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A
This
evening
our
city
clerk
couldn't
be
here,
but
we
have
our
deputy
city
clerk
eduardo
gomez,
so
eduardo.
If
you
could
take
the
role,
please.
B
A
A
Yeah,
I
don't
see
aldermen
fleming.
Thank
you.
Eduardo
welcome
everyone
to
the
monday
november
16
2020
special
city
council,
meeting
evanston
city
council
tonight
special
meeting
is
going
to
be
focused
on
the
2021
budget.
We
do
have
quorum
this
evening,
alderman
braithwaite
couldn't
be
with
us.
I
I'm
not.
I
believe
alderman
fleming
will
be
joining
us
for
this
meeting.
If
I
could
ask
alderman
wilson,
if
you
would
move
the
motion
that
we
can
suspend
the
rules
allowing
for
remote
participation
tonight,.
C
D
A
He's
not
here
right
now,
all
right
alderman
suffered,
and
you
were
a
yes
on
that
right.
I
didn't
hear
them.
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
motion
passes
on
a
7-0
vote
to
hold
this
meeting
remotely
and
that's
due
to
the
ongoing
pandemic.
The
copa
19
pandemic
next
up
is
mayor
announcements,
I've
just
two
announcements
tonight,
one
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
is
running
for
office
in
the
upcoming
spring
elections.
Today
was
the
first
day
to
submit
your
petitions.
I
know
several
people
here
with
us
tonight
who
are
sitting
alderman,
have
submitted
their
petitions.
A
So
thank
you
for
for
your
willingness
to
run
again
and
thank
you
to
many
other
people
in
the
community
who
are
also
there
running
for
either
vacant
positions
or
or
challenging
incumbents.
It's
important
to
our
process
here
in
evanston
that
people
are
willing
to
to
participate
in
the
these
elected
positions.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Second,
I
just
want
to
give
a
quick
update
on
covid19
things
are
turning
worse
in
our
state.
A
They
are
turning
worse
in
our
own
community.
Today's
numbers,
we
had
37
cases
in
evanston,
if
you
think
that's
a
high
number,
that
is
a
high
number,
it's
not
as
high
as
60,
and
we
had
60
on
last
thursday,
which
I'm
going
to
talk
about
in
a
minute.
Today
we
had
11
632
cases
in
the
state
of
illinois.
A
The
overall
numbers
across
this
nation
are
skyrocketing.
They're
over
a
100
we've
had
a
daily
total
over
180
000
experts
believe
it
will
cross
the
200
000
mark
pretty
soon
before
we
can
try
to
slow
this
down.
A
Our
seven
day,
positivity,
which
I
know
we've
always
been
proud
of
here
in
evanston,
is
moving
up
quickly.
It
is
at
5.69
percent,
so
that
means
5.69
of
all.
The
people
that
are
tested
are
testing
positive.
Here
in
evanston,
the
state
positivity
rate
is
12
and
a
half
percent,
it's
even
higher
in
cook
county
and
in
the
city
of
chicago
our
seven
day.
Moving
average
is
37
cases
a
day.
A
It
is
critical
for
us
to
contain
and
manage
the
virus
that
we
know
who
you
are
in
close
proximity
to
for
a
period
of
time.
If
you're
found
to
have
tested
positive,
it
is
incredibly
important
for
everyone.
If
you
test
positive
in
our
public
health
specialists
reach
out
to
you,
please
please
return
their
call.
It
is
protecting
your
friends
and
your
family
and
it's
protecting
your
community.
I
can't
stress
this
enough.
A
A
I
did
put
an
announcement
or
a
message
out
from
the
mayor
30
minutes
ago
to
the
community
and
the
the
title
of
this
message
is
flattening
the
curve.
Again
because
that's
the
point
that
we're
at
right
now-
and
I
just
it's
a
very
short
message,
but
I
want
to
share
it
with
the
community
on
thursday
and
well
with
right
cases
rising
at
an
alarming
rate,
both
locally
and
nationally.
We
have
entered
a
critical
phase
in
our
fight
against
cope
at
19.
A
A
So
here
in
evanston,
if
you
think
oh
we're
somehow
different
we're
not
we
are
seeing
a
rapid
increase
and
we've
doubled
our
positivity
in
the
last
two
weeks,
perhaps
most
concerning
covet
19
hospital
admissions
in
our
area
have
increased
by
65
percent
in
a
week
as
health
care
providers
begin
to
restrict
elective
surgeries,
to
avoid
a
delay
delay
to
avoid
or
delay
shortages
of
beds,
supplies
and
staff.
All
of
this
comes
as
colder
weather
pushes
us
indoor
where
the
virus
can
spread
more
easily.
A
We
are
approaching
a
moment
of
crisis.
I'm
asking
every
evanstonian
to
take
this
advisory
seriously
and
to
commit
to
the
following
actions:
number
one
stay
at
home
as
much
as
possible
limit
outings
to
essential
errands
and
activities
such
as
school
work,
grocery
shopping
and
pharmacy
visits.
If
you're
able
to
work
from
home,
please
do
so
number
two
limit
gatherings
to
the
extent
possible,
refrain
from
attending
or
hosting
gatherings
with
those
who
do
not
live
in
your
household
number.
A
Three
limit
non-essential
travel-
if
you
were
thinking
of
traveling
for
the
upcoming
holidays
or
having
friends
and
family
to
your
home.
Now
is
the
time
to
reconsider
those
plans
double
down
on
the
basics.
By
now
we
should
all
know
the
drill
wear
face
covering
in
public
settings,
keep
six
feet
away
from
others,
wash
your
hands
thoroughly
and
often
don't
get
complacent.
A
If
we
don't
get
this
under
control,
I
worry-
and
I
know
our
businesses
and
our
aldermen
and
everyone
in
this
community
and
across
the
state
worries
that
we
will
be
in
a
mandatory
stay
stay-at-home
order,
which
is
what
happened
this
spring.
We
want
to
avoid
that,
but
the
only
way
to
avoid
that
is,
if
all
of
us
do
our
part
right
now.
These
are
the
most
effective
tools.
A
The
weeks
and
months
ahead
will
be
challenging,
but
the
sacrifices
we
all
make
to
flatten
the
curve
today
will
save
lives
tomorrow
we
did
it
last
spring
and
I
know
we
can
do
it
again.
I
am
continually
grateful
for
your
efforts.
Your
vigilance,
your
sacrifices
during
this
extraordinarily
difficult
time,
be
safe
and
be
well.
Thank
you.
A
G
A
Okay,
deputy
city
clerk
gomez,
couldn't
make
the
announcement-
I
guess,
okay,
so
we'll
come
back.
We'll
come
back
for
that.
Eddie,
though,
why
don't
you
share
with
everybody
top
of
the
hour
right
now
if
they
are
planning
to
to
file
petitions
to
run
for
office
when's?
The
final
due
date.
B
A
B
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Eddie
all
right.
We're
now
going
to
move
to
public
comment.
Let
me
just
check
all
right.
I've
got
four
people
luke.
It
looks
like
that.
I've
signed
up
for
public
comment
for
our
rules.
Each
person,
if
we
have
less
than
15
people
that
have
signed
up
each
person,
can
have
up
to
three
minutes.
So
we
have
four
people
that
have
signed
up
today.
So
each
of
you
can
have
three
minutes
for
public
comment.
A
The
first
one
is
megan
hughes,
then
mike
fasilco,
then
jamie
collier
than
ray
friedman.
So
thank
you
for
speaking
and
we'll
start
off
with
you.
Megan.
A
All
right,
all
right
so
I'll,
come
to
megan
at
the
end
and
we'll
go
to
mike
fasilco
next,
so
welcome
mike
then
jamie
call
you
then
ray
freeman.
I
Thank
you
very
much
very
sorry
to
hear
about
all
that
covent
news,
but
thank
you
for
going
through
the
details.
I
I
I've
sent
several
emails.
I
just
wanted.
Basically,
this
is
a
summary
of
things
that
have
I've
sent
over
the
last
week
or
so
at
our
last
ward
meeting
and
I
believe
peter
braithwaite
scheduled
a
second
ward
meeting
that
is
going
to
be
a
combination
of
the
second
fifth
and
sixth
awards
tomorrow
night
to
carry
over
and
continue
the
conversation
about
the
budget.
I
So,
in
my
mind-
and
this
is
something
I
wanted
to
stress
tonight-
is
my
mind-
the
budget
discussion
does
not
end
tonight.
We
we
had
a
similar
meeting
with
the
three
wards
last
week.
It
was
kind
of
late
in
the
process.
I
I
I
haven't
seen
that
budget
memo
issued
even
the
last
two
packets
that
were
issued
erica
storley,
has
still
not
addressed
my
request
since
august
to
have
a
total
debt
breakdown.
I
I
I've
seen
that
I've
not
seen
that
responded
to
so
I
am
asking
is
that
this
budget
meeting
to
be
clear
tonight
that
the
budget
meeting
doesn't
end
budget
discussion
doesn't
end
today,
but
it
goes
on
until
the
11th
of
the
30th
of
november,
and
I
think
all
of
unru
simmons
said
that
last
week
at
the
ward
meeting
that
it
could
be
extended
until
everyone's
questions
are
addressed.
I
Erica
storley
said
25
to
30.
People
would
cut
enough
of
the
of
the.
I
Budget
to
prevent
a
tax
increase
and
we'd
like
to
see
that
I
mean
I
personally
would
like
to
see
that
I
know
others
would
like
to
see
that
take
place.
We
don't
need
a
another
budget,
I'm
sorry
a
property
tax
increase
on
top
of
everything
else,
that's
happening
with
coveted
people
not
having
work,
etc.
I
even
went
on
to
suggest
that
it
should
be
more
than
30
people.
It
could
be
as
many
as
50
people.
I
I
A
J
Thank
you.
I'm
amy
collier
from
the
sixth
ward,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
members
and
the
city
staff
for
the
time
that
they've
taken
to
conduct
zoo
meetings
to
listen
to
and
answer
questions
from
ward
residents.
J
J
J
A
Thank
you.
Next
up,
we've
got
ray
friedman.
K
About
that,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
welcome
everyone
good
evening.
I
want
to
say
first
thank
you
to
jamie
and
thank
you
to
mike.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments,
and
so
the
first
part
of
my
comments
is,
as
I
want
to
thank
everybody
like
jamie
said.
Thank
you
for
city
council,
all
the
staff.
I
want
to
thank
alderman,
sufferden
alderman,
simmons,
alderman
braithwaite,
to
put
together
the
joint
meeting
that
we
had
last
week.
K
K
K
K
I
always
felt
welcome
and
appreciate
all
the
information
and
the
discussions
that
came
out
of
the
fifth
ward
and
all
the
other
awards
that
I
of
meetings
that
I've
attended.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
wanted
to
thank
tom
sufferden
for
suggesting
the
multiple
award
meeting
to
begin
with
and
one
more
thank
you.
An
alderman
called
me
out
a
while
ago,
when
I
had
several
questions
about
the
tif
program
so
and
she
wasn't
there
that
night,
that
I
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you.
K
Okay,
now
that
I
finished
my
comments
about
the
alder
men
and
women,
a
few
questions
about
the
budget,
how
much
money-
and
I
don't
think
this
question
was
answered-
how
much
money
has
have
we
saved
by
closing
city
hall
and
when
will
city
hall
be
reopening?
K
Also,
I'm
very
confused
that,
after
we'll
be
we'll
be
we'll
be
spending
more
on
expenses.
This
year
we
went
from
320
million
dollar
budget
this
year
to
a
297
million
dollar
budget
next
year.
How,
and
where
did
we
save
23
million
dollars
and
then
why
do
we
need
to
increase
property
taxes?
K
A
I
thank
you
ray
all.
Right
did
megan
hughes
join
us
luke.
K
A
Do
not
believe
so
mayor,
okay,
all
right,
so
then
was
there
anyone
else
that
wanted
to
speak
at
public
comment
that
I
missed.
That
was
everybody
that
I
saw
that
had
signed
up.
A
That's
correct!
Thank
you
all
right.
So
that
concludes
public
comment.
Thank
you
for
everybody
for
sharing
your
thoughts
on
the
budget,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
top.
Today's
discussion
is
on
the
2021
budget
in
terms
of
the
timeline
for
folks.
We
have
been
talking
about
the
budget
for
the
last
month
or
so
there
have
been
ward
meetings
as
well
by
aldermen
and
joint
ward
meetings
to
discuss
it.
A
L
Okay.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
sp1
is
the
2021
budget
discussion
we're
being
asked
to
continue
our
discussion
on
the
2021
proposed
discussion.
I
move
approval.
D
A
All
right,
all
right
so
sb1
is
now
open
for
discussion.
I'm
gonna
ask
the
city
manager
to
start
us
off
on
this
discussion
this
evening.
F
F
All
right,
so
thank
you.
