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B
A
C
A
A
E
Chair,
chair
fleming,
yes,
I
see
only
miss
esther
and
karen
courtright
was
the
other
one
and
she
was
online
earlier,
but
then
she
dropped
off.
I
think
due
to.
A
The
length
yes
and
I
see
that
she
sent
me
an
email
with
her
public
comments,
so
I
will
read
karen
courtright's
public
comments
and
she
did
have
to
leave
with
the
late
start
of
our
meeting.
But
first
I'm
going
to
call
approval
of
the
minutes
for
the
regular
meeting
hs1.
D
A
Aye
alma
reed
aye
all
right.
Thank
you
remember.
Excuse
me.
I
will
not
read
public
comment
from
miss
karen
courtwright
who
have
to
leave
tonight.
You
are
discussing
in
the
squad
room
and
I
am
not
aware
of
any
prior
conversation
in
your
committee,
so
I
will
simply
state
my
observations
of
this
publication.
It
alludes
me
what
legitimate
purpose
this
serves.
I
don't
know
how
it
has
been
quote:
unquote
helpful
to
the
community.
No
evidence
is
cited
for
the
statement
made
by
staff.
A
I
have
written
to
epd
many
times
about
what
I
perceive
to
be
biased
language
and
practices
in
the
publication.
I
have
written
asking
that
suspects
not
be
described
by
physical
characteristics,
since
it
serves
no
purpose
except
in
post-hoc
community
communications.
One
person
has
written
this
for
years
and
years.
If
you
all
think
it
does
serve
a
legitimate
purpose,
perhaps
we
can
hire
journalists
from
north,
the
daily
northwestern
the
only
unbiased
reporting
in
town
tonight.
You
review
a
citizen
complaint
about
what
I
will
call
quote:
unquote:
white
privileged
treatment
during
a
traffic.
A
A
Sorry,
I'm
losing
my
place
here.
Oh
all,
underage
had
been
drinking,
yet
nothing
happened,
no
breathalyzer,
no
citations,
nothing!
The
cprc
sent
the
complaint
back
to
ops
three
times
to
ensure
the
investigation
was
complete
and
that
the
recommendations
aligned
with
the
findings.
I
want
to
thank
commander
glue
and
new
commander
warnock
for
their
persistence
in
hearing
the
very
real
concerns
of
the
commission.
Again,
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
for
their
fort
right
and
righteous
effort
to
fulfill
their
responsibilities
to
ensure
that
citizen
complaints
are
properly
investigated.
A
Keep
up
the
good
work,
cprc,
that's
from
miss
courtright,
okay.
So
ms
esther
would
like
to
comment
with
the
discussion
item.
We
have
no
items
for
consideration,
so
first
up
is
hsc,
which
is
in
the
squad
room.
The
staff
will
be
responding
to
the
committee's
request
for
information
regarding
this
publication.
A
F
Chair
members
of
the
human
services
committee,
city
staff
and
residents
in
attendance,
thank
you
for
having
me
jason,
garner,
commander
evanston
police
department.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here.
I
hope,
to
aid
in
your
discussion
of
in
the
squadron
tonight.
F
It
features
a
variety
of
topics,
including
reader
questions,
traffic
safety
and
other
educational
material,
such
as
how
to
use
text
to
tick.
For
example,
we've
been
doing
this
since
2013,
we
publish
weekly
with
a
few
exceptions
during
the
year,
and
we
pay
a
civilian
resident
author
110
dollars
per
post.
Currently.
F
F
F
There's
repeat
information
which
includes
information
for
the
ongoing
gun,
buyback
a
section
for
in
a
link
for
people
to
submit
questions
or
concerns
links
to
recovered
property
or
how
to
go
about
finding
your
property
if
it's
been
reported,
lost
or
stolen
links
to
crime
reports,
including
monthly
statistics,
the
daily
crime
bolton
and
the
police
dashboard
and
then
finally,
ending
with
a
link
about
information
on
our
citizens,
police
academy.
F
F
Generally
speaking,
there's
a
desire
for
more
detail
about
crimes
and
offenders
still
at
large.
However,
interestingly,
that
becomes
more
neutral
for
information
on
people
charged
with
crimes
approximately
three-fourths
rate,
the
style
is
appropriate
and
have
an
excellent
overall
opinion
of
the
publication.
A
A
No
okay!
Well,
I
will
give
you
my
so
thank
you
for
this.
I
I
do
have
a
some
concern
about
one
that
started
in
2013
and
that
we
have
one
citizen
who
was
doing
this.
I
think
it's
probably
if
we
decide
we
want
to
continue
this
worthwhile
to
see
if
there's
another
citizen
who
wants
to
do
it,
you
know
just
so.
We
always
have
a
fresh
pair
of
eyes
and
we
have
different
perspectives.
Different
things,
people
are
going
to
write
about
versus
one
person,
who's
been
writing
for
several
years.
A
You
know
I
do
share
some.
I
have
not
read
it.
I
will
say
you
know,
I
don't
read
it
weekly,
but
there's
times
when
I
do
peruse
it,
and
I
know
that
you
know
there's
been
some
things
that
I
mentioned
and
I'm
just
like.
Oh,
why
is
that
in
there
so
between
the
person
when
the
citizen
writes
it?
Who
does
it
go
to
and
like
what
is
a
screening
mechanism
to
make
sure
confidential
stuff
is
not
shared?
It's
not
bias
like
whose
job
is
that
how
much
staff
time
is
going
into
this.
F
F
A
You
do
okay,
councilman.
Thank
you.
G
F
G
So
other
members
of
the
public
can't
go
to
those
meetings.
Is
that
do
you
know
why
that's
not
open
to
the
public?
The
deployment
meetings.
F
Confidential
information
shared
at
those
meetings
related
to
law
enforcement
activity
and
crime
reports.
That's.
G
What
I
figured
and
so
then
what
authorization
does
this
person
have
to
sit
in
on
those
meetings?
If,
if
my
sister
or
some
other
member,
the
public
can't
go
in,
how
did
we
clear
this
person
too,.
F
Right,
it
was
as
a
part-time
paid
individual,
whose
job
was
to
author.
The
weekly
newsletter
on
behalf
of
the
department.
G
So
she's,
whoever
does
this-
I
don't
even
know
who
the
person,
but
this
person
is
an
employee
of
the
city,
is
what
you're
saying
they
are
a
part-time
employee.
F
They're
compensated
by
the
city,
I
don't
think
they'd
be
described
as
a
employee,
but
they
submit
invoices
for
the
post
that
they
complete
and
then
they're
paid.
Accordingly.
G
Okay,
so
so
this
doesn't
appear
that
this
person's
an
employee
to
say
they
get
to
sit
in
on
these
confidential
meetings
that
other
members
of
the
public
I'm
somewhat
uncomfortable.
With
this
I
mean
there's
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
members
of
the
public.
You
know
with
concert.
You
know
that
was
raised
by
ms
courtright
who's,
a
resident
in
my
ward
and
other
folks
that
you
know,
aside
from
the
concerns
about
the
by
you
know
what
people
perceive
as
bias
reporting
what
people
receive
perceive.
As
you
know,
all
of
that
stuff.
G
I
am
concerned
about
the
confidentiality,
and
you
know
that
this
system,
where
we
have
this
person,
who's
able
to
sit
down
in
these
confidential
meetings,
that
a
regular
member
of
the
public
couldn't
and
then
you
know,
kind
of
discerning
that
into
what
has
been
termed
by
a
number
of
folks.
Is
you
know
the
not
fair
reporting
so.
G
H
G
A
From
I
think
it
was
yourself
no.
A
A
For
you
know,
however
long
this
person's
been
doing
this,
you
know
I
would
much
rather
if
we
think
this
is
a
valuable
tool
and
not
that
staff
don't
have
enough
to
do,
but
that
we
have
an
officer
who
does
a
summary
that
is
just
very
cut
and
dry.
You
know
this
many
cases
this
is
the
you
know.
Bike
stuffs
are
high.
You
know
the
very
kind
of
detail,
but
just
pertinent
information
that
then
our
staff
can
send
out.
So
something
like
we
used
to
do
for
the
council
notes
right.
A
It
just
was
like
just
very
bullet
points,
just
vague,
but
enough
for
people
to
know
what's
happening,
that
our
staff
sends
out
because
you're
already
there-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
how
we
would
hopefully
don't
decompensate
somebody,
but
I
just
have
concerns
about
a
citizen
who's
been
paid
to
do
this.
It's
it's
still
requiring
you
to
edit
it
and
stuff
which
I'm
glad
you're
doing,
but
is
it
really
serving
the
purpose
right?
A
A
H
H
I
mean
just
following
this
this
issue.
I
think
people
really
had
concerns
about
that.
The
the
you
know
circulation
of
individual
arrests
as
opposed
to
things
that
are
just
happening
at
large
or
someone
who
is
you
know
someone
who
hasn't
been
apprehended
there's
been
issues
around
it,
but
that's
that's
my
concern
and
then
following
this
issue,
I
think
that
was
has
always
been
the
core
concern.
H
H
It
successfully
informs
people
in
the
way
they
would
like
to
see,
and
therefore
you
see
a
lot
of
engagement,
so
I
mean
we
can
discuss
who
should
be
in
the
you
know
in
the
deployment
meeting,
and
you
know
what
member
of
the
media,
if
there
should
be
a
member
of
the
media
or
how
how
we
should
appoint
that
person,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
that.
If
it's,
my
biggest
concern
is,
if
it
has
individual
arrests,
if
we're
not,
if
that's
not
in
this
particular
newsletter,
then
I'm
pretty
neutral
on
it.
H
G
I
think
that's
next
month
the
daily.
A
A
That
was
a
referral
that
was
made
that
should
be
coming
up.
I
don't
have
it
memorized,
oh
okay,
okay,
go
ahead,
found
some
royal
and
then
read.
D
Oh
well,
I
I
just,
I
think
the
concept
of
this
newsletter
is
a
good
one,
and
it
does
seem
as
though
there
are
residents
who
appreciate
receiving
this
kind
of
information
and-
and
it
is
more
than
just
a
simple
bullet
of
action
items
it
has
some.
You
know,
residents
can
submit
questions
and
you
know
so
it.
So
it's
an
engaging
piece,
but
you
know
if
there
are
particular
ways
that
it's
written
that
we
find
objectionable.
You
know
we
should
be
giving
direction
to.
G
Speaking
of
that,
I
think,
speaking
of
that,
I
think
we
should
make
some
direction,
and
one
is,
I
think,
in
this
newsletter,
we
should
not
include
names
of
folks
in
our
community
unless
there's
some
manhunt
for
some
guys.
You
know
on
a
spree
then,
and
we
need
to
get
the
information
out
there.
But
if
it's
just
a
kind
of
one
and
done
case,
someone
was
arrested
for
whatever
kind
of
low-level
non-violent
crime.
G
G
That
requires
confidentiality.
I
don't
know
if
currently
there
is
a
contract
that
requires
that,
with
the
writer
they're
sitting
in
through
what
we
consider
to
be
a
confidential
meeting,
that's
not
open
to
the
public,
so
there
should
be
some
kind
of
formal
written
letter
holding
that
person
to
that
confidentiality
and
then
secondly,
I'll
advocate
for
my
resident,
who
made
a
public
comment.
I
do
think
we
should
have.
G
You
know
this
should
be
a
contract
that
comes
up
every
so
often
or
we
should
have
a
cycle
of
folks.
I
think
maybe
members
of
bonafide
media
organizations
should
be
allowed
to
sit
in
on
these
meetings.
Again
with
that,
you
know
confidentiality
clause
and
getting
approved
whatever
is
released
by
the
police.
G
Getting
some
having
some
input
from
the
police
department,
and
so
you
know
I'd
love
to
see
daily
northwestern.
You
know
any
other
bona
fide
media
organization
in
the
city
that
has
an
editorial
board.
You
know
be
allowed
to
participate
in
this
as
well.
A
A
H
Good,
I
think
that
would
be
weird
to
have
the
editor
at
the
police
department
and
an
editorial
board
that
you
respond
to.
So
I
think
it's
one
of
the
other,
if
we're
going
to
have,
if
we're
going
to
keep
it
the
way
similar
to
what
it
is,
I
think
it
probably
should
be.
H
G
H
Their
editor,
as
far
as
I
understand
it,
would
be
a
police
commander.
I
don't
even
know
if
they
would
want
to
do
that.
You
know
what
I
mean.
So
I
think
if,
if
the
editor
is
going
to
be
somebody
from
the
police
department,
it
should
be
a
you
know,
an
employee
or
a
contractor,
that's
working
for
and
with
the
police
department.
A
A
F
A
Okay,
so
is
the
I
guess
perspective
of
this
committee
that
we
would
like
not
an
outside
person.
Writing
this
and
and
one
of
our
staff
writing
it
or
I
don't
the.
I
will
just
tell
you
that
I
will
not
support
a
reporter
writing
this,
because
then
we
have
the
same
issue
we
have
now,
which
is
someone
who
is
not
a
staff
of
ours
who
is
now
you
know,
receiving
potentially
confidential
information,
and
all
that
things
that
you
know
might
happen
with
that
information.
A
So
other
people
who
have
an
opinion
up
here
is:
is
it
the
I'm
trying
to
kind
of
wrap
this
up?
So
we
feel
like
we
like
this
to
keep
going,
but
we
would
like
maybe
staff,
to
take
the
reins
more.
Are
we
okay
with
someone
else.
D
A
Okay,
councilmember
reed
and
then
we're
going
to
try
to.
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
know,
if
that's
the
goal
of
citizen
input
is
the
goal,
and
you
know
citizen
participation
is
the
goal.
