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A
Good
afternoon
it's
monday
june
7th,
we
are
beginning
the
meeting
for
the
human
services
committee.
We
have
a
quorum,
so
I'm
calling
this
meeting
to
order
apologize
for
the
late
start.
I
want
to
move
hs1,
which
is
a
proof
of
minutes
for
the
regular
meeting
for
march
1st
2021
for
action.
B
A
A
Okay,
ottoman,
councilmember
breithway.
I
am
an
eye
as
well
councilmember
burned.
A
A
E
E
Okay,
my
name
is
gretchen
brewster
and
I'm
here
with
my
exceptionally
well-behaved
seven-year-old
dog
ivy.
She
and
I
together,
have
have
been
very
much
connected
for
the
last
five
and
a
half
years
with
an
incredible
bonding
and
dependence.
E
E
We
walked
many
miles
together,
shared
morsels
and
learned
to
communicate
on
a
new
level.
She
grew
to
rely
heavily
upon
me
and
me
upon
her
so
much
so
that
she
now
goes
almost
everywhere.
I
go
to
have
the
opportunity
of
having
a
meal
together
in
the
great
outdoors
would
have
been
such
a
relief,
but
the
overbearing
ordinance
saying
no
dogs
allowed
forbade
that
possibility.
E
I
have
done
a
fair
amount
of
research
on
this
topic,
and
I've
learned
that
we
in
evanston
would
not
be
in
violation
of
the
state
law
which,
in
my
mind,
is
still
open
to
question.
It
reads
that
no
pets
shall
be
allowed
on
the
premises
of
eating
work.
Food
establishments,
cities
and
towns
like
chicago
wilmette
and
winnetka
have
successfully
successfully
allowed
dogs
in
outdoor
dining
areas,
as
well
as
their
farmers
market.
E
E
In
addition,
as
a
longtime
evanston
taxpayer,
I
believe
the
use
of
our
sidewalks
is
equally
mine,
as
well
as
for
restaurateurs
and
patrons
allowing
dogs
and
other
pet
owners
to
frequent
outdoor
dining
spots
would
be
a
joy
to
us
and
our
companions
and
bring
added
revenue
to
our
city.
Rest
resident,
restaurants,
what's
to
be
lost
by
the
way
I
bet
you,
my
dog
ivy
is
better
behaved
than
95
percent
of
the
present
customers.
E
E
A
Okay,
so
we
haven't
two
items
that
were.
A
Okay,
then,
that
needs
to
go
to
the
chair
who's,
the
public
commenter,
oh
okay,
we
have
mr
patrick
fowler,
who
is
the
owner
of
firehouse
grill
who's,
wrote
in
support
of
allowing
customers
to
bring
dogs
on
patios
as
well
as
amy
morton,
who
is
the
owner
of
bound
kitchen
who
also
supports
the
ordinance?
Do
you
want
to
speak
at
this
time?
Or
do
you
want
to
speak
when
your
item
is
up?
A
A
There
is
an
sorry
amendment
I'm
making
to
the
agenda
for
public
records,
so
hs1,
which
is
the
handle
with
care
discussion,
is
going
to
be
held
over
to
our
next
meeting
as
well
as
hs2,
which
is
the
evanston
police
department,
dashboard
update
those
are
being
held
by
police
requests,
so
they
will
come
back
before
us
next
month,
and
so
that
brings
us
to
hs3,
which
is
animals
at
outdoor
cafes,
councilmember
kelly
made
a
referral
to
human
service
committee
to
discuss
state
and
local
ordinance
disallowing.
A
We
currently
have
disallowing
dogs
at
outdoor
cafes
and
just
for
members
of
the
committee
council,
member
kelly
had
a
couple
of
supporting
documents
that
she
asked
me
to
give
to
you
all.
So
I
sent
those
to
you
guys
earlier
today.
If
you
don't
have
them
just
let
me
know-
and
I
can
give
them
to
you
now,
but
you
didn't
have
a
chance
to
read
them.
Okay,
so
I
will
send
them
to
you
right
now,
but
councilmember
kelly
is
here.
She
wants
to
speak
to
this
item
and
then
we'll
have
discussion.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
think
this
is
just
a
wonderful
opportunity.
We
have
as
we
try
to
support
our
downs,
our
businesses,
our
small
businesses
and
our
restaurants,
and
it's
in
the
recovery
from
the
pandemic.
This
can
really
create
a
new
stream
of
clientele.
That's
so
important
right
now,
and
the
good
news
is
according
to
the
idph,
our
staff
has
contacted
them.
B
It
is
up
to
the
city
of
evanston
to
amend
our
code
to
create
a
variance
process
that
would
allow
dogs
at
outdoor
dining
establishments,
because
we
have
our
own
we're
one
of
the
few
communities
that
does
have
our
own
health
department.
We
can
do
this.
Our
idph
contacts
have
confirmed
that
we
do
not
need
approval
from
them
to
proceed.
The
variance
process,
of
course,
would
provide
evidence
that,
and
I
provided
some
documents
to
show
from
some
other
cities
that
have
done
this
in
other
states,
where
they
also
have
state
laws
against
it.
B
Where,
with
your
own
health
department,
you
can
provide
the
evidence
that
the
health
hazards
associated
with
dogs
and
outdoor
dining
establishments
are
mitigated
in
some
way
through
these
variants
in
these
application
forms
for
variance.
So
I
really
hope
we
can
move
this
along
swiftly
because
the
faster
we
do,
the
more
we
can.
You
know,
start
to
encourage
more
clientele
more
I'm
210,
restaurants,
with
dogs
for
those
restaurants.
