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All
right
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
anyone
who
is
watching
on
Zoom
has
their
microphone
muted,
otherwise
we'll
be
in
an
infinite
Loop,
taking
us
ever
further
into
the
past,
not
what
we
want
this
evening.
A
We
now
move
on
to
public
comment.
There
are
about
I,
think
about
12
speakers
signed
up
tonight,
so
everyone
will
be
given
the
full
three
minutes.
We
begin,
as
always
with
those
who
signed
up
in
person
to
speak
in
person,
starting
with
Jack
mortell,
who
will
be
followed
by
Dave
Ellis
and
then
Ray
Friedman.
F
F
Pprt
was
designed
to
provide
a
revenue
source
for
local
governments
to
meet
pension
obligations,
to
meet
pension
obligations
and
pay
outstanding
debt
plenty
outstanding
debt
with
a
pension
too,
and
then
otherwise,
that's
a
big,
otherwise
I
read
it
as
once
those
things
are
taken
care
of,
then
you
can
look
at
other
ways
to
spend.
It
was
an
unrestricted
source
of
funding
for
local
governments,
operation
and
services.
F
You
can
see
the
amount
of
pprt
Revenue
that
was
budgeted
the
amount
of
pprt
Revenue
that
was
actually
received,
there's
a
big
difference
and
where
the
staff
allocated
and
previous
councils
approved
the
pprt
revenue
for
the
past
20
years.
This
is
not
a
one-off.
This
isn't
like
here
and
there.
This
is
a
pattern.
F
I
reviewed
all
the
Avail
approximately
in
that
review,
approximately
17.1
million
pprt
Revenue
was
slightly
over.
This
was
budgeted
over
this
20-year
period.
However,
31.5
million
dollars
in
pprt
Revenue
came
to
this
city
was
actually
received
that
results
in
a
14.3
million
dollar
pprt
Revenue
Surplus.
Again
not
my
numbers.
Your
numbers
they're
on
a
website,
if
you
want
I,
can
scan
and
send
them
to
everybody
they're
real.
F
A
A
The
next
speaker
is
Dave
Ellis,
who,
in
the
in
the
person
of
Jack
Martell.
F
Imagine
for
20
years
between
now
and
2002,
the
city
staff
had
budgeted
100
of
the
pprt
revenue
that
was
a
to
meet
pension
obligations.
Where
would
we
write
be
right
now?
What
about
between
79
and
2002
where'd?
That
money
go
I
wouldn't
be
standing
here?
That
was
the
case.
It's
a
huge
number.
We
wouldn't
have
this
huge
shortfall.
F
F
Please
be
the
council
that
has
the
will
to
correct
this
pension
missteps
from
the
past.
Please
fund
the
pensions
100
starting
in
2023.,
without
further
burning
the
taxpayers
by
raising
taxes
to
do
it.
There
are
other
ways
the
funds
to
this
are
hidden
in
the
reserves.
Those
funds
have
always
been
there.
The
staff
knows
this
I
know
this
and
I
believe
the
balance
of
people
in
this
room
here
know
it.
F
A
G
Good
evening,
everyone
first
thanks
to
Jack
Martell,
that
was
amazing,
facts
and
Figures.
It's
amazing
next
I
want
to
say,
welcome
back
to
Melissa,
Nguyen,
I,
hope,
you're,
feeling
better
good
to
see.
You
back
welcome
to
another
exciting
edition
of
public
comment
where
residents
get
to
speak,
but
rarely
if
ever
get
a
response,
I,
don't
know
why
you
would
be
offended
by
any
public
comments
after
residents
are
trying
to
get
answers
or
feedback
from
their
public
comments
and
just
being
ignored.
I
would
guess
that
you
would
be
very
frustrated
also
I.
G
Don't
understand
why
you
keep
on
ignoring
the
purpose
and
intent
of
public
comment,
you
know
being
to
foster
a
dialogue.
Why
is
that
so
difficult
I
asked
that
last
council
meeting
the
difference
between
public
comment
and
public
hearing
which
is
required
by
law.
We
did
not
finish
our
public
hearing,
even
after
several
council
members
agreed
to
do
so,
and
yet
tonight
you
are
proposing
to
pass
the
new
city
budget
with
no
further
discussion
with
residents,
or
did
you
plan
to
finish
the
budget
hearing
tonight?
G
H
Mary
rosinski
Seventh
Ward
nice
to
see
you
all.
I
too,
am
here
to
ask
you
to
please
for
their
future
generations
and
to
really
get
some
traction
with
getting
ahead
of
our
payments.
A
hundred
percent
fund,
the
pensions,
because
we
are
just
kicking
this
ball
down
and
it's
like
a
bad
credit
card
that
never
gets
paid
off.
It's
got
to
happen
and
there
is
so
much
Surplus
and
we
haven't
talked
about
the
difference
between
the
reserves
and
the
surpluses.
H
Though
many
residents
have
come
up
and
asked
questions
and
looked
at
the
budget
and
over
the
last
couple
years,
I've
noticed
that
there
used
to
be
a
tally.
That
said
fun
balance
fund
this
right
now
it
just
says
projected
balance
projected
we
don't
know
what
we're
talking
about
when
it
comes
to
the
actual
numbers
that
are
here.
The
only
people
who
know
are
some
staff
numbers
and
when
I
know
what
I've
asked
I
have
not
gotten
any
answers
and
I
I
read
the
budget.
Memos
and
I
see
this,
and
this
and
I
know
you.
H
You
know
some
of
you
are
really
trying
to
get
this
right,
but
this
is
not
a
transparent
budget.
This
really
needs
attention
by
every
single
one
of
you
guys
who
are
up
here.
Trying
to
you
know
get
transparency
spend
our
money
wisely
if
we
pay
the
pensions
now,
that's
our
future
Generations
that
are
going
to
have
more
money
to
take
care
of
our
city,
our
infrastructure.
H
We
are
going
to
have
extra
money,
but
I
do
want
to
know
what
the
Surplus
is
versus
the
reserves,
because
I
know
we
have
16
reserves,
but
I
know
we
do
have
also
others
14
million
dollars.
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
spend
last
year,
11
million
dollars
passing
11
million
dollar
expenditure
for
2021
that
we
hadn't
budgeted
for.
So
staff
clearly
knew
that
they
could
spend
that
money
and
that
money
would
be
covered,
but
residents
didn't
I,
don't
think
you
all
knew
either.
H
So
you
all
need
to
be
asking
that
people,
questions,
backup,
documentation
and
example.
In
point:
is
the
animal
shelter
I
want
an
animal
shelter
I?
Think
that
a
proposal
that
says
six
million
dollars
for
an
animal
shelter
when
two
million
dollars
of
that
is
contingencies,
is
crap.
There's
nothing
else
about
it.
You
don't
go
building
a
house
for
200.
They
say
2.8
million
dollars
to
build
it
with
two
million
dollars
in
contingency.
That's
just
crazy!
You
guys,
you
wouldn't
do
it
in
your
own
house.
Don't
expect
to
do
it
in
the
house
of
Evanston.
H
A
I
I
I
The
cycles
of
capitalism
have
worked
like
this
for
many
decades.
This
is
not
an
outrageous
claim.
Show
people
in
Evanston
that
you
do
not
want
them,
teetering
to
stay
housed
by
adding
the
additional
burden
of
a
property
tax
increase
that
will
likely
have
an
impact
on
our
most
vulnerable,
whether
they
rent
or
own.
A
house
we've
already
received
the
word
that
District
202
and
65
plan
each
an
additional
5
increase
this
next
year
in
property
taxes,
the
City
of
Evanston
finance
department,
has
not
been
forthcoming
on
our
current
Surplus
or
projections
by
year.
I
I
I
J
Good
evening,
Darlene
Cannon,
second
ward,
my
question
is
about
the
budget
too
I'd
like
to
know
how
much
the
reserve
is
and
how
much
do
we
have
in
Surplus
and
I'd
like
to
know
why
it
seems
that,
from
my
perspective,
that
none
of
you
are
asking
questions
about
the
backup
data
on
cost
of
projects
and,
like
everyone
said
before,
we
want
the
police
and
fire
pensions
funded
at
a
hundred
percent.
J
We
need
to
stop
the
financial
hemorrhaging
caused
by
creating
a
greater
debt
balance
each
year
and
I'd
like
to
hear
about
what
is
the
payment
difference
between
paying
100
versus
90
percent
in
regards
to
the
black
employees
report.
Please
understand
that
black
employees
and
black
folks
are
exhausted.
