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A
A
This
is
the
September
6
2023
special
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
the
full
City
Council
Ms
Jones.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
A
A
So,
with
eight
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff.
Our
neighborhood
and
land
use
planner
Megan
Jones,
our
acting
City
attorney
Alex
rookie.
We
also
have
a
number
of
other
staff
who
are
floating
around
currently
helping
coordinate
things:
zoning
administrator,
Melissa,
klotz
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams
and
our
community
development
director
Sarah
flax.
A
This
is
a
formal
hearing.
There
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
in
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant.
After
that,
person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
A
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing
when
all
supporting
an
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard.
The
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
a
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
A
The
commission
will
make
a
formal
finding
a
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
our
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
C
A
D
I've
got
a
couple
comments
on
2017
Jackson.
It
says
that
commissioner
Hallock
suggested
moving
the
walk
one
foot.
Actually
it's
the
wall,
one
foot,
so
that's
one
correction
and
then,
in
terms
of
it
says
that
I
made
a
motion
and
I
also
seconded
the
motion,
which
can't
be
right.
That's.
A
E
F
A
Any
opposed
anybody
who
was
not
here
who
has
to
abstain.
No,
so
that's
an
eight
to
zero.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
we
get
into
tonight's
agenda.
I
have
a
whole
another
little
intro
that
I
want
to
read
specifically
relating
to
tonight,
I'd
like
to
first
start
by
thanking
so
many
members
of
the
public
for
showing
up
and
more
importantly,
I,
would
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
public
who
took
the
advice
that
was
given
and
submitted
online
comments.
A
This
commission
received
over
700
Pages
from
last
week
and
just
this
evening
before
we
began,
we
received
another
134
that
have
come
in
over
the
past
five
days,
so
we
we
have
had
an
opportunity
to
look
through
the
first
batch,
the
second
batch
we
haven't
gotten
through
yet
just
based
on
the
number
of
of
pages
and
the
the
amount
of
time
that
was
given
to
us.
A
We
got
that
at
five
o'clock
today,
but
we
will
make
our
way
through
that
it
has
been
stated
and
I
believe
fully
that
we
will
have
several
meetings
on
this.
So,
by
the
time
we
reconvene,
all
of
the
Commissioners
will
have
had
the
opportunity
to
look
through
that
134
Pages,
as
well
as
any
additional
comments
that
come
in
between
now
and
when
we
continue
the
case
too.
If
that
is
if
that,
indeed
is
the
is
what
happens?
A
The
hearing
is
predicted
to
take
probably
about
three
nights
to
make
best
use
of
everyone's
time.
I've
consulted
with
staff
and
his
chair
have
sort
of
adopted
the
kind
of
General
outline
for
our
meetings.
Again.
All
of
this
is
going
to
be
flexible
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
people
who
are
speaking.
This
is
a
very
important
subject
and
lots
of
people
want
to
be
heard
tonight.
We
will
hear
the
initial
presentation
by
the
applicant,
which
is
Northwestern
in
this
case.
A
A
It
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair
as
to
how
much
time
to
Grant
on
the
chair
is
granting
10
minutes
to
each
of
those
Community
groups
that
has
that
has
off
or
has
asked
to
be
heard
and
again
each
one
of
those
will
be
followed
by
a
period
of
questioning
by
the
commission
I'm
asking
all
Commissioners
to
please
hold
comments
during
the
initial
presentation,
so
we
can
get
people
through
their
10
minutes
without
having
to
be
interrupted.
A
Also
this
evening
the
commission
will
hear
any
requested
continuances
in
accordance
with
our
rules,
the
rules
state
that
the
request
must
be
in
writing
and
specify
the
particular
reason
that
a
continuance
is
being
asked
for
due
to
the
predicted
times
to
complete
the
presentations
outlined
above.
We
will
try
to
take
as
much
public
comment
as
we
can
this
evening,
but
in
looking
at
the
time,
it'll
probably
be
11
o'clock,
11
30.
Before
we
get
to
public
comment,
we
will
hear
from
the
public.
