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A
We
do
have
a
quorum,
I'm
going
to
start
with
approval
of
our
minutes
from
our
regular
meeting
and
our
special
meeting.
So
I
move
approval
for
the
alderman.
B
A
A
A
Thank
you
for
that
reminder
on
my
breakaway.
Can
we
have
a
role,
please
staff.
A
Who's,
our
staff
for
this
meeting,
is
it
nicola
or
ike.
A
All
staff-
yes,
ottoman,
breakway,
hi,
admiral
hi
ottoman,
fisk
all
right
all
right!
Thank
you.
That
motion
carries
for
us
to
have
our
medium
via
zoom
platform,
so
I'm
going
to
move
the
approval
of
minutes
for
the
regular
special
meetings.
That
is
minutes
from
our
regular
meeting,
which
was
yes
ottoman
reveal
oh,
no
go
make
the
motion.
C
So
for
the
august
3rd
minutes
it
should
say
that
the
meeting
started
at
5
30,
but
then
for
all
three
sets
of
minutes.
It
should
mention
that
we
did
suspend
the
rules
to
meet
by
to
me
by
zoom
per
governor's
order.
So
we
need
to,
I
think,
have
that
actually,
in
our
minutes.
C
A
D
That's
correct:
you
have
to
move
for
the
amendment,
remove
move
it
move
that
they
be
accepted.
Pursuant
to
the
amendment
that
she
noted.
A
You
want
to
do
the
next
one
and
then
we'll
do
the
roll
call
at
the
end,
and
I
move
approval.
C
Of
the
minutes
of
august
17th
to
include
amended
to
include
no
notice
that
we
suspended
the
rules
to
meet
virtually
and
the.
I
move.
Approval
of
the
minutes
of
august
31st.
E
E
You
want
me
to
do
the
roll.
F
D
A
A
D
A
So
that
motion
carries
four
to
zero.
Thank
you
for
those
corrections.
Do
we
have
anyone
sign
up
for
public
comment,
mr
ogbo.
G
A
I
Okay,
good
evening,
members
of
the
human
service
committee,
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
social
media
policy
that
you'll
be
discussing
this
evening
and
as
a
member
of
the
citizen
network
of
protection,
we
would
appreciate
if
we
would
have
a
response
to
our
request
that
was
submitted
in
february,
asking
the
chief
and
the
interim
city
manager
to
address
the
social
media
policy
issues.
I
Accordingly,
there
are
officers
who
are
posting,
inappropriate
content
on
social
media,
one
officer
targeting
evanston
miners
and
members
of
the
cnp.
This
didn't
need
to
happen,
and
I
hope
tonight
there
is
a
sense
and
a
serious
reevaluation
of
epd's
social
media
policy
and
its
enforcement
of
this
policy.
I
We
expect
to
be
to
respect
the
police
department,
and
we
also
expect
to
have
the
same
respect
given
to
our
organization
when
we
are
trying
to
get
information
to
make
better
relationships
between
the
police
and
the
citizens
of
evanston.
Thank
you.
D
Sorry
about
that
doreen
price.
J
Hi
cicely
and
the
members
of
the
committee,
I
wanted
to
speak
on
behalf
of
hs2
with
regard
to
the
episode
animal
shelter
in
full
support
of
all
their
efforts
and
continued
support
of
of
of
of
low-income
people
who
need
help
with
regard
to
having
their
dogs
or
animals
taking
it
taken
care
of
as
well.
J
So
I'm
saying
that,
in
support
of
whatever
is
going
to
be
developed,
that
it
can
include
the
capability
of
helping
people
obtain
service
dogs
through
proper
training
and
support,
especially
those
we're
talking
about
the
most
vulnerable
and
the
people
who
most
need
and
those
with
disabilities
who
need
service
dogs
are
definitely
in
that
category,
and
some
people
even
have
more
hurdles
than
that
in
their
life.
That
this
sort
of
support
would
be
definitely
helpful.
J
So
just
saying,
I'm
really
glad
that
they're
the
organization
they
are
laura
biggs
and
everyone
else,
who's
trying
to
help
with
regard
to
this
effort
and
including
extra
accommodations
for
animals
coming
from
chicago,
is
a
huge,
wonderful
humanitarian
effort
as
well
as
one
that's
helping
to
save
the
animals,
because
the
animals
and
humans,
as
we
know,
can
help
each
other.
So
thank
you.
E
You
I
heard
carlos
speak
on
in
terms
of
some
of
the
things
that
our
cnp
want
to
address.
I
won't
read
my
whole
speech,
but
we
do
want
you
to
know
that
we
respect
everybody.
First
amendment
rights,
but
our
police
officers
was
restrained
by
the
supreme
courts
and
various
appellate
court
forms
that
limit
them
as
to
what
they
could
place
on
social
media,
about
other
people
that
include
our
public
sectors.
E
Employees-
and
we
had
brought
this
to
your
attention
back
in
february
as
a
problem
that
happened
back
then
it
was
not
addressed.
We
was
again
ignored,
marginalized
and
stuff
and
hey
it
says
business
as
usual,
so
we
will
be
seeing
the
same
thing,
hopefully
not
when
we
get
our
new
city
manager
in.
E
But
I
do
want
to
speak
to
the
discussion
you're
going
to
have
about
the
pledge
from
the
mayor
on
the
use
of
force,
his
90-day
pledge
thing
that
needs
to
be
discussed
in
the
broader
community
and
don't
understand
why
you
keep
talking
about
things
in
a
small
group
that
does
not
include
the
people.
E
We
talk
about
things
and
I
did
an
open
letter
and
there
was
a
debate
with
the
local
press
and
where
mayor
where
the
chief
said
he
stopped
the
stopping
fresh
well,
they
did
stop
that
saying
they
stopped
to
stop
and
frisk,
but
what
they
do,
they
called
it
a
different
name.
We
might
stop
some
individual
and
pat
him
down
to
see
if
he
has
some
weapon
or
some
illegal
drugs
or
something
on
him.
E
E
Sure,
well,
thank
you
and
this
they
don't
give
something
that
was
supposed
to
been
put
in
place
that
they
told
us
to
keep
track
of
that,
and
this
is
a
simple
little
contact
card.
We
have
too
many
residents
that
are
being
stopped
by
our
police
officer
and
not
giving
that
car
that
they
are
supposed
to
be
given
all
right.
A
A
L
Yes,
alderman,
we
do
have
a
presentation
and
deputy
chief
wright
will
lead
that.
But
first
I
want
to
introduce
some
of
our
esteemed
partners
from
northwestern
university
that
took
it
upon
themselves
at
our
request
to
look
at
our
use
of
force
policy.
L
Now
evanston
is
getting
this
view
of
use
of
force
and
how
we
implement
it
here
at
the
evanston
police
department,
from
some
of
the
most
esteemed
professors
in
the
in
the
business
of
law
enforcement
and
how
we
should
be
putting
forth
force
on
the
public,
and
I
and
I
want
to
publicly
thank
andrew
popper
christos,
who
is
the
faculty
director
at
northwestern
university
in
the
sociology
department,
miss
soledad,
a
mcgrath
who
is
the
executive
director
at
the
in
three
policy
center
over
at
northwestern
and
researcher
jonathan
sun?
L
L
L
Miss
esther
just
spoke
about
public
input.
That
is
one
of
the
things
that
they
recommend
in
in
in
how
they
reviewed
our
policy.
So
we
will
be
having
a
situation
where
the
public
can
give
input.
I've
already
asked
mayor
hagerty
if
he
would
extend
and
have
a
an
additional
question
and
answer
on
the
use
of
force,
so
that
is
forthcoming
and
right
now,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
deputy
chief
right.
M
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
human
services
committee,
there
is
no
presentation.
M
M
My
repair
prepare
remarks
were
to
the
extent
which
were
just
expressed
by
chief
cook,
and
that
was
just
to
introduce
soledad
mcgrath,
the
executive
director
and
dr
papa
crystal
papa
christos,
who
is
the
faculty
director,
and
we
invited
them
to
this
meeting
for
any
questions
and
discussion
that
a
council
may
have.
B
Commander,
could
I
ask
whether
it's
you
or
someone
just
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
are
paying
attention
and
because
this
is
such
a
a
current
relevant
topic
that
that
all
municipalities
states
are
dealing
with
in
reading
it.
There
are
several
recommendations
and
whether
it's
you
or
someone
from
the
group
that
did
the
research,
I
think
it
would
be
good,
and
maybe
that's
my
assumption-
that
he
will
go
through
the
recommendations
and
just
give
a
high
level
overview
of
the
report.
