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A
B
A
D
Okay
alderman,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes?
Yes,
thanks
bell:
aye
morgan
fleming
hi,
I'm
fisk.
I
on
the
birthplate.
C
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
our
first
order
of
business
is
public
comment
and
per
our
council
rules
for
standing
committee.
Member
for
standing
committees
provides
that
each
speaker
shall
have
up
to
two
minutes
for
comments,
and
we
have
about
nine
nine
speakers
ready
to
talk
to
us
this
evening.
So
first
mike.
A
E
Okay,
so
I'll
ask
again:
where
is
there
any
evidence
that
evanson
the
evanston
police
department
committed
any
questionable
act
of
violence
towards
evanston
residents
like
the
deaths?
What
I
would
call
the
murders
in
baltimore
atlanta,
chicago
kenosha
minneapolis,
the
evanston
police
department
are
head
and
shoulders
above
any
of
these
other
police
departments.
E
The
last
presentation
I
saw
was
at
the
second
ward
meeting
with
ultimate
braithwaite,
where
group
presented,
and
they
stated
at
that
time
that
they
want
the
funding
initially
and
later
to
abolish
the
evanston
police
department.
E
So
if
evanson
is
going
to
consider
this,
then
we
need
a
referendum
and
the
referendum
would
need
to
present
all
of
the
facts
that
deal
with
what
some
claim
or
some
kind
of
savings,
which
I
don't
think
were
there
gonna
be
any
savings
either
way
it
needs
to
be
a
referendum
by
the
city
in
its
entirety.
E
E
Chief
cook
should
be
commended
for
the
comprehensive
epd
update
in
the
packet.
My
only
question
is:
when
will
comparable
budget
discussion
memos
be
forthcoming
from
all
other
city
departments?
E
E
Lastly,
I
don't
agree
with.
There
was
some
mention
of
a
500.
There
was
some
mention
of
giving
police
or
crisis
intervention
staff
discretion
to
waive
crimes
for
stealing
up
to
five
hundred
dollars.
E
I
mean
I,
I
don't
agree
with
that,
and
if
it
is
something
where
some
people
are
going
to
be
excused
from
stealing
up
to
five
hundred
dollars,
then
I
think
everybody
should
be
excused
from
that
crime.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
mike
betsy.
That's
awesome.
F
Thank
you,
chairman
chairwoman,
revell.
I
appreciate
all
of
your
efforts
and
I
know
that
the
committee
has
been
working
hard
on
this
and
I'd
like
to
thank
you
all
again
for
all
of
the
time
and
diligence
you've
spent
on
this
issue.
I
did
want
to
address
a
couple
comments
from
the
end
of
the
last
committee
meeting,
one
concerned
some
anxiety
on
the
speed
at
which
we're
moving.
F
I
hope
that
I'm
sure
that
you
all
have
already
read
the
evanston
fights
for
black
lives
report,
and
I
I
hope
that
you
also
found
some
comfort
in
the
diligence
and
details
that
they
provide.
I
think
it
provides
the
committee
and
the
council
a
fantastic
blueprint
for
going
forward
in
at
a
speed
that
reflects
the
urgency
of
the
situation.
I
think
they
also
did
a
great
job
of
addressing
the
need
for
significant
reimagination
of
the
way
we
ensure
public
safety.
F
F
I'm
sure
you
all
have
also
heard
chief
cook
say
over
and
over
again
that
the
evanston
police
department
follows
the
mandate
that
it's
given
by
the
people
of
evanston,
and
I
think,
one
of
the
points
of
this
process,
one
of
the
underlying
impetuses
for
this
process
is
that
we're
simply
asking
the
police
to
do
far
too
much
and,
as
chief
cook
points
out,
if
we
reduce
their
mandate,
they
have
to
do
less.
F
They
need
fewer
resources,
we've
seen
you
know,
for
instance,
my
daughter
was
out
past
curfew
last
week
and
was
I
got
a
phone
call
from
the
police
and
had
a
conversation
with
them
about
how
they're
spending
their
time
enforcing
curfew
for
teenagers,
and
we
all
agree
that?
That's
not
what
we
want
our
police
budget
to
go
for,
that
there
are
ways
to
provide
for
safety
and
the
safety
of
my
children
and
our
communities,
children
that
don't
involve
the
police.
F
We
talked
about
other.
We
have,
as
a
group
talk
about
other
aspects
of
the
police
department's
current
responsibility
that
simply
don't
need
to
be
there
things
like
insurance
reports
for
the
benefit
of
insurance
companies.
Things
like
a
large
portion
of
traffic
enforcement
doesn't
need
to
take
place
from
these
things
like
animal
control,
there's
all
sorts
of
lower
level
tasks
that
can
simply
be
taken
off
chief
cook's
plate
and
the
money
that's
used
to
perform.
Those
tasks
can
be
used
more
efficiently
in
other
entities.
F
I
also
wanted
to
point
in
to
point
out,
in
response
to
mr
valesko's,
the
silcos.
I'm
sorry
comments
that
you
know.
We
also
heard
from
social
workers
I'm
thinking
particularly
of
the
social
worker,
who
works
for
the
moran
center,
who
has
an
extensive
experi
experience
in
the
criminal
law
system,
and
she
tells
us
that
this
is
a
job,
a
role
that
social
workers
are
equipped
to
take
that
they
don't
need
to
be
buddies
to
police
officers
that
they're
equipped
trained
and
experienced
in.
F
Crisis
intervention
situations
themselves,
so
I
thank
you
again
for
your
time
and
for
letting
me
speak
this
evening.
I
wanted
to
express
one
more
time
my
deep
admiration
for
the
work
that
evanston
fights
for
black
lives
has
done
in
producing
the
excellent
report,
and
I
hope
that
we
as
a
community
can
follow
their
recommendations.
A
Okay,
barbara
james.
I
Go
good
evening,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
defunding
the
police,
but
that,
as
we
know
in
anything
like
this,
the
devil
is
in
the
details
and
how
you
know:
do
we
just
defunding
the
police
and
cutting
their
budget
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense.
We've
got
to
have
the
many,
maybe
many.
Maybe
improvements
need
to
be
made,
but
that
needs
to
be
done
thoughtfully
and
thoroughly.
I
A
Thank
you
karen.
J
J
You
won't
be
able
to
accomplish
everything
that
might
be
done
in
a
single
upcoming
budget,
but
it's
extremely
important
that
you're
just
that
by
the
decisions
you
make.
You
strongly
signal
the
city
manager,
the
police,
chief
and
police
leadership
that
the
intention
of
the
city
is
to
make
structural
changes
that
will
bring
about
changes
in
how
individual
officers
are
held
accountable
for
the
unprofessional,
disrespectful,
racially
insensitive
or
worse.
J
J
I
think
it's
important
that
evanston
police
officers
are
fully
engaged
in
the
community
and
have
asked
for
several
years
now
how
we
can
incentivize
officers
for
living
in
evanston,
I've,
analyzed
salary
data
for
patrol
traffic,
detective
and
other
non-leadership
roles
of
police
officers.
For
the
last
two
years.
J
J
Also,
the
hilliard
heinz
study
is
comple
often
brought
up,
but
in
fact
that
study
was
narrowed
so
greatly,
and
so
much
of
the
analysis
was
done
by
the
police
department
for
budget
reasons
that
it
makes
the
usefulness
of
assessing
staffing
and
the
size
very
weak.
Indeed,
I
congratulate
the
chief
for
reducing
the
size
of
our
department
by
attrition
and
while
we're
on
this
topic,
I
hope
that
you
will
not
let
the
voices
of
privileged
white
members
of
our
community
and
their
perception
of
whether
policing
is
good,
bad
good
enough.
J
Sufficient
insufficient
outweigh
the
important
voices
of
people
in
the
marginalized
communities
who
tell
us-
and
we
know
from
data
that
they
are
arrested.
More
often,
they
are
traffic
stopped
more
often
they
are
searched
more
often
and
they
are
on
the
receiving
end
of
use
of
force.
More
often,
eighty
percent
of
use
of
force
is
against
black
people
in
evanston.
A
Thank
you,
karen
darlene
cannon
is
next.
D
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you.
Jacob
blake
was
shot
seven
times
in
the
back,
while
walking
away
from
the
police.
His
three
children
were
in
the
car
and
witnessed
the
entire
ordeal
what
his
children,
witness
will
be,
will
traumatize
them
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
Black
folks
are
tired
of
the
violence
that
is
being
brought
on
by
on
to
black
bodies
by
the
police.
D
Black
lives
do
matter
and
deserve
to
be
respected,
and
we
deserve
to
live,
but
more
more
than
that,
we
need
justice
for
every
black
man
and
woman
that
has
suffered
bled
and
died
at
the
hands
of
racist
cops
and
those
who
do
not
value
our
lives.
We
need
justice
and
we
want
it
now.
Justice
in
everson
comes
in
the
form
of
reallocating
your
funds.
You
keep
touting
the
equity
lens
model,
while
you,
as
a
council,
spend
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
trades.
D
It's
about
standing
up
for
what
is
morally
right
and
addressing
the
needs
of
this
community
and
its
most
vulnerable
residents.
When
young
adults
protest
outside
epd
and
use
top
chalk
that
washes
away
with
water,
they
shouldn't
be
threatened
with
arrest.
Nor
should
a
black
woman
be
asked
by
a
black
officer.
Where
are
your
black
friends?
Black
dogs?
Don't
didn't
create
this
oppressive
violent
system?
White
folks
did.
Therefore,
whites
are
the
ones
who
are
given
the
task
of
dismantling
it.
D
You
as
an
you,
as
an
officer
don't
get
to
choose,
who
gets
to
show
up
to
protest,
we're
demanding
that
the
funding
of
all
oppressive
regimes,
including
the
everson
police
department,
justice,
cannot
wait.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
carla.
A
A
All
righty
we'll
go
ahead,
then
sean
peck,
collier.
L
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
yeah
awesome.
Thank
you
good
evening,
older
people
of
the
human
services
committee.
Before
anything
else,
I
want
to
give
condolences,
wishes
and
and
peace
to
jacob
blake's
family.
What
they've
gone
through
is
unforgivable,
and
I
want
to
take
a
moment
of
silence
for.
M
L
Okay
to
the
point
of
this
committee,
I
want
to
thank
alderman
woman,
fleming
and
alderwoman
revel
for
trying
to
make
last
week's
meeting
move
forward
in
a
productive
way,
alderman
braithwaite
last
meeting
I
saw
you
were
in
and
out
of
the
meeting.
Nevertheless,
you
did
not
speak
up.
I
hope
today
you
will
join
alderwoman
fleming
simmons
and
ravel
in
making
actual
progress
in
what
you,
as
a
committee,
have
been
tasked
to
do
and
according
to
grassroots
organizers
in
evanston
agreed
to
do.
L
I
want
to
mention
what
you
decide
today.
We
as
a
community
will
promise
to
hold
you
accountable,
elder
woman,
judy
fisk
in
the
last
two
meetings.
You
protested
that
you
have
a
lack
of
knowledge
of
what
your
constituents
in
the
first
ward
and
the
residents
of
evanston
mean
when
we
ask
for
the
police
to
be
defunded,
even
as
you
listen
to
the
potential
alternative
services
and
the
funds
would
go
to,
you
have
pretended
ignorance,
you
have
invoked
fear
and
continue
to
make
the
false
correlation
between
police
and
safety.
L
L
L
You
are
being
disingenuous.
More
than
a
month
ago,
evanston
fight
for
black
lives
reached
out
for
an
opportunity
to
discuss
the
matter
with
you.
You
never
responded
when
they
later
held
a
sit-in
during
a
council
meeting.
You
never
came
out
to
speak
with
them.
When
alder,
when
alderman
brave
white
was
gracious
enough
to
explain
in
detail
what
it
meant.
You
did
not
listen
when
your
own
first.
M
L
L
He
has
never
made
an
effort
to
repair
their
truck
there's
so
many
other
examples
of
violence
at
the
hands
of
evanston
police.
That
will
never
make
it
to
this
level
of
public
discourse,
and
it
is
the
purposeful
erasure
of
those
stories
which
ensures
that
violence
is
systemic
as
opposed
to
a
few
isolated
incidents.
L
Last
week
we
heard
from
many
non-profit
agencies
that
are
models
for
some
of
these
services.