J
Over
the
past
few
years,
our
cognitive,
emotional
and
physical
resources
have
been
disappropriately
depleted
due
to
the
pandemic
and
structural
racism.
Data
shows
that
this
type
of
ongoing
experience
creates
psychological
and
racial
fatigue
and
exhaustion.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
about
the
action
plan
for
the
black
employees.
Thank
you.
A
A
Miss
Holmes:
are
you
able
to
hear
us
and
unmute.
A
We're
having
some
technical
issues
we'll
move
back
to
her.
The
next
speaker,
then,
is
Anthony
Homa
who's,
followed
by
Mike
fasilko
and
then
chip
rateliff.
K
Me
sure
can
thank
you
so
I've
got
four
comments:
I'll
be
brief,
funded
pensions
fully.
That
seems
to
be
a
no-brainer,
and
everyone
seems
to
understand
that
the
second
item-
city
city
manager,
still
you
know
is-
is
an
honest
person.
I'm
convinced
that
city
manager
still
will
resolve
the
recently
reported
black
employee
complaints
report
to
everyone's
satisfaction.
K
This
is
a
problem
that
Luke
inherited.
He
inherited
these
circumstances
from
previous
managers
and
previous
councils.
He
deserves
the
time
to
properly
investigate
and
to
resolve
the
problems.
Please
give
him
the
time
third
I
had
suggested
in
an
email
to
everyone
that
the
council
set
aside
five
hundred
or
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
2023
discussions
regarding
council
member
living
wage
salaries.
I
just
want
to
recommend
again
that
you
sent
that
money
aside
and
have
that
discussion
next
year.
K
Lastly,
and
I
guess:
I
have
to
apologize
for
not
articulating
this,
although
I've
spoken
about
it
many
times
on
an
offline
at
Council
meetings,
and
that
is
this
household
climate
action
plan
that
I've
been
advocating
for
tonight
at
this
late
date,
I
can
only
ask
that
the
council
set
aside
some
some
sum
of
money.
Maybe
two
million
dollars
Which
is
far
below
what
I
was
previously
recommending,
dedicated
to
beginning
the
conversation
in
2023
for
a
household
climate
action
plan.
K
They
too
need
to
reduce
or
eliminate
the
use
of
fossil
fuels.
The
plan
I've
been
advocating
for
focuses
on
a
30,
000
households
and
ways
to
people.
People
in
those
households
can
pay
to
make
it
possible
for
them
to
consider
climate
action.
The
plan
is
similar
to
the
latest
Skokie
sustainability
document
that
I
circulated
to
the
appendix
a
that
references,
revolving
loan
funds
and
a
green
bank,
or
some
version
of
the
two
were
used
by
Evanston
households.
K
The
plan
also
envisions
taking
money
from
an
imposed
carbon
tax
to
impart
fund
the
proposed
household
climate
action
terms
of
climate
appearance
and
stick.
K
A
L
Hi,
hello,
I'm,
sorry
good
evening.
Everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
here
the
for
the
for
the
City
Board
of
the
City
Board.
My
name
is
Chip
Ratliff
I
am
the
President
of
shore
front
Shore
front.
Just
for
those
of
you
don't
know
show
front
is
a
black
history
organization
here,
based
here
in
Evanston.
Our
goal
is
to
collect,
preserve
and
educated
about
black
history,
Chicago
Suburban
North
Shore.
We
are
the
only
entity
of
our
type
on
the
Chicago
Suburban
North
Shore.
L
L
I
just
recently
found
out
that
our
line
that
our
agenda
item
has
been
moved
to
next
Monday,
but
I
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
just
to
talk
about
and
just
to
let
everyone
know
the
importance
of
our
agenda
item
we've
been
around
for
25
years,
and
we
are
now
finally
asking
for
the
City
of
Evanston
to
add
us
as
a
normal
line
item
for
funding,
for
I
mean
we
haven't
decided
on
an
amount
yet
I,
don't
think
I
think
we're.
L
I'm
sure
front
has
been
intricate
in
the
development
of
the
reparations
item
for
Evanston
making
Evanston
the
first
city
in
the
United
States
to
have
reparations
legislation
enacted
and
sure
for
a
huge
part
of
that.
Our
founder
Mr,
Dino
Robinson
is
has
been
doing
this
for
25
years
and
is
board
at
the
board
of
directors
who
have
been
in
support
of
him.
So
I'm
not
going
to
take
up
too
much
more
from
your
time.
L
I'll,
hopefully
be
there
in
person
next
week,
but
I
just
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
introduce
shorefront
to
all
of
you.
That
may
not
know
it.
If
you
don't
know
us,
please
look
us
up
at
your
friendlegancy.com,
sorry
trophonelegacy.org
and
you
will
find
out
a
lot
more
about
us,
but
please
order
I'm,
sorry,
City
directors,
there.
Please
add
us
as
a
line
item
normal
line
item
for
support,
so
we
can
grow
and
continue
to
be
the.
L
M
Everyone
and
Happy
Thanksgiving
I,
hope
all
you
are
going
to
enjoy
a
really
great
Thanksgiving.
I
did
not
get
the
memo.
I
came
tonight,
really
to
ask
for
support
for
sure
crack
and
if
it's
postponed
until
next
week,
I
will
certainly
come
back
again,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
really
honored
to
have
been
a
partner
to
Upfront
for
since
its
beginning.
M
So
all
these
25
years
as
an
advocate
as
a
supporter
as
a
contributor
doing
whatever
we
can
to
make
other
evanstonians
aware
of
the
rich
history
of
the
black
community
and
not
only
Evanston
but
along
the
North
Shore
and
Dina
Robinson
who's.
The
founder
has
just
done
a
fantastic
job
and
as
Mr
Radcliffe
said,
if
you
don't
know
show
front,
you
should
really
go
on
the
website,
but
more
than
important
go
by
the
center
and
learn
about
it.
M
I
know
that
one
of
my
goals
as
an
alderman
was
to
find
a
space
for
Shore
front.
We
had
a
hope
that
we
could
get
that
space
and
get
worse
and
where
it
would
be
really
close
by
for
schools
to
be
able
to
come
and
learn
and
see
the
history
of
short
front,
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
will
consider
short
front
as
an
annual
contribution
in
the
budget,
so
that
that
history
can
continue
for
those
to
come.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
extra
time
Robbie
too
foreign,
it's
wonderful,
because
in
listening
to
what
the
speakers
were
saying,
I
saw
commonality
and
I
guess.
If
anybody
would
say
any
of
my
strengths
are
at
least
starting
in
grade
school
was
to
bring
together
a
whole
bunch
of
very
pieces
of
information
and
somehow
or
another
make
sense
out
of
them.
But
that's
how
I
learned
in
terms
of
attending
the
budget
meeting
was
obvious
in
terms
and
the
budget
being
addressed
here
in
terms
of
comments.
N
It's
all
it's
obvious
that
the
priorities
are
determined
by
staff,
and
that
was
said
by
Tash
at
our
meeting
and
that
opened
up
a
lot
of
discussion
in
terms
of
inclusion.
So
what
does
inclusion
have
to
do
with
all
this?
Well,
one
is
with
regard
to
priorities
that
don't
exclude
people
who
need
to
be
addressed
and
right
now
we
have
low
income
people.
We
know
that
right
and
people
are
struggling
and
there's
programs,
finally
evolving
that
are
going
to
try
to
address
those,
but
the
priorities
should
have
included
a
sliding
scale
this
time
around.
N
Why
not
because
staff
was
bringing
it
up
and
if
they're
unaware?
How
is
the
council
supposed
to
be
aware?
And
if,
in
your
words,
you
don't
have
low-income
people
or
enough
to
worry
about
you're?
Not
it's
not
going
to
be
on
your
radar
too,
in
terms
of
Elections,
so
they're,
very
brave,
inclusive
council
members
who
are
on
board
right
now.
So
that
is
a
strength
of
your
console
work
on
that
as
a
residence
I
I
urge
you
and
as
a
person,
who's
LED
teams
myself,
you
couldn't
have
Mr
Mayor,
you
couldn't
have
a
better
team.
N
So
in
terms
of
equity,
how
do
we
establish
Equity?
It's
inclusion,
there's
no
way
if
you
don't
include
the
people
who
are
being
affected,
you're,
excluding
them
by
definition,
because
you
don't
you're
not
aware
of
that.
Some
of
us
are
aware
of
it
and
we
speak
about
it
and
hope
you
hear
you
listen
to
us.
N
N
That's
because
that's
how
it's
done
in
these
communities.