A
A
The
land
use
commission
will
reconvene
on
this
matter
if
it
is
continued
on
Wednesday
September
27th
at
7
pm.
At
that
meeting,
we
will
continue
to
hear
any
public
comment
and
resolve.
Any
issues
that
have
been
raised
from
the
continuances
Northwestern
will
also
have
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
questions
that
are
raised
during
public
testimony
during
that
time.
If
we
do
have
to
go
to
a
third
meeting
that
will
be
on
October
11th
and
at
that
meeting
we
will
tie
up
any
of
the
Loose
Ends.
A
We
have
as
well
as
asking
the
university
to
make
its
closing
statement,
and
then
this
commission
will
begin
its
deliberations.
Our
deliberations
are
in
public.
You
can
sit
and
watch
as
we
discuss
what
we've
heard,
what
we
think
our
feelings
are
on
different
things
and
how
the
standards
apply
to
those
a
little
bit
on
topics
of
discussion.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
news
in
the
Press.
A
We
will
not
be
taking
any
testimony
on
northwestern's
tax
status.
We
do
not
have
the
ability
to
change
that
that
was
decided
in
a
state
Charter
in
1851,
it's
been
supported
by
the
United
States
Supreme
Court
and
the
Illinois
state
supreme
court.
A
lowly
land
commission
cannot
override
the
highest
justices
in
this
in
this
country,
but
similarly,
any
discussion
about
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
would
have
to
be
negotiated
between
city,
council
and
Northwestern.
That
is
not
something
that
this
commission
has
the
ability
to
do.
A
A
And
finally,
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
a
recent
meeting
between
the
Nu
Evanston
committee
and
what
has
happened
in
terms
of
some
legal
motions
that
were
made
in
court
again.
That
is
something
that
is
at
City
council's
doorstep,
not
at
this
at
this
juncture
and
will
be
addressed
through
the
law,
department
and
or
city
council.
A
A
One
last
thing
that
I
would
ask
is
to
be
respectful
of
everyone
in
the
room.
We
all
are
mostly
evanstonians,
although
we
have
a
number
of
our
of
our
neighbors
from
Wilmette
who
also
have
joined
us
this
evening,
but
we
all
do
live
in
this
community
together
and
we
can
have
different
opinions
without
being
antagonistic
towards
each
other.
So
I
appreciate
that
as
well.
B
23
plnd-0010
is
the
zoning
text.
Amendment
and
Northwestern
University
request
a
text
amendment
to
this
zoning
ordinance,
section
61572
permitted
uses
to
modify
the
list
of
fermented
uses
in
the
U2
University
athletic
facilities,
District
and
conditions
required
for
public
facing
concerts.
No
changes
are
proposed
to
the
U2
District
boundaries.
The
land
use
commission
is
the
recommended
body
for
this
case,
and
the
city
council
is
the
determining
body
in
accordance
with
section
6346
of
the
Evanston
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92021.
A
A
From
Northwestern
who
may
be
speaking
to
us
on
this
tonight,
to
please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
our
firm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
All
right?
Thank
you.
So
I
don't
know
who's
taking
the
lead
here,
but
I'll
ask
you
to
come
up
to
the
lectern
and
introduce
yourself
to
us.
G
All
right
good
evening,
commissioner,
chairman
Rogers
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Dave
Davis
and
I
serve
as
a
university
senior
executive
director
for
neighborhood
and
community
relations.
I
also
would
like
to
greet
our
neighbors
nearby,
the
stadium,
as
well
as
our
neighbors
moment
that
are
here
today
so
today,
we're
here
to
discuss
the
future
of
Evanston
a
future
that
can
be
filled
with
unprecedented
economic
growth,
cultural
enrichment
and
educational
advancement
all
through
the
rebuilding
of
Ryan
Field.
G
Hey
folks,
that's
me
so
again:
Dave
Davis,
Senior,
executive,
director
of
neighborhood
and
community
relations
at
Northwestern
University.
