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A
A
Been
properly
moved
and
seconded
any
questions,
comments
or
edits,
seeing
down
all
those
in
favor
of
passing
the
October
2nd
minutes,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed.
All
right.
I
will
take
citizen
comments
per
item
the
next
order
of
business.
We
have
presentation
from
the
Illinois
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
Labor
Council.
C
My
name
is
Kim
Kea,
Harris
and
I'm,
an
attorney
with
the
Illinois
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
Labor
Council
I
apologize
I.
Think
I
went
too
far.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
make
a
presentation
today.
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
this
opportunity.
We
wanted
to
come
and
just
give
them
a
brief
description
of
what
the
Everson
Police
Department
is
some
our
values
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
had
that.
We
think
that
this
committee
would
find
some
interest
in
I
think
I've
actually
gone
past.
C
C
Again,
I
won't
take
a
lot
of
your
time,
but
I
would
like
to
direct
your
attention
to
the
presentation
pretty
much.
What
we
want
to
say
to
you
is
that
the
Everson
Police
Department
operates
respectfully,
transparent
and
innovative
Police
Department,
and
it
supersedes
most
of
the
departments
in
the
area
now.
The
reason
we
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
is
because
we
think
that
Evanston
is
a
community
that
stands
out.
C
Above
all
the
rest
about
six
and
a
half
years
ago,
I
moved
to
Illinois
from
Tennessee,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
told
is
several
places
and
when
I
was
choosing
places
are
looking
at
places
to
live.
There
were
two
cities
that
always
stood
out
that
was
Evanston
and
Oak.
Park
I
represent
Oak
Park
and
I
now
represent
Everson
as
one
of
their
representatives
and
the
reason.
Why
is
that?
C
Now,
one
of
the
things
that
also
makes
Evanston
stand
out
from
the
rest
is
that
it
is
very
unique
in
its
training
and
is
reviewing
process
and
it's
open
to
all
citizens
and
maintains
a
high
level
of
accountability.
Now,
accountability
is
going
to
be
a
crucial
word
that
we
use
here,
because
that
is
one
of
concerns
that
has
paid
basically
plagued
police
departments
across
the
nation,
how
to
be
accountable,
how
to
be
transparent
and
how
to
be
fair.
Now.
C
One
thing
that
Everson
Police
Department
does
is
that
it
has
police
discipline
review
whenever
a
citizen
files
a
complaint.
There
is
a
review
process
in
place
to
determine
if
there
some
merit
to
that
particular
complaint.
Police
discipline
is
reviewed
by
a
citizen
police
advisory
committee,
as
you
probably
are
aware
of,
and
also
this
particular
committee,
in
addition
to
the
chain
of
command
and
the
Chief
of
Police.
Now,
as
a
attorney
for
the
Fraternal
Order
of
Police
Labor
Council,
we
represent
over
500
police
departments
across
the
state.
This
is
unique.
C
C
The
first
is
the
complaint
register.
This
is
a
will
called
a
CR.
For
short,
the
CR
consists
of
a
citizen
making
a
sworn
complaint
against
an
officer
in
accordance
with
state
law.
What
I've
included
here
is
actually
a
copy
of
the
state
law.
Now
I,
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
but
pretty
much.
This
is
the
law
of
the
land
of
Illinois.
C
If
a
citizen
has
a
complaint
against
a
police
department
or
a
police
officer,
he
or
she
must
come
into
the
station
and
sign
out
a
sworn
affidavit,
one
of
the
most
pertinent
parts
about
it
is,
if
any
part
or
all
of
that
complaint
is
considered
to
be
false,
then
that
citizen
can
be
under
a
review
by
the
state's
attorney
to
determine
if
he
or
she
is
being
up
for
parts
are,
can
be
determined
for
prosecution.
I,
think
I
got
persecution,
I
know,
I
got
prosecution
up
there,
that
is
the
state
law.
C
So
if
you
make
a
complaint
against
the
police
officer,
then
you
have
to
come
and
put
your
name
on
a
dotted
line.
Now
that
does
protect
our
officers
and
it
protects
them
from
any
false
complaint,
but
there's
another
step
that
everything
goes,
that
other
departments
don't
and
that's
a
departmental
inquiry
and
we'll
call
it
a
DI.
For
short,
a
DI
arises
if
a
citizen
calls
in
a
complaint
but
refuses
to
sign
a
sworn
statement,
the
department
still
investigates
the
complaint
to
see
if
it
has
any
merit
again.
This
is
not
done
in
other
communities.
C
Most
departments
rely
on
just
the
CR,
the
C
items-
I'm,
sorry
CR,
so
the
DI
is
uncommon,
because
if
they
partly
route,
lis
receives
a
complaint,
it
doesn't
just
stop.
If
a
citizen
decides
that
he
or
she
does
not
want
to
come
and
put
their
name
on
that
dotted
line.
The
department
takes
the
initiative
to
go
up
and
beyond
and
to
make
sure
that
they
are
indeed
investigating
that
complaint.
C
So
ever
since
a
busy
police
department,
it's
a
big
city,
so
it
has
a
lot
of
different
encounters
with
citizens
and
people
who
come
through
this
jurisdiction.
Just
in
2017,
the
Everson
Police
Department
has
had
over
67,000
police
encounters
them
67,000
and
out
of
all
of
those
contacts,
there
have
only
been
two
CRS
and
for
D
eyes.
Over
67,000
people
have
had
contact
with
the
police
this
year.
C
Added
a
to
one
of
the
two
complaint
registers-
and
this
is
the
dot
information
that
we
were
able
to
get
from
the
police
department.
Added
a
to
complaint
registers.
Ones
was
one
was
deemed
to
be
unfounded
in
a
second,
the
complaint
the
complainant
actually
had
found
that
half
of
the
officers
the
charges
against
him
were
sustained
and
in
the
other
half
the
officers
were
exonerated
now.
What
does
that
mean?
I
want
you
to
look
at
that,
as
over
67,000
people
have
had
contact
with
her
police.
C
Two
people
came
in
or
two
incidents
to
someone
come
in
and
sign
a
sworn
complaint.
One
once
it
was
investigated
was
found
to
not
be
founded
with
any
facts,
but
the
other
actually
was.
That
shows
that
this
process
is
not
a
rubber
stamp.
It's
not
just
something
done
to
say:
okay,
we
looked
at
it
now
we're
just
going
to
we're
going
to
dismiss
it
in
this.
A
Latter
up
to
for
a
moment
only
because
I'm
not
really
clear
where
you're
getting
this
data
from
I
do
think
there
have
been
more
complaints
that
have
been
filed
more
than
the
that
you
are
presenting
in
the
slide.
So
I'll
ask
you,
know
commander
right.
Maybe
we
can,
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
get
some
clarification
on.
You
know
the
data,
what
time
period
she's
looking
at
what
this.
C
Well,
I'm
sure,
commander
Riker
also
answer,
but
I
did
give
my
doctor
my
information
from
him
too.
Also
we
have
the
D
eyes,
which
is
what
I
told
you
earlier
is
when
someone
calls
in
I
have
a
complaint
against
the
police,
but
I
don't
want
to
come
in
and
I,
don't
want
to
sign
anything
against
the
complaint
police
and
in
that
situation
that
that
there
was
found
that
one
of
the
eyes
was
founded
to
be
was
found
to
be
unfounded
to
were
not
sustained
and
in
the
last
case
the
officer
was
exonerated.
C
The
point
that
we're
trying
to
make
here
is
that
Everson
makes
it
a
point
to
investigate
complaints
that
citizens,
despite
whether
or
not
they
feel
like
they
are
brave
enough
or
upset
enough
that
want
to
sign
a
complaint,
but
if
they
call
the
department
it's
taken
seriously,
it
is
not
swept
under
the
rug
and
again
this
is
unique
and
others
from
other
jurisdictions.
This
is
not
something
I've
ever
seen
in
other
jurisdictions
that
the
FOP
represents.
C
Also,
as
you
might
be
aware,
there
is
on
the
website
a
dashboard
that
contains
information
about
citizen
complaints
and
it
gives
the
resolution
of
it.
It's
updated
by
a
non
police
department
employee
again.
That
is
another
point
that
I
want
to
stress
that
this
is
someone
who
is
not
an
employee
of
the
police
department,
but
is
responsible
for
keeping
that
information
updated
to
show
that
to
make
sure
the
transparency
is
still
part
of
the
whole
process.
C
Public
transparency
also
extends
to
the
street
patrols.
Now
we
looked
at
the
numbers
earlier
where
over
67,000
contacts-
and
that
includes
not
just
pedestrian
stops
where
there's
traffic
stops
any
kind
of
contact
there,
that
ever
seen,
police
officer
has
with
the
public,
but
one
thing
is
that
a
contact
card
is
actually
filled
out.
Now,
if
you
look
in
your
package,
it
won't
be
on
the
actually
up
here,
because
I
couldn't
figure
how
to
get
it
on
here.
There
is
a
copy
of
the
contact
card.
C
Now
this
is
an
old
contact
card
has
actually
been
updated
since
that
time,
it's
a
computer-generated
card,
but
it
also
exists
to
allow
supervisors
to
review
all
stops.
So
when
an
officer
has
contact,
then
again
the
supervisor
reviews
that
contact
to
determine
if
there
are
any
issues.