That
would
like
to
apply
for
such
a
variant.
So
I
hope
we
can
move
it
forward
for
action
to
city
council.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
F
I
think
this
is
we've
heard
from
I've
heard
from
a
number
of
residents
business
owners
that
this
is
a
proposal
that
they
would
support.
I
guess.
G
Good
day,
members
of
human
services
committee,
ike
ogbo,
director
health
and
human
services
department,
the
evanston
health
and
human
services
department,
as
we
all
know,
is
a
certified
health
department
and
we
are
mandated
by
the
illinois
department
of
public
health
to
enforce
food
safety
codes
using
the
fda
code
and
specifically
in
the
fda
code.
It
disallows
animals,
particularly
dogs,
at
outdoor,
cafes
or
food
establishments.
G
Food
establishments,
according
to
our
ordinance,
is
also
an
outdoor
cafe,
because
that
becomes
an
extension
of
that
food
facility.
Specifically
in
the
fda
code.
It
does
illustrate
what
you
can
and
can't
have
at
all
at
a
restaurant
or
outdoor
cafe,
according
to
the
fda
code,
what's
allowed
or
fish
in
aquarium
tax
tanks
display
tanks,
service
animals
for
the
disabled
and,
of
course,
patrol
dogs
for
the
police
or
security
agents
and,
as
we
know,
service
animals
or
animals
that
are
trained
specifically
for
a
task
for
those
who
are
disabled,
comfort,
animals
or
emotional
animals.
G
Unfortunately,
do
not
qualify
as
comfort.
I
do
not
qualify
as
service
animals,
and
we
did
an
extensive
review
of
other
ordinances
of
nearby
communities
to
see
what
they
allow
and
disallow.
In
terms
of
animals
at
outdoor
cafes
or
food
establishments,
I
will
met,
for
example,
in
their
ordinance
day,
the
bar
having
dogs
at
the
outdoor
cafes
cook
county
as
a
whole,
the
bars
having
animals
at
the
outdoor
cafe,
including
skokie
and
other
nearby
municipalities.
G
G
So
that's
why
we
have
that
in
chicago
apart
from
chicago,
we
weren't
able
to
find
any
other
municipalities
where
state-of-the-art
ordinance,
that
they
allow
dogs
and
with
chicago's
cold.
Their
number
of
stipulations
that
a
restaurant
owner
will
have
to
meet
in
order
to
qualify
to
have
dogs
at
their
restaurants
or
outdoor
cafe.
G
G
I
also
spoke
to
our
state
colleague
in
regards
to
dogs
being
allowed
here
in
evanston,
and
although
she
did
state
that
a
variant
can
be
created
to
allow
that,
but
we
also
have
this
state
law
that
states
that
a
municipality
with
a
million
or
more
people
will
be
allowed
to
have
outdoor
cafe
with
dogs.
So
there's
some
conflicting
information
here
that
we
need
some
clarification
on
and
I'm
still
waiting
on
the
state
to
get
that
thorough
assessment
of
the
matter.
F
Questions,
thank
you
for
that
director
oppo.
For
that
summary,
my
question
is:
would
we
I
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
clear
in
the
memo,
were
you
suggesting
that
we
would
lose
our
certified
health
department
status
if
we
were
to
create
this
variance
and
allow
for
dogs
and
outdoor
cafes
is
that
your.
G
G
Well,
if
we
go
ahead
and
do
it
without
any
any
approval
so
to
speak,
or
if
there's
no
variance
that
we've
been
talking
about,
then
of
course
that
will
affect
our
standing
with
the
state
okay,
but
that
also
needs
to
be
clarified,
given,
if
there's
a
variance
that
is
created
and
this
state
law
that
says
a
municipality
with
a
million
people
would
be
allowed
to
have
outdoor
cafe.
So
that
needs
to
be
that
clarification
first
before
we
can
proceed
and.
F
Then
and
then
to
close
out
my
time
attorney,
george
brian
george,
have
you
is
it
your
understanding
that
we
have
the
home
rule
authority
to
allow
for
this
variance.
C
Thank
you
councilmember
reed,
so
the
one
million
exception
that's
in
the
illinois.
I
only
started
researching
this
a
few
hours
ago.
So
I'm
is
it
nobody's.
C
But
the
illinois
statute
that
allows
for
the
one
million
municipality
with
one
million
or
more
yeah.
Basically,
that
reads
like
an
exception
to
a
rule,
but
I
don't
see
any
rule
in
the
illinois
statutes.
What
I
think
is
happening
is
that
the
illinois
department
of
public
health
has
adopted
the
fda
food
code
as
part
of
the
illinois
department
of
health
regulations.
The
food
code
isn't
really
law,
it
isn't
federal
law,
it's
more
guidance,
but
it's
been
adopted
by
the
illinois
department
of
public
health,
so.
C
You
know,
as
mr
ogle
was
just
talking
about,
I
think
so
I
do
think
that
the
the
city
does
have
home
rule
authority
based
on
my
very
preliminary.
C
To
do
this,
but
I
do
think
just
to
be
safe.
You
know
doing
getting
the
project.
C
Doing
the
variances
and
everything
like
that,
it
would
be
the
safest
way
to
go
ahead,
but
in
and
of
itself
on
its
own,
I
don't
see
any
illinois
statute
that
forbids
this.
A
Any
more
questions
for
director
oakville,
so
I
you
know
being
a
dog
owner
who
never
takes
my
dog
out
to
eat.
I
do
support
this
and,
and
then
this
vein,
I
mean
again
with
our
businesses
obviously
coming
out
of
covet
19.
