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A
A
C
A
We
have
a
quorum
present
and
are
prepared
to
do
our
work.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
my
public
announcements
and
proclamations
of
which
I
have
two.
The
first
is
very,
very
brief,
but
I
think
very
important,
given
this
community's
commitments
and
values
and
priorities,
which
is
to
make
everyone
aware
that
April
is
fair
housing
month
and
I,
think
that's
good
reminder
of
some
of
the
housing
inequities
that
still
exists
in
our
community
today
and
that
we
need
to
work
together
to
overcome.
A
The
second
item
is
a
proclamation
proclaiming
this
week:
National
Public
Safety,
telecommunicators
Week.
A
Now,
therefore,
I
me,
mayor
of
the
City
of
Evanston
I,
do
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
April
9th
through
15
2023,
as
National
Public
Safety
telecommunicators
Week
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
in
honor
of
the
men
and
women
whose
diligence
and
professionalism
keep
our
city
and
citizens
safe,
signed
on
this
10th
day
of
April
2023,
and
to
accept
this
Proclamation.
We
have
four
of
our
telecommunicators
with
us.
I
need
to
say
in
advance
a
bit
of
an
apology.
A
These
proclamations
are
ordinarily
nicely
bound
and
we
six
o'clock
crept
up
on
us.
I
think
is
probably
the
best
way
to
say
it.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
you
to
come
up
and
accept
this
recognition
and,
if
you're
interested,
we
can
do
a
photo
together,
but
then
I'll
take
the
proclamation
back
to
make
sure
that
it's
ultimately
handed
over
in
the
condition
that
is
worthy
of
the
work
that
you
all
do.
A
A
D
Reed,
as
you
all
are
walking
out,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you
do
on
the
behalf
of
residents
of
the
eighth
Ward
there's
so
many
great
examples
of
of
of
the
work
that
you
know,
folks
in
your
profession,
do
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
one
of
the
times
when
you
can,
you
know,
be
on
social
media
and
see
something
dealing
with
the
police
department
and
always
know
that
it's
going
to
be
a
good
response,
and
so
really
thank
you
to
everything
you
do
bye.
A
We'll
just
switch
the
order
of
the
agenda
briefly,
the
and
move
ahead
to
the
item.
Four
Communications
from
the
city
clerk.
B
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
a
public
comment
from
Dana
Dean
to
share
her
opposition
for
the
farmer's
market
to
move.
We
also
got
another
public
comment.
B
And
there's
at
least
I
know
one
more
about
the
farmers
market.
It
should
be
in
your
mailbox.
Your
your
emails
as
well
and
I
also
wanted
to
do
a
brief.
Congratulations
to
the
first
Spanish
Police
Academy
that
graduated
today
this
past
Thursday.
We
have
a
full
room
of
Spanish
speakers
who
took
for
the
first
time,
took
a
class
of
the
police
academy.
B
It
was
a
six-week
course
and
I
also
participated
myself
just
to
be
a
part
of
that
class
and
I
wanted
to
congratulate
Chief
Stewart
and
deputy
chief
Wright
Sergeant
Brown
Sergeant
cordraya
Sergeant,
Carter
officer,
Jones
officer,
rust
officer,
Cortez
officer,
Lopez
officer,
Daley,
Sandra
Hernandez,
and
our
service
desk
officer,
Liz,
Mendoza
and
Sandra
Henry
Hernandez
also
works
for
3-1-1
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
Moran
Center
for
participating
in
the
class
and
to
officer
Galindo
and
officer
Herrera,
who
were
instrumental
in
putting
the
class
together
and
recruiting
the
families
that
took
the
class,
the
six-week
course
and
ultimately,
graduated
from
it.
B
I
think
it's
a
great
example
of
what
we
can
have
in
our
Police
Department.
If
we
support
our
officers
to
put
wonderful
programs
together,
that
benefit
the
relationship,
relationships
between
the
community
and
our
police
department,
and
not
only
that,
but
the
people
in
the
class
also
received
legal
kind
of
advice
in
the
event
that
they
they
would
be
arrested.
They
also
received
information
about
how
to
request
information
from
the
City
of
Evanston
a
foia
request,
and
they
also
received
information
about
how
to
file
a
complaint.
B
If
they
ever,
you
know,
have
any
complaint
against
a
police
officer.
So
you
have,
you
know
people
in
uniform
who
are
making
sure
people
are
getting
a
broad
range
of
assistance
and
Aid
when
it
comes
to
how
to
interact
with
the
police
department.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
all
of
the
people
who
participated
and
probably
many
more
officers
whose
names
I'd
not
mentioned
today.
A
It's
fabulous.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
update
and
thanks
to
all
who
made
that
made
that
happen.
Next,
we
go
to
city
managers,
public
announcements,.
F
A
Are
20
people
signed
up
for
public
comments
this
evening,
and
so
everyone
will
be
given.
Everyone
will
be
given
two
minutes
and
15
seconds
for
their
comments
so
again,
215
for
your
comments,
we'll
begin,
as
always,
with
those
who
signed
up
in
person
to
speak
in
person,
beginning
with
Jeffrey
butcher,
followed
by
Carla
Sutton
and
then
Ariana
Flores.
G
For
allowing
me
to
be
here,
my
name
is
Jeffrey
bushar
I
live
at
320
Dempster
Street
in
Evanston,
which
is
across
the
street
from
319
Dempster
I
would
like
to
forewarn
the
new
neighbors
of
what
they
might
experience
in
the
hands
of
hodc
on
March
15
2023
I,
looked
out
on
my
my
front
window
and
saw
three
Cook
County
Sheriff's
Squad
cards
parked
in
front
of
319
Dempster.
One
might
be
alarmed
unless
you
knew
the
history
of
Claridge
Hotel
apartments
in
hodc
in
1973,
I
moved
into
a
house
at
1244,
Forest
Avenue.
G
It
is
the
second
house
south
of
Dempster
on
the
west
side
of
the
street.
It's
about
200
feet
from
319
Dempster.
At
that
time
the
Claridge
was
still
an
SRO.
I
would
often
walk
by
the
building
and
was
told
by
the
tenants
that
they
could
rent
a
furnished
room
by
the
week
a
month
or
for
the
whole
year
the
owner
sold
the
building
in
the
late
1900s,
but
the
new
owner
kept
operating
it
as
an
SRO.
G
During
this
period
there
was
never
any
problem
with
the
tenants
in
the
neighborhood
in
1999
I
bought
the
Daniel
Burnham
design.
Double
house
at
318-320
Dempster
and
began
a
three-year
historic
restoration
of
the
building,
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
exact
date,
but
around
2002
or
2004.
The
cleridge
was
sold
to
the
new
owners,
the
Interfaith
Council.
Their
plan
was
to
rehab
the
SRO
building
into
small
apartments
with
bathrooms
and
kitchenettes,
because
this
building
is
in
an
R1
District.
They
had
to
get
a
variance
in
approval
from
the
neighbors.
G
The
Interfaith
Council
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
to
explain
their
plans.
They
told
us
that
they
wanted
to
provide
low-income
housing.
In
order
to
do
this,
they
would
remodel
the
building
into
44
apartments
and
restore
the
street
facade
to
its
original
design.
When
I
asked,
if
they
would
provide
parking
for
the
tenants
as
per
city
code,
they
said
it
would
not
be
necessary.
Since
the
tenants
were
low
income,
it
wouldn't
have
automobiles.
This
is
not
true.
The
neighbors
were
in
agreement
that
this
project
would
benefit
the
community
and
provide
additional
low-income
housing
in
Evanston.
G
At
some
point,
the
Interfaith
Council
was
replaced
by
hodc
and
then
about
10
years
ago.
There
was
a
change
in
the
interaction
of
the
Claridge
and
the
community.
Now,
on
August
18
2013,
our
neighbor
jokalian,
who
lives
at
1246
Forest
just
across
the
street
from
the
Claridge
wrote
an
email
to
Melissa
Nguyen.
She
complained
about
the
nuisance
created
by
the
large
number
of
emergency
vehicles
sent
to
the
building
and
I
will
follow
this
up.
I
guess
I
can
send
you
an
email
of
all
this
okay,
because
I.
F
A
H
Good
evening
mayor
this
Clerk
of
Mendoza
and
the
alderman
I'm
Carla
Sutton,
a
Fifth
Ward
residence
and
a
taxpayer
at
the
same
address
over
73
years
as
a
stakeholder
I
am
opposed
to
these
proposed
ordinance
that
you
are
considering
tonight.
H
H
You
have
allowed
a
carpetbagger
to
adversely
affect
my
community
one,
you
don't
care
as
long
as
affordable
housing
is
concentrated
in
Wards
two
and
five
two,
you
don't
care
that
the
procedures
of
notification
and
the
variances
that
you
are
about
to
apply
would
not
be
allowed
in
your
Awards.
You
deny
hodc's
proposal
for
utilizing
a
golf
cart
path
in
ward
6,
but
you
vote
to
approve
over
14,
variances
and
building
on
contaminated
soil,
which
is
Zone
commercial.
H
In
conclusion,
I
will
not
commend
you
for
your
double
standard
practices.
Redlining
marginalization
that
you
are
imposing
upon
me
and
my
community.
You
don't
represent
all
Evanston
residents
accordingly,
but
I
do
recognize
that
you
at
least
respect
and
your
represent
your
own
constituents.
Unfortunately,
we
do
not
have
this
opportunity
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
A
K
Good
evening,
everyone
it's
been
almost
two
months
since
I
first
spoke
regarding
this
proposal
and
to
this
day
I
have
yet
a
few
questions
to
be
answered.
Is
this
building
really
for
the
Evanston
Community?
If
priority
cannot
be
given
to
evanstonians
funding
for
building
of
the
church?
Where
is
it
coming
from?
K
It
is
being
designed
to
be
grandiose,
shiny,
new
building
and
presented
like
the
Crown's
Jewel.
This
jewel
is
meant
to
serve
200
plus
parishioners
that
have
not
existed
in
the
last
14
years,
I've
lived
around
there,
the
decontamination
of
the
land,
it's
supposed
to
sit
on
it's
too
expensive
for
even
the
city
to
take
on.
How
is
a
small
Church
Pastor
going
to
afford
that
important
aspect
which,
in
my
research,
the
low
end
cost,
is
about
a
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars?
K
K
Is
the
city
gifting
money
to
the
pastor
for
his
church
or
his
Northwestern
University
reaching
this
far
as
well?
The
proposed
church
building
comes
with
a
lot
of
Northwestern
inspired
features
I'm
a
woman
of
Faith.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
Jesus
moved
crowds
and
transformed
lives
from
a
Hilltop.
He
did
not
need
a
shiny
building.
What
makes
the
pastor
of
Mount
piscott
more
special
than
Jesus
himself
or
any
other
pastor
of
the
six
churches
within
that
two
block
radius.
Can
these
pastors
expect
money
for
shiny
new
buildings
as
well?
K
If
the
hope
is
to
reach
people
and
change
lives
through
love,
compassion
and
community
and
get
them
closer
to
Christ,
then
it
has
failed
before
it's
even
built
redlining.
You
negate
this
practice,
yet
you
deny
the
easement
through
the
golf
course
in
the
Seventh
Ward,
without
less
people
coming
forward
to
speak
their
concerns.
K
The
seventh
fourth
has
the
least
affordable
housing.
This
would
have
been
the
perfect
opportunity
to
spread
the
wealth
and
to
prove
us
wrong
and
deny
that
redlining
that
is
not
being
posed
on
the
Fifth
Ward.
The
wealth
still
goes
to
the
wealthy,
as
well
as
the
power.
Where
are
those
people
from
these
words
that
say,
affordable
housing
is
in
crisis
and
that
families
in
need
must
be
helped.
K
Building
for
that
matter,
I
have
to
add
that
just
the
other
day,
she
was
confronted
by
my
husband
and
another
neighbor
for
gutting
her
car
down
the
alley
behind
the
lot
where
my
kid
and
neighbors
were
playing.
This
is
exactly
our
concern.
People
coming
out
of
that
Alleyway
without
regards
to
safety.
K
I
hope
that
if
you
approve
this
building,
you
continue
to
send
her
with
the
same
scrutiny
that
you
are
doing
now
and
that
Richard
kinnick
and
mount
piscos
Pastor
Gad
violation,
notices
for
every
insignificant
thing
she
can
think
of
and
that
she
tells
us
about
it.
Just
like
she
divulges
information
about
one
neighbor's
violation
to
another
neighbor
great
practices,
City
of
Evanston.
K
D
K
D
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
a
Level,
Playing
Field
for
everyone
and
I
know
that
the
speaker
before
seated
their
time
but
rule
6.2,
does
not
allowed
allow
speakers
to
seed
time.
Everyone
has
the
same
amount
of
time.
A
I
apologize
I
was
unaware
of
that.
Thank
you.
Yeah
no
I've
obviously
been
violating
that
rule.
My
whole
time
as
mayor,
but
I
will
confess
that
that
was
that
was
inadvertent
and
I
regret
that
the
next
speaker
is
this
again.
This
kind
of
three
person
team
of
Aiden
Flores,
Tatiana,
Chambers
and
Demi
Cooper,
who
will
be
followed
by
Sophia
Chan
and
then
Anna
dalit.
L
L
M
Imagine
being
in
high
school
and
being
able
to
just
walk
across
the
street
to
grab
a
drink,
a
snack,
a
new
book
or
some
crafts
imagine
being
an
elder,
was
somewhere
to
learn
new
technology
and
take
yoga
classes.
Imagine
walking
down
your
neighborhood
with
your
family
and
not
having
to
travel
far
to
get
a
pastry,
a
juice
or
even
items
for
a
school
project.
All
of
this,
in
just
one
corner,
could
serve
and
help
this
community
Prosper,
like
the
many
other
communities
in
Evanston.
N
So
imagine
a
three-story
building.
On
top.
On
the
first
floor,
there
will
be
a
coffee
shop,
a
bakery,
a
juice
bar,
an
arts
and
crafts
store
and
a
bookstore.
On
the
second
floor,
there
will
be
a
dance
studio
and
yoga
place
for
all
ages
and,
finally,
on
the
third
floor,
a
space
for
the
elderly
to
learn
technology
and
a
resource
center
for
high
schoolers
transitioning
into
college
and
a
common
room
for
events.
N
This
will
include
parking
and
a
shared
Courtyard
for
the
stores.
This
will
bring
jobs,
resources
and
revenue,
which
the
fifth
word
Lacks.
We
ask
vote
no
to
the
project.
We
want
what
other
communities
have,
and
that
is
a
space
so
that
our
neighborhood
for
once
could
prosper
and
families
can
enjoy.
Thank
you.
A
O
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
Sophia
Chang
and
I'm,
an
undergraduate
student
at
Northwestern
University
that
currently
lives
on
campus
I'm.
Here,
alongside
my
peer
anadela
today,
on
behalf
of
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing
and
their
initiatives
for
increased
affordable
housing
in
Evanston,
we
would
like
to
offer
our
support
for
the
hodc,
affordable
housing
development
before
Anna
introduces
herself
and
expands
upon
our
personal
stake
in
affordable
housing
in
Evanston.
I
would
like
to
recognize
our
personality
and
the
perception
of
Northwestern
students
in
relation
to
the
Evanston
Community.
O
For
many
of
us,
our
Stan
Evanson
is
temporary.
However,
this
does
not
diminish
Our
obligation
to
Evanston
as
community
members
as
Northwestern
student.
Our
role
in
these
Community
dialogues
is
unique
and
is
predicated
on
acknowledging
northwestern's
history
and
position
as
an
institution
in
Evanston.
Northwestern
holds
a
responsibility
to
Advocate
and
support
Equitable
policies
and
change
within
the
Evanston
community.
That
includes
the
right
to
Affordable
and
adequate
housing
that
is
secure
and
safe.
We
care
fundamentally
about
affordable
housing
as
a
right
and
recognize
the
complicated
history
of
housing
in
the
United
States.
O
A
P
Good
evening,
council
members,
thank
you
Sophia
for
the
introduction
and
for
acknowledging
our
positionality.
My
name
is
Anna
and
I
am
currently
living
on
campus
at
Northwestern,
but
will
be
a
renter
in
the
fall.
Affordable.
Housing
is
an
issue
that
directly
impacts
the
student
body.
There
is
a
false
perception
that
all
students
at
Northwestern
are
financially
secure
and
comfortable
enough
to
afford
the
pricing
of
housing
surrounding
campus.
P
Many
students
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
and
we
feel
that
affordable
housing
is
necessary
to
satiate
the
needs
for
both
the
long-term
and
Northwestern
community
in
our
work
effort
to
push
affordable
housing,
we
hope
the
passage
and
construction
of
this
building
will
both
Inspire
and
put
pressure
on
Northwestern
to
follow
suit
and
support
its
students
and
the
Evanston
community
and
prioritize
the
creation
of
affordable
housing
and
take
accountability
for
its
involvement
in
the
crisis
as
an
anchor
institution.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Q
This
is
how
they
keep
the
medium
income
in
the
Fifth
Ward,
low
property
values
Low
by
putting
poverty
on
top
of
poverty,
land
availability,
Evanston
buys
outhouses
and
tears
them
down
in
the
Fifth
Ward
to
build
more
affordable
housing
buildings
leading
to
a
lot
of
empty
lands,
but
there's
a
land
right
right
here
right
by
the
parking
lot.
You
own
turn
that
into
an
affordable
housing
building.
Q
If
you
want
more
land
driving
up
Ridge
going
towards
Howard,
there
are
three
parts
within
walking
distance
from
each
other
two
blocks
from
each
other,
also
owned
by
the
City
of
Evanston.
One
of
these
Parks
they're
talking
about
turning
into
a
dog
park,
I
thought
we
had
an
affordable
housing
crisis.
So
why
don't
you
turn
any
of
these
examples
into
a
big,
affordable,
housing
building
or
better,
yet
give
it
to
Richard
to
build
his
building?
Q
If
we
have
such
an
affordable
housing
crisis,
why
isn't
718
Main,
Street
and
120
unit
5
story,
building
all
affordable
housing?
Only
12
of
these
students
are
affordable.
That
doesn't
sound
like
a
crisis
to
me.
Not
too
long
ago,
these
same
council
members
shot
down
a
proposal
of
affordable
housing
in
the
Seventh
Ward.
They
were
asked
for
an
easement
through
the
10th
hole
of
the
golf
course,
and
they
said
no
fewer
people
showed
up
against
it
and
it
was
shut
down
what
happened
to
the
affordable
housing
housing
crisis.
Q
Then,
where
was
connection
for
the
homeless,
then,
where
were
all
of
you
to
the
man
affordable
housing?
Then
this
council
member
has
been
in
office
since
2015
and
has
about
10
units
of
affordable
housing
in
her
Ward.
Now
we
know
why
that
is.
Affordable
housing
seems
to
be
okay
with
you
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
Just
not
in
yours.
You
come
into
a
low
income,
primarily
black
and
brown
neighborhood,
and
sell
us
the
story
of
affordable
housing
crisis,
a
crisis
you
don't
believe
in
this-
has
a
name
modernized
redlining.
Q
When
I
asked
Bobby.
What
do
you
guys
Bobby?
Have
you
guys
heard
back
about
prioritizing
Evanston
residents?
He
said
no,
they
put
the
request
in
him
back
in
2021
two
years
later,
two
years
later,
we're
still
waiting.
How
is
319
Dentistry
with
288
complaints
in
the
last
two
years
and
has
been
a
troubled
building
since
2005,
not
a
problem
building
Bobby
each
of
you
got
the
police
calls
report
right
in
front
of
you
also
an
article
from
2015
written
by
Evanston.