We
have
had
a
lot
of
feedback
about
the
budget
in
the
past
month
and
we've
incorporated
some
of
that
into
some
changes
that
you'll
see
this
evening.
First
of
all,
to
start
the
discussion
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
funding
of
police
and
fire
pensions,
so
we
have
asked
our
actuary
to
come
tonight
and
give
a
brief
presentation
about
the
recommendations
that
they've
provided
to
us
and
why
we
have
put
their
recommendations
into
our
proposed
budget.
F
So
at
this
point
I
will
turn
it
over
to
them
just
to
give
us
an
overview
of
pension
funding
and
where
we
are
and
how
we
are
doing
and
progressing
towards
our
goal
of
fully
funding
those
and
then
after
they
speak,
we
have
some
additional
items
to
share
with
you
regarding
the
feedback
you've
given
us
about
funding
the
human
services
fund
and
police.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
hitach
to
introduce
our
actuary.
M
H
M
M
Look
who
can
do
this
thing
like
move
the
slides
or.
M
H
Okay,
is
that
good,
yep?
Okay?
So,
as
as
mentioned,
my
name
is
jason
franken
and
I
am
an
actuary
with
with
foster
and
foster.
We
have
been
performing
the
actuarial
evaluations
for
your
police
and
fire
pension
plans
since
2015..
So
we've
been,
you
know
this.
This
year
was
our
sixth
valuation
that
we've
done
for
you.
Hitach
asked
me
to
sort
of
give
a
high
level
introduction.
H
You
know
an
overview
of
a
pension
funding
and
just
all
of
the
things
that
go
into
it
and
then
you
know
so
I'll
spend
you
know
10
or
15
minutes
on
that,
and
then
we
can
talk.
You
know
specifically
about
your
your
plans.
You
know
at
the
at
the
ends,
so
I'm
gonna
flip.
You
know
so
I
have
I
shared
a
presentation.
H
You
know
the
presentation
is
probably
like
45
minutes
or
so
I'm
not
I'm
so
I'm
going
to
skip
through
it,
basically
just
to
get
rights.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
feel
free
to
to,
let
me
know
so.
The
first
thing
I'm
going
to
start
with
is
basically
the
funding
basics.
So
the
the
fundamental
truth
to
pension
plans
is
really
summarized
by
one
equation
and
that
equations
on
the
page
here
you'll
see
that
you
know
the
benefits
plus
expenses.
H
That's
really
the
liabilities
that
are
in
the
plan.
The
pension
plans
are
here
to
provide
benefits
to
retirees
and-
and
so
that's
really,
you
know
the
be
and
be
in
the
equation.
The
benefits
all
of
the
benefits
that
need
to
be
provided
by
provided
by
the
pension
plan
and
then
any
expenses
that
are
also
paid
from
the
trust
need
to
be
considered.
H
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
those
liabilities
need
to
equal
the
assets
in
the
plan
and
so
the
right
hand.
Side
of
the
equation
is
really
the
assets.
It's
made
up
of
two
two
separate
pieces,
you
have
contributions
and
you
have
investment
earnings.
Let's
talk
specifically
about
the
contributions
for
a
minute.
H
Contributions
come
from
two
sources,
the
members
in
the
plan,
and
then
the
plan
sponsor-
or
in
this
case
the
the
city,
the
police
officers,
contribute
9.91
of
their
salaries
to
to
the
pension
fund,
firefighters,
a
slightly
less
at
9.455
percent.
These
are
these
two
amounts
are
defined
in
the
illinois
pension
code,
they're
set
by
statute,
so
they're
controlled
at
in
springfield.
H
You
know
the
this,
isn't
something
that
the
city
has
has
you
know
put
in
place.
This
is
really
again
controlled
in
springfield.
The
the
city's
contributions,
on
the
other
hand,
are
determined
by
the
annual
actuarial
valuation.
You
know
we
need
these
two.
We
need
this
equation
to
remain
in
balance
and
so
to
the
extent
that
the
benefits
in
the
plan
go
up
or
the
investment
earnings
go
down.
You
know
the
contribution.
H
The
actuarial
required
contribution,
the
city
is
responsible
for
providing
these
benefits
and
and
so
to
the
extent
that
you
don't
get
the
investment
earnings
that
you
were
expecting.
H
You
know
the
city
has
to
make
up
for
those
for
those
losses
or
if
people
live
longer
than
what
ex
then
what's
expected,
our
benefits
in
the
plan
go
up
and
and
and
so
we
need
to
have
larger
contributions.
As
I
mentioned,
the
the
members
contributions
are
set
set
in
statute,
so
those
don't
change.
So
the
annual
actuarial
evaluation
really
determines
the
amount
that
the
city
has
to
contribute
to
each
of
the
pension
plans.
H
H
So
you
can
think
of
this
as
okay
they're,
you
know
just
like
their
medical
premiums.
You
know
this
is
the
amount
of
pension
benefits
that
are
being
earned
by
the
plan,
so
there's
that
piece,
then
the
second
piece
is
an
amortization
payment
that
is
intended
to
lower
your
unfunded
liabilities
in
in
your
plan.
So
right
now
your
unfunded
liabilities.
H
So
over
the
next
you
know,
20
years
or
so
we're
trying
to
reduce
and
eliminate
that
unfunded
liability
to
ensure
that
we
have
enough
assets
on
hand
to
cover
the
all
of
the
future
benefit
payments
when
they
come
due
and
and
so
really
at
the
end
of
the
day.
That's
what
our
contribution
is:
it's
the
normal
cost,
which
is
the
cost
of
your
providing
a
pension
to
your
current
actives,
plus
the
amortization
payment.
H
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
a
little
bit
to
the
you
know,
so
the
when
we,
when
we
do
our
actuarial
evaluation,
we
have
to
use
budgeting
mechanisms.
Those
are
called
the
actuarial
cost
method
and
the
cost
method
is
intended
to
you
know
it's
a
budgeting
mechanism.
How
are
we
going
to
pay
for
a
pension
plan?
Our
pension
benefit
over
the
course
of
a
person's
career,
so
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
okay,
joe
smith,
is,
is
he's
we
hired
him
at
age.
H
H
Make
sure
we
cover
it?
How
15
years
are
we
going
to
accumulate
1
million
dollars
and
there's
really
two
cost
methods
that
are
used?
The
entry
age,
normal
cost
method
and
the
projected
unit
correct
credit,
cost
method.
The
entry
age
normal
cost
method
is,
is
the
method
that's
used
by
over
90
percent
of
public
plan.
You
know
public
pension
plans
across
the
country.
It's
also
required
by
gasby,
which
is
you
know,
you're
fine
in
which
determines
how
we
recognize
your
pension
plan
in
your
financial
statements.
H
So
entry
age,
normal
cost
method,
is
the
cost
method.
That's
mo.
That's
most
often
used.
We
are
using
that
in
in
your
case,
the
reason
that
I'm
used
that
I
even
mentioned
the
projected
unit.
Credit
cost
method
is
because
that's
the
method
that's
outlined
in
the
illinois
pension
code,
for
the
statutory
minimum
contribution
amount
and,
and
so
the
amount
that
that
you're
contributing,
but
on
the
entry
age
normal
is
going
to
be
higher
than
the
projected
unit.
Credit
cost
method,
which
is
the
amount?
H
That's
you
know
again,
that's
that's
required
by
the
the
state
of
illinois.
H
So
this
is
just
graphically
shows
you
the
difference.
The
entry
age
normal
is,
is
the
dotted
red
line
it
it.
It
spreads
that
million
dollars
evenly
over
the
course
of
a
person's
career,
while
the
projected
unit
credit
cost
method,
as
you
can
tell,
increases
significantly
over
a
person's
career
and
is
very
back
loaded.
H
This
is
a
a
common
thing
in
the
illinois
pension
code.
It
it
is
extremely
backloaded
in
in
evanston,
you've
taken
a
lot
of
steps
to
elim
eliminate
some
of
that
backloading.
So
you
should
be
applauded
for
that,
but
there
still
is
some
backloading
that
exists
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit.
So
this
this
entry
age,
normal
versus
the
projected
unit,
credit
cost
method,
really
determines
the
normal
cost.
That's
that's
the
first
piece,
the
active
employee
piece
of
your
contribution.
H
The
the
problem
with
that
is
that
you
are
ignoring
10
of
your
liabilities,
you're
targeting
90
rather
than
100
percent,
so
you're,
letting
10
of
your
liabilities
grow
at
six
and
six
and
a
quarter
percent
each
each
year.
And
that
means
that
you're.
You
know
at
least
for
a
portion
of
your
unfunded
liability
you're,
not
paying
paying
it
down
you're,
letting
it
grow
unchecked
until
the
year
2040..
H
So
there's
many
considerations
on
the
the
amortization
and
I'm
just
going
to
jump
to
the.
H
Example
that
I
have
here
just
in
the
interest
of
time
the
payroll
growth
assumption
what's
in
the
illinois,
pension
code
is
based
also
based
on
the
level
percentage
of
payroll,
which
creates
a
funding
ramp.
You've
probably
heard
of
the
funding
ramp,
and
this
is
what
again
is
in
the
pension
code,
and
I
would
just
give
you
an
example
to
show
you
what
a
30-year
amortization
of
10
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
looks
like
and
you'll
see.
In
this
particular
case,
we
have
an
interest
rate
of
six
and
a
half
percent.
H
You'll
you'll
see
that
if
you're
using
a
level
dollar
approach
your
first
year,
payment
is
719
000,
which
is
more
than
the
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
interest
that
you
would
have
in
the
first
year.
So
under
the
level
dollar
approach,
if
you're
funding
the
entire
one
hundred
percent
of
your
unfunded
liability,
you
would
start
paying
down
your
unfunded
liability
immediately
where
the
payroll
growth
most
plans
in
the
state.
Are,
you
know
three
and
a
half
or
four
percent?
H
So
if
you
move
to
that
example,
you'll
see
that,
under
the
level
percentage
of
payroll
with
a
four
percent
payroll
growth
assumption
your
first
year,
payment
is
460
000,
that's
significantly
less
than
the
650
000
of
interest.
That's
being
you
know,
that's
accumulating
on
your
unfunded
liability,
so
you
have
what's
called
negative
amortization
you're,
paying
650
000
of
our
your
unfunded
liability
is
earning
650
000
of
interest,
so
it's
increasing
but
you're
only
paying
460
000.
So
your
unfunded
liability
doesn't
go
down.
It
goes
up
by
nearly
190
000
because
of
that
negative
amortization.
H
This
is
a
common
issue
with
the
with
the
illinois
pension
code
is
the
the
negative
amortization
and
allowing
that
unfunded
liability
to
grow,
because
the
payments
aren't
sufficient.
So
just
to
show
you
on
the
next
two
slides
what
what
this
looks
like
over
the
30-year
period.
If
you
had
the
level
dollar
amortization,
where
you're
paying
off
the
entire
unfunded
liability
that
green
line-
your
you
know,
your
payment
would
never
increase
if
you're,
using
the
level
percentage
of
payroll
approach,
and
you
have
a
four
percent
payroll
growth.
H
Assumption
you'll
see
that
that
that
payment
that
we
saw
that
first
year,
payment
of
460
000
increases
to
over
1.4
million
dollars
at
the
at
the
end
of
30
years.
So
it
increases
by
more
than
you
know
three
times
during
that
period
because
of
that
negative
unfunded
life
or
negative
amortization
that
occurs
in
the
early
years
and
your
unfunded
liability.
H
But
it
takes
17
years
to
get
back
to
10
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liabilities.
So
you
start
at
10
million
you
make
17
years
of
payments
and
then
you're
still
at
10
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
and
the
reason
I'm
you
know,
spending
time
on.
This
is
just
to
show
you
that
the
statutory
approach
to
funding
in
illinois
is
extremely
fault.
Flawed.
H
The
month
after
that,
and
so
getting
away
from
the
approach
that
is
outlined
in
the
illinois
pension
code
is
extremely
important
because,
as
you
can
tell
you
make
17
years
of
payments
to
get
back
to
the
point,
your
starting
point-
and
that's
not
you
know,
that's
not
a
path
to
being
financially
a
sound.
So
so,
with
all
that
in
in
mind,
I'm
going
to
turn
my
focus
to
the
to
your
specific
situation
and
did
I
stop
scr
sharing
my
screen
or
is
it
still
shared
being
shared.
B
H
Meanwhile,
the
police
pension
plan
has
a
slightly
higher
funded
ratio
at
49.8,
but
they
have
over
132
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
since,
since
the
plan
is,
is
bigger,
there's
more
people
covered,
so
there's
more
unfunded
liability.
This
is
based
on
an
interest
rate
of
of
six
and
a
q.
You
know
six
point,
two
five
percent.
H
This
is
what
the
the
board
and
the
investment
consultants
in
you
know
I
have
suggested,
is
the
is
the
most
appropriate
rates
the
city
has
actually
been
funding
in.
