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A
You
are
all
being
recorded,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
will
call
the
september
23rd
meeting
of
the
design
project
review
committee
to
order
first.
Item
of
business
is
very
suspension
of
real
quick
for
everybody
staff.
Please
keep
your
cameras
on
non-staff
applicants.
Kindly
turn
your
camera
off
until
you
and
mute
yourself
until
your
item
is
called
and
is
there
a
suspension
of
the
rules
for
us
to
participate
electronically.
C
D
D
E
A
Sounds
good
all
right
next
up
meeting
minutes
of
september
9th
is
there
a
motion
approved.
E
E
E
F
A
Okay,
so
motion
passes.
We
will
I'd
like
to
switch
the
two
items
of
new
business
and
take
300
maple
avenue,
1701,
maple
avenue
and
909
davis.
Us
the
proposed
signage
first.
So
mike.
Could
you
kindly
scroll
to
that
section?
Are?
Is
the
applicant
on
the
call
for
mccaffrey
interests.
E
A
Great,
so
megan
is
that
you
do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
and
your
colleagues
as
we
get
to
the.
H
Sure
sure,
my
colleagues
on
kim
slitaris
and
amy
schultz
we're
all
representatives
of
mccaffrey
the
property
management
company
for
church
street,
plaza.
H
Okay,
I
can
get
started
through
the
proposal,
so
we're
looking
to
update
the
signage
at
church
street
plaza.
As
you
know,
churchy
plaza
is
comprised
of
three
buildings:
1701
maple
1700
maple
and
the
retail
level
of
909
davis.
H
So
currently
there
is
a
pylon
sign
located
across
the
sort
of-
I
guess
just
south-
of
the
1700
maple
building
we're
looking
to
remove
this
current.
This
pylon
sign
that
currently
identifies
the
retailers
of
church
street
plaza
and
then
update
the
property
with
a
more
clearly
visible
retailer
wayfinding
signage
across
the
property.
H
H
So
the
purpose
would
just
be
for
for
consumers,
visitors
the
property
to
locate
the
specific
store
that
they're
looking
for
clearly
and
easily,
but
also
as
a
means
of
sort
of
tying
the
three
disparate
pieces
of
the
property
together
and
identifying
them
as
one
unified
center.
H
It
also
help
us,
you
know,
boost
leasing,
efforts
to
again
to
identify
the
the
center
as
sort
of
one
destination.
Considering
right
now,
the
the
current
signage
is
just
one
major
one
main
pole
sign
these.
These
are
sort
of
in
the
map
on
the
final
page
of
the
proposal
is
a
map
of
where
those
wayfinding
signs
would
be
located.
H
We
have
identified-
and
I
believe
my
colleague
kim
sluteris
who's,
the
property
manager
she's
on.
I
think.
H
Kim
if
you'd
like
to
explain
sort
of
so
one
of
the
the
is
it
these
wayfinding
signs
again
they're
located
sort
of
along
the
property
lines.
And
but
we
want
to
be
clear
about
sort
of
the
the
how
those
sidewalks
would
be
maintained.
I
So
so
so
megan,
let
me
take
over
here
from
here.
So
so,
basically
you
know
these
weight.
Finding
signs
are
going
to
take
over
for
the
pie
line,
sign
that
is
currently
existing
on
the
corner
of
of
church
and
maple.
That
is
going
to
come
down,
and
these
taiwan
signs
will
be
there's
five
locations
along
the
property,
and
you
know
one
of
the
issues
is,
you
know,
maintenance,
and
so
we
currently
remove
the
snow
and
sweep
the
sidewalks.
So
there
should
be
no
additional
maintenance
around
these.
These.
I
These
wayfinding
signs,
you
know-
and
you
know,
we've
church
street
plaza
has
been
struggling
with
leasing
and
so
we're
hoping
that
by
by
refreshing,
our
brand
and
our
marketing
that
we
could
bring
some
life
to
the
center
and
one
of
those
things
is
to
help
draw
attraction
to
our
tenants
by
making
them
a
little
bit
more
known
through
these
wayfinding
signs.
I
A
Gary,
why
don't
you
walk
through
your
memo,
a
little
bit
for
for
everybody
in
case
they.
J
Haven't
read
it
in
a
while,
I
think
it'd
be
yeah
best.
We
can
just
hit
these
one
at
a
time
so
for
the
directional
signage
sign
code
does
allow
for
site
information
signs,
directional
signs.
The
understanding
is
these
would
be
placed
in
the
public
way
and
that
is
not
allowed
by
ordinance
without
dapper
approval.
So
these
would
these
this
installation
would
go
against.
J
You
know,
like
I
said:
the
public
works
ordinance
wouldn't
allow
that
for
this
type
of
installation
on
our
public
sidewalks,
so
that
that
is
really
the
main
obstacle
that
you
know
the
applicant
is
is
seeing
on
this.
These
directional
sites.
K
Questions
guess
I
have
concerns
about
those
similar
to
our
economic
development
manager
shared
some
concerns
that
these
buildings
are
visible
from
the
public
way.
