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Aye
and
with
the
eyes
having
that
that
passes
can
I
have
someone
move
approval
of
the
March
6th
minutes.
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A
A
H
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Dan
Coyne,
9th
Ward
resident
honorable
chair
city,
council,
members
and
staff.
Thank
you
for
your
care
and
service
to
our
community.
It
means
it
makes
a
difference.
You
make
a
difference
I'm
here,
to
support
something
on
your
conversational
table
today
and
that
simply
is
the
accessory
gaming,
I'm
100,
supportive
of
piloting
and
accessory
gaming
in
Evanston
restaurants.
H
I,
understand
the
hesitancy
given
the
historical
addictions
and
corruption
in
this
particular
field,
but
as
in
an
all-new
legal
endeavors,
one
can
Envision
oversight,
guard
rails
and
proactive
supports.
After
all,
we
seem
to
have
managed
our
Dry
Town
hurdles
without
the
entire
city
going
in
flames
and
if
you've
noticed,
our
bakeries
are
flourishing.
Despite
the
medical
needs
that
our
community
has
in
slowing
down
on
some
of
the
unhealthy
Foods
in
town
and,
let's
not
forget
the
creative
reparations
lift
in
our
recent
THC
and
ordinances.
H
Perhaps
gaming
can
have
similar
successes
beyond
the
projected
Financial
gains
for
restaurants
in
our
city
budget.
I.
Do
look
forward
to
learning
how
we
might
incorporate
a
fun,
entertainment
gaming
pilot
to
help
our
business
neighbors
and
patrons.
My
question
is
simply
this:
why
send
evanstonian
dollars
into
other
communities
when
we
could
invest
right
here,
for
instance
at
The,
Firehouse
Grill
and
at
the
Blue
Stone?
Thank
you
so
much.
I
Good
evening
committee,
my
name
is
Robert
Beatty,
a
25-year
resident
of
Evanston
on
the
south
end
in
the
eighth
Ward
full
disclosure
I
am
a
sales
rep
account
manager
for
Eureka
entertainment,
doing
business
as
a
universal
gaming
group.
So
we
manage
about
200
locations
throughout
Illinois,
with
50
percent
of
the
municipalities
opting
out
and
50
percent.
Opting
in,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
growth.
I
There
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
not
only
myself
but
I,
have
an
agreement
with
full
disclosure
with
Pat
Fowler
of
firehouse
and
blue
stone,
and
we've
been
talking
in
some
months
passed
and
decided
that
it
was
time
to
bring
the
conversation
through
committee
and
bring
it
to
the
council
and
bring
it
to
the
city.
Pat
Fowler
is
the
owner
of
both
of
those
establishments,
but
he
also
owns
the
candlelight
and
Pat
employs
about
130
people
in
Evanston.
He
was
the
only
business
owner
to
actually
add
to
his
business.
I
He
was
only
business
only
to
add
to
his
business
during
the
during
covet,
so
he's
pivoted
many
times
he
started
out
as
part
owner
of
Candlelight
and
then
moved
to
Firehouse
and
then
to
Bluestone.
He
is
an
evanstonian,
that's
helped
out
many
non-profits
and
I
really
want
to
deal
quickly
with
the
stigma
of
gambling
examples.
I
You
can
gamble
on
your
phone.
You
can
of
course,
gamble
at
CVS
through
the
lottery
which
we've
all
done
when
it's
hit
a
billion
local
liquor
licenses
in
Evanston
I
am
proposing
a
a
two-year
pilot
for
accessory
gaming
in
a
place
like
Firehouse.
That
already
has
Amusements
and
I'm
going
to
stop
there.
Thank
you.
J
Hi,
my
name
is
Bill
Casper
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Westminster,
Place
and
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
about
the
fair
work
ordinance
director
ogbo
also
I
speak
directly
as
a
health
care
provider.
We
appreciate
the
Mel
well-meaning
of
the
ordinance.
However,
we
have
strong
concerns
about
the
proposed
legislation
and
request
that
it
not
be
approved
or
move
forward.
We
understand,
since
the
original
presentation
of
the
ordinance
the
sponsors
have
agreed
to
eliminate
hospitals
and
all
other
licensed
Health
Care
Facilities
from
its
jurisdiction.
J
If
the
the
legislation
does
not
best
proceed,
we
strongly
assert
that,
in
addition
to
Health
Care
employers,
nursing
homes
and
the
providers
included
in
that
group
should
also
be
excluded
from
the
Evanston
ordinance.
Many
of
the
same
reasons
apply
to
our
organizations,
and
that
is
why,
in
most
jurisdictions,
Across
the
Nation,
where
such
ordinances
have
been
enacted.
Both
groups
of
Health
Service
Providers,
have
been
excluded.
J
Westminster
Place
is
a
long-term
care
provider
and
a
highly
regulated
industry.
We
Post
our
staffing
schedules
four
weeks
in
advance
managers,
recognize
that
this
is
an
important
driver
of
employee
morale
and
engagement
and
work
to
ensure
that
any
known
scheduling,
changes
for
which
employees
need
accommodation
can
be
implemented
on
a
timely
basis
and
proper
staff
coverage
can
be
arranged,
protect
the
health
and
safety
of
residents
and
staff.
Westminster
Place
employees
are
instructed
not
to
report
to
work
if
feeling
unwell,
making
same-day
call-offs
unavoidable.
J
The
covid-19
pandemic
has
also
impacted
our
operations
resulting
in
staff,
scheduling
and
recruitment
challenges.
We
work
diligently
to
ensure
that
Staffing
levels
are
maintained
to
provide
high
quality
Care.
In
light
of
these
shortages,
Westminster
Place
uses
temporary
help
as
a
last
resort.
Our
residents
will
end
up
bearing
the
financial
burden
of
this
proposed
ordinance,
which
we
expect
could
be
well
over
250
thousand
dollars
per
year.
Please
do
not
allow
the
proposed
ordinance
to
limit
employers
flexibility
in
setting
worker
schedules
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
K
Good
evening
and
thank
you,
council
members
and
committee
for
allowing
us
to
speak
tonight,
my
name
is
Nadeem
abiantun
I'm,
the
Chief
Executive
Officer
of
Presbyterian
Homes,
a
non-profit
and
long-term
care
provider
in
the
Evanston
Market.
Since
1920
we
serve
470
residents
with
416
employees
on
the
west
side
of
of
Evanston
again
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
As
bill
has
mentioned,
we
run
a
very
complex,
24,
7
operation.
We
have
struggled
during
the
covid
time
as
well
as
postcovid,
with
a
with
the
worst
Staffing
shortage
experience
in
recent
U.S
history
on
a
regular
basis.
K
We
have
26
vacancies
that
we
have
to
fill
with
30
turnover
and
overtime
expenses
and
Agency
use,
which
adds
to
the
financial
burdens
that
we
already
have
experienced
through
covet
with
increased
expenses,
and
this
ordinance
the
work
week.
The
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
is
only
going
to
add
to
those
financial
burdens
of
not
just
Presbyterian
Homes,
but
all
Senior
Living
providers
in
the
Evanston
Market.
K
K
So
we've
been
really
continuing
with
the
covet
impact
up
until
very
recently,
this
financial
burden
will
get
passed
on
to
our
residents,
just
like
it
does,
with
with
any
institution
that
that
has
these
financial
difficulties
and
unfortunately,
with
significant
competition
in
the
North
Shore
and
across
city
lines,
residents
have
options
of
going
outside
of
Evanston
to
jurisdictions
that
don't
have
this
ordinance
in
place
and
will
be
able
to
provide
services
at
a
lower
cost
to
those
individuals.
I
appreciate
your
consideration
and
hope
you
support
us
in
preventing
this
from
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
L
Good
evening
this
I'm
David
Erickson
general
counsel
for
Covenant
living,
which
operates
three
crowns
Park
in
Evanston
three
three
Collins
park
has
been
serving
residents
of
Evanston
for
over
100
years.
I'm
also
here
to
express
my
concerns
with
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
as
Nadim
and
Bill
Casper
have
also
expressed
we're
as
a
nursing
care
facility.
L
We
have
24-hour
Staffing
requirements
that
is
governed
by
Illinois
Department
of
Public
Health,
and
also
the
centers
for
Medicaid
and
Medicare
services,
and
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
does
interfere
with
the
24-hour
Staffing
that
we
are
required
to
maintain
to
match
census
and
Acuity
of
our
residents.
Also,
the
the
fair
work
week
does
add
additional
costs.
L
That
would
only
be
passed
on
to
our
residents
at
three
crowns
Park,
and
for
that
reason
we
we
have
concerns
about
this
ordinance
and
we
ask
for
the
life
care
facilities
and
nursing
care
facilities
to
be
Exempted
as
this
discussion
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
N
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
Steven
Vick,
thanks
for
having
us
tonight,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
infant
Welfare
Society
of
Evanston
we've
been
here
since
1913
and
we're
speaking
tonight
in
support
of
one
of
our
employees
that
we're
hopeful
to
rename
the
pitner
alley
after
her
Geraldine
Jerry
pace
and
I
want
to
read
a
short
note.
N
I
will
put
it
in
the
record
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
Geraldine
Jerry
pace
and
the
amazing
commitment
and
contribution
she
has
made
not
only
to
the
infinite
Welfare
Society,
but
to
the
entire
community
and
City
of
Evanston.
Jerry
has
given
48
years
of
her
life,
I'll,
repeat:
48
years
of
her
life
as
a
teacher
educator,
caretaker,
nurturer
and
friend
to
our
organization
in
the
city
residence.
She
has
served
three
generations
of
families
that
have
come
through
our
doors.
Most
of
our
families,
from
the
beginning
of
our
operations
of
1913
have
been
low.
N
Income
High
needs
families.
Many
of
our
families
are
struggling
with
poverty,
housing
and
security.
Food
instability,
low
wages,
teachers
like
Jerry,
provide
safe,
stable
caring
and
loving
support
for
these
families
to
ensure
that
their
children
are
developing
socially.
Emotionally
and
beginning
language
acquisition
and
improving
fine
and
gross
motor
skills,
the
rigors
of
being
an
early
childhood
teacher
are
very
demanding.
N
It
is
incredible
to
think
that
Jerry
has
been
teaching
for
48
years
in
state
with
our
organization,
the
entire
time
of
her
long
and
impactful
education
career
on
behalf
of
iwsc
board
of
directors
and
myself,
the
current
executive
director.
We
thank
Jerry
pace
and
hope
the
City
of
Evanston
will
recognize
her
achievements
and
accomplishments
in
the
field
of
early
childhood
education
and
rename
the
pitner
alley
to
the
Geraldine
pace.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Pamela
Staples
and
I'm.
The
site
director
of
baby
toddler,
Nursery,
Child,
Care
Program
of
infant
oil
for
society
and
I
just
want
to
piggyback
from
Steve
Jerry,
is
actually
a
long-term
resident
of
Evanston.
She
grew
up.
She
was
born
and
raised
here
in
Evanston.
She
raised
her
daughters
here
in
Evanston
and
she's.
Also
she's
a
product
of
Evanston
Township,
High
School.
She
graduated
in
1972.
She
was
one
of
the
highest.
Her
graduating
class
is
one
of
the
highest
graduating
students
to
this
date.
M
So
I
just
want
to
say
if
if
I
will
read
a
letter
from
one
of
our
parents
who
just
gave
a
few
words
about
Jerry,
she
says
Dear
members
I
am
grateful
to
have
Jerry
Pace
in
my
life,
as
well
as
my
children
and
grandchildren.
In
my
eyes,
I
consider
her
family
I
am
forever
grateful
and
thankful
for
her
patience
and
the
guidance
she
gave
to
my
family
and
could
not
have
done
it
without
her.
M
M
P
Good
evening,
council
members,
my
name
is
David
merlett
I
work
for
Mather
and
I
represent
the
mother
Evanston.
The
Mather
Evanston
is
one
of
three
not-for-profit
Life
Plan
life
care
communities
in
attendance
this
evening,
and
we
are
present
to
oppose
of
fair
Work
Week
ordinance.
The
mother
Evanston
represents
335
resident
constituents
that
will
have
to
pay
for
the
costs
this
ordinance
imposes.
While
this
ordinance
does
little
to
address
the
incredible
challenges
we
are
dealing
with
because
of
the
great
pandemic
and
the
great
resignation,
there
are
many
things
about
this
ordinance.
P
We
follow
their
guidelines
to
ensure
exposed
employees
stay
off
work
long
enough
not
to
expose
others.
Our
industry
has
been
dealing
for
some
time
with
the
shortage
in
caregivers.
The
great
resignation
created
a
severe
shortage
in
caregivers
and
all
types
of
hospitality,
service
positions.
Our
nurses
and
Direct
Care
team
members
worked
tirelessly
to
provide
exceptional
care
to
our
most
vulnerable
residents.
We
must
comply
with
the
Illinois
State
Department
of
Public
Health
Staffing
requirements
and
follow
covet
protocols,
as
required
by
the
Evanston
Health
Department.
P
The
average
Mather
averages
six
call-offs
each
day,
and
most
of
these
must
be
filled
quickly.
We
strive
to
fill
every
shift
with
our
own
employees,
who
we
know
are
highly
trained
and
trustworthy,
but
we
it's
not
possible
to
wait
24
hours
for
a
part-time
current
employee
to
decide
whether
to
work.
We
must
have
enough
care
to
Staff
Care
staff
to
keep
themselves
safe
from
injury
and
burnout
and
ensure
the
resident's
health
and
safety
is
not
in
jeopardy.
P
We
take
issue
with
the
provision
that
we
offer
all
current
employees
72
hours
before
we
recruit
for
open,
longer
term
shift,
WE
Post
every
open
shift
position
internally
and
prefer
to
get
give
to
our
own
employees.
However,
we
can't
delay
72
hours.
We
oppose
this
and
we
hope
that
you
will
consider
the
exemption
for
Life
Plan
communities
and
the
nursing
homes
similar
to
the
hospitals.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Q
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight,
I'm
Sandy,
Johnson
and
moved
to
Evanston
54
years
ago
and
I'm
currently
living
in
the
First
Ward
I'm
speaking
this
evening.
Regarding
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
city
code
to
create
an
Evanston
Fair,
Work,
Week,
ordinance
I
believe
that
all
workers
deserve
healthy,
predictable
schedules,
but
also
believe
that
all
residents,
even
those
of
us
who
live
in
life
plan
communities,
need
a
safe
environment,
I
moved
to
a
Life,
Plan
Community,
the
mother
after
a
great
deal
of
research
three
plus
years
ago,
just
before
the
pandemic.
Q
After
coming
up
with
four
priorities,
one
I
wanted
to
remain
in
Evanston.
Two
I
wanted
to
be
in
a
safe
environment.
Three
I
wanted
to
be
in
a
community
where
both
residents
and
employees
were
valued
and
four
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
staff
would
be
available
to
care
for
me
until
the
end
of
my
life,
even
if
I
need
nursing
care.
Q
I
have
observed
My
Life,
Plan
community
meeting
my
four
priorities
during
my
stay,
while
the
fourth
priority
is
often
challenging.
All
staff
members
within
the
organization
are
valued
and
flexible
scheduling
to
accommodate
personal
needs
is
available.
There
are
times
when
staff
become
ill
or
leave
for
an
emergency
situation.
Q
Q
If
staff
members
are
not
available,
it
would
be
a
disservice
to
both
employer
and
residents.
If
fines
would
be
imposed
when
agency
help
could
fill
the
need,
residents
would
have
to
cover
the
cost.
I
call
on
the
members
of
the
Human
Services
committee
to
exclude
Life
Plan
communities
from
the
proposed
ordinance
to
ensure
the
safety
of
senior
residents
in
our
community.
A
Thank
you,
you
have
Sydney
is
a
Cohen
Cohen
Cohen,
followed
by
I,
can't
quite
read
this
name:
Diane
petersmark.
R
Hi
there
I'm
a
Northwestern
graduate
and
the
former
president
of
students
for
sensible
drug
policy
at
Northwestern,
University
I'm
here
today,
to
speak
in
favor
of
a
proposal
to
craft
an
ordinance
that
would
decriminalize
and
theogenic
plant
use
so
to
create
a
criminal
you
have
to
create
the
crime.
We
must
have
had
a
pretty
good
reason,
then,
to
create
criminals
out
of
enthiogenic
plant
users
right,
so
maybe
it
would
make
sense
to
criminalize
the
use
of
these
plants
because
they're
a
detriment
to
human
health,
but
evidence
shows
psychedelic.
R
Fungus
is
well
regarded
to
be
the
least
toxic
drug
known
to
man
associated
with
no
clinical
deaths.
Then
maybe
we
criminalized
it
because
they're
associated
with
an
increase
in
crime,
but
recent
evidence
as
recent
as
2022
shows
that
psychedelic
substances
and
the
use
of
them
is
associated
with
lower
odds
of
crime.
Arrests,
considering
our
country
has
the
highest
rates
of
incarceration
globally.
This
is
not
an
insignificant
finding,
so
like
other
criminalized
substances
and
theogenic
plants
must
be
dangerously
addictive
and
offer
no
health
benefits
yet
not
only
is
currently
available.
R
Evidence
showing
entheogenic
plants
do
not
result
in
dependence
or
addiction,
but
there
has
been
a
myriad
of
studies
showing
therapeutic
use
of
these
substances
is
actually
associated
with
treating
addiction
specifically
of
tobacco
and
alcohol
abuse.
Additionally,
these
enthiogenic
substances
are
showing
a
lot
of
Promise
in
treating
treatment,
resisted
depressive
disorders
and
anxiety
disorders.
Now
the
case
for
criminalizing
these
substances
seems
rather
flimsy.
Even
still.
The
measure
we
discussed
today
keeps
these
substances
regulated
and
simply
stops
persecuting
people
for
possession
or
use
these
plants
would
not
be
available
for
commercial
sale.
R
This
means
that
Evanston
can
reduce
unnecessary
policing
efforts
and
pave
the
way
for
future
Research
into
this
class
of
drugs
and
clinical
and
therapeutic
settings
following
Ann
Arbor's,
similar
decriminalization
effort,
which
was
unanimously
passed
by
their
Council.
They
cited
the
recent
17
million
dollar
initiative
by
Johns
Hopkins,
the
first,
the
research
in
this
area,
as
well
as
evidence
that
psychedelic
substances
can
be
used
to
treat
substance
abuse
disorders,
including
the
current
epidemic
of
opioid
abuse.
So
let's
encourage
the
pursuit
of
human
Liberty
and
decriminalize
enthiogenic
plant
use.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
S
I
think
over
the
years
we've
worked
with
feral
cats
on
our
property
and
they
work,
and
there
are
other
natural
solutions
to
the
rat
problem,
one
of
which
would
be
to
keep
your
garbage
area
clean,
which
the
restaurant
next
door
to
us
does
not
do
and
I
guess.
What
we're
saying
is
that
I
would
like
the
health
and
human
services
department
to
consider
more
natural
ways
of
controlling
rats,
because
what
they're
doing
now
is
not
working.
S
Rats
are
a
big
part
of
our
lives
here
in
Evanston,
and
they
shouldn't
be
that
big,
a
part
of
our
Lives.
They
can
be
controlled.
So
that's.
Basically,
it
I
hope
that
we
can
get
some
natural
stuff
in.
Thank.
T
Thank
you,
I'm
Norm,
Weston
and
I
live
at
Sherman,
Gardens
Apartments
same
place
where
Diane
lives
and
the
idea
of
watching
rats
crawl
around
every
night,
which
I
can
see
out
my
office
window
I'm
on
the
second
floor
and
my
bedroom
window
second
floor
and
all
I
need
to
do
is
open
up
and
within
15
seconds.
T
T
T
I
really
appreciate
the
work
of
Greg
Olsen
and
his
group,
who
are
going
to
try
to
take
this
stuff
on
in
the
house,
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
filed
two
complaints.