I
believe
anyway,
that's
my
understanding.
They've
actually
been
funding
us
assuming
a
six
and
a
half
percent
investment
return
assumption,
which
leads
to
slightly
lower
contributions.
H
H
Sound
than
what's
in
the
illinois
pension
are
some
shortfalls,
so,
rather
than
funding
to
a
90
funded
ratio
by
2040,
the
city
has
been
funding.
Well,
sorry,
let
me
take
a
step
back
rather
than
funding
to
a
90
funded
ratio
by
2040
using
that
level
percentage
of
payroll
or
that
pension
ramp.
H
The
deficiency,
though,
is
that
we're
only
targeting
90
percent,
so
we're
ignoring
10
percent
of
our
our
liabilities
and
as
a
result,
the
the
payments
you
know
there
there
has
been
negative
amortization.
Remember
what
that
means
is
that
our
payments
are
not
large
enough
to
cover
the
interest
on
the
unfunded
liability.
H
So
at
this
point
we
have
reached
the
us,
the
you
know:
we've
reached
the
situation
where
we
are
actually
starting
to
pay
down
our
unfunded
liabilities
slightly
and
that
will
increase
as
we
get
closer
and
closer
to
2040..
H
A
couple
of
things
I
want
to
address
that
have
happened
recently
that
you
may
have
heard
about
one
is
that
a
pension
consolidation
bill
passed
late
last
year,
so
by
by
january
or
by
june
30th
of
2022.
It's
intended
that
there
will
be
two
statewide
public
safety
pension
plans,
one
for
police
and
one
for
fire.
H
The
good
news
of
the
consolidation
is
that
the
investment
restrictions
will
be
lifted.
There,
there's
a
lot
of
restrictions
that
these
plans
face.
They
can't
invest
like
imrf,
which
is
the
statewide
pension
fund,
invest
its
money
because
of
the
restrictions
that
are
in
place
they're
there.
H
You
know
I'm
not
sure
why
they're
there,
but
but
they
have
inhibited
the
pension
plan's
abilities
to
generate
larger
in
investment
returns
so
that
that
will
go
away
and
that
6.25
percent
assumption
you
know
could
be
increased
if
we
increase
that
assumption
it
will
lower
your
unfunded
liabilities
and
increase
your
funded
ratio.
So
that's
that
was
one
the
positive.
H
A
positive
of
the
consolidation
position,
the
the
other
piece
of
that
legislation,
was
that
it
increased
tier
2
benefits
for
those
that
don't
know
starting
effective.
You
know:
1
1,
20,
11,
there's
a
new
tier
of
benefits.
The
benefits
are
not
as
rich
for
those
people
who
were
hired
after
2010
as
they
were
before
2010..
H
So
the
benefits
were,
you
know
significantly
less.
This
bill
actually
did
increase
the
benefits
for
tier
two
people
slightly
they're,
still
not
nearly
as
large
as
the
tier
one
people,
but
it
was
a
benefit
improvement
that
occurred
last
year.
That
did
add
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
additional
contribution
to
each
pension
plan
this
this
year.
So
I,
I
guess
in
you
know,
high
level
summary,
while
we
you
know,
are
funding
more
than
the
statutory
minimum.
H
I
I
if,
if
we're
looking
to
eliminate
our
unfunded
liability,
you
know
I
do
suggest
increasing
our
target
from
90
to
100
percent,
which
which
would
increase
the
contributions
in
the
short
term,
but
over
the
long
term
it
would
reduce
the
city's
obligation
to
to
the
pension
plan,
because
you
would
get
more
money
into
the
plan
sooner.
That
money
would
earn
compound
interest
rather
than
you
having
to
pay
that
compound
interest
by
by
deferring
the
the
payments
in
the
15
or
20
years.
H
A
Hey
jason,
this
is
steve,
steve
haggerty!
Oh,
let
me
put
my
screen
back
on.
This
is
steve
haggarty,
so
I
don't
do.
Were
you
here
during
public
comment?
Did
you
hear
the
comments?
Because
you
know
there
was
one
there
was
one
commenter
who
said
and
it
sort
of
makes
sense
right
that
hey
your
return
has
actually
been
better
than
you
anticipated
over
the
last.
You
know
several
years
to
the
amount
of
like
it's
returning
three
and
a
half
million
dollars.
What
the
person
cited
more
than
what
you
sort
of
had
anticipated.
A
It
would
return.
You
know,
give
people
the
600
000
savings,
now
sort
of
from
that
right
and
you're
still
you're
still
sort
of
ahead.
Can
you
talk?
Can
you
talk
to
that?
Just
in
terms
of
the
estimated
returns
that
you
expect
and
over
what
period
of
time
that
you're
projecting
those.
H
Yes,
so
thank
thank
you.
Yes,
I
can
address
that,
so
we
are
assuming
six
and
a
quarter,
and
I
think
over
the
last
six
years,
or
so
the
police
pension
fund
has
you
know
it
was,
you
know,
has
exceeded
the
that
that
target.
H
That's
in
there
right,
we
have
the
contribution
requirements
are
really
you
know.
Contributions
made
to
the
plan
are
really
what's
what's
going
to
drive
that
contribution
and
if
we
were
100
funded,
you
know
that
would
that
would
be.
You
know
we
could
lower
the
contribution
because
we
wouldn't
have
any
unfunded
liability.
Unfortunately,
both
plans
are
over
50,
underfunded,
right,
49.8
and
44.2.
H
So
we
have.
You
know
a
lot
of
unfunded
liability
about
a
240
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
in
these
two
plans,
and-
and
so
you
know,
really
any
sort
of
additional
savings
or
additional
investment
earnings
that
we
get
are
really
going
to.
H
You
know
really,
you
know,
make
up
for
some
of
the
sure
that
currently
exists
in
in
the
plan
so,
like
I
said,
if
you
were
90,
even
90,
funded
or
100
funded
that
that
would
make
sense
to
me,
but
with
you
know,
without
having
a
target
of
100
and
being
as
you
know,
being
the
current
funded
levels
that
they
are.
You
know
really
the
only
thing
that's
going
to
eliminate
that
unfunded
liability
are
more
contributions,
not
even
talking
about
reducing
it.
H
I
think
an
increase
needs
to
be
made
to
those
contributions
if
you
really
what,
if
you're
looking
to
pay
down
your
unfunded
liability,
because
right
now
you
know,
there's
240
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
and
at
six
and
a
quarter
percent
interest,
you
know
that's
increasing
right
significantly.
Each
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
jason.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
I
know
a
lot
of
us
are
happy
to
have
you
here
to
answer
questions
alderman
wilson
had
a
question
or
comment.
C
Sure-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
this-
these
numbers
off
the
top
of
your
head,
but
in
the
presentation,
I
don't
think
you
went
on
this
slide,
but
you've
got
the
two
components:
the
normal
cost
and
then
the
amortization
payment.
C
And
do
you
know
what
the
rough
ballpark
with
the
amortization
payments
are
for
police
and
fire
in
the.
H
H
Yes,
so
for
so
for
fire
fire
pension
plan,
you
know
more,
you
know
about
70
of
the
contribution
is
for
the
unfunded
liability,
so
only
about
30
of
it
is
to
cover
the
the
pensions
for
the
current
active
employees.
The
rest
of
it
is
to
try
to
eliminate
that
unfunded
liability
that
that
I
mentioned,
and
it
looks
like
the
police
plan-
is
about
the
same
same
ratio
so
about
a
third
of
the
total
contribution
is
going
to
cover
active
employees.
C
So,
in
other
words,
if
we
were
close
to
fully
funding,
we
wouldn't
have
that
amortization
payment
right.
H
C
Okay
and
then
that
so
that
gets
to
my
my
threshold
concern,
which
is
reducing
the
contribution
is
then
going
to
inc
it
that
will
increase
those
amortization
payments,
basically
starting
next
year
for
the
next
decades
correct
so
every
year,
paying
more
by
trying
to
save
the
money.
Now.
H
H
M
H
C
A
N
Collier
has
been
active,
submitted
three
questions.
I
think
that
you've
addressed
them,
but
I
had
sent
them
to
kate
and
hitach
earlier
I'd
like
to
ask
them
in
the
form
that
she
presented
them
and
if
I
could
have
you
answer
them,
jason
I'd
appreciate
it,
okay,
so
the
first
one
is,
since
the
city
has
made
contributions
to
the
pension
fund
for
the
last
two
years,
based
on
a
six
and
a
half
rate
of
return,
as
proposed
doing
the
same
for
fiscal
year.
H
H
So
in
2016
we
adopted
the
amortization
or
sorry
the
new
mortality
table,
but
we
did
we
deferred
to
2017,
on
the
investment
return
assumption
and-
and
so
at
that
said
in
2017
you
know
we
would
change
it.
We
changed
it
to
27.
You
know
we
changed
it
in
2017
from
six
and
a
half
to
six
and
a
quarter
because
the
the
we
felt
that
that
was
the
most
appropriate
rate
after
consulting
with
the
investment
consultants.
H
At
that
point
it
was
there
was
a
difference
in
an
opinion.
I
I
guess-
and
you
know
tim
could
probably
talk
to
this
better
than
me,
but
you
know
there
was
a
difference
in
the
opinion
and
the
the
city
felt
like
the
the
funding
should
occur
at
six
six
and
a
half
percent
rather
than
six
and
a
quarter.
I
think
it
was
primarily
driven
by
the
increase
to
the
contribution
that
results
when
you
low,
when
you
have
the
the
six
and
a
quarter.
H
If
I
just
look
at
the
contribution
at
six
and
a
half
is
about
it's
about
1.2
million
dollars
less
than
it
than
it
is
at
six
in
a
quarter.
So
there
was
a
disagreement.
I
I
believe
in
in
terms
of
that
rate,
and
we
you
know
the
board
has
continued
to
do
the
report.
H
You
know
issue
the
report
at
six
and
a
quarter
and
then
we've
provided
a
an
additional
letter
to
to
summarize
the
results
at
six
and
a
half,
so
we
we've
felt
that
six
and
a
quarter
at
is
the
is
the
more
appropriate
rate,
but
the
funding
has
continued
at
six
and
a
half.
I
I
mentioned
this
a
little
bit
ago,
but
I
think
this
is
all
subject
to
change
within
within
the
next
two
years.
H
Once
the
consolidated
fund
takes
the
money
and
invests
it
based
on
the
prudent
person
rule,
we
could
see
that
assumption
go
up
from
six
and
a
quarter
to
you
know
six
and
a
half,
maybe
even
high
as
seven
percent.
So
this
is
a
an
assumption
that
we
think
will
change
here
in
the
short
term,
we,
like,
I
said,
we've
recommended
six
and
a
quarter,
but
the
city
has
continued
to
fund
at
least
the
last
couple
of
years.
At
six
and
a
half.
N
Okay
thanks.
The
second
question
that
jamie
submitted
today
was
what
is
the
impact
of
love,
return
from
six
and
a
half
to
six
and
a
quarter
on
the
plan's
accrued
liabilities.
N
The
presentation
that
was
out
before
did
not
discuss
the
effect
of
changes
in
the
rate
of
return,
which
is
used
as
discount
rates
and
future
payouts
on
the
plan.
Liabilities.
H
Yes,
so
the
if
the
police
fund
was,
the
report
was
done
at
six
and
a
half.
The
accrued
liability
would
go
down
by
about
eight
million
dollars
and
the
fire
plan
would
go
down
by
about
six
million
dollars.
So
in
total
the
city's
unfunded
liability
would
go
down
by
about
fourteen
million
dollars
at
six
and
a
half
versus
six
and
a
quarter.
N
H
H
So
while
we're
using
level
dollars
the
amount,
isn't
you
know
until
the
last
until
2019,
the
amount
wasn't
sufficient
to
cover
all
of
the
interest.
So,
even
though
you
are
using
a
level
dollar
by
having
that
that
lower
target,
there
still
has
been
negative
amortization,
and
so
so
that's
that's
one
piece
of
it.
The
other
piece
of
it
why
the
unfunded
liabilities
have
have
increased.
H
There
have
been
several
assumption,
changes
that
that
have
been
made
over
the
last
five
years.
When
we
first
took
over
the
work,
the
the
mortality
table
that
was
being
used
was
not
it.
There
were
adjustments
to
it
that
we
didn't
believe
were
reasonable.
There
was,
you
know
they
were
using
a
standard
table,
but
there
was
a
a
factor
that
was
being
applied
that
increased
the
mortality
or
mortality
rates
by
you
know
up
to
200
percent.
H
H
Next,
we
lowered
the
investment,
return
assumption
from
six
and
a
half
to
six
and
a
quarter
that
increased
the
unfunded
liability
and
then
last
year
there
were
there
were
new
public
sector,
public
safety
mortality
tables
that
were
released.
So
we
did
update
our
mortality
table
again
last
year
and
then
I
guess
the
last
item
this
year.