Okay,
that's
the
beauty
and
the
honor
of
people
who
have
suffered
so
much
in
a
system
that
did
not
favor
them
in
the
in
the
slightest
or
give
them
something
in
token,
for
what
they're
doing
to
help
the
community,
so
a
sliding
scale
would
be
one
approach:
I
can
I
can
think
of
a
lot
more
and
I
would
start
with
this
Council.
N
You
have
everything
and
everyone
here
necessary
to
make
that
happen
and
and
if,
with
regard
to
short
front,
I
can't
be
more
thrilled
to
support
them,
because
that
effort
started
with
a
dream
and
I
started
out
with
dreams,
and
we
don't
know
where
that
dream
is
going
to
take
us.
That's.
N
A
Thank
you
very
much.
That
concludes
public
comment
for
the
evening.
It
brings
us
to
special
orders
of
business.
Would
someone
care
to
make
a
motion
regarding
item
sp1,
I'll.
O
Okay,
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
so
we
have
just
prepared
a
presentation.
It
has
the
old
slides
too,
but
we
won't
go
through
that
and
we
would
just
cover
the
main
decision
items
and
some
of
those
slides
which
have
changed
so
not
to
take
of
your
time
and
kind
of
go
back
into
the
whole
presentation.
So.
O
O
General
Capital
fund
has
come
down
substantially
from
the
original
number
206
million
dollar.
These
are
the
decision
points,
so
the
council
can
focus
on
this
thing.
Does
the
city
council
approve
of
the
revised
CIP
project
so
yes,
which
projects
and
I
think
the
Lara
last
time
did
the
presentations
say?
This
is
the
attachment,
a
which
I
think
that
Council
agrees
to
so
obviously
we
would
need
the
direction
and
then
the
second
piece
is
how
we
fund
that.
First,
you
decide
on
the
projects
and
then
the
funding.
O
So
how
does
the
city
fund
the
increase
for
Public
Safety
pension,
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
put
the
city
on
a
path
towards
the
things
at
the
finance
and
budget
Committee
of
the
last
time
they
said
we
should
think
about
100
funding
with
the
two
million
dollar
out
of
tax
levy
and
the
other
two
and
a
half
million
out
of
the
general
fund.
Surplus.
O
O
In
terms
of
increasing
that
rate
and
the,
how
will
the
city
fund
the
additional
amount
requested
I
think
the
reparation
firm
discussion
is
put
off
until
the
December
12th,
but
at
some
point,
if
the
city
council
makes
any
decision
and
divert
the
funds
out
of
the
general
for
an
excess
Surplus,
I
just
want
that
thing
to
be
part
of
the
overall
consideration
for
the
city
council.
So
we
get
the
better
idea.
O
O
After
we
made
some
changes
to
the
revenues
and
expenses,
so
it
has
come
down
from
I
think
originally
4.6
increase
for
Public
Safety
pension
as
I
said
finance
budget
committees
say
we
should
look
at
it
and
considered
a
city
council,
so
we
are
showing
the
using
of
2.4
million
two
point,
roughly
5
million
of
that
Surplus
and
then
finally
transfer
to
reparations
fund.
We
put
it
there
as
an
item,
but
we
don't
know
the
amount
and
the
council's
final
decision.
O
Obviously
the
council
has
made
the
decision
to
give
the
one
million
dollar
out
of
that
to
the
reparations
form.
O
O
changes
based
on
the
city
council
Direction
in
general
pprt,
we
had
increased
the
budget
originally
for
23,
based
on
the
current
Trend
to
1.7
million.
After
we
heard
that
we
looked
at
it,
we
increased
it
by
another
half
a
million
to
2.25
million
I
mean
again
a
word
of
caution.
This
is
the
income
tax
paid
by
some
of
the
corporations
and
so
on
to
trust.
So
if
we
talk
about
recession,
yes,
but
I,
don't
want
to
be
and
I
hope,
I'm
wrong.
O
The
real
estate
transfer
tax
increase
the
projection
by
another
250
000
same
thing.
We
looked
at
2019
numbers
when
there
was
uncertainty.
I
think
most
of
you
know
that
the
SSL
said
there
will
be
a
30
increase
in
the
assessed
values
and
when
they
do
the
come
up
with
the
22
number
there's
a
part
of
triennial
and
that
could
definitely
impact
our
real
estate
transport
tax,
The,
increased
funding
for
the
city-wide
training
and
other
expenses
I.
O
Think,
because
of
some
of
those
recent
complaints
and
all
that
so
at
the
direction
of
the
city
manager,
we
have
included
these
to
a
variety
of
training.
O
O
We
are
right
now,
balancing
at
123
million
dollars,
some
of
the
big
items
that
you
see,
which
has
been
there
vacancy
adjustment
was
originally
two
person
went
down
up
to
the
four
persons,
so
obviously
added
extra
one
and
a
half
million
in
savings
to
the
expense
and
reduction
to
the
real
estate
transfer
tax-
that's
million
dollar!
You
would
see
here
which
was
approved
for
the
arpa
fund.
So
you
see
that
that
in
23
budget
general
fund
would
get
million
dollar
less
into
yes,.
O
O
Changes
based
on
city
council
direction,
again:
Capital
Improvement
program
projects
with
substantial
funding
other
than
22
and
23
Geo
Bank
funding.
So.
D
O
Lara
explained
that
and
she's
here
too
I
don't
to
go
over
that
where
we
have
the
grants,
the
projects
are
in
progress,
so
they
prioritize
it
and
I
think
she
mentioned
that
at
the
last
meeting
in
the
attachment
a
if
the
council
decides
to
go
with
those
in
attachment
again
projects
under
contract
projects
with
immediate
Life,
Safety,
contingency
other
projects,
meeting
high
priority
goals
and
the
additional
projects
at
the
city
council
request.
Some
of
those
projects
were
added
like
that.
O
So
this
is
how
the
capital
Improvement
program
looks
like
the.
You
would
see
that
the
total
reduction
is
almost
11
million
dollar
geobond
project
for
22
came
down
by
350.
23
Geo
bonds.
Originally,
if
you
see
the
proposed
budget,
it
was
around
24
million.
Now
it
came
down
to
only
10.9
million,
so
more
than
half
I'm
sorry,
the
reduction
of
10.9
million.
O
This
is
how
it
looks
after
that
11
million
again
originally
103
million
in
our
proposed
budget
down
to
92
million
dollar
and
that's
yeah
11
million
less
than
the
original
one
general
fund
revenues.
This
is
just
kind
of
throwing
it
out,
but
obviously
whatever
the
camfield
decides
and
either
tonight
or
the
next,
you
know
we
will
kind
of
go
with
that.
One.
O
Many
agencies-
forecasting
I
just
got
the
email
last
week
on
Thursday
from
feature
rating
agency
talking
about
the
and
not
only
in
the
USA
and
Europe
because
of
the
high
gas
prices
and
all
that,
so
they
just
kind
of
cautioned
everyone,
some
of
the
city's
major
Revenue
sales
tax
income
tax
transfer,
tax
building,
permit,
could
be
impacted,
and
we
have
seen
that
in
many
years
ever
since
I
I
know
that
since
2008
all
the
way
up
to
pre-covet
I
think
in
2019
we
had
either
the
layoffs
Cuts
raise
fee
increases,
tax
increase,
so
I
just
want
the
council
to
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
O
We
talked
about
it
that
we
revised
some
of
the
numbers
of
transfer
tax,
pprt
gemt,
ground
emergency,
which
we
get
for
the
ambulance
service
from
the
feds
sales
tax,
obviously
totaling,
almost
7.3
million
dollar
in
our
budget
and
finally,
just
a
thing
to
yeah
kind
of
transfer
text
to
the
repetitions
fund,
a
million
dollar
for
the
next
year,
general
fund
revenues
and
expense
combined
again,
sometimes
I
hear
from
the
in
the
last
month,
or
so
that
okay,
we
have
Surplus
in
this
Revenue
Source
general
fund
includes
everything
all
revenues
when
I
said
14
million.
O
It
includes
whether
you
have
a
surplus
in
transport
tax.
Will
tax
pprt
sales,
tax
income
tax?
Everything
and
again
we
have
to
remember
that
yep
there
are
thousands
of
line
items
within
general
fund
revenues
and
expense
liner.
Some
of
the
items
might
go
up
in
expensive.
We
have
the
higher
fuel
costs,
higher
transfer
to
the
Insurance,
Fund
higher
transfer
to
this
Fleet
fund
or
the
fuel
for
the
fuel
and
all
that.
