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A
All
right
all
right,
thank
you.
Welcome
back
everyone.
I
know
it's
been
a
minute
since
we
met
so
hopefully
everyone
is
doing
well.
If
I
can
have
someone
call
this,
I
like
to
call
this
means
to
order.
If
I
can
have
someone
read
the
declaration
of
a
quorum
that
that
would
be
great,
do
we
still
need
to
read
that
that
executive
order
issue
by
okay?
So
if
I
can
ask
someone,
please
read
that
it's
at
the
top
of
the
agenda.
B
E
I
didn't
mean
to
laugh
there,
but
nico's
computer
is
messing
up
right
now,
so
he's
trying
to
this
is
last
one
to
let
you
know
now.
I
wasn't.
F
A
Nika
she
joined
as
well:
okay,
hey
everyone!
Okay!
All
right!
Do
we
have
anyone,
that's
up
and
ready.
B
I
think
we're
ready
to
get
started
again.
We
now
have
additional
folks
so.
A
Okay,
so
again
I
was
asking
I
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
on
april
7
2021
at
6
30
p.m.
If
I
could,
please
have
someone
read
the
order
issued
by
the
governor,
it
you'll
find
it
at
the
top
of
the
agenda.
E
E
B
B
A
I
A
F
A
All
so
we
have
no
new
complaints
as
of
yet
we
will
have
one
coming
up
soon,
but
we've
completed
the
ones
that
were
installed
at
the
station
tonight.
The
only
thing
that
we'll
be
reviewing
is
one
that
we
sent
back
for
another
look,
but
other
than
that.
There
are
no
new
cases
for
us
to
review
just
as
of
yet
so.
B
F
B
Well-
and
we
can
we're
going
to
actually
speak
to
that
later
on
in
the
meetings.
A
Having
now
we'll
continue
on
on
the
on
the
agenda
next
on
the
agenda,
we
have
the
approval
of
minutes.
So
if
I
can
have
someone
a
motion
to
approve
the
february
3rd
2021
meeting
meeting
minutes,
that
would
be
great.
B
Go
ahead,
thank
you.
Jamal.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you.
As
we
said
a
little
bit
earlier,
we
have
no
new
complaints
to
review
for
this
meeting
for
the
new
business,
which
is
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
next
item
on
the
agenda,
so
we
are
going
to
move
forward
to
the
next
item
being
the
old
business
for
the
old
business.
We
do
have
a
second
review
of
a
di
number
20,
slash
13..
B
Yes,
shauna
hi
doug.
J
Okay,
let
me
let
me
start
with
a
brief
revisit
of
the
case
and
then
we'll
talk
about
sergeant,
dobrowski's
memo
dated
on
january
30th
of
this
year.
Who
did
the
second
review?
J
The
initial
complaint
was
a
third
party
witness
to
the
interaction
between
the
officers
and
the
individual
involved
in
the
traffic
accident
felt
that
the
bias
might
have
been
a
play
and
an
explanation
for
lack
of
enforcement
action
that
being
that
the
driver
of
the
individual
involved
in
the
accident
was
white
and
therefore
did
not
was
not
ticketed
or
cited,
and
that
ticketing,
siting
or
arrest
was
appropriate
in
this
situation,
but
was
not
taken
due
to
racial
bias.
E
J
J
This
was
this
incident
did
take
place.
The
officer
that
was
responsible
and
responded
was,
we
would
say,
is
he
characterized
an
inexperienced
rookie
officer,
and
this
would
fall
under
the
umbrella
of
a
rookie
mistake?
It
was
also
a
complicated,
complex
call
at
the
end
of
a
12-hour
shift.
One
of
the
downsides
of
a
12-hour
shift
is
the.
There
is
potentially
at
least
unconsciously
a
reluctance
to
make
take
enforcement
action
after
a
12-hour
day
that
may
take
you
into
a
14
or
15-hour.
I
J
Well,
I
think
that
when
he
reviewed
the
body-worn
camera
and
the
investigation
is
totality-
that's
how
he
came
to
his
conclusion.
You
know
we
talked
before
about
the
value
of
the
body-worn
camera.
The
bodywork
camera
is
going
to
provide
this
committee
with
the
largest
piece
of
the
investigation.
That
officers
are
using.
That
supervisors
are
using.
J
You
know
we,
when
we
read
this
in
memo,
form
we're
only
capturing
part
of
the
picture
or
part
of
the
incident
where
we
watch
the
body-worn
camera
it
is.
It
is
the
biggest
piece
of
our
investigations,
so
I
would
say
this:
let's
defer
to
the
bodywork
camera
footage,
we'll
review
that,
and
if
you
have
the
same
question,
I
definitely
would
want
to
talk
about
it.
Some
more.
J
Before
we
go
to
the
bodywork
camera
footage,
I
did
review
it.
There's
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
make
note
of
and
bring
it
to
your
attention.
If
you
want
to
maybe
jot
down
a
couple
notes
yourself
or
just
something
I
could
bring
to
your
attention.
This
is
about
a
42
minute,
video,
I'm
gonna
start
it
at
about
minute
three,
just
to
kind
of
chop
it
down,
because
that's
just
the
response
about
these
are
approximations
of
time,
but
about
seven
minutes
ten
seconds
into
the
video
the
driver
admits
to
driving
and
crashing.
J
He
does
display,
I
would
say,
signs
of
intoxication
he's
belligerent
non-responsive
to
the
officers
at
about
11
27
of
the
video.
There
is
a
witness
that
does
make
a
statement
that
they
had
been
drinking
in
about
13
25.
J
There's
then
about
16
15,
there's
the
two
officers,
the
rookie
officer
and
the
better
officer
confer
with
each
other,
and
I
think
that
that's
probably
the
big
portions
of
the
elements
of
of
the
offense
it
kind
of
sets
the
sets
the
table
for
what
we're
about
to
review.
So
is
everybody
ready.
A
A
Perfect,
okay,
thank
you
commander
glue
for
that
overview
of
of
that.
So,
if
I
can
have
a
if
we
we
can
have
a
motion
to
convene
its
executive
session,
that'd
be
great.
If
anyone
can
read
that
motion.
E
I
motioned
to
move
this
meeting
to
the
executive
session.
