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A
So
the
first
one
that
we
built
was
a
next
generation
il
which
crowdsourced
policy
ideas
from
700
young
people
across
illinois
at
30
deliberative
meetings
across
the
state.
Another
platform
we
built
is
the
minnesota
minnesota
community
assembly
platform,
and
that
was
more
for
deliberative
discussions
about
improving
local
government
where
citizens
would
meet
for
four
days.
Discuss
set
an
agenda,
come
up
with
ideas
and
then
present
those
to
city
council.
A
So
those
two
projects
have
evolved
into
deliberation
works,
which
is
our
current
platform.
That's
designed
to
build
community
capacity
to
manage
participatory
budgeting
from
start
to
finish.
So
it
helps
you
manage
your
community
relationships,
crowdsource
ideas,
develop
proposals,
facilitate
equitable
meetings
and,
of
course,
vote
now.
All
participatory
budgeting
platforms
at
a
minimum
have
to
have
a
way
to
collect
ideas
and
to
vote.
So
we
make
that
really
simple.
So
when
you
go
to
your
pb
home
page,
you
click
on
a
button.
You
can
submit
a
proposal
once
voting
is
open.
A
A
Now,
most
surprisingly,
not
all
the
participatory
platforms
that
you've
seen
do
all
the
things
that
you
need
to
to
support
pb.
Some
of
them
are
only
voting
platforms,
so
our
goal
is
really
to
support
the
whole
pb
process
and
really
the
sourcing
ideas
and
voting
are
the
easy
stuff
there's
actually
much
more
hard
parts
of
participatory
budgeting
that
need
support
and
that's
what
we've
been
working
on.
A
So
the
first
challenge
I
want
to
talk
about
is
policy
development,
so
one
of
the
most
difficult
parts
of
pb
is
that
you
have
to
get
your
community
of
volunteers
to
develop
feasible
policies
now
the
way
that
pe
processes
often
make
that
happen.
Is
they
make
the
proposals
very,
very
simple,
so
in
a
lot
of
pbs
you
might
have
seen
the
citizens
can
only
or
residents
can
always
support
policies
that
are
one-time
expenditures
on
a
public
property
and
even
that
might
take
several
months
of
work
with
help
from
city
staff.
A
Some
of
the
ways
we've
been
dealing
with
that
are
to
apply
the
same
kind
of
computer
support
collaborative
work.
You
might
see
for
other
paths,
so
here
you'll
see
when
a
participant
comments
on
a
policy
proposal.
The
facilitator
can
turn
that
into
an
issue
quickly
that
notifies
the
policy
editors
that
they
have
to
work
on
it.
A
Also,
because
we're
in
evanston,
we
can
take
advantage
of
the
social
policy,
professors
and
students
at
northwestern,
so
in
some
of
our
pv
pilots
that
we've
run
previously,
we've
seen
like
the
student
teams
develop
70
proposals
in
under
two
months,
which
is
pretty
good
also
to
bring
more
stakeholders
into
it.
The
next
thing
we're
testing
out
is
using
some
of
the
more
social
media
features
so
that
people
can
share
and
bring
more
people
into
the
process.
A
The
second
big
challenge
you
have
in
pb
is
equity
and
deliberation,
so
one
of
the
things-
that's
not
always
great
in
pb-
is
that
if
you
want
to
advance
your
idea
from
voting
to
the
or
from
the
idea
collection
stage
to
voting,
volunteers
often
have
to
be
willing
to
devote
several
months
of
their
time
to
forward
that
idea,
and
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
that,
can
favor
the
most
resourced
and
active
citizens,
the
ones
who
are
already
showing
up
to
the
town
halls
and
board
meetings.
A
A
So
we've
taken
representative
groups
through
a
one-hour
agenda,
setting
caucus
where
they
take
all
the
ideas
like
70
ideas,
narrow
them
down
to
about
eight
and
then
a
one-hour
voting
caucus
where
they
vote
on
the
top
proposals,
and
what
the
policy
of
all
development
volunteers
agree
to
do
is
not
just
develop
their
own
pet
ideas
but
develop
the
ideas
that
come
out
of
the
agenda
setting
caucus.
A
Now,
that
creates
a
challenge
of
how
do
you
run
really
quick
and
equitable
and
effective
meetings?
So
we've
developed
some
novel
describing
tools
that
can
capture
arguments
in
real
time.
Straw
polls
that
surface
and
resolve
key
disagreements
and
doing
all
of
this,
where
the
participants
themselves
do
not
actually
have
to
use
any
of
the
technology
and
what
we
found
is
you
can
actually
get
them
through
that
agenda
setting
and
voting
in
an
hour
each
which
makes
it
much
more
accessible.
A
A
Now
we're
not
saying
that
you
should
do
it
that
way,
the
choice
of
how
you
balance,
participation
and
equity
or
do
some
combination
of
the
two
is
ultimately
up
to
the
council
to
decide.
But
we
can
help
you
think
through
those
issues
and
design
and
test
the
platform
to
meet
like.
However,
you
want
to
do
your
pv
process.
A
One
last
thing
I
want
to
say
about
how
the
technology
can
support
pb.
