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A
All
right
welcome
everyone
welcome
everyone
to
the
human
services
committee
meeting
of
monday
march,
7th
2022,
and
I
declare
that
we
have
a
quorum
present,
so
we
can
begin
our
business
and
the
first
item
of
business
is
approval
of
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting.
If,
like
of
our
february
7th
meeting,
could
someone
make
a
motion
on
that
sure.
B
I
will
I'd
like
to
move
the
approval
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
february
7
2022.
A
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
D
A
Opposed
no
all
right
minutes
are
approved
and
then
I'm
gonna
do
public
comment.
As
as
we
get
to
each
item,
okay,.
E
A
A
Wait
a
second
bobby
second,
okay,
council
member
braythrate.
You
want
to
speak
to
your
motion.
B
Sure,
I'm
just
I'm
glad
to
support
the
family
in
this
effort.
I
I
think
for
those
of
you
who,
if
the
name
doesn't
sound,
familiar
chief
bill,
logan,
former
evanston
police
chief,
very
instrumental
in
a
lot
of
activity
around
town.
All
the
information
is
in
the
the
packet
founder
of
I
mean
first
black
many
things.
First,
black
chief,
he
is
served
the
high
school
he
served
as
the
founder
of
the
chessman
club
of
fam,
ecdc
and
the
list
goes
on.
A
A
All
right,
then
I
think,
can
we
have
a
roll
call
on
that.
B
A
And
council
member
burns,
would
you
make
a
motion
on
hs2?
Please.
C
B
A
G
Good
evening
older
person
ravel
has
about
178
emails
from
me
with
various
levels
of
frustration,
and
I
was
trying
to
decide
what
to
say
today
and
I
tried
to
distill
all
that
into
one
comment
thing.
So
this
is
just
a
story
that
I'm
gonna
read
and
hopefully
from
this
you'll
understand
the
situation
that
about
40
plus
families
live
in
and
how
we'd
like
to
get
it
fixed.
G
So
here's
my
compilation,
you're
in
the
backyard
of
your
home,
you've
invited
your
mom
and
dad
and
your
kids
are
trying
to
figure
out
which
hand
and
which
grandpa
has
the
candy
hidden
dinner
is
finished
and
you
are
sitting
talking
and
visiting
your
neighbor.
Not
that
many
feet
away
is
setting
up
drums
a
bass,
guitar,
a
steel
string,
guitar
and
two
microphones
on
stand
in
their
backyard
right
next
to
yours.
G
G
G
It
turns
it
down
from
a
level
10
on
his
amplifier
to
a
level
6,
which
happens
to
be
the
exact
same
level
of
sound
or
decibels
that
you
hear
from
your
car,
while
changing
your
tire
on
94
during
rush
hour.
It's
the
same
level.
It's
an
arbitrary
level
same
thing,
so
you
call
the
police
they
come
and
they
say
that
your
neighbor
has
a
permit
and
can
keep
his
band
pumping,
not
a
10,
but
it's
six,
which
is
the
arbitrary
level
that
was
set
on
their
permit.
G
So
they
keep
it
going.
You
call
and
call
again
with
no
result.
You
talk
to
your
older
person
over
and
over
and
over,
and
I
didn't
mention
the
emails
to
your
empathetic
alder
person
says
that
their
hands
are
tied
because
there
is
a
permit
with
an
arbitrary
sound
limit
and
the
current
sound
ordinance
is
ambiguous.
G
That's
why
I'm
here
today
I
love
american
legion
post
42.
I
am
a
paid
member
of
squadron
42.
I
love
canal
shores.
I
personally
rebuilt
its
decimated
board
and
helped
its
recovery
from
near
bankruptcy
about
a
dozen
years
ago,
as
the
board
president,
I've
lived
in
my
home
quite
near
the
legion
hall
for
43
years.
G
G
A
G
H
Hi,
council
members,
my
name
is
andy
lazar,
I'm
a
homeowner
who's
lived
in
the
sasila
condominiums
on
central
street
for
nearly
20
years
now.
Eleanor,
I
hope
you'll.
Excuse
me
if
this
is
a
repeat
of
a
story.
You've
heard
I've
got
42
great
fellow
homeowners
that
were
a
mix
of
family
seniors
teachers,
doctors,
municipal
employees,
young
professionals
and
such
that
live
in
the
building.
I
occupy.
H
We
all
willingly
and
knowingly
purchased
our
homes
years
ago,
accepting
this
as
part
of
the
deal,
but
that
has
significantly
changed
for
the
worst
over
the
last
couple
years
and
it
has
negatively
impact
our
owners
and
our
neighbors
in
ways.
We
could
not
have
imagined
when
many
of
us
first
moved
into
our
homes.
H
For
those
of
you
who
aren't
familiar
with
our
unique
location,
our
building
stands
opposite
the
canal
shores.
Golf
course
an
american
legion
post,
42,
it
was
built
in
1924,
will
soon
be
celebrating
our
100th
birthday
and,
while
we're
all
big
fans
of
our
building,
unfortunately,
its
unique
location
stands
as
a
catch-all
for
all
the
sound
that
travels
across
from
the
canal.
We
cannot
change
that.
H
Over
the
last
couple
of
years,
we've
witnessed
shocking
and
steadily
disturbing
increases
in
the
use
of
our
neighbors
property,
not
a
few
hundred
feet
from
our
homes.
What
was
once
a
quiet
golf
course,
and
a
hall
for
veterans
to
commiserate
has
rapidly
degraded
into
a
local
watering
hole
and
an
outdoor
concert
venue.
H
H
H
I
won't
go
on.
We
fully
understand
that
our
neighbors
across
the
canal
have
a
right
to
remain
viable,
but
we
can
also
not
accept
trading
our
right
for
peace
for
their
financial
success.
We
didn't
sign
up
for
this
and
we're
pleading
for
your
help.
So,
in
short,
we
fully
support
alderman
revel
in
any
efforts
that
the
city
council
might
endeavor
to
help
us
to
gain
our
peace
in
our
homes.
Back.
H
H
A
Sorry,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
provide
just
a
bit
of
a
discussion
about
the
proposed
amendments
and
then
open
it
up
to
conversation
from
the
rest
of
the
committee.
So
the
first
paragraph
you
notice
in
the
proposed
amendments
is
basically
to
delete
that
whole
first
paragraph,
and
this
is
on
the
advice
of
our
corporation
council,
because
this
reasonable
person
standard
is
just
very
subjective
and
very
difficult
to
enforce.
Objectively.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
striking
out
that
paragraph.
A
A
And
this
distance
was
chosen
because
it's
roughly
the
distance
between
the
post-42
patio
and
and
the
condominium
building
across
the
canal,
then
the
next
subsection
would
say
if,
if
you
do
want
to
have
an
event
with
a
loudspeaker
or
amplified
music,
that
you
should
have
get
a
permit
and
we
have
a
long-standing
loudspeaker
permit,
and
so
they
would
just
be
acquiring
that.
Permit
that
there's
a
copy
in
our
packet
and
then
I've
decided
that
realize
in
the
last
couple
of
days
that
one
additional
amendment
is
needed.
A
A
new
subsection,
five
and-
and
basically
it
would
say
something
like
provisions
in
this
section-
do
not
apply
to
events
sponsored
by
organizations
that
have
obtained
a
special
event
permit
approved
by
the
city
council.
And
I
think
we
should
consider
that,
because
that
would
apply
to
concerts
like
our
space
concerts,
which
have
become
basically
a
community
summer
tradition.
A
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
council
member
ravel,
one
for
reaching
out
to
me
earlier
about
this.
I've
had
conversations
with
a
number
of
folks
about
this,
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
thinking
and
one
chief
eddington.
I
was
actually
signaling
for
you,
so
if
chief
edington,
I
know
you're
in
the
aldermanic
library,
if
you
want
to
pop
it.
Oh
there
you
are.
E
Thank
you
and
miss
ozaribo.
This
may
be
a
question
for
you
as
well,
so
whoever,
but
I
think,
chief
edington-
you
can
answer
this.
So
our
when
we
have
when
we
set
an
ordinance
such
as
the
noise
ordinance
are
all
of
our
ordinances
prohibiting
certain
behavior.
Is
that
then
an
arrestable
offense.
E
What,
if
there's
no
penalty
listed,
is
it?
How
do
you
cite
if
there's
no
penalty.
J
B
E
I
Okay,
if,
if
I'm
a
council
member,
I
I
think
it's
a
regular
c
ticket
that
we're
just
there's
going
to
be
a
monetary
amount.
However,
from
the
parts
of
the
conversations
I've
gleaned
thus
far,
I
I
if,
if
there's
a
city
permit
for
an
activity,
it's
kind
of
outside
the
scope
of
our
authority,
to
then
cite
someone
if
they're
saying
here's
my
permit,
I'm
following
the
rules.
E
Sure,
but
the
ordinance
as
constructed
the
rule
says
noise
prohibited.
If
it,
you
know,
meets
a
certain
criteria
that
we
would
then
get
rid
of.
So
I
just
want
to
be
sure
for
miss
ozrigbar
city
attorney.
What
is
the
penalty?
What
is
the
fine
that
can
be
issued.
J
Sure
I
hope
to
look
into
what
the
actual
fine
would
be,
but
it
would
be
a
citation
as
far
as
issued
with
violating
the
ordinance
wouldn't
be
an
arrestable
offense.
A
And
and
just
to
interject,
the
our
loudspeaker
permit.
Application
does
have
language
that
says
if
police
department
reserves
the
right
to
request
immediate
shutoff
of
amplification
based
on
neighborhood
complaints.
So
a
lot
of
it
is
basically
complaint
driven
and
then
up
to
the
police
officers
responding
to
decide
what
what
to
do
about
the
noise.
I
Well
I
like
rock
and
roll,
it
sounds
fine
to
me
or
you
send
out
rich
eddington
who's
his
little
bit
of
a
hearing
loss.
