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A
B
You
councilmember
nusma.
C
D
B
Member
Breville
here,
council,
member
Reed
council
member
here,
was
that
councilmember
reader
here
or
correct
okay
council
member
Kelly
here
councilmember
Harris
councilmember
one
here.
A
Great
seeing
as
we
have
a
quorum,
we'll
begin
with
I
think
we'll
skip
right
to
the
city
manager,
public
announcements.
Thank
you
good.
E
F
Good
evening
council
members
I
was
here
a
couple
weeks
ago.
My
name
is
Rob
Bush
and,
as
the
manager
has
said,
I
am
the
chair
of
the
Park
and
Recreation
Commission
for
the
City
of
Evanston.
I
am
a
40-plus
year
resident
of
the
city
and
I
would
say
a
proud
member
of
this
community
before
I
go
into.
What
we
have
is
our
recommendations
for
the
CIP
program.
I
want
to
put
this
conversation
in
some
context.
F
F
I,
don't
think
that's
too
much
to
ask
and
when
I
say
I
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
full
pork
board,
all
of
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
presented
to
you
were
unanimously
approved
by
the
park
board
so
that
these
are
not
just
from
me.
These
are
from
the
full
Park
Board.
F
F
The
city
has
hired
a
consultant
who
has
done
a
number
of,
has
done
and
will
do
other
meetings
for
the
public
and
at
one
of
the
last
meetings
held
at
the
excuse
me,
the
new
Crown
Center.
There
was
a
board
put
up
that
showed
that
Evanston
contributed
31
thousand
dollars
for
in
operating
expenditures
per
acre
of
Parkland.
F
So
so
we
have
we.
The
park
board
have
come
up
with
10
priorities,
which
we
believe
aren't
are
essential
for
the
city
council
to
approve
going
forward
as
part
of
whether
it's
CIP
or
whether
it's
regular
Park
expenditures
or
whether
it's
public
works.
We
don't
care
where
you
where
it
comes
from.
We
just
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
continue,
if
we're
going
to
start
having
good
parks
in
this
city,
again
that
we
that
we
use
enough
funds
in
order
to
accomplish
that,
the
first
is
to
fund
The
Five-Year
Plan
to
renovate
Legacy
Parks.
F
F
These
are
11
Parks
throughout
the
city
and
some
each
one
of
you
virtually
each
one
of
you
has
at
least
one
of
these
parks
in
your
War,
and
these
Parks
have
not
had
any
substantial
improvements
or
investment
in
at
least
26
years
and
Public
Works
has
identified
any
number
of
pieces
of
equipment
benches
sidewalks,
whatever
that
pose
significant
hazards
to
the
public
and,
frankly,
we'd
love
to
be
up
here
and
say.
We
need
to
fix
all
of
these
all
at
once.
F
F
F
The
reason
that
we,
the
Public
Works
in
essence,
has
set
out
A
Five-Year
Plan
to
renovate
these
Parks
is
because
they
don't
have
either
the
personnel
or
the
engineering
to
do
it
all
at
once,
and
so
they
have
set
forth
a
plan
that
over
the
next
five
years,
we
can
bring
these
Parks
up
to
some
semblance
of
of
usability
over
the
next
five
years,
though
you
may
see,
in
fact,
it'll
probably
be
our
recommendation
in
order
to
reduce
the
potential
exposure
for
liability
from
injuries
from
the
condition
of
equipment
at
these
parks
that
they'd
be
cordoned
off.
F
F
Second,
is
that
related
to
the
first
is
to
enable
the
parks
to
be
kept
in
a
positive
and
attractive
condition.
You
need
to
fund
sufficient
staff
to
maintain
them.
As
I
said,
we
don't
have
enough
people
to
remove
equipment.
We
don't
have
enough
people
to
design
new
products
new
equipment.
We
don't
have
enough
people
to
install
new
equipment,
there's
more
to
maintaining
Parks
than
going
out
and
cutting
the
grass
and
sometimes
I.
Don't
think
we
have
enough
people
to
do
that.
F
So
part
of
what
we
are
asking
you
to
do
is
to
be
sure
that,
as
you
look
at
your
personnel
expenditures
and
your
personnel
numbers
that
you
hire
sufficient
numbers
of
full-time
and
part-time
employees
and
sufficient
Consultants
to
design
the
parks-
and
we
can
either
do
it
by
in-house
Consultants
or
or
outside
Consultants-
to
design
one-part
project
at
a
time.
But
but
it's
vital
to
have
the
people
in
order
to
perform
the
work
so
that
we
can
have
sufficient
parts
all
right.
F
This
one's
fun,
pickleball
isn't
going
away,
and
it's
something
that
the
park
board
has
been
dealing
with
for
at
least
the
last
year.
Having
groups
coming
to
us
requesting
pickleball
having
tennis
groups
coming
to
us,
saying
you
really
can't
put
pickleball
lines
on
a
tennis
court.
Having
Neighbors
coming
to
us
saying.
Have
you
heard
what
pickleball
sounds
like
if
you've
got
two
or
three
or
four
courts
going
at
the
same
time?
F
And
so
we
we
want
you
to
be
ready
to
identify
in
order
to
accept
when
we
identify
a
location
for
a
dedicated,
pickleball
Center,
so
that
Evanston
can
be
one
of
those
places
that
attracts
pickleball
activities,
attracts
pickleball,
tournaments
and
and
caters
to
the
pickle,
the
growing
pickleball
population.
In
this
town
we
have
some
at
Crown
Center
inside
we
have
some
at
the
Y.
We
have
some
that
we
have
used
both
for
tennis
and
for
pickleball,
but
well
there's
been
a
suggestion
of
a
location
at
James
Park.
F
We
are
working
diligently
to
try
and
find
some
place
that
is
going
to
satisfy
both
the
pickleball
players
and
the
residents
to
ensure
that
we
were
successful
in
in
establishing
a
growing
pickleball
activity
here
in
Evanston
next,
the
Ecology
Center
has
not
been
repaired
in
a
long
time
and
there's
floor
joists.
F
That
needs
to
be
replaced,
ventilation
of
crawl
space,
and
we
can
give
you
all
of
the
details
when,
if
you
ask
for
it,
but
we
would
certainly
request
that
you
allocate
sufficient
funds
to
renovate
the
Ecology
Center,
it's
a
great
place,
I'm
sure
you
have
all
been
there.
If
you
haven't
been
there,
you
should
go
and
see
what
what's
going
on
there.
F
F
Next,
we
will
we
ask
that
you
fund
the
Bend
Park
field
house
renovation.
This
field
house
has
been
damaged
for
over
a
year
from
vandalism
with
with,
and
we
have
some
options
being
considered,
but
these
really
have
to
be
implemented
as
soon
as
possible.
We
were
not
able
to
operate
a
summer
camp
at
this
park
this
past
year,
because
we
don't
have
a
sufficient
building.
F
Ben
park
has
been
a
very
positive
influence
in
the
neighborhood
and
in
the
community,
and
both
the
field
house
and
structured
restrooms,
rather
than
porta
potties,
are
essential
to
have
a
positive
and
continue
to
a
positive
influence
in
that
community.
F
Next,
in
2021,
the
public
works
department
and
the
Park
and
Recreation
board
did
a
study
amongst
the
city
residents
on
where
to
put
a
dog
park
right
now
we
have
one
dog
park,
Pooch
Park,
that
no
one
can
walk
to
that.
We
share
with
the
Skokie
Park
District,
and
that
is
subject
to
the
auspices
of
the
mwrd.
F
We
finally
have
a
dog
beach,
which
is
subject
to
the
vagaries
of
of
Lake
Michigan
and
a
dog.
Beach
is
not
the
same
as
a
dog
park.
For
those
of
you
who
have
used
both
I,
believe
you
understand
the
difference
between
the
two
once
ice
gets
formed
on
Lake
Michigan
or
it
gets
on
the
sand.
You're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
the
dog
beach
at
all.
F
So
in
2021,
900
of
1800
respondents
said
that
the
Clark
Square
was
the
primary
location
for
another
dog
park,
and
recently
a
council
member
nuzma
has
recommended
that
there
be
a
dog
park,
put
it
gray,
Park,
and
so
both
of
these
locations
would
enable
significant
numbers
of
local
residents
to
walk
their
dogs
to
a
dog
park,
to
have
a
local
dog
park
and
to
have
something
more
for
78
000
people
than
just
a
single
dog
park
that
stuck
off
by
Sam's
Club,
requiring
an
automobile
to
get
there.
F
F
Welcome
councilmember
Burns
and
congratulations
on
your
new
addition.
Thank
you,
sir
next
Chandler
Jim
Chandler
Jim
is
turned
into
just
a
wonderful
Center
for
gymnastics
and
other
recreational
activities.
Recreational
programs
and,
in
order
to
both
support
what
we
have
there
now
and
to
to
increase
the
the
opportunity
for
gymnastics
and
other
other
recreational
programs
for
mostly
young
people.
F
Funding
Chandler,
gym
upgrades
is,
is
a
significant,
wouldn't
be
a
significant
Improvement
to
both
that
that
facility
and
to
the
programs
that
it
offers.
So
we
would
ask
you
to
fund
the
jandler
Chim
Chandler
gym
upgrades.
F
Public
restrooms
have
been
a
interesting
topic
that
we've
been
discussing
at
the
park
board
for
the
last
several
months,
and
all
we're
suggesting
to
you
is
that,
as
we
look
at
the
park
facilities,
the
permanent
Park
facilities
that
we
make
a
significant
effort
to
include
public
restrooms
and
not
just
temporary
porta-potties
as
part
of
those
buildings,
it
allows
for
more
neighborhood
programming,
By
The,
Park
and
Recreation
Department,
and
enables
a
much
a
much
greater
Public,
Safety
and
public
security
by
having
some
place
stable
and
secure
to
use
as
a
public
race.
Restroom.
F
Another
priority
we've
identified
is
to
fund
The,
Levy
Center
kitchen
renovation.
This
is
our
the
primary
Senior
Center
for
Evanston
seniors
and
the
kitchen
there
is
is
not
up
to
standards,
and
so
the
seniors
don't
have
the
ability
to
have
the
kinds
of
programs
and
food
food
service
and
other
kinds
of
of
activities
that
can
be
supported
by
a
state-of-the-art
or
even
just
a
modernized,
kitchen
Center.
F
Now
that's
our
10
as
I'm
sure
you
can
imagine.
We
could
have
tripled
this
list,
but
to
keep
your
jaws
off
the
tables
we
we
have
kept
it
to
10,
but
I'll
go
back
to
what
I
said
at
the
beginning.
F
We
have
88
parks
in
town,
but
we
have
you
probably
count
on
one
hand
the
number
of
parks
large
enough
to
do
actual
recreational
activities,
so
maintaining
local
parks
is
as
important
as
as
keeping
the
Little
League
fields
and
and
the
football
fields
and
soccer
fields
playable
this
money.
It's
not
a
big
ask.
F
Five
percent
of
your
budget
is
not
a
bit
at
Big
ask
so
in
addition
to
the
100
million
dollar
Lakefront
renovation
and
the
20
million
dollar
Bond
debt
issues
that
you're
talking
about
dealing
with
this
and
these
these
identified
priorities
should
be
just
that
should
be
priorities
for
this,
this
Council
and
for
this
community.
F
So
if
you
all
have
any
questions,
I
have
a
great
deal
of
support
from
the
a
number
of
Park
board
members
and
from
Audrey
Thompson
who's,
our
executive
director,
who
we
cannot
say
enough
good
things
about,
so
we
appreciate
her
assistance
and
we
hope
that
we're
helping
her
but
she's
the
one
who
forced
me
to
get
up
here
today.
So
any
questions.
A
G
Sure
one
thing
I
want
to
just
clarify
and
Luke,
please
correctly
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
issue
at
bent
Park
isn't
a
matter
of
funding.
It's
a
matter
of
Staffing.
E
G
Repair,
the
field
house,
it's
a
matter
of
the
Staffing
to
run
the
project.
Yes,
okay
and
then
the
other
thing
is,
as
we
distinguish
parks
in
to
categories
of
neighborhood
parks
and
Community
Parks.
Do
we
take
into
account
parks
where
we
charge
organizations
to
use
them
and
are
those
classified
in
a
different
way
and
I'm
thinking,
specifically
about
Cartwright
Park,
which
is
I've,
seen
cons
classified
as
a
neighborhood
park,
but
we
charge
AYSO
to
use
the
field
there?
Do
we
prioritize
facilities
and
parks
where
we
charge
fees
for
use.
F
I
think
the
answer
that
is
no
but
I
will
ask
Laura
or
Audrey
if
there's
a
different,
if
I,
don't
think
the
fact
that
we
charge
for
the
use
of
a
park
offers
any
greater
incentive
for
us
to
provide
maintenance
for
it.
Of
course,
if
you're
going
to
be
using
a
grass
field
for
soccer,
you
have
to
be
sure
that
it's
that
it's
cut
yeah.
G
Yeah
I
mean
yeah
and
I
know:
Cartwright
has
its
own
challenges,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
wet
weather
and
the
ability
to
mow
it
and
I
mean
I've
seen
soccer
games
there
that
are
played
on
some
pretty
soggy
long,
shaggy,
Fields
I
know
the
fees
are
raised
for
field
usage
at
James
park
for
Evanston
baseball
and
that
created
a
problem.
I'll
tell
you
my
for.
H
G
Because
my
understanding
is
that
the
timing
of
that
was,
after
they
had
set
the
fees
for
the
spring.
You
know
my
own
personal
experience.
Every
Saturday
a
lot
of
10
year
olds
from
Evanston
go
to
Mount
Prospect
to
play
baseball,
I'm.
Sure,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
that,
but
I
mean
you
have
a
lot
of
Evans
and
families
going
to
other
communities
to
utilize
our
facilities
and
I.
Think
that
makes
your
point
that
we
need
to
invest
in
our
own
as
far
as
the
Levy
Center.
What
let.
F
H
F
A
hiccup
amongst
the
members
of
that
group
over
the
course
of
time
it'll
be
kept
in
a
in
a
more
regular
fashion
and
we're
not
going
to
be
raising
fees
more
than
I
think
every
other
year.
Okay,.
G
Happened:
yeah
I
mean
that
may
be
a
house
question
I.
Think
in
instances
where
we
have
one
customer
better
coordination
is
something
that
we
could
all
aspire
to
yep
but
as
it
relates
to
the
Levy
Center.
What
type
of
investment
are
we
looking
at
in
the
kitchen
and
do
we
see
a
path
recouping
that
investment
sure.
I
Hello,
my
name
is
Laura
Biggs
I'm,
the
city
engineer
and
I
apologize
because
I
ran
in
here
without
the
budget
list.
That
says
exactly
what
we
propose
to
spend
on
Levy
kitchen,
but
the
investment
does
not
really
get
recouped
by
the
fees
that
we
charge.
The
kitchen
is
currently
used
for
rentals
and
I
believe
also
just
I
think
just
for
rentals,
because
it's
very
limited.
J
But
as
it
stands
now,
Audrey
Thompson,
director,
Parks
and
Rec
as
it
stands
now,
there's
not
a
lot
of
equipment
that
works
in
the
kitchen,
except
for
the
refrigeration,
and
so
with
the
new
hire
for
our
food
service
coordinator.
Even
having
those
types
of
rentals
that
would
use
the
kitchen
space
would
be
very
difficult
and
so
having
a
renovation
for
that
kitchen
would
allow
us
to
have
additional
rentals.
That
would
include
the
kitchen
space.
Okay,.
G
G
G
What
happens?
Is
these
organizations
either
use
the
fields
less
or
they
provide
fewer
opportunities
for
practices
and
games?
And
then
what
you
get-
and
this
is
antithetical
to
the
mission
of
the
parks
department?
Is
you
get
Evans
and
families
that
are
participating
in
recreation
in
other
communities
because
their
offerings
are
superior,
so
I
I'd
hope,
as
we
continue
this
discussion,
that
we'll
look
into?
G
How
can
we
maximize
the
use
of
these
facilities
and
these
parks
in
Evanston
for
the
purpose
of
Evanston,
Recreation
and-
and
you
know
the
the
big
thing
that
these
Parks
do
is
before
kids
get
to
high
school?
It's
one
of
the
only
ways
that
kids
from
around
the
city
interact,
and
so
it's
really
important
that
we
make
sure
that
we've
got
facilities
all
over,
that
are
usable
in
different
weather
conditions
and
that
are
rentable
by
organizations
and
that
that's
financially
feasible
for
them,
because
otherwise,
like
the
whole
thing
falls
apart.
I
G
Yeah
and
I
mean
when
we're
not
a
for-profit
entity,
I
mean
like
so
it
you
know.
But
if,
if
you
look
at
like
the
advantage
of
the
turf
fields
that
Robert
Crown
it's
that
schedules
are
able
to
be
adhered
to
in
a
way
that
they're
not
at
a
place
like
Cartwright,
where
the
fields
and
I'm,
not
even
it's
generous
to
call
them
Fields,
it's
great,
it's
painted
grass,
it
doesn't
drain.