Cahoots
is
another;
it
serves
both
oregon
cities
of
eugene
and
springfield,
and
yet
only
costs
two
million
dollars
between
the
two.
This
is
just
one
alternative
department,
and
each
year
it
saves
the
city
of
eugene
alone,
over
eight
million
dollars
and
over
15
addition,
15,
a
million
additional
dollars
in
ambulance
service
and
emergency
room
hospital
costs.
Creating
a
department
like
hoots
to
respond
to
mental
health
and
non-violent
crisis
calls
is
not
only
ethical.
It's
fiscally
responsible.
L
Everyone
can
agree
that
it's
the
alderman's
person,
the
older
person's
job
to
protect
and
amplify
the
voice
and
bodies
of
their
cons
joints.
It
is
the
council's
job
to
do
what
is
best
for
the
citizens
of
their
city.
Alderman
fisk,
you
aren't
doing
the
work
and
you
aren't
doing
your
job
if
you've
refused
to
get
tribute
in
a
positive
and
productive
way.
In
this
conversation
in
this
committee,
the
best
thing
you
can
do
for
the
city
is
to
get
out
of
the
way
for
people
who
are.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
N
It
would
mean,
for
example,
that
the
people
of
edison
could
decide
to
limit
the
scope
of
police
operation
to
addressing
conflict
and
harm.
It
could
reallocate
funds
outside
the
scope
of
the
under
resource
human
resource
and
other
city
department
to
implement
our
public
health
and
quality
of
life
to
improve
our
public
health
and
quality
of
life.
N
N
I
called
on
the
members
of
the
city
council
to
fully
fulfill
the
promise
of
the
june
2010
june,
the
10th
2019,
to
show
the
political
will
to
take
action,
and
I
also
would
like
to
say
I
want
to
thank
betsy
wilson
and
karen
cartwright
for
their
comments.
They
are
on
target
as
to
things
that
we
do
need
here
in
evanston.
K
Ultimate
ravel
mr
sutton,
has
joined.
A
O
Audio,
oh
there,
it
is
okay.
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
mainly,
I
just
want
to
reinforce
the
statements
that
have
been
made
previously
and
to
emphasize
the
need
in
this
community
for
an
independent
review
or
a
police
police
review
board,
as
explained
by
the
members
of
the
cnp
and
other
members
of
the
city.
Thank
you.
K
And
although
we
had
two
late
additions
to
public
speakers,
we
had
destroying
price
and
mr
adam
marcourt.
P
Okay,
oh
there.
I
am
sorry.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
I
submitted
mine
in
writing
and
thank
you
for
allowing
it.
P
I
was
like
a
little
bit
after
five
o'clock,
so
I'm
going
to
say
thank
you
for
that,
so
mine
has
to
do
with
reading
with
carlos
and
betty
and
others
have
said
about
the
speakers
before,
and
it
has
to
do
with
grassroots
efforts
and
the
ability
to
speak
with
the
marginalized
people
who
are
being
most
effective,
and
a
lot
of
us
are
very
much
removed
from
that,
and
I
think
lnru
and
what
this
committee
is
trying
to
do
is
understand
that
better
and
in
that
regard,
I
commend
you
in
terms
of
the
process.
P
Sometimes
it's
not
always
clear,
but
as
we
go
through
this
and
you
incorporate
what
the
citizens
are
telling
you,
I
think
you're
going
to
go
in
the
right
direction
in
terms
of
what
people
are
asking
and
what
they
need.
So
my
comment
was
with
regard
to
ss1
cambodia
question.
Rather,
can
both
the
city
and
pandemic
emergency
police
powers
be
included
for
oversight,
transparency
and
community
accountability
too?
P
Considering
what
chief
cook
was
saying,
which
was
was
a
a
very
thoughtful,
very
thoughtful
contribution
by
the
chief
that
I'm
I'm
commenting
on
and
with
regard
to
hs2
will
evanston
rethink
policing
to
increase
protection,
engagement
and
investment
in
vulnerable
residents,
yet
to
come
forward,
because
it's
hard
for
them
to
come
forward
regarding
larger
issues
of
health
and
well-being
in
terms
of
community
leaders
and
agencies
that
are
forward
thinking,
grassroots
efforts
and
grassroots
community
kinds
of
input
are
highly
valued
and
difficult
to
get
a
hold
of,
and
then
I
I
said,
can
shared
safety
that
us
get
us
there
faster
and
more
completely.
P
If
we
engage
grassroots
inputs
directly
now
and
then
the
five
blueprint.
And
then
I
give
the
references.
So
I
just
mentioned
the
five
blue
principles
summarized
and
excerpted
below
a
public
health.
Early
intervention
framework
b
is
well-being,
stability
and
affordable
housing,
and
I
bring
that
up
because
affordable
housing
is
one
of
the
stabilizing
factors
and
yet
one
of
the
most
stressful
factors.
P
If,
if
it's
a
problem
with
regard
to
timing,
housing
or
keeping
housing,
crime,
survivor,
insights
and
and
better
outcomes,
I
think
that's
huge,
because
if
you've
been
a
victim
of
a
crime,
crime
survivors
are
the
are
the
people
who
are
going
to
help
help
you
with
regard
to
the
insights
that
are
needed
for
better
decisions,
breaking
the
cycle
of
harm
for
critical
needs.
P
That
is
huge
and
then
the
last
one,
continuous
community
building
and
transparency
gets
back
to
what
betty
and
the
other
speakers
are
talking
to
you
about
the
importance
of
transparency
and
citizen
oversight.
Thank
you.
A
G
P
K
So
I'll
remember
about
it
sounds
like
adam
will
not
be
joining
or
speaking.
A
Right:
okay:
well,
maybe
he
can
speak
at
our
next
meeting
then.
So
let
me
just
comment
briefly
about
our
order
of
business
this
evening
on
our
agenda.
We're
changing
the
order
of
the
items
again,
and
so
first
we're
going
to
hear
about
the
shared
safety
framework,
which
can,
I
think,
give
us
a
good
blueprint
for
reimagining,
policing
and
public
safety
for
evanston.
A
Then
we'll
continue
with
our
discussion
of
alternative
emergency
response
system
to
determine
whether
we
want
to
recommend
that
to
be
included
in
the
2021
budget
that
we're
going
to
hear
about
from
our
legal
staff
about
issues
involved
in
reallocating
positions
away
from
the
police
department
and
also
an
update
from
chief
cook.
That's
been
in
our
packet,
so
alderman
fleming.
Can
I
ask
you
to
introduce
our
speakers
about
the
shared
safety
framework.
H
Sure
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
moving
them
earlier.
We
have
three
speakers
tonight
who
are
going
to
speak
to
us.
Give
us
a
very
brief
presentation
on
the
shared
safety
framework.
H
She
can
tell
you
her
story,
but
when
I
learned
about
it,
I
thought
it
was
very
interesting
and
applicable
to
our
group,
as
we
just
think
about
how
we
might
you
know,
reimagine
policing,
but
also
how
we
might
respond
to
911
calls,
but
then
who
we
need
to
be
listening
to
so
a
lot
of
people
have
talked
about.
H
You
know
grassroots
and
such,
but
I
think
there's
a
another
population
of
people
that
I
had
not
thought
about
that.
I
want
us
to
hear
from
so
evangeline
seymour
will
be
part
of
this
presentation
as
well
as
marissa.
I
think
it's
arona,
I'm
sorry.
If
I
pronounced
that
wrong
and
john
mackey
and
they
are
with
the
alliance
for
safety
and
justice,
so
they
have
a
couple
of
slides
and
then
we
can
have
a
discussion.
If
you
all
would
like.
Q
Okay,
can
you
all
hear
me?
Yes,
yeah?
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
the
members
of
this
committee
and
good
evening.
My
name
is
evangeline
seamark,
my
pronouns.
Are
she
her?
I'm
a
white
woman
who
has
lived
in
evanston's,
eighth
ward
for
16
years,
I'm
a
survivor
of
multiple
forms
of
violence,
many
of
which
were
never
reported.
Q
Q
Q
Survivors
know
that
our
experiences
and
insights
are
rarely
censored
in
discussions
about
criminal
justice
and
violence
prevention,
but
we
should
be
because
we
know
firsthand
what
it's
like
to
actually
face
and
recover
from
violence
since
jacquez
was
murdered.
I've
spent
many
of
my
sleepless
nights
wondering
why
someone
would
choose
to
take
my
son's
life.
Q
Q
The
lack
of
safety
in
evanston
is
a
public
health
issue,
not
a
policing
issue.
The
system
of
policing
could
not
have
prevented
my
son's
murder
and
it
could
not
have
prevented
the
other
unreported
violence.
I
have
experienced
survivors
understand
that,
in
order
to
break
the
cycle
of
harm,
we
must
re-envision
and
rethink
our
approaches
to
community
safety.
Q
Q
Survivors
seek
an
approach
to
safety
that
invests
in
prevention,
intervention
and
healing
our
communities
need
to
be
well
in
order
to
be
safe.
Survivors
want
safety
solutions
that
move
us
from
security
for
some
to
safety.
For
all
tonight,
you'll
hear
about
shared
safety,
which
is
a
survivor-centered
framework
that
can
help
us
move
to
a
vision
of
safety
for
all.
G
S
R
As
evangeline
said,
my
name
is
john
mackey,
I'm
the
local
and
state
government
best
practices,
director
alliance
for
safety
and
justice.
I
want
to
thank
all
the
members
for
letting
us
appear
before
you
and
all
the
residents
who
attended.
You
know
it's
whenever
I
get
to
do
this
sort
of
thing.
It's
always
I'm
always
heart
and
inspired
by
the
hard
work.
Folks,
like
you
are
doing,
you
know,
which
I
think
right
now,
there's
no
question.
R
You
know
that
we
find
ourselves
in
a
moment
of
great
peril,
great
pain,
but
I
think
at
the
same
time,
even
greater
promise,
and
really
you
know
I.
I
have
some
notes
here
written
down
about
what
I
want
to
say
to
you
all,
but
really
I
just
want
to
echo
what
evangeline
said
far
better
than
I
ever.
R
Could
you
know
we
have
a
system
of
of
of
justice
that
was
built
in
the
name
of
victims,
but
what
our
research
shows,
what
what
crime
survivors
like
evangeline
tell
us
is
that
it
does
not
always
help
victims
heal.
It
does
not
always
address
the
trauma
of
crime,
particularly
for
folks
who
are
most
harmed
and
of
who
also,
who
are
also
least
served.
R
My
organization,
the
alliance
for
safety
and
justice,
is
dedicated
to
reforming
the
justice
system
by
asking
what
do
victims
want,
what
do
victims
need
to
be
safe
and
also,
and
also
to
heal,
2017?
Actually,
this
is
the
slide.
Here
is
from
his
report.
R
We
did
a
survey
at
the
first
in
illinois
asking
crime
victims
what
what
they
thought
about
their
justice
system,
and
you
know
what
we
found
in
illinois
is
what
we
find
over
and
over
again
states
across
our
country
is
that
most
victims
of
crime,
you
know,
want
a
very
different
kind
of
response
than
what
our
current
system
provides.
They
want
a
system
that
does
not
over
rely
on
punishment
at
the
expense
of
prevention
and
services,
but
invests
in
those
in
those
sorts
of
things.
R
In
this
spirit,
we
we
recently
created
when
the
when
the
pandemic
began
the
illinois
coalition
for
shared
safety.
This
is
a
coalition,
that's
in
many
ways
unprecedented.
It
has
traditional
leaders
in
victim
services
like
the
illinois
coalition
against
domestic
violence,
illinois
culture
against
sexual
assault,
but
also
street
violence
prevention,
re-entry
providers.
R
We
know
that
there's
something
not
quite
right
about
our
current
system.
You
know,
there's
many
good
parts
about
it.
It
does
lots
and
lots
of
good
work,
but
it
needs
a
new
vision.
It
needs
a
new
framework
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
talk
to
you
today
about
you
know,
as
evangeline
said,
to
help
illinois
and
and
cities
throughout
illinois
move
from
a
system
that
prioritizes
the
security
of
some
and
moves
towards
the
system
that
lifts
up
the
safety
of
all.
R
I
believe
evanson
can
be
a
real
leader
here,
both
in
illinois
and
also
nationally.