Thank
you
again,
chairman
Rogers
esteem
Commissioners
for
alumnus
and
opportunity
to
present
before
you
today.
G
G
This
thing
is
not
working.
Okay.
Now,
in
response
to
concerns
about
the
impact
of
this
project
on
the
neighborhood
and
quality
of
life,
let's
add
a
little
bit
of
perspective.
Our
new
stadium
will
actually
have
fewer
seats
than
the
current
one.
12
000
fewer
seats
to
be
exact,
and
let's
not
forget
that,
through
our
partnership
with
the
city
of
evanston's
police
department,
we
do
a
pretty
good
job
managing
large
events.
G
Many
of
these
events
took
place
at
the
UT
District
in
wall
Shrine
Arena,
and
they
were
all
managed
professionally,
with
minimal
impact
on
the
neighborhood.
These
concerts
aren't
just
for
and
entertainment.
Northwestern
has
a
storied
history
of
Bridging,
the
Arts
and
academic
and
binding
the
rigor
of
scientific
inquiry
with
artistic
expression.
That
is
not
a
detour
from
our
mission,
that's
the
manifestation
of
it
Commissioners.
What
we
have
here
is
a
severely
underutilized
asset.
G
We
use
Ryan
Field,
just
two
percent
of
the
year,
two
percent
imagine
owning
the
car
and
leaving
it
in
your
garage
for
98
of
the
year.
What
we're
proposing
is
a
modest
increase
to
3.5
percent
utilization
by
adding
just
Six
concerts,
and
the
best
part
about
this
is
that
the
new
Ryan
Field
will
be
entirely
privately
funded.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
No
taxpayer
dollar
would
be
used
to
build
a
new
stadium.
G
We
are
set
to
become
the
only
new
power,
five
football
stadium,
this
Century
built
without
one
dime
from
taxpayers
and
on
the
subject
of
collective
benefits.
Allow
me
to
highlight
what's
at
stake
tonight,
our
new
Ryan
Field
is
a
800
million
dollar
ticket
to
economic
Prosperity,
with
35
dedicated
to
local
minority
and
women-owned
businesses.
That's
208
million
dollars
that
we
plan
to
spend
locally
and
with
women
and
minority-owned
businesses.
On
top
of
that,
we're
looking
at
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
in
incremental
tax
revenues.
G
At
a
time
when
a
City
of
Evanston,
as
you
know,
is
facing
a
20
million
dollar
budget
deficit
by
the
year
2025
and
which
excites
me,
we
just
announced
last
week
a
partnership
with
rebuilding
exchange
to
develop
a
city-wide
Workforce
Development
training
program
that
will
equip
residents
with
future
proof
skills
so
that
they'll
be
prepared
to
work
on
not
just
the
Ryan
feel
project,
but
every
future
Capital
development
project
in
Evanston
going
forward.
This
is
why
nearly
3
000
Evanston
residents
have
signed
a
petition
expressing
their
support
for
for
this
project.
G
Let
me
repeat:
three
thousand
verifiable:
Evanston
residents
have
signed
the
petition
voicing
their
support
for
the
project
and
the
majority
of
the
business
associations
you'll
hear
from
one
tonight,
which
collectively
represent
hundreds
of
local
business
owners
all
back
this
project.
If
we
don't
seize
this
opportunity,
we
stand
to
lose
all
these
Monumental
benefits.
We
emphasize
we
empathize
sorry
with
our
concerned.
Neighbors
and
I
assure
you
that
we're
here
to
address
their
worries.
G
That's
why
we've
brought
a
team
of
experts
with
us
from
Across
the
Nation
who
will
spend
the
rest
of
tonight
explaining
the
design
of
the
stadium
and
how
we
plan
to
mitigate
the
legitimate
concerns
that
we've
heard.
So,
let's
embark
on
this
transformative
journey
together,
which
are
invaluable
input
and
Community
Partnership,
we
aim
to
make
Evanston
the
epitome
for
the
University
and
Community
can
achieve
together.