G
I
mean
like
we
need
to
be
able
to
assure
our
partners
that
their
schedule
will
work
because
a
lot
of
times
their
seasons
are,
you
know
spring
and
fall
or
weather
is
unpredictable,
but.
F
A
couple
things
one
to
answer
your
question
about
the
cost
of
the
Levy
Center
kitchen:
it's
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
Parks
projects
budget
and
two
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
the
the
Crown
Center
field,
the
turf
field
that
has
a
useful
life
of
10
to
15
years,
and
it's
going
to
be
essential
that
this
Council
put
away
enough
money
to
have
that
field
repaired
or
replaced
within
those
10
or
15
years.
It's
a
wonderful
facility
and
it
is
used
all
the
time
is.
F
There
is
some,
but
it's
it's
not
if
it's
continues
to
be
set
at
the
amount
that
it's
at
the
level
that
it's
been
set
and
that
the
amounts
annually
it
will
not
be
enough.
It
will
not
be
close
to
enough
to
repair,
replace
and
operate
that
field
in
the
kind
of
condition
that
attracts
the
people
from
Mount,
Prospect
and
Skokie
and
Wilmette,
and
all
the
other
communities
to
come
to
Evanston
to
play
on
our
field.
F
But
for
for
the
Evanston
residents
to
be
able
to
use
that
field
indefinitely,
it's
going
to
need
significant
investment
over
the
course
of
of
years
in
order
to
maintain
it
as
an
appropriate
facility,
turf
field,
and
it's
it's.
The
main
advantage
of
a
turf
field
is
that
you
can
play
on
it
during
and
after
a
rainstorm,
it
needs
virtually
the
same
amount
of
Maintenance
as
a
grass
field.
Does
it
doesn't
get
reseeded,
but
it
gets
repellent.
F
G
I
I
would
actually
have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research
at
the
time
that
we
built
the
fields
we
we
calculated
to
be
a
million
to
a
million
and
a
half
to
recarpet
the
fields.
What
you're
replacing
is
just
the
carpet
and
infill
there's
a
pretty
substantial
base
and
other
infrastructure
that
goes
into
it
and
that
you
do
not
need
to
replace
every
10
to
15
years.
Okay,.
G
And
I'll
just
use
one
more
and
as
a
anecdotal
example,
but
in
the
spring
we
had
rain
here
and
James
Park
was
unplayable,
but
we
went
to
Buffalo
Grove
and
their
field
was
playable.
Like
what
types
of
things
can
we
do
to
increase
the
likelihood
of
our
parks
and
our
fields
that
we
rent
being
playable
in
the
case
of
adverse
weather
conditions.
I
Drainage
system,
essentially
it's
like
a
glorified
French
drain
that
you
put
under
the
field
a
lot
of
little
pipes
that
allow
the
water
to
drain.
Then
it
has
to
be
directed
to
a
Rain
Garden
before
it
goes
into
any
kind
of
mwrd
sewer,
and
we
have
that
at
the
North,
the
northernmost
field
at
James,
Park
I,
believe
we
installed
it
one
other
location,
but
that's
a
relatively
new
thing.
We
haven't
been
doing
a
lot
of
it
because
it
is
pretty
expensive
to
put
it
in.
It
is
less
than
artificial,
turf.
Okay,.
G
So
how
do
we
do
the
calculation
in
terms
of
upfront,
investment
versus
lower
utility
over
the
lifetime
of
a
field
or
a
diamond
I
mean?
What's?
Is
there
like
an
industry
standard
where
we
would
figure
out
like
yes,
this
is
more
expensive
on
the
front
end,
but
in
exchange
we'll
get
more
days
of
playability,
and
even
though
we're
not
in
this
for
profit,
we'll
also
get
more
rental
Revenue.
I
That
is
not
a
calculation
that
happens
because
we
invest
relatively
little
into
making
Fields
like
that.
So
by
the
time
we
built
Robert
Crown,
it
was
get
artificial,
turf
fields.
We
have
to
have
some
do
it.
There
wasn't
really
a
big
thing
like
well.
If
we
we
invest
this
kind
of
money,
then
it
will
will
have
this
many
more
days.
Playable
was
basically
just
meeting
a
minimum
standard
of
what
we
could
Supply
as
a
city
and
I.
I
Think
when
we
talk
about
these
under
drained
systems,
knowing
that
it's
a
third
of
the
cost
of
an
artificial
turf
field,
it
doesn't
work
as
well,
but
it
works
better
than
having
no
under
drain
system.
That
was
similar
it's
like
well.
Can
we
try
something
other
than
an
artificial
turf
field
that
works
better,
because
what
we're
doing
now
does
not
meet
the
needs.
G
Okay,
and
so,
if
we
emphasize
the
lower
cost
option
rather
than
artificial
turf,
if
we
go
with
fields
that
drain
better,
does
that
require
increased
Staffing,
because
if
you
get
a
rainstorm
at
four
o'clock,
is
there
someone
from
Public
Works
that
can
do
work
on
the
fields
I
mean?
Is
that
I
I?
What
I
want
is
for
scheduled
activities
to
go
forward
on
schedule
as
much
as
possible,
acknowledging
that
we
don't
control
the
weather.
G
A
Council
member
news,
thank
you.
Councilmember.
K
Thank
you.
Madam
mayor
Pro,
tem
council
members
Suffern
suffered
and
asked
a
lot
of
the
questions.
I
was
going
to
ask
about
revenue,
streams,
the
parks
and
rec
fund
or
our
Parks
fund.
Is
it's
not
an
Enterprise
fund,
we're
not
intending
to
make
money,
nor
should
we
with
our
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
but
it
doesn't
escape
my
notice
that
five
out
of
your
top
ten
recommendations
have
some
potential
Revenue
attached
to
them.
F
K
F
L
J
K
I
would
encourage
us
to
look
at
that
place
here,
AI,
which
we've
begun
to
look
at
that's
kind
of
a
new
service.
We
have
right
so
that
might
be
informative
and
tell
us
something
that
we
answered
some
questions.
We
didn't
even
know
to
ask,
and
that
is
also
going
to
be
helpful
in
making
sure
we're
making
Equitable
Investments
and
not
over
investing
in
one
particular
type
of
park
or
in
one
particular
part
of
town
which
I
I
know
we're
all
cognizant
of
that.
But
we
want.
We
need
the
information
to
make
those
decisions.
M
First,
do
you
want
to
know
that
I
flipped
on
my
light
when
councilman
made
the
comment
about
Enterprise
funds?
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
think,
given
the
information
that's
been
put
in
front
of
us,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
a
better
accounting
of
the
operations
and
the
cost
for
maintenance
for
our
parks,
department
and
I.
Think,
while
Enterprise
funds
aren't
required
to
turn
it
profit,
certainly
and
aren't
even
required
to
you
know,
meet
their
costs
and
often
sometimes
they're
subsidized
by
the
general
fund.
M
But
it
would
give
us
a
better
way
to
truly
understand
what
we
are
spending,
what
we're
not
spending,
what
our
profits
are
for
the
park
system
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
continue
to
look
into
that
to
have
that
clear
accounting
for
both
us
and
the
public.
As
far
as
some
of
the
recommendations
for
I.
M
F
F
F
And
the
interesting
thing
to
note
in
terms
of
cost
is
that
the
Park
and
Recreation
Department
we
we
have
no
maintenance
budget.
We
don't
spend
anything
to
maintain
the
parks,
that's
all
done
by
Public
Works
we're
not
a
park
district,
and
so
much
of
the
the
recommendations
are
going
to
be
for
funds
that
are
going
to
go
to
public
works.
That
will
maintain
the
the
parks
because
that's
their
job.
F
M
And
thank
you
and
I'll
close
out
here
again.
I
think
another
reason
highlighting
why
our
Parks
should
be
separated
out.
The
difference
is
also
I,
don't
know
if
this
was
mentioned
earlier,
but
Skokie
has
a
Park
District.
A
lot
of
these
other
communities
that
were
named
have
their
own
park
districts.
We
don't
again
to
me
highlighting
the
need
for
an
Enterprise
fund,
so
we
have
at
that
that
accounting
of
what
we're
spending
in
public
works
in
other
departments
to
truly
understand
the
full
cost
of
the
the
system.
Thank
you.
O
So
you've
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
that
Evanston
is
lagging
in
terms
of
cost
the
amount
we
spend
per
acre
of
Park.
Yes,
so
was
that
done
with
a
comparison
of
how
many
acres
of
Parkland
these
various
communities
have?
Because
Evanston
has
just
a
really
big
amount.
O
F
Have
a
lower
budget,
in
fact
I
know
the
Skokie
Park
District
has
a
lesser
budget:
The
Village,
the
Oak
Park
Park
District
has
a
lower
budget
and
certainly
lower
populations
than
does
the
City
of
Evanston
and
so
for
the
City
of
Evanston
to
only
be
paying
31.
000
per
acre
certainly
puts
us
well
behind
the
eight
ball
in
comparison.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Ravel.
Would
anybody
like
to
speak
for
a
first
time,
if
not
we'll
move
to
a
second
time,
councilmember
suffering,
yeah.
G
Picking
up
on
what
Eleanor
said,
I
mean
the
spend
per
acre.
That's
like
a
consultant,
metric
or
yeah.
Okay
is
spend
per
resident,
maybe
a
more
relevant
because
a
cynical
person
was
and
I'm
not
advocating
this
a
simple
person
can
say:
well,
we
have
too
many
acres
then,
and
that
doesn't
serve
the
residents.
Well
is
cost
per
resident.
Is
there
a
reason
why
that-
and
this
may
not
be
a
question
that
you're
in
a
position
to
answer
but
is
cost
per
resident,
a
more
relevant
measure.
F
I
think
the
the
greater
the
denominator,
the
the
Less
Direct
it
is
to
the
issue
so
I
think
if
you're,
if
you're,
comparing
per
acre,
that's
probably
a
better
comparison.
One
Community
to
the
next
I
know
once
you
get
lost
in
the
comparisons
necessarily
what's
important
is
to
understand
that
the
parks
in
this
community
have
not
been
invested
in
appropriately
over
the
course
of
the
last
26
years.
We're.
G
In
agreement
on
that,
you
don't
have
to
convince
me
of
that
and.
F
And
so
the
rest
of
it
is
just
a
way
of
of
providing
additional
support
for
why
it's
time
to
start
making
those
investments
before
the
parks.
You
know,
I
started
this
with
for
the
pillars
for
a
great
place
to
live
and
a
great
place
to
stay
good
schools,
good
parks,
Good,
retail
and
commerce
and
good
government.
F
F
As
I
said
at
the
beginning,
I've
lived
here
for
40
plus
years
and
and
for
there
to
be
26
years
of
uninvestment
I
would
say
disinvestment,
uninvestment
in
a
number
of
parks,
and
almost
as
long
in,
in
probably
as
many
after
that,
as
I
said
to
call
them.
Legacy
Parks
is
a
misnomer,
they're
disappointed
Parks.
They
are
under
invested
parks.
F
The
time
is
the
time
to
do
something
was
a
decade
ago.
The
time
to
do
something
is
now
because
we
can't
go
back
and
change
change.
History.
Thank.
G
You
and
I
guess
my
my
other
question
is
Edgar
I
know
you
kind
of
just
came
in
the
room
and
I'm
not
trying
to
put
you
on
a
spot,
but
since
we
are
having
a
discussion
and
we're
talking
about
how
the
parks
and
recreation
department
handles
one
piece
of
this
and
your
department
handles
the
other,
what
do
you
need?
Do
you
need
more
people?
Do
you
need
more
equipment?
I
assume
you
need
more
money,
but
like
where
would
you
allocate
that
is?
It?
G
P
Evening,
council,
members,
quick
Mendoza
city
manager
stole
educational,
Public,
Works
agency,
director
to
your
point
council
member
suffered
and
yes,
I
mean
we
could
definitely
use
a
bigger
budget.
That
budget
would
go
to
additional
staff
right
now.
There
are
two
vacancies
within
the
Greenways
Department.
P
However,
even
if
we
were
fully
staffed,
we
can
barely
get
through
the
amount
of
acreage
that
we
have
now
amount
of
sports
associations
that
we're
supporting
so
addition
hiring
additional
staff
making
sure
that
they
have
the
right
equipment
and
making
sure
they're
provided
the
the
right
training
would
definitely
go
a
long
way.
We
would
have
to
sit
down
work
with
Parks
and
Rec
to
see
exactly
where
those
priorities
would
be
as
far
as
maintenance
goes,
but
additional
funding
would
definitely
help.
Okay,.
G
And
I
think
and
again
like
if
acreage
is
the
appropriate
metric
for
measuring
against
other
areas,
and
that
is,
but
you
know
if
you
look
at
our
larger
Parks,
like
Lovelace
or
James,
like
the
there's
a
lot
of
acreage,
but
the
programming
happens
in
a
smaller
part
of
the
park
than
the
total
acreage,
so
like
every
acre
of
Park
doesn't
require
the
same
level
of
Maintenance.
You
know
like
using
Robert
Crown
as
an
example
like
an
ice.
Rink
is
a
much
more
specialized
thing
or
a
differently
specializing
than
a
turf
field
than
a
basketball
court.
G
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
different
aspects
to
our
Parks.
Is
there
a
way
to
figure
out
I
mean,
and
you
know
you,
your
department
handles
things
like
emptying
garbage,
and
you
know
no
matter
how
empty
garbage
cans
are
on
Friday
by
Monday
on
a
long
weekend,
they're
going
to
be
full.
That's
just
like
a
fact
like.
Are
there
efficiencies
that
can
be
gained
through
doing
things
differently
that
you
foresee,
or
do
you
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
more
bodies.
P
I
think
we
can
work
on
efficiencies
as
well,
but
in
order
to
to
fully
tackle
the
problem,
we
are
going
to
need
more
bodies,
I
think
we
can
priori
once
we
have
those
bodies.
We
can
prioritize
better,
knowing
that
we
do
have
associations
that
count
on
us
and
rely
on
us
to
have
Fields
open
at
certain
times.
So
we
can
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
and
making
sure
that
those
assets
and
the
equipment
and
the
staff
are
going
towards
those.
So
we
can
definitely
look
at
efficiency,
but
the.
G
P
We
are
coordinating
between
departments,
yes,
okay,
yeah.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
they
send
us
reports
of
everything
that's
going
on
in
the
park,
so
that
we
can
better
prepare,
not
only
our
Greenways
department
but
as
well
as
our
refuse
and
Forestry
to
make
sure
that
we're
accommodating
the
program
so.
G
P
And
we
also
communicate
so
not
we
don't
just
go
off
the
report,
we'll
definitely
communicate
with
each
other,
picking
up
the
phone
and
saying
what
do
we?
What
do
you
foresee?
What
are
we
expecting
for
this
weekend?
We
can
read
something
on
there,
but
it's
that
day-to-day
daily
communication
to
make
sure
that
we're
prepared
for
the
event
that
does
occur.
Thank.
Q
The
the
wait
times
for
and
this
this
is
a
question
for
director
Kano
the
wait
times
that
we
experience
to
replace
equipment
is
that
a
result
of
the
supply
chain,
issues
that
we
saw
during
the
pandemic
and
that
remain
an
issue
or
is.
Is
there
something
else
going
on.
P
Q
Yeah
because
I
think
every
example
I
can
think
of
of
play,
equipment
that
needed
to
be
replaced
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
There
seems
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
lag
or
wait
time
where
we're
just
waiting
for
the
the
components
to
be
delivered,
and
so
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
only
a
result
of
the
supply
chain,
issues
that
we
saw
during
during
the
pandemic
or
if
it's
something
else
going
on.
P
As
far
as
we
know,
it
is
supply
chain
issues
and
it's
not
just
happening
with
playgrounds.
I
mean
it's
happening
with
our
waste
receptacles,
it's
happening
with
our
equipment.
We've
been
waiting
years,
so
it
definitely
plays
a
big
part.
I
can
talk
with
staff,
see
if
they
have
any
other
reason
to
believe
it's
anything
else.
H
I
For
playground,
equipment
parts,
especially
most
of
our
playground
equipment,
is
so
old
that
those
models
are
manufactured
are
no
longer
manufactured,
and
so
then
it's
a
custom
order.
It's
a
research
to
see
if
there's
anything
else
that
will
work
before
we
can.
So
if
it's
a
slide
that
breaks,
it
often
takes
a
really
long
time
to
get
it
back
in
stock
or
to
get
that
order
here.
Q
And
I
was
also
told
that
we
don't
have
that
many
tot
Lots
in
the
community
and
I
didn't
that
hasn't
been
my
experience
so
I,
just
as
just
quickly
I
have
some
other
questions,
but
just
wanted
to
double
check
that
I
see
them
all
over
the
place.
But
is
that
an
issue
that
we
don't
have
enough
top
lots
that
are.
M
D
Michael
Callahan
assistant,
director
of
parks
and
rec.
Yes,
so
what
we're
dealing
with
in
some
of
these
tot
lots-
and
some
of
these
Parks-
is
that
the
the
equipment
is
so
Antiquated,
and
so
it's
just
not
age-appropriate
anymore.