They're,
not
you
know
off
an
alley
or
inset
off
a
private
street
in
some
way,
so
I
don't
see
the
need
for
wayfinding
signage
to
storefronts
that
are
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
putting
those
on
the
putting
that
way.
Finding
signs
on
the
public
way
if
the
city
would
come
up
with
a
downtown,
wayfinding
signage
and
pointing
to
points
of
interest
on
the
public
way.
K
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
usage
of
signage
but
pointing
to
to
private
businesses
that
are
already
visible.
I
don't
see
the
need
for
that.
B
I
actually
just
think
it
dilutes
the
value
of
the
other
signs,
the
other
items
that
are
there.
I
also
agree
that,
particularly
for
storefronts
that
are
facing
the
public
way,
it
isn't
really
that
complicated
to
find
them.
Everybody
has
apple
maps
pretty
much
or
google
maps
that
they
can
utilize
to
find
specific
stores
that
they're
interested
in
and
when
you
walk
by
them
or
drive
by
them.
We
do
allow
building
face
signage,
which
is
pretty
prominent,
so
I
also
am
not
in
favor
of
the
post-mounted
directional
signage.
L
I'll
jump
into,
I
am
yeah,
I'm
really
not
supportive
of
these
directional
signs.
The
process
seems
a
little
backwards
to
me.
I
guess
the
typical
way
this
would
occur
would
be
for
the
city
to
put
together
a
family
of
wayfinding
for
the
downtown
and
a
directional
sign
may
say.
Church
street
plaza
this
way,
but
I
think
it's
a
little
strange
to
have.
M
L
I
mean
ingrid
couldn't
go
ahead
as
she
wants.
I
that
was
basically
it.
I
just
think
it's
a
little
backwards.
I
don't
see
you
know
the
chili's
being
this.
This
element
that
we
should
be
directing
people
to
individual
storefronts
I'd
be
supportive
of
a
you
know,
downtown
wayfinding
package
with
a
family
of
elements,
but
I'm
not
supportive
of
this.
A
Yeah
we
use,
we
do
have
that
we
did
pay
to
have
consultants,
prepare
a
plan
of
a
wayfinding
signage
plan
for
us
and-
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
determined
we
wouldn't
implement
it,
because
the
thresholds
for
the
visitor
number
visitors
was
so
large
for
to
install
a
sign
that
really
we
were
only
drop.
We
were
talking
about
driving
traffic
to
northwestern.
C
C
I
just
want
to
you
know
echo
pretty
much
what
everybody
else
said
also,
I
believe
signs
like
this
would
just
take
away
attention
from
the
two
traffic
signs
that
we
have
out
there.
The
more
signs
we
put
up
you
know
people
will
be
disregarding
the
traffic
control
signs.
A
A
Yes,
correct,
okay,
all
right
any
other
staff
comments,
so
I
think
you
know
I
think,
generally
we're
not
for
mcafee
we're
not.
We
would
not
be
in
support
of
this
particular
item.
A
I
think
the
other
issue
is,
you
know,
we've
seen
things
installed
in
areas
and
then
ownership
changes,
time,
marches
on
and
the
maintenance
that
you
may
give.
It
may
not
be
a
future
maintenance
that
is
applied,
so
stores
change,
and
then
then
we're
left
as
a
city
having
to
determine
what
happens
to
the
signage
and
remove
it
and
deal
with
that.
Those
changes
to
the
infrastructure.
I
Sure
this
next
one
is
a
just
trying
to
identify
church
street
plaza
because
there's
three,
you
know:
there's
people
don't
really
know
that
it's
it's!
It's
three
united
buildings
church
street
plaza.
So
you
know
we
have
this.
This
prominent
area
that
we'd
like
to
put
just
put
up
a
sign
that
says
church
street
plaza
it's
a
black
lettering
that
will
be
illuminated
white
in
the
evening.
J
J
A
Okay,
any
questions
or
comments
from
staff.
I
think
this
is
this
fits
in
with
with
the
plan
of
unifying
and
aligns
with
our
overall
goals
and
and
the
way
we've
treated.
Other
buildings
like
this
before.
L
J
Yeah,
my
only
comment
on
that
would
we
have
had
other
illuminated
signs
where
we
have
dictated
hours
of
operation
on
that
illumination.
So
that
could
be
something
that
we.
A
I
Certainly,
we
are
open
to
to
whatever
hours
that
you
would
be
agreeable
to.
Obviously
you
know
with
the
black
letters
at
night.
You
know
once
it
gets
dark,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
them.
So
maybe
we
put
a
limit
on
it
to
like
you,
know,
10
o'clock
or
whatever
works
and
is
comparable
to
other
buildings.
N
I
I
actually
don't
mind
this
one,
even
with
the
illumination,
if
it's
if
it
goes
off
at
10,
I'd
be
okay
with
that
I'd
like
this
a
little
bit
better
than
I
think
the
northwestern
medical
had
two
signs
on
the
building
across
the
street
that
were
essentially
just
logos,
but
I
think
this
would
serve
a
good
purpose
and
is
not
a
glaring
super
bright
out
of
place.
Kind
of
sign
for
this
location.