B
E
I
don't
have
the
agenda
pulled
up
right
now.
Can
someone
motion
for
us
please.
C
I
got
a
motion
to
convene
into
executive
session
pursuant
to
to
five
illinois
nine
comply
statutes,
ilcs
120,
slash
2a.
I
move
that
the
citizen
police
review
commission
convened
into
the
executive
session
to
discuss
agenda
items
regarding
personnel.
C
B
F
B
So
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
pause.
The
video
in
this
meeting.
B
He's
somewhere
he's
in
he's
somewhere,
okay,
we
can
go
ahead
and
we
can
be
in
the
discussion
in
open
meeting
now
it
is
7
34
that
we
are
reconvening
back
into
open.
Our
commission
meeting.
J
I
think
that
so
we
can
we're
good
to
go.
J
Think
that,
after
watching
that
view
video,
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
I
think
that
there
would
be
a
consensus
among
all
of
us
that
there
was
probable
cause
for
an
arrest
for
zero
tolerance
dui
at
the
minimum.
He
was
20
years
old.
He
admitted
to
drinking,
as
mr
whitmore
was
started
kind
of
also
touched
on
the
fact
that
agitated
you
know
belligerent
so
on
and
so
forth.
You
can
kind
of
check
off
a
lot
of
the
intoxicated
list.
So
definitely,
I
think,
there's
a
consensus
opinion.
J
G
I
Just
the
rookie
officer
is
just
showing
her
her
inner
experience
and
her
decision
making
and
she
allowed
the
veteran
officers
who
are
at
the
end
of
their
shift
to
basically
take
the
call
over
and
steer
her
towards
we're
going
home
on
time.
We're
not
staying,
and
that's
essentially
what
you
see
happen
right,
I
mean
she's,
she
doesn't
take
charge
of
the
scene,
someone
else
comes
and
takes
charge
of
the
scene
and
clearly
you
know
a
12
hour
shift
a
couple
days
in
a
row.
That's
that's
likely.
J
J
Officer
on
the
scene,
you're
talking
about
somebody's
got
less
than
three
months
on
the
job.
It's
her
call,
but
she's
also
being
advised
by
an
officer
who's
a
25-year
plus
veteran.
So
you
said:
there's
not
there's
really
not.
I
would
say
a
reason
that
falls
within
policy
as
to
why
there
would
be
advice
not
to
make
that
arrest.
I
I
You
know
you
heard
the
radio
too
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
in
the
city
at
the
same
time,
so
you're
managing
all
that.
But
if
someone
calls
and
doesn't
give
you
the
full
information,
you
have
to
go
off
of
what
they're
telling
you
if
she
would
have
told
him
that
he
would
have
told
her
to
make
the
arrest
I'd.
A
There's
just
no
excuse
for
this.
I
think
there's
complete
bias
in
this,
because
I
don't
care
if
she
is
at
the
end
of
a
shift.
This
is
your
job.
You
understand
that
this
is
something
that
you
have
to
do
to
say
that
all
these
charges
should
be
unfounded
is
ridiculous
for
the
simple
fact
everyone
here
clearly
saw
what
was
going
on.
Anyone
who
has
eyes
and
ears
can
determine
what's
going
on
and
just
because
you're
tired
on
a
12
hour
shift.
A
This
is
what
you
signed
up
so
for
so
because
you
don't
want
to
do
your
job,
then
you
allow
someone
to
get
away
with
this,
but
let's
be
honest:
if
they
had,
if
they
had
a
darker
shade
of
skin,
would
they
have
gotten
away
with
this
as
well?
If
they
wouldn't
have
had
a
wealthy
father,
if
they
wouldn't
have
been
from
highland
or
highland
park,
would
they
would
if
they
weren't
in
you
know
sheridan
like?
A
Would
they
have
gotten
away
with
this,
and
I
just
cannot
see
anyone
saying
yes,
that
they
would
have
gotten
away
with
this?
So
I
think
there
was
a
bias
in
it
yeah.
It
may
have,
it
may
have
played
a
part
that
she's
tired
or
she
she
she
can
be
a
rookie
or
whatever
that
case
is
but
you're.
Also
an
adult
you've
seen
these
type
of
situations
before
you
understand
what
your
job
is
about.
You
know
what
you're
supposed
to
do.
You
clearly
have
this
in
front
of
you.
A
He
cussed
out
every
officer
there.
He
told
him
he
didn't
have
to
do
anything.
So
that's
a
resistant
arrest
right
there,
not
even
not
turning
over
your
your
id
and
you
you're
gonna
show
it,
but
I'm
not
gonna
give
it
to
you
like
just
for
that
simple
thing:
they
have
probable
cause
there.
It
was
just
so
many
missed
opportunities
and
then
to
say
that
it
wasn't
based
on
bias.
I
can't
buy
that.
J
If
I
could
interject
here
real
quick,
I
mean
everything
that
you
said
for
the
most
part,
I
agree
with
the
one
thing
I
do
want
to
clarify
is
this
was
not
at
this
point
of
resisting
a
rough
situation.
He
was
uncooperative.
They
should
have
addressed
the
fact
that
he
didn't
give
up
his
driver's
license.
I
will
like
I
am
not
going
to.
J
I
would
say
you
know
there's
as
far
as
why
there's
not
an
arrest
made,
there's
just
not
a
lot
there
to
basically
hang
your
hat
on
as
far
as
why
it
wasn't
made,
I
mean
from
the
get-go.
He
displays
intoxication
probable
causes
there.
You
know
we
said.
J
It
should
have
been
addressed,
he
said,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
There
was
not
a
resisting
arrest
situation
in
here.
There
was
probable
cause
arrest
for
a
dui,
at
least
a
zero
tolerance
dui,
and
he
was
not
cooperative
and
he
should
have
given
up
his
driver's
license
and
it
could
have
turned
into
a
resisting
arrest
situation.
It
just
wasn't
there
yet.
You
know
I
kind
of
cut
sergeant
ornick
off
there,
real
quick,
just.
I
To
make
that
timely
point-
and
I
I
do
agree
with
all
of
that-
and
I
think
commander
blue
and
I
are
in
agreement
if
we
were
there,
we
would
have
made
an
arrest,
but
we
were
not
there.