Is
that,
ultimately,
to
pull
this
off,
you
have
to
recruit
and
train
a
large
number
of
volunteers,
so
we
also
have
some
outreach
tools,
like
customizable
email,
templates,
canvassing,
scripts
and
tracking
tools.
So
you
can
monitor
like
how
big
of
a
team
that
you've
built
up
and
like
who's,
where
in
the
process
and
even
for
the
pilots
that
we've
run.
You
know
it
takes
about
40
volunteers
spending
more
than
100
hours
to
pull
off
a
basic
pb
cycle.
A
We're
also
happy
to
train,
facilitate
volunteers,
and
if
this
is
something
that
you
want
to
do
long
term
past
art,
but
we
can
definitely
help
out
with
grant
writing
which
we're
pretty
good
at
for
us.
The
idea
of
bringing
democrat,
open
democracy
processes
to
our
own
hometown
is
like
a
once
in
a
lifetime
thing,
so
we're
very
excited
and
we're
happy
to
serve
on
the
steering
committee
or
make
the
platform
available
to
evanston
whatever
way
that
we
can
help
bring
open
democracy
to
evanston.
So
I'm
gonna
stop
there.
B
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
easter
today,
and
thank
you
to
your
team.
I
certainly
want
to
open
up
to
the
committee
and
then
also
since
you
gave
your
presentation
we'll
also
have
public
comment
after
that,
as
well,
to
allow
the
public
to
participate.
Councilman,
vanessa.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
reed.
I
have
a
kind
of
a
fundamental
question
here,
or
I
just
want
to.
You
want
to
name
a
fundamental
challenge
that
we're
going
to
have
if
we're
soliciting
ideas
from
the
community,
knowing
that
we
have
to
put
them
through
a
vetting
process
to
make
sure
they're
over
compliant
and
then
developing
them
to
a
certain
level
of
definition
before
we
can
even
vote.
B
That
would
take
an
awful
lot
of
staff
time,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
are
not.
You
know
overburdening
our
already
overburdened
staff,
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
ideas
that
aren't
ever
going
to
see
the
light
of
day,
and
so
how
do
we
address
that?
B
You
know
I'd
like
to
discuss
that
on
one
continuum.
We
could
you
know
you
know
we
could
only
allow
projects
to
go
on
to
the
participatory
budgeting
ballot
that
you
know
we
came
through.
You
know
a
staff
process
or
a
council
process.
We
could
not
accept
random
applications
off
the
street.
B
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
we
could
accept
any
random
application
within
whatever
constraints
and
just
devote
whatever
time
and
energy
is
necessary
to
making
that
happen,
and
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
that
continuum
is
where
we
want
to
it's
where
we
inevitably
want
to
land.
So
I
think
this
is
ultimately
will
be
a
decision
of
the
participatory
budgeting
committee.
C
Yeah
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
anyone
else
who
wants
to
answer.
But
you
know.
B
C
The
the
way
pv
processes
typically
work
are
you
you
have
as
mr
yesterday
and
tea
at
the
last
meeting.
You
have
a
group
of
folks
who
are,
you
know,
maybe
trained
by
someone
like
sarah
to
understand
what
are
the
eligible
categories
for
arbor
funding
and
that
group
would
kind
of
help
vet
and
funnel
the
proposals
down.
So
we're
not
just
having
a
wide
array
of
proposals
that
aren't
eligible
and
we're
only
looking
at
the
ones
that
are
eligible
and
then
voting.
C
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
chime
in
or
come
from
the
newsmen?
Do
you
have
anything
further
yeah.
B
I
mean
even
that
declares
staff
time
to
do
that
kind
of
preliminary
training
and
vetting.
So
I
just
want
to.
I
want
to
make
sure
what
we're
asking
staff
to
do
is
it's
a
reasonable
ask,
giving
our
staffing
constraints
and
giving
given
the
yeah
the
portion
of
the
harpa
money
we
have
agreed
to
spend
on
administration.
A
Yeah
one
one
technique
that
we've
used
is
like
once
you've
decided
how
much
staff
time
that
you
can
devote
to
it.
You
can
put
in
sort
of
extra
rounds
like
so.
If
you
do
like
an
agenda
setting
vote,
you
can
narrow
down
the
number
of
policies
coming
in
that
the
staff
have
to
even
look
at
and
then,
of
course,
training
the
volunteers
to
even
get
them
to
a
good
point
before
they're
ready
for
staff
to
look
at
there's.
D
C
Process
and
approximately
how
many
projects
we'll
end
up
winning
the
vote
do
we
think
just
to
have
at
least
a
ballpark
idea
of
the
workload
involved
here
yeah.
I
think
what
will
be
helpful
is
I
certainly
we
intended
to
have
someone
from
both
alder
manhattan
and
aldermen,
la
spada,
chicago
alderman,
so
we'll
reach
out
to
them,
but
so,
for
example,
in
chicago
the
aldermen.
Have
one
point:
you
know
three.
B
C
Dollars
typically,
they
turn
over
about
one
million,
sometimes
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
less
for
a
pb
process.
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
kind
of
give
a
ballpark
range.