I
One,
so
this
one
is
a
vinyl
graphic.
We
have.
We
have
a
glass
facade
above
the
north
corner
of
our
building
that
faces
the
evanston
parking
garage
that
right
now,
it's
just
plain
glass,
there's
nothing
on
it
and
you
know,
as
as
part
of
our
refresh
of
our
branding
of
the
building,
to
try
and
and
refresh
and
revitalize
this,
this
shopping
center.
I
You
know
this
is
just
one
thought
of
another
way
for
people
to
know
that
this
is
church
street
plaza
it's
it's
just
a
vinyl
covering
on
top
of
some
glass,
and
you
know
so
you'd
be
able
to
see
it
from
the
street
and
also
from
you
know,
a
lot
of
people
who
come
and
go
from
the
parking
garage.
A
E
A
K
Yeah,
I
also
have
concerns
with
putting
signage
on
this
vertical
element
on
the
building.
This
element's
repeated
on
both
clark
street
side,
where
you've
got
stairwells,
where
it's
there's
transparent
windows
and
then
further
south
on
maple.
There
are
two
additional
vertical
glass
elements
there.
So
I
think
this
really
architectural
element
to
the
building
and
putting
signage
on
it
kind
of
detracts
from
the
premises
building
and
using
these
areas
to
break
up
the
brick
building.
A
I
What,
if
we
change
the
graphic
on
it?
What
if
we
instead
of
saying
church
street,
we
changed
it
to
something
else
or.
A
I
think
we
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I
think
maybe
I
would
suggest
that
you
work
with
cade
sterling
on
this,
to
think
about
how
we
we
activate
that
corner,
but
do
it
in
a
way
that
would
be
more
appropriate
for
the
scale
of
this
of
the
street
there.
Okay,
I'm
sorry!
I
just
volunteered
you
but
yeah.
L
I
Yeah
we
okay,
so
over
at
church
street
plaza.
We
currently
have
banners
that
are
existing
in
those
locations.
We
just
want
to
to
replace
them
with
newer,
updated
banners.
I
The
tenants
no
longer
exist
because
they
do
have
some
tenant
names,
so
we
just
want
to
replace
them
with
with
something
with
our
refreshed
marketing
branding,
and
you
know
just
make
sure
that
they're
all
existing
and
replace
the
ones
that
have
been
taken
down.
A
B
I
I
do
feel
like
the
banners
are
really
just
replacing
the
existing.
I
do
think
it
should
be
coordinated
with
a
corner
graphic.
If
that
is
the
route
we
end
up,
going,
I'm
not
really
fond
of
putting
the
tenant
names
on
the
banners
in
general.
First
of
all,
if
you're
looking
for
the
tenant
you're,
not
looking
at
the
banner,
usually
you're
looking
at
the
storefront,
so
I
don't
think
it's
really
helpful
and
often
it's
hard
to
read.
F
I
Don't
have
them
so
it's
just
more
of
a
you
know.
A
church
street
plaza
banner
versus
a
tenant
banner.
B
Now,
the
building
across
the
street
that
has
banners,
I
think
that
say,
northwestern
medicine
or
something
something
related
to
the
medical
office
building,
would
those
be
replaced
or
would
they
stay
the
same.
I
You
know
what
I
I
don't
know
how
to.
I
can't
answer
that
question
at
this
time,
because
you
know
what
that
hasn't
been
brought
up.
So
I'd
have
to
take
a
look
at
what's
existing.
F
A
Okay,
all
right
any
any
further
comments
from
staff,
or
I
think
we'd
be
looking
for
a
motion
for
the
one,
the
illuminated
channel
letter
center
sign
and
then
a
no.
I
guess
a
no
on
and
we
could
just
you
just
know
that
we're
on
no
on
the
on
the
finger
post
sign
and
then
we'll
come
back
on
the
facade
signage.
So.
J
Well,
this
is
the
ubc,
so
this
is
a
business.
This
is
the
plan,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
piecemeal
this.
So
I
would,
I
would
suggest,
to
the
applicant
that
they
come
back,
exclude
the
directional
sign,
there's
no
support
for
the
directional
signage
and
then
work
with
kate
on
both
the
identification
sign
on
the
opposite
end
where
the
glass
is
and
the
banners
and
then
we
look
at
this
one
more
time
with
those
three
items
instead
of
the
four.
A
Okay,
let's
then,
why
don't
you
make
a
motion
to
hold
all
right.
J
Motion
to
hold
hold
this,
and
if
you
can
have
this
back
to
us,
you
know
we'll
we'll
be
meeting
next
wednesday,
so
that
provides
enough
time
for
you
to
do
it.
A
Okay,
okay,.
O
A
Okay,
michael,
please
call
the
roll.
A
F
E
F
D
Jones
hi
sterling
hi,
okay
in
terms
of
next
week's
dapper,
I'm
off
on
friday,
so
the
sooner
you
can
get
this
the
better
meaning
tomorrow.
I
Okay,
you
know,
if
it
you
know,
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
revised
drawings
and
work
with
kade.
I'm
I'm
gonna,
probably
assume
that
it's
not
gonna
be
tomorrow,
but
hopefully
we'll
have
something
ready
for
next
week.
