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A
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
human
services
committee
meeting.
This
is
monday,
may
2nd
2016..
It
is
about
602.,
we
have
a
quorum,
and
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
meeting
minutes
of
march
7th
2016..
A
Are
there
any
changes
or
corrections?
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay,
so
we're
moving
on
to
items
for
consideration.
Good
alderman
tendum
is
here
great.
We
have
some
folks
that
are
signed
up.
B
You
might
want
to
let
people
know
that
the
okay
problems
with
the
tv.
A
Okay,
apparently
this
this
there's
a
problem
with
the
tv,
and
so
the
this
is
a
meeting
is
being
shown
on
the
district,
65
and
district
65
is
on
the
city
channel
marty.
Did
you
hear
that?
A
So
the
cable
guy
went
in
yeah
so
apparently
we're
having
a
problem
with
our
meeting
showing
up
on
the
city,
the
district
65
channel,
okay,
yeah,
say
hi
to
aldermen
rainey
hi,
anne
okay.
A
We
have
a
number
of
folks
that
have
signed
up
to
speak.
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
citizen
comment
right
now.
A
So
we
have
some
folks
that
are
signed
up
both
on
the
dog
beach
on
bees
and
on
the
food
truck
ordinance
and
then
another
another
unstated
subject.
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
john
you've
signed
up,
but
your
your
presentation
is
later
and
so
willis
silverthorne
is
going
to
speak
on
the
bees
and
then
we
have
jeffrey.
Is
it
pal
or
pay
pal?
Okay
and
then
nancy
schwartz.
D
Well,
nancy
and
mickey
are
my
neighbors
and
this
issue
kind
of
came
up
relative
to
our
proximity
and
having
a
bee
colony
there,
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
clear
up
a
couple
of
things
that
that
happened
relative
to
this,
because
I
believe,
what's
kind
of
coming
up
here-
is
very
dangerous
to
possibly
eliminating
beekeeping
in
evanston.
Are
you
the
beekeeper?
D
I
am
the
beekeeper
okay
and
we've
my
neighbors
and
I
have
had
several
conversations
and
we
had
actually
a
mediation
where
we
came
up
with
what
I
thought
was
a
very
good
plan.
We
were
going
to
do
one
month
with
the
bee
colony,
present
and
two
months
without
to
see
how
that
would
go.
We
had
an
eight-month
period
where
we
had
the
bees
present
and
there
was
nobody
ever
got.
Stung
bees
were
were
never
a
problem
and
there
were
very
few
bees,
I
believe
in
their
in
their
yard.
D
Now
nancy
has
a
genuine
fear
for
the
bees,
but
I
believe
it's
simply
a
fear.
There's
no
real
nuisance
here,
there's
no
bees
that
are
really
in
their
yard,
and
I
was
constantly
trying
to
prove
it
to
them.
We
have
these.
This
we've
had
several
discussions
even
today,
and
we're
still
trying
to
sort
all
that
out.
But
having
said
all
that
I
verbally
agreed
with
them
to
not
have
the
bees
or
I
moved
this
bee
colony
before
this
issue
ever
came
up.
D
The
bees
have
not
been
in
the
yard
for
over
three
months
and
still
we're
here
for
some
reason:
there's
very
few
bee
colonies
in
evanston,
and
if
we
move
forward
with
a
restriction
for
people
to
start
a
beehive,
I'm
pretty
certain
that
it'll
be
like
other
townships
that
do
the
same,
and
we
will
not
have
a
be
an
urban
beekeeping
presence
at
all,
and
this
township
is
a
leader
and
people
follow
it,
and
if
people
do
this,
I
think
it's
a
real
danger
to
losing
honeybees
in
our
in
our
neighborhoods.
D
Now
I
had
my
best
year
of
gardening.
Last
year,
with
the
bees
present,
I
had
all
these
tomatoes
and
and
peppers
and
all
the
vegetables.
I
did.
We
do
millions
of
dollars
of
that
here
in
evanston,
there's
literally
thousands
of
people
that
are
doing
urban
gardens
and
just
a
few
bee
hives
is
a
big
part
of
having
a
having
that
work
and
be
successful.
It's
it's
a
major
influence
on
the
commerce
here
in
this
city
and
beyond
that
the
actual
nuisance
that
is
supposedly
being
brought
up
is
again.
D
It
never
was
because
of
the
fear
my
neighbors
have,
and
I
don't
believe
it's
justified,
but
it's
irrelevant,
I
feel,
like
I
had
to
do
something
to
make
sure
that
they
were
okay
with
me
doing
it.
So
I
said
until
I
can
convince
you
that
I
can
bring
the
bees
here.
I've
gone
way
out
of
my
way
to
move
my
bee
colony
into
wisconsin
and
it's
a
50-minute
drive
and
it
costs
that
much
time
money
and
effort
to
to
keep
these
bees
and.
D
D
D
E
F
I'm
nancy
schwartz
and,
as
you
know,
I
have
spoken
before
about
my
situation
and
it
is
strictly
a
medical
concern
with
my
lupus
the
reaction
with
the
bee,
stings,
etc.
We've
gone
over
that
before
and
just
in
response
to
one
thing
with
my
neighbor:
we
do
not.
We
did
not
have
a
verbal
agreement,
it
was
something
that
was
not
agreed
to
and
under
the
circumstances.
F
F
You've
worked
on
it
and
for
me
it
means
a
great
deal,
and
I
know
that
alderman
holmes
has
somebody
who
has
lupus
and
understands
the
situation,
so
this
is
not
fear
for
fear
itself
of
a
bee.
This
is
because
it's
a
life
and
death
situation
for
me.
So
thank
you
again.
Thank
you
for
all
that.
You
have
done
thus
far
very
much
appreciated.
A
My
understanding
from
what
mr
silver
thorn
said
was
that
the
bees
are
no
longer
on
his
property.
Is
that
correct
the.
F
A
D
Just
quickly
we
did
have
an
agreement,
but
the
agreement
she
made
the
agreement
we
had
was
is
that
I
would
not
have
a
beehive
present
if
they
will
not
agree
with
it
and
that's
why
I
moved
the
hive.
I
moved
the
hive
until
we
could
feel
better
about
our
situation
and
I
feel
that
neighbors
should
be
able
to
work
these
things
out.
If
you
guys
restrict
us
we're.
Okay,
we're
not
gonna.
Have
bees,
that's
fine!
That's
fine!.
A
G
I
am
a
possible
food
truck
vendor,
so
I
don't
really
know
where
you
are
in
the
in
your
discussions
in
further
food
trucks
right,
but
to
me
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
come
into
chicago,
I
mean
into
evanston
and
set
up
a
business
as
a
small
business
owner
without
having
a
brick
and
mortar
supporter.
A
Thank
you
very
much:
matt
rogers,
matt
and
then
madeline
decree
and
then
michael
schwartz.
H
H
It's
been
10
years,
evanston
with
its
commitment
to
ecology,
the
environmental
principles
that
have
been
adopted
through
various
city
plans
and
the
steps
that
it
has
taken
to
lessen
a
human
footprint
on
the
planet
all
contribute
to
the
fact
that,
in
my
opinion,
evanston
should
be
leading
the
way
in
urban
beekeeping
and,
generally,
I
view
this
as
a
land
use
issue,
not
unlike
many
of
the
special
uses
which
come
before
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
then
are
heard
by
the
council
just
as
restaurants,
breweries
and
other
businesses
generate
noise,
noxious
odors.
H
H
The
biggest
issue
I
have
with
the
ordinance
that's
been
proposed
is
the
ability
for
a
neighbor
to
veto
it
by
doing
nothing.
Special
uses
do
not
give
the
neighbors
veto
authority
once
something
is,
is
granted
a
special
use.
It
is
allowed
to
operate.
There
are
other
measures
for
ensuring
that
it
complies
within
the
ordinance
as
it's
set
out
through
inspection
through
licensing
things
like
that.
H
Many
of
the
problems
that
could
become
apparent
could
have
nothing
to
do
with
beekeeping.
We
on
zba
often
have
had
neighbors
show
up
who
are
complaining
about
someone's
air
conditioning
condenser.
But
when
you
delve
a
little
deeper,
you
can
discover
that
it's
really
because
someone's
dog
keeps
going
on
someone
else's
property.
H
The
other
issue
is
that
a
significant
number
of
neighbors
could
be
involved
in
the
ability
to
grant
permission.