That
is
another
way
that
we
make
sure
that
accountability
is
taken
care
of
next
there's
also
a
pedestrian
stop
data
sheet.
That's
also
included
in
your
package
and
not
up
here.
It
is
completed.
I'm.
Sorry,
you
have
it
I'm.
C
C
Last
there's
also
included
in
your
package.
It's
not
going
to
be
up
here,
an
investigative
stop
receipt
now
this
is
unique.
This
is
given
to
every
star
citizen
who
has
stopped
in
a
pedestrian
stop
and
is
investigated
or
questioned.
There
were
Terry
stop
by
the
police
officer.
Now,
if
you
flip
over
and
I
think
I
included
the
front
in
the
back
in
insulin,
it
includes
information
on
how
the
citizen
can
file
a
complaint.
C
Now
we
want
to
make
it
clear
that
the
patrol
the
Everson
Police
Department,
that
includes
the
sergeant's.
Everyone
completely
supports
the
programs
that
have
been
consistently
put
in
place
here
in
Evanston.
These
are
training
and
there's
a
commitment
to
transparency,
it's
very
hard
to
compare
Everson
to
other
police
departments
because
they're
other
police
departments
that
have
struggled
with
this
issue.
However,
that
has
not
been
the
issue
in
Evanston
because
of
the
process
and
the
procedures
that
have
been
put
in
place.
C
Other
thing
about
police
officers,
just
a
little
synopsis
about
who
they
are.
They
are
employed,
as
you
know,
public
employees
and
being
public
employees.
They
are
entitled
to
due
process
and
equal
protection
of
the
law,
which
is
under
the
15th
Fifth
Amendment
and
Fourteenth
Amendment
of
the
US
Constitution.
That
simply
means
that
police
officers,
just
like
teachers
and
firefighters,
have
a
property
interest
in
their
jobs.
What
does
that
mean?
C
That
means
that,
if
they,
if
their
job,
if
they're
to
be
terminated,
they
cannot
just
be
terminated
without
due
process,
they
have
to
have
an
opportunity
to
be
presented
those
charges
and
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
those
charges.
Therefore,
it
is
incumbent
on
an
employer
and,
as
a
union
attorney
I
can
tell
you.
This
is
very
important
that
the
they
ensure
that
they
have
evidence
and
proof
to
support
any
counter
charges.
C
So
it
means
that
the
evident
Police
Department
must
only
charge
a
police
officer
with
violations
of
their
rules
and
regulations
that
it
can
support
with
evidence
simple.
It
also
means
a
charge
in
an
officer
with
a
non
sustained
allegation,
something
that
they
do
not
have
evidence
for
can
possibly
violate
the
police
officers
constitutional
rights.
C
So
how
does
the
police
department
balance
a
police
officer's
constitutional
rights
to
due
process
and
a
citizen's
right
to
be
free
from
harassment,
and
that's
the
process
that
we
just
discussed
the
complaint
register
and
a
department
inquiry
they're
in
place
so
that
citizens
have
recourse
while
at
the
same
time,
the
officer's
actions
can
be
judged
fairly.
The
Evanston
police
of
Department
prides
itself
on
its
motto
of
courtesy
and
service.
C
Now
I
took
this
directly
from
the
website.
He
said
you
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
with
this,
but
this
is
a
quote
from
chief
editing.
New
HR
fault
describes
the
Everson
Police
Department
very
well.
Our
mission
reflects
a
balance
of
tradition,
traditional
and
innovative
policing
methods,
supporting
our
view
that
crime
and
disorder
problems
are
most
successfully
addressed
by
police
working
in
partnership
with
the
community.
Our
programs
and
services
have
been
designed
to
reach
out
connect
and
work
with
the
community.
C
We
have
developed
a
way
of
policing
with
our
community
a
partnership,
one
that
is
uniquely
Evanston's
and
a
key
term
here
is
still
partnership,
because
the
police
department
is
committed
to
being
partners
with
the
community
of
Everson.
They
want
to
make
sure
that
you
are
aware
that
they
are
committed,
that
they
are
behind.
All
of
this.
B
A
E
F
C
F
I,
just
keep
you
to
tell
me.
I've,
never
heard
anybody
talk
about
this
procedure.
The
people
I've
talked
to
who
have
complained
about
being
stopped
on
the
street
have
not
said
that
they've
received
this
receipt,
so
I'm
trying
to
see
if
this
is
new
I
could
steal
a
little
more
information,
but
when
it's
given
out.
G
Good
evening,
chairman
aldermen
Fleming,
the
investigative
staff
receipt
was
part
of
the
state
law
that
was
I,
think
wouldn't
service
two
years
ago,
as
part
of
the
Community
Relations
Act,
that
included
the
body
cameras
and
several
other
things.
Police
departments
in
the
state
of
Illinois
are
mandated,
provide
a
citizen
with
the
receipt
from
their
trip
from
there
usually
pedestrians
that
I.
G
If
we
define
it
as
a
pedestrian
stop,
yes,
there
are
other
times
when
we're
going
to
come
in
contact
with
you.
That
in
our
mind,
it's
not
a
pedestrian
stop.
You
know
hi
how
you
doing
this
afternoon.
You
know
we've
run
into
each
other
in
the
7-eleven
know.
If
we
stop
you
for
a
law
enforcement
reason.
Yes,
so.
F
A
A
If
it's
all
right,
wait!
Okay,
thank
you
all
right!
We'll
move
on
to
items
of
consideration,
age
h1
by
resolution,
96
r17
designating
the
portion
of
custard
Avenue
between
Madison
and
Washington
Street,
with
the
honorary
street
name
of
Rick
Ferguson
way
he's
not
there.
A
F
A
F
Agh
resolution
97
R
17,
designating
the
portion
of
whole
terrace
between
you,
Ridge
Avenue
and
Barton
Avenue,
with
honorary
street
sign
for
steve
perkins
way.
The
parks
and
recs
board
recommends
approval
of
this
application
submitted
by
autumn.
A
rainy
does
that
designate
a
portion
of
whole
terrace
between
Ridge
and
Barton,
with
honorary
street
signs
steve
perkins
way.
This
is
for
action,
sir.
B
A
H
So
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Human
Services
Committee
approve
ordinance
one
for
1-0
to
have
17
amending
the
definition
of
food
establishment
in
Section
8
6
2
of
the
Evanston
City
Code.
This
action
will
align
the
city
code
to
the
state
amendment
of
the
food
handling
regulation
enforcement
act
and
it
would
be
effective,
January,
1st
2018,
and
this
is
for
action,
I
guess.
Second,
okay,
it's.
I
Good
day
honorable
members
of
the
Human
Services
Committee,
it's
pretty
much
a
state
mandate
that
disallows
us
from
the
regulation
of
inspecting
what
they
consider
private
kitchens
for
years,
we've
been
inspecting
disorders
and
the
fraternities
at
North,
Northwestern
University.
So
with
this
mandate
and
this
requirement,
we
are
no
longer
going
to
be
inspecting
them.
So
we
have
about
25
establishments
that
fall
onto
the
under
this
category
that
we're
not
going
to
be
inspecting.
So
that's
pretty
much
all.
It
means.
H
I
Actually,
we'll
be
sending
a
notice
out
to
let
them
know
about
the
state
mandate.
I'm,
not
sure
they
are
aware
of
the
state
mandate,
but
we
will
ensure
that,
but
typically
we
aren't
the
only
inspection
agency
so
to
speak.
That
inspects
the
facility.
Sometimes
you
do
have
private
companies
who,
in
conjunction
with
our
inspections,
inspect
those
facilities
as
well.
B
F
A
B
J
That's
all
right,
good
evening,
everyone
I'm
Dan
Joseph
of
15:10
Greenwood
in
Evanston,
and
one
address
some
confusion
about
this
ordinance.
It
looks
like
it
only
applies
to
animal
drawn
carriages
which
doesn't,
which
means
people
come
using.
An
animal
without
a
carriage
is
permitted.
So
if
Mary
and
Joseph
came
into
the
little
town
of
Evanston
sitting
on
their
whoops
donkey,
that's
permissible
or
Maharaja,
not
his
elephant
or
the
Lone
Ranger
and
silver.
Those
are
still
permitted.
J
Also,
certain
streets
in
Evanston
are
controlled
by
the
state
and
they're
the
ones
that
make
decision
of
who
or
what
can
use
it,
such
as
Sheridan
between
South,
Boulevard
and
Chicago
City
Limits.
It's
a
city
of
Evanston
was
stymied
about
trying
to
reduce
the
speed
limit
on
that
stretch
of
Sheridan,
because
it's
controlled
by
the
state.
J
K
Mr.
chair
aldermen
revelled
members
of
the
committee
good
evening,
this
is
me,
so
we
received
an
email
from
a
resident
at
the
end
of
October,
who
witnessed
a
horse-drawn
carriage
at
maple
in
church
at
11
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
Saturday
October
28th
and
was
very
concerned
felt
that
the
animal
was
endangered
in
the
traffic
wanted
to
know
why
if
this
was
prohibited
or
allowed,
what
was
what
was
the
reason
for
that?
If
I
may?
Mr.
K
chairman,
you
just
read
a
little
bit
from
the
email,
it's
from
a
resident,
Laura,
Matt,
SiC,
ma
T
is
ek
on
the
1600
block
of
Church
Street,
asking
that
you
please
prohibit
any
horse
carriage
rides
in
our
beautiful
city.