I
don't
want
to
just
go
willy-nilly
and
allow
everything,
but
we've
allowed
sidewalk
cafe
not
somewhat.
A
You
know
the
streets
to
be
cut
off
like
little
principal
and
all
those
things
which
we
hadn't
done
before
and
I
imagine
some
people
thought
that
was
going
to
be
a
disaster
and
it's
worked
out
well
right.
So
I
would
like
us
to
move
forward
on
that,
even
if
we
just
are
doing
it
for
this
summer.
Now
I
don't
want
us
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
going
to
be
risky
to
us
as
a
home.
You
know
as
a
municipality,
but
if
we
can
get
some
clarity,
maybe
mr
george
can
help
with
this.
A
If
you
can
get
some
clarity
on
kind
of
the
vagueness,
if
it's,
if
it's
cold
and
it's
just
kind
of
suggestive,
then
it
seems
like
we
can
do
it,
but
if
we
need
to
get
a
variance,
if
we
can
get
that
ball
rolling
with
the
variance
and
then
communicating
to
our
business
owners,
obviously
they
don't.
You
know
allowing
them
to
not
want
to
do
it
if
they
don't
want
to
do
it
at
their
restaurants.
I
think
that
that
would
be
key.
Every
restaurant
of
everything
about
sidewalk
cafes.
A
Everyone
is
not
already
big
enough
for
the
cheers
they
have
sometimes
so,
if
you
add
a
bunch
of
dogs,
so
if
we
want
to,
I
would
support
if
we
make
sure
that
restaurants
don't
have
to
accept
the
dogs,
okay,
okay,
so
then
they
would
each
they
would
each
apply
for
permission
or
yeah
or
whatever.
But
if
we
could
try
to
do
that,
for
this
limited
warm
weather,
we
have.
I
don't
know
how
fast
the
state
works
on
these
things,
and
then
we
can
revisit
this.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I'm
definitely
fine
with
supporting
this.
With
the
understanding
that
a
restaurant
has
to
apply
or
opt
in.
I
guess
we
can
say
it
multiple
different
ways,
but
my
curious
question.
I
I
haven't
researched
this
so
in
in
areas
that
they
are
denying
a
customer
service
right.
It
gets
real,
loosely
goosey
for
me,
so
I
want
to
be
real.
Mindful
of
what
we're
saying
yes
to
and
if
anybody
has
any
good
examples,
so
restaurant
or
you
know
it
could
be
a
weight
staff.
Is
it
a
manager?
H
Let's
just
be
clear
with
that,
and
then
what
is
that
consequences
when
the
cute
little
poodle
is
yapping
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
or
a
customer's
complaining
like?
What's
that
protocol
going
to
look
like
because
you
know
just
like
the
issue
with
the
beaches
like
somebody
has
to
enforce
that?
Is
it
a
police
officer?
That's
coming?
Is
it
a
fine?
That's
given,
so
I
I
don't
know
cosmo
kelly.
H
B
H
B
Are
a
few
examples
from
some
other
I
didn't
have
time
to
go,
but
from
a
few
other
states
and
cities
that
also
have
variances
to
their
state
health,
co,
their
state
codes,
sure
and
they're
pretty
lengthy.
What
you
have
to
sign
off
and
agree
to
in
terms
of
safety
and
health
protocol,
so.
H
A
I
think
some
public
education
even
to
restaurant
owners
to
say
they
they
write,
they
can
get
a
variance
if
they
want
to.
And
so,
if
someone
comes
with
their
dog
and
says
well,
the
place
down
the
street
has
one
they
they
can
say
yeah,
I
you
know
I
opted
not
to
get
the
variants
to
have
dogs
right.
H
G
So
this
is
not
just
a
state
code
due
through
the
adoption
of
the
fda
code.
This
is
also
a
city
code
violation
in
our
city
codes.
There
are
a
number
of
codes
that
disallows
dogs
at
restaurants.
So
when
we
are
having
this
conversation,
we
should
also
put
that
into
consideration
that
we'll
have
to
on
all
dose
codes
that
disallow
dogs
at
restaurants
and
outdoor
cafes.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
and
council
member
fleming
you
want
this
implemented
as
soon
as
possible.
I
I
don't
know
how
feasible
that
would
be,
because
we'll
have
to
create
applications.
We
actually
have
to
get
clarification
from
the
state
in
regards
to
the
1
million
and
the
to
see
what
their
final
statement.
A
I'm
yeah
I'm
not,
and
I'm
not
saying
like
bring
it
back
at
the
next
human
services
meeting.
I
just
know
we
deal
with
the
limited
amount
of
time
that
we
can
eat
outside
here.
So
I
was
saying
that
if
we
you
know,
if
we
can
do
the
legal
leg
to
see
what
we
need
to
do
legally,
you
know
that
we
start
working
on
it
right.
A
So
I
I
don't
mean
to
say
like
I
know
this
is
going
to
be
tomorrow
if
there
are
some
other
examples
of
other
cities
and
probably
chicago
in
terms
of
what
those
regulations
that
you
know
the
contracts
or
whatever
we
have
people
signing
off
on
it
seems
like
we
can.
We
can
figure
that
out.
You
know
I
just
again
through
covet,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
this
was
state
sponsored.
We
were
able
to
roll
out
some
things
we
hadn't
done
before
pretty
fast.
I
I
think
council,
member
fleming
you
were
starting
to
address
the
issues
I
was
wondering
about,
is:
how
quickly
can
we
move
this
forward
so
that
we
can
take
advantage
of
the
of
the
summer
months?