Of
course,
their
dollars
are
limited
to
infrastructure,
because
that's
what
the
their
menu
funds
are
for,
and
so
also
because
of
that.
I
think
it's
also
a
really
good
model
to
to
check,
because
there
are
pretty
tight
constraints
in
some
regard
about
how
those
dollars
can
be
used-
and
you
know
could
be
similar
to
harper,
where.
C
That
people
want
to
use
the
1.3
million
dollars
for,
but
only
a
few
things
that
are
truly
eligible
for
it,
and
it
has
to
be
vetted
not
only
sometimes
by
chicago
city
staff
and
the
large
bureaucracy
there.
But
in
some
cases
by
the
illinois
department
of
transportation
sometimes
has
to
look
at
and
vet
look
at
the
projects
and
vetted
and
goes
across
multiple
apartments.
So.
B
Well,
I
I
if,
if
we
take
that
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
say,
there's
a
25
000
floor
on
the
on
the
number
on
the
for
a
particular
project,
that's
100
projects,
and
that
strikes
me
as
just
qualitatively
way
too
many
to
kind
of
force
through
this
process,
given
our
time
constraints
and
given
our
our
personnel
constraints.
B
E
I
was
just
saying
I
may
be
skipping
ahead
to
the
next
agenda
item
and
I
certainly
appreciate
councilman
minusma's
line
of
questions,
but
really
those
are
questions
that
the
firm
that
we
ultimately
retain
will
help
us
answer,
and
so
I
think
what
we're
here
to
do
today
and
again
I
may
be
skipping
ahead-
is,
I
think,
we're
getting
a
preview
of
of
one
of
the
organizations
or
companies
that
would
that
would
submit
the
rfp
but
we're
gonna
again.
I
think
that's
the
next
agenda
item,
but.
E
Those
are
good
questions.
You
have
many
good
questions
on
the
last
call
again.
I
think
we're
going
to
lock
down
a
organization,
that's
going
to
do
a
lot
of
that
heavy
lifting
thinking
for
us
and
obviously
we'll
have
time
to
react
to
what
they
recommend.
You
know
based
on
the
the
the
scope
of
work
or
the
nature
of
what
we're
looking
for,
but
I
think
I
think
we're
still
at
an
earlier
stage
than
than
than
where
you
might
be
at
this
point,
but
good
questions,
though.
C
Absolutely
agree
to
agree,
and-
and
I
am
taking
those
down-
and
those
are
questions
that
I
I
think
we
want
a
good
answer
soon
then
later
as
well
and
so
matthew,
and
I
can
put
our
heads
together
again
to
try
to
get
some
folks
who
can
answer
some
of
those
questions
and
give
some
guidance,
particularly
folks,
have
done
the
thing
locally
in
a
very
similar
manner.
Yeah.
You
know.
B
Wherever
we
land
here,
I
think
we
all
will
probably
agree
that
we
want
to
have
a
system
that
works,
given
the
constraints
that
we
have.
You
know
financial
constraints,
personality
and
strength,
time
constraints,
and
it
might
not
end
up
being
as
ultimately
ideal
as
we
would
like
it
to
be,
but
we
need
something
that
works
and
it
is,
is
simple
rather
than
more
complex.
C
And
councilman
what
I
will
say
just
from
my
knowledge
in
the
past
of
doing
some
research
on
this
is
particularly
in
chicago
at
least
some
wards
organize
it
in
brackets.
So
they'll
say
there
will
be
this
many
projects
in
this
dollar
range.
There
will
be
this
many
projects
that
are,
you
know
fifty
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
There'll
be
this
many
projects
that
are
you
know,
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
above
and
the
way
they
vote.
Is
they
combine
a
a
number
of
those?
So
you
get
a
you
know.
B
C
C
D
I'm
not
sure
if
I
need
to
fit
in
the
public
comment
spot
or
not,
I'm
still
getting
used
to
this,
but
you
mentioned
that
you
tested
the
agenda
setting
and
voting
and
it
took
an
hour.
Can
you
just
say
a
little
bit
more
about
how
like
what
who
you
did
that
with
and
how
it
worked.
A
Yeah
great
question-
and
I
might
turn
it
over
to
christine-
who
facilitated
that
if
you
want
to
jump
in
christine,
we
did
it
on
campus,
mostly
because
we
didn't
want
to
muddy
the
waters
with
the
council's
work
on
pb.
So
we
didn't
want
to
be
telling
people
in
evanston
we're
doing
pb
when
it's
not
even
started
yet
so.
A
We
limited
it
mostly
to
an
on
campus
to
test
the
facilitation,
the
technology,
the
training,
but
we
are
happy
to
do
more
of
that
in
evanston.
Once
if
this
looks
good
to
you
christine
did
you
want
to
add
anything
or
matt
did
that
did
that
answer
your
question
matt.
D
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
just
that
it
was
with
people
on
campus
and
how
did
you
select
people
for
it.
A
Yeah
we
we're
not
testing
the
random
selection,
part
of
it.
We're.
F
A
Testing
the
different,
recruiting
and
outreach
methods,
so
you
know,
does
community
outreach
versus
canvassing
versus,
like
you
know,
email
announcement
work,
so
I
think
that's
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
there
to
figuring
out
how
to
do
the
outreach
well,
so
so
in
rogers
park.