Evanston
is
known
for
its
fun
and
family
atmosphere
and
piles
of
manure
horse
carriages
being
carry
given
will
make
it
less
desirable.
Many
larger
cities
are
working
on
legislation
to
ban
this
outdated
and
unnecessary
form
of
transportation.
K
Many
accidents
have
occurred
and
in
our
already
crowded
streets
with
pedestrians,
cyclists
and
vehicles,
it's
not
wise
to
add
to
it
so
I
received
the
email.
Looked
in
the
code
consulted
with
the
law
department
found
that
there
was
not
a
specific
prohibition
that
if
we
connected
a
couple
different
ordinances,
perhaps
we
could
write
a
ticket
but
felt
that
if
this
was
something
that
was
against
the
community
standard-
and
my
sense
was
that
it
likely
was
that
it
was
made
sense
to
move
forward
and
put
forward
this
ordinance,
I.
K
Think
in
my
discussions
with
autumn
Braithwaite
earlier
today,
you
know
there
may
be
some
options
that
the
the
council
may
wish
to
consider.
Are
there
are
there
special
event,
opportunities
where
this
would
be
appropriate?
Should
this
be
licensed?
Would
there
then
be
a
prohibition
outside
a
they
have
an
appropriate
license?
I,
don't
know
that
I've
ever
seen
other
than
a
special
event,
a
parade
such
not
a
horse-drawn
carriage.
It's
unclear
why
this
this
happened
this
particular
weekend.
So
that's
why
we're
here
this
evening,
Alden
Fleming
I'm.
F
Fine
supporting
this,
however,
given
his
comments,
how
would
we
deal
with
what
can
we
add
in
someone
who
just
wants
to
ride
their
horse?
It
probably
is
not
gonna
happen,
but
maybe,
while
we're
at
it,
if
this
is
an
ordinance
that
could
suit
that
kid,
we
just
add
in
you're
not
allowed
to
ride
your
horse
down
the
street
and.
K
K
F
L
Can
certainly
inquire
and
look
into
adding
your
concern
regarding
of
the
ohm,
the
the
explicit
language
prohibiting
of
a
person
from
riding
a
horse,
if
that's
what
you're
looking
at
but
I
would
eat
that
would
need
to
do
some
more
due
diligence
on
that
I
think
so.
K
A
Give
us
an
opportunity
to
delivery
tomorrow.
Yeah
can
I
add
a
few
additional
provisions,
because
I
know
that
there
are
some
schools
that
will
have
horses
that
are
pulling
riding
kids
around
in
an
organized
circle
and
I.
Think
if
the
other
thing
is
that
I
would
suggest
is
if
someone
wanted
to
be
an
exception
to
the
parades
or
public
celebrations
that
maybe
we
can
listen
to
those
situations
in
our
special
events
committee.
Thank
you
and.
K
I
think
private
property
is
another
matter
entirely
and
I
think
and
perhaps
mr.
Ford,
when
we
come
back
to
the
council,
we
can,
at
least
in
the
narrative
with
the
staff
report,
talk
about
what
provisions
we
have
for
animals
on
private
property,
I'm
thinking,
circuses,
other
other
types
of
special
events
involving
animals.
I
think
the
code
does
address
that,
and
so
we
can
add
that
in
as
well
to
start
over
again,
if
the
kind
of
compare
was
it
forward.
Yes,.
A
M
Good
evening,
I'm
Betty
Landis
I
was
here
for
another
matter,
but
I
thought
I
would
let
you
know
as
a
person
who
formerly
served
a
church
here
in
Evanston
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
It
was
the
bride's
wish
that
the
drôme
honored
by
bringing
a
horse-drawn
carriage
to
receive
the
couple
as
they
came
out
of
the
church,
so
I
think
there
might
be
some
ways
that
you
might
want
to
think
about
this
and
not
make
it
too
hard
on
things
that
aren't
necessarily
a
parade
or
a
special
public
event
or.
A
K
A
F
Re,
the
human,
the
housing
homelessness
and
Human
Relations
Commission
and
staff
recommend
their
approval
by
the
Human
Services
Committee
for
the
2017
emergency
solutions,
grant
allocation
sterling,
101,
sorry,
144,
300,
$34,000,
going
to
connections
for
the
homeless
and
the
YWCA
Evanston
North
Shore.
This
is
for
action.
D
H
Staff
recommends
that
City
Council
authorized
a
city
manager
to
renew
the
service
provider
agreement
between
presidents,
behavioral
health
and
the
city
of
Evanston
for
the
provision
of
24-hour
crisis
line,
access,
mental
health
crisis
intervention
and
various
community
outreach
and
educational
services
at
a
cost
of
one
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
dollars
agreement
to
be
dated.
January
1st
2018
to
December
31st
2018,
move
approval.
F
D
F
A
I
Good
again
in
2017,
we
actually
hired
a
clinician
at
the
public
library,
our
for
the
mental
health
intervention
and
outreach
and
education
pretty
much
the
other
staff
that
you
mentioned,
which
is
a
point
five
full
time.
Employee
is
actually
an
employee
in
presence
who
deals
with
the
24
hour
crisis
line.
Okay,
so
that's
where
all.
A
F
B
A
So
then
the
the
motion
should
read
that
we
will
accept
the
proposed
states
and
cancel
January
where,
as
January
our
January
meeting,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
motion
carries
we'll
keep
moving
all
right.
We
have
several
items
for
discussion,
hh8,
police,
workforce
plan
who's
got
that
DC.
Thank
you.
N
Oh
good
evening,
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
James
Pickett,
deputy
chief
with
the
police
department,
we
only
have
two
updates
and
actually
a
third
one
if
you
direct
your
attention
to
item
four
Cook
County
Sheriff's,
Department
crisis
intervention,
team
training.
As
of
the
last
meeting,
we
had
17
officers
that
have
attended,
and
this
month
we
have
two
officers
that
are
scheduled
to
attend.
So
the
next
meeting
I'll
have
another
update
item
number
five:
the
continued
training
offered
by
dr.
Logan.
We
did
have
our
second
town-hall
meeting
on
November
9th.
N
The
topic
was
gangs
and
drugs
and
unsolved
homicides,
and
that
did
go
on
this
schedule
and
the
third
one
is
not
only
a
packet
but
I
know
you
guys
were
used
to
seeing
a
rotation
of
deputy
chiefs
coming
to
the
meeting,
but
in
2018
I
will
be
the
liaison,
so
I'll
be
at
every
HSC
meeting,
with
the
exception
of
vacation.
So
that's
it.
N
F
N
N
F
N
A
N
N
A
N
A
N
N
N
O
Good
evening,
chair
and
committee
members,
Rob
Beatty
here
again
I'm
the
dad
of
Ian
Beatty.
He
was
arrested
in
July
the
14th
of
this
year
for
being
downtown
with
a
group
of
kids
who
happen
to
be
african-american,
and
we
still
have
a
problem.
One
of
the
problems
that
we
have
that
I
think
we
really
need
to
solve
is
that
we
have
business
owners
who
called
in
who
are
taken
care
of
by
the
police
as
well
as
well
as
the
citizens.
O
O
But
my
kid
went
downtown
he's
not
afraid
to
go
downtown.
He
he
went
downtown
last
week.
He
just
went
with
some
white
friends,
so
I
do
want
that.
That
known
he's
got
friends
on
on
all
different
sides.
He
went
downtown
with
his
buddy
Jimmy
and
Nolan,
who
happened
to
be
white
and
I
was
thinking
about
that.
O
As
a
dad
and
I
was
going
well,
he's
probably
safe
if
he
did
something
downtown
with
those
guys,
they'll
probably
get
a
call
home,
so
I
do
I
do
want
that
to
be
pointing
here,
I'm
appreciative
of
those
who
have
stood
with
my
family,
because
this
is
hard.
This
is
hard
for
a
town
that
truly
cares
about
diversity
and
equity
and
and
not
just
talking
to
the
game.
O
We
are
trying
to
make
some
strides
as
a
town,
but
this
is
hard
as
I'm
a
I'm,
a
police
alumni
citizens,
police
alumni
I
was
a
board
member,
but
I'm
an
Alumni
Association
member
I
love
our
police,
but
chief,
you
got
this
one
wrong.
Okay,
it
was
a
simple
apology
that
should
have
happened
and
it
didn't.
We
got
a
letter
of
regret
from
the
city
manager
I'm
grateful
for
that,
because
he
was
the
one
of
the
few
people
who
act
like
he
had
some
sense
I'm
still
waiting
on
something
from
the
mayor.
O
Who
was
the
first
person
that
I
told
I'm
also
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
not
only
the
police
chief
and
the
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
from
them
on
what
will
happen?
Would
reconciliation
with
my
son
with
the
police,
since
they
did
everything
right
what
happens
going
forward?
You
remember
Obama
and
professor
gates
and
him
getting
arrested
getting
in
his
house
and
Obama
said
well
and
the
the
white
policeman
who
arrested
him,
and
he
said,
let's
have
a
beer
I
thought.
O
That
was
a
good
gesture,
well
we're
here
in
Evanston
how
about
those
officers-
and
this
is
what
I
offered
to
the
chief
and
to
the
city
manager.
I
said
how
about
those
officers
sitting
down
with
my
son
for
soda
pop?