We
got
immediate
response.
People
were
talked
to
well,
the
rats
are
still
there.
Nothing
has
happened
so
I'm
asking
you
to
to
support
Greg
and
his
efforts,
and
actually
we
love
that
restaurant
and
we
want
to
be
good
neighbors
and
hopefully
they
will
as
well.
Thank
you.
C
A
U
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
very
much.
Chairman
had
a
case.
My
name
is
Percy
Berger
I'm,
an
evanstonian
of
a
little
over
52
years
and
I've
been
previously
affiliated
with
my
Integrated
Health
Care
system
at
North
Shore
for
a
period
of
time
more
than
22
years,
and
that
since
that
time
has
been
retired
and
doing
other
things
here
in
the
city,
I've
raised
a
family
here
and
all
of
those
members
of
the
family
took
advantage
of
the
great
opportunities,
resources
and
services
we
have
in
Evanston.
U
I
am
here
to
support
the
ordinance
or
the
fair
work
week,
but
with
a
couple
caveats,
first
and
foremost,
I
think
everyone
deserves
a
equal
opportunity,
a
fair
opportunity
to
work
to
be
paid
reasonably
and
to
be
received
fair
and
Equitable
treatment
with
respect
to
employment.
So,
therefore,
with
respect
to
the
cover
and
industries,
the
industries
that
most
of
the
other
parts
of
the
country
have
uniformly
included,
which
included
the
two
key
ones
that
we
have
included.
I
support
those
items,
however,
and
those
items
I
ever
I-
don't
support
it.
U
The
package
in
total,
the
ones
that
are
not
supported,
are
the
ones
with
respect
to
nursing
here,
nursing
homes
and
with
respect
to
Child
Health
Care,
while
technically
Child
Care
is
not
an
industry.
That
many
of
us
who
don't
have
kids
engage
with
is
one
of
the
most
important
areas
of
most
people's
lives,
the
beginning
where
we
want
the
very
best
for
our
kids,
including
Child,
Health
Care,
child
safety,
but
also
in
the
waning
years.
U
The
other
end
of
this
spectrum
that
people
here
have
spoken
so
eloquently
about
with
respect
to
nursing
homes
that
take
care
of
us
in
various
ways.
At
the
downside
of
that
cycle,
the
Integrated
Health
Care
Systems
cover
you
in
the
middle
of
that
cycle.
They
both
work
well
together
it
and
the
other
systems.
The
other
states
around
the
country,
the
other
municipalities,
accepted
predictive
scheduling,
did
not
include
almost
all
of
them
to
a
letter
did
not
include
these
two
and
I
think
those
two
should
be
excluded.
They
are
sufficiently
governed
by
state
county.
C
C
U
A
We
will
come
back
to
you
if
you
want
to
later.
Next
up,
we
have
Bernadette
Burke.
A
D
Passing
this
ordinance
would
be
a
small
but
meaningful
step
toward
dismantling
the
set
of
policies.
We
know
as
the
War
on
Drugs
today
in
Illinois
it
is
a
felony
for
anyone
to
possess
any
amount
of
psilocybin.
A
substance.
That's
been
proven
by
research
to
have
substantial
therapeutic
benefits
for
people
suffering
from
illness
and
trauma,
but
this
is
only
one
small
example
of
the
cruelty
of
the
drug
war.
D
D
While
there's
no
debate
that
sometimes
drug
use
can
be
very
harmful.
Jails
are
not
treatment.
Centers
incarcerating
people
with
substance
use
disorders
worsens
their
health
outcomes.
While
many
incarcerated
people
need
care,
the
vast
majority
will
never
receive
it.
Community-Based
treatment
can
be
provided
at
a
fraction
of
the
cost
of
treatment
in
a
jail
or
prison,
and
research
has
shown
that
voluntary
treatment
is
far
more
effective
than
coerced
treatment
through
the
criminal
legal
system.
D
If
we
really
want
to
see
fewer
overdose
deaths
and
less
drug-related
harm
in
our
families
and
our
communities,
then
we
must
turn
away
from
ineffective
and
harmful
strategies
of
prohibition
and
Punishment.
Our
public
resources
should
instead
be
directed
toward
increasing
our
capacity
to
provide
health
services
and
reducing
barriers
to
accessing
those
services
in
all
our
communities.
This
ordinance
is
one
small
step
in
the
right
direction
and
if
we
urge
your
support,
thank
you
great.
A
All
right,
we
did
receive
a
a
letter
concerning
the
fair
work
week.
I
can
kind
of
give
a
from.
Let's
see,
SEIU
Healthcare
Illinois
from
the
vice
president
and
director
Shabba,
Shabba
andrick,
and
they
wrote
to
us.
I
will
summarize
to
ask
for
us
to
remove
nursing
homes
from
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance.
That's
something
that
I've
forwarded
on
to
the
other
members
of
the
point
of.
V
V
G
Letter
I'll
just
read
the
last
two
paragraphs
here
quickly.
It
is
so
they
support
us
keeping
nursing
homes
in
and
they
say
it
is
critical.
It
is
crucial
to
consider
the
financial
burden
on
workers
themselves,
while
the
letter
there.
This
is
in
direct
response
to
the
letter
that
we
received
from
our
nursing
home
institutions.
While
the
letter
implies
that
residents
will
bear
the
financial
burden
of
the
ordinance,
it
is
essential
to
recognize
that
nursing
home
employees,
particularly
non-unionized
workers,
often
face
challenging
work
conditions
and
low
wages.
G
Which
is
below
the
living
wage
for
many
families,
implementing
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
can
help
alleviate
some
of
the
financial
pressures
that
these
workers
face
and
create
a
more
Equitable
Workforce.
In
conclusion,
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
has
the
potential
to
benefit
benefit
both
employees
and
the
organizations
they
serve,
especially
for
non-unit
unionized
workers,
who
lack
the
protections
provided
by
Union
contracts
by
promoting
stability,
predictability
and
fairness.
This
legislation
can
contribute
to
a
healthier
Workforce,
improve
care
for
residents
and
increase
employee
satisfaction.
A
All
right
all
right,
thank
you,
I
think
that
do
you
have
anything
else
in
late
emails,
so.
W
Okay,
my
name
is
Bernadette
Burke
and
I
was
called
earlier,
but
I
was
the
zoom
did
not.
Let
me
in.
A
Okay:
okay
start.
W
All
right,
thank
you.
I
am
Bernadette
Burke
I
am
president
of
frello
Productions.
We
are
located
in
the
Fifth
Ward
of
Evanston.
We've
been
in
the
City
of
Evanston
for
about
30
years
now
and
I'm
here
to
share
my
concern
with
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance.
My
organization
is
not
affected
by
this
organ
ordinance
directly,
but
I
am
concerned
on
behalf
of
the
small
businesses
with
50
to
40
employees.
W
This
size
group
of
employees
of
employers
is
frequently
challenged,
since
they
often
do
not
have
dedicated
HR
team
members
or
administrators
beyond
the
owner
and
I.
Ask
that
this
ordinance
be
rejected
or,
if
enacted,
that
the
minimum
employee
count
be
in
alignment
with
the
city
of
Chicago,
which
is
50
employees
or
greater,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
so
much
for
letting
me
speak.
A
Great
and
I
guess
I
will
do
one
last
check
if
Malika
Gardner
is
in
the
zoom.
A
Okay,
so
that
concludes
public
comment.
We'll
move
on
to
the
rest
of
our
agenda
I
will
make
a
slight
administrative
change
and
I
will
ask
for
someone
to
move
forward.
Hs5.
G
I
move
ordinance:
oh
okay,
I
move,
ordinance,
hs5,
establishing
evanston's,
Fair,
Work,
Week,
ordinance
and
and
I
just
want
to
note
a
point
of
informational
order
for
for
Ben
from
ACLU,
I
hope
you're
able
to
stick
around
in
case.
Some
of
my
colleagues
have
questions
about
the
decline
policy,
but
I
move
ordinance,
hs5,
ordinance,
24023,
establishing
evanston's
Fair
work
week.
G
I
did
not
expect
this
to
be
first,
but
I'm
really
happy
that
it
is
because
of
what
today
is
it's
May
1st
and
today
is
May
Day
it's
a
day
that
we
recognize
the
struggle
for
workers,
rights
and,
and
that
struggle
beginning
right
here
in
our
own
backyard,
in
in
Chicago,
our
neighbor
to
the
South,
and
so
this
is,
is
an
ordinance
that,
as
as
folks
know,
would
create
a
stable,
predictable
schedule
for
Evanston
evanston's
workers.
G
I
believe
that
it'll,
in
fact
help
curtail
some
of
the
staffing
issues
that
many
Industries
are
facing,
and
so
you
know
we
we've
seen
this
a
few
times
before.
At
this
point,
I
would
really
just
like
to
hone
in
on
a
few
questions
and
I
would
love
to
hear,
particularly
from
thank
you
from
our
nursing
home
industry.
G
I
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
and
misinformation
here,
because
I've
heard
numbers
in
in
timelines
thrown
around
that
don't
seem
like
they
can
port
with
what
this
ordinance
does,
and
so
I
would
love
for
any
of
the
providers
to
stay
specifically.
What
provision
in
this
ordinance.
You
are
most
worried
about
and
most
concerned
about
it.
You
know.
If
I'll
have
any
volunteers,
I
see
you're
kind
of
moving,
so
please
I
would
invite
you
up
to
the
microphone
to.
K
We
get
admissions
with
very
short
notice,
two
to
three
days:
residents
and
patients
have
options,
and
so
many
times
we
get
called
on
a
Friday
that
we
have
three
or
four
residents
coming
in
to
receive
rehab
in
our
facilities,
and
so
we
have
to
staff
up,
as
many
of
our
colleagues
have
said.
So
that's
one
is
the
Staffing,
the
census,
timing.
K
A
14-day
notification
period
for
schedule
changes
is
an
issue
for
us
because
many
times
when
we
only
have
two
or
three
notice
days
of
when
we
have
admissions
coming
into
our
community
or
residents
coming
or
leaving
the
the
duration
of
the
notice
period
for
schedule.
Changes
is
an
issue
for
us
so
that
the
14
day
is
an
issue
one
in
terms
of
Admissions
and
discharges
and
two
in
terms
of
call-offs
with
covid
we've.
K
K
So
if
somebody
is
sick
during
that
time
frame
and
and
like
you
can
you
can
probably
you
know
that
regulation
we
only
got
a
call
the
day
before
no
one,
you
know
the
14
days
is
a
big
issue
for
us,
because
that's
our
business
doesn't
operate
that
way.
In
order
to
protect
our
residents,
we
have
to
make
schedule
changes
when
an
employee
calls
off.
We
have
to
replace
them,
we
don't
have
the
option
of
not
replacing
them,
so
that
is
our
concern.
K
G
No,
no,
no,
no,
that
that
is,
that
is,
that
is
helpful.
I
I
think
I
I
still
am
not
directly
hearing
how
this
ordinance
prevents
you
from
being
able
to
to
meet
those
needs.
Yes,
this
ordinance
would
require
that
you
give
workers
their
schedules
14
days
in
advance.
G
G
You'd
have
to
give
them
time
and
a
half
but
I'm,
still
not
exactly
hearing
how
this
ordinance
would
prohibit
you
from
providing
the
care
that
you
need
and
what
and
I
don't
know
if
our
any
of
the
experts
that
we
worked
with
on
this
are
on
the
call,
but
what
our
research
with
the
researchers,
not
our
research,
what
the
researchers
have
found
is
that
oftentimes,
these
Fair
Work
Week
ordinances
lead
to
fewer
call-offs
and
lead
to
workers
because
of
their
schedule.
G
Predictability,
I
have
fewer
call-offs
and
more
stability
both
for
the
worker
and
for
the
agency.
Now
granted,
as
folks
have
mentioned,
nursing
homes
are
not
included
in
every
ordinance,
and
so
you
know
there
could
be
some
variants
there,
that's
unknown,
but
across
the
board,
when
this
has
been
researched,
it
has
led
to
more
stable,
well.
K
We
we
respectfully
disagree
with
the
research,
because
we
post
schedule.
No
one
wants
more
predictability
in
the
schedules
than
we
do.
We
post
schedules
six
and
four
weeks
out
for
our
employees.
We
follow
every
guideline
in
terms
of
trying
to
give
them
predictability.
We
work
with
them
on
a
those
who
want
part-time
work.
We
would
I
just
mentioned
earlier.
We
have
36
vacancies
as
of
today,
so
we
we
want
to
have
full-time
employees
come
work
for
us.
The
problem
is
that
there
is
unpredictability
as
much
as
we
try
and
plan
ahead.
K
There's
always
unpredictability
in
the
schedule,
especially
now,
with
an
over
alertness
on
infection
control
and
asking
our
employees
more
so
than
ever
to
stay
home
if
they're,
if
they're,
sick,
I,
think
that
adds
to
the
census,
challenges
and
the
unpredictability
of
our
senses.
So
that's
that
is
our
our
position
and
how
our
how
we
operate.
Thank.
G
You
and
I
I
can
ask
this
to
you
or
anyone.
If
there
was
a
Health
Care
Emergency
are
folks
treated
at
your
facility.
Are
they
treated
somewhere
else?
It.
K
K
As
you
can
imagine,
the
last
year,
with
our
Hospital
Systems
being
overwhelmed,
we've
really
served
as
a
secondary
care
area
for
the
for
hospitals,
so
they
were
discharging
to
us
a
lot
sooner
than
they
would
normally
do,
because
they
wanted
the
beds
to
provide
care
for
more
critical
cases,
and
so
we
are
next
I'm.
Sorry,
we
are
an
extension
of
the
Health
Care
system.
Thank.
G
You
for
that
and
last
question
for
you
here
is:
do
you
know
what
the
average
wage
for
your
you
know
ground
level?
Employees
are.
K
Minimum
wage
Presbyterian
Homes
today
is
17
an
hour
and
our
clinical
teams
earn
higher
than
that,
but
that
is
the
starting
point,
and
I
will
tell
you
that
there
we
have
very
few.
These
are
high
school
kids
who
work
after
school
in
our
dining
rooms
that
earn
17
an
hour.
Our
CNAs
are.
Our
nurses
are
much
higher
than
that.
Cnas
on
average
earn
about
22
dollars
an
hour.
G
I
I
will
certainly
allow
or
not
allow,
but
certainly
am
happy
to
hear
feedback
from
other
colleagues.
I
am
prepared
in
the
you
know.
Certainly
we
we
heard
feedback
from
folks
who
were
in
the
the
healthcare
industry.
We
took
that
feedback
into
consideration,
understood
the
unique
challenges
there
and
and
made
an
adjustment
to
this
ordinance.
A
So
I
have
one
quick
question
from
some
of
the
audience
members
one
of
you
mentioned
being
non-profit
status
and
can
you
kind
of
expand
on
on
the
non-profit
status
and
how
that
works
in
your
your
facility.
P
Speak
of
that
and
I
have
a
couple
concerns
about
other
Provisions
in
the
ordinance
that
I'd
like
to
at
least
respond
to
all
of
our
communities
are
not-for-profit
communities.
We
don't
have
a
set
of
investors
or
stockholders
for
our
businesses,
so
we
operate
and
the
dollars
that
the
residents
that
live
in
our
communities
pay
for
the
services
they
pay
for
the
operating
expenses
they
pay
for
the
capital
expenses
and
we
try
to
balance
out
basically
at
zero
net
income
at
the
end
of
the
year.
P
The
couple
things
the
provisions
that
I'm
concerned
with,
in
addition
to
what
Nadine
mentioned,
is
the
24-hour
notice
for
all
part-time
employees
to
fill
an
open
shift.
There's
no
way
we
can
comply
with
that
we
have
to
when
a
shift
comes
open.
We
have
about
at
the
matter
about
six
open
shifts
every
day
and
we
have
to
meet
minimum
Staffing
requirements
by
the
State
Department
of
Public
Health,
and
if
a
shift
comes
open,
we're
naturally
going
to
try
to
fill
that
with
our
own
employees.
P
But
if
they're
not
available,
we
have
to
call
temp
agency
immediately
and
get
people
in
to
fill
those
shifts.
There's
also
a
72-hour
notice
for
longer
term
shifts
that
are
available
that
are
going
to
be
more
permanent
again
in
this
Staffing
crisis
and
the
shortage
of
severe
shortage
of
of
nurses
and
CNAs.
We
have
to
kind
of
do
both.
At
the
same
time,
we
know
who
our
employees
are,
that
have
part-time
availability
and
we
certainly
strive
to
to
offer
up
them
more
shifts
long
term.
P
We
want
all
of
them
to
be
full-time
for
us,
but
we
also
have
to
simultaneously
start
recruitment
efforts,
there's
only
so
many
people
out
there.
Looking
for
jobs
and
they're
shopping
a
lot,
a
lot
of
organizations
and
you've
got
to
be
prepared.
So
those
are
two
areas
that
the
way
I
read
the
provisions,
there's
no
way
that
we
could.
We
could
possibly
comply
with.
G
To
that,
thank
you
for
raising
that
and
and
I
think.
This
is
an
example
of
where
there
are
genuine
concerns,
but
also
genuine
confusion
here
and
there's
nothing
in
this
ordinance.
That
would
prohibit
you
from
my
understanding
from
you
know.
If,
if
you
received
notice
in
less
than
24
hours
that
there
was
a
call
off,
the
requirement
is
just
that
that
employee,
who
is
going
to
come
in
to
fill
the
shift,
would
be
paid
time
and
a
half
for
for
the
less
than
24
hour
notice.
Y
Hi
good
evening
committee
members,
my
name
is
Allison
leipesterger
I'm,
the
policy
coordinator,
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
few
things
on
this.
First
of
all,
if
a
if
an
employee
calls
off
less
than
24
hours,
then
the
person
who
you
call
to
fill
that
shift
would
be
paid
one
hour
of
predictability
pay.
So
not
even
time
and
a
half
maybe
played
one
hour
of
predictability
pay.
This
means
that
if
you're
making
17
an
hour
and
you're
working
eight
hours,
you
get
17
times
eight
plus
another
17.
Y
Y
They
look
to
hire
only
part-time
individuals
instead
of
offering
it
to
their
existing
part-time
employees,
to
avoid
paying
for
benefits
again,
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
what
these
organizations
do
by
any
means,
but
that's
what
the
provision
is
meant
to
prevent.
It
doesn't
apply
to
shift
changes,
it's
only
for
hiring
new
staff
and
if
I
could
just
talk
really
quickly
in
general
about
the
the
ordinance,
because
we
haven't
quite
done
that
yet.
Y
So
let
me
just
give
a
very,
very
quick
overview
if
that's
okay,
first,
the
provision
give
the
ordinance
gives
a
right
to
predictability.
So
that
says
that
employers
have
to
give
14
days
notice
of
what
the
schedule
is
going
to
be
and
then
any
changes
that
come
up
within
24
hours.
A
person
gets
paid
predictability
pay,
which
is
just
again
another
hour
of
of
work
that
they
haven't
done
it's
to
compensate
them
it.
Y
The
second
provision,
the
main
perseveration,
is
the
right
two
additional
hours
again,
instead
of
hiring
more
and
more
part-time
employees
going
to
your
existing
part-time
employees.
First,
that's
when
you
have
a
set
amount
of
time
to
offer
those
hours
and
if
your
part-time
employees
don't
respond
within
72
hours,
then
you
can
go
out
to
the
public
they've
been
given
an
opportunity,
they
didn't
take
it
you're
you're
allowed
to
to
hire
more
folks,
and
then
the
third
is
the
right
to
rest.
Y
So
if
you
close
a
shift
and
then
you're
next
to
open
it
that
there's
like
11
hours
in
between
when
you
sign
off
work,
you
can
go
home,
you
can
sleep,
you
can
shower,
do
what
you
need
to
do
and
it's
11
hours
until
you
start
again.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
and
you're
compensated.
