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A
C
D
E
F
Thank
you
mayor
members
of
city
council.
Today
we
are
going
to
spend
some
time
going
through
a
lot
of
topics
that
are
going
to
be
relevant
to
you
as
you
embark
on
your
four-year
term
as
council
members
for
the
city
of
evanston.
I
appreciate
you
coming
in
today
and
giving
us
your
time
and
attention.
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
robust
agenda
and
I'm
sure
that
you'll
get
a
lot
out
of
it.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
introduce
dr
gilo
logan,
who
is
going
to
help
us
facilitate
today
and
welcome.
Thank.
F
G
H
G
So
I'm
I'm
dr
g-lo
quasi-logan
and
I
am
I
serve
as
the
president
of
logan
consulting
services.
I'm
here
I
am
at
evanstonia,
but
I'm
not
here
as
an
evanstonian.
G
So
I
just
want
you
all
to
realize
that
and
I'm
I
want
to
first
congratulate
all
of
you
all
for
this
role
that
you
all
are
in
some
for
is
new,
some
of
you
all
it's
old,
but
nonetheless
this
is
going
to
be
a
new
year
and
a
new
council.
So
I
want
to
congratulate
you
all
and
on
behalf
of
our
entire
city
and
as
we
all
know,
you
all
are
serving
now
you're
not
running
right.
G
So
I'm
simply
here
to
facilitate
the
process
today
and
for
this
two-part
orientation,
both
today
and
for
next
week
and
in
between
the
two
sessions.
We're
going
to
also
do
some
team
building
for
you
all
so
look
out
for
an
email
coming
at
the
beginning
of
the
week
and
though
some
of
you
all
may
not
consider
yourselves
to
be
politicians,
it's
undeniable
that
you
hold
a
political
seat
and
when
we
look
at
the
word
politics
partially,
it
says
the
the
set
of
activities
that
are
associated
with
making
decisions
in
groups
and
towards
that
end.
G
G
But
the
focus
is
on
the
fact
that
we
are
one
city
right
and-
and
I
just
really
want
to
underscore
the
importance
of
that
and
encourage
you
all
to
really
remember
that
when
things
get
difficult
because
we
are
one
city
and
this
council
is
very
diverse,
not
just
in
terms
of
race
but
also
ethnicity,
age
experience,
and
when
we
think
of
like
of
diversity,
diversity
itself
can
be
a
great
challenge.
But
it's
how
you
galvanize
that
diversity
towards
a
common
goal.
G
That's
the
key
now
think
of
the
chicago
bulls
back
when
they
were
winning
championships
and
phil
jackson
and
how
he
had
a
very
diverse
team
and
that
team
nearly
imploded
because
of
that
diversity,
but
how
he
galvanized
them
around
a
common
purpose
and
a
common
mission
that
was
the
key
to
their
success.
So
as
you
all
grapple
with
very
difficult
issues
and
challenges,
I
just
want
to
encourage
you
to
adhere
to
the
standards
to
the
ideals
and
remember
the
common
goal
that
you
all
are
all
here
to
serve
and
amongst
that
diversity,
mayor
bis.
G
We
appreciate
your
mathematical
skills
in
terms
of
helping
to
deal
with
this
budget
that
you
all
are
going
to
be
grappling
with.
So
without
further
ado.
Everyone
has
the
agenda
correct,
yes,
okay,
so
just
for
the
sake
of
the
public.
Who
may
be
viewing
this
at
home,
we're
going
to
have
someone
from
elrod,
okay
good.
So
we
have
representatives
from
elrod
friedman
who
are
going
to
present
we'll
take
a
break,
and
then
the
fun
begins
right.
G
G
So
when
you
all
are
speaking,
if
anyone
is
I'm
going
to
keep
everything
moving,
if
you
are
going
beyond
the
time
I'll
give
you
a
signal.
If
I
put
up
five
fingers,
that
means
you
have
five
minutes
to
go
three
minutes
two
minutes
one
minute
and
then
it's
time
to
cut
it.
So
I'm
sure
no
one
will
argue
for
leaving
early
today
right,
but
no
one
wants
to
stay
late
and
in
the
words
of
peter
braithwaite
buckle
up
now
is
when
the
work
begins.
I
Good
morning,
mayor
biss
city,
council,
members,
clerk
mendoza
city
staff,
we're
thrilled
to
have
been
invited
to
be
part
of
your
city,
council
orientation.
My
name
is
brooke
lenneman
and
I'm
here
with
my
colleagues
and
the
founding
partners
of
our
law,
firm
peter
feedman
and
steve
elrod.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
steve,
to
give
a
little
introduction
and
peter
will
introduce
the
topics
we're
going
to
cover
and
then
we'll
jump
in,
because
we
have
not
too
long
of
a
block
of
time.
So.
J
J
Mr
mayor,
I
hope
that
doesn't
detract
from
our
total
time
good
evening
good
good
morning,
I'm
steve
elrod
and
yes,
we
are
thrilled
to
be
here.
Elrod
friedman
is
a
small
boutique
municipal
law
firm.
We
were
formed
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
in
in
march
or
april
february
march
of
2020
we
were
the
land
use
and
local
government
group
of
the
law,
firm,
holland
and
knight.
J
We
created
our
small
firm
with
the
with
the
desire
of
operating
with
the
overhead
of
a
small
firm,
but
with
the
sophistication
and
service
level
and
knowledge
bank
of
a
big
firm.
Our
attorneys
have
been
advising
local
governments
for
nearly
40
years.
We
serve
as
corporation
council
and
village
attorney
on
a
special
or
general
council
basis
to
more
than
20
different
local
governments,
several
of
your
neighbors,
primarily
in
northern
cook,
county
and
in
lake
county,
and
we
enjoyed
for
many
years
a
very
nice
connection
to
the
city
of
evanston.
J
As
our
late
partner,
jack
siegel
was
the
corporation
council
here
in
evanston.
For
for
many
many
years,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
to
peter
friedman.
To
give
you
an
overview
of
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
morning,
we
have
a
loaded
pack
loaded
agenda
for
you
and
we're
going
to
get
started
right
away.
K
Good
morning,
everybody
again
peter
friedman,
it's
great
to
be
here
with
you
this
morning,
as
steven
brooks
said,
we're
going
to
cover
a
lot
of
procedural
issues
and
kind
of
some
important
local
government
issues,
but
I
wanted
to
say
that
we've
done
this
since
the
election.
We
have
done
a
lot
of
our
clients.
Almost
all
of
them
have
asked
us
to
do
this
exact
same
thing,
so
we
commend
you
for
doing
it.
It's
an
important
thing
to
do.
We've
done
it
for
des
plaines,
northbrook
highland
park
waukegan
earlier
this
week.
K
So
it's
again
we
commend
you
because
it
is
very
important
for
for
this
type
of
activity
we're
going
to
cover
today
some
general
local
governments,
issues,
freedom
of
information,
act,
open
meetings,
act
and
then
some
ethical
issues
regarding
the
prohibited
political
activities.
Our
emphasis
today
is,
as,
as
you
all
know,
you
all
are
the
policymakers.
D
I
H
H
D
J
J
It
is
geared
primarily
to
your
the
newly
elected
officials
among
you,
but
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
for
a
while,
it
may
seem
familiar,
it's
always
good
to
have
a
refresher
we
believe,
but
but
chime
in.
If
you
have
questions,
we're
certainly
are
open
to
that.
Actually
we're
reserving
time
at
the
end
for
for
all
your
questions,
so
we're
starting
really
at
the
very
beginning,
we're
starting
with
federalism
and
to
try
and
determine
the
source
of
local
government
power
everything
flows
from
the
united
states
constitution.
J
As
you
know,
any
power-
that's
not
granted
in
the
constitution
is
reserved
to
the
states
and
that's
that's
the
whole
essence
of
the
10th
amendment.
You've
heard
a
lot
about
the
10th
amendment
in
the
past
couple
years.
It
is
because
the
10th
amendment
is
where
all
the
states
get
their
powers,
but
nowhere
in
the
united
states
constitution
is
there
any
mention
of
local
governments.
J
It's
only
the
federal
government
and
the
states,
and-
and
that's
because
it's
all
about
the
states,
local
governments
didn't
really
exist
as
a
part.
As
a
matter
of
a
law
under
the
united
states
constitution,
the
states
have
the
ability
to
determine
what
to
do
about
local
governments
and
every
state
can
determine
whether
and
how
many
and
and
how
to
operate
local
governments
and
to
what
extent
it
even
wants
to
allow
or
have
local
governments
in
illinois
has
done
so
big
time.
J
Illinois
has
created
more
local
governments
or
allowed
for
the
creation
of
more
local
governments
than
any
other
state
in
the
entire
country.
It
it
it.
It
has
basically
categorized
them
into
these
five
different
categories:
counties,
townships,
special
districts,
school
districts
and
municipalities.
We're
going
to
concentrate
on
municipalities
because
evanston
is
a
municipality
steve.
J
Evanson
actually
was
both.
Evanson
was
one
of
the
few,
the
few
locations
in
the
entire
state
that
had
a
co-terminus
city
and
township.
Many
of
you
know
this
and
again
I
I
this
is
trying
to
be
helpful
to
your
newly
electeds,
but
also
some
refresher
for
for
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
and
it's
interesting,
because
evanston
actually
did
its
its
share
to
help
reduce
government
in
the
state
of
illinois
by
eliminating
by
referendum,
the
township
government,
which
was
a
co-terminus
government
with
evidence.
J
So
now
we
have
in
evanston
just
a
a
city
form
of
government,
and
I
using
the
word
city
as
opposed
to
village,
and
you
know
it
throughout
the
state
of
illinois.
You
have
cities
and
villages.
Does
anyone
know
the
difference
between
a
city
and
a
village?
J
If
you
don't
that's
great,
because
there
is
none,
there
really
is
no
difference
between
the
two
as
a
matter
of
law.
Yes,
there's
some
minor
there's
some
minor
nuance
about
how
they
are
incorporated
in
the
first
instance,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
are
synonymous
as
a
matter
of
illinois
law.
Rather,
what
really
matters
is
the
form
of
government
and
can
we
switch
in
illinois?
There
are
four
types
of
governments
for
municipalities.
J
There
is
under
article
4
of
the
illinois
municipal
code,
the
commission
form
of
government,
that's
where
there
is
a
a
mayor
and
fi.
Usually
five
commissioners.
Each
commissioner
is
the
head
of
a
department.
A
commissioner
is
the
head
of
fire,
and
the
commissioner
is
the
head
of
police.
A
commissioner
is
the
head
of
of
finance
and
each
one
of
those
takes
on
the
the
day-to-day
operations
of
that
department.
J
J
There
is
the
article
3.1
council,
mayor
form
of
government,
that's
that's
the
default
government,
most
of
the
municipalities
in
illinois
and
many
of
your
suburbs
surrounding
suburbs
operate
under
the
three.
We
call
it
the
3.1
form,
there's
not
it's
sometimes
known
as
president
trustee
council
mayor,
but
it's
where
the
mayor
is
a
part-time
official.
J
The
mayor
is
the
head
of
the
public
body,
and
the
mayor
has
quasi
administrative
responsibilities,
not
full
administrative
responsibilities.
Those
are
usually
delegated
to
a
an
administrator
or
a
manager,
but
the
mayor
appoints
the
department
heads
the
mayor,
appoints
the
police
chief
and
the
fire
chief
et
cetera.
J
The
fourth
form
of
government
is
the
managerial
form.
That's
article
five
evanston
is
the
managerial
form
of
government,
sometimes
known
as
the
council
manager
form
of
government.
It
is,
it
is
evans,
informed
it
by
referendum
back
in
1952,
and
a
managerial
form
really
does
separate
the
legislative
power
from
the
managerial
power
under
the
legislature,
the
managerial
form
of
government,
the
city
council,
hires,
a
manager,
typically
a
full-time
professional
educated
manager
that
that
that
runs
the
day-to-day
operations.
The
manager
is
the
cao.
J
J
The
manager
is
in
charge
of
executing
the
policy
that's
set
by
the
public
body,
the
manager
hires,
the
staff,
the
department
heads
the
attorney
the
and
there
may
be
differences
in
nuances
within
the
city
of
evanston,
but
generally
it
is
the
manager
that
hires
all
of
the
department
heads
the
other
distinction
between
the
four
between
governments
in
illinois
is
whether
or
not
a
government
has
home
rule
authority.
If
we
can
switch
to
the
next
slide,
home
rule
did
not
exist
until
the
1970
constitution.
J
J
If
the
local
government
wanted
to
do
anything,
exercise
a
right
or
impose
a
regulation
impose
a
tax,
it
had
to
go
to
springfield
and
get
state
legislative
authority.
There
had
to
be
something
in
the
illinois
municipal
code
in
order
for
the
local
government
to
act
that
wasn't
a
big
problem
for
many
small
governments
for
years
and
years,
because
they
were
more
or
less
the
same,
but
you
had
the
city
of
chicago,
which
was
different
than
many
other
municipalities.
For
example.
J
The
city
of
chicago
was
the
only
municipality
that
had
tall
buildings
and
they
needed
elevator
regulations
and
and
they
had
to
go
to
springfield,
to
get
elevator
regulations
that
frustrated
the
city
of
chicago
and
to
some
to
a
certain
extent.
Large
cities
like
evanston
and
when
the
state
was
considering
a
new
constitution
or
a
a
a
comprehensive
amendment
to
its
constitution
in
1970
and
and
it
was
desired
by
many
downstate
representatives
and
and
elected
office
holders.
J
The
only
way
they
could
get
it
passed
was
to
get
the
support
of
then
mayor
richard
j,
daly
and
richard
j
daly
said
the
only
way,
I'll
support.
A
comprehensive
amendment
to
the
constitution
is,
if
there's
a
home
rule
provision
in
it
and
that's
how
home
rule
was
born.
It
became
and
illinois
created
one
of
the
most
liberal
home
rule
provisions
of
any
state
in
the
country.
It
basically
reversed
the
presumption
of
dylan's
rule
it.
J
It
said
that
instead
of
going
to
the
state
for
authority,
there
is
a
presumption
that
anything
related
to
the
government's
municipal
affairs
is
allowed
unless
the
legislature
prevents
it
or,
in
home
rule
parlance
preempts
it.
The
home
rules,
found
in
article
7,
section
6
of
the
united
states
constitution
it
it
was
a
lot
of
home
rule
units
became
our
whole.
J
New
municipalities
became
a
home
rule
unit
automatically
when
they
received
when
they
achieved
25
000
in
population
evanston
was
25,
000
was
above
25
000
in
1970,
so
you
became
home
rule
automatically
in
1970,
others
can
become
home
rule
by
referendum,
and
if
you
are
home
rule
you
can,
by
referendum,
eliminate
home
rule
authority,
and
one
municipality
has
done
that
in
in
the
history
of
illinois.
J
In
as
a
home
rule
unit,
as
I
indicated,
you
could
exercise
any
power
and
and
perform
any
function,
and
that
includes
the
ability
to
tax
and
incur
debt,
but
there
are
specific,
prohibit
prohibitions
that
are
built
into
the
constitution
concerning
home
rule
authority.
One
is
you
can't
incur
long-term
property
tax
debt?
You
cannot
define
a
felony.
You
cannot
create
something
that
that
constitutes
a
felony.
You
can't
punish
by
imprisonment
for
more
than
six
months
and
you
can't
impose
an
income
tax,
so
that
was
on
your
agenda.
J
Take
it
off,
the
city
of
new
york
may
be
able
to,
but
not
in
illinois.
Even
a
home
rule
unit
cannot
impose
an
income
tax.
A
whole
new
unit
can
alter
its
form
of
government
and
pride,
provide
a
different
manner
for
electing
its
officers,
but
it
could
only
do
so
by
referendum
and
then
finally,
there
is
the
concept
of
preemption
that
that
a
state,
the
state
legislature
can
preempt
even
a
very
local,
otherwise
considered
local
regulation
by
home
rule
units
by
exercising
the
preemption
right.
J
It
needs
to
do
it
by
a
super
majority
vote
or
could
declare
that
the
state
has
exclusive
jurisdiction
and
interestingly,
evanston
was
one
of
the
trailblazers
in
defining
what
constitutes
local
authority
in
a
debate
between
the
state
and
local
governments.
There
was
a
case
back
in
1981
called
create
evanston
versus
create
it.
It
dealt
with
your
original
landlord,
tenant,
ordinance
and
realtors
and
landlords
sued
evanston,
saying
that
the
adoption
of
your
landlord
tenant
ordinance
was
a
did
not
constitute
at
proper
exercise
of
home
rule
authority
and
because
the
state
had
a
landlord
tenant
ordinance.
J
The
state
automatically
preempted,
evanston
evanson
fought
it
actually,
our
partner,
jack
siegel
fought
it
on
your
behalf
and
prevailed,
and
it's
now
one
of
the
foremost
cases
on
home
rule
authority
for
allowing
a
liberal
interpretation
of
home
rule
authority.
Thus
evanson
validly
exercised
its
home
rule
authority.
J
It
can
apply
to
counties,
it's
there's
a
different
method
by
which
counties
can
become
home
rule.
There
is
only
one
home
rule
county
in
the
entire
state,
and
that
is
cook
county.
I
You
can
move
to
the
next
slide.
Thank
you,
so
the
first
sunshine
law
we're
going
to
discuss
in
a
an
act
that
affects
your
really
your
day-to-day
business
as
city
council
members
is
the
open
meetings
act.
The
basic
policy
behind
the
open
meetings
act
is
that
all
of
the
actions
and
deliberations
of
your
government
should
be
be
able
to
be
seen
by
the
public
and
observed.
I
So
the
open
meetings
act
provides
a
set
of
regulations
to
basically
make
sure
that
public
meetings
can
be
observed
by
the
public.
So
the
first.
Actually,
you
can
stay
on
that
last
slide.
Sorry!
So
the
first
you
know
obviously
open
meetings
act
is
called
the
open
meetings
act.
So
it
only
applies
to
meetings,
and
so
we
should
first
talk
about
what
makes
a
meeting
under
the
open
meetings
act.
So
a
meeting
is
defined
as
a
gathering
of
a
majority
of
a
quorum
for
the
purpose
of
discussing
public
business.
I
I
No,
okay!
Sorry!
So
you
know
we
often
get
asked
you
know.
So
what
happens
if
four
city
council
members
are,
you
know
going
to
a
cubs
game?
Is
that
okay
and
the
real
you
know
determination
is?
Are
you
going
to
discuss
public
business
if
you're
there
and
you
manage
to
not
discuss
public
business
for
the
entire
game?
Then
it's
okay,
but
obviously
that's
a
very
perilous
situation
to
be
in
and
if
you
do
happen
to
discuss
public
business
that
would
be
considered
and
it's
outside
of
a
noticed
meeting.
K
K
Apply
to
members
of
your
zba
or
others.
So
if
three
members
of
the
council
and
one
member
of
the
cda
are
in
the
meeting
or
in
the
same
place
talking
about
public
business,
that's
okay!
It's
not
triggered
because
that
zba
member
does
not
trigger
the
old
music,
because
they're,
not
a
part
of
this
public
value,
be.
J
Careful
also,
if
you
have
committees
of
the
council,
if
if
there
are
committees
of
the
council
and
do
you
that
are
smaller,
so
those
each
and
each
and
of
themselves
are
public
bodies
and
you
do
the
calculation
there.
So
it
may
be
less
than
four
or
less
than
three
that
could
gather
if
you're,
if
a
majority
of
a
quorum
of
the
committee
is
getting
together
to
discuss
business
of
the
committee,
so
be
careful
in
in
the
overall
calculation.
I
So
discussing
public
business
obviously
is
a
main
component
of
this,
and
when
determining
whether
public
business
is
being
discussed,
the
open
meetings
act
contemplates
this
concept
of
contemporaneous
communication,
so
contemporary
contemporaneous
communication,
obviously,
is
you
know
people
in
a
room
discussing
something
a
group
text,
a
group
text,
whatsapp
text.