Well,
not
a
soda
pop
because
he
doesn't
drink
pop,
but
maybe
some
other
beverage
and
sit
down
with
my
sons
and
say:
hey.
You
know
what
that
was
a
tough
day
on
us.
You
know
we
didn't.
We
didn't
do
the
right
thing!
Cuz,
he
hadn't
admitted
he
didn't
do
the
right
thing.
O
He
was
downtown
just
hanging,
that's
all
he
was
doing
and
he
was
on
the
back
of
a
bike.
The
bike
infraction
the
bike
infraction
was
not
an
arrest
of
all
offense.
It
was
not
a
rest
of
offense
and
I
want
to
make
sure
for
those
who
are
on
the
CPAC
committee
and
those
who
are
on
the
the
committee
here
know
that
they
got
it
wrong.
It's
okay
to
say,
you're,
sorry,
I
did
not
sue
I,
really
don't
have
the
money
to
sue
and
it's
a
waste
of
time.
O
It's
a
waste
of
time.
It
was
a
waste
of
time
what
they
were
doing
that
day
with
the
kids
I
said.
The
first
thing
that
came
to
my
mind
was:
we
need
the
youth
folks
who
who
have
been
trained
and
Kingi
in
theory.
We
need
them
dealing
with
our
young
people
and
that's
what
should
have
happened
and
that
didn't
happen.
O
O
Who
I
see
every
day
we
got
this
one
wrong.
I'll
say
that
until
I
leave
Evanston,
we
got
this
wrong
and
it's
okay
to
get
things
wrong.
I
get
wrong.
I
get
things
wrong
as
a
parent
and
I
have
to
say
I'm,
sorry
to
my
son,
but
I
have
to
stand
up
today
and
let
you
know
that
I'm
still
grateful
to
live
in
this
city.
I
think
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
hope,
because
there
are
some
changes
that
have
come
along
along
the
way,
but
I
was
still
like
for
those
officers
to
reach
out
now.
O
No,
if
that's
the
mayor
or
maybe
that's
the
chair
of
the
Human,
Services,
Department
or
I,
don't
know
who
has
the
power
in
the
town
maybe
and
Rainey
she's.
She
sees
a.
She
sees
quite
something
and
I
appreciate
her
she's,
my
alderman
and
she
ruffles
some
feathers
and
got
some
things
moving,
so
I'm
very
grateful
for
her
as
well,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I
had
to
have
my
piece
and
say
my
piece
for
my
family
I'm
appreciative
of
our
community
for
standing
up
standing
with
me.
O
O
You
should
want
to
do
something
anyway.
I
want
my
son's
record
expunged.
This
should
be
burned.
I'm,
going
to
have
a
little
ceremony
and
I
invite
everyone
to
do
that,
but
going
forward.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
this
never
happens
again.
We
need
to
really
ensure
that
our
children,
all
of
our
children,
are
safe,
downtown
to
roam
around
and
be
goofy,
which
is
all
that
they
were
doing
and
they
never
should
have
been
arrested.
J
F
Right
right
so
and
now
we're
gonna
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
later
or
a
report
on
it,
but
on
page
number
three
of
the
report,
the
complaint
and
express
that
he
thought
the
outcome
would
be
different
at
the
juvenile
for
white,
and
he
just
mentioned
that
in
his
comments
as
well.
Why
wasn't
rule
number
74,
which
is
the
rule,
has
to
do
it?
Discrimination
listed
here,
I'm.
F
E
F
So
it
wasn't
in
the
initial
complaint,
so
it's
not
listed
okay
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
sorry
I'm.
Looking
at
my
pages
here,
I
know
there
was
we've
done
some
digesting
of
our
paperwork
because
it
says
in
here
that
they
were.
They
brought
the
young
man
in
and
then
there
was
a
paperwork
error
which
are
you
unpacking
the
bottom.
F
So
exactly
what
is
that
update
that
we've
done
because
I
think
there's
two
different
things
when
I
listen
to
people
in
the
community?
There's
one
the
fact
that
a
gentleman
was
a
young
man
was
brought
into
the
police
station,
which
anyone
would
assume
was
an
arrest,
and
then
there
was
just
other
part
that
dealt
with
the
paperwork
that
was
used
to
I,
guess
process
him.
That's.
E
Correct
I'm,
sorry,
the
if
you
look
at
the
packet
that
was
sent
to
you.
One
of
the
exhibits
that
was
submitted
in
the
CPAC
meeting
was
a
formal
and
informal
station
adjustment
just
by
mail.
Looking
at
at
those
two
forms,
they
look
similar.
What
the
only
difference,
one
of
the
words
is
formal
and
one
is
informal.
So
what
we've
done
now
was
completely
gotten
rid
of
both
of
those
forms
believe
the
there's
one
now
standalone
form
where
you
have
to
actually
mark
formal
or
informal
station
adjustment.
E
So
there
is
no
reaching
up
and
grabbing
our
own
paperwork
or
printing
out
the
wrong
documents
from
the
computer.
The
detective
now
has
to
fist
computerized
check
a
drop
down
for
formal
informal
or,
if
they're,
completing
it
with
a
ink.
They
have
to
actually
check
the
box,
so
it's
clear
which
form
is
being
used.
F
E
F
And
so
for
a
traffic
but
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
what
I
hear
in
the
community
right,
there's
the.
Why
was
he
brought
in
as
why
are
we
bringing
twelve-year-olds
in
the
paperwork?
I
think
is
kind
of
an
afterthought
when
I
speak
to
people
in
the
community,
but
if
I
think
about
a
bicycle
offense,
which
I
think
it
was
like
riding
dangerously
or
whatever
it
was,
and
this
young
man
was
not
pedaling
the
bicycle.
How
do
we
apply
a
code
that
lays
out
what
the
impression
is
to
someone
who
is
not
the
operator
I.
E
E
Imposing
that
specific
violation,
that
was
a
violation
that
they
observed
along
with
several
other
violations,
but
that
was
just
a
violate
and
that
was
attached
to
the
paperwork.
For
instance,
the
investigation
revealed
that
the
officer
involved
and
not
only
knew
that
the
traffic
obstruction
was
a
violation,
but
also
three
individuals
to
a
bicycle
is
a
violation
of
the
city
code.
In
addition
to
disorderly
conduct,
I
think
they
just
chose
the
least
the
least
I
guess
harmful.
F
D
F
E
Absolutely
correct
and
I
think
that's
the
reason
why
the
two
on
scene
officers
works
on
rated,
because
the
investigation
revealed
that
that's
exactly
what
they
wanted
to
do.
However,
when
it
was
transferred
over
to
the
juvenile
Bureau
juvenile
officers,
have
the
authority
to
handle
the
investigation
differently.
E
You
know
document
it
and
in
order
to
document
it
you
figured
you
have
to
attach.
You
know
whatever
infraction
that
was
observed
and,
like
I
said
before,
once
that
infraction
is
attached
to
the
arrest
report
when
it
comes
to
juvenile,
there
has
to
be
given
a
disposition
that
disposition
was
a
disposition.
F
It's
the
only
way
to
document
that
someone
was
brought
to
the
station
writing
up
an
adjustment
even
with
our
new
process.
So
if
you
bring
someone
else
in
for
safety,
it's
the
only
way
to
document
that
I'm
assuming
for
protection
of
the
individual
and
ourselves
to
write
the
station
adjustment.
Do
we
not
have
any
other
kind
of
documentation
record.
E
In
that
regards,
I
can't
think
of
one
right
offhand
where
you
actually,
we
would
actually
be
able
to
utilize
for
documentation
purposes.
I
guess
there
could
have
just
been
an
issue
failed
general
that
had
been
written
or
incident
report
and
documented
that
way.
However,
once
the
juveniles
were
taken
to
the
juvenile
Bureau
and
turned
over
to
the
juvenile
detectives
that
wasn't
the
course
of
action
that
was
taken.
H
E
Mean
you
think
if
you
look
at
the
the
legal
definition
of
arrest
its
you
stop
someone
they
aren't
free
to
go,
and
then,
from
that
point
you
transport
them
from
point
A
to
point
B,
meaning
from
the
scene
to
the
police
station.
That
will
be
the
legal
definition
of
an
arrest
and
I.
Think
that's
the
reason.
The
juvenile
Bureau
chose
to
take
that
course
of
action,
as
opposed
to
just
doing
an
incident
report
and
just
calling
a
family
okay.
H
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
about
whether
there
were
alternatives
at
the
moment
they
were
when
they
were
still
back
on
the
street
and
wanting
to
contact
the
parents,
but
the
Karen.
They
didn't
have
the
phone
number
or
working
cell
phone
to
do
that,
and
there
were
a
couple
of
witnesses
who
basically
said
can
can
I
take
charge
of
these
children.
H
The
one
was
one
said:
one
was
identified
as
a
family
friend
and
the
other
one
was
a
teacher
at
the
middle
school,
and
so
do
we
have
a
policy
about
what
who
could
to
whom
a
juvenile
could
be
released.
If
it's
not
the
parent
is
there
were
there,
wouldn't
any
of
those
have
been
an
option
for
the
police
officers.
I
think.
E
If
the
parents
have
been
spoken
to
wild
on
scene
and
that
could
have
been
an
option
but
per
policy
and
then
I
believe
not
even
both
perved
the
juvenile
court
act.