O
So
yes,
so
it
is
considered
at
the
fund
level
that,
okay,
how
is
the
general
fund
looking,
which
includes
all
revenues
and
all
the
expenses
most
of
the
excess
of
general
fund
Reserve
have
been
allocated?
I
showed
you,
and
even
the
number
is
pretty
close.
O
If
we
add
the
2.4
million
dollar
for
the
pensions
final
general
fund,
Surplus
22
available
in
early
spring,
when
at
that
time,
I
think
March
April,
we
get
the
final
kind
of
a
number
still
not
final
final,
but
at
least
we
get
the
idea
that
okay,
this
is
where
we
will
end
general
fund
for
23
includes
four
and
a
half
percent
wage
increase
and
four
percent
vacancy
rate
and
again
that's
kind
of
upsets
each
other.
O
You
see
in
like
okay,
we
have
a
four
and
a
half
person
increase
shown
in
expense,
but
then
we
reduce
the
expense
by
four
percent
as
a
vacancy.
So
we'll
see
that,
but
if
we
have
a
kind
of,
we
could
fill
in
all
the
positions
and
all
that
three
person
might
be
too
aggressive
in
24,
but
we'll
look
at
it
and
kind
of
yeah.
Let
the
council
know
where
we
stand
and
the
last
thing
very
important:
all
the
union
contracts
are
pending
and
I
guess
the
way
the
things
going.
O
O
The
council
yeah
just
kind
of
I
just
want
to
make
the
council
aware
of
that,
and
obviously
the
labor
market
is
still
tight,
and
that
could
be
the
reason
for
the
higher
rate
increase
there,
police
and
fire
pension
funding.
This
is
one
of
those
things
you
know
some
of
the
things
which
we
mentioned
earlier,
that
State
requires
90
funded
by
2040.
Cd
makes
progress
towards
these
by,
depending
on
the
actuality,
determined
annual
required
contribution.
O
I
mean
it
should
be
more
like
a
policy
or
the
gold,
because
I
don't
want
to
just
kind
of
based
on,
say,
okay,
what
we
have
in
annual
general
fund
Surplus,
if
we
have
like
say
next
year
good
year,
instead
of
14
24
million,
subtle,
Visa
or
double
it,
or
we
don't
have
14
million
and
only
2
million
in
Surplus,
potentially
because
of
recession,
and
we
say:
oh,
we
don't
want
to
fund
them.
That's
a
bad
idea
too,
and
the
rating
agencies
and
others
they'll,
look
at
it
very
negatively.
O
So
I
would
reactive,
sincerely
request
the
council
to
have
a
more
kind
of
a
funding
policy
and
goal,
because
this
is
a
long-term
thing.
This
is
not
one
time,
so
that's
yeah
kind
of
my
sincere
request
to
look
at
the
policy
level,
no
matter
what
we
have
but
okay.
This
is
our
commitment
to
have
the
police
and
fire
pension
funding.
O
A
O
O
No
because
these
are
only
like
a
10
or
12
Revenue
items
could
be
where
we
have
the
increase
of
7.3
million
some
of
the
major
revenues,
but
yeah
I
can
have
the
numbers.
We
can
run
to
look
at
just
those
eight
numbers.
Overall,
when
I
came
out
with
the
September
number,
then
we
projected
that
okay,
we
would
end
with
the
14
million
surplus.
P
Well,
I
just
want
to
clarify
from
the
finance
and
budget
committee
you
you
are
correct
that
we
did.
The
support
was
to
fully
fund
the
pension
and,
if
needed,
to
go
as
high
as
increasing
the
Levy
by
2
million,
but
only
if
needed.
That
was.
That
was
the
point,
not
that
that's
what
we
necessarily
needed
to
do.
That
was
not
what
we.
What
we
said
was:
if
we
had
to
go
there,
we
would
so
I
would
I
would
Advocate
that
it
come
from
the
Surplus.
P
That
is
a
known
deficit,
that
we
have
that's
a
known
liability
that
we
should
take
the
4.5
out
of
there
and
additionally,
I
was
on
the
phone
today
with
idor
we're
going
to
get
another
payment
in
December
with
a
pprt,
so
I
think
we
don't
have
here.
The
projected
year-end
fund
balance
estimates
like
we've
had
all
the
other
years
going
back
to
2013
this
year.
P
We
don't
have
those
and
really,
as
you
know,
the
stewards
of
our
budget
and
and
the
public
should
be
able
to
see
what
those
estimated
year-end
fund
balance
that
summaries
are,
and
this
is
this
year
we
don't
have
it.
We
had
it
last
year
because
all
the
way
back
to
2013,
but
we
don't
have
those
so
no.
P
We
don't
if
I
look
at
all
the
budgets,
I
can
go
from
every
fund
because
all
the
funds
we
have
a
reserve
amount
right,
mostly
it's
16.6,
but
some
funds.
We
keep
a
different
percentage
of
reserve
and
in
previous
years,
there's
an
estimated
also
projected
estimated
year
end
in,
for
example,
like
you
know
that
we're
going
to
get
another
pprt,
we
don't
have
the
estimated
year
in
transfer
text
that
was
available.
We
don't
have
that.
That's
where
we're
at
now,
like
I,
don't
think
we're
we're.
P
Our
pprt
right
now
is
way
over
what
was
budgeted
at
I,
think
3.2
million
and
we're
going
to
get
another
payment
in
December
and
I
know
the
the
fiscal
year
it
was.
It
exceeded
four
million
dollars,
so
you
know
I'm
going
to
guess
that
maybe
the
calendar
year
will
be
similar,
so
I
think
that
additional
funding
isn't
represented
in
here
anyway.
I
would
Advocate
fully
that
we
that
we
take
it
from
our
Surplus
budget.
P
We
have
a
reserve,
a
16.6
that
will
be
more
than
sufficient
to
observe,
shot
any
shocks
next
year
and
not
just
in
the
reserve
fund.
Everybody
should
be
very
clear
that
we
have.
We
have
a
reserve
balances,
we
keep
in
many
funds,
I
think
10
different
funds,
so
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
clear
from
the
finance
and
budget
that
we
we
full.
We
want
to
fully
fund
and
only
if
it
were
necessary
to
go
up
to
2
million
over.
A
This
is
councilor
Newsome
here,
councilman.
Q
Q
O
Thank
you,
councilman
of
news,
mom,
I,
think
yeah,
so
I
replied
to
your
email
and
I'm,
going
back
to
what
we
hear
or
the
see
from
the
IML
or
the
idol.
One
of
the
thing
is
the
most
important
one
mode
could
be:
the
inflation
yes,
I
mean
everybody's,
getting
paid
paid
at
a
higher
rate,
and
the
pprt
is
the
kind
of
when
the
abolish
corporate
income,
tax
property,
personal
property
tax,
and
this
is
paid
by
the
corporations
and
some
of
those
things,
so
they
pay
obviously
on
those
higher
revenues.
O
Just
like
we
get
a
higher
sales
tax
and
other
revenues
on
the
gross
fees.
So
that's
the
one
thing.
Q
O
Right
so,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
you
know,
and
then
they
keep
on
updating
the
IML.
But
that's
why?
What
we
look
at
it
and
not
just
in
the
pprt
but
other
taxis
too.
We
look
at
the
pre-covered
numbers
to
give
us
a
better
idea,
like
say
five
year,
average
from
2014
to
2019.,
and
if
you
would
see
that
graph,
it's
like
more
on
Less
in
line
with
our
range
again,
when
you
see
the
numbers
overall,
their
total
numbers.
O
Out
of
that
we
give,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
too
325
000
to
the
police,
pension
and
280
000
sort
of
a
little
over
600
000
goes
to
the
thing.
That
being
said,
we
had
originally
budgeted
because
we
looked
at
this
higher
number,
as
you
mentioned
council
member
at
1.7
million
dollar,
compared
to
even
over
600
000,
which
was
a
budget
for
22..
O
And
finally,
when
we
looked
at
the
higher
number
in
October,
we
kind
of
again
raised
it
by
half
a
million.
But
this
is
all
yeah
I
mean
it's
subject
to
State
action.
It
is
subject
to
the
like
inflation,
as
it
says.
If
it
goes
down
to
recessions
and
IML
is
even
at
today,
they
are
predicting
that
okay,
there
would
be
a
13
reduction,
so
50.
O
O
O
Yeah,
so
they
see
the
inflation
they
mentioned.