Q
Now
regarding
319
Dempster
Street
wrapping
up
the
church
is
oversized
with
about
six
to
eight
churches
in
the
immediate
Park
area.
It's
a
church
for
200
members
really
necessary,
but
no
parking.
His
current
church
needs
repairs.
How
is
he
going
to
manage
this?
He
has
said
he
has
no
money
to
build
the
church
and
no
money
to
buy
the
land.
How
is
he
going
pay?
How
is
he
going
to
pay
for
the
decontamination
of
the
dirt
that
the
city
claims
is
too
expensive?
The
church
on.
A
Q
Q
R
Discuss
two
words:
non-for-profit
and
affordable
housing:
two
scam
words
FBI
attorney
general-
is
warning
us
that
when
you
hear
the
words
non-for-profit
or
affordable,
then
we
look
deeper
into
it.
Hodc
is
coming
and
asking
for
five
million
dollars
of
taxpayers.
Money
4
million
from
Evanston
million
dollar
lot.
Has
anyone
seen
their
financial
disclosure?
They
just
come
and
ask
for
money,
and
here
in
City
of
Evanston
here,
take
it
take
it
he's
not
asking
for
one
dollar
of
the
money
in
Wilmette.
R
R
So
why
are
we
giving
this
money
to
the
corporation
that
we
don't
know
what
they're
doing
with
this
money?
Are
they
funding
strip
club
in
Las
Vegas?
What
are
they
doing
with
this
money?
They
have
500
units
paid
by
taxpayers
three
times
over
what
the
value
is
and
and
they're
taking
approximately.
We
don't
know
about
five
million
dollars
in
income.
Did
they
create
a
single
condo
for
people
to
have
an
affordable
condo
to
purchase?
Did
they
create
a
single,
affordable
unit,
none
zero,
it's
a
scam
and,
and
and
it's
grotesque
it
is
truly
truly
grotesque.
R
Bobby
your
job
should
have
been
to
come
to
us.
Your
job
should
have
been
to
bring
the
police
reports.
Your
job
should
have
been
to
sit
with
us.
We
are
all
for
affordable
housing.
This
is
not
affordable,
housing.
Another
major
issue,
they're
taking
Section
8
section
8
pays
full
market
rate
rents
what's
affordable
about
that
with
their
vouchers
they
can
go
anywhere.
They
can
go
by
the
lake
and
rent
they're
also
are
finding
out
that
this
is
Supportive
Housing.
S
Good
evening,
everyone
I
hope
everyone
had
a
great
Easter
weekend,
those
who
celebrate
and
hope
everyone
is
having
a
happy
Passover.
Those
who
celebrate
that
congratulations
to
Chrissy
and
Juan
for
their
election
as
council
members
for
another
two
years.
I
was
very
surprised
at
all.
The
emails
text
message,
letters
and
emails
from
mayor
biss
I
was
not
expecting
all
of
that
from
a
current
mayor.
S
Nor
do
I
think
that
this
is
a
proper
way
to
conduct
conduct
a
campaign
back
to
my
questions
from
last
Council
last
council
meeting
two
weeks
ago
about
General
obligation,
bonds
and
asked
not
to
allow
the
approximately
22
million
in
general
obligation
bonds
to
be
passed
tonight.
We
have
a3a4a5
A6,
A7
and
A8
to
be
used
for
additional
General
obligation
bonds
for
a
total
of
approximately
four
million
dollars
added
to
the
22
million
from
two
weeks
ago.
That's
26
million.
We
already
owe
a
hundred
million
over
100
million
in
general
obligation
bonds.
S
Last
year
we
paid
about
15
million
in
principle
and
interest.
Do
you
know
that's
about
1.2
million
per
month?
When
you
add
approximately
26
million
from
two
weeks
ago?
And
tonight
we'll
add
approximately
300
000
per
month
to
our
principal
and
interest
payments
totaling,
approximately
one
and
a
half
million
per
month
in
general
obligation,
Bond
payments.
S
Also
please
check
A14,
which
says
7
800
per
month.
You
propose
the
payment
to
be
5600
per
month.
The
total
is
68
000,
not
7,
800
per
month
for
a
total
of
ninety
three
thousand,
an
a15
expressing
the
commitment
to
create
a
new
park.
S
Where
would
the
park
be
located
and
what
would
that
cost
shouldn't?
This
be
decided
both
of
those
things
be
decided
before
you
vote
on
it
tonight.
S
A
T
I'm
Sue
lollbach
with
connections
for
the
homeless
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing
fully
supports
this
development
proposed
by
hodc
We
Believe
very
strongly
that
renters
are
full
stakeholders
in
the
community
and
that
they
deserve
housing
that
they
can
afford.
T
We
also
believe
that
affordable
housing
is
not
a
way
to
preserve
redlining
or
a
way
to
keep
communities
disinvested,
but
it's
actually
a
way
to
relieve
poverty
and
allow
families
that
are
currently
struggling
to
have
enough
money
left
over
to
meet
their
basic
needs
and
have
the
potential
to
thrive.
So
we
hope
that
you
will
approve
this
development
tonight
and
thank
you.
I
Hello,
everybody
first
of
all,
I
want
to
mention
that
there
were
five
people
killed
in
Louisville
today
and
nine
people
injured.
So
if
we
can
put
everything
in
context
that
would
be
really
nice
speaking
of
death
in
my
building
319
Dempster,
there
were
three
suicides
in
the
last
year
or
two.
I
There
was
a
point
where
I
was
in
a
locked
Ward
for
four
days,
because
I
would
have
been
the
fourth
that
is
because
of
my
experience
in
319
dumpster
and
the
incompetence
and
possible
criminality
of
Richard
Koenig
and
the
lie
that
connections
for
the
homeless
is
telling
that
they're
such
a
wonderful
organization,
because
they're
responsible
for
the
sheer
hell
I've
been
in
for
15
years,
I'd,
also
like
to
thank
Chris
Meeks,
a
very
nice
woman
named
noelita,
who
used
to
do
cleaning
in
the
building,
James
and
Robin
of
maintenance,
who
all
of
whom
made
me
help
me
survive
two
or
three
catastrophes,
namely
fire
and
flood,
which
rendered
half
the
building
homeless.
I
I
I
A
So
that
concludes
those
who
signed
up
in
person
to
speak
in
person.
Now
we
go
to
those
who
signed
up
I
got
you
I
got
you.
Now
we
go
to
those
who
signed
up
online
to
speak
in
person,
beginning
with
Bonnie
Wilson,
who
will
be
followed
by
Delisa
Williams
and
then
Charlotte
kurzuel.
F
F
U
A
prospective
tenant,
who
is
making
less
than
forty
thousand
a
year,
cannot
live
in
Evanston.
Now,
however,
after
this
development
is
built,
they
would
be
able
to
afford
to
live
here.
A
few
years
ago,
at
a
housing
steering
committee,
the
committee
members
were
complaining
when
they
interviewed
retail
clerks
writers,
teacher
aides,
who
worked
in
Evanston
that
they
told
the
committee
they
could
not
afford
to
live
in
Evanston
because
of
the
high
rent
with
the
Dodge.
U
Because
of
this
development,
there
will
be
new,
affordable
housing
opportunities
in
Evanston
that
is
not
now
available.
Plus
it
will
make
my
job
in
Evanston
a
lot
easier
for
my
future
tenant
clients.
In
fact,
today
I
received
a
call
from
a
tenant
who
is
living
at
Hinman
and
Lee.
Their
building
was
just
sold
to
a
new
owner
and
they
can
no
longer
live
in
the
building
because
the
rent
is
being
raised
more
than
two
hundred
dollars
a
month.
U
So
what
are
you
waiting
for?
Council
Members,
please
vote
Yes
for
this
wonderful
opportunity
to
have
everyone
who
works
in
Evanston
be
able
to
live
in
Evanston
when
this
development
at
church
Enduro
is
built.
Thank
you.
I've
got
12
more
minutes.
I
just
want
to
say,
I've
been
working
on
affordable
housing
for
over
15
years
in
Evanston
I'm,
also
one
of
the
founding
members
of
the
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing.
Thank
you.
A
A
V
V
For
okay,
Haley
guy
and
I'm
Crosby
theater
LLC
holder
joining
the
property
development,
that's
on
your
agenda
today
for
a
vote
items
P3
and
P4,
and
I'd
like
to
urge
the
city
council
to
wait
to
vote
on
this
hodc
and
Mount
Pisgah
project
until
it
has
been
given
the
proper
attention.
It's
due
review,
Etc
relating
to
the
land
swap
issues
the
division
of
the
lots
and
the
the
funding
decision
of
four
million
dollars
in
funding.
V
The
record
should
reflect
that
procedural
errors
have
brought
us
to
where
we
are
today
for
this
particular
vote.
These
ordinances
are
advancing
an
agenda
at
the
expense
of
a
legal
stakeholder
holder
adjoining
the
property
that
has
relied
on
the
zoning
code
as
it's
written
today
and
followed
it,
and
now
this
project
is
going
forward
in
a
way
that
does
not
follow
the
zoning,
ordinance
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
the
record
needs
to
reflect
here
before
you
vote
yes
or
decide
how
you
choose
to
vote.
V
V
Here
are
some
facts
we'd
like
to
remind
the
council
number
of
Council
of
hodc
currently
has
three
property
managers
and
nine
maintenance
staff
over
400
existing
units
hodc
has
requested
but
not
been
granted
a
unit
in
the
proposed
building
to
be
set
aside
for
eyes
and
ears
in
the
building.
Again,
this
has
not
been
approved.
V
X
W
W
Many
who
receive
services
from
connections
for
the
homeless,
from
the
federal
government
and
from
a
variety
of
other
social
agencies
and
I,
know
what
it's
like
to
be
responsive
to
people
who
are
struggling
and
to
people
who
don't
have
a
lot
of
opportunities
or
a
lot
of
places
to
turn
and
so
I
understand
when
there's
a
problem
in
the
building,
when
someone
is
dealing
with
substance,
abuse
or
dealing
with
gambling
issues
or
not
being
able
to
pay
rent
or
a
variety
of
other
Social
Challenges,
and
we
try
to
treat
everyone
with
compassion
and
respect
and
I
believe
that
the
majority
of
landlords
and
likely
hodc
and
other
organizations
are
doing
important
work,
not
just
to
make
a
profit
I'm
a
for-profit
organization.
W
But
a
lot
of
our
work
is
to
to
treat
people
with
respect
and
and
to
have
affordable
housing
for
them.
I
believe
that
this
project
will
look
amazing,
I
think
it'll
be
get
rid
of
the
blight.
That's
been
on
that
corner
for
decades
and
I.
Look
at
other
similar
projects
that
have
occurred
in
Evanston
and
I.
Read
the
crime
report
every
single
day
and
anecdotally.
I'm
aware
that
some
building,
some
that
were
mentioned
here,
have
more
challenges
than
others,
but
the
federally
subsidized
organizations,
housing
and
some
privately
privately
owned.
W
W
So
I
feel
like
this
project,
with
all
its
good
intentions
can
be
managed
properly.
There's
a
great
Council
and
a
great
group
of
people
in
the
of
community
members
and
in
our
government
that
will
work
to
hold
landlords
accountable
and
also
to
hold
the
tenants
accountable
and
to
help
the
tenants
when
they
need
help,
so
that
it
can
be
a
success
so
I'm
in
support
of
this
project
and
I'm
thankful
for
the
opportunity
to
give
my
opinion.
Thank
you.
A
Y
Y
Okay,
fantastic
good
evening,
mayor
and
city
council
members
and
Clark
Mendoza.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
I
want
to
start
by
just
saying:
congratulations
to
the
second
and
Ninth
Ward
Alderman.
You
are
a
prime
example
of
when
the
people
speak
of
what
it
means.
So
I'm
just
really
excited
for
you
and
know
that
you're
going
to
continue
to
do
great
jobs.
I
really
came
tonight
to
offer
my
support
again
for
the
church,
Dodge
Daryl
project.
I
am
amazed
when
I
hear
people
who
live
in
the
Fifth,
Ward
and
I
must
say.
Y
Most
of
them
are
probably
Johnny
come
lately
since
I've
been
here
over
three
over
83
years
and
I
certainly
didn't
know
any
of
them
or
see
any
of
them
at
in
our
award
meetings
or
other
community
meetings.
However,
I
want
to
say
to
them:
I,
don't
understand
how
you
can
come
and
live
in
a
community
and
Delight
it
like
you
all
are
doing
it
just
amazes
me
that
you
have
such
a
little
respect
for
where
you
live.
Y
I
also
want
to
say
to
the
council
tonight,
18
years
ago,
almost
18
years
ago
would
be
18
years
in
June.
Y
After
before
the
set
at
where
councilman
burns
the
city
now
to
ask
for
a
development
at
church
in
Daryl,
we
lost
by
one
vote
to
get
it
and
before
that
it
had
been
vacant
for
decades
and
he
continues
to
be
vacant.
I.
Don't
know
why
you
all
can't
see
the
value
of
having
something
really
productive
at
that
corner,
and
we
cannot
tell
the
Church
of
Elder
Wilson
and
his
church
members
what
they
can
do
with
their
property
they're,
not
the
city's,
not
giving
them
any
property.
Y
It
would
be
a
switch
if
there
was
property
exchange.
So
I
think
you
need
to
understand
what
you're
saying
and
just
the
facts
clear.
So
city,
council,
I'm,
saying
to
you
tonight,
is
a
chance
for
you
all
a
second
chance
for
you
to
rectify
a
mistake
that
was
made
18
years
ago
and
really
go
ahead
and
okay.
This
proposal.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Z
Good
evening,
everyone
mayor
city,
council,
city
clerk,
everyone
in
the
audience
everyone
giving
their
own
opinions
about
things
and
that's
a
good
thing,
whether
one
agrees
or
not,
respect
is
still
something
that
at
least
I'd
learned,
growing
up
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
did
too
and
I
wish.
Today,
we,
you
know,
did
more
of
that.
I
am
in
support
of
this
project,
affordable
housing.
When
we
build
buildings
here,
I
guess
a
percentage
sometimes
is
required
of
the
developer.
Z
Plans
for
a
Fifth,
Ward,
Church
expansion
and
affordable
housing
development
at
the
corner
of
church
in
general
will
enhance
the
Fifth
Ward.
The
corner
of
Church
Street
in
jail
is
one
of
the
gateways
into
Evanston
will
offer
affordable
housing
in
a
newly
constructed
33-unit
building,
affordable
housing
project
next
door
to
an
expanded,
Mount
Pisgah.
For
years.
This
section
of
town,
in
my
opinion,
has
needed
attention
and
it
hasn't
gotten.
It
I'm
told
too
that
if
this
wasn't
enough,
there
are
300
houseless,
District,
65
families
living
in
and
around
the
Evanston
Community.
Z
Z
That's
33
units
of
affordable
housing
and
we
will
then
start
working
on
the
next
project
that
will
be
available
someplace
in
Evanston,
where
there
is
a
a
lot
and
as
I
said
my
last
time,
I
talked,
we
don't
have
land,
that's
one
of
the
problems
here,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
land,
so
thanks
for
listening
and
I
just
really
do
support
this
this
project.
Thank
you.
A
AA
Good
evening
I'm
calling
in
by
phone-
hopefully
you
can
hear
me
clearly
I-
want
to
finish
my
comments
that
I
was
making
at
apnw
just
a
commentary
on
the
past
election,
which
I
feel
is,
is
kind
of
a
new
evolution
of
how
campaigning
is
appears
to
be
going
in
Evanston.
It
was
heavy-handed
I
think
everyone
has
to
admit
that
it
was
heavy-handed,
or
you
know
the
mayor,
excavators
ex-aldermen,
an
alderman
who's.
Now,
a
a
prominent.
AA
Has
the
prominent
position
at
Northwest
University
speaker
a
a
a
director
on
the
board
of
directors
at
the
Evenson
Roundtable
out
there
campaigning
donating
money.
You
know
it
really
puts
a
Bad
spin,
I.
Think
on,
and
people
see
this
and
a
lot
of
people
I've
spoken
to
have
seen.
This
have
made
similar
statements
to
me.
It's
just
unfortunate
I
think
that
there's
so
much
thumbs
on
the
on
the
on
the
voting
scales
going
forward.
AA
Hopefully
that
will
not
happen
again,
but
what
concerns
me
is
that
the
aldermen
or
the
council
members
that
were
elected
under
those
circumstances-
it's
really
not
the
voice
of
the
people
at
the
previous
speaker
just
said,
but
it's
it's
a
currency
of
sorts
that
makes
those
council
members
beholden
to
the
mayor
and
his
agenda,
beholden
to
Northwestern
and
their
agenda.
AA
Come
you
know
this
new
stadium,
part-time
Stadium,
I,
should
say
full-time
performance
venue,
so
I
I'm
just
very
concerned
at
what
took
place,
how
it
took
place
and
it
should
not
be
applauded
as
as
a
stroke
of
democracy,
I
think
we
actually
undermined
democracy
in.
AA
A
AB
Good
evening,
I
hope
that
everyone
at
the
city
council
is
able
to
review
the
document
that
I
sent
to
you
all,
which
was
an
analysis
of
the
redistricting
in
Evanston.
The
redistricting
committee
currently
is
only
proposing
one
map.
AB
You
should
allow
for
a
full
community
outreach
program
to
have
comments
on
the
board
map,
and
you
should
have
more
than
one
word
map
also
I
want
you
to
be
aware
that
the
one
map
that
is
going
to
be
discussed
tonight
was
drawn
primarily
by
one
council
member,
and
then
it
was
minimally
altered
to
reflect
an
additional
map
that
a
council
member
Drew,
a
third
map
at
the
redistricting
committee,
was
proposed,
but
after
maybe
less
than
five
minutes
of
discussion,
it
was
summarily
dismissed
and
never
talked
about
again.
AB
So
please
take
all
this
into
account.
I
know
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
final
action
tonight,
but
I
think
this
is
putting
these
cart
before
the
horse.
You
should
go
out
to
the
public
and
ask
for
it
can
their
input
on
this
proposed
map
before
coming
to
the
full
Council.
Thank
you.
A
AC
AC
That
was
something
that
people
really
wanted
and
I
think
it's
critical,
critical,
critical
to
listen
to
all
the
residents.
So
people
are
speaking
against
it.
They
should
their
their
voices
should
not
be
finished.
There
are
neighborhoods
and
if
we
don't
fail,
you
our
neighborhoods,
what
the
heck
are
we
doing
here
in
Evanston,
so
I
think
you
know
the
other
thing
that
someone
brought
up
tonight,
which
I
wasn't
aware
of
is
I.
It
really
is
important
to
have
a
understanding
of.
Is
it
supportive
or
is
it
affordable?
AC
And
the
other
discussion
item
is
that
in
in
Evanston
our
Ami
for
white
versus
non-white?
Is
it
there's
a
huge
gap
there?
So
who
is
this
really
for
and
we've
heard
cases
of
people
on
both
sides
say
it,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
discussion
before
this
gets
passed.
Second
of
all,
I
think
that
the
bonds
there's
something
on
A4
to
pay
potentially
pass
more
bonds
and
I
think
our
city
needs
a
forensic
audit.
AC
AC
A
AD
AD
Somebody
directed
my
attention
to
the
recommendation
that
the
farmers
market
be
moved
to
Fountain
Square,
which
I
think
is
a
terrible
idea.
So
I
wanted
to
express
my
three
concerns
about
that.
First
of
all,
I'm
worried
that
moving
the
farmers
market
to
Fountain
Square
would
ruin
the
market.
