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B
So
this
will
be
a
little
bit
choppy
as
usual,
because
we're
splitting
between
digital
and
live
calling
the
role
council,
member
reed.
C
B
I'm
going
to
change
my
verbiage
here,
member
client.
D
E
B
Of
the
community
in.
E
B
Who
would
like
to
make
public
comments.
B
G
Okay,
okay,
good
evening,
members
of
the
evanston
economic
development
committee,
my
name
is
don
ziegler
phd,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
fort
ward
and
I
chair
the
evanston
health
advisory
council
and
chair
of
the
american
heart
association's
illinois
advocacy
committee
on
the
faculty
of
the
uic
school
of
public
health.
G
Tonight
I
speak
in
strong
opposition
to
the
proposal
for
a
hookah
lounge
in
evanston.
Our
city
has
a
long
tradition
of
protecting
and
promoting
public
health.
We
are
a
leader
we
were
a
leader
command
of
tobacco
smoking
in
public
places
years
ago
and
were
the
first
community
in
illinois
to
pass
tobacco
21.
G
Hookah
use
leads
to
cigarette
initiation
and
thus
long-term
addiction,
disease
and
death,
although,
although
many
users
think
a
hookah
is
less
harmful,
in
fact,
hookah
smoke
contains
many
of
the
same
harmful
components
found
in
cigarette
smoke
such
as
nicotine,
tar,
carbon
monoxide
and
heavy
metals.
Because
of
the
way
a
hookah
is
used
in
a
typical
one
hour.
G
G
G
G
G
And
evanston
will
threaten
the
health
of
citizens
and
negatively
affect
their
reputation
as
a
community
and
prioritizes
health
and
equity,
so
are,
are
a
few
extra
bucks
worth
it.
I
say
no
indeed,
in
fact,
maybe
we
should
join
other
communities
across
the
nation
and
actually
totally
ban
flavor
tobacco
products,
or
maybe
even
all
tobacco
did.
We
sell
lead
based
paint.
J
K
Good
evening,
members
of
the
economic
development
committee,
I
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
express
the
concerns
that
I
had
about
the
things
you
were
considering
this
evening.
E
K
In
this
community
that
have
been
marginalized
and
many
times
overlooked,
when
economic
development
has
gone
to
people
to
improve
their
businesses,
yet
depriving
people
who
are
in
a
really
economic
need,
like
small
landlords.
Like
me,
it
is
not
your
business
to
make
developers
rich.
It
is
your
responsibility
on
this
committee
to
look
out
for
the
needs
of
our
citizens.
E
K
L
K
Said
money
should
go
for
people
who
have
considered
or
had
some
kind
of
harm,
what
harm
has
a
developer
had
who's
starting
a
business
as
opposed
to
many
people
like
me,
who
have
lost
18
000
in
income
over
the
last
two
years,
and
no
program
has
been
available
for
a
landlord
like
me
to
compensate
my
losses.
Let's
do
some
economic
development
and
not
mismanagement,
of
community
funds.
M
Okay
good
evening,
everyone
I
would
like
to
speak
about
the
agenda
number,
a
hiring,
a
consultant.
M
M
M
Also.
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
money
for
the
incubator
project
for
37
oaks,
760
thousand
dollars
for
an
incubator
project.
We
just
gave
the
aux
1
million
dollars.
M
M
A
M
A
Much
all
right,
sir,
I
think
I'm
getting
this
first
sheet.
For
goodness,
there.
B
Are
two
more
people
in
person,
annie,
coakley
and
then
sandy.
N
Development
committee
members
in
april
2021,
we
presented
a
document
to
the
committee
titled
evanston's
business
economic
recovery
plan,
a
funding
request
for
growth
and
recovery.
The
key
recommendations
from
this
plan
included
funding
for
creation,
implement
creation
and
implementation
of
an
evanston
brand,
invest
in
the
public
realm
to
create
a
competitive
destination,
enhance
business
attraction
and
retention
efforts,
create
a
long,
lasting
workforce
development
strategy,
rebuild
tourism,
improve
government
service
delivery
and
create
meaningful
partnership.
N
For
recovery
and
new
growth
outlined
in
these
seven
areas
that
will
propose
ways
to
implement
the
plan.
Together,
we
request
that
this
committee
approves
the
funding
for
this
important
work.
Investing
in
the
business
district
strategy
and
implementation
plan
will
set
the
stage
for
an
integrated
approach
to
enhancing
all
of
evanston's
commercial
districts.
N
Several
nearby
communities
have
recently
invested
in
streetscape
and
public
space
investments,
invested
2.9
in
a
new
street
today
plan
and
will
not
invest
a
10
million
in
a
street
state
plan
that
has
bearing
with
a
lot
of
attention.
In
addition,
westfield
ball
evanston's
retail
competition
is
implementing
site
improvements
to
enhance
small
public
realms
and
they've
recently
attracted
several
new
retailers
and
restaurants.
Now
is
the
time
to
invest
in
evanston.
N
We
are
confident
that
interface,
studio,
llc
and
their
team
of
experts
will
provide
a
roadmap
for
commercial
corridors
to
rebuild
individually
and
collectively,
to
create
a
stronger
and
more
unified
evanston.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
This
is
a
joint
letter
by
myself,
annie
coakley,
the
director
of
downtown
edmondson,
catherine
gastick
from
the
maine
just
a
mile,
angela
shaffer,
from
the
central
evanston
business
district,
gina
speckman
from
the
north
shore
convention
and
visitor
bureau,
and
gary
carp
from
the
evanston
chamber
of
commerce.
N
Second,
I
want
to
show
support
for
the
work
of
37
oaks
in
2019.
I
first
hired
37
oaks
and
tran
smith
to
lead
a
capacity
building
workshop
and
I
soon
thereafter
learned
of
the
other
services
that
her
organization
provides.
We
have
been
discussing
these
possibilities
since
2019
and
I
would
love
to
see
a
sakoni
retail
lab
here
in
evanston
to
strategize
in
the
post-covered
world.
N
F
F
I
think
it's
a
on
the
proposals
of
downtown
evanston's
infrastructure
or
the
sorry
proposal
for
a
consultant.
I
think
that
downtown
evanston
is
definitely
one
of
the
engines
of
our
economic.
You
know
of
the
economics
of
evanston.
I've
been
a
business
there
for
13
years
and
I
think
that
it
needs
a
keen
eye
to
understand
some
of
the
problems
that
are
involved
in
activating
such
a
large
downtown
corridor.
There
aren't
single
areas:
if
you
look
to
wilmette,
they
have
just
one
major
cross
section.
J
F
You
could
fit
that
into
almost
any
corner
of
downtown
evanston
and
it
still
wouldn't
have
the
economic
impact
or
the
likely
vibrancy
that
you
would
get
by
doing
it
in
a
smaller
downtown
area.
So
I
think
it's
neat.
It's
you
know
with
a
pennywise
pound
foolish
to
think
of
the
investment
compared
to
the
amount
of
business
that
downtown
does
trying
to
build.
A
vibrant,
downtown
evanston
does
take
a
lot
of
work,
and
I
think
that
this
will
help
benefit
the
downtown
border.
I
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
speak
tonight
in
support
of
whoopsy
daisy,
and
I
think
this
is
a
perfect
spot.
It's
long
overdue.
That
space
has
just
been
waiting
for
an
opportunity.
I
We've
all
been
waiting
for
an
opportunity
like
this
to
have
a
nice
intimate
sweet
little
spot
like
a
light
front
that
isn't
overpowering,
but
it
can
be
a
spot
where
we
can
grab.
I
You
know
flight
breakfast
or
so
I
have
a
glass
of
wine
in
the
heating,
and
I
want
to
give
my
support
to
that,
and
in
addition
to
that,
in
connection
to
that,
I
think
I
would
you
know,
perhaps
being
more
fun,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
growth
that
can
happen
and
when
we
speak
even
in
downtown
evanston
or
even
in
our
neighborhoods
like
here
in
the
second
floor,
you
know:
how
are
we
promoting
local
non-chain
businesses
and
how
are
we
supporting
businesses
so
they're,
not
similar
ones,
on
top
of
each
other,
and
I'm
not
sure
how
that
works
with
economic
development,
how
those
choices
are
made?
M
I
Market
and
who
wants
to
rent
two
and
so
on,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there
should
also
be
a
process
by
which
we're
really
helpful
on
like
where
businesses
place
themselves,
because
it
seems
like
the
competition
or
the
potential
competition
gets
to
be
so
close
that
you
know.
We
see
restaurants
closing
because
there's
something
not
too
different,
not
too
far
away
from
them,
and
I
would
just
hope
that
we're
being
really
sensitive
to
that
and
figuring
that
out,
I
want
a
second
what
sister
sucks
and
mr
hayden.
I
You
know.
I
don't
know
we
hire
lots
of
consultants
for
lots
of
things.
I
think
we
have
an
incredible
talent
in
this
town
and
knowledge
base,
and
we
have
people
obviously
who
know
evanston,
and
I
think
if
we
were
to
get
those
people
in
the
room
and
spend
some
money
on
like
visioning
and
doing
field
trips
to
other
places
and
getting
generating.
E
I
With
the
wealth
of
knowledge
here,
there
could
be
incredible
thing
happening
here
and
in
addition,
I
think
the
unspoken
thing
is
for
you.
I
A
Next,
we'll
have
chateau
followed
by
and
then
jan
albert,
so
yeah,
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
not
announcing
that
correctly.
I
It's
john
paul
good
evening,
city
council,
member
in
the
economic
development
committee,
I'm
shawn
tallahili,
I'm
a
resident
of
evanston.
I've
been
a
resident
for
the
past
10
years
and
I
live
about
across
the
street
from
where
the
cafe
was
originally
england
would
take
place.
I
called
in
last
month
in
favor
of
this
cafe
and
I'm
calling
again
to
reiterate
my
support
as
well
as
to
indicate
the
importance
of
having
alcohol
present
at
the
cafe,
having
a
cafe.
I
That's
outdoors
and
relatively
inexpensive,
equitable,
it's
affordable
and
accessible,
and
allows
more
members
of
the
community
to
dine
in
a
beautiful
outdoor
setting
and
safe.
While
looking
at
the
water
view,
there
are
very
few
places
along
the
lake
to
have
this
opportunity
and
this
would
be
an
equitable,
safe
and
accessible
place
for
all
it's
beneficial
for
the
economy.
It
will
drive
tourism
to
evanston
further,
resulting
in
investment
dollars
being
important
to
downtown
and,
furthermore,
it's
safe.
O
Hi,
this
is
apologies.
P
O
In
the
first
ward,
I'm
a
long
time
first
court
resident,
corrupt
and
I've
been
moved
away
raised.
My
kids
here,
my
wife
and
I
have
been
here
now
20
years
it
has
from
both
of
us
that
having
a
spot
like
a
cafe
in
that
area
would
just
be
a
tremendous
asset,
a
lot
of
our
friends,
my
age,
many
of
whom
now.
E
O
You
know
seeing
their
kids
go
off
to
college
and
careers,
finding
ourselves
going
full
back
when
that
down
highwood
glencoe
andersonville
edgewater.
I
can
remember
not
even
a
handful
of
years
ago,
our
friends
that
lived
outside
of
the
area
were
coming
to
evanston.
That's
no
longer
the
case.
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
with
this
cafe
and
with
being
smart
about
what
we
do
with
development
in
downtown
edison.
If
we
could
create
a
really
successful
path,
I'm
in
agreement
with
trisha
who
spoke
earlier.
O
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
talent
in
this
community,
both
on
a
civic
topic
and
a
development
site
have
to
have
kind
of
a
shared
vision
with
the
public
and
private
sector.
O
O
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
areas
in
downtown
where
you
can
build
an
authentic
sense
of
place,
and
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
focus
here
locally
and
regionally
on
making
our
downtown
stronger
and
more
vibrant,
and
I
do
believe
in
doing
all
this.
You
have
to
engage
our
community
and
you
have
to
engage
some
planners,
some
people
with
experience
and
we.
O
At
areas
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
attention,
you
know,
and
maybe
some
of
that
those
areas
that
again
may
need
an
economic
boost.
We.
E
O
Over
oral,
the
story
is
we
have
the
good
and
skill
set
here
to
make
this
happen,
but
I
again
I
strongly
am
in
favor
of
a
lakefront
cafe
and
more
development
to
our
downtown
area.