For
the
following
meeting
sounds
good.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you!
So
much
everybody.
We
appreciate
your
guidance.
I
A
You
all
right
next
up,
2211,
maple
avenue,
paul
harb
applicant,
submits,
submits
for
building
sorry
2211
maple
avenue,
paul
harp
applicant
submits
for
building
permit
to
construct
a
new
four-story
multi-family
residential
dwelling
with
12
dwelling
units
and
off-site
parking
in
the
r5
general
residential
district,
and
I
just
I
just
saw
him
re-enter
the
room.
So
paul.
Are
you
in
the
room
in
the
zoom
room?
Great
all
right?
So
why
don't
you
walk
us
through
your
project?
We
have
it
on
the
screen.
A
Second,
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
and
give
us
an
overview
of
your
proposal.
P
So
I
think
I'm
joined
here
with
my
construction
manager
and
the
architect
who
was
preparing
an
introduction
about
the
change
and
it's
it's,
mr
adam
wilmot,
so
I
prefer
if
they
take
over.
This
sounds
good.
Q
D
F
Q
Now
it's
a
12
unit,
four-story,
building
aesthetically,
essentially
the
same
design
is
what
we
had
presented
previously.
There's
a
change
of
cladding
material
from
we
had
originally
presented
a
zinc
panel
as
a
kind
of
as
a
primary
cladding
material,
and
that's
been
changed
to
a
cementitious
panel
board.
It's
a
a
rain
screen
panel
beyond
that.
Q
The
other
change
that
we've
made
between
the
previous
zapper
meeting
and
what
we're
showing
today
is
the
trash
collection
has
been
relocated
from
being
internal
and
accessed
from
the
public
la
to
the
north,
to
being
an
external
trash
enclosure
accessed
from
the
public
alley
to
the
east.
Q
Other
than
that,
you
know,
there's
all
the
same
amenities
are
are
in
the
building.
We
still
have
excessive
bike
parking
well
beyond
what
is
required
by
the
the
zoning
ordinance
we've
gone
above
and
beyond
in
terms
of
landscaping,
both
in
the
front
and
rear
yard.
There
is
a
a
privacy
fence
at
the
rear
yard
of
the
property.
I
think
we
we
presented
that
previously
as
well
and
then
there's
a
seating
area
that
might
be
slightly
smaller
than
what
was
previously
presented.
Q
With
regard
to
wine,
like
a
garden
wall,
we
previously
proposed,
like
a
you,
know
three
and
a
half
foot
or
four
foot
tall
masonry
wall,
but
that's
not
permitted.
So
we,
we
kind
of
scaled,
that
back
a
little
bit,
there's
an
access
path
along
the
south
end
of
the
property.
Q
I
don't
call
it
approval
with
with
dapper,
but
the
previous
support
we
do
have.
I
guess
I
should
mention
that
we
do
have
water
detention,
so
I'm
sure
ingrid
will
will
bring
that
up.
I
don't
know
if
stormwater
has
already
been
approved.
Q
Q
Q
So
I
I
think
from
there
we
would
just
open
it
up
to
questions
and
comments,
and
let
us
know
what
what
you
guys
think.
K
Sure,
just
a
couple
of
questions,
the
you
know
you're
doing
the
james
hardy
panels,
the
the
size
of
those
panels
and
then
the
color.
Q
Q
Oh,
that
is
a
older
rendering
of
the
building,
but
on
the
right
hand,
side
the
accent
metric
shows
it
correctly.
So
it's
a
it's
a
varying
size
panel,
sorry
and
I'll,
correct
myself.
It's
a
two
foot
by
eight
foot
or
one
foot
by
eight
foot
panel
oriented
horizontally
and
it's
there
it's
a
hardy
board
reveal
system.
Q
K
K
Elevations
listed
that
material,
the
coloring
is
to
be
selected.
Do
you
know
what
what
color
that's
going
to
be.
Q
K
Okay
and
then
what
is
the
capacity
of
the
bike
room?
How
many
bikes.
Q
I
don't
have
that
right
off
hand.
Ben
westergard
is
a
project
manager
from
our
office
on
this
ben.
I
believe
you're
on
the
call.
Do
you
recall
exactly
the
number
of
bicycles
that
we're
fitting
into
that
room.
Q
D
F
D
B
And
how
many
car
spaces
parking
spaces
are
being
provided
as
part
of
this.
Q
F
B
So
one
of
my
concerns
actually
is
the
appearance
of
this
building.
If
you
look
on
the
street,
the
buildings
are
shockingly
similar
to
each
other.
They
are
all
with
small
bricks,
very
similar
style
built,
and
then
the
houses
do
look
somewhat
different
from
that.
But
I,
this
building
is
just
a
very
different
style
of
architecture.
Q
Well,
some
of
the
things
that
we
did
to
to
mitigate
that
and
to
relate
is
to
look
at
the
the
the
belt
lines
and
the
and
the
base
of
the
building.
So
we
you
know
yes,
we're
we're
an
unabashedly
modern
design,
but
the
the
pedestrian
level
of
the
building
aligns
with
the
buildings
both
to
the
north
and
south
of
us.