Are
there
is
it
could
we
call
it
a
pilot
and
not
have
to
amend
everything
in
sight?
So
I
you
know
I
just
and-
and
we
don't
want
to
have
to
wait
for
another
month
to
come
back
to
human
services
either.
So
if
we
could
sort
of
outline
a
a
pathway
forward.
F
Like
the
the
concerns
that
we
have
are
one
whether
or
not
this
jeopardizes
our
status
with
idph
and
I
think
that's
an
email
that
we
can
get
to
idph
and
say:
hey
is
this:
is
this
an
issue
and
so
that
shouldn't
be
too
concerning
director?
Ogbo
is
correct
in
mentioning
that
there
are-
and
I
think
he
put
in
the
memo
as
well,
that
there
are
ordinances
that
we
have
on
the
books
that
you
know
conflict
with
this,
and
I
think
we
just
you
know
as
we
write.
F
If
you
look
at
the
closing
statement
in
a
number
of
ordinances,
it'll
say
anything
that
conflicts
with
this
is
now
nullified,
so
we
don't
have
to
it'd,
be
great
to
go
and
find
everything
in
the
code,
but
we
can
implement
this
as
a
pilot
or
something
else
to
get
it
going
this
summer
without
having
to
do
too
much
heavy
lifting
in
the
application.
You
know
director
ogbo
mentioned
that
you
know
we
his
department
have
to
come
up
with
an
application.
I
think
again,
as
as
chairman
fleming
said,
you
know
chicago
does
this.
F
After
the
chicago
model,
because
it
exists,
I
think
there
are
actually
restaurants
that
I
won't
name
it
because
I
don't
want
to
get
them
in
trouble,
but
I
have
a
favorite
place
on
chicago
avenue
that
I
go
to
and
they
have
a
place
where
you
can
hook
your
dog
up,
and
I
sit
there
with
my
dog
and
have
lunch
sometimes,
and
so
I
think-
and
I
think
this
business
also
operates
in
chicago,
so
our
businesses
are
used
to
the
at
least
chicago
model,
so
we
can
take
off.
You
use
their
application.
A
And
then
I'm
going
to
go
to
council,
member
breakaway
and
then
kelly
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
can
kind
of
wrap
this
one
up.
H
Yeah
this
is
my
last
question,
comment
so
similar
to
apartments
that
have
you
know
they're
allowed
to
be
specific
in
terms
of
size
of
dog
and
breeds
of
dogs
that
they
don't
allow.
Will
the
in
the
research
that
you've
done?
Are
there
provisions
like
that?
That's
safe?
No,
no,
so
it
would
be
there.
It
would
basically
be
any
dog
in
the
owner.
Still
has
the
discretion
to
say.
G
Yes,
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
review.
We
have
to
review
the
space,
how
many
dogs
will
be
allowed
if
they're
going
to
be
designated
areas
for
dogs?
So
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
will
have
to
consider
before
the
implementation
of
this,
and
not
that
just
that
to
verify
from
idbh
regarding
the
state
statute
and
the
variance,
I
think,
that's
very,
very
important,
so.
E
A
B
Just
I
think,
there's
a
few
misunderstandings.
So
one
thing
is:
this
is
a
variance
just
like
a
p
like
when
you
have
a
plan
development
where
it's
going
and
zoning,
so
it
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
change
our
code
at
all.
It's
that
each
restaurant
applies
and
I've,
given
some
samples
of
those
forms
I'm
applying
for
variance.
So
we
don't
really
have
to
revise
our
health
code
and
we
just
they
apply
for
variance
to
it.
The
same
way
it's
just
like
zoning,
but
for
dogs
and
yeah,
and
I
have
provided
some
samples.
B
So
there
are,
you
know
many
cities
have
done
this
very
successfully
and
again
they
have
all
that
figured
out
in
terms
of
you
know
how
they,
how
they
handle
dogs
and
barking
and
dogs
that
are
not.
You
know
friendly.
So
that's
all
been
worked
out
many
times
and
so
we're
not.
We
don't
have
to
do
this
from
scratch.
D
G
So
we
adopt
the
fda
code
through
the
state,
so
all
certified
health
departments
use
eva
code,
and
here
in
evanston
we
adopt
that
fda
code,
which
the
state
has
approved.
The
reason
being
is
that
the
fda
code
provides
more
of
an
up-to-date
information
regards
to
science
and
inspections.
Prior
to
that,
our
inspection
codes
were
outdated.
G
A
All
right,
so
it
sounds
like
consensus
here
is:
we
are
interested
in
moving
this
forward,
even
as
a
pilot
program
looking
for
more
direction
from
our
law
department.
A
Obviously,
director
oppo,
whatever
you
can
do
to
you
know,
and
working
with
law
kind
of
figuring
this
out
what
the
variance
is,
if
we
can
kind
of
cut
and
pay
chicago
to
get
us
started
now.
The
only
issue
is
you
know,
I
want
to
respect
for
your
time.
I
know
we're
still
in
covit,
although
everyone's
you
know
out
and
about
so
we
potentially
that
you
know
this
meeting
would
be
again
in
july.
A
I
think
it
would
be
on
that
tuesday
after
the
holiday,
so
there
it
would
be
wednesday
because
we're
close
okay,
so
there's
always
a
chance
that
we
don't
meet
in
july
because
of
the
holidays,
and
so
I
guess
if
the
committee
is
good
with
that,
I
think
our
direction
is
to
start
moving
forward
to
get
this
moving
as
a
pilot
for
this
summer,
and
maybe
we
can
bypass
if
this
committee
doesn't
meet,
we
can
just
take
it
right
to
city
council,
so
it's
not
held
up
waiting
for
this
committee.