For
example,
in
an
r5
in
which
I
live,
I
would
need
the
annual
approval
of
potentially
80
people
in
order
for
me
to
operate
a
beehive
and
if
any
one
of
those
80
people
did
not
consent.
That
would
not
allow
me
to
do
that
and
the
fact
that
any
of
the
issues
that
are
raised
again
could
be
addressed
through
the
annual
licensing.
H
There
is
a
significant
amount
of
time
and
money
that
is
invested
by
an
atheist,
an
apr,
an
apiarist,
that's
a
hard
word
to
say,
and
I
think
that
that
should
be
considered
just
like
the
city
council
has
granted
hen
coops,
which
are
allowed
to
be
kept
and
are
allowed
a
one-time
screening,
and
then
licensing
is
what
regulates
them.
I
believe
beehives
should
be
treated
similarly,
and
I
am
fine
with
many
of
the
other
changes
that
are
included
in
this
ordinance,
but
I
am
not
in
support
of
the
neighbor
veto
authority.
H
I
Hello,
everyone
good
evening,
my
name
is
madeline
decree.
I
just
want
to
say
in
my
opinion,
the
human
services
is
one
of
the
most
important
committees
here
in
everton.
I
believe,
because
we
can
deal
with
human
beings
face
to
face,
and
hopefully
this
committee
will
help
to
solve
some
of
those
issues.
I
I
I
would
like
also
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
health
issues,
and
maybe
I
would
mention
the
health
issues
first.
I
would
like
this
committee
to
find
out
about
the
planned
parenthood
here
in
evanston
on
abortion,
just
the
data
that
is
given,
because
I
have
some
disturbing
research
that
I
have
done.
I
would
like
to
see
if
it
could
be
broken
down
and
how
that
is
handled
here
in
everson
as
far
as
abortion
planned
parenthood,
and
what
are
we
planning
to
do
to
make
planned
parenthood
better
for
many
people?
I
I
J
J
We
know
it's
important.
There
are
places
in
evanston,
like
put
plots,
are
rented
out
to
people
who
want
to
farm
there's
available
land
here
where
beekeepers
want
to
keep
bees,
they
can
keep
them
the
way
people
do
gardens,
plots
in
the
same
way
east
the
west
side
of
james
park,
for
instance,
there's
rarely
anybody
over
there
isn't
this
something
that
the
city
could
look
into,
and
possibly
setting
aside
a
site
like
that
for
beekeepers
to
keep
bees
and
to
try
and
promote
bees
without
endangering
necessarily
the
neighbor
next
door.
E
Hi
larry
mcmahon
from
531
jetson
talking
about
the
dog
beach
being
very
brief.
This
is
actually
to
be
our
last
dog's
last
summer
to
be
at
the
beach
she's,
not
gonna,
be
around
for
the
next
year.
Okay,
I
realized
mother
nature
kind
of
wiped
out
the
beach,
but
I
need
an
alternative
anyone
soon,
whether
that's
to
go
to
wilmette
dog
beach
there
or
wherever.
So
I'm.
My
only
ask
is,
let
me
know
what
I
can
do
soon,
it's
our
last
summer.
Thank
you.
K
K
Hi,
I'm
pardon
me
a
neighbor
of
the
beekeeper
who
spoke
before
and
essentially
we
were
delighted
last
year
to
have
all
of
those
little
visitors
and
I
looked
it
up
quickly
because
I
am
allergic
to
wasp
and
mud
daubers
and
all
those
other
creepy
things
and
found
that
in
fact,
honeybees
do
not
bite
the
vegetation
that
we
had
was
absolutely
wonderful.
K
My
dog
thought
he
had
a
gazillion
new
friends
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
delighted
by
them,
but
I'm
dismayed
by
the
possibility
that
our
freedoms
are
being
more
and
more
limited
in
that
there
is
an
ordinance
on
the
books
now
and,
as
I
understand
it,
and
I
commiserate
with
nancy
that
if
there
is
a
health
issue
from
a
stinging
insect
that
are
kept,
then
it's
a
situation,
but
if,
in
fact
the
insects
the
honeybees
are
not
stinging,
then
I'm
just
not
really
sure
about
what's
going
on.
Okay,
thank
you.
L
Hi
hi,
thank
you.
I'm
leslie
shad,
I'm
involved
in
organizing
natural
habitat
evanston,
which
is
working
with
the
city
and
community
to
create
habitat
for
pollinators
and
for
birds
in
evanston
and
we're
trying
to
certify
the
city
of
evanston
as
a
habitat
community
habitat
for
pollinators
and
birds.
So
I
just
want
to
be
sort
of
clear
that
I
mean
I
don't.
I
have
all
respect
for
people
who
have
allergies
and
concerns,
and
I
am
a
beekeeper
in
indiana,
but
I
don't
believe
this
is
a
question
of
allergies.
L
I
think
this
is
in
reality.
In
reality,
the
regulations
do
protect
health,
and
you
know
when
new
renters
moved
in
or
new
homeowners
move
in
they're
they're
exposed
to
the
same
thing,
and
this
is
only
an
annual
renewal,
so
in
reality
there's
a
disconnect
there.
In
any
case,
and
and
also
our
nuisance
regulations
in
fact
protect
health
you'd.
Have
you
know
what
would
normally
happen
if
you
do
have?
I
realize
this
didn't
happen
in
this
situation
this.
L
This
is
a
single
instance
that
was
a
bit
of
a
breakdown,
but-
and
normally
you
know,
you'd
give
notice
that
the
bees
have
to
move
and
that
the
beekeeper
would
either
move
them
or
what
just
comes
in
you
put
soapy
water
on
the
open
hive
or
get
a
beekeeper
open
hive
you
put
soapy
water
in.
It
is
incredibly
easy
to
kill
bees.
That's
the
part
of
the
problem.
L
Okay,
so,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
mention-
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
the
staff
and
and
but
I
had
some,
you
know,
reservations
about
the
memo
and
the
only
one
I
want
to
mention
is
it
said
that
it
is
common
best
practice
for
urban
beekeeping
to
request
these
written
approvals.
So
I
looked
at
the
ordinances
of
new
york
city,
los
angeles,
which
was
passed
only
in
october
of
last
year
after
intense
review
and
debate
chicago
san,
diego
and
des
moines.
L
Not
a
single
one
requires
any
approval
of
neighbors,
whether
it's
written
or
oral
and
skokie,
I
believe,
is
the
one
we're
thinking
about,
and
skokie
in
fact
does
not
require
neighbor
consents
on
renewals
and
that's
probably
because
it's
very
disruptive
and
difficult
to
move
your
hive
after
you
have
established
it.
So
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
think
the
question
for
the
city
should
be
what
the
what
the
vision
for
the
city
is.
Evanston
is
trying
to
encourage
pollinators,
we're
trying
to
grow
local
food
and
small
business
around
local
food.
L
You
know,
there's
also
I
mean
we're
talking
about
economic
opportunity
and
having
local
honey
in
the
fifth
ward
would
not
be
a
terrible
idea.
The
chicago
beekeeping
ordinance
says
that
urban
agriculture
provides
talking
about.
Beekeeping
provides
a
proven
tool
for
improving
the
city's
quality
of
life.
So
anyway,
the
question
is
how
best
to
educate
people.
If
people
are
asked
to
provide
written
approval
about
bees
that,
before
they've
even
lived
with
them,
say
people
don't
like
bugs.
L
Bees
are
scary,
honeybees,
look
like
yellow
jackets
and
they
just
won't
approve
it
and
one
person
in
an
urban
environment.
You
know
there
are
urban
beekeepings
in
the
beekeeping.
In
these
big
cities,
having
one
person
not
approve
is
is
problematic
already,
there's
a
chill
on
beekeeping
in
evanston.
I
don't
do
this
here,
because
people
use
too
many
pesticides.
They
don't
like
bugs.
My
neighbors
might
approve
it,
but
you
know
who
knows
what
they
would?
You
know,
opinions
change,
so
it's
difficult.
L
So
I
don't
do
it
here,
but
I
think
you
need
to
be
encouraging
more
people
to
keep
bees
in
evanston.
I
mean
another
issues.
Are
pesticides
actually
here
so
anyway.
I
think
you
know
that
that's
the
end
of
me,
you
know,
thank
you.
So
much.
A
M
Thank
you,
martha
rudy.
I
just
was
asked
to
come
tonight
by
my
colleagues
on
the
first
night
evanston
board
regarding
the
food
truck
ordinance
and
just
to
encourage
all
of
you
to
make
it
as
friendly
as
possible.