I
You
know
anytime,
that
there's
a
discussion,
public
business
sort
of
relatively
in
the
same
time
frame
amongst
that
majority
of
a
quorum
where
this
can
get
really
sticky
is
in
social
media,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
time
when
you
don't
think
of
it
being
a
discussion
or
a
communication,
but
you
know
take
the
example
of
there
being
a
facebook
page,
for
you
know:
community
project
and
a
council
member
posts,
a
post
on
that
on
that
facebook
page
and
then
another
council
member
responds
make
comments
on
that
post
now
you're
and
if
this
is
all
happening
in
a
relatively
confined
time
frame,
you
now
have
city
council
members
discussing
public
business,
a
city.
I
You
know
community
project
together
and
potentially,
if
you
have
a
majority
of
a
quorum,
you
have
an
open
meetings,
act
issue.
So
it's
a
time
that
you
want
to,
you
know,
be
very
careful
about
you,
don't
know.
Who's
else
is
listening
to
these
comments
online
and
who
may
jump
in
and
participate.
You
can't
control
that.
So
it's
just
a
very
a
place
to
be
very
careful.
K
We
get
asked
this
question
all
the
time
like
is
that
out?
I
think
it
is
right
where's
the
line
when
you're
talking
about
contemporaneous.
Is
it
like
right
away?
What's
right
away?
Is
it
the
next
day?
The
answer
is
there
is
no
there
the
ag
and
the
courts
have
not
provided
a
rule.
K
So
we
we
err
on
the
side
of
you
know
it's
a
one-way
communication
that
ends
there
does
not
trigger,
but
any
kind
of
when
you
start
replying
to
that,
you
know
depending
on
when
it
I
mean
no
matter
really
when
it
is
yes,
if
it's
a
year
later,
that's
probably
not
contemporaries,
but
you
know
there's
no
real
direct
line,
so
we
err
on
the
side
of
don't.
You
know,
don't
engage
in
electronic
communications
where
there's
more
of
a
majority
requirement.
I
And
another
example
of
that,
that's
just
really
common
is
say:
the
city
manager
sends
out
an
email
to
the
entire
city
council.
You
know
maybe
an
update
to
the
agenda
or
something
like
that.
That's
fine!
That's
that
one
way:
communication
city,
council,
the
city
manager,
is
not
a
member
of
the
council
and
it's
like
sending
out
a
letter.
I
But
when
someone
hits
reply
all
and
says
you
know,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
talk
about
that
later
or
I
didn't
know
it
was
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
someone
else
says:
well,
we
talked
about
it
all
of
a
sudden.
Now
you've
got
image.
You
know,
theoretically,
the
entire
city
council
discussing
something
over
email
outside
of
a
meeting.
So
another
just
rule
of
thumb
that
we
always
advise
our
clients
is
just
do
not
hit
reply
all
because
that's
just
a
place
where
you
can
get
into
some
dangerous
territory.
K
The
other
advice
we
give
is
because
sometimes
we
make
mistakes
about
replying
to
all
is
if
there's
a
communication
to
the
entire
council
or
you're
communicating
to
more
than
four
or
four
more
bcc
everybody
and
email
yourself.
So
there's
no
way
that
for
anybody,
even
if
they
hit
reply
to
all
it's
only
going
to
go
to
the
center
and
then
protect
yourself.
J
Just
to
emphasize
this
because
it
is
so
important
and
it's
very
confusing
and
there's
actually
possible
litigation
in
another
community
on
this
subject.
One
council,
member
or
a
staff
member,
sending
an
email
blessed
to
the
entire
council
is
not
a
problem.
It
is
a
one-way.
It
is
the
two-way
that
makes
it
an
open
meeting.
I
All
right,
so
the
open
meetings
act
once
you've
determined
that
you've
got
a
meeting,
there's
a
set
of
other
requirements
to
make
sure
that
that
meeting
is
open.
So
one
of
them
is
that
all
meetings
need
to
be
properly
noticed,
there's
different
types
of
meetings,
there's
regular
meetings,
special
meetings
and
emergency
meetings
and
all
of
those
have
slightly
different
notice
requirements.
I
won't
go
through
them
they're
on
the
board,
but
just
be
aware
that
even
an
emergency
meeting
does
need
to
have
notice
given
just
to
the
extent
practical.
I
So
you
can't
hold
a
2
am
meeting
or
you
know,
a
meeting
a
hundred
miles
away
and
the
next
requirement
that
the
open
meetings
act
requires
of
meetings
is
that
there
must
be
an
agenda
and
there
must
be
minutes
of
the
meeting,
so
the
agenda
you've
all
seen
them
they.
One
question
we
get
frequently
about
an
agenda
is:
does
everything
you
discuss
during
the
city
council
meeting
have
to
be
on
that
agenda?
I
So
can
you
only
discuss
the
items
that
are
on
that
agenda
and
the
answer
is
no,
so
the
the
open
meetings
that
does
contemplate
that
you
can
discuss
and
consider
topics
or
items
that
you
know
either
come
up
during
the
comment
or
someone
just
wants
to
raise
during
you
know
another
opportunity
in
the
meeting,
but
the
open
meetings
act
does
prohibit
taking
final
action.
So
you
cannot
vote
on
an
item
that
has
not
been
put
on
the
agenda.
First.
K
K
N
K
That's
that's
the
bottom
line
legal
requirement
for
meeting
now
a
lot
of
times,
there's
more
general
description
about
what
emotion
is,
but
we
advise
against
even
attempting
to
go
very
far
beyond
that
and
try
to
say
you
know,
try
to
provide
summary
of
comments
from
each
member
of
the
council
or
members
of
the
public,
because
they're
inevitably
there's
no
way
to
do
that
unless
you're
literally
taking
a
verbatim
transcript
of
it,
and
we
don't
advise
that
it's
certainly
not
required.
So
minutes
become
important.
K
I
One
and
one
of
the
issues
that
can
happen
is
you
know
you
can't
if
you
have
a
three-hour
meeting
with
a
lot
of
public
comment
and
you
the
minute
taker,
includes
some
people's
comments
and
others.
You
know
someone's
like.
Why
were
they?
Why
was
their
comment
included
in
the
summary
and
not
mine,
or
by
including
these
comments
and
not
others?
It
kind
of
puts
an
unnatural
emphasis
that
wasn't
actually
at
the
meeting
on
a
particular
opinion
or
or
topic.
I
So
the
danger
is
that
the
summary
that
you're
trying
to
make
is
actually
not
as
accurate
if
it
had
just
been
like,
really
pared
down
and
just
kind
of
hit,
the
the
general
summary.
So
the
next
requirement
of
the
open
meetings
act
is
that
there
should
be
public
comment.
I
So
the
open
meetings
act
requires
that
any
person
shall
be
permitted,
an
opportunity
to
address
the
public
officials
under
the
rules
established
by
the
public
body
so
up
front.
I
think
it's
useful
to
just
make
a
distinction
between
a
public
meeting
where
that
requirement
applies
in
a
public
hearing.
J
Let
me
just
chime
in
on
that
that's
a
very
important
distinction
when,
when
the
city
council
meets
most
of
the
time,
you
are
meeting
as
a
pu
in
a
public
meeting,
there
may
be
occasions
certain
budgetary
issues
and
and
other
nuanced
areas
of
illinois
law
where
you
may
need
to
have
a
public
hearing.
Those
are
far
and
few
between,
for
the
most
part,
you
are
meeting
as
a
public
meeting.
There
is
a
difference
between
a
public
meeting
and
a
public
hearing.
J
A
public
meeting
is
for
the
public
to
observe
your
meeting,
but
it
is
your
meeting.
It
does
not
give
the
right
to
the
public
to
participate
in
your
meeting.
It
gives
the
right
to
the
public
to
observe
your
meeting
in
a
gallery.
If
they're,
if
you
were
in
congress,
they
would
be
elevated
in
a
in
a
gallery.
A
public
hearing,
on
the
other
hand,
gives
the
public
the
right
to
actually
participate
in
in
the
meeting
in
in
the
hearing.
They
have
the
right
to
confront
witnesses.
They
have
the
right
to
make
statements.
J
They
have
the
right
to
responses.
That
is
not
the
case
in
a
public
meeting
and
that's
important
now.
The
open
meetings
act
as
brook
indicated
gives
the
public
an
opportunity
to
comment,
and
you
have
on
your
agenda
public
comment
time
that
that
that
is
for
the
public
to
make
comments
to
you
that
that's
their
first
amendment
right
to
address
the
government,
but
they
don't
have
a
first
amendment
right
to
have
an
engagement
in
a
conversation
with
government.
They
for
political
reasons.
J
You
may
want
to
do
that
in
your
wards
or
separately
with
the
public,
but
they
don't
have
a
right
to
a
discourse
at
a
public
meeting.
They
have
a
right
to
make
a
comment,
and
I
think
your
rules
are
very
clear
that
they
have
the
that
there
is
no
obligation
on
the
part
of
the
city
council
to
respond
immediately
or
at
all
that
that
is
a
legal
answer.
What
you
do
politically
is,
of
course,
up
to
you,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
you
understand
that
distinction.
I
Right
and-
and
you
know,
get
engaging
in
the
back
and
forth
during
public
comment
can
often
you
know
it
drags
the
meeting
out
it
can
kind
of
start
to
like
fray
the
you
know,
the
general
structure
of
the
meeting,
so
it
can
get
a
little
out
of
hand
and
often
the
the
best
reason
to
respond
later
is
just
because
you
have
a
chance
to
discuss
with
staff
look
into
it.
I
You're
not
just
put
on
the
spot
and
giving
an
answer
right
then,
but
obviously
we
realize
that's
really
hard
to
do
because
often
the
public
brings
up
really
good
questions
that
you
feel
the
need
to
respond
to
in
the
moment.
So
it
can
be
difficult,
oh
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
peter
to
discuss
remote
participation.
Oh
sorry,
steve.
J
Okay,
we've
we've
all
we're
all
experts
on
this
this
one.
This
is
an
interesting
one,
remote
participation,
because
the
whole
world
changed
a
year
ago,
but
let's
talk
about
first
pre-pandemic
remote
participation,
because
we
could
be
going
back
to
that
world
shortly.
J
Pre-Pandemic
illinois
had
very
strict
rules,
probably
stricter
than
any
other
state
on
allowing
remote
participation.
It
was
very
difficult
for
council
members
to
participate
remotely.
They
had
to
fall
into
one
of
three
very
limited
categories.
They
had
to
be
seriously
ill.
They
had
to
be
away
on
a
legitimate
bona
fide
emergency
or
they
had
to
be
away
for
their
own
work
related
matters.
J
If
somebody
had
a
second
house
in
wisconsin
or
florida
and
they
wanted
to
participate
on
a
regular
basis,
they
could
not
do
so
that
isn't
or
they
were
on
a
family
vacation,
not
legitimate
for
participating,
remotely
evanston,
actually
added
a
fourth
requirement
that
that
you
could
only
even
if
you
did
fall
into
one
of
these
three
categories.
J
You
can
only
exercise
that
right
once
a
year,
that's
that
that's
the
pre-pandemic
world
and
and
that's
where
illinois
was
after
the
once,
the
pandemic
hit
and
and
illinois
sort
of
came
in
pretty
late
in
the
game
compared
to
other
states.
There
will,
if
you
switch
to
the
next
slide,
that
illinois
had
certain
rules
that
we
were
currently
operating
under
frankly,
that
that
allow
for
remote
meetings.
But
there
have
to
be
two
prerequisites:
one
the
governor
has
to
have
declared
an
emergency
which
he
has
and
two
the
head
of
the
public
body.
J
In
this
case
the
mayor
or
any
of
the
other
bodies,
the
the
head
of
that
public
body
has
to
make
a
finding
that
an
in-person
meeting
is
not
practical
or
prudent,
and
then
you
follow
the
procedures
that
you're
intimately
familiar
with
that
you've
been
doing
for
the
last
year.
You
have
to
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
everything
and
all
the
members
of
the
public
have
to
be
able
to
to
be
able
to
be
heard
and
and
observed.
J
K
Was
going
to
say
that
go
ahead,
one
other
the
one
thing
we're
getting
asked
now.
A
lot
is
as
we're
in
in
this
bridge
phase
moving
to
phase
five,
the
simple
fact
that
we're
we
may
get
to
phase
five.
As
long
as
the
governor's
emergency
declaration
still
exists,
the
remote
rules
for
the
pandemics
still
exist,
provided
that
the.
J
Mayor
right
has
also
made
the
the
the
concurrent
second
finding.
That
is,
that
that
is
required,
but
once
once
we're
in
phase
five,
it
is
very
likely.
In
fact,
it
is
likely
any
any
hour
now
that
the
governor
may
change
things
and
and
eliminate
his
own
rule.
J
He's
been
known
to
do
that,
particularly
on
fridays,
at
4
30.,
and
it
could
be
that
he'll
eliminate
that
that
first
finding
and
if
he
does,
even
if
your
mayor
desires,
to
have
it
he's
on
a
you're
unable
to
it
that
both
the
governor
and
the
mayor
have
to
have
to
issue
the
the
have
to
make
the
findings
and
then
we'd
be
back
to
the
old
rules.
J
Now
there
there
has
been-
and
commissioner
suffering
may
know
this-
that
there
has
been
legislation
pending
in
springfield
to
change
the
open
meetings
act
to
expand
the
ability
to
have
remote
meetings,
particularly
since
it
was
done
so
successfully
under
covid.
But
that
has
not
it
certainly.
Is
it's
gone
nowhere
in
this
session
and
we'll
have
to
wait
to
see
what
happens
next
year
next
slide
and
next.
K
One
okay,
so
now
perhaps
the
most
litigated
or
challenged
or
controversial
aspect
of
the
open
meetings
act,
which
is
closed
meetings
we
like
to
say
just
so.
You
know
how
courts
and
the
attorney
general
interpret
the
requirements
around
closed
meetings
that
it's
the
illinois
open
meetings
act,
not
the
illinois,
closed
meetings
act
so
and
that's
you
know!
K
So,
whenever
we're
going
into
closed
session,
any
interpretation
issues
about
whether
we
did
the
procedure
right,
whether
we
went
in
for
the
right
reason
whether
we
kept
it
under
the
right
discussion,
if
it's
ever
challenged
or
reviewed
the
presumption
is
it's
a
very
strict
construction
against
the
closed
meeting.
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
and
we're
vigilant
about
it.
K
So
the
three
things
to
remember
you
have
to
you
have
to
go
into
the
closed
meeting
correctly,
and
that
means
a
correct
vote
for
a
correct
reason
and
then,
once
we're
in
closed
session,
we
have
to
stay
in
our
lane.
We
have
to
only
talk
about
why
we
went
into
closed
session.
So
the
first
thing
the
motion
there
needs
to
be
in
an
open
session.
There
needs
to
be
a
motion
to
go
into
closed
session.
K
We
can't
go
into
a
closed
session
unless
we're
already
in
a
meeting
can't
be
somewhere
else
without
not
being
in
a
meeting
an
open
meeting
and
then
try
to
have
a
private
meeting
not
allowed.
So
there
has
to
be
in
an
open
session.
There
has
to
be
a
motion.
It
has
to
be
seconded.
That
motion
has
to
specifically
identify
the
statutory
reason
for
going
into
closed
session
and
those
reasons
are
laid
out.
There's.
K
The
answer
is
no:
traditionally
many
municipalities
put
it
then
they're
all
over
the
board
on
this
some
put
closed
session,
and
that's
it
some
put
closed
session
and
then
specifically
identify
for
that
meeting.
The
reason
they're
going
into
closed
session,
but
that
is
not
none
of
that
is
legally
required
and
the
reason
is
you
could
be
in
an
open
meeting
and
somebody
could
stand
up
an
applicant,
a
member
of
the
public
and
said
I'm
going
to
sue
sue
the
city.
K
K
K
K
The
only
people
that
really
can't
be
excluded
from
a
closed
session
are
members
of
the
council,
except
in
very,
very
extraordinary
circumstances,
but
ordinarily,
there's
staff,
there's
an
attorney
and
and
sometimes
there's
a
private
party
that
you
may
be
negotiating
with
on
a
project
that
that's
okay.
It
is
up
to
you,
the
council,
who
gets
to
attend
closed
session.
K
And
there's
a
statutory
procedure
for
that
as
well
yep.
So
now,
when
we're
in
closed
session,
we
have
to
stick
to
a
discussion
only
about
the
reason
we
went
into
closed
session.
So
if
we
go
into
closed
session
to
talk
about
pending
litigation,
that
we
cannot
talk
about
collective
bargaining,
even
though
collective
bargaining
is
a
proper
topic
for
closed
session,
because
that
wasn't
part
of
the
motion,
the
public
has
the
right
to
know
why
we're
going
into
closed
session
and
we're
not
allowed
to
veer
from
that
once
we're
in
closed
session.
K
Unless
we've
alerted
the
public
beforehand
and
and
we're
we're
very
vigilant
about
about
this,
it
is
very
easy.
I
mean
the
reason
for
public
closed
session
is
to
allow
you
to
have
frank,
honest
strategic
conversations
and
really
get
to
you
know
some
difficult
topics
sometimes,
but
that
level
of
frankness
and
openness
sometimes
just
naturally
can
veer
outside
of
the
specific
reason
for
the
closed
session
and
and
we
you
know,
there
needs
to
be
vigilance
there,
because
the
consequences
of
of
going
outside
the
lane
is,
if
challenged
one.
K
The
first
thing
that
happens
is
those
verbatim
rep
recordings
go
to
the
ag
or
go
to
the
court,
so
they
get
to
hear
everything
so
there's
nothing.
You
can't
hide
anything.
It's
whatever's
on
the
tape
is
on
the
tape
and
if
it
is
found
that
it
was
improper,
once
we
got
into
closed
session,
the
recording
becomes
public.
K
So
if
the
consequences
are
severe,
you
know
practically
and
also
you
know,
as
a
pr
matter.
Having
an
improper
closed
session
is
just
not
a
good
place
to
be.
J
K
And
abuse
sounds
like
it
was
deliberate,
but
oftentimes.
It's
not
it's
just
a
difficult,
a
difficult
sense,
so
one
of
the
reasons
to
go
into
closed
session,
of
course,
is
talking
about
pending
litigation.
That's
easy!
You
have
a
lawsuit
that
either
a
plaintiff
or
a
defendant
in
the
city,
easy
to
go
into
closed
session.
The
other
one
is
probable
or
imminent
litigation
affecting
the
municipality.
J
Before
you
get
just
one
distinction,
pending
litigation
affecting
the
municipality,
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
evanson
has
to
be
sued
or
evanson
is
the
plaintiff.
If
there's
a
piece
of
litigation
against
the
village
of
skokie,
that
that
could
impact
evanston
it's
possible
for
you
to
go
into
closed
session,
to
discuss
that
pending
litigation,
because
you
will
be
able
to
make
a
finding
that
it
affects
the
city
of
evanston,
correct.
K
So
probable
or
imminent-
and
it's
got
it's
got
to
be
those
words.
It's
got
to
be
probable
and
in
our
view
that
means
more
than
50
percent
likelihood
and
it's
got
it
or
imminent.
It's
somebody
stands
up
and
said:
I'm
gonna
file
tomorrow
or
you
know
imminent.
What
it
is
not
is
possible,
possible
litigation
or
could
be
litigation.
K
K
You
need
the
magic
words,
you've
got
to
look,
and
the
statute
actually
says
that-
and
this
is
the
only
the
only
element
of
the
statute
that
this
has
this
requirement
that
there
has
to
be
a
specific
finding
on
the
factual
basis
of
how
you
concluded
that
litigation
was
probable
or
imminent.
So
it's
it
this
this
one's,
a
sticky
one,
and
we
just
you,
got
to
be
vigilant
about
why
I
just
want
to
mention
a
couple
of
the
other
tricky
ones.
K
K
I
mentioned
this
one
because
we
never
really
used
this
one
up
until
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
then
with
kovid
and
civil
unrest
matters.
We've
actually
used
this
one
a
lot,
and
it
is
it's.
It's
it's
valuable
and
it's
legitimate.
So
it
has
come
up
a
lot
over
the
last
few
years
or
the
last
15
months.
K
What's
that
yeah?
So
so
what
happens
when
you're?