Yeah.
A
Okay
with
that,
I
think
we
should
so
I
don't
think
we're
not
going
to
take
a
vote
because
this
discussion,
but
that
is
our
direction
to
the
staff.
Okay,
all
right,
hs4,
food
truck
and
revenue
in
evanston
council
member
ree,
requested
human
services
committee
review
and
discuss
food
trucks
in
evanston.
There
was
a
memo
in
the
packet
councilmember
reed.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
F
Yes
again,
I
appreciate
the
memo
director
ogbo.
I
I
think
it
is
a
missed
opportunity
that
we
don't
allow
for
both
food
trucks
and
mobile
food
vendors
to
operate
on
our
lakefront.
F
Currently,
the
code
disallows
food
trucks
operating
on
our
lake
front,
and
I
think
we
should
make
a
an
effort
to
allow
for
both
food
trucks-
and
you
know,
like
the
hand,
push
carts
to
operate
right
on
the
lakefront,
and
you
know
I
see
the
memo
says
that
we
don't
receive.
C
F
Tax
revenue
currently
from
our
food
trucks-
and
I'm
wondering
I
I
don't
know
if
we
have
the
appropriate
staff
here
to
answer
this
question,
but
it
would
seem
like
we
would
be
able
to
charge
sales
tax
to
our
food
truck
vendors
or
capture
some
ongoing
revenue.
It
just
seems
like
it's
our
local
code
that
doesn't
charge
sales
tax,
so
maybe
attorney
george.
Are
you
able
to
opine
on
that.
C
I
would
have
to
do
research
on
that.
Okay,.
F
And
director
oboe
is
this
something
you're
familiar
with
well.
F
G
Doesn't
sound
like
we,
we
are,
what
we
charge
is
just
a
fee.
Yeah.
G
I
G
Well,
on
the
on
the
contrary
that
the
city
can
make
a
decision
whether
to
allow
food
trucks
or
not
at
the
lakefront,
we've
had
previously
a
number
of
concession
companies
at
our
lakefront
where
they
had
push
carts
and,
I
believe,
even
a
food
truck
at
one
point.
So
the
city
can
make
that
decision,
whether
to
allow
food
trucks
at
our
lakefront
or
at
our.
I
Beaches,
so
would
we
if
we
allowed
it,
would
we
have
a
limit
on
the
number
of
food
trucks,
probably.
I
Or
maybe,
or
maybe
the
companies
would
reserve
spaces
for
their
food
trucks
so
that
you
know
we'd
spread
them
out
over
the
community.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
number
of
lights
on,
so
I
think
that
mr
hemingway
would
like
to
speak,
maybe
to
the
beach
part
then
I'll
go
to
braceway.
Then
I
have
burns
and
read
again.
J
Thank
you,
council,
member
fleming
council
member
revealed
in
with
direct
response
to
you.
J
As
far
as
the
lakefront,
there
is
a
reference,
and
again
this
is
a
reference
in
the
lakefront
master
plan
that
talks
about
commercialization
of
the
lake
and
again
that's
just
I'm
giving
you
all
a
little
more
background
of.
You
asked
the
question
of
why
and
in
previous
years
prior
to
2019,
the
city
did
have
a
vendor
that
you
know
we
put
an
rfp
out
and
open
in
which
a
vendor
successfully
bid,
and
then
they
paid
the
city
a
fee
based
upon
revenue.
J
So
just
giving
you
a
little
background
on
some
of
that
from
a
department
perspective.
Thank
you.
Councilmember.
H
J
Well,
we
could
use
the
template
of
the
rfp
that
has
was
used
previously
to
allow
someone
what
the
plan
specifically
speaks
to
and
again
the
plan
is
2008
so
take
that
for
what
it
is.
But
the
plan
speaks
to
like
no
kitchen
space
on
the
lakefront
or
no
restaurant
with
the
kitchen.
H
H
J
Get
to
determine
that
right,
but
I
know
you
adopted
that
plan
in
oa,
and
so
that
was
in
existence,
and
so
there
was
some
practice
of
the
lack
of
commercialization.
So
that's
all.
H
Can
I
don't
know
if
this
requires
referral,
but
it's
just
a
thought
director
that
you
might
be
able
to
bring
back
in
a
real
fast
period
of
time.
You
serve
food
out
of
a
lot
of
our
community
services.
Community
spaces
right
and
I
see
the
lake
front
is
extension,
so
crown
has
a
community
kitchen.
Fleetwood
has
a
community
kitchen
and
there's
probably
a
few
more
that
I
could
name.
H
I
guess
my
point
is
just
use
your
best
judgment,
if
everybody's
okay
with
that
as
a
direction
and
just
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
sell
food
out
of
that
area,
no
different
that
we
do
at
james
park,
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
provide
that
space
to,
and
I
would
prioritize
an
evanston-based
business
to
be
able
to
sell
it.
H
I
think
what's
changed
and
what's
helped
to
open
up
my
mind:
is
it's
colbit
so,
like
everybody
like
it,
flipped
the
whole
planet
upside
down
right
and
there
are
people
who
know
how
to
make
money
they're
where
they're
places
where
we're
losing
money.
It
makes
sense
that
we
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
use
money
out
of
space.
I'm
going
to
switch
gears
and
get
back
to
the
chair
to
to
this
proposal
like
in
general,
I'm
I'm
I'm
for
it.