When
you
come
in
contact
with
the
juvenile,
you
have
to
notify
their
parents
and
their
parents,
the
juveniles
have
to
be
released
to
their
parents
unless
the
parents
give
consent
within
the
Bewley's
to
someone
else,
but
because
there
was
no
contact
with
the
parents.
That
option
wasn't
available
for
releasing
the
juveniles
to
anyone
on
seeing.
A
In
addition
to
that,
there's
some
training
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
brought
up
in
previous
meetings
and
it's
worth
restating
that
we
are
taking
a
very
close
look
at
the
complaint
process.
But
in
addition
to
that
we're
looking
myself
alderman
Fleming
Wilson
in
Ravel,
we
all
serve
along
with
the
chief
and
his
command
staff.
We
have
our
legal
department
represented
and
on
alternatives,
to
arrest
committee
to
make
sure,
as
you
said,
mr.
A
Beatty,
that
something
like
this
doesn't
happen
again
and
our
goal
is
to
give
our
police
the
necessary
tools
to
make
sure
that
our
kids
have
opportunities
outside
of
these
interactions.
So
something
like
this
doesn't
happen
again
and,
more
importantly,
for
the
broader
community
that
they
don't
end
up
with
barriers
to
their
employment
later
on
in
life.
A
F
Commander
right,
sorry,
can
you
again
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
questions
people
in
the
community
have
when
this
initially
happened
and
I
I'm
sorry
this
is
taking
so
long.
But
can
you
explain
and
I
know
the
lawyer
just
did
some
of
this,
but
the
two
officers
who
had
the
sustained
findings?
F
Can
you
explain
a
little
bit
about
I,
guess
I,
don't
say
discipline,
but
how
how,
when
things
are
sustained
with
the
next
step,
is
so
I
know
when
this
four
second
people
were
saying
you
know,
officers
should
be
fired
or
suspended
with
no
pay
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
because
it
was
really
a
lot
of
people
kind
of
agree
just
that
a
twelve-year
was
arrested.
So
why
did
this
not
go
to
that
level
and
I
know
the
answer,
but
if
you
can
explain
it,
that
would
be
great.
E
So
there's
one
make
sure
I
understand
you
correctly.
You
want
me
to
explain
why
it
wasn't
a
more
serious
discipline
involved.
Is
that
there's
a
lot
that
goes?
What?
If
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
this
case,
because
o-p-s
we
don't
impose
discipline,
that's
done
from
first-line
supervisors
up
to
the
chief
of
police.
What
I
can
tell
you
that
when
discipline
is
imposed,
there
was
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
a
place.
The
history,
the
nature
of
the
fence,
was
the
offense
militias
and
things
like
that.
E
The
officers
history
so
there's
a
lot
of
components
that
go
into
place
when
discipline
is
imposed
and
in
this
situation,
I
think
what
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
chief
but
I
think
what
the
department
recognized
was
that
this
wasn't
an
offense.
That
was
where
any
of
the
officers
involved
were
malicious,
but
there
what
the
need!
E
What
was
recognized
was
the
need
for
internal
procedures
to
take
place
meet
in
the
formal
and
informal
station
adjustment,
and
also
training
for
our
juvenile
detectives,
which
is
a
specialty
unit,
so
more
training
for
them,
as
well
as
officers
who
are
encountered
to
involve
juvenile.
So
that
was
what
was
deemed
as
necessary
and
insensitive.
F
E
F
A
I'll
be
funding,
maybe
I
can
help
a
little
bit
so
in
on
the
bottom
of
page
50.
It
states
that
was
sufficient
evidence
to
justify
reasonable
conclusion
of
policy
failure.
So
maybe
the
question
is
what
type
of
discipline
is
given,
if
appropriate,
under
what
the
finding
was,
which
was
policy
failure
if
I,
if
I'm,
reading
that
correct.
G
Mr.
chairman
Alderman
Fleming
I,
there
are
several
factors
to
this
case
that
that
we
need
to
consider
when
we're
looking
at
the
Disciplinary
decision
that
was
made.
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
put
this
into
a
context
because
we're
very
focused
on
oh,
it's
a
bicycle
violation.
Well,
oh
it
is,
but
the
issue
is
the
officers
on
scene
felt.
The
conduct
was
dangerous
enough
that
they
needed
to
intervene,
and
so
that
really
flips
to
a
minor
in
need
of
authoritative
intervention
rather
than
a
bicycle
ticket.
G
Now,
when
the
officers
are
back
at
the
station
writing
this
up,
we
prefer
to
just
leave
it
a
bicycle
ticket
and
call
it
a
day
and
so
being
from
everybody
from
start
to
finish
was
to
extract
these
kids
from
their
continued
unsafe
decks.
Now,
I
will
say
that
the
pile
one
of
the
policies
that
that
I
felt
was
not
well
addressed,
whether
too
many
people
handled
it
and
I
think
that
we
have
taken
steps
to
look
at
those
undertakings
and
ensure
that
we
don't
make
those
mistakes
again
now
in.
G
In
that
context,
there's
been
a
rather
wide-ranging
efforts,
led
primarily
by
sergeant
Gartner,
to
review
all
our
policies
to
increase
the
level
of
training,
have
our
policies
reviewed
by
the
state's
attorney's
office
and
it's
up
to
including
meeting
with
all
the
men
that
express
the
specific
interest
in
this
to
avoid
ways
of
taking
juveniles
into
custody,
if
at
all
possible,
because
that
that's
the
essence
of
what
this
issue
is,
should
we
or
should
we
not
take
children
into
custody
and
women?
Should
we
take
it?
G
So,
as
we
begin
to
refine
that
policy,
our
expectations
will
be
higher
for
the
next
go-round,
but
to
impose
discipline-
and
you
know
if
time
permits
at
another
meeting
or
at
this
meeting,
I
can
delve
into
what
progressive
discipline
is,
how
it
works,
how
it
works
under
union
contract.
All
that
is
a
factor
in
deciding
what
to
do,
but
in
in
this
particular
case,
I.
Think.
One
of
the
things
that
was
most
important
is
the
conduct
in
demeanor
of
the
officers
involved.
I.
G
Think
that
one
of
the
interesting
comments
that
a
whole
investigation
was
one
of
the
civilian
witnesses
on
scene
is
the
officers
continued.
Their
conversation
with
the
juveniles
in
a
conversational
tone,
there's
no
hollering
and
screaming,
there's
there's
no
berating,
there's
no
none
of
that,
and
so
the
officers,
conduct
and
demeanor
was
appropriate
and
in
that
frankly,
is
a
huge
indicator
for
me.
If
we're
acting
out
of
pocket
or
we're
misbehaving,
that's
an
issue
that
didn't
happen
here.
You
know
we're
all
unhappy
with
the
outcome.
G
We're
all
concerned
about
the
ow,
but
but
the
issue
is
what
got
us
there?
How
can
we
reduce
the
number
of
these
contexts
that
result
in
custody
and
once
again,
that
that's
a
citywide
effort?
I
know
mr.
Hemingway
was
here
earlier,
I,
don't
know
if
he's
here
presently,
but
his
reassignment
of
the
youth
outreach
workers,
two
half
days
of
school
downtown
is
a
proactive
step
to
intervene
without
a
police
intervention
and
to
say
hey.
You
know,
let's
conduct
this
kind
of
attention-getting.
G
F
Right,
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
have
another
at
one
of
our
future
meetings.
For
you
to
lay
out
what
the
discipline
is.
I
know
we
have
a
contract.
I
know
there's
some
things
we
can
and
cannot
do
so.
I
would
love
for
you
to
come
back
at
another
time
and
lay
that
out
in
terms
of
progressive
discipline,
yeah.
G
F
G
G
F
G
Q
R
Evening
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee
Lawrence
Hemingway,
director
of
Parks
and
Recreation
and
Community
Services,
mr.
chair
and
committee,
the
Department
has
order
last
few
weeks
or
a
few
months
has
been
working
on
an
alternative
for
transportation
for
our
senior
community,
as
well
as
those
with
disabilities,
as
though,
as
you
know,
or
where
our
current
program
we're
using.
We
use
taxi
coupons
that
the
seniors
purchase
the
city
doesn't
match
for
those
senior
coupons,
but
there
are
limitations
and
through
our
monitoring
and
observation,
we've
of
come
across
some
additional
challenges.
R
So
tonight
we're
going
to
present
to
you
for
your
feedback
and
an
alternative
program
that
we
think
will
better
suit
the
department
and
the
city
as
we
move
forward
once
we
can
get
the
presentation
up
so
I'm,
going
to
invite
our
senior
Ombudsman
miss
Audrey
Thompson
to
the
podium
and
she'll.
Take
the
committee
through
the
presentation.
If.
S
A
S
So,
just
to
give
you
all
a
little
background
for
our
taxi
cab
program.
Currently,
the
user
must
be
a
participant
with
the
Evanston
benefit
card
in
order
to
purchase
taxi
cab
coupons
in
October
1st
of
2016
just
a
little
bit
after
we
revised
the
taxicab
ordinance.
We
made
some
revisions
to
the
program
Kurt
at
that
time.
The
cat,
the
cab
coupons,
were
$3
a
piece
for
one-way
rights,
and
then
they
went
up
to
$4,
but
with
that
additional
dollar
we
increased
the
service
area
to
include
not
only
Evanston
but
Skokie
Wilmette
and
Lincolnwood.