That
wasn't
our
call
the
issue,
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
you're
feeling,
but
the
issue
is,
we
can't
prove
the
bias
right.
We
can
only
investigate
what
is
what's
in
front
of
us.
So
that's
where
this
is
at.
C
Explanation
of
rule
four,
because
you
know
a
performance
of
duty
or
failure,
because
you
know
that's
to
me
that
would
not
be
unfounded
right.
G
H
What
was
what
was
the
commander
glue?
What
was
what
was
the
outcome.
I
It
was
shift
level
counseling
for
each
officer
and
then
I
think
three
or
four
training
classes
for
the
the.
H
It
was
clear
early
on
in
this
video
that
that
young
man
should
have
been
arrested,
and
it
wouldn't
matter
to
me
what
color
the
person
was
in
that
situation
under
the
same
facts,
but
you
know
to
say
that
the
officer
didn't
arrest
someone
because
they
were
white
or
it
could
be
vice
versa,
because
they
were
black
unless
they
speaking
those
terms,
you
can't
necessarily
say
that
to
be
true,
you're
being
really
you've
been
subjective,
you
know
basing
it
on
your
personal
feelings
or
whatnot
as
to
what
should
happen.
H
So
you
know
it's
no
argument.
It
was
a
failure
for
the
officer
to
do
do
their
job
in
this
situation.
I
don't.
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
the
12-hour
deal,
because
you
know
a
young
officer
should
have
a
zeal
when
they
just
getting
out
there
to
learn
this
job.
So
I
think
that
is
sufficient.
H
D
If
I
may,
I
think
that
this
is
you
know
this
was
tough
for
all
of
us
to
watch.
I
mean
this
is
this
is
white.
D
At
its
very
worst
at
its
worst,
we
are
we're
putting
a
lot
onto
this
new
rookie
officer
and
you
know
dede.
I
know
you
started
young
like
I
did
as
a
20.
You
know
one-year-old
cop,
I
I
don't
care
how
old
you
are.
You
went
through
the
police
academy,
you're,
an
adult.
You
are
a
badge
carrying
gun
caring
and
she
wasn't
the
only
person
there,
and
yet
this
young
man
is
allowed
to
curse
her
out.
He
is
he's
obviously
wealthy.
D
D
This
is
biased,
policing,
she
doesn't
it
and
I'm
not
putting
it
on
the
the
young
officer.
Only
there
were
a
lot
of
officers
there
it.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
failing
of
our
department
of
our
police
department
to
not
make
this
arrest.
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
anything
beyond
training
and
shift
level
counseling
is
going
to
help
that
rookie
officer,
but
this
is
this
is
a
failing,
and
this
is.
This
was
embarrassing
to
watch
our
department
with
all
these
officers.
A
I
agree
with
you:
shawna
look
not
to
say
she
is.
A
racist
doesn't
have
to
make
a
declaration
that
I'm
racist,
a
biased
person,
doesn't
have
to
make
the
declaration
that
I'm
being
biased
towards
one
person
as
against
the
other.
It's
their
actions
that
lets
us
know
who
they
are.
That
speaks
much
louder
than
what
they
say
and
clearly,
as
shanna
even
expressed
and
articulated.
This
was
a
this
was
clearly
bias.
A
We
can
bring
up
comparative
comparative
cases
and
we
can
see
the
difference
in
how
officers
treat
one
set
of
people
as
against
the
other
set
of
people
who
have
done
even
much
less
than
what
this
young
man
has
done.
So
I
can't
I
can't
say
that
you
guys
can
can
be
blind
towards
this
bias.
A
This
vice
action.
I
don't
know
what
more
should
happen
to
her.
No,
I
can
say
that,
but
like
let's
call
a
rosa
rose,
let's
call
a
chair
chair
and
that's
exactly
what
this
is.
I
can.
I
can
appreciate
that
she's
she's
new
at
the
job,
but
she's
still
like
shauna,
said
she
had
that
training
and
she
could
have
handled
this
different
and
not
just
her.
There
were
there's
the
guy
kept
yelling
out
five
different
officers
there
and
I
don't
know
if
there
actually
was
five
officers.
A
I'm
just
saying
he
was
saying
that
I
think
I
saw
like
two
or
three,
but
that's
all
I'm
saying
is
that
there
were
multiple
officers
there
and
some
with
more
experience
and
that
this
can
this
could
have
been
handled
differently,
so
to
say
that
the
that
that
this
should
be
unfounded
for
all
of
these
rules
of
the
these
alleged
rule
violations,
I
think,
is
completely
dishonest
of
what
we
saw
today.
J
I
would
say
real
quick.
He
was
mistaking
a
lot
of
firemen
for
cops.
I
I
made
a
note.
I
think
that
at
one
time
there
might
have
been
up
to
four
officers
there,
including
the
woman
officer
that
stopped
by
to
assist,
but
I
want
to
kind
of
touch
on
a
couple
things
that
have
been
that
have
been
talked
about
all
right,
that
we've
talked
about
his
behavior
and
how
entitled
he
behaved.
J
How
entitled
he
behaved
is,
I
would
say,
made
this
difficult,
obviously
more
complicated
for
her
to
process
through
you
know,
and
I
definitely
would
say
that
I
definitely
the
mindset
that
when
you
sign
up
for
something
you
know
with
12-hour
shifts,
you
have
to
work
through
it.
You
have
to
make
difficult
decisions
you're
going
to
have
to
work
through
complicated
people,
not
everybody's,
going
to
cooperate.
J
I
think
it
just
comes
down
to.
Like
you
said
I
looked
at
the
totality
of
this
and
I'm
not
the
one
who
signed
the
memo.
I
think
he
said
I
don't
see
where
the
accused
officer.
If
again
we
could
probably
get
into
you
know
somebody
might
be
saying,
there's
implicit
bias.
Somebody
might
say
that
there's
not,
I
definitely
don't
think,
there's
over
biased
bias
on
her
part.
I
definitely
still
would
stand
behind
the
fact
that
she
got
overwhelmed
in
a
complicated
situation.
J
J
J
C
Yeah
I
thought
about
that
her
situation
once
you
mentioned
it,
and
I
went
back
to
my
fto
days
back
in
the
day
and
once
I
was
by
myself,
I
wanted
to
arrest
everything
and
everybody.