Thank
you
guys.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
L
H
L
Good
evening
to
the
company,
I
want
to
start
with
saying
that
I
second
chancell
and
also
the
previous
gentleman
being
strongly
in
favor
of
the
cafe
and
I've
been
a
resident
of
evanston
for
26
years
and
I'm
a
professor
at
northwestern
telescope
management.
And
yesterday
we
had
some
visitors
in
town
who
lived
in
evanston,
who
left
like
nine
years
ago.
American
to
the.
L
So
I
very
much
wanted
to
share,
and
second
what
chancellor
and
priest
said
and
also
the
previous
speaker,
how
can
the
committee
help
reverse
strength
and
you
know
revive
themselves.
It
seems
to
me
I
should
say
that
you
know
I'm.
I
love
this
belgium.
I
am
european,
I'm
biased
towards
that.
I've
always
loved
this
community,
but
it
has
an
interesting
approach
to
kind
of
entertainment
and
the
fact
that
selling
any
kind
of
alcohol
would
be
looked
at
as
a
thing
and
something
simple.
L
L
L
It
will
give
them
a
reason
to
come
to
evanston
and
after
having
consumed
something
on
the
lakefront.
They
may
build
some
more
communities,
they
may
bring
some
more
business
and
they
go
to
a
restaurant
here.
So
it
seems
to
be
like
a
very
small
investment
that
could
be
made.
It
actually
does
not
happen.
Anything,
and
at
least
you
should
try
it
and
run
an
experiment
if,
after
a
pre-sermon
time,
people
think
it
leads
to
a
lot
of
problems.
L
P
Living
near
the
arrington
lagoon
and
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
this
cafe
project,
so
I
think
everybody's
already
said
all
the
different
attributes
and
I
think
they're
spot
on
so
just
wanted
to
add
my
support
to
that
talk.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I'd
like
to
jump
in
real
quick,
too
I'm
jeremy,
I'm
a
23
year
old
resident
live
close
to
like
the.
P
P
E
B
Hi
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
the
fact
that
members
of
the
interface
team
are
on
the
call
they
wanted
to
introduce
themselves
and
they
promised
nothing
more
than
five
minutes
of
a
summary
of
their
their
proposal.
I.
A
Let's
give
them
five
minutes
and
we'll
have
them
introduce
themselves
and
then
we'll
open
it
up.
If
there's
any
questions
afterwards,
and
it's
not
and
we'll
just
move
on
to
this
so
continue
on
with
the
agenda.
I
Okay,
it
looks
like
here
all
right.
I
Thank
you
so
much
thanks
for
having
us
we're
excited
to
share
a
little
bit
about
what
was
supposed
for
evanston.
I
have
a.
I
Okay,
I'm
gonna
do
that
and
I
pulled
this
order.
I
thought
we
had.
H
I
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
inviting
us
to
share
a
little
bit
more
about
ourselves.
I'm
gonna
move
very
quickly
through
these
slides,
but
interface
studio
would
be
the
need
for
a
managing
project.
We're
planning
an
urban
design
term
we're
based
out
of
philly,
I'm
the
director
of
our
chicago
office.
Here
we've
been
working
in
this
region
for
years
and
I
think
you're
locally
representing
the
office
since
about
20
points.
We
have
experience
on
projects
of
all
kinds
over
20
thousand
commercial
corridor
plans,
seven
national
ico
apr
awards.
I
We
are
we
love
this
work.
We're
excited
to
do
this
work.
We
have
a
lot
of
experience
through
this
type
of
work
in
favor
of
introducing
everyone
on
the
team.
Here's
what
I'll
say
all
together
studio
maurice
and
I
go
back
here
as
partners
in
this
work.
All
together
is
going
to
be
front
and
center
in
the
community
engagement.
I
They
are
local
and
they
have
a
deep
knowledge
of
evanston
and
they're
going
to
be
crucial
in
shaping
complete
space,
marketing,
branding
and
placement
aspects,
michael
on
the
call
from
mjb
consulting,
is
all
about
the
retail
landscape.
He
is
here
to
help
us
understand
the
nuance
of
the
space
market
and
make
sure
that
recommendations
for
the
future
are
really
truly
possible
and
he's
one
of
a
kind.
I'm
excited
for
you
guys
kevin
as
well.
I
Kevin
is
an
economist
he's
a
long
time
and
he
is
on
the
team
because
we
recognize
that
there's
a
lot
more
than
just
retail
in
these
different.
So
he
rouses
out
he's
got
a
deep,
practical
understanding
of
the
broader
economic
landscape
and
he's
a
lot
of
help
when
it
comes
to
talk
about
financing
and
implementation
and
again.
I
P
I
will
indeed
it's
great
to
see
everyone.
P
We've
talked
about
as
a
team
as
we're
playing
together.
That
goes
along
with
what
we
believe
is
really
important
for
this
work,
to
first
put
it
in
in
the
right
context
over
the
over
the
past
few
years.
It's
that
there's
a
retail
apocalypse.
Narrative
is
not
the
case.
Cities
go
through
cycles,
retail
goes
through
cycles.
That
said,
we
really
need
different
approaches
to
how
we
address
retail
downtowns
commercial
corridors.
You
have
to
think
about
them
in
context
of
their
editors,
and
you
all
have
already
heard
this
on.
P
P
And
there's,
of
course,
you
know,
you
understand
the
importance
of
this,
but
what
happens?
Is
the
street
level
drives
the
economy?
So
that
means
we
have
to
think
very
carefully
about
how
we
activate
first
floors
and
if
we
need
nuance
to
how
we
address
retail,
it
means
we
have
to
think
about
alternative
uses
for
places
where
maybe
reach
health
isn't
as
isn't
it
viable
or
is
it
isn't
the
right
approach?
P
What
are
the
programs
that
help
to
stimulate
the
small
business
growth
of
our
nervous
concerns
around
chains,
making
sure
that
there
are
opportunities
for
folks
to
start
small
businesses,
particularly
in
areas
where
there's
not
a
dedicated
ssa
or
capacity
to
help
small
business
owners
really
get
started
or
grow?
So
those
are
things
that
are
really
important
to
us
and
the
way
that
we
do,
that
is
look
through
things
like
seasonality,
right
businesses
settle
at
different
times
of
the
year.
P
We
need
to
understand
that
cycle
because
that
matters
when
we're
really
looking
to
support
those
businesses
and
make
the
most
of
their
their
activities,
which
gets
down
to
this
question
public
space.
I
need
to
really
be
thinking
carefully
about
public
space
and
how
it's
designed
it's,
this
kind
of
activity,
different
customers
and
these
customers
help
to
then
support
the
health
of
business
districts,
commercial,
district,
downtown
so.
P
P
If
we're
trying
to
set
the
table
for
retail
and
other
commercial
uses
in
downtown
and
non-commercial
districts,
we
have
to
look
at
the
design
of
the
street
itself
if
it
feels
like
a
highway,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
welcoming
place
for
people
to
hang
out
and
and
shop
at
local
businesses,
so
we're
integrating
all
of
that
thinking
into
this,
and
we
look
for
a
way
to
take
early
action.
These
are
actually
projects
that
our
firm
has
designed
and
implemented
as
ways
of
activating
space.
I
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
underscore
briefly
here
is
that
we
do
understand
that
evanston
is
made
up
of
these
different
districts.
They
have
different
personalities,
each
have
their
own
character
and
each
other
behaving
supporting
itself,
and
what
we
see
as
a
big
challenge
in
this
project
that
we
are
trying
to
you
know.
Work
towards
kind
of
execution
is
how
to
make
them
all
feel
like
parts
of
the
whole
and
increase
the
coordination
and
collaboration
between
them.
So.
I
I
He's
right
in
doing
that,
we
have
to
think
about
these
districts
differently.
The
identity
and
the
physical
and
programmatic
elements
should
be
driven
by
the
scale,
the
expected
time
period
of
activation
and
the
different
approach
that
makes
sense
for
each
different
place
and
in
some
cases
that
can
be
driven
by
the
organizational
capacity
families.
I
What
can
actually
be
done
and
even
well-
and
we
know
that
ultimately,
creating
welcoming
and
inclusive
places
means
making
these
values
from
being
welcoming
and
being
inclusive,
really
visibly
present
industries
in
public
spaces
and
the
images
on
the
screen
are
helpful
examples
from
working
for
methods.
Hopefully
you
can
get
some
more
questions
about
that.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
use
a
lot
of
different
tools
again.
I
can
share
more
later,
but
we
work
hard
to
use
data
to
put
hard
edges
around
concepts
like
vibrancy
the
software.
I
You
know
ideas
in
people's
minds.
We
try
to
bring
that
new
data,
but
we
also
use
data
that
you're
more
familiar
with
like
placer
and
try
to
use
it
differently.
I
And
ultimately,
when
we
talk
about
deliverables,
all
we
want
to
communicate
at
the
beginning
is
that
we
know
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
this
plan
is
packaged
in
a
way
that
it's
the
most
implementable
and
it
connects
the
most
of
the
different
audiences
that
need
to
do
this
as
a
tool.
So
we.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
with
that.
A
Q
Newsmen,
I
have
a
couple
questions
here
I
mean
chair
reed.
I
was
looking
at
bobby.
I
want
to
talk
about
it's
one,
quick
question
on
how
we
chose
interface
and
looking
at
there.
There
was
one.
B
You
mean
just
for
clarification,
stash
recommendations
right
practice,
so
staff
is
recommending
interface.
If
you,
I
think
you
referenced
the
page
14
of
223
or
233
in
our
packet,
we
looked
at
five
different
measures
for
how
we
analyzed
each
of
the
proposals
we
had
five.
We
had
five
very
good
proposals.
J
B
13.,
thank
you,
you'll
see
their
their
fees.
So
frankly,
bluestem
just
was.
B
They
were
more
of
a
private
sector
branding
strategist,
with
a
little
bit
of
public
sector
experience.
The
remaining
four
all
came
in
with
a
very
similar
price
range,
ranging
from
220
to
270.
B
B
But
you
know,
for
example,
qualifications
were
like
24.8,
and
you
know
it's
very
close
to
perfect
and
the
it
was
unanimous
amongst
the
team
that
reviewed
it
and
the
the
list
is
above
of
who
reviewed
it,
including
a
local
retail
expert
who
lives
in
the
first
war.
Downtown
resident
interface
brought
a
kind
of
a
new
approach
to
planning
where
they
were
challenging.
Some
of
the
assumptions
that
many.
B
To
this
group,
and
when
we
read
that.
B
And
some
of
the
others
we
found.
If
you
look
at
the,
if
you
look
at
the
proposal
itself,
it's
very
different.
It's
very
graphic.
It
just
shows
a
different
way
of
engaging
that
we
haven't
seen
in
proposals
or
in
the
comparable
proposals,
and
their
price
was
really
in
line
with
what
our
expectations
were.
So
we
felt
really
confident
that
this
would
be
great
to
go
with.
Q
Thank
you,
yeah
I'd
also
like
to
talk
about
funding
sources
and
specifically
how
this
plays
into
our
arpa
plan
and
it's
written
down
somewhere
here,
but
we're
planning
to
take
half
of
this
use
our
money
for
half
of
the
consulting
fee.
B
Correct
my
if
I
can
shock
this
up
on
the
board
this,
this
again
is
a
staff
proposal,
we're
here
tonight
to
get
your
feedback
on.
If
this
is
an
approach
that
you'd
like
to
take
and
recommend
to
the
city
council.
B
Like
to
try
to
reserve
as
much
of
the
arc
of
funding
that
we
have
to
actually
implement
plans
and
actually
fund
recovery
in
the
community,
I
do
believe
that
at
the
end
of
this
process-
and
I
want
to
talk
one
additional
thing
about
the
process
and
about
engagement-
so
please
bring
me
back
there
if
I
forget
to
bring
it
up,
but
my
thought
was
if
we
can
take
just
half
of
it
for
the
areas
that
don't
have
a
10th
district,
downtown
central
street
and
others
of
downtown
being
kind
of
the
economic
engine
of
our
community
and
then
proportionately,
spread
the
remainder
of
it
to
the
other
districts
that
are
in
tiffs,
but
based
on
their
size,
right,
dempster,
dodge
that
might
be
the
weakest
link
on
this.
B
We
might
even
not
use
this
source
because
it's
a
shopping
center,
not
to
see
what
our
consultant
as
we
get
into
it.