Q
The
height
of
the
buildings
are,
are
comparable
and
then
we've,
you
know
it's
true
we're
not
a
brick
building.
You
know
I'm
not
going
to
to
to
say
that
we
we
are
something
that
we
aren't,
but
I
I
think
you
know
perhaps
more
importantly,
the
the
design
was
was
pretty
heavily
vetted
with
with
the
community
prior
to
coming
to
to
dapper.
It
was
vetted
with
the
community
and
the
aldermen
prior
to
going
in
front
of
the
zba.
Q
It's
been
vetted
by
the
zba
that
the
community
has
weighed
in
pretty
heavily
on
it,
and
we,
I
can't
say
that
we
had.
You
know
100
support
by
all
neighbors
on
the
block,
but
the
aesthetics
of
the
building
weren't
didn't
seem
to
be
the
concern.
It
was
always
the
density
and
the
scale
of
the
building,
so
I
think
we've
done
a
really
good
job
of
working
with
the
community,
working
with
the
department
of
planning
and
coming
up
with
something
that
that
we
feel
does
fit.
L
I'll
jump
in
really
quick
and
say
that
I
agree
with
you
adam.
I
think
this
building
is
contextual
to
its
neighbors
in
its
mass
and
its
bulk,
and
then
I
also
I
would.
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
it
is
authentic
in
expression.
It's
a
contemporary
building,
it's
of
its
time
and
I
think
it
is
appropriate.
I
support
the
project.
I
wish
it
was
the
bigger
version.
I
liked
it
when
it
was
a
little
denser,
but
it's
a
good
problem.
Q
G
I've
got
I've
got
a
few
questions
and
I
apologize
for
not
having
been
around
at
some
of
the
earlier
reviews
of
the
project,
so
I'm
the
chief
sustainability
and
resilience
officer
for
the
city,
so
I've
got
some
questions
about
energy
and
building
layout,
and
things
like
that.
So
one
one
question
is
just
the
what's
the
age
of
the
existing
building.
That's
on
the
property.
Do
you
know
when
that
building
was
built
about?
P
Existing
I
do
so.
According
to
the
to
the
listing
I
have
on
the
mls,
it's
it's
another
hundred
year
building,
so
it's
1920.
great.
D
G
Yeah
pretty
appreciate
that
that's
sort
of
what
I,
what
I
thought
and
one
of
the
suggestions.
G
You
know
the
construction
materials
that
I
would
love
to
see
them
weigh
in
on
whether
or
not
they
think
this
would
be
a
good
candidate
for
deconstruction.
G
You
can
get
a
little
bit
of
a
flavor
for
that
on
the
the
new
ywca
renovation
that
they're
doing
they
did
have
the
evanston
rebuilding
warehouse
in
there
doing
some
deconstruction
prior
to
the
the
build
out
of
that
space,
and
so
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
candidate
for
that
and
would
really
like
to
see
and
I'd
be
glad
to
make
the
introduction.
G
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
developer
reach
out
to
evanson
rebuilding
warehouse
and
get
a
and
have
them
provide
you
or
this
committee
with
an
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
they'd
be
interested
in
deconstruction
prior
to
demolition
for
the
property.
P
No,
I
mean
we
we
well.
I
welcome
this
idea
and
I
do
we.
We
had
done
work
before
with
the
with
your
organization,
so
we
will
reach
out
to
them.
G
Excellent
and-
and
I
will
say
that
I
I
will
be
looking
for
a
formal
communication
from
you-
know-
follow
up
on
this
one,
because
I
do
think
this
is
a
really
great
candidate
for
that
that
type
of
project.
O
J
Just
on
that
I'll
interject
that
that
demolition
permit
is
a
separate
permit
and
we
have
seen
evanston
rebuilding
warehouse-
do
an
increase,
increasing
number
of
deconstruction
projects
over
the
last
few
years,
so
they
have
handled
the
permit
process
for
the
applicant
or
the
applicant
can
handle
it
themselves.
G
Excellent,
that's
great
thanks
gary
one
of
my
other
questions
is
is
about
the
parking,
so
you
mentioned
it's
off-site
and
that
it
does
include
potentially
one
or
two
electric
vehicle
charging
pieces
of
equipment.
Is
there
going
to
be
the
capacity
to
increase
the
number
of
stations
for
if
there
are
only
there's
one
station
and
two
hoses?
Are
you
going
to
be
able
to
in
a
couple
years
when
there
are
more
electric
vehicles
on
the
road
be
able
to
increase
the
number
of
stations
there
without
upgrading
the
electric
service.
Q
Currently,
as
currently
as
planned,
I
don't
think
that
we've
pulled
a
permit
to
to
install
new
electrical
service
unless
paul
you've
done
that
separately.
So
it's
actually
needs
to
be
done
under
under
a
future
permit.
But
we
can
certainly
look
at
at
installing
a
large
enough
service
because
it
will
be
a
separate
service
from
the
building
right
because
you're
on
a
totally
separate
piece
of
property.