H
H
When
he's
gone,
you
don't
have
a
way
to
track
who
he's
feeding
when
johnny's
hot
dogs
are
gone,
and
then
we
have
a
bunch
of
people
that
are
sick
versus
some
of
our
other
restaurants,
who
are
currently
doing
that?
That
would
be
my
my
first
preference
and
then
absolutely
you
know
absolutely
if
we
can
collect
tax
revenue
from
the
people
who
are
currently
having
storefront.
You
know
having
a
place
here.
I
think
that
would
be
my
priority
if
we're
going
to
roll
this
out
as
a
pilot.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
I'm
going
to
go
to,
I
know
you
have
your
light
on
what
burns
has
been
spoken,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
burns
and
then
read.
D
F
Yeah
so
particularly,
you
know,
johnny's
hot
dogs
comes
in,
they
have
to
register,
they
have
to
provide
a
license
to
the
city,
so
we
would
be
able
to
track
them
if
they're
operating
in
evanston
part
of
the
licensing
process
would
say
you
understand
what
our
local
health
code
is
and
you're
going
to
comply
with
our
local
health
coach.
So
so
that
certainly
is
going
to
be
the
case
here
and
also
yeah.
I
I
totally
agree
with
you.
F
We
should
make
sure
that
we're
giving
a
preference
for
evanston
based
enterprise
businesses
and
enterprises
and
mwe,
all
of
that,
we
should
make
sure
we
make
a
preference
for
that,
but
also
wouldn't
want
us
to
cut
off
opportunities
from
more
established.
I
think
chicago,
for
example,
has
more
of
a
food
truck
scene.
In
fact,
we
don't
have
a
food
truck
seen
here
in
evanston.
F
We
have
you
know
like
la
cosanita,
who
has
a
food
truck
that
occasionally
operates
at
events,
but
I
think
if
we
can
bring
in
some
of
the
vendors
who
are
in
chicago
or
other
places
that
are
used
to
operating,
that
can
help
us
get
the
ball
rolling
a
bit
faster
and
particularly
as
this
is
a
pilot.
I
think
the
first
thing
would
be
to
to
really
just
look
at
you.
C
F
What
you
know,
what
kind
of
revenue
can
this
bring
in?
If
it's
done
right,
you
know
what
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
or
some
of
the
issues
that
may
arise
just
by
allowing
these
food
trucks
and
then
I
think,
down
the
line.
We
can
tailor
it
to
make
sure
that
we're
encouraging
evanston
businesses
to
get
what
I
believe,
as
alderman
ravel
said,
I'm
totally
in
line
with
this,
we
should
have
a
limited
number
of
licenses
that
can
be
issued
per
year.
F
If
folks,
don't
like
what
you're
selling
and
you're
not
selling
stuff,
then
your
license
lapses
and
somebody
else
can
come
in
and
claim
that,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
model
that
we
should,
I
think
dc
has
something
I
know
dc
has
a
when
I
was
there
pretty
robust
food
truck
scene,
and
so
I
think,
if
we
can
get
that
happening
at
our
lakefront,
that
would
be
great.
F
We
can
move
this
forward
similar
to
the
dog
proposal,
so
we
can
get
it
implemented
for
this
summer,
particularly
as
next
summer
we
already
have.
The
council
is
committed
to
looking
at
making
the
beaches
free
next
summer,
so
we
should
start
looking
at.
How
can
we
bring
in
our
revenue
and
what
is
viable?
I
mean
now.
I
saw
that
the
best
year,
just
with
the
pure
500
licensing
fee,
we
made
10
000.
Some
odd
dollars
is
what
I
recall,
and
so
how
can
we?
F
You
know,
make
that
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
you
know
or
more
so
I'd
love
to
get
this
roll
in
this
year.
So
we
can
begin
to
get
some
of
that
data
and
and
fine-tune
it
for
for
next
year,
when
we
may
really
need
this
revenue.
D
D
Restaurant
lobby
is
stronger
in
different
areas,
but
I
would
imagine
just
for
the
sake
of
parity
that
we
would
also
you
know
getting
some
revenue
from
from
our
fruit
fruit.
Food
truck
owners
would
not
be.
You
know,
unduly
burdensome.
I
think
that's
you
know
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
that's
a
that
makes
sense
to
me.
I
just
unless
I'm
not
thinking
about
it.
Clearly
I
don't
know
if
that's.
H
Not
I
mean,
I
think
I
don't
agree
with
the
tax
like
the
question
is
how
do
you
collect
that
tax
from
somebody
that
has
like
a
little?
What
do
you
call
those
things
you
like
a
swipe
or.
F
That's
the
greatest
way:
if
we,
if
they're
swiping
and
squaring,
then
we
definitely
have
records
that
will
produce
the
sales
tax,
but
if
they're
using
cash,
then
it's
a
bit.
H
Harder,
yes,
that's
my
point:
yeah
you
can
have
multiple
devices
on
your
phone
to
cheat
the
system.
Hence
my
concern
with
like
outside
vendors,
but
I
I.
A
H
H
Let's
make
sure
that
before
we
allow
that
that
it's
a
clear
way
that
I
have
a
cell
phone
and
I
could
have
multiple
devices
that
I
could
run
off
of
different
numbers-
let's
make
sure
that
it's
like
tom
trump,
I
don't
even
say
trump
type,
but
I'm
referring
to
a
card
game,
not
the
president
that
we
have
like
a
clear
mechanism
to
get
that
sales
tax,
because
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
councilman
reid.
That's
what
you're
looking
for
to
generate
revenue,
and
we
want
to
be
precise
with
that.