I
think
they
get
about
a
one
percent
participation
rate
in
the
voting
stages.
A
More
traditional,
deliberative
polling
they'll
typically
do
mailers
like
postcards
to
every
residency
and
again
they
only
get
about
a
one
percent
response
rate
to
that.
So
the
recruiting
is
a
really
big
challenge.
I
think
if
we
do
a
combination
of
community
outreach
text
making
and
then
traditional
stuff,
that's
probably
the
best
way
to
get
people
involved,
but
that's
again,
something
that
has
to
be
experimented
with
and
depends
on
how
much
staff
time
you
have
to
devote
to
pb.
C
Yeah-
and
I
actually
have
one
question
for
you,
but
I
will
say
to
that
point:
this
was
something
you
know
we
thought
about
in
the
clerk's
office
when
we
were
pushing
for
it
and
you
know
we'll
see
what
the
what
happens,
but
I'm
thinking
that
because
evanson
is
more
of
a
unified
community.
Rogers
park
certainly
is
of
chicago
neighborhoods
a
fairly.
You
know,
distinct
unified
community,
but
you
know
evanston
being
its
own.
C
Lastly,
just
to
before
we
move
on,
it
seems
as
though
this
group
is
rather
than
offering
to
or
seeming
as
though
you
all
would
apply,
and
maybe
you
will
so
correct
me,
but
apply
for
the
rfp
to
manage
the
program.
It
seems
like
you're
offering
support
for
whoever
does
end
up
getting
an
rfp
and
that
you
want
to
be
involved
in
in.
B
A
Yeah,
that's
right.
I
think
the
the
first
step
for
both
uic
and
and
the
pb
project
is
to
set
up
a
steering
committee
to
develop
the
playbook
so.
A
Be
happy
to
participate
in
that.
I
think,
since
this
is
the
first
time
that
evanston's
doing
pb,
you
want.
A
As
many
of
people
with
experience
as
possible,
so
we.
B
A
Want
to
contribute,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
get
in
a
way
of
like
how
you're
intending
to
management,
how
to
manage
it,
which
seems
like
a
perfectly
fine
way
to
go
about
it.
C
Certainly,
thank
you
thank
you
for
that,
and
then,
lastly,
would
there
be
a
cost
associated
with
you
all,
providing
support.
A
Oh
great
question:
so
developing
these
platforms
is
literally
like
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
do,
and
so
we
write
our
own
grants
to
fund
the
platform
development.
So
we
will
do
the
technology
side
within
your
budget.
You
know
we're
really
excited
to
do
this
with
evanston
and
we're.
B
C
Yeah,
so
that
means
no.
B
A
Sorry
so
for
the
development
of
the
platform,
we'll
do
that
through
grant
writing
and
then
I
think,
you've
set
aside
some
technology
budget
for
that.
So
we'll
do
it
within
the
budget
that
you
set
aside
for
like
just
running
the
platform,
you
know
hiring
volunteers
and
that
kind
of
thing.
A
Yeah,
we're
not
not
super
concerned
about
the
the
cost,
but
we.
C
Okay
and
christine.
F
Hi
everyone
thank
you
again
for
talking
to
us,
I'm
christine,
and
this
is
gus
and
we're
phd
students
who
have
been
working
with
matt,
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
address
a
few
things
that
I
think
have
come
up
in
the
conversation.
F
One
is
to
just
clarify
that
one
of
the
things
we
found
really
interesting
in
the
work
we've
been
doing
is
that
there's
actually
a
lot
of
different
ways
in
which
we
can
invite
people
to
participate,
and
that's
something
worth
thinking
about
is
you
know
we
can
use
the
technology
to
support
participation
in
some
regards,
especially
if
we're
thinking
of
doing
a
more
staged
process
of
vetting
based
on
the
criteria
and
what
staff
time
you
have.
F
You
can
use
technology
to
get
some
kind
of
involvement,
and
you
can
also
do
more
representative
samples
to
do
more
of
the
heavy
thinking
about
you
know
if
there
are
some
more
concerning
issues
regarding
equity
and
wanting
to
speak
to
certain
communities
and
hearing
their
voice,
and
those
are
better
done
in
face-to-face
conversations.
F
And
last
but
not
least,
is
the
policy
development
way
of
participation,
which
I
wanted
to
speak
also
directly
to
to
alderman
musema's
concern
and
alderman
is
my
alderman.
So
I'm
very
excited
that
you
brought
up
all
of
these
like
practical
concerns,
because
I'm
actually
the
person
who's
been
leading
up.
F
The
policy
development
side
from
the
volunteer
side-
and
one
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
even
with
our
students
and
we
have
about
30
students
undergraduate
all
the
way
to
phd
level,
all
the
way
to
again
our
social
policy
faculty
members
involved
in
the
policy
development
process.
One
thing.
F
Is
that
they've
been
able
to
do
an
extraordinary
amount
of
really
quality
work
developing
out
those
proposals,
and
we've
also
been
able
to
figure
out
what
is
the
minimum
amount
of
information?