They
kind
of
dated
themselves,
and
we
just
had
a
meeting
the
other
day
where,
where
a
Community
member
told
us
that
the
neighborhood
doesn't
go
to
the
Tot
Lot
because
it
doesn't
meet
their
needs,
they'd
rather
go
to
the
different
park
to
a
different
park
with
newer,
more
updated
equipment.
That's
a
little
bit
more
satisfactory.
D
Our
playgrounds
are
specifically
aged
from
two
years
to
five
years
of
age.
For
for
children
or
five
years
to
12
years.
We
do
not
have
any
playground
equipment
in
any
of
our
parks
for
six
months
to
24
months
or
for
13
years
and
older,
so
we
have
been
replacing
like
with
like,
and
we
have
not
been
necessarily
looking
to
see
if.
H
D
Assets
are
put
in
the
appropriate
locations,
even
so,
if,
if
your
part
currently
has
a
playground,
it
gets
replaced
with
another
playground
where
we
have
not
been
necessarily
looking
at.
If
that's
the
most
appropriate
place.
We
also
have
certain
places
in
town
where
we
may
have
three
playgrounds
within
a
five
minute:
walk
of
each
other,
whereas
in
other
parts
in
town
they
may
be
spread
out
far
more
by
distance.
So
we
we
need
to
to
do
a
little
bit
better
job
in
looking
at
what
we
have
and
what
we're
providing.
Q
H
D
Have
52
playgrounds?
That's
both
two
to
five
and
five
to
twelve,
so
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
the
what
the
number
of
parks
are.
Okay,.
Q
And
in
I
recall
reading
somewhere
earlier
in
the
term
that
one
of
the
goals
was
to
have
parks
in
a
certain
proximity
from
where
people
live,
I
can't
remember
what
the
distance
was.
It
was
a
I
think
it
was
a
Parks
and
Rec
goal
am
I,
remembering
that
correctly
do
we
have
any
goal
goals
based
around
where
people
live
and
where
the
nearest
park
is
to
them.
10.
D
Minute,
walk
is
typically
an
industry
standard
that
we
want
to
park
within
a
10-minute
walk
and
most
of
Evanston
does
have
that.
But
what
needs
to
be
looked
at
is
not
just
the
walk.
Does
it
does
the
park?
Have
the
proper
amenities
for
for
the
neighborhood?
That
is
that's
just
as
important,
if
not
more
so,
because
you
may
have
a
park
in
your
neighborhood,
but
it
may
not
be
able
to
meet
your
needs.
Is.
D
Q
E
Q
You
know,
unless
we're
going
to
push
back
on
on
price,
on
the
pricing
that
that
the
cost
that
you're
giving
us
unless
we're
going
to
question
or
or
provide
any
additional
scrutiny
to
the
cost
that
you're
providing
us,
then
I
think
we
just
give
you
what
you
need
unless
we're
going
to
scrutinize
how
many
acres,
how
many
play,
how
much
play
it
could
be
and
to
that
question
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
where
are
we
in
terms
of
meeting
our
goals
and
again?
Q
Are
there
any
parks
in
in
clusters
in
certain
areas,
and
is
there
an
opportunity
maybe
to
reduce
how
many
play
sets
we
have
in
the
community
and
invest
more
in
the
ones
that
remain
to
provide
even
better
experience
for
the
people
living
in
that
area?
So
I'd
be
really
interested
to
get
some
of
that
data
once
it's
provided
and.
E
M
Yes,
first
question
for
director
Kano
and
then
Mr
Caroline
hi
director.
Do
you
know
what
portion
of
your
budget
supports?
Parks
and
Rec
maintenance,
either
percentage-wise
or
dollar
amount.
M
P
M
Thank
you,
that's
it
that's
very
helpful
and
then
Mr
Callahan
I
guess
this
might
be
for
you.
So
do
we
Laura
a
chief
engineer,
Biggs
mentioned
that
some
of
our
models
are
of
equipment
are
so
old
that
you
can't
get
replacement
slides.
Do
we
buy?
M
D
We
we
do
not
have
standardized
amenities
across
the
park
system,
so
through
Community
engagement
we
really
asked
the
public
what
they
desire
and
they
have
a
huge
say
in
what
is
is
put
into
the
parks.
So
it's
it.
Each
Park
when
it
gets
redone
is,
is
kind
of
semi-customized
by
the
residents
and
the
community
members
for
that
area.
So
there
there
is
not
necessarily
standardization
of
Playground.
Now
there
are
similar
playground
sets
throughout
the
town
and-
and
those
are
you
know
that
that
is
you
know
the
mindset,
but
it
doesn't
always
always
weigh
out.
M
That
if
we
thought
about
and
I
don't
know,
if
there's
someone
else
but
have
we
thought
about
creating
you
know,
let's
say
two
or
three
options
that
folks
can
choose
from
to
standardize
across
the
the
city.
So
we
can
more
efficiently
replace
equipment.
D
That
has
been
a
discussion
that
we've
had
is,
is
coming
up
of
with
three
different
options
and
presenting
that
and
then
going
going
that
route
so
that,
for
the
reason
that
you
just
just
listed,
okay,
I.
M
Would
advise
us
to
really
move
forward
on
that,
so
we
can,
you
know,
get
things
back
in
order
quickly
and
save
some
money.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
really
appreciate
that
that
was
a
helpful
discussion.
I
think
one
of
the
items
that
we're
ultimately
looking
for
is
that
regular
line
item
that
budget
line
item
to
maintain
our
parks
every
year,
so
that
they're
beautiful
all
the
parks.
So
people
don't
so
our
baseball
diamonds
every
year,
they're
beautiful.
So
we
don't.
As
chair
Bush,
pointed
out,
we
don't
wait
10
years,
then
we
consider
you
know
leveraging
potentially
a
bond
in
order
to
keep
our
get
our
Parks
up
to
speed.
B
N
Oh
Canad
risky
haven't
been
here
in
a
while,
but
I've
been
I'm
a
40-year
resident
here.
N
My
children
went
to
the
public
schools
actually
with
Alderman
Burns
at
Orrington
all
right
a
long
time
ago
anyway,
tonight
I
was
asked
to
sort
of
come
here
by
someone
on
the
council
and
I
want
to
I'm
going
to
just
recast
something
I
talked
about
quite
a
few
years
ago,
and
that
was
the
water
department
how
the
Water
Systems
run
here
every
you
know,
I'm
sorry
I
killed
us
what
we
have
this-
the
largest
second
largest
water
department
in
the
state
of
Illinois,
basically
they're
more
customers
served
by
the
water
department
than
are
non-residents
in
other
cities
than
Evanston,
so
the
water
department
really
is
run
really
for
the
benefit
of
a
lot
of
other
people.
N
Several
hundred
thousand
people
I
believe
are
users
they're
multiple
contracts
here
with
these
users,
and
basically
these
contracts
are
for
Capital
and
operating
expenses.
N
Some
years
ago,
I
sat
in
a
room
with
Mr
stoneback,
Mr
bobkowitz
and
several
activists
from
The
Fifth
Ward
and
we've
discussed
how
the
water
department
was
run
and
run
as
a
business
and
what
I
even
mean
business
I'm
not
talking
about
I,
want
to
sell
the
water
department
like
we
want
to
sell
heart.
You
know
the
the
place
on
the
lake
or
anything
like
that.
I
want
to
run
in
a
way
that
we
know
what's
going
on,
and
that
means
that
we
know
what
it
really
costs
to
run
this
with
each
customer.
N
N
You
don't
really
know
you're
worried
about
a
kitchen
at
the
Levy
Center.
Well,
that's
that's
peanuts
compared
to
what's
going
on
there
and
you
know
they.
You
ask
for
increases
in
the
in
the
water
rate,
but
you
don't
know
really
what's
going
on,
I
guarantee
you
if
you
ask
him
how
the
Evanston
customer
pays
in
relation
to
the
Skokie
customer
or
the
customer
from
the
Northwest
Water
Commission
they're,
not
the
same
because
they're
under
different
contracts.
N
But
the
real
question
is:
when
we
pay
for
a
capital,
expense
how's,
it
how's
it
being
paid
and
same
with
the
operating.
Are
we
getting
a
fair
Shake
as
Evanston
residents?
Maybe
we
should
be
paying
nothing
for
our
water
as
Evanston
residents
or
we
might.
We
have
to
pay
more
because
of
mistakes
and
the
bad
contracts
we
don't
know
and
then
the
other
thing
that's
going
on
here.
The
city
takes
money
out
of
the
water
department,
and
it's
been
doing
this
for
years.
I
I
heard
four
million
now
is
what
they
take.
N
It
used
to
be
two
I
think
when
I
was
around
so
so
that's
a
problem
really
what's
going
on.
Nobody
really
has
a
handle
on
this,
and
what
I
would
recommend
is.
Is
you
get
I
doubt
you
have
the
the
ability
internally
to
get
this
organized
financially.
What
you
have
in
your
documents,
your
accounting
documents
doesn't
show
you
anything.
You
need
to
bring
in
someone
to
organize
it,
a
consultant
or
somebody
to
look
at
this,
and
so
you
can
make
good
decisions
with
our
money.
N
That's
the
whole
issue
here
you
know
and
what
will
you'll
be
told
is:
oh,
we
pay
lower
rates
than
most
of
the
other
communities.
Well,
it's
the
same
thing.
You
talk
about
the
acreage
of
the
parks.
Well,
it's
meaningless.
It
doesn't
really
matter.
It's
really.
What
you
know
we
like
I
say
we
are
selling
so
much
water.
We
had
it.
We
could
be
should
be
paying
zero.
N
Possibly
I
could
say
that,
but
I
can't
say
that
for
a
fact,
and
nobody
really
can't
until
it's
looked
at
and
understood-
and
you
know
and
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
blame
the
people
that
run
it
because
the
council
has
to
force
the
change
the
council
has
to
say
we
want
change
to
make
this.
We
need
this
done
differently,
so
I
mean
and
you'll.
What
happens
you
come
when
you
ask
vertex
I'm
going
to
increase
the
rates?
A
Much
next
Jack
Martell.
C
C
My
name
is
Jack
Martell
office
resident
closing
on
70
years,
homeowner
closing
on
45
years
retired
captain
from
the
fire
department.
First
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
passing
100
yearly,
funding
of
Public
Safety
pensions,
leading
to
the
public
safety
pensions
being
fully
funded
by
2040.
and
I.
Came
the
head
of
this
you'll
see
I,
say
it
is
good
news
I'm,
bringing
good
news
tonight.
C
I
sent
four
attachments.
The
first
attachment
is
a
three-year
City
of
Evanston
budget
surplus,
which
outlines
the
surprising
city
of
Edison
budget
surplus
for
the
last
three
years:
totaling
128.9
million
in
a
gap
basis
or
123.6
million
on
a
cash
basis.
These
figures
come
straight
out
of
the
ordinance
memorandums
found
in
the
city
of
Edison
website.
These
aren't
my
numbers.
These
are
hitesh's,
but
he's
sent
out
to
everyone,
so
we
we
know
how
to
do
things
efficiently
and
save
money.
H
C
And
this
is,
you
can
find
us
on
the
budget
page.
You
got
to
search
a
little
bit.
It's
also.
It
looks
like
this
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
flash
us
up
on
the
board.
So
you
guys
can
see
to
send
emails
is
back
in
early
in
2021,
our
total
cash
and
Investments
were
79.4
million.
Currently
we're
at
a
high
water
mark,
149.2
million
we've
never
had
that.
Much
and
the
only
comment
I'll
see
is
when
you
look
at
the
cash
you
see
where
cash
is.
You
see
where
our
investments
are.
C
C
C
Once
we
started
the
100
funding
that
dropped
off
we're
not
losing
anything
anymore,
but
in
this
one
year
the
balance
of
the
both
funds
of
what
is
owed
went
down
by
17.2
million.
That's
a
total,
a
full
funding,
the
full
first
year,
26.6
million
that
our
Actuarial
has
dropped
off.
This
is
26.6
million.
City
taxpayers
are
not
going
to
have
to
come
up
with,
and
they
have
a
I
also
include.
This
is
all
on
your
emails.
This
is
on
your
you'll,
see
how
it
runs
down
right
here.
I
know,
I've
been
called.
C
I,
just
have
a
really
counselor,
a
very
quick
thing:
I
did
take
a
good
look
at
the
audit
and
I
see
it
file
some
I,
don't
ever
see
in
the
budget.
You
know
we
have
a
imrf
pension
fund
and
I've
I've
misled
you
I've
said
often
boy,
that's
funded
100
percent.
It's
funded
119
percent.
C
This
fund.
It's
got
53.7
million
dollars
more.
That
is
needed
to
be
funded
at
100
percent
remarkable,
but
that
I'm
not
saying
that,
because
because
it's
wrong
that
shows
the
power
of
100
funded
pension
when
times
are
good
this
that
thing
Roars
fifth
I'm,
not
these.
This
is
right
off
of
the
straight
out
of
the
budget.
Excuse
me
the
audit,
that's
that's
incredibly
good
news,
that's
for
our
taxpayers
and
and
that
and
that
the
other
budgets
are.
The
excuse
me
that
the
public
safety
pensions
are
headed
toward
100
percent.
A
Next
Mary
rosinski.
R
Good
evening,
hi
everybody
I'm
actually
here
to
discourage
you
guys
from
passing
bonds.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
budgets
and
our
surpluses
and
really
get
our
finances
in
order
I'm,
so
glad
to
hear
what
Mr
Mortel
said.
R
So
maybe
we'll
have
some
extra
money
to
take
care
of
our
Parks
and
Rec
in
21
and
22,
we
had
a
lot
of
surplus
budgets
and
the
budget
and
finance
committee
is
doing
a
fabulous
fabulous
job
of
highlighting
where
we
need
to
spend
money
and
where
we
don't,
they
were
talked
last
August
or
the
last
November
October.
Rather
that
please
don't
be
issuing
bonds
for
20
23,
because
we
don't
need
to.
R
We
had
a
30
million
dollar
budget
surplus
in
22
and
then
in
23
we
had
a
50
million
dollar
Surplus
and
the
mop
projects
that
we
had
coming
out
of
22
could
be
funded
with
cash
and
I
believe
it
was
Mr
Livingston
who
was
saying
use
our
cash
don't
go
into
more
debt.
We
need
to
reduce
our
cash
that
we
above
our
Circle
above
our
reserves,
and
we
need
to
reduce
our
debt,
so
I
mean
I'm.
R
Looking
at
the
August
11
2022
Roundtable,
which
says
12.5
million
money
is
covered
from
our
surpluses
back
then
so
on.
Then,
I
look
at
the
memo
today
asking
to
pass
12.5
million
for
projects
that
were
done
in
22
and
23,
but
if
you
didn't
need
to
borrow
it,
don't
borrow
it
and
let's
get
our
budget
and
our
economy
in
Evanston
level,
so
that
we
can
spend
the
money
and
prioritize
our
needs.
Thank
you.
S
Good
evening,
everyone
I
hope
you
all
had
a
great
summer
so
far
end
of
summer,
I
want
to
First,
say
thanks
to
janardsky
and
Mary
rosinski
and
Jack
Martell
I
agree
with
everything
they
said,
I'm
very
concerned
and
surprised
to
be
I'm
talking
for
seven
eight
years
about
the
budget
and
about
General
obligation
bonds,
which
seem
to
be
out
of
hand,
and
they
seem
to
be
used
every
single
council
meeting.
We
are
using
general
obligation
bonds.
S
Don't
know
why
we
have
a
finance
and
budget
committee,
which
is
great
A
new
committee,
wondering
what
the
analysis
is
from
the
budget
and
finance
committee.
I.
Don't
understand
why
we
keep
on
talking
about
spending
money
that
we
don't
have
General
Obligations,
now
General
obligation,
bonds
right
now
about
200
million
Debt
Service
on
those
bonds
about
15
million
per
year
or
about
1.2
million
per
month,
just
in
debt
service
payment
for
those
General
obligation,
bonds
and
you're.
Talking
about
taking
out
more
in
our
budget
for
21
was
296
million
for
2022.
S
Our
budget
was
360
million
this
year
it's
402
million.
Okay,
we
have
increased
in
three
years:
25
or
we've
increased
our
budget
by
a
hundred
million
dollars,
but
we
need
more
money.
Well,
I
I,
don't
get
it
I.
You
know,
as
Jack
Martell
said,
as
he
digs
into
the
budget
he's
finding
money.
A
few
months
ago
we
found
15
million
dollars
excess
laying
around,
and
then
it
was
30
million
and
then
I
think
it
was
54
million.
S
But
I
read
in
Evanston
now
that
well,
if
we
did
all
the
projects
that
you
know
that
you
all
want
to
do
we're
still
short
money.
So
why
can't
we
get
our
ducks
in
a
row
to
spend
the
money
that
we
actually
have
without
consistently
going
into
debt
constantly?
We
need
transparency
and
accountability.
As
the
mayor
said
when
he
took
office
and
it
it's
it
just.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
to
keep
on
spending
and
spending
and
spending
how
many
employees
do.