He
says
it
doesn't
seem
that
loud
to
me
we're
we're
we're,
depending
on
a
perception
of
someone
who
shouldn't
be
put
in
that
position
and
and
so
from
listening
to
the
conversation,
I
think
we
have
to
roll
this
back
to
the
permitting
process
and
an
established
criterion,
and
if
and
I
understand
completely
what
the
neighbors
are
saying
if,
if
six
is
still
rattling
my
fillings,
we
need
to
do
something
else.
D
I
And
understand
that
it's
impacting
on
their
quality
of
life,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
this
on
the
beat
officer
who's,
responding
to
a
call
for
service
that
it
frankly
we're
we're
out
of
our
depth.
Let
the
permitting
process
do
this.
Then
we
can
use
the
noise
meters
to
measure
if
they're
within
bounds.
Okay,.
E
J
J
And
violation
in
this
section
would
be
punishable
by
a
fine
not
less
than
one
hundred
dollars,
nor
more
than
five
hundred
dollars
for
the
first
offense,
not
less
than
one
hundred
fifty
dollars,
no
more
than
five
hundred
dollars
for
a
second
offense
and
then
not
less
than
two
hundred
dollars,
no
more
than
five
hundred
dollars
for
a
subsequent
offense
committed
within
one
year,
the
first
offense,
so
that
would
be
the
punishment
structure
for
the
violation.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
E
Yeah
so
one
I
have
some
a
number
of
reservations
or
concerns
about
this,
but
one
thing
I
do
want
to
get
on
the
books
that
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
is
that
as
what
our
corporation
council
wanted
us
to
avoid,
which
is
having
a
loosely
constructed
ordinance
that
was
left
up
to
discretion
rather
than
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
E
I
would
like
to
see
us
amend
the
section
that
says
as
to
be
louder
than
an
average
conversational
level
at
a
distance
of
75
or
750
feet
from
the
property
line
to
say
at
a
level
councilmember
ravel-
and
I
discussed
this
earlier-
there's
you
know
decibel
folks
out
there
folks
who
have
measured.
You
know
kind
of
average
decibels
for
certain
noise,
and
you
know
a
quiet
office
has
is
about
50
to
60
decibels.
E
E
City
traffic
noise
is
about
80
decibels.
So
I
I
wonder:
if
do
we
want
to
set
this
as
opposed
to
just
normal
conversational
level?
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
set
a
a
decibel
rate
of
a
move
that
we
set
it
at
65
decibels,
as
opposed
to
the
kind
of
vague
language
of
conversation.
A
Okay,
so
that's
you're,
making.
A
Okay,
and
so
it
would
read
in
such
a
manner
as
to
be
louder
than
65
decibels
at
a
distance
of
750
feet.
Correct
is
there
a
second
to
that
amendment.
C
And
and
and
council
member
ravel-
we
talked
about
this
earlier,
but
is
this
continuous
right?
Because
in
our
conversation
we
said
that
you
know
okay,
the
loudspeaker
could
be
at
one.
D
C
And
then
maybe
it
it
it
peaks
every
time
the
host
says
something,
and
so
is
this
continuous?
Is
it
if
it
happens
once
and
and
I'm
and
I'm
thinking
about
again
responding
police
officer
or
hopefully,
at
some
point,
a
community.
You
know
when
we
adopt
a
community
responder
model
that
it
is
an
unarmed
person
doing
this,
but
either
way
there's
someone
that
has
to
go
out
and
understand
how
to
apply
this
this
ordinance.
So
I
just
need
a
little
help.
Understanding
how
that
will
work.
B
I
I
don't
I
know,
but
just
so
I
so
two
things.
First
in
terms
of
the
decimals,
you
know
that's
something
that
can
be
measured
on
your
phone
on
an
app
I
it's
it's
not
a
part
of
the
packet,
so
I'm
just
a
little
bit
reluctant
to
adopt
that
so
quickly
without
having
a
clear
understanding
of
what
those
values
mean,
because
that
is
something
that's
that's
measurable,
so
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
But
I
think
I
I
don't
like
doing
things
on
the
fly
and
I
would
want
just.
B
I
think
we
would
all
want
a
little
bit
more
information.
I
I
wanted
to
use
my
time
to
get
a
little
bit
more
understanding
from
the
neighbors,
and
I've
said
this
before
you
know
the
noise
and
the
things
that
happen
in
town
contribute
to
the
vibrancy.
I
live
in
close
proximity
to
the
high
school
and
there's
an
event
there
almost
every
single
week-
and
I
and
I
know
that
neighbors
are
tolerable
of
that,
because
we
understand
that
it's
their
kids
functions,
just
as
if
you
live
close
to
a
train
station
or
stadium.
B
Ignorant
to
the
fact
of
noise
and
you
are
entitled
to
a
quality
of
life
just
like
any
other
resident,
so
I
was
more
leaning
into
understanding
the
distinction
and
making
sure
neighbors
were
understanding
of
the
distinction
between
an
event.
That's
permitted
versus
what
I
can't
recall,
someone
described
as
loud
noises
coming
from
a
golf
course
at
all
hours
of
the
night.
I
definitely
see
it.
I
see
a
difference
between
that
versus
an
event
that
is
permitted
and
we
understand
that
there
are
concerts
just
as
there
are
concerts
and
activities
all
around
town.
B
So
I
guess
I
was
looking
to
you
aldermanville
or
just
a
nod
from
the
neighbors
that
everyone
is
okay
with
that,
because
my
concern
is
if
we
pass
something
like
this,
I'm
thinking
again,
events
at
evanston,
township,
high
school
attend
events
that
happen
all
around
towns
that
involve
kids
and
being
loud.
I'm
also
thinking
we
have.
I
have
parts
of
downtown
evanston
where
they
do
concerts
during
the
nights
on
certain
days
and
activities
where
everyone
gets
to
participate.
B
D
D
B
A
Has
been
in
place
for
a
long
time,
and
then
we
have
special
event
permits
that
come
to
the
council
for
approval,
and
so
I
would
think,
given
that
that
we've
got
that
element
of
city
council
approval
that
those
events
would
not
would
be
exempt
from
this.
Okay.
A
Because
they
get
they
get
extra
scrutiny
as
it
is.
So.
The
real
question
is
these:
I
can
call
them
an
event
but
they're,
not
they're,
much
more
informal
and
so
we're
trying
to
address
the
noise
that
comes
from
those
so
because
post
42
rents
out
its
facility
for
people
who
want
to
have
birthday
parties,
etc.
Right.
E
Well,
the
motion
on
the
floor
is
still
about
the
decibels,
so
I
mean,
if
they're
other
council
members,
I
think
you
know
this.
I
didn't
make
up
65
decibels.
Nor
did
I
do
my
own.
You
know
like
independent
research,
going
around
collecting
conversations
and
measuring
this
is
just
research
that
has
been
done.
It's
very
clear
that
you
know
laughter
normal
conversation
is
about
at
65
decibels,
and
so,
rather
than
leaving
the
language
vague,
I
think
prescribing
something
hard
and
fast
that
we
can
measure
and
actually
hold
people
accountable.
E
To
is
the
best
way
to
do
that.
So
so
that's
the
reason
for
the
amendment.
I
have
other
things,
but
I
do
want
to
deal
with
that.
First
and
foremost,.
A
Yeah
and
and
I've
looked
at
a
number
of
other
communities
and
how
they
handle
this
and
and
several
of
them
do
use
a
decibel
limit.
Others
are
more
in
the
vein
of
the
conversational
level,
so
they're,
you
know
a
variety
of
ways
to
handle
this,
but
I
don't
quite
know
how
to
respond
to
council
member
burns
question
I
mean
because
certainly
the
bans
that
our
neighbors
are
listening
to,
they
fluctuate
a
lot,
but
but
the
overall
impact
is
higher
than
conversational
level.
C
Know
just
know
we
discussed
on
the
call
that
if,
in
other
past
instances
officer
responds
when
they
get
there,
they're
not
it's
not
reading,
you
know
higher
than
whatever
the
allowable
amount
is,
and
so
I
just
think
we
see
need
some
language
to
give
some
direction
to
responding
officers
in
those
situations.
Well,.
A
When,
when
the
officers
responded
last
summer,
the
allowable
decibel
level
was
much
higher
than
what
we're
talking
about
here,
I
think
I
mean
or
somewhat
higher,
so
I
do.
I
do
worry
about
whether
65
I
mean.
I
know
all
the
literature
that
you
and
I've
been
looking
at
says.
55
50
to
65
is
conversational
level,
but
65
might
I'd
be
more
comfortable
with
60.
I
think.
C
And
then,
and
then
just
understanding
that
I
think
councilman
reed
said
a
hairdryer
is,
is
higher
than
obviously
the
normal
speaking
voice,
and
so
do
these
readers
are,
they
are
they
able
to
single
out
noise,
so
who's
to
say
a
completely
unrelated
noise
in
the
immediate
area
isn't
being
picked
up
by
this
reader
while
at
the
same
time
the
event
is
going
on?
Well,.
D
C
A
That's
another
concern:
having
walked
around
the
sasila
building
on
numerous
occasions
with
a
sound
meter,
I
mean
basically
you
you
can
hear
when
the
train
goes
by
and
you
see
the
meter
react
and-
and
you
can
distinguish
that
very
easily
from
the
the
music
part.
So
and
you
know
it's
been
85
dbs
when
I've
been
over
by
sicilla.
B
B
I
I
think
that
if
we
push
this
back
to
our
staff,
clearly
their
metrics
for
measuring
the
noise
and
if
the
neighbors
can
be
understanding,
maybe
for
one
more
month
that
we
have
a
chart
that
we
can
read
and
then
all
get
an
understanding
on
the
same
page.
Then
I
think
it's
something
that's
valuable
again.