We
actually
need
from
city
staff
to
to
move
those
proposals
forward
after
doing
as
much
as
we
can
on
our
side.
So.
E
F
So
thinking
about
that,
what
we've
been
really
trying
to
think
about
is
how
can
we
make
the
volunteer
process
again,
based
on
training
using
technology
etc
as
streamlined
and
as
rigorous
as
it
can
be,
without
taking
as
much
of
the
city
staff
time,
but
also
using
the
city
city
staff
time
as
wisely
as
possible
to
do
that
final
amount
of
development?
So
just
to
say
that,
like
we
have
been
thinking
about
that
and
we're
actively
thinking
about
on?
How
can
we
use
technology.
C
Getting
a
very
clear
sense:
I'm
seeing
from
your
materials
that
the
team
has
a
really
strong
focus
on
the
the
design
of
the
systems
and
the
tech
design.
I'm
curious
how
what
the
team
looks
like
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
design
design,
the
physical
appearance,
design,
the
you
know
eye
engagement,
the
stuff
that
catches
the
normal
person.
Does
the
team
have
folks
that
focus
on
that
as
well.
A
Yeah,
absolutely
so
some
of
our
faculty
were
trained
at
the
stanford
d-school
design,
school
and
the
platform.
As
you
see
it
now
is
designed
completely.
D
A
This
is
just
our
first
version,
but
it's
designed
completely
by
our
team,
usually
when
it
gets
closer
to
like,
if
there's
any
additional
like
design
work,
we
sometimes
work
with
a
consultant
out
in
just
the
next
town
over.
So
we
what
you
see
now
is
like
what
we
have
done.
I
think.
C
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Well,
if
there
are
no
further
questions
for
the
northwestern
team,
we
will
get
back
on
track
with
the
agenda
and
move
on
to
the
staff
memo.
C
All
right
may
have
a
motion
to
move,
to,
accept
and
place
on
file
the
participatory
budgeting
staff,
member.
C
Right
all
right,
we
can
have
a
discussion
on
this.
C
I
don't
know
if,
if
there's
anything,
staff
wants
to
just
speak
on
or
we
just
want
to
move
directly
to
questions
or
comments.
E
B
E
I
love
being
able
to
to
get
you
on
something
like
rules,
but
and
I'm
willing
to
put
some
fake
money
in
on
that
one.
C
D
D
I
know
that
in
previous
meetings
we've
discussed
trying
to
vote
in
the
summer
and
just
based
on
research
of
other
communities
and
the
work
done
by
the
participatory
budgeting
project
voting
in
the
summer
would
be
a
quicker
process
than
most
other
communities
have
done,
and
I
think
would
be
a
challenge
and
then
the
other
part
that
I
just
was
hoping
to
communicate
is
the
sort
of
typical
cost.
C
D
C
What
I'm
seeing
here
is
your
estimate
is
that
the
process
would
take
between
12
to
15
months
and
that
voting
would
take
place.
How
many
months
into
that
really
toward
the
end
of
it.
So
we'd
be
looking
at
next
spring.
If
we
wanted
to
follow
what
is
a
typical
window,
okay
and
then.
C
I
think
we're
still
looking
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It
doesn't
look
like
you've
gone
up
from
that
or
have
you
no,
it's
still
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
with
this,
what
are
these
estimates?
C
I'm
wondering
if
they're,
including
the
cost
of
doing
outreach
and
sending
out
ballots
or
mailers
and
and
that
kind
of
stuff
as
well,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
want
to
build
that
in
as
well
and
it
seems
like
those
are
good
and
then,
of
course,
the
takeaway
just
arpa
compliance
is,
of
course,
all
the
projects
have
to
be
upper
compliant
and
we'll
build
that
into
the
process.
Okay,
that's
a
recap.
Are
there
any
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
regarding
this
or
any
comments.
C
D
C
So
to
me
it
this
seems
reasonable.
You
know
if
we
can't
get
it
done
this
summer,
then
you
know
we'll
we'll
be
ready
to
rock
and
roll
next
next
spring
next
summer
and
that
that
will
likely
still
work
out
very,
very
well
and
give
us
a
chance
to
to
get
this
right.
Okay,
let's
see,
let's
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
anything
else.
E
C
And
then
myself,
I
okay,
we
have
placed
that
on
file,
we've
approved
the
minutes
and
then
the
last
thing
on
our
agenda
here
is
to
set
to
begin
discussing,
setting
some
specific
goals
and
outcomes
for
participatory
budgeting.
C
Yes,
I
am
sorry
I
I
think
maybe
I'm
looking
at
a
different
agenda
or
there's
just
nothing
attached
there.
So
my.
C
Yeah,
so
we
can
discuss
that
as
well.
So
what?
What
is
what
it
seems
like
here
is
a
staff
has
the
understanding
that
we
cannot
do
a
sole
source
procurement
given
arpa
requirements,
and
so
we'll
have
to
go
through
an
rfp
process,
and
so
that
will
add
a
bit
of
time
into.
You
know,
lead
time
into
setting
up
a
relationship
with
a
with
a
partner
to
manage
this.
C
Is
there
any
further
matt?
Do
you
want
to
share
something.