There
was
the
benefit
improvements
that
added
about
a
million
dollars
of
unfunded
liability
to
each
of
the
plans.
H
H
O
M
I
mean
alderman
flaming,
I
must
have
given,
or
you
must
have
seen
like
our
cafe
numbers,
which
are
like
two
year
gap.
The
last
audited
report
is
as
of
december
31st
and
which
would
show
the
let's
see
the
police
pension
at
56
percent
and
the
fire
at
48
percent,
but
things
change.
These
are
the
two
years
old
numbers
yeah
I
mean
it's
based
on
the
2019
number.
These
are
the
numbers
that
which
we've.
H
Sorry
to
interrupt,
but
was
that
for
the
the
financial
statements
is
that.
H
Yes,
so
just
alderman
fleming
so
you're
aware
there
are
two
separate
measurements
there
is.
You
know
these
numbers
which
that
I've
been
talking
about
are
really
based
on
the
illinois
pension
code
and
the
requirements
therein
for
the
financial
statements.
We
have
to
abide
by
the
governmental
accounting
standards
board
and
they
have
completely
different
rules.
H
Illinois
pension
code
numbers
are
not
gasby
compliant,
so
the
the
biggest
difference
between
the
the
two
is
the
the
asset,
smoothing
and,
and
so
the
numbers
that
you
were
probably
looking
at
were
probably
as
of
january
1
2020,
and
that
is
coming
off
a
year
in
which
you
know
the
police
fund
earned
over
21.
H
Investment
smoothing
and
we
have
smooth
enough
gains
over
a
five
year
period
to
eliminate
volatility
that
arises
when
you
invest
in
the
market,
so
there
was
a
21
percent
21
rate
of
return.
Last
year
we
only
recognized
20
percent
of
that
in
our
calculations
of
that
49.8,
so
you'll
have
some
investment
gains
that
will
help
you
in
the
coming
years.
However,
on
the
gas
we
have
to,
we
can't
smooth
the
investment
gains
or
losses
over
any
period
of
time.
H
We
have
to
recognize
them
immediately,
so
coming
off
a
a
really
strong
year
that
gas
b
ratio
is
going
to
be
higher,
because
we
recognize
that
entire
21
percent
gain
investment
earning
immediately
and
and
so
as
a
result,
you
would
see
a
funded
ratio
that
is
higher
than
what
we're
reflecting
here.
If
you
go
back
to
2019,
when
the
2018
returns
were
poor,
you
would
have
you
would
rather
than
49.8,
you
would
probably
would
have
seen
something
around
45.
H
Those
gasby
numbers
are
much
more
volatile
because
you
can't
smooth
investment
gains
and
losses
so
that
that's
probably
the
difference
that
you're
looking
at
it's
just
a
different
set
of
rules,
which
one
is
correct.
Well,
if
you're
talking
to
your
accountant
or
your
auditor,
he
would
say
the
gatsby
numbers
are
the
ones
you
need
to
focus
on.
But
when
you're
talking
about
your
cash
contribution,
these
are
the
numbers
that
that
we've
been
discussing
tonight.
Those
are
the
ones
you
need
to
focus
on.
A
All
right,
seeing
none
stick
with
us
jason
for
for
a
bit
and
eric
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
you.
F
Thank
you
all
right,
so
switching
gears
a
little
bit
to
some
of
the
other
questions
and
concerns
that
we've
been
contemplating.
As
we've
progressed
through
the
budget
discussion,
we
have
been
talking
a
lot
about
the
police
department
and
how
we're
funding
the
alternatives
to
9-1-1
pilot
program
that
we'll
be
implementing
in
in
2021.
F
So
we
did
prepare
a
couple
of
slides
to
show
a
scenario
where,
by
we
could
transfer
some
some
savings
in
the
police
department
to
the
human
services
fund
to
fund
that
program
and
eliminate
the
tax
levy
that
would
be
associated
with
that
program
if
the
council
wished
to
proceed
in
that
manner.
So
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
ask
kate
to
share
her
screen
and
we'll
walk
through
that.
F
Excuse
me,
because
of
cobit,
and
so
you
know
that
savings
from
the
11
police
officer
positions
that
we're
proposing
to
eliminate.
You
know
that
cash
is
just
no
longer
there
and
able
to
be
transferred
over.
It's
simply
gone
we're
going
to
make
a
lot
less
money
or
a
lot
less
revenue
next
year,
due
to
the
current
situation
than
we
otherwise
would
see.
So
in
a
normal
year
would
be
seeing
our
typical
revenues
as
we'd
expect.
F
You
know
there
would
be
those
savings
and
those
dollars
would
be
available
to
reallocate
to
other
services,
but
because
of
the
position
that
we're
in
they're.
Simply
not
so.
I
talked
with
chief.
We
have
been
having
some
conversations
about
whether
or
not
there
would
be
some
savings
that
we
could
garner
from
police
training.
F
F
His
suggestion
was,
if
he
needed
some
additional
savings
that
he
could
also
get
by
with
one
additional
less
fte,
but
we
wouldn't
propose
to
eliminate.
We
would
just
propose
to
hold
it
bacon
for
the
year.
We
also
have
one
additional
vacancy
in
the
records
department
that
we
could
also
hold
vacant
for
the
year
to
achieve
that
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
savings
and
then
that
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
would
be
actual
cash
that
we
could
transfer
into
the
human
services
fund
to
support
the
alternative
emergency
response
pilot-
that's
being
conducted
through
these
human
services
subcommittee.
F
This
would
reduce
our
proposed
increase
to
the
human
services
fund
roughly
by
half,
and
we've
also
put
a
consideration
out
to
reduce
the
additional
50
000
that
was
proposed
for
senior
services.
So
if
you
recall
this
is
something
that
staff
proposed
adding,
but
through
a
lot
of
the
conversations
in
the
board
meetings,
a
lot
of
seniors
will
be
providing
feedback
that
they
would
rather
have
a
lower
property
tax
increase
than
have
this
additional
fifty
thousand
dollars
that
was
being
proposed
for
senior
services.
F
So
if
we
took
those
two
suggestions,
the
overall
property
tax
levy
would
be
down
to
four
point:
five
percent,
taking
into
account
the
library
as
well.
So
how
that
all
shakes
out
into
our
chart
that
we've
been
showing
each
week
as
you
can
see,
we've
eliminated
the
general
fund
tax
levy,
which
was
originally
going
to
go
to
the
fund
balance
because
we
cut
the
proposal
in
half
from
a
million
down
to
500
000.
F
Here
you
can
see,
the
human
services
fund
goes
down
to
250
from
500,
and
then
we
have
our
debt
service
and
our
fire
pension
funding.
So
that
gets
our
total
levy
for
just
the
city
down
to
4.1
percent
and
then
on
the
next
slide.
You
see
how
we
add
in
general
assistance
and
we
are
up
to
4.5
percent,
which
is
down
from
the
5.9
percent.
We
originally
proposed
back
in
early
october,
and
I
believe
that
is
the
last
slide.
F
So
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
feedback
from
the
council
on
what
your
thoughts
are
on
this
and
also
if
there
is
any
thoughts
on
the
pension
funding
and
if,
if
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction,.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
erica.
Let
me
just
start
off
with
a
question:
can
you
refresh
our
memory
on
the
50
000
for
additional
senior
services
that
you're
now
saying,
based
on
the
award
meetings
and
everything
else?
Perhaps
we
don't
do
that.
So
what
would
that
mean?
Service-Wise
like
what
was
that
50
000,
I'm
forgetting
what
that
50
000
was
to
provide
for
senior
services.
F
It
was
originally
intended
to
be
support
for
seniors
through
financial
assistance.
We
really
hadn't
flushed
out
exactly
how
it
was
going
to
work,
and
then
there
were
some
other
mechanisms
brought
forth
by
the
health
department
that
they
thought
might
be
a
better
fit,
and
so
they
were
proposing
to
use
it
for
something
different.
So
at
this
point
it's
it's
largely
unallocated.
It's
just
allocated
for
senior
services
and
the
council
could
determine
where
that
would
be
allocated.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
alright,
so
open
it
up
to
any
questions
or
comments
about
the
city,
manager's
suggestions.
There.
C
I
appreciate
the
additional
attention
to
those
other
changes,
so
I
don't
think
I
heard
the
the
comments
about
the
senior
services
at
my
own
board
meeting
so
I'll.
Just
I
guess,
take
the
word
for
it
that
that's
been
some
of
the
some
of
the
feedback
so,
like
I
said,
I
appreciate
those,
as
I
think,
probably
comes
as
no
surprise.
I
I
feel
pretty
strongly
now
about
not
wanting
to
change
that
pension
funding.
C
I
just
feel
like
it
buys
us
a
tax
increase.
You
know
next
year
literally
and
for
many
years
after
that-
and
you
know
I
appreciate
the
comments
from
from
jamie
collier
who
had
you
know,
pointed
out
some
of
these
efforts.
It's
been
challenging,
for
you
know
the
the
staff
to
budget
the
council
to
make
decisions,
but
the
progress
is
slow
and
it
will
continue
to
be
slow,
but
it's
important
progress
to
make-
and
I
just
would,
I
think,
would
be
unfortunate
if
we
took
steps
backwards
on
that.
C
C
I
also
think
you
know,
while
this
does
look
like
there
would
be
a
small
tax
increase,
it's
a
property
tax
increase
and
I
really
want
to
try
to
stay
away
from
the
you
know
the
more
regressive
types
of
fundraising
that
we
do
that
we
can.
You
know
it's
easier,
just
to
kind
of
bury
it
somewhere,
but
you
know
if,
if
there
is
this
kind
of
increase,
you
know
it's
that
goes
back
to
transparency.
C
You
know
we're
flushing
out
what
this
is
getting
spent
on
and
you
know
people
should
and
need
to
understand.
You
know
what
things
cost
and
when
why
we're
spending
the
money.
So
I
think
those
are
all
relevant
components
to
the
conversation.
O
Yeah,
so
I
like
ottoman
wilson
did
not
hear
those
comments.
I
mean
I
get,
I
guess
in
my
ward
meetings.
I
didn't
bring
up
the
senior
program
as
a
you
know,
as
a
yes
or
no
right,
I
brought
up
a
lot
about
the
tax
burden.
I
was
hopeful
to
see
that
reduced
and
maybe
allocated
out
of
some
other
funding.
I
had
talked
to
just
for
a
history
of
you
all.
I
had
talked
to
city
manager
story
about
that
because
you
know
I
have
many
singers
in
my
ward.
O
They
are
living
off
of
very
fixed
incomes.
Costs
are
increasing,
yet
their
incomes
are
not
increasing,
and
so
they
were
finding
themselves.
You
know
really
burdened
with
trying
to
keep
up
with
all
the
finances,
particularly
that
the
property
tax
increases,
so
I
had
asked
about.
If
there
was
a
way
we
can
support
seniors,
who
don't
qualify
for
general
assistance
and
maybe
some
other
things,
because
they
are
not
quite
poor
enough,
but
not
quite
rich
enough
to
maintain.
O
So
I
I
do
appreciate
that
not
coming
out
of
the
tax
levy
because
again
trying
to
help
people
and
then
burdening
them
with
that
cost
is
not
helpful,
but
hopefully
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
be
really
mindful
of
not
losing
our
senior
population
because
they
just
can't
afford
to
live
here
anymore.
The
part
about
the
human
services
levy.
I
think
there
still
was
that
correct,
200
or
250
000
in
there.
O
I
I'm
trying
to
look
for
the
memos
we're
talking,
but
I
just
want
to
be
refreshed
on
what
that
money
is
for
even
that
lower
levy.
What
that
money
is
for.
I
think
there
was
a
memo
somewhere.
I
can
look
for
thank
you
for
looking
at
how
to
fund
the
alternative
response
program.
I
think
my
only
concern
is
well
this
year.
It
would
be
fun
to
buy
those
positions
being
held,
that
we
would
be
very
mindful
to
not
start
something.
O
You
know,
as
a
committee
and
as
a
city
and
then
not
have
it
really
be
fully
funded,
to
operate,
you
know
and
for
the
duration
right.
So
I
don't
want
it
to
be
something
that's
operating
now
and
then
next
year
we're
looking
at
a
tax
increase
or
something
else
to
kind
of
make
it
a
long-term
service
provision
for
residents
and
then
to
chief's
point
about
the
training.
I
do
want
our
officers
to
be
fully
trained.
O
I
think,
and
when
I
look
at
that
list,
many
of
those
things
are
things
that
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
are
covered
in
this
alternative
response
model
and
while
those,
whatever
staff
we
have
with
alternative
response
model,
can't
respond
to
every
call.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
be
mindful
of
the
goal
of
that
program,
so
I
do
think
we
should
look
at
where
our
officers
maybe
can
do
training
every
other
year
versus
every
year.