G
Our
vision
is
not
just
the
Field
of
Dreams,
it's
a
field
of
opportunity,
a
center
of
economic,
cultural
Synergy
that
sets
a
gold
standard
for
our
city
and
an
institution
can
symbiotically
thrive.
Thank
you,
Commissioners,
and
we
look
forward
to
a
robust
conversation
now
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
first
presenter
Daryl
Nielsen
from
hntb.
H
H
A
Going
to
enter
an
introject
here,
just
a
second
all
right
we're
going
to
take
another
brief
problem
here.
Two
of
our
overflow
rooms
are
having
sound
issues,
so
we're
going
to
relocate
them
up
to
the
fourth
floor,
where
the
sound
is
working
so
bear
with
us
for
just
a
second
and
we'll
we'll
we'll
go
back
on
the
record
in
just
a
couple
minutes.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
A
Thank
you
again
for
your
patience.
We
seem
to
have
relocated
people
up
to
the
fourth
floor.
From
the
second
floor,
the
chairs
decided
to
add
a
couple
minutes
back
onto
your
time,
just
because
of
all
the
chaos
involved
here
so
you're,
starting
at
25
minutes
at
this
point
so
go.
H
Ahead
and
resume
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
So
to
talk
about
design,
you
need
to
start
talking
about
the
existing
Stadium.
It's
an
open-air
structure.
I
field
is
that
grade.
47
000
fans,
it's
one
of
the
oldest
stadiums
in
the
nation
that
has
not
undergone
a
major
modernization
project.
That's
significant!
H
What's
also
significant,
is
the
design
as
it
is
today.
You
see
an
enclosure,
a
canopy
on
all
sides,
we've
lowered
the
field
which
also
lowers
the
height
of
the
overall
Stadium
and,
as
Dave
mentioned,
the
reduced
capacity.
Well,
lowering
that
field
also
put
nearly
40
percent
of
the
fans
below
grade
containing
that
sound
within
the
stadium.
H
The
existing
Stadium
sits
really
very
close.
Those
South
and
West
facades
to
the
adjacent
streets,
a
placement
of
the
new
stadium,
rotates
it
to
alleviates
and
create
greater
distance
between
those
streets
and
the
facade
does
a
lot
of
things
for
the
for
the
the
project
and
the
development
site,
but
primarily
it
creates
that
open
space
for
the
community
year
round.
H
There
you
go.
Thank
you,
so
you
know
flexible
year-round,
use,
that's
a
very
sustainable
approach
to
a
property
like
this,
but
other
sustainable
initial
sustainability
initiatives
are
taking
place
as
well.
The
design
team
is
focused
on
a
lead
gold,
gold
design.
Here
you
know
the
existing
Ryan
Field
very
inefficient,
very
an
energy
hog,
the
new
design,
high
performance,
mechanical
systems,
mechanical
electrical
we've
also
put
the
sport
sliding
up
underneath
the
canopy
instead
of
on
poles.
H
H
The
other
aspect
of
the
design
that
we're
concentrating
on
is
Universal
Design,
that
is
going
Beyond
well
beyond
the
ADA
requirements
and
looking
at
it
as
a
very
inclusive
design
for
all
to
experience
the
venue-
and
that
starts
with
the
site:
public
transportation,
drop-off
locations,
accessible,
designated
parking
spaces.
The
design
has
200
percent
of
the
required
accessible
parking
spaces
allocated
for
this
design.
H
Also,
the
the
route
next
slide,
please
the
route
from
the
accessible
parking
to
the
stadium.
The
slope
is
never
greater
than
two
percent
that
entire
Traverse
of
that
path.
Most
people
can't
even
perceive
slope
until
it
gets
to
three
percent.
So
it's
very
significant.
It's
going
to
feel
like
it's
on
grade
the
entire
way
next
slide,
please
and
then
with
those
that
the
field
field
lowered
the
main
Concourse
is
that
great,
so
every
entry
is
an
accessible
entry,
so
you
can
enter
at
any
point
and
circulate
360
Degrees
around
that
Concourse.