One
of
the
reasons
yeah
could
be
that
okay
they've
kind
of
filled
in
some
of
the
loopholes
in
the
tax
act,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
I
mentioned
in
that
they
are
worried
about
one
of
those
kind
of
tax
change
which
is
coming
from
the
federal
government
and
which
could
impact
now.
These
are
all
uncertainties.
O
Yes,
so
we
don't
know
what
would
happen
whether
it
would
be
a
recessionary
whether
the
inflation
would
be
there
down
to
a
normal
two
percent,
and
that's
why
we
said:
okay,
let's
go
by
the
like
roughly
15
percent,
less
as
imls
is
by
revising
our
budget
upward.
A
Another
another
take
on
this.
R
Mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
Clayton
black
budget
manager,
as
Mr
Desai
said,
so
we
took
a
look
at
all
of
our
revenues
and-
and
this
was
one
that
has
really
confused
us-
a
lot
because
it
has
been
so
much
higher
I.
Think
in
a
nutshell,
as
Mr
Desai
said,
it's
it's
closing
the
loopholes.
It's
a
new
corporate
income
tax
structure
at
the
state
of
Illinois
that
a
democratic
majority
in
Springfield
has
enacted
in
order
to
generate
additional
corporate
income
taxes.
So
largely
you
know,
a
new
tax
structure
closed
loopholes,
higher
income.
R
R
It's
been
really
difficult
to
predict
and
IML
as
Mr
Desai
said,
and
many
other
Publications
has
talked
on
how
difficult
it
has
been
to
predict
and
whether
or
not
it's
sustainable.
So
we've
looked
at
it
really
really
closely.
We
feel
comfortable
with
the
budget
number
we're
at
now,
but
matching
the
totals
of
this
year
and
one
other
additional
point
in
September
2021,
the
state
deposited
a
huge
amount
of
money
into
this
fund
that
was
distributed
in
early
2022,
so
we
actually
got
money
in
2022
that
was
part
of
this
big
transfer
from
2021..
R
So
it's
been
super
sporadic
lots
of
factors
playing
into
this
kind
of
causing
this
this
really
large
number
in
2022..
Q
But
we
can
reasonably
expect
it
to
be.
You
know
significantly
higher
compared
to
previous
years,
because
the
loopholes
have
been
have
been
closed,
just
not
quite
as
high
as
it
was
this
year.
R
As
long
as
this
corporate
income
tax
structure
remains
in
place
by
the
state
of
Illinois,
we
can
expect
it
to
be
higher
than
it
was
in
previous
years,
but
it's
very
new
and
we'll
see
if
it's
sustainable.
A
P
So
just
another
comment
on
the
pprt,
so
there
are,
it
is
sporadic
and
I
agree,
it's
very
complicated
and
very
confusing.
It
dates
back
to
like
1970s
and
how
they
do
their
calculations.
However,
there
are
predictions
and
you
can
file
that
IML
does
give
its
estimates
and
they're
pretty
much
right
on
the
money,
and
so
they
are
predicting
30
about
a
little
over
30
percent
decline
for
next.
P
But
that's
based
on
our
actual
and
the
problem
that
I've
seen
over
the
past
couple
years
is
that
we've
just
had
this
one
sort
of
fixed
number
of
six
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
not
and
there
should
have
been
a
drastic
increase
they
had
predicted
on.
You
know
more
than
a
doubling
by
this
year,
almost
a
tripling
from
2020,
and
but
in
fact
we
just
kept.
P
You
know
budgeting
the
same,
really
low
amount,
so
so,
based
on
our
actual
for
this
year,
which
is
going
to
be
even
larger
than
it
currently
is
now
at
3.2
million,
probably
going
to
exceed
4
million.
Based
on
that,
you
take
that
and
then
it's
reduced
by
the
30,
so
I
just
are
35
I!
Think
that's
where
the
IML
is
what
their
are
estimating,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
that
it's
always
based
on
our
actual.
P
So
our
what
we
have
been
budgeting
over
the
past
couple
years,
it
really
hasn't
reflected
our
actuals
and
what
the
like
the
IMO
and
others
were
predicting
how
much
that
would
increase.
So
in
turn,
the
taxpayers
end
up
paying
so
to
speak.
So
now
I'm
guessing
that
by
Year's
End,
and
this
is
what
I
really
think
we're
all
owed
is
those
year-end
summaries
like
that
have
been
prepared
for
Council
in
the
past
by
fund.
P
You
know
we're
probably
going
to
be
close
to
a
three
million
dollar
Surplus
in
in
the
pp
RT
that
should
go
that
should
go
to
our
to
our
pension.
I
mean
it
is
intended
for
pension,
and
so,
let's
put
that
all
towards
our
pension
and
I.
Think
then,
with
the
addition,
some
of
the
other
additions,
like
in
terms
of
transfer
tax
I,
think
we
can
easily
fund
our
our
pensions
fully
this
year
without
raising
the
levy.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
you
know
goal
is
a
sophisticated
word.
I
think
the
my
goal
is
to
pass
a
good
budget
that
does
the
right
thing
for
the
city
as
quickly
as
that
can
be
done.
I
think
if,
if
we
are
as
a
body
kind
of
converging
on
something
where
there's
a
shared
level
of
comfort,
then
yeah
I
would
say,
vote
tonight
and
make
final
tweaks
and
pass
it
next
Monday.
If
that's
unrealistic,
I
think
we
take
a
little
bit
of
extra
time
and
do
it
right.
E
I
asked
that
because
I
I
just
want
to
gain
an
understanding
of
you
know
where
we
are
on
just
making
a
decision
about
I,
think
there's
agreement,
I
think
I've
seen
agreement
on
almost
everyone
here
with
everyone
here
that
we
should
get
to
100
this
year.
I
think
that's
an
accurate
read
of
the
council,
and
if
that
is
where
we
want
to
get
to
I,
think.
E
We
know
you
know
what
the
pprt
is
going
to
be
for
2023
I.
Think
it's
time
to
maybe
just
make
a
decision
about
how
we
fund
this,
whether
we're
gonna
are,
we
actually
going
to
entertain
raising
property
taxes
to
come
up
with
half
of
the
funding,
or
are
we
going
to
take
this
fully
from
our
general
fund
and
general
fund?
You
know
Surplus,
slash,
Reserve,
some
ready
to
have
that
conversation.
E
And
I
guess:
I'm
supportive,
really
either
way.
I
think
we
need
to
get
there.
I
prefer
to
take
it
from
general
fund
reserves,
but
then
also
thinking
about
long-term.
E
We
may
need
to
raise
property
taxes
at
some
point
for
the
long
term
to
fund
this.
You
know
year
over
year,
is
director.
Desai
said
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
rely
on
general
fund
reserves
year
after
year
to
to
pay
this
down.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
really
the
conversation
we
need
to
have.
Are
we
going
to
raise
property
taxes
this
year,
we're
going
to
shove
that
off
down
the
line
you
know
for
for
next
year,
the
year
after?
A
S
I
had
a
question
for
staff:
I
apologize
for
not
being
there
in
person,
I'm
curious
how
next
not
next
year,
but
it
would
be
the
2024
Capital
Improvement
plan.
S
I
know
next
year
for
2023
we
have.
We
had
a
really
large
number
because
of
covid
and
a
lot
of
projects
being
delayed,
which
you
know
we've.
Obviously
you
know
pump
the
brakes
and
are
further
delaying
a
couple
of
those
projects.
S
Typically,
what
what
number
do
we
spend
on
Capital
improvement
from
year
to
year?
And
how
does
that
potentially
affect
our
our
overall
budget
going
forward.
T
T
What
is
actually
driving
the
increase
in
our
Capital
Improvement
budget
is
actually
one
increasing
costs
over
time.
It
will
just
generally
go
up
to
do
the
same
amount
of
work,
but
particularly
in
parks
and
Facilities.
It's
that
we
have
delayed
work
on
several
buildings
and
several
parks
for
so
long
that
we're
seeing
just
an
increasing
amount
of
projects
that
are
done
to
be
reactive
to
Parks
or
to
equipment
in
buildings
and
Parks,
that's
already
failing
by
the
time
we
get
to
it.
T
The
types
of
failures
that
we're
seeing
aren't
really
related
to
how
much
maintenance
our
maintenance
crew
does
they're
pretty
good
about
getting
around
to
stuff,
although
they
are
also
stretched
somewhat
thin
but
more
like
equipment
that
was
designed
to
last
15
years,
that
is
25
years
old
or
older.
So
those
are
the
kinds
of
things
we're
seeing
and
in
terms
of
replacing
it,
we
would
need
to
play
some
ketchup,
but
even
this
year
I
mean
we
see
what
that
does
to
the
budget.