We
need
850
900
employees,
how
many
studies
and.
S
Sorry
lost
my
place:
how
much
money
do
we
need
to
spend?
How
much
money
do
we
need
to
you
know
to
to
bring
in
it
just
we
need
to
get
our
ducks
in
a
row.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
T
Thank
you
so
I
have
to
backtrack
to
what
I
believe
it
was
Mr
Bush
made.
We
start
off
his
remarks
with
you
know.
It's
summer
the
parks
are
an
emergency.
T
You
know,
there's
there's
children
being
carried
out
of
the
parks
on
stretchers
going
to
ambulances,
because
there's
so
many
injuries
I'd
like
to
see
the
record
of
injuries
that
he's
claiming,
because
what
a
real
emergency
is
what's
happening
with
the
forest
fires
on
the
west
coast
and
Canada
and
Maui
and
flooding
on
all
coasts,
melting
ice
caps,
children
being
shot
in
schools,
those
are
emergencies,
Parks
did
the
work,
I
understand,
Park
State
worked,
but
let's
not
be
stupid
about
it
and
use
exaggerated
rhetoric
to
inflame
the
issue.
T
T
And
not
the
reserves,
but
the
Surplus
is
it
seems
to
be.
You
need
that
document,
because
there
are,
as
others
have
said,
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
surplus
money
that
can
go
towards
some
of
these
things
without
having
to
to
open
new
Geo
bonds.
T
It
doesn't
appear
to
me
that
the
Geo
bonds
for
2024
that
are
being
requested
for
the
water
projects
are
needed
will
net.
They
have
a
10-year
plan.
They
actually
plan
ahead
for
how
they
spend
money.
T
But
there's
funding
sources
include
the
ieta
arpa
funds.
I,
don't
think
we
used
any
of
our
upper
funds
for
anything
but
special
political
projects
and
they
used
Waterfront
operations.
T
You
know
gained
from
water
rates
and
wholesale
water
Revenue.
We
should
be
charging
more
to
pay
for
these
projects
through
our
wholesale
water
Revenue
and
at
the
end
of
the
recent
finance
and
budget
committee.
You
know
neither
Laura
Biggs
nor
hitesh
could
adequately
explain.
Evanston's
spiraling
spiraling
that
that's
been
occurring
over
the
last
10
years.
I
just
found
it
surprising
that
they
kind
of
passed
it
back
and
forth
between
them
and
it
didn't
make
sense
what
they
were
saying,
which
is.
T
Sure,
as
far
as
the
parts
presentation
goes,
you
know
again,
there
are
other
real
emergencies
in
life.
We
should
probably
take
care
of
our
Parks
over
a
period
of
time
not
and
we
should
plan
for
it
not
not
just
come
to
the
council
and
say
you
want
20
million
dollars
in
one
Fell
Swoop.
U
Hello,
council,
members,
I'm
a
fourth
board
homeowner
and
there's
been
some
interesting
framing
of
financial
issues
facing
the
city
and
budget
items.
That's
piqued,
my
curiosity
and
I
hope,
council
members.
They
pick
your
curiosity
too,
regarding
sp1
the
capital
Improvement
program
funding.
Why
is
Bond
issuance
our
first
go-to
for
Revenue?
This
is
a
repeated
phenomena
in
the
in
the
city.
U
U
It
could
even
make
one
wonder
if
the
public
is
being
softened
up
to
accept
certain
votes
by
the
council,
because
it
is
so
unusual
to
hear
alarm
Bells
coming
from
molected,
an
elected
official
about
our
future
financial
obligations
bonds,
our
future
Financial
Obligations.
So
please
consider
getting
a
full
accounting
of
surpluses
and
reserves
and
belt
tightening
before
issuing
bonds.
We
do
appreciate,
when
you
take
a
deep
dive
into
the
issues
just
like
you
just
did
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
councilman
suffered
and
others
unpacking
getting
down
to
the
nitty-gritty.
U
We
really
need
you
to
do
this
before
you
approve
issuing
bonds.
What
is
the
concern
about
the
appropriate
balance
of
the
water
fund?
Again?
Why
is
this
a
problem?
There
are
federal
funds
coming
for
the
removal
of
the
lead
pipes
and
again,
as
other
people
have
said,
what
is
the
revenue
from
our
supplying
water
to
the
other
suburbs?
So
thank
you
when
you
take
a
deep
dive
into
these
kinds
of
issues
before
incurring
more
debt
or
raising
water
rates.
A
Okay,
so
let's
see
do
we
have
a.
A
Okay,
I
think
spiggs
will
is
going
to
give
us
a
presentation
on
sp1
or
no.
A
Okay,
our
CFO
Mr
Desai
good
evening.
V
V
Q
H
Q
Mayor
Pro
Tim
is
just
a
primer
question.
How
different
is
the
information
will
be
provided
tonight?
Then?
What
we
received
at
finance
and
budget
and
I
know
everybody
doesn't
sit
on
the
financial
budget
committee,
but
I
just
want
to
focus
my
I.
V
Mean
the
in
terms
of
the
bond
environment,
it's
the
same.
Okay,
the
line
of
credit
environment.
It
is
the
same.
The
amount
is
pretty
much
the
same,
that
what
is
the
requirement
for
the
past
two
years
where
we
haven't
issued
the
bonds
for
22
and
23.?
So
yes,
pretty
much
the
same:
nothing,
major
change
in
any
interest
rate
environment
and
in
bond
market
and
again,
yes,
the
rate
is
hovering
right:
around
410
420
4.2
for
the
Geo
bonds.
V
If
we
decide,
if
you
look
at
the
memo,
we
have
explained
what
are
the
projects
and
reimbursement
resolutions
approved
by
the
city
council
for
the
two
years
of
21,
22
and
23,
and
based
on
the
kind
of
a
conversation
with
the
engineering
team
and
others,
it
looks
like
for
the
22
and
23.
If
we
continue
to
spend
the
money,
you
know,
they've
already
started
few
projects
and
then
several
different
phases.
You
know
all
those
projects
we
may
need
around
25
million
dollars
for
the
funding.
V
Now
at
the
finance
and
budget
committee,
those
who
are
not
there.
There
was
an
option
discussed
that
okay,
we
can
tap
into
the
line
of
credit
for
a
temporary
until
the
bond
market
gets
better
and
the
general
consensus
at
the
finance
budget
committee
was
that
okay,
can
we
wait
maybe
a
six
month
until
the
spring
next
year
and
see
whether
the
rates
go
down
in
the
bond
market
and
I
said?
Yes,
we
surely
could
do
that.
That
is
one
of
the
options.
V
Hopefully
it
goes
in
the
right
direction
that,
after
six
months,
the
rates
have
gone
down,
at
least
by
50
75.
Is
this
one
which
kind
of
generates
a
substantial
thing?
We
have
a
line
of
credit
with
the
byline
Bank
in
the
amount
of
15
million
dollar.
They
are
charging
120
basis
points,
plus
the
30-day
sofa
rate
as
of
today
it
is
6.52.
So
the
other
thing
just
to
kind
of
bring
you
the
perspective
is
the
cash
flow
situation,
the
property
tax.
Second,
installment
has
been
delayed
so
obviously
again
right
now.
V
We
expect
that
they
will
Bill
around
November
1st
the
Cook
County
and
we
would
start
getting
the
money
sometime
in
November
end,
and
so
that's
the
cash
flow
thing.
But
yes,
I
am
at
least
right
now
comfortable.
Unless
something
emergency
comes
up
in
this
other
area
and
I
get
the
kind
of
notification
from
Lara
about
the
payment.
We
can
yeah
tap
into
the
line
of
credit.
For
now
and
hoping
that
yeah
come
the
March
April
of
the
next
year.
We
can
go
and
issue
the
bonds.
M
Thank
you.
Just
a
few
clarifying
questions
based
on
stuff
we
received
in
public
comment.
One
we
haven't
issued
new
bonds
since
2021.
Is
that
correct,
yes
and
I
could
swear?
We've
had
Council
meetings.
Since
then,
I'd
heard
that
we
were
at
every
council
meeting
we're
passing
bombs.
We
haven't
in
fact
done
that
since
2021
and
as
a
result,
the
council
is
rolled
off
about
23
million
dollars
in
in.
V
M
More
yes,
okay
I
wanted
to
get
that
clear
for
myself
and
for
the
public,
and
then
it
was
mentioned
that
funds
are
taken
out
of
the
water
fund.
Have
we
declared
a
surplus
in
our
water
fund
and
transferred
water
fund
monies
over
to
our
general
fund
or
some
other
fund.
V
W
Good
evening
Dave
stormbeck
Deputy
city
manager,
we
actually
had
a
consultant
work
with
us
to
determine
what
would
be
an
appropriate
transfer
from
the
water
fund
to
the
general
fund
for
the
services
provided
by
the
general
fund,
such
as
hrit
police,
fire
and
all
that,
and
what
we
are
transferring
I
think
is
right.
Around
four
million
dollars,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
was
a
number
that
was
identified
by
that
consultant
as
a
rightful
transfer
from
the
Waterfront
to
the
general
fund
for
the
services
provided
by
the.
M
M
M
Yes,
that's
what
I
meant
by
2021?
Maybe
it
was
the
20,
whatever
20,
when
it
actually
has
passed,
but
so
that
was
the
last
time
it
was
about
for
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
roughly.
M
Know
and
my
point
being,
is
you
know
transferring
four
million
dollars
a
year?
We
we've
increased
property
taxes
for
less
than
that,
so
this
is
a
a
thing
that
means
that
there
are
Enterprise
fund.
Our
water
Enterprise
fund
is
actually
paying
dividends
back
to
the
taxpayers
of
Evanston,
allowing
us
to
recuperate
some
some
funds.
So
I
think
that
is
a
positive
thing
and
then
this
is
a
question
for
you.
V
It
would
be
as
of
now
6.52.
Obviously
it's
a
variable
rate.
If
the
sofa
rate
changes,
it
would
change
so.
V
I
mean
there
are
two
schools
of
thought.
One
is
that,
okay,
if
you
continue
and
issue
the
bonds
right
now,
you
are
kind
of
locked
in
for
20
years.
Obviously
the
bonds
are
callable
after
10
years,
so
I
can
refinance
sure
hoping
that
okay
rates
would
come
back
to
normal
two
two
and
a
half
percent.
Why
would
you
lock
in
yourself
for
4.52
for
20
years
versus
line
of
credit?
Yes,
you
pay
the
interest
on
the
amount
you
use
when
you
use
versus
jio
bond
I
issued
the
bond
tomorrow.
V
V
It's
not
a
long-term
solution.
Lineup
correct!
It's
a
temporary
like
suppose,
property
tax
money
is
not
coming,
but
I
know
it
would
come
in
three
months
for
sure.
That's
the
best
use
of
it
for
a
temporary
credit
relief.
What,
if
the
credit
rates,
don't
improve
or
don't
go
in
the
right
direction?
After
even
six
months?
Eight
months
suppose
we
start
using
lineup
crate.
Now
we
pay
six
and
a
half
percent
come
March,
April
May
and
we
are
still
hovering
around
four
percent
and
that's
when
it's
a
big
concern.
M
And
okay,
that
that's
helpful
I
don't
have
we
done
modeling
to
determine
because
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
there
is
a
I
think
we've
done
a
this
Council
has
done
a
wonderful
job
at
holding
the
line
on
property
taxes
for
the
last
three
years
going
on
four
years.
We
have
not
issued
bonds
since
2021,
and
so
we've
held
the
line
for
quite
some
time
and
I.
M
Think
that
has
allowed
us
to
let
the
finance
and
budget
committee
really
start
to
dig
into
things,
but
at
some
point
we're
we're
getting
the
data
back
and
we're
seeing
all
right.
So
there
really
are
these
huge
liabilities
out
there
that
we
haven't
paid
for
so
at
some
point
you
got
to
start
actually
taking
care
of
the
problem
or
you're
being
just
as
you
know,
you're
you're,
you
know
being
just
as
irresponsible
as
you
know,
if
we,
if
we
work
weren't,
putting
up
the
funding
for
it.
M
So
now
we've
done
this
Council
has
done
that
hard
work
and,
and
so
I
I
do
think.
You
know
it's
worth
us
considering
issuing
new
bonds
for
this
year
to
cover
CIP.
Then
there
are
other
things
that
will
come
up
from
proposals
from
other
folks.
That
I
think
are
interesting
uses
of
bond
funds,
but
I
I
don't
think
we
can
permanently
push
off
issuing
new
bonds,
although
we've
I
think
done
a
good
job
for
the
last
three
years.
I'll
hold
there.
K
Thank
you
for
those
of
us
or
those
of
us
in
this
room
who
were
not
at
the
finance
and
budget
committee
meeting
last
week,
I'll
kind
of
summarize,
my
takeaways
and
I
confirmed
this
earlier
this
afternoon
into
discussion
with
David
Livingston
who
chairs
that
committee,
and
so
what
I'm
reporting
is.
K
You
know
my
understanding
of
the
general
consensus
of
the
finance
and
budget
committee
meeting
last
week
and
two
councilmember
Reed's
point
at
some
point:
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
for
stuff,
and
we
have
been
planning
all
along
to
utilize
bonds
to
pay
for
Capital
Improvement
projects,
for
which
bonds
have
not
yet
been
issued.
K
So
the
question
is
not
if
we
should
issue
bonds.
Yes,
we
do
need
to
issue
bonds.
The
question
is
when,
and
the
consensus
of
the
committee
last
week
was
not
quite
yet,
let's
wait
until
maybe
the
first
quarter
of
2024.
At
that
point,
we
will
know
how
we
ended
up.
The
2023
fiscal
year
will
have
an
actual
budget
for
2024..
We
might
at
that
point
have
at
least
some
idea
of
where
some
other
major
Financial
commitments
or
major
issues
that
have
financial
implications.
K
What
direction
those
might
be
heading
by
that
time,
so
you
know
long
story
short
Let's,
let's
hold
off
in
issuing
bonds,
but
when
we
do,
let's
try
and
stick
to
the
the
trend
that
we've
established
over
the
last
few
years
and
not
issue
more
debt
than
we
retire
and
so
I'll
push
back
on
the
perception
that
we
are
spiraling
into
more
debt.
It's
actually
the
opposite.
K
We
have
issued
no
more
new
debt
over
the
last
three
years:
we've
actually
retired
30
million
dollars
of
debt,
that's
heading
in
the
right
direction,
and
we
do
a
little
bit
of
that.
Every
year
you
go
into
less
debt,
then
we
pay
off.
You
know
eventually
we'll
end
up
where
we
need
to
be
another
point:
I
want
to
make
is
if
we
look
at
our
Capital
plan
and
we'll
get
into
this
on
a
little
bit
later
this
evening,
it's
only
a
portion
of
our
Capital
Improvement
plan
is
looking
to
bonds
to
fund
it.
K
A
Thank
you,
yeah
I
would
just
like
to
comment
unless
somebody
else
would
like
to
comment
I
think
it's
really
important
we're
not
just
going
to
issue
bonds
to
issue
bonds,
I
mean
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
subsidize,
and
you
know
a
larger
than
necessary
cash
position.
A
bloated
uploaded
balance
sheet.
So
I
think
this
is
very
important.
A
We
do
have
an
exceptionally
large
debt
outstanding
debt
in
Evanston,
so
this
is
wonderful
that
for
the
past
two
years
this
Council
has
brought
that
debt
down
so
I
think
we
really
do
need
to
analyze
it
carefully,
analyze
our
expenses.
You
know
in
a
comprehensive
context,
along
about
what's
needed
in
terms
of
Maintenance
I'd
like
to
see
us,
you
know
putting
those
important
issues,
whether
it's
20
million
or
whatever.
It
is
in
a
regular
line
item
so
that
we're
budgeting
for
that,
as
opposed
to
bonding
out
I.
A
Think
you
know
we're
already
hearing
from
our
finance
department
that
it
looks
like
the
general
fund
is
going
to
end
up
with
a
30
million
dollar
Surplus,
and
if
we're
talking
about
20
million
or
25
million
in
bonding,
let's,
let's
be
careful.
How
we
do
this
no
one's
saying
not
to
spend
where
we
need
to
spend,
but
we
certainly
shouldn't
just
add
to
unnecessarily
to
a
like
I,
say
to
a
larger
than
necessary
cash
position
that
I
think
Mr
Mortel
this
evening
pointed
out
where
we're
at
and
how
that's
grown.
A
So
we
don't
issue
bonds
just
to
issue
bonds
because
we
haven't
in
two
years.
This
is
the
good
news
that
we're
reducing
that
debt.
That's
less
money
that
that
we're
forcing
our
residents
to
pay
in
finance
I
mean
that
goes
nowhere
right.
A
We
don't
want
to
just
throw
money
at
Finance,
so
I
ask
that
we
so
I
think
that's
what's
really
important
that
we're
that
we
look
at
if
there
are
surplus
funds
available
and
that's
above
and
beyond
the
reserves,
then
we
consider
that,
first
and
foremost
before
we
leverage
20
years
of
debt
and
I,
think
councilmembered
your
question
about
the
short
term.