When
there's
a
problem,
the
consequences,
as
I
said
it,
everything's
can
become
public,
but
the
violation
is,
you
know:
civil
suits,
attorneys
fees
and
and
in
crimes
there's
actually
a
jail
term
for
violation.
I
don't
think
it's
ever
been
utilized,
but
it's
in
the
statute
and
and
and,
as
I
said,
everything
gets
reviewed
either
by
the
court
or
the
ag.
So
there's
once
there's
a
challenge.
K
The
whole
record
goes
up,
and
so
any
kind
of
confidential
conversations
become
not
so
confidential
anymore.
O
I
think
alderman
fleming
has
participated
in
our
human
services
committee,
so
we
made
a
change
right
around
the
time
that
our
police
adopted
the
body
cameras
and
that
we
are.
We
made
a
provision
that
we
could
go
into
executive
session
as
a
human
services
committee
to
view
that
body
camera
footage
and
typically
it
would
come
up
if
a
resident
brought
it
was
president
human
service
made
a
comment
about
the
body,
video
and
then
we'd
probably
see
it
at
the
following
committee
meeting.
I'm
assuming
that
that's
within
the
laws
that
you
just
presented
a
moment
ago.
K
J
Yeah,
keep
in
mind
that
the
freedom
of
information,
the
open
meetings
act,
is
a
state
law
that
preempts
home
rule
so
home.
Rule
communities
cannot
create
their
own
exceptions
to
the
open
meetings
act.
You
have
to
fall
into
one
of
the
categories
that
specifically
set
forth
in
the
state
statute
and
it
may
well
be,
but
again,
we'd
have
to
look
at
the
specific
facts.
O
O
A
Talk
about
it
later,
thank
you.
Are
we
on
pace
to
still
have
time
for
questions
at
the
end?
All
right,
do
you
want
to
go
now?
Do
you
want
to
hold
okay.
J
K
So,
thank
you,
the
the
minutes
of
close.
You
know.
Just
like
open
session
minutes
of
closed
session.
There
has
to
be
minutes
of
closed
session.
You
know
that
all
closed
sessions
are
now
recorded.
That
was
a
new
statutory
requirement
of
about
a
decade
ago.
Those
recordings
have
to
be
maintained
for
18
months
at
a
minimum.
They
can
be
destroyed
after
that
18
month
period.
K
Unless
there's
a
record
in
writing
with
those
minutes
of
that
meeting,
you're
right,
there's
the
biennial
by
annual
review
of
the
minutes
and
that's
just
to
review
and
the
reason
for
the
review
is
you
have
the
ability
with
regard
to
your
written
minutes
and
there's,
there's,
there's
the
approval
of
the
minutes
and
then
there's
whether
they
should
mean
they
should
retain
their
confidentiality,
whether
they
should
continue
to
be
not
subject
to
foia,
because
closed
session
minutes
are
not
subject
to
foia
the
council
review.
K
You
know
the
council
is
supposed
to
review
those
every
six
months
and
determine
whether
there's
a
need
for
confidentiality
that
is
largely
and
and
broadly
within
the
realm
and
the
authority
of
the
city
council.
We
know
of
no.
K
There
has
been
no
case
where
a
court
or
the
ag
has
overturned
the
decision
of
a
council
to
maintain
the
confidentiality
of
those
minutes
very
broad
discretion.
If
those
if
the
minutes
are
determined,
if
you,
if
the
council
determines
these
minutes,
don't
require
confidentiality,
then
they're
called
then
they
are
deemed
to
be
released.
K
Release
does
not
mean
that
they're
put
on
it
just
means
that
if
somebody
foias
those
minutes,
then
they're
subject
to
foia,
as
opposed
to
not
being
subject
to
foia.
But
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're
immediately,
they
have
to
be
immediately
sent
out
to
the
world.
N
Does
the
destruction
of
the
verbatim
record
happen
only
after
they're
released.
I
N
I
After
they've
been
approved
so
right,
so
speaking
of
foia,
we're
we're
running
a
little
short
on
time,
so
we
want
to
make
sure,
there's
time
for
questions,
so
we'll
try
and
move
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation
pretty
quickly,
but
so
foia
is
sort
of
a
counterpart
to
the
open
meetings
act.
It
ensures
that
the
documents
and
records
of
the
government
are
the
presumption.
Is
that
they're,
open
to
inspection
and
copying
by
the
public
that
said,
foia
doesn't
require
all
records
or
all
parts
of
records
to
be.
I
I
We
kind
of
refer
to
those
as
the
you
know:
identity,
theft,
type
information,
your
social
security
number
home,
address,
birth
dates,
that
kind
of
information,
and
then
the
next
I
think
most
frequently
used
exemption
is
for
personal
information,
and
that's
for
like
information,
that's
you
know
highly
personal
information
that
would
that
is
just
unreasonable
to
assume
the
public
should
know,
and
basically
most
of
these
exemptions
are
there
as
like,
a
policy
balancing
where
they're
saying
that
the
interest
of
the
party
to
keep
these
this
information
private
outweighs
the
public's
interest
in
knowing
it
so
that's
kind
of
in
for
the
personal
information,
you
know
that's
kind
of
the
balancing
test
you
may
use
to
to
redact
information.
J
I
want
to
pause
on
one
of
them,
which
is
preliminary
drafts.
Frequently
a
document
will
be
marked
draft
in
order
to
protect
it
from
being
released
under
foia.
That's
a
very
common
practice,
legitimate
practice,
but
be
careful
there's
an
exception
to
that.
If
the
mayor,
not
a
council
member,
but
if
the
mayor
refers
to
that
draft
in
a
public
meeting,
you
lose
the
exemption.
I
So
so,
there's
the
voluntary
exemptions
but
foia,
also
contemplates
and
and
makes
provision
for
the
fact
that
there
are
many
statutes
in
state
statutes
that
may
prohibit
the
disclosure
of
information
or
even
the
disclosure,
of
an
entire
record.
So
examples
of
that
are
the
juvenile
core
act:
the
abused
and
neglected
child
reporting
act.
I
These
are
all
acts
that
prohibit
information
from
being
given
to
anyone
other
than
an
authorized
recipient,
and
so
just
because
someone
submits
a
foia
request
for
that
information,
you
still
have
to
go
back
and
and
think
what
what
information
is
in
this
report.
Some
of
it
is
not
voluntary.
I
It's
it's
actually
required
and
in
some
cases
it's
a
misdemeanor
to
release
those
records.
So
it's
an
important
evaluation.
I
So
one
topic
that
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
highlighted
today
that
affects
public
officials
is
what
is
a
record
and
when
is
that
record
in
the
possession
of
the
public
body,
because
foia
really
only
applies
to
public
records
which
are
in
the
possession
or
have
been
prepared
for
the
public
body.
So
there's
been
an
evolving
body
of
case
law
that
has
really
broadened
the
idea
of
what
kind
of
records
the
public
can
get
and
so
I'll.
Let
peter
discuss
that.
K
So,
as
brook
said,
the
key
issue
here
this
is
this-
is
emails
and
texts
and
when
they're
subject
to
foia,
so
the
key
issue
here
is
and
foia
applies
to
the
public
body.
So
who
is
the
public
body?
Obviously,
when
there's
emails
or
texts
that
are
on
the
city,
server,
those
are
in
possession
of
the
city,
the
public
body
and
those
are
all
subject
to
foia,
subject
to
the
exceptions
but
they're
all
public
records
under
foia.
K
It
doesn't
matter
how
they
got
there
doesn't
matter
if
they
came
from
a
personal
device
on
a
personal
email
account
a
text
doesn't
matter
if
they're
in
possession
of
the
city,
server
or
the
city.
If
they're
hard
copy
in
this
building,
they
are
potentially
foia
the
tricky
issues,
and
this
is
the
stuff
that
has
evolved
over
the
last
10
years,
because
the
statute
was
written
before
there
were
emails
or
texts.
K
The
tricky
issue
is
what
about
texts
and
emails
on
your
personal
devices
or
on
your
personal
accounts
that
don't
that
the
city
is
not
in
possession
of
at
all
and
the
first
indication
of
where
the
courts
were
happened
in
city
of
champaign
council
members
were
at
the
diocese
and
two
of
them
were
texting
each
other.
During
the
meeting
there
was
a
reporter
in
the
front.
Row
saw
this
going
on
foyered
and
said:
I
want
those
texts.
K
J
Though
those
texts
were
not
on
the
city,
server,
they're,
on
verizon
or
t-mobile,
and
it
became
a
tremendous
burden
for
the
city
to
have
to
get
those,
but
they
did
have
to
go,
get
those
texts
from
verizon
or
t-mobile
because
they
were
technically
in
the
possession
of
the
city.
When
the
council
member
was
at
the
diocese.
K
But
those
were
not
on
the
city
server,
the
the
media
voided,
those
the
court
said
that
those
employees
outside
of
any
meeting,
of
course,
but
those
employees,
particularly
police
officers,
have
the
ability
to
act
on
behalf
of
the
public
body
outside
of
a
meeting
they're,
always
acting
on
behalf
of
this,
the
public
body.
So,
regardless
of
where
those
texts
or
emails
originated,
they
were
potential,
they
were
public
documents,
public
records
available
to
be
fired,
so
the
next
expansion
was-
and
this
is
just
in
2020.
K
What
about
the
mayor
or
what
about
department
heads
key
governmental
officials-
and
this
was
the
bga
case
that
bga
filed
against
the
city
of
chicago
and
former
mayor
rahm
emanuel
around
when
the
during
the
the
school
strike,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
emails.
We
all
remember
mayor
emanuel
liked
to
use
his
email
and
they
were
on
private.
His
email
account
and
private
device,
and
the
court
said
there
that
the
mayor
has
independent
authority
to
act
on
behalf
of
the
public
body
outside
of
the
context
of
a
public
meeting.
K
So
the
mayor
always
is
the
public
body,
so
any
emails
or
texts
from
the
mayor
and
also
from
those
department
heads
which
are
just
like
other
employees.
They
also
had
at
least
in
chicago,
had
the
authority
to
bind
the
city
and
act
on
behalf
of
the
public
body
so
also
there,
regardless
of
whether
the
city
had
possession
of
any
of
that
those
were
also
public
records,
subject
to
being
floyd,
so
knock
all
that
down.
K
If
you're
doing
the
math,
the
only
public
official
outside
of
a
meeting
whose
emails
or
texts
potentially
is
not
subject
to
floya
are
individual
members
of
the
council
other
than
the
mayor,
because
outside
the
council
they
don't
really
have
authority.
Now
we
would
say
that
that's
that's
just
where
the
law
is
now
that
case
really
hasn't
happened
yet
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
rely
on
it
comfortably.
If.
J
You
talk
to
if
you
talk
to
the
pac,
the
the
political,
the
public
access
counselor
of
the
attorney
general's
office.
There
are
the
opinion
that
every
text
at
any
time
is
all
subject
to
foia.
We
disagree,
but
that's
today,
as
peter
indicated,
and
this
law
is
definitely
evolving.
So
I
would
be
very
careful
certainly
be
vigilant
when
you're
sitting
on
the
diocese.
I
So
we
had
initially
planned
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
prohibited
political
activities,
but
I
think
we're
running
out
of
time,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
time
to
for
questions.
I
So
we
have
the
prohibited
political
activities.
Gift
band
conflict
of
interest
are
all
in
the
memo
that
we
handed
out
and
those
are
also
obviously
all
requirements
that
are
in
your
code.
So
I
think
we'll
just
skip
it.
If,
if
that's
your
preference-
and
we
can
take
questions,
make
sure
we
have
time
for
questions
right.
A
A
Well,
so
I'm
just
counting
questions,
so
I
think
I
think
we're
going
to
have
we're
going
to
have.
I
think
five
questions
and
we're.
So
can
you
do
like
yeah.
I
Absolutely
absolutely
literally
60
seconds
or
less
couple
slides
sure,
so
the
prohibited
political
activities,
the
state
officials
in
employees,
ethics,
act
and
section
1104
of
your
city
code
prohibit
political
activities,
basically
during
compensated
time.
So.
L
I
I
In
a
committee
meeting
or
in
a
you
know,
work
group
meeting,
you
know
in
any
of
your
official
duties,
so
obviously,
during
that
time
you
cannot
engage
in
political
political
activity,
so
that
includes
you
know,
saying
you
know,
vote
for
me
at
the
next
election.
Like
from
the
diocese.
You
can't
do
that.
I
So
there's
that
requirement
and
then
there's
also
a
requirement
that
you
can't
use
city
resources
for
political
activities
and
that's
that's
not
that
doesn't
have
any
limitation
about
compensated
time.
That's
anytime,
so
you
can't
use
your
city
email
for
campaign
purposes.
You
can't
use
the
photocopier
to
make
flyers.
You
can't
use.
If
you
have
a
city,
city-issued
laptop,
you
shouldn't
be
using
it
for
campaign
purposes.
That
kind
of
thing.
So
that's
a
very
brief
overview.
A
Great,
and
in
fact
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
just
call
on
everyone
to
enumerate
their
questions
first,
so
we
can
then
figure
out
how
to
allocate
the
time
to
the
different
questions
once
we
know.
What's
what
we
have
so
first
council
member
fleming,
just
name
your
questions,
yeah
they'll,
ask
you
then.
P
So
sorry
for
the
closed
meetings
or
the
executive
session
slide,
there
was
a
list
of
permitted
topics.
Do
those
topics
have
to
be
discussed
in
closed
session
or
are
they
just
permitted
to
be
discussed.
J
A
Right,
let's
get
them
all
out,
let's
stick
with
our
plan,
so
next
council
member
news.
H
One
question
for
our
team
here
is:
can
you
clarify
whether
or
not
the
city
clerk
is
allowed
to
attend
closed
sessions.
A
And
I
have
two
questions.
The
first
is
about
the
forms
of
government.
I
have
had
a
heck
of
a
hard
time
assembling
what
you
know.
What
I
would
love
to
see
is
a
spreadsheet
of
all
illinois,
municipalities
and
then
a
second
column
that
explains
what
article
they're
organized
under
certainly
council
member
suffered
and
seems
confident
about
the
cicero
form
of
government.
A
But
there
are
many
other
municipalities
in
in
evanston,
and
I've
just
had
a
really
hard
time
accessing
that
is
so
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
that
exists
in
a
single
coherent
place,
as
opposed
to
having
to
look
on
many
municipal
websites
and
then
even
there.
It
got
sort
of
not
super
clear
outcomes,
and
my
second
question
is
requesting
a
clarification
of
the
definition
of
final
action
for
purposes
of
agendas,
for
open
meetings.
J
All
right,
let's
real
quickly,
state
council
member
fleming's,
great
question,
both
the
both
sunshine
laws,
freedom
of
information
and
open
meetings,
give
you
exemptions.
None
of
them
have
to
be
exercised,
there's
a
possible
exception
with
for
personal
information
that
they
may
fall
under
some
other
protected
statute,
but
those
are
only
exemptions
that
are
enabling
you
to
use.
You
are
not
required
to
use
any
of
them.
K
On
the
city,
clear
question,
yes,
I
mean
there
is
a
statute
that
authorizes
and
directs
that
the
city
clerk
be
allowed
to
attend
closed
session.
J
It's
a
recent
amendment.
Within
the
last
10
years,
the
clerk's
organization
association
added
got
that
added
to
the
state
statutes,
but
home
rule
units
may
adopt
it
that
doesn't
preempt
home
rule
units
and
certain
home
rule
units
have
adopted
a
local
ordinance
that
that
gives
the
mayor
the
ability
to
determine
who's
in
the
open
or
closed.
J
Just
in
preparing
for
this
week
and
and
giving
these
presentations
to
all
of
our
clients,
I
want
just
to
see
which,
which
the
illinois
home
rule
organization
and
and
other
entities
would
list
as
article
5
managerial
form
of
governments,
and
I
saw
listed
on
there-
glencoe,
which
I
we
represent,
and
I
know,
is
not
and
and
other
municipalities
that,
just
because
they
have
a
manager,
somehow
they
got
listed
as
the
article
five
managerial
form
of
government.
There
is,
regrettably,
unfortunately,
maybe
something
our
firm
could
take
on,
but
there
isn't
there.
J
You
will
not
find
such
a
such
an
organized.
K
List
the
closest
document
I've
seen
to
doing
that
is
about
five
years
ago
during
the
previous
administration
and
the
the
reorganization
of
municip,
the
munici
local
government
entities,
the
the
consolidation
report,
the
committee
and
I
think
that
did
a
big
dive
on
the
different
types
of
municipalities.
I
just
don't
remember
whether
it
got
into
the.
J
K
And
then
on,
and
we
can
all
fight
back
on
this
one,
because
this
one
on
what
is
final
action,
I
mean
my
for
per
final
action
is
something
that
binds
the
public
body,
particularly
with
regard
to
a
third
party.
So
procedural
issues
are
you
know
whether
to
recess
or
whether
to
yeah,
whether
to
recess
weather
return?
K
Those
are
procedural
issues
that
are
not
final
action
that
have
to
be
on
the
agenda,
but
any
kind
of
again
final
action
with
regard
to
an
applicant
with
regard
to
a
contract
with
regard
to
an
employee
with
regard
to
something
that
binds
the
city.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
that
has
to
be
on
the
agenda.
J
J
J
L
Quick
question
regarding
the
the
exemption
that
enables
us
to
use
closed
sessions,
so
you
said
that,
in
other
words,
we
could
in
fact
discuss
litigation
probable
or
in
imminent
litigation
publicly,
and
that
means
you
could
also
release
records.
Correct
of
probable.
I
I
J
But
we
we
do
exercise
caution
and
you
want
to
make
sure
you
talk
to
your
foia
officer
to
if
something
has
been
determined
to
be
if
the
city
has
exercised
its
right
to
use
an
exemption.
An
individual
council
member,
I
would
argue,
does
not
have
an
independent
right
to
then
release
a
record.
Please
take
that
very
listen
very
carefully
to
the
to
our
advice,
to
talk
to
your
individual
foia
officer.
E
I
I
hear
you
that
an
individual
member
does
not
have
that
right.
So
do
you
know
of
any
municipalities
that
have
ultimately
the
public
body?
The
council
has
the
right
or
the
individual
public
body
for
the
committee
has
the
right
to
release
a
record
or
not
release
a
record.
Do
you
know
of
any
so,
and
we
know
that
we
have
the
option
to
go
to
the
pack
off
the
public
access,
counselor
or
file
a
suit?
Do
you
know
of
any
municipalities
that
have
an
internal
mechanism
where
the
public
body
itself
decides?
J
Okay,
our
last
slide
november
5th
2021,
we're
gonna,
have
a
substantive
gathering
of
all
of
our
local
governments
and
we'd
like
to
invite
the
city
of
evanston
to
attend.
It
save
the
date
we'll
get
a
deeper
dive
into
non-one
municipal
law,
one-on-one
things
more
deeper
into
comprehensive
planning.
Zoning
and
other
issues.
G
Q
Good
morning
and
congratulations
on
your
election
to
the
various
offices,
I'm
joan
bunley,
I'm
that
person-
I
moved
from
his
ward
to
her
ward
seven
months
ago,
and
I
was
contacted
recently
by
the
city
to
conduct
this
workshop
for
you,
and
I
was
pleased
to
do
it.
It
was
three
years
ago
you
and
I
had
a
workshop
from
supposed
to
be
from
5
30
to
8
in
this
room.
He
was
doing
the
city
council
rules
and
I
was
doing
parliamentary
procedure
and
we
got
kicked
out
at
10
o'clock.
Q
Okay,
so
you
know
that
people
did
learn
something
okay,
the
introduction
of
is
somebody
clicking
for
me
yeah,
usually
when
people
hear
about
parliamentary
procedures-
oh
god,
that
means
we
got
to
be
polite
and
all
that
stuff-
and
I
say
you
know,
a
parliamentary
procedure-
is
a
way
of
conducting
business
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page,
and
you
know,
since
robert's
rules
of
order
is
your
parliamentary
authority,
and
maybe
none
of
you
have
seen
it.
This
is
it.