If
they're
actually
going
to
be
studying
that
particular
shopping
center.
If
not,
then
we
would
shift
it
proportionately,
chicago
native
west
evans
and
tip.
However,
those
are
all
business
districts
that
have
some
scale
of
retail
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
particular
plan
doesn't
just
focus
on
that.
B
B
What
I
said
a
chair
read
is
that
we
one
of
the
one
of
the
strong
advantages
of
interfaces
proposal
is
that
they
have
a
strong
community
process
up
front,
which
I
have
not
seen
in
a
consulting
project.
If
you
look
at
page
16
of
the
packet
there's
a
two-month
listing
and
analysis
process,
that
is
it.
That
is
an
intensive,
that's
a
long
process.
Usually
you
get
two
weeks
of
that
and
they
move
on
focus
groups,
task,
force,
meetings,
communications,
there's
just
a
lot
going
on
here
on
the
phone
end
and
I'll
be
honest.
B
I
I've
heard
from
residents,
including
someone
in
this
room,
who
really
thought
that
the
community
should
have
a
strong
voice
in
this
process
and
that
resonated
with
me-
and
I
think
I
think,
interface
delivers
on
that
and
the
at
least
in
their
plan.
Let's
hope,
let's
hope
they
deliver
in
in
action,
so
that
that's
that's
how
that
rolls.
Q
B
You're
making
my
job
easier
tonight
by
asking
questions
that
I
could
have
put
into
a
staff
presentation.
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
wait
six
months.
We
can
wait
six
months
while
we
have
this
study
done
on
some
of
the
some
of
the
bigger
business
district
issues.
There
might
be
other
things
that
we
need
to
resolve
as
a
community
to
solve
emergency
economic
emergencies,
but
as
it
relates
to
business,
district
infrastructure
funding
for
strategies
to
fill
storefronts
those
types
of
things,
let's
pause
for
a
minute.
B
Let's
let
this
group
help
us
think
it
through,
even
if
we
get
this
grant
from
the
state
of
illinois
where
we
do
orington
and
chicago
avenue,
let's
wait
to
plan
that
until
we
know
what
we're
what
this
group
is
recommending,
I
think
they're
going
to
bring
some
really
good
ideas
and
that's
what
the
review
panel
thought
and
if
we
can
just
take
a
breath
on
this
and
wait
six
months
at
the
end
of
it,
we'll
hopefully
literally
get
a
checklist
where
we
go
and
implement.
B
C
Thank
you
chairman.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
this
and
I
I
don't
mind
the
six
months
wait.
I
would
rather
spend
the
dollars,
wait
and
know
that
we're
spending
the
dollars
in
a
thoughtful
well-analyzed
way.
It
is
the
retail
and
downtown
analysis
that
team
linwood
talked
about
with
us
earlier
in
our
time
on
what
we
were
discussing,
what
we
should
do
with
the
arc
of
dollars.
I
like
this
proposal.
C
I
think
this
is
the
type
of
analysis
that
we
need
to
look
at.
I
know
people
have
said.
Perhaps
we
should
use
our
own
staff.
We
don't
have
enough
staff
to
do
this,
and
this
is
why
we
hire
a
consultant
who
has
this
level
of
experience
with
a
number
of
other
communities
to
bring
in
the
ideas
and
do
the
analysis
for
us
and
help
us
understand
new
directions.
C
I
mean
I've
been
on
the
council
long
enough
to
see
our
downtown
change
and
transform
itself
and
now,
with
code
and
transform
itself
again
and
also
retail,
was
falling
off
eclipse
before
covert
arrived,
and
we
knew
that
was
happening
and
we
were
struggling
to
figure
out.
C
What
did
we
do
to
help
revive
our
retail,
so
we
kind
of
have
a
clean
plate
here,
so
we
need
so
we
need
to
reimagine
our
downtown
and
that's
what
this
is
this
hiring
this
innovative
for,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
them
we'll
be
able
to
spend
the
money
or
allocate
the
money.
I
recognize
that
there
is
a
cost
picking,
but
I
believe
that
it's
the
issue
is
that
it
must
be
allocated
if
not
necessarily
completely
safe.
C
S
So
I
have
statement
then,
so
I'm
not
opposed
to
augmenting
our
staff,
particularly
where
there's
revenue
involved
perfect
example
of
the
permit
desk.
We
don't
have
enough
staff
to
permits.
We
get
revenue
from
the
applicants
are
residents
and
when
they
don't
do
it,
there's
just
a
huge
background.
So
if
you
are
telling
me,
we
need
additional
staff
to
gain
that
revenue
to
make
it
easier
for
our
residents
to
do
their
improvements.
That
has
a
trickle-down
effect,
I'm
all
good
with
that.
S
S
for
a
seventh
month
period
right
that
comes
up
to
28
000
a
month,
and
I'm
thinking
to
myself
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
here
for
that
period
of
time.
How
many
meetings
are
you
going
to
get
up
for
that
period
of
time
and
then
the
other
challenges
that
I
have
is
they're
out
of
all
of
the
groups
they're,
the
only
ones
who
don't
have
they've
scored
a
zero
on
diversity.
S
So
scratch
that
part,
but
so
I
looked
at
some
of
the
cities,
so
grand
rapids
could
be
comparable
to
evanston.
Detroit
has
a
diverse
population,
philadelphia
and
also
wicker
park,
because
I'm
speaking
directly
to
the
staff
now-
and
so
my
curiosity
is
this-
is
an
expensive,
not
upfront
that
we
would
have
to
pay
and
then
what
kind
of
what
does
it
look
like
on
the
back
end
right
so
after
they
give
us
a
nice
expensive
fancy
plan?
S
Where
did
their
city
fund
and
the
same
thing
from
detroit
philadelphia
and
quick
apart,
and
I
think
that's,
I
would
love
to
know
that
and
then
do
they
have
on
the
back
end
of
that,
an
impact
study
to
show
I
mean,
there's
some
great
pictures.
I
love
the
concepts.
That's
it
I
mean
our
own
staff,
I
think
it
put
in
together
with
a
room
with
a
group
of
folks
in
downtown,
would
be
able
to
come
up
with
that
saying
so
can.
B
I
respond
please,
okay,
thank
you,
so
council.
So,
first
of
all,
I
I
hope
the
interface
team
heard
the
question
and
can
somebody.
B
B
That
it
will
I'll.
B
Councilmember
briefly,
one
one
thing:
I
wanted
to
point
out
the
the
difficulty
of
this
particular
project
is.
We
are
trying
to
do
studies
for
what
we
identified
as
10
10
districts.
B
S
B
S
B
Yes,
so
if
scott
or
sarah,
if
you
could
describe
your
experience
in
other
communities
with
there's
a
diverse
population
like
ours,
but
also
diversity
on
on
your
teams,.
P
Yeah,
so
the
majority
of
our
work
has
been
in
majority
minority
communities,
it's
actually
quite
rare
that
we're
working
in
a
community-
that's
not
very,
very
diverse
in
terms
of
I
can
speak
for
interfaith
at
least
we're
an
office
of
12.
P
We've
always
been
diverse,
predominantly
women,
including
four
five
minorities
on
staff,
and
she
thinks
that
very
recently.
So
it
is
a
subject
matter.
We
are
comfortable
with.
We
believe
that
our
approach
and
how
we
build
trust
and
bring
transparency
to
the
process
is
ultimately
what
what
helps
us
to
do.
The
good
work
that
we
have-
and
I
heard
the
question
earlier-
about
impact
and
comparative
steps.
R
I
R
Yeah,
just
so
it's
just
so
you
can
get
straight
to
the
response.
I
am
in
full
support
of
this.
I
want
you
to
know
that,
but
I
I
would
love
to
to
know
how
many
hours,
because
I
think,
if
we
understood
that
or
a
sense
of
scale
and
the
amount
of
work
that's
going
to
go
into
this,
it
would
help
to
address
some
of
the
concerns.
I've
heard
from
my.
R
R
I
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
provide
that
number.
I
am
opening
piles
seriously
on
my
computer.
P
Quite
a
few
of
them
are
in
this
range
in
terms
of
total
price.
We
do
have
a
total
number
of
hours.
I
I
they,
our
hourly
rates,
are
lower
than
most
of
our
competitors.
So
what
happens
is
when
we,
when
we
try
to
figure
out
well
how
much?
P
How
much
money
are
we
looking
to
propose
it's
based
upon
an
estimate
of
hours
at
our
rate,
so
we're
thinking
like
what
is
the
level
of
effort,
so
it
is
often
times
a
lot
more
hours
for
us
as
a
team,
and
then
it
would
be
for
other
teams
because
of
the
way
we're
structured,
more
small
businesses,
and
we
put
in
the
time
and
effort
to
do
that
and
then.
R
I
H
Okay,
so
I
can
tell
you
that.
I
All
I
think
how
about
that
so
the
faces
that
you
see
today,
michael
kevin
myself,
marisa,
rachel
and
scott,
we
are
going
to
do
the
usual
suspects.
I
would
be
the
one
that
is
president
most
frequently
as
the
manager
of
the
project.
I
would
be
the
conduit,
but
my
job
is
also
to
make
sure
that
at
different
points
in
the
process,
you've
got
the
right
people
in
the
room.
I
And
we
choose
our
collaborators
really
wisely,
I
believe-
and
specifically
so
there
will
be
constant
collaboration
among
this
group
and,
aside
from
the
faces
that
you
see
on
the
call
when,
when
the
need
is
there,
we
pull
in
others
from
our
office
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
hands
on
decks
that
are
needed.
R
R
M
E
R
So
we
got
three
you
know
and
how
many
available
hours
do
you
have
to
work
on?
If
you
were
to
work
on
a
project
like
this,
how
many
you
have
a
sense
of.
J
Q
B
B
So
what
we've
learned
over
the
last
two
years
three
years
council
member
burns-
is
that,
in
order
for
us
to
retain
the
businesses
we
have
right
now
we
need
to.
We
need
to.
B
During
my
10
years
here,
it
takes
us
in
a
new
direction
that
sets
us
up
for
whatever
this
new
era.
Is
that
we're
moving
into
now?
I
can't
I
can't
do
that
alone.
I
can't
do
a
retention
effort.
Existing
businesses
maintain
relationships,
run
a
planning
process.
We
have
a
lot
of
communications
that
go
out.
There's
a
lot
of
data
that
we
share.
B
Expansion
on
howard
street
to
get
that
group
really
kind
of
building
their
capacity
to
perhaps
someday
be
its
own
ssa.
There
are
things
like
that.
That
can't
happen
if
we
go
all
in
on
a
business
district
study-
I'll
be
honest,
I
I
did
this
kind
of
work
prior
to
being
in
government.
I
had
the
skills
to
do
some
of
it,
but
it
would
be
all
that
I
did.
I
couldn't
do
it.
I
would
need
a
lot
more
help.
Yeah.
R
So
I
think
that's
the
question
before
us
we've
heard
from
the
team
there.
They
got
10
people
that
they're
gonna
assign
to
this
work.
What
our
economic
development
manager
has
said
is
they
might
be
able
to
do
it.
First
of
all,
they'd
be
bringing
a
lot
less
people
to
the
show
right
to
this
work,
and
it
would
be
all
they
do
so
if
we
want
to
pull
them
off
some
of
our
other
kind
of
critical
matters
that
happen
all
the
time
in
the
world.
I
know.
E
R
Our
council
member
greathway
mentioned
about
seeing
the
work
product.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
at
the
next
city
council
meeting.
T
If
I
could
add
one
other
other
point
here,
you
know.
T
We
pretty
much
spend
all
our
time
traveling
from
one
community
to
the
next
across
the
us
and
beyond,
and
and
that's
part
of
what
you're
getting
is
the
perspective
form
of
all
of
that
work,
and
you
know.
E
T
That's
very
hard
to
do
when
you're
365
days
in
one
place,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
it's
important
to
add
back
to
it.
The
part
of
what
you're
getting
is
is
the
knowledge
base
that
we
believe
from
screening
patterns
from
one
to
the
next
and.
T
I
think
that's
worth
dimension
as
well.
You
know
I.
T
This
is
many
business
districts
in
a
very
intensely
developed,
complex
and
layered
community,
which
might
not
be
chicago,
but
it's
not
a
suburb
either,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
part
of
this
is
understanding
each
of
these
districts
and
their
respective
sub
districts
and
then
understanding
them
in
relation
to
one
another
and
how
to
make
that
work
more
cohesively,
which
is
you
know,
so
it
would
be
one
thing
that
was
just
down.