My
concern
is
rushing
to
something
that's
going
to
have
an
impact
citywide.
Just
given
all
the
events
that
we
have.
D
B
D
B
D
B
A
Right,
I
think
that's
a
good
suggestion.
Councilmember
reed.
E
But
what
I
will
say
is,
I
think,
that's
fine.
I
do
want
to
bring
up
a
few
other
things
as
as
we
think
about
this
two
council
member
braithwaite
point
about
how
you
know
the
one
of
the
things
I
often
try
to
do
is
locate
it
like
a
with
my
my
imaginary
law
degree
that
hangs
up
above
my
mantle.
E
That
is
also
imaginary
and
look
at
it
judiciously,
and
I
wonder,
for
example,
I
think
about
northwestern
and
all
of
their
games
and
every
single
game
at
northwestern
is
going
to
produce
noise.
That
is
over
whatever
decibel
we
set
that
we
think
is
reasonable
and
it's
going
to
emanate
more
than
750
feet
away
from
that
property,
and
are
we
just
saying
it
with
this
ordinance?
E
If
we
adopted
this
ordinance
as
it
is
now,
it
would
essentially
ban
any
activity
at
that
stadium,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
design
the
ordinance
in
a
way
that
accounts
for
that,
and
so
and
then
the
question
is,
you
know:
do
we
include
in
the
ordinance
and
exemption
for
the
u2
district?
E
Do
we,
but
then
does
that
create
a
you
know
are
folks
can
be
upset
that
there's
special
rules
for
northwestern
and
not
you
know
the
same
rules
for
the
rest
of
the
town,
and
so
I
think
we
we
do
need
to
figure
out
how
we
address
address
that
concern,
as
well
as
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
here
and
yeah,
and
then
also
to
the
decibel
thing.
E
I
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
hard
and
fast
something
that
is
easy,
easy
to
measure
in
concrete,
rather
than
I
think
we
need
to
move
our
laws
away
from
being
subjective
and
being
completely
as
much
as
possible.
Objective.
C
I
think
that
there's
enough
support
up
here
for
the
fact
that
we
needed
a
decibel
amount-
I
think
more
so
what's
being
suggested
now-
is
to
to
hold
off
and
consider
this
a
bit
more.
But
I
think
we're
all
there's
support
up
here
for
the
decibel,
but
the
question
I
have
isn't
does
northwestern:
do
the
special
use
permit
the
special
events
permit.
C
And
then-
and
I
only
say
that,
because
they,
it
seems
like
the
special
events.
Permit
works.
Well,
when
you
know
what
the
schedule
is
for
that
upcoming
year.
So
that
might
be
something
that
they
could
do
and
wouldn't
be
a
big
burden
for
them.
To
do.
Understanding
that
one
of
the
exceptions
that
you
just
described
is
that
this
wouldn't
apply
to
people
who
fill
out
those
special.
E
Events,
point
of
information
on
that
it's
the
zoning
that
allows
for
them
to
have
the
games
there
and
so
to
create
a
special
use.
It
wouldn't
be
a
special
use
because
it's
already
by
code.
C
And
then
is
it?
Is
there
anything
in
this
ordinance
that
that
distinguishes
between
like
outside
outdoor
events
and
me
with
a
loudspeaker
in
my
home?
We
talked
about
this
earlier.
I've
read
it
now
again
and
I
don't
see
anything
that
distinguishes
between
the
two.
So
maybe
council
ozaribo,
if
you
could
help
me
with
that.
J
So,
just
good
evening
again,
deputy
city
attorney
ozaribo,
so
reading
section
f2
in
the
proposal
or
section
two
subsection
f2.
It
looks
like
it's
not
distinguishing
between
where
the,
where
the
speaker
is
located.
It's
the
the
impact
of
the
noise,
so
that.
E
If
I
can
jump
in
to
answer
his
questions
specifically
know
that
you
know
the
noise,
the
emanation-
I
don't
know,
if
I'm
making
up
a
word
of
the
noise,
the
noise
spreading
700
feet
is
not
is
would
be
covered
by
this.
But
to
your
question
about,
would
if
I'm
got
my
record
player
at
home
going
do
I
need
a
permit?
No,
because
here
under
section
four,
it
says
any
outdoor
area.
It
does
specify
that
the
permit.
E
Areas
so
if
my
speaker
inside
my
house
is
blaring
750
feet
at
whatever
decibel
rate
that
we
set
by
this
code,
then
yes,
I
would
be
able
to
be
fined
or
whatever
held
accountable
under
this
code.
Just
wouldn't
need
a
permit
for
that.
If.
A
D
A
Our
own
measurements,
or
something
to
figure
out
what
is
the
right
decibel
limit
to
set,
we
will
think
about
unintended
consequences.
Are
there
other
events
that
we
just
haven't
thought
of
that
would
be
prohibited
or
affected
by
this
in
some
way,
and
and
just
you
know
some
time
to
think
about
all
this.
I
Yeah,
chairperson,
if
I
may
interject
having
some
a
background
in
events
like
this,
we've
had
similar
issues
with
dillo
days
and
one
of
the
things
that
significantly
reduced
the
number
of
complaints.
The
neighborhood
was
the
orientation
of
the
speakers
and
having
I
apologize,
but
I
have
been
to
several
concerts
at
the
location
we're
talking
about.
I
If
the
stage
were
to
face
east
instead
of
west,
I
think
that
might
provide
some
immediate
relief,
regardless
of
what
we
do
with
the
noise
ordinance,
and
so
I
think
that
might
if
we
inject
that
into
the
permitting
process
that
may
give
them
some
immediate
relief,
no
matter
what
we
decide
to
do
with
the
decibels
and
measurements
and
that
type
of
thing,
because
and
and
essentially
that's
what
we
did,
the
one
time
for
w
has
been
established
at
dilla
day.
The
sounds
being
projected
out
into
the
lake
rather
than
into
the
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you,
and
that's
that's
mentioned
specifically
in
the
loudspeaker,
permit
right,
so
the
the
space
concerts
would
be
handled,
though,
by
the
special
event
permit,
rather
than
the
changes
that
we're
trying
to
make
here.
E
Sorry
councilmember
one
last
question
about
this,
as
we
are
working
on
this,
and
this
will
come
back
thinking
about
councilmember
burns's
point
there.
E
E
Yeah,
we
don't
want
to
do
that,
so
I
think
with
the
permit.
We
should
also
as
we're
moving
through
this
clarify.
You
know
what
again,
what
is
that
you
know?
I
don't
know
how
loud
a
an
iphone
or
a
regular
speaker
can
get,
but
I
think
we
want
to
make
this
for
commercial
speakers
or
someone
setting
up
the
big
kind
of
things
out
in
their
backyard
or
somewhere
else
in
the
community,
and
so,
if
we
can
figure
out,
maybe
it's
the
number
of
I
play
guitar.
So
I
know
a
50
watt.
E
Amp
is
going
to
make
a
lot
more
noise
than
a
five
watt
amp.
So
maybe
it's
the
I
don't
know
how
speakers
work,
but
if
it's
the
wattage
or
what
the
measurement,
but
if
we
can
have
staff
thinking
about
that.
So
we
are
crystal
clear
in
what
we're
trying
to
govern
here.
A
A
But
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
table
this
item
to
our
next
meeting.
B
Sure
I'd
like
to
move
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
to
to
table
this
to
the
next
meeting,
and
we
have
staff
here
chief
eddington,
to
include
all
the
things
that
alderman
revell
said
in
terms
of
qualifying.
The
decibel
noise
make
sure
that
we're
harmonizing
with
other
ordinances
that
did
monitor
the
sound,
and
I
think
it's
also
would
be
important
to
make
sure
that
chief
eddington
and
his
police
staff
reviews
and
is
part
of
that
recommendation.
Given
the
fact
that
they
would
be
responsible
for
the
for
the
citations.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
need
a
roll
call
for
that.
B
F
E
A
K
K
My
belief
is:
maybe
there's
some
clarifications
or
discussions
that
are
needed
for
this
particular
item
and
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
or
provide
clarification.
The
manager
for
the
program
is
is
unavailable
today,
so
I
will
do
my
best
to
answer
the
questions.
If
there
are
any
questions
or
discussions
regarding
this
matter,.
E
E
The
council
did
in
november
of
2020
to
approve
the
community
relief
fund
for
undocumented
residents,
because
we
want
to
open
up
that,
but
but
I
do
wonder
if
understanding
what
took
place
during
the
trump
administration,
if
creating
a
separate
bucket
that
is
just
for
folks
who
are
undocumented,
then
creates
a
record
of
a
whole
bunch
of
folks
in
our
community
who
are
undocumented
and
potentially
you
know,
puts
them
in
harm.
If
the
federal
government
were
to
come
in
and
say,
show
us
your
list
of
undocumented
people
who
are
receiving
government
money.
E
So
I
would
love
for
us
to
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
just
work,
whatever
application
they
have
into
the
regular
process.
So
there
isn't
a
differentiation
between
undocumented
folks
and
document
and
documented
folks,
actually
people
who
have
documents-
you
know
so
that's
one,
particularly
since
it
seems
to
have
been
widely
used
in
in
the
years
since,
which
is
a
good
thing.
G
K
If
I
can
address
the
the
first
question
or
inquiry
that
you
had
about
undocumented
residents,
the
stands,
even
as
we've
had
conversations
with
our
legal
department
about
providing
such
services
to
undocumented
residents.
K
K
K
E
I
did
not
understand
that,
but
that's
a
good
clarification,
so
I
think
just
in
general,
it's
good
to
know
that,
because
now
we
should
be
working
on
our
general
assistance
and
emergency
assistance
program
to
just
update
them
to
make
them
a
bit
more
usable.
I
do
and
I'll
ask
you
this.
I
remember
during
my
time
as
clerk
a
lot
of
folks
filtering
into
the
office
and
then
being
filtered
down
to
general
assistance.