I
think
that's
a
great
goal,
but
I
just
think
then
we
need
to
cycle
through
who
the
citizens
are,
that
are
allowed
to
be
there
or
have
some
kind
of
clear
process
where
it's
not
one
person
for.
A
Right,
20
years,
yeah,
okay.
So
this
is
a
discussion
item,
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
summarize
it
sounds
like
we're
good
with
what
we
have
except
for
we
would
like,
and
I
don't
know
because
I
don't
this
person's
on
a
contract.
If
it's
just
been
you
know,
employment
at
will,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
their,
what
their
terms
are
when
they
started
at
the
least
it's
worth
in
making
sure
that
we
have
some
things
written
up.
We
have
the
non-disclosure.
A
I
do
think
after
all
this
time
it
is
probably
best
for
us
as
a
city
to
go
ahead,
and
I
don't
want
to
do
an
rfp
or
how
far
we
want
to
make
this,
but
to
see
if
there
are
other
citizens
who
might
want
to
engage
and
have
this
position,
you
know
we
we
always
want
to
have
you
know
if
we're
doing
citizen
engagement
having
one
person
and
one
role
for
a
long
time
is
probably
not
the
best
way
to
do
that.
So
I
would.
A
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we,
you
know
you
guys,
can
talk
to
legal
or
hr,
how
you
have
to
do
about
how
we
can
think
about
getting
another
citizen
who
might
be
interested
in
taking
this
role,
and
you
might
find
you
have
nobody,
and
so,
therefore,
you
still
have
the
same
person
but
for
sure
getting
the
non-disclosure
and
some
parameters
around
what
should
be.
You
know
some
training
with
them.
What
can
be
involved?
What
shouldn't
be
involved?
A
I
appreciate
you
editing
it,
but
hopefully
you're
not
having
to
edit
out
things
that,
ideally,
this
person
knows
should
not
be
in
the
publication
already,
particularly
to
ms
cartwright's
point
about
physical
descriptions
of
folks
and
leaving
the
names
out.
I
think
it's
something
that
we
all
agree
should
be
done,
even
if
they've
been
convicted,
probably
we'll
see
that
in
the
daily
crime
bulletin,
as
it's
written
thus
far
I'll
see
it
somewhere
else,
maybe
doesn't
need
to
come
out
of
this.
This
reporting
is
that
enough
direction
for
you
off
right
now.
I
Yeah,
just
as
a
piece
of
information,
the
the
our
local
media
outlets
northwestern
and
they
especially
northwest
that's
come
up
a
couple
times.
They
get
our
bladder,
they
check
it
when
it
comes
out
and
then
they'll
file,
they
have
people
assigned
to
check
that
already
and
then
they'll
follow
up
so
like
evanston,
now
and
and
the
trib
and
stuff
like
that,
they're
following
the
buyer.
I
So
as
far
as
reporters
reviewing
the
same
information
that
is
going
on
now
and
they
contact
us
as
needed
things
that
they're
interested
in
and
then
we'll
share
that
information,
so
that
that
aspect
is
something
that's
already
in
existence
through
the
blotter
but
not
through
in
the
squadron.
A
F
And
I'll
just
I'll
just
add
for
the
record.
You
know
after
that
survey,
obviously
from
time
to
time,
you're
not
going
to
help
but
get
some
complaints,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
positive
responses
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
the
efforts
that
that
author
has
put
in
over
the
years.
We
really
appreciate
it
at
the
department
and
I
think,
there's
a
number
of
community
members
that
have
appreciated
it
as
well.
A
C
C
C
A
All
right,
thank
you,
chief
burns
at
at
some
point
when
you
put
out
a
correspondence,
can
you
just
address,
or
do
you
want
to
do
that
now
in
terms
of
deployment
open
and
closed.
J
J
So
we
have
not
had
the
public
other
than
the
editor
for
the
in
the
squad
room
attending
deployment
meetings
for
a
very
long
time,
at
least
since
about
maybe
last
year
when
we
had
complaints
from
residents
and
also
internally,
that
we
should
not
be
having
just
anybody
from
the
community
attending
those
meetings
due
to
the
confidentiality
and
extremely
sensitive
nature
of
information,
we
were
releasing.
The
purpose
of
those
meetings
are
so
that
we
will
know
how
to
deploy
our
resources,
and
also
it
speaks
to
a
lot
of
information.
That's
already
occurred
and
about
to
occur.
J
J
I
I
I
Some
and
a
number
of
the
statistics
and
numbers
are
either
made
up
or
they're,
not
complete,
so
just
fyi.
You
view
that
in
that
context,
so
we
thank
you
so
the
epd
transparency
hub.
These
are
some
of
the
features
of
the
transparency
hub
one
is.
It
will
incorporate
the
department's
social
media
platforms
onto
that
hub
where
people
can
view
them,
it
will
be
incorporated
into
that.
I
It
engages
stakeholders
with
their
pst
officer.
There
will
be
one
of
the
modules
where
you
can
go
on
there.
There
will
be
a
city
map
you'll,
be
able
to
click
on
your
map,
approximately,
where
you
live
and
you'll
get
to
see
who
your
pst
officer
is
and
how
to
contact
them.
It
does
display
work
for
workforce
diversity.
It
will
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
show
the
public
that
we
have
a
workforce
that
is
diverse
and
is
mirrors
the
evanston
community
itself.
I
It
does
present
crime
stats.
It
provides
detailed
use
of
force
data,
which
is
something
that
the
community
has
asked
for
a
number
of
times
that
we
had
I.t
limitations
on
doing.
This
will
give
us
the
opportunity
to
present
more
detailed
use
of
forced
data
and
it
solves
the
data
entry
problems
that
plagued
the
first
two
epd
dashboards,
which
were
their
achilles
heels,
was
the
the
data
entry.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
one
yep,
so
we're
gonna
go
through
a
tour
of
the
hub.
It
is
a
work
in
progress.
I
I
This
is
how
the
transparency
page
appears.
It
is
not
public.
There
are
only
a
few
people
that
can
look
at
this.
The
people
that
are
working
on
it
right
now
for
the
evanston
police
department,
the
individual
doing
the
public
facing
work
is
officer,
anjali,
daly
and
then
the
back
end,
I.t
stuff
is
being
performed
by
mark
varner,
and
here
is
a
message
from
interim
chief
barnes.
This
is
the
the
welcoming
page.
I
I
Then
we'll
go
down
frequently
asked
questions
so
on
so
forth,
so
this
is
kind
of
our
opportunity
to
kind
of
give
a
snapshot
of
the
dashboard
and
give
some
information,
body-worn
cameras.
Obviously
a
big
thing:
we
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
so
and
again,
some
of
this
will
again
will
evolve
as
time
goes
on
so
community
engagement.
I
Here,
community,
policing
area,
ward,
7-
and
it
will
tell
you
that
brian
rust,
at
least
here
is
list.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
updates
going
on
pst,
so
this
might
be
a
little
stale.
I
I
So
workforce
diversity-
this
is
obviously
a
very
big
concern
in
law.
Enforcement
has
been
for
a
long
time
trying
to
achieve
police
forces
that
demographics
mirror
the
community
that
they
serve.
Evanston
police
is
one
of
the
few
or
one
of
the
small
percentages
of
law
enforcement
agencies
that
accomplishes
that,
and
this
is
an
area
where
we
have
not
plugged
this
in
yet,
but
this
is
what
will
be
presented
we'll
be
able
to
plug
in
all
the
demographics
of
our
department,
including
people,
are
a
resident
of
the
community.
I
Crime
stats:
this
is
something
they
want
to
work
on
where
the
word
this,
this
hub
is
able
to
pull
the
data
automatically
and
will
not
have
to
be
manually
entered
that's
what
we're
looking
to
do
as
much.
The
data
is
touched
as
little
as
possible
by
a
few
people
as
possible,
so
it
stays
current
and
consistent
and
again
that
this
will
be
no
data
is
enter
entered,
and
some
of
this
can
be
you.
J
B
I
Think
this
is
something
we'll
have
to
review.
We'll
have
to
look
at
what
information
we
want
to
put
out.
Is
it
going
to?
Is
it
going
to
mirror
the
the
crime
data
information
that
we
put
out
in
the
past
part?
One
part
two
crimes,
we'll
compare
it
against
what's
available
here,
if
there's
adjustments
that
need
to
be
made,
but
I
would
say
that
this
is
one
of
the
modules,
that's
pretty
pretty
raw
pretty
stock
at
this
point
and
there
could
be
adjustments
to
suit
our
our
needs.
So
here
we
have
crimes
against
persons.
I
I
Section
we
will
look
to
documents
that
we
already
use
internally
and
stuff
that
we're
putting
out
to
the
public
for
guidance
on
how
to
stylize
this.
Obviously,
we
want
things
to
be
as
consistent
as
possible
whenever
there's
inconsistencies,
even
if
their
mistakes
are
well
intentioned,
that
can
raise
an
eye
of
suspicion.
So,
yes,
I
we
will
look
to
the
public,
especially
the
annual
report
we
put
out
and
make
make
this
as
consistent
as
possible.
B
And
then,
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
community
engagement,
sure.
B
All
right,
so
here's
what
I
didn't
see.
Okay,
I
think
it's
two
things
as
a
community
can
take
pride
in
for
one
the
citizens
police
academy.
I
think
pictures
on
that.
An
explanation
of
what
the
program
does
and
how
to
get
involved.
I
think,
should
be
a
top
of
the
list.
You
also,
I
think,
do
you
have
an
explorers
program
similar
to
the
we.
I
Yep
yep
yep
as
we're
coming
out
of
covid.
I
think
that
will
those
those
programs
will
again
become
robust
yeah.
B
I
I
Think
there's
a
couple
places
that
are
going
to
solicit
such
as
something
like
how
are
we
doing
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
put
you
know
as
we're
always
looking
for
ways
to
take
in
complaints
or
feedback,
whether
it's
a
traditional
way.
This
could
also
be
one
of
those
we'll
be
looking
to
make
this
one
of
those
ways
as
well.
Yeah.
B
I
The
last
module
I
wanted
to
talk
about-
which
I
think
is
the
important
one-
and
this
is
one
that
we've
already
started
working
on
as
far
as
how
to
intake
how
to
how
we
want
to
present
the
data
and
we're
looking
to
do
it
like
he
said
to
present
the
information
that
we
take
in
on
the
use
of
force
report.
I
I
The
the
goal
here
is
that
this
is
going
to
present
the
information.
That's
on
the
use
of
force
report
and
again
this
is
very
raw.
This
is
very
raw,
but
it
is
going
to
have
demographics
yeah,
and
I
have
a
document
that
I'm
going
to
refer
to
that's
not
up
here,
because
it's
work
that
we're
doing
directly
with
the
vendor,
we'll
be
able
to
put
on
use
of
force
policy.
B
I
How
how
do
we,
what
information
we're
going
to
put
in
about
use
of
force
and
then
that's
going
to
dictate
how
it's
presented
and
some
of
that
information
is
going
to
be
obviously
the
nature
of
the
call,
the
location,
the
beat
of
occurrence
the
officer's
assignment
during
the
time
of
the
incident,
the
use
of
force
details
such
as
the
type
of
resistance,
the
officer's
response.
I
There
will
be
officer
information
years
of
service,
age,
race
and
gender
of
the
officer,
and
then
there
will
be
subject,
detail
the
offender
or
subject
details.
All
the
use
of
forces
are
not
necessarily.
Offenders
will
be
also
age,
race,
gender
and
an
impairment
type
if
that
is
applicable,
such
as
alcohol,
drugs,
both
or
unknown.
I
B
Just
one
quick,
so
this
I
think
is,
is
critical
and
I'm
I'm
glad
to
see
it
up
there.
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
statement
that
says
that
I
would
hope
that
this
would
be
the
place.
This
page
would
be
the
least
amount
of
traffic
and
information,
because
that
would
mean
that
you
know
officers
are
practicing
their
vulgar,
judo
and
all
those
skills,
but
so
this,
I
would
expect,
would
be.
B
Updated
on
a
more
frequent
basis,
the
only
concern
that
I
would
share
and
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
tackle
this
with
legal
is:
what
do
you
do
with
an
ongoing
investigation
right?
So
if
we
were
to
look
back
in
our
past
with
a
situation
on
ridge
street,
would
we
would
we
expect
to
see
something
like
that
on
this
page
and
what
would
be
the
time
frame
of
it?
And
we
don't
have
to
answer
that
now?
B
I'm
just
saying
that's
something
we
should
think
critically
about
and
then
my
overall
question
and
I
think
I'll
then
give
back
the
chairs
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
some
time,
and
I
don't
know
what
type
of
resources
are
being
allocated
to
this,
but
I
would
want
to
see
this
updated
and
populated
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
I
So
the
version
that's
on
the
website
already
is
outdated.
We
ran
into.
It
is
obviously
not
nearly
as
engaging
as
this,
but
the
problem
that
we
had
with
that
was
once
we
lost
our
I.t
support
after
covid
and
there
was
reduction
in
staff,
we
lost
our
ability
to
update.
It
basically
fell
on
its
face.
There
was
no
way
to
keep
it
going.
I
So
is
there
a
way
to
pull
that
down?
I
think
we
were
decided
to
keep
it
up
until
we
had
something
else,
but
if
we
received,
I
think
if
there
was
direction
to
pull
it
down
and
everybody
was
in
agreement
and
there's
consensus
there
and
nobody
necessarily
viewed
that
as
a
as
an
attempt
to
lack
transparency.
I
think
that
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
review.
B
I
I
would
say
that
we
started
out
pretty
slow
with
this.