M
Sure
it
wasn't
the
department
that
prepared
the
report.
I
do
have
dr
papa
crystals
and
soledad
mcgrath.
They
are
on
the
zoom
now.
M
So,
if,
if
there
are
no
questions,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
them
and
they
can
go
over
the
key
findings
with
some
of
the
discussion
topics
subtopics
that
they
have
for
each
finding.
A
B
Well,
I
think
just
like
an
overview,
because
what
this
is
a
quick
overview,
I
mean
just
go
over
the
recommendations
and
and
in
your
findings.
This
is
something
that
you
know:
evanston
isn't
shielded,
but
we're
we're
we're
not
as
bad
as
as
some
other
cities
that
we
see
that
are
in
the
news
and
there's
some
real
clear
recommendations
and
findings.
That's
what
I'm
just
asking
them
to
give
an
overview
for.
A
M
N
Absolutely
thanks
for
thanks
for
having
us-
and
I
think
I
will
just
touch
on
the
high
level
next
steps
and,
of
course,
happy
to
answer
any
kind
of
questions.
I
think
it
was
really
important
for
us
to
understand,
and
especially
as
an
evanstonian,
you
know
how
this
situates,
with
people's
experience
with
the
police,
and
so
our
next
steps
and
our
key
findings
did
a
few
things
one.
N
You
know
we
definitely
found,
as
you
go
to
detail
in
the
report,
that,
on
paper,
a
lot
of
epd's
policies
are
already
above
sort
of
some
of
the
standard
thresholds
that
we've
seen
and
above
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
called
for
since
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
already
banning
chokeholds,
for
example,
already
meeting
some
of
the
minimums
and
exceeding
them
already
again
in
policy.
But
we'd
like
to
see
that
commitment
reaffirmed
and
we've
offered
a
couple
of
things
that
we
can.
You
know
some
steps
that
you
can
tangible
next
steps.
N
This
policy
of
use
of
force
forward
in
evanston
and
part
of
that
is,
of
course,
recognizing
that
use
of
force
is
one
end
of
the
spectrum
of
a
sort
of
behavior.
That's
problematic
that
we're
paying
attention
to,
but
it
goes
all
the
way
across
the
sorts
of
behaviors
and
interaction
that
police
are
having
with
the
community.
N
The
final
two
high-level
recommendations
we
have
the
first
is
to
review
and
update
all
used
to
force
training
materials
to
make
sure
that
these
are
revised
to
a
minimum
of
where
we
believe
evanston
should
be
in
this
space,
but
also,
hopefully
exceed
that
and
finally,
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague
to
make
sure
I
haven't
missed
anything.
Consider
any
additional
reforms
needed
to
bolster
sort
of
use
of
force
policies.
K
Thank
you.
No,
I
think
that
that
covers
it.
What
I,
what
I
do
just
want
to
emphasize,
though,
is
that
the
the
review
of
the
use
of
force
policy
is,
is
the
review
of
one
policy
and
just
just
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
taking
a
very
comprehensive
approach
and
all
the
complementary
policies
that
are
going
to
be
affected
or
impacted
in
some
way
by
any
revisions
or
updates
to
this
particular
policy.
K
A
C
Well,
I
guess
I
was
just
going
to
look
to
chief
cook
to
see
what
he
thinks
are
the
next
steps
then,
and
how
are
we
going
to
gather
the
public
comment?
That's
been
mentioned
this
evening.
L
Well,
the
next
step
that
I
would
like
to
take
is
the
public
comment
and,
as
I
stated
previously,
but
I've
already
spoken
with
mayor
hagerty
about
sponsoring
another
q
and
a
where
the
public
can
give
us
their
perception
after
they
have
reviewed
this
document
and
also,
as
ms
mcgrath
stated,
any
of
our
accompanying
use
of
force.
Documents
such
as
the
use
of
tasers
handcuffing
of
physical
combat
techniques
and
things
of
that
nature.
L
That
stuff
is
out
there
already
where
people
can
review
the
raw
policy
that
was
put
out
by
alexa
poll
and
as
we
get
feedback
on
those
other
policies
and
with
this
fine
document
that
northwestern
was
so
gracious
to
do
for
us
we'll
be
revising
our
whole
complement
of
use
of
force
items
to
have
one
comprehensive
suite
of
use
of
force
policies
going
forward
into
the
future
and
and
we've
already
received
the
lexapol
updates.
L
The
company
that
we
purchased
our
use
of
force
and
also
our
general
orders
from
we've
also
received
their
updates.
But
we
looking
at
implementing
what
has
been
put
forth
to
us
by
northwestern
into
all
of
our
policies.
So
we
got
a
little
bit
of
a
ways
to
go,
but
we
are
on
the
move
with
that.
L
As
they
stated,
we
had
a
strong
foundation
with
these
lexical
policies
because
they
did
address
some
of
the
things
that
aren't
in
many
of
these
other
cities,
general
orders
such
as
the
duty
to
intercede
and
so
forth,
but
I
was
glad
to
see
you
know
as
running
a
swat
team
for
a
number
of
years.
The
one
thing
that
we
talked
about
annually
was
the
sanctity
of
life
and
that
all
human
life
has
value
and
how
we
utilize.
L
A
I
have
a
question
chief
and
so
for
our
current
use
of
force
policy.
What
is
our
accompanying
policy?
A
If
officers,
you
know,
don't
follow
the
policy
right,
so
I
think
in
all
these
other
cases
or
some
of
these
other
cases
we're
seeing
things
are
happening
via
murder
or
something
else
where
the
police
force
might
have
a
policy,
but
the
officer's
you
know
not
following
it
or
it's
not
strong
enough.
So
what
is
our
current
accountability
measure
for
use
of
force,
and
I
I
use
use
of
force
not
to
just
mean
and
that
maybe
you
guys
can
clarify?
A
L
Well,
these
revisions
that
we're
in
the
process
of
making
and
having
this
professional
opinion
from
the
academic
world
is
the
basis
for
the
change
that
we
want
to
implement.
L
Now
we
also
have
accountability
measures
which
are
all
already
in
place
and
those
were
reviewed
by
the
helium
heights
company
when
they
put
out
their
review
of
the
police
department,
and
they
said
that
our
investigative
techniques
in
our
office
of
professional
standards,
we
had
an
industry
standard
way
of
doing
those
investigations.
L
Now
what
we
do
once
that
is
investigated
in-house,
and
it
depends
on
the
severity
of
the
infraction
that
the
officer
does,
because
you
know
anything
with
a
with
a
handgun
or
vehicle
that
may
require
an
outside
agency
to
come
in.
We
do
seek
that.
L
Through
the
public
integrity
unit
with
the
state
of
illinois
and
that's
the
outside
entity
that
will
come
in
and
investigate
and
provide
us
a
report
straight
to
the
cook
county
state's
attorney's
office,
the
state's
attorney's
office
reviews
those
serious
matters
and
then
it's
sent
down
as
to
whether
or
not
that
level
of
force
was
justified
or
not.
So
we,
we
utilize
industry,
standard
techniques.
We
do
go
to
outside
agencies
when
it's
death
involved
and
we
look
for
those
recommendations.
L
Not
only
from
you
know
the
state,
but
also
from
the
department
of
justice
also.
A
L
Yes
and
they'll
be
public
these,
my
my
you
know,
we
make
all
our
policies
public.
A
L
They'll
definitely
come
back
to
this
committee.
A
Okay,
and
actually
I
was
mistaken-
I
had
one
more
comment
so
in
this
report
andrew
you
mentioned,
you
know
the
community
input,
but
you
also
mentioned
like
a
racial
reconciliation,
and
I
would
just
say
I
completely
applaud
that,
but
I
think
we
have
to
make
sure
that
the
community
has
seen
us
make
some
tangible
efforts
to
repair
right
before
we
go
out
with
us.
A
You
know
speech
and
you
know
whatever
we
might
have
for
our
record
racial
reconciliation
right
that
there's
actually
some
tangible
change
that
our
citizens
have
seen,
and
so
you
just
heard
ms
esther
talk
about.
L
We
look
at
stop
and
frisk
in
the
sense
that
you
know
if
I
see
any
action
in
the
police
department
that
involves
a
population
of
any
group,
a
greater
population
of
blacks
being
stopped
versus
what
they
what
they
appear
to
be
in
the
population
of
of
this
city
or
any
group.