Again,
if
we're
waiting
for
property
taxes,
because
those
are
delayed,
then
of
course
making
up
that
amount
of
money.
A
If
we
have
to
borrow
it
should
be
a
short
term
as
opposed
to
20
years,
because
we're
behind
by
two
months
waiting
for
our
property
taxes.
Okay,.
Q
I
think
it's
important
as
we
continue
to
discuss
our
CIP
and
general
budget
to
weigh
that
against
weigh
that
against
our
city
council
goals
and
priorities,
and
to
that
end,
I
know
we
were
trying
to
schedule
another
session
manager.
Still
do
you
know
when
our
next
Gathering
will
be
the
do.
The
poll
okay
well
I,
use
this
opportunity,
then
to
say,
look
in
your
emails
and
fill
out
the
doodle
as
quickly
as
you
can
that's
to
my
colleagues,
because
I
would
like
to
I
think
that's
really
important.
Q
H
M
We
move
to
sorry
all
right:
oh
I'm,
sorry,
councilmember,
Reed
and
Mr
Desai.
Can
you.
M
M
Want
stated,
you
know
publicly
a
few
numbers.
So
what
is
the
total
CFE
ask
for
this
year?.
I
The
total
CIP
is
currently
proposed
at
111,
although
that
is
more
than
we
could
execute
with
current
staff
and
resources.
Okay,.
I
That
is
somewhat
complicated
to
answer,
because
it
depends
a
little
bit
on
where,
where
the
money
is,
what
type
of
CIP
we're
talking
about?
There's
different
types
of
infrastructure
in
our
capacity
to
execute
projects
on
streets
and
transportation
is
different
than
for
parks.
M
And
then
so
it's
111
million
as
they
ask
Maybe
70
80
million,
is
what's
possible,
let's
just
say,
and
what
are
there
any
new
streams
of
Revenue
that
we're
asking
for
to
help
cover
this
cost
other
than
you
know,
bonds.
I
M
Okay,
no
worries
new
revenue
is
scary
to
ask
for,
but
I
I
think
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
these
huge
liabilities
and,
let's
just
say
the
numbers,
you
know
75
80
million.
What
did
we
spend
on
CRP
in
2023.
I
We
budgeted
approximately
90
million
dollars.
We
have
not
spent
that
projects
get
delayed
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Often
it
has
to
do
with
some
of
our
outside
funding
sources
not
being
made
available
as
quickly
as
we
would
like.
Sometimes
it's
Staffing,
sometimes
it's
that
we're
waiting
for
an
mwrd
permit
or
something
miscellaneous
like
that.
But
I
would
guess
that
we
ended
up
spending
around
60
million.
Okay.
M
And
wrapping
up
here
with
a
few
questions,
but
what
is
our
CIP
completely
within
our
general
fund
or
is
it
or
I
mean
I
know
that
some
of
it
is
Tiff?
And
but
where
does
it
primarily
live.
I
The
largest
projects
come
out
of
the
water
plant,
which
are
funded
by
the
water
fund,
the
otherwise
quite
a
lot
of
it
is
within
the
general
fund.
So.
I
No,
it's
money
that
a
lot
of
that
money
did
not
come
in
a
lot
of.
We
get
a
lot
of
money
through
outside
grants,
honestly
and
so
I
would
say.
No,
it
is
not
accounted
for
in
our
Surplus.
In
some
cases
things
there
is
some
stuff
like
motor
fuel
tax
where
it
it
does
accumulate.
But
then
we
just
turn
around
and
make
a
higher
request
next
year
to
make
up
the
difference.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
X
H
X
And
so,
as
as
staff,
since
2009
staff
has
been
utilizing
a
cost
of
service
model
which
helps
us
manage
the
activities
within
the
water
fund,
revenues,
expenses
cips,
you
know
all
everything
that
we
do
in
the
water
fund
and
what
what
has
happened
is
because
of
and
current
our
current
goals.
Right
now
we
we
like
to
maintain
a
four
million
dollar
cash
Reserve
in
the
water
fund,
and
that
was
something
that
was
recommended
back
in
2009
from
a
Financial
Consultant
with
the
study
that
was
done.
X
There's
a
link
to
that
study
in
the
memo
and
actually
we're
gonna.
We
we're
going
to
recommend
that
we
revise
some
of
those
goals,
but
for
now
four
million
dollars
cash
ballot,
Reserve
in
the
water
fund,
one
and
a
half
miles
of
water
main
we
replace
each
year.
So
that's
another
one!
X
We
want
to
also
keep
the
the
percent
Debt
Service
to
revenue
around.
You
know
less
than
25
percent
and
feels
like
I'm
missing
one
I'll,
think
of
it,
but
I'll
continue,
and
so
there
are
several
factors
that
are
that's
causing
issues
with
the
water
fund.
That's
putting
the
water
Fund
in
financial
trouble
and
those
issues
are
the
cost
of
water
main
and
Lead
service
lines,
Replacements
that
must
be
borne
by
the
Evanston
retail
customers
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that.
X
The
need
to
replace
aging
water
mains,
the
need
to
replace
lead
service
lines
as
part
of
water
main
projects,
the
need
to
replace
all
11,
000
plus
lead
service
lines
between
2027
and
2047,
and
that's
as
a
result
of
the
lead
service
line,
replacement
and
notification
act
that
was
enacted,
January
1
of
2022
and
increase
construction
costs
for
for
water
main,
and
so
our
distribution
system
consists
of
156
miles
of
water
main
and
99
of
those
water
mains
are
18
inches
in
in
diameter
or
smaller,
and
serve
only
Evanston
retail
customers.
X
Life
expectancy
of
water
main
is
100
to
120
years,
and
the
cost
of
replacing
this
infrastructure
must
be
borne
by
the
Evanston
retail
customers
and
cannot
be
charged
to
our
wholesale
water
customers.
We
do
have
contracts
with
municipalities
outside
of
Evanston
and
they
do
share
in
costs
that
the
water
utility
projects
that
we
undertake,
but
not
for
water
mains
projects
that
happen
at.
X
X
And
so
what
staff
did
is
this
table
represents
the
miles
of
pipe
in
each
age
category.
So
we,
you
know
we
broke
the
columns
down
60
years
and
younger
all
the
way
out
to
121
years
and
older,
and
we
came
up
with
various
scenarios.
X
So
in
2022
we
had
1.1
miles
of
water
main
that's
121
years
and
and
older,
and
so
we
just
looked
at
the
different
scenarios
looking
out
to
2042
so
20
years
from
from
2022,
and
if,
if
the
city
council
said
hey
we're
not
doing
any
more
annual
replacements
for
20
years
in
2042,
there
would
be
50.7
miles
of
that
121
or
older
water
main.
Currently
we
do
one
and
a
half
miles
and
in
2042
there
would
be
26.7
miles.
X
X
And
so
this
table
represents
the
cost
of
of
per
lineal
foot.
The
cost
increases
that
we're
experiencing
with
water
main
replacement,
the
average
cost
per
linear
foot
prior
to
the
lead
service
line
replacement
program
29
to
2022
was
648
dollars
per
lineal
foot.
The
average
cost
since
the
lead
service
line
replacement
program.
X
2022,
that's
when
the
law
was
enacted
to
2023
is
912
dollars
per
lineal
foot,
so
we're
looking
at
you
know
a
41
increase
in
you
know
that
that
increases
you
know,
cost
of
materials
for
sure,
labor
and
but
but
also
the
scope
of
work
changed
this
this
count.
The
city
council
declared
led
a
public
health
issue,
a
public
health
hazard
and
so
and
and
decided
to
replace
the
lead
service
line
all
the
way
into
the
house.
X
Now
so,
whereas
before
we
were
replacing
the
services
up
to
the
the
parkway
where
the
shutoff
valve
is,
and
now
we
go
all
the
way
into
the
building,
and
so
that's
increasing
the
scope
which
increases
the
cost
as
well.
X
E
X
Water
main
each
year-
and
you
know
with
the
with
the
increased
costs
to
do
that,
work
in
in
2022
and
2023.
X
The
the
thought
was
to
sell
bonds
that
would
be
paid
by
the
water
fund
and
in
those
two
years
that
that
bonding
did
not
occur.
So
that
is
playing
a
role
in
in
this
as
well,
and
this
does
not
factor
in
the
lead.
The
total
lead
service
line
replacement
program
which
I'll
talk
more
about.
So
this
is
kind
of
current
status
quo.
X
H
X
X
It
just
starts
to
decrease
again
we
were
requesting
or
discussing
bonding
for
2024
in
the
amount
of
26.3
million,
which
would
be
13.3
million
for
what
what
we
didn't
do
in
22
and
23,
plus
another
13
for
24.,
and
that
was
a
concern
as
well,
and
so
we
we
went
back
to
the
we
went
back
re
recalculated,
some
things.
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that's
really
important
is
with
projects
that
we
do.
We
request
funding
from
iepa
and
one
of
the
requirements
is.
X
We
have
to
demonstrate
a
long-term,
healthy
water
fund
when
we
apply
for
loans,
for
instance,
and
typically
that's
a
five-year
long-term
picture
is
what
they
what
they
look
at
and
and
so
it's
it's
very
it's
imperative,
so
that
we
can
continue.
And
another
thing
is
that
grant
funding.
You
know
we
hear
about
grant
funding.
That
could
be
available
for
lead
service
line
Replacements
through
iepa.
You
have
to
qualify
for
the
loan
before
loan
forgiveness
can
be
considered
as
well.
X
X
So
we
we
increase
the
minimum
reserves
from
four
to
five
point.
Eight
and
I'll
talk
I'll,
go
more
into
that
here.
Shortly,
that's
more
of
a
budget
policy
increase
it's
like
16.6
percent
or
something
for
the
water
fund.
So
we
just
we
went
with
that
amount.
X
J
X
And
so
our
revised
goals,
I
just
mentioned
the
5.8
million,
keep
Debt
Service
expenses
associated
with
distribution
system
less
than
25
percent.
X
Maintain
the
water
treatment
plant
in
good
operating
condition,
replace
or
rehabilitate
the
3.2
miles
and
replace
approximately
500
lead
service
lines,
beginning
in
2027.
X
The
500
number
we
didn't
just
pull
that
out.
That
was
because
of
the
the
number
of
lead
service
lines
we
have
in
Evanston,
it's
like
11
000
Plus
by
2027,
when
when
utilities
will
officially
have
to
start
replacing
lead
services
in
their
communities
based
on
the
amounts
that
we're
currently
replacing
into
2027
will
be
at
that
500
replacements
over
a
20-year
period.
So
that's.
X
And
so
this
table
summarizes,
you
know
for
the
bond
and
water
rate
increases
that's
associated
there.
We
go
that's
associated
with
this
graph
and
those
revised
goals.
So
for
2024
I
mentioned
the
18.1.
X
The
the
last
service
line
proposed
water
rate
increases
13
and
a
half
percent
previously
scheduled
rate
increases
four
percent
for
24.,
so
that
four
percent
is
part
of
the
lead
service
line,
replacement,
Workforce
Development
program,
we're
hiring
seven
full-time
employees
to
help
replace
the
lead
service
lines.
So
this
year
we're
experiencing
a
five
percent
for
that
program
next
year.
We're
scheduled
to
do
a
four
percent.
X
So
that's
why
it
would
be
17
and
a
half
percent
in
24
instead
of
13
and
a
half,
that's
what
that's
about
and
then
the
percent
debt
revenue
for
distributions
28.8
and
it
works
its
way
down.
You
know
through
over
a
10-year
period
to
well
it.
It
reaches
the
less
than
25
percent.
X
X
Thereafter
again
that
maintains
our
fund,
our
fund,
our
reserves
of
5.8
million,
the
3.2
miles
of
water
main,
as
well
as
the
the
lead
service
line.
Replacements
at
that
500
lead
service
lines
each
year.
X
And
this
table
here
represents
the
cost,
the
impact
to
the
to
the
retail
payer
and
starting
in
2023.
It's
it's.
The
annual
utility
cost
for
water
and
sewer
769
dollars,
20
Cents
by
2029,
which
is
the
last
year
of
the
13,
and
a
half
percent
increases
it's
12,
93,
30
and
so
yeah.
That
represents
all
of
the
increases
over
that
same
10-year
period
and
then
it's
three
and
a
half
percent,
starting
in
2030
through
2034
and
and
this
summer
Rises
the
table
here.
X
The
data
indicates
the
average
retail
customer
will
experience
a
68
increase
in
their
annual
water
and
sewer
bill
from
23
to
29.
When
the
last
13
and
a
half
percent
proposed
rate
increases
implemented,
the
bi-monthly
bill
will
increase
from
120
and
20
cents
to
215
dollars
and
55
cents
in
the
annual
payment
will
increase
from
769
20
to
12,
93.30
and
community
members
who
qualify
for
the
affordable,
Water
and
Sewer
rate
will
not
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
utility
rate.
X
Increases
summarize
above
and
the
affordable
rate
will
be
reviewed
every
three
years
to
ensure
that
that
rate
remains
affordable.
It's
currently
under
review
Now
by
outside
agencies,
and
so
that's
something
that's
ongoing
as
well,
and
this
table
here
is
included
in
the
memo.
I
know
it's
kind
of
small.
This
is
just
showing
in
2024,
with
the
rate
increase.
You
know
for
Evanston.
That
puts
us
in
the
in
the
middle,
between
Wilmette
and
and
Winnetka,
for
the
2024
rate
and
the
affordable
rate
is
all
the
way
at
the
bottom.
X
If,
if,
if
these
rates
for
everybody
was
to
was
to
to
be
the
same
in
10
years,
for
instance,
evanston's
rate
would
be
like
the
the
third
highest
in
today's
rates
that
we're
looking
at
now
and-
and
so
this
is
this-
is
what
that
increase.
Would
look
like
where
our
rate,
where
we
put
our
rate
in
2024
and
what
the
affordable
water
and
sewer
rate
would
look
like
compared
to
other
communities
as
well.
Y
X
So
there
are
like
we
work
with
two
agencies:
Elevate
and
the
Metropolitan
planning
Council,
and
there
are
like
five
models
that
are
used
to
determine
affordability.
X
Evanston
looked
at
the
lowest
census
track
is
a
census
track
in
Evanston
to
determine
affordability
based
off
of
that
census
tract,
and
so
we
use
that
information.
We
use
the
information
from
the
it's
four
or
five
models
that
are
used
to
calculate
what
an
affordable
rate
is,
and
we
selected
it
based
off
of
that.
Y
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
information.
I
just
worry
about
the
68
percent
increase
and
I
get
the
notifications
that
say
water
issues
in
the
in
the
ward
and
I
I've.
Seen
that
my
ward
has
a
high
number
of
about
to
be
cut
off
water
and
I
worry
with
the
pending
increase.
What
that
will
look
like
in
heavily.
Y
I'm,
assuming
most
of
my
people
most
of
my
people,
because
again
when
I
look
at
the
scale,
second
ward
has
a
great
number
of
people
that
are
always
on
the
list
of
about
to
be
cut
off
or
having
issues
with
payment
for
water.
So
I
just
worry
about
that.
When
I
see
68
I'm
trying
to
count
my
pennies
and
make
sure
as
a
council
person
I'll
be
able
to
afford
water.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
Harris
I'll
start
off
where
you
left
off.
So
what
is
the
affordable
rate.
M
Yeah
or
an
average
or,
however,
we.
X
So
for
the,
let
me
look
at
this
Here
sign
this
table
so
279
for
water-
and
this
is-
and
this
is
per
100,
1000,
gallons
and
259
for
sewer.
So
it's
a
combined
of
539
per
1000
gallons.
M
X
X
X
M
Okay
and
then
how
many
folks
do
we
have
using
that
affordable
rate.
M
Be
made
there
good
if
someone
doesn't
pay
their
sewer
bill?
Does
their
water
get
you
off.
M
Even
for
not
paying
sewer,
yeah
okay,
how
will
this
new
rate
impact
a
lot
of
our
folks
who
would
qualify
for
that
lower
rate
live
in
apartment
buildings?
I
forget:
how
do
we
account
for
apartment
buildings
that
are
providing
affordable
housing?
Because
if
we
increase
the
rate
on
the
apartment
building,
then
they're
going
to
increase
rent
and
will
be
burdening
those
those
renters.
X
X
X
It's
like
the
difference
between
the
the
two,
so
the
it's
like
a
difference
between
the
affordable
water
rate,
the
regular
water
rate
times,
there's
a
factor
that
we
multiply
by
times
how
many
people
are
in
the
household.
So,
for
instance,
if
it's
just
one
person
they
could,
they
would
get
an
annual
payment
of
like
70
or
something
if
it's
four
people,
it's
seventy
dollars
times
four
and
it
works
the
same
way
for
both
the
water.
You
know
the
water
in
the
sewer,
okay,.
M
And
how
many
folks
do
we
have
do
you
know
how
many
folks
we
have
receiving
that
benefit.
M
Okay,
that's
helpful
two
more
questions
outside
of
the
realm
there.