C
C
So
I
think
that
some
of
the
the
old-timers
might
need
to
be
addressed
on
this
too
kind
of
you
know
what
I'm
saying:
hey,
if
they're
so
willing
to
go
home,
let
it
go
that
needs
to
be
a
policy,
that's
kind
of
dealt
with
as
well,
because,
in
my
opinion,
zero
times
is
serious
right
I
mean
if
the
car
had
not
been
disabled
and
she
okay,
I'm
just
let
you
go
and
she
crash
and
the
kid
crashes
kill
somebody
later.
That's
a
lot
of
liability
for
epd
and
the
city
members.
C
So
I
think
you
know
you
know
you
know
the
you
know.
J
The
deal
yeah
I
mean,
like
you
know,
as
far
as
you
know,
you
know
some
of
us.
I
know
that
you
know
some
of
us
have
prior
police
experience.
We
bring
those
being
the
three
months
out
of
training
perspective
to
it
as
well.
What
would
we
have
done?
Arrests,
the
zeal
we
would
have
brought
to
that
versus
also
not
everybody's,
that
way
people
get
overwhelmed,
they
get.
These
dui's
can
be
complicated.
They
get
overwhelmed
by
somebody
you
go
on
and
on.
J
There
is
no
defense
really
of
policy
defense
for
not
making
an
arrest,
it
does
not
exist
and
they
said
if
there's,
if
there's
an
implicit
bias
at
play,
that
would
be
very
difficult
to
prove.
He
said
me
looking
at
it
through
24
hours
or
24
years
of
police
work
and
obviously
knowing
the
individuals
that
are
there.
J
D
But
being
but
being
scared
to
arrest
someone,
because
they're,
rich
white
and
up
in
your
face
is
bias.
That
is
the
same
thing.
That's
still
racism
at
play.
So
I
see
like
I
see
what
you're
saying
ryan,
where,
where
you
know
she
she's
not
overtly
saying
anything,
she's
not
putting
words
out
there,
but
she's
afraid
to
arrest
him
every
officer.
D
There
is
afraid
to
arrest
him
and
do
their
jobs
properly
because
of
inherent
bias,
and
that
bias
is
to
give
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
and
let
someone
go
because
he
is
white,
rich
threatening
with
his
lawyer
and
saying
his
daddy's
on
the
way
and
has
his
bmw
up
on
the
curb.
This
would
not
be
the
case
if
we
added
in
a
whole
different
set
of
circumstances
it
just
it
just
wouldn't.
We
know
that.
J
He
said
I
would
say
this.
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
what
was
said.
I
didn't
get
to
view
it
a
little
bit
differently
and
I
don't
know
that
would
necessarily
be
the
case
if
you
get
somebody
who
all
the
same
circumstances
same
skin,
color,
much
very
aggressive
or
different
skin
color,
very
aggressive,
I
don't
know
how
it
would
have
turned
out.
I
can't.
J
J
Situations
like
this
play
out,
where
russ
should
have
been
made
plenty
of
times
where
officers
haven't
made
arrests
and
it
covers
the
cross-section
of
evanson.
I've
been
a
supervisor
here
for
12
years
over
12
years.
I
have
seen
this
play
out
across
section
of
evanston.
J
If
now
I
would
say
this
if
we're
revisiting
this
issue
under
similar
circumstances
with
the
same
officer
again
and
again,
then
we're
all
going
to
view
this
differently,
or
at
least
myself
and
sergeant
warnick
are
going
to
view
this
differently,
but
having
supervised
officers
in
similar
situations
for
as
long
as
I
have
I've
seen
this
play
out
similar
had
to
take
corrective
action
in
the
past,
in
similar
circumstances,
with
a
cross-section
of
evanston,
cross-section
of
gender
and
race.
A
Let's
just
make
sure
we
have
the
same
energy
with
other
people
with
with
tan
skin.
How
about
that?
Because
this
is
like,
we
can't
see
this
any
other
way
and
then
for
them
to
as
even
if
it's
just
for
rule
four
to
say
it's.
It
should
be
unfounded,
like
I
can't
agree
with
that
part.
I
Part
of
this
process
is,
it
goes
through
our
internal
review
and
then
it
comes
to
the
citizen,
review
commission
and
you
guys
say
whether
or
not
you
agree
that
the
investigation
was
thorough
or
not,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
chief
of
police
and
chief
cook
makes
the
final
determination
for
discipline,
which
has
not
happened
yet
right.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
know
just
because
this
is
what
happened
through
the
chain
of
command.
It
hasn't
been
signed
off
on
and
finalized
right.
H
And,
as
I
stated
you
know,
I
understand
the
perspective
that
you
all
are
talking
about.
With
respect
to
bias,
I
teach
that-
and
I've
taught
it
for
a
number
of
years,
but
to
say
that
the
facts
and
circumstances
of
this
particular
case
is
just
based
on
bias.
H
I
don't
see
that
and
it
could
you
know
I
I
see
ignorance
in
there
on
the
part
of
the
young
man,
and
I
see
the
officer
not
doing
what
I
would.
E
H
She
was
taught
to
do
in
field
training
in
the
police
academy,
but
you
know
just
to
say
that
I'm
gonna
penalize
the
person,
because
if
it
was
a
black
person
or
a
hispanic
person,
we
surmise
that
it
would
have
been
a
different
outcome
is
unfair
and
I
think
that
the
discipline
in
terms
of
training
is
the
most
important
thing
that
you
could
do
for
that
officer.
Right
now
and.
A
H
H
I
hope
other
people
would
understand
theirs,
but
when
these
police
officers-
don't
if
discipline
is
necessary,
I'm
willing
to
do
that,
but
when
I
think
that
it's
a
a
situation
where
training
would
be
sufficient.
H
I
also
believe
that
that's
important
to
do
also,
and-
and
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
things-
that
if
it
went
to
the
union
what
we
can
prove
you
know,
we
can't
prove
that
the
the
young
lady
was
being
biased,
even
though
her
implicitness
may
be
there,
because
it's
built
into
her
over
over
her
lifetime,
but
I
think
the
best
way
to
address
that
is
through
training,
yeah.
J
And
chief
and
I'm
a
talk
to
miss
richmond
mr
whitmore
as
well,
when
we're.