The
fee
we
tr
we've
tried
to
have
food
trucks
on
new
year's
eve,
the
last
few
years
and
the
fee
has
posed
an
issue
with
some
of
the
food
trucks,
because
they,
by
the
time
they
pay
the
fee,
pay
their
staff.
M
They
have
to
do
a
certain
amount
of
business
which,
depending
you
know,
if
it's
weather
dependent,
sometimes
they
don't
have
the
exact
crowds.
But
then
the
people
who
are
looking
for
food
don't
have
it
so
we'd
really
like
to
have
the
most
friendly
policy
as
possible,
and
that's
just
our
our
new
year's
eve
wish
anyway.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
martha
and
we're
ending
public
comment
there.
So
the
items
for
consideration
the
first
one
is
hh1.
The
police
complaints,
reviews
staff
recommends
acceptance
of
the
evanston
police
department
complaint
reviews
from
march
2016..
Q
Have
a
couple
questions
regarding
this
is
the
first
di
number
15-18.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
and
if
you
can't
can
just
get
back
to
us
the
next
meeting.
Regarding
these
questions,
I
have
without
sure
so.
Q
My
first
question
is
okay,
so
the
the
individual
in
the
complaint
said
that,
or
that
actually
says
here,
the
accused
officer,
one
discovered
that
a
vehicle
he
detained
for
two
minor
traffic
violations.
Do
you
know
what
those
violations
were.
Q
That'd
be
great
and
then
also
with
that,
what
what
precipitated
the
search
it
says
here
contain
a
felony
amount
of
cannabis,
so
I
don't
understand
how
we
went
from
two
minor
traffic
instances
to
a
search
that
found
cannabis
in
that
regard.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
information
on
that
by
any
chance.
R
No,
no,
I
don't
want
to
speak
from
memory
I'll
show.
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
research
it
and
I'll
get
that
information
back
to
you.
Okay,.
Q
R
That'll
be
30
grams
or
more
30.
Q
Q
I
think
our
ordinances
not
vague
in
the
sense,
but
we
allow
discretion
to
have
citations
for
more
than
10,
but
those
citations
have
to
go
to
they're,
not
here
in
our
administrative
hearings,
department
they're
actually
heard
in
skokie.
So
I'm
wondering
what's
the
upper
limit
of
how
we
enforce
that
10
grams
or
more
distinction,
because
again.
Q
I
want
to
give
some
discretion
officers
for
the
the
you
know
to
enforce
other
crimes,
for
example.
So
you
know
if
a
gun
was
founded
at
the
same
time
like
much
like
we've
seen
recently
in
the
news
to
bring
us
more
serious
charge
for
cannabis
in
relation
to
that
gun
is
appropriate
in
my
mind
and
with
indiscretion,
but
to
actually
have
a
traffic
stop
lead
to
felony.
Arrests
is
troubling
in
my
mind
as
well.
So
if
you
can
get
that
back
to
me,
we
can
next
meeting
that
creator
sent
it
to
me
before.
R
Q
T
S
Thank
you,
sir.
Just
to
follow
up
to
alderman
miller's
question.
I
had
requested
the
last
meeting
when
you
gave
the
cannabis
citation
report.
The
report
be
I'd
like
to
receive
a
copy
or
sentence
to
the
committee
broken
down
by
race,
age
and
also
ward
right.
Okay,
so
I
haven't
seen
that
yet.
R
A
Okay,
no
other
comments,
then
okay,
we've
got
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
say
aye.
Any
opposed.
Okay
motion
passes
moving
on
to
hh2,
which
is
ordinance
46016
amending
the
city
code,
title
9,
chapter
4,
sections,
19
and
20
beekeeping
to
include
a
requirement
for
notice
and
consent
from
adjacent
neighbors.
A
It's
the
recommendation
for
all
persons
or
entities
that
are
residential
landowners,
residential
renters
or
business
owners
and
or
business
occupants
with
properties
that
share
property
lines
with
the
property
for
which
the
applicant
seeks
the
beekeeping
license
to
give
written
consent,
and
that's
for
action.
Is
there
a
motion.
A
B
A
Okay:
okay,
okay,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
alderman
miller.
Q
So
again,
I
thought
a
lot
about
this
and,
with
all
respect
to
the
shorts
is,
I
think
the
process
that
is
proposed
here
just
isn't
conducive
to
actually
keeping
beekeeping
in
evanston.
I
actually
agree
with
what
mr
rogers
said
in
the
sense
of
this
kind
of
lets,
one
resident
to
either
veto
outright
or
actually
by
veto
by
ignoring
the
need
to
fill
out
this
form,
I
would
rather
have
us,
I
mean
so
my
understanding
director,
thomas
white
is:
we
only
have
two
hives
in
evanston
currently.
Is
that
correct.
A
U
Think
the
ordinance
was
dated
2007.,
we
received
two
new
applicants
2016.,
we
already
had
two
licensed
prior
and
we
have
one
waiting
to
confirm:
okay,.
Q
I'd
rather
treat
this
like
a
permit
in
a
sense
and
actually
have
these
any
any
application
for
beekeeping,
come
before
the
council
or
the
human
services
committee
for
approval,
rather
than
giving
citizens
kind
of
the
veto
authority
over
whether
they
agree
with
this
or
not,
and
I
think
it
could
be
both
positive
in
the
sense
that
they
disagree
with
it
or
negative,
and
just
that
they
don't
actually
fill
out
the
form
and
we
have
a
process
in
place
where
we
could
hear
from
any
objections
to
to
the
permits.
Q
Much
like
we
do
with
zoning
variations
etc,
and
I
don't
think
that
it
will
be
overly
burdensome
on
us,
given
that
we've
had
six
in
ten
years.
So
I
would,
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
refer
back
to
staff
in
that
regard.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
the
support
for
that
on
the
council,
but
I'd
like
to
discuss
that
option.
Instead
of
having
residents
have
the
sole
authority
to
decide
whether
a
hive
will
be
established
or.
B
Because
it
come
up
several
times
this
afternoon
in
terms
of
the
speakers,
had
anyone
ever
requested
or
asked
the
city
about
having
an
area
for
beekeeping,
and
I'm
asked
that
because
when
the
gentleman
says
he
has
to
go
away
to
wisconsin
and
then
the
ladies
in
indiana,
we
certainly
have
a
lot
of
space
along.
I
would
think
along
the
canal
areas
like
that
that
could
very
well
be
conducive
to
beekeeping.
B
Has
anybody
ever
made
such
a
request,
because
I
I
think
that
there
could
be
alternatives
to
this
happening,
I'm
not
so
sure,
and
I'm
not
allergic,
but
I
don't
know
if
I'm
going
to
be
next
to
my
house
and
I'm
just
not
so
I
would
certainly
as
a
resident
tax
paying
just
like
they
are,
would
want
to
have
some
input,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
want
to
stop
anyone
from
doing
that.
B
So
I
think
that
we
have
a
responsibility
to
look
at
other
options
and
that
certainly,
I
believe
he
suggested
that
there
james
park
places
where
we
have
the
gardening
and
I
along
twigs
park
over
and
there
there's
lots
of
space
and
actually
from
green
bay
road.
All
the
way
up
to
church
there's
all
kinds
of
space
that
might
be
it's
I
mean
nobody's
ever
asked.
I
don't
think
I've
never
heard
of
it
before,
but
it's
certainly
something.
B
I
think
that
we
could
look
at
and
we're
going
to
send
it
if
we
send
it
back
to
staff,
and
I
think
if
we
do
that,
we
certainly
have
to
come
back
next
month
with
something
because
it'll
be
that
time
to
start
doing
it,
that
that
would
be
one
of
the
things
that
we'd
I'd
like
to
see
included.
P
Thank
you.
I
don't
support
the
neighbor
sort
of
veto
process,
but
I
do
think
what
mr
schwartz
did
say
about
and
what
aldon
holmes
just
spoke
to.
I
think
that's
a
real
great
idea,
regardless
of
what
our
ordinance
has
to
say
about
neighborhood
approval,
because
from
what
I
know
about
antihistamines
and
that
local
honey
is
better
for
people,
because
it
contains
the
same
histamines,
I
guess
or
anthias
means
as
local
vegetation.
P
The
I
think
if
people
had
community
are
involved
in
community
gardens,
they'd
be
keeping
close
to
or
nearby
the
community
gardens
would
be
a
particular
interest
to
them.
So
I
think,
on
all
accounts
on
several
counts.
