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B
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E
A
Council,
member
reid,
moves
to
suspension
the
rules
to
allow
for
remote
participation,
council
member
new
smith
seconds
with
the
clerk
call
the
roll.
A
On
an
eight
to
zero
vote,
the
rules,
the
the
rules
are
suspended
to
allow
for
remote
participation
before
we
proceed.
One
item
of
housekeeping
there
is
a
large
sign.
That's
been
posted
in
the
back
of
the
room.
That
sign
is
not
in
compliance
with
our
council
rules
as
an
editorial
matter.
I
would
personally
be
supportive
of
an
amendment
to
that
rule.
A
I
think
it's
a
little
draconian,
but
I
would
say
that
I'm
perfectly
content
to
allow
this
sign
to
stay
up
to
today,
but
we've
had,
I
think,
really
constructive
discussion
at
recent
meetings
of
the
rules
committee
about
the
importance
of
everybody
complying
with
the
rules
and
so
going
forward
after
this
one
time,
I'll
I'll
be
continuing
to
enforce
the
rules
as
they
are
on
the
books
regarding
science
and
everything
else,
did
you
have
something
councilmember.
D
A
Excellent.
Thank
you
for
that.
The
first
item
of
our
agenda
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
proposed
five-fifths
tip.
A
The
proposed
five-fifth
tip
district
will
serve
the
fifth
ward
and
is
generally
bound
by
the
by
the
canal
and
leonard
place
to
the
north
dewey
to
the
west
emerson
to
the
south
and
bridge
to
the
east.
The
purpose
of
this
public
hearing
is
to
hear
from
any
interested
person
or
affected
taxing
district.
Regarding
the
proposed
plan,
the
designation
of
the
tif
district
and
the
adoption
of
tif
financing.
The
city
council
shall
hear
all
comments
from
the
public
at
the
hearing.
A
F
Thank
you,
robert
slicky,
with
kay
mckenna
and
we're
pleased
to
be
here
again.
We've
worked
with
the
city
on
seven
of
its
last
tips
and
I
think
I'm
gonna
ask
my
colleague
nina
kochla
to
prepare
or
go
over
an
overview
that
we
prepared
regarding
the
plan,
and
this
same
overview
was
reviewed
with
the
joint
review
board,
which
consisted
of
the
affected
taxing
districts
several
weeks
ago,
and
if
I
may
ask
paul
selmazek,
is
it
possible
to
do
a
screen
share
paul
asked
this
presentation.
G
F
H
So
again,
this
is
a
public
hearing
to
get
public
input
on
the
proposed
five
fists
tax
increment
finance
district.
This
is
part
of
a
series
of
public
presentations
that
we've
had.
H
H
It's
historically
been
the
home
to
evanston's,
african-american,
business
and
residential
community
since
the
late
1800s,
the
area
is
characterized
by
several
commercial
corridors,
including
church
street
emerson,
street
simpson,
street
and
green
bay
road,
as
well
as
residential
neighborhoods,
composed
of
single
family
homes,
two
flats
and
apartment
buildings
occupied
by
lower
and
middle
income
householders.
H
Following
that,
the
in
terms
of
why
this
area
is
important
to
the
city,
the
city
is
landlocked
and
has
very
limited
opportunities
for
new
development
on
vacant
land.
So
the
city
continues
to
focus
its
attention
on
areas
that
can
be
redeveloped
to
enhance
the
local
tax
base
and
provide
revenues
to
the
community.
H
Again,
like
I
said,
the
this
area
has
historically
been
the
center
of
african-american
commerce
and
the
home
of
evanston's
african-american
residents.
The
rpa
has
often
been
overlooked
by
market-driven
new
development.
H
The
city's
comprehensive
plan
provides
for
development
within
low
and
moderate-income
neighborhoods,
especially
evans
west
side,
as
a
priority
for
public
and
private
investment
to
enhance
the
investments
of
current
residents.
So
the
the
proposition
of
this
tif
is
based
partly
on
that
stated
objective
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
You'll
see
the
boundaries
on
this
map.
Everything
in
red
is
an
outline
of
the
proposed
tif
district.
H
This
is
a
map
of
the
proposed
land
uses
for
the
tif
district.
You
can
see
that
it's
got
commercial
residential,
open
space.
H
Steps
that
we
have
to
go
through
and
the
city
has
to
go
through
as
part
of
complying
with
the
statutory
requirements
of
the
state's
tif
act.
So
it's
quite
a
lengthy
adoption
process.
You
can
see
that
we've
been
through
a
lot
of
it
since
march
22nd,
when
the
city
council
first
adopted
the
public
meeting
resolution
that
was
a,
but
that
was
a
resolution
that
set
the
table
for
establishing
a
public
meeting
to
hear
from
local
residents
and
taxing
districts.
H
Subsequent
to
that
that
same
week,
the
city
published
a
notice
in
in
the
newspaper,
letting
people
know
that
if
anybody
was
interested
in
this,
they
could
register
with
the
city
to
maintain
a
flow
of
information
to
them.
Regarding
this
entire
process
on
march,
23rd
notices
of
the
public
meeting
were
sent
to
all
the
residential
addresses
within
the
proposed
tif,
as
well
as
to
any
parties
that
had
registered
as
interested
parties
pursuant
to
that
notice
of
march
22nd,
as
well
as
to
taxing
districts.
H
On
april
15th,
the
city
held
a
public
meeting
on
april
29th,
the
plan
the
redevelopment
plan
was
put
on
file
with
the
city
clerk
and
also
put
on
the
city's
website
for
public
inspections,
so
that
anybody
who
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
that
it
was
available
to
them
to
do
that
on
may
10th.
Then
the
city
council
adopted
another
resolution
setting
a
jrb
meeting,
a
joint
review
board
meeting
and
a
public
hearing.
H
The
joint
review
board
meeting
is
a
board
comprised
of
representatives
from
the
various
taxing
districts
who
have
taxing
jurisdiction
within
the
proposed
tif
and
then
a
public
hearing
was
a
resolution
was
also
adopted
on
may
10th
and
that
public
hearing
is
where
we
are
at
this
evening
on
may
11th
the
public.
The
notice
of
public
hearing,
was
also
sent
to
residential
addresses
within
750
feet
outside
of
the
proposed
tif
district
to
give
those
who
live
within
close
proximity
of
the
proposed
boundaries,
an
opportunity
to
have
input,
and
that
was
also
sent
to
taxing
districts.
H
The
joint
review
board
meeting
was
held
on
june
1st,
I'm
sorry.
It
was
held
on
june
3rd.
The
note
a
physical
notice
of
the
joint
review
board
meeting
was
posted
at
city
hall
48
hours
prior
to
that.
H
That
recommendation
gets
forwarded
to
the
city
council
and
then
the
week
of
june
21st.
Not
too
long
ago,
the
city
published
notice
of
public
hearing
twice
in
a
local
newspaper
to
let
people
know
as
another
means
of
letting
people
know
that
this
public
hearing
was
occurring
tonight
and
then
on
june
28th.
The
notice
of
public
hearing.
This
public
hearing
was
also
sent
to
all
the
taxpayers
within
the
tif
district
and
all
the
residential
addresses
within
the
tif
district.
G
This
is
coppola
miss
copos,
it's
paul,
zalmazak
yeah.
Our
agenda
indicates
that
there
was
a
report
of
the
joint
review
board.
Do
we
need
to
do?
We
need
to
address
that
now
on
the
on
the
mayor's
agenda,
or
do
we
continue
with
this
part
of
your
presentation.
H
This
next
slide
is
just
to
give
a
little
background.
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
success
story
as
to
the
previous,
some
of
the
previous
tips
that
the
city
has
implemented
and
have
have
actually
closed
terminated
because
they've
expired.
We
there
are
four
tiffs
on
this
slide.
Tiff
one
tif
two
to
three
to
four.
H
You
can
see
that
the
oldest
one
was
terminated
in
2009
at
the
bottom
there
and
then
going
up
washington
national
tif4
was
terminated
in
2018
the
next
column.
Cumulative
incremental
tax
revenues
explains
the
amount
of
tax
revenues
that
were
generated
by
the
establishment
of
each
of
these
tips
over
their
23-year
term.
H
The
base
equalized
assessed
value
and
the
final
equalized
assessed
value
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
amount
of
real
estate
value
that
grew
between
the
time.
The
tif
was
first
established
and
then
23
years
later,
so
that
last
column
is
the
net
growth
from
when
the
tif
was
established.
To
the
time
that
it
was
terminated,
and
you
can
see
that
the
eav
growth
was
in
the
multi-millions.
H
G
All
right
right
so
nina
on
the
agenda
that
was
that
was
planned
for
item
five.
So
if
we
can
take
care
of
mayor's
items,
three
and
four
then
I'll.
Take
on
the
next
step,
then
item
five.
If
that
that
works,
so
I'm
gonna
stop
the
share
for
a
moment
and
hand
it
back
to
mayor
biss.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
so
I
would
like
to
invite
paul
zelmazak,
as
chair
of
the
five
fifths,
tiff
joint
reviewed
board,
to
provide
the
report
of
the
joint
review
board
meeting
held
on
june
3rd
2021.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
pleasure,
to
be
with
you
all
this
evening,
including
members
of
the
council
and
clerk
mendoza.
I
hope
to
be
in
person
next
time
I
wanted
to
just
on
for
item
number
three.
The
joint
review
board,
as
miss
coppola
mentioned,
had
met
on
june
3rd
and
unanimously
passed
this
recommendation
to
move
forward
to
the
public
hearing.
G
That's
really
the
extent
of
the
report
in
attendance
were
district,
202,
65
and
cook
county.
I
do
not
recall
if
the
if
oakland
community
college
was
present
I'd
like
to
know
from
our
consultants.
If
that
were
the
case,
we
also
had
a
robust
discussion
with
all
the
public.
We
had
good
attendance
from
the
public,
including
our
public
member,
who
was
also
supportive,
so
that
is
essentially
the
report
in
december,
when
the
jrb
meets
to
review
the
annual
reports.
G
We'll
have
the
minutes
posted
from
this
particular
jrp.
So
that's
the
end
of
my
report
for
item
number
three
on
the
agenda.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
introduction
of
written
comments,
clerk
mendoza.
Are
there
any
written
comments
from
the
public
to
be
submitted
to
the
city
council.
B
A
Thank
you.
Now
we
come
to
item
five
on
the
agenda,
tiff
overview
and
summary
of
the
tiff
plan
that
I
think
there
was
an
allusion
to
some
of
the
content
from
item
two
borrowing
from
this
section.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
invite
paul
zelmazak
from
our
now
wearing
his
hat,
his
from
the
person
representing
our
economic
development
division,
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
proposed
five
fifth
tif
district
paul.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Please,
let
me
know
if
you
do
see
about
five
images,
including
one
of
heckey's.
G
Yes,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
So
what
I
wanted
to
share
here
is
some
some
guiding
image,
imagery
kind
of
why
why
staff
and
kind
of
the
the
previous
leadership
and
members
of
the
community
at
the
time
we
kind
of
put
this
together
just
thinking
about
what
we've
experienced
as
a
community
as
a
nation
really
for
a
long
time,
but
really
sparked
by
the
energy
of
what?
G
What
I'll
call
the
the
the
2020
civil
rights
movement
last
summer,
coinciding
with
a
pandemic
and
just
highlighting
the
needs
of
our
community
really
highlighting
here,
the
black
church,
the
the
the
murals
we
have
in
our
community,
then
representing
our
our
black
community
members,
the
black
business
consortium,
which
is
a
group
that
the
city
supports
the
small
annual
contribution,
but
it
represents
kind
of
a
borderless
black
led
business
community.
G
The
point
here
is:
is
that
we're
really
using
this
proposed
tax
increment
finance
district
in
a
way
that
I
would
argue,
has
not
been
definitely
hasn't
been
focused
in
evanston,
but
I
would
argue,
even
in
the
entire
chicago
area
earlier,
this
coppola
showed
you
a
map.
I
could
go
back
to
that
just
briefly,
because
I
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things:
I'm
going
to
use
the
let's.
Let's
go
with
this
one,
sorry
to
make
you
dizzy,
so
the
red
boundary
is
generally
the
boundary
we're
talking
about.
G
It
does
include
the
civic
center
site.
The
civic
center
site
is
one
very
large
parcel
that
includes
ingram
park.
I
will
stress
that
ingram
park
will
not
be
included
in
any
conversation
about
tiff
development
and
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that
shortly.
It
goes
south
to
the
former
national
towel
site.
I'll,
explain
that
in
a
moment
includes
several
of
the
business
districts,
including
the
emerson
emerson,
asbury,
location,
simpson,
ashland,
and
then
this
this
green
bay
road
corridor
as
well
and
also
notice.
G
Let
me
get
up
to
the
current
slide,
so,
for
example,
what
I
wanted.
What
I
want
to
highlight
in
this
slide
are
is
is
an
opportunity.
This
is
an
opportunity,
that's
in
the
existing
tip
by
drawing
the
boundary
to
abut
the
existing
tiff.
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
perhaps
finally
fund
some
of
the
affordable
housing
redevelopment
initiatives
that
that
really
have
been
outlined
going
as
far
back
as
the
2006
west
side
plan.
But
this
is
the
this
this
vacant
piece
here.
G
This
kind
of
crescent
shape
is
the
vacant
mayfair
right-of-way
used
to
be
a
rail
line
and
there's
some
opportunities
here
for
infill
development
and
there's
also
opportunity
along
green
bay,
road
for
supplemental
development,
pointing
out
the
business
districts
I
had
mentioned
previously.
You've
got
the
green
bay
road
emerson,
asbury
kind
of
corridor,
as
well
as
the
dewey
and
simpson
corridor,
pointing
out
a
couple
of
potential
public
infrastructure
projects,
including
fleetwood,
joe
ordain.
Are
there
opportunities
to
expand
it
or
improve
it?
G
G
G
What
or
how
can
we
help
make
this
particular
facility,
something
I'm
pointing
out
family
focus?
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
but
the
former
foster
school
building,
it's
in
need
of
renovation.
Could
it
could
this,
be
you
know
I'm
imagining?
Could
it
be
a
future
preschool
or
could
we
just
keep
it,
as
is
as
the
as
kind
of
a
non-profit
incubator
of
sorts?
G
Also
included-
is
the
civic
center.
You
know
there
is
a
conversation
started
amongst
the
city
council,
at
least
under
the
previous
council,
and
staff,
is
working
on
a
number
of
initiatives.
Let
me
go
back.
I
got
triggered
your
finger
there
to
work
with
the
consultant
to
kind
of
better
understand
what
the
potential
of
this
property
is,
and
if
we
assume
that
over
the
next
23
years,
something
will
happen
to
this
property.
G
I'm
not
saying
it'll
happen
tomorrow
or
the
day
that
this
tif
is
hopefully
approved,
but
if
we
imagine
that
over
the
next
23
years,
that's
what's
five
or
five
and
a
half
city
councils
that
somebody
will
make
a
decision
to
to
proceed
in
some
way
with
this
building
thing
and
if
it
goes
private
sector,
the
amount
of
equalized
assessed
value
that
this
property
could
create,
really
helped
fund
the
the
renovations
and
redevelopment
west
of
green
green
bay.
Road,
which
is
really
what
the
focus
of
this
tip
is
again.
G
I
want
to
stress
that
ingram
park
is
not
ever
going
to
be
planned,
not
from.
Let
me
say
it.
This
way,
staff
is
never
going
to
recommend
redeveloping
an
ingrown
park
with
residential.
It
appears
in
a
previous
map
because
it's
a
very
large
parcel.
This
entire
screen
right
here
is
one
person.
So
when
we
highlighted
the
map
for
inclusion
into
the
boundary,
it
just
included
everything
on
this
picture.
G
But
what
we're
talking
about
and
we're
going
to
make
sure
to
focus
on
this
in
the
final
plan,
is
to
not
include
ingram
park
or
the
new,
this
new
garden
at
leonard
place
and
ridge.
Those
those
would
not
be
developable
we're
talking
about
the
rest
of
the
site.
H
Mckenna,
okay,
so
the
next
part,
two
of
the
slide
presentation
talks
about
the
qualification
factors.
What
is
it
about
the
area
that
qualifies
this
to
potentially
be
a
tif
district
under
the
state
statute?
H
There
are
several
criteria
that
we
have
to
consider.
First,
is
that
the
area
has
to
contain
at
least
100
at
least
one
and
a
half
acres.
We
have
well
more
than
that
with
280
contiguous
tax
parcels.
H
The
plan
also
has
to
conform
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
so
that
the
contents
of
the
tif
plan
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
objectives
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
As
I
pointed
out
earlier,
that
is
the
case.
H
H
H
Finally,
the
eligibility
factors
are
consistent
with
the
proposed
redevelopment
activities
contained
in
the
redevelopment
plan,
as
well
as
in
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
So
going
back
to
the
13
qualifying
factors
under
the
state
statute.
Here's
a
list
of
the
13
that
are
in
the
tiff
act.
The
ones
that
are
highlighted
in
bold
are
the
qualifying
factors
that
keen
mckenna
found
in
this
particular
tif
district
obsolescence
deterioration,
inadequate
utilities,
excessive
lot
coverage,
lack
of
community
planning
and
lagging
eav.
H
H
This
next
section
of
the
presentation
talks
about
the
key
elements
of
the
tif
plan.
The
main
goals
and
objectives
of
this
particular
redevelopment
plan
are
affordable.
Housing,
housing,
repairs,
infrastructure,
public
improvements,
park,
improvements,
improvements
of
the
sorts
of
facilities
that
paul
pointed
out
earlier,
fleetwood,
jourdain,
family
focus,
as
well
as
improvements
to
the
business
district
areas.
H
The
plan
contains
proposed
land
uses,
in
this
case
commercial
light,
industrial,
residential,
mixed
use,
institutional
and
recreational
uses.
The
plan
also
contains
a
budget.
You
can
see
the
budget
numbers
89
million
250
thousand
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
that
budget
number
is
intended
to
cover
the
entire
23
years
of
the
tif.
H
So
that's
intended
to
cover
any
activities
that
could
be
implemented
over
those
23
years.
The
plan
the
act
requires
that
that
budget
amount
cannot
change.
However,
various
line
items
within
the
budget
can
change
the
only
way
to
change.
The
total
budget
is
to
have
an
amendment
process
to
amend
the
plan,
to
accommodate
an
amended
budget
and,
as
noted
in
this
slide
too,
that
the
budget
number
just
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
the
city
has
to
stun
that
all
of
that
also
included
in
the
tif
plan.
H
The
base
dav,
which
is
the
eav
as
of
the
2019
tax
year.
The
base
eav
was
about
34
and
a
half
million
we're
in
the
process
of
updating
that
to
reflect
2020
eavs,
which
are
just
about
to
come
out,
and
we
will
do
that
based
on
some
assumptions
about
what
potential
redevelopment
or
improvement
activities
could
be
undertaken
over
those
23
years.
We're
estimating
that
eav
could
increase
by
as
much
as
85
million
to
a
hundred
million.
H
This
next
slide
shows
you
what
the
budget
consists
of.
You
can
see
that
there's
land
costs,
demolition
and
site
preparation
costs,
public
improvements
and
infrastructure
improvements,
public
facilities,
improvements,
construction
and
relocation
of
public
buildings,
rehabilitation
costs,
interest
costs,
planning,
legal,
other
professional
fees,
job
training,
as
well
as
any
payments
that
would
need
to
be
made
to
the
school's.
Pursuant
to
the
state
statute,.
H
There
is
a
there
is
a
whole
host
of
additional
activities
that
would
that
would
be
implemented
under
the
plan,
but
would
be
subject
to
further
consideration
by
the
public.
This
is
this
is
a
partial
list
of
what
those
things
are,
so
you
can
see.
For
example,
any
use
of
public
funds
to
purchase
property
would
require
public
review,
any
expenditure
of
tiff
funds
in
excess
of
25
000,
any
rehab
or
construction
of
public
buildings.
H
Any
zoning
entitlements
within
the
tif
would
be
subject
to
the
normal
zoning
and
entitlement
requirements
by
the
city,
which
includes
public
participation
and
then
annual
reporting
and
audits
that
are
required
to
be
presented
to
taxing
dirt
districts,
including
the
joint
review
board,
which
we'll
look
at
that
annually.
G
You
know
nina,
if
I
may.
I
I
really.
I
really
want
to
stress
this
slide
to
council
members
just
just
to
point
out
really.
The
the
tip
is
a
financial
tool.
It's
it's
not
a
redevelopment
or
zoning
tool
and
any
attempt
to
use
the
funding
will
require
city
council
approval,
just
like
any
other
any
other
project
or
any
other
funding
that
staff
recommends.
G
So
if
there's
concerns
about
staff
recommending
a
tif
to
you
know
redevelop
something,
there
are
a
clear
set
of
checks
that
the
city
council,
you
know,
will
that
the
staff
would
have
to
go
through.
So
there's
there's
no
eminent
domain.
There's
you
know.
No,
you
know.
If
the
city
were
to
try
to
acquire
a
property,
we
would
have
to
notice
it.
We
would
have
to
get
your
approval
to
do
that.
G
It's
just
not
even
part
of
the
plan,
but
we
really
want
to
stress
that
that
that
the
city's
processes
are
in
full
effect
and
that
the
tif
itself
is
just
it's
a
funding,
source
and
nina.
If
you,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
silencing
your
mobile
phone,
I
think
we've
been
hearing
text
messages.
G
Okay,
so
there's
one!
I'm
sorry
to
there's
only
one
side
left,
so
I
wish
I
would
have
waited,
but
I'll
I'll
just
finish
it
for
you
I'll
finish
it
for
you.
So
tonight
we're
going
to
hear
some
public
input.
I
would
assume
I
haven't
seen
the
public
hearing
public
speakers
list,
but
I
assume
there
are
people
that
want
to
speak
tonight
and
I
I
assume
also
that
there
will
be
additional
public
meetings.