The
real
differentiator
of
the
Evanston
Farmers
Market,
which
I
have
which
I
have
shopped
at
for
30
years,
that
I've
lived
in
Evanston
and
I
work
for
one
of
the
farmers.
AD
Now
I've
worked
for
him
for
12
years,
so
I'm
there
every
Saturday
morning
at
four
three
four
Thirty
in
the
morning,
setting
up
and
selling
his
wears
all
all
day
long
is
that
it's
going
to
ruin
the
market.
These
are
real
Farmers.
They
are
organic
farmers.
What's
attracting
people
from
all
over
the
city
and
all
over
the
suburbs
is
that
this
this
Market
is
unique
and
that
and
what
what
really
makes
it
special
is
the
quality
and
the
kinds
of
farmers
that
it
attracts.
AD
If
it's
in
Fountain
Square
we're
going
to
lose
those
Farmers,
they
don't
have
the
space,
they
don't
have
the
capacity
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
handle
the
customers
that
are
coming
to
buy
our
vegetables
and
our
fruits
at
the
market.
My
second
concern
is
that
the
recommendation
seems
to
have
come
without
any
input
or
consultation
with
the
people
who
are
involved.
It
didn't
include
any
input
from
the
farmers,
the
workers
like
me,
the
customers
who
are
shopping
there.
AD
It
seems
to
have
come
out
of
some
sort
of
consultant
perspective,
which
then
relates
to
my
third
concern,
which
is
that
the
report,
the
Thrive
report,
I,
haven't
read
the
whole
thing.
I've
only
read
the
farmer's
market
piece
of
it,
but
it
feels
very
dishonest
to
me
when
I
saw
the
report,
I
started
to
try
to
understand
who
was
making
these
recommendations
and
where
it
comes
from,
it
seems
to
it's
presented
as
if
it's
coming
from
the
city.
A
AE
Good
evening,
indict
intentional
neglectful,
deceitful
imprisonment,
criminal
conviction
and
Truth
by
voting.
Yes,
for
these
two
projects
at
church
and
Daryl,
your
actions
are
intentional
neglectful
and
deceitful.
The
neighbors
said
no
and
we
don't
want
it
for
our
crowded
Fifth
Ward
and
you
voted
yes
without
even
seeing
the
revisions
I
hope
through
further
investigation
into
City
officials,
City
SATs
staff
and
developers
that
it
will
result
in
imprisonment,
criminal
conviction
and
the
truth
will
come
out
about
the
lies
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
AE
AE
AE
If
indictment
is
good
enough
for
Donald,
Trump
and
Mike.
Madigan
is
good
enough
for
you,
City
of
Evanston
officials,
black
lives
matter
and
I
hope.
There
is
no
retaliation
for
our
comments.
I
have
already
been
retaliated
against
by
the
City
of
Evanston.
For
my
recent
comments
and
my
past
comments,
perhaps
it's
time.
A
A
AF
AF
Wonderful
first
I
want
to
start
off
I
think
congratulating
my
Council
representative,
Alderman
Chrissy
Harry's,
as
well
as
Juan
Eric.
Harris.
I
also
want
to
thank
all
the
members
of
city
council
who
supported
them
during
their
appointments,
as
well
as
endorse
them
in
elections.
AF
I
couldn't
be
happier
mayor,
members
of
city
council,
with
the
outcome
of
the
results
and
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
second
ward
residents,
but
for
those
that
supported
our
current
representative,
we're
really
glad
that
residents
did
their
homework,
showed
up
ready
to
vote
and
looking
forward
to
being
there
when
she
officially
is
reappointed.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
continue
to
do
the
work
that
you
were
elected
to
do
good
night.
A
Thank
you
very
much
is:
has
Ms
Treadway
re-entered
the
zoom
by
any
chance
in
that
case.
That
concludes
public
comment
for
the
evening.
I
will
say
that
I
have
been
I,
think
rightfully
admonished
by
public
comment
to
have
emitted,
something
pretty
important
in
the
mayor's
announcements.
Congratulations
to
our
two
now
elected
council
members,
council,
member
Harris
and
council
member
headacharis.
It's
been
a
joy
to
work
with
you
since
you
joined
the
council
and
we
know
it'll
be
a
joy
to
work
with
you
during
the
course
of
these
next
two
years.
A
And
that
there
will
be
I
think
perhaps
some
people
are
curious
about
this.
There
will
be,
even
though
this
represents
continuity
in
the
middle
of
the
term.
There
will
be
a
formal
swearing
in
as
soon
as
the
elections
are
certified,
which
we
expect
to
happen
in
one
of
the
two
meetings
in
May.
I
would
guess
the
first
meeting
in
May,
but
we're
just
not
certain
exactly
in
how
the
how
quickly
the
county
clerk
will
certify
the
results.
A
So
we'll
have
more
of
an
opportunity
for
the
two
of
you
to
have
a
day
in
the
Sun.
At
that
point,
will
the
clerk,
please
add,
council
member,
win
to
the
role?
A
D
A
C
Mr
Mayor
I
will
be
presenting
as
chairman
of
the
redistricting
committee
this
evening
and
would
like
to
focus
our
discussion
on
the
proposed
new
Ward
map,
but
before
we
get
there,
I
want
to
share
with
you
our
process
and
some
of
the
thinking
that
has
brought
us
to
this
point.
So
I
will
do
that
by
acknowledging
my
fellow
committee
members,
council,
members
win
Burns
and
Reed.
Thank
you
for
your
participation
in
this
process.
C
C
Looking
back
at
how
we
have
got
to
this
point,
this
work
started
in
December
of
21
when
Council
created
this
committee,
appointing
the
four
of
us
to
do
this
work.
We
met
starting
in
the
spring
of
2022
and
I,
really
kind
of
initiated
the
public
engagement
process
of
this
redistricting
with
two
town
halls
in
July
of
2022.,
one
of
those
Town
Halls,
was
in
English.
One
of
those
Town
Halls
was
in
Spanish,
with
muchas
gracias
to
Senora
clerk
for
helping
with
that
translation.
C
All
of
this
all
of
these
presentations
and
videos
are
on
the
redistricting
website
for
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
take
a
deep
dive
so
moving
forward
from
the
town
halls.
We
then
devoted
the
next
six
or
seven
months
to
a
very
thoughtful
and
coordinated
public
engagement
process
and
what
we
did
is
focused
Ward
by
Ward
at
the
series
of
meetings
over
over
the
months
from
August
into
February
of
2023.
C
Looking
at
each
Ward
individually,
I
will
point
out
that
we
did
not
draft
a
map
until
after
this
public
engagement
process
was
completed.
And
so
then
several
of
the
committee
members
drafted
some
maps
which
were
Works
in
process.
Those
were
presented
to
the
the
committee
at
our
February
28th
meeting
and
we
weren't
sure
at
that
point.
If
we
were
going
to
move
forward
to
tonight
with
one
map
or
two
maps
or
three
Maps.
The
way
it
worked
out.
C
Let's
take
a
minute
to
talk
about
the
legal
requirements
for
redistricting
and
looking
first
at
state
law.
State
law
does
not
actually
require
us
to
redistrict,
our
population
is
78,
000
or
so,
and
it's
been
in
that
70
to
90
000
range
for
the
last
50
or
60
years,
so
state
law
does
not
actually
require
us
to
redistrict.
However,
we
can
read,
District
state
law
does
allow
us
to
redistrict,
for
any
other
reason,
and
as
we're
about
to
see
there's
a
pretty
good
reason.
C
If
we
do
redistrict
state
law
requires
that
the
wards
shall
be
as
nearly
equal
in
population
as
possible.
It
requires
the
wards
to
be
as
Compact
and
as
possible,
and
they
the
wards,
have
to
be
contiguous
territory.
So
these
were
the
guidelines
we
were
operating
under
for
state
law
and
what
really
is
is
moving
Us
in
the
direction
of
redistricting
is
federal
law.
C
This
we're
talking
about
the
Constitution,
the
equal
protection
Clause
of
the
14th
Amendment,
the
Voting
Rights
Act
of
1965
and
and
a
body
of
case
law
which
answers
for
us
or
provides
us
some
pretty
firm
guidelines
on
on
how
equal
is
equal
and
the
case
law
indicates
that
a
total
population
deviation,
which
is
the
difference
between
the
smallest
award
and
the
largest
award.
If
that
deviation
is
less
than
10
percent,
we
can
be
regarded
as
one
person,
one
vote,
compliant
up
to
16.4
percent.
C
Why
that
number
good
question,
but
up
to
16.4
percent,
we
might
be
considered
compliant
if
we
had
a
legitimate
reason
that
could
justify
that
anything
above
16.4
percent
deviation
would
be
regarded
as
unconstitutional
per
the
14th
Amendment
and
we'll
cut
to
the
chase
here,
our
according
to
our
current
map
in
the
2020
population.
Our
current
deviation
is
16.3
percent,
so
fairly
clear
that
I'm
sorry,
our
deviation
is
20.4
percent.
C
It
was
just
under
the
guy
under
the
guidelines
10
years
ago,
so
we
did
not
read
District
then,
but
we
are
clearly
above
the
guidelines
this
time
around.
So
we
talked
about
federal
law.
We
talked
about
state
law.
What
is
Evanston
city
code
have
to
say
about
this.
Evanston
city
code
specifies
that
we
have
nine
Wards
but
offers
no
additional
guidance
into
how
to
draw
the
map
or
how
to
balance
the
population
past
practice.
C
Based
on
the
research
that
this
committee
did
into
10
years
ago,
20
years
ago,
30
years
ago,
you
know
indicates
that
we
have
taken
additional
criteria
into
account
and,
as
a
point
of
reference,
we
looked
at
the
ordinance
from
20
from
2003,
which
was
the
last
time
we
redistricted
that
ordinance
specifically
called
that
the
federal
and
state
guidelines
that
we've
gone
over
and
then
enumerated
a
number
of
local
conditions
to
take
into
account
natural
geographic
boundaries,
man-made
Geographic
boundaries,
minimization
of
voter
confusion,
consideration
of
communities
of
Interest,
traditional
Evanston,
neighborhoods
and
in
full
disclosure.
C
The
ordinance
from
2003
did
list
protection
protection
of
incumbency
as
one
of
the
factors,
so
this
was
kind
of
our
starting
point
as
we
went
into
this
process.
We're
not
limited
to
these
these
criteria,
but
this
was
the
way
to
start
our
thinking.
So
here
is
our
current
map
and,
like
I
just
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
Our
current
deviation
is
20.4
percent.
So
very
clearly
federal
guidelines
are
indicating
that
we
should
be
redistricting.
C
This
current
map
dates
back
to
2003.
It
was
drawn
after
the
2000
census
and
we
did
not
read
District
after
the
2010
census,
because
our
I
wasn't
on
the
council,
then
I
can't
speak
for
for
the
thinking
of
the
time,
but
the
deviation
in
2010
was
16.3,
so
we
were
just
barely
under
the
wire
but
fairly
clear
that
we
do
have
to
redistrict
based
on
the
2020
census.
C
So
just
for
the
the
record,
these
are
the
demographics
of
the
current
map
with
the
2020
Census
Data
I
won't
read
through
this
chart,
but
this
does
show
that
we
have
three
Wards
Wards,
two
five
and
and
eight
that
are
majority
non-white,
so
committee
findings.
To
date,
we
agreed
early
on
in
this
process
that
we
do
need
to
redistrict.
It's
federal
guidelines
are
fairly
clear,
so
we
have
a
as
a
committee
confirmed
our
intent
to
redistrict.
C
We
have
also
confirmed
the
importance
of
having
at
least
three
majority
non-white
Wards,
which
we
have
now
under
the
current
map,
and
we
would
like
to
continue
doing
that
with
whatever
new
map
we
do
end
up
approving.
We
have
also
confirmed
an
intent,
an
intent
or
desire
to
have
downtown
Evanston,
represented
by
multiple
wards.
That
was
an
issue
in
previous
redistricting
processes.
Downtown
Evanston
is
currently
represented
by
three
Wards
and
it's
our
intent
in
this
process
to
continue
having
downtown
represented
by
Mount
by
multiple
council
members.
C
This
fourth
bullet
is,
is
maybe
the
most
interesting
one.
We
decided
to
pursue
an
incremental
approach
here.
We
we
talked
about
throwing
the
whole
map
out
and
starting
over
with
a
blank
sheet
of
paper,
but
we
decided
to
get
as
close
as
we
can
to
Min
to
equalizing
populations
through
just
a
very
light
touch
approach.
Moving
a
few
blocks
here
and
a
few
blocks
there
from
one
Ward
to
another
to
get
the
populations
to
balance
and
and
pursuing
that
incremental
approach,
which
would
not
impact
which
would
impact
as
few
the
residents
as
possible.
C
Having
said
that,
we're
also
aiming
for
a
minimal
deviation
as
close
to
zero
as
possible,
so
we
can
accommodate
future
population
shifts,
some
of
which
we
have
an
idea
about.
But
you
know
by
the
time
the
2020,
the
2030
census
rolls
around.
Our
new
developments
will
have
occurred
that
are
not
even
in
anybody's
radar
screen
right
now.
C
We
don't
know
what
our
population
is
going
to
be
in
2020
after
2030,
but
if
we
redistrict
and
draw
a
map
with
a
very,
very
low
deviation,
we
can
absorb
some
change
that
will
allow
us
to
continue
after
the
20
30
census,
with
the
current
map.
Should
we
choose
to
do
so
so
the
process
of
public
engagement
over
the
months
and
and
the
deliberations
that
the
committee
have
led
us
to
offer
this
map
as
a
proposed
new
map
and
this
map
will
be
shared,
has
been
shared
with
the
public.
C
It
will
be
open,
I'll
get
in
in
a
few
minutes
to
our
process
moving
forward,
but
you
know
we
will
take
the
next
month
to
receive
public
input
on
this
new
map,
and
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
tonight
is
to
is
to
have
a
council
discussion
on
this
new
map.
So
what
we've
done
here
is,
you
know,
has
achieved
that
low
touch
objective
by
just
moving
a
few
blocks
here
and
a
few
blocks
there.
It's
a
bit
of
a
Tetris
game
or
a
domino
tumble.
C
You
can't
move
one
thing
without
moving
another,
so
it's
not
quite
as
simple
as
you
know,
as
ideally
as
it
could
have
been.
But
what
we've
got
here
is
a
map
that
has
a
total
population
deviation
of
3.5
four
percent.
The
outliers
here
are
the
second
ward,
which
is
1.9
percent
below
average,
and
the
fourth
ward,
which
is
1.5
percent.
Above
average.
We
continue
to
have
three
Awards,
which
are
majority
non-white.
C
We
continue
to
have
downtown
Evanston,
represented
by
multiple
Wards,
the
same
three
that
currently
represent
downtown
Evanston
and
just
as
a
tally
of
you
know,
of
minimizing
voter
impact.
The
number
of
of
residents
that
would
be
shifted
from
one
war
to
another
under
this
map
is
just
over
4
500..
C
So
we'll
I'll
open
the
floor
to
discussion
of
this
map
in
just
a
second
for
the
record.
Here
are
the
demographics.
We
still
maintain
Wards,
two
five
and
eight
as
majority
non-white.
C
Here's
a
glance
of
these
Maps
side
by
side.
It
just
kind
of
emphasize
that
we
have
taken
this.
This
light
touch
approach
our
planned
process
moving
forward
after
the
council
discussion
tonight
is
to
continue
receiving
public
feedback
via
an
online
mechanism
which,
if
it's
not
set
up
now,
will
be
set
up
very
soon
and
then
discuss
public
feedback
at
the
April
committee
meeting,
which
is
scheduled
for
April
25th.
C
We've
allowed
ourselves
another
month
to
take
public
input
into
account
and
do
any
re
remapping
that
that
we
see
fit
and
then
at
the
May
23rd
meeting
of
the
redistricting
committee,
the
intent
is
to
propose
a
final
map
for
formal
recommendation
to
council,
which
would
then
be
approved
by
City
Council
in
June
in
June
or
thereabouts.
So
the
map
we're
looking
at
tonight
is:
let's
call
this
a
draft
map
subject
to
additional
comment.
This
is
not
the
map.
We
are
proposed,
housing
for
formal
approval
tonight
that
will
come
in
a
couple
months.
C
I
will
point
out
that
this
is
almost
as
soon
as
reasonably
can
be
expected.
We
didn't
want
to
rush
through
this
process
prior
to
the
special
election
in
April.
That
would
have
been
really
confusing
to
people,
but
we
wanted
to
get
this
done
sooner
rather
than
later.
State
law
gives
us
a
deadline
of
mid-november
of
2024,
so
we
are
well
ahead
of
the
State,
the
state
guidelines,
question
Mr,
Mayor,
yeah,
yeah
and
on
par
with
with
the
2003
MAP.
C
You
know
three
years
after
the
census
was
when
the
when
the
new
map
was
released.
So
with
that,
I
will
open
the
floor
for
for
discussion
and
questions
and
Mr
Merrell
turned
the
the
chairmanship
back
to
you.
D
Thank
you.
This
is
a
referral
that
I
made,
but
I
can't
imagine
a
better
chairperson
for
for
the
role,
so
thank
you.
Councilmember
nusma,
for
your
truly
impressive
leadership
on
this
I
I
serve
on
the
committee.
I
I
proposed
an
alternative
map.
I
gave
up
that
battle.
I
still
support
somewhat
of
an
alternative
map.
D
I
think
we'll
have
more
time
on
committee
to
have
those
discussions.
I
did
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
maps
that
Carl
Klein
provided
I
I'm,
really
interested
in
looking
at
it.
The
the
thing
that
I
think
was
most
limiting
for
myself
was
the
consensus
that
we
came
to
that
I
wasn't
in
full
agreement
with,
but
it
was
consensus
that
we
make
just
minor,
tweaks
and
I
do
think
there
is
some
room
to
to
make
larger
tweaks,
particularly
and
look
thinking
about
my
ward.
D
They
were
the
award
that
I
represent
the
eighth
Ward,
which
is
it
an
extremely
diverse.
Ward
I
mean
one.
D
It
has
the
city's
largest
black
population,
but
we
also
have
a
very
strong,
pretty
much
half
of
the
ward
that
is
comprised
of
single-family
homes
and
is
not
as
diverse
as
other
parts
of
the
ward,
and
you
know,
I'd
be
and
I'd
be
really
interested
personally
in
seeing
a
ward
that
has
a
stronger
presence
of
renters
and
folks
who,
as
was
mentioned
earlier
in
public
comment,
who
are
just
apart
just
as
a
part
of
the
fabric
of
this
community
as
folks
who
are
homeowners
but
oftentimes,
aren't
either
represented
here
on
this
body,
or
their
issues
aren't
represented
fully
in
counseling.
D
So
that
is,
one
of
my
goals
is
to
would
be
one
of
my
goals
to
increase
the
number
of
renters
in
the
eighth
Ward
to
keep
that
representation
here
on
Council,
where
historically,
it
has
been
lacking.
I
think
this
might
be
the
first
time
we've
had
two
renters
on
the
council
at
the
same
time,
if
not
just
renters
period
in
quite
a
while.
D
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
appreciate
this.
Looking
forward
to
the
continued
discussion
and
feedback
from
our
colleagues.
AG
So
are
we
having
I
know,
you
said
it's
online,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
it
in
person.
Discussion
for
people,
especially
the
people
that
are
now
being
affected,
I,
wonder
if
we
shouldn't
have
it
in
person
two
days
or
something.