I
think
that
over
the
course
of
the
summer,
we
kind
of
got
everything
focused,
so
we're
moving
along
workforces
take
vacations
during
the
summer.
I
think
now
that
everybody's
back,
it
should
be
quicker.
I
would
like
to
have
it
done
as
soon
as
possible.
We
are
doing
meetings
every
two
weeks
to
evaluate
what
resources
needed,
what
anybody
needs
and
to
go
back
to
your
prior.
You
didn't
necessarily
ask
for
a
specific
answer,
but
I
will
address
something
about
the
use
of
forest
data.
I
I
But
there
is
a
there
is
a
need
by
the
community
to
know
this
information
as
soon
as
possible
and
right
now
we
have
bumped
that
up
for
the
foia
process
and
once
the
report
is
completed,
is
signed
by
a
supervisor
that
hits
ops
that
we
make.
That
report
available
for
foia.
B
A
C
Okay
and
that
you
talk
about
the
people,
you
have
a
section
up
there,
that's
going
to
be
the
people-
okay,
what's
under
that
section,
so
what
kind
of
crimes
or
activity
is
going
to
be
in
that
section.
C
No
for
his,
he
started
off
with.
There
will
be
crimes
for
against
the.
I
So
we
this
right
here,
I
would
say,
is
very
raw.
It
needs
a
lot
of
building
out
and
formatting
so
right
now,
this
is
how
it
comes
from
the
vendor.
They
they
have.
This
hub
launched
all
over
the
country
and
every
state
has
different
nuances,
every
community,
so
on
so
forth,.
I
C
E
I
I
At
least
not
under
that
definition,
so
we
would
not
use
that
label.
It
would
be
what
we
put
in
the
annual
report,
which
is
going
to
be
the
part
one
crimes
nobody's
name,
just
the
numbers
and
percentages,
and
if
crime
went
up,
went
down
and
what
it
was.
We
would
be
looking
to
present
that
here,
but
crimes
against
society.
Wouldn't
I
see
that
being
highly
unlikely,
we'll
use
that
label.
K
C
How
many
you
know
the
number
of
people
you
stop
from
pedestrian,
that
you
get
the
information
from
the
contact
cards
that
the
officer
filled
in
so
you're
going
to
be
adding
that
information,
and
it's
going
to
be
in
a
section
right
now.
It
just
has
that
pedestrian
stop
traffic,
stop
is
plain
and
simple,
and
then,
when
you
come
to
with
the
fancy
labels
and
stuff
you're
kind
of
making
it
hard
for
some
people,
well.
A
I
I
could
direct
you.
Anybody
who
wants
to
asheville
north
carolina
has
already
launched
a
transparency
hub,
that's
very,
very
similar
to
this
product,
we're
using
basically
the
same
package
and
you.
If
you
go
in
there,
you
could
see
how
those
labels
change
and
it's
north
carolina,
so
they
like
they
have
some
differences
there
and,
and
you
could
go
in
there
and
see
a
more
finished
product.
Unfortunately,
this
one
is
not
so
a
lot
of
these
labels
are
likely
to
change
as
we
make
it
fit,
what
we
want
and
make
it
fit
what
the
community
wants.
A
C
I
As
we
launch
the
last
dashboard
we're
going
to
want
that
community
engagement
and
to
launch
it
and
then
even
it's
not
a
finished,
necessarily
finished
product,
these
things
should
evolve
so
as
things
become
more
valuable
or
less
valuable
or
there's
community
demand
for
something
we
can
always
evolve.
This
dashboard
down
the
road.
G
Yeah
officer
glue,
how
are
you.
G
Doing
well
so
I
am
familiar
that
the
former
clerk's
office
issued
a
memo
as
the
records
keeper
for
the
city
that
asked
for
all
a
use
of
force
and
police
misconduct.
Police
complaint
the
crs
to
be
released
on
this
dashboard
and
sorry
walked
out
for
a
second.
I
don't
believe
that
the
certainly
use
of
force
reports
are
on
here
is
that
am
I
wrong
in
that,
so.
G
G
I
So
once
this
is
launched
and
they
said,
we
find
that
launch
date
we'll
be
putting
use
of
force
data
up
there,
keeping
it
current.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
have
the
answer
as
if
it's
going
to
be
retroactive
and
how
far
with
regards
to
foia
compliance
with
crs
and
use
of
forces.
That
is
something
that
we
have
has
been
ongoing
and
we
actually
just
wrapped
up
a
larger
request
for
that
information.
I
I
know
that
there
has
been
a
lot
of
desire
for
as
much
that
information
that
we're
allowed
to
release.
G
And
when
one
of
the
things
I'm
specifically
interested
in
is
the
I'm
assuming
when
it's
complete,
there
will
be
data
and
just
kind
of
raw
statistics,
but
I'm
interested
in
as
the
memo
says
and
and
also
having
jesus
christ.
My
mass
keeps
going
into
my
mouth
also
having
the
police
reports,
the
individual
police
reports
when
there's
the
use
of
force
and
cr
as
well
as
any
accompanying
information.
I
mean
chicago,
it's
not
ipra
anymore.
It's
the
copa.
G
Chicago's
copa
releases
this
data,
although
that's
a
separate
function
of
what's
going
on
here,
but
it
is
proactively
released
on
a
government
web
page,
and
I
you
know
so.
The
law
is
very
clear
on
the
side
that
it
can
be
disclosed
and
I'm
hoping
that,
particularly
with
that
with
use
of
force
and
complaint
registers
that
we're
making
that
information
public.
I
Yeah
I,
as
far
as
this
will
not
address
all
complicated
foia
requests
that
will
foil
will
still
be
something
people
have
to
go
through
to
get
information,
but
we
would
hope
for
some
information
and
stuff
that
people
have
a
lot
of
desire
to
know,
especially
stuff.
That's
ongoing
that
this
would
be
a
place
that
we
could
direct
them
and
they
could
get
that
information,
but
probably
again
lengthy,
complicated
foia
requests
or
a
lot
of
information
would
still
have
to
go
through
that
and
would
not
fit
within.
G
Okay
and
then
last
thing
is,
while
I
I
don't
support
it,
we
currently
release
a
daily
crime
bulletin
and
we're
not
mandated
to
do
that,
which
you
know
you
can
call
it
a
proactive
release,
and
so
I
wonder
if
this
hub
is
able
to
accommodate
you
know
similar
if
we
release
the
names
of
residents
and
their
addresses
and
their
ages
and
all
of
this
information
about
a
resident
when
they've
simply
been
accused
of
a
crime.
G
I
H
Low
level,
I
think,
knowing
what
what,
how
often
we're
enforcing
like
or
we're
yeah
enforcing
low-level
arrests
is
important,
especially
with
like
well-being,
checks,
cannabis
arrests.
I
mean
there's
a
few
that
I
can
list
off
it's
getting
a
little
later
in
the
night,
so
I'll
have
have
the
whole
list
with
me,
but
I
I
think
it
would.
I
think,
there's
this
sense.
There's
a
discussion
happening
for
a
while
that
that
not
just
our
police
department,
but
police
departments
in
general,
making
a
lot
of
low-level.
H
You
know
non-violent.
You
know,
arrests
and
so
to
have
that
as
part
of
the
tracker
in
some
form-
and
we
can
talk
about
how
to
do
that,
I
think
makes
some
sense.
Any
information
we
can
provide
on
on
juvenile
arrests
again,
obviously
not
names
of
juveniles-
anything
like
that,
but
it
would
be
great
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
know
how
many
juvenile
arrests
and
how
many
of
those
are
being
afforded
to
our
administrative
adjudication
process
and
maybe
what
some
of
the
results
of
that
are
again.
H
I
know
there's
some
limitations,
but
information
regarding
that
would
be
interesting.
I
think
what
ms
esther
was
was
getting
at,
which
I
agree
are
it's
called
a
lot
of
things,
stop
and
frisk
terry
stops,
but
trying
to
wrap
our
head
around
how
many
times
reasonable
suspicion
is
being
used
and
if
there
are
contact
cards
and
a
little
breakdown
of
what
was
the
reasonable
suspicion
information
on
on
that
reasonable
suspicion,
terry
stops,
etc
will
be
really
helpful.
Does
this
include
traffic
stops
at
all.
I
I
H
Yeah
for
the
other
arrests,
just
knowing
like
juvenile
arrests
just
straight
number
and
then
how
many
I
don't
know
if
all
of
those
are
afforded
to
our
local
administrative
adjudication
process,
so
there's
others
that
go
through
some
other
form
of
mediation
but
yeah.
We
there's
a
way
all
this
stuff
that
I'm
requesting
there's
a
way
to
snapshot
it
and
then
there's
a
way
to
dial
a
bit
deeper
into
it.
H
So
we
can
talk
about
you
know
what
can
be
released
and
then
I
would
love
to
see
us
working
with
frequent
requesters
of
police
data.
You
know
we
know
who
they
are.
They
you
know,
use
our
foia
process
frequently
so
touching
base
with
them
to
see
what
type
of
data
they
would
like
to
see
released,
I
think,
would
be
a
huge
benefit
and
and
also
reaching
out
to
the
innocence
project,
which
I'm
sure
you've
heard
of
they.
They
do
a
lot
of
work
around
data.
H
H
As
ms
esther
said,
working
with
the
community
so
like
the
innocence
project
and
the
frequent
requests
of
police
data,
those
are
like
really
wonky
data-driven
folks,
who
want
to
see
the
spreadsheets
and
have
access
to
them,
but
also,
I
think
we
need
to
run
this
pass
just
to
layman,
someone
who
is
going
on
the
website
and
just
wants
to
get.
You
know
the
information
they
need.
So
I
agree
with
mr
said
at
some
point.
H
If
we
can
run
this
past
the
community
at
large
to
know
what
what
type
of
data
would
you
want
front
and
center
if
you
went
on
a
website
like
this,
and
is
this
once
we
have
it
up,
you
know
asking
them:
is
this
data
presented
in
a
way
that's
easily
understandable?
I
think
that
that's
really
important
if
we
are
gonna
go,
have
a
snapshot
but
also
go
deeper.
I
would
look
at
the
way,
there's
a
there's,
a
website
that
puts
together
information
on
on
on
the
census.
H
Let
me
just
quickly
look
it
up
real,
quick
asian
man
in
secret
county.
It's
called
censusreporter.org,
but
if
you
go
to
that
page,
I
just
looked
at
census.
Tract
8092,
which
is
one
of
the
cook
county
census,
tracts
in
the
fifth
ward,
and
if
you
click
on
the
link,
there's
nice
snapshots,
but
then
there's
also
a
a
tab
that
says,
show
data
and
it's
embedded.
You
click
on
that
and
then
it
expands
to
all
the
data.
I
think
we
can
do
something
like
that
and
I
can
send
that
along
go
ahead.
I'm
sorry.
I
I
We
do
have
a
significant
amount
of
latitude
in
what
you
know
how
we
present
things
and
kind
of
what
we
want
on
there,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
talking
about
is
going
to
fall
outside
of
what
the
capability
of
this
product
is,
and
it's
going
to
fall
outside
of
technically
what
it
can
do,
and
it's
probably
going
to
fall
outside
of
what
we
would
be
if
we
could,
what
we
could
manage
and
keep
consistent
and
reliable
and
valid.
So
I
just
want
to
manage
expectations.
I
Bought
the
model
we
have
some,
we
can
pick,
you
know
we
can
pick
the
sink.
We
can
you
know
we
can
we
can
we
there's
things
in
there.
We
do
that,
but
we
do
have
a
framework
that
we
have
to
operate
within
and
some
of
some
of
what
we're
talking
about,
I
just
want
to
say,
is
it's
probably
going
to
fall
outside
the
limitations
and
we'll
have
to
go
back
to
we'll
people
want
that
left
to
go
through
traditional
foia.
H
And
that
leads
me
to
my
last
point
I
think
separate
from
this
conversation
somewhat
it
relates
is
we
should
have
a
conversation
about
the
annual
release
of
data
at
some
point,
because
there's
no
reason
why
we,
you
know
we
have
to
only
release
things
through
our
foia
process.
I
think
other
cities
are
just
again
looking
at
what
frequent
four-year
requesters
are
requesting
and
releasing
some
of
those
information
that
information
proactively.
So
at
some
point
I
think
that'd
be
a
human
services
committee
discussion.
H
A
All
right
and
I'll
wrap
up
this
conversation
by
saying
so
I'm
looking
at
the
asheville
one
they
do
quite
a
bit
about
you
know
they
have
a
tab
about
traffic
stops
by
race.
They
have
a
dashboard
on
that.
So
that
might
meet
some
of
the
concerns.
I
do
think
that
there
is,
you
know
if
we
can
get
this
up
tomorrow.
That
would
be
great
because
I
spent
some
time
with
hillary
when
she
was
here.
A
I
think
that
there's
this
one
conversation
about
a
dashboard.
Now,
I'm
not
an
I.t
person.
You
know,
I
don't
know
any
of
the
technical
stuff
about
this,
but
if
we're
going
to
have
a
dashboard,
it's
important
that
it
works,
and
you
know
all
the
things
that
you
mentioned.
I
understand
ottoman
breakthrough
is
pointing
about
taking
it
down.
If
it's
not
accurate,
however,
I
think
that
that
also,
then
opens
up
a
whole
other
can
of
worms.
Maybe
it
makes
sense
to
say
we're
working
on
a
new
dashboard.
We
realize
this
one
has
some
errors.
A
We
you
know
project
the
new
one's
going
to
be
up
whenever
in
march
or
whatever
the
time
frame
is
for
that
all
the
things
that
I
mentioned
about
data.
I
do
think
between
you
all
and
I
t
we
do
need
to
get
a
handle
on
it.