Q
All
you
need
is
this
and
you
can
get
it
on
amazon
at
or
barnes
noble,
it's.
The
third
edition,
which
is
in
sync
with
the
12th
edition
of
roberts,
144
pages
and
everything
you
need
to
know
about
any
meeting
is
in
this
book,
so
I
and
I
think
it's
under
ten
dollars,
so
this
is
for
you,
the
other
one
is
for
me,
okay,
one
of
the
questions
I'm
asked
frequently:
what's
a
parliamentarian,
okay,
what's
parliamentary
procedure
and
even
further
than
that
is
what's
robert's
rules
of
order.
Q
That's
a
way
of
conducting
business
general
henry
roberts
started
this
in
like
the
1700s
when
he
was
an
army,
engineer
and
so
forth
and
came
home
and
decided
meetings
needed
some
rules
to
go
by,
but
to
make
a
short
I've
developed
over
a
number
of
years,
something
that
people
can
understand,
which
is
what
does
a
parliamentarian
do
and
instead
of
going
into
everything,
I've
said
so
far.
I
just
say:
parliamentarians
teach
organizations
to
play
nice.
Q
Q
That's
how
I
have
attracted
people
to
come
to
these
workshops,
because
their
main
concern
is
meetings
go
on
too
long.
We
don't
finish
the
agenda.
People
talk
too
long,
some
people
hug
the
floor
and
I'm
saying
I
can
teach
you
how
to
adjourn
before
midnight.
I
know
you
guys
over
the
years
I've
been
here
a
while
you
don't
adjourn
often
before
midnight,
but
anyway,
that
is
the
opening
I
how
I
got
into
this.
This
is
my
second
career.
I
am
a
retired
registered
nurse
administrator.
I
was
director
of
the
illinois
nurses
association.
Q
Q
Q
We're
going
to
list
the
rules
governing
debate,
identify
essential
points
to
successfully
preside
over
a
meeting
now.
This
doesn't
only
apply
to
this
you're
kind
of
a
legislative
body,
but
it
could
be
a
garden
club,
a
church.
I
have
clients
from
you,
know,
homeless,
organizations
to
religious
organizations
and
professional
organizations,
but
the
rules
governing
debate
are
the
same.
We'll
go
over
those
and
identifying
essential
points
to
successfully
provide
preside
over
meetings.
Q
Should
you
have
to
and
number
one
which
I'm
going
to
cover
most
of
this
morning
are
utilizing
the
ranking,
motions
and
I'll
hand
you
a
chart
when
I'm
ready
for
that,
so
feel
free
to
ask
any
questions
at
any
point,
because
each
subject
can
stand
for
itself
all
right.
What
are
the
principles
of
parliamentary
procedure
order?
There
must
be
an
orderly
process.
For
example,
you
have
an
agenda.
Q
Q
Any
rule
that
you
have
supersedes
the
parliamentary
authority
is
that
clear,
so
you
don't
have
to
follow.
Roberts
roberts
comes
if
your
rules
are
silent.
Okay,
so
there's
an
orderly
process,
which
I
would
say
your
your
own
agenda
is
the
orderly
process.
It
says
how
every
meeting
should
go
equality.
All
members
have
equal
rights.
You
can't
recognize
one
person
and
deny
somebody
else
or
call
on
somebody
five
times
and
somebody
else
too
and
then
there's
justice
for
all.
What
kind
of
covers
everything?
Q
Q
Q
I
have
worked
for
some
organizations
where
the
president
or
the
chairman
thought
that
they
had
a
little
more
authority
than
anybody
else,
and
I
kind
of
nicely
reminded
them
that
the
symbol,
where
is
it
here?
I
had
my
gavel
but
anyway,
the
symbol
of
the
chair
is
the
gavel.
Not
the
crown.
Okay,
just
remember
that
transact
business
legally,
a
quora
must
be
present.
Q
Q
Q
Majority
of
the
quorum
is
four,
so
a
majority
of
the
council.
You
need
five
members
for
anything
and
I
suggest-
and
I
don't
think
you'd
like
it.
If
all
nine
of
you
were
here
and
all
of
a
sudden,
four
people
are
making
a
major
decision
somebody's
going
to
scream,
but
it's
what
your
rules
say
right
now,
so
that
needs
to
be
addressed
so
to
transact
business
legally.
A
quorum
must
be
present
in
most
organizations.
Q
Q
So
what
we
propose
is
what,
on
the
worst
night
of
the
year,
weather-wise,
how
many
people
can
you
expect
to
attend
a
meeting?
Okay?
So
that's
what
you
use
as
a
guide
now
under
the
not-for-profit
law
of
the
state
of
illinois,
I'm
a
parliamentarian,
not
a
lawyer,
but
my
incorporated
organizations,
I'm
responsible
for
knowing
what's
in
the
law,
the
majority
cannot
be
less
than
one-third
of
your
membership
and
for
a
membership
meeting
a
big
membership
meeting,
it's
ten
percent
of
the
membership.
Q
Q
That
decision
stands
okay
and
reconsidering.
The
vote
is
only
good
for
about
for
that
meeting.
24
hours,
so
apparently
you're
all
familiar
with
that.
So
I'll
just
leave
it
there
that
once
the
decision
is
made,
unless
you
want
to
reconsider
the
vote
that
stands,
you
may
want
to
rescind
it
or
repeal
it
at
the
next
meeting,
but
not
at
this
one.
Q
Silence
gives
consent,
except
when
emotion
is
required.
If
you
have
an
agenda
item,
let's
say
the
minutes
and
I'll
cover
those
when
we
get
to
agenda
silence
gives
consent.
If
you
say
then
on
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
the
last
council
meeting.
Q
Are
there
any
corrections?
Not,
but
I
often
hear
are
there
any
additions
are
correct.
No,
you
can't
add
anything
that
didn't
occur
at
that
meeting.
So
anything
you
do
is
a
correction
hearing.
None
silence
gives
consent.
The
minutes
are
approved
is
printed.
This
is
how
you
adjourn
before
midnight.
You
don't
waste,
you
might
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
Is
there
a
second?
Is
there
a
debate,
etc?
Hearing
no
response:
the
minutes
are
approved
as
corrected.
Q
Q
A
majority
vote
decides
a
motion
except
when
the
rights
of
members
are
involved,
then
it's
two-thirds
and
I
think
you
all
are
aware
of
what
you
need.
A
two-thirds
vote
on
and
again
the
motions
that
deprive
their
members
of
their
rights
between
requires
a
two-thirds
vote,
for
instance,
motion
to
close
debate,
which
you
call
call
the
question:
you're
depriving
members
of
their
rights.
So
that
requires
a
two-thirds
vote.
We'll
go
over
that
when
we
go
to
motions
next.
Q
Q
Q
Q
If
there's
no
objection
are
there
any
other
changes
to
the
agenda
or
additions.
Hearing
none
the
agenda
is
proved
is
printed
and
then,
mr
mayor,
you
could
say
based
on
whether
or
not
somebody's
late
or
not
coming
that.
If
there's
no
objection,
the
chair
reserves
the
privilege
of
reordering
the
agenda
as
necessary,
because
if
you
don't
and
something
happens,
you
need
to
go
back
because
you
approved
it
and
get
a
two-thirds
vote
to
reorder
the
agenda
so
be
prepared
to
say.
If
there's
no
objection,
the
agenda
will
be
ordered
as
necessary.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
Okay,
some
people
will
do
it
by
making
a
motion
to
recess
for
five
minutes
and
then
they'll
caucus
and
but
always
if
you're
gonna
recess,
tell
people
five
minutes,
ten
minutes
etc.
And
then
you
go
back
and
reconvene,
but
things
get
hot
and
heavy
and
start
going
sideways.
Q
You
can
always
move
to
recess,
because
the
people
who
come
here
are
observers,
they
they
can
make
speeches
etc,
but
they
don't
have
any
authority
to
recommend
or
whatever,
unless
you
give
it
to
them,
but
many
youth
will
have
to
make
motion
for
any
action
they
want,
but
that's
a
way
of
keeping
the
peace.
Q
A
Q
Okay,
the
other
thing
that's
all
of
that
is
those
are
your
rules
which
supersede
anything
else,
but
one
way
to
make
sure
special
orders
are
addressed
like
at
the
previous
meeting.
If
something
comes
up,
you
don't
have
time
to
research,
it
and
so
forth.
You
want
to
make
it
a
special
order
for
the
next
meeting,
but
give
it
a
time
what
are
your
council
hours
meeting
hours,
usually
eight
to
ten
or
seven
to
nine
or
whatever
pardon
me.
Q
Until
tomorrow,
okay,
but
let's
say,
the
special
order
for
eight
o'clock
is
this
is
why
I'm
bringing
it
up
if
it's
7
55
and
you
have
a
special
order
for
8
o'clock
to
deal
with
whatever
then
at
7
55.
Mr
mayor,
you
say
the
hour
is
7
55.
The
special
order
for
8
o'clock
is,
which
means
everything
stops,
and
you
go
to
that
special.
That's
why
you
put
it
there
to
make
sure
you
get
to
it.
Q
If
you
have
more
than
one,
then
the
next
one
can
be
8
20
or
8
30.,
but
as
the
hour
approaches,
it
is
your
responsibility
to
say
the
special
order
for
8
o'clock
or
8
20
is,
and
everything
stops
and
when
that's
addressed,
then
you
can
go
back
to
the
rest
of
it,
but
this
is
a
way
of
getting
things
addressed.
That
may
be
for
that
particular
meeting
or
left
over
from
a
previous
one.
Any
questions,
yes,.
E
So
our
special
orders
of
business
limit
the
rights
of
members
to
vote
on
to
hold
a
matter
for
further
deliberation
and
we
don't
have
a
line
for
new
business,
so
we
kind
of
use-
and
I
think,
somewhat
inappropriately
special
orders
of
business
which
limit
the
rights
of
members
as
new
business.
That's.
Q
And
I'll
get
to
that
so
unfinished
business.
You
know
what
in
general
orders
do
you
know
what
unfinished
business
is
usually
called
if
you're
at
any
meetings
is
there
any
old
business
you've
heard
that
this
old
business
is
already
taken
care
of
the
reason
it's
on
the
agenda?
Is
it's
unfinished?
You
came
up
at
the
last
meeting
or
the
meeting
before
and
you
needed
more
research,
so
it's
unfinished
business,
not
old
business.
Q
D
Q
I
think
you've
addressed
that
you
would
put
things
on
a
new
business,
make
them
special
orders,
because
that
gives
anybody
the
right
to
bring
up
anything.
They
want
and
put
it
in
form
of
a
motion,
and
you
know
how
to
adjourn
before
midnight.
It's
quarter
to
12
and
you're
asked
to
make
a
decision,
and
you
want
to
get
the
heck
out
of
here.
Q
So
you're
gonna
vote
on
it
and
you're
gonna
regret
it
because
they
deliberately
put
it
on
their
new
business.
So
you
wouldn't
have
time
to
think
about
it.
Okay
and
then
you're
gonna
vote
just
to
get
out
get
out
of
here
and
get
home
and
adjourn
before
midnight.
So
if
anything
comes
up
during
the
review
of
the
agenda,
that's
new!
You
can
place
it
under
new
business
before
you
even
adopt
the
agenda.
Q
But
if
you
get,
if
you
have
everything
under
new
business
yeah
you
can
just
say,
and
if
there
is
no
further
new
business
and
somebody
would
have
to
interrupt
you
and
say:
oh
yes,
I
have,
and
one
of
you-
and
this
is
where
I
tell
people
always
be
prepared.
Have
somebody
say
you
know
we
haven't
had
time
to
address
that?
Can
we
put
it
under
on
the
agenda
at
the
next
meeting,
but
don't
deal
with
it
tonight
because
you'll
be
held
accountable
for
any
decisions
you
make
in
a
hurry?
Q
P
P
Q
A
Q
Okay,
yeah
and
you
see
you
have
an
additional
leg
to
stand
on,
which
is
the
open
meetings
act?
Okay,
okay,
most
of
my
groups,
don't
have
that
because
they
are
what
they
call
deliberative
organizations.
They
just
need
to
conduct
their
business
and,
if
they're
incorporated
they're
under
that
one,
nothing
else,
but
you
have
two
acts
to
fall
back
on,
okay
and
then
program.
If
somebody's
coming
to
present
something-
and
I
always
say,
if
you
don't
want
everybody
you're,
a
public
body,
so
you
don't
you
go
into
executive
session
to
discuss
things.
Q
Have
them
present
it
there
or
you
can
put
it
toward
the
front
wherever
you
want
on
the
agenda
and
then
next
meeting
date-
and
you
can
just
announce
you
know
the
next
council
meeting
is
scheduled
for
and
then
adjournment
or
go
into
executive
session,
which
I
believe
is
what
you
do.
Then
you
adjourn
after
executive
session,
but
everybody
else
is
gone
right.
Q
Q
My
group
somebody
some
especially
if
I'm
the
new
parliamentarian
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Q
I
tap
or
pull
the
sleeve
of.
I
try
to
be
inconspicuous
I'll,
pull
the
sleeve
of
the
chair
and
say
you
don't
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.
If
you
have
completed
the
agenda,
there's
no
other
business
to
discuss.
You
just
adjourn
there
being
no
further
business
to
come
before
this
group.
This
meeting
is
adjourned,
and
you
know
we
parliamentarians
are
known
for
being
strict
and
having
no
sense
of
humor,
which
is
not
true.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
You
can
talk,
I
mean,
if
you
add,
a
time
like
5,
10,
15
minutes
or
whatever,
but
if
there's
no
further
discussion
on
emotion,
mr
mayor,
all
you
got
to
say
is
seeing
no
one
looking
to
be
recognized.
The
motion
before
you
is-
and
I
had
asked:
do
you
write
motions
out
because
if
you
don't,
I
think
I
sent
a
form
I'll
just
send
this
around,
because
you
can
make
your
own
wording
gets
corrected
in
the.
N
Q
Those
are
in
four
parts
because,
as
parliamentarian
I
get
the
first
one.
The
second
one
goes
to
the
secretary.
The
third
one
goes
to
the
person
reading
it
so
that
they
have
that
form
and
the
wording
is
exactly
the
way
it
was
given
in
the
minutes.
You
have
your
own
copy,
you
read
it
and
if
I'm
sitting
next
to
you
I'll
hand,
you
what
they
hand
me
and
you
read
from
it
and
it
just
stays
with
the
minutes
until
they're
completed.
Q
So
you
can
read
it
and
say
the
motion
before
you
is
always
tell
your
people
where
you
are
motion
seconded
discussion,
no
further
discussion.
The
motion
before
you
is
that
we
do
so-and-so
all
in
favor.
If
it's
a
voice
vote,
say
aye.
Those
in
poles
say
no
always
take
the
no
vote,
because
they're
usually
louder
if
they're
serious
about
it
and
then
announce
whether
or
not
it's
adopted
your
adult.
The
motion
is
adopted
and
we
will
do
so,
and
so,
if
it
fails,
the
motion
is
failed
and
we
will
not.
Q
Q
There
are
so
many
in
favor,
so
many
oppose
the
motion
either
passes
or
fails.
So
those
are
the
steps
you
make
the
motion.
Second,
the
motion:
you
stake
the
motion,
you
discuss
the
motion,
they
debate,
it
repeat
the
motion
and
then
take
the
vote
and
then
move
on
the
next
item
of
business.
Is
you
notice,
I
say
item
what
I
hear
frequently
and
you
probably
do
to
the
next
order
of
businesses.
Q
The
whole
agenda
is
the
order
of
business.
It's
the
item
of
business
is
okay,
any
questions
on
the
steps
and
handling
a
motion
moving
on
information
on
motions,
the
ranking
motions.
They
are
13,
5,
privilege,
seven
subsidiary
and
one
main
motion:
did
anybody
give
you
the
motion
chart
I
sent
you
do
have
it
do
you
have
it?
You.
Q
Q
Q
Click
click.
Okay.
The
main
motion,
look
at
the
bottom
of
this
form
requires
a
second.
You
see
all
these
little
columns
here,
that's
exactly
what's
up
there,
but
this
will
tell
you
where
they
rank
and
you'll
find
out
in
a
minute.
Why
they're
important
it
requires
a
second,
it's
debatable
amendable
majority
to
adopt.
It
can
be
reconsidered.
Q
This
is
what
we
call
secondary,
subsidiary
motions.
They
do
something
to
the
main
motion
postpone
indefinitely.
I'm
not
you
know
all
of
these
characteristics,
I'm
not
going
to
read.
We
need
the
time
to
tell
you
the
reason
for
this
motion.
This
is
the
motion
when
you
want
to
kill
something:
you're
not
familiar
with
the
term
indefinite.
But
if
you
know
you
don't
want
this,
and
this
is
the
motion
that
requires
a
second
debatable.
Q
Q
If
somebody
kept
pushing
the
burns
has
brought
up
something
you
know
you
don't
want
to
do
because
the
mass
council
and
the
council,
those
who
you've
been
around
you
know
that
this
is
not
a
proper
thing
and
the
people
of
evanston
wouldn't
stand
for
it
so
rather
than
waste
all
that
time
debating
it
and
amending
it.
You
know
it's
not
going
to
pass,
so
you
would
move
to
postpone
indefinitely,
which
is
to
kill
it.
Q
Q
Okay,
if
it's
postponed
for
a
certain
time,
you
say,
in
other
words
the
reason
they're
ranking
as
if
you
want
to
make
the
mob
above
it
that's
the
one
you
got
to
deal
with
before
you
can
come
back
to
the
one
below.
So
if
nobody
makes
a
motion
after
postponing
definitely-
and
you
take
the
motion
on
that-
it's
dead,
but
they
can't
make
amend
because
there's
nothing
to
amend,
but
they
can
commit
it.
They
can
postpone
it.
Q
They
can
close
debate
on
it.
It's
debatable
or
they
can
call
the
question
on
it
or
they
can
table
it,
which
means
that
it's
only
table
till
the
end
of
this
meeting.
But
if
you
vote
it
down-
and
nobody
else
makes
a
motion,
then
it's
dead.
The
next
item
of
business
is
any
questions
on
postpone
indefinitely,
which
is
to
kill.
Q
Many
people
will
use
the
motion
to
table
which
is
killed
now
under
sturgis
on
the
standard
code,
which
is
the
other
organization
american
institute
of
parliamentarians
when
they
want
to
table
something,
they
need
to
kill
it,
but
that's
another
authority,
it's
not
roberts,
so
this
is
to
kill,
and
that
is
the
end
of
it.
Do
you
understand
the
ranking
that
every
time
you
make
the
motion
above
it,
you
got
to
deal
with
that
one
before
you
can
come
back?
Yes,.
E
Q
If
your
rule
says
you
don't,
then
you
don't
do
that,
so,
in
other
words,
you
got
to
deal
with
everything
that
comes
up.
That's
good,
okay,
the
next
one,
then
now
here's
the
one
that
probably
we're
going
to
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
on
this
is
the
men.
That
means
you
do
something
you
want
to
change
something
or
modify
the
main
motion.
Q
A
Q
You
mind
it's
why
they're
called
ranking
that
if
somebody
makes
a
motion
all
right,
the
main
motion
and
then
somebody
else
doesn't
like
it
and
they
move
well,
you
said
you
can't
postpone
indefinitely,
but
if
there's
a
variable
in
there,
then
somebody
wants
to
amend
it
and
we're
going
to
have
an
exercise
on
that
in
a
minute.
But
if
somebody
else
reads
well,
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
amending
it
right
now.
I
think
we
ought
to
send
it
to
a
committee.
You
can
either
send
it
to
a
committee
that
already
exists
or
create
one.
A
Let
me
say
something
and
tell
me
if
I'm,
if
I'm
right
or
wrong,
so
when
an
emotion
on
this
list
has
been
made
but
not
yet
voted
on.
It
is
then
in
order
to
make
a
motion
higher
up
on
the
list,
but
not
lower
on
the
list.
So
if
someone
were
to
try
to
let's
say,
postpone
indefinitely
presuming
that
were
something
we
allowed
prior
to
that
vote,
someone
else
might
make
a
motion
to
commit.