You
have
a
great
history,
you're
known
for
your
progressive
politics.
You
know,
I
think
this
this
town,
this
this
committee
is
a
great
example
of
this
and
the
vigorous
debate
we
had
to
start
it.
So
I'm
excited
for
this
conversation
and
let
me
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague.
Marissa
who's
worked
with
local
jurisdictions,
like
cities
like
evanston
across
the
country
and
she'll
talk
about
her
work,
versa,.
S
Thank
you,
john.
I
I
also
just
want
to
thank
the
committee
members,
alderwoman
fleming,
for
this
invitation
and
everyone
who
gave
public
comments
at
the
beginning.
It's
it's
such
a
important,
critical
conversation,
always
especially
in
these
times.
There's
rich,
rich
content.
Here,
let
me
see
if
I
can
give
you
a
very
quick,
two
or
three
minute
overview
of
shared
safety.
Acknowledging
this
will
hopefully
be
a
continuing
conversation
with
all
of
you
in
smaller
groups.
One-On-Ones,
you
know,
whatever
the
committee
members
think
would
be
most
impactful
at
its
core.
Shared
safety
is
a
framework.
S
It's
not
a
program,
it's
not
an
initiative,
it's
not
something
that
outsiders
bring
into
a
community
like
evanston
and
people,
say:
oh
no,
another
blueprint
to
fund
another
program,
another
initiative,
another
pilot
right,
you
pilot
something,
and
it's
never
going
to
get
scaled
up.
Shared
safety
is
a
framework
that
came
out
of
all
of
the
conversations
we've
had
across
the
country
with
survivors
law
enforcement,
probation
chiefs,
elected
officials
and
everyone
agreeing
and
I've
heard
this
from.
S
I
think
every
law
enforcement
officer
I've
worked
with
across
the
country
law
enforcement
has
been
forced
to
become
the
first
responder
to
the
failures
of
all
the
systems
that
came
before
us,
the
the
tough
on
prime
era,
the
80s
and
90s,
and
there
was
when
prison
and
jail
budgets
got
really
bloated
in
government
budgets.
S
The
over-reliance
on
one
system,
the
overspending
on
one
system
really
resulted
in
defunding,
critical
prevention
and
intervention,
and
health
and
well-being
systems,
and
so
violence
and
trauma
and
chronic
violence
and
trauma
are
really
now
symptoms
of
decades
of
defunding
education,
safe
parks,
prenatal
care
for
at-risk
young
women.
You
know
helping
our
most
vulnerable
populations
really
addressing
protective
factors,
instead
of
focusing
solely
on
criminogenic
factors,
scaling
up
and
looking
at
what
makes
people
safe.
How
do
we
get
more
of
that
right?
S
Instead
of
the
traditional
system,
we
have
to
wait
until
crime
and
harm
happens,
and
then
we
kind
of
just
kind
of
figure
out
what
punishment
to
dole
out
to
the
person
who
caused
the
harm
according
to
a
penal
code
that
is
in
a
book
somewhere
developed
by
someone
else
that
hasn't
been
impacted
by
that
kind
of
harm.
And
what
we've
heard
from
survivors
you
saw.
S
We
have
links
to
the
reports
that
we
can
share
the
punishment-centric
model,
over-spending
on
corrections
at
the
exclusion
of
prevention
and
well-being
that
rarely
results
in
accountability
to
the
person
who
caused
the
harm
and
healing
or
justice
to
the
to
the
person
who
was
harmed.
And
so
we
did
this
research.
For
a
couple
of
years.
S
Some
of
our
biggest
allies
individuals
who
contributed
to
this
body
of
work
include
law
enforcement,
police
chiefs,
working
with
survivors
working
with
departments
of
public
health,
working
with
the
heads
of
behavioral
health,
health
and
human
services,
and
I
think
anyone
who's
worked
in
government
and
I've
certainly
worked
in
a
lot
of
government.
I
think
everyone
would
agree.
S
There
are
some,
if
not
many
silos,
and
there
are
many
great
people
doing
a
lot
of
great
work
and
through
the
work
of
the
way
systems,
are
set
up,
innovative
work,
it's
really
hard
to
scale
up
and
make
those
connections
shared
safety
doesn't
come
in
and
put
the
blame
on
anyone.
It
really
is
an
overlay.
S
You
can
use
to
identify
all
of
the
great
stuff
that
might
already
be
happening
in
your
community,
really
taking
a
crime,
survivor,
centered
approach
to
amplify
those
voices,
and
when
you
do
that,
you
start
having
a
different
kind
of
conversation
and
you
define
you
have
to
shift
to
a
public
health
frame
and
then
the
definition
of
safety
isn't
the
absence
of
crime.
It's
the
presence
of
well-being
and
traditional
systems,
measure
safety
in
terms
of
arrest
rates
and
crime
rates.
S
But
if
much
of
crime
is
not
reported,
what
does
that
really
tell
us
about
how
safe
we
are?
What
does
that
tell
us
about
who's
most
vulnerable?
There
are
other
things
we
need
to
measure.
There's
a
lot
to
unpack
there.
We're
just
going
to
you
know,
plant
the
seed
here
continue
the
conversation
we
do
want
to
make
a
note
that
the
definition,
the
shirt
safety
definition
of
survivors
this
might
be
cut
off
on
your
screen
with
the
video,
but
we'll
send
everyone.
S
The
powerpoint
crime
survivors
are
anyone
who
has
been
directly
impacted
by
or
experienced
crime
or
violence
or
trauma
sexual
assault.
Survivors
childhood
sexual
assault
survivors
any
any
any
survivor
of
assault.
Their
crime
survivors
are
also
anyone
who
has
witnessed
crime
and
violence.
Family
members,
community
members
who
might
have
seen
something
happen,
people
who
might
live
in
violent
homes
that
are
experiencing
chronic
violence,
they've
had
their
daily
life
impacted
by
crime
and
violence.
One
would
say
in
this
time
of
the
pandemic,
all
of
us
are
enduring
chronic
trauma
on
a
daily
basis
from
the
news
right.
S
We
all
need
to
I'm
sort
of
center
survivor
voices
around
what
creates
safety
so
generally
the
most
harmed
and
the
least
helped
our
most
vulnerable
communities
are
survivors
who
are
not
integrated
at
a
decision
making
table
and
we're
going
to
shift
right
now.
If
we
can
to
questions
and
answers.
That
was
a
very
truncated
version
if
it
felt
disconnected
with
anyone.
We
want
to
continue
the
conversation.
S
Here's
one
sort
of
side-by-side
chart
that
sums
up
the
differences
between
a
traditional
approach
and
a
shared
safety
approach,
and
it
might
be
a
good
site
to
rest
on
while
we
get
some
q
a
if
the
committee
members
would
like
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
Well,
yeah,
thank
you
all
for
for
this
presentation.
Thank
you,
alderman
fleming,
for
making
the
connection
evangeline.
Thank
you
for
your
sharing
your
story.
You
know
very,
very
moving
story,
so
committee
members,
questions
and
comments
and
thoughts
about
how
we
might
make
use
of
this
framework
going
forward.
H
Yeah,
so
just
to
elaborate,
so
I
really
found
this
interesting
because,
obviously,
as
you
talk
about
defunding
or
imagining
or
whatever
words,
people
want
to
use
a
lot
of
the,
I
think
concern
opposed
to
that
comes
from
what
will
happen.
H
If
there's
a
violent
crime
right,
they
have
to
have
police
because
they
have
to
have
this
response
to
violent
crime,
and
I
think,
in
this
committee
at
least
we've
tried
to
be
very
clear
that
we
are
not
at
the
point
of
talking
about
abolishing
the
police,
we're
very
much
you
know
going
to
have
police,
but
we
also
understand
that
police
don't
need
to
respond
to
every
call
that
they
get
there's
another
response
we
can
look
at
so
so
this
you
know,
doesn't
really
focus
on
that
one
piece
that
we've
been
talking
about,
but
I
thought
for
our
bigger
thought
in
conversation,
this
was
really
impactful
to
me,
particularly
when
you
have
someone
who
has
survived.
H
Probably
what
I
would
think
is
the
worst
kind
of
crime
right
like
to
lost
to
lose
a
child
and
to
have
someone
experience
that
and
say.
I
don't
think
that
having
more
police
on
the
street
is
what
would
have
saved
my
child
right.
So
you
know
you.
I
think
we
assume
that
that
is
what
people
are
going
to
ask
for
and
that's
the
fear.
M
H
So
this
you
know
even
the
screen
that
they
have
here
I
mean-
and
chief
cook
has
mentioned
this
right
like
we
need
other
things,
and
so
the
defining
movement
is
really
talking
about
how
to
get
that
money
back
into
other
services.
That
can
keep
any
people
out
of
the
from
from
being
an
offender,
particularly
or
even
a
a
survivor.
But
I
I
would
love
for
us
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
we
can
use
this
in
our
next
step.
H
So
when
I
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
these
individuals,
they
talked
about
these
and
marisa.
H
So
I
would
really
love
for
us
to
hear
more
about
that,
maybe
and
think
through.
If
that
is
something
that
we
think
in
our
kind
of
next
steps
in
our
long-term
planning
could
be
worth
us
discussing
in
the
community,
because,
obviously
we
we
are
voted
in
by
the
citizens.
H
We
need
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say,
but
I
think
we
need
to
move
a
little
bit
past
this,
like
getting
rid
of
police,
which
makes
a
lot
of
people
fearful
into
what
do
we
want
in
our
community
to
be
safe,
and
I
think
this
for
me
made
a
lot
of
sense
and
to
to
understand
that
this
has,
you
know,
been
developed
by
survivors
of
crime
because
I
have
not,
you
know,
survived
such
traumatic
crime,
so
I
would
only
assume
what
that
person
needs
and
I
think,
as
government
we
realize
that
that
is
not
really
the
best
place
to
make
decisions
from.
H
So
we
don't
want
to
be
assuming
what
people
need.
We
want
to
be
hearing
from
them
and
then
incorporating
their
perspective
as
much
as
possible
into
these
changes.
We're
going
to
make.
So
if
you
can
just
marissa
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
visioning
space.
I
think
you
called
it.
S
Thank
you
so
much
elder
woman,
so
they're
called
visioning
safety
focus
groups.
We
started.
We
did
them
for
about
two
years
in
person.
Pre-Coveted
times
we
had
a
lot
of
lessons
learned.
We
did
groups
with
law
enforcement,
peer
groups,
elected
survivors,
business
owners,
a
mix
of
individuals,
youth
in
a
high
school
leadership
program,
youth
who
had
been
in
the
foster
system,
homeless,
individuals,
individuals
in
detention,
a
sheriff.
S
You
know
just
every
all
of
the
issues
that
are
coming
up
nowadays
and
shared
safety.
Does
it
in
a
way
that
we
can
reach
a
space
of
of
sort
of
shared
values,
and
when
we've
done
these
groups
now
we're
going
on
year?
Three
now
they're
virtual,
we
record
them
all.
We
get
common
themes
among
all
the
groups.
It
we've
had
a
a
group
of
men
in
detention
in
a
jail
and
the
same
answers
come
up.
The
same
themes
come
up
as
survivors.
S
You
know
women
survivors
of
assault,
and
that's
because
the
question
that
shared
safety
poses
starts
with,
and
it's
going
to
seem
awkward,
and
if
this
feels
awkward,
then
we're
doing
it
right.
It
starts
to
think
of
a
time
that
you
felt
safe.
S
Imagine
what
you
you're
sensory.
What
did
you
have
and
the
job
of
shared
safety
is
to
hear
from
survivors
business
owners.
Individuals
hear
those
personal
reflections
of
what
was
present
when
they
felt
safe
and
then
work
with
electeds
to
translate
that
into
advocacy
recommendations
based
on
survivor
needs
because
the
traditional
method
of
asking
community
members?
How
did
the
system
fail?
You
tell
us
how
to
fix
it.
How
should
we
do
it?
S
Not
only
re-traumatizes
many
people,
but
it
presumes
that
individuals
can
articulate
their
feelings
in
a
way
that
can
be
heard,
and
so,
when
you
ask
someone
tell
me
about
a
time
you
felt
safe
versus
what
do
we
need
for
safety
or
what
makes
you
feel
safe.