D
S
There
are
some
pros,
of
course,
and
cons
to
using
the
taxi
cab
program.
One
is
that
one
pro
is
that
there's
a
four
dollar
cap,
which
means
no
matter
where
you
go
within
those
four
areas.
It's
only
four
dollars,
no
matter
the
meter
fee.
Also
one
of
the
pros
was
that
we
expanded
the
service
area.
There's
no
technology
required.
You
have
your
paper
coupon
and
that's
all
you
need,
and
then
the
users
are
allowed
ten
rides
or
one-way
rides
per
week,
and
that
was
reduced
from
25
a
week
just
a
couple
of
months
ago.
S
As
far
as
the
cons
there's
only
one
transportation
provider
and
that's
a
taxi
cab
and
then
there's
some
discrimination
by
drivers.
So
a
lot
of
times
when
the
driver
knows
that
the
the
person
has
a
cab
coupon,
they
may
not
show
up
and
then
just
the
treatment,
because
many
of
the
drivers
felt
really
upset
about
the
capped
amount
so
they're
having
to
go
to
three
different
areas
and
that
really
infuriated
some
of
the
drivers.
S
So
we
found
a
lot
of
times
that
these
drivers
would
take
riders
from
Evanston
to
one
of
the
other
three
areas
and
then
would
not
bring
them
back.
So
they
just
wouldn't
pick
them
back
up
and
then,
of
course,
we've
had
increased
complaints
because
of
the
way
that
these
drivers
were
treating
older
adults
and
individuals
with
disabilities
and
also
one
of
the
the
biggest
issues
is
that
even
though
we
expanded
the
service
area,
it
still
did
not
meet
the
needs
of
our
residents
or
our
riders.
A
S
At
this
time
we
refer
them
well,
where
we
were
referring
them
to
Mr
O'sullivan
and
then,
when
his
position
changed,
we
referred
them
to
Katie
Knapp,
who
was
our
transportation
and
mobility
specialist
and
then
she'd
have
to
reach
out
to
the
cab
company,
and
then
the
discipline
took
place
from
there,
so
sometimes
that
the
cab
driver
was
suspended
and
they
were
not
able
to.
You
know,
drive
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
but
with
the
new
taxicab
ordinance,
some
of
the
parameters
that
were
placed
around
being
able
to
I
guess
discipline.
A
S
A
Then
what
is
the
company
doing
on
their
behalf,
I
mean
I
think
it
was
a
year
ago
myself,
when
alleman
Rainey
really
made
a
strong
effort
to
level
the
playing
field
for
our
taxi
craft
drivers.
Just
given
the
fact
with
the
expansion
of
the
rideshare
program,
I
mean
$4,
isn't
a
lot
of
money,
but
it's
better
than
zero,
and
you
just
want
to
make
sure
I
don't
know
if
I
can
speak
on
behalf
the
whole
committee
that
they're
not
taking
advantage
of
our
seniors,
absolutely
so
say.
S
No,
so
something,
and-
and
again
it
really
just
depends
on
the
complaint.
You
know
if
it's
egregious
enough,
where
we
involve
the
police.
We've
right,
you
know,
help
older
adults
to
file
complete.
You
know
the
police
reports
so,
but
but
many
times
it's
a
matter
of
reaching
out
to
the
cab
companies
to
find
out
what
their
recourse
will
be
regarding
discipline
of
their
drivers,
okay
and
and
again.
S
This
is
why
we
really
needed
to
make
this
proposal
to
you
tonight,
because
we
feel
like
there
has
to
be
more
than
than
one
option
for
our
older
adults
if,
if
the
cab
companies
have
a
monopoly
on
you
know,
this
is
the
only
provider,
then
you
know
maybe
they're
they're
not
as
easy
to
make.
Maybe
they'll
change
a
little
bit
and
say:
hey:
we've
got
to
treat
our
older
adults
better
regardless,
but
the
good
part
about
this
and
I'll
get
to
this
later.
S
In
my
presentation,
the
driver
won't
know
if
the
older
adult
is
on
the
taxi
cab
program
or
on
the
transportation
program
based
on
you
know
some
of
the
the
new
proposal
items.
So
hopefully,
this
will
kind
of
curtail
that
then,
okay,
all
right.
So
what
we
know
about
our
current
transportation,
industry
and
Evanston
Reiter's.
S
Share
programs
like
uber
and
lyft,
and
this
doesn't
include
the
tip
and
then
we
talked
about
how
older
adults
may
not
be
able
to
use
uber
lyft,
basically,
basically
because
they
are
not
comfortable.
But
in
that
same
survey,
60%
of
the
respondents
said
that
they
were
ok
with
you
using
uber
and
60
percent
of
the
respondents
were
65
or
above
sure,
in
2014.
We
also
know
that
51%
of
cell
phone
users
are
actually
over
the
age
of
55
and
actually
have
a
smartphone.
S
All
right,
so
what
has
the
last
year
since
our
revision
to
the
ordinance?
What
has
that
taught
us
about
the
way
that
we
subsidize
the
program?
There
were
actually
over
32,000
coupons,
sold
from
October,
1
2016
to
September
30th
and
that's
over
9,000
more
than
the
prior
year.
So
of
course
we
can
see
that
transportation
is
a
huge
need
of
our
older
adults,
but
in
that
amount
there
are
six
hundred
and
seventy
seventy
one
current
users.
So
the
individuals
who
have
the
benefit
card
it's
over
3,000
but
671
actually
used
a
taxicab
program.
S
S
So
if
you
look
at
the
rest,
27
users
purchased
100,
250,
eighty-three
purchased
between
50
and
99,
and
then
the
bulk
of
our
users
only
purchased
about
one
coupon
per
week
and
that's
the
majority
of
the
individuals
using
the
program.
So
then,
in
FY
2017,
if
you
can
look
at
the
price
that
we
paid
twenty
five
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
two
fifty
compared
to
what
we
paid
monthly
in
2016,
it
was
only
thirteen
thousand
seven
nineteen.
S
So
what
must
we
do
to
keep
up
with
transportation,
the
trends
and
the
needs?
We
have
to
find
a
way
to
provide
more
transportation,
which
means
we
need
to
spread
the
transportation
out
past
the
39
people
and
provide
more
transportation
upwards
of
the
entire
671
and
even
more.
If
we
can
spread
it
out,
then
we
can
provide
more
trans
person,
transportation
services
to
more
individuals.
S
We
also
know
there
has
to
be
a
cap
placed
on
the
transportation
services
that
subsidized
by
the
city
of
Evanston
staff
must
be
prepared
also
to
provide
other
transportation
resources,
which
means
that
users
have
to
start
diversifying
what
transportation
resources
they
actually
use.
So
we
have
to
be
pro.
We
have
to
be
prepared
in
order
to
say
hey.
Have
you
tried
benefit
access?
Have
you
tried
using
pace,
payer
transit
and
also
how
to
refer
them
to
those
services?
S
So
our
new
transportation
proposal
is
that
the
user
will
use
what
we
call
a
t4e
transportation
for
evanston
debit
card
and
that
will
pay
for
the
right
instead
of
a
paper
coupon.
The
user
will
also
will
still
have
to
be
a
member
of
the
Evanston
benefit
car,
which
means
they'll
have
to
come
in
and
apply
for
the
services
or
the
card
they
may
load
up
to
$75
per
month
on
to
that
t4e
card,
the
city
will
put
another
75
or
up
to
75,
which
means
a
total
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
per
month.
S
S
So
the
pros
of
our
proposed
program
payment
for
ride
with
a
debit
card
instead
of
a
paper
coupon.
Then
this
of
course
ensures
the
dignity
of
our
writers
that
they
don't
have
to
look
as,
if
they're,
on
a
subsidized
program,
they're
able
to
just
swipe
and
go
also.
It
helps
prevent
isolation
of
older
adults.
Individuals
who
aren't
able
to
get
out
of
their
homes
they're
able
to
do
so
because
they
have
more
options
available.
Also
it
eliminates
discrimination
by
drivers
and
it
reduces
fraud
by
both
the
user
and
driver.
S
Now
we
have
also
identified
you
know
some
fraud
based
on
you
know
use
of
the
program,
but
it
also
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
much
of
the
fraud
was
malicious,
so
I
want
I.
Don't
want
you
to
think
that
we
have
older
adults
out
here,
selling
coupons
because
that's
not
the
case.
You
know
it's
more
fraud
where
they're
using
more
than
one
coupon
to
go
outside
of
the
the
service
area.
So
you
know
when
you
think
about
that.
S
You
say:
oh,
my
god,
the
audacity
of
someone
to
use
it
inappropriately,
but
it's
not
as
if
they
were
going
to
the
casino
I
mean
I've.
Had
older
adults,
I've
had
to
talk
to
about
misuse
of
the
program
simply
because
they
needed
to
go
to
rush
downtown
Chicago,
and
so
they
use
more
than
one
coupon
to
pay
for
the
service.
S
Also
use
of
many
different
transportation
providers
unlimited
service.
Also,
if
the
debit
card
is
lost
within
three
to
five
days,
they
can
get
a
new
card
and
the
amount
is
just
transferred
to
the
new
car.
Whereas
now,
if
you
lose
your
coupons,
they're
lost,
there's
nothing
we
can
do
to
replace
them.