That
is
simply
it's
everything
and
that's
how
we
go
about
it.
So
I
hope
that
helps.
B
Chair
we
have
cherry,
we
have
council,
member
kelly
and
council
member
okay.
If
something
spoken
yesterday
and
then
come
from
the
first.
U
Wrap
up
the
conversation,
it's
been
robot,
but
okay,
so
we're
about
to
embark
on
spending
a
lot
of
money
for
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
would
like
to
know
I
can't
vote
on
this
until
I
understand
how
this
interfaces
with
our
customers.
I
think
that's
really
key
for
us
to
know
that
you
know
what
part
of
this
is
our
comprehensive
plan
not
covering
or
it
seems
to
me.
U
It
should
be
working
together
so
just
spent
separately
here
and
then
for
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
also
would
also
second
what
councilmember
bravely
said
regarding
knowing
what
final
costs
were
were
involved
in
the
final
cost
of
the
recommended
project.
U
Given
our
last
council
meeting
or
the
funds
here,
this
it's
245
000
right
is
that
is
that
within
budget,
which
I
feel
I'm
compelled
to
ask.
If
that's
within
our
existing
budget
or
is
that
exceeding
budget
there
there
isn't.
E
B
This
is
within
it's
not
coming
from
general
fund.
U
Cetera,
so
half
of
these
business
districts
are
a
good
chunk
of
these
are
doing
really
well,
I
mean,
I
think
we
see
central
street
even
dumpster
street.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
to
learn
from
central
street,
and
so
I'm
concerned
that
I
mean
do
we
really
need
to
spend.
I
mean
downtown,
obviously,
is
in
great
need
right
now,
desperate
need
of
help,
and
I
don't
oppose
hiring
bringing
in
retail
experts
and
to
help
us
with
this.
U
But
I'm
concerned
that
we're
you
know
saying
you
have
to
I
mean
can't
we
narrow
this
down
to
where
we
really
really
are
our
desperate
areas
that
need
attention,
because
even
dumpster
dumpster,
but
you
know
chicago
howard,
yes,
the
heart
of
downtown
evanston.
You
know.
U
Think
we
have
to
look
at
some
of
the
areas
in
evanston
that
have
done
very
well.
I
think
central
street,
I
think
the
sort
of
small
human
scale
businesses
you
know
compared
to
where
we've
blown
out
blocks
with
the
albion
and
others
that
we
see,
we
don't
have
a
thriving
areas.
So
so
some.
B
T
B
Dempster
east
of
east
of
the
tracks
right,
so
I
think
we
can
quickly
learn
from
them
and
check
those
off
and
again
that's
why
we're?
We
think
we
know
where
this
needs
to
go.
I
said
it's
a
downtown
study.
B
Councilmember
burns
about
the
need
to
take
a
look
at
church
and
dodge,
and
the
outcome
is
here
is
a
action
plan.
This
is
what
we
think
we
need
to
do
and
we,
as
a
community
decide
we've
had
input
on
it
throughout
the
process.
So
it's
not
they're
just
coming
in
with
some
new
ideas.
We've
hopefully
in
the
first
two
months,
have
contributed
to
and
even
your
statement
just
now
we
don't
need
to
look
at
central
street.
Maybe
that's
what
we
learned
that
in
the
first
week
and
then
we
don't
focus
on
it.
So
that's.
K
B
B
B
I
love
that
question.
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
really
important.
I
would
ask
interface
to
describe
how
your
studies
interact
with
your
other
studies
and
other
communities
interact
with
the
comprehensive
and
or
citywide
strategic
plans.
My
answer
to
that
is:
this
is
a
very
specific
boots
on
the
ground
business
district
level
study
with
very
actionable
implementation
items,
whereas
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
little
more
general
things
like
support.
Local
business
support.
Storefront
growth
grow
our
economy
to
have
more
office
workers
to
generate
sales
taxes
well,.
S
Yeah,
I'm
ready
to
move
this
forward.
I
think
there
are
enough
votes.
I
just
you
caught
the
first
part
of
looking
at
those
impacts
in
terms
of
the
cost
breakdown
and
what
each
city
the
estimate
of
their
investment.
So
I'm
glad
he
called
that,
and
then
you
know
I'm
going
to
say
this
to
the
group.
You
talked
about
the
complexity
of
evanston
and
diversity.
S
I
can't,
I
don't
know
the
landscape
of
these
other
urban
areas,
but
I
am
going
to
challenge
you
between
now
and
whenever
this
comes
back
to
for
action,
even
if
you
have
to
outsource,
we
have
some
areas
that
are
very
specific
to
black
owned
businesses,
and
my
challenge
to
you
is
to
diversify
your
team
and
find
someone
that
looks
like
the
community,
the
business
community
they're
going
to
be
in
front
of
whether
it's
now
or
later
on
in
the
history.
You
know
in
the
future.
That's
my
challenge
to
your
group.
Thank
you,
paul.
A
E
A
Okay,
great
so
I
have
one
question
before
we
close
up
call
the
vote
paul.
How
much
money
is
left
unencumbered
both
unalice
allocated-
and
you
know,
of
course,
spent.
B
A
Okay-
okay,
you
very
much
with
that.
I
will
call
a
all
those
I'll
follow
all.
S
A
B
A
A
Any
extensions
the
motion
password.
Thank
you.
Okay,
let's
respond
to
item
c,
which
is
request
for
funding
for
nation's
perspective
through
the
what
evanston
tax
internet
financing
district
for
approval.
A
Here's
no
discussion
on
this
item.
All
those
are
famously
asked
all
those
opposed
an
extension.
The
item
passes
all
right.
Moving
on
to
item
two,
which
is
the
up
speaking
the
cafe
proposal
to
operate
the
arrington
lagoon
building
cafe
is
there
a
motion
move
for
approval?
Second,
moved
by
councilman
bernie
seconded
by,
I
believe,
probably
number.
C
B
Yes,
paul
thank
you,
council,
member
wiz,
so
first
of
all,
sandeep
is
here
this
evening.
He
spoke
earlier
and
I
will
ask
him
to
step
forward
and
describe
his
his
intended
modifications
to
the
plan.
But
the
idea
here
is
what
you
see
in
the
packet
would
be
meaning
a
kind
of
a
full-service
cafe,
starting
sometime
this
summer
on
a
daily
basis,
would
roll
out
in
a
much
kind
of
a
slower
way
and
I'm
gonna.
B
Let
miss
your
last
name,
mr
guy
I'll,
give
him
an
opportunity
to
summarize
it.
But
what
I
would
say
is
instead
of
doing
a
daily
cafe
with
you
know,
food
service
and
alcohol
every
day.
Mr
guy
would
like
an
opportunity
to
slowly
roll
this
program
out.
Give
us
a
chance
to
get
the
building
set
up,
give
him
a
chance
to
to
kind
of
pilot
and
try
out
this
concept,
and
it
might
be
a
kind
of
a
more
an
easier
way
for.
B
F
So
initially,
when
we
put
together
the
proposal
that
we've
submitted,
you
can
see
the
vision
in
there
is
for
a
cafe
that
operates
morning
to
evening
coffee
and
sort
of
pastries
small
lights
in
the
morning.
We
sort
of
surveyed
the
area,
and
we
see
that
at
you
know
the
morning
time
is
used
a
lot
for
people
who
are
biking
exercising.
F
F
You
know
so
offering
waters,
maybe
smoothies
small
bites
protein
bars
that
kind
of
stuff
that
would
be
in
line
with
the
type
of
consumers
that
are
already
there
and
then.
F
Similarly,
you
know
my
background
is
with
finnick,
and
so
we
have
a
lot
of
experience,
running
a
wine
cafe
and
think
we
can
do
a
really
lovely
job,
moving
that
through
the
luncheon
to
the
evening
hours
offering
you
know
wine,
beer,
frozen
drinks
and
stuff
that
can
again
complement
a
sort
of
cafe,
feel,
and
that
was
the
proposal
that
we
submitted
and
I
think
we
can
successfully
do
this.
F
F
However,
this
year
is
mostly
being
used
by
a
summer
camp
during
the
day,
and
I
think,
talking
to
the
parks
department.
They
said
that
this
would
run
into
about
four
or
five
pm
of
use,
and
so
it
makes
it
very
sort
of
difficult
to
build
out
that
side,
and
so
we
initially
thought
we
would
try
and
work
out.
There's
a
small
little
kitchen
at
about
I'd,
say
like
400
square
feet
on
the
west
side
facing
side.
F
But
since
we've
put
together
our
proposal,
however,
you
know
there
are
just
little
headaches
that
happen
when
you
start
putting
rubber
to
the
pavement.
When
you
look
at
things
like
the
health
department
and
licensing
for
liquor
licenses
and
all
of
that
causes
just
a
little
bit
of
heartburn,
I
guess
is
what
I
would
say,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
is
that
in
the
first
year
we
would
operate
a
couple
pop-ups,
we
would
select
weekends.
F
Oh,
there
was
another
concern
as
well,
where
the
parks
department
already
rents
that
space
out
for
events
and
has
offered
it
up
for
existing
events
this
year
through
the
summer,
and
so
instead
of
trying
to
fight
what
was
already
happening.
F
I
think
that
it
would,
you
know,
behoove
us,
to
sort
of
pilot
the
program
and
allow
us
to
operate
a
couple
weekends,
we're
thinking
in
late
july
august
and
maybe
early
september,
depending
on
whether
given
the
ability
to
get
the
space
up
to
some
kind
of
code
as
far
as
health
department,
and
then
the
licensing
isn't
as
big
an
issue,
because
we
can
get
like
a
one-day
permit
for
each
of
the
weekends
that
we're
operating
and
sort
of
do
a
proof
of
concept.
F
F
How
what
is
actually
difficulties
that
would
exist
and
then
can
negotiate
a
true
contract
going
into
the
2023
summer
and
also
not
have
the
competition
of
existing
events
as
well
as
the
summer
camp,
to
compete
against.
So
this
is
sort
of
why
we
will
scale
back
the
full
proposal
trial.
It
pilot
it
and
then
you
know,
hopefully
have
a
better
way
of
succeeding
in
the
future.
R
C
I
remember
when,
were
you
were
you
done?
I
believe
you
were
oh
well,
I
I
I
did
hello,
you
and
I
know
each
other
and
I
know
you're
a
huge
person
in
the
main
dumpster
mile
and
and
I'm
very
sorry
that
finnick
is
it's
closing
very
soon.
C
That's
going
to
be
a
real
lot
from
chicago
avenue
corridor,
but
I
I
I
did
want
to
say
that
I
I
like
the
idea
of
trying
to
pilot
a
smaller
program
to
begin
with,
because
I
given
the
sensitivity
around
this
issue
and
the
concerns
in
the
community.
I
know
some
people.
C
Emails
strongly
in
favor
and
I've
had
emails
that
are
expressing
significant
concerns
about
commercialization
on
the
lakefront,
and
that's
always
been
a
concern
on
about
our
lakefront
that
how
if
we
do
anything,
move
towards
that?
How
do
we
do
that?
And
can
we
make
sure
we
do
it
carefully?
C
I
know
some
people,
I
don't
think
I
would
be
representing
the
third
ward
appropriately,
if
I
didn't
say
that
I
did
hear
from
a
number
of
people
who
did
express
serious
concerns
about
alcohol
sales
and
as
one
person
footage
new
europeans
know
how
to
drink
outdoors,
but
americans
don't,
and
so
I
I
do
want
to
see
how
this
works.
You
know.
I
have
other
concerns
that
that
I
can
obsess
with
staff
that
I
raised
our
prior
meeting
about
crash
and
generating
extra
litter
and
what
we
do
about
that.
C
So
I'm
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
about
what's
developed
before
this
comes
from
the
city
council,
but
I
I
will
say
knowing
that
incendi
alters
my
thinking
about
this
somewhat.
R
Thank
you
all
right
come
to
a
member
of
burns
yeah.
What
I
just
wanted
to
say.
You
know
thank
you,
malcolm
for
responding
to
the
rfp
and
for
being
flexible
about
the
kind
of
pre-scheduled
events
and
the
location,
one
of
which
I
know
because
I
hope
to
work
with
paul
to
help
plan
it.