C
We
have
a
committee
meeting
which
will
be
in
person,
in
fact,
two
committees,
two
committee
meetings
between
now
and
then
so
anyway.
Yeah
feel
free
to
invite
affected
residents
to
those
committee
meetings.
Okay
and
I've
also
made
myself
available
as
chair
of
the
committee
to
come
to
Ward
meetings
and
present
this
map.
Okay,
so.
AG
I
just
think
we
should
make
a
big
push
to
make
sure
not
just
the
council
members
of
that
Ward
just
that
we
put
it
out
there
because
our
residents
say
they're
not
heard
I
believe
that
they
are
but
I
think
when
looking
at
this
map
and
I'll
pay
close
attention-
and
maybe
I
will
send
emails
to
those
that
the
changes
would
most
definitely
affect,
and
then
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
photo
that
had
the
side
by
side.
Comparison
I
didn't
get
to
take
a
picture.
It's
all
in
our
package.
C
AG
AH
A
AI
Jonathan,
can
you
tell
us
those
dates
of
the
of
there,
so
the
next
two
committee
meetings
are
the
25th
and
the
23rd,
so
those
would
be
April
25th
and
May
23rd
the
opportunity
for
the
public
great
and
can
you
with
regard
to
our
being
above
the
guidelines?
C
C
AD
C
Was
well
below
average,
so
we
will.
We
have
to
look
at
the
at
the
whole
picture
here:
it's
not
just
driven
by
one
or
two
wards.
C
Theoretically,
if
what
you're
suggesting
is
there
were,
if
there
were
a
way
to
move
some
territory
from
the
Third
Ward,
you
know
to
the
ninth
ward:
the
math
would
work
out,
but
we'd
be
you
know
violating
you
know
the
natural
and
man-made
boundary
I,
suppose
man-made
boundary.
AI
I
mean
we
do
that
anywhere
anyway,
in
other
parts.
I'm
just
I
want
to
point
that
out
that
it
could
be
resolved
that
simply
by
moving
some
of
nine
into
the
Third,
we
do
cross
the
tracks
in
other
places.
I
just
but
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Carl
Klein
for
presenting
I
think
those
maps
are
really
worth
looking
at
I
agree
and
I
really
thank
him
for
his
work
on
that.
I
also
want
to
point
out
and
I
know.
AI
We
all
agree
to
this,
but
ideally
really
this
sort
of
a
committee
should
be
a
third
party
right,
I
mean
if
I
know
we
didn't
have
time,
and
this
is
why
we're
doing
it,
but
really
in
principle,
a
redistricting
committee
should
not
be
made
up
of
council
members
right
I
mean,
ideally
isn't
that
considered
best
practice.
A
No
one
is
asking
to
speak
for
first
time,
so
we
go
back
to
council
member
Reed
with
two
and
a
half
minutes
left.
D
Yeah
I
I
want
to
address
two
things
one
just
to
highlight.
It
was
asked
earlier
about
the
calendar
and
I
think
mayor
best
made
a
a
face.
Potentially
I
didn't
see
it,
but
councilman
did
I
think
that
was
about
this,
our
deadline
being
in
mid-november.
My
natural
inclination
would
be
to
think
that
our
deadline
should
be
before
petitioning
starts.
D
I,
don't
know
if
that's
some
fluke
and
state
law,
but
I
think
we're
still
on
track
to
to
do
that.
So
that's
important
two
councilmember
Kelly's
question
about
how
this
should
be
handled.
Moving
forward,
we're
here
now
and
we're
going
to
approve
this
map
or
some
map,
but
I
I
would
co-sponsor
something
that
would
and
I've
mentioned
this
before
at
the
top
of
this
process.
I
do
think
that
a
better
standard
is
that
the
elected
officials
aren't
choosing
who
our
voters
are.
D
A
A
In
the
spirit
of
responding
to
the
last
few
comments,
I'm
myself,
a
long-standing
and
True
Believer
supporter
of
not
having
the
people
who
are
going
to
run
on
a
map
draw
those
Maps,
something
that's
a
extremely
losing
battle.
I
thought
when
I
was
in
Springfield
and
I
will
say
that
I
fought
that
extremely
losing
battle,
because
I
participated
in
a
redistricting
process
as
a
state
legislator
and
I
saw
some
pretty
awful
things
happen,
and
so
for
me
it
wasn't
an
abstract
sort
of
theoretical
thing.
It
was
hey.
A
Here's
a
bunch
of
really
non-public
interested
types
of
decisions
that
elected
officials
could
make
when
drawing
their
own
maps,
and
we
should
ban
that
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
say
that
none
of
that's
going
on
here
that
you've
clearly
gone
through
a
process.
That's
based
on
your
knowledge
of
the
community
and
your
interest
in
drawing
a
map.
It's
consistent
with
the
stated
principles
that
I
think
are
principles
that
the
whole
Community
could
agree
on.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
work.
I
know,
I
know
it's.
It's
not
easy.
A
That
brings
us
to
the
consent
agenda
I'm,
unaware
of
any
items
that
must
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
because
of
failure
to
make
it
out
of
committee.
So
as
long
as
no
one
wants
to
correct
me
on
that
front,
are
there
any
items
that
folks
would
like
to
see
taken
off
the
consent
agenda?
Councilmember,
Keller.
A
A
B
A
AG
Approve
I
move
for
the
approval
of
contact
contract
with
Landmark
Contractors
Inc
for
the
open,
Street
Corridor
Improvement
project
bid,
2309.
A
AI
AI
We
recently
had
a
discussion
which
I
opposed
green
lighting
up
to
17
point
something
million
dollars
in
bonds,
given
our
large
Surplus
that
has
been
revealed
only
recently,
it's
now
grown
even
bigger
to
over
34
million
dollars
last
year.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
be
slowly.
You
know,
anyway,
the
17
million
dollar
Bond
at
this
point,
I
think
there's
no
reason.
I'm
I'm
can
support
this
project
and
say
yes
to
this,
but
I
would
not
support
right
now
approving
a
2.85
2.8
million
dollar
bond.
AI
A
So
you
definitely
have
to
type
it
up.
Is
there
a
second
to
the
amendment
I'm.
AI
I
would
like
to
based
on
that.
We
are
now
going
to
be
discussing
an
ever-growing
Surplus
which
went
from
7
to
14
to
now
to
25
to
now
34
million
surplus
last
year,
which
I
imagine
might
will
continue
to
grow,
that
we
not
right
now
commit
to
bonding
out
2.8
million
dollars
for
this
project.
I
support
the
project,
but
I
would
just
like
to
remove
funding
this
through
a
bond.
So
I
would
like
to
amend
it
to
fund
it
through
our
Surplus
budget,
but
not
and
not
through
a
high
interest
fund.
A
So,
in
that
case
there
is
a
second
to
the
amendment,
so
it's
then
worth
your
time
to
write
it
down
so
we'll
just
well.
So
do
you
councilman
Kelly?
Are
you
comfortable
allowing
the
discussion
to
continue
while
you
formulate
this
in
that
case
council
member
Reed?
Thank.
D
You
Miss
Biggs
our
chief
engineer,
so
this
is
a
project
we're
discussing
it
for
that
affects
the
eighth
Ward
and
Ninth
Ward.
This
is
something
that
you
know
has
been
in
the
works
since
I
think
just
before
even
my
time
here,
as
a
council
member,
so
one
can
you.
Can
you
just
give
us
a
bit
of
background
about
the
increase
in
cost
and
and
then
I'll
ask
a
follow-up
question
after
that.
AK
Certainly,
members
of
city
council,
mayor
city
manager
still
and
the
city
clerk,
my
name
is
Laura
Biggs
I'm,
the
city
engineer.
This
project
began
back
in
2019
to
2020
time
period.
There's
been
a
long
history
of
issues
with
traffic
on
Oakton.
There
are
three
elementary
schools.
AK
More
holistically
try
to
make
bigger
changes
that
addressed
along
the
entire
length,
some
of
the
challenges
and
throughout
that
time
period.
Most
of
this
work
has
happened
during
the
pandemic,
and
so
it
was
rather
challenging
for
trying
to
get
a
robust
public
response
and
there
were
a
lot
of
delays.
While
we
tried
to
wait
to
a
point
where
we
could
do
public
engagement
more
effectively,
however,
you
know
this
project
did
move
along.
We
received
a
grant
for
it.
AK
AK
I
am
not
thrilled
with
the
amount
of
construction
inflation
that
is
occurring
and
I
do
not
love
coming
to
the
city
council
for
every
project.
This
year
saying
there's
a
construction
pricing
increase,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
something
that
is
a
nationwide
problem
and
so
one
way
that
we
have
been
looking
at
things
anecdotally
I've
talked
with
some
of
our
neighboring
communities
Skokie,
for
example,
they're
all
opening
bids
at
higher
than
what
they
plan
to
all
the
people.
That
I've
talked
to.
AK
It's
been
a
very
common
problem
that
Consultants
we
work
with
are
indicating
is
a
common
problem
and
I've
looked
at
a
variety
of
construction
cost
indexes
to
also
try
to
determine.
Is
there
a
trend?
What's
the
order
of
magnitude?
I
will
say
it
is
unlikely
ever
that
a
construction
cost
index
will
accurately
pinpoint
exactly
what
is
happening
in
Evanston
Illinois.
You
know
they
are
meant
to
be
a
nationwide.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
and
with
that
to
be
clear,
we're
looking
for
a
new
dollar
amount
of
2.8
million
dollars,
2.85.
D
Okay,
no
that's
fine
and-
and
my
apologies
councilmember
Kelly
is
wanting
to
remove
this
from
a
bond.
So
how
much
of
that
is
the
bond?
It
would
be
bonded
out
for
the
entire
4
million
or
no.
AK
Actually,
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
keep
the
original
2.85
million
dollars
that
was
budgeted
in
the
adopted.
2023
budget
is
General
obligation,
bonds
and
the
excess
to
take
that
from
the
general
fund
cash
Surplus.
So
when
I
have
talked
about
this
with
hitesh
Desai,
our
Chief
Financial
Officer,
he
had
indicated
that
there
is
funding
available
to
cover
this
excess.
We
did
not
talk
about
funding
the
whole
amount
of
the
project
from
the
cash
Surplus,
but
he
did
it.
AK
He
has
indicated
to
me
several
times
and
there
has
been
discussion
that
I've
observed
at
the
finance
and
budget
committee
about
how
to
handle
some
of
the
excess
construction
costs,
as
well
as
the
base
selling
of
debt
this
year
versus
the
surpluses
that
have
come
in
for
the
general
fund.
D
AK
No
currently,
the
staff
plan
is
to
use
the
2.85
million
dollars
that
can
be
amended
by
the
city
council.
Alternatively,
the
city
council
could
decide
a
set
amount
of
the
total
2023
General
obligation,
bonds
that
were
proposed
to
be
abated
not
through
the
sale
of
a
general
obligation
Bond,
but
through
a
cash
Surplus.
That
would
be
looking
at
a
more
holistic
way
and
I.
Don't
believe
that
conversations
happened
yet,
but
we
also
have
not
sold
the
2023
go
bonds.
Yet
right.
AI
I
sent
it
in
I,
sent
it
to
Luke
and
you
and
Daniel,
but.
D
D
Yes,
it
is
to
test,
you
is.
D
Yes,
so
so
we
have
a
pretty
strong
Reserve
that
is
correct,
correct.
AL
D
So
yeah
over
our
16.6
cents,
16
points.
AL
No,
no,
no,
no,
no
answer,
plus
for
2022.,
which
operating.
AM
AL
The
total
fund
balance,
which
we
expect
if
we
end
the
year
somewhere
between
24
and
26
million,
we
would
have
the
fund
balance.
D
That's
that's
a
lot
of
money,
so
I
I,
I,
I,
hear.
AL
But
again,
I
mean
I
would
just
tell
this
thing
and
I
think
finance
and
budget
Community
has
discussed
this
couple
of
times
and
again
it
would
be
discussion
tomorrow.
AL
What
are
the
things
to
consider?
23
budget
was
passed
through
the
10
billion
10
million
dollar
deficit,
so
obviously
that's
10
million
right
there.
We
have
this
new
contracts
for
police
fire
absence
underway,
so
he's
roughly
around
five
million
dollars
for
that,
based
on
conversation
with
a
lot
of
what
she
just
mentioned
about
the
overage
in
our
construction
cost.
AL
At
the
same
time,
we
have
this
Insurance
Fund
in
the
parking
for
a
lot
kind
of
lagging
compared
to
the
policies
adopted
by
the
city
council
and
we
might
need
around
six
to
seven
million
dollars
there
and
so
yeah
I
mean,
if
you
add
up
those
things,
animal
shelter
project
which
Crown
still
has
already
approved,
which
is
over
by
1.6
million.
So
obviously
we'll
have
to
fund
it.
AL
D
Above
our
16.6
last.
AL
Time
we
were
here
yeah,
you're
right,
it
could
be
still
even
after
we
provide
for
this
yeah
you're
right.
Maybe
a
10
million
dollar
yeah.
But
the
thing
is
for
the
council
to
consider:
are
we
going
to
issue
any
bond
at
all
or
it
would
be
totally
funded
by
Journal
fund
and
what
would
happen
next
year
in
24?
So
these
are
the
kind
of
saw
the
big
items.
D
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
that
so
last
time
we
were
here
and
we
were
talking
about
our
huge
Reserve
fund
I
made
a
reference
to
a
Beatles
song.
I,
don't
think
anybody
got
so
I
won't
do
that
again,
but
we
we
have
a
lot
of
money
and
we
have
we're
storing
it
and
we
need
to
get
that
money
out
into
the
community
working
and
for
us
and
and
I
hear
the
concern
about.
D
You
know:
2024
2025,
unless
Northwestern
decides
to
purchase
the
where
the
Bears
are
playing
now,
I
think
we're
we're
going
to
be
in
pretty
good
condition
next
year
and
and
I
think
a
little
bit
further
into
the
future.
D
D
Many
have
had
many
residents
reaching
out
reach
out
over
time
about
this
I've
got
to
meet
with
staff
early
on
to
hear
the
need
for
this
I
I
support
the
council
members
amendment
to
draw
down
to
make
an
investment
into
our
future
by
by
using
our
general
fund
Reserve
balance,
rather
than
dipping,
rather
than
than
bonding
out
for
for
this
and
I
think
if
we
can
have
another
a
year
or
another
few
years
where
we
do
not
issue
new
bonds,
we'll
be
setting
up
the
Next
Generation
to
for
more
financial
prosperity
and
so
I
support.
D
AM
D
Just
lastly,
I'll
ask
Miss
Biggs,
or
maybe
this
is
more
whoever
this
is
more
appropriate
for
it,
but
it
this
seems
like
it
wouldn't
impact
the
project
where
the
money's
coming
from
right.
So
as
long
as
we
put
the
money
towards
the
the
project
we're
in
a
good
place,
and
so
you
don't
do
you
have
an
OP.
M
AK
No
they're
the
funding
source
doesn't
actually
impact
in
this.
In
this
particular
case,
projects
implement.
D
C
You
Mr
Mayor
I'll,
speak
to
the
amendment.
I
want
to
get
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
I'll
vote
for
for
A4,
but
to
the
amendment
you
know,
I
think
it
really
makes
sense
if
we
have
extra
money
to
not
borrow
as
much
that's
fairly
obvious
help
me
understand
strategically
the
best
way
to
to
wrestle
with
that
with
that
issue.
C
AK
Yes,
so
this
the
spending
of
bonds
is
tracked
to
an
account
number,
but
where
the
revenue
for
that
account
number
comes
from,
is
really
the
purview
of
the
finance
division.
So
if
the
city,
it
really
doesn't
matter
for
the
implementation
of
the
capital
program,
the
city
council
can
really
with
talking
with
the
test.
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
purview
of
Finance
as
to
when
the
best
opportunities
to
sell
bonds
or
to
offset
some
of
the
bond
costs
are,
but,
from
my
point
of
view,
implementing
the
capital
program.
It's
not.
It
doesn't
matter.
AK
C
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
certainly
have
this
conversation,
but
not
in
a
kind
of
piecemeal
way.
Let's
wait
until
later
in
the
year
see
what
our
financial
position
is
likely
to
be
by
the
end
of
the
year,
both
on
the
revenue
and
expense
side.
Look
at
all
the
other
things
we
would
like
to
spend
this
money
on
like
our
pension
obligations
and
then
make
a
decision
at
that
time.
You
know,
holistic
and
fully
informed
decision,
so
yeah,
I,
I
I
oppose
the
amendment
as
it's
structured,
but
endorse
the
underlying
concept
of
borrowing
less.
AG
Thank
you,
I
think,
council
member
nusma
said
it.
I.
Just
think.
It's
important
when
we're
looking
at
our
finances
is
that
we
look
at
it
in
its
totality
and
not
just
let's
pay
money
here.
Let's
spend
money
here,
but
look
at
all
the
projects
that
we
wish
to
do
what
we
have
available
to
do
and
moving
that
way,
not
one
by
one
so
I
agree
with
council
member
newsman.
Thank
you.
AN
I'm
trying
to
just
remember
the
discussion
we
had
I
guess
at
our
last
meeting,
am
I
correct
in
remembering
that
we
don't
actually
issue
the
general
obligation
bonds
until
deep
into
the
summer
or
when
we
have
a
much
clearer
idea
of
what
our
revenues
are,
because
I
think
there's
some
concern
about
whether
our
Revenue
projections
are
On,
Target
or
not
so
I
I
agree
with
the
idea
of
not
issuing
bonds
that
we
don't
have
to
issue,
but
I
agree
that
we
don't
need
to
make
that
decision
today.
AI
So
can
we
simply
remove
the
funding
source
because
it
seems
that
nobody
wants
to
commit
to
a
bond,
including
Jonathan,
newsma
I'm,
not
sure
how
you'd
like
me
to
structure
that
Amendment
Jonathan?
If
you
want
to
give
me,
you
know
words
for
that
different
words
than
the
way
I've
said
it.
We
could
so
I
question.
Can
we
approve
the
project
without
the
funding
source
I?
AI
Is
you
know
a
fraction
of
what
we
end
up,
paying
on
a
20-year
Bond,
what
we
the
the
burden
that
we
load
up
on
our
residents,
so
this
would
be
makes
no
sense
to
be
to
give
a
greet
to
say:
yes,
we're
going
to
pay
for
this
with
a
2.8
million
dollar
Bond
at
this
point,
so
I
support
the
project
but
I'd
like
to
know.
Since
would
you
rather
move
this
to
finance
and
budget?
AI
A
I
I
hesitate
to
speak
for
anyone,
but
just
as
the
person
kind
of
accepting
motions,
what
I
understood
the
point
to
be
was
that
the
passage
of
this
does
not
obligate
the
issuance
of
bonds.
A
AI
May
I
just
just
feel
like
we
need
to
give
responsible
direction
to
staff
and
I,
don't
feel
like
we're
really
making
a
decision
here
based
on
the
facts
that
are
before
us
and
I'd
really
like
to
see
this
Council
take
a
responsible
position
with
regard
to
issuing
yet
more
bonds
when
we
have
a
large
Surplus.
This
to
me
seems
very
clear
and
obvious
that
we
should
amend
it
to
remove
giving
directions
to
issue
bond
for
this.
The
money
is
available.
So
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
our
council
do
this
evening.
A
D
Slightly
different
approach:
I
I-
don't
think
that
I
wouldn't
category
personally
categorize
this
approving
A4
is
irresponsible,
financially,
but
I
do
think
that
you
know
seeing
that
this
is
a
a
you
know.