D
Yeah,
I
was
just
I'm
gonna
say
sarah
flax
and
dave
stoneback
are
on
the
call
and
have
more
expertise
in
the
intricacies
of
arpa
compliance.
But
that's
our
understanding
right
now
is
that
sole
source
isn't
an
option
if
we're
planning
to
use
arpa
funds
to
cover
the
cost
of
a
potential
consultant.
C
Yes,
dave
or
sarah
also,
I
didn't
there
wasn't
a
memo
for
this
in
the
packet.
From
my
knowledge
that
specifically
touched
on
why
the
staff
believes
that
we
have
to
go
through
well,
we
can't
do
the
sole
source.
So
if
you
want
to
touch
on
that.
G
This
is
sarah.
I
can
touch
on
that.
Arpa
is
covered
by
the
uniform
administrative
guidance
requirements,
cost
principles
and
audit
requirements
for
federal
awards
sometimes
referred
to
as
the
omni
circular
or
other
things
like
that
and
there's
a
whole
section
on
procurement,
and
they
have
a
area
where
they
say
what
qualifies
for
non-competitive
procurement
from
one
source
may
be
used
only
when
one
or
more
of
the
following
circumstances
apply.
The
item
is
available
only
from
a
single
source.
G
G
Now
I
haven't
emailed
treasury
and
asked
if
they
would
allow
solar
source
procurement.
In
this
case,
I
don't
think
they
would,
because
it
doesn't
appear
to
me
that
that
it
is
something
that
is
limited
under
those
things.
C
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
Can
you
send
that
that
rule
to
to
me
or
in
door
to
mat,
to
distribute
to
the
committee
I'd
just
like
to
take
a
picture.
C
Great
great
and
then
you
know,
I
do
wonder,
given
the
last
category
that
you.
C
There,
if
you
can
repeat
that
it
was
the
one
that
says
if
there's.
G
If
you've
attempted
to
I
just
closed
this
up,
I
have
to
find
the
same
page,
but
it's
it's.
If
you've
attempted
to
solicit
proposals-
and
you
don't
get
you.
G
Right
so,
in
other
words,
it
doesn't
say
what
they're
saying
is:
if
you
do
an
rfp
and
you
do
everything
to
do
to
promote
open
and
competitive
procurement
process
and
people
don't
respond.
G
That
you
can't
there's
also
a
requirement
that
you
can't
put
very
specific
things
in
that
would
rule
organizations
out
you
know,
for
example,
you
cannot
put
all
bidders
must
be
organizations
that
are
from
the
city
of
evanston
or
something
like
that,
or
even
that
they
must
use
a
specific
technology
or
a
specific.
G
C
And
how?
What
is
the,
what
is
the
shortest
time
frame
that
or
what
is
the
average
time
frame
for
an
rfp
to
be?
You
know
out
in
the
world.
G
They
don't
actually
give
those
types
of
details,
but
what
we
are
always
advised
to
do
is
to
use
our
city's
processes
as
long
as
they
are
are
generally
following
what
the
federal
government
you
know.
So
we
have
a.
We
have
a
process
for
open
competition,
and
so
I
think
that
we
should
just
check
with
our
procurement
people
and
say
how
long
they
would
recommend
having
an
rfp
out,
okay
and-
and
also
it
doesn't
mean
you
just
have
to
post
it.
You
can
reach
out
to
organizations
that
you
think
are
appropriate,
and
so
it's.
C
Yeah,
okay,
great
well,
for
this.
Thank
you,
councilman
newsman,
for
highlighting.
B
C
There
we
can,
we
can
issue
the
rfp
if
we
can
check
with
procurement.
What's
the
short
you
know
the
most
reasonable
time
frame
that
isn't
dragging
it
on
dragging
it
on
too
long,
because
we
know
there
are
very
few
organizations
out
there
that
do
this
kind
of
work,
and
so
we
can
just
make
sure
that
we
let
the
two
the
two.
C
Out
there
know
you
know
that
the
application
is
open
and
try
to
get
responses
back
fairly
soon
and
get
the
ball
moving.
Okay,
great
now
we
can
move
on
to.
I
guess
our
final
item
on
the
agenda
today.
Sorry,
I
have
a
bunch
of
preparations
stuff
open
from
earlier.
C
Okay-
and
our
final
agenda
item
for
today
is
setting
goals
and
outcomes
for
the
participatory
budgeting
process.
E
C
All
right,
it's
been
moving
seconded
all
right.
I
think
this
is
a
place
for
us
to
start
jotting
down.
Some
of
the
questions
that
comes
from
renusma
has
as
well,
as
you
know,
actually
answering
the
question
here,
setting
some
specific
goals
and
outcomes
for
the
participatory
budgeting
process.
So
I'll
first
start
with
the
committee.
B
B
To
the
extent
possible,
if
we're
talking
now
about
something,
that's
going
to
go
into
an
rfp
to
ask
for
the
consultants
to
provide
not
only
the
infrastructure
of
managing
the
process,
but
perhaps
their
advice
on
how
to
how
best
to
to
to
break
down
the
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
into
you
know
whatever
manageable
chunk
size,
they
think
is
best
like
ten
thousand
dollars.