G
Q
So
at
a
minimum
it
would
be
relatively
simple
to
upgrade
the
service,
but
we
haven't
looked
at
at
exactly
how
large
of
a
service
we
need
for
more
than
than
two
cars.
Q
I
would
say
that
if
it
can
be
done
to
provide
up
to
six
or
seven
cars
under
a
relatively
standard
200-
or
I
don't
think
a
200
amp
service
will
do,
but
a
400
amp
service
is
probably
affordable
for
a
project
like
this.
Q
I
think,
once
we
get
into
six
and
eight
or
over
a
thousand
amps,
then
it's
probably
cost
prohibitive
and
there'd
have
to
be
some
sort
of
return
on
that
investment
for
paul
right,
there'd
have
to
be
some
incentive
in
terms
of
how
much
those
those
spaces
or
how
much
the
units
get
rented
for
in
order
to
to
pay
back
a
service
of
that
size.
Q
But
I
don't
think
it's
unreasonable
to
say
that
putting
in
like
a
400
amp
service
which
might
get
you
as
many
as
you
know,
50
of
the
the
parking
could
be
electric
charging
right.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
reasonably
consider.
G
Okay,
yeah.
I
would
appreciate
your
your
follow-up
opinion
as
to
what
you
think
the
in
your
opinion.
Those
are
reasonable.
G
Reasonable
level
of
services
for
for
future
stations,
that
would
be
very
helpful.
I've
got
another
a
question
internally.
I
appreciate
the
layout
of
the
waste.
You
know
the
waste
sorting
area
where
you've
got
compost,
recycling
and
garbage.
I
didn't
see
any.
I
assume
the
way
that
people
get
their
waste
out
of
their
unit
is
just
walking
it
down
or
or
just
carrying
it
out
through
the
elevators.
Is
that
correct.
G
Great,
that's
fine!
So
then
my
other
questions
is
is
related
to
the
rooftop,
so
the
the
image
we're
looking
at
right
now,
if
I'm,
if
am
looking
at
this
correctly,
it
looks
like
you've
got
a
nice,
north,
south
or
orientation
here.
So
you've
got
a
lot
of
potentially
south
facing
roof,
so
this
view
makes
it
look
like
your
roof's
wide,
open
and
there's.
G
I
assume
there
are
some
protrusions
somewhere
for
events
and
things
like
that,
but
I
would
str
I
would
love
to
see
solar
on
this
building
solar
pv.
In
particular.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
candidate
for
it.
I
don't
think
there
is
shading
to
the
south.
G
G
I
don't
know
the
anticipated
start
date
for
this
project,
but
there
is
still
a
federal
tax
credit
for
solar
and
there
are
state
level
solar,
renewable
energy
credits
that
would
be
available
for
private
ownership
of
solar
as
well.
Q
Yeah,
so
we
we
investigated
the
possibility
of
putting
solar
up
on
this
roof
extensively.
We
were
in
conversations
with
comed
about
it.
We
reviewed
it
with
our
electrical
engineer
and
with
our
structural
engineer,
I'd,
let
mark
kind
of
speak
to
it
more
specifically,
but
it
the
where
we
kind
of
landed
on
things
right
now
in
terms
of
the
the
return
on
the
investment
is
that
it
will
likely
be
something
that
that
would
probably
return
a
better
investment
in
the
future
than
it
will
right
now
during
construction.
Q
Q
That
you
want
to
add
to
that.
I
mean
it's
a
while
ago
that
we
went
through
the
exhaustive
exercise
of
figuring
out
whether
or
not
this
made
sense
just
wanna
make
sure
I'm
not
forgetting
anything
that
we
that
we.
G
Reviewed
well,
if
mark
doesn't.
Q
Yeah,
well,
I
think
he
does.
We
just
can't
hear
him
mark
your
your
microphone's,
not
working
he's
he's
not
a
mute
but
you're
all.
P
P
Yeah,
so
it's
something
that
we
could
consider
doing
in
in
the
in
the
future
and,
as
you
said
adam,
we
made
the
structural
design
in
a
way
that
we
could
upgrade
into
that
in
the
future.
But
for
now
we
looked
into
into
this
and
and
we
we
do-
we
do
need
to
further
study
it
to
see
if
we
we
can
go
for
this
option
off
the
bat.
P
So
it's
still
under
under
our
radar
and
we
can't
further
communicate
about
that.
G
F
G
However
long
we
think
this
building
is
going
to
be
here,
the
city
has
a
carbon
neutrality
goal
community
wide
by
by
2050
and
100
renewable
energy
goal
by
by
2030,
and
so
properties
like
this,
in
my
opinion,
need
to
be
planning
and
integrating
those
goals
into
their
building
design,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
you
are
exploring
it,
but
I'd
really
love
to
find
a
way
to
make
it
happen.
Q
All
right,
well
again,
the
the
building
is
designed
to
be
able
to
to
take
the
panels
up
onto
the
roof,
so
we
are
planning
for
the
future.
It
really
comes
down
to
a
question
of
of
making
it
financially
viable
under
the
financing
of
the
project,
but
we
we
are
not
being
short-sighted
about
it.