A
Q
Yes,
in
other
words,
as
long
as
that
motion
is
not
voted
on
this
is
why,
if
you
want
to
do
something
else
to
it,
you
got
to
make
that
motion
before
it's
voted
on,
so
you
immediately
jump
to
the
higher
one.
But
if
it's
sent
to
a
committee,
then
everything
goes
to
the
committee
and
you
go
to
the
next
order
of
business.
Q
Okay,
so
they're
made
going
up,
but
if
you
get
all
the
way
to
table-
and
you
can't
debate
it,
then
you
got
to
if
it's
I
say
table,
the
proper
use
of
the
word
table
is
to
put
it
aside
because
something
else
has
come
up,
but
then,
when
that
is
dealt
with,
maybe
a
special
order,
then
you
have
to
take
it
from
the
table
and
then
go
back
to
it,
but
you
have
to
do
it
at
this
meeting
and
then
once
it's
taken
from
the
table,
then
you
go
back
to
the
previous
question.
Q
If
that
came
up
or
whatever
motion
you
make
them
going
up,
you
process
them
coming
down.
Okay,
I
think
we
did
that
at
the
meeting,
because
there
were
enough
people
here.
I
think
about
30
that
night,
that
I
gave
everybody
a
special
motion
and
had
to
make
them
going
up,
and
then
I
told
them
the
same
motion
coming
down
and
how
we
got
back
to
the
main
motion
by
that
time.
They'd
been
amended.
N
Q
Said
if
it
contains
a
variable
time,
place,
amounts
of
money,
etc,
it's
amendable
and
that
a
majority
vote
can
be
reconsidered
now,
since
people
have
at
least
in
my
experience,
the
most
trouble
amending
emotion
or
amending
an
amendment
I
have
given
councilman,
reed
and
burns,
you
have
the
primary
amendment
you
have
the
secondary
and
commissioner
councilman
brief.
I
want
to
say,
commissioner,
right
councilman,
but
you
have
the
main
motion
and
I
decided
yesterday
to
try
something
that
you
were
familiar
with
so
okay.
Q
Q
Q
O
Q
It
fails
now.
This
is
what
I
hear
most
frequently.
The
motion
dies
for
lack
of
a
second,
it
doesn't
die,
it
was
never
born.
There
is
no
second,
so
it's
not
before
you
so
we're
back
to
the
first
amendment,
which
is
to
amend
the
main
motion
by
striking
august
22nd
and
inserting
august
29th.
Is
there
discussion
on
the
primary
amendment
because
the
secondary
failed?
Yes,.
Q
E
O
Q
No,
because
there's
a
thai
vote,
oh
you're,
so
all
right,
so
the
motion
fails
and
we're
back
to
the
original
main
motion.
Now,
if
that
had
passed,
I'd
be
reading
the
main
motion
as
amended,
which
would
be
august
29th
instead
of
august
22nd.
Do
you
understand
why
I
want
you
to
go
through
this,
because
you
can
have
two
amendments
to
every
main
motion.
Then
you
have
to
stop
so
it's
the
secondary
motion
defended
pass
and
it's
the
primary
amendment
as
amended,
and
if
that
passes
it's
the
main
motion
as
amended
and
all
of
that.
Q
N
Q
So
that
I
could
show
you
how
people
would
get
confused
because
you
got
to
tell
people
where
they
are
because
after
they
voted,
what
did
we
just
do
you
know?
So
you
have
to
do
that
and
some
people
will
just
say.
I
moved
to
substitute
the
whole
thing
by
saying
we
have
a
barbecue
on
september
10th
and
then
you
got
to
look
at.
N
Q
Q
Twice
got
it
two
at
a
time,
however,
once
you
have
done
that
you
could
start
all
over
again
with
another
amendment,
but
you
can't,
but
it
has
to
be
different
from
the
one
you
just
adopted,
because
you
can't
ask
a
group:
that's
one
of
the
principles
to
decide
the
same
question.
That's
been
decided
in
that
session,
so
you
would
have
to
deal
with
the
time
or
whether
you
want
to
have
the
picnic
at
all.
But
you
couldn't
go
back
to
the
22nd
to
29th,
because
you've
already
decided
that.
A
Q
Thank
you.
I
didn't
want
to
give
you
that,
because
I
figured
this
is
all
new
to
you.
So,
but
yes,
you
can
do
with
the
secondary
amendment,
in
other
words,
you're
amending
the
amendment,
but
no
matter
what
only
two
amendments
at
a
time,
then
you
stop
process
those,
but
you
can
start
all
over
again
any
other
questions
on
amendments.
Q
P
Q
Q
N
So
with
councilmember
fleming's
example,
if
the
amendment
is
adopted,
can
she
make
the
motion
to
commit
before
the
motion
of
the
the
vote
on
the
main.
Q
Yeah
yeah,
so
in
other
words,
as
long
as
we're
discussing
this,
you
make
the
next
motion
before
any
vote
is
taken
because
once
the
vote
is
taken,
okay,
the
vote
on
the
amendment.
But
if
you
want
to
send
the
amended
motion
to
a
committee,
you
make
the
motion
to
commit
and
wish
too
many
to
send
it
on
and
on
up
the
line.
If
you
wanted
to
close
debate
and
so
forth,
and
all
of
that,
but
don't
forget,
you're
only
closing
debate
as
long
as
amendment.
Q
A
A
Q
Exactly
exactly
thank
you.
Any
other
question
is
that
clear
to
everyone
about
amendments
and
committing
and
the
next
highest
motion
as
long
as
you
make
that
motion
to
go
to
the
next
level
commit
or
postpone,
definitely
which
means
to
another
meeting
as
long
as
the
vote
isn't
taken,
you
know,
as
I
said
with
this,
the
amendments
go
to
the
committee,
those
that
aren't
voted
on
along
with
the
main
motion.
Q
Q
Exactly
so,
you
make
them
going
up.
You
vote
on
that
motion
and
then
you
start
coming
down
unless
somebody
makes
one
even
higher
until
you
get
up
to
the
point
where
you're
tabling
it,
which
means
that
you're
putting
it
aside
or
you
know,
you're
taking
a
final
vote,
that's
either
passes
or
lost.
So
that's
why
they're
called
ranking
motions,
but
you
see
you
wouldn't
see
that
on
here.
This
is
why
I
gave
you
the
chart
so
that
you
can
take
these
to
any
meeting
and
you
don't
like.
H
Do
city
council
rules
say
anything
differently?
Is
this
list
any
different?
If
we
look
at
the
city
council
rules.
H
Q
If
your
counsel
rules
are
silent
on,
but
but
this
is
where
parliamentary
comes
in,
because
you
can
always
use
these
you're
still
processing
motions,
but
I
don't
see
how
you
know
what
wording
you
would
use
to
get
these
in.
This
is
why,
wherever
your
rules
are
silent,
your
parliamentary
authority
roberts
kicks
in,
and
this
is
robert
okay.
Q
Q
Okay,
what
we're
doing
is
we're
saying.
Well,
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
this
at
this
meeting.
Why
don't
we
just
move
it
to
the
next
meeting,
so
it
requires
a
second,
it's
debatable.
Well,
we
don't
have
time,
because
you
know
august
and
september
is
coming
up
soon
and
we're
not
going
to
meet
and
so
forth.
So
you
may
decide
to
vote
against,
postponing
it.
Okay,
the
next
one
number
five.
Q
Limit
or
extend
linux
and
all
this
means
is,
you
know
what
we
got
a
full
agenda
tonight:
let's
not
spend
more
than
10
minutes
on
this
issue,
so
you
can
move
to
limit
debate
to
two
minutes
or
one
minute
per
person
or
two
speakers
or
15
minutes
any
way
you
want,
but
because
it
involves.
This
is
why
I
went
over
the
principles
and
first
and
the
rules.
Q
F
Q
Q
Q
N
Our
rules
for
limiting
debate
require
majority
of
the
city
council,
not
necessarily
those
present
or
quorum,
which
is
the
majority
of
the
council.
Q
Q
Okay,
then
you're
talking
about
five,
because,
according
to
this
sheet
majority
of
four,
let's
say
if
you
have
four
or
five,
so
it's
either
four
or
five,
because
you're
small,
if
you
were
a
larger
group,
the
quorum
required
is,
you
know,
is
a
larger
number.
This
is
an.
Q
Of
two
thirds
and
fourth
and
that's
the
only
card,
I
have
how
to
calculate
two-thirds
and
majority.
E
Our
body,
the
mayor,
is
considered
a
member
of
the
council,
and
so
maybe
it
would
make
sense
to
say
of
voting
members.
You
know
in
certain
cases,
because
with
him
it's
10
on
everything.
Q
The
majority
of
the
see
the
mayor
you
vote
in
case
of
a
tie.
Aren't
there
other
situations
where
you
are
allowed
to
vote
ordinances
and
so
forth?
Okay,
not
a
lot,
but
if
those
questions
were
to
come
up,
then
it
is
whatever
the
vote
is
required
for
that
particular
item.
Okay,
any
other!
Okay,
previous
question:
you
all
know
what
this
is
called.
You
know
what
you
call
it
most
frequently.
Q
I
call
the
question.
In
other
words,
you
call
for
the
question,
which
means
the
you
want
a
vote
on
the
motion
of
immediately
pending
which,
just
as
I
demonstrated
may
be
an
amendment
to
an
amendment.
So
when
you
call
the
question,
people
think
it's
on
any
motion.
That's
it's
on
the
main
motion.
No,
it
isn't.
If
you
have
a
secondary
amendment,
it
only
calls
a
question
on
the
secondary
amendment
or
a
primary
amendment.
Q
Q
Q
O
It
may
be
worth
mentioning
that
I
don't
just
in
terms
of
our
council
practice
that
we
haven't
exercised
this,
mr
mayor
in
in
most
meeting
settings
where
we'll
put
something
to
the
back,
but
I
think
it's
the
opposite.
Whereas
if
something
is
you
have
a
number
of
people
in
the
council
chambers
to
vote
on
whether
or
not
we
move
forward
with
a
pet
cemetery,
then
you
would,
or
someone
from
the
floor
would
ask
that
we
move
this
up.
We've
done
that
for
kids,
presentations,
etc.
Q
That's
the
reason
for
discussing
rules
and
basic
principles
before
I
started
on
the
motions
that
as
necessary
and
and
for
the
subject
matter,
you
say
a
lot
of
people
taking
time.
Then
the
chair
can
reorder
the
assembly
the
agenda
as
necessary
because
he
said
so
when
you
adopted
the
agenda,
the
agenda
is
adopted.
If
there's
no
objection,
the
chair
will
reorder
the
agenda
as
necessary.
Then
it's
necessary
if
he
doesn't
say
that,
then
somebody
have
to
offer
a
two-thirds
vote
to
reorder
the
agenda.
O
Can
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
because
I
think
our
past
practice
is
just
it's
more
of
a
courtesy,
so
I
don't
recall
if
we've
ever
voted
on
moving
things
up.
Q
P
P
We
have
done
that
I
thought
in
the
past-
and
I
know
you
just
mentioned
this-
I
got
confused
to
either
kill
it
or
deter
it,
not
necessarily
for
the
same
meeting
right
and
so
you're
saying
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
the
mayor
needs
to
say
this
was
tabled
now,
let's
bring
it
back
up,
and
that
is
not
what
we've
done
before.
Is
that
correct.
O
Can
I
add
something
because
I
know
where
she's
going?
I
think
the
key
point
in
this
is:
it
may
not
be
sending
something
to
the
bottom
of
an
agenda,
but
it's
excuse
me.
The
key
point
is
setting
something
in
the
bottom,
gender,
but
you
may
be,
and
if
you're
not
I'll,
stop,
I'm
more
curious
is
to
define
laying
something
on
the
table
versus
holding.
So
there's.
N
D
N
N
P
Q
Q
Maybe
you
got
a
speaker
who
has
to
catch
a
plane
or
somebody
is
going
to
be
late
being
here,
so
whatever
you're
discussing
is
laid
on
the
table
until
you
finish
this
out
of
courtesy
to
the
current
speaker
or
whatever,
then
toward
the
end,
so
you
don't
forget
because
you've
taken
care
of
other
business.
You
would
say
earlier
in
the
meeting
we
laid
on
the
table,
the
discussion
on
or
the
motion
two
and
you
go
back
to
it.
So.
Q
If,
if
it's
confusing,
then
now
you
know
what
to
do,
you
have
the
chart,
you
know,
and
this
little
book
I
told
you
about,
will
tell
you
about
it
right
that
you
put
it
aside
temporarily
to
take
something
else
up,
and
then
you
go
back
to
it
before
the
end
of
the
meeting
before,
because
you're
bound
to
forgive
it.
H
Our
rules
as
you've
stated
supersede
this
chart,
so
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
me
and
I'm
I
assume
to
many
others-
that
if
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
city
of
evansen
version
of
this
chart,.
Q
Anything
you
you,
you
have
but
corporation
council,
okay,
anything
that
you
may
be
confused
on,
discuss
it
with
your
counsel,
okay,
but
remember
as
long
as
you're,
not
breaking
a
law
or
violating
anybody's
rights.
You
can
do
what
you
want
to
do.
Okay,
these
are
just
the
guide
for
when
things
aren't
covered
or
unclear,.
A
D
E
I
just
want
to
note
I
I
do
think
that
there
is,
as
we
were,
discussing
a
conflation
between
laying
on
the
table
and
postponement
in
our
rules,
and
I
do
think
it
would
be,
as
alderman
fleming
suggested,
prudent
to
clear
up
that
conflation
between
language.
Q
Postponed
is
to
a
date
certain
move
to
postpone
the
next
meeting
or
at
a
committee
meeting
or
sometime
in
the
future
table
is
to
put
it
aside
for
this
moment,
postpone:
okay
reorder.
If
you
want
to
put
it
later
on
the
agenda,
then
you're
reordering
the
agenda.
That's
not
postponed.
Definitely
many
people,
as
I
said,
will
use
postponed
and
post
to
kill.
They
will
say
table
postpone
they
would
table
something
until
the
next
meeting.
Q
Okay,
but
again,
your
own
rules
supersede
as
long
as
you're,
not
breaking
any
laws,
and
you
know
that
better
than
I
do.
But
if
you
want
the
correct
definition
of
these,
then
maybe
you
need
to
look
at
them
and
decide.
Do
I
understand
table?
Do
I
understand
postpone?
Definitely
do
I
understand
postponed
indefinitely,
which
I
said
is
just
a
motion
to
kill,
because
you
notice
that
it's
right
above
the
main
motion
and
if
it's
killed
it
doesn't
go
anywhere.
A
Q
If
you
forget
to
bring
it
up,
and
nobody
else
remembers
that
we
table
something
and
if,
if
that
subject
was
important
to
somebody
at
that
time,
that
person
can
remind
that
it
was
tabled.
If
nobody
else
does,
then
you
should
be
aware
that
something
was
tabled
or
laid
on
the
table
earlier
in
the
meeting
and
if
there
you
know,
will
take
from
the
table.
Otherwise
it's
dead
for
that
meeting,
but
you
can
always
put
it
on
the
next
agenda.
Yeah
yeah.
Q
Q
O
Well,
crystal
clear,
I
mean
so
before
we
launch
our
well
we're
already
on
our
journey,
but
my
I
guess
my
point
is
to
nick
city
manager
and
also
the
members
of
the
council
is
while
we're
having
these
debates.
We
can
suck
up
a
lot
of
time
going
back
and
forth
just
on
the
rules
and
not
the
substance
of
what
we're
discussing,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
the
shortcut
is
or
excuse,
maybe
not
shortcut,
but
the
most
efficient
way
to
get
to
when
we
all
of
a
sudden
stop
debating
the
substance.
Q
Q
Okay,
yeah
with
your
own
rules,
because
you're
even
your
rules
and
in
other
cases
bylaws,
say
robert's
rules
of
order
shall
govern
the
business
of
this
meeting,
except
where
they
are
inconsistent.
With
these
rules-
and
I
have
to
I
I
just
a
month
ago,
I
did
a
zoom
meeting
with
an
organization
that
said
they
hadn't
read
that
line,
and
I
underlined
it
and
said,
but
it
says
where
they
are
inconsistent
because
they
thought
they
were
in
violation
of
robert's
rules.
Q
Q
Is
in
fact
that
issue?
If
that's
your
rule,
I
believe
that's
awesome.
Well
again,
don't
confuse
postpone,
definitely
with
table
they're,
two
separate
motions.
One
is
debatable:
one
isn't
right,
one
is
amendment
one,
isn't
it
there
is
yeah
but
again
follow
your
own
rules.
Now
any
other
questions
on
see
those
were
the
subsidiary
and
it
was
important
to
discuss
them
because
they
rank
as
we
go
up.
Okay,
if
not
we'll
go
along
to
privilege
motions
now
these
come
up.
Q
These
are
more
for
the
comfort
of
the
assembly
and
the
conduct
business
rather
than
a
hierarchy
of
motions,
so
privileged
motions.
The
first
is
call
for
the
orders
of
the
day.
I'll
make
this
really
brief.
All
that
means
is
somewhere.
You
got
off
the
agenda
and
all
you've
got
to
do
is
say,
mr
chairman
or
mr
mayor,
I
call
for
the
orders
of
the
day
that
tells
you
we
got
off
the
agenda,
get
back
to
it.
Q
That's
it
next
one
question
of
privilege:
well,
maybe
you
somebody's
sick
and
you
want
to
settle
flowers
or
somebody,
it's
your
birthday
and
they
want
to
sing
happy
birthday
to
you.
So
you
ask
a
question
of
privilege
and
no
second
is
required:
it's
not
the
middle,
not
amendable!
Q
Q
Recess
requires
a
second,
not
debatable.
It's
amendable
as
to
how
long
you
want
to
recess
five
minutes.
Ten
minutes
right
now
later
on
et
cetera
majority
vote.
You
can't
interrupt
the
speaker.
This
is
one
year
you
can't
now.
If
a
recess
is
already
built
in.
I
don't
think
you
have
to
worry
about
this,
but
maybe
somebody
will
feel
like.
I
think
we
need
a
five-minute
recess.
Q
If
you
feel
that
the
situation
is
so
hot
that
you
need
to
talk
to
your
folks
right
away,
you
can
have
you
don't
say
you
can
say
recess
but
robert's
term,
for
it
because
see
recess,
people
leave
the
room.
If
you
want
to
leave
the
room,
you
can
say
we'll
recess
for
five
minutes,
ten
minutes
and
then
council
members
would
you
come
here.
Q
I
want
to
talk
to
you,
but
if
something
comes
up
and
the
situation
is
getting
hot
and
heavy
and
people
just
need
to
lower
the
temperature
robert's
rules,
say
you
just
say:
stand
at
ease.
Stand
at
ease
means
you
just
stop.
Where
you
are,
you
don't
leave
the
room,
everybody
cool
down,
take
a
deep
breath
and
then
go
on
with
it,
but
the
term,
if
you
don't
want
them
to
leave
the
room,
is
the
assembly
will
start?
The
council
will
stand
at
ease,
otherwise
recess
people
can
leave,
but
you
can
still
tell
them.
Q
O
Q
Thank
you
for
sharing,
because
you
don't
know
about
that,
but
that's
what
we
mean.
This
is
why
we
change
robert's
certain
principles
every
10
years,
because
this
is
the
biggest
this
book
has
ever
been
because
the
last
you
know
what
all
this
deals
with
electronic
meetings,
because
we
had
to
add
electronic
meetings
because
that's
how
everybody's
meeting
I've
told
my
clients
who
are
incorporated
in
illinois,
don't
worry
about
your
bylaws,
because
unless
you're
by
law
say
specifically
that
you
cannot
meet
electronically,
then
you
can.
Q
O
Q
D
O
Q
Q
No
that
you
just
declare
we
will
stand
at
ease.
You
can
call
that
anytime,
you
feel
the
temperature
rising
so
to
speak,
in
other
words,
you're
the
peacekeeper
and
you're,
just
giving
everybody
a
chance
to
settle
down
and
stand
at
ease
is
usually
when
something
comes
up
or
if
I'm
sitting
next
to
you
say
as
a
parliamentarian
and
you
need
to
discuss
something
with
me,
you'll
say:
stand
at
ease.