O
You
know,
I
think,
about
the
escalation-
that's
very
important
across
the
board,
but
maybe
some
things
that
they
can
do
every
other
year,
just
to
be
mindful
of
cost,
and
also
that
we
are
trying
to
ramp
up
some
other
services
to
respond
to
people
who
don't
need
an
officer
there.
So
I
still
would
like
us
to
think
through
that
125
thousand
dollars.
If
there
are
trainings
that
they
can
do
next
year,
you
know
by
training
as
a
virtual.
O
Maybe
some
trainings
are
not
worth
doing
virtually
and
they
should
wait
until
next
year
or
the
year
after,
when
we
can
do
them
in
a
live
manner.
So
I
do
want
us
to
kind
of
push
a
little
bit
more
there
for
some
cost
savings
and
then
erica
for
the
positions
that
you've
listed
on
the
that
you're
going
to
hold
vacant.
Are
they
currently
full
or
they
currently
vacant,
positions
that
we're
just
going
to
get
a
whole
vacant.
O
F
That
was
a
position
in
the
I.t
department.
It
was
not
a
position
in
the
police
department.
P
F
You
know
pretty
significantly
expensive
software
in
the
police
department
a
few
years
ago,
and
we
have
been
investing
in
that
software
to
try
to
maximize
its
usability
so
that
the
committee,
the
human
services
committee
and
the
public
at
large
can
get
the
best
data
out
of
that
system
that
can
be
attained.
I
don't
think
we're
there
yet.
I
think
we
have
a
ways
to
go
before
we
are
getting.
You
know,
sort
of
those
reports
and
those
numbers
that
you
all
are
seeking.
F
As
you
remember
in
august,
when
we
were
sifting
through
all
that
911
call
data,
it
was
very
lengthy,
luminous
reports
on
that
it
was
timely
to
digest.
So
I
see
us
looking
in
2021
at
looking
at
the
role
of
the
positions
that
currently
do
those
records
and
then
looking
at
it
from
a
data
analyst
perspective
versus
a
more
of
a
clerk
perspective.
So
the
adage
of
old
records
passed
was,
you
know,
sort.
G
F
Turning
reports
that
were
already
made
out
of
the
system
but
21st
century
policing
requires
a
high
level
of
analysis
of
this
data
that
I
think
we
need
to
work
to
achieve.
So
we'll
be
looking
at
how
we
fill
those
positions
in
the
future,
with
more
of
an
I.t
background
versus
potentially
more
of
an
administrative
background,
so
that
we
can
use
that
data
to
better
inform
how
we
make
decisions
and
how
we
respond
to
those
calls
going
forward.
O
Okay,
so
if
just
for
your
records,
if
you
can
just
look
into
what
ms
esther
did
say
about
the
dashboard
being
correct
or
not
correct,
and
how
you
know
how
it's
okay
and
then
my
last
part
I
will
say,
is
that
I
do
appreciate
the
actual
or
what
was
his
name.
O
The
gentleman
who
gave
the
presentation
it
was
very
thorough
and
I'm
not
a
mathematician,
but
but
I
do
still
you
know
it
is
hard
to
pass
on.
O
Even
though
we've
gotten
down
from
5.9
to
4.5,
it
is
very
hard
to
pass
on
the
tax
increase
when
we
just
we
know
people
are
not
doing
well,
we
know
even
we've
laid
off
many.
You
know
workers
many
probably
have
evanston
residents
and
so
audra
wilson.
I
understand
your
point
and
I
you
know,
respect
your
opinion
of
not
wanting
to
go
backwards
and
I
don't
want
to
go
backwards
either.
O
I
I
just
can't
it
would
be
very
hard
for
me
to
move
forward
with,
with
the
tax
increase,
even
understanding
that
you
know
it
is
just
not
ideal
and
nothing
is
perfect
right
now,
but
when
people
don't
even
have
employment-
and
we
know
there's
no
mortgage
relief,
you
know
coming
there's
no
rental
relief
coming,
you
know
any
any
tax
increase
is
just
going
to
be
a
burden,
and
because
we
are
meeting
you
know,
the
current
retired
officer's
needs
right
now.
O
I
think
going
down
to
what
we
had
last
year,
which
was
still
over
the
state
minimum
so
not
ideal,
but
still
over.
The
state
minimum,
I
think,
is
worth
us
doing
for
one
year
to
really
show
that
we
understand
you
know
it's
a
hard
year,
but
we
are
trying
to
do
the
best
to
bring
the
tax
levy
down
as
close
to
zero
as
we
can,
we
have
to
pay
our
debt.
F
I
did
have
ike
here
if
he
wants
him
to
talk
about
the
increase
to
the
human
services
fund
that
you
had
asked
about.
O
Q
Understand
sorry
about
that
good
day,
members
of
the
city
council.
This
is
ike
oppo,
director
health
and
human
services
department.
So
the
increase
to
the
human
services
fund,
as
erica
alluded
to
was
500
000,
which
was
of
course
inclusive
of
the
200
000
designated
for
the
emergency
response,
alternative
plan
and,
as
we've
indicated
as
erica
indicated,
that
has
that
will
be
revised
by
ensuring
that
this
it
is
now
funded
partially
by
holding
two
positions
from
the
police
department.
Q
So
that
means
the
increase
is
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
what
it
was
originally
and
going
forward.
If
council,
of
course
approves
what
erica
has
presented,
that
means
it
will
still
be
at
the
same
amount,
but
it
will
be
funded
differently.
So,
from
my
understanding,
it's
a
500.
It's
a
500
000
increase
from
what
it
was
originally
and
if
the
approval
goes
tonight
to
fund
the
human
services
fund
by
holding
these
two
positions
in
the
police
department
and
that's
all
well
and
good
as
well.
F
Q
Right
so,
as
you
know,
we
had
a
number
of
positions
that
were
weren't
filled
in
2020
20
that
we're
planning
to
fill
pretty
soon
here
in
2021,
and
the
increase
will
actually
cater
to
those
positions
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
ample
money
for
those
positions,
and
some
of
those
funding
will
also
go
to
some
of
our
operations
as
well.
Q
F
O
Q
So
it
is
pretty
much
four
positions
we,
like
I
indicated
we
had
we've
had
a
number
of
vacancies
actually
from
the
beginning
of
the
year,
even
leading
into
2021,
but
we're
looking
to
to
fill
those
positions
pretty
soon
here
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
also
going
to
use
some
of
that
funding
towards
operations
and
programs
due
to
us
now
having
all
the
social
services
is
pretty
much
in
the
health
and
human
services
department.
O
And
so
going
forward,
mr
lee,
the
goal
would
be
these
positions
that
are
being
hired
would
always
go
on
the
tax
levy
in
this
manner.
F
Yeah,
so
that
was
the
goal
last
year
in
creating
the
human
services
fund
and
the
separate
levy
for
human
services
is
that
historically,
when
times
were
tight,
it
was
easier,
I
would
say,
for
human
services
to
be
cut
versus
other
things.
In
the
general
funds
there
was
a
competition
for
those
funds
and
by
separating
them
out
and
giving
them
a
dedicated
funding
source,
they
would
be
less
subject
to
future
cuts
by
council.
L
Very
well,
okay,
on,
let's
see
november
13,
we
have
a
memo
from
fire
chief,
brian
scott,
in
response
to
somebody's
inquiry
about
fire
service
to
northwestern
university.
L
So
in
2019
we
responded
to
513
calls
for
service,
246
calls
or
48
were
for
emergency
medical,
and
we
charge
the
same
as
we
charged
anybody
for
ambulance
transports
and
that's
fifteen
hundred
dollars
for
transport,
and
so
that
was
that
we
broke
even
there.
The
remaining
267
calls
were
for
fire
and
rescue
related
accidents
and
are
not
typically
billed
to
anybody.
Estimated
average
cost
to
the
city,
for
these
calls
would
be
2.
L
This
this
has
got
to
stop.
We
have
got
to
sit
down
and
negotiate
with
northwestern
where
these
kinds
of
267
calls.
I
I'm
so
tired
of
hearing
they're,
a
wonderful
neighbor.
I
love
northwestern,
no
doubt
about
it.
They
do
lots
of
things.
They
give
us
a
million
dollars
for
a
good
neighbor.
We
are
all
of
us:
taxpayers
are
good,
neighbors,
we're
good
neighbors.
We
all
contribute
to
the
mayor's
fund
for
holidays.
L
We
contribute
to
opal.
We
we
contribute
to
everything
we
give
as
much
as
we
can
just
like
northwestern
does
we're
just
like
them.
They
get
away
with
murder.
They
cannot
continue
to
get
away
with
free
fire
service.
We
are
paying
for
their
fire
service.
This
has
got
this
658
000
is
a
little
more
than
jamie.
Collier
is
telling
us
that
we
can
deduct
from
the
pension
fund.
This
would
save
us
from
a
tax
increase.
L
This
amount
of
money
right
here.
This
is
really
going
to
stop.
So
I
I
am
proposing
that
we
just
finally
draw
the
line
and
say
no
more
free
fire
service.
No
more
that
this
has
got
to
stop.
I
don't
want
them
to
have
their
own
fire
department.
They
don't
need
that.
You
know
the
kids
are
saying
they.
They
shouldn't
have
cops
anymore,
so
we're
going
to
probably
start
serving
their
their
campus
with
police.
I'm
not
sure
about
that,
but
we
know
we
serve
their
camp
as
well
with
our
fire
department.
That's
got
to
stop.
L
Second
of
all,
one
of
the
good
things
about
property
taxes
is,
we
have
some
deductions
when
april
15
comes
around
the
problem
and
the
reason
why
adding
to
the
water
bill
and
and
adding
to
garbage
collection
and
all
that
none
of
those
things
are
tax
deductible.
So
there
is
something
more
positive
about
property
taxes
than
there
is
about.
L
You
know
nickel
and
diming
people
for
all
these
other
fees.
L
Thirdly,
I
thought
the
citizens
protection
bureau
has
a
good
idea
they're,
having
a
meeting
to
talk
about
how
to
reflect
people
from
calling
the
police
and
one
of
the
things
I
brought
up
at
our
last
meeting-
was
bringing
back
three
one,
one
for
weekends
and
evenings
people
have
no
other
choice
but
to
call
the
police
because
there's
they
got
used
to
three
one
one.
L
Now
they
have
to
call
the
police,
so
I'm
I
I
didn't
see,
I
must
have
missed
it,
a
memo
regarding
the
cost
of
bringing
back
3-1-1
for
weekends
and
evenings.
L
N
Thank
you
and
ultimate
earning.
I
agree
with
everything
that
you
said
as
far
as
the
fire
service
northwestern
goes,
but
I
will
point
out
that
the
cap
on
deductions
for
property
taxes
comes
in
at
a
level
that
doesn't
necessarily
capture
all
the
property
taxes
paid
by.
N
I
mean
it's
it's
worth
noting,
and
I
also
want
to
note
that
the
chart
that
we're
showing
is
accurate
in
terms
of
what
the
city
increase
would
be,
but
we
should
also
be
mindful
that's
layered,
on
top
of
the
reassessment
and
the
202
increase,
so
we're
talking
about
the
same
property
tax
payer,
although
we'd
be
exploring
here,
a
private
tax
increase
that
is
relatively
small.
It
is
part
of
a
total
picture.
That
is
is
pretty
alarming.
N
I
have
one
more
jamie,
collider
question
and,
if
jason's
still
with
us
and
could
answer
it,
that'd
be
great
or
perhaps
a
test
can,
and
the
question
is
if
the
rate
of
return
will
increase
to
six
and
a
half
to
seven
percent
in
two
years,
and
thus
the
discount
rate
goes
up
to
six
and
a
half
as
well,
which
will
reduce
the
unfunded
liability
by
12
million
dollars.
H
So,
to
the
extent
that
we
went
from
six
and
a
quarter
up
to
seven
or
something
in
the
ballpark,
yes,
it
would,
it
would
lower
the
unfunded
liability
of
of
the
plan.
But
you
know
I
I
guess
in
terms
of
the
the
the
tax
increase
now
when
it
would
go
down
later.
I
I
don't
know
that
you
know
that's
necessarily
the
the
case
just
just
because
of
the
unfunded
liability.
That's
in
the
plan
and
the
the
90
target.
H
N
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
and
then
one
other
question
that
jamie
asked
is:
are
we
considering
hiring
lag
appropriately
here
or
should
we
take
that
into
account
more.
F
So
hiring
leg
is,
you
know,
a
question
of:
should
we
budget
our
positions
that
we're
presenting
in
the
budget
as
filled
or
proposing
to
be
filled
next
year
at
100
of
those
costs?
And
you
know
in
the
past
there
have
been
budget
years
where
only
we
only
budgeted
for
98
of
salaries,
or
you
know,
97
of
salaries,
because
there
is
some
turnover.
F
N
I
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
both
you
know.
I
think
it's
clear
that
it's
important
to
stay
ahead
of
the
pension
compounding.