Q
Q
Ours,
however,
is
and
our
roof
specifications
the
the
membrane,
the
insulation,
all
of
that
is
being
specified
to
be
able
to
to
handle
the
the
photovoltaic
racking
so
again,
if
it
can
be
done
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
the
the
building
is
designed
to
to
have
it
added
to
it,
with
no
other
alterations.
O
Adam-
just
I
just
to
remind
you,
not
only
did
we
increase
the
load
carrying
capacity
of
the
roof,
but
we
specified
electrical
conduits
open
electrical
conduits,
going
from
the
roof
to
the
switchgear
room,
and
we
we
confirmed
that
the
switchgear
room
would
have
additional
space
for
any
panels,
so
the
building
will
be
able
at
any
point
to
have
the
pv
cells
installed
and
that's
just
a
decision
that
I
think
is
currently
being
discussed
with
with
paul
and
myself,
and
you
know
everybody
else
involved,
so
it
can
be
done
and
it
wouldn't
be
any
additional
changes
that
would
have
to
really
be
made
other
than
adding
the
solar
cells.
I
R
Any
other
questions
I
I
do.
I
would
recommend
that
you
have
bike
parking
in
the
front
of
the
building
for
guests
you're
very
near
noise.
Street
noise
is
very
heavily
over
parked,
with
bicycles,
they're
being
locked
up
to
signs
and
whatever
people
can
lock
them
up
to,
because
biking
seems
to
be
a
focus
in
that
bike
room.
I
would
also
recommend
having
gas
parking
for
bicyclists.
Q
Okay,
I
think
that
we
can
probably
find
a
way
to
do
that,
there's
a
little
bit
of
yard
space,
but
to
look
at
what
what
planning
allows
for,
in
terms
of
where
you
know
additional
bike
parking
can
be
located.
Does
evanston
allow
that
to
be
just
done
in
the
parkway,
even
off
their
property,
but
in
front
of
the
building,
or
would
we
need
to
provide
something
say
in
the
front
yard.
B
Probably
not
no
I've
if
we
were
to
allow
if
we
were
to
place
public
bike
parking
in
the
public
way,
and
we
would
typically
require
it
to
be
sort
of
just
open
general
bike
parking
not
dedicated
to
this
building,
which
I
think
may
not
be
a
big
issue
for
the
building.
But
then
it
also
just
becomes
kind
of
something
for
the
city
to
maintain.
So
I
think
it
gets
to
be
a
little
bit
more
complicated
when
we
do
that.
Q
Q
The
the
rear
yard
here
is
a
communal
space,
so
it
may
be
less
convenient
for
people
to
park
their
bikes
back
there,
but
it's
actually
likely
more
secure
for
for
a
guest
to
to
leave
their
bicycle
in
a
area.
That's
a
little
bit
more
out
of
view,
there's
also
the
possibility
that
it
could
work
out
for
them
to
to
leave
bicycles
inside
the
building.
Q
So
presumably,
we
have
excessive
bicycle
parking
inside
the
building,
but
I
think
we'd
be
open
to
providing
you
know
at
least
a
standard.
You
know
outdoor
bike
rack
in
the
rear
yard,.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
it's
fair
to
say
that
you
have
excessive
bike
parking,
I'm
assuming
that
the
units
themselves
might
have
more
than
one
person
in
them
and
so
where
I
think
that
you're
sort
of
considering
12
to
be
the
break
even
number
of
bike
racks
in
reality.
Maybe
24
is
the
break-even
number
of
bike
racks.
B
So
I
understand
jessica's
concern
about
wanting
to
provide
some
access.
Bicycle
parking
that
is
a
little
bit
more
accessible
and
obvious
to
the
guests,
just
not
quite
sure
how
to
pull
it
off
in
the
front
yard.
On
the
public,
parkway.
Q
Right,
which
you
know
so
the
the
space
that
we
do
have
to
kind
of
to
give
away
is,
in
the
rare,
I
think
doing
something
off
of
the
the
alley
may
be
an
appropriate
solution
and
and
what
I
meant
by
excessive
is
excessive
in
terms
of
the
zoning
ordinance
we
are
exceeding
what
your
zoning
ordinance
requires
us
to
provide.
R
I
I
would
not
recommend
placing
a
bike
rack
in
the
rear
at
the
alley.
There
are
fewer
eyes
at
that
location
they're.
Just
there
aren't
people
walking
down
the
sidewalk
driving
down
the
street.
F
R
A
much
more
likely
place
for
bicycles
to
be
stolen,
and
so,
if
you
were
gonna
place,
I
guess
bike
parking.
I
would
recommend
it
at
the
front.
R
Q
To
the
the
public
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
building
right,
no,
we
are,
I
mean
other
than
any
standard
required.
Patching.
Okay,.
R
I
was
just
checking
because
in
in
your
street
view
it
does
not
show
an
accessible
sidewalk
in
the
public
way,
and
so
I
was
just
confirming
that
you're
you're
leaving
everything
accessible.
That's
there.