I
don't
know
if
we
still
have
someone
who
focuses
on
general
assistance.
I
know
previously.
K
Absolutely
currently,
we
have
indira
perkins,
who
is
a
manager
for
for
the
program,
and
we
have
three
general
assistant,
especially
as
we
now
call
them
human
services
specialists
who
meet
with
clients,
even
during
covet,
we'll
they'll
meet
in
person,
have
video
chats
with
these
individuals
providing
services.
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
staff
members
who
are
tasked
to
undertake
this
responsibility
for
our
community
members.
E
K
For
the
past
few
years,
we
we've
had
three
ga
assistants
of
human
services
and.
E
And
then,
lastly,
what
are
some
of
the
where
I
was
going
with
that
originally?
Was
that
what
I
noticed
that
there
were
a
lot
of
times
where
folks,
who
needed
the
funds
very
clearly
needed,
were
ineligible
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
it
seemed
like
a
you
know:
they
may
receive
social
security
or
something
along
those
lines.
So
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
that
still
exist
today?
That
you
think
you
know
as
that?
We
have
the
power
to
remove
to
help
more
people
I'll
I'll
leave.
It
absolutely.
B
Yeah,
I
respond
some
part
of
that
question.
I
just
wanted
to
respond
because
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
and
I'll
just
speak
for
myself,
that
I've
seen
a
lot
of
value
over
the
years
council,
member
reid
and
others.
If
you
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
do.
This
is
typically
when
we
respond
we're
not
responding
to
something.
That's
hypothetical.
B
A
lot
of
the
funds
that
are
paid
out
on
behalf
of
ga
is
not
passed
through
the
individuals
it's
actually.
Checks
are
written
directly
to
whom
the
debt
is
owed
to.
So,
if
it's
rent,
it's
not
paid
to
the
individual,
but
it's
paid
directly
to
the
landlord.
If
it's
a
utility
bill,
it's
not
paid
to
the
individuals,
but
it's
paid
to
the
utility.
So
I
think,
as
you
have
these
questions
or
issues
that
come
up
and
they
do
an
amazing
job
making
themselves
available
for
you
and
any
other
one
else.
E
Thank
you
for
that.
Apologies
for
interrupting
yeah.
Well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
will
say
that
as
far
as
it
director
oko,
if
someone
is
undocumented,
even
though
we
pay
it
out
to
their
landlord
or
the
utility
they
come
in
and
they
fill
out
a
document
that
has
their
name
their
address
on
it
right
and
that
then
becomes
a
city
record
which
can
then
be
the
federal
government
can
request.
So
it
doesn't
so
my
my
point.
There
stands
and-
and
yes
I
have
seen
it
but.
K
K
We
do
not
release
information
pertaining
to
individuals
because
of
the
sensitivity
of
the
of
the
matter,
so
something
that
we
take
pride
of
and
is
something
that
we've
embarked
on
and
we've
received
the
number
four
requests
so
to
speak
regarding
very
sensitive
matters.
But
it
is
not
information
that
is
pretty
privy
to
the
public,
just
by
certainly.
E
Yeah
and
I'm
fully
aware
of
the
foia
laws
and
that,
but
if
the
federal
government
comes
in
with
a
subpoena
because
someone
is
violating
what
I
think
is
an
unjust
law
about
being
undocumented
country,
they
would
have
every
right
to
subpoena
those
documents
that
have
that
are
very
clearly
delineated
only
for
undocumented
people.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that,
but
to
the
question
about.
E
K
K
People
are
ineligible
for
the
program
if
they
are
part
of
a
program
where
they
receive
cash
assistance,
social
security,
so
to
speak,
disability,
but
we
have
historically
provided
resources
and
assistance
to
individuals
who
there
who
get
social
security
or
disability
benefits
or
pending.
We
take
all
of
those
into
concentration
and
provide
help
in
those
types
of
situations.
K
K
If
they
are
part
of
a
cash
assistance
program
where
they
are
receiving
cash
assistance
from
a
state
or
federal
type
of
program,
but
historically
we
have
been
able
to
provide
assistance
to
individuals
who
social
security
disability
is
pending,
because
we
understand
that
it
has
not
gone
through,
and
this
this
individual
needs
some
type
of
assistance
from
us.
So
we've
actually
been
very
flexible
in
providing
those
types
of
assistance
to
those
individuals.
E
Thank
you
and
the
rule.
As
far
I
know,
general
assistance,
I
believe,
was
created
under
state
law
through
the
township
act.
Does.
E
Is
it
our
own
rule
that
requires
that
excludes
folks
who
have
who
receive
federal
benefits
such
as
social
security,
whatever
it
is,
or
is
it
the
state
law
that
exclusive.
K
Folks,
this
is
general
guideline
and
we
we
follow
those
guidelines
and,
as
you
you
mentioned,
that
the
township
which
was
dissolved,
I
believe,
close
to
a
decade,
now
followed
some
of
those
tenants,
but
in
general
there
is
a
guideline
that
we
follow.
That
is
just
not
in
part
or
largely
part,
to
evanston.
E
Just
want
to
be
clear
guideline
statute,
two
different
things,
so
is
this
and
if
you
don't
have
the
answer
right
now,
we
can
come
back,
but
is
this
a
a
guideline,
as
you
say,
or
is
it
a
law,
a
statute
that
says
that
we
cannot
accept
folks
or
give
general
assistance
to
folks
who.
K
So,
as
you
know,
it
is
a
mandate
for
us
to
have
a
ga
a
program
through
through
the
state.
The
guideline
mate
is
something
that
I'll
have
to
to
review
and
get
back
back
to
you,
okay,
but
we
have
followed
follow
this
this
guideline.
Other
municipalities,
as
I
mentioned,
has
followed
this
guideline,
and
it's
not
a
guideline
that
we
have
produced
on
our
own.
This
guideline
is
something
that
has
been
created
for
years,
that
other
ga
programs
follow
yeah.
E
And
I'll
just
say
in
closing
that
if
that
guideline
is
not
a
hard
and
fast
rule,
I'd
just
love
for
us
to
look
at
relaxing
some
of
those
guidelines,
because
we
know
that
social
security,
you
know
for
a
senior
citizen
in
many
cases,
is
nowhere
near
what
they
need
to
survive
and
if
they
have
even
the
tiniest
emergency,
their
finances
are
completely
thrown
out
of
whack.
E
So
just
to
say
that
you
know
if
we
can
still
help
those
seniors
or
other
folks
who
you
know,
obviously
that
none
of
the
cash
benefits
are
sufficient
if
we
can
offer
again.
This
is
a
small.
I
think
folks
are
only
able
to
get
up
to
2
000
a
year
and
rental
assistance
and
utility
assistance
15..
So
it's
not
a
ton
of
money.
It's
not
a
permanent
kind
of
cash.
It's
a
kind
of
one-off
thing.
K
So
the
emergency
assistance
we
increased
during
covert
just
because
the
standard
of
living
in
investing
increases
as
well.
I
used
to
be
1500
a
year.
Now
we
increase
it
to
2000.
K
as
it
pertains
to
those
who
are
ga
clients
who
receive
monthly,
stipends
or
mostly
benefits
from
from
the
city.
The
rental
assistance
is
six
hundred
dollars
and
that's
per
per
month,
not
neces
not
per
year,
so
those
people
receive
as
long
as
they're
on
the
program
and
qualify.
They
receive
their
monthly
benefits,
monthly
stipends
on
a
monthly
basis.
Oh.
K
K
The
california
is
if
they
no
longer
qualify
and
it's
something
that
we
determine
to
see
if
the
person
has
now
is
now
gainfully
employed
where
they
can
transition
off
of
the
program.
So
there's
something
that
we
we
monitor
on
a
consistent
basis.
K
We
start
to
have
conversations
okay,
we
start
to
have
conversations
with
those
individuals
who
have
been
on
the
program
for
a
lengthy
amount
amount
of
time,
but
we
have
not
kicked
off
anyone
who's
on
the
program
just
based
on
the
the
length
of
the
program.
We
engage
with
those
those
residents
and
figure
out
a
way
in
which
we
can
support
them,
whether
it
is
finding
helping
them
find
a
job
or
some
type
of
programs
that
that
individual
can
be
engaged
with.
Thank.
E
You
last
question:
I
do
see
here
in
the
memo
there's
a
lot
of
numbers
in
total
spend,
but
I'm
not
seeing
and
maybe
I'm
somehow
missing
it,
but
I'm
not
seeing
the
individual
individual
clients
that
we've
been
able
to
help.
So
is
that
am
I
missing
that
number
in
here
or
do
you
have
that
number
roughly
yeah.
K
We
do
we
do
have
that
number.
What
is
presented
in
the
memo
is
a
cumulative
amount
of
money
that
has
been
spent
in
each
program.
If
you
take
a
look
at
ga,
I
believe
in
the
tune
of
500
plus
thousand
dollars
that
was
spent
in
2021.
K
K
E
Yeah
just
be
curious
to
see
how
the
number
of
general
assistants,
emergency
assistance,
client
says,
ebbed
and
flowed
particularly
2020,
2021
and
then
a
few
years
before,
and
then,
if
we
can,
you
know
keep
track
of
that
in
the
years
after
to
just
you.
H
K
And
one
of
the
things
that
we
we've
done
cancer,
because
a
member
read
is
provide
an
update
on
a
yearly
basis.
So
if
that's
what
our
council
members
that
committee
wants
us
to
do,
we
can
move
forward
in
that
process
or,
if
it's
information
that
you
want
me
to
provide
in
a
memo
format,
I
can
also
do
that.
C
I
I'm
someone
that
always
errs
on
the
side
of
more
information.
I
love
data
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
really
understand
how
we're
helping
and
where
the
need
is
so
definitely
as
much
data
as
you
can
provide
in
these
updates
to
better
whether
you
want
to
do
that.