E
J
With
issues
of
bias,
if
bias,
if
this
officer
exhibits
bias,
it's
something
that's
going
to
come
out
over
time
and
probably
relatively
quickly
again
having
I
know
everybody
that
just
listed
is
that
police
experience
presently
police
officers
so
on
and
so
forth.
If
this
is
behavior
that
we
continue
to
see,
then
that's
going
to
be
an
establishment
of
a
bias.
J
So
if
supervisors
and
we
get
complaints-
and
we
look
at
this
and
go
well,
you
know
there
seems
to
be
a
willingness
to
make
arrests
here
under
someone
under
similar
circumstances
and
that's
always
slanted
towards
one
race
and
not
here,
where
it's
always
slanted
towards
another
right
now.
Also
we're
dealing
with
a
statistical
sample
of
one
with
this
officer,
as
this
officer
continues
with
her
career.
J
D
Agree
with
that
that
it's
not
overt
bias,
but
I
think
what
we
need
to
look
at
is
again
it's
not
about
just
her
as
a
new
officer.
It's
about
the
systemic
issue
within
the
evanston
police
department,
because
there
were
at
least
four
to
five
officers
there
we're
not
getting
the
complaints
like
the
incident
that
happened
on
ridge
and
I
think,
church
or
lake,
just
when
this
commission
was
being
founded,
where
a
young
man
who
mouthed
off
to
the
police
department
who
wasn't
even
in
the
car
that
was
stopped,
was
tackled
in
the
street.
We
don't.
D
D
We're
flipping
the
script
on
this,
we're
pointing
out
the
fact
that
this
is
a
young
white
drunk
or
at
least
intoxicated
privileged
young
man,
who
this
officer
and
multiple
officers
there
are
afraid
to
arrest
because
of
the
privilege
that
he
exerts
that's
bias.
That's
still
racism,
it's
just
not
the
kind
you're
talking
about
commander,
it's
just
not
that
that
overt
kind
of
racism-
and
I
realize
this
is
a
one-off
for
her.
But
it's
not
a
one-off
for
every
other
officer.
There.
H
H
And
we're
not
afraid
to
do
that-
I
understand
is:
is
racism
in
the
everson
police
department
but
to
say
that
this
situation
reaches
that
utopia
of
of
what
we
seem
to
see
as
overt
bias
or
bias
in
general.
I
don't
see
it
like
that,
and
I
watched
the
video
a
couple
of
times,
so
I
I
know
you
know,
I
think
we
all
on
the
same
page,
and
I
think
we
all
feel
the
same
way
about
this
video,
not
one
of
us
even
commander
glue.
H
Not
one
of
us
said
that
it
was
a
failure
of
the
young
lady
to
do
her
job,
but
the
disagreement
comes
in
when
we
become
subjective
about
our
opinions
of
this
particular
situation
and
all
of
us
are
going
to
have
different
opinions.
Some
of
us
are
going
to
have
similar
opinions,
but
I
do
understand
where
you
all
are.
With
this
conversation.
D
J
Aaron's
going
to
go
in
the
other
room
sergeant
warner
is
going
to
the
other
room
to
take
a
look,
and
if
it's
there,
we
would
have
to
again
have
it
redacted
and
viewed.
You
know
an
appropriate
manner.
Okay,
so
sergeant
is
going
to
look
right
now.
H
Yeah,
if
this
other
video,
I
think
you
know,
if
we
get
down
to
maybe
the
last
four
or
five
minutes
on
the
other
officer's
video
it
you
know
we
could
see.
Maybe
what
other
people
was
thinking
they
missed.
A
I
mean
first,
let
me
say
that
I
don't
need
to
keep
feeling
the
heat
from
the
fire
to
know
that
it's
hot,
I
don't
have
to
feel
the
heat
several
times,
but
that
being
said,
the
fact
that
we
knew
we
all
saw
that
there
were
other
officers
there
and
we.
This
is
our
second
time
reviewing
this.
With
these
same
circumstances,
these
same
allegations
memo
and
everything
like
that,
not
once
you're
just
now
on
at
this
time
reviewing
to
see
if
there
was
additional
video
from
other
officers.
A
Having
heard
this,
having
heard
this
video
from
her
body
cam
several
times,
having
heard
her
say
that
at
the
end-
and
no
one
ever
thought
before
tonight
to
review
the
body,
camera
of
any
of
the
other
officers
sit
there
to
see
if
she
gave
an
answer
to
why
she
didn't
make
an
arrest
that
night.
So
that
goes
back
to
why.
A
H
Well,
I
I
looked
at
it
as
she
failed.
That's
how
I
looked
at
it.
You
know
I
I
looked
at.
I
could
have
stopped
at
seven
eight
minutes.
You
know
when
a
young
guy
was
being
belligerent
and
and
disorderly,
and
what
his
friend
said
about
him.
You
know
I
was
finished,
then
in
terms
of
she
should
have
arrested.
She
should
have
arrested
him
and
you
know,
as
I
watched
it
to
the
end.
H
You
know
I
didn't
see
that
that
it
was
a
fact
of
of
bias,
even
though
we
can
look
at
it
in
hindsight
and
look
at
it
as
what
we
know
goes
on
in
america
and
what
we
know
that
goes
on
with
black
people
and
brown
people
that
it
could
be
said
it
was
biased,
but
it
ain't
a
situation
in
my
opinion
that
I
felt
she
was
being
implicitly
biased
and
not
trying
to
arrest
him
because
he
was
privileged.
A
Let's
move
away
from
the
bias:
let's
go
just
back
to
the
purpose
of
this
commission
to
see
if
there's
been
a
thorough
investigation.
This
has
been
investigated
several
times
now.
It's
coming
back
to
us
for
the
second
review
in
the
findings
or
the
recommendation
by
the
patrol
surgeon.
It
literally
says
that
he
should
collect
that
this
should
be
classified
rule
4
when
we've
all
agreed
that
rule
4
was
violated
violated,
but
it's
in
unfounded
for
rule
four,
so
succumb
to
jump
to
that
conclusion.
A
When
everyone
can
see
if
at
the
very
minimum
rule
four
has
been
violated,
we're
still
getting
an
unfounded
on
that.