It's
a.
I
know
for
sure,
there'll
be
a.
R
Of
a
on-time
community
member,
which
is
great
so
thanks
for
being
flexible
to
accommodate
those
special
events,
and
so
I
actually
went
to
the
location,
and
I
think
what
we're
calling
a
kitchen
really
is
a
closet.
Let's
be
clear
like
I
would,
if
it
was,
I
was
operating
this.
I
would
not
want
to
do
anything
that
very
it's
a
very
tight
space.
It
would
make
no
sense
to
have
kitchen
in
there
to
get
a
plate
that
I
think
you
were
alluding
to.
Nor
do
I
think
it
would
be
the
closed
compliant.
R
So
really,
what
we're
looking
at
in
this
space
report
is
that
probably
will
function
more
as
a
closet
and
some
of
the
modifications
and
improvements
will
happen
in
the
larger
area
or
outside
and
there's
also
a
bathroom
between
what
we
were
calling
the
kitchens
and
the
open
area.
So
somebody
would
literally
have
to
prepare
food
to
keep,
bringing
it
back
and
forth
and
operationally.
R
It
makes
no
sense,
so
I
think
both
for
the
reasons
that
something
to
god
described,
but
also
it's
going
to
take
some
time
just
to
make
this
a
lot
more
practical
than
I
think
we
discussed
it
originally,
it
makes
sense
to
pilot
it.
You
know,
make
sure
that
we're
getting
everything
right
and
and
that's
gonna
be
ready
to
go
so.
But
I
support
this
and
I
look
forward
to
having
you
at
the
lakefront
thank.
U
To
kind
of
I
also
kelly
yeah,
I
I
also
feel
the
same
way.
I
think
this
is
it's
really
important
that
we
get
it
right.
I've
also
heard
you
know
both
sides.
I've
heard
more
in
favor,
I
will
say,
but
I've
heard
both
sides
from
my
lord
and
my
constituents,
and
I
am
really
delighted
that
it
is
sandeep
and
then
of
wine.
I
think
you're
very
cherished
business
here
in
in
the
first
ward
in
downtown.
I
think
for
all
of
that.
U
So
I
think
you'll
want
to
do
this
and
I
think
we
can
get
this
right
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
we
will.
It
really
is
just
a
stunning
location
and
I
do
think,
there's
a
lot.
There's
two
enormous
bathrooms
and
I
don't
you
know
I
think,
there's
room
to
really
expand
on
the
kitchen
and
storage
area
and
everything
else.
U
S
Very
well
I'll,
be
brief
and
I'll
just
say
to
you
just
by
listening.
You
have
with
the
and
I
appreciate
council
member
wayne
expressing
both
sides
of
the
argument.
But
if
you
listen
to
everyone
else,
there's
a
very
strong
support
for
you
to
move
forward.
S
I
appreciate
like
the
business
sentence
that
you
brought
to
the
table
and
I'm
I'm
supportive,
and
so
I
I
would
like
to
see
us
maximize
that
space
to
the
best
of
the
city
of
athens
ability,
and
I
will
trust
and
actually
invite
your
recommendations.
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
invest
some
time
in
what
you
know.
What
that
space,
how
to
reimagine
that
space
and
more
importantly,
I
would
personally
I'm
sure,
the
committee
and
our
staff
will
benefit
what
are
those
barriers
that
you
ran
into
just
put
them
in
writing.
S
So
we
can
understand,
because
we're
going
to
have
enough
time
to
make
this
right
and
I
want
to
make
it
right
and
I've
been
to
your
business
when
it
was
open.
It
was
amazing.
I
love
going
there
for
the
wine
tasting
it's
a
great
blend
of
food
that
everyone
can
appreciate.
So
I
wish
you
nothing
but
success.
A
I
also
am
extremely
supportive
of
this
excited
to
see
this
move
forward.
I
also
hi
about
this.
I
think
most
of
the
waters
are
pretty
excited
to
see
some
new
activities
on
the
lakefront
and
we'll
see
new
uses
of
facilities.
So
I've
tried
to
support
this.
I'm
excited
to
see
what
you
can
bring
to
fruition
this
summer,
and
particularly,
I
will
just
know
one
last
time
that
I
think
to
accomplish
this.
A
We
will
need
to
change
one
or
things
that
prohibits
alcohol
at
the
harrington
lagoon.
It
represents
alcohol
at
any
of
our
parks,
and
so
you
know
it
would
be
problematic
for
them
to
sell
alcohol
there
and
then
turn
around
for
it
to
be
illegal.
For
someone
to
have
alcohol
there,
so
we
will.
I
will
highlight
that
one
more
time
that
we
have
to
adjust
that
ordinance
to
make
this
legal.
C
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
what
you
were
just
saying
there,
because
I
think
what
we
just
heard
is
they're
going
to
be
applying
for
a
one-day
liquor
license,
and
I
certainly
think
that
correctly.
If
I'm
wrong,
you
aren't
saying
that
we're
going
to
have
to
in
order
to
have
a
some
type
of
cafe
in
the
future
selling
alcohol
there
that
we're
going
to
start
permitting
alcohol
consumption
throughout
all
of
our
parks.
A
C
A
And
no,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
this
is
necessarily,
but
I
think
what
we
have
to
do
is
separately
separate
from
the
purpose
or
the
allowance
for
them
to
sell
alcohol
at
that
location.
A
There
is
a
specific
law
that
says
it
is
illegal
to
consume
alcohol
at
that
same
location,
and
so
we
would
have
to
even
if
it's
just
targeted-
and
we
say
it
is
permitted
to
consume
this
alcohol.
E
A
B
Or
charity,
that
is,
our
intent,
is
to
follow
if
we
need
to
modify
the
code
to
allow
this
to
occur
only
at
that
location.
That
is
our
intent.
So
we
will
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
take
this
through
proper,
permitting
make
sure
that
the
building
itself
is
up
to
the
health
code
and
making
sure
that
it's
operating
within
our
city
code
related
to
liquor.
A
Okay-
and
this
is
a
liquor
code-
and
this
is
a
criminal
protest,
so
yeah,
okay,
thank
you
all
for
that.
No
further
discussion
on
the
item
before
I
will
do
a
voice
vote,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
stay
out
all
right,
hi,
all
the!
Thank
you
all.
Those
opposed
any
extensions
island
in
the
motion
passes.
That
brings
us
next
to.
A
Q
V
B
That's
a
difficult
question
right,
so
I
would
say-
and
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
back
off
what
I
said-
the
consultant
project
it
from
my
perspective
is
really
about
infrastructure,
placemaking
and
other
marketing.
Ways
to
help
you
know
address
the
current
retail
market
and
the
challenges
we're
facing.
Ms
smith
is
planning
to
build
a
program.
B
This
is
how
I'm
differentiating
it
she's
intending
to
build
a
program.
That's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time,
a
lot
of
human
capital
resource
expenditure
to
get
people
trained
up
to,
hopefully,
eventually
open
up,
storefronts
or
even
just
websites
selling
product
I
can
almost
guarantee.
I
can
almost
predict
that
interface
if
it
does
move
forward
with
the
consulting
project,
we'll
recommend
that
we
come
up
with
strategies
to
fill
vacant.
Storefronts,
I'd
like
to
get
ahead
of
that
and
and
something
that
miss
smith
has
proposed
and
has
actually
she's
grown
her
business.
B
B
B
There
is
some,
you
know,
requirement
to
rent
a
space,
and
we
hope
that
by
the
end
of
2023
that
we
have,
we
have
sparked
interest
and
others
who
want
to
participate
to
help
us.
R
R
Should
wait,
but
even
before
you
said
that
what
I
was
gonna
say
is
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
update
the
kind
of
the
the
rubric
the
scoring
ruling,
and
I
think
this
project
would
need
to
go
through
that
planning
and
consultants
are
a
bit
different
for
me,
but
this
one,
I
think,
would
be
to
even
if
we
didn't
go
forward
with
it.
I
want
to
run
it
through
the
group
and
make
sure
that
we've
updated.
I
know
there
was
a
rubric
and
a
scoring
method.
That
was,
I
think,
used.
R
But,
more
importantly,
I
think
this
would.
It
would
make
sense
for
this,
for
this
project
to
be
for
the
consultants
for
interface
to
know
about
this
project
and
to
provide
us
recommendations
on
how
best
to
partner
with
37
oaks.
If
you
decide
to
go
to
move
forward
and
yeah,
I
think
we
should
allow
time
for
them
to
do
the
work
before
we
move
forward
with
this,
that's
my
opinion.
L
M
J
I
just
in
response
to
that,
if
I
may,
I,
if
you
wanted,
by
the
way.
B
B
A
generalized
business
incubator
is
not
going
to
address
the
the
difficulty
or
the
specific
programming
around
retail
and
what
retail
it's
it's
way
more
generalized,
it's
30
000
feet.
It's
more
sunshine
enterprise
which
which.
B
Program
respected
in
every
community
in
which
it
operates
right
now,
so
the
37
oaks
program
is
again
it's
very
targeted
on
retail,
and
that
is
where
what
I've
heard
our
community
say
we
struggle
most
with.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
solve
for
that
and
then
later
into
that,
the
her
experience
clearly
dealing
with
or
assisting
women
of
color,
primarily
open
up
retail
shops,
that
that's
that's!
Why
I'm
excited
about.
O
H
Yes,
I
had
a
really
a
conversation
with
tasha
and
julie.
It
was
more
of
a
introduction
to
what
it
is
that
we
do.
We
talked
about
who
we
focus
on
how
we
help
them
specifically
to
this
pulse
point
about
the
retail
type
sector,
and
I
know
they're
in
the
earlier
stages
of
really
developing
up
their
business.
But
we've
talked
about
some
ways
that
we
could
potentially
partner
in
terms
of
using
their
space
and
even
tapping
into
some
of
the
resources
that
they
have
there.
But
I.
H
M
R
R
Closely
aligns
with
those
the
goals
they
have
for
that
program,
and
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
any
conversations
with
him
about
it.
J
R
Then,
what
I'll
also
bring
up
in
terms
of
the
scoring
with
hcbc
and
the
economic
development
committee
can
do
it
differently?
I
think
where
we're
headed
well,
we
still
need
to
get
this
approved
and
I'll
talk
to
sarah
about
this.
But
I'm
going
to
recommend
is
that
that
the
committee
scored
and
then
that's
those
scores
are
average
basically,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
that
in
the
economic
development
committee.
R
It's
up
to
this
body
as
it
will
be
today
cdc,
but
that's
what
we're
doing
just
to
make
sure
everybody
on
the
committee
has
has
a
voice
or
so
you
do
your
own
scoring
of
proposals.
Every.
M
R
M
R
S
Just
real
quick
and
I,
within
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
had
four
sons,
which
is
a
woman
of
color
local
gabrielle
out
she's,
walking
out
open
her
business
black
home,
raising
our
own
funds.
I
think
just
support
of
economic
development.
We've
had
dr
kimberly
smith,
who's
opened
up
smile,
suites
and
there's
another
black
surgeon
working
out
of
that
facility,
and
I'm
forgetting
another
one
that
all
opened
up
during
you
know
the
pandemic,
and
so
I'm
going
to
agree
with
the
comments
that
we
heard
from
some
of
our
residents.
S
I
would
say
to
the
group-
and
I
I
mean
with
so
much
respect
if
we
didn't
have
all
these
entities
already
in
evanston
and
you
were
looking
to
be
a
tenant
somewhere.
I
think
that
that
could
be
a
potential
compliment,
but
we
we
just
invested
a
million
dollars
specifically
in
black
owned
businesses
that
are
open
and
inviting
to
our
brown
allies,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
put
that
focus
because
all
of
those
a
majority
of
those
business
owners
are
residents
of
evanston
with
their
own
with
their
own
track
record.
S
I
think
some
of
the
organizations
that
I've
seen
listed
in
your
in
your
proposal
that
I
would
call
community
partners
sunshine,
has
a
long
history
in
evanston
and
I
don't
recall
them
asking
for
anything,
including
700,
000
and
they're,
doing
exactly
that.
They're
working
with
young
entrepreneurs
covering
a
huge
base
between
the
commercial
that
you
discussed
in
in
other
areas,
and
I
think
they've
been
doing
that
very
well
in
addition
to
that,
you
were
talking
to
northwestern
northwestern
right.