Probably
too
small.
You
know
a
million
dollars,
probably
probably
too
big.
B
Have
this
discussion
at
the
committee
level
and
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
best,
but
as
long
as
we're
hiring
a
consultant,
let's
take
advantage
of
their
expertise
and
hear
what
they
have
to
say
about.
You
know
how
how
many
slices
we
can
cut
this
pie
in
there.
C
B
C
I
I
will
say
also
you
had
some
questions
the
the
last
time
that
I
thought
were
really
good
and
I
think
may
be
somewhat
appropriate
here
in
thinking
about
what
are
we
going
to?
Is
this
committee
going
to
have
I'm
trying
to
think.
C
Dominion,
but
what
are
we
going
to
have
responsibility
for
and
what
are
we
going
to
give
authority
to
the
mr
easter
day?
Maybe
you
can
spark
my
memory.
What
are
we
going
to
give
authority
to
the
the
assembly
to
decide
or
the
the
stakeholder
group,
the
initial
group,
that
kind
of
decides
the
rules
for
the
actual
pv
process?
What
is
the
kind
of
technical,
the
jargon
in
the
community
for
that
group
called.
C
Sure,
okay,
yeah
the
steering
committee
sure
that
steering
committee
we
decide
what
what
they'll
give.
C
So
you
know
I
I
do
think
what
we're
seeing
here
is.
It
may
make
sense
for
this
committee
to
take
on
the
responsibility
of
choosing
what
you
know.
The
funding
levels
are
or
choosing
that
you
know
the
size
of
the
buckets
that
and
that's
not
something
we're
going
to
leave
to
be
a
simile
to
decide
yeah,
maybe
matt.
If
you
want
to
share
some
of
the
since
you're
here.
C
What
are
what
are
some
of
the
decisions
that
you've
seen
in
the
past
and
we'll
certainly
ask
this
of
our
of
our
partner
as
well,
but
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
you've
maybe
seen
in
the
past
that
were
decisions
made
by
the
assembly
versus
decisions
made
by
maybe
the
alderman's
office
or
some
you
know,
higher
higher
body?
Obviously,
in
this
case,
it's
the
arpa
guidelines
dictate
how
the
funds
can
be
spent.
You
know
same
thing
in
the
ultimate
office
infrastructure,
but
what
are
other
decisions
that
you've
seen?
C
E
E
C
A
Yeah
I
haven't
worked
directly
with
with
the
participatory
budgeting
project
before,
but
my
understanding
of
their
process
is,
they
will
put
together
a
steering
committee
that
develops
the
playbook.
So
it
will
answer
all
these
questions
and
so
presumably
like
you'd,
want
a
member
of
the
council,
definitely
matt
oren
to
be
on
that
committee.
You'd
want
to
review
the
playbook
before
it
gets
approved,
but
I
think
my
understanding
is
they
put
together
a
group
of
representatives
from
the
community.
A
B
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
bobby
I'm
councilmember
burns.
E
Yeah
I
was
going
to
say
I
and
I
think
in
my
mind,
as
long
as
there's
some
council
representation.
You
know
on
that
committee.
I
saw
it
in
the
same
way
that
I
think
the
you
know
it
is.
It's.
B
E
Think
it's
a
lot
better
to
have.
You
know
six
or
eight
people
considering
these
things
in
three,
and
so
we
want
to,
I
think,
collect
get
input
from
a
wide
group.
But
ultimately
you
know
this
committee
will
have
the
will
have
to
approve
it
and
then
obviously
it'll
go
from
here
either
directly
to
the
council
or
standing
committee,
depending
on
how
we've
arranged
this
committee,
but
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
you
know.
I
support
that.
I
I
would
feel
somewhat
uncomfortable
three
people
making
really
any
decisions.
E
I
think
you
know
without
the
input
of
a
much
larger
group
and
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
as
an
opinion.
C
Councilman
vanessa
well
I'll
just
ask
if
you
don't
have
anything
directly
to
say
in
response
to
that.
I
I
I
wonder,
are
you?
C
Does
that
sound
fine
to
you
that
we
would
in
essence,
you
know
kind
of
pump
some
of
that
to
this
assembly,
and
then
you
know,
they'd,
send
it
back
to
us
and
we'd
approve
a
kind
of
a
final
list
or.
B
I
suppose
that
makes
sense.
I
just
I'm
mindful
of
the
you
know:
administrative
efforts
to
dollar
ratio
here,
given
that
we
are
only
talking
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars.
I
really
hope
we
can
come
up
with
a
lean
and
efficient
way
of
doing
this
without
forming
another
committee
and
without
requiring
another
whole
round
of
meetings.
C
Nine
council
members,
so
let's
not
make
this
any
more
difficult
or
more
complicated
than
it
has
to
be.
Sarah.
G
Thank
you.
One
of
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about.
Is
there
any
consideration
of
really
trying
to
use
this
process
to
get
the
needs
of
what,
in
our
described
as
our
disproportionately
impacted
communities?
And
that
isn't
just
you
know,
geographic?
