
up
every
week
and
week
and
it's
inside
the
container
we'll
be
in
good
shape
and
again,
I
did
give
a
clear
plug
that
the
small,
the
you
know
the
service
is
tighter.
I
mean
it's
tighter
than
a
fruit
scraps
inside
a
yard
waste
that
no
doubt
about
it.
So
and
I
heard
your
request
that
we
should
do
advertising.
Regarding
that
program,
very
good
choice
of
words,
my
apologies
I
know,
you're,
not
asking
but
I
know
you're,
not
asking,
but
that
was
that
was
definitely
Freudian
on
the
part
of
the
finance.
B
E
I
want
to
ask,
since
you
believe
the
source
should
be
the
taxes
of
raise
our
property
tax.
This
is
gonna,
go
against
the
water
bills.
Now
the
water
fund
takes
three
million
dollars
out
of
it,
transfers
it
to
the
general
fund.
You'll,
say
that's
for
operations.
Now
we
have
new
contracts.
We've
got
new
business,
so
we're
supposed
to
have
this
so-called
profit
that
you
know.
I
went
through
movement
enough
meetings,
I
heard
all
this
profit
was
coming
our
way
so
you're
taking
this
out
over
five
years.
E
E
The
issue
here
is
really
we're
supposed
to
get
this
big
profit.
So,
but
you
want
to
tax
us,
but-
and
that's
been
my
issue
for
a
long
time
with
the
water
fund,
though
the
water
fund
is
not
a
business
either.
Unfortunately,
it's
claimed
to
be
a
business
by
the
city,
not
operating
as
a
business
claimed.
E
That's
another
question,
but
I
think
the
other
issue
Marty
that
you're
not
telling
us
when
you
did
the
budget
presentations
on
the
Capitol.
Recently
you
didn't
put
robber
crown
in
the
basically
the
budget
and
the
cost
that's
going
to
be,
and
you're
not
gonna
cover
the
full
cost.
So
our
task,
our
property
taxes,
are
going
up
because
you
know
the
gifts
are
not
enough
to
cover
the
cost
of
that.
You
didn't
bother
to
say
it
was
330
million
or
40
million
or
whatever
it
was
that
wasn't
even
there.
E
So
we're
not
just
talking
about
property
taxes
here,
we're
talking
about
prop
other
property
taxes
that
are
going
to
get
increased
with
with
this.
So
there's
a
bigger
property
tax
increases
to
come.
So
when
the
council
thinks
about
all
this,
they
better
realize
this
is
not
just
the
only
property
tax
they're
gonna
be
looking
at
on
these,
and
you
know
as
a
total
tax,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
because
there
are
a
few
councilmembers
here.
A
F
Comment,
since
our
council
members
here,
is
that
we
really
don't
need
another
tax,
invisible
tax
that
we're
paying
for
it
at
that
one
or
two
or
three
percent
that'll
eventually
go
towards
refuse
collection
seems
to
me.
It's
a
much
more
clearer
message
to
each
individual
citizen
or
homeowner
or
resident
in
the
city.
F
Is
that
if
they're
paying
for
refuse
collection,
that's
what
it
costs
for
refuse
collection
and
if
it's
buried
within
the
taxes,
suddenly
everything
else
gets
mixed
up
and
we
have
no
idea
what
where
the
real
costs
are,
and
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
or
responsibility
to
keep
an
eye
on
what
the
costs
are.
I
mean
that's
pretty
practical,
I
drove
you
know.
A
A
A
A
And
again
I,
we
really
want
to
know
about
those
that
have
literally
any
higher
recycling
contribution
back
to
them
than
what
we're
getting,
because
we
would
want
to
that
goes
into
what
another
person
to
know
that
there's
more
than
one
game
in
town
for
the
collection
of
the
recycling.
So
we
will
look
at
that
because
it
is
kind
of
a
net.
How
much
is
it
for
us
to
give
you
the
recycling?
How
much
will
you
give
us
back
for
the
valuable
materials?
That's
our
cost,
and
we
definitely
want
to
know
so.
A
We
will
look
and
we'll
put
that
in
as
a
follow-up
to
our
research
on
what
are
other
communities
getting
and
our
our
haulers
can
help
us
with
that.
They,
if
they're,
giving
somebody
a
better
deal
than
ours
we
and
we
find
out-
it's
really
a
lot
better
for
them
to
tell
us
first
and
for
us
to
find
out
through
a
survey
process.
A
J
Gentleman
at
yellow
shirt
has
a
lot
of
good
questions
so
as
a
follow
up
to
his
question
in
a
hypothetical
world.
If
we
did
put
the
arm
sorry
whose
ear
comments,
if
we
did
put
the
balancing
number
on
our
taxes,
which
is
only
12%
of
your
tax
bill
by
the
way
just
a
reminder,
would
we
then
put
a
line
just
like
mosquito
abatement,
Oakton
blah
blah
blah
nope?
It
would
just
be
mixed
in
with
the
general
level
we.
A
Would
we
would
request
and
demand
and
the
county
has
been
reluctant
to
add
items
to
the
tax
bill?
We
did
get
the
library
in
because
it's
such
a
standard.
We
have
pensions
because
that's
a
real
hot
button
and
but
GA
we
were
able
to
so
I
won't
say
no,
it's
quite
possible
that
if
we
had
a
what
would
be
deemed
an
environmental
levy-
or
we
would
put
some
title
to
ask
for
it
and
I
go
back
to
what
I
was
always
told.
You
have
computers,
you
should
be
able
to
make
it
better.
A
A
Every
every
section
that
every
service
that
we're
talking
about
pays
its
own
fee.
So
you
know
to
the
extent
that
but
I'll
give
you
a
situation
which
of
the
commercial
buildings
where
we
don't.
If
we
don't
have
a
service
and
we
put
it
onto
a
tax
bill,
then
the
commercial
property
is
in
effect
paying
for
something
that
they're
not
getting
a
service
on.
It
spreads
it
out
more,
but
from
an
equity
perspective,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
disconnect
there.
A
I
mean
the
the
making
the
glass
half-full
the
residents
are
taking
care
of
a
lot
more
Parkway
than
that.
Come
our
so
remember
that
other
property
we
will
remain
after
in
case.
Somebody
didn't
want
to
make
a
comment
or
question
and
we'll
be
happy
to
take
those
as
well,
and
this
has
been
recorded.
Well,
we
get
to
go,
watch
different
kinds
of
movies.
We
get
to
watch
this
movie
again
and
and
take
a
lot
more
notes
on
it
in
the
cut
in
the
next
week.
Sure.
F
A
I
could
do
an
analysis
that
said
the
tonnage
of
recycling
is
X
and
the
amount
that
we
pay
for
our
refuse
at
swank
is
y
and
really,
if
all
that
recycling
went
into
refuse,
my
true
cost
is
X,
plus
y
and
yeah.
It's
a
lot
more.
So
that
is
a
really
good
measure
of
what
do
we
get
out
of
our
recycling?
We're
not
getting
paid
back,
but
it's
not
going
into
our
waste
stream
and
that
that
swank
expenses
600
to
700
thousand
dollars,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
a
year.