We
look
at
it
and
we
determined
that
change
is
needed.
Now,
officers
are
still
looking
at
how
we
do
tarry
stops.
L
A
So
I
can
say
all
I
want
that
I'm
doing
something,
but
if
the
citizens
don't
see
it
and
don't
feel
it
in
their
real
life,
everyday
experience
unfortunately,
doesn't
translate
so
so
andrew,
just
as
you
made
that
recommendation,
which
I
appreciate
that
it's
going
to
be
very
clear
that
we're
not
going
out
on
you
know
racial
reconciliation
campaign
when
our
citizens
are
still
proclaiming
that
they
feel
a
different
treatment
by
our
officers.
N
Absolutely
absolutely,
and
and
also
by
the
way,
are
putting
that
in
the
document
was
recognizing
that
and
not
saying
you
know
it
needs
to
be
something
that
you're
suggesting
evans
needs
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
on
its
own.
But
there
are
other
cities
that
have
done.
I
believe
you
know
some
of
what
you're
what
you're
expressing,
and
so
it
was
just
acknowledging
from
our.
G
N
B
Sorry
great
question:
at
the
beginning
of
the
document
andrew
you
mentioned,
the
last
use
of
force
was
with
the
young
man
that
was
observing.
Well,
the
situation
was
a
young
man
chief,
that
was
observing
the
police
stop,
and
my
question
is-
and
I
can't
I
can't
remember
if
I
raised
this
with
you
so
this-
if
this
is
the
first
time
you're
hearing
it.
Please
excuse
me
because
I
my
intention
was
to
raise
this
issue
with
before.
Is
there
any
standard
protocol
that
your
officers
use
when
they
do
stop
someone?
B
B
That
would
tell
the
average
resident
that
if
they
were
to
see
an
officer
whether
they
were
black
white
purple
pulling
someone
over
what
is
the
appropriate
proximity
to
like
to
stay
away
from
this?
B
L
The
off
the
officer's
safety
is
important
in
any
of
these
deals,
just
as
the
right
of
the
citizen
to
film,
and
we
allow
that
we
just
would
like
for
that
to
be
at
a
distance
that
not
interferes
with
the
actual
stop
and
that
video,
the
body
camera
video
and
the
in-car
camera
video
was
released
to
the
public
so
that
they
could
understand
exactly
what
we
mean
by
proximity.
L
When
the
event
police
department
is
involved
with
investigating
drug
crimes
or
crimes
where
it
may
be
suspects
with
guns,
we
don't
need
any
extra
interference.
I
don't
need
to
worry
about
a
stranger
walking
up
on
me
with
a
cell
phone,
while
I'm
bent
over
in
this
car
investigating
this
incident
and
that's
what
basically,
this
incident
with
mr
trenton
hunt
was
all
about.
It
was
a
drug
deal
that
he
was
involved
in.
A
L
Well,
it's
no!
It's
no
set
number
of
feet.
It's
no
set
number
of
feet.
It's
just
whatever
the
officers
it
tells
the
person
to
stand
back.
This
young
man
was
right
up
on
the
officer
in
the
car.
You
saw
the
video.
B
Talk,
I
think
I
think
I
think
it's
twofold
so
number
one
is:
is
there
a
standard
protocol
and
the
second
thing
that
I
would
would
then
suggest
to
you
and
the
commander
is,
I
think,
that's
an
opportunity
to
inform
our
residents
and
create
some
education
around
it.
I
mean
the
reality
is
like
that
type
of
tension
is
not
going
to
disappear
anytime,
soon,
correct,
and
if
I
look,
I
mean
I'll,
give
the
police
department
credit.
B
You
have
taken
a
lot
of
guns
off
the
streets,
so
if
I,
my
son,
anyone
else
was
to
see
an
officer
engaged
in
a
stop,
and
this
is
just
my
common
sense.
I
mean
I'll,
let
you
translate
it
into
the
police
protocol
and
that
is,
we
should
know
like
there's
a
six
feet:
social
distance
that
is
founded
in
everybody's
head
six
feet.
So
what
is
the
appropriate
distance
that
I'm
looking
for
our
evanston
police
department
to
like
set
some
modeling
is
so
if
it's
six
feet
for
coldwell?
What
is
going
to
be
the
distance?
L
Tell
him
to
go
away,
he
didn't
tell
him
to
put
his
phone
back.
He
just
asked
him
to
stay
on
the
sidewalk
over
on
this
side
of
the
street
and
when
you
have
to
be
interrupted
in
in
conducting
an
investigation
that
could
pose
a
level
of
danger
or
safety
to
the
police
officer,
and
you
continually
violate
those
orders
that
the
police
officer
is
giving
you
for
his
own
safety.
Then
that's
when
it's
appropriate
to
take
action.
F
Thank
you
chief
for
for
saying
that,
because
I
I
think
that
is
entirely
appropriate.
It's
like
or
not
quite
like,
but
we
were
asking
at
a
previous
human
services
committee
meeting.
I
think
well
over
a
year
ago
about
what
is
the
appropriate
response
that
people
that
the
public
should
have
when
they're
stopped
by
by
the
police.
Do
they
get
out
of
their
car?
Do
they?
What
do
they
do
and
it's
it's
educating
the
public
on
what
what
the
protocols
are
to
follow.
F
Discuss
police
stops
publicly
and
let
folks
know
why
ystop
was
conducted
in
a
certain
way.
It's
it's
it's
real
hard.
I
I
think
when
people
come
up
to
us
and
they
make
a
leap
of,
I
don't
know
leap
of
belief
that
something
happened
in
a
certain
way
when
maybe
that
was
justified
or
they
think
it
wasn't
and
it
may
have
been
and
we're
not
there's
nothing
that
we
can
say
so,
I'm
I
guess
I'm
searching
for
a
little
bit
better
communication
with
the
public
about
why
things
are
done.
F
The
way
they
are
in
certain
under
certain
circumstances.
I
have
no
idea
how
to
do
that.
I
thank
the
two
of
you
for
coming
here
and
talking
to
us
about
it
because
and
just
sort
of
understanding
that
we're
in
a
I
don't
know
we're
kind
of
in
a
difficult,
difficult
spot.
Here
I
mean
my
my
tendency
is
to
if
I
have
information
is
to
share
it,
but
I
understand
that
I'm
not
always
able
to
to
do
that.
So
what
would
your?
What
would
your
recommendation
be
either
cheap
for
our.
L
Guests
a
lot
of
these
situations.
We
want
to
explain,
we
don't
want
public
heat
or
people
not
knowing,
but
a
lot
of
times.
It's
litigation.
It's
other
people
involved.
L
You
know
informants
involved,
it's
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
stuff
involved,
so
we
have
to
take
our
time
and
weigh
a
lot
of
things
and
when
we
look
at
these
situations
and
if
releasing
video
paints
a
better
picture
for
the
public
or
or
having
a
parent
of
the
suspect,
we've
we've
done
that
on
numerous
occasions,
we've
had
the
family
members
of
folks
come
in
u.s
aldermen
in
particular,
human
services
can
come
into
the
station
and
look
at
the
video,
and
we
can
explain
it
to
you
and
you
could
ask
questions
we
do
that
on
on
a
number
of
cases.
L
L
If
you
have
questions
about
it
as
a
public
official
or
even
as
a
parent
or
even
a
suspect,
we
we
let
you
sit
down
and
look
at
the
video
and
we,
if
you
have
any
concerns
as
to
whether
or
not
you
feel
your
rights
or
you
were
mistreated.
L
We
encourage
you
to
file
a
complaint
and
then
we
can
look
at
all
aspects
of
it
and
come
to
a
conclusion.
That's
righteous,
that
is
in
line
with
industry
policy
and
so
forth.
B
A
B
Yeah,
okay,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
document
and
this
is
to
all
the
police
officers.
If
you
put
this
or
to
andrew,
you
put
this
in
the
first
paragraph.
Excuse
me
in
the
second
paragraph,
our
last
use
of
force
situation,
and
this
isn't.
This
is
an
anomaly.
This
is
something
that
people
continue
to
do
across
the
country.
B
N
B
Me
in
that
stop
is
there's
no
clear
boundary.
That's
marked
out
that
I
could
visibly
see
for
the
young
man's
interaction
and
I
wasn't
there.
I
don't
know
him.
I
did
not
have
a
conversation,
so
my
assumption
is
just
like
anyone
else.