I
need
to
consult
with
the
parliamentarian.
Q
C
C
Q
But
maybe
but
maybe
you're
not
discussing
council
business,
but
you
maybe
you
want
to
discuss
how
to
keep
this
crowd
quiet.
Is
that
you
what
the
council
business
is
whatever
you
say?
It
is
well
remember,
no
matter
what
I
say
as
long
as
you're,
not
breaking
a
law.
Your
rules
come
first
right.
I'm
just
saying
that
for
all
other
organizations
there
isn't
a
roberts
for
different
organizations,
you
have
to
decide
what
you
want
to
do
and
whether
or
not
this
fits
in
with
your
plan.
Yes,.
O
D
O
Right,
okay,
so
for
new
members
of
council,
that's
just
all
I'm!
What
I'm
stating
is
every
once
in
a
while.
If
I'm
having
a
conversation
with
with
councilman
nussma
and
there's
a
clear
misunderstanding,
I
can
come
to
you
and
say
this
is
not
what
I'm
trying
to
explain.
I'm
trying
to
explain
this
and
then
that
could
save
time
in
a
meeting.
So
often,
if
there's
one
word
or
a
phrase
that
throws
the
whole
meeting
off,
I
can
pull
it
back
together
with
just
a
one-off
conversation
with
you.
Q
Q
E
Very
quick
thing
I
just
I
wanted
to
say
something,
but
just
to
in
response
to
what
you
said
a
majority
of
a
quorum.
So
we
could
have
three
or
four
members.
Three,
I'm
sorry
alderman
win.
We
could
have
three
members
have
a
discussion
at
a
time
just
with
the.
E
But
my
question
was
raised
earlier
about
the
interpretation
of
the
rules.
I
think
there
might
have
been
some
confusion,
so
as
the
parliamentarian
or
the
corporation
council
or
whoever
the
council
designates
as
a
parliamentarian.
Ultimately,
the
chair
and
the
body
interpret
their
own
rules.
The
parliamentarian
provides
advice.
Q
You
can
take
it
or
leave
it
okay,
but
I'm
just
there.
You
know
what
I
hear
and
have
to
correct
people
on
like
in
congress.
The
parliamentary
the
parliamentarian
does
not
move
you're,
not
elected.
You
are
hired
help
okay,
you're
on
something
they
can
take
your
advice
or
not.
Take
it
most
of
the
time.
They
regret
not
making
it
right,
but
in
other
words
they
don't
have
to
go
along
with
anything.
I
say
because
I'm
there.
Q
Vote,
correct,
you'll,
see
a
motion
on
here
called
appeal:
yeah
yeah,
I'm
not
going
into
those
but
we'd
spend
two
days.
Certainly,
but
that's
when
you
don't
like
the
decision
of
the
chair,
you
can
move
to
appeal,
okay,
but
we're
not
going
into
that.
So
we're
on
adjourn.
I've
referred
to
this
already
required.
If
you
have
an
agenda
that
you
have
completed.
As
I
said,
the
we've
there's
no
more
business
to
come
before
this
the
assembly.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Q
You
don't
need
a
motion,
but
if
somebody
make
tries
to
make
one,
then
they
got
to
follow
it
through.
What
I
hear
most
frequently
and
it's
kind
of
funny
somebody
will
say:
can
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
yes,
second
and
everybody's
out
in
the
parking
lot,
if
you're
going
to
have
a
motion
to
adjourn,
follow
it
all
the
way
through?
But
if
you
don't
need
it,
don't
make
it
okay,
but
most
of
the
time
the
adjournment
is
built
into
the
agenda
now
the
next
one
fix
the
time
to
which
to
adjourn.
Q
So
you
move
to
fix
the
time
to
adjourn
this
meeting,
so
everything
isn't
going
over
until
the
next
month
or
the
next
meeting
so
you're
continuing
this
meeting
to
complete
the
agenda
that
you
had
for
this
meeting.
That's
why
this
is
the
highest
of
all
meetings
is
to
fix
the
time
to
adjourn
this
meeting.
Yes,.
Q
Q
Okay,
I
was
okay,
we
got
15
minutes,
I
well.
Apparently
they
have
a
lot
of
questions
so,
but
we
have
15
minutes
so
we
can
continue
I'll
go
through
the
rest,
but
in
other
words
this
is
the
last
of
the
motions
which
you
which
carry
most
of
the
discussion
and
that
we
need
to
address,
and
you
have,
I
decided
to
give
you
the
form,
so
you
can
keep
it
in
front
of
you.
So
you
know
what
is
debatable
amendable.
Q
O
Q
The
time
to
adjourn
and
the
chair
can
say
you
know-
we've
had
so
much
discussion
tonight
and
it's
really
important
that
the
chair
will
entertain
a
question.
A
motion
to
fix
the
time
to
adjourn
the
chair
doesn't
make
motions.
So
one
of
you
have
to
pick
up
that
clue
and
fix
the
time
to
adjourn
this
meeting.
Q
Okay
to
a
date
certain
which
is
before
the
next
meeting
direct
next
regular
meeting,
okay,
okay,
next
slide,
we
can
go
a
little
faster.
These
are
restorative
motions,
I'm
just
going
to
mention.
We
all
know
what
reconsider
is
you've
done
it
here:
okay,
you're,
bringing
back
something
that
you
maybe
voted
on
hastily
or
you've
got
new
information
and
you
bring
it
back
to
reconsider
the
vote.
Q
You
can't
do
it.
On
the
last
day
of
the
session
you've
been
in
the
state
legislature,
where
you
reconsider
and
empty
into
the
minutes,
which
means
that
it
is
and
it
usually
happens,
I've
been
a
lobbyist,
so
it
usually
happens
on
the
last
day
of
the
session,
which
means
that
if
something
is
reconsidered
and
enter
into
the
minutes,
it's
dead
for
that
legislative
session.
Q
Okay,
the
next
one
rescind
or
appeal.
Maybe
you
made
a
decision
at
this
meeting
that
at
the
next
meeting
you
have
no
more
information,
you
realize
it
wasn't
a
good
one,
but
if
you
notify
people
ahead
of
time,
it's
only
a
majority
vote
to
rescind
or
repeal
a
decision
that
was
previously
made.
If
it
comes
up
during
the
current
meeting,
it
requires
two-thirds.
Q
So
it
requires
debatable,
amendable
and
take
from
the
table.
I
think
we
have
run
that
one
into
the
ground.
You
put
something
on
the
table,
you
take
it
from
the
table.
I
was
at
a
parliamentary
conference
and
somebody
from
toastmasters
was
a
speaker
and
he
said
you
know.
Parliamentarians
and
presiding
officers
are
the
only
ones
that
can
take
something
from
the
table
and
put
it
on
the
floor
and
what
they
mean.
Is
we
talk
about
putting
food
on
the
floor?
We
were
at
a
banquet,
you
put
it
on
the
floor.
Q
Q
The
maker
of
the
motion
has
the
right
to
speak.
First,
okay,
after
it's
seconded
and
stated
by
the
chair,
you
speak
first.
No
member
may
speak
a
second
time
to
a
motion
until
every
member
who
wishes
to
has
spoken
once
to
that
motion
as
parliamentarian
some
groups,
I
know
well
enough
to
be
able
to
keep
a
list,
so
the
chair
knows
mary
has
spoken
or
doctor
someone's,
always
spoken
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
you've
spoken
twice
already.
You.
Q
Q
Okay,
all
remarks
must
be
limited
to
the
merits
of
the
motion
immediately
before
the
assembly.
This
is
why
I
concentrated
on
amendments
to
the
motion
because
was
immediately
before
the
assembly
may
be
the
secondary
amendment,
the
primary
amendment
or
the
motion
as
amended.
You
can't
go
off
into
something
else,
because
you
will
be
ruled
out
of
order.
Your
the
member
is
never
out
of
order.
The
comment
is
okay.
Q
The
merits
of
the
motion
immediately
before
the
assembly,
a
member
may
speak
no
more
than
twice
to
the
same
question.
On
the
same
day,
they
can
speak
twice
to
the
secondary
amendment,
twice
to
the
primary
amendment
twice
to
the
motion
as
amended,
etcetera
and
each
speech.
Usually
ten
minutes
is
what
robert
says,
but
most
often
it's
two
or
three
minutes,
because
you'll
be
there
well
after
midnight.
Q
Q
We'll
do
it
all
remarks
must
be
addressed
to
and
through
the
chair.
They're.
Only
talking
to
you,
mr
mayor,
not
to
you
know,
councilman
kelly
or
anybody
else.
Members
should
not
be
referred
to
by
name
councilman
this
that
ever
mr
mayor
et
cetera
a
member.
May
oh
here's
a
good
one.
A
member
may
speak
in
debate
and
close
by
offering
a
secondary
motion.
What
that
means
is
councilman
burns.
D
Q
Q
You
can
say
emotion:
a
member
may
not
speak
in
debate
and
end
by
offering
a
subsidiary
motion
such
as
call
the
question
you
either
debate
and
sit
down,
but
the
principle
in
parliamentary
procedure
and
in
roberts
is:
when
a
member
has
the
floor.
They
have
it
for
all
legitimate
reasons,
speaking
debating
voting,
etc.
So
unless
you
have
some
of
a
rule
that
said
that
they
may
not
speak
and
then
end
by
offering
a
motion
most
often
to
close
debate,
then
they
can
do
it.
So
I
would
think
about
the
word.
Q
Not
I
don't
know
whether
you
address
it
and
I
don't
think
I
saw
it
there
and
a
member
may
not
speak
against
your
emotion,
but
you
can
vote
against
it
now.
I
would
qualify
that
to
say
if
you
offered
a
motion
and
somebody
offered
an
amendment
that
you
don't
agree
with.
You
can
vote
against
that
amendment,
but
you
can't
put
forth
a
motion
and
then
turn
around
and
vote
against
it.
Okay,
questions,
yeah,.
A
This
is
something
I'm
pretty
sure
our
rules
are
silent
about,
but
our
practice
sometimes
contradicts
what
you
just
laid
out,
which
is
that
it
is
occurs
as
a
sort
of
like
normal
and
human
that
the
comments
from
members
are
effectively
questions
for
the
maker
of
the
motion.
A
Who
then
winds
up
answering
questions
more
than
and
therefore
speaking,
more
than
twice
are
you
suggesting
that
that's
an
that
would
be
out
of
order?
Yeah.
Q
Because,
if
a
member
who
makes
the
motion
afterwards,
second
that
he's
stated
by
the
chair,
the
motion
before
you
is
when
the
maker
of
the
motion
was
to
speak
to
the
motion,
say
everything
you
have
to
say
at
that
time
to
have
people
vote
for
or
against
it,
so
that
people
aren't
asking.
Do
you
mean
this,
and
do
you
mean
that
which
can
waste
time
so,
in
other
words,
be
prepared
with
your
speech
supporting
the
motion
that
you're
offering.
E
Yes
well,
the
way
I
would
think
of
it,
and
maybe
correct
me
if
this
interpretation
is
wrong,
is
that
you
know
if
we
have
five
minutes
or
ten
minutes
what
we
do
with
our
time
is
our
time,
and
so,
if
we
ask
a
question
of
another
member,
that's
considered
a
part
of
our
five
to
ten
yeah
part
of
our
time
and
not
necessarily
just
like
with
congress.
If
you're
questioning
someone
who's
in
the
audience,
that's
part
of
your
time.
E
Q
Q
Q
G
Q
Q
That's
what
I'm
saying
if,
if
you
have
questions
rather
than
leaving
my
phone
number
and
answering
questions
when
I
may
be
offered
another
client
I'd
rather
answer
them
today
and
then,
if
anybody
you're
free
to
you
know,
call
on
me
at
any
time,
because
it's
something
I
brought
up.
But
if
we
run
five
or
ten
minutes
over
you
know
I
need
to
shut
up
when
you
tell
me
to.
But
if
you
have
questions,
I
don't
want
to
kind
of
cut
you
off
in
the
middle
of
it.
The.
N
Q
My
experience
has
been
people
if
they
know
you're
going
to
start
late,
they'll
come
late
if
they
know
you're
going
to
start
on
time,
even
if
you
don't
have
a
quorum,
but
one
is
expected
because
of
traffic
or
weather
talk
about
items
that
don't
require
action
like
voting
on
on
them
and
next
time
they'll
be
on
time
because
they
know
you're
going
to
start
without
them,
so
don't
get
in
the
habit
of
starting
late.
Yes,.
C
Go
ahead,
I
that
was
our
practice
until
about
two
or
three
years
ago,
when
I
believe
that
there
was
a
attorney
general
opinion
issued
that,
for
instance,
if
we
didn't
quite
have
a
quorum,
we
would
discuss
other
matters
at
a
discussion
yeah
right.
But
then
then
our
legal
department
explained
to
us
that
there
was
some
new
opinion
from
the
attorney
general.
I
believe
that
said
we
could
do
no
business.
We
could
not
even
call
the
meeting
to
order
a
court,
and
so
we
had
to
stop
doing
that
and
maybe.
Q
C
Q
N
So
my
understanding
of
the
open
meetings
act,
the
mayor
calls
meeting
order
and
there's
a
roll
call
and
if
there's
a
roll
call
and
there's
not
a
quorum
present,
then
according
to
what
councilmember
wynn
just
talked
about
with
the
pack,
which
I'm
not
aware
of
that
ruling,
you
can't.
O
O
N
O
Q
Because
you
have
the
attorney
general
and
then
you
have
the
parliamentary
opinion
as
long
as
you're
not
voting
on
something
which
can
be
challenged
or
declared
null
and
void.
Then
talk
about
anything
else,
but
as
long
as
you're
not
voting
on
anything,
especially
if
you're
expecting
the
quorum.
But
what
I
told
the
last
client
I
dealt
with
that
dealt
with
what.
If
we
don't.
I
said
why,
don't
you
send
out
a
meeting
notice
ahead
of
time
and
have
them
give
them
a
deadline
for
responding?
Q
Okay:
okay,
at
the
end
of
that,
that's
when
you
make
the
decision
to
continue
okay,
this
will
go
fast
review
and
approve
the
agenda.
We've
covered
that,
after
the
call
and
before
the
first
item
of
business,
so
that's
I.
I
have
addressed
that
under
agenda
exercise,
authority
of
attack
and
discretion
refer
to
yourself,
the
mayor
or
the
chair,
whatever
not
by
first
name
vote
only
in
the
case
of
a
tie.
This
is
for
the
presider
or
if
the
vote
is
by
ballot,
if
the
vote
is
by
ballot
again
follow
your
own
rules.
Q
If
it's
something,
and
if
somebody
moves
to
vote
on
an
item
by
ballot,
you
can
do
that.
Otherwise,
it's
a
voice!
Vote.
Okay,
if
I
were
a
member
of
this
council
or
a
voting
member
who's,
not
of
the
council.
Even
if
I
was
a
parliamentarian,
if
I'm
a
member,
I
could
vote
my
ballot
because
I've
done
it
next
and
don't
remain
impartial,
refrain
from
entering
debate
on
emotion,
you
shouldn't.
Q
Q
Okay,
just
showing-
and
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
folks
this
year-
public
officials
stand
when
presiding.
You
may
be
seated
during
the
presentation
clarify
the
business.
This
is
why
I
said
after
every
motion
before
the
vote
you
are
now
voting
on.
Promotion
has
amended
the
motion.
Whatever
tell
people
where
they
are
clarify
the
business
explain.
The
meeting
of
call
for
the
question,
which
means
debate
has
ended.
There's
no
more
debate
on
this
and
so
moved
is
not
a
motion
I
handed
someone
earlier.
Q
Didn't
I
give
you
the
motion
form
hold
it
up,
because
I
said
so
moved
is
not
emotion.
If
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion,
then
have
them
state
the
motion
in
full.
What
I
often
hear
is
somebody
makes
a
suggestion.
You
say:
would
you
put
that
in
form
of
motion
somebody
says
so
move
so
move
what
we
don't
even
know.
What
you're
talking
about.
Q
Q
Okay,
next,
I
think
it's
the
next
our
last
one
go
ahead
next
slide
and
always
alternate
when
you're,
when
people
want
to
speak
alternate
between
the
pros
and
cons
so
that
it's
not
always
the
pros
speaking
and
not
the
cons,
etc.
Expedite
business,
you
have
a
consent
calendar
because
I
mentioned
that
and
that
you
know
I'm
not
even
going
to
bring
that
up.
You
know
what
to
do
with
that
refer
matter
to
a
committee.
Q
We
already
discussed
that
when
you
want
to
and
using
general
consent,
the
general
consent
is,
if
there's
no
objection
the
minute's
approved.
If
there's
no
objection
we'll
do
this,
if
there's
no
objection
we'll
do
that,
saves
time
and
clarify
what's
being
voted
on
again,
you
can't
repeat
the
motion
before
the
assembly,
often
enough,
because
in
all
their
comments
and
so
forth,
they
forget
what
they're
voting
on.
So
you
got
to
remind
them.
Okay
and
just
remembering,
take
a
proper
vote.
Q
Okay,
so
the
nose
that's
nasal,
it's
always
louder
and
when
presiding
over
a
large
group,
most
groups
now
are
using
the
little
click.
You
know
the
electronic
okay
and
go
on
there's
only
nine
of
you,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
Remember
that
the
group
is
made
up
of
people.
There
are
three
types:
people
who
want
to
accomplish
the
agenda.
Other
people
who
want
to
socialize
they're.
Only
nine
of
you
didn't
come
here
to
socialize
you're
here
to
conduct
the
business
of
your
wars
in
the
city
and
then
the
power
seekers.
Q
Most
of
those.
That's
why
I
said:
please
don't
record
this
session,
because
most
of
the
power
seekers
are
the
folks
who
come
here
with
something
to
say
that
aren't
on
the
council.
Okay,
this
is
where
most
of
the
comments
come
from,
so
they
get
personal
power,
social
power,
etc.
But
just
remember
that
the
audience
is
made
up
of
a
group
of
people
who
may
not
have
the
same
objective
and
goals
as
you
do
next.
Q
A
G
F
Thank
you,
mayor
biss.
I
was
just
going
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
our
committee
structure,
so
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
this,
but
this
is
really
handy
in
terms
of
just
breaking
out
how
things
get
to
a
city
council
agenda.
So
every
two
weeks
when
the
city
council
meets
the
order
of
business,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
when
joan
was
talking
about
the
order
of
our
our
operations,
our
city
council
rules,
say
special
orders
are
first
on
the
agenda
and
then
the
consent
agenda.
F
Well,
the
consent
agenda
gets
created
because
everything
comes
out
of
a
committee,
so
everything
that
we
do
goes
to
a
committee.
Once
it's
been
through
a
committee,
then
it
comes
to
the
city
council
agenda.
The
only
exception
to
that
is,
of
course,
the
special
order
of
business
and
special
order.
Businesses
are
typically
the
budget
and
occasionally
cdbg
items
is
meant
to
be
a
somewhat
rare
thing.
Sometimes
it's
affordable
housing
related.
F
All
land
use
related
human
services
is
anything
related
to
police,
health,
social
services
and
youth
rules.
Committee
is
obviously
our
city
council
rules
and
how
we
govern
during
our
meetings,
and
then
we
have
economic
development,
which
is
any
grants
that
we
might
be
giving
out
special
service
areas
downtown
evanston,
so
anything
that
is
typically
in
those
categories
will
go
to
those
committees
and
then
we'll
flow
up
to
the
city
council.
F
All
right,
so
we
have
a
software
that
we
use.
That
creates
the
massive
agenda
that
you
get
every
couple
of
weeks
and
our
schedule,
for
that
is
that
we
put
items
into
the
agenda.
The
staff
enters
the
memo,
any
additional
attachments
resolutions,
ordinances,
any
kind
of
packet
information,
those
all
get
entered
into
the
software
by
staff
and
the
due
date,
for
that
is
the
monday
before
the
meeting.
F
So
all
items
for
the
meeting
on
the
24th
will
be
due
this
coming
monday,
and
then
that
gives
us
a
couple
of
days
to
you
know,
review
the
entire
document
and
make
sure
that
nothing
is
missing.