So
one
also
so
sorry,
one
last
question
the
Waterfront
Reserve
you
mentioned
you're,
requesting
an
increase
to
5.8
million
that
essentially
would
have
just
kept
up
with
inflation
from
2009
to
now
correct.
X
So
the
I
I
don't
know
if
it's,
if
it's
an
inflation
thing
or
not
the
the
four
million
dollars
that
we
were
using
prior
to
that
from
2009,
you
know
it
was
based
on
a
different
methodology.
X
You
know
the
city's
budget
policy
has
practices
in
there
that
are
somewhat
different
than
that
one,
so
that
one
included,
like
you
know,
fluctuations
and
in
seasonal
water,
use
it
emergencies
and
was
one
more,
but
it
comes
out
to
like
four
million
dollars,
a
million
dollars
for
this,
a
million
dollars
for
that
two
million
dollars.
You
know
for
this,
and
and
so
but
I
don't
know
if
the
inflation
factored
in
between
then
and
now,
I
don't
know.
Okay,.
M
M
For
the
water
fund,
okay,
okay,
so
essentially
inflation.
So
two
questions
now
outside
of
and
I.
This
might
have
an
obvious
answer,
but
just
bear
with
me
outside
of
the
lead
lines.
Why?
Why
do
we?
Why
do
we
care
if.
J
X
M
M
That
just
a
failure
rate
failure
great.
So
with
that
what
you
know,
what
is
the
failure
rate
for
you
know
a
120
years,
plus
80
years
plus
60
years
plus
and
at
what
point
are
we?
You
know
if
the
water
mains
are
50
years
old
and
there's
a
two
percent
chance
that
it's
going
to
fail
in
the
next
10
years
or
if
they're,
you
know,
80
or
they're
120
years
old,
and
then
there's
a
50
chance
that
they'll
fail
in
the
next
10
years?
H
X
So
that
water
main
isn't
being
degraded
as
quick
as
water
main,
that's
in
clay
soil,
that's
more
corrosive
and,
and
so
you
can
have
younger
water
main
that
fail
sooner
just
because
of
the
kind
of
soil
that
it's
in
and
and
so
that
kind
of
plays.
So
then,
maybe.
M
Do
we
have
do
we?
Can
we
somehow
throw
in
that
data
about?
Do
we
know
what
water
mains
are
in
the
sandy
soil
or
what
are
in
clay
soil.
M
X
Is
one
criteria
so
when
we're
coming
up
with
which
water
mains
are
we
going
to
replace
this
year,
age
is
one
part
of
that
break?
History
is
another
one,
fire
flow
is
another
one,
Equity
is
one
so
they're
they're
about
maybe
five
or
six
different
things.
We
look
at
to
determine.
Okay,
these
are
the
water
mains
that
we're
going
to
replace
this
year.
M
I
just
didn't
see
that
reflected
in
the
the
graph
there.
You
know
because
I
I
saw
the
eighth
Ward
had
you
know
number
of
yellow
lines
on
in
our
Ward,
and
that
seems
good.
But
then
we
could
have
all
clay
soil
there,
and
so
then
really
we
could
be
in
the
worst
shape
if
it's
not
interplay.
If
all
of
that
data
isn't
reflected
in
the
visualization.
X
M
K
K
K
So
having
a
little
bit
of
a
safety
Factor
built
into
our
water
treatment,
our
water
distribution
system
is
entirely
appropriate
waiting
for
something
to
break
and
then
fixing.
It
is
not
a
good
policy
here.
We
do
have
water
main
breaks
on
a
regular
basis
about
three
or
four
a
month,
but
we've
got
a
good
team
that
can
go
out
and
fix
them
when
they,
when
that
does
occur,
but
that's
not
the
best
solution.
Moving
forward.
K
You
change
your
oil
in
your
car,
every
5000
miles
or
whatever,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
engine
to
break
and
never
changing
it
and
waiting
for
the
engine
to
seize
up
so
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
gets
us
back
on
the
track
of
you
know
a
regular
investment
in
maintaining
our
infrastructure
and
one
way
or
the
other
we're
going
to
have
to
pay
for
this,
whether
that
comes
from
taxpayers
or
rate
payers,
we're
going
to
have
to
we're
gonna
have
to
pay
for
it.
K
Okay,
seven,
so
we're
you
know
we're
you
know:
we've
been
robbing
our
our
future
selves
of
the
benefit
of
our
current
and
our
past
selves
kind
of
a
similar
trap.
We
fell
into
with
pensions
and
so
I
think
that
we're
generally
on
the
right
track
here
of
you,
know,
making
sure
we
don't
dig
ourselves
any
further
into
a
hole
and
and
set
in
a
reasonable
path
forward.
K
So
I
want
to
talk
about
funding
sources
and
you
had
identified
five
funding
sources,
one
of
which
was
iepa
State
revolving
loan
funds,
no
comment
there,
bonds
abated
by
the
water
fund,
and
you
have
laid
laid
out.
You
know
kind
of
a
policy
over
the
next.
What
are
10
years
or
so
that
each
year,
we're
going
to
have
to
be
floating
a
bond
of
anywhere
from
five
percent
to
17,
23,
13,
13
and
then
I'm.
Sorry,
that
was
the
water
rate,
increase
the
wrong
column
anyway,
double-digit
bonds
every
year.
K
Is
it
fair
to
attribute
that
the
the
necessity
of
issuing
that
debt
to
our
lead
service
line
replacement
requirements?
X
You
know
we,
we
split
the
two,
the
water
and
distribution,
to
see
what
was
causing
that
that
decrease
in
in
the
the
revenue,
not
the
revenue,
the
the
minimum,
the
cash
reserves
right
and
it
was
a
distribution
system
that
was
causing
it
at
the
at
the
water
plant
because
of
our
wholesale
contracts
and
and
because
of
the
revenue
that's
generated
when
we,
you
know,
replace
a
300,
000,
1934
clearwell
with
a
19
million
dollar
clear.
X
Well
that
increases
the
revenue
from
our
wholesale
customers
that
you
know
we
Supply
water
to
so
that
covers
Debt
Service
on
projects
like
that
to
where
it
doesn't
impact
the
Evanston
retail
rate
payers,
but
because
our
rate
payers
are
solely
responsible
for
these
water
mains
and
lay
it
service
lines
of
that
156
miles,
99
of
them,
the
Evanston
retail
rate
pairs
responsible
for
them
and
that's
what's
driving.
You
know
the
the
bonds,
the
the
the
cash
that
we
spend.
K
Ipa
loans,
all
of
those
once
our
lead
service
lines
are
replaced
and
that's
going
to
take
20
years.
Oh
we'll
continue
to
be
paying
down
those
bonds,
but
we
won't
be
any
issuing
any
new
debt,
at
least
for
that
purpose.
Those
lead
service
lines
will
stay,
replaced
correct.
They
will
still
have
to
maintain
or
replace
a
certain
amount
of
water
main
each
year.
Correct
So,
eventually
that
the
bond
amount
each
year
of
that
will
go
down
correct.
X
And,
what's
the
benefit
too
is,
for
instance,
you
know
the
intake
that's
happening
now
that
that
has
like
a
hundred
year,
life
on
it.
H
X
K
I
want
to
I
want
to
talk
about
that
profit
in
a
second,
but
next
on
my
list
was
grants
and
loans
and
other
sources
of
revenue
you
know
specific
to
but
not
limited
to
the
lead
service
line.
Can
we
reasonably
expect
that
there
will
be
some
state
or
federal
programs
that
might
be
able
to
help
us
out
here
and
we're
not
counting
on
them
at
this
point,
is
is
my
understanding,
but
maybe
there
will
be
something
that
materializes
so.
X
We're
we're
hopeful
we've
applied
for
a
five-year
program
for
lead
service
line
Replacements
through
iepa.
Our
project
plan
has
been
accepted.
The
funding
has
not
been
approved
at
this
point,
but
the
project
plan
is
so
it's
up
to
25
million.
For
that.
X
K
It's
not
guaranteed,
so
we're
not
counting
on
that
and
if
we
are
successful
in
in
getting
if
our
application
for
this
program
is
successful
or
potentially
future
programs
that
don't
yet
exist,
that
could
have
a
a
positive
impact
on
our
our
rates
at
some
point
in
the
future.
X
Yes
and
we're
also
working
with
the
Department
of
Commerce
and
Economic
Opportunity
for
a
one
million
dollar
grant
that
we
could
use
for
lead
services.
K
So
the
numbers
we're
talking
about
here
are
essentially
self-funding.
Our
lead
service
line,
replacement,
yeah,
subject
to
revision.
If
we
get
some
additional
sources
of
revenue-
yes,
okay,
okay,
now
I
want
to
talk
about
the
the
wholesale
water
that
we
sell
and
we
do
make
money
on
that.
How
much
do
we
make
and
how
are
we
enjoying?
How
are
we
are
we
realizing
the
benefits
of
of
that
profit?.
X
X
So
just
revenue
from
you
know,
charges
for
service
yeah,
four
transfers
out
into
the
general.
K
X
So
I
can't
give
you
a
number
what
that
would
be,
but
I'm
sure
the
recommendation
would
be
higher
in
terms
of
what
the
rate
increases
would
be
with
the
bonding
amounts
would
be
it
would,
if
that,
if
you
took
that,
if
you
took
our
wholesale
dollars
away,
it
would
be
higher.
I
would
imagine
all.
K
Right
so
we
are
making
money
on
wholesale
sales
that
allows
us
to
not
raise
rates
as
high
as
we
otherwise
would
have
to,
or
not
borrow
as
much
money
as
we
otherwise
would
have
to.
You
know
that
profit
is
kind
of
baked
into
the
numbers.
We're
looking
at
here.
K
And
then
the
last
source
of
revenue
for
the
water
fund
is
is
the
the
water
rate
and
it's
unfortunate
that
we
have
to
increase
rates
so
significantly
over
the
next
few
years,
but
essentially
we're
just
catching
up
to
where
we
would
have
been.
If
we
had
been
raising
them
a
little
bit
each
year,
all
along
that's
the
way,
I
look
at
it
qualitatively
I
haven't
you
know,
I
haven't
done
the
math,
but
I
think
that's
a
lesson
for
us
moving
forward.
You
know
we've
got
to
pay
for
it
at
some
point.
K
X
For
many
years
you
know
when
we
were
doing
the
sewer
project
when
we
replaced
upgraded
our
sewer
system.
You
know
our
sewer
rates
went
from
like
30
cents
up
over
three
dollars
and
during
that
time
the
water
rate
wasn't
impacted
just
to
try
not
to
make
that
total
rate.
You
know
too,
too
expensive,
and
and
so
now
you
know
there
are
projects
that
we're
doing
now.
This
layer,
replacement
law
is
a
biggie,
because
it
is
it's.
K
Yeah
and
so
I
think
I
agree
with
both
recommendations
to
do
more
water
main
each
year
and
and
to
raise
the
rates
to
cover
the
extra
cost
so
appreciate.
The
work
here,
I
think
the
the
water
department
is
is
one
of
our
best
departments
in
the
city
in
terms
of
taking
care
of
business
and
and
doing
what
needs
to
be
done
doing
it
quietly.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
you
guys
are
getting
the
the
funding
you
need
to
keep
doing
it.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Harris,.
Y
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
doing
the
forecasting
I
was
quite
astonished
by
all
the
red
that
had
not
happened,
and
that
seems
to
be
a
problem
with
the
city
that
we're
just
deferring
and
deferring
so
I
appreciate
you
all
at
least
coming
up
with
a
projected
schedule
of
trying
to
get
those
things
done.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
thank
you,
so
much
the
water
department
does
seem
to
be
doing
its
job
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
M
Account
for
everything
just
want
to
be
really
clear
on
two
things,
so
one
on
the
rate
for
the
the
affordable
rate
and
the
payments
to
renters.
That's
that
those
payments
will
also
increase
68
percent.
M
On
difference
between
them,
okay,
so
that's
going
to
increase
just
want
to
make
sure.
Are
we?
There
are
a
number
of
questions
about
the
you
know,
revenue
or
the
profit
that
we
generate
from
our
wholesale
customers
wanna
and
a
guy
great
that
we
use
this
as
an
Enterprise
I,
guess
generally
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
making
money
on
water,
but
we
we
make
a
profit
here.
M
So
with
that,
are
we
budgeting
for
maintaining
the
infrastructure
as
far
as
the
the
water
mains
that
provide
water
to
our
Suburban
friends?
Are
we
and
you,
on
an
annual
basis,
budgeting
for
the
maintenance
of
of
that
system?.
X
I,
don't
think
that
we're
putting
aside
dollars
each
year
towards,
like
a
36
inch,
water
main
that
we
use
to
deliver
water
to
those
customers.
We
have
recently
inspected
those
water
mains
with
you
know,
swimmer
with
technology,
and
so
we
know
the
condition
of
those
means,
and
you
know
the
plan,
for
that
is
to
continue
to
do
that
in
intervals,
so
that
we
do
have
a
good
idea
of
what
the
condition
is.
And
so,
if
we
start
seeing
a
deterioration,
we
most
certainly
can
plan
I.
H
M
M
Well,
I
would
advise
us
to
maybe
chip
some
of
that
off
as
the
pro.
What
we're
looking
at
is
profit
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
again
repeating
the
same
cycle
where
we're
not
budgeting
for,
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
or
if
there's
information
that
was
left
out.
W
Dave
stomach
again,
so
we
just
did
rehabilitate
a
30
inch,
water
main
sure,
so
that
is
part
of
the
water
supply
to
some
of
our
wholesale
water
customers.
So
we
were
able
to
get
an
iepa
loan
for
that,
but
the
wholesale
water
customers
will
actually
help
pay
for
for
that
30
inch,
water
main
as
well
as
far
as
their
rate.
So
when
we
look
at
the
the
water
mains
that
provide
water
to
our
wholesale
water
customers,
they
have
to
buy
into
that
as
well.
W
Six
percent
or
whatever
it
would
be,
we
don't
pay
for
it
up
front,
we
Bond
it
and
then
The
Debt
Service.
When
we
do
a
project
at
the
water
plant,
The
Debt
Service
that
we
pay
for
the
first
20
years,
the
the
20
million
dollar
clear,
well
replacement.
We
did
not
have
to
raise
water
rates
to
have
instant
residents,
because
the
the
return
on
rate
from
our
wholesale
water
customers
was
sufficient
enough
to
pay
the
full
Debt
Service
without
having
to
raise
any
of
the
rate
for
the
Evanston
retail
customers.
M
W
M
Just
to
just
be
clear,
am
I
completely
off
base
and
that
if
we
were
to
set
aside
more
money
annually
to
make
sure
we're
maintaining
the
system
that
that
would
overall
create
savings
for
our
retail
users
as
well.
We're
all
wholesale
users
as
well.
W
This
is
a
a
catch-22
in
that
that
was
the
past
philosophy
that
we
shouldn't
spend
money
on
the
water
plant
because
it's
going
to
be
burdened
by
the
Evanston
retail
pairs.
That's
not
the
case
because
we're
taking
on
20
million
dollar
projects
and
we're
generating
enough
Revenue
to
pay
off
The
Debt
Service
without
hitting
Evanston
retail
rates
once
that
debt
service
is
paid
off
in
20
years.
W
That's
just
pure
return
on
rate
for
us
and
then,
if
you
want
to
start
putting
some
of
that
money
away
to
to
do
other
Capital
Improvements
at
the
water
plant,
that's
that
would
be
feasible.
But
right
now
there
isn't
enough
Revenue
stream
to
do
that
when
we
get
completed
with
a
50
million
dollar
intake
project
and
The
Debt
Service
on
that
is
20
years
for
half
of
it
in
30
years.
W
For
the
other
half
of
because
of
our
funding
mechanism,
that
our
our
wholesale
customers
are
going
to
pay
for
that
for
a
hundred
years
and
we
only
have
to
pay
debt
service
on
it
for
20
or
30
years,
and
we're
just
going
to
realize
that
return
on
rate
and
that's
when
we
would
have
the
money
to
start
setting
money.
Aside
to
start
doing
this,
we
have
what's
called
a
depreciation
Improvement,
an
extension
account
in
the
water
plan
already.
A
Other
questions,
I
had
just
a
couple
questions,
so
I
know
for
23
we
or
for
22.
Rather
we
budgeted
a
little
over
4
million
for
the
general
fund
out
of
water.
What
did
we
budget
for
this
year?.
X
A
A
That
was
what
our
original
5.8.
It
was
5.8,
okay,
that's
our
Reserve
month,
okay
and
so
that
25
and
the
25
million
that
you've
applied
for
from
the
iepa.
Do
we
know
when
we'll
receive
a
response
as
to
whether
we're
foreign.
W
A
W
Only
one
Federal
program-
that's
out
there
right
now
and
it
went
to
the
state
already
and
the
state
has
pretty
much
indicated
that
and
DOW
can
respond
to
this
better
or
not,
but
they
only
want
to
give
the
grant
forgiveness
or
the
loan
forgiveness
a
grant
to
the
communities
that
have
economic
impacts,
so
in
Evanston
I
believe
there's
only
two
census
tracts
that
would
qualify
potentially
for
loan
forgiveness
money.