I
you
know
again
looking
at
other
people's
websites,
not
this
like.
This
does
have
some
limitations,
I'm
sure,
but
there
are
other
things
in
which
we
can
release-
and
maybe
there's
just
another
link
on
here.
A
A
But
anyway,
there
are
more
crime,
statistics
and
just
police
information
that
people
are
now
in
2021,
expecting
us
to
release,
and
I
realize
you
all
have
some
limitations
on
your
tech
skills
and
so
that's
a
direction
that
we
as
a
council
might
want
to
give
our
city
manager's
office
and
again
knowing
it
can't
all
go
on
here.
This
is
a
good
place
to
say
we
have
an
open
portal
data
click
here
you
know
knock
yourself
out
with
all
the
information
that
we
have
available.
A
A
I
A
We
can
we
can
tell
people,
we
know
it's
old,
it
will
work
because
we
take
it
down,
people
are
going
to
say.
Where
is
it?
What
are
you
doing?
When's
the
new
one
coming
so,
if
you're
prepared
to
give
us
a
date
that
this
one's
launching,
then
I
might
be
able
to
support
you
to
say,
take
the
one
now,
but
if
it's
like
we're
working
on
this
one
every
two
weeks
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
to
work
on
it,
I
can't
go
to
my
public
and
tell
them
that.
I
I
A
B
I
A
All
right
perfect,
thank
you
all
right,
hs4!
Oh
sorry,
hs3,
discussion
of
healthy
workplace
environment
strategy.
Is
there
a
staff
member?
It
looks
like
there's
no
staff
here.
Is
there
a
staff
member
here
to
talk
about
that?
Luke
is
on
the
website.
I
mean
on
the
zoom
all
right,
so
councilmember
burns,
I'm
gonna!
Let
you
take
this
one
I'd
realize
they
put
my
name
here
too,
although
I
think
this
was
really
more
your
issue.
A
So
if
you
want
to
ask
luke
your
questions,
or
I
mean
it's
for
every
yeah,
I
think
it's
for
a
discussion,
but
obviously
we're
here
to
give
staff
some
feedback.
H
H
Yeah,
if
you
can
just
describe
our
current
healthy
work,
environment
process
policy,
you
know
just
everything
related
to
healthy
work,
environment.
You
know
policy
and
process
that
I
was.
E
Gonna,
I'm
gonna
turn
off
video
just
so
that
it
might
improve
the
bandwidth.
E
Okay,
good
sorry,
so
I
went
ahead
and
put
together
a
memo.
Part
of
the
memo
reflects.
E
What's
the
mission
of
the
program,
our
purpose
and
also,
I
included
a
snapshot
of
the
the
commitment
or
the
pledge
that
all
employees
take
as
a
commitment
to
the
healthy
work
environment
so
that
they
are
holding
themselves
as
well
as
managers
and
supervisors
accountable
to
that.
E
E
At
that
point
they
would
move
on
and
then
interview
the
of
the
potential
offender
that's
involved
in
the
situation
and
interview
that
person
gather
all
the
facts
and
information
from
that
person,
and
then
they
would
move
on
and
try
to
interview
witnesses
or
try
to
corroborate
other
information
that
other
people
can
contribute
to
any
other
data
points
that
they
have
to
validate.
That.
E
H
There
was
a
there
was
a
section
in
the
policy
that
I
saw
that
described
when
an
kind
of
independent
investigation
is
to
be
done.
Can
you
describe
you
know
when
and
how
that
shows
up
in
our
current
policy.
E
Is
it
decided
to
do
an
independent
investigation?
I
personally
was
never
involved
in
any
of
those
cases,
so
I
can't
I
wasn't
a
part
of
those
conversations,
so
I
think
whenever
they,
whenever
hr
in
the
past,
felt
that
there
was
some
sort
of
conflict
of
interest
or
they
felt
like.
Maybe
there
was
expertise
or
you
know
it
was
beyond
the
scope.
A
H
A
A
All
right
so
we're
going
to
hold
on
hs3
while
we
work
through
technical
issues
and
go
to
hs4,
which
is
resources
available
to
support
returning
citizens.
This
was
a
question
I
had
asked
so
in
the
packet
that
we
received.
A
There
was
a
memo
missing
for
this,
and
so
right
right,
so
miss
white
did
send
it
to
us
via
email
later
today,
for
those
of
you
all
who
are
up
here
on
the
diets
and
maybe
didn't
see
it,
but
mr
oakville,
if
you
can
go
over
since
you
wrote
the
memo,
what
services
we
as
the
city
of
evanston
offer
for
citizens
who
are
returning
from
incarceration.
K
Good
day,
members
of
the
human
services
committee
ike
a
world
director
health
and
human
services
department.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
we
do
not
have
a
specific
program
directed
to
returning
citizens
from
incarceration,
but
we
do
have
a
few
programs
that
these
returning
citizens
can
benefit
from
in
which
they
have
benefited
from.
One
is
the
the
ga
over
the
past
five
over
the
past
five
years.
Can
you
hear
me?
K
We
also
have
the
moran
center
advocacy
program
where
we've
had
a
number
of
individuals
partake
or
participate
in
those
programs
where
criminal
records
were
sealed
of
non-violent
crimes.
We
also
have
been
able
to
link
these
individuals
to
outside
services
from
the
howard
community
area
center
peer
services.
K
Earring
crate,
cafe,
to
get
these
individuals
employed,
financial
literacy,
job
placement
and
other
services,
but
it
is
there
a
specific
program
for
these
individuals.
No,
but
we
do
have
some
programs
that.
A
Yeah,
he
I
think,
he's
he
said
that
we
don't
have
a
specific
program,
but
we
have
the
referral
we
make.
Referrals
and
people
can
access
general
assistance,
which
is
a
monthly
cash
program,
but
within
the
city.
So
so
my
reason
for
asking
this
is
when
I
first
got
here.
This
was
brought
to
my
attention
more
so
around
hiring
and
that
how
did
the
city
you
know?
Were
we
proactively
hiring
people?
You
know
had
records
right?
A
Was
there
like
an
entry
way
for
them
to
have
employment,
because
at
that
point
we
still
were
doing
what
you
wrote
in
your
application?
If
you
have
been
convicted
of
a
crime
or
not
so
obviously
banned
the
box,
that's
gone
into
play.
There
was
a
new
policy
crafted
with
myself
and
kevin
brown
and
some
other
members
of
the
community
around
us,
not
necessarily
prioritizing
people
with
a
criminal
background,
but
not
having
to
be
a
barrier
anymore.
A
Unfortunately,
I
from
what
I've
kind
of
learned
and
not
that
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
data.
I
don't
know
that
that
policy
has
really
helped
folks
with
the
background
to
attain
employment
here
and
then
just
as
we
naturally
know
about
you
know,
incarceration
rates
and
people
coming
home
and
recidivism
is
that
communities
that
don't
have
programs
in
place,
whether
it's
run
by
the
city
or
non-profit
folks,
are
likely
to
return
to
incarceration,
because
they
just
don't
have
opportunities
they
need.
A
So
I
know
that
our
outreach
team
has,
you,
know,
kind
of
been
working
this
area,
not
necessarily
with
the
former
program
outside
of
moran
center,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
worth
us
having
the
discussion
if
folks
were
interested
about
what
we
want
to
do
as
a
city
entity
right,
we
have
a
lot
of,
I
think,
hopes
and
dreams
about
our
city,
and
we
we
have
a
lot
of
non-profits
and
we
hope
that
they're
doing
kind
of
all
this
great
work.
A
But
as
a
city
are
we
kind
of
setting
a
standard
in
which
we
are
saying.
Yes,
we're
hiring
folks,
yes,
we're
connecting
them
with
services.
You
know
there
is
an
entryway.
I
know
that
from
past
work,
when
people
were,
if
I'm
correct,
when
people
were
coming
home
from
prison,
that
I
think-
and
maybe
this
was
only
like
parole-
the
probation
that
our
police
department
was
notified.
A
So
we
know
who
some
folks
are
so
that
we
as
a
city
could
reach
out
to
them
or
you
know,
do
it
whatever
or
make
sure
non-profit's
reaching
out
to
them
so
that
as
soon
as
they
get
home,
they
they
can
be
if
they
choose
to
connected
to
some
program
and
support,
and
so
obviously
again
we
want
to
keep
them
from
reoffending
and
returning
back
to
prison
or
wherever
they
might
have
been.
So
that
was
my
my
rationale.
My
question
about
this
wanted
to
see
kind
of
where
we
were
as
a
city.
A
Does
anyone
else
have
an
interest
or
question
around
this
topic?
Ottoman
reveal
or
council
member
reveal.
D
K
There
a
way:
well,
usually
they
find
us
or
when
they
are
applying
for
services
example.
Ga
during
the
application
process,
I
mean
this
is
information
that
they
volunteer
to
us
and
that's
how
we
know
the
police
department
does
not
really
relay
this
information
information
to
us,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
regulations
that
will
debar
them
from
providing
us
such
information.
A
Glue
can
you
answer
that?
Do
you
know
I?
I
remember
a
conversation.
I
believe
it
was
with
eddington
and
I
would
get
to
councilman
reid,
with
eddington
about
notification.
They
had
when
some
folks
were
returning
back
to
community
and
again
maybe
it
was
just
that
they
were
going
to
be
on
some
kind
of
you
know
probation
or
parole,
and
this
could
have
been
now
non-existent.
A
I
G
And
just
to
answer
the
question,
while
in
the
clerk's
office
there
are
a
number
of
occasions
where
we
wanted
to
reach
out
to
folks
who
were.
G
For
voter
registration
purposes,
actually,
who
were
either
on
house
arrest
or
involved
in
the
county
court
system
and
there's
actually
a
very
simple
request
to
sheriff
dart's
office,
the
the
sheriff
sheriff's
office
would
have
all
of
the
information
about
who's
currently
incarcerated.
I
mean,
if
we're
talking
about
state
prison,
that's
a
separate
thing,
which
is
certainly
a
track
that
we
want
to
keep
our
eyes
on
too.
But
when
it
comes
to
the
county,
we
can
certainly
get
those
records
from
the
sheriff's
office.
G
They
know
where
people
are
being
released
to
if
they're
doing
home
or
house
arrest
or,
if
they're,
just
being
released.
Generally,
they
have
a
record
of
the
place
that
the
person
is
going
to.
K
Yeah
and
my
understanding
also
is
that
the
department
of
corrections
they
do
keep
tabs
of
these
individuals,
those
who
are
supervised
or
on
parole.
I
know
the
police
department
does
have
some
data
in
this
regard,
but
I
don't
know
if
they
know
who
these
individuals
are
specifically
or
is
it
information
that
we
have
to
obtain
from
the
department
of
corrections,
yeah.
A
So
I
think
you
know,
for
the
sake
of
time,
I
am
interested
in
this
and
I
don't
need
to
you
know
my
personal
mission,
but
I
might
just
ask
moran
center
and,
as
chief
about
how
we
learn
when
people
are
coming
back,
you
know,
sheriff
dart
is
trying
to
get
people
kind
of
connected
to
communities
more.
But
obviously,
if
people's
families
here
and-
and
we
don't
necessarily
have
some
kind
of
real
tangible
supports
connecting
community-
is
going
to
be
hard.
A
So
I
will
do
a
little
more
homework
on
my
own
and
just
because
I'm
interested
in
this
this
topic
to
try
to
figure
out
kind
of
on
average.
How
many
folks
are
coming
back
and
if
there's
a
way
that
we
as
a
city
can
have
you
know,
maybe
we
don't
offer
something
more
robust,
but
something
more
robust
put
together
so
whether
they
come
in
through
the
health
department
or
they
come
in
to
pay
the
wheel
tax
right
that
there
is
something
that
we
can.
A
A
So
I
will
take
this
on
and
talk
to
you
offline
and
maybe
bring
back
to
our
task.
I
mean
our
committee
some
more
information
later.
K
There
are
avenues
by
which
the
police
gets
these
records.
As
the
memo
indicated
from
2017
to
2021,
they
stated
that
about
two
persons
per
month
get
released
from
incarceration,
so
there
is
a
way
in
which
they
get
this
information.
A
Yeah
and
as
we're
thinking
about
workforce
development,
I
mean,
and
particularly
with
your
lead
pipes,
I
mean
these
are
folks
who
we
can
try
to
put
into
positions
that
we
know
are
coming
open
or
you
know
our
water
treatment
plan
and
things
like
that
where
we
used
to
have
really
robust
internships.
Were
you
calling
them
apprenticeships
that
I
don't
think
we
really
have
anymore
council
councilmember
burns.
H
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I
definitely
support,
support
this
and
I
think
the
what
you
described
as
a
good
first
step,
something
else
that's
coming
up
for
referral.
Is
I
put
a
referral
in
to
so
that
we're
notified
when
an
eviction
is
is
going
to
take
place.
It's
a
little
easier
there,
because
I
think
we
can
put
that
on
the
landlord,
whereas
this
we're
working
with
different
governmental
agencies.
H
A
And
there
are
a
couple
of
churches.
I
know
one
in
particular
is
the
unitarian
church
that
for.
D
A
Couple
years
has
been
doing
a
very
intensive
wrap
around
support
of
individuals
as
they
come
out
of
prison.
I
think
that
people
are
referred
to
them,
but
they
do
like
a
year
wrap
around
helping
them
get.
You
know
stable
and
all
the
supports
they
need.
So
maybe
we
can
loop
them
into
conversation
as
well.
A
A
All
right
that
is
better,
so
I
think
councilmember
burns
had
some
questions
that
I'm
not
sure
you
heard.