G
I
know
that
because
I've
spoken
with
council
member
burns,
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
others,
we
will
come
back
when
the
council
is
ready
to
to
review
the
ordinances
required
to
establish
the
tax
increment
finance
district
we'd
like
to
do
that
sometime,
this
fall,
so
we
can
get
this
implemented
before
the
next
tax
year
starts
that
that
will
set
the
base
and
we
can
start
generating
increment
to
be
invested
in
the
community.
G
We
can
only
do
that
14
to
90
days
after
this
public
hearing.
So
like
I
said
there
is
no
intention
to
rush
this
to
the
next
council
meeting
in
14
days.
Where
we're
we
have
plenty
of
time
built
in
so
we
can
have
more
public
input
and
processes
and
then
once
they're
approved
they're
filed
with
the
county
clerk,
and
that
is
the
end.
Mr
mayor
of
item,
I
think
that
was
item
five
on
the
agenda
this
evening
and
I
think
items
six
is
public
comments.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
paul
that
wasn't
in
fact
item
five.
So
item
six
is
comes
in
two
parts
and
I
want
to
begin
by
soliciting
any
questions
from
council
members.
E
Mr
samozek,
you
alluded
to
this
earlier
about
ingram
park
not
being
included
in
the
tiff.
Does
that
mean
that,
prior
to
this
becoming
official,
we
will
have
to
divide
the
parcel
go
through
that
process,
so
it
can
explicitly
be
excluded,
or
is
there
some
other
mechanism
that
we
can
preserve
that
park,
land.
G
Sure
I
I
would
I'm
a
little
a
little
concerned
about
cost
of
going
through
that
process,
but
if
we
really
want
to
assure
current
residents
and
future
council
members,
I
would
likely
recommend
that
we
be
considered
doing
that.
I
don't
have
an
estimate
right
now
is
how
much
that
would
cost.
We
would
have
to
do
a
land
survey,
legal
description,
several
thousand
dollars.
It's
not
it's
not
an
outrageous
expense.
I
think
that
would
give
the
community
certainty
that
that
we
would
not.
G
I
would
take
that
you
know
help
me
out
city
manager
or
council
on
the
legal
ramifications
or
if
there
needs
to
be
a
referral,
to
do
that,
but
I'll
I'm
glad
they
begin
that
process
again,
just
to
answer
just
to
kind
of
highlight
what
you're
saying
so
so
individuals
in
the
community
understand.
G
We
have
one
large
parcel
that
includes
the
the
civic
center,
the
parking
lot
and
the
parks.
We
have
no
intention
on
recommending
redevelopment
of
the
park.
I
just
there
would
be
no
public
support
for
that.
We're
really
talking
about
how
we,
how
we
capture
value
from
potential
renovation
or
redevelopment
of
the
civic
center.
E
Yeah,
I
probably
have
150
questions,
many
of
which
my
colleagues
will
will
share,
so
I
will
I'll
hold
for
now.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
will
just
have
a
couple.
Okay.
I
will
just
first
of
all
say
that
the
concern
with
me
with
with
tiffs,
and
not
just
this
tips
in
general,
maybe
other
people
as
well
as
we've,
seen
how
they've
not
been
used
to
benefit
the
people
in
the
community,
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
just
think
of
historical
context
of
african-americans
in
many
communities
and
urban
renewal
and
all
the
things
that
have
happened
in
those
communities.
I
I
think
tiff's
kind
of
bring
up
some
of
that
right.
So
even
for
me,
when
I
think
about
all
the
things
even
this
previous
council
talked
about
regarding
reparations
and
houses
being
moved
in
all
those
things,
I
think
it's
hard
to
separate
that
historical
fact,
from
tiffs
and
and
in
reading
this
you
know
reading
the
actual
report,
and
maybe
some
of
this
is
just
what
they
have
to
put
in
ever
report.
But
things
about
you
know,
there's
lots
in
here
about
land
assembly
and
and
demolishing
and
I'm
trying
to
look
at
the
language.
I
I
I
wasn't
actually
here
to
start
all
those,
but
I
I
am
concerned
when
we
start
talking
about
things
like
beautification
and
landscaping
and
so
on
and
so
forth
so
forth,
which
are
things
that
are
definitely
needed,
but
in
my
mind,
things
we
should
just
be
doing
in
the
community,
because
people
are
taxpayers
and
we
you
know
they
should
have
beautiful
streets
and
and
identification,
markers
and
lighting
and
all
those
things
now
hearing
you
and
the
presentation
talk
about
rehabilitation
of
property
is
more
encouraging
because
that
wasn't
really
flushed
out
in
the
report
as
much.
I
It
was
much
more
about
private
development
and
new
buildings,
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
much
more
concerned
with
helping
people
who
already
live
there
to
stay
in
their
homes
or
remodel
their
homes
or
purchase
homes
or
whatever
those
things
are
versus
kind
of
any
benefit
for
a
private
developer
to
come
in
and
do
new
things
in
the
community,
because
I
think
for
me
that
would
just
add
to
people's
concerns
around
they've
lived
there
a
long
time
and
we've
not
made
the
investments
we've
made
in
their
area
as
we've
made
in
other
parts
of
the
city,
I
would
just
say
also
pointing
out
some
some
other.
I
I
don't
want
to
say
red
flags,
but
some
other
things
that
concern
me
just
in
the
report
were
the
mention
of
you
know
lots
of
mentions,
which
you
did
as
well
about
the
civic
center.
As
you've
mentioned,
we
have
not
had
a
conversation
as
as
this
council,
obviously,
and
even
the
last
council,
I
forgot
what
the
topic
was,
but
pretty
late
and
to
the
end
of
the
last
council.
There
was
some
conversation
about
the
civic
center.
I
Maybe
it
was
repaired
or
something,
and
we
we
all
made
a
pretty
clear
commitment
to
the
citizens
that
we
would
do
nothing
until
we
had
conversations
about
it,
and
so,
while
this
tift
is
not,
you
know,
moving
us
closer
to
selling
or
whatever
we
would
be
doing
at
the
civic
center.
I
think
it
just
adds
to
some
public
concern
that
we
would
be
selling
the
civic
center
and
we
have
not
had
a
conversation
about
it.
I
So
I
appreciate
you
paul
trying
to
make
that
really
clear,
but
it
it
just
is
a
little
bit
hard
when,
when
documents
kind
of
say
or
mention
one
thing,
and
then
you
know
we
kind
of
do
another
thing,
I
think
another
part
I
was
a
little
bit
disappointed
for
was,
I
would
just
say
somebody
wrote
in
this
document
about
it
being
culturally
sensitive.
I
I
So
that
was
a
little
bit
off-putting,
but
also
when
I
look
at
the
numbers
we
talk
about
using
one
million
dollars
for
job
training,
which
I
appreciate.
We
do
have
some
job
training
in
there,
but
I
would
have
loved
to
see
that
number
a
little
bit
higher,
because
I
look
at
public
facility
improvement
being
24
million
dollars
and
when
I
think
of
the
public
facilities
that
are
actually
captured
within
the
tift,
I
think
the
biggest
one
is
the
civic
center.
So
again
it's
you
know.
I
If
I
read
this
kind
of
with
a
skeptical
eye,
it
makes
it
feel
like
we're
doing
this,
to
put
a
lot
of
money
into
either
improving
or
doing
something
another
around
the
civic
center
which
we
haven't
made
a
commitment
to,
but
the
money
for
rehabilitation
costs
is
nine
million
and
the
the
money
for
job
training
is
only
one
million,
and
so
it
just
you
know.
I
want
to
love
it,
but
it
reads
a
little
bit
upside
down
to
me.
I
It
reads
a
little
bit
more
favorable
and
to
buildings
and
and
private
developers,
and
things
like
that
versus
the
people
who
actually
are
living
in
the
community
or
want
to
live
in
the
community
and
how
we
can
help
them
to
do
that.
And
I
don't
know
that.
That's
necessarily
the
sole
the
sole
goal
of
a
tiff,
but
it
would
be
nice.
I
I
would
love
to
support
this
if
we
could
do
more
to
communicate
that
this
was
actually
going
to
be
a
tool
to
help.
People
in
the
community
are
people
who
want
to
move
to
the
community
versus
helping
us
figure
out
either
what
to
do
at
the
civic
center
or
you
know,
bringing
developers
in
to
to
kind
of
cobble
together
this
this
land
acquisition
and
assembly
and
all
those
kind
of
things.
So
you
know,
I
think,
we're
going
to
maybe
I'm
soon
we're
going
to
have
more
conversations
about
it.
I
But
but
those
are
kind
of
some
concerns
that
I
had
in
reading
the
report
produced
by
mckenna.
G
I'm
my
apologies,
so
council.
Member
fleming,
thank
you
for
for
highlighting
your
concerns
I
want
to.
I
just
want
to
stress
that
there's
hopefully
plenty
of
opportunity
to
adjust
that
budget
to
reflect
what
what
you
had
just
said
and
it's
not
it's
not
fixed.
We
can.
G
We
can
based
on
community
additional
community
input.
Like
I
said
at
the
beginning,
we
still
have
more
to
go.
We
have
to
start
somewhere,
so
I
appreciate
that
feedback.
I
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
one
of
the
priority
goals
in
my
slide
presentation,
kind
of
duplicated,
a
public
improvement
piece
and
did
not
include
workforce.
G
I
think
the
the
mayor
has
heard
me
speak
many
times
since
his
election
and
it's
really
and
you'll
hear
this
at
the
next
economic
development
committee.
But
workforce
development
really
should
be
our
number
one
priority
right
now.
It's
the
number
one
thing
that
we
need
to
focus
on
so
yeah.
We
can
make
some
adjustments
to
the
budget
that
that's
easy
to
do
and
is
it
fair?
G
F
F
It's
it's
simply
a
modifier
again,
it's
from
the
act
itself
from
the
act
and
to
the
extent
the
city
wants
to
modify
that
as
it
relates
to
what
should
be
there
in
order
to
be
more
culturally,
culturally
sensitive.
That
could
be
done
again.
I
apologize
that
was
language
that
that
section
is
basically
in
the
in
section
four
or
five
of
the
tif
plan
is
a
recital,
and
it
basically
takes
the
language
from
the
tiffany
and
that
language
again
is
dated
it's
probably
from
98
or
99.
So
that's
the
basis
for
it.
F
It
was
basically
a
recital
of
the
description
from
the
fact,
but
that
could
be
modified.
D
Thank
you.
I
just
have
two
quick.
What
I
believe
a
quick
question
so
I'll
ask
this.
I'm
sorry.
What
is
the
gentleman's
name
who's
presenting
to
us
from
kenner?
Is
it
robert,
obviously
we're
looking
fabulous?
Fine,
bob,
okay,
bob
great
bob
in
your
experience?
How
do
communities
typically
measure
the
success
of
a
tiff?
Is
it
eav
growth.
F
That's
the
most
common
litmus
test:
alderman
eav
growth
in
evaluation.
Sometimes
it's
not
numeric.
It's
it's
related.
Sometimes
you
know
subjective
measures
how
many
jobs
did
or
or
semi-subjective
measures
how
many
jobs
did
we
create?
How
many
projects
did
we
implement?
The
the
basic
one
is,
the
is,
you
know,
is
the
eav
growth,
but
I
just
want
to
be
real
clear.
That's
not
the
only
one
I
mean
from
the
standpoint
of
one
size
fits
all
each
community.
Each
municipality
can
basically
set
forth
its
own
valuation
or
evaluation
process.
D
And
so
I
guess
this
next
question
is
to
paul
or
to
anyone
within
our
city
staff.
Have
we
ever
done
an
analysis
using
eav
growth,
where
we
set
a
baseline
of
what
was
the
you
know,
average
eav
growth
or
you
know,
across
the
city
over
a
period
of
time,
let's
say
a
five-year
period,
as
was
presented
in
one
of
the
reports,
councilmember
byrne
shared
with
me
or
a
10-year
period
I
think,
would
even
be
good
or
even
over
the
lifetime
of
a
tiff
23-year
period.
D
Have
we
done
an
analysis
of
what
the
average
growth
of
eav
was
city-wide
versus
eav
growth
within
a
tif
district
to
understand
if
the
investments
and
the
fact
that
we
were
taking
funding,
you
know
generally
away
from
our
school
districts
and
other
taxing
bodies
did
that
tiff
actually
outpace
at
what
you
know
this
council
each
council
will
determine
what
is
reasonable
or
what
is
a
good
amount,
but
have
we
have
we
done
that
analysis,
paul
for
any
tif
for.
G
All
of
our
teams
right,
I,
like
the
questioning
I
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you,
council,
member
reid.
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
managed
at
the
at
the
at
the
finance
level
and
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
put
attach
on
the
spot
right
now.
But
I'd
love
to
follow
up
with
you
on
that,
because
I
think
that
would
be
a
useful
analysis.
Yeah.
D
And
can
I
follow
up
with
you
on
that?
Certainly,
certainly,
I
think
that'd
be
quite
helpful,
particularly
for
me,
and
not
particularly
with
this
tiff,
but
just
overall
looking
at
whether
tiff's
are
a
good
tool
for
us
here
and
then.
Lastly,
I
I
was
just
looking
at
I'll
pull
it
back
up.
It
was
on
the
city's
website.
D
Looking
at
the
tiff
reports,
particularly,
I
was
looking
at
one
of
the
howard
ridge,
tiff
reports,
and
I
I
see
there,
for
example,
that
the
last
tif
report
for
the
howard
ridge,
tiff
I
didn't
look
at
everyone's
tips-
was
2019..
D
There
isn't
a
2020
annual
report
posted
we're
still
in
2021,
obviously
so
that
will
not
be
posted
yet,
and
my
thought
is
for
any
other
fund.
We
would
have
a
an
accounting
of
of
that
on
the
city's
website,
but
by
this
point
so
so
I
do
feel
that
there
are
slight
differences
in
the
way
that
we
report
tiff
expenditures
and
tiff
funds
when
compared
to
funds
coming
from
the
general
fund
or
other
funds.
D
I
do
wonder
so
what
I
noticed
on
one
of
the
slides
was
that
expenditures
under
25
000,
which
the
city
manager
is
authorized
to
spend
without
council
approval
and
across
the
board,
not
just
with
tiffs.
D
Reporting
of
small
dollar
amounts
and,
in
some
cases,
clear
reporting
of
100,
you
know
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
and
so
that's
it
wasn't
in
the
annual
report
very
clearly
delineated,
and
so
that's
an
issue.
D
And
so
I
think
you
know
what
what
I'd
like
to
see
us
do
is
maybe
create,
come
together
and
create
a
local
ordinance
that
would
create
tighter
reporting
requirements
for
us
recording
reporting
requirements
that
are
that
offer
more
transparency
than
what
the
state
minimums
are,
because
I
think
the
state
minimum
even
says
that
expenditures
of
under
ten
thousand
dollars
don't
have
to
be
reported
and
that
there's
a
voluntary
reporting-
and
you
know
that
the
document
that's
submitted
to
the
county
clerk's
office-
isn't
the
most
transparent
document.
D
So
I
would
love
for
us
to
have
better
reporting
of
tiff
expenditures.
G
Well,
council,
council,
member
read
the
the
only
thing
I
would
say
in
response
to
that
at
this
point
is
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
ask
our
consultant.
When
is
the:
when
are
the
2020
reports
due,
I
think
they're
due.
F
G
I
know
I
looked
I
I
did
some
edits
the
other
day
of
the
report
with
attach,
I
believe,
and
then.
Secondly,
I
would,
I
would
say
I
I'll
sit
with
you
council
member
reid,
but
I
I
tend
to
think
that
we
just
haven't.
There
haven't
been
a
lot
of
projects
that
we've
we've
used,
tiff
for
in
the
howard
ridge
tiff,
because
we
just
really
haven't
had
funding
outside
of
the
large
project
at
howard
and
a
chicago
avenue.
That's
under
construction
natasha,
I
see
you're
lit
up.
J
J
And
I
see
the
ev
numbers
here
like
at
least
I
have
these
2020
numbers
are
not
out
yet
for
the
evs,
but
in
2019
total
tf,
like
four
tips,
which
we
had
at
harvard
reach
west
haven
since
chicago
main
and
denser
dodge.
J
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Next,
we
have
council
member
revell.
K
Yes,
so
so,
first
paul,
I
was
pleased
to
hear
that
you
were
addressing
the
idea
of
correcting
the
map
in
the
in
all
this
material
to
show
that
we
are
going
to
leave
ingram
park
outside
of
the
redevelopment
idea,
and
I
I
have
been
hearing
from
the
neighbors
and
also
obviously
the
steward
and
the
supporters
who
work
in
that
native
garden
on
the
corner
of
ridge
and
leonard
place.
So
I
I
support
council
member
nusma's
request
that
we
do
come
up
with
a
way
to
modify.
K
K
Just
because
it's
it's
our
current
one
of
our
current
goals,
and
that
would
be
our
climate
action
and
resilience
plan
goals
that
we
mentioned
that
specifically
in
several
places,
to
show
that,
when
we're
going
to
measure
the
success
of
of
this
tif,
that
we
see
that
we've
that
the
affordable
housing
that
we've
created
has
been
climate
resilient
and
energy
efficient,
and
there
are
probably
other
ways
that
we
could
be
reflecting
our
carp
goals
in
in
the
tiff.
K
I
think
my
my
my
response
to
council
member
fleming's
concerns
about
some
of
the
idea
that
some
of
these
it
sounds
like
we're.
Opening
the
door
to
having
a
lot
of
outside
developers
come
in
and-
and
I
don't
know,
tell
us
what
they
want
to
do.
I
guess
my
question
to
you.
K
Paul
is:
do
we
have
a
regular
role
for
community
members
in
the
in
the
tif
planning
and
decision
making,
as
it
goes
forward
other
than
just
kind
of
at
the
public
hearings
where
we
hear
from
members
of
the
public
and
we
answer
their
questions,
is
there?
Is
there
an
idea
for
an
ongoing
role
there,
or
is
that
up
to
the
fifth
ward
council
member?
How
how
do
we?
How
do
we
do
that.
G
Yeah,
I
really
I
like
that
question
we
for
the
chicago
and
maine
to
district
there.
There
was
in
fact
a
council
member
will
remember
this.
We
created
a
committee
of
residents
and
businesses
who
would
kind
of
do
a
preliminary
check
of
any
staff
recommendation
for
expenditures
of
tiff
and
then
it's
kind
of
an
advisory
committee
to
the
city
council.
That
adds
another
layer
of
public
input,
but
that
you
know,
I
think
we
might
yield
to
council
member
burns
on
how
he'd
like
to
create
that
as
it's.
G
This
is
a
really
highly
focused
west
of
green
bay.
Road
kind
of
you
know
tiff,
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
putting
this
together,
so
my
my
advice
would
be,
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
to
make
sure
that
it's
heavily
represented
by
residents
and
businesses
that
are
that
are
west
of
green
bay,
road
yeah,
very
specific.
K
Right
yeah,
I
know
that
was
certainly
my
my
thought
there
yeah
and
then
I
guess
I
I
have
a
question
about
the
project
area
and
the
language
in
one
of
the
many
things
that
we're
going
to
vote
on
eventually
is
approving
the
tax
increment
redevelopment
plan
and
the
project
area
and
there's
a
list
of
findings
and
the
last
finding
says
the
parcels
of
real
property
in
the
proposed
area
are
contiguous
and
only
those
contiguous
parcels
of
real
property
and
improvements
thereon
that
will
be
substantially
benefited
by
the
proposed
project.
K
Improvements
are
included
in
the
proposed
area,
so
my
question
is:
how
is
that
consistent
with
including
the
1815
ridge
avenue
project
in
the
in
the
area?
Since
it's.
L
G
Sure
yeah
we
could.
We
could
debate
that.
I,
when,
when
we
took
a
look
at
this
this
district
proposal,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
a
year
year
and
a
half
ago
time
is
really
flying.
G
We
we
looked
at
ways
that
we
could
generate.
We
could
generate
the
increment
needed
to
do
the
projects
plus
of
the
tracks.
I
mean
that
was
our
sole
focus
and
frankly,
councilmember
revell.
That's
that's
why
I
made
it
in
there.
Will
the
tiff
you
know,
will
the
tif
survive
without
it?
It
won't
be
as
good
and
we'll
have
to
wait
longer
for
it
to
be
generating.
G
I
I
don't
know
how
else
to
say
it
I
mean
as
a
whole.
The
district
does
indeed
meet
the
standards.
If
you
look
at
it
individually,
I
could
see
why
you
would
point
that
out,
but
what
it
does,
what
it
does
provide
is
an
opportunity
to
get
us.
You
know
the
the
viaduct
bridge,
which
I
thought
was.
G
It
was
an
important
I
hear
that
frequently
from
community
members
and-
and
I
haven't
heard
the
current
mayor
mention
it,
but
the
previous
two
have-
and
I
you
know
I
wonder
again,
if
that's
if
it's
a
way
to
to
keep
that
in
the
project,
but
I
I
I
definitely
understand
what
you're
saying.
K
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
that
was
my
expectation
that
you
would
say
you
know
one
reason
to
have
that
property
in
in
the
project
areas,
because
it
does
obviously
generate
some
growth
in
the
eav
right
away.
I
just
wonder
whether
we
can
leave
that
language
in
the
document
that
we're
going
to
be
approving
and
that's
you
know.
G
Thank
you
I'll
ask
I'll
make
sure
that
both
corporation
council
and
our
and
our
sorry,
our
consultants
make
you
know,
make
sure
that
that's
consistent
or
where
we
know
that
we
should
be
authentic
and
how
we're
doing
this.
M
Yes,
I
did
want
to
address
the
point
that
paul
was
making
about
the
chicago
maine
tiff.
We
did
have
this
same
question
about
having
citizens
participate
in
making
sure
that
the
tiff's
expenditures
were
in
keeping
with
what
the
community
wanted,
and
we
did
put
the
creation
of
that
advisory
board
into
the
tif
ordinance
with
specifications
as
to
number
of
residents
number
of
business
community
members
who
would
be
participate
in
that
and
that
committee
met
the
tiff
was
formed.