The
rest
of
it
will
be
a
low
interest
loan,
so
Evanston
does
not
anticipate
receiving
a
lot
of
grant
money
and
okay.
W
So
that's
already
out
there
there's
nothing
else
coming
from
the
feds
and
and
then
how
the
feds
distribute
the
money
did
not
seem
very
Equitable
to
the
state
of
Illinois
because
of
the
number
LED
services
lines
that
we
have
in
Illinois.
We
got
less
money
than
states
that
have
fewer
lead
service
lines
than
our
state.
Wouldn't,
okay,
that's
at
the
national
level.
It's
little
that
we
can
do
there.
It's.
W
A
A
A
Think
there's
various
ways
to
go
on
this
in
terms
of
funding,
but
I
just
want
to
keep
this
all
open
to
those
options
and
what
we'll
end
up
benefiting
most
are
Evans
and
residents
in
terms
of
rates
for
us
we
should
have
decent
rates,
given
that
this
is,
it
should
be
a
relatively
lucrative
business
and
I.
Think
at
seven
million
I
just
don't
know
how
many
contracts
about
do
we
have
four,
we
have
four
contracts
and
what
those
are
with
Northwest.
X
Based
on
assets,
value
of
assets
that
they
use
is
one
component,
another
component
is
depreciation
and
the
final
component
is
a
quantity
charge
and
the
the
return
on
rate
portion
of
it
is
based
on
a
valuation
that
we
have
done
each
year
and
the
percent
of
the
plant
that
that
customer
uses.
X
So
like
you,
if,
if
you're,
our
largest
customer,
that
pay
that's
54
of
the
water
that
comes
through
the
plant
and
leaves
out,
goes
to
that
customer,
their
calculation
is
going
to
be
different.
The
expenses
that
are
used,
the
amount
of
water
that
they
use
there.
There
are
a
number
of
variables
that
go
into
the
calculation
that
determines
what
each
customer
will
ultimately
end
up
paying
and
so
we're
not
the
contracts
aren't
saying:
hey.
X
All
of
our
customers
are
going
to
pay
this
rate,
it's
based
on
the
assets
that
they
use
the
percentage,
the
percentages
of
the
plant
that
they
use
the
amount
of
water
that
that's
treated
and
goes
out
to
them,
as
well
as
the
the
the
quantity
of
water
that
they
use
in
comparison
to
the
expenses.
Okay,.
A
Are
they
all
on?
Are
they
on
varying
terminating
dates
or
so.
X
W
W
Just
like
to
explain
that
our
water
rate
to
our
wholesale
Water
customer
uses
the
American
Waterworks
Association,
nationally
recognized
formula
for
wholesale
water
rate
development.
So
yes,
each
of
our
wholesale
water
customers
pay
a
different
rate
per
thousand
gallons,
but
it's
all
based
on
the
same
formula
type
contract.
W
So
and
then
part
of
the
contract
is
a
quantity
rate
which
is
based
on
the
actual
cost
of
producing
water.
So
if
we
have
a
large
spike
in
electricity
or
a
large
spike
in
chlorine,
cost
that
cost
is
is
distributed
right
onto
our
wholesale
Water
customer.
So
it
protects
the
city
from
any
kind
of
large
increase,
because
we
just
passed
that
cost
onto
our
wholesale
water
customers
baked
right
into
the
contract.
So
this
is
a
very
safe
and
sound
water
supply
contract
that
is
nationally
recognized.
W
It's
been
upheld
in
court
when
all
the
municipalities
around
Chicago
sued
Chicago
in
the
1980s.
This
is
the
the
Waterway
contract
that
was
upheld
by
the
by
the
courts.
So
that's
why
Evanston
selected
it
and
again,
because
it's
nationally
recognized
and
it
provides
protection
to
the
the
provider
as
well
as
the
customer.
So
it's
a
very
fair
and
equitable
situation,
so.
X
Councilman
we
tell
them
what
we're
doing.
Actually.
This
week
we
have
a
Wholesale
customer
meeting.
We
meet
with
our
wholesale
customers
twice
a
year.
We
have
a
meeting
at
the
plant
this
week
and
we
outline
everything
that
we're
doing
everything
that's
coming
up.
So
it's
very
transparent
and
and
they're
aware
of
of
our
activities
as
well.
M
My
time
is
up,
but
just
quick
question,
so
the
four
million
dollar
annual
transfer
from
the
Waterfront
to
the
general
fund.
When
was
that
number
generated
by
a
consultant
and
how
many
years
ago,.
W
No,
no
I
think
it
was
three
years
ago.
V
Annually,
no,
yes,
we
do
it
just
based
on
the
kind
of
cost
of
living.
The
contracts
I
mean
library
is
the
one
which
kind
of
pays
us
some
of
the
Tiff
ones
where
we
charge
money
to
and
comes
to,
the
general
fund
and
obviously
the
Waterfront
would
be
they're
treated.
The
same
thing.
V
A
reasonable
increase
in
a
single
digit
to
all
the
funds,
particularly
some
of
those
like
library,
has
a
thing
that
okay,
they
can
get
what
the
apps
me
gets.
So
there
will
be
like
an
increase
whatever
the
apps
may
get.
We
will
raise
the
amount
by
that.
H
V
But
generally
active
funds,
I
mean
we
see
the
capacity
of
the
tip
funds
and
if
we
generally
see
that
okay,
it's
there
a
five
to
eight
percent
increase
in
overall
cost.
We
would
bump
up
our
transfers
from
Tif
firms
to
the
general
fund
accordingly
to
and
the
same
thing
would
apply
to
the
waterfall.
Okay.
A
I
You
thank
you.
My
name
is
Laura
Biggs
I'm,
the
city
engineer.
I
actually
did
not
prepare
a
presentation.
I
received
a
request
from
a
number
of
people
asking
just
for
a
status
update
related
to
the
capital
Improvement
projects
for
that
were
budgeted
in
2023,
so
I,
provided
that
in
the
packet
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
or
if
you
have
follow-up
questions
of
course
feel
free
to
email
me,
but
I,
don't
have
anything
specific
to
say.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Oh
okay,
council
member,
newsman.
K
The
Main
Street
project
from
Maple
to
Hinman
is
in
the
2023
list,
did
not
get
done
this
year.
I
did
not
see
it
in
the
2024
list.
I
K
L
Hi
I
was
looking
through
the
list
and
I
could
not
I
know
it's
a
small
project
but
the
Cleveland
Asbury
pedestrian,
crosswalk
I'm,
assuming
that's
in
the
traffic
calming
bicycle.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
and
place
this
on
file.
K
Move
item
sp4
for
discussion:
this
is
the
proposed
2024
Capital
Improvement
program.
Second,.
I
Thank
you.
We
just
need
the
presentation
up.
I
Okay,
take
it
away
members
of
the
city
council,
mayor
Pro,
tem
city
clerk
city
manager.
The
staff
has
worked
very
hard
to
put
together
a
draft
Capital
Improvement
program
to
talk
about
for
2024.
I
We
have
been
on
a
schedule
where,
typically,
we
always
start
in
April
or
May,
to
try
to
pull
together
the
project
needs
this
year.
We
have
based
on
feedback
we
received.
Last
year.
We
have
spent
some
time
going
to
the
parks
and
rec
board
ahead
of
time,
as
well
as
the
finance
and
budget
committee,
and
we
are
introducing
it
tonight,
but
it
will
be
adopted
with
the
budget
at
least.
Traditionally,
it's
always
been
adopted
with
the
2024
budget,
so
our
Capital
Improvement
program
is
made
up
of
a
number
of
different
categories.
I
We
divide
it
up
really
just
for
ease
of
talking
about
and
being
able
to
track
it
into
streets,
Transportation
Parks
facilities,
water
treatment
and
a
miscellaneous
category.
Last
year
we
tried
out
putting
in
a
sustainability
category,
but
because
so
many
of
the
capital
Improvement
projects
touch
on
sustainability.
It
sort
of
led
to
some
confusion
in
that
it
only
included
a
few
of
the
projects.
I
So
in
terms
of
funding,
there
are
a
number
of
different
funding
sources.
Of
course,
the
many
of
the
funding
sources
are
really
based
on
the
assets
that
they're
associated
with
such
as
water
revenues
are
used
to
pay
for
water
assets.
Same
for
sewer,
motor
fuel
tax
has
to
be
spent
on
projects
that
are
approved
basically
through
the
that
are
built
to
Illinois
Department
of
Transportation
standards.
I
I
But
now
this
is
the
slide
that
is
very
telling,
which
is
that
when
we
come
to
Transportation
or
water,
those
areas
of
our
CIP
have
a
lot
of
funding
sources
outside
or
inside
our
budget
that
can
be
leveraged
that
are
not
directly
General
obligation,
bonds,
however
parks
and
Facilities.
This
is
a
totally
different
story.
Parks
and
Facilities
have
almost
no
opportunities.
There's
an
occasional
grant
for
Parks
this
particular
year.
We
are
getting
some
money,
for
example,
that
is
actually
arpa.
I
Funds
through
Evanston
thrives
for
the
independence
Park
project,
there's
a
section,
that's
a
plaza
that
serves
the
Central
Business
District
Central
Street
business
district.
But
when
we
get
to
facilities
there,
there's
nothing
that
comes
in
as
an
outside
Grant
years
ago,
when
there
were
more
Federal,
ear
marks
and
state
earmarks,
we
very
occasionally
would
get
one
of
those.
But
historically
this
has
been
the
problem,
and
so,
while
the
city
legitimately
does
try
to
control
debt,
this
has
resulted
into
really
controlling
and
limiting
the
funding
that
we
can
spend
on
Parks
and
Facilities.
I
As
we
put
together
the
program
this
year,
we
were
pretty
easily
able
to
identify
three
challenges
that
really
impact
our
ability
to
deliver
on
our
infrastructure
improvements.
So
the
first
of
these
was
discussed
by
Daryl
King.
Previously
I
won't
go
into
it
that
much,
but
essentially
the
issues
with
the
age
of
the
water
main
skyrocketing
materials
and
Supply
costs
associated
with
water
main
replacement,
as
well
as
the
additional
requirements
for
lead
service
line
replacement,
are
really
driving
up
that
portion
of
our
budget.
I
During
our
CIP
last
year,
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback
from
people
on
this
Council,
as
well
as
some
other
people
in
the
community
that
it
seemed
like.
We
were
spending
a
lot
of
time
doing
massively
large
Parks
projects
that
were
very
expensive,
and
could
we
find
a
better
way?
Why
were
we
doing
that?
Other
communities
aren't
necessarily
doing
that.
Could
we
do
something
differently?
So,
based
on
that
feedback?
I
We
really
looked
at
how
we
were
doing
things
and
what
was
causing
us
to
do
these
large,
one-off,
but
very
expensive
projects,
and
so
this
second
one
which
I
refer
to
as
Legacy
Parks.
We
talked
a
lot
about
in
the
Parks
and
Rec
board's
presentation
earlier,
but
this
is
just
a
little
bit
more
background.
So,
basically,
we
looked
at
our
parks
and
they
really
fund
fall
into
three
categories
in
rcip
and
we
reorganized
the
park
CIP
to
make
it
easier
to
see
where
our
funding
was
going
in
terms
of
our
Parks.
I
So
the
first
as
Community
parks-
and
these
are
most
of
our
larger
Parks,
like
the
lakefront
Parks
James
Park,
Lovelace
parks
that
are
regularly
used
by
people
outside
of
the
immediate
neighborhood.
These
are
destination
spaces
that
get
a
lot
of
foot
traffic.
They
are
very
well
loved
by
our
community
and
consequently,
they
do
need
regular
investment
just
to
kind
of
keep
them
in
good
condition.
So
this
is
the
proposed
Capital
Improvement
program
for
2024.
I
four
parks
for
the
community
Parks.
It
includes
a
number
of
projects
that
were
already
ongoing
from
this
year,
including
dog,
beach,
Ada
accessibility,
for
example,
but
also
does
include
some
new
ones.
We
have
had
a
couple
of
specific
requests
that
you
saw
earlier
from
the
parks
and
rec
board
that
got
added
into
this.
I
So
when
we
look
at
these
parks-
and
in
fact
when
we
look
at
the
really
large
Parks
over
the
last
couple
years,
they
were
also
Legacy
Parks
Parks,
like
McCulloch
and
garlic
Garden
Park,
where
the
parks
that
had
not
received
any
real
investment
for
a
while
and
when
we
talk
about.
Why
are
these
so
expensive?
I
Why
can't
we
just
change
out
playground,
equipment
and
the
truth
is
that
that
is
a
strategy
that
can
be
used
for
a
lot
of
parks,
but
for
these
particular
neighborhood
parks.
When
we
look
at
well,
let's
just
change
out
the
playground
equipment.
Oh
gotta
comply
with
modern
standards,
maybe
there's
power
lines
that
go
directly
over
the
equipment.
There's
other
reasons
why
it
doesn't
conform.
There's
in
this
particular
one.
You
can
see
the
pathway
that
goes
right
up
to
the
playground,
equipment
that
would
need
to
comply
with
Ada
does
not
so.
I
This
particular
park
has
significant
pathway,
work
that
needs
to
be
done
throughout
the
park
and
then,
if
there's
a
gazebo
and
it
hasn't
had
any
sort
of
improvement
for
a
long
time.
Oh,
we
should
probably
look
at
that
and
the
courts
and
by
the
time
you
start
looking
at
all
of
these
things,
you're
basically
reimagining
the
park
to
try
to
get
it
to
what
it,
how
it
would
reflect
our
modern
day
standards
and
the
community
needs.
I
But
then
other
parts
are
just
largely
not
invested
in
unless
something
catastrophic
happens
and
we
have
to
take
out
a
bunch
of
playground
equipment
and
then
we
might
choose
to
do
something
so
we're
doing
very
little.
Regular
maintenance
and
I
would
suggest
that
probably
the
most
regular
thing
we've
been
doing,
which
I'm
sure
many
in
the
community
would
agree
has
not
been
enough
is
Court
resurfacing,
which,
in
the
last
two
or
three
years,
we've
started
investing
substantially
in
tennis
court
resurfacing.
I
So
we
would
propose
to
change
that
we
can
look
at
how
we
retire
the
or
reinvest
in
these
Legacy
Parks
over
the
next
five
years
and
try
to
get
through
those
I
say
five
years,
because,
honestly,
even
if
we
take
five
years
to
get
through
all
of
them,
some
of
them
will
just
be
removing
wholesale
playground,
equipment
and
stuff.
I
By
the
end
of
the
five
years
I
mean
these
are
really
not
in
great
condition,
but
then
to
go
to
re
doing
this
regular
investment
doing
things
like
just
going
into
a
park
and
changing
out
playground,
equipment
going
and
looking
at
modernizing
the
lighting
doing
that
kind
of
stuff
on
a
regular
basis.
The
challenge
is
that
that
would
require
us
to
sort
of
double
spend
during
the
next
five
years
and
would
dramatically
increase
what
we're
spending
on
Parks.
I
If
we
were
trying
to
do
that
now,
I
would
suggest
that
we
are
in
the
middle
of
the
Park's
strategic
plan.
We
should
be
getting
that
document
sooner,
so
this
is
a
strategy
which
we
can
work
with
the
consultant
to
make
sure
that
plan
reflects
the
strategy,
but
it
is
likely
that
we
would
want
to
update
it
in
2020
for
when
we're
preparing
the
2025
budget.
So
when
we
prepare
the
proposed
CIP
for
2024
we're
looking
at
dividing
it
up
so
neighborhood
parks
that
are
Legacy
parks
and
then
neighborhood
park
worth
that
is
non-legacy.
I
We
have
had
requests
for
dog
park
installations,
that's
on
their
the
Mason
Park
project
is
sort
of
ongoing.
It
was
paused
for
a
bit
while
we
were
working
through
some
issues
with
the
property
compute
version
from
Foster
field
with
the
idnr,
but
that
project
as
soon
as
we
get
some
feedback
additional
statements
from
the
idnr
we're
planning
on
moving
forward
and
that
project
I
should
indicate
is
funded
largely
by
the
West
Evanson
Tiff
and
then
adding
a
section
to
our
CIP,
which
this
part
has
been
pretty
lacking.
I
We've
done
some
very
minimal
stuff
up
till
now,
but
really
looking
at
how
we
would
do
investment
in
modernization.
I
think
these
numbers
are
lower
than
what
we
would
normally
need
to
spend,
but
they
are
the
maximum
we
could
possibly
manage
with
the
Staffing
that
we
have
and
I
would
work
with
our
Consultants
on
the
Strategic
plan
to
update
these
for
the
long
term.
I
So
when
we
look
at
this,
this
creates
a
10.9
million
dollar
program,
of
which
nine
of
10
million
dollars
essentially
is
General
obligation
bonds.
Now
we
have
a
huge
issue
with
Staffing
in
our
Parks
CIP
team,
and
that
is
really
we
have
a
half
of
land
land,
a
half
ftu
0.5
FTE
there
we
go
landscape
architect
that
works
on
this
and
I
have
been
working.