If
I
see
a
police
stop
whether
it's
in
evanston
homewood
money,
wherever
I
travel,
my
common
instinct
is
to
get
out
the
car
and
to
start
recording
just
in
the
event
that
something
happens,
and
so
all
I'm
suggesting
to
you
who
submitted
this
in
our
police
department.
Is
I
don't.
I
can't
google
it.
B
So
I
think
it's
one
of
those
situations
where
we
can
create
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
attorneys
that
put
up
cards.
What
do
you
do
if
you're
stopped
by
the
police
know
your
rights
there's
an
organization
that
has
a
video
camera
that
you
can
press
as
soon
as
you
are
stopped,
it
starts
sends
a
recording
to.
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
agency,
so
I
think
in
this
situation,
whether
it's
a
campaign
of
six
feet,
10
feet
15
feet.
B
M
Chief,
if
I
made
an
alderman,
if
I
may,
I
I
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
you
cite
as
far
as
like
the
six
foot
rule
as
we
deal
with
that
personal
space
in
regards
to
covet.
That's
something!
That's
that's!
Based
on
on
science
and
doctor
recommendations
when
it
comes
to
traffic
stops
and
recordings.
As
the
chief
said,
a
lot
of
these
situations
are
different.
M
Every
stop
a
lot
of
them
are
dynamic,
and
you
know
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
it
was
just
that
it
was
more
than
just
a
traffic
stop
without
going
into
detail
and
to
give
you
and
the
public
who's
also
watching
just
some
guidance.
M
If
you
know
most
police
stops
or
most
traffic
stops,
the
vehicle
is
curved
to
the
right
of
the
roadway.
So
in
my
experience
the
police
officer
is
never
going
to
say
anything
to
anyone,
who's
standing
on
the
other
side
of
the
roadway,
that's
recording.
So,
if
you're
on
one
side
of
the
street
recording
in
my
experience
and
we
get
recorded
all
the
time,
a
police
officer
is
never
going
to
say
anything
to
anyone.
M
That's
standing
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
so
just
as
some
initial
guidance
until
I
guess
some
concrete
determinations
can
be
made
from
within.
If
anybody
is
stopping
to
record
the
police,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
if
you're
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
from
the
interaction,
then
you're
okay
to
be
recording,
if
you're
a
couple
car
lens,
either
in
the
rear
or
in
the
front
of
that
police,
stop,
you
should
be
okay
recording.
M
But,
like
the
chief
said,
some
of
these
situations
are
different
and
some
of
these
traffic
stops
or
what
the
public
is
labeling.
This
traffic
stop
is
more
than
a
traffic
stop.
They
could
be
from
a
long-term
investigation.
They
could
be
related
to
a
handgun
or
a
robbery
that
just
occurred.
So
in
that
situation
an
officer
will
give
the
person
direction
as
to
what's
safe
and
what's
not
safe,
and
at
that
point
the
person
should
follow
the
directions
of
the
officers.
M
That's
on
scene
for
guidance
on
what's
safe
and
a
dis
was
a
safe
distance
to
record
at
that
particular
time,
but,
generally
speaking
across
the
street
would
be
a
safe
distance.
A
couple
car
lens
in
front
or
in
back
of
that
police
stop
will
be
a
safe
distance,
but
to
say
20
feet
is
the
magic
number.
I
don't
think
you
can
say
that,
because
every
traffic
stop
or
every
investigative
stop
is
different.
B
I
would
agree
with
you
commander
and
if
I
could
respond
and
then
I
would
agree
with
you
commander,
and
I
guess
what
I'm
would
suggest
is
just
the
best
practice.
I
mean
every
time,
there's
a
a
a
stop,
a
shooting.
We
see
the
video
from
individuals
before
we
would
ever
see
something
from
an
officer's
body
camera.
Would
you
agree
with
that
commander?
I
mean
this.
I'm
sorry
you've
been
promoted.
In
my
opinion,.
M
B
And
so,
in
addition
to
seeing
that
we
are
bombarded
with
police
interactions
with
those
people
that
are
filming
the
tapes
that
we
see
and
nowhere
in
there
do.
I
have
a
in
my
mind
something
that
I
can
educate
my
son.
If
you
stop
by
the
police,
put
your
hands
on
the
steering
wheel.
If
it's
dark,
you
take
your
hand
and
you
turn
on
the
light.
That's
something
that
I
teach
my
sons
that
I'm
sure
other
black
parents
do,
and
I
know
I'm
being
a
little
long-winded.
B
That's
that's
a
very
safe
zone
and
I
think
we
can
do
messaging
around
that,
because
some
of
the
concerns
that
I
saw
with
that
with
that
video
is
that
the
officer
who
approached
that
young
man
took
his
attention
away
from
the
car
and
whatever
was
going
on
there
and
another
protocol
could
be
if
we
know
that
it's
a
gun,
stop
and
I'm.
We
can
talk
about
this
offline
that
there's
a
supervisor.
That's
called
on
the
stop
on
the
spot
right
then,
and
there
to
help
manage
a
situation
like
that.
I
don't
think
I
observed
that.
D
A
Alderman,
you
know,
I
think
that
was
some
good
direction
and
maybe
our
police
can
work
with
our
legal
team,
and
I
don't
you
know
I
don't
know.
I
know
the
police
have
a
whole
set
of
laws
and
regulations
and
policies,
but
if
there
is
something
we
want
to
look
at
look
at
crafting
for
evanson
or
those
guidelines
just
to
make
sure
they
don't
limit
our
police
too
much
in
the
work
that
they're
doing
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
make
barriers
for
our
citizens
or
the
police,
but.
L
A
A
You
know
I
mean
I
think
that
is
probably
something
worthwhile
and
I
don't
know
if
andrew
when
you
revisit
us
again,
I
don't
know
what
nationwide
they're
doing.
I
think
ottoman
breakaway
had
a
good
point
about
you're,
seeing
all
this
social
media
footage.
There's
a
thousand
people
talking,
there's
25
cameras
going.
I
don't
know
if
we're
seeing
nationwide
some
trending
on
kind
of
what
the
best
practice
is
around
this,
because
I
think
anytime,
you
probably
tell
the
citizens
to
move
back.
Most
of
them
are
going
to
reply
with
it's
my
right
to
videotape
you.
A
So
even
if
it's
officer
training
around
the
language
you're
using
just
like
you
did
right
now,
dc
right,
which
was
very
people,
can
understand
that
please
stand
on
the
other
side
of
the
car.
You
know
you're
not
questioning
their
right
to
record
you're,
just
giving
them
some
parameters
under
where
to
stand.
But
that's,
as
you
said,
not
the
law
for
every
stop.
A
You
have
any
national
information
you
can
share
with
us
on
this
issue,
so.
N
It's
a
great
issue,
and
it's
one
that
people
have
people
are
talking
about.
As
far
as
I
know,
there's
no
best
practice
on
this
particular
issue,
though
there
are
best
practices
on
related
issues
such
as
de-escalation.
N
It
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
be
having
those
conversations-
and
you
know
we
are
here
to
potentially
offer
our
help
as
we
can
around
those
issues,
but
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
don't
I
don't
know
anything.
I
don't
know
if
my
colleagues
know
of
any,
but
I
don't
think
there
is
one
in
this
particular
type
of
interaction.
K
Yet
that's
been
set
on
on
this
particular
issue
and
and
on
the
contrary,
actually,
I
think
it
highlights
the
importance
of
the
de-escalation
techniques
and
the
trainings
that
that
go
in
there,
because
in
some
cases
the
best
situation
or
the
best
response
an
officer
can
have
is,
is
to
turn
away
or
to
walk
away,
assuming
that
it's
safe,
so
it's
not
always
to
engage
and
and
a
best
practice
is
actually
moving
away
from
the
idea
that
there
have
to
be
specific
set
distances
between
individuals.
K
So,
for
example,
you
may
have
heard
of
the
21
foot
rule,
and
so
best
practice
is
really
to
move
away
from
that
to
really
focus
on
the
deep
escalation
training
to
give
officers
the
tools
to
be
able
to
engage
with
with
communities
in
in
a
safe
and
respectful
way.
L
And
yeah
and
she's
absolutely
right
on
that.
You
know
with
a
knife:
it
was
21
feet.
If
you
were
within
that
distance,
it
was
supposed
to
be
a
safe
zone,
but
just
as
we
just
saw
last
week
where
chicago
police
released
the
video
of
a
police
officer
getting
stabbed,
it
was,
it
was
much
greater
than
21
feet
and
with
a
handgun
it
could
be
any
amount
of
feet
when
they
conducted
these
investigations
on
the
traffic
stop
and
they
may
not
have
found
that
the
person
they
stopped
has
a
weapon.