A
substantial,
but
relatively
small
dollar
amount
that
this
helps
us
practice
a
bit
of
restraint
by
making
by
pulling
this
out
of
the
general
fund
Reserve
now
you
know
I,
think
I
think
by
setting
this
up
as
if
we
are
going
to
potentially
fund
this
through
our
general
obligation.
D
Bonds
for
2023
I
I
do
think,
gives
us
an
easy
choice
and
I
think
that's
because
it's
it's
easy
to
issue
bonds
and
know
that
you'll
have
20
some
odd
years
to
pay
it
off
and
it
doesn't
really
feel
like
it
hits
the
books
now
and,
and
so
that
is
somewhat
of
the
easy
way
out-
and
this
is
in
part,
why
we're
in
the
issues
in
in
somewhat
of
the
financial.
D
Yeah
and
they
they're
bringing
themselves
to
an
end,
so
I
would
ask
that
we.
We
approve
moving
this
from
the
general
obligation
fund,
or
at
least
you
know,
tagging
this
in
a
way
that
that
does
not
set
us
up
to
essentially
have
to
issue
new
bonds.
And,
lastly,
I'll
just
point
out
that
councilmember
Kelly
is
is
spot
on
with
the
where
a
bond
market
is
now
I.
Think
the
only
bonds
of
this
Council
has
approved
were
in
2021
or
2022,
when
interest
rates
were
actually
very
low.
D
I
mean
we
refinanced
a
lot
of
of
our
previous
debt,
and
so
it
really
kudos
to
hitesh
and
the
team
for
bringing
that
before
us,
but
I
do
think
we're
in
a
very
different
time
now
and
just
looking
at
the
financial
picture
of
our
city
for
the
next
20
some
odd
years.
Let's
I'll
end
here,
we
can
I
would
recommend
drawing
down
from
the
general
fund
Reserve.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you.
No
one
else.
No
one
else
is
requesting
to
speak
for
first
or
second
time.
So
we
go
back
to
council
member
Kelly
with
two
minutes
and
10
seconds
left.
AI
So
obviously
I'm,
you
know
very
determined
to
have
this
amendment
passed
so
I'd
like
to
know,
if
there's
other
wording
that
we
that
you'd
like
to
see
Jonathan
in
terms
of
giving
direction,
you
know
not
to
issue
a
bond
if
there's
some
other
way
to
phrase
this.
That
would
make
you
more
comfortable.
C
C
Let's
make
a
fully
informed
decision
in
August
in
September
as
to
how
much
Bond
we
want
to
issue
and
where
to
use
that
money.
Voting
for
this
project,
as
as
it
appears
on
our
agenda
tonight,
does
not
obligate
us
to
issue
2.85
million
dollars
worth
of
bonds.
AI
AM
AI
AO
Do
we
need
to
name
the
source
as
part
of
some?
You
know
Grant
stipulation
or
what
is
the?
AO
AO
AK
This
project
will
start
in
June,
so
there
there
is
actually
I
think
it
might
start
in
may,
but
late
May
or
early
June.
So
there
is,
you
know
the
materials.
AK
A
The
bond
like
doesn't
even
exist
until
later
in
the
year.
Okay.
So
at
the
time
that
we
would
issue
the
bonds,
we
could
say.
Oh
wait:
we've
got
a
bunch
of
money
sitting
around
we'll
just
issue
fewer
bonds;
okay,
so
that
Bond
money
that
money
has
not
been
borrowed.
It
will
not
be
borrowed
when
the
first
shuttle
hits
the
ground
it'll.
AO
AO
Yeah
I
guess
I
still
see
why
I
mean.
Why
are
we
communicating
this
to
if
we
know
that
that's
an
option?
Why
do
we
need
to
communicate
it
that
we're
gonna,
that
it's
a
possible?
Is
that
it's
a
the
source
of
funding
for
the
project?
Let's
just
say,
we
support
the
project
and
revisit
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
it
when
it's
time
I
could
see
if
it
was
contingent
on
a
grant.
I
could
see
a
grant
stipulating
that
in
order
to
receive
the
grant
right,
you
need
to
identify
a
source
of
Revenue
and
I.
AO
Think
I've
seen
grants
like
that
before
I
can't
remember,
but
absent
that
I
I'm
trying
to
find
some
Middle
Ground
between
where
council
member
Kelly
is
and
where
I
think
everybody
else
is,
and
if
we
don't
have
to
name
it
then
you
know
I
am
in
support
of
removing
it
and
because
we're
not
going
to
fund
it
in
June
through
bonds
anyway.
So,
let's
just
remove
that
and
revisit
this
when
we
need
to
and
also
support,
I
I
would
have
supported
if
there
was
time
sending
this
through
our
financial
budget
committee
I.
AO
Think
we
really
need
to
that
committee
needs
to
to
look
at
some
of
this,
and
one
of
the
working
groups
is
looking
at
our
Capital
improvement
process.
I
think
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
kind
of
focusing
in
on
that,
but
I
do
think.
This
is
a
better
discussion
for
our
finance
and
budget
committee
and
ideally
we'd
have
a
plan
on
how
to
do
this,
and
then
that
then
it
would
go
to
council.
So
I
do
agree
with
that
as
well.
AH
I
just
wanted
to
whether
they're
funding
sources
have
identified
so
first
of
all,
the
city
council's
already
appropriated
the
money
via
the
budget.
That's
the
one
thing
the
city
council
has
to
do
and
I
think
that
the
funding
source
and
I
believe
I
heard
this
big
state.
This
is
that
the
funding
source
of
it
being
the
general
obligation
bonds
is
what
was
budgeted
by
the
city
council
in
terms
of
the
cap
in
terms
of
the
capital
Improvement
fund.
What
I
heard
a
test
say
at
a
previous
meeting.
Was
that
those
buns?
AH
Don't
those
bonds
don't
get
issued
and
I
actually
don't
even
know
if
we
issued
Bonds
in
2022.
those
bonds
don't
get
issued
until
you
guys
issue
them.
So
it's
a
matter
of
you
know
it's
a
contingency
almost
because
from
from
what
I've
gleaned
from
all
these
discussions
from
Miss
Biggs
from
Mr
Desai
that
you
know
the
funding
source
is
a
matter
of
transparency.
AH
You
have
to
tell
the
public
where
you're
spend
where
you're
getting
the
money
from
you,
don't
necessarily
have
to
name
the
funding
source
if
you
don't
want
to,
but
in
my
experience
in
dealing
with
this
particular
Council,
you
kind
of
want
to
tell
the
residents
where
the
money's
coming
from,
but
it's
listed
as
to
what
was
budgeted.
This
was
from
General
Obligations
minds,
but
if
the
city
never
issues
those
bonds,
it
comes
out
of
the
general
fund.
AH
AO
If
it
was
contingent
on
us
receiving
a
grant,
I'd
be
down
for
it,
but
I
don't
think
it
is,
and
and
I
agree
with
council
member
Kelly
I
think
we
need
to
think
through
this
a
bit
more
before
we
make
any
commitments
to
issue
bonds
and
again,
I
would
really
love
to
see
I
wish.
You
had
enough
time
to
take
this
through
the
financial
budget
committee,
because
I
think
that's
the
committee,
where
we
could
develop
a
plan
on
how
to
address
this.
That's
all
point.
D
Of
order,
while
you
have
the
floor,
would
you
like
to
make
a
friendly
Amendment,
so
we
can
maybe
continue
our
meeting.
D
A
C
I
forget
where
I
was
when
I,
when
I
pressed
the
button
but
we're
let's,
let's
just
clarify
a
vote
on
the
underlying
motion
of
A4-
is
to
approve
moving
forward
with
this
project.
If
we
vote
on
the
on
the
issue
as
it's
presented,
you
know
we
are
saying
up
to.
2.85
million
dollars
may
come
from
bonds,
but
we're
not
obligating
2.85
million
dollars
worth
of
bonds
to
be
issued.
Tonight
we
have.
C
This,
is
one
of
I,
don't
know
how
many
15
20
couple
dozen
Capital
Improvement
projects,
and
so
we
need
to
have
a
strategic
discussion
here.
I
don't
want
to
have
this
discussion
for
this
project
tonight
and
another
project
in
two
weeks
and
another
project,
two
weeks
after
that,
another
project,
two
weeks
after
that.
That
is
not
a
wise
use
of
our
time
and
resources
and
it
doesn't
actually
accomplish
anything
if
we're
not
issuing
the
bond
until
later
in
the
summer.
C
Let's
have
the
discussion
holistically
then
see
where
all
the
projects
net
out
and
make
a
fully
informed
decision.
That's
all
I'm,
saying
it's
fairly
obvious
to
me
and
I'm
a
complete
agreement
with
councilmember
Kelly
that
we
don't
want
to
borrow
money
that
we
don't
have
to
that.
We
don't
have
to
borrow
it's
like.
We
agree
on
the
underlying
your
underlying
objective
here:
let's
pursue
a
strategic
approach
to
making
and
to
fully
informed
and
analytical
decision,
rather
than
a
knee-jerk
kind
of
reactionary
approach
on
an
ad
hoc
basis.
A
AN
Smith's
recommendation
that
we
not
do
this
piecemeal,
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
discussion
later
in
a
few
months
when
we
have
a
clearer
idea,
a
clearer
idea
of
where
we
are
financially
and
two
council
member
Burns
suggestion
that
we
could
just
approve
this
without
identifying
the
funding
source.
I
mean
our
whole
agenda
is
replete
with,
with
you
know,
expense
with
projects
that
we're
approving
and
they
always
identify
where
the
funding
source
is
coming
from
and
I.
AN
Think
that's
what
council
member
I
mean
Corporation
Council
Cummings
indicated
when
we're
talking
about
transparency
to
our
residents
that
we're
saying
here's.
Here's
what
we're
approving
this-
and
this
is
where
we're
going
to
come
up
with
the
money.
AK
So
I
would
I
would
just
offer
an
example
like
when
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
to
buy
groceries.
I
can
use
a
credit
card
or
write
a
check
from
a
specific
account,
but
I
have
to
tell
them
how
I'm
going
to
pay
for
it.
But
when
it's
time
to
pay
the
credit
card
bill,
I
can
enter
into
a
long-term
relationship
with
my
credit
card
company
and
pay
for
20
years
by
paying
the
minimum
amount
or
I
can
literally
just
pay
it
off
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
not
owe
any
interest.
AK
A
Can
can
I
there's
more
people
online,
but
I
just
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
I'm
just
concerned
about
something
that
the
Corporation
Council
said.
A
The
2.85
million
dollar
number
is
provided
for
in
the
budget,
correct
correct,
which
passed
as
an
ordinance
last
year
correct,
correct.
The
the
proposed
amendment
is
in
effect
a
kind
of
a
budget
amendment
in
the
sense
that
it's
seeking
to
amend
the
budget.
Yes,
yes,
but
it's
not
an
ordinance
that
actually
amends
the
literal
budget.
The
budget
would
not
be
amended.
A
AH
AH
D
Of
order
or
point
of
point
of
information-
yes,
not
order
just
to
be
clear,
the
2.8
million
isn't
listed
in
the
budget.
There
may
be
a
line
item
for
General
obligation,
bonds,
2023,
but
is
there
I,
don't
believe
that
they're,
specifically
2.8
million
for
the
Oakton
Corridor
Improvement
project
in
the
budget,
ordinance
I,
don't
believe
our
budget
ordinance
gets
into
that
level
of
detail.
Am
I
incorrect
on
that
can
can.
AI
D
A
Would
have
no
impact
on
that,
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that
all
right.
So
still,
no,
it's
snsp
for
the
first
time
so
still
run
second
cracks,
and
that
is
council
member
burns
with
two
minutes
left.
AO
So
in
June
we're
going
to
start
paying
out
contractors
or
Architects
or
someone
starting
in
June
for
this
project.
Yes,
and
how
is
that
being
funded?.
AK
Goes
to
an
account
number,
that's
for
the
2023
General
obligation,
Bond,
but
Capital
Improvement
fund.
Now,
because
we
did
not
sell
bonds
last
year.
My
understanding
is
that
the
capital
Improvement
fund
cash
balance
is
actually
very,
very
low
at
the
moment
and
so
ultimately,
what's
going
to
happen
as
the
capital
Improvement
fund
is
going
to
have
to
start
borrowing
from
the
general
fund
in
order
to
make
payments,
and
a
lot
of
this
will
happen
behind
the
scenes
until
a
budget
amendment
is
made
to
or
a
bond
is
sold
to,
replenish
the
accounts
and
hitesh.
AL
Milara
you
write
under
yes
again,
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
of
the
one
thing
which
I
think
councilman
used
when
so
many
made
I
mean
we
come
to
the
city
council
for
the
issuance
of
Prague,
when
we
feel
the
market
is
right,
we
did
not
issue
the
bond
because
the
market
wasn't
right.
So
obviously
we
need
to,
and
at
that
time
Council
can
always
have
the
direction.
That
okay
no
be
said.
Yeah,
we
propose
These
funds,
I
mean
those
projects
to
be
funded
out
of
the
CIP
under
the
Geo
bonds.
AL
But
what
is
the
general
fund?
What
is
the
Surplus?
What
is
the
unallocated
money
out
of
general
fund?
How
much
of
that
can
be
used
for
the
CIP
projects
and
you
can
reduce
the
bond
amount
if,
even
if
you
fill
the
first
step,
whether
it's
right
or
wrong,
you
issue
the
path.
That's
the
first
thing,
if
you
say
no,
we
can't
issue
the
bond
that's
over.
AL
Secondly,
if
you
say
yes,
we
can
issue,
but
it
has
shown
me
the
general
fund
money
available
and
then
you
can
reduce
the
bond
amount
and
instead
it
would
be
paid
out
of
the
general
fund
Surplus.
So
the
whole
point
is
yes:
I
mean
you
are
not
approving
any
bond
issue.
You
are
not
committing
yourself
to
issuing
the
bond
just
because
you
are
approving
the
project.
Obviously,
I
have
given
the
example
of
2022
bonds.
Wherever
issued
the
approve
the
projects
to
be
funded
out
of
22.
AL
We
never
issue
that
the
other
thing
which
I
would
stress
with
Lara
says
that
I
mean
that
General,
the
CIP
fund
balance
is
depleting
right.
Now
it
is
around
1.8
million
dollars.
Cash
is
little
higher
because
we
haven't
made
a
big
payment
to
The
Hider
the
moment
they
come
with
their
payment
of
around
seven
eight
million.
The
cash
would
be
down
to
one
one
and
a
half
million.
So
at
some
point
we
will
need
some
source
of
funding.
This
was
discovered
the
finance
budget.
AL
That's
why
we
have
even
the
line
of
credit
option
that
okay.
If
we
think
that
okay,
we
need
the
money.
Now
but
the
market
is
still
not
good:
I
can
tap
into
the
general
fund
Reserve
if
that's
not
available.
I
can
tap
into
the
line
of
credit
for
a
temporary
purpose,
but
at
some
point
city
council
will
have
to
make
the
decision
for
a
long-term
funding
once
they're
kind
of
the
marketing
groups.
AO
Thank
you
if
I
could
reclaim
my
time
so
I
understand,
I,
think
this
Council
understands
what
we
can
do
and
I
was
with
you
when
it
in
turn,
when
there
was
an
item
that
we
needed
to
pass,
that
allowed
us
to
refund
the
general
fund
up
to
a
certain
amount.
I
was
with
you
on
that
part
of
this
which
I
don't
think
people
are
totally
getting.
AO
What
I'm
hearing
is
it's
likely
gonna
they're
gonna
need
to
borrow
money
from
our
general
fund
and
then
it
may
right
be
paid
for
coming
from
General
from
General
obligation
bonds.
If
we're
talking
about
transparency,
that
is
literally
what
is
going
to
take
place
aside
from
you
know
the
final
decision
to
to
go
out
on
a
bond.
So
if
we
want
to
communicate
exactly
what
we're
going
to
do
and
we
want
to
be
transparent,
that's
what
we
should.
AO
We
should
indicate
and
that's
what
I'm
willing
to
support
this
evening,
because
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
we're
not
funding
this
initially
out
of
any
bond
we're
going
CIP,
then
we're
probably
going
to
have
to
borrow
out
of
the
general
fund,
and
then
we
may
right.
If
we
don't
have
come
up
with
another
plan,
we
may
use
General
obligation
bonds
and
that's
that's
what
I'm
willing
to
support.
Thank
you,
chair.
F
C
You
Mr
Mayor.
What
we're
proposing
here
is
no
different
than
any
other
Capital
Improvement
project
in
terms
of
the
inside
baseball
about
how
it
gets
funded.
We
use
some
money
that
we
have
to
pay
the
initial
bills
and
eventually
we,
if
we
have
to
take
out
a
long-term
loan,
called
the
bond.
This
is
no
different.
AO
C
I
think
we're
ready
to
vote
on
this
motion.
That's
let's
move
on.
A
I
yeah,
but
with
no
one
asking
to
speak
for
a
second
or
third
time,
we're
going
to
go
to
Fourth
cracks,
councilmember
Kelly
with
a
minute
30.
AI
Thank
you
so
first
I
first
want
to
point
out
when
we
pass
our
budget
budget,
we
passed
our
budget
CIP
budget
based
on
the
needs
and
that
that's
how
we
decide
to
Levy
and
based
on
our
revenue
and
everything
else.
And
yes,
we
did
pass
a
budget
that
included
17
million
about
a
17
million
dollar
potential
bond
in
23,
but
we
were
also
if
you
want
to
talk
about
ad
hoc,
Daniel
and
saying
well,
that
would
mean
we'd
increase
our
budget
by
2.8.
AI
We
also
passed
a
budget
with
an
understanding
that
there
is
a
14.1
million
dollar
Surplus,
which
has
now
increased
by
almost
20
million
dollars,
so
I
mean
so
that
was
also
not
available
to
us
and
presented
to
us
at
the
time
of
passing
our
budget.
This
absolutely
and
I
agree
100
with
Alderman
Revell.
We
should.
We
should
be
absolutely
transparent
with
our
taxpayers
and
I.
AI
Think
it's
you
know
we
do
want
to
send
in
also
in
concurrence
with
council
member
Burns
a
message
that
we
are
about
fiscal
discipline
here
and
we
have
a
very
large
Surplus
budget.
This
this
item
A4,
says
that
the
funding
will
be
provided
through
a
Gold
Bond,
and
at
this
point
we
should
not
be
giving
that
we
should
not
be
saying
that
so
I'm
simply
I'm
going
to
maintain
the
amendment
that
that
be
removed.
The
funds
are
there.
We
need
to
send
the
message.
AI
I
agree
with
you,
councilmember
Burns
and
I
agree
with
council
member
Revell
that
we
should
be
transparent
about
it.
If
you
know
later
on,
it
turns
out,
we
need
to
issue
bonds.
You
know
down
the
road,
we
look
at
it,
the
finance
and
budget
committee,
but
until
then
I
think
we
have
full
obligation
to
our
taxpayers.
AI
We
are
at
close
to
a
half
a
billion
dollar
in
in
debt
obligation
on
our
residence
backs
right
now
between
our
pension,
our
Public
Safety
pensions
and
our
bond
debt
and
I'm
very
proud
of
this
Council
for
not
issuing
any
bonds
last
year
and
for
fully
funding
our
our
pensions.
Our
ratings
went
up.
Our
debt
went
down.
Let's
stay
on.
That
course.
Thank
you.