I
Our
team
has
been
working
to
have
0.5
of
a
civil
engineer
from
our
transportation
group,
helping
out
because
there's
just
no
way
that
the
one
half
person
time
could
possibly
manage
the
parks
programs
we've
had
even
up
to
now,
but
just
to
manage
the
existing.
We
really
need
another
landscape
architect.
That
person
could
then
take
a
look
at
starting
to
implement
this
regular
annual
investment.
I
Similarly,
we
have
our
Legacy
facilities,
a
very
similar
situation
that
is
developed
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
this
information
has
been
previewed
with
the
city
council
before,
but
we
have
these
six
facilities
of
which
two
we're
starting
to
work
on,
where
we're
struggling
with
how
to
manage
these
projects
and
keep
these
facilities
in
service.
So
as
we
look
at
the
long-term
CIP
just
because
of
the
age
of
the
facilities,
we
would
recommend
reaching
some
conclusions
on
how
to
manage
those
facilities
over
the
next
five
to
eight
years.
I
All
of
those
facilities
have
a
strategic
plan,
that's
being
developed
just
for
that
facility,
and
we
are
sort
of
90
percent
done
with
the
drafts
of
all
those
plans.
We've
been
a
little
bit
hampered
because
one
of
our
we
have
two
architect
positions,
and
one
of
them
has
been
vacant
all
year
retirement.
I
I
That
includes
primarily
focusing
on
the
Ecology
Center
renovation,
which
is
InDesign
the
service
center
North
Island
fuel
system
replacement,
which
is
in
design
and
nearly
ready
to
go
out
to
bed,
and
then
some
service
center
work
we're
further
along
in
the
service
center
of
capital
Improvement
program
than
the
other
Legacy,
the
three
remaining
Legacy
ones
after
that.
But
we
would
propose
budgeting
some
money
to
hire
Consultants
to
work
through
the
Civic,
Center
and
police
fire
headquarters.
I
Regardless
of
what
those
decisions
are
made,
we
hope
to
be
making
those
decisions
early
next
year
and
then
we
would
want
to
move
forward
with
whatever
the
next
steps
are
for
those.
If
we
chose
we're
not
able
to
move
forward
or
other,
you
know
a
decision
we
made
to
delay
those
we
just
simply
would
not
incur
the
bonds
for
those
funding.
Those
programs.
I
There
are
a
number
of
non-legacy
facility
things.
Facilities
are
a
little
more
complicated
than
Parks.
It's
not
quite
so
easy
to
just
still
down
exactly
what
is
needed.
We
have
some
fairly
serious
things
going
on
in
the
bent.
Park
field
house
has
been
closed
for
quite
some
time,
which
has
impacted
our
ability
to
provide
Parks
and
Rec
programming
at
bent,
Park
Fire
Station,
five
there's
an
ongoing
issue
with
the
building
envelope,
which
we
have
not
yet
sorted
through.
I
We
are
bringing
on
a
new
architect,
we're
hoping
that
person
will
help
us
with
that
project,
and
so
those
two
are
pretty
big.
We
also
then
have
a
number
of
locker
room
and
kitchen
improvements.
I
mean
we
talked
about
the
Levy
Center,
our
fire
stations.
We
have
some
that
the
kitchens
are
very
impacted
through
heavy
use
and
then
just
other
stuff
going
on
with
the
Fifth
Ward
school.
I
We
have
budgeted
money
to
look
at
what
we
want
to
do
with
the
future
of
the
Fifth
Ward
school
or
with
Fleetwood
Jordan
understanding
that
the
Fifth
Ward
school
is
going
to
have
some
dramatic
impacts
in
that
facility
and
the
programs
that
are
coming
out
of
that.
The
schedule
for
the
Fifth
Ward
School.
I
I
So,
as
that
starts
to
happen,
you
can
see
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
start
dealing
with
some
of
the
realities
of
having
Foster
field
taken
out
of
service
for
the
long
term.
What
will
replace
it
is
a
play
space
we're
working
with
a
through
an
mou
with
the
school
district
to
allow
us
to
continue
to
use
that
play
space,
but
that's
not
the
same
as
the
athletic
field
that
we
were
able
to
program
prior
to
now.
I
I
I,
don't
have
the
detailed
plan
in
this
proposal.
I
will
tell
you
that
street
water
sewer
you
can
review
the
capital
Improvement
program.
I
know
this
is
a
long
meeting
I'm
happy
to
go
through
that
some
other
time,
but
we
are
able
to
leverage
a
lot
of
other
funding
sources
to
be
able
to
manage
those
particular
programs
a
lot
of
times.
The
Geo
debt
is
really
only
used
as
matching
funds
in
Street,
water
and
transportation.
There
are
some
items
in
other
transportation
that
it
does
does
pay
for
directly.
I
Specifically
things
like
sidewalks
and
crosswalk
improvements.
There
aren't
a
lot
of
other
options
out
there,
but
you
can
see
here
again
that
we're
leveraging
a
lot
of
other
funds
to
get
the
work
done.
That's
not
geodet
and
then
our
miscellaneous
category,
which
has
a
typo
the
total
for
public
art,
should
really
only
be
thirty
thousand
dollars.
I
I
apologize
for
that
we'll
fix
it
for
the
next
presentation,
but
this
there
are
a
few
that
are
purely
just
carp,
studies
that
are
largely
run
out
of
our
sustainability
group
and
those
do
appear
in
here:
water
treatment
building
and
Storage.
We've
discussed
some
of
that
with
Daryl's
presentation.
I
The
single
largest
project
is
the
intake
on
this
one,
and
so
then,
what
we
need
to
do
is
because
the
capital
program
is
really
too
large
for
the
staffing
that
we
have.
Currently,
we
really
need
to
look
at
how
to
right
size
it
so
to
that
last
year
we
did
a
similar
exercise.
I
These
criteria
that
are
listed
here
were
the
criteria
that
we
worked
with
the
city
council
to
come
up
with
a
right
sizing
program,
I'm,
not
sure
how
people
felt
about
that
now
that
a
year
has
gone
by
and
I'm
open
to
hearing.
If
there's
other
criteria
that
people
would
be
interested
in
using
one
of
those
things
is
carp,
and
actually
we
are
going
to
the
environment
board
on
Thursday
to
discuss
how
the
capital
and
pro
Improvement
program
addresses
carp
strategies.
I
It
would
be
very
helpful,
I
think
for
staff
to
understand
feedback
on
the
strategies
that
we
have
put
out
here,
understanding
that
they're
a
big
change
in
how
we've
particularly
fund
the
facilities
and
Parks
programs
and
then
looking
at
the
priority,
the
criteria
we
use
to
prioritize
projects
and
if
that's
something
we
want
to
do
something
similar
this
year
or
if
there's
a
different
methodology.
We
want
to
go
through.
L
Engineer,
Biggs
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
personally,
I
I,
like
the
criteria
that
we
used
last
year.
It
was
very
helpful
for
myself
to
have
those
different
categories
to
you,
know:
sort
through
all
the
capital
Improvement
projects
and
make
the
decisions
based
on
that
that
criteria
I'd
be
open
to
maybe
adding
one
more
category.
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
be,
but
if
you
folks
find
something
that
you
know
would
also
help
us
prioritize
further
and
be
appreciated.
Yeah
I'll.
I
Do
a
small
response
to
that
one:
we
are
working
with
our
new
equity
and
coordinator
to
develop
Equity
index
I,
don't
know
that
it
will
be
applicable
to
this
year's
Capital
program,
but
there
are
some
that
projects
that
are
obviously
focused
and
More
in
cwg
areas
and
I,
don't
just
mean
that
it's
cdbg
funded
but
programs
that
focus
in
some
of
our
more
unvulnerable
census
blocks.
So
the
equity
thing
will
be
based
at
least
partially
on
that
great.
K
Thank
you
first
comment
is
I'm
really
glad
that
sustainability
is
now
kind
of
permeating
the
entire
CIP.
So
that's
a
good
thing,
I
think
that's
moving
in
the
right
direction.
K
It's
obvious
here
that
we
have
that
our
Capital
needs
far
outweigh
the
it's
far
larger
than
the
available
funding.
So
we
do
have
some
hard
discussions
coming
up
and
we're
not
intending
to
do
that
here.
At
this
meeting
tonight
we've
got
some.
You
know
individual
meetings
lined
up
over
the
next
few
days.
I'll
save
a
lot
of
my
specific
comments
for
those
for
that
meeting,
but
a
couple
of
things
I
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
I
mentioned
this
before,
but
of
the
112
million
dollar.
You
know
potential
request
here.
K
Only
32
million
is
coming
from
go
bonds
when
it
comes
to
Parks.
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
looking
to
add
staff
internally
I'm
wondering
if
that's
enough,
based
on
the
presentation
we
had
from
the
park,
parks
and
rec
board
earlier
tonight,
you
know
I
would
be
open
to
Staffing
up
to
whatever
degree
makes
sense
internally
to
save
money
on
what
we're
currently
penciling
in
going
to
Consultants
one
way
or
the
other.
The
work
needs
to
get
done.
K
You
know
my
my
hypothesis
is
that
if
we
have
adequately
staffed
up,
we
can
do
the
work.
We
can
do
more
for
Less,
with
with
less.
If
you
were
consultants
in
Morgan's,
more
in-house
staff.
I
I
So
it
makes
sense
to
consult
out
those
types
of
projects,
but
when
we
look
at
doing
smaller,
more
consistent
projects,
just
replacing
playground,
equipment
looking
at
pathway
resurfacing
and
those
kinds
of
things
are
much
more
amenable
to
being
done
by
in-house
staff,
and
so
one
of
our
goals
would
be
to
because
we'll
always
have
consultants
for
some
of
these
big
projects.
You
know
you
do
the
shoreline.
I
I
Not
for
Parks
work
but
as
the
water
main
stuff
happens,
that
would
require
additional
civil
engineering.
Almost
all
of
our
water
main
is
currently
designed
in-house
and
it
would
be
challenging
to
double
it
with
the
existing
staff.
Yeah.
I
E
I
We
would
love
to
fill
the
vacancies.
We've
had
a
number
of
long-term
vacancies
in
civil
engineering,
it's
a
pretty
tough
job
market,
and
so
that's
something
that
the
city,
manager
and
I
are
starting
to
work
on
and
really
looking
at,
taking
a
hard
look
at
how
we
do
that,
but
that
doesn't
whether
we
have
vacancies
or
not
doesn't
change
the
need
for
more
positions,
and
so
fundamentally
what
we've
been
doing
is
we
have
been
hiring
some
Consultants
out
of
our
salary
line
item
to
try
to
make
up
for
lack
of
civil
engineers.
I
K
I
That
really
applies
when
you're
talking
playground,
equipment
and
not
a
lot
else.
But
if
your
project
is
to
go
in
and
do
playground
equipment
replacement,
then
yes,
you
can
definitely
leverage
that
type
of
thing.
Now
it's
not
usually
entirely
just
that,
but
it
that
can
be
a
lot
of
the
design
work
when
it
comes
down
to
it.
I
It's
we
have
found
that
Evanston
residents
are
really
demanding
in
terms
of
what
their
Parks
look
like
and
wanting
to
have
a
say
in
exactly
what's
going
in,
but
I
think
there
is
a
pathway
forward
where
we
just
talk
about.
Maybe
some
very
brief
questions
like
what
kind
of
style
of
parks
are
you
thinking
about?
Here's
some
different
types
of
playground,
equipment,
just
getting
some
rough
feedback
and
then
using
the
manufacturer
to
provide
a
lot
of
the
the
Consulting
Evanston.
K
H
K
Topics
for
future
conversations
for
sure.
One
last
comment:
if
there's
time
I
would
love
for
the
Utilities
Commission
to
have
a
look
at
this,
which
is
not
something
I.
Think
we've
ever
done
in
the
past,
but
I
know
the
Utilities.
Commission
gets
regular
reports
on
capital
projects
underneath
their
scope
of
work
it'd
be
great
to
have
their
input
on
what
those
projects
are.
Q
Q
Q
I
think
that's
all
that's
enough
time.
I
have
I,
do
have
a
proposal
that
will
make
its
way
through
committee
is,
it
will
be
discussed
hopefully
at
the
next
financial
budget
committee.
Q
I
was
going
to
give
a
preview
of
that
today,
but
I
think
we
have
enough
time
to
have
the
discussion
in
committee
and
and
then
eventually
as
a
full
Council.
So
that's
all
thank
you.
A
Great,
thank
you.
I
guess.
I'd
also
like
to
just
dovetail
a
little
bit
on
council
member
nuzma's,
just
questions
regarding
the
Consulting
fees
for
new
new
park
designs
to
see.
If
we
can
do
better
somehow
in
the
cost
of
our
new
parks,
it
just
seems
like
I,
think
it's
about
700
000
for
next
year.
That's
in
the
budget
for
just
Consulting
fees
on
these
it
seems
Seems
High
like
how
can
we
do
a
little
bit
better
in
in
pricing?
A
Some
you
know,
residents
told
me
about
the
Skokie
new
Central
Park
that
they
built
the
whole
thing
with
resurfacing
playground,
Splash,
Pad,
Pathways
Fitness
stations
and
everything
for
1.2,
but
Independence
Park
is
we're
looking
at
1.7,
so
figures
to
see
how
we
can
reduce
costs
if
we
can
do
better
on
that
end
with
regard
to
Consulting
fees
and
and
I
do
think
it
would
be
helpful.
A
I
mean
for
I
think
for
finance
and
budget
to
look
at
the
priorities
that
you've
set
forth
in
terms
of
capital,
Improvement
and
really
look
at
what
we
can
afford
and
and
how
we
should
pay
for
it.
I
think
I
think
it's
really
the
purview
of
finance
and
budget
than
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council.
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
M
M
The
conversation
that
we
have
not
had
yet
and
that
hopefully
we
will
have-
is
about
Revenue
to
pay
for
some
of
these
new
expenses,
and
this
is
just
CIP.
This
doesn't
even
get
us
to
the
to
the
full
budget.
Yet
and-
and
you
know
well
folks,
in
the
public
and
even
on
this
diocese
may
not
agree
with
everything
I've
put
forward
over
a
million
dollars
in
new
revenue
for
us
to
consider.
M
You
know
both
officially-
and
you
know,
by
calling
folks
over
a
million
dollars
in
new
revenue,
for
us
to
consider
for
this
year
and
I.
Think
we're
gonna
have
to
really
think
about
what
our
priorities
are
and
whether
we
are
willing
to
you
know
takes
the
necessary
steps
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
enough
funding.
M
Now
a
million
dollars
annually
isn't
going
to
change
everything
and
provide
all
the
funding
we
need,
but
it
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and
so
paying
for
parking
rates
at
our
city
parks
or
at
our
you
know,
Robert,
Crown
and
and
James
Park,
and
some
of
our
larger
Parks.
M
You
know
an
increase
in
the
wheel,
tax,
self-checkout,
kiosk
fees.
There
are
plenty
of
things
that
will
not
overly
burden
regular
working
class
evanstonians,
and
we
really
have
to
consider
whether
or
not
we
are
willing
to
to
to
to
to
to
do.
M
Take
some
tough
steps
in
order
to
pay
for
this
stuff,
which
we
know
is
most
of
it,
is
a
priority
of
this
Council
and
this
body,
and
so
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
we
get
closer
and
closer
to
budget
data
and
when
we
have
to
start
making
the
tough
decisions
on
what
to
fund
and
what
not
to
fund
whether
to
raise
property
taxes,
whether
to
issue
new
bonds.
How
much
we're
going
to
issue
new
bonds?
M
A
A
D
M
Award
meeting
on
September
28th
at
the
Robert
Crown
Center,
our
first
award
meeting
outside
of
the
ward
so
join
us
it'll,
be
hybrid
meeting
and
we'll
have
assessor
Fritz
kegie.
At
that
meeting
to
discuss
the
assessor's
office
and
property
taxes
will
also
have
a
gentleman
from
pallet
shelters
to
discuss,
pallet,
shelters
and
the
possibility
of
bringing
those
to
Evanston,
as
well
as
we'll
have
our
police
department
and
we'll
have
an
open
forum
for
folks
to
discuss
things
but
Fritz
cages.
M
The
big
big
name,
and
we
invite
folks
from
all
over
the
city
to
join
us.
A
Thank
you
councilmember.
Oh
first
word
we
will
have
a
zoom
meeting
zoom
we're
meeting
this
Thursday
at
seven
o'clock
and
an
in-person
public
safety
meeting
with
officer
rust
on
Tuesday
at
four
o'clock
at
The,
Graduate,
Hotel
and
councilmember.
Y
Harris,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
you
lost
patience.
I
had
to
cancel
last
week's
War
meeting
because
I
wasn't
feeling
well,
as
you
noticed,
I
walked
off
the
days
and
went
straight
home,
so
I
will
reschedule
that
and
it
will
be
a
zoom.
A
date
has
not
been
identified.
Thank
you.
A
As
I've
seen,
no
further
business
before
us
city
council
meeting
is
adjourned
at
9
29.
Thank
you.