I
understand
that.
I
hope
that
once
we
complete
this
conversation,
we
have
a
deeper
discussion
about
the
fund
balance
because,
like
I
said,
I
know
that
we're
talking
about
what
we're
determining
a
modest
property
tax
increase
and
an
absolute
dollar
amount
from
the
city
part
of
it.
N
N
I
mean
we
can
be
very
mindful
and
strategic
about
ways
that
we
can
minimize
the
impact
on
homeowners,
because
you
know
the
the
property
tax
burden
is
one
of
the
largest
things
that
people
cite
as
reasons
why
they
have
to
leave
evanston
or
can't
come
to
evanston
are
are
concerned
about
being
able
to
stay
in
evanston,
and
you
know
we
really
have
an
obligation
to
hear
that
and
try
and
mitigate.
A
A
S
Well,
I
appreciate
the
proposal
from
the
city
manager
to
find
a
way
for
us
to
fund
the
alternative
crisis
response
program
without
having
to
raise
taxes
to
do
it.
I
think
one
of
the
big
goals
behind
it
in
addition
to
providing
the
best
outcome
we
can
for
our
residents,
who
are
in
crisis,
is
to
be
able
to
divert
funds
from
the
police
budget
to
other
programs
that
directly
assist
our
residents.
So
I
I
really
I'm
glad
that
you've
found
this
way
for
us
to
do
that.
S
With
regard
to
the
question
of
the
pension
funding,
I've
been
going
back
and
forth
in
my
mind,
pretty
much
for
several
days
now,
but
I
guess
I
am
persuaded
by
the
argument
that
you
know
compounding
interest,
is
really
a
powerful
tool
for
us
to
be
able
to
avoid
larger
property
tax
increases
in
the
future.
It
is
important
for
us
to
continue
to
try
to
work
on
that
unfunded
balance
liability.
So
I
I
am
reluctantly
going
to
support
that
as
well.
S
I
do
regret
any
property
tax
increase
and
I
so
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
look
for
ideas
like
alderman
rainey's
suggestion
I
that's.
So
let's
keep
the
conversation
going.
P
E
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
would
I
do
appreciate
all
of
the
extra
work
that's
been
done
since
our
last
meeting,
and
I
want
to
thank
mr
franken
for
probably
the
clearest
presentation
from
an
actuary
this
this
council
has
ever
had
and
we've
had
a
lot.
I
think
that
that
that
was
critically
important
for
the
public
to
see
and
for
all
of
us
to
see
again
about
demonstrating
the
struggle
and
the
difficult
choices
that
the
council
made
years
ago
to
get
ourselves
on
this.
E
This
other
path,
and
it's
because
of
the
inaccurate
numbers
that
the
state
pro
continues
to
provide
to
municipalities-
and
I
I
I
don't
even
want
to
think
about
where
evanston
would
be
if
we
had
been
appropriately
paying
in
all
of
these
years.
It's
just
too
much
of
a
a
dream,
but
I
also
share
aldman
wilson
and
alderman
revell's
concern
that
we
not
take
a
step
back
in
terms
of
our
our
payments.
E
What
what
I
think
we,
while
we
might
be
alleviating
a
concern
this
year,
we
are
just
making
it
worse
for
everyone
in
evanston
very
quickly,
and
I
am
also
reluctant
to
increase
the
property
tax.
But
I
I
appreciate
all
of
the
work
that
the
staff
has
done
from
where
we
were
at
the
the
numbers
that
we
were
getting
from
the
city
manager
three
four
five
months
ago
about
what
we
were
going
to
be
facing.
E
I
mean,
and
every
single
member
of
our
staff
has
tightened
their
belt
and
worked
hard
and
to
save
us
from
a
bit
much
bigger
number.
Now
I
also
very
much
appreciate
chief
cook's
weighing
in
on
the
the
training
giving
us
a
better
idea
about
the
training.
I
think
it
is
worthwhile
understanding
some
of
the
answers
to
alderman
fleming's
question
about
frequency
of
that
training.
E
So
many
of
those
topics,
though,
are
really
what
we
have
always
valued
and
and
want
our
police
to
be
trained
in
and
in
evanston.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
really
careful
there
so,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
city
manager
and
the
chief
working
out
the
ability
to
shift
this
money
from
the
police
department
to
human
services.
So
we
can
have
the
alternative
response
program
and
not
have
to
have
to
raise
taxes
for
that,
so
almond
rainy,
as
always,
you've
come
up
with
an
interest,
a
very
interesting
idea.
E
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
start
discussing
that
number
with
them,
but
as
much
as
I
am
very,
very
reluctant
to
raise
taxes,
I
think
that
I
I
think
we
should
keep
talking,
but
I
think
that
I
do
not
want
to
go
back
at
all
with
respect
to
our
pensions
that
we
have
fought
and
clawed
our
way
to
the
numbers
that
where
we
are-
and
I
don't
want
them
to
to
go
in
reverse-
that
justice
means
costing
all
of
us
a
lot
more
money.
R
Thanks,
mr
mayor,
I
I
just
asked
to
go
last
because
I've
said
all
of
these
things
before
and
was
interested
in
hearing
from
my
colleagues
I
they.
R
I
thought
it
was
a
wonderful
presentation
tonight
from
the
actuary,
and
I
really
appreciate
it,
because
if
you
know
that
it's
not
a
good
choice,
either
we
pay
now
or
we
pay
more
later.
There's
no
question
about
that
and
I
just
you
know
clear:
the
conversation
was
and
the
presentation
was
tonight
so
I
also
would
prefer
not
to
have
a
property
tax
increase.
Frankly,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
hear
suggestions.
R
I've
made
a
few
myself
to
the
city
manager
and
and
will
continue
to
do
that.
I
do
not
want
to
take
money
away
from
training.
I
think
training
is
the
single
most
important
thing
that
we
can
do
to
assure
the
public
that
we
are
going
to
have
the
best
trained
best
response
that
we
can
have
from
a
police
department
in
the
country
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
be
the
most
livable
city
in
america.
R
Our
police
play
a
very
important
role
in
that
and
how
they're
trained
is
probably
the
most
critical
issue.
So,
thank
you
chief
for
for
that
and
as
far
as
the
city
manager's
suggestions,
I
think
they're
they're
fine.
I
talked
over
this
afternoon
about
them
and
I
agree
with
her
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
tonight
for
their
comments,
but
I
hope
we
can
have
more
conversations
like
this
because
I
think
it's
helpful
to
be
to
be
reminded.
R
As
I
mentioned
before,
when
our
class
of
2009
came
in,
there
were
five
of
us
who
came
in
the
first
thing
we
talked
about
were
the
pensions
and
it
was
an
oh,
my
god
moment
it
was
oh,
my
god,
and
I
have
remembered
that
and
I
take
it
very
seriously,
and
we
just
need
to
be
we
that's
being
conservative
in
that
is
the
best
way
to
protect
our
residents
going
forward.
So
I'm
absolutely
committed
to
that.
So,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
the
conversation.
D
Thank
you
and
like
ottoman
fist,
I
don't
have
anything
new
to
add.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
city
manager
for
hearing
the
residence
and
presenting
an
option
that
funds
a
9-1-1
alternative
program.
Thank
you
for
prioritizing
our
city
completely
in
support
of
that,
but
I'm
just
absolutely
a
hard.
No
on
anything
at
all.
That
raises
our
taxes.
If
we
are
discussing
affordability
and
maintaining
our
diversity
and
inclusion
here
in
the
city,
it's
very
difficult
to
propose
a
budget
that
will
make
the
city
more
unaffordable.
D
So
I
hear
the
messaging
about
pay
now
or
pay
later.
I
say
we
work
harder
until
we
can
introduce
a
budget
option
that
allows
us
at
least
status
quo
and
affordability,
and
if
that
means
looking
at
autumn
and
rainey's
brilliant
recommendation
and
seeing
how
something
like
that
could
be
implemented.
D
O
O
If
we
look
at
all
the
unfortunate
things
that
have
happened
this
year
across
the
country
with
police-
I
don't
know
if
they
were
trained
cars
or
not
trained
like
ours,
but
police
training
is
helpful,
but
it
does
not
mean
that
everyone's
going
to
have
a
great
experience
with
our
police.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
want
us
to
go
on
this.
O
You
know
whether
we
go
with
the
train
or
not.
I
don't
want
us
to
go
with
this
narrative
that,
because
police
are
doing
whatever
trainings
mean
that
people
are
having
great
encounters
with
police
officers,
a
lot
of
policing
just
like
us,
they're
humans,
and
so
they
bring
all
of
that
to
the
job
to
regardless
of
what
kind
of
training-
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
police
reform
or
whatever
you
want
to
call.
O
It
is
going
to
come
out
of
accountability
and
these
alternative
programs
that
we
have
so
people
can
interact
with
people
who
are
maybe
not
as
intimidating
with
the
gun
and
all
the
stuff
that
our
police
officers
wear.
So
I
don't
want
us
to
just
kind
of
put
out
the
narrative
that
police
training
is
the
end-all
be-all.
O
It
means
that
we
have
every
officer,
we
have
a
superior
officer,
and
people
are
having
these
superior
positive
interactions
with
our
police,
because
that's
not
the
experience
that
some
people
are
having
and
they're,
not
having
them
with
officers
who
are
have
done
all
these
training.
So
I
just
want
to
be
mindful.
O
The
training
is
not
a
magic
wand,
it
is
important,
but
you
know,
I
think
other
things
are
also
quite
important
and
being
that
I
watch
every
police
video
whenever
there
is
someone
who
puts
in
a
complaint-
or
you
know-
has
a
concern
about
our
police
officers.
O
I've
seen
many
videos
where
it
is
not
a
flattering
portrayal
of
a
police
officer.
Who's
had
all
of
these
great
trainings.
I
just
really
want
to
be
mindful,
because
I
hear
from
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
have
great
interaction
with
our
police
and
they
are
well-trained
police
officers,
so
whether
we
go
forward
with
the
training
or
not,
I
think
we
should
just
be
mindful
of
that.
Everyone
doesn't
have
the
same
experience
and
I
think
I'm
ready
to
make
the
suggestion.
O
I
assume
miss
sterling
you're,
going
to
come
back
with
a
budget
memo
or
there'll,
be
some
more
conversation
about
northwestern
and
their
piece
in
this.
I
think
at
human
services
we're
going
to
have
a
conversation
with
northwestern
about
ottoman
fist
issue
with
the
beer
pong
and
then
also
controlling
their,
not
controlling,
but
what
the
management
of
their
student
is
their
student
body
after
they
leave
campus.
So
maybe
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
can
also
dive
into.
At
that
conversation,
we
have
northwestern
administrators.
There.
P
D
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
the
memo
that
I
requested
from
our
joint
war
meeting
is
available.
Yet
I
didn't
see
it,
but
I
had
a
full
work
day
regarding
northwestern
and
their
overall
revenue
or
cost
share
with
the
city,
any
revenue
that
we
receive
as
a
fee
in
taxes,
the
overall
benefit
financial,
fiscal
benefit
to
northwestern
and
the
burden
of
northwestern.
I
asked
for
a
memo
on
that
is
that
available.
T
That
one
has
not
completed
yet
any
of
the
memos
that
were
requested
at
the
tuesday
award
meeting.
We're
hoping
to
get
out
wednesday
this
week,
so
giving
staff
about
a
week
to
complete
those.
L
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I
I
know
that
a
memo
is
nice
regarding
this
fire
service
issue,
and
I
know
that
I
I
look
forward
to
alderman
simmons
memo,
but
I
think
in
the
case
of
my
recommendation,
an
invoice
is
more
appropriate.
I
we
all.
We
all
do
everything
a
taxpayer
in
the
city
of
evanston,
a
resident
of
the
city
of
evanston.
Does
everything
northwestern
does
we're
good
neighbors?
L
I
I
think
a
simple
invoice
has
got
to
start
being
issued
to
all
of
the
calls
that
aren't
covered
by
ems,
and
I
think
that's
about
it.
I
don't
I.
I
don't
want
to
say
that
we
should
withhold
fire
service,
but
I
think
the
line
has
to
be
drawn.
So
that's
that's
my
concern.
I
I
really
don't
I'm
not
asking
for
a
memo
from
our
staff
on
this.
I
think
negotiations
is
what
I'm
asking
for.
Thank
you.
A
F
I
I
think
we
I've,
you
know,
got
some
feedback
from
from
the
council
members
this
evening,
so
we
will
proceed
with
implementing
the
proposal
on
police
and
that
funding
for
human
services.
It
seems
like
they're.
Maybe
we
could
do
a
straw
poll
on
the
funding
for
the
senior
services
if
everybody
is
comfortable
with
us
not
moving
forward
with
that
next
year
and
perhaps
waiting
until
2022.