You
know
with
within
these
regular
updates
or
on
an
annual
basis
once
or
twice
you
know,
I'll
leave
it
up
to
to
staff
to
decide
what
what
what
what
works
best
for
you.
Okay,.
A
And
I
just
had
one
comment:
I
was
surprised
in
reading
this
to
see
that
it's
been
almost
10
years
since
we
increased
those
the
utility
assistance
and
the
rental
assistance.
Do
we,
I
guess
I'm
surprised
that
we
don't
try
to
do
that
more
consistently.
Is
there.
K
A
reason
it
is
something
that
we
we've
realized,
as
you
mentioned,
hasn't
been
conducted
in
in
about
a
decade
and
especially
with
with
with
covid
and
the
exacerbation
of
the
needs
that
we
took
a
look
into
it
and
reviewed
it
and
decided
to,
of
course,
increase
the
benefit
and
that's
for
emergency
assistant,
as
it
pertains
to
ga
assistance.
K
The
last
market
analysis
that
we
conducted
was
in
2016..
So
it's
approaching.
D
K
A
year
where
we
actually
had
to
increase
the
rental
assistance,
so
it's
something
that
we
can
definitely
improve
on
by
conducting
these
reviews,
maybe
on
on
a
two-year
basis
or
three-year
basis.
Just
to
see
where
we
are.
A
Right,
I
think
that'd
be
worthwhile
great
okay
thank
councilmember
braithwaite.
Did
you
have
any.
B
No,
I
just
I
I
wanted
to
underscore
what
you
said
and
maybe
like
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
just
to
I
think
to
get
that
number
out
there
before
it
comes
lost
in
the
whole
budget.
Just
based
on
where
your
year-to-date
spend
is
to
make
those
recommendations.
I
I'd
welcome
that.
I
think
that's
what
we're
all
asking
for
how
to
best
deliver
those
services
to
our
residents.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
it
up
as
well.
I
don't
think
your
staff
gets.
B
A
K
C
Because
it
seems
like
that's
tied
to
the
the
ged
classes
that
we
offer.
B
Just
quickly
move
it
move.
E
E
D
D
G
D
L
Welcome,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
here
to
review
the
two
complaints
with
you:
okay,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
di2103
and
I'll
go
through
the
original
complaint
and
some
of
the
summary
of
the
facts
and
the
and
the
disposition
where
we
are
now
so
di2103.
L
L
L
It
was
noted
that
the
squad
car
partially
blocked
the
sidewalk
in
the
attempt
to
get
out
of
the
traffic
lane
the
complainant
approached
the
squad
car
yelling,
abusive
language
at
the
accused
officer,
the
complaint
threatened
to
report
the
accused
officer
in
an
attempt
to
not
engage
with
the
irate
citizen.
The
officer
simply
pointed
his
name
tag
and
advised
the
complainant.
L
L
So
this
was
reviewed.
It
was
sent
to
the
citizen
police
review
commission.
They
reviewed
the
investigation.
It
was
deemed
to
be
deemed
to
be
complete
and
voted
to
be
moved
forward
to
this
committee
and
the
last
recommendation
with
regards
to
discipline
was
rules.
1
2
51
were
unfounded.
Sustained
was
the
failure
to
activate
the
body,
worn
camera
and
give
us
a
chef
level
reprimand
and
review
the
butt
and
which
would
have
included
review
of
the
bodywork
camera
policy,
so
that
is
that
complaint
at
that
point.
Is
there
any
questions.
A
Yeah
councilmember
reed.
E
So
an
officer
is
required
to
in
any
citizen
interaction,
whether
it's
you
know,
if
they're
out
just
walking
around
a
citizen
walks
up
to
them
and
engages
in
conversation
with
them
the
officers
to
turn
their
body
camera
on
at
that
time.
L
It
would
depend
on
the
context
if
it
became
something
more
than
a
caretaking
or
community
engagement
function.
They
would
have
to
turn
it
on.
I
believe,
with
this
incident
it
was
the
officers
should
have
had
it
on
because
they
were
taking
some
type
of
some
level
of
enforcement
action,
even
though
it
was
parking
enforcement
if
they
would
have
had
it
on
that.
That
would
have
captured
the
interaction
with
that
citizen.
E
L
Were
they
should
the
it
was
determined?
They
should
have
activated
their
bodywork
camera
because
they
were
doing
they
were
handling
an
assigned
call
that
did
have
some
type
of
investigation
and
enforcement
level
with
it.
Even
though
it
was
just
a
parking
and
parking
complaint
that
the
bodywork
camera
should
have
been
activated.
B
I
guess
this
is
more
a
comment
you
know
course
so
in
the
in
the
past,
when
we've
received
these
typically,
if,
if
it's
something
that
happens
either
in
your
ward
or
you
know
who
the
resident
is,
there's
a
expectation
of
follow-up,
whether
from
behalf
of
the
council,
members
or
the
epson
police
department.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
quick
question
commander
glue
and
that
is:
are
we
still
following
the
procedures
of
whomever
made
this
complaint,
that
they
are
informed
that
it
will
be
discussed
at
this
meeting.
L
This
person
was
not
because
one
it
was
a
di
and
two
they
were
not
cooperative,
so
they
sent
it
off
and
we
tried
to
get
in
touch
with
them
and
they
were
not
cooperative
okay.
So,
whereas
a
we
would
want,
even
with
a
di
somebody
to
know
something
was
was
going
on
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
We
try
to
still
stay
in
contact
with
people
who
may
not
rise
the
level
of
where
would
the
cr.
B
Fair
enough,
so
I
guess
just
as
long
as
that
practice
is
being
adhered
to
upheld.
I
think
that's
that's
the
point
of
the
question
and
then
the
second
thing
and
I'll
wait
until
after
you,
you
know
get
through
the
other
one.
I
think
from
time
to
time-
and
this
is
all
anecdotal
like
I
don't
have
anything
that
I
can
string
together,
but
just
every
once
in
a
while
we'll
get
one
of
these
and
sometimes
I'll
just
speak
for
myself.
Sometimes
I'm
reading
it.
B
You
know
when
they're
just
a
handful
like
a
couple
I
can
read
through
it
and
then
other
times
I'm
doing
a
quick
read
and
I
think
tonight's,
a
good
example.
If
we're
going
to
go
into
an
executive
session.
Just
as
a
reminder
to
you
know
new
committee
members,
since
we've
been
remote
for
so
long
that
when
there's
something
that
that
has
the
potential
of
bubbling
up,
I
mean
it's
hard
to
predict.
B
B
So
just
as
a
reminder
to
you
know,
members
of
the
committee
from
time
to
time-
and
I
think
this
is
wonderful-
great
practice
of
our
police
department-
that
if
you
see
something,
hear
something-
and
there
is
camera
footage-
you
do
have
the
opportunity
to
go
in
and
sit
with
commander
glue
or
any
or
or
chief
eddington
and
and
watch
that
video
and
understand
from
a
law
enforcement
expect.
B
Exactly
what's
happening
at
the
scene,
and
so
I've
always
seen
a
lot
of
value
in
in
those
videos,
and
I
hope
that
you
know
moving
forward
particularly
is
where
you
know
new
council
getting
up
to
speed
that
when
those
issues
come
up
that
you
just
let
us
know
just
as
you're
doing
now
and
go
into
executive
session,
particularly
again
for
those
that
come
up
later
on
with
a
big
sticker
that
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
Where
did
this
come
from?
And
why
didn't
we
hear
about
it
and
sometimes
like
I,
don't
have
a
percentage.
D
L
The
heads
up
as
far
as
this
may
need
that
extra
yeah
that
may
need
that
extra
meeting
would
always
be
appreciated
by
this
committee.
Yes,
yes,
yes
thank
you
and
to
go
back
to
the
question
about
following
up
with
our
complainants.
L
You
know
with
the
cr
we
will
follow
up
with
a
registered
letter
right,
it's
that
registered
mail,
but
we
will
typically
try
to
engage
people
and
follow
up
every
way
we
can
email
phone
calls
and
the
letter
so
yeah.
We
want
to
leave
no
stone
unturned,
keeping
people
apprised
of
what's
going
on
yeah.
Thank
you,
okay.
Okay,
all
right,
I
will
move
on
to
cr21-02.
L
The
complaint,
also
alleged
accused
officer,
did
not
advise
her
son
that
he
was
being
audio
and
video
recorded
by
a
body-worn
camera
and
she
was
not
notified
of
the
alleged
encounter.
The
complainant
requests
an
investigation
in
the
matter.
The
complaint
was
classified
as
a
complaint
register,
so
we
have
the
rule
violations,
rules,
1,
2,
18
and
20.
L
A
juvenile
came
home
from
school
on
the
bus
he
was
told
his
mother
was
approached
and
interrogated
by
a
police
officer
without
a
guardian,
present
accused
officer
was
in
the
area
due
to
a
double
homicide
that
happened
prior
and
these
officers
were
requested
to
be
in
the
area.
The
accused
officer
stated
that
he
did
not
speak
to
anyone
did
not
exit
his
vehicle
on
patrol
and
nobody
want
camera
footages
available,
so
they're
not
on
the
bullet
point
here.
So
basically
the
investigation
revealed
that
one
officer
was
in
the
area.
At
the
time.
L
L
E
If
there
was
someone
out
there,
who's
impersonating,
an
officer,
you
know
stopping
the
gate.
L
So
our
investigation
did
not
reveal
who,
who
this
officer
was,
or
whoever
had
contact
with
the
the
juvenile
son.
I
would
not
say
would
not
characterize
it
that
this
investigation
revealed
that
this
story
was
fabricated.
I
could
speak
that
this
investigation
did
not
reveal
an
officer
who
had
contact
with
the
juvenile
son.
L
There
was
a
lot
of
police
presence
in
the
area.