If
you
you
work
less
than
11
hours,
that's.
Y
Where
time
and
a
half
comes
in
that's
correct
and
in
any
employee
initiated
changes
don't
qualify
for
any
of
these
Provisions.
So
if
I'm,
an
employee
and
I
say
hey
I
want
to
change,
XYZ
I,
don't
get
compensated
for
the
changes
that
I
make
because
they're
on
me.
It's
really
to
help
the
workers
who
are
told
last
minute.
You've
got
to
do
this.
You've
got
to
do
that.
It
still
allows
the
employees
to
have
the
flexibility
that
they
need.
They
just
get
compensated
for
last
minute.
Changes.
Y
So
the
day-to-day
it,
the
ordinance
just
says
that
a
lot
of
these
things
have
to
be
in
writing.
So
you
can't
just
verbally
say
to
somebody:
can
you
come
in?
Can
you
come
in?
Can
you
come
in,
but
in
writing
can
be
a
text,
an
email.
It
does
not
have
to
be
anything
beyond
that.
Then
there
is
one
of
the
last
Provisions
in
here
is.
Y
Y
So
if
you
like,
take
a
screenshot
of
that
text
or
you
keep
that
text
that
is
keeping
that
record
for
three
years.
There's
not
you
know
a
ton
that
has
to
go
into
it,
Beyond
just
having
those
conversations
and
not
throwing
them
away.
Y
P
A
couple
more
questions,
I
I,
first
of
all,
I,
don't
I've,
heard
a
couple
of
times
that
a
Specialists
that
worked
on
this
consulted
with
Healthcare
professionals,
the
math
organization,
never
received
any
call
from
anyone
to
consult
on
this
ordinance
put
together,
so
I'm,
not
sure
who
y'all
consulted
with
I
think
this
is
written
poorly
at
best.
If
you
go
to
section
c
number
two,
it
says
when
the
covered
employers
offer
of
additional
work
under
this
section
is
for
an
expected
duration
of
two
weeks
or
less.
P
So
this
is
unclear
the
way
it's
drafted,
the
way
that
we've
read
it
and
our
other
live
playing
communities
have
read
it
it's
very
unclear.
So
this
leads
us
to
believe
that
if
we
have
open
shifts
our
part-time
employees,
we
have
to
give
them
24
hours
before
we
can
fill
those
so
I'm
I
raised
that
question
and
then
also
there's
just
no
way.
We
can't
start
recruiting
efforts
for
new
employees
and
give
72
more
hours.
You
can't
hire
someone
if
you're,
not
ready.
P
Every
organization
is
trying
to
condense
the
time
from
recruitment
to
hire,
because
you
lose
people
to
other
organizations
every
day
it
took
us
four
directors
of
nursings
to
hire
this
last
year.
They
accept
the
job
and
they
get
another
offer
from
someone
else
the
next
day.
So
it
is
a
difficult
environment
to
staff
and
to
provide
care
right
now.
This
is
not
going
to
help
us.
A
Allison
Do,
you
have
a.
Can
you
answer
that
question
around
the
24-hour
scheduling
I
think
you
already
did,
but.
Y
Yeah,
if
you're
offering
that
shift
to
an
existing
employee,
you
do
not
have
to
wait
24
hours
to
do
that.
If
you're
looking
to
hire
somebody
part-time,
a
new
person
part-time,
you
have
to
offer
it
to
your
existing
part-time
Staff
first
and
they
have
a
few.
They
have
72
hours
to
say
they
don't
want
to
be
full-time.
Essentially.
Y
G
You
know
that
would
be
maybe
before
you
go
out
for
a
long-term
temp,
potentially
that
24
hour
period,
if
you
expect,
the
work
to
last
two
weeks
to
me
seems
to
would
cover
a
template
agency
being
hired
to
cover
that
two-week
period.
You'd
have
to
offer
that
to
employees
first,
so
just
for
even
more
clarity
there,
you
know
I
I
I
am
supportive
of
you
know.
G
This
is
here
for
Action
I
I,
encourage
us
to
move
this
forward
to
council
I,
hear
the
concerns
of
the
nursing
industry,
and
maybe
there
are
you
know,
and
so
I
hear
those
concerns,
but
I
think
this,
particularly
since
these
are
employees
who
are
not
minimum
wage
employees
but
on
the
lower
end
of
the
wage
scale
that
these
are
particularly
the
employees
that
we're
looking
to
protect
and
make
sure
that
that
that
they
have
a
firm
rights
and
and
I
maintain
that,
with
this
Fair
Work
Week
ordinance
in
place,
I
believe
Evanston
will
be
a
more
attractive
place
for
workers
and
in
the
nursing
industry
and
the
rest
restaurant
industry.
G
Retail
across
the
board
and
I
believe
that
it'll
increase
the
level
of
service
for
our
seniors
and
for
the
folks
living
in
these
long-term
care
facilities
in
the
retail
spaces.
Where
this,
where
these
ordinance
have
been
ordinances,
have
been
researched,
it
shows
a
substantive
increase
in
worker,
morale
and
profit
for,
in
fact,
in
retail
studies,
there's
a
study
done
at
a
gap
was
a
Gap
or
Old
Navy
Allison.
G
Do
you
recall
one
of
the
two
I
think
they're
both
owned
by
the
same
folks,
either
way
and
there's
a
study
done
there,
where
they
applied
the
fair
Work,
Week
treatment
to
some
Gap
stores,
and
they,
you
know,
left
things
the
same
at
other
gap
stores
and
what
they
found
is
that
the
Gap
stores,
where
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance
was
or
where
a
version
of
this
was
in
place.
G
Those
stores
had
higher
sales,
those
stores
the
workers
reported
having
a
higher
morale
and
so
there's
a
benefit
both
for
the
an
end.
G
There
is
a
cost
savings
to
the
employer
with
this,
not
only
an
increase
in
sales
cost
savings,
greater
work
of
morale
and
I
believe
also
that
even
customer
satisfaction
I
may
be
fudging
on
that
one
a
bit,
but
even
customer
satisfaction
went
up,
and
so
you
know,
I
see
this
having
a
lot
of
upside
for
our
for
all
of
the
covered
Industries,
including
nursing
homes,
I
see
this
being
a
net
positive.
So
thank
you.
F
Well,
there's
another
group
of
employers
that
we
haven't
talked
about,
but
Mr
Berger
mentioned
them,
and
they
are
a
concern
for
me,
which
is
our
child
care
providers,
that
those
Child
Care
is
not
included,
for
example,
in
the
Chicago
ordinance
and
I.
We
have
one
representative
from
the
Child
Care
Community
here
tonight.
F
Y
Yeah
I
mean
it
would
be
the
same
as
as
any
entity
they'd
have
to
put
their
schedules
out
14
days
in
advance
and
they'd
have
to
pay
an
extra
hour
of
pay
every
time
somebody
takes
a
last
minute
shift.
Those
are
the
big
provisions
of
it.
Y
F
N
Speak
on
it,
but
so
from
my
understanding,
what
you're
saying
is
that
a
we
have
to
notify
our
internal
Staff
first
right,
if
there's,
if
we're
hiring
part-time,
okay
and
then
the
issue
that
you
just
brought
up
just
to
clarify,
you're,
saying
that
we
have
to.
If
we
have
a
shift
change,
we
have
to
provide
one
hour
of
pay
if
it's
within
24
hours,
I
mean.
Obviously
we
have
a
huge
challenge
with
Staffing
right
now
right
and
we're
we're
struggling
with
our
staff
coverage,
where
we've
even
had
to
close
classrooms.
N
Because
of
our
coverage
a
lot
of
times.
We
do
have
to
have
notification
of
staff,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
that
would
impact
us
if
I'm
correct
Pam,
where
we
would
have
to
let
someone
know
that
they
have
to
make
a
coverage
for
someone
who's
out
or
sick
or
what
have
you
and
that
would
cost
us
additional
dollars.
Yeah.
M
M
F
A
Councilmember
Ravel,
if
you
can
send
that
in
an
email,
please
councilman
Marine,
yes,.
G
X
And,
in
my
hand,
is
that
chair
just
oh.
X
Yeah,
the
How
would:
how
would
the
what
is?
How
does
the
ordinance
tree
someone
that
is
on
call
that,
which
is
was
just
described
a
moment
ago,
so
they're
aware
that
they're
on
call
you
know
for
for
certain
days,
and
so
it's
it's.
X
Y
G
How,
however,
just
disappoint
of
information
if
they
were,
in
fact
not
granted
the
hours
that
they
expected
there
would
be
a
penalty.
So,
if
someone's
on
call
they're
expected
to
receive
those
hours
and
the
only
time
a
the
worker
would
be
receive,
additional
compensation
is
if,
in
fact,
those
hours
were
canceled.
G
Y
Right
so
one
of
the
reasons
that
these
ordinances
are
so
important
is
because
what
some
people
have
to
do
if
they
don't
have
that
predictability.
Y
Is
that
they're
not
able
to
schedule
time
at
their
other
jobs
or
they're
waiting
around
to
find
out
what
their
schedule
is
or
they're
told
that
they're
going
to
work
at
you
know
on
Tuesday
and
Wednesday,
and
then
they
get
canceled
last
minute,
I,
don't
think
that
happens
as
often
in
like
child
care
and
nursing
homes,
but
in
retail
for
example,
which
is
why
retail
is
kind
of
the
main
thread
among
all
of
these
ordinances.
People
will
be
told
last
minute.
Y
X
X
Going
back
to
one
of
the
we
I
heard
something
else
earlier
and
it
seemed
like
the
gentleman
who
spoke
I'm,
not
quite
sure
the
company
or
organization
it
was
from
I,
think
it
was
one
of
the
the
I'm
not
sure
what
the
organization
it
was
from,
but
I
think
his
concern
was
the
amount
of
time
that
an
organization
or
company
would
have
to
wait
to
hear
back
from
an
employee
on
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
to
take
on
that
additional
work,
and
so
I
guess.
X
My
first
question
is:
is
that
the
concern,
because
our
response
did
not
seem
to
address
his
concern
if
I
understood
it
correctly
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
speak
to
that
I
thought
it
was.
Yes,
here's
the
opportunity
we're
going
to
offer
it
to
an
existing
employee,
but
we
have
to
wait
either
24
or
70
for
72
hours,
depending
on
the
circumstance,
and
it's
the
time
that
time
that
you
have
to
wait
to
hear
back
from
them.
That
was
a
concern.
P
That's
been
high
priority
for
three
years
and
we
we
as
well
as
I,
know
our
two
fellow
organizations
here
have
hired
employees
that
were
working
part-time
for
us
and
they
were
working
part-time
for
other
organizations.
We
basically
offered
to
pay
them
a
lot
more
just
to
come
work
for
us,
whether
we
had
the
hours
or
not.
P
It's
been
whatever
it
takes
to
bring
our
employees
on
full
time
and
to
retain
them
so
to
ask
us
to
wait
72
hours
when
we
already
know
which
one
of
our
employees
all
of
our
employees,
whether
they're
willing
to
take
home
more
responsibilities,
is
a
waste
of
72
hours.
So
that
is
just
not
not
smart.
Right
now,
for
us
and
I
do
have
to
ask
the
question.
P
The
Evanston
health
department
has
considered
US
Health
Care
facilities
for
many
years,
just
like
hospitals
or
Health
Care
Facilities
right.
We
all
we
provide
post
care
hospitals
provide
sub-acute
care.
How
can
you
tell
me
that
you
would
exclude
hospitals,
but
you
don't
exclude
us
we're
as
regulated,
if
not
more
than
hospitals
for
Staffing
ratios?
It
doesn't
add
up
so
I'd
love
to
have
that
question
answered
if
that's
possible.
O
G
I'd
like
to
to
take
that
question
first
about
the
72-hour
period,
which
is
nothing
in
this
ordinance,
would
prohibit
you
from.
If
and
if
you
within
that
72
hour
period.
One
of
the
employees
who
you
know
well
says
yes,
I
want
to
go
from.
You
know
from
30
hours
to
35
hours
bam.
You
you
filled
that
vacancy
and
you
don't
have
to
wait
any
longer
because
that
employee
who's
already
employee
has
agreed.
So
you
wouldn't
be
impacted
there
and
and
then
so
I'll
just
answer
that
and
then
director.
V
X
X
You
know
that
they
can
have
the
time
they
need
to
figure
out
whether
they
can
work
it
into
their
schedule
into
their
life
Etc.
But
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear
that
they
could.
The
employee
could
say
well,
I
need
time
to
think
about
this
and
you're.
You
have
to
wait
72
hours
until
they
get
back
to.
G
You,
which
I
think
is
reasonable
right
if
an
employee
is
going
to
make
that
kind
of
decision
about
their
life
that
they're
going
to
take
on
15,
whatever
additional
hours
I
think
it's
totally
reasonable
that
they
would
have
a
few
days
to
make
that
consideration
and
to
be
clear.
Nothing
prohibits
any
business
from
within
that
during
that
72
hour
period,
for
from
preparing
everything
they
need
to
do
to
advertise
the
new
position.
So
you
can
have
your
indeed
posting
and
everything
else.
X
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
and
I
I
feel
like
what
you
what
you
just
said
speaks
more
directly
to
what
the
concern
was,
which
is
why
I
wanted
to
bring
this
back
because
I
don't
think
the
the
response
is:
oh
well,
yeah.
If
the
employee
says
yes,
then
you
can
move
forward.
I
think
that's
the
best
case
scenario
and
one
in
which
everyone
would
would
appreciate
it.
Every
situation
that
ended,
you
know,
results
it
in
such
a
quick
response,
but
again
the
the
ordinance
would
allow
for
more
time
and
I.
X
Think
it's
that
time.
If,
if
you
know,
if,
if
somebody
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
that,
time
is
what
the
where
the
concern
originated
from.
So
thank
you
for
speaking
to
it
more
directly.
X
A
N
So
so,
as
I
said
I,
this
is
my
first
understanding
that
there
was
the
this
ordinance
and
that
maybe
some
ignorance
on
my
part
of
lack
of
keeping
up
with
the
ordinances
that
are
coming
out,
but
to
follow
up
with
council
member
Revell
I
would
like
to
read
the
ordinance.
We
have
a
Early
Childhood
Council
of
more
than
40
members.
That
I
think
would
be
more
than
interested
to
understand
the
ordinance
I.
N
Don't
know
enough
now
to
to
debate
the
issues
or
to
I'd
have
to
think
about
it
more,
but
I
think
it
I
guess
this
is
more
of
a
process
or
protocol
question.
I
would
think
that
you
all
would
want
to
speak
to
the
Early
Childhood
community
and
get
our
feedback
or
thoughts
on
this.
If
it's
something
that
might
impact
us-
and
it
sounds
like
from
what
Miss
Ravel
said-
that
Chicago
already
Exempted
Early
Childhood
for
a
reason,
so
there
may
be
reason
may
or
may
not
be
reason
to
exempt
Early
Childhood,
community
and
I
guess.
N
The
question
is:
why
is
there
a
need
to
push
this
so
fast
through
for
a
vote?
If
there's
an
entire
community
that
may
be
affected,
that
may
or
may
not
have
an
issue
with
it.
I
don't
know
enough
yet,
but
it
it
would
seem
that
if
there's
an
existing
Council
of
40
Early
Childhood
organizations
that
we
could
look
at
the
ordinance
give
you
some
feedback
and
thoughts
and
just
try
to
to
flesh
it
out
a
little
bit
before
there
was
a
decision
made.
So
that
would
be.
My
question
to
this
council
is.
N
Why
does
there
need
to
be
a
vote
today?
If
there's
an
entire
community
that
may
be
affected
that
hasn't
been
engaged,
which
is
kind
of
contrary
to
making
decisions
with
the
community
right?
So
so
I
would
ask
this
Council
to
maybe
pause
the
vote
or
to
reach
out
to
the
Early
Child
I'm,
the
vice
chair
of
the
Early
Childhood
Council,
and
soon
to
be
the
chair
of
the
the
Council
next
July
I
know.
N
Our
Council
will
be
interested
in
discussing
this
and
reading
the
ordinance
and
having
feedback
and
thoughts
about
it,
because
there's
a
lot
of
intricacies
within
Early
Childhood
from
full
day
part
day.
You
know
different
types
of
organizations
that
may
have
different
impacts,
so
I
don't
really
have
a
point
of
yay
or
nay
on
the
ordinance
at
this.
This
time,
I'd
like
to
read
the
ordinance
I'd
like
to
talk
with
my
colleagues
about
the
ordinance
and
then
give
some
feedback
and
thoughts,
but
it
certainly
sounds
like
if
Chicago
was
Exempted,
Early
Childhood.
N
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I'll
weigh
in
a
little
bit
as
to
where
I
kind
of
stand
on
this,
the
fair
for
work
week,
earnings
I,
think,
is
really
important
for
our
employees,
especially
in
kind
of
the
retail
area
and
I.
Think
you
know
we're
seeing
that
there's
a
lot
of
intricacies
around
like
certain
specific
industries
that
we
really
want
to
get
right.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
you
know,
folks
from
the
you
know,
nursing
care
industry
reached
out
to
me
last
Friday
and
you
know
I
absolutely
don't
know
that
much
about
how
they
operate,
but
one
of
the
things
you
know
initially
I
thought
this
is
like
a
healthcare
like
I
kind
of
was
wondering
why
they
weren't
included
in
healthcare,
because
there
is
I
think
the
key
component
that
like
covet
is
not
is
still
here
and
even
though,
like
I
feel
a
little
bit
guilty
that
I'm
not
wearing
a
mask
up
here.
A
It's
still
something
that
affects
us,
and
especially
our
elderly,
Community
and
children,
and
so
I
want
to
hear
from
director
okobo
his
his
take
on.
You
know
nursing
as
a
as
a
health
care,
profession,
industry.
Yes,.
AA
Well,
the
way
that
we
view
our
long-term
care
facilities
is
that
they
have
clinical
capacity.
There
are
a
number
of
them
who
have
units
that
are
skilled,
nursing
units
that
attend
to
our
elderly
and
and
others.
So
the
way
that
we
also
view
it
is
that
they
are
an
extension
of
the
hospitals,
especially
during
covid.
AA
We
saw
in
many
aspects
of
our
response
that
they
had
covet
units
where
they
were
taking
care
of
those
who
are
sick,
and
even
the
hospitals
in
many
occasions
release
them
earlier,
because
they
knew
that
they
will
be
taken
care
of
at
the
facilities
depending
on
the
level
of
illness,
of
that
individual.
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
facilities
that
are
skilled,
nursing
homes
are
the
ones
that
come
to
mind
now
is
symphony
apron.
All
the
new
States
I
believe
also
has
a
skilled
nursing
unit
within
its
facility.
U
Chairman
Percy
Burger
comment.
U
We
have
taken
a
look
at
every
city
and
state.
We
are
a
child
here
was
not
included
and
of
all
of
the
predictive
scheduling
that
have
been
approved.
To
date,
only
one
include
a
child
care,
and
that
was
in
fact
a
San
Jose
California
and
in
fact
only
two
have
included
nursing
care,
and
that
was
Berkeley
and
San.
Jose
and
Chicago
has
some
things
about
it
right.
No
one
went
after
these
two
industries,
except
for
two
California
cities
and
Chicago
has
a
modified
program
that
it.
C
U
G
You
I
I
want
to
note
for
us
that
the
average-
and
this
is
from
the
Department
of
Human
Services
for
the
state
of
Illinois,
that
the
reported
that
licensed
family
child
care
providers
reported
an
average
annual
net
income
of
14
999
dollars
per
year.
G
25
percent
of
family
child
care
providers
make
less
than
five
thousand
24
per
year,
and
this
is
from
the
Department
of
Human
Services
for
the
state
of
Illinois.