That
everything's
been
vetted,
that
we
have
our
mwev
memos,
like
all
of
those
different
things
that
go
into
making
this
packet.
F
It
gives
us
a
couple
of
days
to
review
everything
before
our
goal
is
to
post
the
agenda
on
wednesdays.
Usually
it
ends
up
being
thursdays
most
of
the
time.
That's
because
we're
still
running
our
ap
process,
our
checks
that
we're
going
to
accounts
payable
any
checks
we're
going
to
mail
out
to
vendors.
So
we
try
to
try
to
make
our
best
effort
to
get
our
packets
out
on
wednesday,
but
it's
typically
thursday.
F
Things
are
going
very
badly
if
it's
friday,
so
I
will
always
notify
the
council
if
our
packet
isn't
going
to
make
it
out
on
thursday,
because
that
is
the
expectation
that
we've
set
for
everybody,
but,
like
I
said
it's
a
it's
a
best
effort
to
make
wednesday
it's
typically
thursday,
and
we
really
don't
want
it
to
be
friday
next
slide.
Please.
F
F
And
how
does
your
item
go
down
to
agenda
is
one
of
two
ways:
either
you're
the
chair
of
the
committee
and
you
add
it
to
the
agenda
working
with
the
staff
liaison
to
your
committee.
So
if
you're
chair
of
you
know
economic
development
and
you
have
something
that
you
want
on
the
agenda-
you're
working
with
the
chair
of
that
committee
to
add
that
item
to
the
agenda
and
when
you
do
this,
I
would
ask
that
you
just
be
mindful
of
staff's
time
and
they're
already
working
on
agenda
items.
F
Not
just
for
this
committee,
potentially
other
committees
as
well
and
everybody's,
trying
to
make
sure
that
there's
adequate
time
to
research
things
and
to
get
them
on
the
agenda
with
a
a
reasonable,
reasonable
amount
of
time.
So
when
we
try
not
to
add
things
to
an
agenda
at
the
last
minute,
unless
it's
there's
a
huge
sense
of
urgency
or
some
other
reason
that
makes
it
necessary.
O
I've
seen
just
in
the
past
where
someone
is
working
directly
with
a
staff
person
on
a
specific
topic,
and
your
expectation
is
because
I'll
use
economic
development
because
that's
that's
happened
a
number
of
times
that,
in
addition
to
your
work
with
the
staff,
you
also
have
to
notify
the
chair.
If
you
ask
it
on
so,
just
having
that
conversation
with
the
staff
person
doesn't
automatically
mean
that
something
is
going
to
come
on.
A
committee
agenda
unless
you're
speaking
directly
to
the
chair
simultaneously.
F
Thank
you
for
adding
that.
I
appreciate
it.
Yes,
and
what
we're
also
constantly
monitoring
is
how
many
items
are
on
agendas,
because
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
run
the
matings
efficiently
that
there's
sufficient
time
for
everything
to
get
properly
vetted
and
that
you
know
we
have
an
idea
in
mind
of
what's
coming
in
the
agenda
down
the
road
for
like
the
next
couple
of
months
and
we're
trying
to
be
mindful
of
making
sure
that
there's
adequate
time
to
discuss
all
of
the
various
things
that
will
come
before
you
and
that's
you
know.
F
H
So
for
a
council
member
to
get
something
on
a
committee
chair
and
a
committee
agenda,
the
council
member
would
speak
with
the
with
the
committee
chair
and
then
the
committee
chair
is
not
the
one
with
the
word
document.
H
O
If
I
can
respond
to
that,
so
I'm
just,
I
think
you
see
it
or
I've
seen
it
more
with
human
services,
I
mean
with
apnw
a
lot
of
the
just.
The
structure
of
the
committee
agenda
is
pretty
standard
and
I'd
say
a
large
percent
of
that
is
staff
driven
because
it's
tied
into
contracts
and
things
that
are
time
sensitive,
but
human
services.
O
Things
come
up
with
your.
I
see
it
more
with
our
residents
and
situations
with
the
police
or
other
soft
social
work
issues
where
you
would
invite
an
agency
to
speak
at
a
certain
time.
Well,
if
you
haven't
spoken
to
the
chair
and
you've
only
talked
to
the
staff
for
that
agency,
then
it
makes
it
difficult
for
someone
to
come
up
during
public
comment
and
get
the
proper
time
that
they
deserve
right,
because
it's
a
non-agenda
item.
H
O
Staff
right
right,
because
if
I
will
use
human
services
council
member
burns,
may
have
a
specific
issue
that
he
wants
and
those
so
does
councilman
feed.
It
could
be
the
same
thing
kelly,
so
you're
listening
to
all
three
and
you're
trying
to
prioritize
it.
Along
with
the
information
that's
coming.
O
O
C
And
there
are
items
that
are
long
in
process
at
a
committee
level,
and
so
the
chairmanship
chair
of
personship
may
change,
but
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
necessarily
change
where
that
item
is
in
the
trajectory
of
getting
to
the
committee
or
get
coming
getting
to
the
point
where
the
committee
will
vote
on
it.
There
may
be
a
lot
of
discussion
at
the
committee
over
a
number
of
meetings
and
then
something
will
have
been
produced
by
the
staff
that
will
to
be
acted
on.
A
Councilman
is
your:
is
your
question
on
this
topic
as
well?
Yeah
go
ahead.
E
I'm
curious
manager
sterling.
How
do
you
and
staff
determine
kind
of
the
hierarchy
of
what's
gonna
be
worked
on,
so
if
there's
a
reference
made
to
a
committee
or
or
a
you
know,
special
order
of
businesses
placed
how
do
you
rank
what
you
work
on?
First.
F
But
usually
if
a
referral
is
made
at
a
call.
The
words
we'll
follow
up
with
the
council
member
later
in
the
week
and
and
try
to
get
more
information
about
it
and
then
we'll
look
at
what's
in
the
queue
and
the
for
the
coming
up
agendas
and
see
where
we
can
fit
it
in
and
then
we're
talking
and
having
a
conversation
back
with
the
person
who
made
the
referral
to
say,
hey,
you
know
this
month's
human
services
agenda
is
really
packed.
Do
you
mind
if
we
put
this
on
the
next
month?
F
And
if
you
say
yes,
then
that's
the
way.
We
do
it.
If
you
say
you
know
what
this
is
super
timely
and
relevant,
like
I
really
feel
like
we
got
to
try
to
move
it
up
I'll,
say:
oh
I'll,
see
what
I
can
do
and
see.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can
rebalance
the
workload
among
the
staff.
So
that's
that's
generally
how
it
works.
E
So
if,
if
council
took
a,
you
know
action
and
play
something
on
the
agenda
as
a
special
order
of
business
that
presumably
because
we
took
a
legislative
action
to
do
that,
that
would
I
think,
prioritize
that,
amongst
you
know
everything
else.
If
the
council
voted
as
a
legislative
body
and
said
hey,
we
want
this
on
the
agenda.
You.
D
E
F
If
the
council
votes
to
put
a
special
business
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
agenda,
you're
absolutely
right,
we
have
to
be
like
we
have
to
put
forth
the
effort
to
put
that
on,
and
so
that
means
other
things
might
get
dropped
off,
and
so
there's
not
enough
because
there's
only
like.
I
said
four
days
if
it
comes.
F
You
know
analysis
done
to
put
that
on
the
agenda,
but
once
if
there's
you
know,
if
we
don't
feel
100
great
about
how
much
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
in
those
four
days
before
that
monday
deadline
before
to
get
the
the
packet
and
stuff
in
you
know,
there
may
be
a
staff
recommendation
accompanying
it.
That
says,
you
know,
staff
recommends.
We
refer
this
to
committee
or
staff
staff
didn't
have
enough
time
to
fully
vet
it.
O
Councilmember
braithwaite,
thank
you
and
so
there's
a
report
that
you
will
all
receive
on
a
on
a
weekly
basis.
It's
the
city
managers
report.
So
I
think
I
mean
I
don't
know
where
we'll
end
up
with
that
particular
recommendation
clerk
that
councilman
reid
made,
but
for
future
items
I
I
think
respectfully
and
if
they're
city-wide
and
not
like
war
specific
or
something
that
has
a
history.
O
O
Sometimes
when
you
receive
a
packet-
and
I
think
for
many
of
us,
if
you're
working
during
the
day,
you
don't
open
that
thing
up
until,
like
maybe
friday,
do
a
cursory
read
on
saturday
and
then
you're
doing
a
power
read
on
sunday
monday.
It's
just
it's
not
enough
time
to
be
prepared
to
really
engage
in
the
in
in
the
deep
and
heavy
issues,
and
so
eric
I
have
another.
Are
we
still
doing
newsy
items
for
city
council?
Is
there
a
mechanism
that
we've
been?
O
Can
we
possibly
bring
that
back,
particularly
for
our
new
members,
so
we've
done
this
in
the
past
again
everybody's
going
to
be
busy
responding
to
your
residence
working,
your
personal
life.
Typically,
what
we'll
get
is
some
type
of
ping
that
says
these
are
the
newsie
items
like
this
is
a
hot
issue
that
you
may
want
to
pay
attention
to,
and
that
can
be
an
issue
coming
from
any
of
our
individual
awards
or
citywide.
It's
always
helpful
to
know
like
hey.
You
may
want
to
pay
attention
to
this
specific
issue.
O
That's
coming
up
on
a
monday
night's
agenda.
I
think
the
last
thing
or
the
probably
the
most
embarrassing
thing
that
I've
had
happen
to
me
is
I'm
trying
to
argue
an
issue,
and
I
haven't
taken
the
time
to
read
it
in
the
packet
and
so
again
it
takes
up
a
lot
of
time
that
we're
educating,
council
members
when
we've
had
that
issue
or
when
we
have
the
details
of
the
discussion
that
are
in
the
packet.
So
that's
if
we
can
do
that
moving
forward.
O
A
I
have
a
question
as
well
on
this,
so
it's
clear
that
we're
saying
that
and
let's
talk
about
committee
because
that's
what's
on
the
screen
committee
agendas
are
populated
in
two
ways.
One
is
by
referral
and
one
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair.
A
So
the
chair
has
incoming
information,
which
is
referrals
have
been
made
by
council
members
that
automatically
wind
up
on
the
committee
agenda,
though
it
sounds
like
with
some
discretion
regarding
when
staff
is
providing
feedback
and
input
regarding
their
capacity
and
prioritization
advice,
and
then
various
people,
including
perhaps
the
chair
themselves,
is
like
hey
here's,
a
thing
that
I'd
like
to
see
on
the
agenda
and
there's
a
lot
of
tugging
and
pulling
of
different
priorities
that
have
to
be
balanced.
Are
there
any
limitations
on
the
chair's
power
to
determine
how
to
resolve
all
that?
A
A
Thanks
so
let's
go
council
member
when
first
and
revel
second.
C
Well,
I
I
think
the
if
there
is
a
limitation,
it's
it's
given
by
the
staff
to
say
we
just
don't,
have
the
ability
to
get
everything
done.
That's
on
there
I
mean
I
I
view
the
chairmanship
is
not
like
a
chairmanship
in
in
congress
because
we
rotate
so
it
everyone
takes
a
turn
being
the
chair
because
it
would
be,
it
would
just
be
too
much
work
to
actually
not
to
to
have
to
take
it
on
and
do
it
all
the
time.
So
it's
like
everyone
has
a
turn.
C
So
it's
it's
kind
of
self-policing
in
the
sense
that
I
think
it's
it's
the
funnel
that
other
aldermen
can
come
and
talk
to
you
by,
but
that
funnel
changes.
You
know
every
six
months
so
and
mostly
it's
you
know
discussing
with
the
staff.
Okay,
how
will
the
meeting
run
does
so
and
so
know
that
they
have
10
minutes?
They
can
make
a
presentation.
C
What's
you
know,
does
this?
Do
we
know
anything
more?
What
what
other
information
is
necessary?
Have
you
talked
to
this
particular
council
member
who
about
what
else
they
might
want
to
have
at
that
meeting?
So
it's
it's!
The
chair
is
the
organizer,
but
not
I
I
would
not
describe
the
chair
as
the
the
control
valve
on
what
gets
on.
I
mean
what
the
control
aspect
is.
It
is
what's
the
staff
capable
of
doing.
A
Great,
how
much
because
we
have
so
now
councilmember
bracelet's,
going
to
go
after
councilmember,
reveal
how
much
more
of
this
presentation
is
there
erica
this.
A
So
councilmember
revell
and
then
braithwaite
and
then
I'm
going
to
call
it
so
that
the
corporation
council
has
time
to
give
his
presentation.
And
we
also
have
time
to
call
the
words
before
one
which
actually
is
impossible.
But
we're
gonna
do
our
best.
M
Well,
I
was
just
gonna
mention
that
there
are,
of
course,
other
really
big
items
that
come
to
a
committee
agenda.
I'm
thinking
particularly
planning
and
development,
because
anything
that
comes
from
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or
the
plan
commission
comes
to
that
agenda
and
that
you
know
that
can
derail
all
kinds
of
plans
and
human
services
has
certain
things
that
come
to
that
agenda
just
as
a
routine
matter
and
then
and
ampw,
of
course,
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff.
So
anyway,.
A
Great
point:
councilman.
O
I
think
we're
beating
this
thing
to
death,
but
the
other
piece
to
remember
is
what
happens
in
the
committee,
particularly
in
ap.
W
and
p
d
has
a
trickle
down
effect
to
city
council,
and
so
I
don't
make
good
decisions
after
12
o'clock
midnight
and
I
think
we'll
learn
as
things
progress
and
I
think
we'll
speak
and
communicate
to
each
other,
especially
as
you
start
adding
items
that
it's
just
something
that
we're
going
to
learn
how
to
balance
very
effectively
with
the
assistance
of
our
staff.
N
Is
there
a
second
point
of
information,
mr
mayor,
I
know
that
we're
supposed
to
wrap
up
according
to
the
agenda
by
one,
but
the
it
looks
like
it
says,
130.
at
the
very
top
of
the
agenda.
A
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Do
you
mind
if
I
do
the
presentation
from
here,
because
I'm
also
working
the
tech.
N
All
righty
good
afternoon,
everyone
nicholas
cummings
corporation
council
for
the
city
of
evanston,
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
law
department,
followed
by
a
brief
overview
of
important
city
council
rules.
N
First,
covering
the
law
department.
The
law
department
is
the
primary
legal
advisor
to
you
all,
each
of
the
departments,
the
boards
and
commissions.
We
represent
the
city
in
litigation,
whether
it
be
we
are
suing
someone
or
defending
the
city.
We
handle
land
acquisition,
disposition
and
assessments,
assessments
being
evanston
has
this
process
by
which,
for
example,
everyone
gets
their
alley.
Redone
that
usually
recall
requires
an
assessment
of
the
the
people
that
share
that
alley.
N
The
the
department
represents
the
city
as
a
legal
entity;
it
does
not
provide
legal
services
to
employees,
individuals
or
businesses
and
there's
a
budget
of
approximately
half
a
million
dollars,
most
of
which
is
salary
and
benefits
the
primary
responsibility.
The
law
department
is
to
the
corporation.
N
Here
is
the
staff,
as
of
now
miss
friedland
is
a
part-time
attorney.
She
just
notified
us
that
she
will
be
leaving
at
the
end
of
the
month,
so
you're
going
to
have
myself
attorney
brian
george
and
attorney
alexandra
ruggy.
Our
paralegal
is
keena
robinson
and
administrative
leaders
lillian
thomas.
I
would
just
ask
that
you
make
me
your
primary
contact,
although
brian
and
kena
deal
with
liquor,
licensing
and
we'll
have
lots
of
interaction
with
you,
particularly
mayor
biss,
as
the
head
of
liquor.
N
N
I
ask
that
you
not
necessarily
contact
the
staff
directly
unless,
of
course,
there's
a
specific
project
that
they
are
assigned
and
working
on
you
with
working
with
you
on,
I
should
say
some
basic
legal
principles.
This
the
city
council,
does
legislative
functions
only,
and
this
is
according
to
your
own
rules.
It
sets
policy
for
the
city,
which
is
members
of
the
community.
N
It
approves
payment
of
all
expenses
and
there
are
one
there's
one
major
adjudicative
function,
which
is
disciplining
its
own
members.
The
city
manager
does
executive
function,
functions
which
is
policy
for
the
city
in
terms
of
the
employees
of
the
corporation,
and
there
are
immunities
council.
Members
are
entitled
to
immunity
when
engaged
in
the
lawful
business
of
the
council.
So
all
of
your
votes
here,
regardless
of
if
they
end
up
ending
in
discriminate
discrimination,
are
immune
from
action.
There's
also
immunities
covered
by
the
local
governmental
and
toward
a
governmental
employee
toward
immunity
act.
N
I
forgot
a
word
there
and
there's.
Lastly,
qualified
immunity
for
every
public
employee
engaged
in
their
job.
In
order
to
preserve
these
immunities,
it's
important
that
you
follow
advice
of
counsel.
I
will
reiterate
that
I
am,
and
I
think
it
came
up
earlier-
I'm
merely
an
advisor
it's
up
to
you.
If
you
want
to
take
my
advice,
however,
there
may
be
consequences
to
not
following
that
advice
and
if
the
advice
is
not
followed,
it
creates
a
conflict
with
our
office
and
will
result
in
outside
counsel
being
brought
in
to
to
represent.
N
Some
of
the
things
that
you
might
be
asked
as
council
members,
how
do
members
of
the
community
file
a
property
damage
claim
against
the
city,
so
the
law
department
website
has
a
link
which
allows
you
to
which
allows
members
of
the
community
to
file
a
claim
with
the
city
that
claim
is
investigated
by
our
office
or
our
third
party
administrator
and
a
determination
of
liability
is
made
and
we
make
an
offer
of
settlement
to
resolve
the
claim
or
it's
outright
denied
for
one
reason
or
another.
N
N
O
A
couple
of
comments
nick
welcome
to
the
new
position,
and
I
think
we're
fortunate
to
have
you
and
in
the
past
I've
a
couple
of
things
that
I've
seen
with
the
legal
department
anytime.
You
have
a
big
idea.
Major,
it's
always
nice
to
I
think
nick
is
very
good
about
picking
up.
You
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
ask
him
anything,
and
I
think
that
having
you
has
been
much
better
than
we've
had
in
the
past,
at
least
my
experience.
O
So
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
have
a
question
whether
it's
from
a
resident-
and
you
don't
know,
don't
respond
until
you've
least
picked
up
the
phone
and
contacted
somebody
by
legal.
Someone
will
literally
take
the
words
that
you
say
and
it
can
be
later
on
used
against
the
corporation
as
we
represent
our
residents,
we're
also
responsible
to
the
our
corporation.
So
keep
that
in
mind
so
me
telling
someone.
Yes,
you
can
put
that
fence
there
without
running
it
through
will
have
consequences
me
telling
someone.
O
N
N
Each
of
you
is
a
fiduciary
of
this
of
the
city,
so
you
have
to
balance
those
responsibilities
and
I
certainly
understand
that
a
lot
of
times
in
the
conversations
I
had
with
the
members
of
the
last
council
that
discussion
centered
around
those
conflicts
but
as
mayor
bis
pointed
out,
I
want
to
say
at
your
at
the
your
very
very
first
meeting
when
you
act
as
the
council.
That's
the
city
taking
action.
The
city
can't
act
without
the
council.
N
So
that's
why
it's
imperative
that
you
understand
that
you
have
both
the
responsibility
to
those
who
elected
you,
as
well
as
the
corporation,
when
every
decision
that
you
make
there
any
other
questions
to
the
law
about
the
law
about
the
law
department
before
we
go
to
the
council
rules
all
right
city
council
rules.
So
it
came
up
a
lot
in
the
parliamentary
procedure
portion.
So
I'm
gonna
highlight
as
many
of
them
as
possible.
There
are
28
city
council
rules,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
them.
N
I'm
going
to
go
through
ones,
you're
going
to
deal
with
most
likely
they
take
the
city.
Council
rules
take
precedence
over
robert's
rules.