H
It
allows
us
to
put
accessible
seating
at
every
location
around
that
main
Concourse.
We
also
have
the
same
ability
to
do
that,
we're
doing
that
at
the
upper
Concourse
and
at
the
field
level.
So
we
have
a
hundred
and
seventy
percent
of
the
accessible
seating
locations
that
are
required
in
this
design
and
then
the
other
thing
is
vertical:
Transportation
the
existing
Stadium
utilizes
ramps,
which
are
not
usually
always
that
easy
to
navigate
we've
paired
elevators
throughout
all
those
red
boxes
or
elevators
and
they're,
always
in
pairs.
H
H
We've
also
increased
the
size
of
them
well
beyond
the
Illinois
plumbing
code,
or
decreases
the
distance
between
your
seat
and
that
restroom
and
then
also
decreases
the
time
you're
spending
in
that
line,
and
then
we've
coupled
that
with
family
toilets
all
throughout
the
facility,
so
that
anybody
that
needs
discretion
or
assistance
can
have
that
opportunity
within
this
Stadium
next
slide.
Please.
I
H
So
what
that
does
is
that
it's
a
holistic,
design
right
so
Universal
Design
means
inside
and
out
everything
is
designed
as
a
whole.
It
makes
it
more
Equitable,
more
flexible
and
more
intuitive
to
use
as
a
patron
and
as
the
General
Public.
H
J
Good
evening
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
time.
I'm
humbled
to
be
here
the
words
of
my
colleagues,
an
expert
I've
spent
30
years
in
the
sports
venue
management
space.
A
great
portion
of
that
was
working
for
working
directly
for
a
company
that
provided
direct
operations,
Consulting
on
stadiums,
management
of
stadiums
and
nearby
Soldier
Field
is
one
of
those
examples.
J
I
worked
on
that
project
20
years
ago,
when
that
was
being
renovated,
I'm
happy
to
be
working
with
caicon,
who
currently
is
a
owner's
rep
and
partnering,
with
Northwestern
University
on
this
project,
I'm
here
to
speak
to
concerts
and
speak
a
little
bit
about
what
might
be
expected,
what
the
industry
and
how
the
industry
works
with
venue
operators
and
help
answer
any
questions
that
I
may
and
on
this
matter
next
slide,
please
I
I
would
like
to
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
flippant,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that,
because
of
the
size
of
the
stadium,
in
my
professional
opinion,
we
are
not
going
to
see
acts
super
mega,
X
like
sorry
microphone
sliding,
we
will
not
be
seeing
Mega
concerts
like
Taylor,
Swift
or
Metallica,
or
Guns
and
Roses.
J
J
After
a
concert.
All
of
that
would
fall
into
that
concert
management
plan
that
would
be
put
together
at
some
time
in
the
future
through
a
collaborative
effort.
In
my
experience
in
my
30
years
in
the
space
working
in
other
Collegiate,
Properties
or
other
new
other
communities,
that
was
always
Cornerstone
to
a
successful
operation,
but
this
venue
would
serve
as
a
Community
Asset
and
serve
the
community
and
also
abide
by
the
community's
expectations
and
requirements.
That
is
not
not.
That
is
not
far
into
the
industry.
J
The
industry
is
well
versed
with
curfews
or
limitations
on
access
and
control
or
Logistics
I'd
be
happy
to
go
through
those
at
the
commissions,
the
Commissioners
interest,
so
having
gone
through
a
little
bit
of
what
might
play
what
types
of
Acts,
what
size
of
X,
the
duration
and
and
the
use
of
the
the
stadium
it
all
culminates
with.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Peter
lemon
I'm,
a
transportation
engineer
with
Kim
Lee
horn
I.
Just
take
a
few
minutes
to
walk
through
with
you
some
of
the
key
Transportation
elements
of
the
plan.
Next
slide,
please
and
start
that
I'm
going
to
kind
of
start
with
some
comparison
of
characteristics
between
football
related
events
that
we're
all
familiar
with
and
concert
events
so
Dave
talked
earlier
about.