You
get
different
answers
and
you
start
from
a
place
of
shared
value
and
you'll
you'll
have
to
see
it
to
experience
it,
but
that
gets
us
to
conversations
that
touch
on
racial
injustice,
systemic
racism,
acknowledging
a
history
of
harm
to
black
bodies,
black
and
brown
bodies,
privileges.
S
It
gives
space
for
people
to
really
speak
where
they're
coming
from
without
having
to
feel
defensive
and
develop
a
way.
That's
that's
creating
safety.
So
we
start
with
peer
groups.
We
start
with
people
who
might
know
each
other
in
a
small
community,
so
we
create
a
safe
space.
We
do
multiple
groups
by
the
way.
This
is
in-kind,
technical
assistance.
This
is
our
job,
so
the
cities
do
not
pay
us
for
it.
We're
helping
you
do
this.
S
We
identify
themes
and
then
we
start
merging
groups
together
and
you'll,
get
sort
of
a
shared
safety
priority
or
guidelines
for
evanston
or
even
by
neighborhoods,
and
then
you
can
leverage
that
work
regionally
with
other
focus
groups
that
are
going
on
in
the
area
and
across
illinois
and
up
to
state
advocacy
efforts
that
we're
working
on
that
will
in
turn,
hopefully
come
back
down
and
leverage
to
support
evanston
and
what
you're?
Thinking
of
so
it's
not
this
isn't
a
one-off
or
an
end-all
right.
It's
this
really
way
of
thinking.
S
How
can
we
leverage
all
of
these
voices
in
a
way?
That's
different
and
certainly
are
connecting
a
lot
of
dots.
Does
that
make
sense
and
they're
visiting
safety
focus
groups
that
resonate
with
people
makes
sense.
Yes,
yes,.
C
Just
a
quick
comment,
thank
you
very
much.
All
of
planning
for
introducing
us
this
group
evangeline
always
good
to
see
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
continued
advocacy
for
our
families
in
town
last
yesterday,
chief
cook,
just
as
I'm
listening
to
this
in
the
last
presentation
mentioned
that
we
don't
do
enough
for
our
mothers
who
are
survivors
after
these.
C
Tragic
killings-
and
I
I
want
to
take
some
time
just
to
digest
this,
because
it's
the
lot
that
you
you've
thrown
together
in
a
short
period
of
time.
So
I
hope
that
we'll
have
a
opportunity
to
revisit
this.
I
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
a
quick
answer
in
this
meeting,
but
I
I
do
find
the
services
needed-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
again
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
very
much
albin
fleming-
to
bring
this
to
the
table.
H
H
I
know
that
I
told
you
very-
I
was
already
that
I'm
interested
in
you
know
having
a
visioning
state
per
session.
You
know
if
I
were,
as
we've
already
kind
of
been
talking
about
safety
and
police
and
all
that,
so
I'm
happy
to
be
the
model
and
see
how
you
know
and
invite
others
to
participate.
H
I
do
want
to
remind
folks
who
are
listening
because
we're
getting
to
the
budget
session.
As
marissa
said,
this
is
an
in-kind
technical
support.
So,
as
people
are,
you
know
concerned
about
money
and
consultants
and
all
those
things
that
we
should
pay
for.
This
is
something
we
have
if
we
choose
the
opportunity
to
at
least
have
some
conversations
in
our
community
with
some
training
professionals
who
are
not
looking
to
you
know,
sell
us
anything
and
be
favored
or
serve.
So
I
think
that's
important
to
remind
folks.
H
A
S
You
we're
happy
in
any
format
that
you
would
like
to
start.
The
groups
one-on-ones
small
groups,
peer
groups,
elder
women,
fleming,
we'll
wait
to
hear
from
you
and
again.
All
of
us
are
just
so
impressed
with
the
leadership
shown
here
and
public
comments
and
would
be
really
excited
to
help
you
all
work
on
this.
There
are
no
easy
answers.
There
never
have
been.
There
certainly
aren't
now.
So
thank
you
all
for
your
leadership.
S
T
A
A
So
mayor,
hagerty's,
policing,
q,
a
of
a
week
ago,
featured
speakers
from
denver
and
olympia
washington
talking
about
their
versions
of
the
cahoots
program
and
certainly
what
they're
doing
in
their
communities
is
not
exactly
what
we
want
to
do
here
in
evanston,
but
I
think,
provide
some
very
helpful
examples
for
us,
as
we
want
to
think
about
what
what
might
work
for
us
here.
So
this
morning,
I
I
took
the
initiative
to
have
a
nice
phone
conversation
with
anne
larson.
A
She's,
a
good,
really
eloquent
spokesperson
for
their
program.
The
two
community,
our
two
communities,
are
quite
different.
The
the
main
group
that
their
program
works
with
and-
and
you
know-
for
their
emergency
responses-
is
a
very
large
homeless
population
and
the
business
community
is
a
major
stakeholder
in
this
whole
program
because
they
experience
a
lot
of
homeless
individuals
sleeping
on
the
doorsteps
of
their
businesses,
etc.
A
So
what
was
interesting
in
talking
with
anne
is
the
very
lengthy
process
of
discussions
that
it
took
to
actually
form
to
develop
the
details
for
their
program.
They
had
stakeholder
meetings.
A
So
what
she
started
out
with
some
stakeholder
meetings,
one
with
the
social
service
agencies
in
the
community
to
get
a
better
sense
of
what
they
saw
as
the
problem.
Then
there
were
stakeholder
meetings
with
the
business
community
to
see
how
they
saw
the
problem,
and
then
they
did
a
in-depth
survey
with
the
police
to
find
out
what
their
thoughts
were
and
then
all
that
then
turned
into
an
rfp
and
then
the
proposals
that
came
into
the
rfp.
A
She
had
reviewed
by
a
group
of
the
social
service
agencies
rather
than
the
city
or
the
police
department,
and
ultimately,
they
hired
an
agency
not
actually
based
in
olympia.
It's
from
a
nearby
community.
The
agency
was
hired
in
january
2019
and
they
spent
then
about
three
months
of
training.
A
The
team
members,
the
crews
community
crisis
response
unit,
the
crew
team
spent
about
three
months
months,
getting
with
a
lot
of
on
the
ground,
training,
learning,
the
ins
and
outs
of
the
community
and
the
resources
etc.
And
then
then
they
began
service
in
april,
so
they've
had
a
over
a
year
now
of
operating
the
program
in
the
first
two
months
they
went
on
nearly
700
calls.
A
A
lot
of
them
are
are
self-initiated.
Sometimes
a
police
officer
will
say
gosh.
I
don't
really
need
to
be
involved
in
this
call
and
they'll
call
the
crew
team.
Obviously
some
come
from
9-1-1
some
maybe
come
from
the
business
community.
That's
that
you
know,
they're
familiar
with
crew
team
and-
and
the
really
big
benefit
of
the
program
is,
is
the
outcome
for
the
the
people
that
are
in
the
crisis
situation.
A
Not
only
do
they
spend
more
time
at
the
crisis
situation
in
the
moment,
but
then
they
follow
up
the
following
day.
The
following
week.
It's
it's
more
of
a
sort
of
a
full
round
of
support
and
assistance,
so
it
really
that
it
really
is
a
social
service
response
rather
than
a
police
response
to
to
the
calls
they
in
in
olympia
it's
a
they.
A
So
it's
a
it's
a
different
situation
than
I
think
we
would
be
looking
at
here
in
evanston,
I'm
envisioning
that
we
would
initially
aim
for
something
with
you
know
not
not
covering
as
many
hours
in
the
day,
maybe
not
maybe
only
monday
to
friday
and
not
the
weekends
initially,
so
that
we'd
have
a
smaller
scale
program
with
a
smaller
budget.
The
budget
in
olympia,
washington
is
550
000,
which
I
think
is
more
than
we're
going
to
be
able
to
find
in
our
2021
budget.
A
So,
and
I
guess
the
other,
my
other
thought
was
rather
than
our
human
services
committee,
trying
to
come
up
with
all
the
details
of
of
what
the
program
would
look
like
and
how
to
implement
it
that
maybe
we
could
create
a
subcommittee
to
work
on
that.
That
would
involve
some
social
service
providers,
some
various
stakeholders,
and
so
it
wouldn't
become
part
of
our
ongoing
human
services
committee
agenda.
So
I
throw
that
out
to
my
committee
members
for
their
their
thoughts
and
comments.
H
Yeah,
so
I
did
look
at
him
looking.
H
So
I'm
not
ignoring
you
all.
I
did
look
at
the
the
olympia
program
as
well
as
the
denver
program.
I
agree
with
you
and
that
you
know
it
was
definitely
an
interesting
model,
but
definitely
felt
more
on
that.
You
know
homeless
services
motto
and
I
think
that
when
I
think
about
the
calls,
when
we
looked
at
that
911
data
and
cost
that
our
police
got
that,
I
would
think
you
know
aren't
necessarily
policing
matters.
H
They,
you
know
encompass
a
wide
variety
of
things
right,
so
definitely
some
of
the
things
that
they
have
here
in
olympia
model,
I
think,
would
be
needed
here
and
and
probably
very
much
helpful.
But,
as
you
said,
like
the
waking
people
up
and
all
that
connection
does
have
two
outreach
staff
that
you
know
if
they're
going
to
wake
people
up,
but
they
do
handle
some
more
of
those
things.
H
And
so
you
know
this
would
be
something
that
definitely
they
could
work
with
the
connection
staff
and
refer
people
to,
but
don't
need
to
replicate
their
their
work.
And
then,
when
I
looked
at
the
denver
plan,
it
seemed
that
I'm
trying
to
get
my
notes
together,
but
I
did
like
that
they
had
a
social
worker,
I
think
in
a
paramedic,
or
at
least
someone
with
some
medical
training,
because
I
think
you
know
I
would.
I
would
imagine,
particularly
with
people
who
have
some
really
severe
mental
health
issues.
H
The
medical
training
might
be
necessary,
I'm
not
that
they're.
You
know
giving
medical
care
on
the
side
of
the
road,
but
they
might,
you
know,
have
a
skill
set
there.
That
is
necessary.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
an
emt
or
some
other
type
of
you
know
cna
or
something
another.
So
I
did
like
that
piece
of
their
model.
I
agree
when
we
get
started.
H
Maybe
those
hours
aren't
the
hours
we
could.
We
could
look
at
the
police
call
data
and
see
if
you
know
some
weekends
evenings
are
necessary
or
daytime,
but
also
thinking
through
past
the
response
to
9-1-1,
which
I
think
one
of
them
mentioned,
which
was
making
these
connections
with
some
of
the
familiar
faces
in
the
community,
and
so
even
if
they're,
not
out
on
the
911
call
kind
of
doing
some
community
engagement
work.
H
Because
again
my
my
thought
is
trying
to
not
only
over
tax
911
with
calls
that
they
don't
really,
you
know,
need
a
911.
I
need
a
police
response
to,
but
also
doing
a
little
bit
more
with
reaching
out
to
folks
before
they
even
are
making
that
call.
So
I
guess
that
might
fall
a
little
bit
to
homeless,
but
also
other
people.
I
think
of
us.
I
see
who
are
just
frequent
in
our
city.
They
have
homes,
but
they
have
some
other
difficulties,
and
I
did
like
that.
H
I
believe
the
olympia
team
work
with
some
housing
prices,
so
I
was
interested
in
that
piece
as
we
unfortunately,
are
probably
going
to
see
some
more
foreclosures
whenever
those
open
back
up
in
the
state,
and
so
thinking
about
that,
as
I
don't
know
exactly
what
they
do.
But
thinking
about
that
as
something
that
that
these
these
folks
might
be
able
to
also
just
at
least
be
in
touch
with
people
on,
I
would
agree
with
the
subcommittee.
I
think
my
only
concern
with
that
is
making
sure
that
we
stay
on
task.
H
If
we're
trying
to
get
something
in
the
budget
that
we,
you
know,
we
have,
I
guess
another
month.
I
think
the
budget
is
coming
the
beginning
of
october,
so.
H
That
you
know
the
month
of
september
with
a
very
aggressive
goal.
Obviously
everything's
not
going
to
be
solved
and
we
might
find
that
it's
just
too
big.
But
I
don't
know
in
terms
of
pulling
a
subcommittee
together.
If
that's
something
we
have
to
bring.