There
is
a
small
possibility
that
it
may
have
been
somebody
from
another
agency
that
was
in
there,
because
this
was
originally
a
task
force
case,
so
it
may
have
been
somebody
in
the
area
doing
a
follow-up.
Our
investigation
did
not
necessarily
reveal
that
either,
but
that
it
was
always
a
possibility,
so
they
can
speak
to
is
based
on
the
information
that
we
had.
L
We
exhausted
all
our
leads.
We
could
not
find
that
officer
or
locate
this
contact.
Also,
there
is,
if
this
occurred,
you
know
which
it
very
well
possibly
did.
There
is
a
caretaker
role
when
officers
are
out
and
about
to
be
hey.
Are
you
okay,
hey?
You
know
if
there's
a
juvenile
or
you're
talking
about
an
area,
there
is
a
violent
crime
not
to
have.
You
know,
are
you
going?
Is
this
your
house?
Okay?
So
there
is
a
context
where
this
conversation
could
have
took
place,
that
it's
not
a
a
rule
violation.
L
B
So
the
joking
comment
that
I
don't
want
to
take
a
lot
of
time
is
we.
We
had
something
similar
to
this
several
years
ago,
when
the
kid
was
pulled
over
on
a
bike
right
in
front
of
his
house,
and
there
was
an
exchange
between
the
officer
and
the
individual
and
then
the
mother
got
involved,
and
then
it
sort
of
escalated
and
then
later
on
it
escalated
into
something
else.
B
So
when
I
read
that
that's
exactly
what
I
was
referencing
like
something
like
this
starts
off,
really
really
small
and
then
the
parent
has
tenacity
and
savvy
and
and
pushed
it,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
you
know
we're
able
to
make
some
changes
in
in
how
we
interact
with
our
youth
and
it
just.
It
was
a
a
real
scary
flashback.
So
that's
all
I
mean
you
know,
so
we
read
something
like
this
and
it's
understandable
and
then
later
on,
someone
comes
back
with
tenacity
and.
L
Yeah
yeah,
so
we
we
always
keep
an
eye
to
these
complaints
with
your
concern
of
mine.
Thank
you.
Anybody
else
have
any
questions.
D
D
A
Opposed
no
thank
you.
Okay,
now
we
have
a
member
of
the
public
who's
been
very
patient.
Jan
karlovic.
M
So
I
heard
the
earlier
public
comments
about
lots
of
police
calls
and,
and
so
supposedly
there's
been
lots
of
calls
for
service
and
and
we
spend
lots
of
money
on
police,
and
so
there
was
the
mention
of
a
different
kind
of
service
that
that
I
appreciated.
I.
M
I
I
I
guess
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
I
it's
just
not
clear
how
it's
being
spent
that
it's
that
it's
useful,
it's
so
much
money
and
and
it's
also
harmful.
So
I
really
look
forward
to
this
being
different.
It's
not
going
to
be
different
tomorrow,
but
I
guess
in
the
meantime
I
I
would.
E
I
Evening,
chairperson
and
members
of
the
committee,
you
were
provided
with
several
reports
and
I
would
like
to
go
through
them
rapidly
and
highlight
some
particular
issues
that
I
think
are
of
import
tonight
when
we
consider
all
this.
I
I
It
was
first
presented
to
you
back
in
december,
we've
updated
some
of
the
numbers
currently
were
23
sworn
officers
down
and
nine
civilians,
and
as
we
go
through
this,
the
report
where
we
get
to
the
crime
section-
and
I
want
to
be
clear
that
when
we
migrated
from
iucr
to
neighbors
that
that
that
has
an
impact
on
the
numbers,
if
there's
multiple
counts
for
each
event,
so
that
there's
going
to
be
bigger
numbers.
I
I
I
think,
if
you
look
at
the
robberies
in
2021,
in
the
aggravated
assaults
and
batteries
in
2020
were
the
drivers
of
those
two
years,
which
should
be
of
significant
concern
to
us
calls
for
service
and
officer
activity.
I
And
I
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
need
would
like
to
point
out
is
in
the
context
of
who
we
are
in
the
city
of
evanston,
with
the
institutions
that
call
evanston
home
like
albany
care
like
greenwood
care
like
the
rice
center.
These
are
called
generators
when
we
bring
in
those
special
needs
populations.
E
Yeah,
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
under
our
current
system,
you
know
having
those
facilities
in
this
in
the
city.
May
it
may
be
unevol
unavoidable
under
our
current
system,
that
police
are
going
to
get
involved,
but
certainly
to
think
that
the
only
response
that
we
can
have
for
folks-
and
I
know
this-
isn't
what
you're
saying
but
just
to
level
said
here.
E
The
only
response
that
we
have
for
folks
who
are
mentally
ill
or
suffering
from
other
disabilities
is
not
the
police,
and
hopefully
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
discussions
both
locally
and
nationally
are
going
as
to
how
can
we
better
serve
those
folks
without
having
to
burden
the
police
department?
You
know
for
folks
who
are
having
you
know,
whatever
issues
that
they're
having
in
the
moment,
so
I
do
wanna
go
on
to
I'm
seeing
here.
You
know
we
get
the
calls
for
service.
E
So,
oh
okay,
I
do
see
a
bit
here
of
what
I
was
looking
for.
That
gives
the
going
back.
I
guess
so
thank
you
from
1991
to
now
and
it
gives
the
number
of
sworn
officers
and
a
crime
index.
Can
you
break
down
for
me
and
the
public
what
the
crime
index
number
represents.
I
Certainly,
if
I
meet
council
member.
I
We're
not
there
yet,
but
I
do
I
do
want
to
address
the
the
the
first
part
of
your
comments.
If
I
make
sure.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
the
the
evanston
police
department
is
in
complete
support
of
alternate
ways
to
address
people
in
mental
health
crises.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
I'm
completely
enthusiastic
about
is
the
living
room
concept,
because
if
you
you've
had
a
loved
one,
a
family
member
involved
in
one
of
these
events,
the
last
place
you
want
them
to
go
is
to
some
place.
I
That's
brightly,
lit,
noisy
and
chaotic
that
that's
that's
not
going
to
help
it's
just
not
going
to
help,
and
so
that
soft
approach,
I
think,
is
exceptional
and
I'm
looking
forward
for
that
to
be
implemented.
But
one
of
the
things
I
would
want
to
point
out
is
in
the
the
institutions
that
I've
mentioned
are
already
here
in
town
already
provide
mental
health
services.
At
some
level
the
police
department
gets
involved.
When
something
else
happens,
it's
like
it
just
in
the
last
over
the
weekend,
and
today
there
were
six
missing
persons
reports
from
albany
care.
I
I
mean
once
again:
it's
not
we're
past
mental
health
they're
gone,
so
you
call
the
cops
or
see
if
you
can
find
this
person,
and
so
it's
that
type
of
we
don't
interject
in
the
mental
health.
There
are
people
that
are
much
better
able
to
address
that
than
us,
but
we
do
get
involved
when
something
additional
happens.
I
Thank
you.
I
I
I
want
it
before
we
got
to
your
question,
sir.
I
I
wanted
to
just
touch
on
the
training
aspects
of
the
officers
that
we've
attributed
to
other
departments,
and
I
think
this
is
significant
for
the
the
members
to
to
at
least
be
exposed
to
in
the
22
officers.
I
We've
lost
at
the
preparation
of
this
report
that
represents
16
584
hours
out
the
door
of
training
and
experience
when
you
add
up
that
these
individuals,
when
you
look
at
their
years
of
experience
and
add
them
up,
it's
137
years
of
law
enforcement
experience
that
that's
a
lot
of
to
use
a
sports
analogy,
a
lot
of
turns
at
bat.
You
know
what
you're
doing
you
you've
got.
I
Now,
council,
member
to
the
point
of
of
your
question,
and
could
you
please
restate
that
again?
So
I
answer
specifically
what
you
need
to
know
want
to
know.
Yeah.
E
I'll,
let
you
go
ahead,
but
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
for
myself
and
for
the
community
to
help
folks
understand
how
the
crime
index
is
calculated.
I
know
it's,
you
know
it's
a
national
standard
and
it,
I
think,
takes
into
account
eight
criteria.
Eight
classifications
crime.
So
if
you
want
to
explain
how
that's
certainly.
I
What
it
does
is
it
measures
part
one
and
part
two
crimes
in
the
the
iucr
system,
neighbors,
which
we've
migrated
to
considers
more
included
offenses,
so
the
numbers
go
up.
So
if
there,
if
there
was
a
homicide,
but
there
was
a
weapon
used,
we
would
include
the
aggravated
battery,
and
so
this
one
event
may
get
several
check
marks
for
crime,
and
so
we
did
overall
crime
made
of
knight,
but
but
the
numbers
larger,
and
so
I
think
that's
the
system,
that's
being
nationalized.
I
We
in
those
2014
was
the
highest
manpower.
2016
was
the
lowest
crime
rate
and
in
2019,
2020
and
2021.
I
want
to
point
to
a
specific
variant:
that's
not
exactly
reflected
in
the
chart.
What
the
evanston
police
department
has
done
for
a
number
of
years
is
is
deployed
a
summer
plan.
We
we
shifted
units
to
the
primarily
the
afternoon
hours,
we
hired
back
additional
personnel
during
those
afternoon
hours,
and
we
ran
that
from
memorial
day
to
labor
day
in
in
the
last
three
years,
where
we've
seen
the
significant
uptick
in
crime.
I
That
program
for
budgetary
reasons
has
been
significantly
reduced
and
if
I
can
highlight
this
in
hours
in
in
20,
I'm
sorry
in
2017,
there
were
735
hours
spent
on
beat
89
that
the
approximate
cost
of
45
000
in
2021
there
were
252
hours
expended
for
a
cost
of
9
000
and
so
you're
not
gonna,
get
the
crime
suppression
robust
program.