S
We
want
to
do
it
in
two
phases,
so
the
first
phase
will
be
when
current
users
are
notified
of
the
new
program
changes
and
that
will
be
January
22nd
2018,
the
current
users,
which
is
that
675
number,
the
the
folks
that
are
currently
purchasing
cap
coupons,
will
start
exchanging
their
coupons
February
5th,
and
they
can
do
that
at
the
levy.
Center
Monday
through
Friday
8:30
to
5:00.
The
current
users
will
receive
their
debit
card
with
the
exchanged.
S
Coupon
amount
not
to
exceed
75
for
a
total
of
150
will
be
transferred
to
their
actual
cars,
so
they
bring
their
coupons
in
and
we
put
that
amount
on
their
new
debit
cards.
All
other
eligible
benefit
card
holders
will
be
notified
of
the
new
program.
Procedures
of
February,
12,
2018
and
taxicab
coupons
will
no
longer
be
accepted
by
cab
companies
starting
February
16th,
and
we
will
no
longer
change
them
after
February
28.
So
March
1st
should
be
a
full
go
live
date
for
us
we're
no
more
cap
coupons
will
be
used
or
exchanged.
S
Ombudsman
staff
will
visit
all
long-term
care
communities
that
will
include
our
for
subsidised
senior
buildings,
including
the
foster
senior
club,
will
go
to
those
communities
and
start
to
distribute
the
new
cards
and
and
start
the
exchange
process
starting
February
5th.
We've
also
had
some
time
to
talk
this
over
with
the
task
force,
the
age-friendly
Evanston
task
force,
and
they
have
agreed
to
go
with
us
to
these
buildings
and
provide
educational
outreach
to
any
of
the
users,
not
just
to
talk
about
the
new
program
but
to
also
say
hey.
S
A
F
S
Do
not
put
the
meter
well,
they
sometimes
they
put
the
meter
on
which,
of
course,
intimidates
the
older
adult,
because
then
they
use
that
that
amount
to
say
you
see
how
much
you're
paying
that's
a
lot
less
than
what
you're
supposed
to
pay.
So
it
doesn't
include
the
four
dollar
capped
amount
currently
does
not
include
any
of
that.
It's
four
dollars
and
that's
it
so.
F
And
so
is
there
a
way,
I'm
thinking
if
someone's
used
to
having
the
four
dollars
and
they
know
how
far
they
can
go,
that
we
can
help
them
to
understand
if
they're
going
to
Lincolnwood
and
they
have
the
card,
it
might
be.
15
I,
don't
know
what
it
is
but
roaring
so
that
they
can
understand
a
budgeting.
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
budgeting,
but
you
know
they
know
kind
of
what.
F
S
Know
that's
something
that
we
can
look
at
where
older
adults
go
to
on
a
regular
basis
and
really
tell
them
what
the
real
cost
will
be
for
that
now,
but
I
think
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
to
provide
them
with
education
for
other
modes
of
transportation.
That
will
be
less
expensive
than
writing
a
cab.
So
you
know
with
the
cab,
even
though
they
paid
$4,
the
cab
driver
is
expecting
a
tip,
whereas
if
you're
using
uber
or
lyft
those
you
don't
have
to
pay
a
tip.
S
So
in
addition
to
the
it
being
one
and
a
half
times
less
expensive
to
ride
in
you
know
riding
an
uber
or
a
lift.
You
don't
have
to
pay
at
a
10th,
so
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
educate
them
on.
In
addition
to
that,
if
they
qualify
for
the
benefit
access
program,
that's
free,
so
they're
able
to
write.
You
know
the
buses,
so
they
may
have
to
subsidize
some
of
their
writing.
With
writing.
F
S
S
Now
not
many
people
took
the
shuttle,
so
we're
really
just
using
the
the
part
of
the
the
service
that
you
know
once
they
get
their
folks
on
the
bus
at
the
adult
daycare
once
they
get
their
participants
on
the
bus,
then
they're
able
to
use
their
buses
to
provide
the
extra
transportation
for
us.
So
what
we've
done
is
educated
writers
when
you're
calling
to
make
your
doctor's
appointments,
say
I
need
a
ride
at
this
particular
I
need
an
appointment
at
this
particular
time
so
that
the
bus
can
accommodate
them
for
that.
Okay,.
S
It
not
for
cje
now
there
are
many
people
who
take
the
pair
transit
to
go
to
church,
so
it
rides
it's
just
rules,
so
you
have
to
you
know
you
have
to
call
in
advance.
So
it's
not
like
an
uber.
It's
not
like
a
taxi
where
you
call
and
it's
on
demand.
You
have
to
schedule
the
ride,
but
if
you're
wanting
to
go
to
your
place
of
worship,
you
just
know
that
you
have
to
schedule
that
ride
two
days
in
advance.
Okay,.
A
T
You
I'm
Helen
gaggle,
804,
Oakton
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
age
friendly
Evanston
task
force.
Our
chair,
Susan
Turco,
is
here
as
well
as
miss
Thompson,
said
in
her
presentation.
We
are
supporting
this
program
and
we
are
standing
ready
to
help
implement
it
through
education
and
community
outreach.
I
don't
want
to
take
more
time
you've.
Most
of
what
I
have
to
say
has
already
been
said,
but
one
point
when
we
consider
the
transportation
needs
of
older
adults
and
people
with
disabilities.
T
The
focus
is
usually
on
the
practical
getting
to
medical
appointments
going
shopping,
but
there
are
important
social
and
health
benefits
that
have
to
be
part
of
that
equation.
It's
well
documented
that
lack
of
transportation
is
a
major
cause
of
social
isolation.
Anyone's
dealt
with
a
parent
who's
had
to
give
up
the
car.
You
know
what
I'm
talking
about
yeah
and
it's
an
it's
a
public
health
challenge
among
older
adults.
In
the
current
era,
it's
also
a
greater
predictor
of
mortality
than
either
smoking
or
obesity.
T
So
we
commend
the
city
staff
for
designing
a
workable
solution
that
will
give
older
adults
and
people
with
disabilities
a
variety
of
choices
for
transportation,
modes
and
destinations,
and
we
will
support
the
program
through
education
and
community
outreach.
We
think
it's
a
significant
step
forward
in
meeting
Evanston's
transportation,
making
Evanston's
transportation
network
more
age-friendly,
and
we
ask
you
to
endorse
it.
Thank.
A
U
U
This
program
that
she's
bringing
out
and
everything
I'm
glad
she's
not
just
going
to
go
out
to
the
community
together
people
a
chance
to
really
learn
and
know
what.
If
the
program
is
all
about
everything
too
often,
we
don't
have
that.
We
do
really
appreciate
that
I
do
have
a
couple
of
remarks
in
terms
of
mrs.
Harris,
the
young,
the
attorney
with
the
union
and
what
she
were.
A
Since
we
still
have
this
in
front
of
us
respectfully,
can
you
come
back
since
we've
already
think
we
have
one
other
speaker,
they
wanted
to
speak
and
we'll
take
care
of
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
where's.
So
just
a
couple
of
comments
for
staff
and
I
spoke
to
almond
rainey
who's,
currently
chairing
our
AP
and
w
I
love
this
I,
like
the
idea
of
expanding
the
services
for
our
seniors,
to
give
them
more
independence,
as
well
as
expanding
the
the
opportunity
for
them
to
utilize
different
users.
A
The
one
concern
that
I
have
that
I
want
to
address
with
the
owner
of
the
cab
company
is
specifically
what
those
interactions
look
like,
and
what
are
they
doing
about
that
I
mean
I,
see
this
as
something
that
is
going
to
be
incredibly
successful
and
I.
Don't
want
to
slow
the
process,
but
I
do
want
to
shine
a
microscope
and
look
at
those
interactions,
and
the
other
thing
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
I'm
an
uber
user
and
I
the
one
of
the
downsides
about
that.
A
A
If
we
will
see
that
frequency
continued
with
the
uber
and
lyft,
so
I
would
like
to
for
members
of
the
committee
to
refer
this
to
a
P
and
W
start
the
conversation
with
the
cab
company
really
kinda,
examine
and
hear
from
them
some
of
their
complaints
before
we
expand
it
with
is
just
my
thought.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
respond.
R
Mister
chair
will
be
happy
to
you,
know,
call
the
cab
companies
and
to
have
that
dialogue.
You
asked
staff
for
us
to,
you,
know,
go
and
get
the
information
of
the
number
of
complaints
that
we
refer
back
to
them.
So
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
think
we
will
probably
want
to
come
back
to
you
in
January
with
that
information,
but
we
would
like
to
continue
to
work
on
moving
the
current
proposal
forward
in
in
acquiring
the
debit
cards
and
things
of
that
nature
that
we
need
to
do
to
continue
the
program
moving.
A
That
sounds
fine,
Auden,
Rainey
you're
good
with
okay,
wonderful
sorry,
so
we
just
received
a
notice
that
we've
lost
sound
on
Comcast.
So
will
such
a
bad
thing
but
see
that
they
can't
hear
me
anyway,
all
through
of
all
three
channels.
Alright,
so
I
think
staff
is
clear
on
what
we
want
to
do
to
move
forward
without
mhh
ten
we've
had
our
speakers.
Is
there
any
other
additional
direction
to
staff
before
we.
D
A
J
Again,
I'm
Dan
Joseph
for
1510
Greenwood
and
I
ever
questioned
in
a
comment.
I
noticed
on
this
display
slide.