You
know
to
council
and
then
get
approval
with
the
mayor
and
have
people
apply
and
all
those
things.
So
I
would
be
just
a
little
bit
concerned
with
the
timeline.
H
A
Community
right
yeah
just
to
respond
and
then
I'll
go
to
alderman
fisk.
I
don't
envision
it
being
the
kind
of
committee
that
needs
a
mayoral
appointment.
I
mean
the
alternatives
to
arrest
committee,
for
example.
I
mean
or
didn't
come
to
council,
let's
say,
but
I
think
I
guess
I'm
envisioning
that
we
put
a
placeholder
in
the
budget
and
so
this
the
subcommittee
wouldn't
have
to
be.
You
know,
have
the
program
all
figured
out
by
october.
15Th
they'd
have
until
the
end
of
the
year
when
the
funding
actually
became
available.
U
U
Before
this
meeting,
I
received
a
phone
call
from
the
interim
assistant
city
manager,
who
stated
that
erica
our
city
manager
will
be
able
to
see
some
money
carved
out
in
the
tune
of
about
200
000
dollars
to
focus
on
a
pilot
but
limited
program
before
2021
budget.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
announcement
as
we
continue.
This
conversation.
A
Great
okay,
that's
that's
helpful
information,
because
that
is
that's
a
reasonable
amount
of
money
I
think
to
for
a
pilot
program
and
when
we
say
pilot,
it's
not
something
that
we
are
going
to
just
discontinue,
that's
more
learning,
how
it
works
and
then
expanding
it
as
we
go
forward,
but
alderman
fisk
did
you
have
some
comments?
Oh.
B
Yeah
I
was
going
to
mention
the
concept
of
a
placeholder
in
in
the
budget.
I
I
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting
that
I
I
felt
that
you
know
this
is.
This
is
really
complicated.
It's
very
positive,
in
my
view,
it's,
but
it
is
complicated
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
I'm
missing
are
getting
all
of
our
social
service
providers,
our
partners,
all
everyone
represented
everybody
at
the
table,
so
that
we
can
have
a
consolidated
response
so
that
we
know
exactly
what
we
need.
What
others
can
provide.
B
B
Really
I
mean
today
was
the
deadline
for
them
to
have
everyone
out
of
the
origin,
and
I
know
betty
bogg
has
been
working
tirelessly
to
do
that,
and
you
know
I'm
just
so
respectful
of
her
and
her
efforts
and
what
a
difference
that
has
made
in
the
lives
of
folks.
But
I
do
think,
if
we're
going
to
get
this
right,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
get
everybody
at
the
table
and
it
it
doesn't.
I
think,
we're
the
least
important
people
at
the
table.
B
I
think
getting
getting
these
folks
there
and
understanding
how
we
could
put
together
this
program,
and
I
do
like
the
olympia
model.
B
I
I
on
the
west
coast,
of
course
they,
as
you
said
alderman
fleming-
I
mean
the
focus
very
much-
is
more
on
homelessness,
because
it's
just
a
more
temperate
climate,
and
so
they
have
a
year
a
year-round
problem
and
but
we're
working
very,
very
hard
on
on
addressing
that
issue,
at
least
in
my
ward,
and
I
appreciate
the
efforts
of
the
people
who
who
are
doing
that,
but
I
also
I
want
them
at
the
table
along
with
everybody
else,
so
that's
to
say
that
I
I
do.
B
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
good
thing
to
go
ahead.
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
erica's
at
least
willing
to
put
that
placeholder
there.
That
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
time.
I
agree
with
this
subcommittee.
I
don't
know
who
you,
I
guess:
alderman
fleming
you're
coming
in
as
new
chair
and
but
maybe
you
and
aldermen
reveal-
can
work
this
out
between
the
two
of
you,
but
I
think
it's
a.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
B
I
think
it's
a
really
positive
step
forward
and
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
everyone
necessarily
understands
how
interconnected
this
all
is,
and
I
think
that's
a
it's,
not
a
failure
of
our
awards,
but
our
words
are
really
different.
B
We
represent
different
groups
of
people
and
I
sort
of
look
at
the
fourth
ward
as
the
as
sort
of
the
epicenter
of
a
lot
of
stuff.
I'd
like
to
hear
what
alderman
wilson
says,
I
think
in
the
information
that
we
got
his
word
had
the
highest
highest
reports
of
crime
highest
reports
of
calls
to
9-1-1.
C
B
A
Thank
you
all
my
bracelet.
Do
you
want
to
no
okay
right,
so
yeah?
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
the
next
step
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
get
the
feedback
and
the
buy-in
from
all
of
our
colleagues?
So
then
we
go
ahead.
Assuming
we
have
the
buy-in
with
creating
the
subcommittee
to
develop
the
details
of
this
program.
The
ultimate
fisk.
B
You
know
the
one
thing
I
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
the
olympia
program
the
police
were
at
the
table.
I
mean
the
police
were
an
important
part
of
this
and
the
police
were,
you
know,
working
with,
as
you
mentioned,
alderman
working
with
the
you
know.
Folks
would
often
call
the
business
business
owners
or
whoever
would
often
call,
and
the
police
would
make
a
determination
who
needed
to
go
out
or
they
would
call
the
providers
and
then
that
could
be
determined.
B
I
that's,
I
think
something
I
want
to
hear
more
from
kelly
about
about
our
contract
and
how
that
works
and
whether
we
need
to
you
know
address
any
of
those
cooperative
details.
B
B
T
B
Been
I've
been
kind
of
struggling
with
the
well-being
checks
thinking
that?
Well,
maybe
we
could,
you
know,
use
an
emt
and
a
social
worker
and
they
they
could
respond.
But
I've
heard
recently
and
again
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
true
kelly.
Maybe
you
can
tell
us
this,
but
that
for
some
well-being,
checks
or
death
notifications,
we
need
to
have
the
police
accompany
in
case.
There
is
a
situation
that
calls
for
a
criminal
investigation,
for
example,.
J
A
Yeah
just
real
quickly
in
terms
of
the
well-being
checks.
I
asked
ann
in
olympia,
whether
they,
whether
their
crew
team,
responded
to
those,
and
she
said
no.
They
don't
just
because
so
for
that,
for
those
she
recommended
a
police
officer
with
us,
with
maybe
a
social
worker
that
there
be
this
kind
of
hybrid
model
is
and-
and
I
have
seen
that
being
used
in
other
communities,
yeah.
A
Does
anybody
want
to
make
a
motion?
Do
we
need,
I
think,
yeah
a
lot
more
funny.
H
Yeah,
I
just
need
a
little
more
clarity,
I
think
still
just
in
terms
of
so
you
are
suggesting
that
we
send.
We
propose
a
subcommittee,
so
we
would
send
that
to
full
council.
I
don't
we're
not
meeting
for
a
full
council
until
september
14th
right.
A
I
guess
what
I'm
suggesting
we
send
a
council
is
our
recommendation
that
the
2021
budget
include
funding
for
an
alternative
emergency
response
system
and
with
the
details
to
be
developed
by
the
subcommittee,
I
guess
the
details
of
the
actual
program,
but
the
thing
that
I
we
want.
The
the
council's
buy-in
is
the
idea
that
we
would
devote
funding
towards
this
kind
of
alternative
response
program.
H
H
Kind
of
more
citizen.
H
And
and
and
looking
at
how
to
reallocate
now,
I
don't
we
don't
just
reallocate
just
for
the
purpose
of
reallocating,
but
I
think
I
mean
I
still
think
we
in
my
opinion,
should
have
the
conversation
you
know
about
about
a
piece
of
that,
and
so,
if
they're
as
we
mentioned
yesterday,
if
we
get
this
thing
set
up
and
it's
working,
you
know
then
they're
going
to
be
some
calls
or
hopefully
quite
a
few
calls
that
we're
able
to
defer
from
the
police
response,
whatever.
H
Is
right,
so
I
think
you
mentioned
last
week
that
you
know
so
that
we
need.
I
don't
know
if
you
said
we
need
less
police,
but
you
know
police
will
not
need
to
be
out
one
of
these
things
that
they
maybe
don't
need
to
do
it.
So
then,
all
the
police
that
we
have,
if
they're
not
responding
to
all
the
calls
that
we
have.
So
I
think
that
I'm
I'm
fine
going
to
subcommittee.
I
think
that's
the
right
way
to
go
on
the
fine
that
we
have
the
200
000
as
a
placeholder.
H
D
H
They
have
benefits
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
200
000
is
a
a
great
start,
but
I
don't
I
guess
I'm
not.
I
don't
want
to
go
forward,
saying
that's
our
end-all
be-all.
I
think
there's
still
time
to
review.
N
E
B
And
I
think
one
of
the
main
the
main
points
about
the
about
the
model
is
that
there's
a
lot
to
be
developed
going
forward.
There's
a
lot
to
be
learned
going
forward,
and
we
can't
obviously
make
the
assumption
at
the
beginning
of
where
we're
going
to
end
up
the
process
provide,
provides
us
with
the
details
that
we
need
in
order
to
take
next
steps
forward.
B
So
if
we
save
a
lot
of
money
for
example,
then
then
things
can
be
reallocated,
and
but
we
don't
know
that
yet
and
we
need
to
work
through
this,
and
that
would
be
the
subcommittee's
charge.
I
think,
is
to
to
work
through
this
and
then
see
how
it's
going,
because
we
we
don't
we
we
won't
know
until
we
put
it
in
place
and
that's
a
good
reason
to
put
it
in
places
to
find
out.
H
H
You
know
again,
the
call
came
about
defunding
was
the
response
to
people
in
our
community
who
do
not
feel
safe
with
the
police,
and
I
think,
even
having
this
model
that
engages
the
you
know
takes
the
police
engagement
away
from
some
folks,
but
it
doesn't
really
address,
and
I
don't
know
that
we're
maybe
we're
not
gonna
address,
but
it
does
not
address
the
call
for
people
who
feel
unsafe
with
our
police.
So
this
is.
This
is
one
piece
of
that,
and
that
is-
and
that
is
definitely
a
longer
process.
H
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
get
and
answer
that
question,
but
just
as
our
presenters
talked
about
a
shared
safety,
calling
the
police
or
having
the
police
respond
to,
you
is
not
what
everybody
in
our
community
says,
bring
some
safety,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
still
something
that
we
need
to
keep
in
the
forefront
of
our
conversation
and
again
we're
not
going
to
solve
that
in
one
conversation,
because
we
need
to
hear
from
people
who
are
having
that
experience
as
automobile
talked
about
today
from
the
mayor's
call.
But
everyone
receives
our
police
differently.
A
B
And
ultimate
flipping,
I
agree
with
you
entirely
on
that.
I
think
that's
really
important,
but
I
think
that
it's
also
part
of
what
we're
moving
toward
and
and
and
and
as
we
as
the
pilot
program
starts
and
then
expands,
and
then
I
I
think
we'll
we
will
achieve
that
goal.
I
I
think
that
all
the
reading
that
I
I
did
today
having
people
out
in
the
community
responding
so
the
social
service
workers,
just
the
fact
that
they
were
responding,
whether
it
was
with
police
or
not
with
police.
That
was.
B
It
certainly
gave
the
signal
that
that's
that
we
hear
the
people
who
are
who
are
well.
We
hear
everyone,
but
who
are
asking
us
to
do
more,
who
want
us
to
do
more,
and
maybe
even
those
who
are
affected,
who
aren't
asking
us
to
do
more
but
are
affected,
and
once
we
start
the
program-
and
it
is
successful
that
hopefully
they
will
see
that
as
a
positive,
a
positive
result.
So
I
I'm
I
again,
I'm
I
my
glasses
have
full
here.
I
I'm.
B
I
think
we
can
really
make
some
real
strides,
creating
the
kind
of
community
that
we
want
and
that
our
our
most
vulnerable
and
most
affected
people
deserve
and
are
asking
for.
So
I
think
I
think
we
will
get
there.
We
we
just
we
have
to
start,
though,
and
and-
and
I
I
want
to
say
especially
to
the
person
who
was
speaking
at
citizen
comment.
B
My
struggle
with
this
has
always
been
that
this
is
a.