These
are
low
income
workers.
G
Fourteen
thousand
dollars
a
year
is
not
enough
to
live
in
Evanston.
That
put
you
some
of
us
know
that
would
put
you
below
20
of
Ami
I'm.
Sure
wages
are
maybe
a
bit
higher
at
your
facility,
maybe
quite
a
bit
higher,
but
this
is
an
industry
that
too
often
is
taken
advantage
of
and
again
not
casting
aspersions
toward
providers
that
are
that
are
with
us,
but
it
it
quite
often
is,
and
so
I
I
think
to
blanket,
remove
Child
Care
is
is
maybe
not
the
right
direction
to
go.
G
V
Note
that
you
know
Berkeley
is
a
pretty
smart,
City
and
now
I'm
thinking
San.
G
Jose
is
maybe
a
pretty
a
smart
city.
I
think
it
is
important
to
keep
these
workers
who
are
least
proximate
to
power,
who
you
know
quite
often
oftentimes
are
not
unionized,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
child
care.
Workers
do
not
have
some
of
the
protections
that
other
Industries
have
yeah
I
would
I.
G
Would
you
know
I
I
encourage
us
to
keep
child
care
workers
and
nursing
homes,
but
if
we,
you
know
I'll
note
that
you
know
this
will
have
two
readings
at
Council,
so,
even
if
it
passes
tonight
here
it's
going
to
be
another
month
or
so
before.
There's
any
final
action
taken
on
this,
so
I
I
would
continue
to
encourage
us
to
move
this
forward,
particularly
given
the
significance
of
today
being
May.
G
Day
move
this
forward
today
and
have
an
opportunity
to
even
you
know,
folks
want
to
make
amendments
today,
certainly
within
their
right
to
make
an
amendment,
but
we
certainly
will
have
two
reading
at
least
two
readings
at
Council
to
to
make
further
amendments
to
this
ordinance.
V
J
AB
J
G
J
You
I
wonder
if
I
could
make
just
a
couple
of
other
points,
while
I'm
up
here
number
one
I,
I
sort
of
I
want
to
just
emphasize.
The
point
was
made
that
this
these
these
ordinances
I
think
are
really
targeted
to
the
workflow
of
a
retail
industry
and
I.
Think
that
there's
a
real
mismatch
in
help
in
in
terms
of
the
health
care
business
model.
J
We
do
not
cancel
people's
shifts
and
in
the
few
instances
in
my
career,
which
has
not
been
a
short
one
at
this
point
where
we've
ever
had
to
cancel
shifts
we
protect
because
of
low
census
or
just
the
changing
occupancy.
We
have
said
well,
we
ask
people
if
they
want
to
take
PTO.
They
we
ask
them
if
they
want
to
take
a
day
off.
If
they
say
no,
then
there's
always
if
there's
a
couple
of
there's
an
extra
person
on
a
day,
there's
always
something
that
could
be
found
for
them
to
do
so.
J
We
don't
in
general,
we
do
not
cancel
shifts,
so
we
don't
have
our
our
challenge.
Right
now
is
finding
enough
people
to
fill
shifts
to
to
director
ogbo.
Just
one
thing:
all
of
the
three
providers
here
today
do
have
post-acute
skilled
units
also,
and
we
work
very
closely
with
your
health
department.
Weekly
phone
calls,
sometimes
daily
phone
calls
based
on
changing
circumstances.
J
Another
thing,
I
would
say,
is
in
terms
of
filling
positions.
All
of
our
positions
are
posted
internally
before
we
advertise
them
and
in
terms
of,
for
example,
CNA
certified
nursing
assistants.
We
don't
at
any
point
in
time
in
the
last
year,
not
have
certified
nursing
assistant
positions
posted,
so
any
of
our
employees
who
do
want
a
position
are
able
or
more
hours
are
able
to
easily
easily
apply
for
that.
In
addition
to
that,
we
also
have
a
category
of
employees
called
occasional
employees.
J
We
call
them
registry
staff,
they
commit
to
us
for
four
shifts
a
month,
and
then
they
be
agree
to
be
available
based
on
their
schedule
and
based
on
their
ability
to
fill
it
for
us
to
call
them
and
ask
them
if
they
need
to,
if
they're
available,
to
fill
an
empty
shift
so
that
you
know
that's
a
total
category
of
employees.
That
I,
don't
think,
is
really
addressed
in
the
ordinance
and
finally
I
just
want
to
just
in
terms
of
the
workflow
issue.
J
I
really
want
to
just
make
a
point
about
the
rest
period,
that's
in
there.
So,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
full-time
day
shift
employee
and
somebody
calls
in
on
the
night
shift.
The
first
person
that
our
staffing
coordinator
is
going
to
call
is,
is
any
number
any.
Anybody
on
the
day
shift
who's
interested
in
staying
and
working
a
second
shift.
So
let's
say
a
person
accepts
that
our
our
health
care
workers
are
on
an
8
and
80
overtime
schedule.
J
So
if
that
person
Works
a
second
shift
that
day
they're
already
getting
time
and
a
half
for
that
position
and
that's
not
true
necessarily
of
an
employer,
that's
on
a
40-hour
work
week,
but
for
us
that
person's
already
getting
time
and
a
half
now
that
person
will
get
done
at
11
at
night.
But
if
they're
a
full-time
daytime,
employee
they're
going
to
have
to
be
back
at
seven
o'clock
the
next
morning,
that's
less
than
than
eight
hours.
That
means
we'd
have
to
pay
them
another.
J
J
A
X
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
I,
would
love
to
allow
time
for
Mr,
Vic
and
members
of
the
child
care
kind
of
industry,
time
to
review
the
ordinance
and,
and
so
I'm
not
prepared
to
with
very
little
testimony
from
or
really
nearly
any
testimony
from
from
that
industry
to
to
vote
on,
excluding
them
I'm,
not
big,
on
making
decisions
just
because
some
other
municipality
made
them
and
I,
don't
know
why
they
did
I,
don't
think!
X
That's
the
I,
don't
think
that's
the
best
way
to
make
decisions
for
a
city,
so
I
will
be
voting
no,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
why
I
would
prefer
to
see
this
held
here
than
to
to
vote
with
very
little
testimony
from
the
very
industry
that
that
we're
looking
to
exclude.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
G
I
I
will
be
I
I
I
I
appreciate
the
motion
to
remove
the
the
Child
Care
Group
I.
Think
I
too
will
be
voting
no,
but.
A
All
right
and
I
I
think
personally,
one
of
the
things
for
me,
like
I,
said
the
child
care
and
Healthcare
in
general
I
think
are
still
very
impacted
by
the
covet
pandemic,
and
this
is
also
something
we
could
potentially
write
a
companion
ordinance
to
Loop
them
back
in
with
a
little
bit
more
I
think
focus
on
like
their
industry,
because
I
think
there
there
is,
you
know
I
think
at
the
core
of
it.
A
I
think
all
of
us
here
might
agree
that
the
retail
portion
of
this
is
super
super
important
and
we
want
to
move
that
along.
So
you
know,
I
will
just
like
point
out
that
we
can
fold
bring
them
back
into
the
fold
after
having
discussion
so
just
throwing
that
out
there
and
at
that
I
think,
do
we
have
any
more
discussion
about
the
amendment
to
remove
all
right.
Can
we
take
a
real
call
vote,
I'm.
A
F
F
I,
don't
quite
know
what
term
to
use
and
so
I
think
we
we,
as
this
committee,
should
come
to
grips
with
what
we,
what
we
want
to
recommend
that
Council
consider
so
I
think
we're
not
ready
to
vote
I,
don't
feel
that
we're
ready
to
send
the
ordinance
to
council
without
making
a
decision
about
the
long-term
care
industry
and
I
if
we
could
hold
it
for
a
month,
I,
don't
I
mean
I'd,
look
to
Mr
Vic
for
how
long
to
give
the
our
child
care
Community
a
chance
to
look
at
the
ordinance
and
give
us
their
comments.
F
So
then,
when
it
comes
back
to
us,
let's
say
in
a
month
or
more,
we
would
we
would
have
the
benefit
of
the
input
from
the
Child
Care
community
and
be
able
to
digest
all
the
information
we've
heard
this
evening.
So
I
I
moved
to
withdraw
my
motion
to
amend
the
ordinance
and
I
move
that
we
table
the
this
ordinance
to.
There
was
a
month
enough
to
our
to
our
June
meeting.
A
We
also
have
mayor
biss
well.
G
O
Thank
you
chairs,
and
members
of
the
committee.
Obviously
I
don't
serve
on
this
committee.
I,
certainly
don't
insert
myself
inappropriately
I
respect
whatever
decision
you
all
come
to
if
you're
comfortable,
but
I'd
appreciate
a
chance
to
just
mix
respectfully
share
some
thoughts.
O
O
First
of
all
thank
a
lot
of
stakeholders
in
the
community,
many
represented
in
the
room
tonight
and
many
not
who
shared
a
ton
of
really
helpful
constructive
input
during
the
course
of
the
last
two
months,
as
we've
tried
to
work
through
some
of
the
tougher
issues
and
and
strike
an
appropriate
balance,
I
think
that's
really.
What
needs
to
be
sought
here
is
a
balance
between
the
different,
legitimate
and
important
considerations.
O
What's
emerged
in
the
last
half
hour
is
that
the
committee
understandably
doesn't
feel
ready
to
definitively
weigh
in
on
that.
As
regards
all
the
industries
and
I
I
understand
why
that
is
I
get
that
those
are
tough
questions,
but
I
do
want
to
Echo
the
point
that
councilmember
the
chair
heracaris
made,
which
is
that
the
underlying
issue
is
an
important
one,
that
the
retail
subject
matter
is
really
kind
of
core
to
what
this
is
about.
O
I
think,
quite
frankly,
there
are
stakeholders
in
the
community
who've
been
nervous
for
a
couple
months,
wanted
to
see
what
direction
folks
were
going
to
head
and
I
I.
Don't
know
that
an
additional
lengthy
period
of
delay
improves
the
situation
so
with
you
know,
obviously,
respect
for
whatever
you
all
decide
to
do.
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
taking
out
the
subjects
that
there's
still
no
resolution
on
taking
out
the
nursing
homes
taking
out
the
child
care
allowing
for
further
discussion
and
voting
what's
left
out
to
council.
O
If
it
doesn't
then
pass
what
you're
comfortable
with
at
the
council
level
and
then
come
back
later
and
have
further
discussions,
but
my
own
view
is
that
drawing
out
the
part
that
there
is
agreement
on
doesn't
really
help
either
the
underlying
cause
of
helping
workers
or
kind
of
build
the
kind
of
Harmony
in
the
community
around
the
areas
where
I
do
think.
We've
made
real
progress
toward
that
balance
point,
and
so
that
would
be
my
my
request
of
the
committee.
O
G
I
would
ask
councilmember
Ravel,
maybe
if
she'll
withdraw
her
motion
that
you
just
made
now
and
reinstate
the
initial
motion.
Otherwise,
I
will
make
the
motion
to
remove
the
nursing
homes
and
the
child
care,
because,
as
mayor
biss
always
very
eloquently
said
says,
it
is
important
to
move
forward
with
this
with
the
things
that
there's
complete
agreement
on
and
councilman
chair
Heritage
mentioned
that
you
know
we
can
revisit
this.
G
F
New
motion
to
forward
this
ordinance
to
city
council
after
removing
the
portion
that
addresses
the
long-term
care
industry
and
the
Child
Care
community.
A
G
A
X
Sure
that
the
question
of
wrong
on
whether
or
not
to
include
the
Long
Long
Term
Care
Community,
as
well
as
the
Child
Care
Community,
does
in
fact
come
back
to
a
future
Human
Services
committee
meeting
I,
don't
believe
simply
by
amending
removing
it
from
the
the
ordinance
that
we
just
passed
requires
it
to
come
back.
So
I
would
like
to
make
that
motion.
G
X
A
X
I
was
just
gonna
to
clarify
again
what
mayor,
Biz
said
and
I
think
the
the
I
guess
the
thought
behind
what
what
we
could
do
is
to
explore
this
in
the
future,
but
again
just
by
mending
something
that
doesn't
require.
X
What
is
then
excluded
to
come
back,
and
so
that
was
my
question,
which
is
why
I
said
I
have
a
question,
but
if
discussion
is
over
I'll
just
vote
on
it
vote
no,
but
but
now
that
that's
done,
I'd
like
to
that's
what
this
motion
is
about
is
is
going
through
the
proper
kind
of
legislative
procedure
to
make
sure
it
does
in
fact
come
back
for
more
discussion
and
consideration.
That's
all
shared!
Thank
you.
A
Sure,
as
you
bring
this
up,
I
like
personally
I'm
thinking,
obviously
a
month
from
now,
is
not
at
least
for
me,
I'm
thinking
we.
This
should
be
Revisited,
sorry
to
add,
like
six
months
or
eight
like
because
I
I
don't
think
that
the
Staffing
and
recovery
from
like
the
pandemic
issues
in
the
hiring
and
sapping
will
change
that
much
in
a
month.
What?
What
was
the
time
frame
that
you
were
thinking.
X
Well
again,
again
mayor
this
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
but
I
what
mayor
Bish
described,
it
seemed
like
there
would
be
some
time
to
continue
to
discuss
this
as
the
the
item
that
we
just
passed
would
be
discussed,
and
so,
if
there
was
any
agreement
we
could
we
could
amend
before
that
passed
if
there
was
any
agreement
on
what
to
what
to
move
forward
with
it.
X
What
you
just
described
is
very
different
than
what
I
understood
everyone,
or
at
least
mayor
this
presented
I'm,
sure,
you're,
saying
the
wrong
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
waiting
eight
months,
the
the
other
item
will
be
passed
prior
to
eight
months,
so
I,
in
line
with
what
I
think
I
heard
mayor
describe.
I
would
like
to
see
this
move
along
at
a
similar
Pace
to
what
the
other
item
you
know
to
keep
up
with
the
other
item.
X
So
if
again,
we
choose
to
make
any
changes
and
amendments
that
there's
an
opportunity
to.
Obviously
it
doesn't
require
us
to.
You
know,
make
any
amendments.
We
may
decide
that
that
the
choice
to
exclude
them
exclude
those
facilities
from
the
ordinance
was
the
right
one,
but
at
least
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
incorporate
anything
that
we
learn.
G
I'm
happy
to
just
point
everyone
as
a
point
of
information.
Certainly
you
know
councilmember
Burns.
G
You
know
with
what
we
just
voted
forward.
That
is
its
own
thing.
We
all
have
the
opportunity
to
make
any
amendments
during
the
next.
You
know
two
readings
or
potentially
more
if
it's
held,
but
I
I
agree
with
the
the
approach
that
councilman
just
mentioned,
which
is
allowing
this
ordinance
to
move
forward
as
as
we
just
voted
it
out
of
committee
and
then
taking
the
the
necessary
time,
which
could
be
eight
months
a
year.
G
However,
long
to
really
dig
deep
into
the
concerns
of
the
child
care
and
nursing
industry,
and
and
also
to
allow
time
for
us
to
get
further
out
of
kovid
so
less
and
less
that
becomes
a
valid
Point
in
there
in
their
favor.
So
I
will,
with
that
in
mind,
I
support
the
the
the
idea
that
you're
saying
but
I
will
withdraw.
My
second
to
your
motion.
C
A
Are
at
so
we've
had
council
member
Burns
motion
to
make
an
amendment
to
bring
this
this
specific
issue
back
and
we're
waiting
a
second.
X
G
So
I,
second,
your
motion
didn't
bring
this
back
in
eight
months,
particularly
the
the
portion
regarding
child
care
and
long-term
care
facilities
right.
K
A
N
The
commits
of
bringing
this
to
the
Early
Childhood
council,
with
whatever
designated
time
you
say,
and
we
could
review
it
and
give
feedback
as
to
your
discretion
of
that
time
period.
It
wouldn't
take
us
eight
months
to
do
that,
but
if
you
needed
whatever
time
you
need,
we
can
commit
to
looking
at
this
ordinance
and
getting
enough
people
from
the
early
childhood
Community
to
give
you
a
valid
response
and
our
thoughts
and
opinions
to
help
your
deliberation.
So
I
commit
to
do
that
with
the
council
at
your
discretion.
X
A
I
I
think
I
can
I'll
share.
My
thoughts
like
I
think
that
the
discussion
would
not
take
eight
months
but
I
think
the
state
of
like
the
workforce
and
the
world
in
general
might
be
a
lot
different
in
eight
months.
It's
not
gonna
be
that
much
different
in
a
month.
I
don't
know
the
right
answer.
Exactly
I
mean
I
could
do
I.
Think
I'm
committed
to
hearing
this
again
for
those
specific
Industries,
whether
it's
eight
months
or
six
months,
I
mean
we
can
do
six
months.
That
sounds
like
that
way.
A
A
So
this
is
the
motion
to
revisit
the
child
care
and
nursing
care
Industries
in
six
months.
So.
A
Aye
and
that
motion
passes,
so
we
will
be
back
at
it
in
six
months.
So,
let's
move
on
to
our
next
item
can
have
a
motion
for
hs1.
Please.
G
E
AC
Hello
good
evening,
members
of
the
council,
do
we
have
the
presentation
up.
C
C
AC
AC
As
our
number
of
requests
decrease.
We
would
also
see
the
number
of
days
cases
open,
also
decrease,
however,
we're
seeing
a
complete
opposite
of
the
crisscross.
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
decided
to
move
the
program
in-house
and
we
hired
two
additional
staff
who
are
out
in
the
field
five
days
a
week.
They
are
there
communicating
and
educating
residents,
as
well
as
in
providing
inspection,
services
and
and
baiting
properties.
AC
And
since
they've
been
employed
by
the
city,
which
was
towards
that
later,
half
of
2022
we've
seen
it
already
an
improvement
in
communication
and
the
effectiveness
of
our
program,
and
this
is
from
October
2022
to
March
of
this
year,
and
you
can
see
that's
pretty
much
what
we
want
it
to
look
like.
We
have
the
less
requests.
We
have
the
less
days
they're
spent
open,
because
we
have
more
time
to
focus
on
each
individual
request.
AC
And
so
some
of
our
program
strategies,
even
though
it's
first
on
the
list,
this
isn't
our
first
option.
We
do
have
different
ways:
we're
tackling
rodenticides.
We
swap
up
the
the
bait
variety,
so
we'll
use
there's
different
formulations,
whether
it's
a
hard
block,
whether
it's
a
paste.
It's
rats
are
very
intelligent
mammals
and
they
have
a
pallet
as
well.
So
we
kind
of
gotta
change
it
up
a
little
bit
and
then
we're
also
toying
with
the
idea
of
using
CO2
for
rat
Burrows,
and
this
is
a
more
environmentally
friendly
Humane
approach.
AC
AC
But
our
main
priority
is
education.
You
can
have
the
best
bait
boxes.
You
can
have
the
best
rodenticide,
but
if
properties
aren't
being
maintained,
well,
rats
will
still
flourish.
AC
So
our
inspectors
in
the
field
are
heavily
relying
on
communicating
with
residents.
So
we
make
appointments
with
residents
to
meet
them
in
the
field
to
discuss
the
specifics
about
their
property
because
a
lot
of
times
residents
are
inadvertently
bringing
rats
into
their
property.
It
could
be
a
compost
bin,
that's
improperly
maintained,
it
can
be
pieces
of
lumber
or
a
garage
door
that
doesn't
close
all
the
way.
AC
All
these
things
can
lead
to
a
bigger
infestation
of
rats
and
then
another
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
this
year
is
called
our
rat
walks,
where
we
look
at
the
the
heat
maps
that
we
have
of
the
city
where
we're
getting
the
most
requests
and
we
send
our
inspectors
to
that
area
to
essentially
go
door
to
door
to
the
neighbors
and
educate
about
the
specific
contributing
factors
that
are
on
their
properties
and
we've
in
the
past
have
coordinated
this
with
Alderman
and
council
member
of
that
area.