L
Yet
so,
if
you
have
the
public,
you
know
this
is
a
two-way
street,
not
only
respected
they
write
to
to
have
video,
but
also
putting
them
in
a
position
where
they
don't
get
injured
or
cause
the
police
officer
to
get
in.
So
this
is
not
a
situation.
Yet
in
america,
where
they're
saying
all
right,
you
wouldn't
10
feet.
You
can
video,
because
it's
dynamics
that
we
don't
know
that
could
possibly
happen.
B
B
A
I
was
just
saying:
we've
had
a
good
discussion,
you'll
be
back
when
these
policies
are
instituted
after
your
town
hall
and
then
we'll
see.
If
there's
anything
to
add
ottoman,
breakaways
comments
and
concerns
all.
G
A
Now,
I'm
moving
on
to
our
second
agenda
item
for
the
night,
which
is
hs2
staff,
will
provide
an
update
on
cook
county
grant
for
the
evanston
animal
shelter
and
seek
direction
from
the
committee.
This
is
for
discussion,
ms
biggs.
A
H
H
So
when
we
last
talked
back
in
february,
we
had
been
seeking
permission
to
apply
for
a
grant
from
cook
county
to
make
capital
improvements
at
our
evanston
animal
shelter.
Building
we
did
receive
the
grant,
but
it
was
a
much
reduced
amount
from
what
we
actually
asked
for,
which
requires
us
to
potentially
make
some
changes
to
the
project
proposal.
H
H
Oh,
I
see
it's
sharing
the
wrong
hold
on
one
second,.
H
H
H
I'm
sorry
if
somebody
else
has
it
to
share
I'm
still
pulling
it
up.
Unfortunately,
I
thought
I
had
it
queued
up.
I
could
pull
it
up
still,
but
it's
just
taking
me
a
minute.
H
A
H
H
Hey
sorry
about
my
zoom
limitations
here,
okay,
so
this
is
just
a
list
of
discussion
items,
but
what
I
wanted
to
point
out
to
you
is
one
of
the
issues
with
our
animal.
Shelter
is
just
generally
the
overcrowdedness
and
I'm
not
actually
talking
about
the
animal
overcrowdedness,
but
how
we
have
tried
to
shoehorn
and
make
do
with
some
very
limited
spaces
for
a
lot
of
different
operations.
H
This
building
was
not
originally
designed
to
be
a
no
kill
shelter,
and
it
has
really
some
pretty
substantial
capital
needs,
the
hvac
electrical.
You
don't
have.
Zoned,
hvac
and
systems
are
pretty
old,
but
they're,
definitely
not
code
compliant
public
facing
operation
space,
so
adoption
rooms,
training
rooms,
indoor
animal
enrichment
just
does
not
exist.
There's
not
a
fire
protection
system
such
as
a
sprinkler
in
place,
so
that
we
are
limited
in
our
ability
to
deal
with
emergencies
and
it
is
not
ada
accessible.
H
O
Can
you
look
I'm
still
seeing
the
first
slide?
Is
everybody
else
still
seeing
the
first
slide,
or
is
it
just
me.
H
They're
moving
on
my
screen,
I
can
you
pull
up
the.
D
A
For
those
at
home,
that
powerpoint
is
online.
Is
that
correct,
laura.
O
H
Think
about
it
now!
Thank
you
so
much
so
we're
next
page
after
that.
H
O
Are
okay,
so,
over
the
past
few
months
our
whole
world
has
changed
in
more
ways
than
just
the
animal
shelter,
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
become
obvious
is,
as
the
world
became
more
uncertain.
Many
of
us
turned
to
animals
as
a
source
of
security.
O
We
received
literally
hundreds
of
foster
applications.
It
was
a
little
overwhelming
back
in
the
early
days
of
the
pandemic,
we've
been
able
to
keep
the
shelter
population
at
a
record
low,
and
we
have
worked
with
families
in
very
difficult
situations,
definitely
trying
to
hold
on
to
their
animals.
Can
you
scroll
down?
Okay,
if
you
remember
nothing
else
from
what
I
say
tonight.
I
hope
you
remember
this.
We
have
it's
not
just
about
cats
and
dogs.
It's
about
families.
I
know
not.
O
Everybody,
you
know
is
an
animal
person
and
if
you
don't
have
animals,
you
may
not
understand
how
important
that
that
animal
can
be
as
a
part
of
your
family,
but
it
really
is-
and
especially
now
so,
we
pivoted
early
in
the
pandemic
to
understanding
that
instead
of
taking
in
a
bunch
of
animals
that
people
really
wanted
to
hang
on
to
our
role
needed
to
be,
how
can
we
help
you
keep
your
animal
and
we
even
purchased
this
banner
in
the
parking
lot.
So
people
would
know
that
that
was
our
leading
question
go
ahead.
O
So
during
that
time
you
know,
we've
always
had
a
food
pantry
and
we
used
to
give
away
a
dozen
bags
of
food
a
week
since
the
pandemic
started
in
april.
We
have
given
away
about
a
thousand
pounds
a
thousand
bags
of
food,
a
thousand
pounds
of
food
per
week,
twenty
seven
thousand
pounds
of
food
since
april.
O
I
don't
know
if
you
can
envision
how
much
twenty
seven
thousand
pounds
food
is,
but
it's
a
lot
and
we've
used
the
evanston
emergency
food
pantry,
the
produce,
mobile
meals
on
wheels
and
people
coming
to
the
shelter
all
of
those.
As
distribution
channels,
every
bag
of
food
represents
a
family
with
one
less
thing
that
they
have
to
worry
about
right
now:
okay,
we
already
were
very
social
services,
oriented
our
custodial
program
and
our
senior
safety
net
program
have
been
around
for
a
while,
but
we've
had
to
expand
those
programs.
O
O
What,
if
I'm
evicted
from
my
home,
what
if
the
domestic
violence
I'm
experiencing
escalates,
and
I
have
to
find
a
place
for
my
pet,
what
happens
to
my
pets
if
I
die
and
how
can
I?
How
can
I
pay
for
my
my
pets,
medical
care?
Those
are
all
real
life
questions
that
we
that
we
have
worked
with
people
on
it's
very
important
for
them
to
be
able
to
keep
their
pet
or
know
that
their
pet
is
safe.
O
In
addition,
we
do
a
lot
of
fundraising,
obviously,
and
if
you
look
at
the
numbers
we've
taken
in
from
individual
fundraising
sources,
individual
donation
sources,
since
2017
of
the
233
thousand
dollars
that
we've
raised
through
that
channel
62
of
those
donations
came
from
outside
of
the
city
of
evanston,
so
we're
bringing
money
into
the
community
that
we
can
then
help
with
the
social
services
aspect
of
helping
evanston
residents.
O
Of
course,
I
think
laura
mentioned
our
97
percent
say
right.
97
of
the
animals
that
come
through
our
door
are
saved,
and
this
is
just
you
know.
I
have
to
show
a
cute
animal
picture
in
a
presentation.
This
is
wally
who
came
to
us
looking
as
he
did
on
the
left,
and
now
you
know
he's
living
his
best
life
in
the
picture
on
the
right
go
ahead
mike
and
finally,
so
what
will
the
new
space
mean
to
the
community
and
actually
what
dorian
price
said
in
her
comments?
O
Kind
of
plays
to
some
of
this.
Certainly,
the
animals
will
have
better
living
conditions
in
an
upgraded
facility,
but
also
the
money
that
we
save.
By
being
able
to
have
an
in-house
veterinarian
could
be
used
for
social
services.
Programs
we'd
have
more
storage,
so
we
could
get
better
deals
on
food
and
then
we
could,
you
know,
have
a
better
prices
for
our
food
pantry
donations.
O
We
we
have
more
community
space
available.
There
are
so
many
things:
rescue
readers,
junior
volunteers
that
we
just
have
such
limited
space,
for
we
would
love
to
have
behavior
assistance
and
training
classes
for
people
in
the
community,
and
we
don't
have
the
space
for
that
now.
We'd
like
to
expand
our
current
free
clinic
that
provides
rabies,
vaccinations
and
microchips
and
and
of
course,
and
laura
will
talk
more
about
this
part
if
she
already
hasn't,
but
the
facility
doesn't
even
meet
standards
for
people
for
ada
and
basic
fire
safety
codes.