I
If
you
spend
45
and
then
you
spend
nine
and
think
you're
going
to
get
the
same
result,
that's
just
not
going
to
happen,
and-
and
so
I
want
to
point
out
that
those
budget
restrictions
over
time
have
had
a
significant
impact.
Additionally,
when
we
reduced
staff
in
2020
based
on
covid
concerns,
that
was
a
significant
downgrade
of
14
personnel,
and
now
we
start
counting
again
that
those
fourteen
personnel
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
numbers
I
gave
you
tonight.
I
My
starting
point
is
different
than
that,
but
in
that
historical
perspective,
we've
stair-stepped
down
in
in
our
staffing,
and
so
as
we
look
at
those
numbers
over
time,
council
member,
I
I
think
you
can
see,
as
as
the
available
manpower
has
been
reduced,
to
apply
to
our
concept
of
hot
spot
policing
our
concept
of
deployment.
There
has
been
a
reaction
in
in
the
uptick
of
crime.
E
I
might
be
looking
at
a
different
chart
than
you're
discussing
right
now,
but
right
now,
I'm
looking
at
page
65
of
the
package,
so
the
first
year
listed
1991
has
a
crime
index
of
6
303..
My
understanding
is
that
in
this
case,
the
crime
index
going
down
is
a
good
thing.
Yes,
okay
and
it
seems,
like
we've,
been
on
a
fairly
other
than
2021,
and
you
know
maybe
some
other
outlet
liars,
but
a
fairly
steady
march
down.
E
You
know
going
from
6
000.
You
know
a
crime
index
of
6303
in
1991
to
half
that
and
in
2021
and
then
most
years
before.
That
being
you
know,
even
you
know
a
third
of
that.
It's
and
I
see
what
I
do
see
is
spikes
seemingly
around,
particularly
once
you
get
into
the
later
2000s
and
out
of
the
90s.
It
seems
like
there's
a
spike,
particularly
in
homicides
as
we
you
know
in
2010
direct.
E
You
know
not
too
long
after
the
mortgage
crisis
and
I
think
that's
about
the
time
that
it
hit
folks
here
hardest.
So
I'm
I'm
and
homicides
have
been,
you
know
fairly
low.
You
know
every
so
often
like
this
year
we
had
six
and
2010.
We
had
six
but
fairly
steady,
so
crime
has
been
steadily
going
down.
Homicides
have
kind
of
fluctuated
that
happens,
but
the
number
of
sworn
officers
has
more
or
less
stayed
the
same
since
the
90s
more
or
less
we've
we've.
You
know
from
1991
to
now.
E
We
have
a
reduction
of
three
officers,
but
a
reduction
in
crime
that
far
outpaces
that
an
overall
reduction
that
that
is
more
substantial
than
that.
So
it
seems
as
though
there
isn't
a
correlation
between
the
number
of
sworn
officers
that
we
have
and
crime.
It
seems
that
they're
just
following
this
and
I
think,
having
even
further
I
mean
this
is
really
good.
Two
decades
of
data
is,
or
I'm
sorry
three
decades.
E
I
mean
if
we
need
to
go
back
further.
We
can
go
back
further,
but
it
seems
pretty
substantial
that
number
of
police
officers
the
same
crime
has
gone
way
down,
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
strong
correlation
between
the
two
and
maybe
we
should
start
looking
outside
of
the
police
department
to
what
led
to
this
reduction
in
crime.
What
led
to
the
spike
in
2021.
I
If,
if
I
may,
sir,
I
I
think,
there's
some
things
that
we
can
look
inside
the
police
department,
for,
I
think
we're
much
more
sophisticated
in
the
application
of
our
manpower
resources
now
than
then.
If
you
look
at
where
that
crime
really
began
to
spike,
I'm
sorry
dip
in
I'm
most
familiar
with
2007
on
as
we
refined
our
deployment
system
and
attempted
to
get
the
officers
to
where
we
projected
crimes
were
going
to
be.
That
has
had
a
substantial
impact.
I
So
I
would,
I
would
suggest
to
you
one
explanation
is
we
are
much
more
sophisticated
at
the
deployment
of
those
very
expensive
personnel
resources
to
address
crime
in
a
sense
before
it
happens,
because
once
again,
I
would
much
prefer
that
I
prevent
the
crime
that
way.
You're,
not
victimized,
that
that's
a
much
better
outcome
than
well.
I
made
the
arrest
to
the
person
who
hurt
you
you're
still
hurt.
So
what
our
real
goal
is
is
to
deploy
the
police
resources
in
a
manner
so
as
to
prevent
victimization.
E
So
what
you're
saying
is
that
when
you
look
at
this
data,
what
you
see
is
that
our
department
has
gotten
more
efficient
with
less
it's
like
the
the
mitt
romney
barack
obama
debate
moment,
where,
of
course
we
don't
have.
We
have
left
bayonets,
and
you
know
other
stuff
is
that
is
that
what
you're
saying.
I
Two
degrees
degree,
sir.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
there
you
have
substantially
less
people
in
20
and
21
than
you
had
prior
and
and
we're
really
getting
hammered
right
now
with
the
attrition
of
trained
personnel
to
other
jurisdictions,
and
so
in
that
context
I
think
we're
going
to
see
a
continuing
uptick
in
crime,
because
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
apply
to
the
hot
spots
like
we
did
before,
as
as
we
have
the
in
in
in
the
context
of
what's
going
on
inside
the
police
department.
I
Many
of
the
officers
that
we've
lost
in
in
this
last
24-month
period
have
come
from
our
specialized
units
detectives
special
operations,
the
tactical
unit.
We
have
not
backfilled
those
positions
because
we
don't
have
enough
police
officers
patrol
officers
to
cover
the
shifts,
and
so
those
specialties
are
not
being
restaffed
and
retrained,
and
so
I'm
saying
there's
a
a
lot
going
on
inside
the
department.
That's
not
clear
from
from
the
numbers
we're
looking
here
and
I
think
those
things
have
impact
on
these
numbers
that
we
haven't
completely
seen
yet.
E
We
had
that
budgeted,
but
that's
not
how
many
were
on
the
street,
so
that
might
be
helpful
and
and
given
I'd
also
be
interested
in
seeing
our
the
budget
for
for
these
years
and
what
the
the
cost
for
the
department
was,
and
you
know,
as
we
know,
we're
increasing
more
technology.
We
just
bought
drones
and
body
camera
and
all
the
all
these
things
that
I
would
think
would
lead
to
efficiencies
that
could
reduce.
E
You
know,
see
a
reduction
in
crime
and
then
also
the
definition
of
crime.
I
mean
it
is
against
the
law.
If
I
worked
at
target
or
some
business
for
my
homeowner,
if
for
my
employer,
to
steal
wages
or
to
not
pay
me
what
my
wages,
but
we
don't
send
police
officers
out
to
investigate
wage
theft,
do
we
have
a
bureau,
but
we
do
have
a
bureau
that
investigates
drug
dealers.
We
don't
really
investigate.
E
You
know
certain
types
of
crime
that
are
just
as
destructive
as
you
know,
drugs
and
other
things,
and
we
don't
have
so
we
don't
really
measure
full
the
full
weight
of
crime
that
has
taken
place
in
our
city
unless
we're
going
to
have
a
a
white
collar
crime
division
in
the
police
department
that
focuses
on
other
kind
of
crime
crime
as
well.
But
thank
you
for
this.
I
If
I
may
back
to
your
point
on
the
number
of
officers
who
are
actually
here,
that
will
be
a
substantial
research
project
in
that
just
like,
as
we
chatting
tonight.
The
number
since
I
saw
you
last
month
has
changed
it's
going
to
change
again
before
I
see
you
next
month
and
so
to
hit
that
moving
target
over
multiple
years
would
be
extremely
difficult
per.
A
So,
let's,
let's
let
council
member
braithwaites
chime
in
here.
B
B
B
We
have
the
highest
calls
for
per
resident
and
so
in
each
of
the
situations
that
I
just
mentioned.
Arlington
heights
aurora
for
their
population,
they're
all
showing
a
lower
percentage
of
calls
for
service
versus
evans,
and
so
we
have
74
population
74
000,
but
we
have
84
calls
for
service
which,
when
we're
down
20-
and
I
can't
remember
so
I
I
know
that
the
numbers
stagger
between
sworn
officers.
But
the
fact
is
we're
still
down
a
number
of
officers
and
our
calls
are
more
than
any
other
neighboring
suburb.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
what
analogy
you
were
walking
down
for
me.
You
know
that's
a
concern
and
I
know
we're
going
to
go
into
executive
session
and
talk
about
that,
but
I
just
I
know
sometimes
we
get
really
lost
in
the
conversation
of
you
know
the
number
of
officers
and
also
the
budget.
I
think
for
me
the
most
important
subject
is:
how
do
we
keep
people
safe
in
our
town
and
I
don't
ever
want
us
to
lose
sight
of
that
and
I'll
say
it
again.
B
There
are
some
conversations
about
the
numbers
of
our
police
force.
There's
some
conversations
about
our
budget,
but
when
I
look
at
the
number
of
calls
based
on
our
number
of
population
and
that's
higher
than
any
other
suburb
neighboring,
our
number
one
job
is
to
keep
our
public
safe
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
that.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
conversation
that
we're
going
to
have
in
executive
session,
so
we
don't
lose
sight
of
that
fact,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
a
comprehensive
report.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
Sure,
if
I
can
just
chime
in
I,
I
do
want
to
note
that
these
aren't
our
neighboring
communities.
I've
never
crossed
the
border
from
evanston
to
arlington
heights.
Aurora
elgin,
naperville
skokie,
yes,
and
I
will
also
say
that
from
my
understanding-
and
I
haven't
done
this
research
in
a
few
years
at
this
point,
but
our
police
department
is
also
larger
than
all
of
these
police
departments
as
well.
I
I
think
per
capita
per
capita.