That's
why
I
can't
say
that
there's
been
a
proper
investigation
of
this
matter,
it
keeps
seeing
like
it's
being
rolled
over.
I
mean
that's
my
view
on
it,
but
I
just
I
can't
see
how
everyone
can
say.
Oh
yeah,
she
didn't
do
her
job.
She
should
have
arrested,
but
we're
going
to
unfound
rule
4
where
it
says
that
phil
used
to
perform
a
duty
when
that's
her
duty
and
she
failed
to
perform
it.
A
So
I
don't
know
that
we
can't
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
watch
anything
else
tonight,
even
if
sergeant
warren
finds
it.
We.
J
C
J
It's
just,
I
think,
all
rule
four
is
failure
to
perform
a
duty.
Okay,
so
you
know,
obviously
it's
a
big
catch-all
rule,
but
this
is
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
we
came
forward
and
said.
We
think
it's
important
to
watch.
Video
is
because,
when
we
did
say
before
wherever
that
led,
that
was
important
part
what
this
commission
needed
to
do,
because
that
is
a
big
piece
of
the
investigation.
J
G
J
G
Geneva's
point
about
the
the
investigation
as
a
whole
on
the
fact
that
that
we're
now
having
to
go
back
at
this
point
to
see
if
there's
additional
video,
I
mean
that
should
have
been
something
that
I
mean.
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
question
in
everyone's
mind
for
whoever
was
doing
the
initial
report
when
they
saw
that
the
video
was
cut
off
at
the
end
right
before
she
was
about
to
give
her
her
reasoning
that
it
should
have
been
followed
up
earlier
than
tonight.
G
So
I
think,
just
in
terms
of
investigations
and
and
how
thorough
they
are.
You
know
this
is
just
a
a
point
in
in
in
saying
that
you
know
if
it's
clear
that
something
is
missing
from
the
overall
picture
that
should
be
looked
into
and
part
of
what
we
get
presented
to
originally
rather
than
us
saying.
Hey
did
no
one
realize
that
you
know
the
last
few
seconds
of
this
video
was
cut
off.
Do
we
have
more
and.
J
I
will
say
this
I
mean,
like
you,
know,
aaron
and
sergeant
warren
myself
are
not
the
ones
that
review
in
like
this
situation,
where
it
was
a
di,
it
was
largely
done
by
patrol
supervisors,
but
even
myself,
making
notes
reviewing
the
video
making
notes
to
prepare
for
this
meeting
and
listening
to
the
whole
thing.
All
the
way
through,
I
mean
I'll,
admit,
that's
something
I
missed
at
the
end.
J
J
Laying
out
probable
cause
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
things
that
I
thought
that
were
important,
those
things
will
happen.
But
again,
going
back
to
reviewing
video
is
an
important
part
of
the
goal
that
we're
trying
to
be
achieved.
Let
me
check
with
sergeant
warnock
real
quick.
I
think
he
jumped
on
the
phone
we'll
see
we're
at
with
that.
With
that
get
you
an
answer,
so
we
can
move
forward.
B
With
that
being
said,
so
it
doesn't
say
we're
going
to
have
any
resolution
with
this
particular
case
this
evening,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
You
know
this
case
will
not
be
able
to
move
beyond
this
commission
until
you
all
have
reviewed.
If
you
exhausted
the
review
to
the
point
where
you
all
say.
B
No,
you
know
you're
looking
at
the
thoroughness,
not
you
know
found
unfounded,
so
you're,
like
you
mentioned
geneva
earlier,
like
your
responsibility,
is
to
say
we
feel
that
this
position
this
this
case
was
reviewed
and
investigated
thoroughly,
may
not
agree
with
the
disposition,
recognize
that
and
that's
up
to
the
chief
then
to
take
into
consideration
when
making
the
final
disposition,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
everything
that
you
all
need
in
order
to
feel
that
it
was
thoroughly
reviewed,
and
I
do
recognize
that
at
times
we're
looking
at
the
incident
between
the
individuals
and
making
sure
that's
what's
being
reviewed
and
not
the
additional
conversations
that's
happening
outside,
so
I
you
know
I
will.
B
H
H
You
know
sometimes
we
have
to.
We
have
to
hammer
this
out.
You
know
I
send
stuff
back
all
the
time
to
people
and
ask
questions
why,
just
as
you
all
doing
so,
it's
validity
in
what
you
all
saying,
and
I'm
not
just
taking
my
word
as
the
final
say,
but
that
that
defeats,
what
public
and
citizen
review
is
all
about,
in
my
opinion,
so
we'll
we'll
make
sure
it
gets
put
in
the
right
perspective
for
you.
So.
J
I
Essentially,
the
accused
officer
starts
that
that
sentence
that
shawna
had
then
she
turns
her
camera
off
and
she
turns
her
camera
off,
because
the
other
officer
asks
her.
Is
your
camera
still
on
and
he
turns
there's
no
conversation.
They
both
turn
their
cameras
off
before
they
converse
which
they're
they're
allowed
to,
because
the
call
is
over
so.
G
A
A
J
J
J
J
A
J
J
G
A
J
J
That
the
basically
actions
appeared
to
be
the
result
of
a
head
injury
earlier
in
the
day
and
possible
mental
crisis.
Ambulance
requested.
H
Okay,
any
any
further
questions,
any
anything
you
want.
Would
you
want
us
to
look
at
this?
Is
the
time
to
say
it
you
know.
Is
it
something
specific
about
this
deal
that
you
want
us
to
look
at
or
that
you
don't
agree
with.
A
been
told
he
was
drinking
it
drinking
and
driving,
and
why
all
of
that
did
not
put
in
her
mind
like
well?
Maybe
I
should
at
least
do
a
field
sobriety
test
or
a
a
breathalyzer
or,
like
you
said,
the
zero
tolerance
drinking.
Why
an
arrest
wasn't
made
at
that
point
like
those
are.
Those
are
laws
that
she
is
that
she
has
to
uphold.
A
H
And
what
was
the
training
classes
commander
that
she
was
assigned
to?
Well?
They
haven't
been
assigned
yet
chief,
because
it
has
not.
I
We
have
a
few
some
we
have
a
couple
at
the
station
and
the
traffic
has
one
or
two:
not
every
car
has
them
like
a
lot
of
the
suburbs.