O
And
then
the
last
thing
I'll
add
is
that
originally
issa,
the
evans
animal
shelter
association,
was
going
to
pledge
500
000
for
the
new
facility
and
since
the
since
the
grant
is
different
than
we
anticipated.
Originally
we're
pledging
a
million
instead
and
that's
it
back
to
you-
are.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
So
when
we
applied
for
the
cook
county
grant
program,
they
were
they
basically
said
we
have
eight
million
dollars
to
parse
out,
and
so
we
had
applied
for
a
four
and
a
half
million
dollar
brand,
making
up
the
rest
of
the
money
with
the
city
of
evanston,
putting
in
a
million
is
matching
grant
and
esa
putting
in
is
500
000.
H
Our
proposal
was
for
demolition,
construction
and
construction
of
a
new
building
and
part
of
the
reason
for
that
is
because
the
existing
building
is
pretty
awkward
and
there
are
some
fairly
high
standards.
We
know
that
the
residents
like
us
to
comply
with,
and
so
in
order
to
really
come
up
with
a
really
nice
space
that
everybody's
really
happy
with.
I
wouldn't
call
it
gold
plated
because
it's
not
like
it
had
high-end
finishes,
we're
dramatically
expanding
or
anything
like
that,
but
you
know
something
that
looked
like
it
was
very
intentional
design.
H
Really
replacing
the
existing
building
is
probably
a
better
option.
I
will
say
the
existing
building
is
not
code,
compliant
on
a
lot
of
levels,
and
we've
talked
for
over
10
years
back
when
care
was
running
it
about
the
incredible
need
to
do
substantial
capital
improvement
here.
Is
this
building's
pretty
much
not
designed
for
its
existing
purpose
and
is
also
reaching
the
end
of
its
life?
H
Next
slide?
Please,
when
we
received
the
cook
brownie
county
grant
award,
they
only
awarded
us
two
million
dollars
and
I'm
going
to
say
that
and
then
I'm
going
to
say
they
awarded
us
2
million
dollars,
which
is
actually
a
heck
of
a
gift
to
our
community,
so
it
does
make
following
through
with
our
project
proposal,
a
lot
more
challenging,
but
two
million
dollars
is
really
a
very
nice
grant
in
which
offers
us
quite
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
better
afford.
H
Whatever
improvements
we
need,
however,
we
did
realize
the
project
ideally
should
be
much
reduced,
so
we
just
got.
We
did
a
lot
of
stuff
between
may
and
now
talking
with
industry
experts
really
looking
at
what
is
the
minimum
that
we
feel
like
we
can
get
by
with
and
trying
to
look
at
the
long-term
contract
terms
for
cook
county,
because
the
the
negotiation
is
that
they
will
give
us
this
money,
but
we
do
have
to
enter
into
a
long-term
contract
to
take
their
impounded
animals,
which
total
approximately
150
per
year.
H
H
So
there's
really
two
solutions
for
moving
forward
one
is
we
go
with
the
project
proposal
we
already
put
together
for
a
new
building,
but
the
city
of
evanston
will
have
to
dramatically
increase
its
contribution
to
this
project.
H
Evanston
animal
shelter
association
is
very
kindly
and
enthusiastically
willing
to
initiate
a
capital
improvement,
fundraising
campaign
and
they
believe
that
it
is
well
within
their
capabilities
to
raise
a
million
dollars,
so
they
would
happily
donate
to
this
project.
The
second
option
would
be
to
discreet
decrease
the
scope
renovate
the
existing
building
put
on
an
addition,
because
there
just
are
some
things
that
cannot
be
accommodated
in
the
existing
building.
Such
as
providing
a
room
for
a
veterinarian
to
come
on
site
and
see
animals
which
would
really
decrease
our
cost
for
vet
services
over
time.
H
This
still
requires
the
city
of
evanston
to
increase
its
contribution
to
a
million
and
a
half
to
get
to
the
four
and
a
half
million
dollar
project,
although
esa
is
also
still
increasing
their
contribution
next
slide,
please.
H
If
we
do
move
forward,
we
also
need
to
revise
our
mou
between
the
city
of
evanston
and
the
evanston
animal
shelter
association,
to
do
things
like
better
to
find
the
terms
of
a
capital,
fundraising
program
and
other
items
such
as
that.
H
We
would
then
need
to
move
forward
on
a
pretty
brisk
schedule
in
order
to
try
to
get
the
new
animal
shelter
open
in
a
fairly
timely
fashion,
which
is
part
of
what
cook
county
has
been
pushing
next
slide,
and
so
I
just
really
want
to
reiterate
that
we
are
willing
to
sort
of
move
forward,
as
whatever
the
committee
and
the
city
council
end
up
as
deciding
the
best
way.
But
the
reason
we
did
come
back
is
because
the
change
in
financial
circumstances
means
that.
H
However,
we
move
forward,
it
will
be
a
different
funding,
commitment
and
potentially
a
different
project,
and
so
we
just
feel
that,
and
it
was
important
to
make
sure
that
we
were
doing
it
in
a
thoughtful
way.
That's
why
we're
here
is
really
just
to
get
the
feedback
on
on
how
the
committee
would
like
to
see
us
take
our
next
steps
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
H
A
You
laura
memphis.
F
So
for
those
of
you
who
saw
the
video,
did
everybody
look
at
that
video
it
was
that
was
sent
out
via
email?
Maybe
it
was
just
me
it
was
wonderful.
So
thank
you
vicky.
I
mean
that
was.
It
was
really
wonderful
and-
and
I
mean
just
looking
around
town
these
days,
it
seems
to
me
that
in
my
neighborhood
everybody
has
a
dog.
Suddenly
there
are
just
dogs
everywhere.
G
F
And
this
is,
you
know,
this
is
one
of
the
ways
that
I
think
people
have
worked
really
hard
to
relieve
a
lot
of
the
stress,
and
you
know
for
those
folks
who
were
working
in
the
loop
and
who
are
now
working
remotely
at
home.
It's
given
them
the
opportunity
to
have
a
dog
or
a
cat
when
before
they
might
not
have
had
a
chance
to
do
that.
But
I
I
continue
to
be
just
so
incredibly
thankful
and
impressed
with
the
work
of
the
shelter
volunteers.
F
While
we
went
through
hell
to
get
it
organized
like
that,
and
here
we
are,
and
you
guys
have
exceeded
at
least
my
expectations.
I
mean
a
thousand
fold
and
just.
F
Amazing,
so
thank
you
for
that
now.
The
questions
that
I
have
are
lara,
I'm
not
one
who
ever
wants
to
throw
good
money
after
bad
and
I'm
not
sure
how
in
the
world
we
fix
up
the
shelter
and
make
it
handicapped
accessible
and
put
all
this
new
stuff
in
and
make
it
into
a
building
that
still
has
limitations.
F
So
I'm
I'm
kind
of
worried
about
that.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
do
something
and
if
that's
all,
we
can
do
certainly
that's
better
than
nothing.
My
inclination-
and
I
can't-
and
I
respect
the
fact
that
you
know
your
your
your
folks.
You
know
the
people
who
are
out
there
and
you've
been
really
really
good
at
fundraising
and
kind
of
knowing
the
the
availability
of
funds
from
folks.
But
I'm
wondering
can
we
can
we
expand
on
that?
F
Can
we
is
there
any
way
any
grants
were
missing,
any
it's,
not
george
soros.
Who
is
it?
Who
who
does
the
animal?
It's
not
george
soros.
It's
somebody
else
who
has
maddie's
maddie's.
I'm
sorry.
F
Oh,
we
need
to
know
that
person,
because
there's
there
is
a
lot
of
money
there.
So
I
I
guess
what
I
I'd
like
is
I'd
like
us
to
move
forward
and
talk
with
talk
with
cook
county,
but
but
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
see,
if
we
can
do
this
in
kind
of
a
quick
way
to
see
what
other
brainstorming
opportunities
there
might
be
for
private
fundraising,
I
mean:
can
we
name
the
animal
shelter
after
someone?
Can
we
and
it's
not
george
soros,
it's
the
other
guy?
F
What's
what's
his
name
all
the
money
anyway,
I
I
at
the
very
least
I
I
would
like
to
do
something
we
really
have
to
do
something.
You
cannot
continue
to
operate
the
shelter
in
the
in
the
way
that
it
is
now
I've
been
over
there
enough
that
you.
F
And
I
think
for
a
small
amount
of
money,
weak
you're,
not
small,
but
a
sort
of
compromised
position
would
be
certainly
better
than
nothing.