AC
AC
So
we're
looking
to
start
that
again
and
then
another
thing
we're
looking
to
start
again.
Is
we
call
it
the
the
rat
Academy-
and
this
is
just
another
opportunity
for
residents
to
ask
their
questions,
to
get
clarification
and
to
also
give
us
questions,
give
us
suggestions
and
also
point
us
in
certain
areas
of
their
neighborhood,
that
we
should
focus
on,
and
lastly,
is
enforcement.
AC
Since
we're
in
public
health
we're
not
in
the
business
of
making
money,
we
don't
want
to
find
residents,
we
don't
want
to
issue
tickets.
That's
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do.
We
our
goal
is
to
educate
to
gain
and
an
understanding
of
what
the
requirements
are.
So
then
there
is
compliance,
but
sometimes
you
know
education
doesn't
work
and
we
have
to
rely
on
our
codes
that
we
have
and
there's
about
18
different
code
violation,
ordinance
violations
that
pertain
specifically
to
Rats
on
the
property.
AC
So
if
it
comes
to
that,
we
do
have
that
enforcement
piece
in
in
our
back
pocket
essentially,
and
education
is
important,
mainly
because
so
this
picture
is
just
a
standard
city
block
and
in
its
upper
left
corner
you
have,
you
can
see
a
little
red
dot
and
that's
that
represents
just
a
one
rat
Borough
and
the
typical
range
of
a
Norway
Norway
rats
is
about
120
100
to
200
feet
so
that
one
burrow
affects
all
the
surrounding
areas.
That's
about
20
different
houses,
so
it
really
does
take
a
community
effort.
AC
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
always
encourage
residents
to
call
3-1-1
and
it's
not
just
calling
3-1-1
about
you
know.
I
saw
a
rat
Scurry
down
an
alley.
It's
calling
3-1-1
to
to.
Let
us
know
that
you
know
you've
seen
overflowing
garbage,
whether
it's
at
a
restaurant
or
a
residence
multi-unit
building
whatever
it
is.
Let
us
know
about
that
and
we'll
work
with
the
property
owners
and
don't
think
whenever
I'm
on
a
award
meeting
call
or
talking
with
residents,
don't
try
and
think
of
it.
AC
As
you
know,
you're
you're
telling
on
your
neighbors,
because
essentially
it's
you're
doing
everyone.
A
service
by
not
having
the
contributing
factors
in
the
neighborhood
and
also
if
any
residents
have
questions
we
can
always
be
reached
at
our
email
address
with
it,
which
is
health
cityofevenston.org.
AC
AC
AC
It's
a
little
bit
lighter
of
requests,
and
then
this
one
is
this
year
January
to
present
and
again
it
sort
of
follows
that
same
sort
of
pattern,
but
a
lot
of
our
requests
are
in
the
business
district
and
then
also
in
southern
in
the
south
portion
of
Evanston.
So
the
only
thing
I
would
recommend.
Is
you
know
at
your
award
meetings
when
you're
talking
with
residents
to
encourage
them
to
contact
3-1-1
and
let
us
know,
and
that
we're
here
to
help
and
work
with
you
guys.
E
Thank
you
so,
first
of
all,
I'm
going
to
be
in
trouble
with
my
mother,
because
my
face
was
frowned
up
the
whole
time
of
this
conversation.
But
thank
you
for
this
information.
AC
AC
A
I'll
just
weigh
in
on
the
feral
cats.
In
my
neighborhood
we
have
a
handful
of
people
who
have
constantly
let
out
and
I
have
not
seen
knock
on
wood,
a
rat
around
my
house,
but
cats
as
much
as
I
love
them
are
little
murderers,
like
they
wreak
havoc
on
hot
Wildlife.
I
saw
council
member
Revell
when
the
suggestion
kind
of
so
I
I
think
for
a
bird
as
a
bird
City.
That
might
be
a
bad
idea.
Yes,.
A
G
Member
Reed,
that
was
going
to
be
my
very
point
there
is
that
feral
cats
are
are
lethal
to
many
Critters
in
our
community.
I
I
appreciate
the
work
on
this
Greg
I.
Think
I've
I've
certainly
had
folks
from
I.
Had
director
ogbo
come
to
award
meeting
twice
to
talk
about
rats
over
the
last
two
years
about
once
a
year.
G
At
least
we
need
to
have
folks
come
out
because
it
is
a
huge
issue
and
South
Evanston
is
certainly
shaded
on
that
map,
quite
a
bit,
much
more
so
than
than
North
Evanston.
G
So
this
is
a
huge
issue
for
me,
and
my
residents
I
personally
think
that
one
of
the
greatest
things
we
can
do
to
curtail
the
rat
issues
to
cut
off
their
supply
to
food
and
the
way
we
do.
That
is
not
just
by
poisoning
them,
and
you
know
all
of
those
other
things.
G
I
would
really
like
us
to
explore
changing
the
way
that
we
collect
trash,
because
that's
what
they're
eating
they're
getting
into
our
trash
bins,
they're,
climbing
up
fences,
they're,
climbing
up
bins
and
I
would
suspect
that,
aside
from
you
know,
dog
waste
that's
left
outside
is
is
certainly
a
main
source
of
of
sustenance
for
our
rat
population
and
their
many
models
was
it
I
think
it
was
Greg
or
or
maybe
someone
else
that
I
spoke
to
regarding
looking
at
you
know
alternative
models
such
as
you
know,
even
in
rural
parts
of
Wisconsin,
you
know,
folks,
you
don't
have
a
trash
bin
behind
everyone's
house
in
in
Norway
and
other
you
know,
Nordic
countries,
that's
also
the
model
where,
instead
of
having
a
bin
behind
everyone's
house,
which
I
think
is
you
know,
if
we
really
think
about
it,
we
bring
all
of
this
trash
into
our
house.
G
Why
do
we
then
expect
a
city
worker
to
come
and
personally
collect
all
of
the
trash
that
we
willingly
brought
into
our
house
in
other
countries?
You
know
there
are
Central
realized
at
dumping,
locator
centralized
trash
collection
locations.
You
know
in
every
neighborhood.
You
know
very
easy
to
access
these
things
are
built
in
and
they're
underground.
So
you
know
I
think
you
know
it
keeps
the
rats
and
rodents
and
other
Vector
away
from
the
trash,
and
you
know
I'd
love
to
look
into.
G
You
know
how
that's
you
know
what
the
impact
that's
had
on
the
rap
population.
I
haven't
studied
that
exactly,
but
I
would
imagine
that
that
has
a
huge
impact
on
their
population
in
New
York.
In
fact,
you
know
under
mayor
Adams.
Is
you
know
with
their
new
raps?
Are
they
are
looking
at
changing
the
way
they
collect
trash
I
mean
their
model,
is
a
lot
worse
than
ours,
just
throwing
it
on
the
sidewalks
in
front
of
you
know,
buildings
which
certainly
gives
the
rats
access
but
I
think
they're.
G
Looking
more
toward
that,
you
know
model
that
is
exists
within
rural
parts
of
our
country
within
many
other
Urban
countries,
First
World
countries-
and
you
know
we
can
rethink
the
way
we
collect
trash,
make
it
more
efficient
for
city
government.
You
know,
there's
potentially
even
health
benefits
to
having
people.
G
You
know
not
just
go
to
their
backyard
and
throw
it
away
to
walk
a
block
to
throw
away
their
trash
and,
and
so
I
think
that
would
have
maybe
the
largest
impact
on
our
rat
population
if
we
could
figure
out
how
to
keep
them
away
from
trash.
So
thank
you.
A
Great
see
any
more
comments,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
the
report,
we'll
probably
be
asking
you
to
have
a
a
rat
walk
in
the
ninth
ward,
soon
great
moving
along.
We
have
can
someone
please?
Oh.
A
Yeah,
can
we
have
a
roll
call
vote
to
place
the
report
on
file.
A
Aye
with
that
passes
and
is
placed
on
file,
can
we
have
a
motion
to
move
hs2
I.
G
G
Was
a
part
of
a
package
of
ordinances
that
I
put
forward
a
while
ago
dealing
with
dealing
with
our
criminal
code
with
potential
concerns
around
over
enforced
I
shouldn't,
say
over
enforcement
with
potential
misenforcement
and
not
on
the
part
of
our
officers,
but
on
the
part
of
the
council
for
putting.
V
This
on
them
to
enforce
some
of
these
provisions.
G
And
making
sure
that
our
city
code
aligns
with
the
world
as
it
is
today
and
with
our
values
as
they
are
today,
and
you
know
I
I
look
at
our
Police
Department
having
to
enforce
gambling.
You
know
in
the
way
that
the
ordinance
is
currently
drafted,
especially
as
a
is
potentially
putting
our
city
at
liability,
legal
liability
and
missing
an
opportunity
for
potential
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
over
policing
certain
communities.
G
Folks
in
public
comment
have
raised
that
you
know
on
the
flip
side
of
that
which
you
know
my
concern
was
the
criminal
justice
aspect.
On
the
flip
side,
there
is
an
opportunity
for
Revenue
to
be
generated
within
the
city
and
I
believe
chair.
You
received
a
letter
as
well
as
I
from
an
organization
that
is
in
support
of
the
proper
regulation
of
of
gambling,
and
they
noted
again
that
this
is
and
as
well
as
Mr
as
well
as
Mr,
Beatty
and
other
public
comment.
G
This
is
a
potentially
a
good
source
of
revenue
for
the
city.
You
know
our
dollars
are
potentially
leaving
Evanston
or
certainly
leaving
Evanston,
because
we
don't
have
this
and
we
could
keep
more
of
that
money.
Local.
This
could
benefit
fit
our
small
businesses
who
choose
to
install
these.
G
You
know
potential
gaming
machines
within
their
establishment
and
be
a
source
of
Revenue
both
for
the
city
again
through
sale,
sales
tax
and
the
gambling
tax,
as
well
as
a
source
of
revenue
for
those
businesses-
and
you
know,
we've
had
a
lot
of
folks
Express
concern
about
supporting
our
small
businesses,
particularly
as
we
come
out
of
covid
last
thing.
I
want
to
say
on.
This
is
again
like
other
things:
I've
put
forward,
gambling
is
legal
here
in
Illinois,
you're
allowed
to
gamble
under
state
law,
certainly
is
regulated
under
state
law
and
I.
G
Think
we
need
to
more
closely
mirror
state
law
on
this
issue.
You
know
our
code
was
as
it
stands
today.
I
I
argue
whether
you
are
supportive
of
gambling
or
you
think
it's
the
greatest
moral
Injustice
someone
could
you
know
commit
our
code
as
it's
written
today
is
is
not
helpful.
G
You
know
our
code
was
written
in
the
1950s
and
did
not
imagine
a
world
where
cell
phones
existed
and
as
it
as
the
code
is
written
today.
If
I
were
to
download
and
I
have
not
and
I
don't
have
it
so
don't
come
after
me,
but
if
I
were
to
download
DraftKings
or
any
of
those
other,
you
know
gambling
apps
that
are
allowed
by
state
law
onto
my
phone
as
it
is
written,
are
at
Evanston.
G
Police
Department
would
be
able
to
confiscate
my
phone
and
place
me
under
arrest
simply
for
having
DraftKings
or
one
of
the
other.
You
know
now
legal
gambling
apps
on
my
phone
I'm,
seeing
some
a
few
you
know
faces
out
there
that
are
indicating
confusion.
I
will
yield
my
time
and
in
that
meantime,
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
pull
up
the
section
of
code
that
specifically
addresses
this.
So
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
G
A
You
all
right,
thank
you,
councilman
Reed,
personally,
I'll
weigh
in
I
think
you
know,
I've
spoken
with
a
number
of
residents
who
are
in
favor
of
kind
of
you
know
loosening
our
code
around
gambling,
specifically
for
small
businesses
and
I.
You
know
this
is
like
a
first
step,
so
I'm
in
support
I
was
about
to
council
member
riddle.
F
So,
towards
the
end
of
the
pretty
brief
memo
on
this
it's,
it
says
that
epd
does
not
recommend
modifying
the
code
to
make
a
distinction
between
gambling
on
private
and
public
property.
I'm
I'm
just
interested
in
more
information
about
what
the
issue
is
there
and
and
basically
how?
How
often
are
we
actually
enforcing
the
gambling
ordinance.
AD
Chairman
members
of
the
committee,
so
how
often
are
we
in
enforcing
the
gambling
ordinance?
We
have
not
had
a
gambling
rust
in
the
last
approximately
10
years,
I
think
we
checked
back
that
far
enforcement.
The
gambling
ordinance
historically
something
that
a
couple
Generations
ago,
but
not
a
recent
problem.
AD
It's
my
understanding
with
the
language
that
you
pointed
out
at
the
end
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
kind
of
summarize
I
think
the
goal
that
language,
if
I'm
a
little
off
or
proven
to
be
a
little
off
misinterpreted
later
I
apologize
but
I,
think
it's
the
position
of
the
PD
that
any
language
that
would
result
in
privatized
gambling
that
was
outside
of
Regulation
or
oversight
would
be
something
the
department
would
be
concerned
about.
AD
So
I
think
that
that's
what
that
language
is
trying-
or
that
paragraph
is
trying
to
point
out
is
you
know,
I-
think
we're
standing
relatively
silent
on
a
lot
of
what's
here,
taking
the
lead
from
the
legal
department
and
other
Regulatory
Agencies.
However,
language
changes
that
are
going
to
let
gambling
potentially
evolve
and
grow
without
regulation
or
the
appropriate
amount
of
oversight,
is
what
what
the
concern
for
the
Department
is,
because
that
could
lead
to
quality
of
life
issues
in
certain
areas,
other
crimes
or
so
on
and
so
forth.
F
Well
and
I
guess:
I,
don't
know
this
is
necessarily
a
question
for
you,
so
I
I
did
look
at
the
ordinance.
It's
quite
lengthy.
It
is,
and
there
was
one
specific
section:
I
guess
that
addressed
video
gaming.
So
if
the,
if
the
goal
here
is
to
pave
the
way
for
video
gaming,
couldn't
we
merely
you're
merely
focus
on
that
piece
of
the
of
the
ordinance
I?
Guess
I'm
I'm
reluctant
to
have
to
ask
staff
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
rework
what
is
a
pretty
lengthy,
detailed
ordinance.
G
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
that
I
mean
with
gambling
as
it's
written
gambling
being
illegal
in
the
city
you
couldn't
allow.
You
know
these
devices
and
say
you
know
so.
I
I
think.
G
Commander
gluz
perspective
there
I'm
fully
on
board
with
it.
I
think
that
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that
gambling
establishments
are
regulated
I,
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
you,
know
willy-nilly,
allow
Willie
or
nilly
to
create
a
gambling
establishment
in
their
home,
and
so
there
needs
to
be
strict
regulation
about
where
this
can
and
cannot
take
place.
But
also,
generally,
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
allow
folks
to
go
to
a
restaurant
and
gamble
I
think
the
way
this
is
written
again.
G
9583
gambling
devices
bringing
a
gambling
device
into
the
city,
any
person
who
brings
into
the
city
or
has
in
his
or
her
possession
in
the
city
for
the
purposes
of
gambling
any
table
thing
or
device
of
any
kind
or
nature
where
on
or
with
which
money
or
any
other
thing
of
value
May
in
any
manner
be
played
for
she'll,
be
fine,
not
less
than
200
and
not
more
than
500
for
each
offense
again,
the
way
this
is
written
would
would
leave
open.
G
G
You
know
around
Thanksgiving
for
for
particularly
maybe
the
black
community.
It's
quite
often
that
there's
like
the
games
of
Po
or
of
of
Spades
and
and
whatnot
that
happen
at
Thanksgiving
or
Christmas,
and
sometimes
maybe
quarters
or
or
better
maybe
nothing's
bad,
but
it
it
quite
often
happens.
You
know
as
a
as
a
cultural
Pastime,
particularly
in
in
certain
communities,
and
you
know,
I
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
have
in
our
code
something
that
criminalizes
something
potentially
as
innocent.
G
That
is
that
I
think
what
we
need
to
make
sure
is
that
we're
giving
our
Police
Department
all
the
tools
they
need
to,
if
it
disturbance
of
the
peace,
occurs,
to
enforce
that,
but
allow
adults
to
to
be
adults
and
and
step
back
from.
You
know
this
moral
policing
that
that
we've
often
Fallen
victim
to
I.
AD
Just
want
to
make
something
clear:
I,
don't
see
and
I,
don't
think
necessarily
I
think
you're
bringing
up
where
the
spirit
how
the
Wilderness
to
be
applied
now
is
not
step
with
a
letter
that
was
written
in
the
past,
but
I
don't
see
a
scenario
where
the
police
department
would
seek
to
enforce
video
gaming
on
personal
communication
devices.
AD
Also
going
with
the
talking
about
the
purpose
of
an
ordinance
sometimes
is
as
elimination
of
a
behavior
versus
acceptable
compliance.
So
when
you
talk
about,
sometimes
people
engaging
in
low-level
gambling
amongst
friends
versus
The,
Evolution
of
some
private
gambling
house
or
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
there's
the
elimination
and
then
there's
acceptable
compliance.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that,
and
just
to
close
here,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
our
code
gives
the
police
department
all
the
tools
that
you
need
to
to
do
exactly
what
you
just
said
without
going
further,
because
you
know,
while
I
wouldn't
expect
that
you
know
if
I
did
have
DraftKings,
that
you
would
arrest
me
or
or
give
me
any
ticket,
we
have
found
that
sometimes
with
you
know,
what's
very
concerning
is
when
we
have
a
piece
of
code
that
has
not
been
enforced
for
over
10
years.
G
We
we
know
that
to
be
true
with
a
number
of
other
places
in
the
coach
such
as
our
such
as
the
ordinance
that
we
eliminated,
which
was
the
obedient
or
we
either
eliminated,
or
made
some
really
stiff
changes
to
it,
obedience
to
police
in
a
public
place.
We
saw
that
was
a
piece
of
code
that
was
not
enforced
very
often,
but
when
it
was
in
The
Limited
instances
where
it
was
Lawrence,
Crosby
was
arrested
for
it
and
that
led
to
a
1.3
million
dollar
lawsuit
here
in
the
city.
G
I
was
arrested
when
I
was
petitioning
for
this
piece
of
code
and
and,
and
that
was
an
unlawful
arrest
that
could
have
led
to
a
potential
suit
and
costing
taxpayers
money.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
when
we
have
sections
of
code
that
are
not
being
enforced,
that
we
take
a
a
strong
look
at
it
to
make
sure
is
it
not
being
enforced
because
you
know
officers
deem
it
outside
of
their
core
duties
and
and
and
I'll
leave
us
with
this.
G
All
too
often
I
hear
a
say
that
we
are
asking
our
Police
Department
to
do
too
much.
We
are
asking
them
to
do
things
that
are
out
of
the
you
know
the
scope
of
what
we
really
want
them
to
focus
on.
Well,
what
are
those
things?
What
are
those
things
that
we
think
are
we're
forcing
on
to
them
and
I?
Think
this
ordinance
as
it
is
written
is
one
of
those
and
so
again
whether
you
agree
with
gambling
or
not
I,
actually
am
someone
who
is
staunchly
opposed
to
gambling.
G
G
It's
forcing
work
onto
a
police
department
that
shouldn't
even
be
something
that
they
would
even
have
to
think
about
enforcing,
and
we
can
write
this
ordinance
in
a
much
more
tailored
way
that
allows
for
the
regulation
of
gaming
establishments
prohibits
again
you
know,
Willie
or
nilly
or
whoever
from
create
turning
their
home
into
a
gambling
establishment
and
ensures
that
you
know
a
normal
behavior
can
can
occur.