M
I
believe
in
2013
that
committee
met
for
two
or
three
years
prioritizing
what
were
the
issues
that
were
most
important
to
spend
the
money
on.
That's
what's
going
on
right
now,
to
some
extent
on
main
street
infrastructure
was
the
most
critical
issue
at
the
time,
but
I
think
that
that
worked
well,
and
I
would
suggest
that
that
would
be
a
very
good
thing
to
have
some
form
of
that
council
member
burns.
M
An
advisory
board
would
it
it
was
a
very
good
board
that
really
was
active
and
gave
a
lot
of
valuable
community
input.
So
it
worked.
I
I
think
it's
an
excellent
tool
and
we
should
use
it
in
every
tiff.
A
Are
there
other
council
members,
so
council
member
nusma
wants
to
come
back
for
a
second
round,
let's
start
with
council
member
burns
who
hasn't
spoken
yet
and
then,
if
others,
if
no
others
haven't
spoken
yet
want
to
speak,
then
we'll
go
for
second
round
so
go
ahead.
Council
member
burns.
N
Yeah
first
question:
all
it:
it
says:
in
the
budget
it
says:
statutory
school
payments
pursuant
to
the
tif
act
and
it's
10
million.
Can
you
explain
that?
Please.
F
Sure
it's
barbara
schlicky,
the
tiffany,
provides
that
if
there's
a
residential
project,
that's
funded
with
tiff
or
benefits
from
tiff
infrastructure,
cliff-funded
infrastructure,
any
new
school-aged
children
for
either
the
high
school
or
for
the
grade
school,
there's
a
there's,
a
formula
that's
set
out
in
the
tiff
act,
which
the
the
districts
report
once
a
year
before
september,
30th
as
to
what
net
new
children
are
residing
in
the
tif
district
in
a
tif
funded
project.
F
Of
that
residential
increment
could
be
utilized
to
pay
school
tuition
costs.
And
again
it's
it's
a
annual
process.
F
You
know
if
there's
four
children
in
2021
and
two
graduates
in
2022
there's
only
two:
it's
constantly
recalibrated
every
year,
but
the
the
schools
would
present
that
information
and
again
it's
only
for
for
projects
that
are
funded
with
tiff,
not
for
existing
housing
but
for
tiff
funded
projects,
and
it's
a
way
to
try
to
get
some
of
the
tiff
increment
to
the
schools
prior
to
the
tif
being
terminated.
F
So
again,
it's
an
annual
calculation
there's
a
formula
it's
set
forth
in
the
tiff
act.
It
sets
out
what
the
amounts
that
you
know,
a
ceiling
of
amounts
that
would
be
paid
out,
and
that
is
a
city
obligation
that
they
would
do
every
year
or
that
the
city
would
do
every
year.
F
It's
automatic,
that's
automatic,
that's
automated!
That
is
a
responsibility
of
of
the
city.
Again,
if
you
fund
the
residential
project
and
there's
in
this
and
the
school,
the
grade
school
or
high
school
identify
new
school
age,
children
to
the
district
that
reside
they
make
their
claim
to
the
city.
The
only
you
know,
the
condition
is
has
to
be
done
by
september
30th
and
it's
an
annual
and
it's
an
annual
request.
N
The
budget
item
says:
rehabilitation
costs
and
affordable
housing.
Construction
costs,
9.7
million
paul
rehabilitation
costs-
is
that
you
know
home
improvement.
Could
that
be
used.
G
C
L
G
O
G
P
G
Think
when,
when
our
consultant
helped
us,
you
know,
advise
us
on
this
budget,
we're
using
you
know
kind
of
experience
and
averages
to
put
this
together.
N
And
so
we
could
support
affordable,
nonprofit,
affordable
housing
developers
with
this
line,
item
rehabilitation
costs
and
affordable
housing,
construction.
G
I'll
explain
so
there's
a
number
of
ways
we
can
help
right.
One
is
if
a
non-profit,
affordable
housing
developer
acquires
a
site
to
do
that.
The
the
cost
of
acquisition
isn't
a
is
an
eligibility
expense.
If
the
site
they
acquire
is
you
know
environmentally
challenged.
The
cost
of
environmental
cleanup
is
and
then
again,
construction
50
of
the
cost
of
an
affordable
housing
unit
construction
could
be
covered
by
tif.
G
Those
are
the
ways
that
I
think
that
I
could
answer
your
question
directly
on
that
there's
probably
some
other
smaller
ways,
maybe
there's
a
workforce
development
program
that
that
could
be
included
to
a
job
training
deconstruction
whatever,
but
the
the
primary.
The
primary
things
I
mentioned
are
how
we
would
fund
that.
N
So
you
talked
about
tiff
being
a
financing
tool.
Is
it
in
the
rehabilitation
plan?
Is
it
supposed
to
go
as
detailed
as
defining
the
actual
program
or
is
there
a
su?
Is
there
is?
Is
there
a
significance
in
in
supportive
documents
like
comprehensive
plans,
like
you
know,
I
think,
for
housing,
our
home
improvement
program?
We
have
an
existing
home
improvement,
handyman
programs
already
that
this
could
could
go
to
fun.
Presumably,
so
those
are
the
programs
right.
Those
documents
lay
out
the
plan
for
the
program,
but
this
is
more
of
a
financing
to
them.
F
Yes,
you
are
I
again,
as
paul
had
mentioned
earlier.
Alderman
the
tif
plan
is
really.
It
sets
up
a
framework.
Remember
it's
for
a
23-year
period.
At
this
juncture,
a
lot
of
guesstimating
involved
is
setting
the
table.
I
look
at
it
as
more,
as
you
know,
as
an
umbrella
similar
to
your
other
tips.
You
know
as
projects
are
identified
or
each
alderman
or
each
community
has
input.
You
put
some
flesh
on
the
bones
right
now.
All
we're
doing
is
identifying
what
what
the
area
is.
What
are
some
of
the
basic
costs?
N
It
does.
Thank
you,
that's
well
last
question.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
a
tiff
where
the
standard
was
met
on
every
single
parcel.
So
to
going
back
to
council
member
council
members,
I
need
to
look
at
you
to
reveal.
Q
F
F
You
know
some
might.
Some
might
have
three.
Some
might
have
all
five.
Some
might
have
two.
It's
it's
really
an
accumulative
basis.
You
look
at
the
area
as
a
whole.
I
mean
I
mean
that's
the
working
premise
from
the
statute
and
that's
really
how
the
determination
is
made
it
it's
for
the
area
as
a
whole.
F
I
think
we
kept
it
fairly
flexible.
You
you
can,
as
alderman
win,
talked
a
little
bit
about
these
advisory
committees,
it's
an
add-on
to
the
basic
tif
program,
to
the
extent
that
the
city
identifies
priority
areas
within
the
tif
that
that
could
be
again
as
part
of
your
policy
or
implementation
of
the
program.
I
want
to
point
out
again
the
tiff,
even
though
they
call
it
a
plan,
it's
more
of
a
financing
program.
F
It
does
not
supplement
your
comprehensive
plan,
any
area
plans
or
area
programs
that
you
have
all
that
stuff
gets
mixed
into.
How
you're
going
to
implement
the
program.
N
And
paul
is
that
something
that
you
would
recommend
it's
something
that
I
think
makes
sense
developing
a
target
area
within
the
larger
study
area,
and
I
say
that
because
I
think
we
should
be
clear
in
chicago
they
would
love
for
some
of
their
more
challenged
areas
to
be
to
a
but
another
tif
that
performs
well
like
that's.
What
they're
trying
to
figure
out
is
how.
C
N
You
know
direct
funds
from
high
performing.
You
know
areas
into
areas
that
aren't
performing
as
well,
and
here
we,
you
know
we
have
that
opportunity
here,
but
I
think
it
would
be
clear
if
we
developed
a
target
area
to
say
look
these.
This
is
the
area
that
that
we
intend
to
focus
on
and
yes,
we
are
including
parcels
that
either
are
performing
well
now
or
will
in
the
future
so
that
we
can
fund
projects
in
this
target
target
area.
Does
that
does
that
make
sense?
Paul.
G
I
yeah,
I
think
one
or
or
what
I
would
recommend
is
you
know
we
could
do
business
kind
of
narrow,
narrowly
focused
business
district
market
studies
to
to
figure
out
what
you
know.
What
kinds
of
businesses
are
most
demand,
how
many
units
of
housing?
If
you
don't
want
to
do
a
mixed-use
development
and
a
business
district
and
you're
in
the
ward?
G
How
would
we
do
that
and
then
again
the
you
know:
I've
I've
been
on
staff
for
for
nearly
10
years
and
have
have
had
the
experience
of
working
with
two
two
previous
aldermen
or
council
members
and
there's
also
a
number
of
plans,
the
affordable
housing
plan.
G
I
I
love
aldermen,
reveal
or
council
member
ravel's
suggestion
to
make
sure
that
we
highlight
carp,
we're
gonna,
hopefully
we'll
have
a
workforce
development
plan,
we'll
talk
about
that
at
the
economic
development
committee
meeting
on
the
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
then
there's
previous
plans
that
were
approved.
You
know
the
2006
master
plan
on
west
side.
There
are
elements
of
that,
and
so
we
can
get
really
nearly
focused
and
point
out
specific
project
areas,
but
that
that
could
be
part
of.
L
G
G
N
And
this
is
the
last
statement,
so
it
sounds
like
there's.
There
may
be
some
some
benefit
from
opening
this
up
to
a
more
collaborative
environment
with
other
communities,
to
develop
the
specific
projects
and
target
areas,
and
that's
something
that
we
can
do
once
the
advisory
committee
is
seated.
G
Yes,
I
think,
that's
that's
what
I
would
recommend.
I
I
I
think
that's
the
great
idea.
You
also
have
to
remember
this.
If
this
tif
is
approved
by
the
city
council
in
the
fall,
it
is
not
going
to
have
funding
in
it
to
generate
projects,
or
so
I
can
have
funding
generated
to
to
do
projects
immediately.
G
So
there's
that
period
of
time
where
we
can
spend
some
time
planning
together
as
a
community
and
engaging
engaging
kind
of
sub
sub
area
communities
so,
like
I
was
saying,
church
and
dodge
asbury
emerson
things
like
that,
you
know.
Let's
talk
about
emerson
square
phase,
two
sub-area
opportunities
like
that
and
we're
not
going
to
see
funding
roll
into
this
tif
until
the
second
collection
in
2022,
so
we'll
have
nine
months
before
a
dollar
rolls
into
it.
So
there's
there's
definitely
time
to
plan.
We
should
prioritize.
R
Thank
you.
So
the
part
that
I
feel
like
is
missing
so
much
here
is
the
impact
on
the
taxpayers
and,
as
we
know,
with
bonds
right,
you
have
the
amount
of
money.
That's
not
going
to
be
going
to
our
public
schools
going
to
public
works.
R
That's
going
to
have
to
be
made
up,
so
residents
will
take
a
hit
with
regard
to
that,
but
then
there's
also
bonds
right,
because
you're
always
you're
going
to
bond
out
because
we're
not
going
to
get
the
money
until
I
don't
know
how
much
are
you
expecting
the
first
year
in
increment?
Do
you
have
enough?
What's
your
estimate,
I.
G
R
So,
there's
that
too
there's
debt
debt
service-
you
know,
financing
debt
service
fees,
so
those
combined
sort
of
a
double
whammy
that
we're
not
talking
about
at
all
and
it's
essential
that
we
talk
about
that.
If
we're
really
going
to
make
an
assessment
as
to
the
value
of
this
to
residents,
because
it's
going
to
hit
all
residents
and
also
I
mean
I
want
to
see
a
financial
comparison
of
market
market
forces-
and
you
know,
for
example,
I
don't
know
all
the
addresses
don't
have
the
memrise,
but
that
massive
building
on
ridge.
R
R
So
you
know
what
would
that
bring
us
and
what
would
be
the
impact
in
a
financial
comparison
with
the
market
forces
and
the
taxes
that
we
would
gain
as
opposed
to
also
the
debt
service
fees
and
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
going
to
make
up?
That
would
be
going
to
the
schools.
So
I
think
this
is
all
you
know
really
important
as
well.
As
you
know,
money
that
will
be
allocating
two
developments
that
may
otherwise
have
developed.
R
Naturally,
it
is
a
seller's
market
right
now,
so
I
think
we
need
to
see
a
very
detailed
comparison
and
also
a
very
detailed
analysis
of
what
this
is
going
to
mean
for
the
residents
of
evanston.
G
Mr
mayor,
if
I
mean
briefly,
I
I
think
just
to
respond,
I
I
think
that's
an
excellent
suggestion
and,
and
it
could
be
part
of
what,
whatever
I
think
it
was
councilmember
burns
or
reid
has
suggested.
We
create
kind
of
a
creative
local
reporting
mechanism
and
it's
pretty
straightforward
and
we
could
do
that.
It'll
take
a
little
work,
but
we
have
we
have
the
time
to
do
it
before
this
comes
back
to
council
for
for
the
ordinance
approval.
A
Thank
you.
So
no
one
everyone
who
wanted
to
speak
has
gotten
to
speak,
we're
going
to
go
for
second
rounds.
I
just
want
to
drivers
attention
to
the
time
I'm
not
even
totally
clear
on
whether
ordinary
city
council
rules
apply
during
a
public
hearing,
but
would
respectfully
ask
council
members
speaking
for
a
second
time
to
keep
their
comments
and
questions
brief.
We'll
have
council
member
nussma,
followed
by
reed,
followed
by
burns.
E
E
G
I'll
ask
our
consultants
to
back
us
up,
but
really
briefly,
the
cfos
of
both
district
65
and
202
had
stressed
that
if,
if
we
were
to
convert
home
at
some
point
over
the
next
23
years,
the
the
civic
center
to
private
use
that
there
would
be
significant
tax
generation
and
that
they
would
want
to
create
an
intergovernmental
agreement
to
make
sure
that
they
got
their
share.
Of
that.
That's
not
uncommon.
We've
done
that
in
other
districts.
So.
E
Is
that
a
handshake
agreement
at
this
point,
or
is
that
somehow
memorialized
legally.
T
E
D
Just
as
a
point
of
from
request
for
information
paul
with
the
tiff,
we
can
do
a
you
know
it's
kind
of
termed
as
a
pay-as-you-go
method,
where
we
don't
have
to
bond
out.
That's
a
possibility.
G
Right,
I
mean
the
pay
as
you
go
would
be
for
private
development.
If
a
project
is
seeking
tiff,
they
can
get
private
financing.
You
know
using
future
tiff
at
you
know
pledging
future
tiff
as
as
revenue
for
for
funding
a
loan.
It
would
be
hard
to
fund.
You
know
infrastructure,
you
couldn't
do
it
as
you
go
you
just
you.
What
what
we're
saying
is
we
we'd
save
for
a
rainy
day?
We
just
wait
for
the
tif
to
fill
up,
and
then
we
start
using.
G
D
Okay
and
then
can
you
also
just
maybe
it's
the
folks
at
mckenna,
so
general
obligation
bond
rates
are
from
my
understanding.
You
know
somewhere
in
the
one
percent
range
one
to
two
percent.
First,
we
can
confirm
if
that
is
true,
and
then
what
are
the
bond
rates
for
a
tif?
How
how
do
those
differ?
D
Rate
for
a
tif
bond
differ
from
a
a
general
obligation
bond
well.
F
You
know
hitesh
I
see
lit
up,
but
again
is
bobby
schlicky
from
k.
Mckenna,
the
interest
rates
will
differ.
There's
a
couple
variables.
F
One
will
be:
what's
the
credit
behind
it,
if
it's
a
general
obligation
of
full
faith
and
credit
of
the
city
of
evanston,
that
will
be
a
lower
rate
and
again
whether
it's
two
percent
or
three
percent
depends
on
the
term
of
of
the
obligation
and
the
shorter
the
term,
the
lower
the
rate,
if
it's,
what
they
call
pure
revenue
bond,
no
backing
of
the
city
of
evanston,
and
it's
just
the
risk
of
the
tiff
receipts
coming
in
that
will
carry
a
higher
interest
rate.
F
You
know
it's
anywhere
between
five
or
six
percent,
so
there's
a
considerable
difference
as
to
a
what
is
the
credit
or
the
backing
of
the
bonds
and
and
then
what's
their
term
and
and
again
a
general
obligation
would
be
expected
to
get
you
the
lowest
interest
rate.
A
pure
revenue
bond
would
would
be
again
because
it's
only
the
revenue
of
the
project
behind
it
would
be
a
higher
risk
and
a
higher
interest
rate.
I
don't
know:
if
is
there
anything
you
wanted
to
add
to
that
or
just.
D
An
interesting
time
I'll
just
just
quickly
follow
up.
Thank
you
for
that
information.
So
it
seems
as
though
you
know,
roughly
that
the
interest
rates
are
double,
maybe
three
times
at
interest
rates.
Are
we
able
to
use?
So
let's
say
we,
you
know
we
were
discussing
bonds
earlier
and
we'll
discuss
it
again
later.
So
let's
say
we
were
to
use
our
general
obligation
general
obligation
bond
to
pay
for
a
project
within
the
tif
district.
Could
we
use
those
tif
funds
to
pay
off
the
bond
without
issuing
the.
D
D
D
J
Good
evening
again,
like
I
think
we
issued
the
2018
couple
of
tips,
were
there
paul
and
we
issued
those
as
a
taxable
bonds
because
the
entire
proceeds.
So
we
had
a
regular
bonds,
which
was
a
geo
bond
for
the
general
infrastructure.
J
We
had
the
refunding
bonds
and
then
we
had
one
separate
series,
which
was
it
entirely
for
fifth
ones,
but
it
should
have
the
taxable
bonds.
D
Thank
you,
thank
you
and
then
one
last
question
for
kane
mckenna.
So
when
we
know
that
when
we
issue
a
general
obligation
bond,
we
are
obligating
ourselves
to
raise
our
and
please
correct
me
from
wrong,
raise
our
tax
levy
to
whatever
we
need
to
in
order
to
meet
the
the
to
pay,
those
bonds
back.
What.
F
D
What
happens
if,
if,
within
a
tif
district
we
bond
out
for
a
project,
we
expect
the
av
to
increase
by
a
certain
amount
and
we
don't
meet
those
those
those
goals,
and
we
don't
have
enough
money
to
pay
back
the
bond
within
the
tif.
How
do
the?
How
do
folks
collect
what
are
we
putting
on
the
line
to
say
you
know
we
we're
we're,
guaranteeing
we're
paying
you
back.
F
If,
if
it
is,
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly,
if
it
is
a
general
obligation
that
is
from
the
tax
space
of
the
city
of
evanston
as
a
whole
would
be
needed
to
make
up
that
differential
if
it
were
a
pure
revenue
bond,
it's
buyer.
Beware
the
bondholder!
If
it
was
only
the
revenues
of
the
tif
and
not
a
general
obligation,
there
is
no
city
pledge,
but
if
you
do
have
a
general
obligation
pledge.
F
N
Q
N
Okay,
I'll
reserve
my
question
for
I'm
putting
together
a
tiff
meeting,
so
I
don't
want
you
to
have
to
answer
for
them,
so
I
will
reserve
my
question.
That's
all
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
So,
oh
thank
you.
So
just
for
clarity.
We
have
two
different
bytes
at
the
apple
for
public
comment
tonight,
essentially
back
to
back
the
first
still
internal
to
the
current
public
hearing.
That's
ongoing
and
the
subsequent
will
be
the
ordinary
public
comment.
So
so,
with
that
in
mind,
we're
gonna
for
the
immediate
public
comment,
we'll
begin
with
in-person
commenters
and
then
go
to
remote
commenters.
A
Everyone
will
be
given
two
minutes
to
speak
and
I'd
like
to
begin
with.
Diane
goldring.
L
T
Biss
and
council
members
and
clerk
mendoza
and
city
manager
sterli,
it's
good
to
see
you
all
again,
even
though
I'm
on
this
side
of
the
dice.
I
have
two
questions.
I
am
all
for
making
public
investments
in
areas
that
have
historically
been
neglected.
T
It
reads
like
the
city
started,
with
the
desire
to
create
a
tif
district
that
includes
the
civic
center
and
then
backed
into
the
boundaries
and
the
conservation
area,
justification
which
seems
almost
ridiculous,
although
it
technically
meets
the
criteria.
According
to
illinois
code,
a
conversation,
a
conservation
area
is
one
that
is
at
risk
of
becoming
blighted.
The
proposed
district
has
the
opposite
problem.
It's
at
risk
of
gentrifying.
T
The
proposed
tif
district
is
very
different
from
the
four
other
active
tif
districts
and
that
none
of
those
included
more
than
75
residential
properties
at
except
at
inception.
My
first
question
is:
how
are
you
going
to
ensure
that
taxpayer
subsidized
development
does
not
accelerate
gentrification
and
displace
long-time
residents?
T
Secondly,
none
of
the
other
four
active
tif
districts
relied
on
the
sale
of
a
public
asset.
In
order
to
be
successful,
the
report
states
quote
stronger
performing
parcels
or
those
that
have
potential,
such
as
the
civic
center
property
will
provide
the
tax
increment
necessary
to
implement
the
desired
projects
in
the
fifth
ward.
So
my
second
question
is:
has
the
city
already
decided
to
sell
the
civic
center
and
what
taxpayer
finance
incentives
for
private
developers?
Will
this
tif
include
creating
a
new
tif
district
is
a
big
deal
in
this
case.
T
V
V
You
didn't
answer
any
of
diane's
questions
and
the
purpose
of
a
hearing
is
to
ask
questions
and
get
answers.
Much
like
you
just
did
with
staff.
So
I'm
not
even
touching
on
my
comments
yet,
but
I'd
like
to
understand
the
rules,
because
you
mentioned
the
sign
earlier.
The
sign
was
and
thank
you
for
allowing
the
sign
to
stay,
but
the
sign
was
put
up
here
for
the
tiff
discussion,
the
tiff
hearing,
not
for
the
council
meeting.