But
I
I
would
like
to
see
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
reach
the
six
thousand
dollars
with
more
private,
fundraising
and
I'd
be
happy
to
help
with
that.
C
So
from
reading
both
the
memo
back
in
february
and
then
this
current
memo
it's,
it
seemed
to
me
that
just
just
doing
the
the
smaller
remodeled
project
would
still
not
really
give
any
additional
capacity,
and
yet
we're
talking
about
taking
in
another
150
animals
from
cook
county.
C
So
I
I
am,
I
guess
I
agree
with
alderman
fisk
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
could
look
for
a
way
to
do
the
you
know
the
the
kind
of
project
that
the
shelter
really
deserves
and
and
this
army
of
volunteers
that
you've
put
together,
I
mean
it's,
it's
really
a
very
impressive
story
of
what
what
all
of
you
have
been
doing
been
doing
to
take
care
of
the
animals
in
our
community,
broadly
speaking,
but
also,
as
you've
pointed
out
now,
really
helping
our
residents
cope
with
the
current
current
situation.
C
So
I
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
grant
money
there
might
be
out
there
or
how
would
move
ahead
anyway.
My
thoughts.
A
F
On
my
business
yeah,
we
have
an
animal
welfare
board
meeting.
I
think
next
week,
I'd
like
to
do
have
a
conversation
at
the
animal
welfare
board
yeah,
I'm
I'm
looking
for
maddie's
fun,
but
there's
an
another
another
one
too.
Besides
maddie's
fun,
who
has
been
giving
money,
I
think
300
million
dollars
for
kovid
and
and
animal
shelter
improvements.
F
So
I
mean
that's
just
one
thing
so
I'd
like
to
discuss
this
at
the
animal
welfare
board
meeting
I'd
also
like
to
sit
down
with
vicki
and
the
and
the
board
to
kind
of
talk
about
where
we
might
go
with
it.
I
don't
know
laura
you
need
to
you
need
to
tell
us.
I
mean
again
I'm
going
back
to
the
throwing
good
money
after
bad,
and
you
know
I
don't.
O
H
Sure
cook
county
is
understandably
pretty
antsy
because
they
notified
us
in
may
about
this
grant
and
we
haven't
really
given
them
a
final
answer.
So
they
are
pushing
us
to
make
a
decision
to
move
forward.
H
H
Okay,
vicky
has
done
an
amazing
job
at
housing,
animals
through
foster,
which
is
way
better
for
the
animals,
and
there
are
times
when
the
animals
first
come
in
and
they're
being
evaluated
or
if
they
have
severe
behavioral
or
health
care
needs.
They
do
need
a
place
to
stay
and
they
need
to
come
back
once
the
pandemic's
over.
They
need
a
place
to
come
back,
so
people
can
come
adopt
them,
but
in
between
we
hopefully
don't
have
animals
in
significant
numbers
on
site.
So.
O
O
Can
we
you
know,
take
the
pet
for
a
month
while
you
find
a
new
home
or
whatever
we
have
seen
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
surrenders
this
year
now
this
is
a
year
where
you
would
think
surrenders
would
be
sky
high
right
because
people
are
struggling,
but
we've
actually
seen
one
about
33
percent
less
in
surrenders
in
2020
than
we
saw
in
the
first
nine
months
of
2019.
O
So
I
think
that
part
of
it
is,
as
we
enhance
the
social
services
programs
and
focus
our
efforts
in
those
directions
it.
It
makes
the
number
within
the
shelter
way
more
manageable
and
it's
a
win-win
on
both
sides.
Right
less
animals
are
coming
in,
because
people
get
to
keep
them
and
less
animals
are
in
the
shelter
because
you
know
they're
they're
still
in
their
home.
So
I
think,
that's
also
a
fact
in
managing
the
number
of
animals
in
the
shelter.
O
The
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
the
4.5
million
does
get
expansion
of
the
building.
It's
not
just
remodeling
the
old
building.
If
there's
an
expansion
right-
and
I
think
that
yes,
so
so
it
is,
you
know
like
better
space
for
the
animals,
even
if
it
isn't
necessarily
more
capacity.
It's
better
space.
They
have
more
room
per
animal.
You
know
we
have
some
other
amenities
that
they
don't
have
now,
so
it's
not
just
duty
taking
the
old
building
and
making
it
ada
compliant
or
something
there's
more
to
it
than
that.
A
We're
moving
into
the
8
30
hour.
We
have
a
couple
more
things,
I
think
honorary
fist's
suggestion
was
great
to
take
this,
the
animal
welfare
board.
I
mean
they're
working
on
this
issue
all
the
time.
I
just
be
mindful
of
the
time
line
that
the
county
has
given
us
so
that
we
don't
miss
the
money
that
the
county
has
offered
while
we're
making
maybe
an
additional
plan
for
funds.
I
I
totally
support
looking
for
outside
funds.
A
I
don't
think
that
we
can
go
past
what
we've
already
committed
as
a
city,
given
our
budget
deficit,
you
know
with
our
budget
constraints
this
year,
but
I
do
think
it's
worth
having
an
animal
welfare
for
time.
In
case
they
have
some
other
resources.
We
don't
know
about
auto
memphis.
Did
you
have
one
more
comment?
A
F
Okay,
I
just
wanted
either
vicky
or
lara
to
just
briefly
explain
why
we
didn't
get
the
money
that
we
were
looking
for.
I
don't
want
anyone
to
look
at
that
as
a
negative.
It
was
actually
going
to
the
way
cook
county
divides
up
things.
These
are
not
animals
necessarily
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
coming
from
chicago.
These
are
animals
found
in
cooke
county.
These.
F
That
are
dumped
in
the
forest
preserves
or
on
county
property,
or
you
know
chicago
has
its
own
animal
care
and
control,
so
we're
not
taking
animals
from
there.
We
are
taking
animals
from
cook
county
that
have
been
abandoned
and
dumped.
Basically,
so
that
happens
a
little
bit
more
in
the
south,
suburban
area
than
it
does
in
the
north,
suburban
area.
F
Again,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
correct
and
that's
why
it
was
a
little
bit
disproportionate
between
the
money
that
we
received
here
in
evanston,
as
opposed
to
the
money
that
was
that
was
given
to
a
larger
shelter
in
the
in
the
south
suburbs.
So
again,.
O
Correct
the
shelter
in
the
south
suburbs
took
in
3743
animals
last
year
and
we
took
in
450.
Now
I
don't
know,
if
that's
an
exact,
you
know
that's
how
the
cook
county
animals
can
be
divided
up
proportionately,
but
it
shows
how
much
larger
they
they
are
and
they
will
take
in
a
larger
percentage
of
the
animals
than
we
will.
F
So
we
do
want
to
thank
thank
a
cook
county
commissioner
suffered
a
before
because
that's
great
yeah.
A
H
G
H
And
we
can
then
follow,
you
know,
see
what's
happening
at
animal
welfare
board
and
maybe
get
direction
at
the
next
human
services
meeting.
I
would
think
that
would
be
adequate
time
to
then
move
forward
with
the
hiring
consultant
rfp
after
that.
F
Okay,
because
I
think,
if,
if
we're
pretty
much
agreed
that
we're
we're
going
to
do
something,
we're
not
going
to
give
the
money
back
to
the
county,
we
want
to,
we
want
to
keep
the
money
and
that
we're
going
to
do
something.
That's
the
that's
a
minimum
of
what
we're
going
to
do,
and
we
can
certainly
add
on
to
that.
If
we
file
find
a
you
know,
a
strong
box
of
gold,
a
bullion
somewhere
and
again,
can
make
it.
You
know,
go
for
the
whole,
the
whole
thing.
F
So
I
guess
I
would
recommend
to
the
committee,
madam
chair,
that
we
allow
laravel
to
at
least
start
the
preliminary
conversation
and
take
it
from
there.
So
we'll
be
back
what
the
human
services
then,
at
the
next
meeting,
kind
of,
as
as
an.
H
A
Moving
forward
with
the
downscaled
project
at
this
point,
until
we
figure
out
there's
more
gold
bouillons
out
there
as
ottoman
fists.
A
F
A
All
right
so
hsc,
thank
you.
Yeah
hsc
is
a
discussion
of
the
city,
I
mean
excuse
me:
evanston
police
department,
social
media
policy
staff
recommends
reviewing
to
discuss
their
social
media
policy.
This
is
also
just
for
discussion,
and
I
will
just
chime
in
that.
I
think
I
asked
for
this
to
be
on
the
agenda
whenever
it
was.