U
So
you
spoke
to
it
so
again,
a
schedule.
If
we
know
something
is
to
last
15
years.
We
should
be
looking
12
years,
possibly
17.
You
look
below
and
above
that
we
need
to
have
that
schedule
so
that
we
can
then
create
a
budget
that
allows
us
to
do
that
instead,
that
of
all
of
a
sudden
everything's
failed
because
it's
10
years
past
that
point.
T
Staff
has
begun
assembling
information
about
the
expected
life
of
amenities
in
Parks
I
mean
every
amenity
has
its
own
expected
life
and
has
started
to
put
together
some
estimated
costs.
Just
in
big
broad
numbers,
we
have
entered
into
a
contract
with
a
consultant
to
do
a
strategic
master
plan
for
the
park
system,
and
we
will
be
working
with
that
consultant
to
try
to
get
better
information
on
how
to
put
things
onto
a
more
regular
schedule.
A
P
Okay,
so
like,
if
I
wanted
to
have
us
fully
fund
the
pensions
using
the
Surplus,
taking
the
excess
from
the
pprt
plus,
if
it's
an
extra
1.5
out
of
the
14.1
I,
would
make
an
amendment
now.
For
that.
P
Okay,
well
then,
I
guess
I'll
I'll
do
that
now
and
I
could
also
do
it
next
week
correct.
C
A
Really
not
maybe
I'm
on
an
island
here,
I'm
not
sold
of
what
the
you
know.
We
got
an
email
today
from
the
chair
of
the
finance
and
budget
committee
and
I
was
not
the
meeting
that
you
and
Mr
decided
a
different
characterization
of,
but
you
know
he
was
reiterating
this
position
in
opposition
to
putting
the
full
four
and
a
half
additional
million
in
without
a
property
tax
increase,
I'm
interested
in
hearing
more
options
myself,
but
but
certainly
you
can
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
budget
at
any
time,
including
now.
P
So,
okay
well
I'd
like
to
amend
the
budget
now
to
use
the
and
I've
sent
everybody
the
exact
numbers.
Last
time
you
wanted,
the
exact
numbers
do
I
need
to
pull
that
up.
I've
sent.
P
A
V
To
meet
the
the
new
schedule
that
that
has
been
proposed
to
be
fully
funded
for
our
pins
to
be
fully
funded
at
100
percent.
Does
the
foreign
and
a
half
million
take
into
account
the
increase
in
the
pprt
amount
for
2023.
C
O
V
Okay,
so
we
still
need
to
find
four
and
a
half
I
think
my
concern
is:
there
was
a
motion
made
at
the
last
meeting.
To
put
you
know,
2
million
out
of
the
reserves
to
the
reparations
program,
and
so
I
would
want
to
know
what
the
math
is.
Looking
like
at
this
point,
you
know
because
I
don't
know
if
we
can
can
we
are
we
able
to
do
the
four
and
a
half
increase
to
for
our
pensions
and
the
2
million
for
reparations
out
of
the
reserve
fund
without
something
else
happening.
V
I
guess
we
can
do
it,
but
what
would
that
put
our?
What
will
we
be
at
in
terms.
O
V
O
I
mean
it
might
be
hard,
but
because
the
I
don't
know
how
we
would
enter
it
and
even
if
I
go
with
like
say,
14
million
dollar
Surplus
17,
plus
14
million
dollars.
So
we
would
be
right
around
again
at
31
million
and
our
requirement
and
again
the
council
I,
don't
know
whether
take
the
decision
that
the
staff
has
proposed
to
go
to
the
18
percent
this
year
from
16.6
plus
the
additional
expenditure.
O
Mean
it
could
be
more
or
less
because
now
you
are
at
a
higher
path
and
you
have
to
sustain
that
higher
path
and
again,
as
I
said,
pension
funding
is
an
everyday
changing
number
based
on
retirement,
Disability
Pension
stock
market.
How
that
does
so
a
lot
of
kind
of
moving
Parts,
but
that's
yeah.
One
of
the
thing
is
that
this
is
not
one
time
that
okay,
we
give
four
and
a
half,
and
now
okay,
that's
okay.
We
will
go
back
to
the
our
old
days
and
we'll
be
fine.
No
right!
O
I
mean
stock
market
is
the
main
driving
force
too
so
yeah
that
would
impact
but
you're
right
yeah.
It's
like
a
new.
D
O
W
And
I
I
think
Mr
Mayor.
You
made
the
comment
about
the
the
email
we
received
today
from
Mr
Livingston,
chair
of
finance
and
budget
and
I
think
you
know
I
am
concerned,
I
I.
W
D
Well,
I
guess:
I
Echo,
some
of
the
concerns
expressed
by
council
member
Nguyen
I,
do
think
early
on
I
believe
Mr
Desai
mentioned
that
we
should
really
have
a
adopt
a
policy,
a
pension
funding
policy,
and
so
this
planning
work
that
council
member
Wynn
just
mentioned
would
would
result
in
us
having
adopting
a
policy
for
how
we're
going
to
fully
fund
the
pensions
going
forward
and
I
too
am
reluctant
to
dip
too
far
into
the
projected
or
anticipated
or
hoped
for
Reserve,
because
we
do
have
some
other
potential
costly
expenses
that
we
are
that
are
not
in
our
budget.
D
At
the
moment.
For
example,
we
don't
we
don't
know
yet
the
outcome
of
the
negotiations
for
the
wage
increases
for
our
many
of
our
staff
for
next
year
and
that
that
could
really
require
a
considerable
amount
of
our
anticipated
reserves
or
excesses
or
whatever
and
then
I
guess.
I
did
have
a
question
for
council
member
Burns
I
I'm
it
was.
D
It
was
late
when
we
were
talking
last
week,
I
guess
but
I
mean
I
know
that
we
agreed
that
we
wanted
to
use
a
million
dollars
from
our
real
estate
transfer
tax
from
the
from
the
properties
that
sell
for
over
one
and
a
half
million
and
so
I.
But
I.
Don't
remember
this
additional
amount
requested
for
the
reparations
fund.
V
Yet
yeah
and
I'm
not
saying
that.
Okay,
which
is
probably
why
I'm
not
ready
to
vote
on
the
four
and
a
half
today,
because
I
I
want
to
discuss
that.
Along
with
that
special
order
of
business
on
on
the
28th
I
thought
it
was
the
28th
until
she
said
December
something.
V
A
There
is
a
little
bit
of
a
Air
Traffic
Control
problem
here,
let's
say
two
different
motions
passed
last
week:
one
was
to
delay
what
was
actually
on
the
agenda,
which
was
5
million
from
arpa
until
December
12th.
The
other
was
to
put
a
special
order
of
business
for
2
million
from
reserves
on
November
28th.
A
A
So
at
this
time
no
one
is
asking
to
speak
for
the
first
time,
so
we've
got
some
second
cracks
and
a
fourth
crack.
So
we'll
start
with
the
second
people,
respect
requesting
to
speak
for
a
second
time,
which
is
council
member
new
Smith,
followed
by
Reed
council
member
newspaper
with
335
left.
Q
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
have
a
question.
I
want
to
talk
about
our
Reserve
policy,
so
question
for
Mr
Desai
as
I
understand
that
our
policy
or
the
direction
that
we
are
planning
to
go
is
to
slowly
gradually
increase
our
our
Reserve
policy
from
the
16.6
percent
up
to
20
percent
over
a
period
of
four
years
is.
Is
that
something
that
we
have
voted
on?
Is
this
a
formal
policy,
or
is
this
our
kind
of
informal
understanding
at
this
point.
O
Council,
member
newsman,
that
is
the
staff
proposal.
What
council
is
adopted,
as
of
now
is
16.66.
O
Q
Thank
you.
Yeah
I
will
suggest
that,
given
a
potential
looming
recession
in
2023,
you
plus
the
uncertainty
on
our
expense
side
with
regards
to
our
our
four
Union
contracts,
not
to
mention
the
discussion
we're
having
about
trying
to
find
whatever
funding,
we
can
to
you
know
to
fund
our
pensions
at
100.
That
I
don't
think
it
is
wise
to
increase
our
Reserve
policy
for
2023.
Q
O
I
mean
so
just
to
clarify
and
again
yeah.
The
staff
has
to
go
by
the
council's
direction.
What
we
have
suggested
is
18
for
the
next
year,
then
19
and
then
finally,
the
20
percent,
so
I
don't
know
what
direction
you
want
that
we
hold
off
just
for
next
year
or
we
totally
take
it
out
entirely
and
leave
it
as
16.66.