V
D
Request
for
information
yeah
and
if
I
can
be
recognized
for
the
request
for
information,
it's
it's
my
understanding,
so
were
the
rules
for
this
hearing
for
public
comment
posted
ahead
of
time
publicly.
So
my
understanding
of
my
very
clear
understanding
of
oma
that
rules
for
public
comment
have
to
be
posted
publicly
before
the
meeting.
D
If
there's
going
to
be
an
adjustment
to
the
rules,
albeit
this
is
a
hearing
which
is
separate
from
counsel-
I
I
it
seems
it's
really
it
it's
on
our
council
agenda,
so
it
seems
as
though
we'd
be
following
either
council
rules
or
rules
that
were
posted
separately
before
this
hearing.
A
So
I'll
address
that
then
turn
it
over
to
mr
cummings
then
answer
mr
silke's
question
and
then
then
we'll
go
back
to
your
comment.
The
two
minutes
is
a
is
a
sort
of
generous
enhancement
of
what's
in
the
council
rules
based
upon
the
number
of
people
who
signed
up
to
speak.
So
that's
where
I
came
up
with
that
number.
A
U
Good
evening,
members
of
city
council,
mayor
bis,
city,
major
storley,
residence
in
attendance-
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
to
mayor
bis
that
the
hearing
is
actually
happening
in
the
midst
of
a
council
meeting,
so
the
council
rules
would
be
applicable
and
to
your
point,
you
are
absolutely
correct
in
terms
of
the
time
allowed
for
to
speak
during
a
hearing.
U
State
statute
is
silent,
so
it
would
be
really
up
to
the
council
to
set
that
that
floor
that
ceiling,
so
the
city
council
rules
should
be
applicable
because
you
are
in
the
midst
of
a
city
council
meeting,
but
the
hearing
is
separate
insofar
as
if
you
want
to
adjust
the
time
allowed
et
cetera,
you're
right
state
law,
which
dictates
that
we
have.
This
hearing
is
silent
on
that
issue.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
council
members,
kellyanne
burns.
R
So
daniel,
how
many
people
are
signed
up
to
speak-
and
this
is
within
45
minutes-
is
that
what
you're
doing
the
calculation
on
correct.
A
A
So
my
intent
was
to
do
two
minutes
per
speaker
for
the
tiff
hearing,
which
would
probably
get
us
past
45
minutes
for
that
alone
and
then
do
three
minutes
per
speaker
for
kind
of
traditional
public
comment
afterwards,
which
again
is
quite
a
bit
more
time
than
it's
provided
for
in
our
rules.
But
I
understand
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
this,
so
we
don't
have
public
hearings
frequently,
and
so,
if
the
council
would
permit
me
that
I
was
going
to
intend
to
be
generous
with
the
time.
R
A
So,
as
I
indicated,
I
was
planning
to
do
two
minutes
per
for
this,
which
I
think
would
get
us
to
the
45
minutes
and
then
three
minutes
per
for
the
meeting
after
which
is
what's
in
the
rules.
And
if
someone
wants
to
check
my
arithmetic,
it's
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
very
complex
color
coded
spreadsheet
in
front
of
me,
and
I'm
not
great
with
spreadsheets.
N
It
is
my
expectation
from
staff
that
people
would
be
allowed
to
ask
questions
and
get
responses
this
evening,
that
that
is
my
strongest
expectation
after
conversations
with
staff,
I
don't
know
how
we
do
that
in
a
compromise.
If
the
statute
is
silent,
maybe
people
are
allowed
to
either
or
either
make
a
statement
or
ask
questions
and
get
responses,
one
of
the
one
of
the
two,
but
that
that
was
100.
My
expectation
this
evening
that
they
would
be
allowed
that
opportunity
and
I'd
love
to
hear
questions
and
responses.
N
A
So
let
me
address
that
and
I'm
look,
I'm
happy
to
do
what
what
the
preference
of
the
council
is.
When
I
saw
the
number
of
people
who
signed
up
it's
instantly
seemed
to
me
that
that
was
not
a
feasible
way
of
of
constructing
this.
I
know
there
have
been
a
number
of
public
conversations.
I've
heard
from
residents
who've
had
meetings
with
staff
on
the
subject.
I
would
imagine,
there's
going
to
be
more
so
my
instinct,
upon
seeing
the
number
of
people
who
signed
up
was
we
we
can't
pick
and
choose
right.
A
We
can't
let
some
people
ask
questions
of
staff
about
other
people
and
if
every
person
who
signed
up
as
has
a
back
and
forth
with
staff,
we're
gonna
really
be
here
an
unwieldy
amount
of
time.
I'm
definitely
not
open
to
showing
prejudice
right
and
giving
some
people
a
crack
at
questions
and
not
others.
If,
if
the
preference
of
the
council
is
to
expand
this
out,
give
people
a
longer
chunk
of
time
and
let
that
include
a
back
and
forth
with
staff
I'll
go
with
the
preference,
but
I
just
want
to
warn
you.
A
D
To
to
that
point,
that
was
that
was
my
next
question.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
legal
question
or
just
a
council
practice
question
going
forward.
Should
we
hold
hearings,
you
know,
given
the
nature
of
a
hearing
separate
of
a
council
meeting,
so.
C
U
D
So
I
just
wonder
if,
if
it
would
be
moving
forward
best
practice
for
us
to
hold
hearings
separately,
so
we
can
allow
for
the
purpose
of
the
hearing,
which
is
to
hear
both
set
both
ways
to
have
that
dialogue
for
once.
So
that
ends
my
point
of
information.
W
R
I
don't
think
that
they
should
be.
I
think
it
should
be
more
directly
if
we
have
staff
here
on
hand
to
answer
the
questions.
I
think
that
out
of
respect
to
our
residents
who've
come
out
here
this
evening
we
should
take
the
questions,
have
them
go
home
and
then
go
look
for
it
at
some
given
point
in
time
on
a
website.
I
think
that
questions
should
be
asked
here
now.
C
I
Option
because
I
would
not
like
to
be
here
until
one
in
the
morning
and
but
I'm
happy
to
have
people
have
their
questions
answered.
I
If
we
pass
the
consent
agenda
and
we're
not
going
to
talk
to
death
about
every
topic
on
the
present,
we
can
maybe
get
through
questions
and
the
meeting.
I
am
concerned
we're
not
going
to
get
through
all
people
if
he
has
two
pages
of
questions,
there's
no
way
staff's
going
to
answer
two
pages
of
questions
in
two
minutes
and
that's
just
not
going
to
happen
and
if
we
have
people
on
the
phone
you
know
everyone
here.
I
I'm
assuming
has
a
question
and
staff
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
answer
every
question
and
then
people
might
want
to
have
a
follow-up
question,
and
I
mean
I
just
and
I'm
happy
to
have
that
happen.
But
I
don't
know
if
we
can
have
that
happen
and
do
the
consent
agenda
and
I'm
assuming
from
the
look
of
the
consent
agenda.
I
A
R
A
M
I
I
do
I
do
want
to
have
everyone
have
their
questions
answered.
I
completely
agree
with
alderman
fleming.
Excuse
me
councilmember
fleming,
but
I
do.
I
think
that
people
will
have
detailed
questions
and
they
should
get
a
thorough
answer
and
that
way,
if
it's,
if
we
take
up
council
members,
suffered
and
suggestion,
then
it
isn't
just
the
people
who
are
listening
here,
but
it
will
be.
All
of
these
questions
can
be
published
on
our
website
and
there
and
then
spread
throughout
the
community.
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
to
take
these
questions.
M
Let
the
staff
really
dig
into
them
follow
up
if
necessary
and
then
have
these
questions
on
the
the
city's
website.
So
I,
and
also
because
we
do
have
a
full
council
meeting
tonight
so
that
nothing
is
rushed.
People
do
get
an
an
adequate
answer
to
their
tiff
questions.
I
would
suggest
that
we
follow
council
members
suffered
in
suggestion.
A
Okay,
so
I.
N
N
I
think
the
concern
is
that
people
have
tried
to
get
information
from
staff
and
because
of
you
know,
other
commitments
they've
been
able
to
get
the
information
in
in
a
timely
manner,
and
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
nice,
that
we
have
staff-
and
we
have
the
tiff
consultant
here-
is
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
answer
a
lot
of
the
questions
as
we've
seen
when
it
was
our
turn
to
ask
questions
right,
so
they
had
questions,
they
didn't
know
it
then
paul
zamazak.
You
know
director.
N
Economic
development,
as
your
pause
alma
zach,
said
well
I'll,
get
back
to
you,
councilmember
reed
on
that.
So
the
same
thing
can
be
done
here.
If
they
don't
have
the
answer,
then
they
could
draft
something
and
put
it
in
writing,
but
I
would
suspect
mo
I
mean
you
know
they
both
do
this
professionally.
They
have
a
lot
of
the
answers
within
them.
N
If
given
the
opportunity,
I
think
they
could
answer
most
of
these
questions
tonight
and
the
audience
members
here
could
leave
with
that
information,
as
opposed
to
waiting
for
something
to
happen
that
doesn't
really
have
a
defined
process
we've.
I
don't
think
ever
really
done
that.
Well,
that's
one
of
the
biggest
things
we
hear
is
the
lack
of
a
community
engagement
process.
So
now
we
want
them
to
trust
the
process
that
one
doesn't
exist,
but
that
we
don't
necessarily
do
that.
Well,
so
that
would
be
my
concern
they're
here.
N
You
know
why
not
do
yeah.
So
that's
my
concern.
A
All
right,
so,
let
me
ask
for
a
show
of
hands
from
the
council
members.
There's
going
to
be
three
options
to
to
contemplate,
raise
your
hand
fred
most
one
of
the
three
please.
The
first
option
is
what
you
might
call
the
council
member
suffered
an
option
of
answers
in
writing
later
on.
A
The
next
option
is
what
you
might
call
the
the
vasilico
option
of
of
just
do
the
public
comment
during
the
course
of
the
hearing
at
length
with
the
back
and
forth
required
to
get
answers
and
one
you
might
call
the
council
member
fleming
option
of
do
that,
but
after
we've
exhausted
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
So
if
you
want
to
go
with
option
one
as
proposed
by
saffron,
please
raise
your
hand.
D
D
Allowing
this
extra
time
for
public
comment,
no
well,
so
one
if
we
noticed
that
during
a
council
meeting
folks
get
three
minutes,
maybe
they
just
get
three
minutes
to
speak
whatever,
whether
it's
for
this
hearing
or
not
as
that's
what
oma
would
require
us
to
do
since
we
didn't
have
these
rules
or
if
we
are
doing
what
you're
saying,
which
is
giving
an
extended
amount
of
time
to
speak.
D
This
should
just
be,
I
think,
formalized
into
emotion.
So
there
is
more
of
a
definite
requirement
that
we
are
committing.
This
council
is
saying
that
we
are
going
to
respond
to
each
one
of
these
questions
that
are
posed
in
writing
or
within
the
whatever
time
frame,
which
I
believe
should
be
three
minutes.
Given
all
my
requirements,
I
mean
this
is
technically
a
part
of
the
council
meeting,
so
you
get
three
minutes.
Mr.
U
So
the
rule
regarding
public
comment
in
the
city
council
rules
for
public
comment
that
limits
the
three
minutes
is
for
the
regular
city
council
meetings
oma
nor
the
statute
regarding
tiff
does
not
mandate
how
much
time
the
public
gets
for
public
comment.
U
A
Councilman
kelly-
and
I
I
would,
for
the
sake
of
clarity,
happily
entertain
a
motion
like
the
one
that
council
member
be
outlined.
Okay,.
R
And
I
think
we
need
to
understand
what
a
hearing
is
and
a
hearing
really
requires
the
opportunity
for
meaningful
participation
and
meaningful
participation
includes
input.
It's
not.
This,
isn't
a
city
council
meeting.
We
have
to
really
understand
what
a
hearing
is
about
and
that's
what
a
hearing
is
supposed
to
be
about
meet
an
opportunity
for
meaningful
participation
which
includes
input.
D
A
U
A
E
Mr
mayor,
you
were
suggesting
two
minutes
for
this
was
your
original
thoughts.
I
I
will
make
a
motion
that
we
allow
speakers
during
the
tiff
hearing,
two
minutes
to
say
whatever
they
want
make
comments
and
questions
and
that
any
questions
they
pose
be
addressed
in
writing
by
staff
and
those
responses
posted
in
a
timely
manner
on
the
website.
A
So
council
member
newsman,
makes
this
motion
that
we'll
have
two
minutes
and
that
all
questions
that
are
posed
in
word
verbally
during
the
course
of
that
time
will
be
answered
in
writing
by
staff
within
two
weeks.
Councilman.
Pardon
me,
council,
member
reid
seconds
clerk
mendoza
points
out.
People
have
the
right
have
always
had
and
continue
to
have
the
right
to
submit
questions
in
writing
which
could
be
added
to
that
list,
and
will
the
clerk
call
the
role
please.
A
On
a
vote
of
six
to
two,
the
motion
passes
and
so
we'll
move
forward
with
two
minutes
per
person.
Questions
will
be
compiled
and
will
be
responded
to
within
two
weeks.
In
writing.
Those
responses
will
be
made
public
to
the
whole
community.
I'll
start
your
clock
over
mr
vasilco
for
obvious
reasons
and
go
ahead.
V
Well,
my
overwriting
point
was
exactly
that
that
these
two
meetings
should
not
have
been
on
the
same
day
on
the
same
night
got
a
long
council
agenda.
This
is
an
important
hearing.
I
think
the
city
manager
knew
that
these
two
discussions
would
take
a
long
time
and
I
think
it
was
irresponsible
to
join
them
as
one
meeting
that's
point,
one
I'm
still
going
to
run
out
of
time,
but
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
of
my
comments.
V
I'm
asking
you
not
to
accept
or
place
the
tiff
documents
on
file.
I'm
asking
you
not
to
release
staff
to
proceed
further
other
than
to
direct
staff
to
conduct
a
series
of
city-wide
tiff,
open
town
house
meetings
that
everyone
could
participate
in.
None
other
wars
should
be
excluded
from
this,
even
though
you
know
I'm
in
the
sixth
ward,
you
know
we're
not
adjacent.
V
V
V
V
A
A
A
A
AA
Okay,
first:
shame
on
you
on
doing
this.
The
way
you're
doing
it-
and
I
you
know
this-
should
be
a
public
hearing
as
a
7th
ward
resident.
I
received
a
city
letter
which
says
the
tif
does
not
directly
affect
my
property,
but
every
time
taxes
are
extracted
from
schools
in
the
city
to
be
diverted
to
a
tif
fund,
all
the
other
evanson
taxpayers,
foot
the
bill
for
expenses
and
rising
costs
for
schools
in
the
city.
So
I
would
say
yes,
every
tift
directly
impacts
every
resident's
tax
bill
and
for
many
many
years
to
come.
AA
My
first
question:
what
are
the
projected
increment
revenues
to
the
proposed
fund
for
the
next
five
years
in
the
area
east
of
ridge?
One
acre
of
developed
land
for
new
construction
generates
an
average
of
between
250
and
thousand
dollars
per
acre
in
property
tax
revenue,
just
like
the
old
kendall
college
site,
which
did
not
need
a
tiff
and
generates
over
three
six
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
every
year.
Three
more
questions:
how
much
public
land
is
east
of
the
tracks?
Two
can't
we
create
a
plan
which
is
fed
by
the
tax
revenue
from
the
developed
land.
AA
If
the
community
decided
to
sell
public
land
also,
can
we
allocate
a
percentage
of
the
43
million
federal
government
american
rescue
plan
to
specific
needs
of
the
fifth
ward
right
now
the
city
has
been
throwing
away
over
eight
hundred
ninety
thousand
dollars
into
mccullar
park
in
the
seventh
ward.
The
park
needed
some
repairs
for
the
playground,
equipment,
regulate
to
small
areas
and
resurface
the
basketball
area.
There
was
absolutely
no
need
for
the
extensive
demolition
work
and
reconstruction
from
scratch.
AA
X
AA
AB
AB
I
talked
to
council
councilman
council
attorney
cummings
today,
and
he
said
he
believed
that
there
would
be
no
limit
on
public
comment
for
the
tiff
hearing.
It's
a
hearing.
Okay,
it's
not
a
council
meeting.
I
understand
three
minutes
for
a
council
meeting.
I
accept
that.
That's
fine!
I've
been
asking
for
four
years
for
a
conversation.
AB
This
is
the
closest
that
we've
come
for
a
conversation.
I
was
looking
forward
to
have
a
conversation
which
I
listen
to
all
of
you
have
with
paul
zamozek
and
the
other
gentleman
for
two
hours
and
now
you're
gonna,
give
me
two
minutes
to
speak
and
what
another
six
people
here,
two
minutes
to
speak!
No,
that's
not
right!
Y
AB
Please,
in
the
name
of
good
government,
ensure
that
evanston
residents
receive
the
transparency
of
the
various
plans
that
they
deserve
surrounding
the
proposed
tiff.
There
must
be
plans,
economic
and
social,
which
addresses
some
of
the
many
issues
which
are
wrapped
up
in
this
tiff
that
can
be
put
on
the
table.
Tiffs
are
supposed
to
be
used
in
blighted
areas
or
areas
which
are
in
danger
to
becoming
blighted,
then,
with
the
use
of
tiff
financing,
the
areas
will
redevelop
and
have
a
tax
base
10
seconds,
which
will
increase
great.
I
read
you
four
sentences.
AB
I
got
a
half
a
page
to
read
I'll
come
back
and
when
I
have
my
three
minutes
to
speak
at
council
to
finish
this
letter,
but
this
is
nonsense.
Okay,
to
have
a
a
tiff
hearing,
a
supposed
tiff
hearing
and
I
said
to
councilman
cummings.
I
said
if
you're
going
to
have
a
tiff
hearing
the
same
evening
that
you're
having
a
council
meeting
will
be
here
till
one
o'clock
in
the
morning.
This
is
nuts.
AB
AC
I
too,
I'm
very
disappointed.
I
was
told
numerous
time
this
was
question
and
answer
and
as
well
as
comment,
I
hope
that
doesn't
count.
My
time
is
going
okay,
so
this
tip
is
wrapping
itself
around
so
many
important
community
issues
and
has
an
unprecedented
amount
of
public
land
in
locations
which
don't
need
tiff
intervention.
AC
This
appears
to
be
robert
crom
financial
fia
fiasco
on
steroids.
As
you
recall,
we
started
that
project
with
10
or
12
million
dollars,
which
the
city
was
going.
The
taxpayers
were
going
to
be
responsible
for
and
ended
up
costing
taxpayers
54
million
dollars.
The
excuse
was
that
they
didn't
have
a
plan
before
they
started.
AC
AC
1717.
I
have
been
in
real
estate
for
40
years
up
and
down
the
north
shore.
I've
been
running
around
evanston
for
the
same
amount
of
time.
I
have
seen
nothing,
but
prices
go
up
and
there
is
no
way
that
this
is
a
blighted
area
or
in
and
not
appreciating
the
way
that
other
areas
are.
This
is
the
kane
mckenna.
AC
I
really
would
love
to
go
head
to
head
and
go
over
that
report
with
them,
because
there's
so
many
things
that
are
so
wrong
with
that
and
I'm
I
feel
angry
because
I
really
thought
we
were
going
to
have
a
discussion.
This
is
disappointing
and
I
hope
we
have.
I
really
hope
we
have
some
town
halls,
because
this
is
publicly
and
you
got
more
unprecedented
acres
of
public
land,
our
seat
of
government,
and
we
are
limiting
our
service
to
two
minutes.
This
is
not
good.
AE
At
this
point,
I
feel
like
I'm
just
echoing
the
consensus
in
the
room
that
we
are
all
significantly
disappointed
with
the
way
we
we
went
tonight
again.
We
saw
the
last
four
years
of
minimal
public
participation
residents
feeling,
like
their
voices,
weren't
heard,
and
we
continue
to
do
that
tonight.
AE
AE
You
know
I've
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
tiffs,
I'm
a
sociology
minor
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
when
it
comes
to
urbanization
and
sort
of
the
history
here
in
chicago
and
as
well
as
here
in
evanston,
we've
seen
that
tips
have
had
negative
impacts
to
people
of
color,
plain
and
simple.
The
data
is
on
our
side,
not
on
the
side
of
tiffs.
AE
We've
seen
that
and
I
quote,
low-cost
residential
units
are
demolished
under
the
guise
of
slum
clearance,
but
they
are
generally
not
replaced
with
low
cost
units.
Instead,
middle
income
or
high
income
units
are
built
in
their
place
and
we
currently
see
that
the
fifth
ward
is
already
on
the
pathway
to
being
completely
gentrified.
We've
seen
a
diminishing
black
population
throughout
the
last
10
to
20
years,
and
I
know
that
we
have
assurances
that
we're
not
going
to
be
demolishing
buildings.
AE
Instead,
the
focus
is
going
to
be
on
rehabbing
buildings,
and
that
raises
the
question:
what
about
property
taxes
when
those
property
values
increase
those
property
taxes
increase?
Can
those
people
in
the
fifth
ward
afford
those
rising
property
tax
increases?
No,
they
will
be
priced
out
of
the
fifth
ward
and.
AE
To
be
gentrified
for
the
coming
future,
I'm
asking
that
we
have
safeguards
in
place
that
we
combine
this
with
community
land
trusts.
In
order
to
hold
these
low-cost
units,
these
prices
down
do
whatever
we
can
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
pricing
our
black
residents
in
the
fifth
ward.
Thank
you.
AF
AF
90
million
on
the
table,
I've
researched
this
financial
product,
I
trade
stocks
and
mutual
funds,
and
what
it
is,
is
it's
borrowing
money
from
the
city
coffers,
giving
it
to
developers
and
we're
borrowing
against
our
education,
police
and
fire.
That's
what
it
is.
It's
a
not
transparent
product
bloomberg
business
calls
this.
The
developer's
friend
paul
valas,
former
head
of
chicago
public
schools,
is
negative
on
it,
as
well
as
tom
tresser
from
city
lab.