S
Now
is
talking
to
the
group
and
the
augs
trying
to
figure
that
out
and
I
serve
on
our
mwebe
committee,
and
I
would
tell
you
that
the
other
groups
northwestern
lend
kellogg
and
I
may
be
forgetting
one
have
already
presented
to
our
committee
and
we
know
what
type
of
of
resources
that
they're
ready
to
commit
and
so
and
I'm
leaving
out
evanston
hospitals,
also
in
partnership
with
the
office
they're.
Looking
at
having
a
footprint
in
that
space
to
address
the
health
disparities
open
community
college
is
also
doing
a
form
of
entrepreneurship.
S
So
I
mean
there,
you
have
it
a
full
plate
of
organizations
that
are
local,
that
know
our
town
that
are
providing
exactly
what
your
your
your
focus,
your
area
of
focus.
So
I
I
think
the
big
conversation
I
would
suggest
is
to
the
committee
is,
if
they're
looking
to
do
something,
then
save
the
money
and
become
a
tenant
of
the
office
and
and
provide
that
support
for
the
business,
but
to
carve
out
an
additional
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
a
tarp.
E
R
What
37
oaks
does,
but
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
that
that
is
fully
flushed
out
and
I
think
the
best.
E
R
E
A
One
I'll
I'll
just
say
that
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
slightly
different
than
the
ox
and
some
of
the
other
programs.
So
I'm
interested
to
you
know
just
to
see
this
in
the
future,
but
I
do
also
agree
that
we
should
I
support
waiting
on
the
economic
development
on
spending
additional
economic
development
dollars.
Until
we
have
this
more
comprehensive
strategic
plan
or
the
consulting
that
we
just
approved.
R
R
Area
that
they
specialize
in
and
the
others,
don't
I'm
just
not
clear
that
that's
been
carved
out
in
this
proposal
and
so
again,
if
you
work
with
you
know
what
I'm,
what
I'm
encouraging
you
to
do
is
work
with
37
oats
and
the
aux
and
sunshine
to
really
figure
out
what
what
that
is
and
then
bring
that
to
us,
and
I
think
you
get
a
much
better
reception
and
I
it
probably
it
may
not.
You
know
the
the
proposal
may
change.
J
R
B
B
R
M
B
B
Using
arca
or
any
city
funds
we,
this
is
our
third
time,
and
so
I
I'm
not
gonna,
put
ms
smith
in
front
of
the
committee
again
unless
there's
a
significantly
different
way
to
find
it,
and
I
think
I
think
we'll
get
there.
I
think
we've
learned
tonight
on
ways
that
you
could
be
successful
and
we'll
do
that.
A
All
right
and
I'll,
just
I'll,
throw
up
one
last
thing
that
I
I
do
think
if
it
is
to
come
back
whether
it's
with
some
other
funding
program,
I'd
really
like
to
see
how
we
support
folks
or
how
the
program
supports
folks,
after
they
finish
and
and
what
the
race
could.
How
are
we
ensuring
that
folks,
who
finish
this
program,
are
actually
in
a
position
to
open
up
shops
and
actual
retail
locations
here
and
another
student?
A
Okay
with
that
we'll
do
a
voice
vote,
all
those
in
favor
of,
say,
aye,
all
those
opposed
say
no.
E
A
No
any
extension,
the
nose
have
it
and
the
item
does
not
move
forward.
Okay.
That
brings
us
to
our
final
two
items
for
discussion,
and
the
first
item
is
a.
A
Shared
kitchen
proposal
colleges
here
we
are.
R
Paul
I
mean
I'll
just
say
that
I
have
been
organizing
with
paul
kennedy.
I
think
he
had
a
shared
kitchen
of
some
sort
at
one
point.
R
And
the
call
can
kind
of
explain
the
level
of
success
and
you
know
why
why
it
didn't.
You
know
why
it
closed
and
then
talk
about
some
others.
You
can.
R
About
some
other
successful
series,
kitchen
space
is
not
in
edison
but
but
nearby,
but
there
is
a
an
interest
from
community
members
approaching
pretty
early
on
this
term,
requesting
that
we
explore
creating
another
shared
kitchen
space
for
our
food
based
businesses
and
student
service
businesses.
And
again
this
is
just
for
discussion.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
paul
and
councilman
reid
about
discussions,
they've
had
and
some
of
their.
M
B
Yeah,
so
all
I
would
add
to
the
conversation
here
is
well
directly.
Remember
burns
mentioned
our
previous
shared
commercial
kitchen,
which
was
called
now
we're
cooking.
There
was
a
commercial
shared
kitchen
space
in
that
space.
It
had
maybe
10
seconds
if
you're,
if
you're,
not
speaking,
would
you
mind
clicking
view.
B
Is
that
I'm
afraid
I'm
going
to
meet
myself
again
all
right
so
now
we're
cooking
had.
O
B
Her
name
is
natalie
schmule.
She
was
from
toronto.
She
went
to
chicago.
She
was
hired
away
after
a
couple
years
with
us.
In
fact,
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
council
members,
but
we
had.
We
had
funded
a
share
like
an
incubator
program
for
a
couple
of
years
for
food
startups,
that
funding
went
to
support
her
salary.
She
ran
the
program
for
a
few
years.
The
property
owner
basically
had
some
health
concerns,
wasn't
able
to
manage
the
business
and
ended
up
selling
the
building
to
soul
and
smoke
owners,
heather
and
deandre.
B
So
it
all
worked
out
well
in
the
end
natalie
with
chicago
she's,
running
a
massive
food,
fair
that
has
a
ton
of
support
from
some
commercial
food
businesses
and
all
like
craft
and
others.
She
has
offered
to
not
necessarily
consult
but
give
us
some
advice
on
how
to
how
to
get
one
started
in
that
state.
We've
talked
about
in
the
name
of
it.
I
can't
remember
garfield,
it's
incredible
I'll!
Think
of
it.
In
a
minute
I
had
paid
a
visit
with
a
former
alderman
to
learn
more
about
it.
B
I
think
councilmember
burns
and
I
have
talked
about
taking
a
field
trip
there
to
learn
more,
but
the
idea
here
is
similar
to
any
other,
it's
hard
for
small
food
startups
to
to
to
really
grow,
to
expand
and
to
scale,
because
it's
hard
to
get
from
your
kitchen,
countertop
or
your
kitchen,
stovetop
to
you,
know,
canning
or
jarring
or
packaging
food
without
a
lot
of
help.
So.
B
When
you're
in
a
shared
space,
you
get
the
access
to
that
commercial
kitchen
space,
you
learn
if
there's
a
program
associated
with
it.
You
know
we
talked
about
wraparound
services.
You
learn
how
to
package
it.
You
learn.
How
to
can
you
learn
how
to
sell
it?
You
learn
how
to
get
on
this
on
the
store
shelves.
So
that's.
B
So
we
know
in
our
black
community
there
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
we're
calling
cottage
industry
through
the
state
law
change
to
allow
kind
of
cottage
food
industry
put
food
in
the
kitchen,
sell
it
at
markets
and
things.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
those
and
we've
also
heard
from
our
latino
community
about
kind
of
the
same
concerns.
B
So
I
guess
from
a
staff
perspective
a
council
member
that
have
talked
about
this.
How
do
we
is
there
appetite
to
pursue
steering
resources
developing
some
energy
around
this
idea?
They're
hard
to
do?
I
don't
think
we
want
to
own
it.
I
don't
think
we
you
know.
We
want
a
private
partner,
helping
us
with
this,
but
I
think
it
could
have
an
impact.
B
Maybe
the
next
step
is
to
do
you
know
summer's
coming
up.
We
could
we
could
hire
or
not
necessarily
hire
but
bring
out
a
staff
intern
to
do
a
really
strong
research
study
that
could
help
us
figure
this
out.
There
are
a
number
of
ways
we
can
go
about.
This
space
is
critical.
You
know
you
need
a
large
space,
probably
a
thousand
square
feet,
just
to
fit
all
that
stuff
in
there.
Black
iron
is
expensive.
B
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
hand
here
from
council
number
one.
C
Yes,
thank.
E
C
Chair
reid,
I
I've
been
on
this
committee,
while
when
we
had
now
we're
booking
in
evanston
and
it
launched
a
number
of
very
successful
businesses,
and
that
was
then,
it
did
provide
as
paul
just
described
a
commercial
kitchen
that
when
people
are
making
food
at
home,
they
get
to
a
point
when
they
really
do
need
that
next
step.
C
C
In
evanston
that
I
know
started
out
there,
and
certainly
we've
had
businesses
at
a
farmers
market
that
started
out
and
now
we're
focusing.
So
I
think
this
is
worth
pursuing.
This
is
the
type
of
thing,
the
business
that
we
do
see
happening
in.
You
know
owner
operators
operating
out
of
their
own
kitchen,
and
they
do.
E
C
To
have
some
support
and
be
able
to
move
to
a
commercial
kitchen
when
they
reach
a
certain
size
in
order
to
be
successful,
so
I
think
this
is
worth
pursuing
and
definitely
worth
on
trying
to
find
someone
just
doing
some
more
exploration
on
this
poll
because
there's
a
need.
I
mean
I've
talked
to
people
who
personally,
who
thought
about
starting
some
type
of
small
food
manufacturing
in
their
own
home
and
wondered
about
whether
we
had
a
commercial
kitchen
in
evanston.
C
So
I
think
this
is
something
that
would
help
a
lot
of
our
home
businesses.
B
Thank
you.
I
I
remember
the
name
of
the
business
in
chicago.
It's
really
well
known.
It's
called
the
hatchery.
S
However,
just
given
the
condition
of
the
pandemic,
I
think
investing
in
restaurants
is
probably
the
most
risky
business
that
any
business
owner
can
get
into,
particularly
because
we've
had
so
many
that
have
closed.
So
that's
I
understand
the
growing
market
for
entrepreneurs
not
to
carry
that
overhead
and
be
able
to
feed
existing
restaurants
and
markets.
So
the
two
things
that
I
want
to
share:
why
I'm
a
little
bit
gun
shy
about
supporting
this
is
again.
We've
talked
about
the
ox.
S
I
think
the
name
chef
q
is
very
well
respected
in
town
and
the
number
of
businesses
is
like
jennifer
edibles
that
switch
their
business
model
to
adapt
to
what's
going
on,
and
that
is
going
to
be
a
component
of
the
ox
a
a
facility
that
is
going
to
be
build
out.
That
will
allow,
I
think,
our
target
population
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
to
be
able
to
use,
as
well
as
being
mentored
by
a
professional
chef
who
has
adopted
her
business
model
to
adjust
to
the
current
environment.
S
The
other
piece
is,
I
don't
want
to
say
the
person's
name,
relocation.
We
have
someone
looking
at
a
space
on
main
street
to
do
exactly
the
same
thing.
I
think
you
may
be
aware
of
that
yeah
and
so
there's
no
risk
to
the
city.
This
is
someone
who
knows
how
to
operate
it
and
I'm
going
to
assume
is
going
to
be
very
nimble
to
the
market.
S
S
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
it's
further
west
and
then
the
last
thing
and
nothing
to
get
into
now,
but
we
have
time
to
think
creatively.
There
are
a
lot
of
black
churches
in
town
that
serve
food.
Some
are
licensed.
Some
are
not.
I
realize
that
they
don't
generate
taxes,
but
before
we
pay
invest
in
all
that
stuff.
I
would
be
curious
to
know
if
there
were
some
funds
available.
Maybe
harpa
would
be
a
good
possibility
to
help
those
churches
build
that
capacity.
Seeing
that
you
know,
numbers
are
low
everywhere
that
I
think
not.
B
S
B
S
A
Thank
you
confident
birthday
councilmember.
Thank
you.
Q
E
Q
Chicken
dinner
a
huge
kitchen-
I'm
not
a
member
there.
I
can't
commit
them
to
doing
anything
but
like
there
are
a
lot
of
underutilized
resources
that
already
exist,
that
we
can
just
figure
out
a
way
to
make
it
happen,
and
it's
fairly,
you
know
it's
really
straightforward,
there's
also
a
commercial
kitchen
at
robert
crown,
which
is
not
utilized.
So,
let's,
let's
keep
that
on
the
table
as
well.
Q
B
And
also
I'm
sorry
just
we
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
we
need
we
as
a
as
a
committee.
You
need
to
get
back
to
that.