F
Exactly
in
the
slide
that
we
showed,
we
had
proposed
50
000
for
senior
services
for
2021,
and
if
we
were
to
remove
that
from
the
budget
next
year,
that
would
decrease
the
amount
of
the
human
services
levy
by
50
000
and
taking
that,
in
tandem
with
the
proposal
to
hold
the
additional
two
police
positions
vacant.
Then
we
would
get
that
that
levy
cut
in
half.
O
F
That's
fine
with
me
yeah.
I
just
general
consensus
to
proceed
if.
F
And
then
the
other
thing
you
know
other
than
the
pension
funding
which
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
tonight.
You
know
the
the
remainder
of
the
the
property
tax
increase
is
related
to
debt,
fine
or
debt
service.
F
So,
while
I
understand
that
we
would
like
to
not
have
a
property
tax
increase,
I'm
concerned
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
get
to
zero
property
tax
increase,
because
we
still
have
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
the
eight
million
dollars
in
reduction
of
revenue
for
next
year
that
is
covered
by
that
tax
increase.
So
if
there's.
P
L
I
I
am
very
supportive
of
alderman
sufferden's
suggestion
of
the
video
machines
and
I'd
like
to
know
if
you're,
if
you're,
looking
into
that.
F
So
we
did
prepare
a
memo
on
the
video
gaming
and
an
anticipated
revenue
projection.
I
think
it
was
150
000
a
year,
so
it
seems
that's
a
topic
that
we
could
further
discuss.
I'm
not
sure
where
everybody
stands
on
that
issue
and
if
there's
general
support
to
move
forward
on
it
or
not.
So
if
that's
a
topic
you
want
to
discuss
this
evening,
we
would
be
interested
to
hear
your
thoughts.
A
All
right,
but
if
you
have
a
thought
on
video
gaming
chime
in
on
that
too
alderman
rue
simmons,
then
wilson,
then
fisk.
D
C
I
I
did
so,
if
that's
so
good,
if
you
know
basically,
if,
when
you
prepare
the
memo,
could
we
just
get
information
on
the
amount
of
money
that
is
required
in
losses
to
the
gamblers
in
order
to
achieve
the
revenue
for
the
city?
Because,
as
I
recall,
we
looked
at
this
many
years
ago-
and
it
seemed
to
me
that
there
was
a
it's
like
a
just-
an
absolutely
huge
number
of
money
that
has
to
be
lost
by
the
residents
in
order
to
get
the
you
know
the
revenue
stream.
C
So,
but
I
could
be
wrong,
it's
been
a
while
so
just
make
sure
that's
included.
L
D
If
so,
to
that
point
about
gaming,
if
there
is
some
narrative
information
on
overall,
like
wellness
or
the
community
or
gaming
addictions
or
anything
like
that,
that
would
be
helpful
to
be
considered
as
we're
looking
at
the
numbers
as
well.
My
point
was
some
shoot.
What
the
heck
was
it?
Oh,
I
would
like
a
I'm
sorry.
I
would
like
a
memo
you
mentioned
it
was.
D
There
was
a
question
at
our
ward
meeting
and
I
think
the
question
was
from
ray
or
or
mike
regarding
staffing
and
what
would
the
staff
loss
be
needed
to
to
address
our
budget
concerns
and
I
think
a
number
was
put
out
25
employees?
D
D
F
F
D
Well,
I
would
like
more
detail
on
on
that.
Just
in
what
departments
I
mean,
obviously
we
to
deliver
the
services
that
we
are
responsible
to.
It
can't
be
just
any
random,
so
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
which
departments
which
staff,
ultimately
you
know,
the
priority
is
to
the
residents
and
not
staffing,
if
there's
any
opportunity
to
reduce
staff
or
layoff,
I
would
like
to
consider
that
as
an
option,
while
we're
working
towards
our
budget
goals.
F
Sure
we'll
put
that
in
a
budget
memo,
but
I
will
I
will
say
that
it
will
be
a
tall
order
since
we
sort
of
took
you
know
the
first
stab
at
that
throughout
the
last
year,
trying
to
get
the
reduction
down
to
as
much
as
possible
gearing
up
for
this
this
next
year.
So
the
50
positions
that
we
have
either
reduced
or
eliminated
in
the
last
eight
months,
have
really
generated
the
majority
of
the
savings
for
next
year.
If
we
were
to
dig
a
little
bit
deeper,
we
would
be.
A
Other
questions
and
comments
alderman
suffered.
N
N
What
types
of
fixed
cost
burdens
could
we
hope
to
eliminate?
I
know
you
know
we
have
the
jones
lago
report,
I'd
like
to
have
a
frank
discussion
with
residents
about
things
that
that
we
could
eliminate
in
order
to
stave
off
the
property
tax
increase
and
let
them
weigh
the
merits
of
some
of
those
options.
F
Certainly,
you
know
right-sizing
the
asset
pool
that
the
city
is
currently
carrying
is
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
some
time,
and
I
continue
to
reiterate
that
it's
something
that
we
should
be
looking
at
as
we
start
preparing
even
for
2022.
In
that
you
know
we
have,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
holdings.
They
do
require
a
lot
of
maintenance.
F
We
do
have
a
lot
of
a
large
backlog
of
maintenance
on
our
buildings
and
our
facilities,
so
you
know
any
any
way
we
can
right-size
and
reinvest
in
those
and
consolidate
them
will
help
us
yield
dividends
in
the
future
because
we
will
have
less
fixed
costs.
So
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
staffing
related
to
the
number
of
buildings
that
we
currently
have.
If
we
were
to
consolidate
some
of
our
facilities,
we
would
have
less
staff
that
would
need
to
staff
a
counter
a
public
counter
or
a
building.
G
F
Assets
for
us
to
hold,
certainly
we
have
a
variety
of
different
assets
that
could
be
looked
at
and
have
been
looked
at
over
the
course
of
the
past
year.
So
I
imagine
that
a
lot
of
time
will
be
dedicated
to
that
in
the
next
12
months.
But
if,
if
the
question
is
right
now
you
know
what
would
I
propose
selling
for
you
know
the
purposes
of
avoiding
a
tax
increase
for
next
year
I
mean.
F
Certainly
we
could
look
at
selling
some
property,
but
we've
sort
of
recommended
that
going
forward
if
we
were
going
to
sell
something
that
we
would
use
it
to
not
cover
a
short-term
budget
gap
but
use
it
to
really
decrease
our
amount
of
fixed
costs
by
either
paying
down
debt
or
other
purposes.
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
recommendations,
but
we
certainly
have
options,
I'm
just
not
sure
they're,
all
good
options
and
they're,
not
all
options
that
we
could
realize.
You
know
in
the
next
six
months
I.
N
I
appreciate
that
eric
I
mean
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
one
of
the
reasons
it's
cited
for
the
importance
of
funding
reserves
is
to
make
us
appealing
in
terms
in
the
bond
market
and
one
of
the
other
ways
to
do
that.
It
is
a
longer
trip
issue.
Nobody
wants
to
sell
city
assets
for
one
time
cash
bombs,
but
our
reducing
our
long-term
fixed
costs
is
another
thing
that
we
can
do,
and
so
I
just
I
want
us
to
really.
I
don't
feel
that
we've
exhausted
every
option.
N
N
What
I'm
hearing
from
people
is
that
they
are
very
concerned
about
the
total
property
tax
burden
that
they
have,
and
I
think
also
we
haven't
discussed
that
tonight,
but
as
we
try
and
fill
vacancies
moving
forward
in
the
next
several
years,
the
property
jacks
burden
is
going
to
be
a
detriment
to
that
as
well.
So
I
I
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
not
good
policy
to
look
to
sell
assets
for
an
immediate
budget,
whole
filler.
N
But
if
we're
talking
about
funding
reserves
over
the
long
term,
something
like
video
gaming
and
potential
revenue
that
would
create
if
we
were
to
dedicate
that
to
reserves.
If
we
were
to
dedicate
some
portion
of
asset
sales
reserves,
while
also
lowering
our
fixed
cost
burden.
I
think
that
can
put
the
city
on
a
better
path
as
well,
and
I
know
that's
a
tall
order
between
now
and
monday,
but
it's
something
that
I
think
we
need
to
consider,
and
I
I
will
note
that
I
brought
it
up
in
october
as
well.
F
Yeah-
and
I
would
also
add
you
know,
the
reason
that
we
have
the
property
tax
increase
is
because
we
did
not
have
the
reserve
in
place
so
had
we
had
the
you
know,
17
million
dollars
in
our
reserve
account
that
we
would
be
at
if
we
had
the
16.6
funding
level
of
our
reserve
that
our
policy
requires.
You
know
we
would
not
be
in
the
position
that
we're
in
today
and
that's
not
any
any
individual
person's
fault.
That
is
just
the
situation
that
we're
in
our
pensions
aren't
fully
funded.
F
Our
reserve
isn't
fully
funded
we're
not
starting
out
in
a
great
seat,
so
that
made
us
have
to
put
forward
a
budget
that
had
some
very
tough
pills
to
swallow
in
it,
but
you
know
had
we,
you
know
similar
communities.
I
I
talk
with
them
all
the
time
you
know
their
their
reserves
are
at
the
level
that
they're
supposed
to
be
at
and
so
they're
not
proposing
any
tax
creases
for
this
year.
F
My
goal
is
to
work
with
you
over
the
coming
years
to
get
our
policy
up
to
where
it
needs
to
be
so
that
the
next
time
we
are
facing
down
a
pandemic
or
any
sort
of
other
crisis
that
faces
the
community,
we
don't
have
to
take
the
drastic
measures
that
we've
had
to
take
in
the
last
year.
I
know
that
you
would
not
like
to
do
them.
I
would
not
like
to
do
them.
We
would
like
to
put
ourselves
in
a
position
that
we
can
weather
these
storms
with
a
you
know,
a
little
less
drama.
F
So
that's
the
goal
I
think
going
forward
into
21
and
22
is
really
looking
at
those
right
sizing
and
reinvesting
in
the
city
assets
really
getting
our
pension
shored
up
really
getting
a
rainy
day
fund
to
where
it
needs
to
be
so
that
every
year,
when
we're
having
this
budget
conversation,
it's
not
trying
to
get
our
property
tax
increase
to
the
lowest.
It
can
be
because
we're
very
mindful
of
the
burden
that
that
place
is
on
the
residents
of
evanston.
So
that's
my
commitment
to
the
council.
F
That's
what
I'll
be
working
with
our
staff
on
for
the
coming
years!
I'm
very
optimistic!
I'm
I'm
hedge,
my
bets
on
evanston
every
day.
This
is
a
very
resilient
community
and
we
have
a
lot
of
great
things
going
for
us.
The
wind
is
not
at
our
back
right
now,
but
it
will
be
in
the
future,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
preparing
for
that
day
so
that
we
have
every
piece
lined
up
so
that
we
can
better
realize
savings
down
the
road.
But
my
fear
is
now.
F
If
we
don't
go
forward
with
a
property
tax
increase,
you
know
we
save
the
homeowner
twenty
dollars
for
every
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
their
property
value,
but
we
end
up
asking
them
for
a
hundred
dollars
five
years
from
now,
because
we've
shortchanged
those
costs
that
that
are
not
going
to
go
away.
So
I
totally
hear
your
point
and
I'm
with
you
all
the
way
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
council
in
the
coming
years
to
come
up
with
some
really
big
solutions
to
our
really
big
problems.
N
A
Okay,
older
woman
flying.
O
Yeah,
so
that
was
a
good
summary
erica
that
I
do
appreciate.
I
mean
these
have
been
compounding
poor
financial
decisions
or
whatever,
whatever
it
was
right
before
this
current
council
probably
sat
down
but
but
given
as
it
may,
we
don't
have
the
money
we,
but
I
mean
again.
We
know
our
citizens
also
don't
have
the
money,
even
if
you
know
you're
saying
twenty
dollars
for
every
100
000.
You
know
there
are
people
who
don't
have
20,
so
I
mean
that's
just
the
reality
of
the
situation.
Nobody
could
forecast
the
pandemic,
particularly.
O
You
know
when
the
kids
got
out
of
school,
they
said
you're
gonna
be
two
weeks
we're
now
you
know
who
knows
how
long
we're
going
to
be
in
this
situation.
My
question
for
the
mayor
was:
where
have
you
allocated
or
have
you
allocated
one
of
you?
Let
us
know
how
you
have
allocated
the
good
neighbor
fund
right,
because
I
know
we
have
to
pay
our
debt
even
as
you're
speaking
erica
about
the
other
communities
that
did
not
have
to
you
know
they
had
to
reserve
funds.
They
weathered
the
store
much
better
than
we
have.
O
You
know.
I
know
communities
that
haven't
you
know
nearly
the
amount
of
debt
we
have
for
capital
projects.
So
if
I'm
looking
at
our
you
know
fixed
costs
and
other
ways
in
which
we
can
make
better
decisions,
that's
why
I
keep
pushing
things,
be
it
as
they
are
small,
where
you
look
at
private
industries
that
have
no
car
allowances,
no
travel.