These
are
white,
guys
who
are
saying
this
is
racist.
It
is
not
in
your
best
interest.
AF
There's
there's
problems
all
over
all
over
the
place
and
in
no
way
did
I
hear
this
product
explained
clearly
tonight
about
how
this
works
and
if
daniel
was
teaching
a
math
lesson-
and
I
know
he
wouldn't
do
this
this
way
that
would
be
like
every
student
in
the
class
would
flunk
and
all
the
council
members,
if
you
don't
understand
this
financial
product,
you
have
the
right
to
recuse
yourself
from
voting
on
this,
you
cannot
vote
on
something
that
you
don't
understand.
AF
High-Level
people
don't
understand
this
financial
product
because
it's
clear
as
mud
and
it
stinks
in
most
cases,
people
are
saying
this
is
a
bad
thing
to
do.
It
would
be
better
to
have
a
pta
bake,
sale
or
a
boy
scout
wreath
sale
than
do
this
or
do
nothing,
but
this
is
not
what
we
want
to
get
into.
This
is
a
bad
deal.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
now
move
to
remote
comments,
the
first
of
which
is
by
ms
betty
esther.
AG
Good
evening,
I
listened
to
the
presentation
on
the
tip
and
the
conversation
between
the
alderman
and
the
comments
made
so
far.
The
one
thing
that
I
asked
my
argument
was
for
information
on
that
tip:
give
information
to
the
community.
As
of
today,
we
have
not
received
that
information
asked
them.
How
was
that
information
going
to
be
impacted
to
us?
One
thing
that
he
said
then,
at
the
ward
meeting
and
tonight
that
part
of
this
test
money
can
be
folded
into
the
older
fifth.
AG
So
this
tip
that
is
being
made
tonight
is
to
finish
creating
the
project
and
implement
instruction
that
they
wanted
to
do
in
the
first
step,
because
if
you
remember
on
emerson
from
west
asbury
to
jackson
and
then
right
at
there
at
wesley
and
jackson,
that
was
a
proposed
development
that
would
have,
if
had
been
built,
would
have
created
at
some
housings
and
stuff.
But
it
wouldn't
it
didn't,
go
with
what
the
neighborhood
wanted.
So
they
said.
No,
we
don't
want
this
type
of
building
here,
so
that
project
died.
A
AG
AG
And
why
should
we
have
to
suffer
for
somebody
else
that
doesn't
live
here
and
don't
care
about
us
and
has
never
cared
about
us?
And
now
you
say
you
do
as
bull
crap
so
have
the
public
comments
meeting
like
you
were
supposed
to,
like
you
did
with
the
last
year
and
also
with
the
tip
over
there
in
the
third
ward,
there
was
supposed
to
be
community
meetings
around
the
fifth,
not
in
award
meetings,
but
separate
community
needs.
You
can
at
least
give
us
that.
AG
A
AD
Okay,
I
will
run
through
this.
I
had
a
few
questions,
but
I'll
just
throw
out
the
one
question
I
did
go
on
three
tours
three
tif
tours
and
I
went
on
two
of
them
with
all
the
person
bobby
burns
and
he
showed
me
areas
that
I
remember
seeing
run
down
from
when
I
was
a
young
girl,
and
I
won't
tell
you
how
old
I
am,
but
that's
how
long
these
areas
have
needed.
AD
Work
have
needed,
repair
have
needed
funding,
and
so
on
that
tour
with
him,
I
totally
have
belief
in
faith
in
alderman
burns
and
his
vision,
and
he
does
care
about
his
ward,
his
community.
He
cares
about
evanston,
but
I
know
that
the
feedback
from
the
people
is
that
they
do
not
trust
other
parts
of
the
city
council
and
their
concern
is
there's
money
on
the
table
right
now.
There's
43
million
on
the
table
right
now.
AD
AD
AD
With
the
constituents-
but
I
say,
there's
money
on
the
table
now:
why
not
use
it
now,
if
you
care
so
much
about
the
fifth
ward,
do
it
now.
Y
Okay,
democracy
comes
from
a
greek
word:
demos,
which
means
people,
and
one
of
the
problems
I
have
with
this
tip
is
that
it
has
not
involved.
The
people
of
this
is
not
a
public
area.
This
is
a
council
meeting,
and
so
therefore
there
should
be
a
separate
public
hearing
on
this
thing.
This
does
not
qualify
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
concerned
about
for
some
times.
The
other
city
council
is
that
it's
not
transparent.
Y
One
of
the
other
problems
I
have
is
the
criteria
obsolescence
assets
and
grouping
community
planning.
The
community
planning
was
put
together
sometime
ago
by
a
local
group
that
was
not
implemented,
so
there
has
been
community
plan.
Excessive
grouping
came
from
the
fact
that
they
wanted
to
move
the
blacks
into
one
area,
so
the
r5rs7
et
cetera,
zoning
is
in
the
black
fifth
ward
because
they
wanted
to
segregate
it
and
that's
the
area
I
grew
up
in
the
other
problem.
Is
your
obsolescence?
Y
Y
A
We'll
come
back
to
her
later
on.
The
next
speaker
is
darlene
cannon.
AH
Later,
okay,
I'm
speaking
about
tip
four
fifth
ward,
10th
tips
are
inherently
racist
and
displaced
black
and
brown
and
low-income
folks.
The
fifth
ward,
tif,
doesn't
have
a
clear
plan
and
this
tif
has
a
lot
of
public
land
that
is
not
blighted,
and
that
is
the
description
of
attack.
AH
There's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
a
school
in
the
fifth
ward,
I
haven't
heard
district
65's
board
give
their
blessings
that
they
were
in
favor
of
moving
on
a
school
and
it's
my
understanding
is
that
the
approval
has
to
come
from
the
board.
AH
Currently,
there's
a
lot
of
development
coming
to
the
fifth
ward,
like
the
brewery
that
sold
on
ashland
for
1.5
1.4
million
dollars,
which
is
general,
which
will
be
generating
a
lot
of
revenue
and
then
there's
the
new
town
homes
on
jackson
in
between
jackson
and
wesley,
which
are
going
to
probably
be
in
the
prices
of
400
and
and
up,
which
means
that,
and
I
want
to
know
what
are
we
doing
to
ensure
that
black
people
won't
continue
to
be
displaced
in
the
ward,
because,
as
it's
been
previously
stated,
the
gentrification
process
is
almost
complete.
AH
Lastly,
the
development
at
1813
ridge
and
right
now
they're
only
paying
like
45
000,
because
it
was
an
empty
lot,
but
we'll
be
getting
like
10
times
that
amount.
So
that's
about
500,
000
that'll
be
coming
on
to
the
tax
rolls
and
I
just
want
to
know
like
our
school
district's,
okay
with
not
for
missing
out
on
335
000
like
each
year
from
just
one
property.
Is
this
acceptable
to
them?
What
it
is?
AI
Hey
there,
I
know
this
study
area
pretty
well,
I've
knocked
on
hundreds
of
doors
and
hundreds
of
community
meetings
and
attended
in
this
district.
I
personally
explored
buying
or
renting
residential
office
and
potential
indoor
recreational
space
within
it.
The
proposed
district
violates
statutory
standards
as
well
as
the
overall
intent
of
the
statute.
The
area
covered
easily
attracts
development,
interest
and
funding
and
doesn't
require
tax
and
increment
financing.
To
do
so,
it
also
received
a
lot
of
nsp2
development
money.
AI
Now,
it's
true
that
sometimes
not
all
parcels
in
the
district
will
meet
all
the
standards,
but
I've
never
seen
a
tif
district
in
evanston,
maybe
anywhere
else
where
half
or
more
of
it.
Wouldn't
the
main
reasons
that
property
in
the
study
area
doesn't
have
more
development
is
not
because
of
blight,
but
because
the
largest
properties
in
the
district
are
public,
including
an
historic
building
that
the
people
of
evanston
voted
overwhelmingly
to
preserve
and
another
that
residents
advocate
to
have
landmark
another
one's
owned
by
northwestern
another
large
parcel
is
railroad
right
away.
AI
The
general
area
within
and
near
the
district
that
isn't
redeveloped
and
not
public
includes
a
large
number
of
churches,
so
many
that
the
city
with
the
support
of
the
fifth
alderman
at
the
time
changed
the
zoning
to
make
it
more
difficult
to
open
any
new
ones.
East
of
green
bay.
The
homes
include
a
large
number
of
student
rentals
within
former
single
family
homes
and
duplexes.
It's
lucrative
for
landlords
and
highly
sought
after
but
development's
been
historically
limited
by
cities
owning
the
cap.
AI
The
number
of
inhabitants
presidents
have
been
correctly
concerned
about
gentrification
at
the
former
national
telesite.
There
was
foot
dragon
by
the
city
that
was
obstructionist
to
getting
developed
and
in
general,
there
are
properties
in
this
district
that
are
just
overpriced
and
under
marketed.
Some
land
owners
simply
ask
too
much
money
and
let
property
sit
vacant.
The
prices
and
the
rents
do
not
reflect
light
or
any
of
the
need
for
tax
increment
financing.
AI
Okay,
then,
let
me
finish
by
saying
that
I
I
do
object
to
the
way
this
is
being
handled
when
it's
supposed
to
be
a
hearing.
I
agree
with
the
objections
and
requests
the
record
be
kept
open
for
the
submission
of
written
testimony.
Two
minutes
per
speaker
is
not
meaningful
public
participation
and,
most
importantly,
because
the
council
is
the
decision
maker,
it
prevents
the
development
of
an
accurate,
factual
record
on
which
this
council
and
possibly
a
future
court,
must
realign.
Thank
you.
AJ
I
was
speaking,
I
didn't
know
that
I
was
in
muted.
Can
you
hear
me
now
sure
can
sorry
about
that?
Okay,
sorry,
the
new
tiff
plan
is
unknown
by
the
majority
of
the
people
in
the
fifth
ward.
Not
all
have
newspapers
nor
access
to
internet.
The
tiff
is
not
what
residents
asked
for
or
wanted
or
needed.
It
is
the
plan
for
developers
hired
by
some
or
the
or
to
keep
their
jobs
or
for
personal
profit.
AJ
One
example
of
this
is
the
property
at
jackson
and
on
emerson
also
boarded
up
and
depriving
the
poor
who
used
to
live
there
of
a
place
to
live
within
their
means.
In
the
meanwhile,
the
poor
and
underserved
citizens
go
wanting
with
promises
to
have
housing
the
priority
of
the
new
council
null
and
void.
The
tip
will
be
voted
on
by
the
entire
council,
which
covers
the
whole
city
of
evanston,
but
the
majority
of
the
black
people,
the
residences
and
business
affected,
will
be
the
black
citizens.
AJ
The
hip,
hop
mural,
a
dodge
and
emerson,
was
replaced
with
a
low
brick
wall
of
evanson's
historic,
important
people
to
the
community,
the
black
community,
which
will
soon
be
the
same
thing
when
they
pick
up
the
sign
from
in
front
of
the
civic
center.
That
says,
lorraine,
morton,
the
those
were
that
wall
has
wiped
out.
That
wiped
out,
like
the
tif
plan
looks
like
will
happen
to
the
black
american
community
here
in
evanston.
AJ
How
many
times
was
it
mentioned
that
the
ingram
park
was
not
going
to
be
touched?
Let's
hear
the
same
thing
about
historic
fifth
ward
residents
and
the
places
that
are
important
to
us,
so
many
of
them
have
already
disappeared
and
it
looks
like
this
is
what's
on
the
books
for
more
to
be
removed
and
people,
especially
the
black
people.
Thank
you.
AK
Yes,
good
evening,
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
the
city
of
evanston
should
be
concerned
more
with
this
with
the
people
in
the
lords,
and
it
appears
that
the
people
should
be
benefiting
from
the
tif
funds
like
rents
and
housing.
They
want
to
put
up
these
high-rise
buildings
and
we're
saying
that
it
should
go
to
a
type
of
buildings
like
two
flats
where
the
the
owner
could
have
income
as
a
revenue
for
them
to
be
an
entrepreneur.
AK
We
have
suffered
from
the
high-rises
across
the
alley
from
us
that
was
created
on
the
last
tip
and
we're
concerned
with
them
continuing
to
continue
the
plan.
To
add
to
this,
there
have
been
all
kinds
of
crimes
committed
in
the
buildings
that
they
built
from
the
tiff
money.
AK
We,
it
seems
like
we're
getting
information
from
the
staff
and
from
the
developers
and
consultants
and
then
handed
down
to
the
residents
and
we're
having
no
say
so
in
what's
needed
in
our
community.
We
know
what's
needed,
we
have
done
surveys
and
we
know
what
people
want
and
no
one
is
taking
the
information
that
we
want
to
give,
and
I
think
that
before
anything
else
is
done,
that
we
should
have
a
town,
hall
or
neighborhood
meeting
where
the
citizens
can
again
put
indicate
what
they
need
in
their
community
to
the
city.
AL
Hi
good
evening
before
you
start
calculating
my
time,
so
am
I
allowed
the
two
minutes
now
and
then
another
three
minutes
later
or
how
is
that
working.
A
As
to
whether
I
mean
there
will
be
responses
and
writing
given
to
questions
that
were
raised
within
two
weeks,
if
council
members
want
to
speak
up
in
between,
they'll
certainly
be
available
able
to
do
so.
I
have
people
who've
signed
up
for
one
hearing,
some
who
sign
up
for
the
other,
some
who
sign
up
for
both.
So
when
we
go
into
regular
public
comment,
I'll
call
on
everybody
who
signed
up
for
regular
public
comment.
A
A
A
AL
I'm
going
to
make
a
comment
twice.
This
is
my
first
conversation,
so
I
would
like
to
say
first
no
notice.
I
have
said
this
many
times.
I
personally
myself
should
have
received
six
notices
about
this
meeting
as
well
as
any
other
meetings
held.
There
was
no
notice
given
for
all
these
other
previous
meetings,
and
you
said
you
put
it
up
in
city
hall.
Well,
we
have
coved
and
then
you
can't
go
to
city
hall.
So
how
are
you
going
to
put
a
notice
in
city
hall
and
expect
people
to
see
it?
AL
So
I
believe
this
whole
process
is
in
violation
for
inadequate
notice
from
the
beginning
and
miss
linwall
and
economic
development
clearly
stated
how
the
notice
success
should
be
received.
I
have
property
in
the
tif
and
never
received
a
notice
about
the
property
in
the
tif.
AL
So
we
need
to
think
about
this
here
about
voting
on
anything
with
improper
notice,
also
affordable
housing,
I'm
sick
of
the
words
affordable
housing
when
you
want
to
put
high-rises
up
and
then
put
two
one-bedroom
units
and
call
it
affordable
housing.
We
already
have
too
much
affordable
housing
that
is
available
in
this
fifth
ward,
and
then
you
keep
wanting
to
disguise
these
projects
and
and
giving
favors
to
people
up.
AL
Also,
we
want
to
need
to
know
about
what
has
already
happened
with
money
such
as
the
10
million
dollars
that
was
put
on
the
roof
of
city
hall
and
now
you're
planning
on
selling
it.
This
money
is
being
shifted
around
recklessly
and
you
need
to
have
more
input
and
there
should
be
meetings,
many
more
meetings
than
this
one,
because
it
was
improper.
AL
A
O
First,
mayor
best,
thank
you
for
giving
us
participation
again.
We,
as
black
members
of
the
fifth
board,
are
being
observers
to
abate
and
switch.
I
was
told
by
many
members
of
hud
earlier
that
your
neighborhood
is
the
prime
neighborhood
for
gentrification.
O
O
I
am
abhorred.
I
am
angry
that
you
disrespect
us
and
that
you
show
no
respect
and
even
when
my
own
alderman
says
he
didn't
even
want
to
hear
comments
from
us
this
evening.
It's
a
travesty
of
democracy
and
I'm
ashamed
of
everyone
on
that
board.
But
I
agree
with
all
the
previous
speakers
and
sicily.
Thank
you.
N
Mr
sutton,
I
was
one
of
the
few
council
members
up
here
that
asked
for
for
this
to
continue
on
as
a
public
hearing
as
I
thought
it
would
be
in
a
manner
that
would
allow
for
both
questions
and
responses,
and
I
voted
no
to
the
scenario
that
we're
operating
in
under
now.
So
I
don't
know
what
you
heard,
but
it
wasn't
for
me
brother.
Thank
you.
P
Council
members,
I
have
lots
of
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
just
limit
myself
to
one
comment
that
I
don't
think
has
been
made,
and
that
is
it.
Several
people
have
said
that
this
would
take
money
from
the
schools
and
it
doesn't
take
money
from
the
schools.
It
takes
money
from
the
residents
of
the
city.
P
Basically,
the
way
that
the
taxes
work,
my
tax
bill
is
90
percent,
either
city
of
evanston
or
the
school
districts,
so
to
the
extent
that
they
are
basically
contiguous
with
each
other.
The
school
district
is
going
to
turn
its
leave
the
levy
over
to
the
cook
county
treasurer
and
that
money
is
going
to
be
on
the
tax
bills,
whether
these
parcels
are
are
included
or
not.
So
basically,
it's
just
moving
money
around
you're
going
to
get
10
million
dollars
from
other
tax
bodies.
P
10
percent
of
the
90
million
dollars,
so
you're
going
to
get
some
money
from
the
mosquito
abatement
district
and
some
money
from
cook
county
in
the
forest
preserve
district.
But
but
the
bulk
of
it
is
just
going
to
come
out
of
other
residents
taxes
and
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
the
I
I
am
in
favor
of
the
things
that
you
say
that
you're
going
to
use
a
tax
tax,
increment
financing
for
but
things
like
workforce
development
and
low
income,
housing,
affordable
housing.
P
AM
I
really
am
with
all
the
other
speakers,
especially
the
residents
of
the
fifth
ward,
who
represent
a
really
great
group
of
people
who
are
trying
their
best
to
have
the
best
done
for
their
community
and
in
essence,
for
the
rest
of
us,
because
the
issues
that
are
in
their
in
the
community
reflect
in
general
issues.
That
should
be
a
concern
to
everyone
and
to
make
it
short,
I
can
give
you
the
analogy
would
be:
why
are
we
putting
vulnerable
residents
at
risk
in
terms
of
economic
development
and
not
providing
any
really?
AM
So
how
are
we
going
to
address
it
with
the
tiff
alone
if
we
don't
adjust
it
to
the
whole
community?
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
our
new
leadership
and
well-being
at
the
fore,
and
I
think
that
how
will
the
year-end
budget
cuts
that
continually
define
health
and
human
services
restore
who
we
are
and
community?
AM
We
want
to
be
especially
transitioning
to
prosperity,
fragile
in
the
wake
of
cobit
19.,
and
I
think
we
lose
sight
of
that
and
we've
come
a
long
way
and
we
have
so
much
further
to
go
and
something
like
this
strikes
me
as
premature
when
we
have
to
really
help
people
right
now
where
they
are.
Thank
you.
AN
Hello,
everybody
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
think
that
I
speak
to
this
primarily
from
an
affordable
housing
perspective,
working
at
connections
for
the
homeless
and
for
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing.
AN
The
three
main
barriers
that
we
typically
see
to
creating
new,
affordable
housing
are
number
one
money
number
two
community
acceptance
community
embracing
the
new,
affordable
housing
and
three
is
really
a
lack
of
intentional
planning
being
ready
to
jump
on
the
opportunity
when
it's
there.
AN
This
is
a
unique
opportunity
to
create
more
affordable
housing.
However,
without
the
community
acceptance
and
without
a
real
plan
for
where
the
housing
should
go,
how
it
should
be
funded,
whether
it's
subsidies
or
new
housing
and
having
a
plan
for
that
not
only
in
the
fifth
ward
but
in
the
rest
of
the
community.
A
A
Jacobs,
okay,
hearing
none,
if
any
of
you
are
having
trouble
connecting
for
technical
reasons
again,
please
do
send
in
comments
or
questions
for
those
of
you
who
didn't
have
a
chance
to
ask
everything
that
was
on
your
mind
during
the
course
of
your
two
minutes.
I
would
also
encourage
you
to
send
questions
in
writing
and,
as
as
you
heard,
the
commitment
was
that
replies
would
be
given
in
writing
within
two
weeks
and
made
available
for
the
whole
community
to
see
seeing
no
others
seeking
to
provide
comment.
I
Just
have
a
quick
question
for
clarification,
and
this
is
how
the
city
manager
is
gone,
but
I
was
just
gonna
there
was
that
timeline.
Is
there
another?
What
is
the
next
step
in
this,
because,
obviously
everyone
who
came
tonight
not
only
did
they
have
questions.
It
sounds
like
a
lot
of
people
have
some
strong
concerns,
and
so
I
I'd
hate
to
put
that
on
just
council
member
burns
to
deal
with
the
award
meeting.
So
what's
the
next
step,
maybe
paul
or
somebody
can
answer.
G
Sure
I
honestly
have
to
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Councilmember
fleming
I
I
really
have
to
yield
to
the
ward
alderman
in
this
case.
The
first
thing
I'm
going
to
do
is
respond
to
all
the
questions,
and
there
were
there
were
some
that
I
understood
were
multiple
pages
long.
I
need
to
see
those
I
I
can
watch
the
video
that
and-
and
I
can
I
can
commit
to
getting
those
answers-
hopefully
quicker
than
two
weeks,
but
it
feels
to
me
going
into
this
meeting.
G
We
had
always
planned
to
have
a
follow-up
meeting
kind
of
led
by
council
member
burns,
so
I
want
to
kind
of
yield
to
that
and
and
figure
out
next
steps,
but
we're
we're
not
in
a
rush
to
you
know
kind
of
quote-unquote
jam
this
through
there's
plenty
of
time
left
to
get
lots
of
public
input
and
to
answer
questions
so.
N
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
to
say
that
that
one
thing
that
I
promise
is
that-
and
this
is
for
everybody-
who's
tuning
in
tonight-
whether
in
well,
really
in
particular
for
fifa
residents.