The
rule
number
two
talks
about
the
agenda
in
order
of
council
meetings
is
actually
in
your
rules.
How
the
agenda
goes
so.
You've
already
set
the
agenda,
but
it's
up
to
the
mayor
to
determine
the
priority
of
business,
so
I
believe
typically,
our
our
agenda
has
consent
agenda
for
apw
and
pnd.
N
If
the
mayor
decides
that
pnd
is
going
to
go
first
instead
of
apw,
that's
within
the
mayor's
purview
according
to
the
rules,
it's
also
up
to
the
rate,
the
mayor
to
run
and
control.
The
meeting
make
sure
that
there's
order
kept
the
city
and
manager
is
what
can
is
who
controls?
What
goes
on
to
the
agenda
for
official
council
action?
That's
also
in
your
rules.
N
We
talked
about
closed
session
earlier.
Only
topics
specified
in
the
vote
can
be
discussed
or
considered.
I
should
say
in
closed
session.
You
cannot
take
any
final
action
on
anything
in
closed
session,
so
no
no
votes
on
anything
can
happen
in
closed
session
and
anything
discussed
in
closed
session
must
be
kept
in
strict
confidence
by
those
in
attendance.
N
You've
been
we've
discussed
committees,
the
the
rules
outline
the
committees,
and
it
should
be
noted
that
the
city
council
rules
apply
to
city
council.
They
do
not
apply
to
the
committees
except
for
enumerated.
Okay,
so
in
your
city
council
rules
there
is
there
talks
about
what
a
quorum
of
the
committee
is.
That's
literally
the
only
rule
in
the
city
council
rules
that
applies
to
the
committees.
So
it's
up
to
the
committees.
Once
you
are
assigned
that
each
committee
needs
to
formulate
its
own
rules
and
I
would
highly
recommend
those
get
written.
N
I
believe
zba
and
the
plan
commission
have
written
rules
that
are
published
online,
but
absent
any
rules.
We
learned
today
you're
going
to
go
by
robert's
rules
of
order.
Okay,
the
conduct
of
members
is
controlled
by
rule
number.
Ten
again,
the
mayor
controls
the
meeting
and
any
council
member
who
fails
comply
with
the
rules
or
a
code
of
ethics
during
a
meeting
may
be
censured
or
expelled
by
the
council.
That
goes
back
to
what
we
talked
about:
the
ability
of
the
city
council
to
discipline
its
members.
N
Questions
of
privilege
are
limited
to
cases
where
the
members,
integrity,
character
or
motives
are
sailed,
questioned
or
impugned.
So
we
learned
today
in
the
parliamentary
procedure.
You
can
raise
a
question
of
privilege.
According
to
your
rules,
the
only
questions
of
privilege
that
you
can
raise
are
these
here,
rule
11,
conflict
of
interest
and
abstentions,
to
votes.
N
N
I'm
always
going
to
advise
you
if
it
appears
to
be
a
conflict,
I'm
going
to
advise
you
to
abstain,
and
that's
because,
as
I've
learned
since
I've
been
here,
you
have
very
interested
community
members
and
they
will
bring
you
before
whatever
body
controls,
ethics
and
even
if
the
conduct
was
unethical
in
order
to
protect
the
corporation
and
you
it's
best
to
stay
away
from
any
behavior
that
even
looks
like
it
might
violate
the
code
of
ethics
or
at
least
looks
like
it's
a
conflict.
N
The
rules
guarding
debate
on
an
issue
debate
on
the
same
topic
is
limited
to
five
minutes
per
council
member,
except
by
consent
of
the
majority
and
consent
is
assumed
that
there
is
no
objection
by
any
council
member
or
the
mayor.
So
we
learned
during
parliamentary
procedure
that
silence
can
be
consent.
So
this
is
the
rule.
N
If
somebody
goes
over
five
minutes
and
there's
no
objection,
then
it's
assumed
that
you're,
okay
with
them
going
over
five
minutes,
and
we
already
know
that
no
council
member
may
speak
on
the
same
subject
until
everyone
has
that
opportunity
to
speak
at
least
once.
A
N
Think
the
assumption
is
that
it's
total
limited
by
five
minutes,
but
again,
if
there's
silence
by
the
majority,
it
can
go
on,
and
so
you,
as
the
chair
of
the
body,
get
to
limit
that
or
enforce
this
provision.
I
should
say
I
think
rule
13
is
redundant.
But
again
the
mayor
controls
the
meeting
and
any
council
member
who
fails
to
comply
with
the
rules
may
be
censored
or
expelled
by
the
council.
N
Here
are
some
motions
that
are
enumerated
in
the
rules.
They
may
be
a
little
different
than
robert's
rules,
which
is
why
they
are
spelled
out
differently.
Motions
must
be
seconded
all
ordinances
and
authorizations
to
spend
money
require
a
whirl
call
vote
and
majority
five.
So
although
there
may
be
places
in
the
rules,
as
was
pointed
out
by
the
parliamentarian,
where
it's
a
majority
of
the
quorum,
this
rule
specifically
says
we
can't
spend
money
without
five
votes
period.
N
O
N
My
in
my
short
time
here,
meetings
have
just
been
held
until
we
get
a
quorum
yeah
so
that
that
rule
is
there,
though,
to
protect
the
rights
of
the
majority.
You
can't
do
certain
things
without
a
majority.
N
The
motion,
the
table,
any
matter
is
not
debatable,
requires
a
majority
of
the
council
members
present
in
order
to
adopt
it,
and
then
it
must
be
tabled
to
a
date
certain
you
guys
discussed
this
earlier
instead
of
being
table,
it
probably
should
be
to
postpone,
but
that
is
what
the
what
the
rule
is
according
like,
as
of
now
is
to
any
motion.
A
table
is
not
debatable,
but
requires
the
majority
of
the
council
members
present
council
member
newsman.
H
N
So
it's
this
is
where
the
distinction
comes
between,
tabling
and
holding
so
and
and
we'll
talk
about
this
very
very
shortly.
You
cannot
hold
an
item
past
one
meeting,
but
you
can
table
it,
and
this
has
actually
happened
since
I've
been
here,
you
can
table
it
to
a
future
meeting.
It
comes
up
at
that
meeting.
It's
still
not
ready.
N
You
can
table
it
again,
there's
no
rule
in
in
your
rules
that
limits
the
amount
of
time
that
you
can
the
number
of
times
that
you
can
postpone
or
table
a
matter,
but
there
is
a
rule
according
to
the
rules
where
you
can't
hold
a
matter
beyond
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
does
that
answer
your
question?
Yes,
thank
you.
A
motion
to
call
the
question
requires
an
affirmative
vote
of
two-thirds.
N
It
talks
about
special
orders
of
business,
which
we
went
over
several
times,
and
I
I
added
this
rule
because
I
messed
it
up
before
in
the
last
council.
Any
item
other
than
a
special
order
business
me
held
over
until
the
next
regular
council
meeting
at
the
request
of
two
members.
No
vote
is
required
to
hold.
A
vote
is
required
to
overrule
that
hold
okay,
but
a
special
order
of
business
cannot
be
held.
N
That's
that's
really
the
point
that-
and
I
I
you
know,
messed
this
up
before
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
got
it
right
this
time
you
can't
hold
a
special
order
business
to
the
next
meeting.
N
Ordinances
in
evanston
require
two
readings,
so
no
ordinance
may
be
adopted
in
the
same
meetings
introduced,
absent
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules
that
is
approved
unanimously
by
the
council,
so
any
ordinance
and-
and
this
sort
of
goes
to
items
being
placed
on
the
agenda
and
again
this
is
just
my
advice.
N
Unless
an
item
is
on
the
agenda
for
legislative
action,
which
is
a
resolution
or
an
ordinance
for
introduction
or
action.
It's
for
discussion,
because
the
body
can
only
take
action,
meaning
voting
on
a
resolution
or
voting
on
an
ordinance
if
it's
an
ordinance,
it
must
be
introduced
at
one
meeting
and
then
action
taken
on
the
next
meeting.
N
Ordinances
require
a
majority
five
votes
unless
otherwise
specified,
which
is
rule
26
and
we'll
get
to
that
shortly,
but
again,
ordinances
according
to
your
own
rules,
require
five
votes.
It
cannot
be
a
majority
of
the
quorum.
Mr
amirbis.
A
N
So
what
happens
is
we
are
told
by
a
member
of
the
council,
or
the
city
manager
asks
if
it
can
be
done
at
the
same
meeting,
and
so
what
we'll
do
to
the
agendas
will
say:
councilmember
x,
requests.
This
item,
be,
you
know,
for
introduction
in
action
a
lot
of
times
that
happens
for
things
like
increasing
liquor
licenses
or
something
of
that
nature
or
putting
in
new
stop
signs.
N
At
that
point,
the
council
is
aware,
and
the
public
is
aware,
because
the
agenda's
been
published-
that
instead
of
two
readings,
this
one
will
be
a
single
reading,
at
which
point
the
motion
will
be
made
to
suspend
rule
20.1
to
allow
for
that
item
to
be
introduced
and
acted
upon
at
the
same
meeting
and.
I
N
Any
other
questions
about
rule
20
25,
I
know
it
says
25.
I
think
it's
actually
20.
Maybe
it
is
25.
It's
not
26..
It's
rule
25.
These
are
extraordinary
votes.
These
are
votes
that
require
more
than
a
majority
in
order
to
pass
three
quarters
of
the
council
members,
then
holding
office.
N
So
that's
seven
votes,
vacation
of
streets
and
alleys
passage
of
a
map
amendment
when
30
percent
of
the
property
owners
within
500
feet
of
the
boundary
of
an
area
to
be
amended
file,
a
written
protest
with
the
city
clerk
passage
of
a
unique
use
when
thirty
percent
of
the
property
owners
within
one
thousand
feet
file
a
written
process
with
the
city
clerk
or
to
amend
the
budget,
two-thirds
of
the
council,
members,
elected
and
holding
office,
so
six
votes
and
and
this
can
get
complicated
in
the
event
that
someone
vacates
and
we
haven't
appointed
a
replacement,
but
just
keep
in
mind
six
votes
for
the
sale
and
lease
of
real
property
purchase
of
goods
and
services
over
twenty
thousand
passes
of
an
ordinance
over
the
veto
of
the
mayor.
N
And
it's
interesting.
I
believe
your
rules
talk
about
the
veto,
the
mayor
being
refusal
to
sign
the
ordinance.
So
it's
not
like
a
technical
mechanism
where
he
can
make
his
veto
known
at
the
meeting.
If
you
pass
an
ordinance
five
to
four,
he
refuses
to
sign
it.
It'll
come
back
on
the
agenda
because
he
refused
to
sign
it
as
vetoed,
and
then
you
have
to
take
action
to
override
that
veto
by
two-thirds
vote.
O
N
So,
according
to
state
law,
the
clerk's
signature
is
not
necessary
for
it
to
be
passed,
it's
only
necessary
for
it
to
be
evidence
of
of
action.
So
without
the
mayor's
signature
it
doesn't
it's
not
fully
enacted.
N
Okay,
I
have
a
an
asterisk
by
overrule
the
liquor,
commissioner
and
rejection
of
an
application
as
well
as
passage
of
modification
of
a
site
development.
These
are
technically
administrative
bodies,
so
their
actions
is
their
actions
are
not
appealable
for
like
a
better
way
to
describe
it
by
to
city
council
or
any
of
its
committees.
N
So
if
someone
has
their
liquor
liquor
application
rejected,
it
should
go
to
the
circuit
court
of
county
instead
of
city
council,
but
right
now
it
still
goes
to
city
council
and
that's
something
that
I
hope
to
work
on
with
my
department
and
with
your
cooperation
to
amend
the
city
code
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
all
of
this
correctly,
two-thirds
of
the
council
members
present
temporary
suspension
of
any
rule
except
two
point
or
twenty
point.
One.
N
A
roll
call
vote
on
a
motion
to
call
the
question
a
motion
to
overrule
the
request
of
two
council
members
to
hold
a
matter,
a
motion
to
reconsider,
made
in
the
same
meeting
in
which
an
original
vote
was
taken
and
expulsion
of
a
council
member
for
the
remainder
of
the
council
meeting.
So
again,
that's
two.
It's
two-thirds
of
the
council
members
present
at
the
meeting.
N
That's
when
those
are
the
only
items
that
require
that
three-quarters
of
the
corporate
authorities,
which
is
defined
as
the
mayor
and
city
council,
is
to
appoint
or
remove
the
city
manager
and
unanimous
votes
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
for
an
ordinance
introduced
at
a
meeting
to
be
enacted
at
the
same
meeting.
N
Once
again,
there
are
28
rules.
This
is
just
those
that
are
most
likely
to
come
up.
Most
often,
I
am
always
available
to
discuss
the
rules
with
you.
If
you
have
a
question,
as
pointed
out,
it's
really
the
it's
going
to
be
the
mayor
as
the
chair
of
the
meeting
to
ultimately
make
make
a
decision
in
terms
of
the
interpretation
of
the
rules.
My
mind
is
just
advice,
so
thank
you.
A
E
Corporation
council
comings
would
you
mind
talking
if
you
are
prepared
to
a
bit
about,
because
I
think
this
is
something
that
I've
seen
miss
in
the
rules
committees,
particularly
how
committee
chairs
are
appointed?
Who
has
the
authority
to
appoint
committee
chairs.
N
So
committee
shares
are
selected
within
the
rules
committee
itself.
I'm
trying
to
find
my
here.
We
go
it's
in
under
rule
nine,
which
talks
about
the
committees,
but
the
the
rules
committee
determines
who
chairs,
which
committees
the
and
how
that
rotation
plays
out.
That's
determined
by
the
members,
the
this
body.
Each
of
them
are
members
of
the
rules
committee.
So
you
guys
make
that
decision
for.
N
I'm
sorry,
the
rules
haven't
been
updated,
so
council
members,
I'm
sorry
special
committees
of
council
members
and
citizens
of
the
city
shall
be
appointed
by
council
members
by
the
council,
the
rules
committee
or
by
the
mayor
special
committees
appointed
by
the
mayor,
which
I
did
not
go
over,
that
particular
rule.
But
there
is
a
section
under
rule
number
five
that
talks
about
the
mayoral
appointments.
N
Special
committees
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
the
advice
and
consent
of
city
council
can
be
composed
entirely
of
committee
members
and
I
believe
the
committee
member,
the
committee
itself,
is
required
to
select
their
chair
and
the
next,
except,
as
provided
in
rule
5.7.
The
chairs
of
those
special
committees
shall
be
appointed
by
the
mayor
with
the
advising
incentive
city
council.
N
A
Any
further
questions
for
the
corporation
council.
Thank
you
very
much
for
an
extremely
helpful
presentation,
and
now
we
go
to
call
of
awards.
Council,
member
kelly.
L
Okay,
great
so
with
somewhere
around
the
corner
and
in
the
spirit
of
promoting
economic
development
in
any
and
every
way
possible.
Downtown
I'd
like
to
refer
to
human
services
committee,
to
consider
amending
our
code
to
create
a
variance
process
to
allow
dogs
at
outdoor
at
the
outdoor
dining
establishments
that
are
interested.
L
A
Thank
you
point
of
order
before
we
go
on
to
council
member
braithwaite.
Is
this
meeting
being
recorded.
N
It's
my
understanding
it's
being
broadcast,
I
don't
know
if
it's
being
recorded.
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
sorry.
A
Great
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
perfect
so
then
great
council,
member
bracelet.
O
O
A
Great
suggestion,
thank
you.
Councilmember
councilmember.
C
A
Thank
you,
council
member
nusmo,.
H
A
You
councilwoman
burns.
R
Yeah
first
have
a
fifth
ward
meeting
wednesday.
May
19th
7
p.m.
You
can.
The
the
link
is
provided
on
the
the
city's
website
on
the
calendar
and
then
also
wanted
to
make
a
few
referrals.
R
I
think
these
are
jurisdiction,
referrals
to
the
rules
committee,
but
one
is
to
take
a
look
at
potentially
consolidating
our
committees,
repurposing
them
crediting,
bylaws
and
possibly
eliminating
committees.
I
want
to
make
some
referrals
to
create
new
committees,
but
I
think
the
the
first
work
is
to
look
at
consolidating
repurposing
et
cetera.
I.
A
R
R
Again,
I
think
this
is
jurisdictional
rules,
but
wanna
take
a
look
at
when
we
how
we
allow
well
how
long
we
allow
people
to
keep
properties
boarded
up
and
the
ex,
in
the
exceptions
and
exemptions.
To
that
again,
I
think
that's
a
jurisdiction
of
rules.
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
committee
works
on
that,
not
to
again
jurisdiction
rules,
non-idot
truck
routes.
I
want
to
look
at
kind
of
how
those
are
established
and
if
we
need
to
determine
new
truck
routes,
but
specifically
ones
that.
R
And
and
then
this
one
again,
I
don't
know
where
this
goes,
but
as
far
to
my
knowledge,
we
don't
have
a
healthy
work
environment
complaint
process.
We
have
a
one
pager
with
not
a
lot
of
words
on
it.
So
again
I
don't
know
if
that's
I'm
sorry
yeah,
so
that's
another
councilmember
reed
is
saying
apnw,
but
again,
I'm
just
not
quite
sure
where
these
go.
So
is
that
rules.
F
I
would
just
add
I
forgot
to
mention
this
when
I
was
going
over
referrals
earlier,
it's
not
necessary
to
define
what
committee
your
referral
goes
to.
In
fact,
sometimes
it's
just
easier.
If
you
make
the
referral
about
what
you
want,
the
referral
to
be,
and
then
staff
will
decide
what
committee
it
goes
to
so
we'll
we'll
work
on
that.
E
Yes,
I
want
to
announce
and
work
with
staff.
I
plan
on
having
our
first
eighth
ward
ward
meeting
on
saturday
may
22nd
at
2
30
p.m
for
residents,
so
we
will
have
that
virtually
by
zoom,
so
we'll
work
with
staff
to
get
the
newsletter
out
and
invite
eighth
waters
to
that
and
folks
across
the
city.
E
E
I
do
not
think
that
the
city
manager
as
the
city
manager,
should
have
the
unilateral
authority
to
place
an
item
as
a
special
order
of
business
with
which
would
limit
the
rights
of
members
to
vote
or
hold
an
item.
So
I
think
that
should
be
something
that
is
left
only
to
the
legislative
branch,
which
would
be
the
the
mayor
and
the
council.
I
think
the
mayor
potentially
can
retain
that
authority
to
to
unilaterally
do
that.
I
think
that
makes
sense.
E
I'd
like
to
add
also
for
the
rules
of
reference
for
creating
a
new,
as
as
council
cummings
noted,
our
rules
do
delineate
the
orders
of
business
and
we
do
not
have
a
section
for
new
business,
and
I
think
we
should
add
that
so
the
city
manager
does
have
a
route
where
they
can
add
items
that
they
see
appropriate
for
consideration
of
the
council
without
limiting
the
rights
of
the
members
to
hold
that
item.
So
I
think
we
should
add
a
section
for
new
business,
so
the
city
manager
has
that
authority.
E
I'd
also
like
to
make
reference
that
we
appoint
our
clerk
as
parliamentarian
and
that
we
provide
the
necessary
and
adequate
funding
and
training
for
the
clerk
to
to
get
trained
as
a
parliamentarian
and
then.
Lastly,
I
would
like
to
make
a
reference
to
amend
rule
12.1
to
allow
for
10
minutes
of
debate
per
motion,
which
is
more
in
line
with
robert
tools
of
order.
I
think
you
know
limiting
members
to
only
five
minutes
and
then
just
any
member
can
cut
you
off
by
saying
point
of
order.
E
I
think
that's
not
enough
time
to
have
a
real,
thorough
debate.
So
I
make
that
reference
as
well.
That
ends
my
report.
Thank
you.
A
Great
thank
you.
Well,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
presenters
staff
and
external
for
a
really
helpful
morning.
I
know
I
learned
a
lot
thanks
everyone
for
their
time,
looking
forward
to
next
saturday
and
seeing
no
further
business
before
us.
The
city
council
stands.