You
know
people
are
only
doing
what
they're
legally
required
to
do
for
their
job
in
terms
of
training
and
anything
else.
We
still
have
costs
in
which
we're
doing
some
optional
things.
O
Optional
is
great.
On
a
great
year,
you
know
funding
the
pensions.
More
is
great
in
a
great
year,
but
this
is
not
a
great
year.
Next
year
might
not
be
a
great
year,
so
I'm
looking
for
us
to
really
communicate
to
our
staff
right,
like
you,
have
a
job,
we're
glad
you're
here,
you're
working
hard.
We
want
to
pay
you
well
for
that,
but
this
is
not
going
to
be
the
year.
O
Maybe
two
years
is
not
going
to
be
the
year
for
these
extras
right,
so
the
150
that
we
pay
for
the
insurance,
but
I'm
not
taking
our
insurance.
I
didn't
realize
that
was
in
the
contract,
but
I
would
have
liked
to
have
that
be
something
that
was
negotiated
when
we're
asking
for
furlough
days
right
I
mean,
I
think
our
staff
hopefully
are
thankful
that
they
do
still
have
a
job.
They
love
maybe
working
here,
but
they
have
to
understand
also
that
that
is
being
paid
for
by
taxpayers
who
might
not
have
a
job.
O
So
we
have
to
balance
the
two
and
I
think
I
don't
want
to
make.
I
don't
want
to
make
our
staff
feel
not
valued,
but
I
also
would
hope
that
they
understand
and
they
hear
that
our
community
can't
afford
it
this
year.
You
know
whatever
year
they
can't
afford
it.
So
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of
for
you
know
to
shore
up
so
that
we
don't
have
a
tax
increase.
Is
the
good
neighbor
fund?
I
don't
know.
I
know
that
I'm
not
in
those
conversations.
O
O
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
way
that
they're
going
if
it's
program
cost
if
it's
actually
staff,
but
that
is
a
million
dollars
in
which
we
can
use
for
our
debt
payment
if
northwestern
allows
that
we
don't
have
to
then
pass
that
on
to
the
taxpayers,
and
I
would
argue
that
many
people
would
feel
like
that
is
northwestern
being
a
good
neighbor
versus
you
know,
paying
for
15
or
20
other
smaller
ticket
items
in
the
year
that
we
are
really
you
know,
kind
of
everyone's
hemorrhaging
financially,
but
so
mayor.
O
If
you,
I
don't
know,
if
you're
at
liberty
to
say
with
what
those
things
are,
if
they're
not
really
changed
much
from
what
they
are
last
year,
if
they
could
even
be
changed
at
this
point,
but
also
eric,
I
guess
my
charge
to
you
and
I
know
you're
working
on
this.
But
what
are
we?
What
are
we
paying
for
that?
We
don't
have
to
pay
for
that.
We
can
still
cut
back
on,
even
if
it
only
amounts
to
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
O
It's
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
than
we're
asking
our
taxpayers
to
do,
and
it's
you
know
the
same
way
of
which
many
families
are
doing
now.
Many
companies
in
which
they're
really
cutting
back
on
any
extras
to
you,
know,
show
and
understand
that
that
it's
a
hard
year
financially
for
everybody.
A
Thank
you,
older
woman,
I'll
I'll,
give
you
an
update
in
a
second
alderman
rue
simmons
wanted.
It
looks
like
she
had
her
hand
up
quick,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
her.
D
Thank
you
so
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
we're
gonna
do
with
the
good
neighbor
fund,
but
will
you
request
northwestern
to
increase
it
by
two
million
dollars
this
year
in
response
to
the
impact
of
covent
on
our
city?
It's
not
an
unusual
request
or
unusual
collaboration
in
university
cities
and
it's
my
understanding
that
other
university
cities
have
been
receiving
more
financial
cooperation
and
collaboration
from
their
university.
So
I'm
asking
that
that
request
is
made.
A
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
An
update
on
the
good
neighbor
funds.
So
this
year
the
good
neighbor
fund
was
extended
for
2021.
The
specifics
are
that
it
would
be
focused
on
equity.
A
So
that
means
the
allocations
of
that
money
will
be
likely
different
than
the
way
that
they
have
been
allocated
in
years
past.
I
am
going
to
have
a
meeting
with
erica
and
kimberly
the
deputy
city
manager
acting
deputy
city
manager
later
this
month
to
sit
down
on
it.
So
I
don't
know
this.
I
don't
have
the
specifics
right
now,
but
I
do
can
tell
you:
it's
equity
focused
it's
not
going
to
be
the
way
it
was
sort
of
in
years
past.
A
O
And
mayor
haggard,
in
addition
to
what
simon
said
about
additional
funding,
would
you
be
willing,
or
can
you
ask
them
if
I
know
their
focus
is
equity
and
they
have
the
extra
half
million
dollars,
I
believe
for
some
individual
grants,
but
if
they
would
understand
that
you
know,
maybe
this
year
is
a
tax
payment,
whether
they
do
the
extra
million
or
not,
this
one
million
that
you
do
have
they
can
do
an
equity
focus.
A
A
You
set
aside
the
two
million
dollars,
so
we
have
to
get
the
two
million
first.
Okay,
so
set
that
aside,
this
year's
was
supposed
to
be
a
million
dollars
allocated
all
towards
equity,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is
if
we
can
get
it
that
hey
this
can
be
generally
applied
this
year
and
then
next
year
or
in
the
following
year,
we
take
the
allocation
and
that
will
be
an
focused
allocation.
Is
that
acceptable
to
the
university?
So,
basically
I'm
pushing
it.
I'm
pushing
that
off
a
year
or
two.
A
A
Can
the
following
year
and
basically
then
in
the
following
year
we
would
take
an
allotment
of
a
million
or
more
from
the
university
and
apply
that
just
to
equity.
E
Well,
how
does
northwestern
define
equity
did
they
provide
some
description
of
what
they
viewed
as
equity?
They.
E
E
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
kimberly
jumping
in
alderman
wilson.
C
Well-
and
I
think
you
know
to
the
extent
that
we
have
staff
devoted
to-
or
programs
focused
on
that-
perhaps
they
could-
you
know,
cover
those
bills,
so
you
know
we're
paying
for
those
programs.
C
I
think
the
original
intention
was
to
develop
new
programs,
so
if,
if
that's
the
will
of
the
group
to
to
try
to
get
that
money,
for
you
know
this
current
existing
budget,
we
could
perhaps
direct
them
the
money
to
those
programs
and
or
staff.
So
it's
just
an
idea
to
at
least
be.
You
know
continually
supporting
that
specific
intention.
A
All
right
erica
so
from
your
question
responses
were
video
gaming.
Nu
pays
for
fire
service,
eliminate
150
for
passing
on
health
insurance.
If
that
were
possible,
eliminate
the
car
allowance,
not
sure
all
of
that
necessarily
gets
you.
The
deficit
deficit
amount
that
that
we
have,
but
those
were
ideas
that
were
thrown
about.
R
America
erica
could,
I
know
a
little
bit
more
when
we
were
talking
about
the
senior
programs
that
would
be
affected
by
the.
R
We
just
have
a
large
senior
population
in
my
ward
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question
about
how
they
would
be.
F
A
L
A
Okay,
all
right
anything
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order
on
the
budget
this
evening,
all
right
see
seeing
none.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
this
robust
discussion.
It's
given
our
city
staff
a
lot
to
to
work
with
that.
We
only
had
one
item
on
the
agenda.
That
was
a
special
special
order
of
business
city.
Is
I'm
gonna
add
in
before
we
go
to
call
the
awards
right
now,
city
clerk.
Are
you
on
the
line?
Would
you
like
to
provide
your
announcement
at
this
point.
A
Okay,
if
clerk
reed's,
not
here,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
call
the
wards
all
right,
let's
move
to
call
the
wards.
Let's
see
today,
we
start
off
with
ultimate
fisk.
A
Aldermen
win
alderman
braithwaite's,
not
here
aldermen
win.
E
Yes,
mr
mayor,
I
have
two
references
I'd
like
to
make
tonight.
The
first
one
involves
a
preservation
commission,
I'd
like
to
have
the
preservation,
commission
and
staff
update
their
rules
so
that
they
can
move
more
of
the
work
to
the
staff
for
administrative
review,
for
instance
on
windows
and
siding.
E
I
know
many
many
people
had
issues
in
some
of
our
historic
districts
from
that
terrible
hail,
storm
we
had
and
back
in
april,
and
people
are
still
making
repairs
to
their
homes
on
that.
So
I'd
like
to
have
the
preservation,
commission
and
staff
update
their
rules
so
that
if
there
are
things
that
can
be
decisions
that
can
be
made
by
the
administrative
staff
they
will
be,
and
then
that
won't
hold
up
the
constructive
construction
activity
for
as
long
for
it
to
wait
for
a
preservation
commission
meeting.
E
I
know
that
more
and
more
staff
has
and
the
commission
have
decided
that
there
are
certain
materials
and
windows
that
are
acceptable,
so
I'd
like
them
to
review
that
my
second
reference
relates
to
leaf
blowers.
I
have
heard
from
a
couple
of
my
colleagues
about
the
complaints
that
they're
getting
about
leaf
blower.
I
get
them
about
once
a
day
and
my
ward
and
I
I'd
like
to
have
the
staff
develop
some
materials
for
us
that
so
that
we
can
understand
the
impact
on
our
air
quality
and
the
effect
of
the
noise
pollution.
E
From
I'm
talking
about
the
gasoline-powered
two-stroke
backpack
leaf
blowers.
I
recognize
that
we
have
a
lot
of
small
businesses
that
are
operating
and
that
depend
on
those
leaf
blowers
using
those
leaf
blowers.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
pollution,
both
noise
and
air
pollution
that
come
from
them
and
I'd
like
us
to
start
talking
about
how
we
could
transition
away
from
them
with
the
least
amount
of
negative
impact
possible.
But
with
you
know,
with
evanston
working
so
hard
on
climate
action.
E
That-
and
you
know
in
all
of
the
ways
that
we
do.
We
have
these
pristine
lawns
that
may
look
perfect,
actually
unreally
perfect,
but
the
cost
is
noise
pollution
and
our
air
quality.
P
E
With
everyone
working
at
home
and
I've
heard
from
parents
about
the
difficulties
their
students
are
having
when
they
have
three
leaf
blowers
going
at
once
on
their
block.
So
I
think
we
need
to
study
this
issue
and
figure
out
what
we
do
going
forward
on.
That.
A
All
right
thank
thank
you,
alderwomen
wynn,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
would
agree
with
that.
Alderman
wilson,
no
report,
alderwoman's
resignments.
N
Yeah
robin
tomorrow,
at
seven
o'clock
we
have
a
joint
fifth
and
second
and
sixth
award
budget
meeting
and
I
know
around
has
a
conference
and
maybe
they're
late,
but
I
just
anybody
who
happens
to
be
watching
tonight
who
wants
to
follow
up
and
have
further
conversations
we're
going
to
get
seven
on
soon.
D
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
I
have
community
development
block
grant
committee
meeting
and
I
share
so
wherever
the
conflict
is.
I
will
have
to
be
at
that
meeting
as
a
priority,
so
if
I
don't
make
it
at
all,
then
I
believe
that
paulina
or
whichever
staff
is
assisting,
can
make
sure
that
I
get
information,
that's
necessary.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Both
alderman
revel.
S
I'd
like
to
assure
alderman
wynn
that
the
environment
board
has
been
talking
quite
a
bit
about
what
to
do
about
our
leaf
blowers
and
basically
thinking
about
a
five-year
plan
of
facing
phasing
them
out.
But
so
I
think
it'd
be.
I
think,
they'd
be
well
glad
to
hear
that
there's
such
strong
city
council
interest
in
their
moving
forward
with
their
planning
for
how
we're
going
to
implement
this.
A
So
thank
you
for
for
the
reference.
O
Yes,
thank
you
to
the
94
residents
who
participated
in
the
saturday
award
meeting
condolences
to
the
family
in
the
residence
on
cleveland.
There
was
a
loss
due
to
covet
and
it's
a
very
close-knit
block,
so
I
know
they're
all
grieving
virtually
together
during
this
challenging
time.
O
Also,
I
want
to
remind
so
I
have
to
get
the
date
remind
the
ninth
world
residents
that
we
are
having
a
shared
safety
visioning
session
this
wednesday
at
5
30,
so
make
sure
you
go
on
the
website
to
sign
up
for
the
zoom
link
and
we
will
work
together
to
continue
our
mission
of
becoming
a
community
that
cares
for
each
other
and
making
a
vision
of
safety
that
we
can
roll
into
next
year,
as
we
continue
to
work
together.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
P
A
Second,
all
right:
deputy
city
clerk:
could
you
take
the
role
on
a
german.