We
had
a
really
good
process
going
to
find
a
local
restaurant,
tour
or
group
to
run
that
kitchen
and
then
cover
it.
So
we'll
bring
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
because
I
think
we
need
to
add
that
to
our
upcoming,
because
there's
a
lot
of
interest,
you
recall,
I
think
there
were
50
restaurants
pursuing
the
space
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
That's
good!.
Q
E
Q
That's
her
work
is
done.
R
R
R
Chef
q
again
but
chef
q
was
actually
on
the
call
when
we
discussed
doing
this,
and
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
if
her
opinions
would
change.
If
maybe
at
the
time
she
was
not
sure
I
mean
you
got
to
think
she
on
the
she.
The
office
was
fun
raising
funds
at
that
time,
so
she
was
fully
aware
of
it
and
also
saw.
R
To
see
if
they're
building
out
enough
space,
that
really
would
support
the
type
of
businesses
that
we're
talking.
R
R
R
To
the
city,
if
we're
going
to
take
that
on
so
that's
not
neutral,
that's
still
an
investment
which
is
part
of
this
discussion.
It's
like,
if
you
want
to
create
this
shared
kitchen
network
or
facility,
it's
still
going
to
be
a
cost
to
the
city,
because
I
don't
think
anybody
else
is
going
to
take
it
up,
but
the
city
right,
but
government
and
then
and
then
yeah.
I
think
part
of
the
reason
why
you
want
to
have
discussion
to
see
if
there's
any
other
synergy.
R
R
To
say
that
I
think
the
shared
kitchen
motto
is
is,
to
be
honest,
a
hard
break
away
from
rick
and
morty.
Mostly,
I
think
it's
really
businesses
who
are
trying
to
get
their
product
in
the
stores
directly
into
or
there's
a
goat's
kitchen
emergence
where
you
can.
You
know
you
cook
at
the
facility,
but
it's
all
pickup
right.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
trying
to
lean
in
the
brick
and
mortar.
R
In
fact,
I
see
it
as
something
leaning
away
from
me
and
into
something
else,
and
people
still
needed
to
eat
during
the
pandemic.
Yeah,
the
restaurant
didn't
work,
but
we
were
ordering
on
doordash
right.
You
know
stuff
still
had
to
get
ordered.
So
I
see
this
a
bit
different,
but
I
just
want
to
add
those
comments,
though,
but
I
like
the
church
idea.
Let's
bring
the
churches
in
as
new
smith
said
and
see
if
they're
interested,
because.
R
A
A
couple
of
those
things
there.
Yes,
I
will
just
echo
that
you
know
that
the
ghost
kit
that
the
shared
kitchen
model
is
different
than
the
the
it
is
an
evolution
in.
Maybe
all
regards
of
to
the
point
where
the
council
member
breakout
was
going
about
folks
adapting,
I
think
the
shared
kitchen
model
is
an
evolution,
particularly
with
the
new
take
out
only
model
that
has
shown
to
be
quite
successful
recently,
using
third-party
delivery
actions,
there's
a
little
startup
cost,
and
so.
A
Which
is
also
a
part
of
that
same
startup
model
for
ghost
kitchen,
particularly
particularly
the
ghost
kitchen
model,
and
then
you
know,
for
example,
everything
actually
already
is
a
grouper.
There.
A
Recently
saw
a
new
business
that
a
group
of
northwestern
students
started
they're,
doing
something
I
think
it's
like
a
chicken
and
waffle
type
thing
and
they're
operating
out
of
the
basement
of
ebenezer
church
on
the
weekend,
and
I
forget
the
name,
but
I
just
I
read
about
it.
You
know
the
but
that
they
were
following
to
go
kitchen
model
to
the
sea
and
they
were
likely
students
at
kellogg's
business,
school
and
and
putting
their
studies
to
practice.
C
Yeah,
I
I
want
to
just
speak
to
this
issue
that
we've
just
been
talking
about
of
the
vast
resources
that
we
have
in
our
churches
that
are
declining
congregation
signs.
So
several
years
ago,
before
most
of
you
are
on
the
council,
there
is
a
master
process.
Paul
will
come
and
remember
the
name
of
it.
C
I
think
they're
called
the
sources
called
bigger
spaces,
but
actually
they
did
a
survey
of
churches
in
evanston
and
churches
and
religious
organizations
in
evansville
to
to
work
with
the
churches
and
various
not-for-profit
groups,
or
possibly
for-profit
groups
to
try
and
pair
them
to
match
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
our
churches.
C
Our
resources,
our
churches,
with
some
of
these
like,
for
instance,
arts
groups,
because
I'm
sure
many
of
you
we've
all
seen
that
there
are
some
of
our
churches.
Have
these
not
only
commercial
kitchens,
but
they
actually
have
stages
in
them
and
places
where
you
could
rehearse
a
play
or
a
place
where
you
could
build
scenery
or
a
place
where
you
should
have
musical
practices.
C
And
so
I
will
ask
the
team
manager
to
to
produce
that
we
had
an
intern
who
worked
on
this
so
a
number
of
summers
ago
that
did
an
inventory
of
these
types
of
sacred
places
and
paired
them.
C
The
not-for-profit
acted
as
a
liaison
between
the
church
and
various
other
groups,
comparing
them
to
help
them
negotiate
leads
arrangements,
because
this
is
this
untapped
resources
that
that
fit
in
our
community
that
are
kind
of
invisible,
but
once
we
all
start
talking
about
them,
we
realize
how
many
commercial
grade
kitchens
we
all
know
and
then
how
many
other
spaces
that
we
all
know
that
aren't
used
as
they
were
originally
designed
to
be
used.
So
that's
all
I
just
wanted
to
raise
up
this
year
and
highlight
that
forever.
C
A
Thank
you,
member
of
what
yes,
certainly.
U
Just
a
quick
thought
as
long
as
we're
on
that
I'd
like
to
say,
we
have
evanston
township
high
school
right
at
the
cross,
section
of
the
fifth
and
second
ward,
with
incredible
amount
of
wonderful,
untapped
community
space
on
weekends
and
evenings.
I
just
think
at
some
point.
We
should
start
considering
having
talks
to
see
about
using
some
of
the
spaces
there
and
everything
we
have
theater,
there's
gyms
gyms
that
sit
every
day
hour
after
hour
day
after
day.
You
know
so
many
I
mean
so
much
so
I
think
that
discussion
needs
to
start
soon.
U
Yeah.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
is
certainly
a
discussion
with
that
separately,
fair
captain
discussion.
Thank
you.
Councilmember
wayne.
A
For
bringing
in
that
insight
and
for
directing
us
to
that
study,
one
last
thing
I'll
just
want
to
note
before
we
move
on
is
that
I
do
believe
one
place
that
we
are
one
place
where
these
shared
kitchens
will
also
be
helpful,
is
with
our
new
food,
cart
and
food
peddler's
permit
or
license
that
we're
we
are
allowing
in
chicago,
and
I
think,
there's
a
blind
spot
in
our
ordinance
is
in
chicago.
A
They
require
anyone
applying
for
their
food
cart,
license
to
have
a
connection
with
a
commercial
kitchen.
Currently
in
our
ordinance,
it's
silent
on
that,
and
so
this
will
also
help
those
food
cart
folks
have
space
to
connect
with
the
commercial
kitchen.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
reverse
discussion
and
for
all
the
ideas
that
were
brought
there.
I
think
paul.
A
We
have
sufficient
directions
for
us
to
continue
this
discussion
over
the
next
few
months
and
so
that,
if
there's
nothing
further,
that
brings
us
to
our
last
discussion
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
which
is.
A
Is
approved,
I'm
sorry,
this
a
discussion
on
an
object
or
city
code
to
commence
lounges.
There's
a
motion
on
that.
L
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
this
is
a
referral
that
I
made
a
few
months
ago
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
Maybe
at
the
end
of
last
year
there
are
a
number
of
businesses
in
the
memo
and
even
states
that
you
know
roughly
ten
businesses
a.
E
A
A
Currently,
our
ordinance
does
not
allow
for
the
operational
super
lounges.
I
want
to
give
a
bit
of
context
as
to
while
I'm
pushing
it.
I
heard
earlier
all
those
comments
folks
were
concerned
about
the
health
impact
of
tobacco,
and
I
am
concerned
about
that.
I
I
do
not
know
myself.
I
am
not
a
tobacco
smoker,
and
so
I
I
understand
those
public
concerns,
but
I
also
want
to
bring
in
to
light.
You
know
some
cultural
differences
here
and
you
know
in.
E
A
And
evanston,
yes,
we
are
a
place
that
was
a
leader
of
prohibition,
but
we
certainly
have
prohibition
of
alcohol,
but
alcohol
is
flowing
through
many
livers
here
in
in
the
city
of
evanston,
and
alcohol
has
a
number
of
different
effects
as
well,
particularly
when
over
consumed,
but
we
and
and
those
are
moral
implications,
and
so
we
decided
that
we
were
not
going
to
believe
the
morality
of
alcohol
and
and
have
both
returned
prohibition
and
culturally
within
the
particularly
within
the
muslim
community,
to
our
muslim
brothers
and
sisters
they
if
it
is
not
permitted
by
their
religion
to
consume
alcohol
and
so
common
cultural
practice,
whereas
america
and
maybe
home
christian
cultures,
alcohol
is
the
place
or
a
bar
is
where
folks
gather
and
have
a
drink
together
and
communicate
and
build
community
in
some
muslim
communities.
A
I
think
we
should
allow
the
cultural
norm
of
all
of
our
neighbors
to
be
enjoyed
here.
Chicago
allows
two
collapses,
so
he
allows
different
lounges
there
is
you
know?
Not
only
is
it
a
cultural
argument
in
the
the
you
know,
the
welcoming
neighbor
argument,
but
also
you
know,
these
are
solid
businesses
that
would
bring
in
solid
tax
revenue
as
well.
So
I
will
leave
it
there
and
opening
the
committee.
It's
usually
a
since
this
is
my.
R
So
paul
would
this
change
not
only
potentially,
if
approved
by
council,
because
I
think
what's
being
considered
here
is
it
would
be
a
special
use.
It
will
require
special
use
permit,
but
with
this
not
only
permanent,
if
approved
by
council,
who
build
lounges
but
also
cigar
mileages,
as
well
as
cannabis,
lounges
consumption
lounges,
because.
E
R
B
B
I
have
invited-
or
we
have
invited
a
lot
of
departments
today,
excellent
to
help
support
us
on
this.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
win
that
before
I
say
anything,
but
I
don't
really
have
it.
I
don't
really
know
from
the
perspective
of
the
law,
but
I
know
that
we
can
drop
our
ordinances.
V
That's
correct:
you
would
make
it
as
specific
and
restrictive
as
you
wish.
It's
not
open-ended.
So
if
you
allow
one,
it
doesn't
automatically
equate
to
everything
so.
E
Because
our
reparation
is
fun.
R
Is
is
in
some
ways
tied
to
the
success
of
our
the
local
get
in
this
program
again.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
at
least
allow
people
to
make
the
case
for
cannabis
lounges
and
we
can
deny
them,
but
at
least
they
can
apply
for
special
use.
You
know
google
lounges
I
want
to
you
know.
I
have
received
quite
a
few
requests
about
it,
but
I'd
love
to
to
hear
more
from
the
members
of
the
committee
about
how
they
feel,
but
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there.
R
Reduces
the
amount
of
people
that
consume
hookah,
it's
a
it's
a
big
thing:
people
just
go
elsewhere
to
do
it
and
but
yeah,
I'm
hoping.
I
want
to
hear
more
from
you,
but-
and
I
will
I
do
want
to
highlight
that
I
want
to
acknowledge,
though
there
has
been
a
movement
to
you
know,
to
ban
flavor
tobacco.
So
I
want.
R
The
gentleman
who
spoke
about
that
that
is,
a
movement,
and
I
want
to.
R
It
I
think,
I'm
more
concerned
at
the
at
the.
R
R
I
think
hygge
lounges
are,
I
believe,
parting
at
the
door
and
have
security
and
there's
a
another
level
of
scrutiny
that
I
don't
think
exists
at
corner
stores.
But
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
so
but
love
to
know
about
the
other
members
think.
Q
Since
I
was
asked,
this
is
just
speaking
from
my
own
personal
opinion,
because
this
is
not
something
that
I
have
been
approached
by
any
of
my
constituents
about.