This
is
something
that
we
can
only
solve
as
a
community
conversation
with
everybody,
everybody
out
there
participating
in
it
and
recognizing
that
folks
are
coming
from
different
points
of
view
and
we,
but
we
can
make
things
better,
and
I
think
the
chief
has
been
really
helpful
in
that,
and
I
want
to
thank
him
for
his
his
comments.
But
you
know
you
may
disagree
with
someone
or
agree
with
them
on
how
they're
approaching
it
or
their
point
of
view.
B
But
the
fact
is
that
we
have
to
encourage
everybody's
points
of
view
here
and
we
have
to
work
through
some
hard
stuff
in
order
to
get
to,
hopefully
the
more
positive
place
that
we're
all
we're
all
headed
for.
So
I'm
very
thankful
to
you
guys,
for
you
know,
for
having
this
conversation
and
to
you
alderman
ravel,
for
your
leadership
on
this,
because
I
think
it's
been
a
really
good
conversation.
B
I
read
absolutely
everything
and
I
I
just
extremely
impressed
with
what's
going
on
in
other
communities,
and
I
want
to
you
know,
I'm
just
amazed
that
you
know
that
we
have
the
the
opportunity
now
to
really
get
this
started,
and
but
we
can't
be
calling
each
other
names
anymore.
You
know
can't
call
the
police
names,
you
can't
call
anybody
names,
you've
got
it,
it
just
doesn't
help.
It
doesn't
help
the
conversation.
So
please,
folks,
I
mean
your
your
comments.
Everyone's
comments
are
welcome,
but
we've
got
to
work
together
on
this.
H
I'm
happy
to
lead
the
subcommittee,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
nominate
yourself
or
whatever,
but
I'm
you.
H
Proactive
here
and
so
we're
going
to
council
on
the
14th,
I
don't
know
the
rules
well
enough
to
know
how
we
have
to
do
this
ottoman.
Great
way
you
can
can
be.
Maybe
help
me
refresh
when
you
started
alternatives
to
arrest.
But
again
I
think
the
14th.
We
have
a
very
large
agenda
already
and
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
get
the
committee
formed
and
meeting
quickly,
because
then,
once
you
even
get
the
committee
forms
you
have
to
get,
you
know
people
invited
and
then
get
their
calendars
clear
and
all
that
stuff.
H
So
we
all
know
that
can
take
some
time
and
I
want
people
to
be
available
to
participate,
but
also
people
to
participate
in
the
budget
process.
So
I
I'm
happy
to
lead
the
committee.
I
just
would
like
us
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
get
it
formed
and
meeting
quickly,
because
we
know
that
that
could
easily
take
a
month.
A
I
think
the
first,
the
first
thing
is
for
all
of
us
to
pool
our
suggestions,
of
of
which
you
know,
who
are
the
stakeholders
who
should
be.
You
know,
would
be
really
important
to
have
on
the
subcommittee,
and
you
know,
come
up
with
that
list
first
and
get
that
you
know.
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
chair
that
committee.
That
would
be
great.
H
C
Yeah,
so
I
mean
we
definitely
have
the
cause
and
the
mission
and
what
we
want
to
achieve,
and
then
it
I
mean
whether
we
come
up
with
the
composition
of
the
the
committee
or
oliver
in
fleming
since
you're
willing
to
chair.
You
would
then
help
to
shape
the
comp.
The
composition
of
the
committee
make
the
recommendations
to
the
mayor,
and
then
the
mayor
would
make
the
proper
appointments
and
assign
staff
to
provide
support.
A
A
C
Sure
it
was
mayor,
hagerty.
C
A
Right
exactly
yeah,
so
that's
that's
the
model,
then,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
send
up,
send
our
ideas
of
committee
members
perspectives,
stakeholder
views
that
should
be
represented
on
this
subcommittee,
we'll
send
all
that
to
ottoman
fleming
and
at
the
council
meeting
on
the
14th
we
will
be
proposing
allocating
money
in
the
2021
budget
for
this
alternative
response
system
and
this
to
with
the
details
to
be
developed
for
council
approval
during
in
the
fall
months,
with
ready,
ready
to
go
once
the
budget
is
approved.
B
I
think
by
by
december
31st
or
what
what
what
date
was
it
that
it
ike
did
you
did
you
say
that
erica
had
a
date
did
someone
did
I
hear
the
date.
A
All
right
so
we'll
and
we
can
have
an
update
at
our
next
human
services
committee
meeting
then
on
where
we
are
in
terms
of
identifying
people
for
the
for
the
subcommittee.
Does
that
sound?
Okay
for
parliament
funding.
H
H
You
know
he
said
for
me
to
be
community
voice
as
well
as
our
you
know,
some
non-profit
folks
and
all
that
stuff.
So
right
and
then
I
guess
we
need
to
get
something
to
the
full
council
as
well.
Who
will
have
an
opinion
on
they
might
I'm
sure
they
have
suggestions
on
who
right,
whoever
what
area
they
want.
People
to
come
from
so
I'll
get
some
clarity
from
that
from
legal
and
from
the
mayor
in
terms
of
the
timeline
and
if
we
can
get
them
appointed
later.
That
would
be
great.
H
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
go
out
to
the
community
to
let
them
know.
This
is
something
we're
doing
so.
People
can,
you
know,
send
in
their
names
or
what
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
as
much
voice
as
possible
as
autumn.
If
this,
and
even
just
with
the
nine
of
us,
you
know,
there's
there's
someone
or
some
perspective
we're
going
to
miss
so
so
that's
fine.
The
next
human
services
meeting
is
on
the
8th.
Is
that
right.
F
J
A
Except
I've
been
seeing
tuesday,
the
8th
no
after
we
have,
we
have
executive
session,
we
have
something
4,
30
and
then
five
o'clock
is
human
services.
H
A
Great
thanks,
well
speaking
of
legal,
we
we
did
want
to
hear
from
kelly
about
any
issues
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
in
terms
of
police,
department,
personnel
and
changes.
We
might
have
in
mind
and
those
kind
of
things
so.
V
To
be
members
of
city
council,
kelly,
gandersky
corporation
council
for
the
city
of
evanston,
I'm
happy
to
take
direct
questions
as
well.
I've
you
know
reviewed
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
between
the
order
of
police
and
the
city
of,
and
then
I
can
just
highlight
some
of
the
key
points
that
council
needs
to
consider
in
reallocating
resources.
V
The
first
important
thing
to
note
is
that
the
city
of
evanston
retains
management
rights
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
So
what
that
means
is
that
if
the
city
envisions
its
mission
or
objectives
in
a
certain
way,
it
has
the
leadership
of
the
city,
has
the
right
to
implement
those
objectives.
V
So,
for
instance,
if
there
was
an
old
model
of
policing
that
the
council,
at
one
point
and
I'll
just
make
up
an
example,
you
know
10
15
years
ago,
saw
the
mission
for
the
police
department
to
be
in
one
particular
direction,
but
now
has
viewed
what
what
evanston
police
department's
mission
should
be
in
a
different
direction.
V
We
we,
the
city
of
evanston,
have
the
right
to
by
our
management
and
authority
direct
the
police
department
as
to
where
we
see
those
resources
being
allocated
most.
V
So
if
it's,
if
it's
more
of
a
and
again
I'll,
create
another
example,
if
the
mission
seems
to
be
more
in
community
involvement,
community
development,
then
perhaps
council
may
want
to
see
the
police
department
engaged
in
activities
that
are
more
community
community
development,
community
relations
activities
as
opposed
to
enforcement
or
punitive.
V
Another
important
thing
to
note.
The
collective
bargaining
agreement
expires
on
december
31st
2022,
so
the
city
is
under
obligation
to
continue
under
the
agreement
that
we
are
in
now
there
are
certain
immovables
in
the
agreement.
For
instance,
members
of
the
fop
and
members
of
the
police
department
are
entitled
to
certain
pay
scales
with
certain
pay
increases
that
go
into
effect
periodically
year
to
year.
V
If
there
are
discussions
that
need
to
be
had
between
the
city,
management
and
union
members,
in
terms
of
where
they
see
again,
these
resources
being
allocated
or
where
they
see
the
vision
of
the
police
department
to
be
going,
there
are
provisions
in
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
for
the
city
and
the
unions
meet
and
confer
those
are
called
labor
management
meetings
and
that's
provided
for
neglected
bargaining
agreements,
there's
a
way
for
the
city
and
members
to
sit
down
and
collaborate
and
discuss
new
developments
in
in
the
city
of
evanston.
V
If
we
were
looking
at
reallocating
resources
in
such
a
way,
that
would
decrease
the
budget
of
the
police
department,
for
instance,
which
would
require-
and
again
I'm
not
saying
it
will
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
But,
for
instance,
let's
say
council
decided
to
decrease
employees
in
the
evanston
police
department.
They
cut
the
budget.
V
How
that
would
work
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement.
Is
that
layoffs
go
by
seniority
first,
so
it
wouldn't
necessarily
mean
that
certain
members
of
the
police
department
that
perform
certain
functions
would
be
laid
off
first,
it
would
go
by
seniority.
Those
with
the
least
seniority
would
be
laid
off
and
the
reason
would
be
either
due
to
lack
of
resources
or
other
legitimate
reasons
which
are
not
really
defined
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
and
any
returns
to
work
are
obviously
by
seniority
as
well.
So
those
of
the
most
seniority
get
returned
to
work.
V
First,
if,
let's
say
those
members
of
the
police
department
that
fall
under
the
union
contract
were
to
be
reallocated
to
another
department,
let's
say
it's
important
to
note
that
they
are
still
entitled
per
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
to
their
same
pay
scale.
V
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
for
the
council
to
note
that,
if
you're
looking
at
a
dollars
and
cents
resources
allocation,
it's
important
to
understand
that
the
members
are
still
entitled
to
their
same
pay.
For
the
elected
bargaining
agreement,
so
I
hope
at
a
high
level
that
kind
of
highlights
the
agreement
for
any
grievances.
Obviously,
the
union
there's
a
process
for
the
union
in
the
city
to
come
to
terms
on
any
grievances,
but
at
a
high
level.
That's
that's
kind
of
how
the
collective
bargaining
were
to
work.
H
V
Well,
if
we
were
to
reallocate
officers,
let's
say
we
took
five
members
and
said
instead
of
performing
tasks
for
the
police
department,
we're
going
to
have
you
perform
tasks
for
a
newly
created
department
called
public
safety.
Those
officers
are
still
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
they're
still
entitled
to
their
same
pay
scale.
H
Okay,
but
if
we
said,
for
instance,
and
I'm
looking
at
the
job
chart
here,
if
we
said
well,
we
don't
need
animal
control
anymore
and
we
don't
need
you
know
whatever
this
is.
We
don't
need
the
tax
department
we're
not
making
a
new
animal
control
person
or
you
know
anything
similar
at
the
health
department
or
we're
not.
You
know
we're
not
we're
not
out
getting
rid
of
those
people
just
to
make
something
similar.
C
H
Because
I
want
to
make
the
that
I
understand,
we
can't
we
would
not
say
let's
get
rid
of
animal
warden
yet
and
still
we're
going
to
make
an
animal
supervisor
right.
I
mean
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
if
we
just
said
you
know
what
hey
we
don't
have
as
many
stray
animals.
We
don't
need
that
position
anymore,
but
that
still
leave
us
and
I
understand
anyone
can
make
a
grievance
under
the
union,
but
with
that
type
of
termination
not
to
be
the
same.
I
guess
grievance.
V
V
Right
so
how
it
would
work
is,
and
I'm
not
sure
who
the
tactical
team
or
the
animal
award
in
their
40
levels.
At
this
point
they
could
be
very
young
members
of
the
union.
They
could
be
very
more
experienced
members
of
the
union.
Let's
say
they
were
more.
The
most
experienced
members
with
the
most
years
in
service.
Those
members
of
those
teams
would
not
so
the
city
would
be
saying.
V
In
essence,
the
police
department
is
shrinking
its
number
of
employees
to
reallocate
resources,
so
those
individuals
would
not
necessarily
be
be
laid
off.
They.
D
V
H
H
We
solved
our
animal
problem
in
evanston
that
particular
person
might
not
be
laid
off
because
they
might
have
seniority.
But
if
we
decided
hey,
we
just
don't
need
this
function
anymore.