G
They
broadened
it
from
the
from
the
interim
rule
where
it
was
like
yeah,
you
can
look
at
a
qct,
but
you
can
define
groups
or
classes
of
disparately
impacted
people,
businesses,
everything
else
and
it
it
seems
that
that
might
be
a
consideration
of
trying
to
use
in
this,
because
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
things
to
do
well,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
primary
things
where
participatory
budgeting
can
have
real
real
meaning.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that.
I.
C
I
mean
that's,
certainly
a
decision
for
this
committee
and
maybe
the
steering
committee
to
make
you
know
I
think,
as
of
now,
without
that's
a
good
consideration,
but
I
think,
as
of
now,
I'm
thinking
leaving
the
process
a
bit
more
open
to
all
of
the
possibilities
of
arpa
which
are
all
fairly
focused
on.
You
know,
if
you
take
it
at
it,
that
the
spirit
of
it
focused
on
that
that
community,
you
know
and.
C
Okay:
well,
are
there
any
other
specific
goals
outside
of
that
that
we
want
to
share
now
we're
approaching
the
end
of
our
hour
here.
B
C
Yeah,
okay,
so
certainly
what
we're
gonna
have
is.
Sarah
may
have
already
showed
it,
but
sarah's
gonna
share
with
us
the
the
rules
and
we're
gonna
figure
out
about
the
the
rfp
process.
C
Yes,
how
yeah,
I
think
the
next
meeting
met
you.
D
Yeah,
currently
we're
set
up
to
meet
every
two
weeks
at
1
30
on
thursday,
so.
G
Normally
those
are
developed
by,
I
don't
know
who
is
expected
to
develop.
The
rfp
purchasing
is
involved,
but
I'm
not
quite
certain
who
that
responsibility
is
falling
to
here.
B
B
Maybe
at
our
next
meeting
by
our
next
meeting,
let's
make
sure
we
know
what
that
process
is
going
to
be
and
then
four
weeks
from
now,
let's
target
having
an
rfp
to
approve,
which
means
that
at
our
next
meeting
we'll
know
what
the
process
is
and
if
I
could
suggest
maybe
having
an
outline
of
an
rfp
that
we
can
comment
on.
B
Or
at
least
skeleton
you
know,
drafting.
C
And
then
matt
you
and
I
will
work
together
on
if
the
group
season
is
beneficial
having
some
of
the
aldermen
in
chicago
or
their
staffs,
who
have
done
this
before
maybe
walk
through
some
of
the
questions
that
you
had
councilmember
newsmen
that
may
help
us
also
decide.
You
know
the
next
step
with
the
steering
committee
and
what
we'll
to
delegate
to
them
and
not
okay,
so
matt
we'll
try
to
work
on
that
or
really
he'll
work
on
it
and
okay.
C
I
think
those
are
the
two
big
things
for
the
the
few
big
things
or
councilmember.
B
E
C
Do
you
think
that
with
that
I
mean
I
don't
disagree
with
that,
but
I
just
wonder:
do
you
think
that
before
we
have
a
partner
who
maybe
has
their
own
opinions
and
has
done
this,
that
may
be
jump
in
the
gun
and
I
see
a
squirm
from
councilman
brunusma,
so
yeah.
E
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I'm
I
guess
I'm
open
to
either
one.
I
just
think
the
steering
committee
is
the
steering
committee.
I
think
it's
up
to
us
to
just.
E
B
Kind
of
how
I
look
at
it
is,
you
know
this
steering
committee
is:
it
puts
to
participate
or
participation
in
participatory
budgeting,
at
least
that's
one
mechanism
for
participation,
certainly
not
the
only
one,
and
so
it
can't
hurt
to
convene
some
community
stakeholders
to
be
part
of
this
process.
B
Let's
call
them
the
steering
committee
and
what
the
role
of
that
steering
committee
will
be.
It
may
vary
depending
on
you
know
what
consultant
we
engage
to
assist
us
through
this
process,
but
either
way
having
a
committee
convene
of
you
know.
Individuals,
you
know,
community
members
is,
is
a
good
thing.
C
So
sure
I
guess
are
we
saying
that
maybe
we
should
start
some
kind
of,
and
I
don't
want
to
call
it
an
application,
because
that
maybe
makes
it
more
complex
and
has
to
be
but
some
kind
of.
C
C
D
C
Pool
of
folks
who
could
be
a
part
of
that
standing
committee-
okay,
we're
at
just
a
few
minutes
past
the
hour,
I'm
sorry,
sir
flag!
Sarah
do
you
have?
Was
that
a
raised
hand?
Oh.
G
I
was
just
letting
people
know
that
I
had
to
the
committee
members
that
I
emailed
you
the
link
to
this
lovely
uniform
guidance
with
a
reference
to
where
to
start
looking
at
procurement.
C
Great
great,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
okay
with
with
that,
since
we're
a
few
minutes
past
the
hour,
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
folks
in
the
middle
of
the
day,
seeing
no
further
business
before
us,
the
make
sure
there's
some
further
business
before
us.
C
Business
before
us,
this
committee
is
now
adjourned
and
we
will
be
back
here
on
the.
What
is
that?
The
14th
or
the
I'm?
Sorry,
not
the
14th,
but
it's
two
weeks
from
now.