A
Right
so
here's
another
proposal
not
to
stray
too
far,
but
I
think
you're
right
alderman.
You
know
we
want
the
sales
tax,
but
there's
ways
people
they
have
figured
out
not
to
pay
sales
tax.
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
do
it
at
the
lakefront,
we
need
to
have
designated
spaces
like
we
tried
to
do
at
james
park,
or
we
have
food
truck
spaces
that
nobody
ever
really
came
to,
but
we'd
have
designated
spaces
where
food
trucks
are
allowed
to
park.
A
I
mean
this
might
be
a
pain
in
the
tail,
but
you
know
we
can.
We
can
schedule
them
so
folks
aren't
fighting
over
those
spaces,
but
also
because
it
is
premium
space
and
because
the
sales
tax
might
be
a
little
bit
wonky.
If
we're
trying
to
kick
this
off
right
now,
we
could
have
premium
parking.
So
if
I
have
my
food
truck
and
I
want
a
license-
and
I
want
to
sell
at
the
beach-
my
license
is
a
thousand
dollars.
You
know
we
could
make
it
a
premium
price
for
the
license.
A
While
we
figure
out
the
sales
tax
things,
we
don't
want
to
lose
sales
tax.
We
also
want
to
gain
revenue
right.
So
if
we're
charging
you
a
thousand
twelve
hundred
dollars
to
come
park
at
the
beach
and
you're
at
clark
street,
you
know
we're
probably
going
to
lose
a
couple
dollars
in
sales
tax.
We've
gained
you
parking
there
and
we
could
even
stagger
that
if
you
want
to
be
a
prime
time
space
at
a
prime
time
beach
and
it's
a
higher
cost
right,
so
I
think
there's
a
way
we
could
maybe
get
this
going.
A
I
do
know
that
we
struggle
with
our
evanston
food
trucks
from
what
I've
seen.
We
don't
have
that
many.
I
don't
know
why
that
is
and
when
we've
tried
to
get
them.
When
I
try
to
get
mr
hemingway
to
get
them
at
ninth
world
events,
they
want
to
like
guarantee
that
we're
gonna
have
a
million
people
eating,
which
I
can't
guarantee
you
right,
but
if
they
are
smart
and
they
know
what
our
beach
population
is,
even
people
are
riding
bikes
who
are
not
at
the
beach
like
myself
will
stop
at
a
food
truck.
A
I
remember
we
had
the
thing
ottoman
breakaway
with
the
lady
in
the
hot
dog
stand
and
there
was
some
other
issues
there
I
mean
I
think
it'll
be
great
to
bring
a
local
person
to
do
that.
I
think
she's
moved
out
of
town
she's
been
my
ward,
but
I
do
think
you
know.
A
But
if
I
had
a
food
truck,
I
would
happily
pay
to
park
it
at
clark
street
on
a
saturday,
and
I
would
pay
you
quite
a
bit,
especially
if
I'm
not
paying
any
sales
tax
to
you
right,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
way
we
can
do
this
and
monetize
on
it
for
this
year
and
then
again
improve
upon
it
by
the
years
after
I
don't
know
what
the
parking
situation
is.
It's
always
sticky
at
the
beach,
but
I
feel
like
we
can
carve
out
one
space.
A
A
H
A
Than
they're
supposed
to,
but
maybe
we
just
put
hours
on
it-
maybe
it's
a
thursday
through
monday
operation
and
it's
you
know,
12
to
5
or
whatever
it
is
right.
I
mean,
I
think
we
can
make
it
work
for
folks,
but
then
also
not
exacerbate
ike's
team
and
kicking
up
a
whole
bunch
of
new
licenses,
and
then
you
know
our
poor
little
beach.
Token
collectors
who
now
have
to
you
know
tell
you
to
move
your
food
truck
out
to
space
or
something
right.
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
make
it
a
horrible
experience.
G
We
have
to
provide
an
attractant
to
the
the
food
truck,
as
you
mentioned,
councilmember
fleming.
The
issue
that
we've
had
over
the
years
is
attracting
these
food
trucks
to
our
events,
they
would
rather
pay
what
we
call
the
temporary
food
permit,
rather
than
getting
a
license
here
in
evanston.
Currently
we
have
three
active
licenses
in
everson,
and
that
speaks
volumes
and
most
of
the
food
trucks
that
come
to
evanston
are
from
chicago
because
there
is
a
market
for
the
in
chicago.
G
A
Park
to
get
some
random,
you
know
you
know
little
league
people
to
buy
from
them
right.
We've
never
offered
them
the
opportunity
to
go
where
we
know
there's
a
massive
people,
and
so
I
see
that
your
temporary
license
is
111,
which
is
kind
of
a
weird
number,
but
there's
a
way
we
can
work
with
that
right.
Maybe
you
have
a
temporary
beach
license
and
every
time
you
want
to
come
and
park
at
our
beach,
you
sign
up
for
space
and
you
pay
this
license.
Each
time
you
come.
A
F
More
examples
forward
and
I'll
just
say:
I
think
your
idea,
you
know
for
this
year
having
just
a
straight
licensing
fee
and
a
parking
fee,
makes
it
simpler
for
this
year.
I
think
with
the
data
we
could
collect.
Is
we
ask
people?
You
know
what
was
your
sales
value
and
that's
a
part
of
getting
so
we
can
figure
out
what
is
is
successful?
What's
not
successful
and
I
think
in
the
future.
F
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
do
base
your
ability
to
operate
based
on
the
sales
tax
revenue
that
you're
generating
that
way.