V
And
well,
I
would
I
would
say:
theoretically
the
answer
to
your
question
is
yes
in
part,
I
say
that
because
if
the
chief
of
police
were
to
determine
based
upon
what
he
understands
in
the
community
for
his
allocation
of
research,
if
he
needs
to
re,
allocate
officers
to
perform
a
function,
that
city
council
is
seeking
to
eliminate
due
to
public
health
or
safety
reasons,
I
think
that's
a
separate
that
that's
a
separate
conversation
that
we
would
all
have
to
have
because
again
it
gets.
V
It
gets
a
little
tricky
when
you're
talking
about
allocating
you're
talking
about
instructing
the
chief
of
police
on
how
to
allocate
his
resources
or
the
city
manager
in
that
regard.
But
if
we,
if,
as
a
council,
you
were
to
say,
we
don't
think
we
need
those
functions,
we're
eliminating
those
positions,
then
I
I
think
theoretically,
yes,
you
can
do
that.
Can
the
chief
then
say?
Well,
fine,
we
don't
have
those
teams
anymore.
V
We
don't
have
funding
for
those
particular
positions,
but
I'm
using
resources
and
from
what
I
still
have
left
to
perform
some
of
those
other
functions.
I
think
he
could
probably
do
that
as
well.
V
In
the
into
chief's
point,
we'd
have
to
be
careful
about
creating
redundancies,
so
if
there
were
positions
eliminated
because
the
city
deems
the
function
unnecessary
anymore
and
you're
asking
other
other
office
to
perform
a
like
function,
then
that's
also
a
potential
for
a
grievance
and
then
again
this
goes
before
assuming
there's
no
compromise
between
the
city
and
the
union.
This
goes
to
an
arbitrator
who
can
decide
whatever
he
or
she
wants
to
decide
and
the
city
would
be
held
to
those
rulings.
V
So
there's
a
lot
and
again
this
is
just
a
very
short-leveled
conversation,
but
there's
a
lot
to
consider
going
into
those
decisions
as
well.
You
know,
as
she
said,
it's
not
that
as
simple
as
just
saying
we're
going
to
cut
this
or
we're
going
to
cut
that,
because
there
are
levels
of
there
are
layers
here
on
how
this
works,
and
you
know,
there's
there's
different
directions.
The
results
can
take,
but
I
think
I
think
you're
all
aware
of
that.
V
H
A
Other
questions
from
committee
members-
okay,
well,
thank
you
kelly
then.
I,
our
next
item,
is
the
update
we
have
from
you
chief
cook,
about
in
your
police
department
update
memo.
W
Oh
I'll
briefly,
go
through
through
the
ones
that
are
on
here.
A
W
Number
one
department
should
assign
final
disciplinary
according
to
the
chief
of
police.
We
have
that
in
place.
That
is
a
recommendation,
a
best
practice
that
we
do
currently
have
number
two.
The
department
should
have
public
complaint
process
to
make
filing
a
complaint
open
to
all.
I
thoroughly
agree
with
that.
That
was
one
of
the
recommendations
when
the
mayor
formulated
the
citizen
review
complaint
committee.
W
W
W
The
complaint
process
department
should
have
policies
on
officer
investigation.
It
clearly
defined
procedures
for
carrying
out
the
investigations
and
seeing
them
through
to
completion.
Even
if
an
officer
separates
from
the
department,
we
will
carry
out
a
complaint
process
through
to
completion.
We
always
have.
W
W
The
department
should
regularly
release
to
the
public
in
accordance
with
relevant
state
laws,
data
on
disciplinary
action
and
decisions,
including
those
made
by
arbitrators.
We
have
been
doing
that.
I
don't
like
to
put
people
through
a
lot
of
process
in
order
to
get
those,
but
I
have
to
be
careful
and
what
I
release
on
that
due
to
possible
litigation,
unforeseen
and
things
of
that
nature.
W
So,
but
we
do
in
our
annual
report,
we
we
put
that
information
in
there
and
we
do
feel
the
foyers
as
much
as
possible
with
the
with
the
proper
redactions
that
may
be
necessary.
W
Number
five.
Their
department
should
have
policies,
they
require
supervisors,
to
conduct
ongoing
reviews
of
stops,
searches,
arrest
and
use
of
force.
We
do
that.
Officers
know
that
it
is
punitive
against
them
if
they
get
into
a
use
of
force
situation
and
they
have
not
filed
a
use
of
force
report.
We
we
don't
tolerate
that.
We
do
audits
a
video
of
our
not
only
our
in-car
camera
video,
but
also
of
our
body
camera
video.
W
Each
supervisor
is
assigned
to
a
number
of
officers
under
his
fan
and
control,
and
he
is
required
to
do
audits
on
their
video
and
if
he
sees
something
that's
inappropriate,
then
it
gets
pushed
up
to
the
office
of
professional
standards
for
investigation
or
if
he
sees
something
that
that
was
exceptionally
done.
Well,
we'll
utilize
that
video,
in
a
training
scenario
to
show
people
how
we
would
really
like
for
it
to
be
done.
W
The
department
should
require
body
cameras
and
develop
policies
for
review
and
release
and
preservation
of
footage.
All
of
that
is
mandated
in
state
law.
Every
evanston
police
officer,
including
myself.
We
we
are
assigned
body
cameras,
individual
body
cameras,
we
don't
use
body
cameras
from
one
shift
to
the
next.
Every
officer
has
their
own
body
camera
and
our
policies
are
appropriate
in
accordance
with
state
law.
W
In
our
lexapol
general
orders
and
number
seven
departments
should
implement
an
early
intervention
system
to
identify
at-risk
officers
to
help
support
their
well-being
in
2018,
the
evanston
police
department,
under
the
leadership
of
chief
ellington
they
embarked
upon
an
early
warning
system.
Benchmark
which
is
state
is,
is
really
the
state
of
the
art.
W
In
tracking
and
review
it
has
a
lot
of
modules
in
that
program,
not
only
use
of
force
in
in
those
type
of
violations,
but
attendance
violations
missing
court
things
of
that
nature,
vehicle
accidents,
it
tracks
all
of
those
and
when
it
when
it
gets
to
the
benchmark
as
defined
in
that
program,
the
officer
it
will
trigger
a
response
from
ops
to
take
the
appropriate
action,
whether
it's
discipline
or
additional
training,
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
And
if
you
have
any
questions
I'll
be
happy
to
take.
H
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
about
not
that,
but
about
something
else
in
the
hillary
clinton
study.
You
take
that
question
sure.
So
I
was
looking
at
that
yesterday
and
a
couple
things
I
know.
Last
week,
ottoman
fist
talked
about
the
staffing
study
that
was
recommended
in
there
that
we
did
not
do
so.
H
I
I
am
interested
in
that
after
I
looked
at
it
and
had
a
better
understanding
of
what
they
were
suggesting
because
they
had
some
suggestions
on
there
that
some
of
the
staffing
models
that
we
use
have
been
based
on
past
practices
and
not
really
analyzed,
for,
I
guess
efficiencies.
H
But
I
know
that's
a
budget
item,
so
we
would
need
to
discuss
if
that's
something
we
have
the
money
to
outsource
now,
but
it
seems
like
that's
one
piece
that
we
did
not
do
with
the
failure
high
study
at
the
time,
but
one
other
question
I
had
on
here
was
about
in
this
section.
That
was
key
findings
for
the
organizational
structure
of
epd.
H
I
think
some
of
these
things
we
did
do
if
I'm
correct,
but
one
of
them
was
combining
the
net
intact
unit
into
one
unit.
If
I'm
looking
at
the
org
chart,
it
doesn't
look
like
that
had
been
done,
but
I
want
to
just
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
that.
Were
they
in
two
separate
areas
and
now
they
kind
of
sit
parallel
in
the
org
chart
or
was
a
suggestion
to
combine
them
as
one
total
unit,
so
it'd
be
net
intact
together
in
one
unit
versus
two
different
units.
W
The
organ
organizational
structure
situation,
as
outlined
in
the
hearing
heights
report,
centered
upon
spanner
control
and
that's
basically,
how
efficient
can
one
supervisor
manage
a
number
of
people?
Basically,
what
is
the
number
of
people?
That's
appropriate
for
a
supervisor
to
be
responsible
for,
and
we
have
some
deficiencies
in
that
according
to
the
helian
heinz
report,
and
when
I
got
here
and
reviewed
it,
I
agreed
with
it.
So
we
did
make
the
appropriate
changes
with
respect
to
having
supervisors
have
the
appropriate
span
of
control.
W
For
instance,
we
had
the
executive
officer
position,
which
was
filled
by
our
police
commander,
making
150
some
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
nobody
reported
to
him.
That's
an
inefficient
span
of
control,
so
I
got
rid
of
that
position
and
I
pushed
it
down
to
patrol
where
that
person
has
a
greater
span
of
control
and
is
in
more
more
in
line
with
operational
efficiencies.
W
Net
intact
was
always
under
the
control
of
one
police
demand,
but
when
you
look
down
on
the
sergeant
level
the
the
span
of
control
for
the
sergeant
to
the
officers,
it
was
three
officers
and
a
in
a
sergeant,
that's
an
inefficient
span
of
control.
W
W
W
So
I
tend
to
teeter
between
spanish
control
and
span
of
knowledge.
So
I
look
at
that
together
and
I
try
to
do
what's
appropriate
in
managing
the
officers
that
are
on
the
street.
H
W
So
now
you
got
you,
we
got
rid
of
the
commander
position
so
far,
because
no,
we
can't
feel
it
that's
a
vacancy
that
we
have
in
our
organizational
chuck
and
the
reason
is
like
that
is
because
we're
in
a
temporary
12-hour
shift,
which
has
four
aspects
to
it.
You
got
the
aid
day
shift
a
night
shift.
W
You
got
b
day
shift
and
b
night
shift,
so
you
require
four
commanders.
I
move
one
of
those
commanders
that
would
normally
have
managed
the
office
of
professional
standards
and
the
one
that
managed
the
net
unit.
I
moved
them
down
to
patrol
and
the
other
one
was
put
on
freeze
when
dennis
leakes
left.
So
if
we
stay
on
a
12
hour
shift,
we're
gonna
need
to
fix
those
two
positions
or
or
live
with
what
we
have
now
for
efficiency.
W
I
like
to
have
a
police
commander
in
ops,
even
though
that
spanner
control
is
limited
to
two
sergeants
and
a
commander,
but
it's
about
being
able
to
order
people
of
lesser
rank
to
be
able
to
fulfill
the
mission
of
discipline.
Now,
for
if
a
deputy
chief
needs
discipline,
I'm
gonna
deal
directly
with
that
myself.
F
F
K
M
If
you
look
at
that
last
paragraph,
there's
two
bullets
in
that
paragraph
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
the
police
department,
we
completed
an
internal
review
of
our
policy
with
our
use
of
experts
within
a
department
and
based
on
that
internal
review.
We
did
come
up
with
some
recommendations.
M
Those
recommendations
will
be
some
key
additions
to
the
policy
that
will
minimize
or
seek
to
minimize
use
of
force
incidents,
enhance
some
decision
makers,
capabilities
for
the
officers
and
then
provide
more
continuous
training
throughout
the
year
on
use
of
force.
So.
W
And
that's
where
soledad
mcgrath
she's
a
lawyer
over
at
the
n3
and
also
with
andrew
papa
christos,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
sociology
department.
There.
M
So
I
believe
for
the
completion
of
those
steps,
I
believe
the
90
days
is
september.
M
I
want
to
say
six
or
seven
we
plan
to
have
a
report
back
based
on
our
conversations
with
dr
papa
crystal
and
his
staff.
We
plan
to
have
a
report
back
by
the
end
of
this
week
and
we
plan
to
have
this
item
up
for
discussion
for
the
entire
council
on
the
september
14th
council
meeting
and.
W
They're
going
to
look
at
our
general
orders
in
a
post
george
floyd
perspective:
are
we
being
progressive
enough
in
mitigation
of
situations.
M
A
W
A
You
all
right
committee,
anything
else
and
I
I
think
maybe
I
think
we're
at
the
end
of
our
agenda.
Unless
alderman
fleming
did
you
have
any
questions
about
the
information
on
the
amiga
crisis
line
you
you'd.
J
H
Yeah,
so
that
there
was
a
report
in
here,
I
guess
my
question
is,
I
guess
director
of
ike
is
on
the
phone
who
can
answer
this
for
me.