You
are
never
going
to
catch
me
in
a
position
where
I
am
selling
out
the
ward
and
not
thinking
in
the
best
interest
of
the
ward,
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
I
want
to
make
that
commitment
and
and
make
that
very
clear.
N
I
don't
know
where
these
comments
came
from,
mr
sutton,
I
got
a
lot
of
respect
for
you.
I
don't
know
where
that
came
from,
but
it
was
so
opposite
from
what
I
actually
said,
that
that
is
it's
a
little
frustrating
and
just
concerning
you
know
advocated,
for
which
I
think
everybody
here
in
the
audience
could
attest
to
a
public
hearing
again.
N
That
was
in
line
with
my
expectations,
which
was
questions
and
responses
to
betty,
and
I'm
going
to
finish
up
with
this,
but
with
betty
esther
I
sent
out
in
my
last
newsletter
fifth
ward
newsletter.
I
sent
out
a
frequently
asked
questions.
I
included
a
frequently
asked
questions
document
that
that
said
exactly
what
you
said
you
wanted
when
we
talked
on
the
phone
that
talked
about
the
definitions
of
tiff.
That
answered
frequently
asked
questions.
N
I
made
sure
that
the
this
hearing
was
actually
noticed
on
the
city
of
evanson's
website.
I
can
my
last
fifth
floor
meeting
was
in
large
part
dedicated
to
tiff,
and
we
paul
economic
manager,
development
manager,
paul
zamazak,
was
on
the
meeting.
There
was
40
people
there
to
respond
to
questions
in
the
meeting
and
at
that
meeting,
also
committed
to
holding
a
much
larger,
tif,
tiff
meeting
and
award
and
we'll
do
that
sometime
in
august.
N
So
I
just
I'm
going
to
work
with
paul
zalmazak,
I'm
going
to
work
with
with
the
tiff
consultant
and,
of
course,
the
community
and
try
to
schedule
a
date
sometime
early
next
month,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
proper
notice.
You
know
we
can
even
try
to
send
out
a
postcard,
you
know
and
and
email
and
do
whatever
we
can
to
get
to
get
the
word
out.
N
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
the
members
in
the
room
or
the
community
members
in
the
room
and
the
ones
participating
via
zoom,
that
I
don't
think
two
minutes
of
public
comment
without
any
back
and
forth
is
a
sufficient
and
adequate
public
hearing.
I'm
the
one
who
made
that
motion.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
E
I
made
that
in
an
expeditious
manner,
given
the
agenda
that
we
have
tonight,
so
we
can
get
out
of
here
before
two
o'clock
and
still
have
some
brain
power
left
to
have
other
important
discussions
on
other
items
in
the
agenda.
So
I
don't
want
this
to
be
the
end
of
the
community
discussion
council
member
burns
has
additional
events
scheduled.
E
D
I'll
just
say
as
a
matter
of
practice,
moving
forward
when
we
have
our
next
public
hearing,
we
should
really
the
council
members
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
staff
at
almost
any
point.
So
we
should
certainly,
if
we're
looking
to
cut
time,
cut
the
council
questions
and
just
allow
the
floor
for
for
residents
to
ask
questions,
and
you
know
we'll
we'll
see
this
again
at
some
other
point.
So
I'll
just
leave
my
comments.
There.
R
So
I
mean:
can
we
own
that
it
was
an
error
to
schedule
a
public
hearing
on
tiff,
a
bond
hearing
and
a
city
council
meeting
in
the
same
evening?
Was
that
an
error,
or
was
that
not
I
mean
to
me?
It
seems
like
that
was
not
a
good
idea
and
I
think
it's
important
if
that
was
not
a
good
idea
to
acknowledge
it.
So
we
don't
make
that
mistake
again
in
the
future.
AO
I'm
sure
I
can
address
that
good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
council
totally
understand
the
the
sentiment
and
the
feedback
and
the
concerns,
and
we
can
look
to
switch
up
the
way
we
do
this
in
the
future,
but
we
have
historically
done
this
process
exactly
the
same
way
that
we've
done
it
tonight,
and
so
that
is
the
way
we
proceeded
with
this
evening
and
in
17
years
I've
never
seen
it
done
a
different
way
and
I'm
always
open
to
do
it
different
ways.
A
A
On
a
vote
of
eight
to
zero,
the
motion
passes
and
the
public
hearing
is
closed.
We
move
on
to
the
next
item
of
the
agenda,
which
is
mayor,
announcements
and
proclamations.
I
have
no
announcements.
I
have
no
proclamations.
I
also
wanted
to
speak
briefly
to
what
just
occurred.
A
I
think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
lingering
mistrust
about
the
way
in
which
public
input
is
heard
and
received
and
acted
upon
by
the
folks
that
sit
up
here.
I
think
that
distrust
is
a
defining
characteristic
of
aspects
of
the
relationship
that
exists
right
now.
I
think,
in
light
of
that,
lack
of
trust
is
a
tendency
to
try
to
find
solutions
that
are
kind
of
embedded
in
process.
A
A
I
feel
like
the
the
tools
that
are
given
to
us
by
state
law,
whether
they're,
in
the
form
of
the
public
hearing
we
just
had
or
public
comment,
generally
they're
important,
it's
important
for
us
to
comply
with
state
law.
I
don't
think
that's
where
public
input
needs
to
end
and
I
have
made
an
effort
in
the
couple
of
months.
A
I've
been
mayor
so
far
to
be
completely
accessible
to
anybody
to
hold
public
comments,
or
anybody
gets
a
term
public
meetings
where
anyone
has
to
turn
it
at
a
mic
to
say
yes
to
meetings
to
be
transparent
about
my
views.
I
think
it's
in
all
of
the
different
tools
for
public
input
that
we
have
that
we're
going
to
establish
a
functional
relationship
that
will
that
will
erode
that
kind
of
lingering
distrust
that
we
felt
some
of
in
the
room
today.
A
So
I'll
say,
I
thought
the
decision
that
was
made
about
how
to
handle
public
comment
was
uncomfortable
and
I
understand
why
it
upset
people,
but
I
think
it
was
the
best
of
a
collection
of
bad
options
we
had
because
the
alternative
was
also
not
respectful
to
the
community.
That's
the
alternative
of
having
important
public
business
carried
out
after
midnight.
A
That's
the
alternative
of
having
the
council
fuzzy
in
our
minds
when
it
comes
time
to
act
on
those
public
matters,
and
so
to
me,
the
responsibility
that
places
on
us
is
to
find
continued
mechanisms
to
have
the
dialogue
that
the
public
has
the
right
to
expect.
Some
of
that
will
happen
in
this
room
at
that
podium.
A
Some
of
this
will
happen
in
a
variety
of
other
means,
like
the
ones
that
council
member
burns
outlined,
and
I
think
it's
the
totality
of
all
that
interaction
that
I'm
focused
on
making
sure
is
adequate
and
robust
and
inclusive,
and-
and
I
would
ask
that
folks
in
the
community-
hold
us
accountable
and
hold
us
accountable
to
make
sure
that
we're
having
all
the
conversations
we
need
to
have,
knowing
that
some
of
those
conversations
may
not
happen
in
this
room,
but
are
equally
important
to
the
project
of
making
sure
that
we're
making
decisions
with
the
community's
input
and
values
and
priorities
in
mind
with
that.
A
Thank
you.
So
that
brings
us
to
public
comment
and,
as
I
indicated,
a
number
of
people
indicate
a
desire
to
speak.
Some
who
are
in
the
room,
some
via
zoom,
will
again
begin
with
those
who
are
in
the
room
and
everyone
will,
as
I
indicated,
get
three
minutes.
So
we
begin
with
mike.
V
V
So
this,
in
my
opinion,
city
manager
and
her
staff
are
pushing
too
much
information
in
front
of
you
and
expecting
you
to
rubber
stamp
whatever
they're
asking
for
the
last
election
and
the
city
manager
just
spoke
about
this.
The
last
election
was
about
changing
the
mentality
of
doing
just
that
it
was
about
changing
the
city
manager
methods,
bringing
transparency
to
and
bringing
citizens
into
the
process.
V
That
change
is
needed,
as
it
was
clearly
reflected
tonight.
V
I
brought
attention
to
this
to
to
the
issue
of
debt
in
several
emails
today
and
over
the
weekend,
I
pointed
out
that
when
we
talk
about
debt,
we're
apparently
we're
not
talking
about
the
entire
debt.
V
So
this
you
know
the
cfo,
the
city
manager
never
talk
about
that.
We're
always
talking
about
little
bits
and
pieces
of
the
debt,
but
we
have
a
huge
debt,
and
so
when
we
ask
for
more
debt,
more
geo
bonds
to
be
spent,
we
should
be
thinking
of
that
in
terms
of
how
that's
adding
to
the
bigger
picture,
the
much
bigger
picture
that
nobody
likes
to
talk
about.
V
So
if
you
look
on
page
48
of
161
of
the
geo
bond
document,
you
know
staff
is
asking
you
to
approve
250
000
to
renovate
a
fire
station
that
I
believe
had
a
roof
leak
that
was
not
budgeted
for
they're.
Also
asking
you
for
125
000
for
a
service
center
study,
they're
asking
you
to
approve
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
civic
center
planning,
a
design
services
study
and
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
facilities.
Contingency
among
other
non-emergency
funding.
V
Been
brought
to
the
city
council
or
to
the
community
as
a
discussion
to
be
sold,
there
are
other
things
going
on:
there's
another
planned
study
to
fix,
fountain
square
again,
the
architects
and
the
engineers
and
the
contractors
should
be
responsible
for
that
one
year
into
the
robert
crown
palace,
there's
cracking
everywhere
in
the
concrete
who's
going
to
be
paying
for
that.
V
A
AA
Three
issues:
when
you
publish
a
public
notice
in
evanston
now
you
make
it
impossible
for
people
to
read
it,
who
don't,
who
do
not
have
a
paid
subscription,
so
be
aware
of
that.
Secondly,
please
pray
pay
geordi,
the
minuscule
amount
that
is
due
to
him
for
all
his
hard
work
he
performed
for
the
city.
I've
been
a.
I
worked
in
situations
like
his
where
either
I
wasn't
paid,
but
that
was
fine
or
internships
that
were
paid,
but
I
could
always
afford
not
being
paid.
AA
Jody
is
not
in
that
situation.
He
should
be
paid
third
issue.
The
issue
of
noise
and
disruptions
caused
by
the
many
events
hosted
at
the
va
post.
42
has
been
a
big
problem,
especially
for
the
residents
of
the
sicil
apartments
on
central
street
near
the
canal.
This
issue
dovetails
with
the
issue
of
precedent
we
raised
in
various
city
meetings
since
2019
regarding
anu's
two-year
pilot
program.
AA
AA
AB
I've
been
talking
about
it
for
four
years
and
I
don't
know
that
you've
had
conversations
with
your
ad
hoc
committee
with
the
public.
I
I
haven't
heard
any
in
any
case,
I'd
like
to
that's
not
what
I
wanted
to
say
real
quick.
If
I
can
get
rid
to
get
read
this
that
I
started
an
hour
ago,
this
tif
must
not
be
taken
lightly,
as
never
has
so
much
public
and
northwestern
tax
exempt
land
in
an
expensive
neighborhood
been
included
in
a
tiff.
AB
This,
as
you
know,
means
that
there
is
no
current
tax
base
to
help
our
city
and
school
expenses
for
the
next
23
years,
and
the
amount
coming
from
retiring
tiffs
and
27
and
28
are
minimal
compared
to
what
this
land
will
put
potentially
siphon
off
from
the
schools
and
city.
The
potential
negative
ramifications
of
implementing
this
tiff
negatively
impacts
every
taxpayer
and
renter
in
our
city
and
our
city.
AB
We
deserve
discussion
for
what
is
wrapped
up
in
this
tiff,
and
I'm
asking
you
not
to
vote
on
this
tif
tonight,
the
the
fifth
ward,
social
redevelopment
business
districts.
What
is
the
plan?
Affordable,
housing?
What
is
ami
is
it
for
white
or
black
people
where
and
how
much
will
it
cost
lead
pipes?
AB
AB
If
passed
is
going
to
sweep
millions
of
tax
dollars
a
year
into
the
tiff
and
away
from
city
and
school
budgets
for
23
years,
because
the
increment
between
vacant
land
and
occupied
land
is
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars?
The
land
within
the
boundaries
is
not
blighted
and
development
has
been
happening
as
much
as
in
any
other
neighborhood.
There
are
problems
with
individual.
AB
Owners,
but
that
is
not
a
reason
to
create
this
tiff.
This
was
written
by
mary
rozinski,
who
has
40
years
of
real
estate
business
here
in
evanston.
I
would
take
her
words
very
seriously
and
by
the
way,
at
our
second
ward,
tiff
meeting
us,
I'm
sorry.
Well,
it's
prior
to
meeting
there
was
a
co-founder
trish.
Thomas
of
everybody
eats
is
look
at
1611.
AB
A
Thank
you
very
much.
The
last
speaker
for
in
person
public
comment
is
christine
webler.
Is
that
all
right
so
we'll
move
on
to
oh
yep?
A
Oh
sorry!
Well
there
might
be
a
clerical
error,
but
go
ahead.
Mrs
berzinski,
you
can
give
your
your.
C
B
C
AC
This
I
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
with
all
this
is.
This
is
an
all
city
issue.
When
we
talk
about
the
tiff
because
of
the
magnitude
of
the
amount
of
public
land
and
the
fact
that
our
city
hall
is
in
it,
and
I
think
that
we
need
more
than
just
to
have
to
put
all
the
burden
on
council
member
burns
to
educate
and
explore
and
discuss
this
this,
we
are
talking
millions
and
millions
of
tax
dollars
over
23
years,
which
will
be
swept
into
the
tiff
fund.
AC
So
I
I
can't
say
enough
how
much
public
meetings
and
transparency?
I
know
you
all
want
to
go
there.
So
please,
let's
make
those
things
really
really
easy
to
find
out.
They
should
be
in
the
ward
newsletters
that
are
coming
out,
because
we
have
no
other
project
that
is
as
big
as
this
project
is
that's
going
to
rely
on
tax
dollars
and
impact,
so
many
people
I
have
had
now
two
or
three
times
people
say
about
mary
there's
been
many
public
meetings.
AC
I'm
sorry
there
have
not
been
not
that
involved
having
this
report
the
public
meeting.
That
was
on
some
zoom
thing.
I
don't
know
anyone.
I
know
who's
been
interested
in
this.
No
one
knew
about
it,
so
I
don't
know
how
people
found
out
about
it,
but
to
them
I
would
love
the
link
on
it,
but
that
meeting
was
on
the
15th
and
I
think
we
didn't
get
the
real
draft
until
the
23rd.
AC
I
missed
it.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
was
present
at
that
time
and
then
all
that
list
of
notices
that
was
in
the
kane
mckenna
report.
Those
are
notices,
put
up
places.
That
is
not
communicating
with
your
public.
I'm
sorry.
This
reminds
me
of
someone
for
that
robert
crown
don
wilson,
who
used
to
say
well,
there
were
so
many
meetings.
AC
Well,
there
were
24
meetings,
there
were
four
public
meetings
and
everything
else
was
a
stakeholder
meeting
and
you
had
to
have
been
invited
and
when
I
went
to
one
that
I
wasn't
invited
to
and
with
a
number
of
people
we
were,
the
meeting
was
close.
It
was
ended
early
because
there
were
the
questions
from
the
people
who
were
invited
were
asked
and
the
questions
we
were
asking
were
well.
We
weren't
invited
so
the
meeting's
over.
AC
So
this
is
the
sort
of
stuff
I
know
will
not
happen
in
this
console,
because
I
can
see
all
in
your
eyes
you're
like
we
won't
do
that
to
you
guys,
because
the
public
in
this
city
is
amazing
and
as
a
good
friend
of
mine,
laurie
keenan
used
to
say
is
that
the
effort
and
energy
of
the
people
in
this
city
can
run
a
small
country
and
please,
let's
tap
into
it
and
not
step
all
over
it.
Thank
you
so
much.
AC
I
have
probably
one
other
thing,
I'm
so
sorry,
I
want
to
tell
you,
as
you
know,
I'm
in
real
estate
and
this
when
I
was
reading
the
report.
I
could
go
point
by
point
by
point
about
what's
wrong,
but
out
of
the
last
874
properties
that
sold
in
evanston
in
the
last
24
months
over
seven
heaven,
777
of
them
are
over
60
years.
Old
548
are
over
91
years
old,
so
that
is
a
criteria
is
nonsense.
AC
R
As
a
point
of
information
eric,
could
you
tell
us
where
was
this
noticed?
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
about
when
I
heard
evanston
now?
Is
that
the
journal
that
it
was
the
hearing
the
tiffany
or
how
was
it
noticed.
G
Noticing,
city
manager
can
I
respond
on
behalf
of
the
consultants
because
they're
no
longer
on
the
call,
we
typically
don't
ask
questions
during
public
hearing
the
the
the
public
was
mistaken
in
saying
that
it
was
advertised,
and
that
was
and
now
that's
not
true.
It
was
advertised
multiple
times
in
the
evanston
review.
Again
it's
a
state
statute
requirement.
That's
the
minimum,
that's
not
what
we
depend
on
we've.
We've
used
newsletters
we've
gone
18
months
ago
to
the
city
council.
G
We
went
to
fifth
ward
meetings
prior
to
the
city
council
and
we've
had
public
meetings
with
with
the
current
council
member
in
the
fifth
board.
So
we
we've
met
the
minimums,
but
I
would
argue
that
we've
exceeded
the
notice
of
the
same
requirements.
A
You
I
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
move
on
to
the
give
everyone
who
signed
up
for
public
comment
a
chance
to
comment,
but
it's
good
to
note
that
there's
there's
concern
about
this
issue
and
it
bears
being
revisited.
The
next
person
seeking
to
give
comment
is,
as
we
continue
through.
Our
online
commenters
is
jacob
isaacson.
A
Z
It's
it's
shared,
I
believe
so.
I'd
like
to
comment
about
the
proposed
the
proposal.
That's
floating
around
out
there
about
food
trucks
and
parking
on
lakefront
in
the
interest
of
transparency.
Z
I
don't
believe
something
like
this
should
be
done
for
introduction
in
action
on
one
night
with
no
public
notice,
and
my
wife
has
written
a
letter
to
alderperson
nguyen
and
mayor
biss
and
city
council
colleagues
that
my
whole
family
is
signed
upon.
So
I'm
going
to
read
that
briefly.
If
I
can,
we
are
writing
to
express
our
great
concern
for
the
proposal
to
permit
food
trucks
on
evanston's
lakefront.
We
are
especially
concerned
about
the
environmentally
detrimental
impact
this
will
have
on
the
community
and
the
lack
of
study
that
has
gone.
Z
That
has
been
done
on
this
subject.
Without
a
doubt,
food
trucks
will
add
an
increased
level
of
noise,
air
and
solid
matter
waste
pollution,
as
well
as
traffic
to
the
lakefront
and
surrounding
residential
neighborhoods.
This
is
an
enormous
concern
for
evanston,
as
it
is
already
struggling
to
manage
the
solid
waste
manager
manage
solid,
sorry,
the
the
solid
waste
matter
along
the
lakefront.
There
are
food
containers,
beverage
containers,
truck
produced,
ice
cream,
wrappers
and,
and
an
endless
supply
of
a
variety
of
trash
dump
along
lake
front
streets
street
curbs
on
daily
basis.
Z
This
waste
is
not
collected
by
evanston's
waste
management
and
would
remain
there
or
blow
into
the
lake
all
week,
except
for
a
group
of
private
citizens
who
pick
up
and
dispose
of
this
strewn
trash.
Our
lakefront
garbage
cans
are
not
adequate,
numerous
enough
or
serviced
frequently
enough
to
handle
the
garbage
situation
along
the
lakefront.
Z
The
current
the
current
trash
problem
is
a
public
health
crisis
and
a
biohazard
and
people
in
one
lifelong
lakefront
are
suffering
from
it.
There
is
also
a
concern
for
the
traffic
that
these
trucks
will
create.
We
have
lived
in
evanston
long
enough
to
know
that
large
emergency
vehicles
sometimes
need
to
access
lakefront.
How
will
these
food
trucks
and
related
traffic
impact
and
congestion
and
access
for
the
emergency
vehicles
be
impacted?
Z
How
will
these
food
trucks
impact
our
struggling
restaurant
businesses
downtown
if
we
are
truly
trying
to
raise
tax
dollars
shouldn't
we
be
supporting
our
current
brick
and
mortar
restaurant
establishments?
Our
downtown
business
district,
especially
after
the
last
difficult
couple
of
years.
Lastly,
remember
the
20,
the
2004
study
for
the
recommendation
of
a
marina
15.
A
Z
Remember
how
eloquently
alderman
newman
spoke
to
the
city.
He
reminded
us
that
evanston
lakefront
is
not
a
business
district
and
it
is
not
for
sale.
It's
a
precious,
beautiful,
green,
open
space
enjoyed
by
people,
pets
and
wildlife.
Our
treasured
lakefront
should
not
be
traded
away
for
tax
dollars
and
allowed
to
be
degraded
by
increased
environmental
pressures.
Z
AG
Hi
the
I
do
want
to
answer
alderman
burns
question
when
he
stated
that
he
did
send
me
information
about
the
tiff.
I
got
two
emails
from
him
and
I
didn't
get
the
newsletter.
AG
I
don't
know
what
happened.
I
went
looking
for
it,
so
I
didn't
see
the
survey,
but
that's
not
what
I
was
asking
for.
A
survey
was
asking
for
a
document
that
has
that
information
in
me
that
documented
that
y'all
went
over
the
100
pages
from
the
consultants
that
was
to
asking
that
to
be
shared
with
the
community.
AG
He
did
send
me
the
two
email
I
did
send
it
back
and
one
of
us
about
the
april
meeting,
which
was
when
they
went
to
the
state's
general
assembly
of
them
to
okay,
the
tip.
If
the
council
approved
it,
the
other
one
was
a
couple
of
days
and
everything
and
with
the
economic
committee
where
they
would
be
discussing
it,
I
did
go
to
the
economic
committee
and
they
didn't
discuss
it.