It
said
that
these
transit
benefits
would
be
good
on
Amtrak.
Yet
there's
no
station
within
the
area
that
the
coupons
or
benefits
are
good
and
yet
piece
is
missing
from
the
slide,
so
well-paced
be
good,
an
Amtrak
not
or
we
could
use
an
Amtrak
to
go
to
someplace
in
the
West
Coast
will.
J
Thank
you,
ok
and
the
second
thing.
This
is
wonderful
for
seniors
that
meet
these
qualifications,
but
many
and
evanston
resident,
that's
too
young
for
this
program
and
still
transit
limited
is
totally
isolated
in
parts
of
Evanston
to
kaledin
west
part
of
Evanston
dance
on
Sunday
there's,
whereas
if
we
had
a
Sunday
bus
on
Emerson
and
dodge
to
go
to
the
stop,
the
Howard
McCormick
Shopping
Center
people
that
need
employment
because
they
work
on
Sunday
also
can
get
to
work
six
days
a
week
is
not
enough.
We
need
something
on
Sunday
and
I.
J
S
F
A
B
F
Who
is
officer
commander
right,
I
think
this
is
on
the
website
now.
But
just
can
you
clarify
because
we've
had
this
discussion,
so
we
addressed
the
complaint
and
earlier
the
rule
74
is
she
was
not
listed
because
it
was
not
listed
as
the
initial
interview,
but
if
what
needs
to
go
into
and
I
think
it's
in
the
FOP
packet.
But
what
needs
to
happen
if
I
have
a
complaint
and
I
allege
a
rural
74
violation
so.
E
You
will
need
to
either
a
sign
a
formal
complaint
register
and
weed
investigated
based
on
your
assigned
complaint.
If
you
refuse
to
sign
a
formal
complaint
register
and
you
provided
us
with
enough
information,
we
would
do
an
inquiry
first
and
if
that
inquiry
proved
to
be
have
some
truth,
then
there
are
other
means
of
investigating
it
or
moving
it
forward
it
without
your
assigned
complaint,
meaning
ie,
the
Chief
of
Police
could
be
in
at
the
end.
If
someone
refused
to
come
in
and
sign
for
route,
74
violation
and.
E
A
Garages
to
put
things
in
a
this
comment
is
going
to
be
at
the
end
of
the
process
of
the
citizens.
Review
committee
and
I'd
asked
to
somehow
incorporate
the
rules.
You
know
the
top
ten
rules
that
you've
got
here.
There's
it
relates
to.
You
know:
customer
service
issues,
at
least
for
residents,
to
actually
understand
you
know
that
process
and
then
maybe
we
fold
it
in
I,
don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
to
fold
it
in
with
a
discipline,
but
I
would
be
under
that
part
of
the
Chiefs
statements.
A
Early
I'd
like
to
understand
the
discipline
that
goes
with
the
violation
of
each
of
those
top
ten
rules
program
and
then
is
we
receive
additional
police
complaints
to
have
a
small
little
key.
That
tells
us
what
rules
are
being
violated
because
we're
used
to
seeing
the
rules,
but
to
be
honest,
I
haven't
memorized
what
each
and
every
rule
is
in
just
the
same
way
rule.
Seventy
four
is
spelled
out
as
we
receive
the
police
complaints
to
be
able
to
see
what
those
rules
are.
Okay,.
E
So,
just
so
I
make
sure
I
understand
you
or
these
citizens
police,
the
new
assessment
committee
right.
You
want
the
top
ten
rule
infractions
that
we
violate
and
the
discipline
most
common
discipline
associated.
What
I
like
to
see
that
okay
and
then
for
the
monthly
or
HSC
packets.
You
want
like
a
key
provided,
yes
to
show
you
which
rule
violations
are
more
investigated
and
those
particular
see
ours
are
the
eyes
yep.
Thank
you.
A
J
A
A
P
My
name
is
Priscilla
Giles
and
I
am
speaking
to
the
Human
Services
Committee.
That
I
think
should
be
focusing
on
the
human
side
of
Evanston
and
the
people
and
their
needs.
It
seems
that
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
that
are
just
not
really
the
needs
of
the
people,
the
basic
necessities-
and
this
is
the
committee
that
is
supposed
to
do-
that.
I
would
like
to
see
that
done,
and
it
should
supersede
all
of
the
other
things
the
beauty
can
be
done
if
people
have
the
jobs
and
the
homes.
P
All
of
these
things,
the
Human
Services
need
to
be
addressing
not
the
unnecessary,
maybe
sounds
like
unnecessary,
but
the
beauty
that
people
can
do
with
themself
over
their
own
jobs.
So
that's
really
what
I'm
just
saying
I
like
the
Human
Services
community,
to
focus
on
the
needs
of
the
humans
in
the
city
of
Evanston.
Thank
you
thank.
D
M
Q
Q
Okay,
hello,
everyone,
hello,
everyone
out
there.
If
you
want
okay,
I
wanted
to
just
mention
a
few
things.
I
am
still
upset
because
the
whole
council
did
not
hear
the
fifth
Ward
speakers
October
tonight,
even
though
it's
pass
I'm
still
very
upset
about
it,
and
I
am
letting
off
my
steam
walking
between
Simpson
and
Brown
to
Darrell
and
Simpson.
Q
My
signs
I'm
not
begging
anyone
to
do
that.
I'm
doing
it
myself,
because
I
have
to
handle
Madeline
in
a
certain
way.
I
even
involve
my
children.
This
isn't!
No
luck.
I
involve
my
grandchildren.
They
had
the
audacity
to
ask
me
how
much
money
they
would
get
paid
for
walking
up
and
down
the
sidewalk
I
thought
I
thought
him
very
much
better.
I
thought
I
told
buddy
anyway,
they
did
anyway,
because
I
asked
them.
I
said
I'll,
give
you
some
ice
cream.
Q
Afterwards,
you
have
to
learn
how
to
fight
for
the
things
you
want
in
a
safe
way,
a
way
to
get
through
other
than
standing
on
top
of
a
building
shooting
at
someone
or
shooting
at
each
other.
We
have
to
teach
our
children
and
grandchildren
I'll
leave
that
alone.
The
next
thing
is
the
BOE
I
am
amazed
how
we
don't
have
the
Board
of
Ethics
certain
things
to
deal
with
in
this
town.
Everything
we
put
on
a
complaint,
Michele,
Mason,
I!
Guess
you
too
mr.
Borden
say
it's
not
there
to
deal
with
it.
Q
Q
Molly,
the
lawyer
grant
jennifer
lynn,
so
my
complaints
I
put
in
I'm
just
wondering
if
I'm,
the
only
one
that
is
thinking,
maybe
all
of
you
should
have
voted
to
go
ahead
with
it
because
then
we
wouldn't
know
our
mindset
would
be
there.
I,
don't
know
what
anyone
else
is
thinking.
I
only
can
speak
for
myself,
okay,
but
it
makes
me
wonder
if
we're
going
to
pay
some
money.
That
must
be
some
guilt,
something
there
now
Michelle
Mason
cut
explained
that
to
me
still
don't
understand
it,
because
the
people
out
there
is
still
wondering.
Q
Q
What
I'm
trying
to
tell
this
council
member
is,
you
are
really
gonna
have
to
come
down
to
read,
okay,
because
I
truly
believe
that
local
government
means
a
lot,
especially
now
with
so
much
happening
in
the
world
with
our
government.
We
have
to
learn
to
deal
with
the
people
now.
I
didn't
fill
out
this
paper
here.
That
said
people
up
first
then,
the
city
manager,
council,
members,
City
clay
people.
People
come
first,
so
I'm
saying
that
you
should
have
given
us
a
chance
to
speak.
Okay
now,
one
more
thing.
Q
And
I
I
I,
don't
want
to
say
this
in
a
rude
way,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
what
I
feel
my
gut
feeling
and
maybe
chief
editin,
don't
agree
with
me.
Maybe
the
police
officers
don't
agree
with
me,
but
I'm
telling
you
there's
something
there.
As
I
mentioned
before,
I
observe
at
the
courtrooms
at
Skokie
Court,
a
lot
is
happening
there.
Okay
and
one
of
the
things
I
must
say
and
I
will
be
fast
with
it.
Q
The
gang
expert,
in
my
opinion
and
listening
to
the
people
out
here
talking
the
people
at
the
courthouse
who
this
is
involving
the
Woodson
trial
zadie
both
side,
there
aren't
children
on
this
side,
grandchildren
on
that
side.
That's
the
reason
why
I
went
there.
Eight
days,
I
spent
there
and
I
tried
to
get
the
transcript,
because
I
thought
maybe
I
would
be
wrong.
Okay,
six
thousand
dollars
a
transcript
cause:
okay,
six
thousand
dollars.
Q
One
thousand
four
hundred
pages:
four
thousand
I
can't
afford
it,
because
I
thought
maybe
I
made
some
mistake
because
I
went
out
and
looked
but
theory
theory
is
not
a
fact
to
send
someone
else
out.
Okay
I've
talked
to
the
courthouse
and
so
forth.
Here's
my
thing
as
saying
that
gang
expert
and
my
opinion,
we
had
better
train,
find
another
way
to
deal
with
gang
members
out
here
of
these
young
people
because
it
is
tearing
our
community
apart.
You
hear
what
I'm
saying
it
is
tearing
our
community
apart.