That's
a
really
good
idea,
but
I
do
think
giving
a
single
neighbor
the
veto
power
would
pretty
much
eliminate
beekeeping
in
our
city,
the.
As
far
as
the
bringing
everything
to
council,
I
would
almost
rather
see
an
appeals
process
by
a
resident
if
they
are
worried
about
a
neighbor
applying
for
a
license.
P
I
don't
know
how
far
that
would
go,
but
certainly
I'd
rather
see
it
on
appeal
than
through
just
on
a
regular
basis,
and
I
agree
with
mr
rogers
matt
rodgers
that
this
is
a
land
use
issue
and
it
has
a
lot
to
do
with
zoning,
and
I
believe
our
our
community
has
a
lot
of
zoning
and
that
we
should
probably
be
inclusive
of
the
things
that
we
are
talking
to.
The
community
about
livable
gardens,
sustainable,
gardens,
all
kind
of
all
kinds
of
things.
P
So
anyway,
I
I
think
we're
on
a
good
direction
here,
and
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
make
sense.
Out
of
this
whole
thing.
V
I
don't
know
if
alderman
miller
included
this
in
his
thinking
about
sort
of
a
permit
process,
but
that
would
presumably
include
some
kind
of
notice
to
neighbors,
so
that
neighbors
would
have
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
as
part
of
the
permit
approval
process
if
we're
sending
it
back
to
staff
and
we're
going
to
have
more
chance
to
get
more
information.
I'd
be
interested
in
are
contacting
our
current
beekeepers
to
get
their
input
as
well.
V
I
don't
know
if
they
know
that
we're
talking
about
that
tonight,
but
I
and
I
also
very
much
like
to
see
the
community
continuing
to
move
ahead
with
being
a
community
that
supports
pollinators
and
provides
the
habitat
that
they
need.
A
W
It's
just
following
the
federal
sort
of
guidelines
in
terms
of
contract.
Drafting
shall
is
sort
of
an
obsolete
term,
so
it's
must
or
must
not,
is
the
recommended
sort
of
language
to
be
used
going
forward
and
you'll
be
seeing
that
in
other
ordinances
that
are
drafted
or
resolutions
that
are
drafted
in
front
of
you.
A
Okay,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
bees,
not
of
wasps.
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
the
summer
explaining
to
people
what
the
difference
is
and
wasps
are
generally
aggressive.
Bees
are
not.
A
My
concern
is
that
I've
got
several
concerns,
but
one
of
them
is
if
we
start
putting
all
the
apiaries
in
the
same
location,
there's
something
in
the
ordinance
that
says
there
shall
be
no
more
than
eight
per
ward,
so
we'd
have
to
think
about
if
we're
going
to
move
them
where
they're
going
to
go
and
if
they
are.
If
we
want
to
change
that
that
part,
so
they
will
be
in
compliance.
I
I
I'd
like
to
hear
from
melissa
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
lady
from
indiana.
A
A
If
we
locate
all
of
them
in
in
one
spot,
they
may
not
be
getting
to
the
place
where
they
need
to
be,
and
I
I
do
think
that
as
part
of
the
annual
licensing
as
alderman
revell
mentioned,
that
we
can
include
a
notice
to
neighbors
and
an
opportunity
for
appeal
at
that
time,
if
necessary.
But
my
main
concern-
and
what
I'm
hopeful
has
happened
in
this
case-
is
that
the
neighbors
can
work
together
and
if
there's
a
a
problem
that
the
neighbors
can
be
responsive
to
their
neighbors.
A
We
have
situations
in
all
of
our
wards
all
the
time
that
can
be
issues
that
people
are
unhappy
about
are
having
difficulty
communicating
with
their
neighbors
somehow
or
another.
These
things
do
work
out,
and
I
just
don't
want
to
over
legislate
something
of
of
this
type,
because
I
think
that
everyone's
intention
in
support
of
the
environment,
in
support
of
of
a
good
local
food
source,
all
those
wonderful
things
that
we're
working
toward
can
be
amicably
resolved
between
between
neighbors.
X
I
I
didn't
come
on
this
particular
show.
I
came
for
the
lake
level
issue,
but
my
memory
is
a
little
fuzzy
about
when
we
passed
that
ordinance.
B
X
Okay,
then,
all
right
so,
but
I
think
the
reason
why
we
didn't
do
it
for
the
bees,
as
I
remember
distinctly,
that
night
was
because,
as
alderman
holmes
will
remember,
we
received
information
literally
from
around
the
world,
about
from
beekeepers
around
the
world
about
what
beekeeping
entailed
and
how
the
amount
the
bees
honeybees
don't
sting
and
are
not
aggressive,
and
that
if
the
hive
is
a
certain
distance
from
a
property
line
that
that
that
should
be
sufficient.
That
honeybees
fly
in
a
straight
line.
X
My
memory's
a
little
iffy
on
this.
They
don't
fly
very
high
and
that
I
think,
in
the
end,
the
reason
why
we
didn't
pass.
It
was
because
we
determined
that
that
they
were
generally
not
a
nuisance
in
the
community
and
that
that
actually
we
debated
having
neighbor
consent
and
ultimately,
at
the
time,
decided
that
that
would
end
up
having
a
chilling
effect
and
that
we
would
end
up
with
no
beehives
in
evanston.
And
if
you
remember,
alderman
holmes
will
remember
this.
When
this
issue
first
arose.
It
was.
X
We
suddenly
found
out
that
there
were
a
lot
of
people
keeping
bees
in
evanston
that
we
didn't
know
about
and
didn't
know
about
it
and
that
they
were
sharing
their
honey
with
neighbors
and
no
one
had
complained.
In
fact,
we
found
out
that
there
were
a
number
of
bee
trees
in
evanston.
That
was
were
producing
honey
as
well.
X
People
just
went
in
there
were
trees
on
public
property
that
had
bee
hives
in
them
and
and
that
people
in
the
neighborhood
knew
about
it,
and
some
people
were
actually
pretty
good
at
getting
the
honey
out
of
it.
X
So
it
was
something
that
was
already
naturally
occurring
and
I
will
say
we
had
I'm
gonna,
say
eight
or
nine
months
of
debate
and
information
about
this,
and
ultimately
it
was.
You
know
the
amount
of
information
that
we
received
indicated
to
us
that
that
be
overwhelmingly
bees
were
were
better
for
the
better
to
have
in
the
community
than
not
to
have,
and
that
was
ten
years
ago
before
the
bee
collapse
has
that's
now
happened
has
happened,
so
I
agree
with
that.
X
Having
some
community
garden
be
hiving
would
be
great,
but
I
also
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
being
discussed
were
discussed.
B
Except
I
I
don't
remember
a
life
death,
life
and
death
situation
in
terms
of
the
allergic
reaction
we
didn't
discuss
that
and
that
that
had
that
I
was
trying
to
remember-
and
nobody
else
sitting
up
here
was
on
the
council
at
the
time.
But
me
when
we
had
this
discussion
before
it,
and
I
really
and
truly
thought
that
we
had
put
in
notification
for
the
neighbors
and
things.
But
we
hadn't
and
I
looked
back
and
found
that
we
hadn't
done
that.
X
I
do,
I
do
remember,
limiting
it
to
eight
per
ward
yeah.
I
remember
that
and
I
thought
we
had
done
notification
as
well.
I
did
too,
I
just
don't
know
why
it
didn't
get
in
right,
but
there
there
was
an
enormous
amount
of
b
information
that
came
to
us.
I
mean
I
had.
I
had
emails
from
australia
from
great
britain
all
over
europe.
A
Thanks
alderman
nguyen
was
somebody
oh
alderman
miller,.
Q
U
A
Guess
what
I
would
say
is
that
and
thank
you
alderman
nguyen
for
chiming
in.
I
think
that's
really
helpful
and
thank
you
alderman
holmes,
for
both
of
you
being
having
good
memories
about
this.
I,
while
I
would
support
the
notification
to
neighbors,
I
don't
want
that
to
make
that
to
be
an
automatic
approval
or
disapproval.
A
I
think
notification
is
is
enough.
I
just
as
mr
rogers
pointed
out
in
his
case,
what,
with
80
neighbors,
that
that
would
just
discourage
any
kind
of
beekeeping.
I
think
anywhere
in
evanston
and
so
alderman
miller,.
Q
I
agree
with
the
notification
process,
but
if
you
want
to
do
it
all
the
intentions
had
said
in
regards
having
an
appeal
process
in
that
regard.