It
was
at
the
end.
AG
Oh,
we
have
gone
to
nine
o'clock,
so
we
will
discuss
this
at
the
next
economic
committee
meeting,
which
would
come
after
the
july.
The
12th
meeting,
so
that
was
the
response
I
got
and
to
show
you
that
I'm
not
saying
anything
wrong.
Look
at
my
facebook
page
betty
suester
and
it's
that's
wrong.
Oh
look
up
the
meaning,
but
the
difference
between
community
meetings
and
public
meetings.
AG
A
AG
AP
Barely
but
I'm
here,
I'm
back
on
food
trucks,
food
trucks
are
once
again
on
the
city
council
agenda.
I
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
food
trucks
on
the
lakefront.
So
what's
wrong
with
food
trucks
on
the
lakefront
environmentally
food
trucks
along
the
lake
would
be
a
disaster.
AP
AP
AP
Pittance
amount
will
not
cover
the
added
cost
for
city
staff
to
inspect
the
licensed
truck,
ensure
non-licensed
vendors
not
do
not
set
up
along
the
lakefront
and
ensure
the
removal
of
waste
generated
by
the
trucks
and
patrons
financially
food
trucks.
Make
no
sense,
and
once
again
the
lakefront
master
plan
is
the
planning
document
the
council
should
use
until
that
document
is
changed
and,
according
to
the
lakefront
master
plan,
minor
facilities
have
been
described
as
pre-packaged
or
refrigerated
foods,
drinks
and
necessities
such
as
sunscreen,
while
excluding
significant
facilities
such
as
grills
and
kitchens.
AP
Are
made,
it
is
necessary
to
follow
the
existing
lakefront
master
plan
with
no
compelling
need
and
all
the
detrimental
factors
surrounding
food
trucks.
The
council
should
vote
no
on
food
trucks
and
I
would
agree
tonight.
Would
I
mean
you
can't
do
both
of
them
on
the
same
night
but
vote
it
down
tonight,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
it
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
S
I
am
here,
oh
great,
we
can
hear
you.
Can
you
hear
me
yep
go
ahead,
oh
just
a
moment.
Please
there
we
go
a
good
evening.
I
I
would
like
to
talk
to
speak
to
lakefront
parking
charging
for
parking
along.
Our
lakefront
is
a
first
step
toward
commercializing.
S
What
has
always
been
a
free
and
open
park
just
like
every
other
park
in
evanston
in
general,
charging
for
on-street
parking
produces
two
results,
it
ensures
turnover
and
it
generates
revenue.
Clearly,
this
ordinance
is
not
intended
to
ensure
turnover,
as
that
is
not
an
issue
at
the
lakefront.
Its
sole
purpose
is
to
raise
revenue.
S
The
parking
department
has
given
us
examples
of
communities
that
charge
for
parking
close
to
their
waterfronts
new
buffalo
and
st
joseph
michigan
lake,
geneva,
wisconsin
and
santa
monica
and
long
beach.
California,
the
geography
in
those
communities
is
very
different
from
ours.
In
evanston
I
drove
through
new
buffalo
and
st
joe
last
week.
Their
situations
are
entirely
different
from
ours.
S
S
From
my
experience
with
evanston
parking,
I
doubt
it
and
if
it
doesn't,
will
it
be
a
push
to
charge
everyone
as
suggested
by
councilman
reed?
It
is
ironic
that
while
we
make
the
beaches
more
economically
equitable,
we
are
attempting
to
make
access
to
the
lakefront
parks
less.
So
let
us
remain
a
welcoming
community
and
let
us
keep
our
lakefront
open
and
free.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
in
case
she
is
now
in
the
zoom.
The
next
speaker
is
linda
del
bosque.
Are
you?
Are
you
present
now.
D
AL
AL
What
did
the
city
replace
my
neighborhood
with
for
the
research
perk?
It's
not
affordable
housing.
It's
been
replaced
with
e-2
and
office
space.
None
of
my
old
neighbors
could
afford
to
move
back
on
this
block.
Why
do
you
have
eminent
domain
language
in
the
proposal?
If
you
are
it's
not
a
possibility,
because
you
plan
on
using
it
remember:
cabrini,
green
and
robert
taylor
holmes.
Where
are
those
people
now
replaced
by
luxury
homes
and
not
back
in
the
neighborhood,
be
alarmed
black
people?
Let's
look
locally
at
wesley,
darrow
simpson
foster,
garnett,
etc.
AL
If
you
are
black
and
grew
up
here,
you
know
these
blocks
were
mostly
black
owned
and
now
mostly
white
or
other.
Can
you
afford
to
live
here
again,
black
people?
The
city
is
not
trying
to
help.
You
find
affordable
housing
with
only
77
units
of
affordable
housing
created
in
the
last
18
years
out
of
over
200
2
200
luxury
unit
in
high
rises
city
hall,
prime
property
will
not
be
affordable,
housing
funny
how
the
most
dilapidated
properties
in
the
fifth
ward
is
not
owned
by
a
black
person
on
jackson
and
emerson.
AL
She
continuously
makes
the
fifth
ward
look
like
the
ghetto,
and
the
city
supports
it.
Now,
with
fifth
money,
the
city
officials
continue
to
allow
black
owners
in
the
fifth
ward
to
be
harassed,
while
white
or
other
owners
get
a
free
pass.
Tiff
is
gentrification,
like
another
person
said
why
don't
you
use
arper
money?
Instead,
you
also
mention
many
times
that
emerson
and
asbury
should
get
tiff
money.
AL
O
Okay,
first
mayor
bisque,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
showing
some
sensitivity
and
compassion
to
the
concerns
of
all
the
residents.
It's
been
mentioned
earlier
that
all
the
notifications
have
met
the
state
standards.
It's
one
thing
to
meet
the
state
requirements.
O
O
I
assume
that
you
will
be
doing
everything
in
our
best
interests,
but
past
history
does
not
show
me
when
it
was
mentioned
that
we
were
doing
this
in
accordance
with
the
way
we
did
it
in
the
past.
That
to
me
was
a
justification
for
further
marginalization
and
the
continuous
systematic
racism
that
has
been
perpetrated
on
residents
of
the
fifth
ward,
my
entire
life.
O
Let's
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
have
an
honest
discussion,
let's
get
to
a
point
where
the
people
who
will
be
adversely
affected
will
have
some
kind
of
say
so
in
determining
their
future.
This
I'm
counting
on
you.
We
voted
for
a
more
progressive
city
council
to
consider
our
concerns
not
get
rid
of
us
but
work
with
us.
Thank
you.
AR
Yeah
my
comment
is
pretty
brief,
but
I
just
wanted
a
voice,
strong,
a
vociferous
opposition
to
the
idea
of
selling
the
civic
center.
I
think
it's
completely
ridiculous
and
I
I
just
don't
understand
how
selling
the
civic
center
to
private
developers
is
going
to
help
people
or
the
neighborhood
across
green
bay
road.
It
just
makes
absolutely
no
sense
to
me
and
it
sounds
like
the
way
the
tiff
district
has
been
drawn
is
just
as
basically
a
self-interested
way
for
the
city
to
get
rid
of
a
property
that
it
doesn't
want
to
improve.
AR
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
believe
that
the
three
people
who
were
not
did
not
respond
when
called
on
word
demo.
Broth,
soleus,
jacob,
isaacson
and
linda
del
bosque
are
any
of
the
three
of
you
in
the
zoom.
A
Okay,
I
have
you
only
signed
up
here
for
the
tiff
here
and
which
is
why
but
of
course,
you're
entitled
to
speak
now
as
well.
So
please
please
go
ahead.
AJ
Thank
you.
We,
the
people
of
the
fifth
ward,
ask
for
job
training,
housing,
restoration
and
housing
affordable
for
the
people
who
live
here.
It
is
our
those
are
our
main
objectives.
What
we
are
getting
is
a
new
fifth
ward
tip
which
does
not
address
either
or
any
of
those.
What
we
need
is
job
training
with
jobs,
housing
for
the
long
time,
residents,
poor
and
underserved.
AJ
We
black
people
can
take
care
of
ourselves
and
property.
If
we
have
those
goals
met,
please
do
not
vote
for
the
fifth
war
tiff,
even
with
the
city
council
building,
which
is
not
blighted
in
the
tiff
area,
the
tif
is
another
way
to
seal
the
goal
of
gentrification
and
what
was
called
negro
removal.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
unless
I'm
mistaken,
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
public
comment
session
for
the
evening.
A
So
with
that,
we
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
The
only
item
that
I
think
must
be
pulled
off
the
consent
agenda
correctly.
If
I'm
wrong
is
h2
for
which
council
member
council,
member
reed
request
suspension
of
the
rules
for
introduction
and
action,
and
that
would
require
a
separate
vote.
Is
there
anything
else?
People
would
like
pulled
off
the
consent
agenda.
R
A
Sorry
a1
do
you.
I
said
h2.
C
R
A
AI
N
AI
A
A
M
L
A
L
A
C
A
D
C
D
Three
million
one
three
million
one
hundred
and
seven
thousand
four
hundred
eighty
six
dollars
and
thirty
two
cents.
R
A
I
A
question
so
I
I
did
see
the
email
with
invoice
mike
have
several
concerns,
but
one
concern
is
if
this
isn't
approved
at
the
new
amount.
Where
does
the
funding
come
from?
Because
I
realize
that
the
city
clerk's
office
from
last
term
doesn't
have
quite
the
budget
it
had
many
years
ago,
and
so
I
do
not
want
to
hinder
clerk
mendoza
and
her
abilities
to
pay
for
something
that
was
not
a
service
that
she
acquired
or
she
benefited
from
or
whatever.
D
It'll
come
from
one.
I've
spoken
with
clark
mendoza
about
this
expenditure.
It'll
come
from
the
general
fund,
as
the
clerk's
budget
comes
from
the
general
fund
and
it'll,
I
think
it'll
appear
as
either
from
the
general
fund
or
as
an
item
in
the
clerk's
office's
budget.
B
B
Ninety
nine
dollars
and
with
the
expenses
of
the
codifying
our
city,
ordinances
and
resolutions
of
the
work
of
this
council,
we
would
not
have
any
money
left
would
actually
be
over
budget
in
the
clerk's
office
and
I'm
actually
at
right.
Now,
still
I'm
asking
for
more
money
for
our
office
for
an
additional
staff
member.
So
at
that
point
we
would
be
way
over
budget
and
we
would
need
the
approval
of
the
city
manager
for
that.
D
Point
of
information,
so
you
wouldn't
need
the
approval
of
the
city
manager.
You
need
the
approval
of
council
and
I
think,
if
council's
voting
to
pay
this,
we
we
all
understand
what's
going
on
here
and
so
I
think,
we'll
be
able
to
make
any
appropriate
judge
adjustments
to
your
budget
to
to
allow
for
the
spending
minus
the
the
three
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
five
dollars.
M
U
So
it's
a
complicated
answer
councilmember
when
excuse
me,
so
as
I
opined
previously
the
fact
that
the
previous
council
denied
the
invoice
allowed
the
contractor
to
rely
on
that
action
for
his
own
rights,
meaning
if
he
wanted
to
sue
the
city
for
that
amount.
That's
when
the
clock
started
is
when
the
council
denied
it
so
his
his
rights
then
started
at
that
point
to
exercise
against
the
city.
U
The
other
issue
is
that
it's
an
issue
for
2020
and
we
are
in
2021,
and
so
I
can't
speak
to
the
financial
impact
of
that,
but
that
is
another
complication
in
terms
of
him
submitting
invoice.
However,
lastly,
the
one
thing
that
I
guess
makes
it
a
little
easier
is:
according
to
this
prompt
payment
act,
the
last
city
council,
what
they
did
was
they
failed
to
approve
his
invoice,
and
so
it
can
be
resubmitted,
which
is
what's
happened
now,
but
again,
with
those
caveats
of
you
know
his
his
rights.
M
I
know
I
have
one
other
question
so
if,
by
failing
by
by
refusing
to
approve
it
at
the
last
city
council
during
the
last
city
council,
I,
as
a
member
of
that
city
council,
believe
that
that
was
a
denial
of
payment.
Are
you
saying
that,
by
failing
to
approve
it,
we
didn't
deny
to
pay
it?
M
If
we
had,
I
mean
what
was
any
other
action
available
so.
U
I
don't
recall
specifically
what
the
vote
was.
I
know
that
it
was
pulled
from
the
consent
agenda
and
that
the
invoice
was
not
approved
for
payment
and
that
they
can
and
that
the
bills
list
on
that
particular
date
was
passed
without
payment
of
his
invoice.
However,
if
the
vote
was
an
affirmative
denial
of
his
invoice,
you
are
right
as
that's
final
action
by
the
city
and
that's
why
his
rights
attach,
in
the
sense
that
he
has
the
right
to
take
whatever
means
to
get
recovery
at
that
point
in
time.
However,
so.
M
U
If
the
question,
if
you
want
to
bring
resolution
to
the
matter
tonight,
that
would
probably
be
advisable.
Yes,.
M
So
first
we
would
take
it
out
of
the
bills
list
the
amount
and
then.
M
Already
so
that
I
missed
charles
miss
giles,
you're
you're,
you're,
still
you're
still
a
part
of
our
call.
D
But
it
do
on
also
note
that
we
could
also
end
it
by
just
approving
it
if
we
approve
it,
it
would
also
never
come
back
to
us
again,
so
I
move
approval
of
the
we've
moved
and
seconded
it.
A
Okay,
so
no
one
else
is
seeking
recognition.
Council
member
burns.
N
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
voting
for
this,
because
we
just
shouldn't
be
saving
money
in
this
way
I
know
jordy,
he
did.
The
work.
Did
a
great
job
he's
always
done
a
great
job
for
the
clerk's
office.
N
This
was
at
a
time
where
the
clerk
had
already
had
a
position
reassigned
to
another
department,
had
a
clerk
removed
from
his
department
and
and
and
this
was
as
far
as
I
understand
with
within
the
clerk's
office
budget,
as
we,
you
know,
argue
and
advocate
now,
for
the
clerk
to
have
the
responsibility
to
hire
fire
staff.
N
That's
that's
something
that
the
former
clerk
argued
for
and
if
it's
good
for
our
current
clerk,
I
think
it
was
the
right,
the
right,
logical
thing
to
do
for
our
former
clerk,
so
so
he
did
the
work.
This
is
not
how
our
city
should
be
saving
money.
If
we
want
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen
again,
we
certainly
can
do
that,
but
he
did
the
work
and
and
and-
and
I
think
he
deserves
to
be
paid.
A
Okay,
so
no
no
one
else
is
seeking
recognition
I'll.
Just
I
should
just
add
that
I
made
a
commitment
when
this
came
up
a
few
meetings
ago
to
do
my
own
investigation
and
obviously
you
all
are
free
to
make
up
your
own
minds,
but
just
want
to
share
with
you
kind
of
what
my
what
I
learned
in
that
process.
A
First
of
all,
one
thing
I
think
is
clear
is
that
this
person
did
work
for
the
city,
so
I
did
work
during
the
during
the
time
provided,
and
so
the
question
is
about
whether
the
city
should
be
compensating
the
person
for
for
that
work.
I
think.
Ultimately,
the
question
hinges
on
really
what
councilmember
burns
just
articulated,
which
is
hiring
authority.
In
the
clerk's
office.
A
A
He
was
made
aware
of
that,
but
I
think
again
there
was
a
live
dispute
about
whose
call
that
really
should
have
been,
and
ultimately,
I
think,
where
one
comes
down
on
this
question
should
be
closely
tied
to
where
one
comes
down
on
that
that
question,
as
well
of
whether
hr
was
authorized,
had
the
the
authority
to
determine
whether
this
person
was
brought
on
by
the
clerk's
office.
To
do
this
work
in
exchange
for
compensation,
councilmember,
reed.
D
A
D
I'll
go
on
to
then
ask
council
cummings
about
that
question.
D
So
council
cummings
the
city
manager's
office
under
our
code
and
forgive
me
I
sent
it
to
you
earlier
so
under
code
us
chapter,
one
section,
eight
title,
one,
I'm
sorry
chapter
one
or
title
one
chapter
eight
section:
one:
the
city
manager
is
given
authority
over
various
the
various
departments
of
the
city
and
then
in.
D
D
And
so
theoretically,
because
the
clerk
is
an
independently
elected
official,
yes,
the
code
does
say
that
the
city
manager
may,
or
it
used
to
say
or
fairly
soon
will
used
to
say
that
the
city
manager
can
hire
and
fire
the
deputy
clerks.
D
U
So,
to
the
extent
of
employees,
that's
correct,
but
my
understanding
is
the
contractor
and
con,
and
the
city
manager
has
wide
latitude
over
the
how
contractors
are
compensated
up
to
a
certain
amount,
in
which
case
the
city
council
require
is
required
to
approve
that
expenditure.
U
A
Just
to
add
one
one
important
or
potentially
at
least
important
detail,
I
think
another
relevant
question
is
about
the
the
budget.
So,
as
I
understand
it,
this
expenditure
would
have
exceeded
the
budget
of
the
clerk's
office
at
the
time,
and
so
that's
a
consideration
in
determining
the
appropriateness
of
the
clerk
making
the
hiring
determination
without
input
from
the
outside,
so
that
that's
just
another
relevant
thing
to
consider.
K
Well,
I
just
had
a
question
as
you're
trying
to
jog
our
memory
about
what
happened.
When
was
it?
Is
it
not
true?
We
were,
there
was
basically
a
hiring
freeze
in
for
the
whole
city
staff
and
it
so
this
wasn't
aimed
directly.
You
know,
uniquely
at
the
city
clerk's
office,.
I
I
have
a
legal
question
before
you
call
the
question.
I'm
sorry
one,
I
think
we're
talking
about
something
that
all
of
us
are
familiar
with,
but
maybe
the
general
public
who's
watching
it's
not,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
have
happen
is
that
this
additional
monies
that
we're
talking
about
adding
to
the
bills,
let's
be
put
in
the
public
record
at
some
point,
because
we
are
spending
taxpayer
dollars
and
we
need
to
make
sure
everyone
who
is
paying
into
the
tax
base
understands
what
we're
spending
our
money
on.
I
I
It
just
feels
not
very
transparent,
and
then
I
would
just
my
other
only
point
is
you
know
I
do
think
we
should
pay
people
for
work
they
do,
but
I
also
think
if
someone
as
an
adult
is
told
that
they're
not
going
to
be
paid
for
something
before
they
do
it,
then
they
should
think
through
that
before
they
accept
a
position,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
that
the
person
who
did
the
work
has
some
ownership
here
in
what
they
committed
to
do,
understanding
that
they
were
told
that
they
may
or
or
likely
were
not
going
to
get
paid
for
it.
D
Has
been
called
pointless
information.
D
D
To
the
point
that
was
raised,
there's
is
was
just
a
walk
through
with
corporation
council
cummings
is
that
authority?
The
city
manager
does
not.
L
Have
is.
D
Not
responsible
for
the
clerk's
office,
this
is
not
a
department
of
the
city,
but
what's
also
key
to
note
here
is:
is
that
you
know
there
wasn't
a
documented
hiring
freeze
at
the
time
and
in
fact
there
there
was
hiring
of
of
employees
and
contractors
throughout
the
organization
during
this
time
that
this
hiring
freeze
was
in
place
there.
D
There
are
records
that
indicate
that
and
then
to
the
last
point,
certainly
when
the
council
amends
anything
whether
it's
the
bills
list
or
anything
and
we
vote
on
it,
the
amendment
will
be
reflected
in
what's
actually
passed,
and
so
there
will
be
a.
I
A
We
are
voting
on
the
amended
bills
list.
It
was.
It
was
amended
in
administration
of
public
works,
which
is
why
I
didn't
demand
an
amendment
in
writing.
A
I
would
have,
though,
and
it
is
for
approval
of
the
bills
that
appear
in
the
packet,
in
addition
to
the
compensation
for
the
person
under
discussion
for
the
bulk
of
this
discussion-
totaling
three
million
seven
thousand
four
hundred
and
eighty
six
dollars
and
thirty
two
cents.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Council?
Member?
Okay?
Will
the
clerk
call
the
rule.
D
Z
B
B
I
E
A
D
A
U
So
under
the
current
rules
that,
because
the
other
the
new
rules
haven't
been
approved,
yet
there
are
certain
items
that
can
be
held.
U
Okay,
okay,
I
apologize
so
with
that
being
said,
I'm
trying
to
find
the
new
hold
rule,
but
there
are
it
used
to
be
articulated
that
certain
certain
things
can
be
held,
and
I
believe
that
under
the
new
rules
now
that
this
could
be
held
for
one
council
meeting.
U
D
A
Council
member
win
was
to
override
the
hold.
Is
there
a
second
there's,
so
there's
been
a
move
over
the
hold
in
a
second.
This
motion
will
require
six
votes
to
pass
so
with
the
clerk
call.
The
roll.
A
K
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
word
this.
I
move
to
amend
the.
A
D
Point
of
information
why
it.
K
What
I
think
I
want
to
do
is
move
approval
of
the
bills
list
in
the
amount
of
three
million
one
hundred
and
four
thousand
three
hundred
and
one
dollars
and
thirty
two
cents.
Second,.
A
A
Got
it
so
so
let
me
recognize
council.
N
E
E
A
So
I
have
in
writing
from
councilmember
nussimo.
I
move
approval
of
the
city
of
evanston
payroll
and
bill's
list
and
staff
the
staff
recommendations.
The
city
council
approved
the
city
of
edmondson
payroll
for
the
period
of
june
7
2021
through
june
20
2021
in
the
amount
of
383
million
five
dollars
and
six
cents
and
the
bills
list
for
july
13
2021
the
amount
of
three
million
one
hundred
and
four
thousand
three
hundred
and
one
dollars
and
thirty
two
cents.
Is
there
a
second,
so
council?
Member
when
seconds
that
motion
council
member
read.