E
Sure,
sorry
for
the
trouble
the
storm
earlier
today,
I
think
wrecked
some
havoc
on
the
internet.
Here.
H
Yeah
luke,
I
just
one
of
the
questions
was,
if
you
could
describe
where
an
impartial
investigation
shows
up
in
the
healthy
work
environment
policy-
and
I
think
you
answered
it,
it'll
start
as
an
answer,
but
we
couldn't
hear
you.
E
Yeah,
I
think
your
question-
maybe
I
misunderstood,
but
I
think
you
were
asking
about.
When
do
you
decide
to
leverage
an
outside
firm
for
some
investigations
and
I
haven't
been
involved
in
those
cases
and
the
you
know
the
person
who
was
involved
in
in
that
in
those
cases
on
administrative
leave.
But
I
think
there
were
a
couple
cases
where
they
felt
that
there
was
conflict
of
interest
or
they
needed
a
higher
level
of
expertise
beyond
what
the
hr
team
could
offer
and
that's
where
they
decided
to
go
out
to
a
third
party.
H
H
This
was
a
while
ago
again
when
I
was
was
employed
with
the
city
during
in
that
capacity,
and
there
was
an
email
that
went
out
from
the
former
city
manager
saying
that
equity
empowerment
coordinate
that
that
he
had
asked
equity,
empowerment
coordinator,
dr
pat
effion,
to
lead
a
process
working
with
staff
into
presenting
me
a
revised
policy
for
citywide,
comment
and
review
by
march
1st,
and
this
was
around
our
healthy
work
environment
complaint
process.
Do
we
know
what
what
came
with
that?
If,
if
anything
at
all.
E
It's
a
good
question
that
was
before
I
was
director
of
administrative
services,
so
I
still
just
on
a
t
team.
At
that
time
I
actually
was
on.
I
was
just
was
part
of
the
committee
that
was
helping
dr
effiom
kind
of
jump
start
that
process.
I
think
it
kind
of
fell
by
the
wayside
a
little
bit
when
she
departed
from
the
city,
but
I
could
I
could
do
additional
research
on
that
and
get
more
information
for
you
on
that.
H
Yes,
I
mean
I
if,
if
we
think
that
that's
a
good
next
step
for
this
or
to
return,
if
it
ever
was
there
to
the
equity
empowerment
commission
to
continue
and
complete
that
work,
I
think
that
makes
sense.
But
basically
you
know
they're,
I'm
interested
to.
I
don't
know
if
our
policy,
our
current
healthy
work
environment
policy,
is
clear
regarding
when
outside
council
should
be
retained,
there's
some
mention
of
of
an
impartial
investigation
happening,
but
it's
not
clear.
What's
what's
standard,
you
know
what
standard
are
we
trying
to
meet?
H
Does
impartial
mean
you
know
outside
legal
counsel?
That's
the
only
way
I
can
interpret
it,
but
maybe
their
staff
is
interpreting
it
differently,
but
just
seeing
where
that
currently
is
is
cited
in
the
in
the
current
policy
and,
seeing
you
know
just
crediting
some
language
around
when
outside
counsel
is
to
be
used.
I
had
a
question
a
while
ago
about
how
this
process
was
informed
by
restorative
justice
practices.
H
How
is
trauma
informed
and
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
and
so
really
without
so
we
can.
You
know
close
the
meeting
out
figuring
out.
What's
the
right
venue
for
this
work,
is
it
equity
empowerment
is
it?
You
know,
I
can
send
a
few
questions
to
luke,
stowe
and
staff,
and
and
and
we
can
discuss
it
at
the
next
human
services
committee
meeting,
but.
A
Yeah
and
luke-
I
you
know-
I
remember
long
conversations
about
this-
obviously
not
with
you,
but
and
different
people
in
the
building
had
definitely
different
perspectives
about
how
good
our
policy
was
and
how
good
the
investigation
was
and
the
findings-
and
it
was
a
conversation
about
if
the
findings
are
not
satisfactory,
can
the
person
appeal-
and
you
know,
kind
of
what's
that
next
step?
So
I
think
you
know,
I
think
we
should
hold
this
topic
on
our
agenda
for
next
month,
and
maybe,
if
you
want
to
you
know,
obviously
luke
still
is
filling
in.
A
A
I
know,
as
a
council
member,
I
had
always
asked
to
get
like
a
quarterly
report
of
the
healthy
workplace
claims
again
not
with
people's
names,
so
just
to
know
what
was
coming
in
and
that
was
not
well
received
necessarily,
but
I
do
think
it's
something
that,
if
nothing
else
this
unfortunate
situation
at
the
beach
should
show
us
at
the
council
is
we
probably
need
to
be
paying
a
little
more
attention
to
this.
So
I
would
think
that
maybe
we
could
hold
this.
A
I
know
it's
just
a
discussion
but
hold
it
in
this
committee
and
continue
to
kind
of
revisit
it
now.
This
might
be
I'm
assuming.
This
would
be
something
that
our
current
investigation
will
reveal
might
need
some
work,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
think
we
very
much
have
a
responsibility
to
be
bringing
forward
some
ideas.
A
I
don't
know
if
equity
and
empowerment
is
the
best
place
only
because
they
are
in
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
out
their
role
they're
coming
to
us
in
october,
with,
I
think,
maybe
a
new
pilot,
a
new
ordinance
and
scope
of
work
and
stuff.
So
maybe
once
we
hear
what
they
think
their
role
should
be,
and
if
we
agree,
if
not,
I
think
you
know-
I
don't.
A
So
I
think
that
that's
something
that
maybe
luke,
I
don't
know
if
that
be
under
your
purview
or
the
city
manager's
office,
but
something
that
I
would
definitely
want
to
throw
out
there
to
see
if
staff
have
an
appetite
to
review
this
for
us
and
bring
to
us
their
thoughts
instead
of
us
telling
them
what
needs
to
happen
in
that.
So
if
the
committee
is
fine
with
this,
I
think
we
should
just
keep
this
as
a
discussion
item
for
next
month.
Here
with
equity
empowerment,
say
they're.
H
Yeah,
I
think
if
we
can
create
potentially
as
whether
it's
a
special
committee
task
force,
but
something
that
is
not
meant
to
be
exist
in
perpetuity.
But
something
short-lived
to
come
back
with
some
recommendations,
especially
considering
the
amount
of
kind
of
interest
and.
H
The
amount
of
interest
and
just
people
are
thinking
and
talk.
People
are
thinking
about
how
we
our
healthy
work
environment,
complaint
process,
how
we're
handling
disputes
and
claims
of
harassment
of
all
types.
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
community
interest
to
serve
at
this
point
to
help
us
come
up
with
recommendations
in
addition
to
working
with
staff.
To
do
that,
I
think
we
could
pull
in
a
few
community
member
committee
members,
I
looked
to
the
alternatives
to
arrest
committee
as
a
good
example
of
a
committee
that
really
had
a
specific
assignment.
H
You
know
they
went
in
made
some
really
good
recommendations.
The
former
council
took
action
on
it.
I
think
we
could
put
something
similar
together
and
if
we
want
to
do
that
through
this
committee,
that
you
know
that
makes.
A
Sense,
I
think
that
would
maybe
be
a
task
force.
Don't
quote
me
because
I'm
not
looking
at
the
thing,
but
what
we,
what
we
did
around
the
returning
citizen
policy,
was
just
an
internal
task
force.
I
think
there
was
some
of
the
moran
center
and
then
someone
I'm
from
this
church
that
I
said
mentioned
earlier
was
doing
those
kind
of
work.
It
was
not
a
big
apply
now.
I
think
that
could
be
great,
but
then
you
get
into
the
whole
a
minute.
Then
it's
got
to
be
noted.
A
H
A
We
can
reach
out
to
them.
Why
don't
we
so
we'll
leave
this
here?
We
can
hear
from
equity
empowerment,
also
the
ready
committee,
which
is
an
internal
committee
working
on
a
variety
of
things,
they're
going
to
come,
update
us
as
well
and
those
are
all
staff
people.
So,
let's
hear
what
they've,
maybe
this
is
already
on
someone's
agenda
that
we're
not
sure
about
that
good
okay,
so
we
have
hs5,
which
is
the
review
of
evans
and
police
complaints
and
compliments
for
our
review,
and
so
there
is
one
case
here
which
is
cr21-01.
A
I
I
believe
that
di
2013
was
always
di
2013.
If
there's
a
mistake
or.
A
No
so
cr
because
it
says
third
review
cr21-1.
I
should
just
look
at
it,
then
I
know
just
trying
to
be
transparent
for
people
who
are
at
home
and
not
looking
at
the
packet.
So
there
was
di
20-13
that
had
been
reviewed
three
times.
Okay,
so
then
I'm
wrong
about
the
other
ones
are
pending.
I'm
sorry,
all
right!
So
in
our
packet
we
have.
A
D
I
D
D
And
what
what
kind
of
communication
is
there
with
the
complainant
is?
Is
there
a
report
made
to
the
complainant
at
the.
I
End
or
so
it
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
complaint.
This
was
a
di
and
it
was
a
third
party
basically
making
a
complaint
about
the
officer's
conduct
as
far
as
us,
reaching
back
out
to
them.
You
know
sergeant
warnock
is
who
is
not
here
tonight
soon
to
be
commander
warnock's,
not
here
tonight.
If
that
that
was
reached
out
and
documented,
it
would
have
been
done
by
him.
So
I.
K
J
I
D
Right
yeah,
no,
I
mean
the
complainant
was
very
personally
felt
very.
D
Right
exactly
his
observations
right
yeah.
No,
so
I
hope
that
we
did
have
some
communication
back
with
him
about.
You
know
the
extensive
review
that
the
committee
made
and-
and
I
think
because
they
did
continue
to
probe
and
ask
for
review.
They
were
able
to
make
comments
about
more
than
just
officer
one.
Then
there
was
officer
two
officer
three
it
I
you
know
they
really
did
a
very
thorough
job.
The
committee
did
and.
I
I
will
you
said
those
notifications
may
have
already
been
made.
They
just
weren't
made
by
me
specifically,
so
I
don't
want
to
say,
hey
100,
they
were
done.
I
will
follow
up
tomorrow
and.
B
G
House
memory:
yes:
is
there
a
body
camera
footage
of
this
interaction.
G
Okay,
it
so
I
I
was
told
by
the
resident
who
observed
this
just
to
be
clear.
This
incident
is
the
incident
that
took
place
in
like
the
seventh
ward
in
in
your
wardrobe,
yes
near
where
you.
G
So
this
gentleman
reached
out
to
me
when
this
occurred
and
wanted
the
video
he
said
that
he
filed
a
complaint
which
would
make
it
foia
eligible
and
was
told
that
he
was,
from
my
recollection,
told
me
that
he
was
denied
his
four-year
request
because
the
video
didn't
exist.
I
I
G
A
C
A
Follow
the
foia
brick
road.
Yes,
so
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
this
and
I
know
it
has
been
so
one.
My
understanding
is:
whoever
puts
the
complaint
in.
There
is
always
a
letter
sent
to
them,
letting
them
know
what
happened
with
their
complaint.
So
we
should
make
sure.
Can
you
please
email
us
to
make
sure
that
happens.
I
A
If
you
can
have
warnick
add
to
that
email
about
the
foia
request,
since
he
handled
the
case
to
let
us
know
if
that
was
a
floor,
request
was
made
and
what
happened
I'm
interested
in
those
not
to
beat
the
dead
horse
here,
but
so
from
what
I
read
accused
officer,
one
made
a
statement,
but
then
accused
officer
two
was
mentioned
later,
but
I
don't
see
a
statement
by
accused
officer
too,
which,
usually
you
know
each
officer
involved
makes
a
statement.
I
do
appreciate
also
the
committee
sending
this
back
three
times.
A
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
see
it.
I
do
plan
on
coming
to
see
it
hopefully
this
week,
I'm
not
sure
why
it
took
three
times
to
get
this
result.
Given
that
the
findings
were
pretty
different
between
the
patrol
officer,
you
know
all
the
people
who
did
look
at
it.
The
findings
were
pretty
different.
One
thing
I
will
say
about
this,
and
this
goes
back
to
people's
concerns
about
the
daily,
not
daily
bullets
and
the
thing
we
talked
about
earlier.
The
newsletter
in.
A
There
was
a
mention
made
in
here
and,
of
course,
I'm
not
going
to
find
it,
but
it
was
kind
of
like.
Let
me
explain
to
you
why
we
didn't
you
know,
do
this
right
up
or
you
know
these
things
were
unfounded
and
it
talked
about.
You
know
the
officer
being
new
to
evanston
or
new
officer
in
general
also
that
they
had
like
potential
to
be
a
great
officer
and
why
all
those
things
might
be
the
case.
We
have
rules
here
and
we
expect
our
citizens
to
follow
them,
whether
you're
new
on
the
job
or
not.
A
I
would
assume,
particularly
in
this
role,
that
you
know
what
the
rules
are.
I
did
find
it
very
interesting
that
a
supervisor
was
not
called
because
it
seems
like
in
all
the
other
body
cameras
which
I
see
as
soon
as
someone
starts
like
complaining.
The
supervisor
is
called
and
that
wasn't
done.
I
also
found
it
very
problematic
that
there
was
an
admission
by
people
in
the
car
that
they
had
had
a
couple
of
beers
and
this
person
was
acting
erratic,
yet
it
was
just
like.
Oh
you
know,
they
don't
want
to
see.
A
You
know
we're
calling
you
know
it
just
was
a
lot
of.
There
was
a
lot
of
leeway
given
in
this
case.
I.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
was
not
in
cprc
so
well,
I
think,
for
the
public,
who
wasn't
there
either
right?