Maybe
do
a
formal
reference
in
that
regard
and
strike
the
the
portion
regarding
called
the
single
resident
veto.
So,
instead
of
having
that
have
noticed
before
the
permit
is
issued
and
then
have
an
appeal
process
for
the
issuance
of
the
permit,
that'd
be
my
formal
recommendation,
a
reference.
Q
A
B
So
I
will
second
that,
provided
that
we
asked
staff
also
to
look
at
areas
that
the
city
could
provide
or
recommend
you
know
for
folk.
I
would
if
mr
rogers
is
driving
to
wisconsin
and
he
didn't
mention
the
amount
of
money,
but
he's
spending
money
to
do
that.
I
just
don't
think
that
that
is
fair
either
and
if
we
did
have
spaces
in
the
community
that
could
be
used.
I
just
think
that
that
would
be
the
right
thing
to.
W
W
So
to
be
clear
for
next
month,
you
just
want
to
see
a
revised
sort
of
ordinance
looking
at
striking
the
the
veto
having
some
sort
of
notice
and
appeal
process
and
then
also
providing
information
on
areas
in
the
city
of
evanston,
where
beekeeping
public
places
where
bp
keeping
can
take
place
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
That
would
bet
to
be
the
permit
now.
You
also
mentioned
something
alderman.
Well,
I
thought
about
a
permit
process.
Q
A
Right:
okay,
all
right!
So
all
of
those
in
favor
of
sending
this
back
to
staff
for
revisions
say
aye,
aye,
okay!
Is
there
anybody
opposed
okay,.
B
A
Okay
and
now
we're
moving
on
we've
got
two
items
for
discussion.
Hh3
is
the
dog
beach
and
lakefront
issues
presentation.
We
have
john
chabicca
here.
We
are
delighted
to
have
him
with
us
tonight.
The
expert
on
all
the
things
lakefront
for
the.
Z
I'm
john
chubika,
the
company
named
chebeken,
associates
we're
a
38
year
old
company,
doing
coastal
science
coastal
engineering.
I'm
happy
to
report
that
I'm
not
the
engineer,
I'm
the
translator
for
the
engineers,
so
I'm
the
one
that
wins
the
coin
toss
and
gets
to
do
the
public
meetings.
Usually,
when
the
engineers
come
up,
they
use
a
lot
of
anachronisms
and
everything
like
that
and
there's
usually
a
lot
of
questions.
This
is
the
ninth
time.
I've
done
a
lake
level
talk
so
far
this
season.
Z
So
this
is
not
the
first
time
everybody
in
the
community
is
kind
of
raising
their
hands
and
going
what
happened
to
the
lake
front
and,
unfortunately,
municipalities
do
not
look
at
their
lake
fronts
when
they're
not
having
issues
a
symbol
or
beach
analogy
is
it's
kind
of
like
a
roof?
Nobody
cares
about
the
roof
until
it
leaks
the
same
way
with
the
lakefront.
Z
Nobody
cared
about
the
lakefront
three
years
ago,
when
we
all
had
big
glorious,
fabulous
beaches.
So
I'm
a
teaching
background.
So
if
anybody
has
any
questions-
or
I
say
anything
that
you
have
no
clue
about-
please
feel
free
to
cut
me
off
and
oh
should
I
use
this
or
that.
Z
How
many
people
were
here
in
1986,
okay,
so
1986
is
the
reference
point
that
we
use.
Does
this
have
a
laser
on
it.
Y
W
Z
We
are,
this
is
going
back
to
1986,
we've
gone
through
two
high
lake
level
cycles
and
then
one
star
that
you
see
on
the
right
side
of
that
of
that
screen,
which
represented
the
low
lake
level
and
between
those
two
differences.
You
have
almost
a
six
foot
difference.
So
if
you
remember
1986
and
you
remembered
1997,
which
was
the
last
cycle,
those
were
our
two
high
lake
levels.
Now
the
only
reason
we've
had
this
glorified
dog
beach
for
so
long.
A
J
Z
So
if
you
kind
of
look
on
that
chart
from
the
center
over
you'll
see
a
very
long,
prolonged
period
of
low
lake
levels
now,
the
reason
I
say
long
and
prolonged
is
lake
michigan
anywhere
between
about
16
and
20
years.
We
have
gone
through
this
very
cyclical
low
to
high
cycle
within
this
very
narrow
range.
This
is
not
anything,
that's
unique
to
what
we've
been
seeing
director.
So
what
what
we've
had?
What
we
are
now
is.
We
went
through
a
longer
low
low
lake
level
cycle
than
we
ever
anticipated.
Z
Oh
yeah,
oh,
I
can't
even
see
that
no,
no,
no
worries,
okay,
I'm
good
I'll
talk
loud.
So
when
we
hit
january
2013,
we
set
the
all-time
recorded
record.
Low
lake
level
works
for
me,
and
this
is
what
we
dealt
with.
Z
So
we
experienced
it
for
long
low
lake
levels,
extreme
storm
events
at
low
lake
levels-
I
don't
know
if
anybody
remembers
that,
because
what
it
did
was
bring
in
sand.
Anybody
remember
hurricane
sandy
what
it
did
to
the
east
coast.
Does
anybody
remember
what
it
did
here?
We
had
almost
record-setting
waves
that
slugged
so
much
deep
water
sand
up
on
shore.
It
helped
grow
the
beaches
saint.
We
had
large
sand
accumulation
around
structures
and
then
we
had
very
mild
winters.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
pictures
from
2013..
Z
Z
Here
was
your
dog
beach
that
was
february
3rd
2013..
Now,
here's
the
critical
thing
look
at
the
elevation
of
the
beach
576.1,
that's
above
sea
level,
and
the
other
thing
I
want
you
to
take
a
look
at.
Is
this
nice
long,
gentle
sloping
beach
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
how
does
the
lake
level
affect
the
size
of
a
sandy
beach?
Well,
when
we
measured
the
dog
beach
on
that
day
that
beach
slope
was
a
one
on
65
foot
slope.
So
what
that
means
is
for
every
one
foot
of
elevation
change.
Z
Z
This
is
one
of
my.
I
think
a
picture
speaks
a
thousand
words.
This
is
my
favorite
picture
regarding
that.
So
here
is
january,
1st
of
2013
all-time
record
low
lake
level.
Everybody
remember
the
winner
of
2012,
okay.
How
about
one
year
later
we
went
from
almost
zero
ice
coverage
on
lake
michigan
to
97
ice
coverage.
Z
We
didn't
have
winter
evaporation
of
lake
levels,
see
this
nice
big
spike
here.
That
represents
a
two
two-foot
increase
in
lake
levels.
Okay,
then
we
have
a
nice
win.
We
have
a
nice
summer.
We
see
a
little
summer,
seasonal
evaporation,
which
we
typically
see.
Then
what
happens?
We
come
into
another
winter
of
intense
ice
coverage.
Now
remember
each
one
of
these
feet.
Each
one
of
these
lines
represents
a
foot.
Z
Here's
where
we
are
today
throw
on
top
of
that
the
storms
that
we've
had
in
the
last
two
years,
everybody
remember
october,
31st,
2014
23-foot
recorded
waves
in
lake
michigan.
The
only
reason
it
didn't
make
national
news.
It
was
in
the
off
season,
nobody
was
killed
and
there
were
no
boats
in
the
water.
If
that
had
happened
around
july
4th
with
the
damage
we
saw
within
harbors,
it
would
have
made
national
news.
We
had
a
marine
con
contractors
barge.
Z
Z
Z
So
how
did
that
affect
the
dog
beach?
So
here's,
the
dog
beach
from
yesterday,
remember
that
one
on
65
slope
you
take
into
account
4.7
feet
in
lake
level
rise
you
automatically
lost
292
and
a
half
feet
of
beach,
that's
solely
based
on
elevation
that
does
not
take
into
account
the
storms
we've
been
seeing.
Has
anybody
been
down
to
the
lake
lately
yeah?
We
have
not
had
a
kind
spring,
so
unfortunately,
the
beaches
are
going
to
continue
to
be
smaller.
Z
Z
Z
What
is
a
wave
conditions
almost
zero
and
we're
seeing
rip
currents
most
of
my
meetings
so
far,
this
season
have
been
with
lifeguards
to
kind
of
explain
to
them.
What's
happening
around
the
lake
because
one
of
the
things
that
they're
going
to
see
at
your
public
beaches
this
season
is
it's
going
to
be
deeper
near
shore
and
that's
only
based
on
lake
levels
and
where
the
waves
are
breaking.