Q
E
I
will
agree
with
councilmember
newsomer
there.
I
also
think
we
should
keep
our
Reserve
balance
at
16.66
for
now
I
also.
Well,
things
have,
you
know,
shifted
a
bit.
I
do
want
to.
You
know
note
two
things,
because
I've
heard
the
word
Reserve
used
for
where
this
pension
funding
is
coming
from
and
from
my
understanding,
it's
not
coming
from
our
Reserve,
it's
coming
from
our
Surplus
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
on
on
that
language,
because
it
it's
important,
there's
a
difference.
E
I'm
not
going
to
go
deep
into
it.
But
I
do
want
to
note
that
with
what
mayor
best
said
that
the
two
million-
that's
not
on
the
agenda
tonight,
but
it
you
know
it
should
be
on
our
minds.
The
two
million
four
reparations
is
very
different
from
the
economic
development
funding.
The
economic
development
funding
would
be
for
a
new
program.
E
The
2
million
would
be
to
cover
our
seniors,
who
are
our
ancestors
as
the
term,
with
the
reparations
program
who
have
not
yet
received
funding
so
to
go
through
operations,
but
very
different
uses
of
the
funds
and
I
don't
want
them
to
get
too
muddied
with
each
other
because
they
shouldn't
that's
it
for
now.
Thank
you.
V
O
O
E
I
think
there
is
you
know,
dipping
into
our
reserves
is
something
that
we
should
take
with
the
different
sense
of
caution
than
dipping
into
Surplus
and
I.
Just
I
really
think
that
needs
to
be
hammered.
Yes,
it's
all
money.
That's
in
the
bank!
That's
not
allocated
to
something,
but
dipping
into
your
savings
is
much
different
than
dipping
into
extra
money
that
you've
got
lying
around
and.
O
A
Yeah
I
guess
I.
A
Why
I'm
waiting
into
this,
but
in
a
moment
of
weakness,
great
point,
except
that
the
Surplus
is
potentially
somewhat
artificial
right?
It's
not
it's
not
like.
Oh
we're,
gonna
have
a
surplus
every
year
forever,
and
so
every
year
we
get
to
decide
what
to
do
with
it.
It's
more
of
we've
got
you
know
a
lot
of
vacancies
which
contribute
to
the
Surplus.
We
have
Federal
significant
Federal
funding
that
assisted
Us
in
various
ways.
That
is
either
that's.
A
You
know
proposed
to
be
entirely
expended
shortly,
and
then
we
have
this
kind
of
anticipated
cost
trajectory
related
to
both
inflation
and
the
collective
bargaining,
and
so
I
mean,
of
course,
the
Surplus
becomes
a
Reserve
at
midnight
on
New,
Year's,
Eve
and
I.
Don't
know
that
we
have
the
luxury
of
anticipating
future
surpluses,
and
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
of
it
in
quite
the
same
way
as
I
would.
If
it
was
like
a
oh
every
year
we
get
to
spend
our
Christmas
bonus.
Let's,
let's
decide
what
to
do
with
it.
A
This
year,
councilmember
Kelly,
from
whom
I
still
have
not
received
an
email.
Is
that
correct.
P
If
that's,
where
we're
at
that's
what
I'm
hearing
so
but
well,
one
thing
I
also
want
to
say:
Mr
Livingston
wrote
not
on
behalf
of
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
I
want
to
make
that
very
clear.
That
was
his
personal
opinion,
but
he
was
there
when
we
all,
you
know
unanimously
agreed
to
fully
fund
at
the
time
at
the
finance
and
budget
committee.
So
I
want
to
make
that
point.
P
I
also
want
to
make
it
clear
that
that
I
agree
with
councilmember
Reed.
There
is
a
difference.
We
are
allocating
16.6,
which
is
about
20
a
little
over
20
million
dollars
towards
our
Reserve
fund
that
we
agreed
on
the
Surplus
is
above
and
beyond
that,
and
but
we
don't
really
have
a
clear
accountingness
here
and
that
really
we
really
need
that
and,
as
you
know,
Mr
black
point
now
to
me.
P
We
we
didn't
include
that
in
this
year's
budget
we
haven't
passed
budgets
where
you
could
see
the
year
end,
what
remained
in
the
in
the
final,
what
they
called
the
the
the
ending
fund
balance.
We
would
get
these
general
fund
summaries,
ending
fund
balance
and
what
percent
of
the
fund
that
represents.
So
you
would
know
how
much
we
need
to
Levy
in
order
to
get
to
that
16.6.
So
it
would
be
I
think
for
the
sake
of
transparency,
I
would
say,
since
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
hold
this
over
this
evening.
P
P
I
would
ask
if
we
could
get
that
for
our
next
meeting.
I.
Think
that
that's
really
you
know
about
transparency
and
for
us
to
be
informed
when
we
make
that
decision
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
vote
blindly,
not
really
understanding
it.
You
know,
I
trust
what
you
say,
that
we
have
14.1
million
and
we've
levied
for
the
for
the
16.6,
but
but
we
can't
really
see
those
numbers,
so
it
would
be
nice
in
the
budget.
I
know
in
the
budget.
P
P
These
general
fund
summaries
with
the
ending
fund
balance
and
we
even
have
the
estimated
year
end,
which
we
don't
have
this
year
either
so
I
think
that
would
be
great
also
in
terms
of
for
folks
to
be
able
to
make
a
more
informed
decision
with
regard
to
you
know
whether
or
not
to
again,
as
council
member
Reed
pointed
out,
take
it
from
the
Surplus
we're
not
talking
about
touching
that
cushion.
We
we
set
aside
16.6
to
absorb
those
shocks
that
mayor
Biz
spoke
of.
P
A
A
O
A
Seeing
that
again,
I
guess
no
one
has
all
right.
So
we'll
go
to
folks
asking
to
speak
for
a
second
time,
which
is
to
say
councilmember
burns
with
four
minutes
left.
V
So
let's
say
we
used
increases
in
our
property
tax
levy
to
to
to
meet
the
increase
in
our
pension.
Contributions
to
you
know,
identify
a
source
of
funding
to
consistently
maintain
those
increases
does
can
we
both
do
that,
but
also
years
where
there
is
a
surplus
say
all
right?
We
don't
need
to
increase
the
levy
because
there
is
a
surplus
and
there's
a
will
from
the
council
to
use
the
surplus
funds
in
that
year
instead
of
property
increases.
A
Next,
with
a
minute
20
left
is
council
member
Reed.
E
A
In
that
case,
let
me
jump
in
okay,
so
I
have
two
I,
have
sort
of
a
question.
A
I
have
a
question
and
a
comment.
The
question
is
very
similar
to
councilmember
Burns
question,
but
for
this
year
in
particular,
it
seems
to
me
and
I'll
acknowledge
that
a
lot
of
numbers
went
by
fast,
but
it
seems
to
me
there's
still
a
disagreement
between
council
member
Kelly
and
others
about
what
appropriate
Revenue
estimate
for,
for
example,
the
pprt
is
perhaps
even
also
the
real
estate
transfer
tax.
It
also
appears
to
be
the
case.
There's
some
inevitable
ambiguity
about
what
our?
A
What
are,
what
are
your
intactual
will
be
in
2022,
given
that
it's
November
now
is
it?
What
are?
Could
you
enumerate
some
options
along
the
lines
of
hey?
Here's,
the,
for
example.
Here's
the
pprt
revenue
that
we're
assuming,
but
we
recognize
it,
may
go
over
in
the
event
that
it
goes
over.
The
overage
goes
up
to
the
pensions
or
something
analogous
for
our
end
of
year.
2022
or
something
analogous
for
Rett
are.
Are
there
some
options
like
that
that
you
could
enumerate
for
us
I.
O
A
I'm
not
asking
about
the
fund
balance
at
all.
The
thumbnails
is
unrelated
to
what
I'm
discussing
what
I'm
saying
is.
You
know,
I
I
am
really
sensitive
to
the
history
that
you've
described
to
me
privately.
That
I
think
you've
also
described
at
the
dioces
that
there
have
been
years
that
there's
been
pressure
from
up
here
to
increase
Revenue
estimates
and
then
those
kind
of
elected
official
driven
estimates
turned
out
to
be
wrong
and
we
were
in
a
really
bad
spot
at
the
end
of
the
year.
A
So
I'm
I
I
appreciate
your
being
assertive
on
that,
but
also
part
of
being
assertive
and
conservative
is
that
we
kind
of
expect
you
there's
a
decent
chance.