D
Of
information
and
I'll
I'll
just
use
this
really
quick,
just
to
be
clear
that,
because
I
heard
this
concern
and
I
want
to
make
sure
this
is
clear
for
everybody
that
won
this
what's
written
is
not
you
know
transparent
in
the
way
that
folks
just
discussed,
because
it
doesn't
tell
us
exactly
how
this
is
going
to
be
funded
and
two
approving
this,
as
is
when
you
say,
point
of
information.
D
The
point
information
is
just
to
make
sure
that
we
I
want
to
make
sure
so
what's
written
here
is
not
what
what's
actually
going
to
happen?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
D
And
then,
secondly,
the
budget-
this
essentially
approving
this
A4
as
written
to
your
concern
earlier,
would
require
budget
amendment.
Is
that
correct?
Potentially,
you
know
if
if
our
Capital
Improvement
fund
is
low
and
we
will
have
to
move
money
from
the
general
fund
to
Capital
Improvement,
that
requires
a
budget
amendment
no.
AB
AL
Council,
member
yeah,
if
the
general
fund
expenditure
exceeds
the
budgeted
level,
we
need
the
budget
event,
but
I
would
just
clarify
one
thing.
When
we
talk
about
using
the
general
fund
Surplus,
we
are
talking
about
not
a
low.
We
are
talking
about
just
kind
of
a
using
that
Surplus
as
like
a
transferring
money
from
General
from
268,
which
is
not
coming
back
from
because
of
the
general
fund.
Decent
fund
balance
situation.
So
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
when
I
say
at
some
point.
AL
Council
will
have
to
make
a
decision
about
the
bond
because
there
is
like
a.
We
did
not
issue
the
bond
last
year,
but
the
projects
have
moved
forward
or
are
moving
forward
for
around
15
degrees.
23
months
projects
are
around
15
million,
so
I
don't
know
whether
Council
has
appetite
to
improve
almost
25
to
30
million
dollar
transfer
from
General
one
to
the
CIP,
without
any
intention
to
give
it
back
to
each
other.
Thank.
A
AO
AO
AI
A
A
Aye
with
six
voting
in
favor
and
two
voting
against
the
motion
carries
an
item.
A4
is
passed.
This
now
brings
us
to
item
A14.
Would
someone
care
to
make
a
motion
on
item
A14.
AG
A
AO
So
there
was
a
an
error
in
the
contract
that
that
we
received
it
was
an
error
on
workspace
part.
They
put
a
hundred
active
working
hours
at
7
800
a
month
instead
of
the
80
hours
that
that
that
we
previously
discussed
the
there
is
a
slight
increase
from
the
5616
a
month
that
we
approved,
because
we've
not
we've
now
gone
from
signing
a
a
12-month
agreement
to
a
month
to
month.
AO
We
did
that
because
some
of
the
concerns
that
APW
were
about
concerns
related
to
Performance
issues
and
criminal
conduct
and
our
ability
to
to
terminate
if
we
sold
to
if
we
decided
to
and
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
can
terminate
with
a
45-day
notice,
with
or
without
cause,
we've
now
gone
from
again
a
12-month
contract
to
a
month-to-month
contract,
and
so
the
monthly
cost
will
be
will
go
from
5616
to
6240..
AO
AO
Before
we
kind
of
passed
the
next
budget,
and
so
really
what
we're
doing
is-
and
this
is
only
if
we
choose
to
to
continue
with
Works-
be
over
the
next
nine
months,
but
really
what
we're
talking
about
is
56
160,
so
it's
actually
less
than
what
we
approved
and,
and
only
is
that
if
we
decide
to
stay
with
them,
the
you
know
the
rest
of
the
year.
That's
all
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
AI
So,
just
to
be
clear,
so
this
was
I
see
in
the
budget
that
we
passed
the
amount
that
you
said:
68
000.
42,
and
that
was
in
the
general
fund,
not
from
the
Surplus.
From
last
year,
I
thought
it
was
taken.
AI
AI
AI
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
yeah
I
do
agree
with
council
member
Burns
and
my
colleagues
that
we
definitely
could
use
some
more
help.
So,
starting
with
that
point
of
agreement,
I'm
not
convinced
this
is
the
most
prudent
use
of
taxpayer
dollars.
What
we're
contemplating
here
is
paying
a
remote
worker
78
dollars
an
hour
to
do
a
job
that
would
cost
a
temporary
contract
employee
or
a
contract
employee.
Let
me
let
me
say
that
more
accurately,
20
or
30
dollars
an
hour.
C
The
city,
managers
or
staff
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that's
about
what
we're
talking
about
so
we're
we're
contemplating
hiring
somebody
who
works.
Who
knows
where,
more
than
twice
what
we
would
pay
somebody
to
do
that
work
who
would
live
and
work
in
Evanston
and
when
we
initially
approached
this
conversation,
it
was
in
the
context
of
getting
something
done
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
then
maybe
eventually
considering
bringing
someone
in
house
I'm
prepared
to
cut
to
the
Chase,
and
you
know
advocate
for
bringing
somebody
in-house.
C
You
know
whether
that's
on
a
part-time
basis
for
twenty
or
thirty
dollars
an
hour
or
bringing
in
somebody
on
a
permanent
basis
to
do
to
do
40
hours
a
week.
I
think
we
could
justify
that
so
I
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
worksby
contract,
because
I
would
prefer
to
have
this
work
done
in-house
I
think
it
could
be
done
cheaper
and
be
done
better.
D
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
this
I
agree
with
councilman
renusma
I.
Do
think
that
you
know
in
in
the
long
term.
It
may
be
better
to
have
this
work
done
in-house
and
so
kind
of
hope
that
our
city
manager,
staff
or
if
we
need
to
do
something
more
official,
to
get
the
ball
rolling.
So
by
next
year
we
can
have
somebody
on
staff.
That's
in
the
building.
They
wouldn't
necessarily
live
in
Evanston,
as
we
know
that
a
lot
of
our
employees
don't,
but
they
they'd
be
here
and
that's
important.
D
I
also
don't
know
if
we'd
only
be
paying
them
20
30
an
hour
folks
need
health
care
and
time
off
and
all
kinds
of
other
stuff,
so
I
I
do
think.
That
number
is
a
bit
incorrect,
but
nonetheless
I
I
do
agree
with
the
overall
sentiment,
which
is
it
makes
sense
to
bring
this
in-house.
I
will
note
that
it's
not
just
from
my
understanding
of
the
workspeed
contract.
It's
not
just
one
person,
it's
potentially
a
team
of
three
people
or
several
two
people
that
will
be
assigned
to
us.
D
So
I
think
that's
important
to
note.
So
I
will
be
voting
for
this
I
think
it's
has
has
been
stated.
The
assistance
is
desperately
needed
by
this
body
and
I
think
this
is
a
good,
short-term,
short-term
solution
in
search
of
the
long-term
solution,
which
is
actually
adding
more
staff
in-house.
Thank
you.
AN
So
I
have
a
question:
I
guess
for
city
manager,
how
if
we
went
the
direction
that
council
member
news,
suggesting
of
hiring
I,
guess
a
contract
worker
to
do
this
work?
How?
How
long
would
it
take
us
to
actually
get
someone
in
place
to
do
this
work
because
I
mean
the
council
members
who
are
eager
to
have
this
assistance
have
been
waiting
quite
a
while
already.
E
Sure,
good
evening,
mayor,
council,
members,
clerk,
Mendoza,
Lucas,
Doe,
City
manager,
so
I
would
share
like
even
right
now
on
our
current
job
board.
We
have
a
couple
of
positions:
advertising,
part-time
contractor
positions,
so
long
story
short
we
would
be
able
to.
If
that
was
the
decision
of
the
direction
of
the
council
to
go,
we
could
post
relatively
quickly
advertise
a
position,
conduct
interviews
and
hire
that
person.
It
would
be
several
weeks,
but
not
several
months.
AN
Yeah
I
mean
I
I,
agree
with
council
member
nusa.
That
I
think
it
makes
Financial
sense
to
to
go
that
route
quickly,
but
I'm
also
sympathetic
to
my
colleagues
who
are
eager
to
have
this.
AJ
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor,
I
I
agree
with
councilman
nuzma
on
this
I
I,
but
I
do
I,
am
very
sympathetic
to
the
members
of
the
council
who
want
to
have
the
assistance
I
think
that
it
is
needed.
Having
been
on
the
council,
when
we
have
had
a
position
like
this
in
the
city
manager's
office,
it
was
very
valuable,
so
I
would,
and
it
was
it
was
someone
who
was
here
who
was
working
for
all
of
us
who
understood
what
was
happening
at
the
city
was
able
to.
AJ
They
were
in
the
building.
They
were
able
to
contact
anybody
within
the
building
who
they
felt
need,
could
help
them
solve
a
problem.
So
I
I
again
as
I,
am
appreciative
of
the
the
desire
to
bring
someone
to
on
to
help
with
this
I
do
think
we
get
higher
value
added
by
hiring
someone
to
do
this.
Who
would
be
here
in
the
community?
AJ
F
AQ
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
packet,
but
do
we
have
like
a
evaluation
period
where
we
would
come
back
to
see
how
this
potential
contract
would
would
go?
I
know
we
have
the
45-day
to
terminate
the
contract
as
much
I.
Do
appreciate
the
sentiment
to
having
like
a
evanstonian
working
for
us
and
doing
this,
but
I
also
think
you
know,
with
the
health
care
costs
and
everything
and
probably
be
more
expensive
than
the
the
the
68
yeah.
AR
Good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
clerk,
Mendoza
and
city
manager
still
I'm
Allison
leipzigger,
the
policy
coordinator,
the
20
to
30
dollars
an
hour
would
be
for
somebody
who
is
working
hourly
part-time
who's,
not
getting
benefits.
So
in
that
sense
it
would
be
a
lot
a
lot
less
expensive
to
go
with
someone
in-house.
But
if
we
hired
somebody
full-time,
obviously,
then
with
Benefits
it
would
it
would
be
more
than
workspeed.
AR
But
that's
that's
the
number
that
council
member
newsma
is
referencing
and
that's
why
he's
saying
it
would
be
so
much
less
expensive
because
it'd
be
twenty
to
thirty
dollars
an
hour
instead
of
70
plus
an
hour
and
and
we
do
have,
we
do
have
people
on
staff
who
are
part-time,
hourly,
don't
get
benefits,
it's
maybe
not
the
direction.
You
want
to
go
right,
but
in
terms
of
cost,
that's
an
option.
AQ
AG
You
so
I
think
we've
said
it
all.
We
voted
on
Works
B.
We
got
approval
our
constituents
even
said
we
needed
the
help.
I
think
we
begin
with
this,
but
do
look
at
trying
to
hire
someone
whether
that's
part-time
or
full-time.
We
just
we've
just
been
told.
We
have
Act
and
access
and
funding.
So
we
can
potentially
fund
this
out
of
some
of
that
money
which
brings
us
back
to.
AG
If
we
look
at
that
in
totality,
we
can
look
at
how
we
spend
the
excess
money,
not
just
piece
mail
it
so
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
this
for
a
limited
time,
hoping
that
we
will
find
someone
to
do
this
work
and
work
for
the
city,
which
would
have
a
better
feel
for
who
we
are
what
is
needed,
but
we
need
to
begin.
We've
been
doing
this
almost
half
a
year.
AO
I
I
think
the
equivalent
of
this
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
to
the
detail
of
why
they're
what
they're
providing
is
different
from
a
part-time
person
that
that,
hopefully,
we
find
in
a
really
competitive
job
market,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I
think
the
equivalent
is
a
full-time
salaried
person
that,
with
insurance,
this
is
going
to
be
a
grinding
job
where
you're
doing
you're
you're
responding
to
emails,
you're
helping
like
draft
newsletters
I
mean
this
is
this
is
not
I,
don't
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
council
has
had
previously
I.
AO
Think
most
councils
have
support
staff
that,
like
help
plan
meetings-
and
this
is
like
all
of
the
work
that
most
people
didn't
say
they
wanted
to
do
when
they
grew
up
right,
and
so
the
idea
that
we're
gonna,
you
know,
find
some
part-time
person
that
can
fit
this
into
their
life.
I'd,
rather
go
with
at
least
to
start
with
a
company
that
does
this
professionally.
AO
That's
going
to
provide
80
active
working
hours
to
council
to
the
full
Council,
whoever
chooses
to
participate
and
and
and
we
can
continue
to
to
try
to
figure
out
where
there's
agreement
on
a
permanent
internal
hire
again.
My
my
position
on
that
is
I.
Think
the
equivalent
to
this
is
a
full-time
salaried
Insurance
person.
That's
going
to
be
willing
to
do
that
really
grinding
work,
but
knows
they
have
the
job
security
and
in
the
in
the
in
and
a
salary
appropriate
salary
to
to
weather
it.
AO
You
know
honestly
I
would
this
is
not
a
job
that
I
would
want
and
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
people
want
in
such
a
competitive
market,
but
again
with
the
right
salary
with
the
right
insurance
I
think
we
could
find
somebody
it
takes
some
time.
So,
let's
start
here
learn
from
this
and
then
we
can
look
to
do
that.
D
Yeah
I
won't
repeat
that
that
was
gonna,
be
my
point
but
I'm
looking
for
someone
who
is
the
quality
of
Allison
and
I,
don't
think
Allison
with
the
family
would
do
this
job
for
thirty
dollars
an
hour
part-time
and
so
I
that
that's
I'll,
just
I'll.
Leave
that
point
there
councilmember
Burns
made
that
really
well
and
then.
Lastly,
for
my
colleagues,
I'm
kind
of
reading
the
room
here,
I,
don't
quite
know
exactly
how
councilmember
Ravel
is
going
to
vote
yet.
D
So
it's
really
hinging
on
councilman
Revel,
but
this
could
be
a
4-4
vote
and
then
mayor
business
to
vote
and
be
the
tiebreaker
here
since
we're
missing
one
of
our
colleagues,
and
so
with
that,
although
I
enjoy
hearing
mayor.
AM
D
I
do
think
that
having
someone
on
staff
be
better,
but
I
do
also
need
the
assistance
now
and
I.
Think
many
of
us
need
this
distance
now
and
if,
at
the
beginning
of
this
process,
you
know
before
we
pass
the
budget.
If
we
said
yeah
we're
gonna,
you
know
hire
someone
or
get
it
get
them
on
staff.
By
now,
then
I
guess
we'd
be
here
now
with
somebody
on
staff,
but
we
didn't
make
that
decision,
and
so
I
would
encourage
folks
who
are
on
the
fence
to
vote
Yes.
D
You
will
have
a
full
supporter
out
of
me
when
it
comes
to
next
budget
cycle
and
hopefully
before
then
working
to
get
somebody
on
staff
in
the
building
if
we
can
find
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
plus
to
pay
them.
Thank
you.
A
Still
on
second
cracks
council
member
Kelly
with
four
minutes
and
10
seconds
left,
it's.
A
AI
F
AI
This
one
I
asked
a
question:
okay,
so
is
there
anything
that
precludes
this
from
just
allocating?
So
if
it's,
you
know
60
whatever
seven
thousand
dollars
each
and
we
present
bills
that
we've
paid
I
mean
as
opposed
to
so
because
I
I
can
see.
You
know,
I've
hired
research,
assistants
in
the
past
and
just
seems,
like
you
know,
you're
going
to
find
somebody
who
works
well
with
you
who
understands
your
interest
in
style,
Etc
I
mean.
Is
there
anything
that
would
be?
AI
AO
Sheriff
I
may
that's
where
I
started
off
and
I
thank
God
beat
up
pretty
bad
in
the
from
the
public
about
suggesting
that
idea.
I
thought
it
was
a
fine
idea.
You
got,
we
got
received
some
pushback
and
so
pivoted
and
to
look
at
this
model,
but
so
yeah.
We
that
was
previously
discussed.
AO
A
AH
A
He
was
just
trying
to
save
time
and
the
Corporation
Council
was
uncomfortable
that
approach,
so
we're
not
gonna
have
this
time
saving
approach
either
way.
So,
whichever
comes
first,
the
other
one's
gonna
have
to
come
after
so
councilmember
read
moves
passage
of
ordinance,
34-0-23
council
member
win
seconds.
Is
there
any
discussion
council,
member
Kelly.
AI
So
so
are
we
in
item
P3,
the
special
use
and
variations
for
this,
the
institution.
AI
Church,
so
we're
asked
to
authorize
this
on
land
that
this
entity
currently
doesn't
own
correct.
So
we're
asked
to
approve
these
variances
yet
The
Entity
does
not
have
the
land.
AI
AH
Yes,
so
routinely,
the
council
will
will
be
presented
or
The
Landings,
commission
and
then
the
council
will
be
presented
with
requests
for
zoning
relief
before
an
acquisition
happens
because
the
acquisition
may
not
go
through
if
the
perspective
zoning
relief
is
not
provided.
AI
Thank
you,
and
so
we
still
currently
don't
really
have
any
idea
how
this
will
be
funded.
Is
that
also
correct,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
that,
generally
speaking,
property
owners
usually
own
the
land
that
we
are
discussing,
developments
are
frequently
it
seems
from
my
experience
here.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
this,
where
we're
approving
a
development
where
the
land
is
not
on,
but
so
am
I
clear
that
we
don't
know
the
funding
for
this
project,
how
this
will
be
funded
and
we're
asked
to
approve
it.
X
X
AI
AI
But
it
wasn't
explained
to
the
land
use
commission
that
in
fact
this
this
was
really
approved
for
industrial
use
only
and
that
they'd
have
to
come
back
and
and
get
a
yet
another
letter
of
approval,
separate
from
the
iepa
that
I
think
is
problematic
and
I'm
concerned
that
we
haven't
brought
this
back
to
the
land
use
Commission
with
full
disclosure.
As
to
what
the
iepa
actually
said
about
this
land.
X
The
iepa
gave
a
letter
of
no
further
remediation
as
long
as
the
barrier
is
maintained.
X
Frequently
when
you're
cleaning
up
this
was
a
gas
station
and
there
were
underground
tanks
I
believe
they
were
leaking
underground
tanks,
the
tanks
were
removed,
but
not
knowing
exactly
what's
going
to
be
built,
you
rarely
fully
remediate
a
property
in
this
situation
for
all
uses,
because,
depending
on
what
you
do,
you
may
not
need
to
do
that
when
you're
putting
a
foundation
over
that
you
in
essence
cap
the
property
again
and
that
contains
any
remaining
contaminants.
X
AI
AI
AI
That
but
that
wasn't
presented
accurately
to
the
land
use
commission
by
Mr
Koenig.
So
this
is
our
public
land
this
lot,
so
we
are
going
to
gift
it.
We
haven't
done
that
yet.
So
the
idea
is
that
to
whom
are
we
gifting
our
public
lot
to
here?
Can
someone
tell
me.
AI
No
well,
it's
all
very
convoluted,
so
this
particular
plot
I
believe
that's!
Isn't
that
all
the
public
land
where
the
on
the
corner?
That's
where
our
public
lot
is
and
we're
gifting
that
to
somebody
but
I,
don't
know
who
and
that's
why
it
was
taking
off
p
d,
because
I
really
needed
an
answer
to
know
who
you're
going
to
be
gifting,
that
to
in
order
to
understand
this
land
swap.
X
The
land
swap
comes
after
approval,
but
the
land,
the
the.
When,
if
the
projects
are
approved,
then
we
will
come
back
with
the
land
swap
information
and
in
essence,
what
happens
is
the
equivalent
city
land,
which
is
the
corner
lot,
and
the
two
lots
that
go
on
Darrow
that
go
north
of
the
alley.
That
square
footage
will
be
moved
to
the
west
and
the
church's
square
footage
will
be
moved
to
the
east.
AI
Thank
you
so
so
it's
possible
I
mean
we
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
be
funded.