Z
Well.
Here's
the
funny
thing
with
dogs
dogs,
don't
panic
in
water
people
panic
when
a
dog
is
stuck
in
a
rip
current,
a
dog
just
kind
of
swims
until
it
gets
back
to
shore
what
happens?
Is
a
person
swimming
in
a
rip?
Z
Current
gets
in
a
rip
current
and
panics
because
they
think
they're
helpless
and
then
they
swim
against
the
current
and
they
drown
which,
if
they
realize
all
they
have
to
do,
is
float
and
they
float
right
around
the
back
side
of
a
rip
current
and
we
have
a
very
it's
a
very
high
tech,
very
complicated
way
of
illustrating
that
to
people
and
that's
we
throw
grapefruits
in
the
water.
Z
Grapefruits
are
neutrally
buoyant.
They
float
about
an
inch
below
the
surface.
So
if
you
ever
have
a
nice
day
or
you
want
to
do
a
scientific
experiment
with
kids
go
get
a
case
of
grapefruits,
throw
them
in
the
water.
At
a
groin
and
you'll
be
amazed
at
how
quickly
they'll
be
drawn
out
around
the
groin
and
drawn
back
on
the
south
side.
Z
Z
Z
We
expect
to
see
damage
to
public
and
private
lakefront
property
ex,
including
existing
infrastructure
and
then
greatest
greater
potential
for
submerged
hazards.
This.
These
are
piles
right
next
to
lighthouse
beach
that
are
on
private
property.
They
were
not
a
navigational
concern
at
low
lake
levels.
That
is
them
today.
Z
Those
piles
are
six
feet
high.
You
only
see
the
top
one
foot
of
those
piles.
Here's
a
120
foot,
long,
concrete,
pier
that
at
one
point
the
neighbor
to
the
south
had
a
nice
sandy
beach.
What
is
this
beach
comprised
of
right?
Now?
It's
mostly
cobble
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
challenge.
Also
with
this
higher
lake
level
is
we're
seeing
a
lot
more
aggressive
movement
of
sand
along
the
lakefront.
Z
So-
and
this
is
where
I
bring
the
bad
news
from
the
standpoint
of
options,
I've
heard
people
say
what
can
we
do
right
now?
What
can
we
make
modifications
to?
Regarding
the
lakefront,
like
I
said
earlier,
nobody
ever
looks
at
the
lakefront
from
a
planning
of
being
proactive
and
it's
not
to
say
that
the
city
hasn't
been
proactive.
It's
just.
We
never
expected
it
to
happen
this
quickly.
So
from
a
state
and
federal
regulation
standpoint.
Anything
we
do
along
the
lakefront
goes
through
seven
state
and
federal
agencies.
Z
Needless
to
say,
they're,
not
all
fast
and
efficient
and
yeah.
I'm
saying
that
on
a
public
record,
they
require
permits
for
anything
including
new
structures,
simply
just
placing
sand
or
even
maintenance
of
existing
structures.
The
regulatory
agencies,
too,
are
also
overwhelmed
with
shore
protection
permits.
Z
Lake
front
permitting
right
now
may
take
between
8
and
18
months
for
issuance,
and
that,
like
I
said
that
includes
simply
if
you
just
wanted
to
place
sand
and
in
conclusion,
we
need
to
recognize
that
lake
michigan
is
a
dynamic
environment.
We,
the
only
reason
I'm
here
is
because
to
to
be
active
and
educate
the
community
on
the
changing
lakefront
conditions
and
risk
to
users.
Z
Private
property
also
has
experienced
the
same
impact
and
tougher
regulations
every
year.
The
reason
I
say
tougher
regulations
is
municipalities,
because
you're
the
benefit
of
the
public
usually
get
a
little
different,
permitting
leaning
ability,
maybe
and
the
private
property
is
held
to
a
much
higher
standard.
Z
Z
A
O
Your
name
barbara
james.
What
would
happen
if
you
took
out
all
the
breakwaters.
O
All
of
them,
except
possibly
at
the
boat
launch,
but
everything
everything
else.
We.
Z
Would
be
similar
to
the
state
of
michigan
in
that
we
would
see
potentially
up
to
a
foot
to
two
foot
two
feet
per
year
of
land
erosion
if
we
took
out
all
the
structures,
so
anybody
here's
a
question
too.
I
don't
I'm
pretty
sure
nobody
here
was
here
back
then,
but
how
old
do
you
think
some
of
those
structures
are
when
did
evanston
start
engineering
their
lake
front.
Z
there's
evanston's
lakefront
in
1930,
with
over
90
wood,
pile
crib
groins
that
held
beaches,
there's
1930,
you
look
at
all
the
there's,
the
lighthouse,
the
lighthouse
at
lighthouse
beach.
So
this
is
not
a
recent
challenge.
This
is
a
challenge
we've
been
dealing
with
since
lakefront
property
started
to
become
valuable,
is
when
people
started
protecting
it,
and
if
we
took
out
all
the
structures
we
would
have
no
lakefront
and
significantly
eroding
lake
front
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
and
just
real
quick
on
one
more
thing.
Z
The
department
of
natural
resources
two
years
ago
placed
close
to
eighty
thousand
dollars
of
sand
at
illinois,
beach
state
park,
which
is
the
last
section
of
native
shoreline
in
illinois.
A
Wow,
can
we
have
the
next
question.
N
Z
Z
That's
everybody
remembers
around
lake
shore
drive
when
you
get
the
big
waves
they
splash
and
break
beautifully,
and
then
flood
lakeshore
drive.
We
have
a
stone,
revetment
and
the
purpose
of
those
types
of
structures
or
something
like
a
concrete
seawall.
The
purpose
of
those
are
basically
to
be
that
hard
line
in
the
sand.
Sorry,
for
the
pun,
it's
to
just
stop
erosion.
It's
not
to
create
access,
it's
not
to
create
a
beach,
it's
not
to
provide
any
type
of
coastal
habitat.
Z
Any
structure.
That's
perpendicular
to
the
shoreline
is
designed
to
help
hold
sand
and
the
reason
that
those
are
there's
difference
in
that
is
in
illinois.
The
primary
direction
of
sand
movement
in
what
we
call
the
littoral
system
is
north
to
south
and
that's
based
on
which
direction
we
see
the
biggest
storm
waves
from.
So
when
you
build
a
structure,
and
in
this
case
you
build
a
structure,
that's
600
feet,
long!
What's
it
going
to
do
over
time?
Z
Is
it's
going
to
do
nothing
but
fill
in
with
sand
until
it's
completely
full,
and
if
we
go
back
to
the
2012
google
earth,
you
could
see
that
that
system
was
completely
full
and
then
now
that
system
is
holding
whatever
it
can
now,
when
we
do
private
property
breakwaters
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
negative
fears,
even
evanston
explored
doing
a
lakefront
ordinance
a
few
years
ago
against
private
property
shore
protection
like
that,
the
difference
is
now
from
a
permitting
standpoint.
One
these
systems
would
never
be
built
this
big.
Z
This
is
not
something
the
department
of
natural
resources
would
ever
want
to
see
a
beach,
this
big
and
it
when,
as
we've
seen
at
low
lake
levels,
it
makes
almost
too
big
a
beach.
When
we
do
these
on
private
property,
the
boundary
for
private
property
is
125
feet
offshore.
So
you
take
this
structure,
which
is
600
feet,
we're
going
125
feet,
which
you
know
considering.
This
is
300
feet
long.
Z
We
might
be
back
here
for
private
property,
then
what
was
required
now
by
the
state
and
federal
regulators
is
any
system
we
build
has
to
be
filled
with
sand
to
create
that
immediate
equilibrium.
So
when
we
look
at
budgeting
for
some
of
these
projects,
in
some
cases
the
sand
budget
might
be
higher
than
the
other
infrastructure
budgets.
A
AA
Carl
bulva
I
was
around
in
1985
and
worked
on
the
chicago
shoreline
project
and
it's
still
going
on
today
a
couple
of
things
of
note
back
in
85
86,
then
parks
and
rec
manager,
doug
gainer,
had
some
meetings
with
respect
to
the
rising
lake
levels.
At
that
point,
and
there's
a
revetment
section,
just
south
of
downtown,
that's
several
hundred
feet
long,
I'm
not
sure
exactly,
but
a
concern
is
raised
with
respect
to
revetments.
AA
AA
Just
remember
what
goes
up.