Our
police
department
is
larger
than
arlington
heights,
aurora
elgin
naperville.
E
I
We
probably
would
if
we
were
fully
staffed,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that's
included
in
those
numbers
is,
it
depends
on
how
you
measure
are
you
to
measure?
I
Are
you
measuring
the
entire
complement
of
the
police
department
includes
including
civilians
and,
and
so
that
can
shape
that
either
way,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
something
we
could
investigate,
but
we
do
have
a
high
number
of
police
officers
when
we're
fully
staffed,
but
a
lot
of
that
is
driven
by
the
call
load
is
substantial
here
and
once
again,
if
you
have
that
level
of
call
load
with
this
low
number
of
officers,
you're
basically
subtracting
the
time
available
for
proactive
policing
to
get
to
the
hot
spots,
to
sit
there
to
to
make
sure
nothing's
going
on
because
you're
that
there's
only
so
much
time
in
an
officer's
day
and
and
that,
if
we're,
if
we're
down
on
calls
we're,
not
we're
not
proactively
attempting
to
disrupt
the
crime
pattern.
I
E
Thank
you
and
then.
Lastly,
how
is
it
so?
To
that
point,
I
will
say
I'd
love
to
see
the
data.
If
that's
a
conclusion
that
you
made
you
know
if
our
crime
index
is
down,
I
want
to
see
what
the
calls
for
service
were
for
that
year
and
the
number
of
officers
to
see
if
there
really
is
a
correlation
between
the
number
of
calls
for
service
and
that
tying
up
time
to
do
preventative
work
and
if
that
actually
has
an
effect
on
crime
that
we
can
measure
with
the
crime
index.
E
But
to
this
point,
how
is
a
call
for
service
calculated?
What
what
do
we
count
as
a
call?
E
Obviously,
it's
a
call
for
service,
but
what
is
any
is
every
call
that
comes
in
a
call
for
service
or
is
an
officer
if
they
are
on
the
street
and
they
observe
something
and
that
ends
up
in
an
arrest
or
it
doesn't
does
that
count
as
a?
How
is
that
calculated
in
this
call
for
service
model,
and
then
are
we
also,
including,
is
this
just
calls
for
the
police
department,
or
is
this
calls
to
9-1-1
overall?
That
would
include
fire
department.
Calls.
I
They'll
try
to
answer
this
in
reverse
order.
No,
this
does
not
include
fire
department
calls
this.
This
is
this,
is
police
related
matters
also,
if,
if
we
dispatch
or
the
officers,
see
something
on
scene
and
calls
it
and
it's
a
call
for
service,
if
you
call
up
and
say,
send
the
police
to
my
house
or
send
the
police
even
what
was
discussed
earlier
by
commander
glue
the
person
who
called
about
the
parking
complaint,
it's
call
for
service
and
and
so
that
that
activity
is
in
here
and
it's
just
just
police,
not
not
anything
else.
I
Now
I'll
clarify
that
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
sure
how
the
new
cad
system
is
measuring
that
okay,
but
but
generally
police
initiated
activities
are
included
in
calls
for
service.
Thank
you.
D
C
Would
and
I'm
really
reserving
a
lot
of
these
lines
of
questions
until
we
get
a
kind
of
permanent
city
manager
in
place,
but
this
is
something
that
I'm
going
to
be
a
real
stickler
on
moving
forward,
not
just
in
the
police
department,
but
every
department
is
just
to
really
understand
how
success
is
measured.
C
I
think,
if
the
public,
and
also
this
this
body
understood
how
success
was
measured
in
every
department,
then
these
conversations
would
be
easier
right,
because
we
would
agree
on
those
measures
and
then
it's
very
clear
in
the
year
month
by
month,
are
we
hitting
those?
Are
we
not?
I
think
the
issue
is
it's
a
lot
of
subjectivity
right?
It's
it
just
depends
on.
We
haven't
agreed
on
what
and
what
those
measures
of
success
are
to
me.
C
You
know
if,
if
I'm
a,
if
I'm
a
police
chief,
one
of
the
measures
is
all
right:
how
how
quickly
are
we
are
we
able
to
respond
to
service
calls
and
how?
How
often
are
we
able
to
stop
things
in
the
act?
How
we?
How
often
are
we
able
to
stop
things
before
they
occur
right?
How
often
does
a
crime
occur
and
we're
able
to,
within
a
certain
amount
of
time,
apprehend,
identify
and
apprehend
the
offender
right?
C
C
What
is
a
good
staffing
level
for
the
community
responder
model,
or
you
know,
division
if
we
end
up
adopting
one,
and
but
I
appreciate
this
report,
this
is
really
good
information.
Thank
you
and
sir.
If
I.
I
May
the
traditional
response
from
police
agencies
is
going
to
be,
and
myself
included,
is
I'm
very
focused
on
part
one
crime
numbers
that
that
my
to
summarize
what
I
think
I
do
for
a
living?
Is
there
less
victims
this
year
than
there
were
last
year
that
that's
all
I
want
to
know.
I
mean,
and,
and
really
it's
an
expensive
endeavor
to
get
there,
but
that's
really
the
motivation.
I
I
If
they're
doing
what
they're
doing
now,
I
would
suggest
it's
not
working,
but
we
we
can't
directly
fix
that,
and
so
now,
how
are
we
adjusting
what
we're
doing
to
function
in
that
environment?
How
does
that
impact
on
our
part?
One
crime
and
victimization,
when
perhaps
other
entities
in
the
criminal
justice
system
aren't
going
full
speed
ahead,
but
I
think
the
clearance
rate
is
something
we
can
provide.
You
with
response
times
is
something
we
can
provide
you
with,
which
are
concrete,
metrics
that
you
can
say,
I'm
chief,
I'm
really
not
interested
in
that
metric.
C
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
we-
those
are
those
are
really
good
metrics.
C
I
think
we
need
to
add
to
the
metrics
and-
and
I
would
take
it
back
to
again
things
I
think-
we're
more
in
control
of
as
opposed
to
things
that
I
think
have
more
to
do
with
what's
happening,
regionally
right,
what
are
some
things
that
our
officers
are
more
directly
in
control
of,
because
that's
tough,
if
you're
only
watching
victimization
again,
I
think
that's
just
we
can
measure
it,
but
I
think
there's
some
other
metrics
that
are
more
closely
related
to
things
that
our
officers
can
can
control
and
I'd
love
to
have
a
really
robust
discussion
about
that.
C
In
the
coming
months
again,
I've
held
back
from
having
these
discussions
until
we
have
a
permanent
city
manager
in
place,
because
I'm
really
going
to
be
looking
for
that
individual
to
usher
in
some
of
these
new
ways
of
measuring
productivity,
measuring
outcomes
and
success
and
informing
using
that
to
inform
decisions
like
this,
because
these
are
really
difficult
discussions
to
have,
because
I
don't
think
we're
having
it
from
a
metric
standpoint,
which
leaves
too
much
in
the
air
for
individual
interpretations
and
and
how
we
make
styles
of
policing.
C
I
So
if
we
can
begin
to
look
at
the
issues,
the
metrics
that
you're
interested
in
the
sooner,
we
can
start
the
research
to
have
answers
for
the
next
chief
for
the
next
city
manager
and
and
if
we
can
begin
to
work
on
those
and
incorporate
some
of
those.
Now
that
that's
less
stuff
for
the
new
guys
to
do.
E
Councilman
reed
one
last
thing.
Thank
you
and
I'm
really
glad
about
that
answer
there
because
part
run.
One
crime,
I
think,
is
the
crime
that
most
of
us
are
most
concerned
about.
You
know
it's:
it's
burglary,
larceny
motor
vehicle
theft,
arts
and
human
trafficking,
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
the
the
the
really
dark
stuff
that
causes
real
pain
to
other
people.
E
So
I
would
love
to
see
an
analysis
similar
to
what
we
did
here
specifically
of
part
one
crime,
because
if
we're
including
you
know,
traffic
stops
for
someone
who
you
know
didn't
get
their
taillight
fixed,
that's
not
crime
that
I'm
necessarily
worried
about
and
that
I
need
you
know
tracked
here
with
with
the
officers,
but
homicide
aggravated
assault,
those
kind
of
things
motor
vehicle
theft,
that's
the
kind
of
crime
that
I'm
most,
that
I
think
police
officers
are
most
equipped
to
handle,
and
so
I'd
just
love
to
see
that
analysis
in
compared
to
what
sir,
the
number
of
officers
on
on
the
force.
L
I
A
All
right
is
that
everything
everybody
has.
Okay,
then,
can
we
have
a
voice
vote
to
accept
and
place
on
file?
This
update,
favor,
please
say:
aye
oppose
no
okay.
Thank
you,
chief
and
we'll
be
see
you
in
a
minute.
Okay,
so
we
need
someone
to
make
a
motion
to
take
us
into
executive
session.
I.
B
B
Pursuant
to
5
illinois
piles
statute
20-2-a,
I
move
the
rules
committee
convene.
Excuse
me.
This
is
human
services
command
into
executive
session
to
discuss
agenda
items
regarding
personnel.
The
agenda
item
is
permitted
subject
to
considered
executive
session
and
his
enumerated
exception
under
the
open
meetings
act.
E
Okay,
should
I
should
we
add
collective
bargaining?
Should
we
should
we
add
collective
bargaining
as
one
of
the
exemptions?
It's.
B
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
read:
what's
what's
stated
so
the
exemptions
public
body
may
hold
closed
meetings
to
consider
the
following
appointment:
employment,
compensation,
discipline,
performance
or
dismissal,
specific
of
employees
to
the
public
body
or
legal
counsel
for
the
public
body,
including
hearing
testimony
on
complaint
lodged
against
employee
public
body
against
the
legal
counsel
for
the
public
body
to
determine
its
validity.
E
Don't
need
a
role,
actually,
I
think,
for
executive
session.
We
may
do
it,
but.