We
need
to
talk
about
these
things
because
our
officers
are
expected
to
know
things
right
and
so
for
the
record,
but
for
the
public
who
might
still
be
with
us.
You
know,
I'm
concerned
had
not
cprc
sent
this
that
three
times
this
would
have
been.
One
was
like:
oh,
nothing,
to
see
here
and
a
very
different
to
clerk
three's
point.
A
The
person
who
was
very
passionate
about
this,
I'm
sure
was
very
passionate
because
they
either
had
experience
or
had
understood
or
seen.
Other
people
not
be
given
this
much
grace,
and
so,
while
I'm
appreciative
of
cprc
and
they
did
their
job
well,
I
I
would
want
to
make
sure
and
I'll
tell
commander
warnick
this
as
well.
A
A
I
don't
really
need
to
see
in
these
reports,
because
what
I'm
seeing
in
this
report
is
that
this
is
their
job,
they
did
it
or
they
didn't
do
it,
and
these
are
the
corrective
actions
and
so
kind
of
what,
in
my
opinion,
is
fluff
can
be
kept
out
of
such
reports,
but
I
know
you
didn't
write
it,
so
I
will
express
that
to
warnick,
but
you
are
the
person
here
representing
him
now
and
I
know
it's
been
taken
up,
but
I
will
come
over
and
see
the
video.
A
I
don't
invite
anybody
else
there
they're
also
for
those
of
you
who
are
new.
It
is
very,
I
think,
important,
to
watch
these
videos
because,
regardless
of
what
the
findings
are,
you
always
see
different
things,
or
at
least
I
do
on
the
videos
and
even
though
glue
and
warnick-
and
I
often
do
not
agree
even
watching
the
videos-
it's
it's
helpful
to
me
to
actually
see
what
happens.
I
Yeah-
and
I
want
to
touch
on
this-
did
go
back
three
times
and
and
for
people
that
were
not
didn't,
observe
that
process
firsthand
it.
They
did
have
some
concerns
and
they
sent
it
back,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
felt
was
important
was
that
the
bodywork
camera
footage
be
watched.
If
it's.
If
we
are
trying
to
be
transparent
and
with
that
being
the
biggest
part
of
the
investigation,
we
wanted
cprc
to
watch
it.
I
So
they
sent
it
back
once
we
had
it
reviewed
and
then
the
second
after
the
second
review,
the
body
worn
camera
footage,
was
viewed
which
triggered
the
third
review,
so
we're
making
a
priority
and
really
kind
of
emphasizing
the
importance
of
watching
the
body,
worn
camera,
it's
the
biggest
piece
of
the
investigation,
and
so
I
think
that
if
we
would
have
introduced
that
concept
earlier,
it
would
have
cut
down
on
one
of
those
reviews.
I
A
Okay
and
that's
why
I
don't
know
then
internally,
if
it's
worth
some
such
memo,
going
to
all
of
the
reviewing
officers
right
before
even
they're,
looking
at
a
case
not
to
point
out
these
things,
but
to
say
like
we
have
to
make
sure
we're
really
looking
at
these
things
and
looking
at
the
totality
of
them.
Even
from
this
perspective
of
a
citizen
right,
I
mean
some
things,
you'll
be
like.
A
I
And
we've
started
that
process
myself
and
deputy
city
manager.
Kimberly
richardson
addressed
the
supervisors
at
the
last
quarterly
meeting,
laying
out
the
expectations
and
what's
important
to
people
when
they
review
this
and
that
what
may
have
been
viewed
intuitively
in
the
past
is
not
looked
at.
That
way
and
things
that
are
not
addressed
are
going
to
get
sent
back
and
are
going
to
be
an
issue.
So
we
have
started
that.
I
would
say
that
process
of
training,
familiarization
and
expectation
that
goes
along
with
having
a
committee
like
cprc.
H
That's
what
I
thought,
I
wonder
if
there's
any
way
to
have,
especially
when
there's
these
type
of
claims
involving
race
and
implicit
bias.
If
we
could
have
someone
with
our
professional
stan
professional,
what
do
they
call
a
professional.
H
So,
usually,
that's
warnick
he's
usually
here.
I
don't
know
why,
if,
if
we
could
have
somebody
that's
trained
in
that
work,
because
there's
something
here
that
that
struck
me,
it
says
the
patrol
sergeant
noted
that
one
of
the
occupants
was
a
person
of
color
and
admitted
he
consumed
beer
and
that
he
was
under
the
age
of
21.
However,
the
occupant
was
not
sighted
searched
or
arrested.
He
was
treated
the
same
as
the
driver
of
the
vehicle.
H
You
know
I
had
a
situation
at
evanston
when
I'm
growing
up
here,
where
it's
a
car
full
of
black
folks
car
for
the
white
folks
and
they're
treated
differently,
we're
we're
arrested
for
cannabis
that
was
found
in
the
car,
the
other
ones
the
cannabis
is
found,
they're
not
arrested.
My
point
is
that
this
sentence
right
here
shows
a
really
a
simplified
version
of
how
this
may
take
place
in
real
time.
The
distinction
is
what
happens
when
a
car
full
of
black
males,
for
instance,
are
stopped
versus.
H
If
it's,
you
know,
if
somebody,
if
a
caucasian
or
white
person
has
stopped
so
the
distinction
between
oh,
there
was
a
black
guy
in
the
back
of
the
car,
who
admitted
guilt
and
was
not
arrested.
I
think
we
lose
sight
on
on
what
the
potential
concern
here
is,
and
so
I
just
wonder
what
the
involvement
is
of.
I
know
our
police
officers
are
going
through
implicit
bias.
Training
I've
always
felt
like
equity
training,
implicit
bias.
H
Training
should
be
an
ongoing
thing
that
that
there's
someone
present
that's
helping
people
work
through
different
processes
and
decisions
in
real
time,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
one
day
out
of
the
year
in
and
out
of
completely
out
of
context
from
the
everyday
job
they're
receiving
this
information.
How
can
we
or
properly
integrate
some
of
this
into
actual
functions
where
it
matters,
and
this
is,
I
think,
a
situation
where
it
matters.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that.
I
So
if
I
could
talk
real
briefly
about
the
sunset
and
the
third
review
that
the
sergeant
brought
up
was
kind
of
pointing
out
that
I
think
what
they
were
driving
at
or
their
point
was
that
the
lackadaisical
enforcement
action
was
uniformly
applied.
Now
I
think,
when,
after
the
the
supervisors
were
directed
by
that
third
memo
that
you
have
to
address
the
question
of
bias,
it
has
to
be
viewed
that
way
that
rule
was
included.
I
That's
why
the
supervisor
thought
that
that
was
relevant,
because
without
a
large
sample
to
look
for,
I
would
say,
would
be
easier
to
detect
implicit
bias.
We're
looking
for
signs
of
more
things
that
are
more
overt,
and
I
think
that
that
was
just
pointed
out
to
to
for
put
in
there
to
show
or
illustrate,
or
just
the
fact
of
whatever
worth
it
was.
Was
the
lackadaisical
enforcement
action
or
enforcement
action
outside
policy
was
uniform
to
everybody.
H
The
distinctions
are
very
subtle
and
nuanced,
but
they're
there
and
there
there.
There
is
a
sense
that
that
that
the
things
in
related
enforcement
are
evenly
applied,
and
I
think
it
is
nuanced.
It's
much
more
nuanced
than
I
think
this.
This
sentence
captures,
which
is
why
it
would
be
really
helpful
in
my
mind,
to
have
someone
there
doing
these
types
of
complaints
to
help.
You
know
refresh.
You
know
our
police
officers
about
implicit
bias
and
race
relations
and
all
these
other
things
that
matter
when
we're
looking
at
these
type
of
you
know,
incidents.
I
And
speaking
specifically
to
that
concern
I
mean
it
is
definitely
something
that
our
organization
takes
very
seriously
is
part
of.
I
would
say
that
something
that
we
revisit
consistently
and
even
going
through
this
specific
process
has
value
in
reminding
officers
that
this
is
a
priority,
and
it's
something
that's
going
to
be
investigated
if
that
allegation
is
made.
So
in
addition
to
the
training
that
goes
on
it.
This
is
this
shows
that
reviewing
allegations
of
bias
is
a
priority
and
to
make
sure
that
things
are
within
policy.
G
So,
ultimately,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
they
were
found
rule
six
was
a
violation.
So
what
we're
about
to
move
on
to
next
is
the
discussion
about
decriminalizing
drugs,
so
driving
under
the
influence
is
a
felony,
correct.
I
I
mean
there
are:
there
are
instances
of
driving
under
the
influence
that
are
felonies,
but
the
vast
majority
of
driving
under
the
influence
is
a
misdemeanor
okay.
So,
under
this
under
this
this
context
it
could
have
been
a
class
a
misdemeanor,
but
it
would
would
not
have
been
a
felony.
I
When
you
have
underage
people
drinking
and
driving,
then
you
start
getting
into
zero
tolerance.
And
that's
you
know.
Somebody
that's
under
the
age
of
21
is
considered
dui
if
they
have
any
alcohol
in
their
system.
But
then
you
also
get
into
the
thing
that
if
you're
20
years
old
and
you're
over
a
0.08
which
is
presumed
intoxication,
you
could
still
be
charged
with
a
regular,
conventional
dui.
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
at
play,
but
yes,
when
you're
talking
about
something
that's
underage,
if
they've
had
any
alcohol,
that
is
a
much
lower
standard.
I
For
I
wouldn't
say
it's
a
much
lower
standard.
Any
alcohol
you're
not
allowed
to
drink
and
drive
as
an
underage
person
and
if
you've
had
anything
to
drink,
0.08
is
not
presumed
intoxication.
A
G
Yes,
I
will
be
quick.
So
a
few
months
ago
I
made
a
referral
to
decriminalize
drug
use
here
in
our
city.
We
we
know
that
particularly
you
know,
as
the
you
know,
in
the
60s
70s,
and
particularly
in
the
80s
and
90s,
there
is
a
very
large
push
to
criminalize
drug
use
and
to
treat
it
through
our
carceral
system,
and
we
have
seen
the
outcome
of
that.
The
experiment
has
lasted
for
the
last.
G
You
know,
particularly,
you
know,
30
40
years
50
years
with
some
narcotics.
D
G
The
the
results
are
that
we've
seen
that
the
system
is
overwhelmingly
discriminatory
and
biased
toward
folks
of
color
toward
low-income
folks.
We
have
seen
that
it.
We
have
not
addressed
the
the
heart
of
the
issue,
which
is
usually
an
issue
of
a
mental
health
issue
and
a
health
issue,
and
sometimes
in
many
cases
when
it
comes
to
dealing
an
economic
issue
and
to
continue
the
practice
of
jailing
and
arresting
people
for
drug
use
is
just
not
following
all
of
this.
G
The
science
and
the
data
that
we
have
shown
on
the,
as
I
said,
the
effectiveness
of
the
carceral
system
on
on
best
methods
to
actually
treat
folks
with
addiction
issues,
and
so
this
summer.
As
I
said,
I
made
that
referral.
G
We
met
with
a
whole
host
of
folks.
I
had
an
intern
this
summer,
jonah
karsh,
who
did
a
phenomenal
job,
assisting
in
setting
up
meetings
and
and
taking
notes
and
making
a
lot
of
this
happen.
And
so
we
met
with
peer
services,
maureen
mcdonald,
who
is
a
a
primary
treatment
provider
for
those
struggling
with
drug
abuse.
We
met
with
task,
which
is
the
treatment
alternatives
for
safer
communities
which
works
with
cook
county,
the
county,
criminal
justice
system
relating
to
drug
charges.
G
We
met
with
maps
the
multidisciplinary
association
of
psychedelic
studies,
a
national
organization
that
is
taking
mdma
through
fda
approval
process
and
advocates
for
the
legalized
supervised
use
of
psychedelics
stopped
the
drug
war.
We
met
with
them
david
borden.
We
met
with
students
from
northwestern
who
were
for
the
sensible
drug
policy
chapter
there,
and
so
we
met
with
a
whole
host
of
folks
and
I'm
hoping
I'm
not
leaving
anyone
off
through
those
meetings.
G
G
G
There
were
a
number
of
issues
with
the
rollout
because
it
was
done
by
referendum
and
not
through
a
you
know,
more
drawn
out
legislative
process
so
hoping
to
not,
and
one
of
the
big
takeaways
is
there
is
that
they
didn't
have
a
system
set
up
and
to
respond
to.
You
know
the
folks
who
have
addiction
issues,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
key
component
to
decriminalization.
Ensuring
that
you
have
you
know
we're
not
just
saying
it's
not
an
issue,
but
certainly
it's
not
a
carceral
issue.
G
Part
of
what
we
did
learn
is
you
know
our
understanding
of
the
illinois
constitutional
constitution.
Article
eight
section,
six
part
d-
is
that
any
amount
of
illegal
narcotics,
with
the
exception
of
cannabis,
is
a
felony
in
illinois.
G
So
if
you
have
a
gram
of
psilocybin,
which
is
mushrooms
and
magic
mushrooms,
you
can
you
know,
that's
that's
a
felony,
and
so
the
city
of
evanston
does
not
have
under
home
rural
authority
the
ability
to
create
felonies
and
to
create
penalties
for
felonies.
G
G
What
I
think
is
going
to
be
what
I
think
needs
to
be
a
a
very
you
know,
long
thoughtful
process
to
reimagine
how
we
deal
with
with
with
addiction
issues
here
in
our
city,
and
so
what
I'm
looking
for
today
is
to
just
begin
that
discussion
to
give
our
law
department
a
bit
of
direction
to
do
some
research
into
you
know
their
determinations
we've
had-
and
I
hope
council
member
burns
with
chime
and
we've
had
the
moran
say.