Also
must
be
coming
down,
and
that
leads
me
to
the
next
question
for
john,
and
that
is
the
expected
cycle
for
it
to
go
to
come
up
and
then
go
back
down.
Are
we
talking
about
a
year
two
years,
three
years?
AA
How
how
what's
the
duration
and
the
other
thing
that
people
don't
realize
as
well?
Is
that
on
an
annual
basis-
and
I
think
one
of
john's
slide
kind
of
showed
this-
is
that
on
a
monthly
level,
though
the
wintertime
generally
have
lesser
lesser
lake
levels,
water
goes
back
up,
and
then
it
comes
back.
So
there's
an
annual
cycle
of
up
and
down
which
may
add
to
the
problem
thanks.
Z
One
of
the
groups
I
spoke
to
yesterday
was
a
school
group,
and
I
said
if
any
of
you
want
to
be
a
have.
A
great
job
go
be
a
climatologist,
because
climatologists
are
only
accurate,
three
percent
of
the
time
you
imagine
having
a
job
so
from
the
stampin
of
the
question
on.
Yes,
we
see
seasonal
cycles.
In
the
summer
we
see
evaporation
in
the
winter.
We
see
evaporation
in
the
spring
we
see
precipitation
and
sometimes
in
the
falls
we
get
participation
and
that's
what
helps
that
seasonal?
Z
We
I
wish
there
was
a
better
predictor
for
what
we've
seen
what
we've.
What
we
know
is
what
our
history
has
been,
and
our
history
says
between
16
and
20
years,
we've
seen
these
low
and
high.
What
we've
also
noted
is
between
those
cycles.
We've
had
prolonged
lows
and
we've
seen
the
highs
come
faster
than
we
ever
anticipated.
Z
So
from
the
standpoint
of
trying
to
plan
the
hardest
part
is
when
we
look
at
the
permitting
the
cost
and
the
need.
It
really
comes
down
to
one
of
those
typically
isn't
there
when
you
need
it
at
the
low
lake
level.
Like
I
said,
everybody
was
enjoying
the
big
beach
and
it
would
seem
silly
to
spend
money
to
build
something
to
fix
something
that
wasn't
broken
now.
One
of
the
questions
too,
that
came
up
was
regarding
revetments.
Z
If
it
came
down
to
today
as
a
coastal
best
management
practice,
would
I
want
to
make
that
revetment
just
bigger,
and
my
answer
would
probably
be
no
and
here's
why
this
goes
back
to
that
little
discussion
about
what
we've
seen
from
a
lake
bed
down
cutting
and
picture.
This
is
an
evanston
shoreline,
so
this
is
just
a
revetment
with
the
low
lake
levels,
we
saw
typically
sand
build
up
there
as
we
had
this
lake
bed
erosion,
because
waves
were
breaking
not
against
the
rocks,
which
is
why
those
revetments
were
installed.
We
had
waves
breaking
offshore.
Z
If
anybody
and
I
should
have
brought
a
picture-
that's
why
I
didn't
something
that
the
department
of
natural
resources
did
with
presque
isle
state
park.
They
have
submerged
what
they
call
living,
breakwaters
or
submerged
breakwaters.
There
is
a
double-edged
sword
to
them.
It
is
putting
a
structure
offshore
that
has
the
potential
to
become
a
navigational
hazard.
Z
So
there
is
some
kind
of
an
acceptance
that
people
need
to
understand
that
it
comes
down
to
a
balance
and
really
when
we
look
at
working
with
a
municipality
from
the
standpoint
of
the
lakefront
one
of
the
best
positions
that
you
are
in
right
now
is
you're
not
really
experiencing
damage.
We
have
some
deflating
revetments.
We
have
a
smaller
beach
and
we've
lost
the
dog
beach.
You
don't
have
buildings
falling
in
you're,
not
having
we're
not
closing
the
beaches.
This
season,
this
is
literally.
Z
O
O
Z
A
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
the
committee
members
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions
too.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
john?
This
has
been
amazing.
I
mean
I
think,
at
the
dog
beach
meeting
on
on
saturday.
We
alderman
wynn,
and
I
were
really
surprised
because
people
were
saying
why
didn't
you
people
know
about
this?
A
You
know
it's
your
fault,
you
just
haven't
been
paying
attention
and
why
didn't
we
know
about
it?
It
sounds
like
lots
of
people
didn't
know
about
it.
Q
P
Q
There's
a
test
afterwards,
I
appreciate
it,
don't
ask
me
to
spell
it.
I
I
actually
don't
have
a
question
for
you
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
a
question.
Q
I
actually
want
to
talk
to
mr
hemingway
for
a
second
as
well,
if
that's
okay,
because
this
is
a
problem
we're
also
facing
it's,
not
just
a
dog
beach,
we're
having
like,
for
example,
at
our
small
boat
launch
beach
as
well,
and
there's
some
use
problems
where,
for
example,
where
we
used
to
have
a
bathing
area
or
that
sort
they're
starting
to
move
into
the
boat
launch
area.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
just
a
dog
beach
problem.
Q
T
Madam
chair
excuse
me,
madam
chair
and
and
council
and
council
members,
alderman
miller,
you're
absolutely
correct.
I
mean
all
of
our
beaches
are
shrinking.
The
water
isn't
just
rising
in
one
left
at
one
particular
area,
so
we
are
currently
facing
a
reduced
beach
front
throughout
the
entire
lakefront,
and
so
we
are
closely
examining
each
and
every
beach
right
now
looks
like
you
know.
T
If
the
water
levels
go
to
the
army
corps
engineers,
projections
we'll
have
swimming
beaches
this
summer,
but
they
will
be
reduced
from
the
size
they
were
last
year
and
we're
aware
of
it.
We
are
now
monitoring
the
situation
as
closely
as
possible
and
trying
to
work
on
some
long-term
strategies
to
try
to
address
it.
But
you
know,
as
each
of
you
are
aware,
those
things
you
know
cost
quite
a
bit
of
money,
as
was
just
shared
with
this
committee
and
the
public
today,.
Q
T
So
we
haven't
lost
any
other
beach,
but
I'll
tell
you
right
now
we're
very
concerned
about
greenwood
we're
as
of
today
we
haven't
lost
it,
but
it's
it's
significantly
reduced.
So
you
know
it's
really
going
to
be
up
to
mother
nature
to
to
determine
what
happens
there.
Q
A
N
N
Down:
okay,
there
you
go
the
the
ceiling
beach,
I've
looked
at
it
and
the
weight
has
been
crashing
underneath
the
boat
racks,
and
so
it
would
look
as
though
they
may
need
to
be
moved
farther
up.
But
I'm
not
really
even
sure.
I
just
happen
to
know
that,
because
I
have
both
there
and.
Q
T
Okay,
not
a
problem
alderman
just
to
the
constituent's
concern.
We
are
now
prepping
all
the
beaches
for
the
memorial
day
weekend,
opening
and
as
far
as
those
those
bull
doc,
those
are
will
be
removed
and
placed
in
different
locations.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
for
those
I
think
I
forwarded
you
ray
dorner's
comments
about
questions
that
were
raised
for
the
dog
beach
meeting
and
those
will
be
posted
on
the
city's
dog
beach
website
for
the
public
to
review
as
well
and
we'll
be
taking
a
look
at
that
as
staff
with
staff
and
yeah
boy.
A
That
we
need
to
get
a
report
back
from
staff
and
we'll
have
it
as
a
continuing
item
on
the
agenda.
We
are
going
to
try
to
answer
all
the
questions
from
the
dog
beach
meeting.
We
weren't
prepared
to
be
able
to
do
that
on
saturday
and
and
again
I
wanted
to
thank
mr
shaka.
He
came
at
almost
no
notice
at
all
and-
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that,
okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
a
discussion
of
the
food
truck
ordinance.
AA
A
A
C
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
had
not
planned
to
walk
everyone
through
the
ordinance.
I
will
point
out
that,
at
the
end
of
the
ordinance
there
was
at
the
end
of
the
staff
report,
there
was
a
listing
of
options.
I
think
the
ordinance
itself
was
mean
sorry,
the
staff
report
we
packed
quite
a
bit
in
about
three
pages
of
options
and
we
broke
those
down
into
things
that
legally
we
can't
do
things
we
can't
do
right
away
and
on
items
that
we
would
like
to
go
forward.
C
A
C
C
It
is
a
local
presence
that,
but
I
do
not
know
whether
it's
family
or.