If
you're,
cheating,
us
and
you're
not
giving
us
our
sales
tax,
then
likely
the
business
that
is
is
going
to
be
generating
more,
which
means
that
they
get
that
premium.
You
know.
D
Just
because
I
don't
think
I've
finished
this
full
thought
when
I
said
parody,
I
mean
purity
just
make
sure
there's
parody
between
brick
and
mortar
restaurants.
I
don't
think
I've
named
it
brick
and
mortar
and
food
trucks,
because
what
we've
seen
in
other
markets
is
that
it
once
once
you
start
to
expand
the
food
truck
program,
there's
a
feeling
like
they
have
an
unfair
advantage.
I
don't
think
that
might
be
the
case
here,
because
we're
just
talking
about
along
the
lakefront
and
not
necessarily
downtown.
D
A
A
C
G
A
I
think
so
I
think
where
are
we
are?
We
all
think.
Basically,
you
think
it
would
be
okay
to
work
with
parking
figure
out
a
space
for
trucks
to
be,
and
we
can
figure
out
some
kind
of
temporary
day
license
or
something
that
they
can
get
to
park
there,
and
this
would
be
you
know,
july
august,
august
september.
I
don't
know
when
the
beach
is
closed
and
again
I'm
also
thinking
it
would.
Maybe
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
not
have
it
every
day.
A
J
Again,
don't
want
to
come
off
or
come
off,
not
being
supportive,
because
that's
not
the
case,
but
just
this
past
weekend
we
we
there's
a
you
know.
We
ran
off
a
vendor
this
weekend
who
doesn't
have
a
license
and-
and
I
just
I
wanna
you
know,
on
the
operational
side-
it's
got
to
be.
You
know,
I
think
you
know
I
can,
as
well
as
the
parks
and
rec
staff.
J
A
D
A
Know
how
much
those
things
cost
to
make?
I
feel
like
we
are
a
smart
city
if
you
buy,
if
I
buy
license
on
the
saturday
for
the
beach
there's
some
kind
of
big
old
thing
I
gotta
put
in
my
window
right,
I
mean
I
feel
like
we
can
make
and
then,
if
they're,
also
paying
through
park
evanston
the
park
there,
I
mean,
I
think
that
there's
ways
we
can
make
this
happen
and
he'd
much
rather
pay
our
fee.
I
imagine
that
may
run
off
and
can't
come
back
again
sure.
A
G
F
Then
just
last
note
that
not
just
discussing
food
trucks
but
allowing
for
those
push
carts.
You
know
kind
in
chicago
they're,
known
as
like
their
lotte
people
or
whatever
to
push
their
palette
or
whatever
they're
called
folks
to
be
able
to
push
their
carts
along
the
lake
front.
But.
F
F
D
No,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
think
we
shouldn't
delay
starting
research
on
or
exploring
sales
tax.
No.
A
G
Because
I'm
not
entirely
certain
regarding
the
tech,
the
sale
taxes
and
how
much
work
that
was
yeah.
A
C
A
A
Not
working
on
this
one
happy
to
work
with
you.
Thank
you
for
volunteering.
All
right
last
is
hs5,
which
is
the
media
amida
behavioral
health
update.
So
this
was
just
something
I
asked
for
again
no
hierarchy,
but
for
the
new
folks
we
have
a
contract
with
the
media
automobile,
and
I
have
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
looking
at
it
and
following
their
numbers
in
our
alternatives
to
9-1-1
committee.
So
I
just
kind
of
want
to
see
what
their
numbers
are.
Looking
like.
Now
we
pay
them.
Is
it
100?
A
Right
and
it
was
initially
for
a
crisis
line,
but
now
it's
kind
of
evolved
into
other
mental
health
services.
You
know,
I
know
that
the
staff
there
has
done
a
lot
in
the
latino
spanish-speaking
community,
which
I
appreciate.
I
think
what
I
would
like.
I
would
love
to
see
us
think
through
in
this
contract,
because
I
know
for
a
while.
Their
call
volume
was
down
on
the
crisis
line
and
I
think
they've
been
working
on
that.
A
Unfortunately-
and
so
I
would
love
it
if
amita
can
think
through
it,
just
as
they
did
reaching
out
to
the
latinx
community,
doing
some
kind
of
targeted
outreach
to
families
to
let
them
know
this
line
is
available
and
that
they
have
clinicians
who
can
work
with
young
people
and
then
as
well
being
able
to
talk
about
what
long-term
support
would
look
like
for
young
people
under
our
contract,
because
I
think
that
you
know
we're
going
to,
unfortunately
continue
to
see
a
rise
in
those
support
services
needed
given
the
pandemic,
and
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
can
utilize
this
contract
a
little
more
in
that
space.
A
G
A
A
All
right,
so
those
are
our
items
for
discussion.
Do
we
have
anything
for
communication
or
any
referrals?
We
need
to
make
all
right,
so
I
will
email
you
all
myself
and
staff
about
taking
the
consensus
for
the
july
meeting
if
we
want
to
have
that
or
not.
A
As
far
as
I
understand,
we
have
two
items
which
would
be
the
dashboard
and
the
handle
with
care
that
we
still
have
in
this
committee,
as
well
as
any
pending
police
complaints,
if
they're
ready
and
come
to
this
committee,
so
we
can
talk
about
all
three
of
those
things
at
another.
Human
can.
A
F
Yes,
one
question
is:
does
human
services
have
to
meet
on
mondays?
It
seems
as
though
this
is
a
committee
that
could
meet
some
other
day
of
the
week,
so
we're
not
loading
councilmember.