Thank
you.
A
Foreign
okay,
seeing
no
further
comments,
I
think
we
can
take
a
vote
on
this
nope.
G
So
oh
this
is,
there
was
not
an
ordinance
before
us,
it
is
listed
for
action,
but
there
is
no
ordinance
in
the
packet
as
I
see.
So
what
I
would
do
is
I
will
move
I'm,
sorry,
Miss,
lepsinger.
C
Y
G
So
I
will
move
that,
given
the
the
feedback
that
we
both
received
from
public
comment
and
what
I
think
I'm
hearing
from
my
colleagues
is
that
we
are
interested
in
reviewing
this
ordinance,
particularly
to
allow
for
the
regulation
of
gaming
establishments
and
we'd
like
to
see
that
brought
back
I.
G
Don't
know
if
that
requires
a
zoning
Amendment
as
well,
but
I
think
you
know
we
can
look
into
all
of
the
requirements
that
that
would
need
to
change
here,
but
I
think
the
first
step,
along
with
that
is
you
know,
adjusting
what
we
see
as
criminal
and
what
we
we
don't
see
as
criminal
I
think
you
know.
Certainly
again,
someone
running
in
an
illegal
gambling
establishment
is
something
that
we
still
want
to
prohibit
and
regulate.
But
you
know
low
level
familial
or
you
know
non-disruptive
activity
such
as
going
into
an
establishment.
G
You
know
Thanksgiving
or
Christmas
or
whatever
you
know
game.
Those
things
should
not
be
regulated,
so
I
think
that's.
G
G
G
A
C
A
B
A
Okay,
so
the
direction
for
staff
is
to
come
back
in
three
months.
I've
had
a
request
from
staff
to
skip
ahead
a
little
bit.
Can
someone
please
move
forward
to
hs7.
G
Thank
you
this
this
ordinance,
just
like
the
fair
Work
Week
ordinance,
has
been
before
us
a
number
of
times.
Folks
are
familiar
with
it.
We've
made
a
number
of
amendments
to
take
into
account
some
of
the
comments
that
we
have
heard.
There
is
a
gift
bag
exemption
which
which
exempts
gifts,
gift
gift
bags,
and
so
I
I
think
we're
at
a
place
where
we
should
move
forward
with
this.
G
This
aligns
with
our
carp
goals-
and
you
know
particularly
a
a
bag
ban
and
tax
is,
is,
is
the
most
effective
measure
we've
seen
to
curtail
this
I'll
note,
you
know
just
anecdotally,
but
you
know
my
personal
experience.
I
was
in
Mexico
recently
and
the
city
that
I
was
in
banned,
they're
they're
near
the
ocean
and
they
banned
plastic
bags
completely
and
I
was
not
aware
of
it.
G
When
I
went
to
the
store-
and
you
know,
I
didn't
I
didn't
bring
my
nap
Stacks
with
me
all
the
way
to
Mexico,
so
it
wasn't
planning
on
shopping
at
at
all,
but
you
know
got
there
and
their
bet.
The
cost
for
a
single
bag
was
a
dollar
fifty,
not
10
cents,
not
15
cents,
not
seven
cents,
not
50
cents.
A
dollar
fifty
and
I
can
tell
you
they
had
some
of
the
cleanest
streets.
G
I've
seen
I
was
I
was
actually
quite
embarrassed
when
I
came
back
home
and
walked
around
and
saw
all
the
trash
strewn
around
particularly
plastic
bags.
They
make
up
a
lot
of
the
trash
that
you
see,
particularly
just
like
you
see
that
rat
map
that
we
had
up
earlier,
particularly
in
my
ward
and
the
south
end.
G
We
see
this
a
lot
and
it's
you
know
some
of
it
is
it's
it's
coming
from
all
over
and
you
know
I
think
this
band,
this
bag
ban
and
tax
is
critical,
critical
to
our
environment,
critical,
to
making
our
city
more
inviting
to
making
it
a
cleaner
community
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
get
as
many
of
these
bags
out
of
our
community
as
possible,
and
that
doesn't
even
layer
on
the
comment
that
we've
heard
from
folks
regarding
the
health
impacts
of
microplastics-
and
you
know
the
the
nascent
research
there
about
the
potentially
harmful
impacts
of
these
microplastics.
G
You
know
both
particularly
in
on
the
human
body
and
so
I
would
encourage
us
to
move
forward
with
this
as
presented
and
also
I
intend,
because
this
is
in
alignment
with
our
carp
goals
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
go
through
this
process.
G
A
second
time
I
plan
to
amend
this
to
also
include
single-use
Plastics,
such
as
you
know,
single
use,
utensils,
styrofoam
and
and
those
other
materials
we've
heard
from
the
business
community,
that
that
is
something
at
least
the
folks
who
came
out
and
were
against
this.
They
were
certainly
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
a
ban
on
other
single-use,
Plastics
and
I.
Think
you
know
again
with
our
carb
goals,
saying
that
we'd
want
to
hit
that
Mark
by
2025.
G
If
we
add
that
in
here
and
we
put
that
in
alignment
with
the
actual
bag
ban,
which
is
2024,
we
can
meet
that
carp
goal
a
year
ahead
and
and
really
turn
this
ordinance.
You
know
supercharge
it
to
make
sure
we're
getting
more
and
more
of
these
harmful
Plastics
out
of
our
community.
Thank.
X
You
thank
you,
sir
I
would
imagine.
Kara
Pratt
is
with
us.
X
Had
a
quick
question
so
in
a
way
it's
written,
curler,
maybe
the
way
it's
always
been
written
with
this
exempt.
You
know
delivery
bags,
specifically
through
the
delivery
services
like
the
door.
Dads
Etc
will
are
there
any
exemptions
for
those
types
of
for
bags
provided
through
those
deliveries.
AE
G
Point
of
information,
my
understanding
was
for
delivery.
There
was
that
delivery
bags
were
not
included
in
the
ordinance.
AE
AE
So,
as
a
reminder,
the
original
version
as
council
member
Reed
mentioned,
exempts
gift
bags.
This
was
the
first
iteration
of
this
ordinance
and
the
alternative
version
came
as
a
result
of
the
straw
poll
that
city
council
conducted
earlier
this
year.
So
the
original
version,
the
scope
of
the
bag
tax
or
fee,
would
be
community-wide.
The
exemptions
related
to
people
are
just
snap
recipients.
The
exemptions
related
to
bag
types
are
gift
bags,
bags
containing
prescription
drugs,
newspaper
bags
and
pre-checkout
are
produce
bags
compared
to
the
alternative
version.
AE
So
we
have
the
scope
difference
community-wide
versus
just
retailers
over
ten
thousand
square
feet,
the
exemption
difference
original
version,
just
snap
recipients
versus
snap
recipients,
restaurants,
non-chain
store
organizations
and
retailers
under
10
000
square
feet,
exemptions
for
the
bag,
types
original
version,
as
I
mentioned
before,
gift
bags,
prescription
drugs,
newspaper
bags,
produce
bags.
Alternative
version
does
not
include
a
gift
bag
exemption
because
it's
just
retailers
over
ten
thousand
square
feet.
So
that's
only
prescription
drugs,
newspaper
bags,
pre-checkout
bags
or
produce
bags.
AE
X
Okay,
going
going
off
video
because
I
think
my
connection
is
a
little
shaky,
so
I
plan
to
make
a
an
amendment
adding
back
restaurants
and.
X
G
X
Okay,
okay,
right!
X
Well,
what
I'll
say
is
I
I,
no
matter
where
this
ends
up.
I
will
be
opposed
to
any
version
of
this
that
that
does
not
include
a
a
community-wide
plastic
bag
band,
whether
it
be
for
businesses
under
10,
000
square
feet
or
not,
or
restaurants
or
not.
X
So
I
understand
now
what
has
been
moved
and
I
will
and
I
will
rest
from
the
floor.
Thank
you,
chair.
F
Well,
I
strongly
prefer
the
alternative
version
and
I
don't
know
what
more
to
say
than
that
I
mean
I.
Think
starting
with
our
larger
retailers
of
10,
000
square
feet
or
more
is,
is
an
important
way
to
go.
We
heard
loud
and
clear
from
our
smaller
retailers
when
we
were
looking
at
the
original
version
that
this
was
really
going
to
be
a
hardship
for
them
and
that's
why
we
had
to
have
the
gift
gift
bag
concept.
F
The
alternative
alternative
version
immediately.
Well,
August
2023
bans,
the
single
point,
single-use
point
of
sale,
plastic
bags
at
the
larger
stores
and
that's
I-
think
where
the
real
problem
in
our
those
are
the
most
offensive
plastic
bags
in
our
community,
so
I
would
I
think
that's
that's
where
we
should
start
and
and
it's
exciting
that
our
grocery
stores
seem
apparently
are
prepared
to
provide
compostable
produce
bags.
F
So
it
will
make
a
huge
Improvement
I
think
in
our
community
to
ban
those
single-use
plastic
bags
from
the
larger
stores
and
to
mean
that
every
time
any
of
us
went
to
a
grocery
store
and
we
wanted
to
put
our
lettuce
in
a
produce
bag,
it
would
be
compostable
and
if
we
forget
our
care,
our
reusable
bags
and
we
check
out
and
we
need
to
bag,
it
would
have
to
be
a
paper
bag.
That's
made
of
post-consumer
recycled
content,
I
I
anyway.
I
strongly
urge
us
to
to
work
to
approve
alternative.
The
alternative
version.
G
Yes,
I
I
will
you
know
double
down
on
what
councilmember
burns
said?
One
I
I
am
fully
in
support
of
the
original
version.
You
know
it's
when
I
walk
through
my
community
I
see
plastic
bags,
I
I,
don't
know
if
it's
from
a
big
retailer,
a
small
one,
maybe
if
it
has
the
Jewel
Osco
side
on
the
side
of
it.
But
these
are
you
know.
A
plastic
bag
in
the
community
is
a
plastic
bag
in
the
community.
G
That
is,
is
harmful,
whether
it's
coming
from
a
big
retailer
or
a
small
retailer
I,
don't
think
with
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
this
logic
would
apply
to
to
many
other
cases
that
it's
it's
okay,
if
a
small
business
is
polluting
our
environment,
but
it's
not
okay.
If
a
large
businesses,
it's
not
okay
for
anyone
to
do
it
and
we
we
need
to
change
behavior
and
many
communities.
G
Many
even
states
have
adopted
this
kind
of
ban
and
in
fact-
and
some
of
them
have
gone
further
than
this,
particularly
in
other
countries,
because
they
are
taking
this
serious.
This
is
a
you
know.
We
know
that
in
order
to
again,
if
we
are
going
to
say
that
carp
is
one
of
our
priorities
that
our
climate
action
resiliency
is
one
of
our
priorities
and
if
we
truly
believe
that
this
is,
you
know,
a
crisis
that
we
are
facing.
G
G
You
know
if
we
don't
get
this
right,
and
so
we
need
to
start
really
taking
a
serious
setting
the
tone
not
only
for
Evanston
but
for
for
the
state
and
for
our
our
neighboring
communities
and
I
think
it
is
extremely
imperative
that
we
move
forward
with
the
original
version
or
you
know,
because
I'm
I'm,
certainly
counting
votes
and
reading
faces
up
here.
You
know
if
folks
are
so
inclined
to
go
with
the
alternative
version,
which
I
think
would
be
a
mistake.
G
We
need
to
amend
it
to
ensure
that
the
ban
takes
place.
The
ban
and
tax
take
place
for
everyone
every
retailer
you
know,
beginning
with
the
you
know
in
in
2024.
Maybe
we
can
push
it
back
a
year.
I
do
see
that
the
start
date
for
the
alternative
is
moved
up
a
bit,
but
I
I
think
you
know
we
can
push
that
out
for
the
smaller
retailers
to
have
time
to
make
the
adjustment
and
I
will
note
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
this.
G
We
move
forward
now,
particularly
with
the
original
version,
because
again
we're
we're
going
to
need
our
small
businesses
to
get
on
board
too,
and
currently
we
have
funds
within
our
our
climate
action
fund
to
support
small
businesses
care.
Can
you
maybe
talk
about
the
funds
that
we
have
for
for
small
debt
would
be
available
to
small
businesses
who
need
assistance,
making
the
shift.
AE
Sure,
on
Earth
Day,
we
launched
a
new
iteration
of
sustain
Evanston.
These
are
grants
up
to
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
General
Energy,
Efficiency
decarbonization
and
waste
related
projects
for
small
businesses,
and
it
would
include
transitioning
the
types
of
takeout
containers,
as
well
as
other
Waste
Management
activities.
G
Thank
you,
and-
and
so
you
know
with
that,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
make
this
full
change.
Now
we
allow
our
small
businesses
the
the
opportunity
to
have
access
to
these
funds
to
to
make
the
adjustment
and
I'll
note
that
five
percent
of
every
of
every
portion
of
the
tax
or
every
you
know,
15
cent
tax
goes
to
the
small
business
to
help
cover
the
cost
of
both
the
bags
and
implementation
of
this,
and
it's
as
I
demonstrated.
G
You
know
it
is
not
a
a
burden,
a
huge
burden
to
track
the
sale
of
these
bags
in
this
five
cents
per
bag
will
certainly
help
cover.
That
and
and
I
want
to
note
that
you
know
with
the
alternative
version
that
lowers
the
tax
detention.
G
We
need
the
funding
for
education
and
for
Equity
sense
if,
if
we're
only
giving
five
cents
to
the
business-
and
you
know
I
forget
the
exact
breakdown
to
Solid,
Waste
or
three
Cent
and
then,
and
vice
versa,
for
the
health
department,
we
are
not
having
the
adequate
amount
of
funding
to
make
sure
that,
when
we
do
ban
plastic
bags
entirely
that
that
the
entire
Community
knows
how
to
use
these
reusable
bags
or
we're
just
going
to
have
folks
switch
to
you
know
these.
G
Yes
they're
recycled
paper
bags
and
you
know
potentially
bags
made
of
other
materials,
but
if
they're
not
reusable
bags
and
will
still
have
the
problem
with
the
with
these
ending
up
in
our
waste
stream
or
Worse,
not
in
our
waste
streaming
in
our
community-
and
you
know
these
particularly
paper
bags.
G
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
are
more,
they
take
more
energy
to
produce
than
plastic
bags,
and
the
goal
is
to
move
people
away
from
all
of
these
single-use
bags
and
not
just
away
from
plastic
bags,
but
from
all
single
use
and
to
more
sustainable
sources.
And
so
I
would
really
urge
us
to
keep
the
tax
at
15
and
I'll
I'll
close
with
this
for
now,
there's
clear
research
to
show
that
a
ban
alone
is
not
as
effective
as
a
band
plus
attacks
in
in
in
in
changing
Behavior
I
would
really
that
dollar.
G
Fifty
in
Mexico,
you
know,
certainly
was
a
reminder
that
I,
you
know
I,
don't
think
folks
forget
to
bring
their
their
bags
when
you
pay
that
once
and
they
don't
seem
to
be
exemptions,
many
exemptions
there
and
so
I
I
would
encourage
us
to
be
bold
to
continue
to
really
live
up
to
our
carp.
Our
carp
goals.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
great
I'll,
just
chime
in
and
say
that
I'm
in
in
favor
of
the
alternative
version,
I
just
think
we
need
to
have
something
that
will
realistically
pass
at
city
council
and
we
need
to
just
start
on
this
and
that's
where
I'm
at
since
we
have
two
versions:
We
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
from
council
member
Reed
to
move
forward.
The
original
version
am
I
right
or
correct,
correct
correct!
So
do
we
have
a
second
to
move
the
original
version?
A
G
Or
hedicottis,
if
you're
planning
to
vote
no
on
the
original
I
would
encourage.
F
G
A
AF
Versions
of
the
ordinance,
it
would
be
proper
to
vote
on
the
one
that
was
proposed
and
then
make
a
motion
to
vote
on.
The
second
version.
A
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
so
I
I
guess
we
will
vote
on
the
original
version
and
then
we
still
have
the
option
of
voting
on
the
alternative
version.
If
we
have
someone
move
the
motion,
so
this
again
is
for
the
original
version
of
the
back
tax.
If
we
can
take
a
roll.
X
All
good
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
plan
on
voting
for
this
I
I
to
move
it
forward.
I
still
have
some
concerns
about
it.
That
I
was
ready
to
address
at
Council,
but
I.
You
know
if
it
is,
if
it
does
fail,
I
plan
to
make
an
amendment
to
the
to
the
second
version
and
I
will
I
will
speak
to
that
more
at
that
time.
Thank
you.
G
G
A
I
think
me
personally:
when
I
read
the
packet
I
thought
there
would
be
a
option
to
vote
for
one
if
that
doesn't
pass
vote
for
the
other.
We've
clarified
with
legal
I
think
it's
written,
I'm
sure
whatever
comes
out
of
this
will
be
presented
in
in
you
know
its
full
form
at
city
council,
so
I,
I
I
think
we
should
follow
council's
advice,
and
so
we
are
voting
on
the
original
bag
tax
amendment
as
written
version.
One.
B
A
A
So
the
motion
fails
council,
member
Revell.
F
I
move
approval
of
the
alternative
version.
We
recommend
that
for
approval
to
council.
X
Sure
I
would
like
to
amend
this
to
reflect
again
what
we
have
heard
from
our
small
businesses,
those
who
are
under
10
000
square
feet
and
as
well
as
restaurants,
that
I've
talked
to
directly
and
that
have
addressed
I,
believe
this
body,
but
also
that
we've
talked
to
in
small
group
conversations
and
as
I
expressed
before
I
have
not
heard
a
single
one
of
those
businesses
expressed
concern
about
the
ban.
X
X
You
know
that
were
previously
discussed,
so
you
know,
council,
member
Harris,
I
I
would
appreciate
some
support
on
this,
and
all
these
call
call
you
out
because
I
think
everybody
else
is
is
is
firmly
in
their
position
and
I
only
say
it
was
a
mistake
that
was
made
to
include
the
bad
I.
Don't
know
why
it
was
included.
X
It
just
got
mixed
up
and
all
this
somehow,
but
that
has
never
been
requested
of
us
and
so
I
just
asked
for
a
little
bit
of
faith
and
moving
forward
amending
this
to
include
just
the
band
to
bring
back
the
band
to
include
business.
X
Restaurants
and
businesses
other
under
10,
000
square
feet
and
I
will
pull
the
record
and
but
between
now
and
the
next
in
the
council,
meeting
and
I
will
show
everyone
here
that
there's
never
been
a
concern
expressed
about
the
ban,
and
so
we
we
should
not
eliminate
it
for
restaurants
and
businesses
under
10
000
square
feet.
In
fact,
again,
they've
encouraged
us
to
do
it
because
they
see
the
importance
of
it.
That's
all
chair.
E
Thank
you
and
I'm
glad.
You
called
me
because
I
talked
to
councilmember
Ravel
earlier
and
I
said
I
thought
I
remembered
that
we
kind
of
paused
and
said
we
would
just
wait
for
the
band
to
play
out
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
that
I
did
have
that
conversation
earlier
and
I
wasn't
clear.
So,
yes,
I
am
in
favor
of
what
you've
suggested.
G
Well,
what
I
was
going
to
do
is
make
another
motion.
I
I
also
am
in
support.
So
council
member
Burns,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'll,
just
and
I'll
also
note
this
in
councilmember
Harris
college.
You
know
it's
calling
on
you
also
with
a
simpler
effect.
Is
council
member
Byrne
since
that
worked,
but
I'm,
also
calling
on
all
of
my
colleagues
councilmember
Ravel
and
edit
katus
that
what
also
very
clear
that
we
heard
the
businesses
say,
many
of
them
say
that
they
support
Banning.