Is
there
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
Mr,
Cummings
or
Miss
flax?
If
you
could
identify
I
assume,
there's
a
contingency
in
here,
I
went
through
it,
I
didn't
see
it
on
initial.
Read
that
this
is
all
contingent
upon
a
land.
Swap
is
that
in
there
I
I
didn't
see
it,
but
I
could
have
missed
it.
There's
a
lot
to
read.
AI
AI
It
is
okay,
no
that's
what
I'm
sure
it
is
I
just
was
asking
if
you
could
I
just
I
just
read
through
it
before
coming
this
evening.
I
didn't
see
it
that
condition.
AI
So
I
mean
we
could
end
up
I'm
sure
we
will
I'm
sure
you
all
will
approve
this
I
I
certainly
can't
get
behind
this.
This
is
way
too
vague
and
I
feel
the
residents
of
the
Fifth
Ward
have
not
been
I.
Don't
think
this
has
been
given
the
the
due
attention
that
it
should
be
given
both
environmentally
both
with
regards
to
the
community
space,
but
we
could
end
up
with
an
empty
lot.
We
give
away
our
lot.
AI
We
could
end
up
with
nothing
being
built
there,
because
perhaps
the
money
isn't
available
and
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
far
more
carefully
than
we're
looking
at
it.
Currently.
So
I
still
don't
know
to
whom
we're
gifting
the
lot.
AH
I
just
answer
the
previous
question:
what
the
council
is
approving
tonight
is
the
special
use,
the
land
swap.
None
of
it
happens
without
the
council.
Approval
of
special
use.
Laney's
commission
provided
a
negative
recommendation
on
this
item
that
all
of
those
findings
are
laid
out
in
the
ordinance
as
to
why
they
had
a
negative
recommendation
and
I
think
it's
very
clear
in
the
ordinance
that,
but
for
the
approval
of
the
special
use,
then
the
land
swap
does
not
happen
right.
AI
It's
just
not
expel
out
there
so
I
understand
that
going
after
the
fact
we're
going
to
do
this
land
swap
approval
and
we're
going
to
do
a
funding
approval,
but
this
special
use
is
contingent
upon
that.
So
yeah
I
have
very
serious
concerns
about.
What's
going
to
happen
to
this
very,
very
special
block
of
the
Fifth
Ward
and
I,
you
know
I'm
very
concerned
that
we're
doing
this
I
feel
in
a
way
that's
backwards,
so
I
cannot
support
this.
Thank
you.
AO
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
and
I'm
going
to
speak
more
to
this
on
the
next
item,
but
it's
difficult
to
have
these
discussions
because
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
thrown
out
and
it's
it's
hard
to
keep
track
of
it
and
people
hear
one
thing:
they
think
it's
true
a
lot
of
times.
It's
not
it's
I'm
trying
to
find
a
better
way
to
do
this
movement
forward,
but
all
of
what
the
master
plan
calls
for,
which
is
what
director,
Flags
just
communicated,
is
being
addressed
through
this
proposal.
AO
The
plan
calls
for
an
iconic
building,
I've
heard
on
the
corner,
where
we
currently
own
land
and
I've
heard
community
members
repeatedly
say
it
calls
for
an
iconic
building.
Well,
there's
an
iconic
building
going
there,
that's
the
church,
it
meets
the
standard,
it
called
for
retail
ground
floor
retail.
That's
what
we're
putting
in
I've
heard
that
repeatedly
come
up
time
and
time
again
we
want
retail
you're,
getting
retail
I
want
it
too.
That
was
one
of
the
conditions
I
had
to
even
feel
comfortable
forwarding
this
to
the
community.
AO
To
weigh
in
on
is
that
we
make
every
attempt
to
for
a
local
priority,
I
say
every
attempt,
because
ultimately,
it's
Hud's
decision
to
approve
and
that
we
get
back
ground
floor
retail.
Why
did
I
say
that?
Because
we
we've
lost
a
lot
in
the
Fifth
Ward
due
to
storefront
churches
and
not-for-profits,
so
it
it's
almost
like
I'm
hearing
the
same
things
constantly
repeated
back
to
me
that
are
my
position
on
these
issues
and
I've
advocated
for
them
and
they
are
in
place.
AO
I
also
just
want
to
emphasize
that
the
church
currently
owns
land,
so
no
matter
what
they
end
up
with
land
in
this
area
they
own
land,
it's
not
we're,
not
giving
them
anything.
If
anything.
What's
really
happening
is
we're
kind
of
gifting,
this
hodc
in
a
sense
because
they're,
the
ones
who
don't
have
land
currently
right,
the
land
that
the
church
currently
owns
is
equal
to
the
land
that
the
city
owns.
AO
So
all
they're,
getting
all
they've
agreed
to
do-
is
hey,
we'll,
we'll
swap
land
so
that
we
can
build
our
iconic
Church
in
the
corner,
and
so
it's
really
hodc
and
the
affordable
housing
that
benefits
from
the
Swap
and
benefits
from
the
land
donation
and
so
we're
getting
33
units
of
affordable
housing.
If
we
approve
it
from
agreeing
to
do
this
land
Swap
and
then,
if
the
church
is
successful,
we
also
get
an
iconic
building
and
not
a
storefront
church,
but
an
iconic
building
on
the
corner
that
meets
the
standard
of
the
West
Evanston
plan.
AO
So
I
too
also
care
about
the
the
planning
processes
that
preceded
me.
We're
sticking
to
it
and
especially
with
the
iconic
building
and
I
think
the
spirit
of
it
in
terms
of
height.
The
current
zoning
call
for
47
feet.
I
made
an
amendment
and
now
it
said
47
feet
so
happy
to
to
clarify
anything
else,
but
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
Sir.
Thank
you.
A
AI
A
I'll,
give
you
just
a
few
seconds
to
make
a
brief
last
Point
before
we
move
forward.
AO
I
don't
know
I
do
that
wrong
button,
the
order
of
things
just
who's
gonna,
get
it
first
and
then
how's
the
swap
I
think
that's
the
question
that
councilmember
Kelly
wants
to
understand.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
ultimately,
the
church
will
end
up
with
the
light
on
the
corner
and
hodc
will
have
the
lots
that
the
church
currently
owns
and
what
we're
getting
out
of
it.
Gifting
to
towards
this
project
is
33
new,
affordable
housing.
A
X
A
AJ
Just
point
of
clarification,
because
this
is
the
land
use
commission
recommended
denial,
then
so
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
project
is
to
vote.
A
AH
I
would
not
do
that,
but
no,
you
are
correct.
Okay,
thanks
all.
AA
A
AO
AO
So
I
just
wanted
to
this
just
kind
of
to
the
community
that
you
know
this.
This
is
a
project
both
of
these
proposals
for
projects
that
started
before
my
time
in
office,
and
so
there
were
meetings
and
discussions
with
the
community
that
happened
even
before
I
was
in
office
and
when
I
got
in
office,
I
picked
up
on
that
held
three
town
halls,
two
of
which
were
at
the
church,
Mount
Pisgah
and
one
of
which
was
a
Fifth
Ward
meeting
a
dedicated
entire
War
meeting.
Just
to
speak.
AO
Talking
about
this
issue,
hodc
flyered,
the
area
on
one
occasion
to
notice
for
the
meeting
there
was
a
sign,
obviously
put
up
part
of
the
I,
think
land
use,
noticing
requirements
and
I've
had
many
many
many
kind
of
small
group
and
individual
meetings
about
this
issue,
and
maybe
for
the
first
time,
I,
don't
know
some
of
the
council.
AO
Members
have
been
on
for
a
while
because
let
me
know,
but
also
posted
poster
boards
in
our
rec
centers
in
the
Fifth
Ward,
with
a
picture
of
the
project,
all
the
information,
how
many
three
bedrooms,
what
the
cost
would
be
with
comic
cards,
so
that
anybody
can
reach
out
at
any
point
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
was
that
we
were
putting
it
in
the
way
of
people
that
would
most
most
likely
benefit
from
this
type
of
project
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
got
some
really
good
responses
from
that.
AO
So
we
have
done
Community
engagement
around
this
I've
also
heard
people
say
well,
I
didn't
you
know,
find
out
about
it
to
the
land
use
commission
process.
We
held
three
other
meetings.
There
were
people
who
live
on
the
Block
that
were
there
I,
don't
know
why
they
were
seem
to
be
more
motivated
to
organize
people
once
there
was
an
opposition
to
it
because
they
were
there,
they
could
have
easily
encouraged
the
neighbors
to
go.
I,
don't
think.
Maybe
they
did
that
I,
don't
know
why.
AO
But
we
did
do
our
part
in
whole
Community
meetings,
but
formally
the
land
use.
Commission
is
the
part
of
the
process
where
the,
where
formerly
the
community
is
engaged,
it
used
to
be
Dapper.
That
was
a
you
know,
kind
of
an
external
public-facing
meeting
and
I
think
earlier
on.
AO
We
took
that
to
an
internal
meeting,
but
that
is
formally
the
the
first
time
in
the
sense
the
community
is,
is
welcomed
into
this
project,
so
even
that
you
were
able
to
participate,
there
is
a
good
thing
and
in
fact
raditza
you'll
remember
on
our
first
call
when
we
talked
I
invited
you
to
the
land
use
commission
meeting,
because,
even
though
we
disagree
I
believe
in
the
public
process,
I
wanted
you
to
participate.
I
told
you
about
the
meeting
when
it
was
date
time
and
wanted
you
to
participate
because
I
believe
in
it.
AO
What
we're
seeing
having
issues
with
is
disagreement
not
that
I'm
not
listening,
but
we
disagree
and
that's
okay.
It
should
be
okay
every
time
somebody
residents
come
up
here
and
speak
and
hopefully
I'll
be
allowed
to
go
a
little
bit
over
time.
Colleagues,
I
I
take
notes
so
I.
It
is
very
important
that
I
track
all
the
issues
that
people
have
who
may
not
agree,
but
where
there
is
agreement,
I
look
into
them
and
so
just
to
go
over
a
few
people
talked
about
hype.
AO
I
also
had
a
concern
about
height
for
separate
reasons,
not
because
of
the
height
itself,
but
just
because
ahead
of
the
the
our
comp
plan,
I
didn't
think
it
was
a
great
time
to
be
going
five
stories
when
the
spirit
of
the
zoning
calls
for
47
feet.
I
made
the
amendment
based
on
how
I
feel,
but
also
what
I
heard
from
the
community
on-site
property
manager
was
not
initially
planned
for
this
project.
What
was
initially
planned,
and
this
was
presented,
as
fact
that
it
that
the
maintenance
person
has
not
yet
been
approved.
AO
That
was
that's
actually
not
a
fact.
The
fact
is
that
it
has
been
approved.
The
unit
has
been
approved
by
Ida
to
be
taken
offline,
so
that
a
maintenance
person
who
lives
in
the
facility
can
can
serve
that
building.
That
has
already
happened
where
you
probably
got
mixed
up.
Is
that
hasn't
been
approved
for
319
Dempster,
but
that
has
been
approved
for
church
Enduro.
AO
The
property
manager
was
a
new
development
again
based
on
what
I
was
hearing
from
the
community
concerns
about
crime
and
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we
routinely
hear
about
when
it
comes
to
affordable
housing.
Even
though
I
don't
even
necessarily
agree.
There's
a
correlation
I
still
responded
to
it
by
working
with
Richard
to
make
sure
that,
in
addition
to
the
maintenance
person
that
will
live
on
site,
that
there
is
a
property
manager
that
all
that
is
headquartered
an
office
out
of
this
center
right.
That
was
not
originally
in
the
plan.
AO
The
retail.
The
last
meeting
was
at
1200
square
feet
very
uncomfortable.
Why?
Well,
let's
reference
what
I
said
before
it
was
really
important
to
me
to
support
this
project
that
we
added
retail
because
we've
lost
it,
not
just
in
generally
in
the
fifth
War,
but
specifically
along
the
Church
Street
Corridor.
So
what
did
we
do?
We
went
back
to
the
drawing
board.
We've
gone
from
1200
to
now
about
2200
plus
square
feet
of
ground
ground
for
for
retail
and
I've
consulted
with
people
in
Economic
Development.
AO
They
say
that
is
more
than
enough:
it's
not
a
huge
space,
but
it's
more
than
enough
for
nice.
You
know
coffee
shop,
you
know
think
tables
with
two
chairs
on
each
side,
a
few
of
those
and
a
nice
kind
of
coffee
shop.
You
know
breakfast
sandwiches,
coffee,
Donuts
Etc,
which
is
what
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
call
for
so.
AO
Appreciate
it
please
I'm
gonna
wrap
it
up,
and
this
is
important.
I,
don't
think
we'll
probably
have
too
much
discussion
outside
of
myself
and
councilmember
Kelly,
possibly
so,
there's
yeah
so
I'm
trying
to
answer
all
the
questions
so
I
can
allow
her
to
do
her
thing.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
I
never
said
that
319
Dempster
didn't
have
challenges.
AO
In
fact,
Richard
Koenig
was
here
today.
The
executive
director
of
hodc
has
always
said
that
this
is
his
most
challenging
property.
So
not
only
have
I
did
I,
never
I,
never
communicated
that.
He
hasn't
from
the
very
first
time
that
I've
talked
to
Richard
about
319
Dempsey
Street.
He
has
admitted
taking
full
accountability
that
it
is
my
most
challenging
property.
So
what
happened?
Well,
there's
been
a
four
building
inspection
there's
been
cooperation
from
hodc
with
our
emergency
responders
that
led
to
the
arrest
that
a
gentleman
during
public
comment
made
talked
about
earlier
right.
AO
There's
there's
been
an
agreement
right
which
we're
going
to
solidify
that
today
to
enter
into
a
conversations
with
Metropolitan
tennis
organization
who
we
contract
with
to
help
with
landlord
intended
disputes
and
the
tenants
and
the
city
and
I
invited
some
other
community
members
who
live
around
the
area
who
have
concerns
to
participate
in
a
Improvement
plan
that
that
hodc
will
have
to
do
last
thing
I'll
say
is:
is
that
again,
I've?
AO
Never
I
never
said
there
was
an
issue
with
319
and
ever
since
this
I've
learned
about
this,
both
from
councilman
Kelly
but
also
Richard
Kanan,
because
he
called
me
about
some
issues.
He
was
dealing
with
and
asked
for
my
help.
I've
I've
worked
I've
tried
to
do
my
best
to
work
with
Richard
and
councilman
McKelly
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
AO
What
this
is
the
last
thing,
I'll
say:
chronic
issues
typically
involve
more
than
one
facility,
so
if
there
was
a
pattern
that
this
was
an
issue
across
the
entire
hodc
portfolio,
that
is
another
issue.
I
have
not
seen
that
and
I've
said
that
repeatedly
what
I've
seen
is
we
have
one
building
where
there's
really
big
issues.
AO
Historically,
as
well,
because
I've
heard
from
my
colleague,
councilmember
Wynn
Etc,
and
we
need
to
deal
with
it
and
I
felt
that
way,
the
entire
time,
but
I
have
not
seen
any
evidence
of
a
chronic
issue.
A
chronic
breakdown
in
management
of
hodc
and
I
still
haven't
received
any
any
anything
during
public
comment
as
well.
We
have
a
building
and
there's
a
problem.
We
need
to
address
it.
I'll
hold
there.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
go
over
time.
AI
Thank
you
first
I'd
like
to
say,
I,
think
this
topic
is
very
apropos
of
the
fair
housing
month,
given
particularly
that
the
residents
of
319
and
Claridge
have
been
treated
so
incredibly
unfairly
for
so
many
years
that
I'm
I'm.
You
know
I'm
glad
we
can
focus
on
that
this
evening,
because
it's
been
tremendous
since
I
got
elected,
I
have
heard
complaints
from
a
handful
of
residents
over
and
over
again
I
have
been
met
with
unresponsiveness,
with
almost
dismissiveness
from
Mr
Koenig
I.
AI
Immediately
in
21
we
set
up
a
meeting
with
councilmember
when
I
we
met
on
the
phone.
We
had
a
conference
call
nothing
changed.
I
set
up
a
subsequent
meeting
later,
with
Mr
Koenig
and
Ms
flax.
Nothing
changed
again.
Evictions
were
ongoing,
people
were
getting
beat
up,
taken
out,
aggravated
battery,
broken
bones,
lacerated
faces
drug
dealing
on
and
on
it's
gone
on,
and
nothing
was
changing,
even
though
there
were
promises
made
so
until
I
see
something
in
place
in
that
building.
I
cannot
support
this
project.
AI
I
stand
I,
have
the
back
of
my
residence
before
I
have
Mr
koenigs
back
or
yours,
with
all
due
respect.
Councilmember
Burns
I
want
to
see
safe
living
space
over
there
and
it's
not
enough
that
he
acknowledges
that's
a
problem
place
for
me.
What
does
that
mean
to
me?
If
you
don't
resolve
it
and
there
has
been
no
effort,
there
has
been
nothing.
We
in
fact
this
taxpayers
paid
to
have
a
bathroom
installed
in
there.
Many
years
ago,
long
before
I
was
elected
so
that
there
would
be
on-site
management,
but
there
still
is
not.
AI
And
yes,
finally
now
thank
you
city
manager,
Stowe
I've,
I,
asked
him
I
said:
can
we
like
just
pay
for
this
to
get
some
Management
in
there?
That's
what
it's
going
to
take,
but
I
still
and
I
even
told
city
managers
Stowe
this
evening.
Don't
leave
it
to
Mr
kanig
we're
going
to
have
to
make
sure
we
get
that
in
there,
because
I
have
seen
no
response.
He
should
be
just
I
mean
I
spent
about
two
hours
there
on
Friday
and
I
left
in
tears.
AI
Hearing
the
stories
from
the
residents
and
everyone
connections
for
the
homeless
and
hodc
should
know
better
than
anybody
else
for
those
residents
to
come
out
and
speak
about
the
horrors
of
the
living
conditions.
There
takes
a
lot
of
courage
and
that's
very
rare.
So
I
applaud
those
residents.
I
have
a
few
a
handful
of
others.
Who've
issued
statements
from
there
I'm
one
who
has
a
very
dear
friend.
He
actually
lives
in
a
Pearlman
one
of
his
best
friends.
An
elderly
woman
lives
there
and
he
said,
he's
afraid
to
even
stand
outside
of
the
building.
AI
He
worries
very
much
about
the
safety
of
his
friend
who
lives
there,
not
just
her,
but
he
in
fact
he
said
he
worries
about
the
whole
building.
Another
Resident
said
wanted
me
to
make
sure
it
was
known:
extra
Kevin,
Melvin
McCullough
there
who,
who
is
a
security
officer
who
offered
many
months
ago
to
do
security
there,
but
said
nobody
responded
to
his
offer.
He
said
he
thinks
it's
incredibly
important
to
have
eyes
on
there
in
a
sense
of
security
around
that
building.
He
says
at
night
the
place
is
like
an
open
house.
AI
People
come
in
and
block
the
doors
and
leave
them
open,
giving
everybody
acts
the
public
access
all
night
I'm,
not
reading
all
these
comments
in
their
entirety.
Another
Resident
said
that
that
you
know
someone
there's
nobody
in
there
to
to
to
stop
the
loud
noises,
the
slamming
doors,
the
crazy
music
that
it's
just
unbearable
to
live
there
and
I
could
go
on,
and
you
know
we
met.
I
insisted
on
a
meeting
when
I
first
met
with
Mr,
kanig
and
I.
You
know
tried
to
try
to
ascertain
what's
causing
the
problem.