Q
I
would
I'm
not
super
thrilled
about
the
idea
I
do
would
like
to
live
in
a
community
where
anybody's
allowed
to
make
their
case,
so
this
is
not
something
I
would
advocate
for.
If
somebody
made
their
case,
I
would
allow
them
to
you
know
I'd
like
to
allow
somebody
the
possibility
of
making
their
case
and
any
support
I
would,
I
would
foresee
giving
would
be
that
investment
budget.
Q
S
I'll
be
quick
to
weigh
in
because
the
same
people
that
spoke
to
you
reached
out
to
me.
I
was
concerned
about
the
legal
aspect,
so
we
don't
have
to
get
into
it
now.
But
if
we
are,
I
was
on
the
council
when
we
go
to
dance,
making
and
and
bars,
and
all
the
emotion
that
comes
with
it,
and
I'm
not
really
excited
about
opening
up
that
can
of
worms.
S
The
other
piece
that
I
will
speak
personally,
but
I
would
like
to
understand
the
difference
between
tobacco
was
smoked
in
a
in
the
hookah
as
well
as
cannabis,
because
I'm
more
supportive
because
I've
I've
been
approached,
and
there
are
people
that
are
asking
once
those
licenses
come
out,
edible
infusion
lounges
as
well
as
cannabis.
So
I'm
more
leaning
towards
that,
because
I
understand
it
a
lot
better
than
I
do
with
stuff.
But
if
it's
we
can
get
more
information,
we
can
revisit
it
later.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
If
I
can,
unless
there's,
I
would
like
to
respond
to
your
your
question
there
about.
A
You
referenced
passing
the
ordinance
previously
that
banned
smoking
in
in
bars.
E
A
I
was
not
on
the
council,
then,
and
I
was
likely
too
young
to
even
buy
any
kind
of
thing
to
smoke
at
that
time
as
well.
I
think
that
was
yeah,
maybe
2011
or
maybe
earlier
for
that,
but
I
am
supportive
of
that.
I
think
there
is
a
difference
between
both
sparking
up
the
cigarette
in
a
more
public
restaurant,
where
you
know
anyone
would
could
or
would
be
a
in
fact,
I
remember
the
day.
A
My
grandmother
was
a
smoker
and
I
remember
the
smoky
perception
in
in
restaurants,
which
you
know.
I
forgot
that
that
was
even
a
thing
and
smoking.
You
know
in
all
kinds
of
places
and
I'm
certainly
glad
those
days
are
over,
but
I
do
think
there
is
something
slightly
different
about
a
place
that
is
specifically
designated
for
smoking,
you're,
not
entering
a
hookah
lounge
or
a
camp
at
this
consumption
lounge.
I
think
they're,
really.
A
I
wouldn't
look
at
them
too
differently.
A
kind
of
canvas,
lounge,
they're,
essentially
the
same
thing,
it's
just
a
different
substance
being
being
inhaled
but
again
there's
specific
requirements.
I
think
it
was
mentioned
here
that
there
is
in
an
independent
ventilation
system.
So
if
you're
so
you're,
not
if
you're,
let's
say
you're
in
a
building
that
has
multiple
units
you're
not
having
that
smoke
travel
into
other
units,
in
fact,
other
folks
is
it's
being
ventilated.
A
D
Would
be
much
more
in
favor
of
allowing
for
cannabis
lounges,
because
there
isn't.
You
know
a
40-year
body
of
science
outlining
significant
health
risks,
and
you
know
when,
when
we're
talking
about
a
social
situation,
you
know
particularly
now
coming
out
of
the
last
two
two
and
a
half
years.
There
is
a
significant
demand
for
more
social
outlets,
more
social
activities,
ways
to
connect
with
people.
S
Can
I
just
close
out
by
saying
move
this
forward
councilmember
reid?
Maybe
you
might
want
to
go
back
to
the
same
guys.
I
have
their
number
and
I
I
don't
know
which
is
going
to
be
the
path
of
least
resistance,
but
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
they
explore
and
I
can
partner
them
with
some
of
the
folks
who
are
looking
to
get
into
edibles
and
with
cannabis,
lounges
and
see
if
they
want
to
pivot
into
that
space
versus
going
down
this
rabbit
hole
and
the
controversy,
just
as
a
reminder
was
not
the
smoking.
S
I
think
there
was
unilateral
support
from
that
from
people
in
the
town,
but
the
issue
is
that
we
included
vaping
and
that's
where,
to
your
point,
the
long-term
studies.
That's
where
the
controversy
was
because
there
were
some
that
believed
that
vaping
was
a
better
alternative
than
cigarettes,
and
I
guess
the
science
proofs,
otherwise.
A
Concerns
and
we're
worried
about
morality
and
folks,
becoming
addicted
and
and
and
other
health
and
mortality
outcomes.
Because
of
the
substance,
I
I
would
rank
alcohol
right
up
there
as
a
very
deadly.
Very
you
know
detrimental
substance
to
our
society,
but
it
is
a
cultural
norm
to
consume
alcohol
in
our
society.
A
And
that
is,
I
would
also
reflect
on
that
as
being
a
cultural
norm,
and
so
if
we
agree
that
we
should
you
know,
ban
substances
because
of
either
moral
concerns
or
because
of
health
concerns.
I
I
would
think
that
we
take
a
similar
approach
to
across
the
board,
or
you
know,
put
our
cultural
biases
aside.
A
So
I
will
end
with
that.
I
appreciate
the
discussion.
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
direction,
I
guess
I
do
want
to
clarify
if
there
is
direction
that
I
guess
I'm
thinking
that
folks
are
not
supportive
of
who's
alone,
but
may
be
supportive
of
a
kansas
lounge
and
so
is
the
direction
to
trust
that
and
I
will
actually
put
in
the
cannabis
referral
to
come
back
with
the
proposal
allowing
consumption
of
cannabis
in
you
know
the
focal
labs
that
would
allow
candidates.
A
And
then
particularly
directing
those
those
that
resonated
reparations
as
well.
A
Okay,
so-
and
I
want
to
be
clear-
this
committee
is
also
saying
no
to
the
hook
a
lot,
but
you
know
how
to
dispatch
this.
I
still
support
this
I'd
like
this
to
come
forward.
I
would
like
particularly
ending
ramadan
I'd
like
us
to
make
options
available
for
our
muslim
brothers
and
sisters
who
want
to
find
community,
albeit
or
something
that
we
maybe
kids
health
concern
and
they
look
it
up
and
let's.
A
See
from
the
committee
are
we
willing
to
allow
our
neighbors
to
engage
in
their
cultural
activity
in
our
community?
Are
we
going
to
say
no.
E
R
Have
alcohol
it
would
it
would
we
would
not
do
as
well
as
other
places.
It's
not
like
the
place
you
go
quietly
and
and
infrequently
right
like
in
our
cars
and-
and
you
know,
lift
this
place
up
and
lift
our
economy
up,
and
so
it
is
something
we
make
available
for
people
who
or
that
is
culturally
acceptable.
So
I
just
want
to.
R
B
So
this,
mr
terry,
if
I
may
council
member
briefly
ahead
of
his
handbrake,
no,
this
is
obvious,
okay
and
then,
secondly,
remember
this
is
a
this.
J
A
I'm
just
asking
for
clear
direction
on
you
know
is
this:
you
know
what
what
are
we
doing
with
this
item
tonight
you
know,
is
it?
Is
it
not
being
brought
back?
Are
we
for
the
end
of
ramadan
telling
our
muscle,
brothers
and
sisters
that
we
do
not
accept
their
cultural
conditions
here.
C
M
A
We're
making
a
cultural
and
moral
determination
on
someone
else's
spiritual
belief
and
we're
saying
that
we
don't
want
that
you're,
not
you
know,
I'm
welcoming
in
that
way.
C
I
I
I
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
say
whether
I
am
making
a
cultural
condemnation
of
someone
or
not.
I
think
if
someone
from
the
muslim
community
came
forward
and
expressed
a
desire
to
do
this
and
explained
it
to
the
council
and
other
members
of
the
community.
C
Do
that,
but
I
have
to
say
I
take
offense
as
you're
deciding
that
it's
my
my
decision
not
to
move
pursued.
It
forward
is
anti-muslim.
So
I
I
I
I'm.
C
E
C
Have
is
that
this
is
the
same
as
tobacco
smoking,
it's
not
actually
more
more
damaging
and-
and
I
heard
what
she
said
about
prohibition
I
was
on
the
council
when
we
banned
smoking
and
restaurants.
C
Entire
discussion-
and
so
I
don't
have
enough
information
to
be
interested
in
moving
this
forward
at
this
time,.
A
A
All
right,
so
we
have
one
item
on
the
agenda
and
that
is
the
academic
economic
development
activities
report
for
4,
20
22
and
I
believe
folks
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that.
I
suppose.
B
A
Development
committee
membership
that
that
is
going.
The
referral
has
been
made
by
the
city
manager
in
paul,
and
I
believe
that
the
the
update
that
we
thought
that.
B
S
B
Q
Mr
chair,
one
announcement
I
would
like
to
make
in
light
of
our
recent
award
of
two
million
dollars
of
arpa
funding
for
the
north
light.
North
lake
theater
is
planning
to
do
the
demolition
of
the
current
building
within
the
next
month,
assuming
the
permits
all
fall
into
place
and
have
reported
to
me
that
their
fundraising
efforts
have
been
supercharged.
J
Q
Construction
won't
begin
right
away,
it's
cheaper
for
them
to
maintain
an
empty
lot
than
it
is
to
maintain
an
empty
building.
So
they're
going
to
do
the
demolition
as
soon
as
possible.
Do
the
construction
as
soon
as
they
raise
the
rest
of
the
money.
S
S
Now
that
we're
in
that
activity
of
landscapers,
I've
received
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
residents
that
are
I'll,
just
use
my
own
with,
I
think
misappropriating
resources,
so
we're
now
getting
911
calls
for
landscapers
who
are
using
gas
flows
and
so
that
that's
the
concern
that
it's
it's
it's
very
targeted
to
that
group
and
that
again
we
have
a
limited
police
staff
going
and
chasing
now,
because
they
have
to
respond
for
people
who
are
using
the
gas
stores.
And
so
it's
it's
a
clarifying
question,
which
is
so.
S
It
should
check
the
carp
plan
because
we
are
now
removing
those
gas
flows.
Your
average
blower
electric
is
anywhere
from
299.
Our
average
amount
that
we've
given
out
for
restaurants,
other
entrepreneurs
is
right
around
2500,
and
so
what
I'm
suggesting
to
our
committee
to
our
staff
is:
if
we
can
advertise
this
fund
target
our
landscapers,
if
they
can
start
applying
right
now,
they
have
to
be
in
everson-based
business
registered
with
our
city
of
evanston
and
just
to
keep
it
fair.
S
J
B
Ways
one,
I
think
our
entrepreneurship
support
program
has
somewhere
around
45
000
left
in
it
for
the
year.
I
would
I
would
I'll
take
it
a
step
further
and
say
we
have
around
125
000,
that's
unallocated
for
the
year
that
that
kind
of
resides
in
a
business
district
improvement
fund.
Considering
that
we're
we
just
spoke
today
about
you,
know
a
business
district
planning.
B
S
S
B
So
we
could
come
back
at
the
next
meeting,
with
adjustment
to
the
entrepreneurship
fund
or
some
other
way
of
doing
it
or
even
literally
allocating
some
amount
for
this
purpose.
S
S
So
here's
what
you
don't
want
to
do,
just
like
we
heard
from
a
business
owner
who
knows
a
business,
you
have
them
come
in
with
their
products.
You
know
what
I
mean.
That
is
an
example
I
mean
they
can
make
a
case
that's
up
to
2500,
but
I
think
we're
we're
a
lot
closer
than
we
are
separate.
I
just
think
the
the
key
thing
is
to
be
able
to
do
it
quickly
because
they're
just
now
ramping
up.
S
So
if
we
have
the
money,
if
people
have
come
for
many
different
things,
laptop
computers,
whatever
the
case
may
be
we're
not
creating
something
new,
so
it
doesn't
require
referral
and
a
lot
of
conversations
if
anything
else
supported
through
the
car
program.
This
is
something
that
our
city
is
doing.
I
think
it
wasn't
easy.
A
S
R
B
Well,
the
short
answer
is
no
right.
I
do
believe
that
this
texas
community.