G
Other
Plastics
such
as
you
know,
a
styrofoam
packaging
in
various
clamshell
packaging
and
that
aligns
with
our
carp
goals
and
with
our
carb
goals
for
2025.
Let's
get
it
done
a
year
early
and
so
I
would
like
to
actually
make
the
motion
to
both
reinstate
the
ban
for
all
businesses.
G
You
know
ten
thousand
square
feet
and
above
and
under
for
plastic
bags.
I
would
also
move
that
we
ban
Senegalese
Plastics
such
as
straws,
and
you
know,
styrofoam
and
those
other
materials
as
well
in
alignment
with
the
an
effect
date
for
this
ordinance.
A
Okay,
so
council,
member
Reed,
if
you
can
send
that
in
in.
A
So
one
of
so
just
to
clarify
we
will
wait
for
an
email
if
you
could
email
myself
and
let's
go
to
storm.
G
Just
yeah
happy
to
do
that
just
point
of
information
or
order
that
in
writing,
Amendment
rule
does
not
apply
a
committees.
It
only
applies
at
Council,
just
as
a
as
a
note
and
what
I'd
really
like
to
see
is
you
know
between
now
and
console
our
Law
Department
and
in
our
our
experts
in
the
sustainability
Department,
come
up
with
a
clear
definition
for
all
of
those
single-use
Plastics.
G
That
is,
you
know
really
in
alignment
with
our
carb
goals
and
so
that
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
between
now
and
console
I
get
a
council
when
it's
coming
up
for
nearly
final
vote,
we're
making
final
action.
We
want
it
inviting,
but
that's
why
we
have
committees,
foreign.
F
If
I
understand
you
correctly,
Banning
single-use
point
of
sale,
plastic
bags
for
all
all
retailers
of
any
size,
because
I
agree
with
council
member
Burns
that
our
smaller
retailers
are
quite
happy
to
not
issue
a
single-use
point
of
sale
plastic
bags
when,
when
we
start
now
talking
about
something
we
haven't
talked
about
yet
I
worry
that
we're
going
to
get
bogged
down
so
I
would
rather
have
you
make
two
different
motions
and
then
you
know
deal
with
the
plastic
silverware
and
the
you
know
all
that
other
stuff
separately,
because
I
I,
you
know
as
our
is
our
restaurant
Community
ready
for
that
I
I
don't
know.
E
Yes,
well
I
understand
it's
just
for
Council
I
got
really
confused
when
you
started
saying
all
of
that.
So
if
we
either
put
it
in
writing
so
that
we're
clear
in
our
constituents
are
clear
or
restate
what
you
are
expecting.
A
Yeah
and
I
I
think
I
will
second
what
councilmember
Ravel
said
about
I
think
we
should
stick
with
the
bag
side
of
things
here.
We're
opening
up
another
can
of
worms,
I
think
with
the
single
use,
Mic
straws
and
all
that
stuff.
G
Yes,
well,
if,
if
I
can
miss
Pratt.
X
That
was
actually
my
motion.
Nothing,
but
you
didn't
make
it
go
ahead.
G
Miss
Pratt,
if
I
can
have
you
to
the
Point
regarding
single-use
Plastics,
such
as
the
clam
shells
such
as
straws
and
these
other
items
that
is
in
our
car
plan,
right
that
by
2025
we
would
eliminate
the
use
of
those
in
our
city.
G
And
our
cart
plan
back
in
2018
went
through
a
very
thorough
I.
Don't
think
you're
here
at
the
point,
but
from
I
think
all
of
our
knowledge
went
through
a
very
thorough
public
process.
Is
that
correct.
G
And
there's
feedback
from
the
environment
Community
from
All
Over
Evanston
on
this
car
plan
and
the
council
voted
I
believe
unanimously
to
adopt
it
so
to
say
now,
two
years
out
from
when
our
cart
plan
that
went
through
this
very
rigorous
public
process.
To
say
now
that
oh
we're
not
ready
to
look
at
single-use
Plastics.
We
got
to
go
through
another
public
process.
To
make
this
turn,
we
made
the
determination
and
we
said
we
need
to
get.
G
G
and
so
I,
don't
know
where
the
confusion
is.
We
had
the
discussion
we
made
the
decision
years
ago,
it's
time
for
action,
it's
time
for.
G
For
us
to
you
know
in
a
few
weeks
to
come
back
here
and
say
that
that
our
goal,
that
one
of
our
top
priorities
for
the
next
two
years
is.
G
G
For
all
you
know
all
retailers
in
20
in
alignment
here
with
August
1st
2023
and
then
I
will
separately
make
the
motion,
but
I
encourage
us
to
follow
the
plan
that
we
set
in
place
and
follow
the
guidance
that
many
many
residents
committed
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
their
time
in
this
Council
and
staff
to
set
that
to
set
these
benchmarks
for
us
and
let's
actually
meet
them,
and
let's
meet
particularly
this
one
a
year
ahead
of
time
without
having
to
go
back
through
this
process.
G
This
whole
process
again
that
we've
went
through
on
plastic
bags
again
with
the
single-use
Plastics,
because
we
know
what
we
need
to
do
so.
I
I
move
the
first
portion
of
that
which
is
adding
back
in
the
the
retail
establishments
under
10
000
square
feet
for
the
band.
X
And
so
chair,
if
I
may
want
information
from
a
legal.
My
understanding
of
where
we
are
right
now
is
council.
Member
Revell
made
a
motion
and
after
it
was
properly
moved
and
seconded
I,
made
an
amendment
and
I,
don't
know
where
that
went,
but
somehow
it
disappeared.
So
I
just
I,
don't
know
if
legal
can
help
us
out,
but
but
unless
I,
just
completely
spaced
out
I
made
an
amendment
after
councilmember
ravel's
motion
was
properly
moved
and
seconded.
G
X
X
I
didn't
hear
it
and
I
would
like
to
make
it
wasn't
even
given
an
opportunity.
I
think
you
just
spoke
immediately
after
that,
but
I
either
way
it
results
in
the
same
thing,
I
just
I'm,
pretty
sure
I
made
an
amendment
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
in
the
future.
Those
amendments
are
recognized
properly
and
I.
X
Don't
know
if
we,
you
know
need
to
treat
this
like
a
football
game
figure
out
how
we
do
quick
playbacks
to
know
what
the
order
of
things
are,
but
I
think
it'll
help
Just
for
future
discussion
of
discussions
and
amendments,
so
we
can
kind
of
track
along
with
what's
going
on,
but
that's
all
true.
A
I
apologize
just
because
you
know
it's
the
hybrid
nature
of
this
makes
it.
You
know
just
that
level
of
difficulty
extra.
So
can
you
and
I
think
I
also
kind
of
heard
heard
it
as
like?
You
were
stated
your
intent
to
make
the
the
mo
the
amendment.
Could
you
restate
the
amendment
please
councilmember
Burns.
X
If,
if
folks
are
having
issues
hearing
me-
and
that
was
the
issue,
I
will
councilmember
reads,
you
can
make
the
the
motion
it
or
the
amendment
it
all
results
in
the
same
end,
I
just
you
know,
want
to
make
sure
in
the
future
we're
we're
properly
recording
amendments
in
motions
that
are
made.
Yes,.
G
X
Am
right,
I'm
a
grown
adult
I
understand
the
difference.
What
I'm
saying
is
is
that
I
said
I
would
like
that.
I
would
like
to
make
it
I'm
going
to
make
it
a
minute.
I
said
the
amendment
is,
and
then
I
went
on.
Okay,
so
in
like
two
is
saying:
I
would
like
you
like
I'm
making
the
amendment
I
would
like
to
make
an
amendment
on
this.
It's
it's
somewhat
kind
of
colloquial
formal
speech,
but
it's
a
Norm.
That's
what
you
say
when
you're
introducing
something
that
you
would
like
to
do
anyway.
A
Okay,
just
to
clarify
this
in
the
this
would
take
and
I'm
looking
here
at
the
talk
about
the
alternative
version
under
where
it
says
plastic
bag
ban,
where
it
says
alternative
right,
this
would
say
community-wide
with
no,
so
we
just
shift
the
other
two
columns
where
it
says:
scope
we're
moving
scope
from
the
original,
where
it
says
community-wide
and
with
no
exemptions.
We'd
move
that
to
the
scope
for
the
alternative.
C
A
A
On
the
floor
is
that
the
alternative
version
of
the
plastic
bag
band
that
we're
changing
the
scope
to
be
community-wide
with
no
exemptions.
A
X
C
E
AE
Those
types
of
bags
would
still
be
Exempted
because
they
would
be
considered
hygienic
food
bags,
so
there
would
be
no
note
tax
on
any
type
of
bag
like
that
and
in
terms
of
the
ban.
It
would
be
up
to
this
board
whether
we
would
retain
the
language
about
banning
pre-checkout
plastic
bags
as
well.
I.
Believe
that's
the
intention.
Yes,.
V
AE
F
A
G
I
I
would
like
to
move
that
in
alignment
with
our
carp
goals
that
we
include
and
that
we
write
into
this
a
ban
on
all
single-use
plastics
for
April
1st
2024.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
second
any
discussion
on
the
on
the
point
of
sale,
council
member
Revell.
C
AG
Thank
you,
chair
Gara,
Caris
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
Brian
Zimmerman
Solid
Waste
coordinator
under
Public
Works,
most
likely,
the
definition
of
single-use
plastics
would
be
anything
that's
a
derivative
of
Food
Service,
wear
that's
coming
out
of
a
restaurant
or
Deli
or
some
kind
of
device.
That's
only
going
to
be
primarily
used
once
and
then
discarded.
AG
AG
So
it
would
have
to
be
crafted
rather
carefully,
but
if
I
were
to
take
a
general
through
35
000
foot
definition,
it
would
probably
be
things
like
utensils,
straws,
clam
shells,
other
types
of
to-go
containers
that
you
know
have
that
folding
enclosure
type
definition
I,
don't
imagine
we
would
be
looking
at
anything
like
pizza
boxes
or
stuff
like
that,
because
those
are
primary
devices
that
are
used
to
transport
those
materials.
F
And
and
just
to
council
member
Reed's
point
about,
we
adopted
carp,
and
so
we
adopted
everything
in
it.
We
we
did
not
by
any
stretch
for
the
imagination,
agree
to
to
every
last
line
in
it
without
we
acknowledged
that
we
would
have
to
have
a
lot
of
further
conversation
about
how
to
work
move
forward.
With
many
of
the
details
we
so
I
I
mean
I'm
I'm
committed
to
our
addressing
single-use
Plastics
in
in
due
time,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
get
ahead
of
ourselves.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Reed.
Thank
you.
G
G
G
G
You
know
our
businesses
are
members
of
the
community
and
and
really
particularly
in
Evanston
active
members
of
the
community,
they're
likely
a
lot
of
businesses
involved
in
the
crafting
of
our
cart
plan,
and
you
know
when
it
comes
to
what
should
be
is
clear,
as
as
our
you
know,
is
this
goal,
particularly
this
goal
in
our
car
plan.
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
to
be
had
it's.
We
we
either
again.
G
We
either
are
saying
that
our
climate
is
a
crisis
that
our
inaction,
particularly
in
addressing
human
activity
and
the
human
cause
of
climate
change.
We
either
are
saying
that
that
is
a
crisis
or
it's
not,
and
if
it
is
a
crisis,
getting
rid
of
these
single-use
Plastics
is
the
first
small
step
that
we
can
take
to
actually
make
a
difference
in
that
realm,
and
so
you
know
we'll
have
again.
This
is
another
one
where
it's
going
to
take
over
a
month.
G
To
get
two
readings
of
this,
we
can
certainly
have
conversations,
but
I
will
note
similar
to
the
other
item.
Our
businesses
were
saying:
hey
band,
styrofoam
ban
these
other
things.
They
thought
that
that
would
be
more
impactful
and
we're
not
saying
tax
those
items
or
anything
of
that
sort.
We're
saying
hey
in
2024
less
than
a
year
before
we
anticipated
these
to
be
banned
according
to
carp.
Let's
ban
them
now
and
let's
not
waste
more
time,
having
a
discussion
about
something
that
we
know
what
the
outcome
should
be.
G
AG
I
just
like
to
add
I
think
we
all
agree
with
those
sentiments.
I
think
there's
some
generally
real,
challenging
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
before
being
able
to
fully
understand
the
breadth
of
that
move,
move
to
that
kind
of
direction.
AG
There's
challenges
with
different
Alternatives,
where
it's
been
more
defined
and
well
played
out
with
bags,
there's
far
less
concrete
direction
as
the
best
alternative
in
those
spaces,
even
places
that
have
been
far
more
Progressive
and
ahead
of
us
in
these
different
types
of
actions
are
still
finding
their
way
when
it
comes
to
single-use
utensils
and
items.
There
is
also
infrastructure
questions
when
it
comes
to
things
that
are
compostable.
G
I
I
hope
to
see
us
take
action
on
this
before
2025
and
I.
I
hope
that
this
Council
does
not
vote
to
make
carp
one
of
our
priorities
when
it
comes
time
to
set
our
priorities,
we
should
drop
that
as
a
priority
and
really
focus
on
the
next
two
years
on
things
that
we
can
actually
make
a
difference
for
so
and
chair.
X
X
You
know,
I'm,
not
sure
the
business
was
Community
was
pulled
into
the
cart
planning
process
is
as
much
as
they
have
been
Through
the
Fair
work
week
and
now
the
plastic
bag
band
discussions,
and
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I
am
making
an
emotion
right
now,
I'm,
making
a
motion
to
to
make
sure
we
bring
this
back
the
issue
of
what
are
the
containers
called
again
I'm.
Sorry,
the.
A
Clamshell
and
the
single
use
plastic
sing.
The
least
point
of.
X
If
we
bring
that
back,
how
long
do
we
think
we
need
Brian
to
look
into
this
I.
AG
Think
I
think
we
can
start
having
these
conversations
with
restaurants
in
that
Community,
specifically
almost
immediately,
as
most
of
you
are
aware,
we're
trying
to
build
a
circularity
road
map
with
our
community,
because
one
of
the
areas
of
a
car
plant
that
wasn't
necessarily
fleshed
out
was
the
waste
one
and
we're
trying
to
develop
more
strategies
and
ideas
on
how
we
best
tackle
that
not
just
from
an
emission
standpoint,
but
just
our
general
footprint
of
how
much
we
consume.
AG
So
a
lot
of
that
interaction
will
be
tailored
towards
businesses
over
the
coming
months.
So
I
don't
see
why
we
can't
bring
it
up
in
a
general
time
frame.
So.
A
A
You
know
in-depth
discussion
about
you
know
preparing
that
I,
don't
know
if
that
changes.
Your
your
motion.
G
A
So
that
now
we
are
at
the
main,
the
alternative
version
with
the
amendment
for
the
community-wide
classic
bag
ban
with
no
exemptions,
so
that
will
we
will
take
a
roll
call
vote.
I'm.
G
Here,
which
is
again
I
I
think
it
is
critical
that
we
have
the
funding
for
the
education
and
to
provide
resources
to
you
know
the
communities
that
will
have
a
tougher
time
adapting
to
this
and
without
the
education
component,
we're
just
throwing
people
out
there
and
we're
saying
hey.
Take
this
big,
you
know.
G
Essentially,
this
is
It's
a
behavioral
change
and
it
you
know
for
some
people
it
may
be
a
big
shift
in
Behavior
changes
and
we're
saying
do
that
with
zero
education,
zero
resources,
just
figure
it
out,
and
the
five
keeping
this
at
15
cents
will
allow
us
to
have
the
revenue
that
I
believe
the
health
department
or
Colorado's
Department.
G
Whoever
needs
it
will
will
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
educating
people
I
think
it
should
be
a
combination
of
both
because
we
want
to
make
sure
from
a
health
perspective
that
folks
understand
that
they
need
to
wash
these
bags
there's
so
many
people
that
do
not
understand
that
they
need
to
wash
their
cotton
in
reusable
bags
and
they're,
just
reusing
it
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
they're
getting
themselves
sick.
And
so
we
need
to
educate
people
on
that.
G
We
need
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
this
ordinance
is
going
to
be
taking
effect,
especially
taking
effects
as
soon
as
as
soon
as
it
is.
We
need
to
have
an
education
campaign
and
it
would
be
be.
You
know,
I,
think
similar
to
what
was
said
earlier.
We
might
be
doing
more
harm
than
good
if
we
aren't
having
that
education
component
and
the
funding
for
that
needs
to
come
from
somewhere.
So
I
will
ask
director
ogbo
from
a
health
standpoint.
G
Do
you
think
making
sure
that
we
have
Revenue
wherever
it
comes
from
to
ensure
that
we're
doing
education,
the
ensuring
that
we're
educating
residents
about
this?
Do
you
think
that
makes
sense.
AA
Yeah
I
think
an
initiative
as
what
we've
been
deliberating
and
having
conversations
about
there
has
to
be
an
educational
component
on
it,
especially
in
those
neighborhoods
or
areas
where
they
might
not
have.
AA
An
initiative
of
this
magnitude
definitely
needs
an
educational
component,
and
if
it's
the
world
of
the
city
council,
it
will
be
an
element
that
will
embark
on
with
our
climate
team
to
figure
out
ways
in
which
education
can
be
disseminated
to
especially
those
individuals
who
might
not
have
as
much
access
as
others.
Regarding
these
items.
G
AE
G
And
so
I
appreciate
that
and
and
I
think
we
do
have
a
robust
Community
here,
who's
willing
who
are
willing.
We
have
tons
of
people
I'm
sure
many
of
us
up
here
have
maybe
far
too
many
of
these
reusable
bags
and
we
could
stand
to
donate
some
of
those
to
a
community
effort.
But
we
also
just
need
the
resources
to
make
sure
that
those
Community
efforts
exist
that
it's
getting,
that
those
resources
are
being
saturated
in
the
community
and.
G
You
know
unless
we're
saying
that
the
city
is
just
flush
with
resources
to
do
this,
which
I
don't
think
we
are.
We
have
limited
funds.
G
This
will
be
the
source
of
Revenue
to
make
sure
that
we
have
what
we
need
to
to
fully
implement
this
in
a
thoughtful
and
smart
way,
and
so
I
move
that
we
that,
in
line
with
the
original
version
version
that
the
tax
be
15
cents
and
with
the
additional
Revenue
going
split
between
the
climate
action
team
and
the
health
department
to
provide
the
resources
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
education
component
and
resources
are
available.
V
G
We
just
heard
from
our
public
health
professional.
We
just
heard
from
our
climate
team
that
folks
need
to
be
educated
on
this
and
this
Council
I
don't
know
where
the
money
is
going
to
come
from
to
do
that.
But
what
we're
saying
is
we
don't
care
about
proper
implementation
to
me
this
without
proper
implementation?
This
is
just
another.
G
You
know
feel-good
moment
where
we
get
to
Pat
ourselves
on
the
back
and
yes,
we've
made
some
progress,
but
again
we
are
going
to
leave
out
our
residents,
who
are
least
proximate
to
power
who
are
low
income
and
we're
not
going
to
provide
them
with
the
resources
they
need
to
make.
This
adjustment
disappointing.
A
Thank
you,
okay.
The
vote
on
the
floor
is
for
the
alternate
version
with
the
amendment
for
the
community-wide
ban.
C
A
G
A
All
right
discussion
on
the
floor.
A
AD
For
the
sake
of
this
conversation,
I'm
going
to
refer
to
everything
as
mushrooms
or
psilocybin,
but
in
the
last
10
years
none
and
I
will
speak
a
little
bit
more
on
that
I.
Think
in
my
entire
career
here
I've
come
across
mushrooms
one
time,
and
that
was
probably
at
least
15
years
ago.
So.
G
Again,
you
know
good
news
that
we're
not
arresting
a
lot
of
folks
out
there
with
this,
but
we
we,
we
know
that
folks
are
using
psilocybin
within
our
community.