AI
We
need
to
resolve
this
because
I
can't
have
my
residents
living
in
fear
and
that's
how
they
live.
There
I
mean
I
left
in
tears,
hearing
about
the
stories
about
and
and
many
people
just
think
that
there's
a
lot
in
life
and
they're
just
supposed
to
live
that
way
and
Daniel
biss
and
Luke
Stowe
heard
you
know
for
over
an
hour
an
accounting
of
what
it's
like
living,
that
building
I
hope.
You
were
moved
enough
to
Now
understand
why
something
needs
to
be
done.
AI
I
hope
you
were
I,
hope
you
have,
that
humanity
and
I
I
believe
you
do,
but
something
absolutely
needs
to
be
done
and
at
least
to
to
respect
for
all
of
our.
You
know:
rhetoric
about
caring
for
our
low
income
and
our
vulnerable
people,
at
least.
Let's
please
hold
off
on
this
until
we
see
actually
a
plan
in
place
activated
evidence
that
there
has
been
Improvement
in
that
building.
AI
Otherwise,
if
this
is
to
just
disregard
what
our
residents
have
been
going
through
over
there,
we
should
absolutely
wait
until
that's
in
place
and
I
I.
It's
just
absolutely,
and
then
you
know,
I
also
concur
with
many
of
the
residence
concerns.
Also
that
things
have
been
happening
on
the
Fly.
I
would
never
accept
this.
In
my
word
to
have
buildings
lowered,
you
know
units
reduced
commercial
space
reduced
without
going
back
to
land
use.
Commission.
AI
You
know
you
can
say
Ms
flax,
that
it's
not
a
PD,
because
it's
in
an
overlay
District,
that's
just
semantics.
This
should
go
back
to
land
use.
Commission,
so
I
also
feel
badly
for
the
residents
that
I
feel
like
the
process
hasn't
been
fair
to
them
either.
So
you
know
I,
there's
no
way.
I
can
support.
This
I
feel
terrible
for
What.
AI
The
residents
have
gone
through
for
so
many
years
in
that
building-
and
you
know
and
again
you
can
see
see
over
a
hundred
emails
between
missed
Koenig,
where
I've
said,
hey
that
it's
going
on
again
and
he'll.
AI
Look
in
his
camera
and
say:
oh
yeah,
I
see
it
I'll
send
someone
over
and
I
have
felt
like
the
building
manager
that,
if
I'm
not
every
day,
emailing
or
telling
him
to
look
in
his
cameras
or
have
someone
look
in
his
cameras,
it's
Mayhem,
but
it
is
anyway
because
obviously
I
can't
do
that
so
I
mean
this
has
just
been
a
train
wreck.
It's
been
horrific
for
the
residents.
AI
Something
has
to
be
done
and
minimally
pleased.
Can
we
hold
off
on
this
out
of
respect
for
those
residents
out
of
our
concern,
for
these
residents
are
low
income,
vulnerable
residents
who
live
in
this
building
and
please
hold
his
feet
to
the
fire
and
make
sure
that
we
see
something
in
place
immediately
at
319
Dempster,
the
Claridge
before
we
approve
any
further
development
so
and
by
the
way,
we're
talking
about
gifting
public
land,
we're
talking
about
giving
away
four
million
dollars
to
Mr
to
the
hodc
project
as
well.
AI
A
That
I
I've
been
I've,
been
a
generous
here
but
you're
way
over.
O
A
D
A
Motion
is
the
motion
from
council
member
Burns
is
to
to
support
the
purchase
of
Meridian
barricades
for
special
event.
Support.
Is
there
a
second
second
council
member
Harris
seconds?
Is
there
any
discussion
council,
member
Reed.
D
Well,
actually,
at
first
I,
don't
know:
if
councilman
did
you
have
you're
the
person
I
think
who
pulled
this
off?
Yes,
I
did
can
I'll.
Let
you
go
first
and
then
make
my
comments.
C
I
I
think
we
need
some
barrier
some
of
these
barriers.
I
think
this
would
be
money
well
spent
I'm,
just
not
sure
we
need
as
many
as
we're
contemplating
here
we're
contemplating
60,
which
eats
up.
You
know
600
000
of
our
dwindling
arpa
budget,
and
so
the
the
cost
is
something
we
have
to
be
very
cognizant
of
so
I
would
appreciate
a
snapshot
into
where
we're
at
with
arpa
what's
been
allocated.
What
pending
requests
might
be
in
the
pipeline,
so
we
can
make
a
fully
informed
decision
here.
X
Six
million
three
hundred
ninety
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
twenty
three
dollars
unallocated.
Officially
at
the
meeting
on
the
13th
of
May
March.
Excuse
me:
there
were
a
number
several
I'm.
X
Million
three
hundred
ninety
three
thousand
323.-
maybe
we
can
enlarge
that.
X
It's
just
a
single
PDF,
so
there's
not
showing
any
way
to
enlarge
it.
We
had
some
of
the
things
that
council
members
had
identified
a
high
interest
in
funding
at
that
last
meeting,
included
Evanston
tribes,
business
district
and
that
is
working,
I,
think
sort
of
yeah
I,
don't
yeah
right.
X
One
of
the
other
things
discussed
is
a
million
and
a
half
for
the
HOV
hodc
development,
also
a
million
and
a
half
for
the
addressing
Health
inequities
and
lower
income,
neighborhoods
and
300
000
for
safety
improvements
to
crosswalks.
No,
that
won't
those
weren't
absolute
that
they
weren't
voted
on.
But
those
were
ones
things
that
when
we
looked
at
the
number
of
people,
AV.
X
Anderson's
doing
it
remotely
so
those
items
collectively
that
had
been
discussed
would
have
used.
X
Would
have
not
well
I'll
just
say
would
not
have
used
up
the
entire
amount
of
arpa,
but
would
have
not
left
enough
to
do
the
to
fund
the
berry
barricades
at
the
amount
we're
talking
about.
However,
there
is
additional
arpa
related
money
that
we
haven't
discussed
in
the
past,
and
that
is
our
arpa
funds.
Sitting
in
our
account
are
now
gaining
significant
interest,
because
interest
rates
are
up,
so
we
have
at
least
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
arpa
interest,
which
significantly
changes.
The
picture
and
I.
X
Think
well
certainly
gives
me
the
confidence
to
say
that
the
priorities
that
had
been
discussed
in
the
past
could
still
be
funded
and
a
significant
amount
could
be
made
for
a
commitment
could
be
made
to
the
barricades
without
endangering
those
commitments
or
those
projects
in
which
the
council
had
expressed
interest.
C
This
year,
so
the
middle
column
estimated
budget,
the
total
of
those
items
is
eight
million
hundred
sixty
three
thousand
dollars.
Yes,
we
have
remaining
in
the
bank,
six
million
eight
hundred
and
ninety
three
thousand,
including
interest.
M
AA
X
To
be,
the
priorities
was
significantly
less
than
that
it
was.
The
3
million
for
Evanston
thrives
a
million
five
each
for
housing
and
for
the
Health
inequate
to
address
Health
inequities
and
300.
C
000.,
so
maybe
we
can
stretch,
you
know
we
can
absorb
the
nineteen
thousand
dollars
somewhere,
but
if
we
devoted
the
entire
requested
amount,
613
000
to
the
Meridian
barriers,
we
would
not
be
able
to
do
items
F
through
m
correct.
Okay,
so
that's
the
you
know,
that's
the
information
I
was
looking
for
here.
So
thank
you
for
for
providing
this
so
that
living
room,
mental
health
and
some
TBD
numbers,
small
business
assistance
and
Workforce
Development
and.
AM
C
All
right,
that's
informative.
You
know
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
right
number
is.
I,
don't
think.
60
is
it's
where
we
need
to
be
on
this,
so
I'm
hoping
the
other.
Somebody
else
has
an
informed
number
that
they
can
justify
with
some
something
other
than
just
a
finger
in
the
in
the
wind
and
a
in
a
wild
guess,
I'm
happy
to
make
that
wild
guess.
A
The
next
speakers
or
council
members
read
and
when
I
would
maybe
respectfully
suggest
that
if
we
come
to
a
point
of
making
a
wild
guess,
maybe
we
should
hold
off
for
two
weeks
and
figure
out
a
way
to
make
a
non-wild
guess.
A
C
D
Thank
you,
I
put
my
finger
in
there
and
I'm
not
feeling
anything
yet
so
I
don't
have
a
wild
number
I
would
support
holding
this
I.
D
I,
you
know
I've
heard
this
presentation
from
from
Audrey
or
from
director
Thompson
and
Sergeant
Sophia
a
few
times
both
in
Economic,
Development
I
believe
they
came
to
I
guess
it
was
just
Council
the
next
time
so
a
few
times
for
this
I
I
am
I'm
I'm.
Not
supportive
of
this
I'd
be
supportive
at
a
much
lower
number.
I
honestly
I
wonder
if
this
is
something
good
to
kick
over
to
our
participatory
budgeting.
If
the
community
sees
this
as
a
priority,
I
I
personally,
don't
see
this
as
a
priority.
D
I
think
we
can
spend
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
Workforce
Development
on
health
issues,
on
providing
housing
stability,
a
whole
host
of
things
that
make
our
community
much
safer
and
much
more
accessible
in
reality
than
than
this
and
I
know
that
there
are
discussions.
It's
it's
been
raised
and
I
hear
it
that
you
know
potentially
deploying
these
barriers.
You
know
could
be
easier
than
deploying
big
dump
trucks
and
and
other
things,
I
I
think
we're
it's
the
the
gift
and
the
curse
of
curse
of
the
modern
world.
D
There's
a
lot
of
information
I
think
we
live
in
a
I
think
we
know
too
much
and
we're
aware
of
things
that
are
happening
miles
and
miles
away
that
get
in
inside
of
us
and
and
make
us
feel
like
the
world
is
a
much
scarier
place
than
it
really
is,
and
I
just
I
see
so
many
real
issues
that
are
happening
here
on
the
ground
that
to
me
this
isn't
a
good
use
of
fun,
so
I
would
be
supportive
of
in
fact,
so
I'll
just
make
the
motion,
because
I
think
that
mayor
this
is
correct.
D
In
that
you
know
we
should
come
back
with
a
another
number,
although
I
do
recall
it
one
of
these
committees
or
one
of
the
Committees.
This
was
discussed
at
I,
believe
councilmember,
nusma
or
when,
or
someone
made
a
motion
to
reduce
this
amount,
then
or
certainly
indicated
that
it
would
be
reduced,
and
so
I
I
don't
see
that
reflected
here
and
so.
D
AM
AJ
Well,
I
do
see
the
value
of
these
and
I
think
that
there
are
actually
a
really
good
solution
for
a
com
for
a
very
complex
problem.
We've
been
putting
up
barriers
around
special
events
and
for
years,
partly
just
to
stop
just
the
random
driver
who
isn't
paying
attention,
and
you
know
what
we
do
need
is
to
have
something:
that's
movable,
that's
quickly,
quickly,
Deployable
and
that
isn't
one
of
our
big
snow,
plows
or
dump
trucks.
AJ
So
I'll
I'll
put
my
finger
in
the
wind
and
say
I
think
we
should
have
30
of
them
and
that's
not
60,
that's
30,
and
that
allows
us
to
do
Fountain,
Square
events
and
some
of
the
other
events.
But
it's
it's
not.
You
know
it's
not
the
60.
AJ
That
would
cover
our
largest
events,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
some
of
these
to
to
act
as
good
barriers
around
the
the
events
that
actually
the
Evanston
thrives
report
is
telling
us
we
should
have
more
of
so
I
I
suggest
that
we
purchase
30
of
them.
Then
that
does
leave
more
money
for
Workforce,
Development
and
all
of
the
other
things
as
well.
A
That
case,
could
you
put
that
in
writing?
Councilman
councilmember
Wynn
moves
to.
A
D
AP
Sure,
good
evening,
Sergeant
Scott
safier
Evans
Police
Department
good
evening,
mayor
biss,
the
manager
still
members
of
council
at
the
prior
meeting.
We
did
state
that
when
the
Meridian
company
had
come
out
to
the
holiday
Tree,
Lighting
Event
and
a
couple
other
events
at
Fountain
Square
to
secure
Fountain
Square
required
18
barriers
yeah.
There
are
other
events
that
are
listed
within
the
packet
as
we
gave
examples
of
small,
medium
and
large
scale.
Events
throughout
the
city,
not
just
at
Fountain
Square.
AP
That
would
potentially
require
any
number
of
barriers,
starting
as
low
as
eight
or
nine
up
to
several
dozen.
For
some
of
the
events
that
would
really
just
be
once
a
year
type
events
or
even
such
that
may
not
even
occur.
That.
L
AP
But
for
the
Fountain
Square
events
would
be
approximately
18
for
the
events
that
Encompass
a
larger
part
of
downtown
Evanston.
Then
that
number,
of
course,
would
increase.
A
Yeah,
my
email's
not
working
perfect
okay,
so
the
motion
has
been
sent
to
me
and
I'll
not
afford
it
to
all
the
city
council
council
member
Revell,
followed
by
Harris
Mr
Thompson.
Did
you
want
to.
AS
Yes,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
that
the
30
means
the
30
barriers,
plus
the
equipment
and
the
carriers
that
go
along
with
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
everything
that
would
would
Encompass
the
30.,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and.
AP
The
trailer
kits
are
sold
to
where
there
would
be
eight
and
you're
able
to
transport
eight
barriers
on
one
trailer,
so
just
to
give
a
quick
example.
If,
if
we
were
to
purchase
16
of
the
barriers,
there'd
be
two
trailers,
there's
of
course
an
option
to
purchase
additional
barriers,
yet
still
only
keep
a
certain
number
of
trailers.
So,
for
example,
you
could
purchase
two
trailers
that
are
capable
of
carrying
ADH
but
purchase
the
larger
number
of
barriers.
AP
What
that
would
mean
logistically
is
that
staff
would
then
have
to
go
back
to
the
storage
location
after
dropping
off
the
first
set
to
pick
up
more.
It
would
simply
add
some
time
but
you're
not
making
the
purchase
of
the
additional
trailers
yet
you're,
still
getting
the
barriers
necessary
for
the
events.
D
Like
to
make
one
last
pitch,
maybe
we
reduce
that
number
to
24.,
so
we
have
an
even
that
fits
perfectly
on
the
trailers.
We
have
to
have
people
go
back
and
forth
and
we
can
save
a
couple
quite
a
bit
of
money.
AN
Well,
just
really
briefly,
one
point
that
hasn't
been
raised
that
I
gathered
from
the
memo
was
that
there'd
be
quite
a
bit
of
Savings
in
you
know
in
staff
time,
so
you
know
we
could
we
could
we
had
all
the
time
in
the
world
tonight
we
could
say:
okay,
we'd,
be
saving
this
much
money
from
salaries,
but
I'm
not
going
to
ask
us
to
do
that,
but
I
I
mean
I.
Think
this
is
these
barriers
sound
like
a
really
good
investment
to
me.
AG
AP
It's
my
understanding
with
the
government
set
fixed
pricing,
the
per
barrier
pricing
or
the
pricing
for
the
other
equipment.
I,
don't
want
to
speak
out
of
turn,
of
course,
but
I
don't
believe
that
it
does
I
believe
those
prices
for
the
government
purchases
are
set
and
it
would
simply
lower
it
by
that
per
per
barrier.
Number.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
no
one
is
asking
the
speaker
for
a
first
time,
so
we
go
to
council
member
read
with
two
minutes:
20
seconds
left.
D
You
know
what
the
per
unit
price
may
be,
and
so,
with
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
it
would
be
consistent
of
past
practice
of
this
Council,
if
only
just
to
hold
it
until
the
next
meeting
to
have
concrete
information
about
what
the
new
cost
will
be
and
I
am
actually
truly
interested
in.
Not
that
I
think
it's
going
to
persuade
anybody
necessarily,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
good
metric.
You
know
what
is
the
the
estimated
staff
time
that
we're
saving
in?
AS
So,
looking
at
all
of
our
special
events,
we
are,
we
are
happy
to
go
with
the
24
and
actually
two
trailers.
D
AF
AJ
I
would
amend
my
Amendment
or
my
amend
my
motion.
My
most
and
I
have
to
write
this
out.
I
have
to
send
this
to
everyone
that
we
purchase
and
I
will
write
this
down,
that
we
purchased
24
barriers
and
two
trailers
and
a
gate,
Bean
or,
and
all
the
other
equipment
that
goes
along
to
make
sure
make
this
useful.
A
Council
member,
when,
let's
just
say
I,
don't
know,
let's
make
it
clean
withdraws
for
previous
Amendment
and
now
moves
to
amend
ed1
so
that
30
barriers
and
two
sorry
24
barriers.
Thank
you.
I
apologize,
24
barriers,
two
trailers
and
the
gate,
beam
and
other
necessary
accoutrement
are
are
purchased
and
I.
Believe
councilmember,
Harris,
seconded
and
I
think
sounds
like
we're.
Gonna
have
broad
agreement
on
this
as
soon
as
it
comes
in
over
the
transom.
C
I
just
ask
director
Thompson
to
confirm
my
math
here
so
24
trailers
at
are
barriers
at
9015.
Each
is
216
360
dollars
and
then
two
trailers
at
71
400
each
is
a
hundred
and
forty
two
thousand
one.
Eighty
add
those
two
numbers
together
and
the
total
price
is
then
359.
160.
AP
I
know
I
am
not
director
Thompson.
However,
if
I
could
step
in
to
help
answer
this
question
we
were
discussing
this
earlier.
There
was
a
previous
quote
as
part
of
the
packet
of
multiple
quotes,
with
the
different
numbers
of
barriers
that
had
come
through.
One
of
the
quotes
was
250
000
and
some
change
for
the
16
barriers,
the
two
trailers
and
the
beam
gate
to
add
the
additional
eight
in
speaking
to
Meridian
staff.
AP
The
cost
for
the
additional
just
eight
barriers,
plus
the
shipping,
would
add
approximately
52
to
53
000
to
that
quote.
So,
therefore,
that
250
000
would
become
approximately
302
to
303.
A
Thank
you.
The
motion.
The
amendment
has
been
sent
to
everyone
Cena
for
the
discussion
with
the
clerk.
Please
take
the
role
on
the
amendment
with
the
24,
the
two
and
the
additional
necessary
stuff.
AP
B
Council
member
Burns
council
member,
oh
my
God
I'm
missing
in
like
half
of
the
people
up
here:
council,
member
aye,
councilmember,
Reed,
aye,
council,
member
aye,
council
member
Kelly,
council
member
Harris.
A
With
six
voting
in
favor
and
unvoting
against
the
motion
carries
an
81
is
amended.
Now.
Would
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll
on
ed1
as
amended
with
these
new
lower
numbers.
A
A
C
AN
D
We
missed
our
first
eighth
Ward
meeting
last
month.
We
will
continue
on
our
regular
schedule,
beginning
or
continuing
this
month.
Our
regular
award
meeting
beyond
the
last
Thursday
of
the
month
at
6
00
p.m.
D
Looking
forward
to
seeing
residents
there,
we
have
director
Thomas
representatives
from
the
police
department
officer,
Brooks,
coming
out
who's,
our
Ward
officer,
as
well
as
staff
from
the
one
Howard
project,
which
is
in
response
to
the
rise
Grant,
so
really
exciting,
stuff
being
discussed
there
as
well,
is
having
representatives
from
ok
dispensary
in
West
Town
Bakery
coming
in
for
the
newly
proposed
dispensary
Bakery,
that's
coming
to
Howard
Street.
Looking
forward
to
this
discussion.