Do
it's
traffic
accident
investigation,
gui
enforcement
and
street
survival
were
the
three
training
topics.
D
D
H
No,
it
ain't
got
nothing
to
do
with
that
shauna.
It's
got
to
do
with
what
we
are
able
to
find
in
the
investigation,
and
we
we're
not
trying
to
cover
anything
in
this,
but
you
know
you
can
keep
bringing
up
stuff
all
night.
A
Well,
well,
we're
talking
about
the
the
the
thorough
investigation
at
this
point
right,
which
is
what,
which
is
what
we're
here
for
like.
We
can't
go
out
and
say:
no
go
back
and
arrest
some
more
you
should've
met
like
we
can't
do
that.
We
know
that
we
can't
give
out
the
punishment,
but
as
far
as
the
investigation
for
us
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
investigation
was
thrown
thorough
or
not
that's
what
we're
speaking
to
at
this
point
and
certain
things
were
not
done.
That
could
have
been
done.
A
D
B
H
I'm
good
I'm
hearing
what
they
saying
you
know
when
I
get
the
whole
packet
again
we'll
review
it
and
if
I
think
some
else
should
be
added,
I
certainly
will
do
that.
H
And
the
reason:
well,
the
reason
that
I
asked
did
anyone
have
any
things
in
specific
or
questions
so
that
the
sergeant
and
the
commander
could
look
at
what
you're
saying
or
concerns
you
have
look
into
those
before
I
make
a
decision
on
it,
and
I
wouldn't
do
that
until
if
you
know
my
goal
is
when
we
put
forth
a
case
and
it's
for
you
all
to
make
sure
that
it's
been
investigated
thoroughly.
That's
that's
what
I
want
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
you
know.
H
As
I
stated
earlier,
I
don't
want
to
be
the
dictator
of
what
is
right
and
what
is
wrong
when
we
got
a
board
that
has
input
and
that's
what
I
want
to
be
on
point
with
is
the
suggestions
that
you
all
make.
So
if
you
got
something,
as
you
all
have
stated,
shawna
you
bought
up
about
a
false
police
report.
Well,.
J
G
I
don't
want
to
raise
that
because
the
I
know
we've
been
focused
on
rule
four
here,
but
I
think
we
need
to
look
again
at
rule
two,
because
it
that
one
is
any
action
or
conduct
which
impedes
the
department's
efforts
to
achieve
its
goals,
missions
or
values
when
it
goes
on.
I
think
the
fact
that
two
of
the
officers,
the
more
senior
officers,
are
saying.
Well,
you
know
we're
tired.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
deal
with
a
citation
or
an
arrest.
G
I
A
I
also
think
that
she
shouldn't
be
the
only
one
on
the
shopping
block
again
we
said
there
were
several
officers
there.
You
know
she
said
she's,
taking
all
the
heat
right
now
from
us,
but
we're
also
talking
about
these
other
officers
that
are
veterans
and
they
should
not.
They
should
not
escape
culpability
in
this
transaction.
Well,.
H
You
know
I
want
to
look
at
it
as
a
opportunity
for
you
all
to
have
input
to
make
it
better.
You
know
when
I,
when
I
do
discipline,
you
know
it's
a
mix.
You
know
I
don't
like
to
just
be
punitive
without
giving
training.
So
that's
how
I
like
to
look
at
it
now.
H
If,
in
this
investigation,
those
other
officers
did
some
out
of
line,
they
should
be
held
accountable
on
that
also.
I
agree
with
that,
but
let's,
let's
just
get
a
little
list
of
things
that
you
all
are
unsatisfied
with
you've
been
taking
notes
commander,
glue.
J
H
Okay
and
then
we'll
we'll,
look
at
that
and
then
we'll
we'll
come
back
at
the
next
meeting
with
with
what
the
determination
is
on
that
and
also
the
just,
so
that
they
could
see
that
it
was
both.
Officers
entered
the
video.
At
the
same
time,.
B
I
H
E
J
J
Gonna
send
this
back
for
another
review,
we're
gonna
expedite
it.
I
think
that
we're
gonna
aaron
brought
up
rule
six.
Might
we
would
we
would
look?
We
would
do
our
own
review
to
make
sure
everything
is
covered
before
sending
it
back,
and
then
we
would
try
to
expedite
and
get
it
back
in
front
of
this
committee
or
by
the
next
meeting.
J
E
J
I
think
it
one
of
the
things
that
we've
hit
on
before
is
the
body-worn
camera.
Viewing
is
is
necessary
as
part
of
this
process,
especially
we
review
it
when
we
review
it,
we
root
with
the
body-worn
camera.
All
these
issues
will
come
out
the
first
time
and
will.
B
So
with
that
we'll
keep
this,
we
will
come
back
again
for
review
in
may,
we
should
be,
may
5th
will
be
the
next
leading
schedule,
and
and
and
also
we
will
discuss
anything
else
that
you
all.
B
So
is
there
anything
from
this
conversation
tonight
that
the
commission
will
like
for
the
chief
and
I
to
deliberate
more
about
you
know
your
concerns
that
I
heard
from
the
group
tonight
was
around
there's
a
culture
or
there's
this
since
that
there's
a
culture
around
a
bias
in
the
culture
that
lends
to
something
like
this
to
become
somewhat
subjective
and
that
we
need
to
kind
of
look
at
the
whole
organization,
not
just
the
individual,
about
how
do
we
continue
to
train
our
our
police
officers
as
an
organization
because
you're
mentioning
enough
about
you,
know
this
person
being
privileged
versus
those
who
may
not
have
the
same
type
of
privilege
to
skin
color
or
gender,
or
you
know
well,
how
are
we
ensuring
that
those
biases
are
not
playing
a
part
in
how
our
police
officers
are
engaging
is
what
I
was
hearing
the
common
theme,
and
that
is
not
just
an
individual
issue.
B
A
I
would,
I
would
say
so:
yeah
and
just
the.
A
That's
definitely
that's
definitely
a
concern
for
us
that
it
or,
for
me
at
least
that
I
think,
should
be
looked
at
and
how
like
there
really
should
be
a
review
of
the
cases
for
comparability
on
how
cases
are
handled,
whether
by
rookies
or
veterans,
and
then
also
taking
into
consideration.