A
I'd
like
information
from
staff
about
how
they
would
see
the
potential
impact
of
food
trucks
down
at
the
beach
to
be
in
competition
with
our
concession
and
how
that
might
work
out.
I
I
would
hate
to
lose
our
concessions,
and
my
understanding
is
that
with
so
little
interest.
A
That
must
mean
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
money
being
made.
So
I
would
like
to.
I
would
like
to
know
from
staff
what
the
impact
of
having
food
trucks
on
the
lake
would
be
on
the
revenues
that
our
concessioner
is.
C
Generating
hey
madam
chair,
I
think
you've
highlighted
it
in
your
question.
Yes,
that
would
be
an
issue
and
we
could
respond
and
then
take
council
direction
on
whether
or
not
to
recognize
that
and
include
it
in
our
next
year's
process
for
concession.
C
We
certainly
didn't
envision
when
we
rehabbed
the
concession
area
that
it
could
be
taken
over
by
food
trucks,
and
that
was
about
five
years
ago
when
it
was
redesigned,
so
things
do
change.
I
think
we
would
respond
to
you,
though,
more
quickly
with
the
food
truck
analysis
to
say
what
we
know,
and
it
was
referenced
briefly
that
chicago
does
have
the
food
trucks
in
a
lot
of
places
and
they
do
compete
with
their
not
just
beach
but
with
other
concessions.
C
So
we
know
that
that
would
be
the
case
just
from
what
we,
our
neighbor
to
the
south,
we'll
follow
up
in
writing.
Okay,.
A
A
And
how
type
2
restaurants
need
to
go
through
a
special
use,
permitting
process
and
why
out
of
town
fast
food
trucks
might
be
exempt
again?
These
are
not
my
questions.
These
are
questions
that
came
came
to
us
at
the
committee,
the
fees
charged
to
them
that
they
should
be
similar
to
what
are
charged
to
local
businesses,
food
trucks
operating
in
ssas
food,
food
establishments,
brick
and
mortar,
already
pay
into
the
ssa.
Would
food
trucks
pay
into
them,
and
then
patio
permits
just
exhaust
and
generation
and
ventilation,
fire
suppression,
idling
basic
disturbances.
A
So
I
I
just
would
like
us
to
make
sure
that
we
address
these
concerns.
My
concern
is
also
that
I
I
believe
that
there
is
a
general
feeling
that
existing
business
owners
feel
very
reluctant
to
stand
up
at
a
committee
and
feel
like
they're
opposing
something
that
might
be
very
popular
and
and
don't
wish
to
generate
negative
feedback
that
might
reflect
on
their
on
their
businesses.
So
I'm
taking
that
very
seriously
and
I'm
sympathetic
to
to
that
position.
A
I
don't
know
who
was
first
alderman
holmes
or
braithwaite.
Okay
go
ahead.
S
B
You
know
from
cities
that
the
city
staff's
administration
of
it
and
some
of
the
same
issues
that
was
raised
in
the
in
the
memo
that
maybe
we
hadn't
paid
close
enough
attention
to.
So
I
think
that
one
of
the
the
recommendation
from
the
staff
about
the
fee
structure-
I
think
that
is
something
we
need
to
look
at
very,
very
carefully
on
not
trying
to
over
charge
anyone
or
anything.
But
I
think
that
there
has
to
be
fees
to
cover
costs.
B
A
AA
M
One
had
to
do
with
staffing:
they
didn't,
they
couldn't
get
the
staff
to
be
there
and
the
ones
that
were
there.
They
did
sell
out
of
their
things,
so
they
left,
but
in
order
to
get
the
ones
that
did
show
up
there
were
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
requests
to
try
to
get
food
there,
because
it's
been
something
that
the
patrons
the
first
night
have
asked
for.
Certainly
they
they
go
to
the
restaurants
for
dinner.
But
then
you
know
eight
o'clock,
nine
o'clock.
M
They
want
something
a
little
quick,
and
so
they
wanted
something
right
there
around
raymond
park.
So
it's
it
was
indicated
to
us
that
it
was
a
little
cost
prohibitive
to
come
in
for
that
event,
and
so
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
response
to
our
request
to
have
it.
Okay,
thanks.
B
And
any
other
comments-
maybe
I
was
gonna
say-
maybe
it's
the
time
of
the
year
as
well,
because
in
the
summer
like
for
the
concerts
in
the
parks
and
everything,
even
in
the
fifth
ward,
we've
been
able
to
get
food
trucks
to
come
over
to
our
park
for
for
our
concerts,
so
we've
had
food
trucks
and
they've
typically
sold
out,
because
people
do
want
to.
You
know
to
purchase
food,
and
I
know
that
down
at
I
think
it's
else
park
with
alderman
rainey.
They
have
gobs
of
them
we've
had.
B
Maybe
I
think
we've
had
three,
maybe
four
at
the
most
at
one
time,
but
you
know
no
doubt
new
year's
eve,
yeah.
C
C
We
know
that
we're
going
to
have
to
license
for
a
period
of
time,
for
instance,
and
regulate
for
a
period
of
time,
just
like
we
do
brick
and
mortar
and
you'll
have
a
food
truck,
say
well,
you're
charging
me
much
more,
I'm
only
in
town
10
days
out
of
the
whole
year,
but
I
have
to
pay
the
whole
license
fee.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion
that
will
want
to
have
because
they're
avoiding
a
lot
of
brick
and
mortar
costs.
C
They're,
not
paying
property
tax,
so
that's
not
something
we're
going
to
come
out
with
overnight.
We
definitely
want
to
bring
those
forward,
but
time
is
a
wasting.
We
have
events
that
we
would
like
to
have
benefit.
I
also
think
of
why
we
do
certain
things
in
our
business
districts,
where
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
have
tents
lining
up
and
down,
because
it
blocks
the
businesses
and
you
can
no
longer
see
them.
C
So
as
we
analyze
where
we'll
put
food
trucks,
we
don't
want
a
food
truck
blocking
the
view
or
the
access
to
businesses
in
a
given
area,
and
that's
why
we've
kind
of
highlighted
some
of
the
areas
not
right
in
front
of
light.
You
know
similar
businesses
so
like
one
of
the
things
that,
as
far
as
what
we're
looking
for
also,
though,
is
direction.
May
we
begin
working
on
the
next
steps
and
and
bring
back
regulations
for
a
first
look
to
the
human
services
committee.
C
A
Okay,
the
food
trucks
are
very
popular
and
that's
wonderful
and
now
will
that
come
back
to
human
services.
Yes,
okay,
great,
when.
C
I
believe
we
could
get
started
at
the
next
month.
Again,
we
won't
do
everything
at
once,
but
if
there's
something
that,
for
instance,
is
situational
to
special
events
for
summer,
then
we're
going
to
try
and
go
after
that
initially.
I
know
that
I
would
want
to
talk
with
the
health
director
as
quickly
as
possible
about
what
we
can
and
cannot
do
from
a
regulatory
aspect
and
then
talk
with
law
about
setting
up
fees
and
licensing.
E
AB
I
apologize
for
not
doing
that.
My
name
is
jacob
hubert,
I'm
an
attorney.
I
represent
the
owners
of
the
beavers,
coffee
and
donuts
food
truck.
One
of
those
owners
was
going
to
be
here
to
speak
during
public
comment,
but
he
became
sick
and
couldn't
make
it
so
he
emailed
me
something
he'd
like
me
to
share.
First
of
all,
the
the
owners
greatly
appreciate
this
effort
to
potentially
open
up
the
market
here
in
evanston.
AB
So
we
would
just
ask
that
when
these
regulations
are
being
formatted
formulated
and
the
committee
is
considering
them
that
it
reconsider,
whether
air
screens
are
really
necessary
or
whether
the
ordinary
screens
used
in
chicago
and
elsewhere
would
suffice.
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on.
There
are
items
for
communication,
there's
the
general
and
emergency
assistance
quarterly
report.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
that?
Aldervan
miller
is
going
to
comment.
Okay,.
Q
Evander,
real
quick,
so
are
we
doing
utilities
assistance
anymore?
It
doesn't
look
like
I
mean
we
just
have
january
listed
for
in
the
report,
but
are
we
seeing
it.
U
We
are
assisting
ivanda,
thomas
smith,
health
director.
We
are
assisting
with
water,
shut
off
notifications
and
we
refer
families
that
have
come
to
us
for
nicore
to
community
organizations
that
have
the
nine
course
sharing
program
and
then
for
comed.
We
work
with
some
of
our
faith-based
community
and
other
non-profits
to
do
wrap-around
services.