D
U
D
So
we
are
opening
ourselves
up
to
lawsuit
to
a
lawsuit
that
would
cost
more
than
paying
this
invoice
for
work.
That
was
done
by
a
student.
A
young
man
who
grew
up
in
our
community
graduated
from
eths
has
been
recognized
by
the
league
of
women.
Voters
has
done
tremendous
work
in
the
clerk's
office
for
years.
U
This,
mr
mayor,
if
I
may,
on
september
24th
2020,
I
sent
the
contractor
a
letter
cc
the
then
corporation
counsel,
kelly
gandursky
and
the
city
manager,
and
spelled
out
the
legal
rationale
and
reasoning
as
to
why
the
city
council's
action
of
denying
the
payment
would
be
legally
sound.
So
while
there
could
be
litigation
that
comes,
I
believe
it
is
defensible
as
the
corporation
council.
D
As
I
was
saying,
whether
it's
defensible
or
not,
what
we're
doing
is.
I
do
not
understand
why
the
council
is
voting,
no
to
pay
a
young
man
who
did
work
for
the
city.
D
And
and
mayor
best,
I'm
I'm
truly
shocked
that
you
voted
now.
So
I
was
all
in
there.
R
I
am
too,
I
thought
you
were
going
to
take
some
time
to
speak
with
jordy
and
I
don't
think
you
have
yet
I'm
also
disgusted
here
we
are
about
to
look
at
a
bonding
out
setting
the
taxpayers
back
by
millions
and
millions
of
dollars,
including
projects
like
eight
hundred
and
nine
eight
hundred
and
ninety,
almost
a
million
dollars
for
mcculloch
park
where
residents
have
said-
and
this
was
actually
scheduled
for
next
year-
we're
looking
at
things
like
this
we're
talking
about
three
thousand
dollars
for
student.
Who
did
the
work
understanding.
R
There
was
a
lot
of
turmoil
with
the
last
city
council
and
we
know
there
was,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
hostility
and
issues
going
on
and
now
that
we're
actually
gonna
withhold
three
thousand
dollars
from
someone
who,
in
very
you
know,
carried
out
the
work
in
good
faith
and
he
wasn't
trying
to
steal
anything.
He
did
the
work.
He
wasn't
just
here,
sloughing
off
and
then
billing
us
for
three
thousand
dollars.
R
I
mean
I'm
just
amazed
at
the
kind
of
things
that
the
millions
and
millions
and
millions
that
we
can
approve
without
you
know,
barely
justification
overpayments
and
now
we're
talking
about
three
thousand
dollars
for
someone
who
actually
did
the
work
and
we
can
dispute
and
say
you
know
he
should
have
known
he
wasn't
get
paid.
Everybody
has
admit
there
was
a
lot
of
turmoil
at
the
time
around
the
clerk's
office
and
and
and
the
political
environment,
but
he
did
the
work.
U
So
the
different
procedural
approach
that
I
had
in
mind
is
if
a
motion
to
be
separately
since
that
has
now
been
voted
to
exclude
that
particular
invoice.
If
someone
wanted
to
move
to
either
pay
or
not
pay,
that
particular
invoice
would
be
the
next
step,
because
that
dollar
amount
is
missing.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
I
understand
that
everyone
has
received
the
email
with
the
copy
of
the
invoice,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
was
actually
in
the
bills
list
before.
U
But
the
okay
so
and
if
that's
not
the
case,
but
my
understanding
is
that
they
generally
are
listed.
If
that's
not
the
case,
then
maybe
no
other
action
needs
to
be
taken,
but
the
amount
was
this
was
not
paid
was
not
approved
for
payment.
So
unless
someone
wants
to
take
a
specific
motion
or
an
action
against
that
specific
invoice,
I
think
that's
up
to
the
cash.
A
So,
council,
member
reid,
moves
approval
of
the
specific
invoice
and
what?
What
amount?
Precisely
a
council
member.
A
D
Talking
about
the
past,
yes,
I
I
would
just
request
that
this
vote
goes
differently
than
the
other
one
and
that
we
pay
this
young
man
and
avoid
what
will
be
inevitable
litigation
that
will
cost
us
more
than
three
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
five
dollars.
I
guarantee
it.
B
E
A
R
Discussion,
yes,
I
have
a
lot
of
questions.
In
fact,
can
I
hold
it
at
this
point?
Can
I
motion
to
hold
it
okay,
so
I
want
a
motion
to
hold.
D
D
C
A
A
Council
member
fleming
seconds
and
we'll
hear
first
from
councilmember
sufferden
and
then
win.
W
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
offer
an
amendment
that
we
changed
the
dates
of
the
pilot
program
and
we
amend
the
end
date
from
september
6
2021
to
october
31st,
2021.
A
I
would
like
to
request
that
you
reduce
that
motion
to
write
in
please
council
member.
I.
I
A
I
I
Just
because
this
says
starting
july
1st
and
clearly
we're
past
that,
do
we
need
to
change
the
start
date
on
here.
Maybe
this
is
even
for
mr
company.
AQ
U
Just
tom
as
you're
writing
that
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
actual
ordinance
attached
says
memorial
day,
even
though.
C
A
W
A
Great
seeing
no
discussion
on
the
amendment
would
the
clerk
call
the
role
on
the
amendment?
Oh
councilmember.
When
do
you
want
to
speak
to
the
amendment.
A
Another
four
or
four
vote
I
vote
I
and
on
a
vote
of
five
to
four,
the
amendment
passes
council
member
win
on
the
amended
item.
A9.
A
A
M
I
move
approval
for
funding
for
the
chicago's
north
shore
convention
and
visitors
bureau
for
fiscal
year
2021
in
the
amount
of
41
805
dollars
for
a
period
commencing
july
1
2021
through
june
30th
2022.
E
D
As
was
noted
this,
this
came
before
the
economic
development
committee
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
comment
about
the
the
visitors
bureau.
I
think
there
are
things
that
are
positive
to
it,
but,
as
I
mentioned
in
that
committee,
and
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
is
more.
D
Data
as
to
the
impact
you
know
with
other
groups
that
do
similar
work
like
this
in
the
private
market,
such
as
groupon
or
other
things,
you
can
very
clearly
measure
the
impact
of
membership
in
groupon
or
any
of
these
other
organizations
that
are
similar
to
this,
because
there's
and
we
don't
have
clear,
measurable
data
on
the
success
of
this
program,
not
really
looking
for
any
response
or
anything.
I
just
want
to
state
why
I'm
voting
no.
X
Just
quickly,
I
did
appreciate
unanimous
support
from
the
economic
development
committee,
but
I
did
in
my
new
submission
of
documents
that
you
have
got
with
the
agenda.
I
did
show
all
the
deliverables
and
our
every
measurement
that
we
do
show
in
a
non-coveted
year,
because
I
understand
that
the
new
members
of
the
council
and
weren't
used
to
my
normal
presentation,
so
that
was
in
your
packet.
X
We,
we
count
everything.
We
understand
that
we
have
to
report
our
metrics,
obviously
during
covet
and
stay
at
home,
orders
people
weren't,
meeting
visiting,
staying
in
hotels,
but
I
did
show
in
that
packet
what
we
measure-
and
I
also
I
pretty
much
in
my
new
packet-
addressed
all
the
issues
that
had
come
up
during
economic
development
committee.
Even
though
I
was
lucky
to
get
unanimous
support.
A
Aye,
I
believe,
on
a
vote
of
six
and
voting
I
and
two
voting.
No
I'm
sorry.
I
apologize
everybody
on
the
vote
of
five
voting.
I
and
three
voting
nay
item
e1
passes.
Thank
you
for
your
indulgence
of
my
poor
arithmetic
up
here,
and
that
brings
us
to
item
h2.
D
I
am
not
seeking
suspension
of
the
rules
on
item
h2.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
move
ordnance,
73021.
A
And
I
would
happily
entertain
a
second,
but
also
definitely
would
like
that
in
writing.
Since
I'm
not.
A
So
council,
member
reid,
makes
the
motion
councilmember
burn
seconds
council
member
reed
points
out,
I'm
not
entitled
to
requests
well,
I
can
request
that
any
emotion
be
reduced
to
writing
correct.
So
can
you
look
if
you
want
to
explain,
I
can
explain
it
clearly,
precisely
what's
being
changed,
what's
being
proposed.
D
Yes,
I
I
spoke
with
council
coming,
so
I
think
the
person
this
is
for
introduction
will
come
back
to
us
at
the
next
meeting,
but
it
it
would
eliminate
food
trucks
from
the
lakefront
and
allow
for
folks.
We
got
a
letter
last
meeting
from
wandering,
cafe
and
wandering
cafe,
isn't
that
they
don't
use
generators,
they're,
not
a
food
truck,
it's
people
with
a
bike
and
they
ride
around.
D
They
bring
their
food
and
they
sell
it
to
folks,
and
so
this
would
allow
those
style
of
food
vendors
at
the
lakefront
and
at
parks
and
not
allow
food
trucks
so
keep
the
ordinance.
It
would
keep
the
law
the
same
in
regards
to
food
trucks,
but
would
allow
other
vendors
to
sell
their
food
items,
their
non-merchandised
items
at
the
lakefront.
So
you
know
the
palette
person
the
ice
cream
person
with
their
pushcart
or
someone
else.
A
N
I
was
just
saying
that
that
you
know
my
concern
was
the
environmental
impact
of
trucks,
as,
as
you
know,
it
was
on
consent
agenda,
as
I
moved
to
remove
a
truck
route,
I'm
sensitive
to
the
idea
of
trucks
on
the
lakefront,
especially
if
they
need
to
operate
their
generators
the
entire
time
in
order
to
to
provide
the
food,
but
I
think
push
carts.
Are
it's
a
good
first
step
as
we
evaluate
other
options
and
then
also
you
know,
increased
litter
and
trash
along.
N
K
D
D
No,
no!
No,
I
I
was
there
are
three
folks
with
food
truck
licenses
in
the
city
of
evanston.
Currently
I
don't
know
the
number
off
the
top
of
my
head
of
of
push
cart.
Oh
there's,
director
ogle,
so
he
would
know
the
answer
to
that.
Push
carts.
Q
Q
Yes,
so
that'll
be
three
food
trucks,
inclusive
of
a
push
cart
so,
like
I
said
we
use
that
language
interchangeably
with
the
with
the
push
carts,
so
they
are
indeed
two
active
food
trucks
in
just
one
push
cart.
K
Well,
I
appreciate
the
the
fact
that
this
this
would
address
the
big
environmental
impact
of
food
trucks,
but
it
still
is,
you
know,
we're
working
towards
commercialization
of
the
lakefront
and
and
we
still
are
likely
to
have
a
litter
problem,
so
I
am
afraid
I'm
still
opposed.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
I'm
happy
to
support
this
amendment.
In
fact,
I
would
like
to
work
towards
food
trucks
on
the
lakefront,
but
I
was
uncomfortable
fast
tracking
it
in
and
voting
on
in
favor
of
that
tonight,
because
I
think
that
needs
some
more
discussion
and
community
input,
but
I'm
happy
to
support
the
amendment
to
allow
just
a
push
cart.
E
As
long
as
we
can
legally
define
push
cart
and
I'm
not
super
comfortable,
you
know
making
up
policy
on
the
fly
on
the
dais,
so
if
this
is
just
for
introduction,
I
think
there's
enough
time
to
perfect
the
language
to
give
us
something
to
vote
on
in
two
weeks.
Okay,.
W
Thank
you
so,
and
I
don't
think
this
is
your,
so
I
apologize
that
you're,
the
one
standing
there
and
erica.
I
don't
think
this,
is
you
either,
but
we
do
have
from
the
pictures
we
saw
and
from
people's
experience
problems
with
trash
at
the
lake.
Now,
how
do
we
fix
that.
G
W
Like
supportively
and
like
not
like,
but
seriously
like
because
it's
not
if
we're
gonna
use
that
as
an
excuse
to
not
do
anything
that
doesn't
make
sense
like
that,
we
already
have
trash,
so
we
can't
ever
have
anything
better
because
we
have
trash.
So
how
do
we
fix?
How
do
we
fix
our
current
trash
problems,
a
matter
of
sequencing,
not
predicting
crowds
correctly
staffing?
What
do
we
need
to
fix
that
problem?.
AO
AO
The
biggest
issue
is
really
that
people
don't
actually
put
the
trash
in
the
can,
and
then
we
have
the
trash
blowing
all
over
the
park
overnight
and
into
the
lake,
which
is
very
tragic.
But
what
can
we
do
about
it?
There's
a
couple
of
things
you
know
for
next
year's
budget
we
could
contemplate
having
you
know,
trash
monitors
that
are
working
all
day
just
roving
instead
of
having
the
trucks
come
and
empty
the
trash
cans.
So
there
would
be
somebody
actively
there
picking
up
the
litter
at
all.
AO
You
know,
during
the
peak
periods
of
use
that
that
may
help
we
could
also
just
discuss
with
staff
and
the
council
when
we
get
to
budget
other
ideas
that
the
public
works
department
may
have
that.
I'm
not
thinking
up
on
the
fly
right
here,
but
certainly
there's
a
cost
to
that.
But
the
level
that
we
provide
right
now
is
increased
from
last
year
due
to
the
concerns
that
were
raised
at
this
point
in
time
last
year.
But
certainly
I
would
agree
with
you
it's
not
to
the
level
of
eradicating
the
problem.
AO
W
W
You
have
a
garbage
problem
now
and
so,
and
I
also
think
if
you
had
food
service
businesses-
and
I
could
defer
to
your
expertise
in
the
health
area
on
this,
they
would
have
an
economic
incentive
for
trash
to
not
be
everywhere
near
their
places
where
they
are.
So.
I
think,
as
we
look
at
this-
and
I
understand
some
of
the
historic
and
present
concerns
about
commercialization
of
the
lakefront,
but
you
know,
wilmette
has
a
catering
business
that
operates
at
gilson.
Beach
will
not
charges
for
parking.
W
Well,
that
does
not
allow
non
wilmette
residents
to
use
their
beach.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
other
communities
near
us.
Do
that
may
or
may
not
be
things
that
we
want
to
do,
but
they're
not
like
crazy
ideas
out
of
nowhere,
and
I
think,
even
though
summer
is
rapidly
going
away
and
after
tonight
I
feel
like
it's
really
like
dragging
like.
W
So
we
may
not
get
a
full
picture
of
what
the
potential
is
if
we
get
something
going
now
but
like
having
useful
information
so
that
we
can
hit
the
ground
running
next
beach
season
would
be
would
be
very
useful.
So,
but
I
I
do
want
to
make
it
clear
that
we
presently
have
a
trash
problem
without
any
food
service
on
the
on
the
lakefront.
So
it's
unfair
to
throw
that
out
there
as
a
boogie
man
and
as
a
reason
to
not
not
consider
this.
That's
all
I
got.
M
A
So
no
one
who
is
requesting
to
speak,
no
one
has
not
yet
spoken,
is
requesting
to
speak
so
council
member
reed
for
a
second
time.
D
Yes,
council
cummings
as
a
point
of
information,
can
you
provide
clarity
or
maybe
even
like
whoever,
but
there
is
as
look
into
the
code,
there's
separate
licenses
for
food
trucks
and
for
push
carts.
Q
Right,
so
any
in
the
ordinance,
there
is
what
we
classify
as
food,
peddlers
and
and
food
trucks.
The
food
peddlers
will
qualify
as
your
push
cuts,
those
that
are
not
quite
motorized
or
commercialized,
so
so
to
speak,
and
according
to
the
policy
that
we've
we've
developed,
they
are
to
licenses
that
we
issue
to
mobile
food,
vendors
and
mobile
food
vehicles.
So
your
mobile
phone
vehicles
are
the
big
food
trucks
right.
Then
your
mobile
food
vendors
or
your
push
carts.
So
it's
segmented
into
two.
D
Clarity,
it
will
be
quite
it's
already
built
into
the
code
that
we
can
very
easily
delineate
between
the
food
truck
itself
and
the
the
food
peddlers,
which
I
think
we
should
come
up
with
a
less
archaic
name
for
that
yeah
yeah.
Oh,
no,
like
peddler
like
that,
you
know
other
kind
of
pedophile
all
right.
A
Thank
you
seeing
no
one
else
seeking
to
speak
with
the
clerk
called
the
role
on
the
amended
h2.
A
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
consent
agenda
and
therefore,
to
call
of
the
awards,
beginning
with
council
member
sefernan.
W
Thank
you,
sir.
Just
everyone
who's
emailed
about
parkway
plannings
meetings
tomorrow.
Let's
all
give
our
input
and
wednesday
don't
do
it
tomorrow.
Go
on
wednesday,
wednesday
online
is
a
meeting
about
parkway
plantings
and
you
have
been
hurt.
Thank
you.
K
Well,
I
appreciate
council
member
sufferden's
mentioning
of
that.
Yes,
the
virtual
meeting
is
wednesday
evening
at
7
p.m
and
that's
the
place
to
express
your
opinions.
I
Sorry
so
yoga
was
canceled
this
sunday
because
of
the
rain,
so
we
will
reschedule
that
in
the
ninth
award,
but
we
are
having
I'm
sorry
I'll
find
the
date.
I'm
sorry
on
sunday
bear
with
me.
A
I
Yes,
on
sunday,
the
18th
this
sunday
at
5
pm
we'll
have
another
jazz
in
the
park
with
our
neighbor
don
mixon
over
at
ridgeville,
the
main
ridgeville
on
ridge,
and
that
will
be
from
5
to
6
30,
and
then
we
will
try
again
for
yoga
in
the
park
which
will
be
on
saturday
at
9
00
a.m,
also
at
ridgeville
park
so
join
us
all.
Those
events
are
on
the
ninth
ward
calendar.
Thank
you.
R
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
residents
who
came
out
to
speak
at
public
comment
today
that
I
know
that's
a
lot
to
take
that
time
out
of
your
day,
and
you
know
to
figure
out
what
you
have
to
say
and
to
say
it.
So
thank
you
for
participating
in
the
process.
First
award
meeting
this
thursday
at
seven
o'clock
at
the
noise
cultural
arts
center,
so
I
hope
to
see
lots
of
first
ward
residents
this
thursday.
E
Thank
you
to
everybody
who
came
out
to
the
fourth
ward
meeting
in
office
hours
last
week.
We
did
a
fun
exercise
with
pennies,
which
will
definitely
inform
my
thinking
as
we
move
forward
with
considering
how
we're
going
to
spend
that
urpa
windfall
next
ward
meeting
coming
up
tuesday
august
2nd
7
pm
robert
crown
center
pending
confirmation
no
office
hours
in
august,
since
I
will
be
on
vacation
that
saturday,
but
we're
going
to
make
up
for
that
with
neighbors
around
maple
and
maine.
That's
in
the
neighborhood
of
albany
care.
N
Ward,
there's
a
fifth
ward
meeting
this
month
on
the
22nd
I'll
send
out
a
newsletter
tomorrow
about
it.
It'll
be
the
first.
Our
first
hybrid
meeting
will
be
at
gibbs
morrison
at
7
p.m,
and
those
who
cannot
intend
in
person
will
be
able
to
do
so,
virtually
so
again.
That's
july,
22nd,
gibbs
morrison
at
seven
p.m.
N
Also
for
miss
esther.
The
the
fifth
floor
newsletter
went
out
thursday
june
24th
2021
in
it.
I
talked
about
a
few
topics
for
discussion,
establishing
a
new
tif
district
in
the
fifth
ward.
Then
there
was
a
hyperlink
that
said
read
about
the
proposed
five
fifths,
tiff
and
then
in
it
it
breaks.
It
shows
a
picture
of
the
map.
It
talks
a
little
bit
about
what
the
goals
are
for
the
five
fifth
tiff
and
then
it
proceeds
to
answer.
N
Maybe
one:
two,
three
four:
five:
six,
seven,
eight
nine
10
11
12,
13,
14,
15
16,
frequently
asked
questions
regarding
tiff
and
then
at
the
bottom.
There
are
hyperlinks
to
our
city
of
evanston
tiff
website,
as
well
as
state
of
illinois
tax,
increment
allocation
redevelopment
act,
illinois,
tax,
increment
association
and
tif
illinois.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
that.
N
I
did
everything
I
said
I
was
gonna
do
and
then
I
had
one
more
thing:
oh,
not
sure
how
we're
doing
referrals
now
before
we
set
it
up,
but
I
would
like
to
make
a
referral.
There
is
a
there
is
land
on
on
simpson
pretty
much
in
in
the
twigs
park
field
area.
Right
now
we
have
a
red
statue
there
in
the
fifth
ward,
close
to
to
simpson
and
dodge
intersection,
but
in
the
field
it's
a
city-owned
parcel.
N
I've
been
in
communication
with
matt
ryan
of
edible
acres
and
we're
really
excited
and
want
to
get
ford
move
forward
on
creating
an
urban
farm
and
garden.
There.
Imagine
people
being
cyclists
and-
and
we
have
many
pedestrians-
that
walk
along
the
twigs
park
path.
Could
you
know,
have
a
walk-up
option
to
buy
produce
and
then,
of
course
we'll
do
something
where
we
give
it
away
as
well,
so
just
wanted
to
make
a
referral,
so
we
can
start
that
conversation.
That
is
all
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
just
for
interested
some
technical
updates.
That's
the
first
referral.
That's
been
made
subsequent
to
the
adoption
of
the
rules,
so
officially
it
should
be
made
in
writing
and
sent
to
the
clerk.
I
know
that
the
city
manager
has
been
taking
notes
during
it.
So
I'm
sure
you
have
a
correspondence
between
the
two
of
you,
but
it's
a
brave
new
world.
The
referrals
committee's
first
meeting
is
this
this
thursday
morning
at
nine
o'clock,
and
that
should
be
noticed.
A
You
know
either
late
tonight
or
first
thing
tomorrow
morning
couldn't
be
noticed
until
we
voted
tonight
on
the
consent
agenda
to
formally
create
it
with
that,
seeing
no
further
business
to
come
before
us.
The
july
12th
meeting
of
the
other
city
council
stands
adjourned.