So
if
I
look
at
our
contract,
which
is
145
thousand
dollars
trying
to
get
to
the
right
number
here,
it
looks
like
I
guess.
If
you
can
help
me
understand,
so
they
provide
24-hour
crisis
line.
If
anyone
can
call
them
variety
of
issues,
are
they
providing
like
ongoing
therapeutic
sessions
for
people.
U
Good
everyone,
this
is
ikobo,
that's
health
and
human
services
department.
Yes,
they
also
provided
a
document
that
I
attached,
which
illustrates
all
the
services
that
they
provided
one
quarters
they
submit
quality
reports
that
runs
from
january
to
march
and
march
to
june.
I
believe
in
those
reports
it
does
highlight
the
number
of
activities
that
they
performed
and
as
the
contract
stands,
it
is
their
responsibility
to
conduct
those
therapeutic
or
therapy
sessions
and
cancelling
the
mental
health
access
and,
if
so,
any
type
of
hospitalization
that
they
provide
such
services.
U
So
from
the
beginning
of
the
contract,
this
is
something
that
they
have
been
provided
and
I
believe
someone
from
amita
is
on
the
line.
I
can
defer
some
of
those
questions
too,
so
that
it
can
get
into
the
intricacies
of
therapeutically
providing
for
the
counseling
that
they
provide.
Is
anyone
from
a
media
online?
Yes,.
X
I'm
on
here
this
is
cindy
castro,
I'm
the
manager
of
the
outpatient
clinic.
We
do
provide
ongoing
therapy,
so
we
do
it.
We
do
some
of
it
at
the
library,
but
then
we
also
do
some
separately.
So
this
comes
through,
like
referrals,
that
we
get
through
the
city
or
just
what
we
would
consider
like
frequent
flyers.
Somebody
gets
identified
and
agreed
with
this
community
support.
Then
we
do
the
ongoing.
X
I
think
I
had
mentioned
in
a
previous
meeting
here,
where
I've
been
working
with
one
of
my
clients
since
pretty
much
like
the
first
year
of
the
contract.
So
I've
been
seeing
him
like
every
other
week
through
this
contract,
because
otherwise
he
would
not
be
able
to
afford
services,
or
we
could
probably
continue
calling
911.
So
we
do
offer
those
we
offer.
X
You
know
a
lot
of
case
management
or
even
really
assessment
and
then
try
to
link
them
to
the
appropriate
service,
because
it
might
not
be
us,
it
might
be
a
more
intensive
service.
So
then
we
would
then
partner
up
with
like
trilogy
pure
services
and
refer
them
to
them.
We
also
work
very
closely
with
our
connections
with
homeless
and
trying
to
make
those
those
connections
there.
Okay,.
H
And
so
what
is
your
capacity?
You
know,
I
assume
it's
a
24
hour
line,
and
so,
if
I
call-
and
I
get
you
cindy,
I'm
in
crisis-
maybe
I
only
want
to
talk
to
you.
So
it's
a
setup
that
I
could
just
kind
of
be
on
your
caseload
for
this
duration
of
six
years
and
then
kind
of.
X
X
The
crisis
line,
so
the
crisis
line
is
separate
right,
so
anybody
can
call
the
24-hour
crisis
line
and
get
that
immediate
support
for
going
in
terms
of
you
getting
on
the
case
with
that
separately.
That's
what
I
would
handle,
what
my
staff
would
handle
at
the
clinic,
so
this
is
pre-coded.
We
would
do
home
visits,
so
I
you
know
we
might
do
a
regular
therapy
session
at
somebody's
home
or
at
starbucks
or
they're,
more
than
welcome
to
come
to
our
clinic
whatever
feels
comfortable
for
them.
X
I
don't
think
we
really
ever
had
like
a
capacity
type
of
thing,
because
a
lot
of
the
individuals
that
we
get
are
very
chronic
and
they
sometimes
just
kind
of
like
either
go
to
a
different
service
or
they
stay
with
us.
I
have
a
couple
some.
We
were
up
to
a
point
that
we,
I
was
using
three
of
my
staff
to
do
these
services,
depending
on
where
we
were
at.
But
that's
why.
X
I
think
I
see
it
more
as
a
triage
and
then
we
keep
the
ones
that
just
can't
go
anywhere.
Else
are
just
not
ready
to
go
to
another
service,
because
we
also
get
those
where
it's
a
very
chronic
client,
where
they're,
just
not
in
acceptance
of
their
mental
illness.
So
they
would
never
go
to
another
agency,
but
because
we
present
ourselves
as
kind
of
like
a
community
to
support
and
we're
here
to
help
you
out
in
any
way
that
we
can
and
they
don't
see
it
as
an
official
therapy
session.
H
Okay
and
so
then
my
other
question
is
looking
at
the
report
that
you
give
to
cdbg.
It
looks
like
you
had,
let's
see
from
january
to
the
end
of
june
this
year,
53
new
evanston
calls
five
continuing
and
then
191
at
the
library
which
I
imagine
are,
can
just
be
one
quick
question
or
kind
of
a
more
long-standing
issue,
but.
D
H
Advisory
committee,
which
I
think
you're
wrong
for
the
mayor's
task
force,
who
probably
somewhere
from
media,
is
on
also
reports
some
numbers
here,
and
so
my
first
question
is:
do
people
need
do
they
have
to
identify
where
they're
from
when
they
call
you
all.
X
Well
for
us
to
track
them
on
our
crisis
line,
it
is
an
anonymous
line,
so
they
would
have
to
self-identify
as
an
evidence
in
resident
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
track
it
that
way,
so
we
might
get
a.
X
H
Yeah,
so
if
we're
paying
for
this
service
to
be
available
for
our
edmonton
residents,
yet
you
don't
have
to
identify
to
use
the
service.
So
I'm
trying
to
think
about
it.
From
a
budgetary
standpoint
before
we
had
the
contract,
where
people
were
just
able
to
call
and
use
the
service
anyway,
just
as
a
service
of
a
meet
up.
U
U
Asked,
and
if
you
go
down
that
list,
you
also
see
individuals
who
are
non
evanstonians,
and
these
are
individuals
who
we
provided
some
type
of
help
who
are
perhaps
homeless,
with
an
unknown
resident.
And
of
course,
given
that
we
are
located
at
the
library,
some
of
our
employees
are
they've,
been
participating
in
the
program
as
well
as
far
as
the
24
crisis
line.
U
U
So
it
is
kind
of
hard
to
streamline
exactly
how
many
evanston
residents
who
are
calling
that
line.
But
as
far
as
we
know,
over
70
individuals
have
used
that
line
to
identify
themselves
as
everson
resident
during
this
period.
H
Okay,
well,
I
I
would
love
to,
I
guess,
get
a
better
understanding.
So
if
the
line
is
functioning
and
it's
just
the
service
of
a
media
as
a
community
benefit,
you
know
to
the
community
they
serve,
because
I
think
when
I
looked
on
the
turning
point
website,
you
were
there
also
list
media
as
this
24-hour
line
as
an
option.
I
think
when
their
living
room
program
is
closed
and
so.
X
I
guess
we
have
a
contract,
we
have
a
contract
with
turning
points,
so
we
provide
the
after
hour
line
for
them,
thanks
for
them.
Okay,.
H
Yes,
I
guess
I
just
and
I'll
think
some
more
of
what
I'm
looking
to
say
here.
I
guess,
if
it's
you
don't
have
to
identify,
I
want
the
service
to
be
available
for
everything
residents,
but
I'm
trying
to
just
really
figure
out
how
our
dollars
are
being
utilized.
If
anyone
can
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
that's
that's
great,
but
to
make
sure
that
you
know
as
we're
paying
that
our
our
citizens
are,
you
know
being
fully
serviced.
I
guess
is
that
I
think.
X
They'll,
attach
to
that
too,
when
it
came
into
the
contract,
was
that
if
they
would
call
the
crisis
line,
they
do
identify.
They
do
get
this
program
offered.
So
then
we
would
get
the
follow-up
of
it
so
that
our
crisis
workers
would
get
their
information
and
they'll
pass
that
along
to
our
clinic.
So
that
was.
X
Step
that
was
also
covered
through
the
contract,
okay
and
then
through.
I
would
get
the
direct
referral
from
the
crisis
line
once
they
agree
right
and
they
give
consent.
Then
I
would
get
the
information
up
and
identify
themselves
as
a
result
and
they
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
this
program,
and
then
we
would
do
the
follow-up
within
24
to
48
hours.
We'll
do
that.
You
know
kind
of
warm
handoff
or
we
would
follow
up
either
by
phone
or
with
a
visit
on
continuing
those
services.
X
T
I
could
go
back
and
look
at
that
data
by
looking
at
the
actual
documentation
for
each
of
the
call
calls,
because,
typically
when
we
are
doing
the
tracking
we're
counting
the
calls
and
not
necessarily
going
in
the
note
in
the
note
itself
to
see
if,
if
the
police
had
been
called
as
as
the
manager,
I
am
available
to
ask
if
or
any
questions,
and
I
can
say
that
I
don't
recall
right
now-
of
staff
calling
and
asking
for
consultation
if
police
should
be
called
should
be
called
for
a
resident.
R
H
So
it
would
be
if
it's,
if
it's
not,
if
you
have
the
chance
or
if
it's
information,
that's
accessible,
I
would
love
to
have
an
idea
of
how
often
you
are
getting
calls
in
which
you're
then
calling
the
police
to
go
out,
because
obviously
we
want
to
move
those
people
to
another
service
which
we'd
make
you
aware
of
whenever
we
get
it
up
and
running.
But
I
think
that
would
be
good
information
for
us
to
know
if
our
service,
you
know,
if
we
have
a
gap
there,
even
as
we
have
this
crisis
line
available.
T
Yes-
and
I
can
definitely
look
into
that-
and
get
back
to
you
about
that-
I
also
did
want
to
mention
about
agencies.
Having
a
with
our
crisis
line
is
that
in
turn,
people
have
been
able
to
apply
for
grants
by
saying
that
they
have
access
to
a
24-hour
crisis
line,
and
I
know
I
had
been
working
with
somebody
from
a
while
back
regarding
a
grant.
Specifically
that
was
connected
to
things.
X
Okay,
thank
you
yeah
the
crisis
line.
It's
almost
like.
If
you
look
at
the
contra,
because
technically
you
can
see
it
as
like
a
bonus
to
the
program.
So
it's
not
that
the
funding
is
directly
going
to
the
prices
sign.
The
fund
is
going
to
the
workers
that
are
providing
the
services
at
the
library
and
also
us
doing
the
community
support.
X
So
the
crisis
line
is
just
like
a
bonus
to
all
of
this
so
like,
if
I'm
being
transparent,
the
the
money's
not
actually
going
to
sybil's
crisis
line
that
she
manages
is
going
to
the
workers
that
are
actually
doing
the
work.
So
if
you
can
see
it
that
way
as
well,
I
know
that
now
recently
it's
been
promoted
a
little
bit
more.
X
They
have
it
on
the
edison
care
network
and
I
think
that
we're
working
on-
and
you
know,
with
audrey
in
terms
of
putting
the
crisis
line
as
a
prompt
when
they
call
3-1-1
for
people
to
be
able
to
call
through
one
and
then
be
able
to
have
access
to
the
crisis
lines.
I'm
not
sure
where
that's
at
at
this
point,
but
that's
also
something
that
you
know.
It's
in
the
works.
H
Yeah,
that
might
be
something
up,
but
speaking
about
facts
of
the
library.
If
you
can
cindy
ask
the
library,
social
worker,
if
she's,
also
able
to
pull
together
any
kind
of
numbers
around
when
she
has
to
engage
with
police
right
and
she
speaks
from
the
library
and
then
she
has
to
then
call
the
police,
because
of
whatever
reason
that
would
be
helpful.
Oh.
X
Yeah,
I
can
get
that
and
it's
probably
been.
Maybe
I
supervise
her,
so
I
think
we've
had.
It
hasn't
even
been
her
calling,
I
think,
because
a
lot
of
the
times
we
partner
with
the
security
at
the
library.
So
it's
then
at
that
point,
sometimes
the
securities
call
to
to
call
the
police.
So
I
want
to
say
if
it
was
just
christina
calling
the
police
and
minecraft
in
just
once.
H
A
Great,
thank
you
all
right
committee.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.