It
is
currently
you
know,
a
felony
under
state
law.
To
me,
this
is
doing
two
things
similar
to
actions
that
we've
taken
in
the
past.
It
is
creating
an
alternative
right,
any
amount
and
Commander
glue
if
you
can
always
feel
free
to
correct
them.
If
I'm
saying
anything
wrong,
it's
the
same
thing
with
our
attorney
any
amount.
G
And
actually
we
I'm
sorry,
we
have
been
on
the
phone
Ben.
Do
you
want
to
answer
that
if
you
have.
D
Yeah
that
what
you
said
is
correct:
council
member
Reed
psilocybin,
like
all
other
scheduled
Controlled,
Substances
schedule,
one
Controlled
Substances
under
Illinois
state
law
and
possession
simple
possession
of
any
quantity
whatsoever
is
classified
as
a
felony.
Thank.
V
G
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
have
created
alternatives
to
felony
possession
of
items
before
right,
because
we
don't
want
people
in
our
community
being
arrested
for
silly
things
and
potentially
facing
a
felony.
It's
wonderful
that
this
has
not
happened
yet.
G
Or
at
least
it
has
not
happened
in
the
last
10
years
as
far
as
the
records
indicate,
I
actually
recall
very
distinctly
recall
a
city
clerk
sitting
here
during
a
presentation
and
seeing
that
there
was
at
least
one
or
two
arrests.
You
know
maybe
we're
just
outside
of
that
10-year
Mark,
but
I
remember
in
around
2017
getting
a
presentation
from
the
then
police
chief
about
different
drug
arrests
and
seeing
at
least
a
couple
under
this
category.
G
So
this
is
in
line
with
what
comparable
communities
have
done.
In
fact,
the
language
that
I
put
into
the
referral
was
mirrored
exactly
from
Ann
Arbor
Michigan,
which
again
we
cannot
create
an
alternative
to
I'm.
Sorry,
we
cannot
decriminalize
an
action
that
at
the
state
level,
is
seen
as
a
felony.
We
cannot
over
home
rule.
Authority
does
not
allow
us
to
overrule
state
law
in
that
regard,
particularly
relating
to
felonies,
but
we
can
create
a
local
alternative
and
we
can
direct
our
Police
Department
to
do.
G
Essentially,
what
they've
been
doing
to
make
sure
that
it's,
you
know
codified,
that
we
make
this
our
lowest
priority
for
enforcement
and
for
for
prosecution
and
we
don't
waste
any
City
resources
enforcing
potentially
this
law,
and
we
don't
put
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
we
are
ruining
right
if
this
slips
up,
even
once
we,
when
someone's
life
for
possessing
a
plant
that
you
know
for
those
of
us
who
are
religious
or
if
you're,
not
that
you
know
someone
the
god
that
the
Creator,
whatever
that
naturally
grows
here
on
Earth,
we
would
ruin
someone's
life
with
a
felony
because
they
possess
psilocybin,
which,
which
was
accurately
described
in
public
comment.
G
When
you
look
at
the
list
of
of
illegal
or
controlled
substances,
psilocybin
is
at
the
bottom
of
the
list.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
harm
that
it
causes
to
the
individual,
the
harm
that
it
causes
to
society.
Psilocybin
is
not
addictive
and
and
Ben
I
know
you're
with
ACLU
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
you
know
anything
that
you'd
like
to
to
add
about
Silas
Simon
from
either
the
legal's
perspective
or
the
research
that
has
been
done
to
support
the
ACLU.
Coming
to
its
determination
on
this.
D
I,
don't
of
special
expertise
in
psilocybin
I
think
I
would
be.
My
organization
would
have
the
same
position,
no
matter
what
substance
this
Council
was
seeking
to
to
move
away
from
criminalizing
people,
because
the
truth
is:
we've
been
trying
that
approach
for
50
years
and
it
hasn't
worked.
D
It's
only
done
more
harm
in
our
communities,
but
I
think
what
you've
said
is
true,
and
there
is
research
to
back
up
that
this
particular
substance
instead
of
substances
that
there
is
some
research
that
actually
shows
a
benefit,
a
therapeutic
value
to
the
use
of
this
substance,
in
addition
to
not
being
associated
with
harms
like
addiction
or
overdose,
those
aren't
things
that
are
associated
with
the
use
of
psilocybin,
like
they
are
with
some
other
Controlled
Substances.
D
So
in
terms
of
a
starting
point
to
dismantle
this
edifice
of
harmful
Drug,
War
era,
laws
that
have
done
nothing
but
but
do
harm
to
our
communities.
This
is
a
great
starting
point
and
yeah.
That's
that's
what
I
have
to
say
about
that.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
I
I,
we'll
we'll
you
know,
I'd
love
also
to
see
the
we
had,
the
you
know.
The
Clean
Air
Act
folks
come
out
with
cannabis
consumption
lounges.
G
There
is
also
plenty
of
research
about,
and
it
was
mentioned
during
public
comment
about
the
as
far
as
the
therapeutic
use,
that
psilocybin
can
help
with
folks
curtailing
addiction
to
other
substances
such
as
tobacco,
such
as
alcohol,
which
are
far
more
at
the
top
of
the
list,
particularly
alcohol,
at
the
top
of
the
list
for
controlled
substances
that
cause
harm
both
for
the
individual
and
for
society,
and
so
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
here.
G
This
is
not
for
it's
for
action,
but
it's
for
Action
to
direct
staff
to
to
come
back
with
more
research
on
this
I
think
the
research
is
clear
and
not
I
think
I'm
sure
that
the
research
is
clear
on
this,
that
this
should
not
be
a
a
substance
that
this
that
the
City
of
Evanston
uses
any
time
to
in
any
of
our
limited
police
hours
to
try
to
enforce.
We
should
make
this
our
lowest
enforcement
priority.
G
We
should
create
an
alternative,
so
folks
do
not
have
the
threat
of
a
felony
hanging
over
them
if
they
are
in
possession
of
a
psilocybin,
and
you
know
we
should
should
make
sure
that
folks
have
you
know
non-criminal
access
to
to
to
this.
If
they,
you
know
see
fit
for
the
therapeutic
use
again.
G
As
noted,
in
no
way
will
this
legalize
the
retail
of
psilocybin
or
any
other
in
theogenic
plant,
it
will
simply
create
an
alternative
for
the
felony
and
direct
our
Police
Department
to
make
this
their
lowest
priority,
and
so
I
I
would
hope
that
we
can
move
forward
with
having
staff
do
more
research
into
this
matter.
A
Thank
you,
council
member
Rebel,.
F
So
I
think
in
our
memo,
the
legal,
our
legal
department
said
roughly
that
municipalities
may
not
reclassify
an
act
determined
by
state
law
to
be
a
misdemeanor
and
make
it
a
felony
and
vice
versa.
So
I
might
guess.
My
first
question
is
what
what
actually
are
we
trying.
G
To
do
if
I
can
respond
to
that.
That
was
an
argument
that
I
had
previously
when
we
came
to
the
burglars
tools,
ordinance
I
was
seeking
to
eliminate
the
burglar
stools
ordinance
because
it
already
is
a
felony
charge
and
I
made
that
exact
argument,
because
at
the
time
that
was
my
belief,
the
Law
Department
very
clearly
said
in
support
of
council
member
chair
heritage's
Amendment
to
the
burglars
tools
ordinance
that,
yes,
in
fact,
we
do
have
the
ability
to
create
an
alternative
to
alternative
charge.
G
That
is
a
misdemeanor,
and
so,
if
there
is
now
a
reversal
on
that
position,
you
know
that
affirms
what
my
initial
suspicion
was
around
burglar
stools,
but
I'm
happy
to.
F
AF
So,
okay,
the
legal
department
has
never
said
that
we
can
make
a
felony
a
misdemeanor
or
misdemeanor
a
felony.
That
is
a
long-standing
in
possibility.
However,
we
can
make
alternate
suggestions
for
enforcement,
so
the
possession
of
mushrooms
will
still
be
a
felony,
but
the
way
that
we
choose
to
penalize
or
not
penalize
it
as
a
Home
Room
municipality
is
what
is
within
our
jurisdiction.
G
So,
and-
and
that
is
in
alignment
with
with
what
came
out
of
the
burglars
tools-
discussion-
that
we
can
create
a
misdemeanor
charge
for
this.
That
would
allow
our
officers
if
they
saw
fit
to
charge
someone
with
something
for
whatever
reason
you
know
they
would.
G
They
would
have
this
alternative
option,
which
again,
I
would
hope,
is
not
used,
because
the
other
part
of
this
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
charging
people
with
any
criminal
charge
just
for
merely
possessing
this
this
item,
but
it
would
take
the
the
this
would
take
away
the
threat
or
greatly
reduce
the
threat
of
a
potential
felony
charge
as
the
state
wrangles
with.
X
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
I,
you
know
support
this
at
least
moving
forward.
I
still
I
want
to
see
how
the
discussion
you
know
develops
and
what
what
questions
people
have.
X
But
we
all
know
when,
when
these
type
of
prohibitions
aren't
forced
that
they're,
they
typically
impact
POC
communities
the
most
and,
as
we
heard
from
the
member
of
the
ACLU,
that
no
matter,
you
know
what
your
bias
whatever
Direction
your
bias
points
you
to.
If
it
points
you
in
the
direction
of
of
more
enforcement
around
these
substances,
I
think
you,
you
can't
point
to
any
research
that
shows
it's
effective
other
than
incarcerating,
leading
to
incarceration
and
disrupting
people's
lives
and
potentially
whole
families
and
so
I'm.
X
Looking
for
some
alternative
approaches,
if
not
to
decriminalize
this,
so
I'm
looking
to
hear
some
different
approaches
from
our
colleagues
who
may
disagree
with
this
direction
or
how
we
can
make
sure
that
in
in
a
future
city,
it
may
be
different
offices
when
this
is
enforced,
that
it
doesn't
impact
people,
the
color.
Anyone
who
chooses
to
use
this
up
since
and
and
so
I
I
certainly
support
moving
this
forward
again.
I.
X
Don't
think
it
is
I,
don't
think
it
is
appropriate
for
us-
and
this
is
just
me
speaking-
not
saying
anybody's
doing
this,
but
to
use
kind
of
long-standing
but
debunked
stereotypes
around
different
substances
or
different
issues
in
general
to
make
decisions.
X
I
think
we're
here
to
lead
and
to
follow
the
research
and
to
sort
through
what
we
hear
from
our
community
concerns
from
our
community,
but
also
the
way
that
against
the
research
and
and
what
we
know
today
about
within
this
context,
these
substances,
their
harm
or
their
benefit,
and
and
and
and
who
they
impact
when
they're,
when
the
criminalization
of
them
are
impacted,
so
I
certainly
support
moving
this
for
for
more
discussion.
Thank
you,
chair.
E
Thank
you
for
the
recognition,
so
I
think
I'm
a
little
confused
and
maybe
because
it's
so
late-
and
we
still
have
people
who've,
been
waiting
here
for
hours
to
name
a
street
and
I'd
like
to
get
us
moved
on,
but
I,
don't
think
I
heard
I.
Think
I
heard
legal
say
that
it
is
still
a
felony.
Is
that
correct,
not
that
it
would
be
a
misdemeanor?
How
we
deal
with
that?
Felony
is
up
to
our
discretion
and
maybe
I'm
wrong
with
that.
Can
you
please
clarify.
AF
For
me,
that
is
correct.
We
cannot
change
what
the
state
has
deemed
a
felony.
We
can
choose
to
enforce
it
differently,
meaning
we
could
choose
to
make
it
a
low-level
priority
for
our
police
department,
but
we
cannot
change
the
fact
that
it
is
a
felony.
E
AD
Yeah
I
just
don't
think
it's
something
that
we
come
in
contact
with
or
recover
very
much,
it's
very,
very
infrequent
so
and
if
I
could
speak
a
little
bit
about
what
councilwoman
Rita
said
and
Leo
Council,
basically
for
us
in
the
past,
when
there
has
been
a
I
would
say
like
a
decriminalization
effort
or
a
concurrent
city
ordinance
as
we
opt
not
to
charge
somebody
with
a
felony
and
we
make
the
discussion
to
charge
them
with
a
misdemeanor.
So
we
just
the
felony
is
not
in
play
at
all.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
Revell,.
F
With
councilmember
Harris
that
it
it
doesn't,
it
sounds
like
it's
a
very
low
priority
currently
and
that's
a
good
thing.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
did
do
some
online
research
about
this,
which
I
you
know
really
hadn't
had
a
chance
to
do
before.
So
so
it's
interesting.
There
is
quite
a
bit
of
research
underway
studying
the
potential
health
benefits
of
these
substances,
but
what
I
found
particularly
interesting
is-
and
this
this
is
from-
where
is
this
from
Johns
Hopkins?
F
So
they
say
that
if
it's,
if
these
substances
are
found
to
be
safe
and
effective,
then
the
next
step
would
be
to
petition
the
the
FDA
to
reclassify
the
drug
as
a
no
longer
schedule
one,
but
make
it
a
schedule.
Four
drug,
but
even
as
this
is
the
part
I'm
wanting
to
mention,
even
assuming,
if
the
FDA
agrees
to
reclassify
it,
the
researchers
don't
recommend
releasing
psilocybin
into
into
patients
hands
even
with
a
prescription.
F
We
believe
that
the
conditions
should
be
tightly
controlled
and
then,
when
taken
for
a
clinical
reason,
it
should
be
administered
in
a
health
care
setting,
so
I
I,
just
I,
guess
I
want
to
just
caution
us
to
think
that
even
going
forward,
if
this
drug
this
sub
these
substances
get
reclassified,
we
still
want
to
re
think
about
how
we
wanted
residents
to
to
use
them.
G
You
and
I
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
the
questions
that
councilmember
Harris
had
and
what
you
just
shared
there
in
no
way
is
that
with
this
effort,
say
hey,
we
want
you
to
use
psilocybin
we're
not
promoting
the
use.
We're
simply
saying
is,
as
you
just
noted,
councilman
revelle.
It
is
a
good
thing
that
our
Police
Department
is
making
this
a
low
priority,
or
that
we're
not
seeing
this
very
much.
So
let's
just
put
that
in
writing.
G
So
our
residents
understand
that
they-
you
know
that
that
here
in
Evanston
you
will
not
be
arrested
and
criminalized
and
and
add
harm
on
to
you
know,
add
additional
harm
to
one's
life,
with
the
threat
of
potentially
being
arrested
for
this,
and
if,
for
some
reason
our
department
absolutely
has
to
use
its
discretion
right
because,
as
it
was
noted,
we
cannot
eliminate
a
felony
from
state
law.
We
didn't
eliminate
a
felony
from
state
law.
When
we
made
the
change
to
the
burglar
schools
ordinance,
we
didn't
eliminate.
G
You
know
a
felony
from
state
law
when
we've
made
when
we
were
early
on
I,
believe
we're.
Certainly,
looking
for
the
state
and
decriminalizing
low
levels
of
of
cannabis,
and
so
we
did
not
eliminate
that
from
being
a
felony
at
the
state
level,
we
simply
provided
an
alternative
to
arrest
an
alternative
that
aligned
more
with
the
research
more
with
the
data,
and
you
know
we
made
it
official
by
putting
it
in
in
writing
on
the
law
books,
so
residents
understood
very
clearly
what
they
could
and
could
not
do.
G
And
you
know
what
what
this
motion
is
is
to
instruct
staff
to
you
know,
do
their
due
diligence
come
back
with.
You
know
more
of
the
data
to
support
or
or
to
to
not
support
it
to
to
paint
a
clear
picture
of
of
what
action
we're
taking
here
and
I
would
encourage
us
to
seek
that.
Information
which
is
is
perfect,
should
perfectly
be
in
alignment
with
with
our
goals.
B
G
Then
the
point
of
personal
privilege,
while
the
chair
speaks,
this
cannot
be
a
body
that,
in
the
future,
says
that
they
follow
the
data,
follow
the
science
because
too
many
times
repeatedly
we're
not
listening
to
our
public
health
professionals.
We
are
not
following
the
the
data
we're
not
following
the
science.
We
are
not
understanding
the
clear
harm
that
the
War
on
Drugs
has
played
on
our
community
and
we
are
jeopardizing
the
lives
of
more
and
more
of
our
residents
with
this
and
honestly,
this
is
again.
This
is
this.
Is
the
council
that.
C
E
Didn't
want
to
not
give
you
that
opportunity,
yes,
so
this
is
in
my
ward
and
I
would
like
to
move
forward
with
this
and
make
this
a
reality.
We're
excited
about
this
I
call
for
the
vote.
Excellent.
A
A
X
A
Sure
we
had
lots
of
items
that
people
wanted
moved
up,
but
it's
a
long
meeting,
so
we
will
move
to
if
someone
can
move
hs6
so.
E
A
G
Yes,
generally
I
I
support
this
I'm
excusing
myself
from
this
meeting.
I
am
sure
that
this
has
every
chance
of
passing,
because
wealthy,
mostly
white
folks,
live
on
the
North
side
of
our
town
support
this,
and
this
is
a
status
quo,
Council
that
can
only
take
up
issues
that
that
impact
our
wealthy
Northern
residents.
G
When
it
comes
to
other
groups
of
folks,
we
have
deaf
ears,
we
stand
with
the
status
quo
and
we
cannot
take
action,
and
it
is
disappointing
and
disheartening
that
this
is
not
a
council
that
follows
the
science
unless
it
impacts
the
noise
levels
of
wealthy
folks
on
the
north
side
of
town.
This
pointing.
E
So
I
did
have
an
issue
with
this.
I
wanted
to
look
at
the
time
and
I
did
talk
to
council
member
Revell.
So
when
you're
looking
at
someone
who
works
third
shift,
they're
coming
home
at
seven
in
the
morning
and
they've
got
leaf
blowers
happening.
So
we
did
talk
a
little
and
I.
Let
her
speak
to
any
changes
if
she
was
willing
to
make
and
maybe
not.
F
Well,
just
for
a
little
history
before
we
amended
the
leaf
blower
ordinance
to
set
up
a
deadline
for
a
ban
on
gas
powered
leaf
blowers.
The
hours
for
permitted
use
for
leaf
blowers
were
Monday
to
Friday,
7
A.M
to
9
p.m,
and
Saturday
Sunday
and
holidays
9
A.M
to
5
p.m.
So
then,
basically
during
the
council
discussion
with
kind
of
no
preparation,
the
amendment
was
made
to
make
it
Monday
to
Friday,
starting
at
9
00
A.M,
to
whatever
it
is
4
or
5
p.m.
F
And
in
retrospect,
given
that
we
were
now
going
to
have
quiet,
leaf
blowers
and
give
it,
it
seems
unrealistic
to
for
the
our
landscaping
companies
to
not
be
able
to
start
work
until
9
A.M.
So
my
suggestion
is
that
we
go
back
to
the
hours
that
we
used
to
follow
when
we
used
to
have
noisy
leaf
blowers
and
instead
now
we
would
I
mean
it's.
It's
quite
amazing.
You
walk
down
the
street
and
you
see
a
guy
raking
leaves,
and
you
maybe
hear
a
little
whisper
whisper
noise
of
a
quiet,
leaf.
F
Blower
I
mean
I
I.
Think
it's
really
not
it's
not
the
disrupt
disruptive
issue
that
it
was
not
so
long
ago,
so
I'm
that
I'm,
that
that's
why
I've
recommended
the
basically
reverting
back
to
the
hours
we
used
prior
to
the
amending
the
leaf
blower
ordinance.
A
Okay,
any
more
discussion.
A
See
we
have
none,
can
we
please
take
the
role.
A
A
The
eyes
have
it,
we
will
move
on,
I
can
have
someone
move
hs8.