A
B
Chief
and
maybe
we
can
talk
more
and
bring
it
back
to
the
committee,
this
is
me
just
mentally
kind
of
brainstorming.
Maybe
there
are
some
things
that
you
all
want
us
to
see
happen
in
the
review
process.
That
could
be
helpful
to
ensure
bias
is
being
acknowledged
through
the
process,
because
what
it
seemed
to
be
that
you
all
come
from
a
different
lens
than
those
who
are
in
the
organization
and
even
though
we're
looking
at
it
from
an
individual
case-by-case
basis.
B
There
are
things
where
maybe
it's
important
that
there's
some
way
of
checking.
How
are
we
ensuring
that?
Whoever
is
reviewing
these
cases,
be
it
not
always
in
the
ops
office,
but
in
the
sergeant
level
and
commander
and
so
forth
that
they're
looking
through
that
in
a
way
that
their
bias
is
also
is
being
sure
that
it's
not
clouding
their
recommendations
to
for
discipline
or
whatever
else
that
may
come
from
these
types
of
situations.
H
Yeah
yeah,
I
agree,
and
you
know
some
of
these
issues
I
think,
could
be
overt
if
it
was
adequate
supervision.
Responding
to
these
calls,
because
I
I
would
expect
the
supervisor
to
recognize
what
should
be
happening
on
these
things,
in
particular
this
scene.
H
You
know
we
wouldn't
even
be
in
this
conversation
if
it
was
supervision
there
and
the
young
lady
would
have
did
the
right
thing
in
terms
of
arrest
and
what
her,
what
her
officers
did,
so
that
that
is
another
way
that
I
would
like
to
see
this
looked
at
is
you
know,
look
at
the
supervision
at
them
particular
points
and
and
this
ain't.
H
The
first
case
that
I
looked
at
where,
if
supervision
had
been
on
the
scene,
it
could
possibly
have
been
better,
but
we
got
it
and
and
and
we
got
understanding
so
I'm
looking
at
commander,
you
think
we
can
have
a
second
look
by
the
21st
of
april
and
then
they
can
get
it
and
and
have
it
for
a
couple
of
weeks.
J
J
Sergeant
warning,
yeah,
sergeant
warren,
and
I
will
come
in
tomorrow,
make
sure
the
review
that
this
office
needs
to
do
is
done
tomorrow
and
sent
through,
and
then
we
will
make
every.
We
will
make
it
known
through
the
rest
of
the
review
and
investigation
process
that
this
is
to
be
expedited
and
back
by
a
certain
day.
H
That
sounds
good
and
we'll
get
it
we'll
get
it
to
kimberly
by,
like
the
21st
or
22nd
and
that'll.
Give
you
all
two
weeks
to
take
a
look
at
it.
E
B
Just
saying
that
you
know
this
is
why
the
commission
was
reconstituted,
and
this
is
why
it's
important
that
you
be
honest,
you
know,
like
I
said
you
all
and
the
police
may
have
a
different
perspective
in
the
discipline,
but
the
thoroughness
of
the
investigation
we
have
to
ensure
is
done
in
a
way
that
everyone
feels
that
it
was
done
properly
professionally
and
thoroughly.
And
so
I
appreciate
your
pushing
back
on
that
and
continue
to
do
that,
because
this
is
only
going
to
make
our
police
department
better
and
our
process
transparent.
H
And
this
is
not
the
first
time
well
it
under
the
other
commission.
We
would
get
stuff
kicked
back
and
we
make
adjustments
to
it
all
the
time.
B
Yeah,
I
just
say
to
this
group
because
I
know
this
is
the
new
group,
so
anyway,
I'm
done
sitting
on
my
whatever
I'm
doing
right
now,
but
I
will
hand
it
back
over
to
you
chair,
so
I
can
learn
how
to
pronounce
our
committee
members
names
properly
over
the
weekend.
I
am
so
sorry
y'all.
It
is
not
intentional.
I'm
trying.
D
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
in
this
next
review
that
we're
looking
at
all
the
officers
involved,
not
just
the
one
accused
officer,
you
know
taking
a
look
at
that
report
that
she
wrote
and
the
accuracy
of
that
report
when
we
compare
it
to
the
body
cam
worn
video
that
was
so
helpful
tonight,
but
there
were
multiple
officers
involved
so,
like
junita,
said
earlier,
we're
kind
of
dumping.
D
J
J
G
J
It's
in
it's
in
your
packet,
and
I
know
that
everybody's
tired,
it's
just
not
as
it's
not
as
insightful
as
her.
My
mom.
A
A
B
B
J
Yeah
sure
so
the
other
officer
stated
that
they
were
dispatched
to
I'm
gonna.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
the
other
the
memo
it
starts
out.
In
summary,
on
523
2020
reference
case
number,
this
officer
was
dispatched
to
an
intersection
sheridan
road
sharing
place
to
assist
another
officer
regarding
a
1050
upon
arrival
turned
on
body,
cam
assisted
the
officer
at
the
scene
with
the
with
the
vehicle
on
a
stop
with
the
driver
and
upon
completing
their
activity,
turn
off
body
camera
return
to
the
evanston
police
department.
C
But
is
that
the
officer
who
who
the
kid
got
in
in
his
face
a
little
bit?
It's
the
officer.
C
J
Yeah,
there's
a
there's,
a
woman
officer
and,
if
you
just
for,
if
we
watch
this
again
or
in
the
future
as
we're
watching
videos,
well
matt
has
a
shield
so
there
as
all
the
redactions
are
going
on
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
everybody's
wearing
a
blue,
uniform
and
blurred
out.
They
have
a
shield
instead
of
a
star
even
watching
this
myself,
I'm
like
who's
that-
and
I
could
tell
it-
was
on
that
officer
by
looking
at
the
shield.
J
Well,
I
would
say
for
the
for
this,
for
this
being
a
d
for
being
a
di
and
not
being
put,
which
is,
we
said
very
consistent
with
a
situation
like
this.
This
could
be.
This
is
sufficient
to
add
to
start
off
with.
There
may
be
questions
later,
and
especially
with
the
body
worn
camera,
we're
able
to
go
back
and
kind
of
that
speaks
for
itself.