If
you
all
remember
the
news
story
that
came
out
well,
as
ms
esther
said,
this
was
brought
up
back
in
february
or
march.
A
I
think,
but
then
there
was
a
news
story,
maybe
last
month
or
so
about
an
officer
and
some
comments
that
they
had
made
on
social
media,
and
I
thought
we
should
in
the
day
and
age
of
social
media
we
needed
to
really
make
sure
our
policies
were
up
to
date
and
enforceable,
and
so
we're
here
to
give
a
kind
of
update
on
this.
A
M
I'm
here
for
questions,
I
was
informed
by
staff
to
the
committee
that
you
wanted
to
have
these
policies
placed
on
the
agenda
for
discussion.
M
So
the
policies
that
you
see
are
two
lexical
policies
that
the
police
department
has
governs
social
media
and
police
speech
and
expressions
and
then
also
the
city's
I.t
policy
and
I
believe,
starting
on
page
11
of
the
I.t
policy
covers
or
the
city
rules
regarding
social
media
for
city
of
evanston
employees.
So
I'm
happy
to
fail
any
questions
regarding
the
subject.
A
The
committee
members
have
questions.
I
guess
I
will
ask
the
question
because,
as
I
said,
it
was
just
in
the
newspaper
last
month
or
so.
So
if
an
officer
is
on
duty,
I
would
imagine
we
have
a
different
policy
versus
when
they're
you
know
in
their
own
personal
space,
and
I
can't
remember
the
particulars
of
that
that
article
that
was
on
you
know
that
was
to
talk
about
this.
But
if
an
officer
is
on
duty,
can
you
just
explain
to
us
what
the
social
media
policy
is.
A
What
is
our
policy
for
their
social
media
use
and
not
that
they
can't
be
on
it,
but
what
they're
posting
in
reference
to
their
workplace?
I
guess
I'll
be
more
specific.
M
Right,
so,
if,
if
an
officer
is
is
on
duty
using,
let's
say
city's
equipment,
it
really
shouldn't
be
at
all
posting
to
any
of
their
personal
social,
social
media
pages.
M
The
both
the
city,
I.t
policy
and
the
evanston
police
lecture
policy
has
guidelines
that
governs
what
an
officer
can
do
on
end
off
duty.
An
officer
especially
shouldn't
be
posting
to
any
anyone
else's
page
with
any
derogatory
content
or
any
derogatory
statements
to
anyone's
personal
social
media
page
while
on
duty
any
of
these
actions
over
social
media,
whether
it's
derogatory
language,
anything,
that's
inflammatory,
inciting
an
argument
so
to
speak,
while
on
duty
is
governed
by
the
prohibited
conduct.
M
A
A
How
is
that
something
that
is
a
disciplinary
action
by
us,
there's
there's
employer
right,
I
mean
I
understand,
people
have
the
right
to
first
amendment
and
I'm
not
trying
to
squash
it,
I'm
speaking
of
when
you
are
making
comments
regarding
your
employer,
even
if
you're
off
duty-
and
I
see
mr
cummings
is
coming
on
here-
to
help
us
out
as
well.
M
Yeah-
and
I
greatly
appreciate
it,
but
as
far
as
off
duty,
the
officer
is
still
entitled
to
their
first
momentum
right
of
free
speech
or
free
expression.
So
if
they
are
not
representing
the
city
and
doesn't
have
anything
that
or
doesn't
post
anything,
that
would
lead
someone
to
believe
that
they
are
representing
the
city
of
the
police
department.
They
do
have
those
rights
to
that
freedom
of
expression.
M
M
Their
free
speech,
and
even
if
they're
off
duty,
the
policy
states
that
statements
that
indicate
disregard
for
law
or
state
or
u.s
constitutions
prohibited
expressions
that
demonstrate
support
for
criminal
activity
is
prohibited
and
participated
in
any
sexually
explicit
photographs,
videos,
compensation
or
distribution.
So
those
three
things
whether
on
or
off
duty
according
to
our
policy
is
prohibited.
So
any
expressions
in
regards
to
violating
the
law
of
criminal
activity,
we
can.
M
Impose
some
some
discipline
open
up
an
investigation,
but
just
general
free
general
expressions
about
their
personal
opinions.
It's
not
really
something
that
we
can
can
govern
and
unless
there's
a
clear
violation
of
those
three
things:
okay,.
G
D
There's
one
caveat
to
that
and
that's
matters
of
public
concern
that
are
related
to
your
job
so
and
that
that
goes
for
all
government
officials,
whether
they
be
all
the
persons
myself
as
the
deputy
city
attorney
police
officers,
fire
people.
If
it's
a
matter
of
holy
concern,
it's
related
to
your
role.
You
don't
really
have
any.
First
amendment
rights.
A
And
what
you,
what
the
person
have
to
say,
you
know
so
like
for
me,
but
I
have
to
say
you
know
as
an
alderman
of
the
city
of
evanston
whatever
or
if
I
just
said
in
my
own
personal.
You
know
facebook
page,
you
know
blah
blah
blah.
I
hate
that
versus.
If
I
said
as
an
alderman
of
the
city
of
edmonton,
I
hate
this
place.
Would
it
make
a
difference
and
I'm
getting
down
to
these
technicalities
because
I've?
A
You
know
some
screenshots
have
been
brought
to
my
attention
where
we
have
officers
who
have
engaged
in
you
know
back
and
forth
or
giving
comments
on
pages
that
were
really
you
know.
Maybe
these
people
might
perceive
that,
are
you
know,
anti-police
or
advocating
against
police
or
whatever
they're
doing
where
officers
have
engaged
in
conversation?
Now
they
haven't
said
I'm
an
officer
or
they
haven't.
I
don't
know
if
they're
on
duty,
but
I
would
imagine
it
puts
us
in
that
space
where
it
gets
to
be
a
little
bit
dicey.
D
Well,
really,
it
really
depends
upon
you
know,
as
elected
officials,
you
guys
are
known
as
representatives
in
the
city,
so
it
doesn't
really.
You
know
it's
just
a
little
slippery
slope
when
it
comes
to
things
that
you
might
put
on
your
personal
page
and
the
same
thing
can
be
said
for
police
officers
that
may
be
known
in
the
community,
and
you
know
for
anybody
that
works
for
the
city.
D
A
M
There
it
will
be
different,
you
know
if,
if
I'm
the
recipient
of
it-
and
I
know
this
person
to
be
a
a
member
of
the
police
department-
some
cases
depending
on
what
that
conduct
was-
I
may
be
able
to
file
a
complaint
against
that
police
officer.
But
if
I'm
not
the
recipient
of
it,
it's
just
something
that
I
observed
on
social
media,
and
I
know
that
person
to
be
a
member
of
the
police
department.
You
can
still
bring
that
to
the
police
department's
attention
and
we'll
investigate
it.
M
It
won't
be
the
same
as
a
a
citizen
complaint
because
there's
no
affidavit
to
file
out
but
like
in
the
case
that
you're
speaking
of
that
could
be
brought
to
our
attention
and
we
can
do
an
administrative
review
or
an
internal
investigation.
A
I
guess,
accept
and
place
on
file,
which
is
an
announcement
that
on
this
committee
has
appointed,
and
the
council
has
approved
the
alternative
emergency
response
program
subcommittee.
Just
so,
the
public
is
aware
that
subcommittee
will
involve
myself.
Ottoman
reveal
james
barnett,
who
is
the
outreach
manager
at
connections.
A
Patty
may
kappelwich
a
couch
she's,
an
executive
director
at
impact
behavioral
health,
marie
mcdonald
who's,
the
executive
director
of
peer
services,
kristin
canard,
who's,
the
director
of
social
work
at
moran
center
and
evangelique
cmark
who's,
a
community
member
with
lived
experience.
We
also
have
one
more
community
member
with
lived
experience,
we'll
have
to
get
appointed
at
the
next
council
member
I
mean
meeting.
The
first
meeting
has
not
been
scheduled,
but
it
will
be
scheduled
very
soon.
A
There
will
be
a
website
with
all
of
our
other
committees
on
the
count
city's
website,
and
so
those
who
are
interested
can
follow
along
and
then
the
committee
will
report
back
to
human
services.
Once
we
have
something
to
report
back
all
right.
Are
there
any
items
for,
let's
see,
have
we
done
here
any
items
for
communication
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna
move
that
we
adjourn
the
human
services
meeting
can
have
a
second
second.
We
need
a
roll
call
for
that,
one.