You
will
miss.
You
will
understood
what
I'm
saying
is.
Could
we
put
into
the
budget
on
particularly
on
some
of
these
kind
of
hot
button,
Revenue
areas
where
there
really
seems
to
be
a
difference
of
opinion
and
and
as
as
Mr
Black
indicated,
just
some
real
uncertainty
right
like
whoa?
A
Who
knows
exactly
what's
going
on
with
pprit
and
therefore,
who
knows
what's
going
to
go
on
next
year?
Could
we
perhaps
allocate
hypothetical
Revenue
that
would
increase
your
more
conservative
projection
to
the
pension
fund
sounds
like
there's
some
people
who
are
really
confident
that's
going
to
come
in
and
but
also
it
allows
us
to
have
the
contingency
in
the
event
that
it
doesn't
I.
O
If
we
get
revenues
above
102
percent,
three
percent,
any
excess
would
go
towards
that
or
you
can
go
like,
particularly
if
we
talk
more
about
real
estate
transfers
and
ppret
that
okay,
if
we
have
more
than
105
in
those
line
items,
then
we
would
any
excess
would
go
to
so
yeah
I
mean
there
are
many
ways
we
can
try
to
have
that
kind
of
more
like
dedicated
source
of
Revenue,
like
something
happened
here
for
reparations
million
dollars
for
graduated
transport
tax.
Similar
to
that,
yes,.
A
Thanks
I
think
that's
worth
and
I
know.
There's
next
Monday
is
a
week
from
today
and
there's
a
lot
of
holiday
time
between
now
and
then,
but
I.
Think
it's
worth
thinking
through
that,
for
obvious
reasons,
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
say
in
the
spirit
of
a
comment
is
I:
do
really
want
to
join
the
course
of
people
saying
whatever
we
decide
this
year.
We
should
not.
We
should.
We
should
view
this
as
like.
A
It's
the
you
know
right
before
the
buzzer
we're
just
gonna.
Do
our
best
do
a
good
faith
effort,
but
not
the
way
we
ought
to
do
this
in
general
and
I
think
we
ought
to
have
a
policy
I
think
the
policy
ought
to
be
yes,
illustrative
of
how
we
fund
whatever
level
of
funding
we
we
determine,
but
also
I,
think
it
should
be
a
real
decision,
given
a
lot
of
different
options
which
do
exist
of
what
we
want.
Our
funding
schedule
to
be
right.
A
The
state
gives
us
a
formula
and
I
think
we
we're
having
this
conversation,
because
we
don't
really
trust
the
state's
formula,
rightly
in
my
opinion,
but
then
what
we're
saying
is:
let's
just
change
the
90
to
100
and
call
it
a
day
when,
in
fact,
there's
a
number
of
assumptions
embedded
in
the
state's
formulas
assumptions
about
how
they
smooth
investment
returns.
There's
assumptions
that
we
make
about
our
discount
rate
of
some
discount
rates,
there's
just
basic
different
types
of
formulas
utilized.
A
You
know
those
of
you
who
follow
this
on
the
state
level
have
seen
you
know.
Ralph
Martini
has
been
advocating
for
structuring
a
pension
payment
as
a
mortgage,
so
it
doesn't
increase
with
inflation
at
all.
A
There's
a
million
different
options
and
I
I,
don't
think
we
should
just
say:
100
is
a
better
number
than
90
and
end
the
conversation
there
I
think
we
should
just
make
a
determination
with
a
long-term
plan
of
what
we
think
is
truly
the
most
responsible
way
of
doing
this
and
I
think
it's
great
that
this
year,
we'll
just
find
as
much
money
as
we
can
to
supplement
the
inadequate
status
quo.
A
A
E
I,
don't
like
being
publicly
mistaken
and
I
was
publicly
mistaken
here
on
this
dice
last
week,
when
I
assume
that
the
motor
field
tax
was
three
cent
as
opposed
to
five
cent.
It
was
changed
a
few
years
ago
by
a
former
Council
I
still
think
we
should
increase
the
motor
field
tax
by
just
one
cent,
it'll
bring
in
less
Revenue
than
I
anticipated,
because
that
was
assuming
that
his
three
cents
it'll
probably
bring
in
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
E
E
For
once,
an
increase
right,
yeah,
so
I
I
think
you
know
that
that
one
cent
there
would
still
be
substantial
and
help
us
move
toward
our
carb
goals.
We'd
still
be
below
Chicago
some
folks.
You
know,
with
the
other
estimate
award
that
things
might
blow
up.
If
we
were
to
move
to
five
cent
and
well
we've
been
there
for
a
few
years
and
guess
what
folks
are
still
here,
so
another
Penny
I,
don't
think
is
going
to
just
as
that
two
cent
a
few
years
ago,
didn't
have
a
major
impact.
E
H
E
Know
none
of
this
is
ever
easy.
You
know
there's
some
arguments.
You
know
some
folks
refer
to
the
will
taxes
regressive.
E
You
know,
that's
that's
an
assumption.
You
know
some
folks
may
see
the
motor
fuel
taxes
aggressive.
That's
also
an
assumption.
I
think
you
know
again
if
we're
putting
this
money
into
increasing
Mobility
if
we're
putting
it
into
protecting
our
environment.
I
think
a
one
cent
increase
makes
sense
and
so
I'd
still
like
to
move
forward
with
that.
If
there's
still
support
and
again,
this
Revenue
can,
as
I
said,
support
our
car
I'd
want
this.
That
wants
an
increase
to
be
dedicated
to
you,
know,
meeting
our
carb
goals
through
transportation.
A
So
customer,
first
of
all,
your
time
is
up.
Secondhole
didn't
didn't
emotion,
pass
on
this
last.
C
E
V
A
E
Of
information
or
something
yeah,
I
I
would
support
a
hold.
I
mean
a
tabling
if
that
motion
is
made
and
I
I
think
you
know
to
your
to
Mayor
to
your
point
that
you've
made
a
number
of
times.
If
we're
planning
on
adopting
the
budget
next
week,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
making
a
you
know
a
bunch
of
amendments
to
it
and
then
adopting
in
the
same
night.
E
We
should
make
those
amendments
allow
that
week
of
or
at
least
a
week
of
breathing
time
and
then
adopt
it,
so
I
either
support
a
hold
tonight.
I
mean
a
tabling
tonight
or
something
so
I'll.
Second,
that
councilmember
Kelly.
C
P
A
Kelly
moves
to
table
special
orders
of
business,
one
through
eight
to
the
November
28th
regular
meeting
of
the
oven
city
council.
Is
there
a
second
councilmember
Winn
seconds?
Is
there
any
discussion
seeing
down
to
the
clear
please
take
the
role.
Q
A
U
A
A
With
eight
footing
in
favor
and
then
voting
against,
the
motion
carries
an
item.
Ordinance
116-0-22
is
passed
and
this
was
for
Action.
Would
someone
care
to
make
a
motion
on
item
sp10,
I'll.
A
A
A
A
U
Just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
our
award
meeting
is
November
29th
at
Evanston
Township
High
School
I
wanted
to
commend
the
black
employees
for
standing
up
for
their
rights
and
being
brave
and
courageous
to
talk
about
that
and
I
look
forward
to
everyone
having
a
safe
and
Happy
Thanksgiving.
Thank
you.
W
E
Yes,
our
eighth
Ward
meeting
will
obviously
not
be
next
Thursday,
as
it's
Thanksgiving,
so
Happy
Thanksgiving
to
all
of
my
colleagues
and
eighth
Waters
to
pay
attention
this
late
at
night
and
other
folks
so
we'll
be
having
it
December
1st.
Well,
instead
of
a
Saturday
we're
just
going
to
do
it.
The
next
Thursday
at
six
o'clock,
and
so
notice,
will
go
out
about
that.
S
Ninth
Ward
meeting
will
be
December.
December
7th
at
seven
o'clock.
It'll
be
virtual,
again
hope
to
see
you
all
there
and
have
a
Happy
Thanksgiving.
P
A
That
concludes
call
of
the
awards
and
our
next
councilmember
nusma
is
recognized
to
make
a
motion.
Thank.
Q
You
Mr
Mayor
pursuant
to
five
Illinois
compiled
statutes.
120-2A
I
move
that
the
city
council
convened
into
executive
session
to
discuss
agenda
items
regarding
litigation.
This
agenda.
E
Point
of
information
I
do
see
Personnel
matters
in
the
list
here.
So
do
you
want
to
include
that
exemption
as
well.