J
Just
to
come
in
on
the
sidewalk
that
we
do
have
a
fairly
recent
ordinance,
where
the
civil
reviewer
will
visit
the
site
prior
to
construction
activity,
to
assess
the
sidewalk
condition,
and
then
let
you
know
what
needs
to
be
replaced.
J
So
we'll
document
that
and
then
anything
that
needs
to
be
replaced
or
anything
that's
damaged,
would
be
replaced
prior
to
occupancy.
M
J
And
then
just
my
other
is
more
informational,
so
I
know
you're,
you
know
we're
reviewing
the
building
permit
right
now.
Separate
permits
are
required
for
water,
sewer,
water,
sewer,
disconnect
fire
systems
any
right-of-way
permit
and
the
construction
fence.
They
are
not
included
in
your
building.
Permit
those
are
separate
permits
that
will
be
reviewed
and.
Q
Q
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
we'll
we'll
look
at
at
both
yeah.
I
don't
think
it's
a
big
ask:
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
major
money
issue.
I
I
just
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
sacrificing
significant
amounts
of
the
landscape
design
that
we
have,
but
I'm
sure
we
could
find
a
way
to
to
do
something
sensitive,
maybe
right
about
where
the,
where
it
says,
concrete
barrier
curb
and
base
on
the
the
drawing
that's
up
right
now.
Something
in
that
sound
might
might
work
out.
Okay,.
A
I
had
one
question:
have
you
looked
at
turning
radius
is
in
the
radii
in
the
where
the
alley
t's,
because
that
it
looks
I
mean,
and
when
you
go
back
there,
it
looks
like
some
trucks
have
gotten
a
little
mangled
as
they've
made.
That
turn.
Q
A
Yeah
I
mean
like,
if
you
I'm
just
on
google
street
view
you
can
see.
I
mean
I'm
wondering
if
some
of
the
property,
that
is
yours,
isn't
really
being
used
right
now
as
part
of
the
alley,
so
the
the
project's
planned
based
on
a
certain
site,
but
in
reality
we
because,
if
you
look,
the
the
ruts
in
the
alley
are
pretty
pretty
close
to
the
what's
the
what's
existing
there.
Q
There
it
goes
yeah.
Q
Q
J
R
M
E
F
G
Jensen,
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
make
the
caveat
here
that
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
deconstruction,
and
so
I
we're
not
gonna
have
another
opportunity
to
vote
on
this.
Is
that
correct.
J
Okay,
we
could
yeah,
let's
have
a
conversation,
but
we
could
vote
on
this
because
the
demolition
permit
is
separate.
It
has
not
been
applied
for
yet
so
we
could
move
forward
on
this
and
then
resolve
that
concern
with
the
demolition
permit.
Okay,.
B
A
All
right,
let's
do
this!
Let's,
let's
recall
I
forget
what
the
exact
motion
here
is
but
recall
the
vote
and
then
gary
rescind
your
motion
or
kumar
make
a
friendly
amendment
and
then
we
we
have
to
you
know
what
we're
sending
motion,
because
there's
a
lot
of
like
seconds
and
then
sec
voting
on
the
second.
So
let's,
let's
redo
the
the
motion:
how
about
that.
J
Motion
to
approve
a
positive
recommendation
for
a
preliminary
and
final
review,
with
the
condition
that
the
demolition
permit
addresses
the
construction
of
the
existing
structure.
Second,.
F
D
L
K
Michael,
can
you
add
tristan
to
fire.
A
All
right
motion
passes,
we
don't
have
any
other
items,
we
do.
We
have
items
for
next
week,
michael.
D
Yes,
there's
there's
one
item
next
week:
it's
a
a
special
use,
a
recommendation
to
zba
on
a
special
use,
800
green
wood.
I
believe.
K
A
Yeah
we
we've
been
talking
about
that
at
eoc,
so
at
unified
commands.
I
don't,
I
think
it's
there's
still
some
some
things
that
we
have.
I
think
we're
gonna
wait
to
see
what
other
communities
continue
to
do
before
we
do
that
here,
at
dapper,
tbd.
G
Okay,
I
have
another
pot,
just
a
heads
up
item
for
for
a
future
future
meeting
and
that's
that
the
model
building
and
other
codes,
including
the
energy
conservation
code,
will
be
coming
out.
G
This
fall
and
the
office
of
sustainability
will
be
putting
together
a
process
to
engage
stakeholders
around
potentially
a
stretch
code
which
would
be
an
option
to
to
increase
energy
efficiency
for
for
new
buildings
and
new
building
standards,
but
also
looking
at
other
other
things,
such
as
electric
vehicle
charging
requirements,
solar
ready
on
properties,
thinking
about
ways
to
further
encourage
electrification
of
the
building
sector.
G
And
so
I
proposed
to
johanna
that
that
dapper
would
be
involved
in
that
process
and
would
be
one
of
the
primary
bodies
to
to
help
receive
some
of
the
proposed
edits
or
amendments
that
may
be
brought
brought
in
that
process
and
so
I'll
work
with
johanna
to
figure
out
the
best
time
to
to
bring
a
more
robust
item
and
introduction
of
that
process
to
dapper.
A
October,
all
right
great
all
right
thanks
everybody
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
I'll.