G
Oh,
I
did
not
mention
that
we
met
with
the
moran
center
as
well
and
I'll
close
down.
Soon
we
met
with
the
moran
center
and
they've
done
a
bit
of
research
on.
I
think
this
topic,
as
well
as
well
as
the
the
one
of
the
subcommittees
to
the
reimagining
police
committee,
has
has
looked
into
this
a
bit,
and
so
I'm
hoping
human
services
can
take
this
up
and
that
we
can
have
staff
come
back.
G
You
know
either
at
our
next
meeting
or
the
subsequent
meeting,
and
we
meet
once
a
month
correct,
okay
at
either
next
month's
meeting.
The
meeting
after
that
come
back
with
their
interpretation
of
what
pathways
we
have
to
decriminalize
the
use
of
of
narcotics
here
and
begin
the
process
of
treating
it
as
a
public
health
issue
rather
than
a
a
criminal
issue.
A
All
right,
so
no
one
lights
are
on
yet
so
I'll
chime
in
with
my
two
cents
and
then
go
to
council
member
burns.
So
like
the
idea,
I
don't
think,
and
I'm
not
an
attorney,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
do
anything
to
supersede
the
constitution
of
the
state
right.
So
if
it's
a
felony
again,
not
an
attorney,
I
I
don't
know
you
know
your
your
idea
about
kind
of
de-prioritizing
it
you
know
is,
is
a
great
area,
but
definitely
pretty
pretty
sure
we
can't
supersede
the
constitution.
A
What
I
would
I
will
say
is
that
I
think
your
point
about
oregon
is
very
important.
If
you
look
up
now
and-
and
we
you
know-
had
a
certain
amount
of
homeless
people
before
the
pandemic,
we
were
very
gracious
in
offering
hotel
rooms
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
We
have
an
extraordinary
extraordinary
amount
of
homeless
people
now,
many
of
which
I
talk
to
when
I
can
many
of
which
have
told
me
that
they
are
not
from
here.
A
They
came
here
for
the
free
hotels
and
they
decided
to
stay,
which
is
their
productivity
as
a
free
country,
I'm
not
trying.
I'm
not
trying
to
run
anyone
out,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
did
one
thing
or
you
know
as
a
city,
we
did
one
thing
and
we
did
not
have
a
long-term
plan
for
that,
and
so
now
we
are,
you
know,
or
should
be
trying
to
make
a
long-term
plan.
A
For
now
the
newly
you
know
homeless
that
we
have
in
our
town,
based
on
our
gracious
offer
hotel
rooms,
so
that
would
definitely
be
my
concern
with
any
kind
of
de-prioritizing
x,
y
and
z.
You
know,
I
definitely
think
that
that
abuse
can
be.
You
know.
Public
health
issue
is
not
always
the
case.
Some
people
just
choose
to
use
and
not
because
they
have
mental
health
and
such,
but
I
would
you
know
if
we
don't
provide
some
service,
I'm
not
sure
like.
I
would
want
us
to
provide
some
service
right
now.
Just
say
like.
A
A
The
only
thing
I
will
say
about
jail
and
people
who
have
substance
abuse
problems
is
that
they
have
access
to
health
care
in
jail,
not
that
that's
where
you
should
go
for
for
health
care,
but
unless
we're
we
need
to
provide
access
to
health
care
and
access
the
treatment
which,
as
a
city,
we
don't
have
the
funding
to
do.
I
would
guess
at
this
point
and
from
sitting
on
you
know
many
committees
that
have
talked
about
this
in
the
in
the
county
over
the
last
year.
They
are
grappling
with
this
right.
A
The
county
is
trying
to
figure
out
like
how
we
kind
of
defer
people
or
how
they
kind
of
deter
people
from
jail
into
some
treatment,
and
there
is
just
not
enough
money
and
treatment
up
open
automobile,
and
I
found
that
with
alternative
the
9-1-1.
We
had
this
great
plan
talk
to
all
the
providers.
Everyone
says
yes,
this
is
great.
Let's
provide
mental
health.
A
You
know
therapy
crisis
support
on
the
street,
but
when
it
came
down
to
it,
even
though
the
state
has
now
given
money
to
agents
to
do
that,
agencies
are
saying
we
don't
have
the
staff
right.
We
want
to
do
this.
The
state
has
given
us
money
to
do
this,
but
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
actually
send
out
and
respond
to
someone
on
the
street
having
a
mental
health
breakdown.
That
is
the
same
thing.
The
county
is
finding
that's
the
same
thing.
A
lot
of
people
find
it.
A
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
but
I
think
we,
I
would
hope-
and
I
think
the
best
way
for
us
to
do
that
is
in
conjunction
with
the
county
or
you
know
some
other
larger
conglomerate.
That's
also
doing
it
so
that
where
we
can't
provide
support,
we
can
at
least
refer
and
get
people
some
support
right
so
that
we're
not
just
kind
of
turning
them
away
or
not
so
much
turn
them
away.
We're
not
turning
a
blind's
eye
to
this
the
treatment
that
they
actually
need.
A
Just
the
same
thing
with
their
you
know,
people
coming
out
of
prison.
I
think
saying
we
welcome
them
here
is
great,
but
if
we're
not
actually
providing
some
support
to
them,
are
we
really
helping?
So
that
would
be
my
concern
about
that.
A
A
Work
on
those
referrals
work
on
whatever
that
mechanism
of
help
is
before
we
just
go
ahead
and
say:
let's
bypass
the
law
again,
not
that
I
support
prison
or
anything
like
that.
But
I
think
it's
it's
it's
neglectful,
in
my
opinion,
in
some
ways
to
stop
one
thing
and
we
don't
fill
it
in
with
truly
what
somebody
needs.
Councilmember
burns.
H
H
We
thought
it
may
be
helpful
to
align
our
work
on
the
committee
with
his
referrals
so
that
we
have
engaged
group
of
people
who
are
looking
into
the
the
possibility
of
decriminalizing
drugs
to
to
some
extent,
and
so
we
have
definitely
landed
on
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
the
current
response
ability
capacity
in
place
currently
to
provide
what
has
been
called.
I
think
on
demand,
substance,
use
treatment
and-
and
I
think
that
also
includes
mental
access
to
mental
health
treatment
as
well.
H
We
don't
have
the
infrastructure
in
place,
and
so
the
discussion
that
we're
having
with
maureen
from
peer
services
was,
you
know
one.
We,
she
put
us
in
touch
with
their
clinician
at
saint
francis
hospital
who
works,
who
who,
who
works
with
people
entering
saint
francis
through
emergency,
the
emergency
room,
but
also
people
that
are
that
are
that
are
placed
that
that
stay
for
longer
periods
of
time-
and
you
know-
speaks
with
them
about
this
substance.
H
Use
issue
and
also
schedules
an
opportunity
for
them
to
receive
ongoing
counseling,
so
we
met
with
with
with
anthony
we
met
with
christine
mccall
who's.
The
clinical
director
of
peer
services
had
a
good
discussion
with
her,
and
I
just
received
an
email
from
irene
a
day
ago
and
her
recommendation
one
we're
trying
to
schedule
the
time
to
meet
with
turning
point,
and
I
can't
remember
her
name.
I
think
it's
corey
corey
something
at
turning
point.
They
provide,
I
believe
it's
called
a
living
room
and
they
prov.
H
A
What
occurs
to
me
is
that
there
needs
to
be
a
little
more
internal
communication,
because
automobile
and
I've
had
this
alternative
911
committee
for
a
year,
we've
met
with
all
these
people
marines
on
them.
We're
now
in
our
committee,
because
again
we
went
out
for
rfp
tried
to
find
some
clinicians
to
respond
on
the
street,
didn't
get
any
takers
and
speaking
with
turning
point
and
trilogy,
who
were
the
kind
of
the
two
people
we're
looking
at?
They
both
now
have
a
contract
with
the
state
to
provide
some
on
the
street
crisis.
H
A
Some
money,
but
there
are
no
staffers,
so
we
have
now
on
our
committee
just
to
give
you
guys
an
update
move
to
how
do
we
open
a
living
room
space
in
evanston,
because
this
became
very
apparent
through
our
work
is
even
if
we
have
clinicians
or
whoever
going
out
on
the
street
to
respond
to
people
in
crisis.
There
was
nowhere
to
take
them,
except
for
the
hospital
which
we
knew
was
not.
The
hospital
has
told
us.
The
clinicians,
I
told
us
was
not
the
space
for
people
who
need
long-term
supports
right.
A
So
I
can
save
you
a
little
bit
of
time
on
that,
because
we
do
need
that,
whether
it's
mental
health,
drug
abuse,
whatever
folks,
don't
have
a
space
to
go
even
for
an
entry
road
here
in
evanston
and
and
that's
huge
to
offer
them
that,
instead
of
just
saying,
don't
do
something
to
provide
them
somewhere
else
to
go.
So
anyway,
so
that.
H
H
Yeah,
so
this
that'll
be
a
a
small
part
of
turning
speaking
with
turning
point
to
be
a
small
part
of
our
focus.
I
think
we're
very
narrowly
right
now
at
least
focused
on
substance
use
and
treatment,
but
I
think
mental
health
plays
into
it,
and
so
we
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
talk
to
somebody
from
turning
point,
but
basically
maureen.
What
she's
recommending
is
that
we
talked
to
amita
saint
francis
there's,
chief
medical
officer,
chief
quality
officer
at
north
shore.
H
She
recommended
we
reached
out
to
external
affairs
and
director
of
crisis
services,
ejhs
202
she's,
giving
us
a
pretty
comprehensive
list
of
everybody
in
evanston
that
works
in
the
space
of
substance,
use
both
at
our
school
districts,
hospitals,
etc.
So
we'll
have
them
on
on
our
committees
during.
If
not,
we
actually
have
a
meeting
tomorrow.
H
Some
may
attend
that
meeting,
but
we'll
have
them
at
future
meetings
so
and
then
we're
also
look
working
with
the
moran
center,
patrick
keane
and
devlin,
to
really
determine
what
councilman
marie
mentioned,
whether
it's
ignoring
certain
state
code
or
as
he
put
it
de-prioritizing
it
we've
kicked
that
question
to
the
to
our
legal
law
department.
Already,
especially,
the
concern
is
the
worst
case
scenario.
H
We
are
we're
not
if
we're
not
making
arrests
and
an
individual
police
officer
says
I'm
going
to
make
that
arrest
anyway
right
and
what
type
of
standing
or
what?
H
What
type
of
ability
does
that
officer
have
to
to
not
follow
direction
from
the
city,
because
there's
some
language
in
state
code
that
may
compel
or
even
go
further
and
require
officers
to
make
arrests
in
certain
situations-
and
we
know
that's
true
under
under
the
law
enforcement
designation-
we're
looking
into
whether
or
not
that's
true
if
we
were
to
rename
or
not
it's
deep
in
renaming,
but
if
we
would
have
peace
officers
in
evanston
as
opposed
to
law
enforcement
officers,
who
you
know,
law
enforcement
officers
are
really
meant
to
enforce.
H
You
know
the
criminal
code,
whereas
if
you
look
at
the
language
around
peace
officers,
they're
tasked
with
keeping
the
peace
right,
so
there
may
be
some
flexibility
there
to
hire
on
peace
officers
instead
of
law
enforcement
officers
and
having
them.
You
know
working
through
our
new
policy
if
we
just
decide
to
decriminalize
or
de-prioritize
and
so
we're.
H
My
point
is
we're
look
we're
working
with
the
legal
department
already
on
on
these
questions,
we're
working
with
with
patrick
keenan
devlin
from
the
moran
center,
some
of
his
law
clerks
and
and
we're
also
working
with
peer
services
right
now
and
and
maureen
from
peer
services
will
introduce
this
to
other
people
in
the
substance
you
space.
So
my
recommendation
is
that
we
can
continue
to
work
this
out
in
the
committee.
Certainly
if
people
on
this
committee
wanted
to
participate,
they
could
it's
an
open
meeting.
H
We,
you
know
we
have
members
from
the
from
the
public
talk
about
it,
but
it's
going
to
be
redundant
because
we're
going
to
continue
that
work,
so
yeah.
G
Yeah,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
committee
taking
that
up
and
I
I
actually
don't
think
it's
redundant.
I
think
the
focus
of
the
reorganization,
the
structural
organization,
is,
you
know.
Drug
policy
is
a
part
of
that.
It's
one
of
the
big
things
that
we
do
here
and
so
it's
something
to
look
at,
but
I
think
this
is
a
specific
policy
that
I
think
human
services
is
best
tasked
with
actually
moving
the
actually
passing
the
actual
ordinance.
G
That
would
decriminalize,
and
I
think
the
your
committee
has
a
a
role
in
that
and.
H
Again,
this
isn't
something
real
quick
though,
but
we're
we're
working
on
it
because
we're
we
only
have
maybe
six
or
seven
committee
members
we're
squarely
working
on
this
particular,
like
everything
you
just
said,
is
what
we're
working
on
until
we
finish
it,
so
you
would
be
making
or
the
human
services
committee
will
be,
making
requests
of
the
law
department.
While
this
committee
is
making
the
same
request,
because.
H
G
Enforcement
right,
which
is
which
I
think
is
again
a
really
good
question
for
the
reorganization,
the
structural
organization,
and
it
certainly
plays
a
role
with
this.
But
my
request
here
for
specifically
decriminalization
is
you
know
to
ask
the
law
department
to
look
in
to
what
powers
we
have
specifically
to
decriminalize
narcotics
and
which
again
part
of
it
plays
into
the
role
of
you,
know:
peace,
officer
versus
law
enforcement
officer,
but
two
two
quick
points
that
alderman
some
other
folks
raised.
G
First,
I
think
when
it
comes
to
sending
folks
to
jail
for
or
to
prison
for
for
drug
use
or
possession,
you
know,
that's
not
a
service,
it
doesn't
help
and
it's
actually
a,
I
think,
many
everyone
we
spoke
to
and
many
folks
who
work
in
this
space
would
say
it's
more
harmful
to
send
them
to
prison
and
to
put
them
in
an
environment
with
folks
who
are,
you
know,
involved
in
all
kinds
of
other
stuff,
and
so
I
do
think
you
know
again.
G
I'm
not
I'm
looking
to
you
know
not
have
this
done
overnight
and
a
strong,
a
long
process,
but
I
don't
think
it
you
know,
because
we
don't
have
a
response
fully
fleshed
out,
that
we
can't
continue
the
work
of
figuring
out
if
we
can
even
do
this
in
the
first
place
and
that's
and
what
our
limitations
are
and
then
based
on
understanding
what
the
limitations
are
figure
out.
What
we
want
to
pursue,
and
so
my
request
is,
is
that
we
have
the
law
department
just
look
into
specifically.
G
What
are
the
city
of
evanston's?
You
know
what
what
routes
can
we
take
to
decriminalize
and
if
it's
not
full
decriminalization?
Is
it
deep
prioritization?
And
I
say
that
because
you
know
there
are
plenty
of
felonies
that
exist.
G
If
my
employer
were
to
not
pay
me
a
thousand
dollars
in
that
there
was
a
thousand
dollars
worth
of
wage
theft,
that
could
be
a
felony
and
we
don't
have
a
division
in
the
evanston
police
department
that
goes
after
jewel
or
some
large
corporation,
and
it
determines
whether
or
not
you
know
they
are
committing
felonious
wage
theft
or
some
other.
You
know
felonious
act,
and
so
the
de-prioritization
is
just
saying
there
are
plenty
of
laws
out
there
plenty
of
felonies.
G
This
is
one
that
we're
not
going
to
have
an
entire
division
and
spend
an
inordinate
amount
of
time,
specifically
searching
for
as
we
do
with
many
other
crimes,
particularly
those
involving
our
corporate
neighbors.
B
B
So
I
hope,
the
next
time
we
have
this
conversation.
You
know
whether
it's
our
corporate
council,
looking
into
it
it's
doing
the
same
thing
that
almond
fleming
did
like.
Let's
talk
about
helping
people,
because
we
all
know
too
many
people
who
have
died,
and
it's
not
the
the
use
of
substance,
it's
the
behavior
that
comes
with
it
and
what
people
will
do
and
if
I
I
don't
see
how
you
separate
that
in
this
conversation,
so
I
hope
you
continue
to
have
those
community
meetings.
B
I
hope
that
you
continue
to
do
those
roundtables
of
finding
the
gaps
of
where
there's
a
lack
of
treatment,
and
then
I
would
hope
the
strategic
thing
that
we
could
then
do
is
really
galvanize
around
like
fundraising
efforts
and
bringing
more
awareness
to
it,
but
the
conversation
of
decriminalizing
without
like
building
sustainable
resources
and
bringing
together
our
our
organizations
around
this
issue.
We've
talked
about
heroin
in
the
past.
B
I
just
again
that
is
my
recommendation
to
you
all
to
continue
to
explore
the
resources
before
we
even
touch
this
whole
issue
of
decriminalizing,
and
I
want
every
like
student
family
who's
dealing
with
members
who
are
who
are
struggling
with
substance
abuse.
To
understand
that
there's.
Somebody
saying
like
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
we
focus
on
the
resources,
not
saying
that
it's
okay
to
decriminalize.
It.
A
All
right,
so
it
is
a
quarter
to
11..
We
were
going
to
talk
about
this
for
10
minutes,
we've
gone
past.
So
can
I.
A
Can
I
finish
my
conversation,
you
don't
know
what
I
was
going
to
do
because
you're
letting
me
finish,
I
was
going
to
say
there
was
two
more
people
who
had
their
lights
on.
I'm
going
to
give
you
guys
these
three
minutes,
because
we
it's
almost
11
o'clock.
I'm
gonna
take
my
two
minutes
to
say
I'm
not
in
council
member
burns's
subcommittee,
but
he
has
said
that
they
are
working
on
this.
A
He
has
said
they're
taking.
They
have
one
question
into
the
law
department.
I
imagine
they
can
ask
another
question
of
the
law
department
they
want.
He
is
the
chair
of
that
committee.
I
don't
plan
on
coming
to
that
committee.
He,
but
he
seems
to
as
a
chair
have
committed
to
this
I
think
given
and
I'm
not
one
to
necessarily
defend
staff
or
whatever
else,
but
given
that
we
only
have
several
people
in
our
law
department.
A
A
You
know
through
the
ranks
and
up
the
channels,
and
then
we
would
have
more
in
front
of
us
to
have
a
discussion
on
instead
of
having
them
kind
of
work
on
one
piece
with
him,
one
piece
with
us,
and
then
you
know
we're
not
coordinated
as
a
as
an
entity
right
he's
working
on
something
we're
working
on
something
and
we're
hoping
in
the
end
it's
going
to
come
together.
A
At
least
I
would
and
again
I
will
say
you
know
we're
also
what
people
think
about
drug
use
and
whatever
else
I
would
have
a
hard
time
moving
forward
with
decriminalizing
whatever,
without
having
some
supports
in
place
for
people,
because
I
want
them
to
ultimately
get
the
help
that
they
need
or
want
versus
just
and
I'm
not
going
to
give
you
a
ticket
same
same
issue.
I
have
with
the
homeless
we
have
here.
I
have
a
soft
spot
for
homeless
folks.
A
I
think
it's
great
that
we
offer
them
all
these
hotels,
but
essentially
pandemic's
over
now.
We
just
have
more
homes,
people
on
our
street
and
we
don't
have
resources
to
offer
them.
We
don't
have
housing
to
offer
them,
so
we've
moved
them
from
being
homeless
in
one
place
just
being
homeless
here,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
best
service
delivery.
I
don't
want
anybody
to
be
homeless,
but
particularly,
I
don't
want
to
offer
you
a
home.
A
A
H
No,
I
I
just
wanted
to
double
down
on
that
that
I
think
after
hearing
councilman
reed,
I
my
my
position
is
the
same.
I
think
really
the
the
question
that
he
has
can
be
a
question
that
comes
out
of
the
committee.
One
two
either
way
like
the
enforcement
of
deprioritization
is
going
to
come
down
to
an
individual
police
officer.
H
So,
no
matter
what
we
have
to
figure
out,
what
cannon
you
know
can
what
what
a
individual
officer
is
compelled
to
do
required
to
do
by
state
statute
again
and
that's
something
that
we're
we're
really
working
on,
but
I
think
adding
the
question
that
he
has
it's
just
another
question
to
the
law
department.
H
I
also
don't
want
to
be
remission
and
not
mention
that
we
also
want
to
include
our
health
director,
who
was
here
today
like
ogbo
in
that
discussion,
so
he
will
be
100
invited
to
our
meetings,
and
I
think
that-
and
we
really
we're
taking
councilman
reid's,
lead
on
this,
where,
as
he
met
with
a
lot
of
the
members
of
the
substance,
use
treatment,
we've
gathered
them
around
a
con
continued
discussion
around
the
issue
and
I
think
that's
the
power
of
it
is
he
he
councilman
reid,
received
some
really
good
initial
feedback
from
him
and
now
we're
saying
hey.
H
Can
you
attend
every
meeting
now
which
we've
had
them
on
maureen
on
from
peer
services?
The
last
two
meetings,
I
believe
and
we'll
continue
to
add
people
to
that
group
to
look
at
how
we
can
put
the
substance
use
treatment,
especially
the
on-demand
substance,
use
treatment
in
place
that
would
make
it
possible,
I
think,
to
to
not
only
implement
some
type
of
decriminalization
policy
but
to
make
sure
that
that
there's
a
benefit
from
it.
I
think
there's
some
data
out
there,
councilman
reema
even
have
read
it.
H
G
G
What
I
want
is
to
understand
what
our
powers
are
as
a
city,
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
can't,
and
I
I
certainly
think,
as
I
opened
up
with
that,
we
have
to
have
a
treatment
response
in
place,
and-
and
so
I
am
fully
supportive
of
that,
but
I
think
before
we
spin
our
wheels-
and
you
know
figure
out
if
you
know
we
could
put
together
this
wonderful
treatment
plan,
but
if
we
don't
even
have
the
ability
to
defer
people
to
that
treatment
as
opposed
to
the
carceral
system,
then
we've
spun
our
wills
for
no
reason.
G
So
that's
why
I
think
it's
key
to
understand.
Can
we
even
you
know
what
are
our
abilities
to
either
decriminalize
de
prioritize
and
the
the
issue
that
has
happened
to
the
black
community
alderman
or
you
know
the
council.
My
my
colleagues
on
this
committee
is
not
just
the
use
of
of
of
narcotics,
but
specifically
government's
response
to
that
use.
G
It
was
mentioned,
you
know,
crack
cocaine
and
we
know
that
there's
a
difference
in
the
way
that
crack
and
coker
are
adjudicated
legally,
and
so
we
know
that
these
policies
have
had
a
racist
impact.
It's
not
just
the
use
of
the
drugs,
it
is
the
the
way
that
we've
responded,
and
that
is
the
thing
that
we
I
believe
we
have
to
stop
the
harm
that
we
are
causing
and,
to
the
other
point
about
the
folks
who
are
the
homeless
population.
G
I
think
the
the
the
parallels
are
a
little
different.
I
mean
if
we
want
to
make
an
analogy:
it'd
be
like
you
know,
there's
a
a
a
a
a
factory
in
in
our
city,
that's
spewing
out
pollution
and
sure
we
ne
and
there's
higher
rates
of
asthma
in
that
community.
Because
of
the
pollution.
G
We
want
to
stop
the
factory
from
spewing,
the
pollution.
And
yes,
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
health
care
for
the
folks
who
may
have
been
exposed
to
carcinogens
or
whatever
or
asthma.
But
we
want
to
stop
the
pollution.
And
what
I'm
saying
here
is
that
we
have
to
stop
the
thing
that
we
know
is
causing
harm,
which
is
the
carceral
response,
and
then
we
also
at
the
same
time,
I
think
we
can
walk
into
your
gum.
G
We
also
have
to
figure
out
a
response,
but
I
don't
think
we
sh
an
alternative
response,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
stop
looking
into
you
know,
ending
the
pollution
and
ending
you
know
the
harm
that
we're
causing,
because
we
haven't
found
a
you
know
solution.
Yet
I
think
we
can
do
both.
I
think
both
need
to
happen,
but
I
think
we
can
still
begin
the
process
of
of
looking
into.
You
know
whether
what
we
can
do
with
this
and
so.
G
If
I
can
make
one
last
point
about
one
last
point,
yes
into
council
member
burns's
point
about
this
and
the
committee
again,
I
think
it
certainly
plays
a
role
in
their
important
questions
that
can
be
answered
in
that
committee.
But
I
don't
know
if
drug
decriminalization
overall,
I
think
that
you
know
peace
officer
in
certain
roles
that
and
things
that
relate
to
it.
I
don't
know
if
a
subcommittee
of
reimagining
police,
you
know
the
structural
organization-
is
the
place
for
this
to
fully
be
housed.
A
A
That's
the
one
piece
right,
there's
a
lot
of
things
to
this,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
subcommittee
that
is
already
committed
and
starting
to
talk
and
figuring
out-
and
maybe
they
haven't
asked
this
one
question
yet
why
would
we
take
that
from
them
not
take
it,
but
why
would
we
duplicate
their
efforts
when
they
have
the
expertise?
They
have
the
time
they're
totally
committed
and
they
can
bring
it
to
human
services
and
say
this
is
what
our
research
or
whatever
has
shown
us
these
our
recommendations,
and
then
we
can
go
from
there
right.
A
I
just
feels
like
again:
I'm
not
there.
It
feels
like
a
duplication
of
efforts.
You
know,
hopefully,
council
member
burns
can
add
your
question
in
to
the
conversation
you
guys
can
flush
it
out
more.
It
can
come
back
up
here
and
then,
as
this
subcommittee
within
our
capacity,
can
start
to
think
about
some
city
policies.
Once
we
have
more
information,
I
don't
know
that
you're
one.
In
my
opinion,
your
one
question
is
still
going
to
get
me
the
information
I
need
to
move
forward
for
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
realize
what
you're
saying
is.
A
This
is
one
piece
and
I
do
agree,
but
we
still
need
to
make
a
comprehensive
plan
to
be
responsible
stewards
of
government
money
and-
and
we
have
a
bazillion
other
things
that
this
committee
is
charged
with
looking
at.
So
I
don't
know
why
we
would
rush
it
out
of
this
subcommittee.
That
has
the
time
and
the
interest
in
doing
the
smaller,
not
smaller,
but
putting
all
the
pieces
together
and
respect
them
in
their
work
and
then
have
them
bring
it
to
us.
But
anyhow,
I
I
took
more
time
than
I
supposed
to
so.
A
We
heard
your
plea.
It
sounds
like
there's
no
support
on
this
committee
to
have
direct
our
legal
department
to
do
anything
with
it.
We
will
wait
to
hear
from
reimagining
public
safety
and
their
report
and
their
findings,
and
we
can,
you
know,
hear
from
them
again
when
they're
ready,
so
it
is
five
minutes
to
eleven.
I
moved
we
adjourned
this
meeting.