The
change
in
capacity
from
47
to
35
concerts
would
have
even
a
lower
capacity
of
28.5.
K
We
talked
about
times
so
Saturdays
for
football
games.
Typically
Saturday
late
morning,
early
afternoon,
concerts
more
weekday
nights
weekend,
nights,
pre-event
conditions
for
football,
the
traffic
and
arrivals
are
more
spread
out
tailgating.
You
know
Lots
open
three
to
four
hours
before
kickoff
for
concerts.
It's
also
spread
out
pre-show
dinners.
You
have
opening
acts.
Some
people
come
for
that
act.
Some
people
filter
in
over
the
course
leading
up
to
the
to
the
main
act.
Post
post
event,
Sports
and
football
are
typically
related
a
lot
of
times
to
how
the
game
is
going.
K
K
The
ambient
background
traffic
levels
are
significantly
less
than
what
they
are
before
the
concert
started
or
typically,
when
we
see
football
games
next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
parking
for
football
games,
we're
familiar
with
people
parking
on
site
in
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
entrepreneurial,
private
Lots
in
Camp
on
campus
in
downtown,
the
main
thing
for
concerts
is
no
neighborhood
event
parking.
So
that's
part
of
the
plan
is
to
restrict
parking
and
traffic
circulation
through
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
K
What
that
does
it
limits
the
parking
to
on-site
some
nearby
lots
that
would
probably
be
used
entrepreneurially
as
well
as
increase
in
campus
and
Downtown
parking,
offset
options,
people
access
football
games
via
car,
Transit,
walking,
biking
and
so
forth
concerts
would
be
very
similar
using
the
whole
range
of
modes.
However,
we
tend
to
see
increases
use
of
Transit
as
well
as
ride.
Share
next
slide
please.
K
So
this
is
a
graphic
representation
of
the
the
broader
area.
Some
of
the
key
elements
that
I
wanted
to
walk
through
I
mentioned
the
neighborhood
event
parking
restrictions.
You
know
this
is
different
than
what
happens
what's
been
happening
for
football,
and
it
also
leads
to
reduced
parking
in
the
stadium
area.
Reduced
parking
is
also
leads
to
then
reduced
traffic
that
you
see
in
the
immediate
area,
on
Central
Street
and
around
the
stadium
off-site
parking,
as
I
mentioned,
would
be
used
to
offset
the
the
reduced
parking
and
immediate
Stadium
area.
K
So
you
can
see
the
purple
and
blue
areas.
These
are
parking
locations,
garages
and
lots
both
downtown
as
well
as
on
campus.
This
distributed
parking
configuration
also
helps
to
broaden
the
traffic
impact
across
the
overall
Street
Network
and
doesn't
concentrate
it
so
much
on
the
Central
Street
area.
K
You
get
there
through
largely
through
a
mix
of
shuttle
bus
shuttle
services
so
similar
to
football
games.
There
would
be
shuttle
service.
We
would
see
more
shuttle
buses
used
for
concert
events
because
we
have
more
people
parking
off
site,
but
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
for
every
shuttle
bus,
that's
full
of
concert,
goers,
roughly
40
people.
It
equates
to
approximately
15
or
16
vehicles
that
aren't
traveling
in
that
immediate
area
around
the
stadium
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
the
transit
access.
So
you
can
see
to
the
West.
K
You
have
the
metro
station
to
the
east.
You
have
the
CTA
purple
line,
Ryan
Field,
there's
no
other
real
venue
of
its
size
in
the
Chicago
area.
That
has
served
this
approximate
to
multiple
of
Rail
options.
Ravinia
has
Metra,
Wrigley
has
CTA,
reinfield
has
both
and
we
would
intend
to
leverage
that
to
its
maximum
ability.
We've
had
conversations
with
both
Metro
and
Pace
about
ways
to
further
promote
use
of
Transit,
as
well
as
operational
discussions
about
how
to
increase
the
availability
of
Transit,
both
during
the
pre
and
post
event,
Peaks
and
then.
K
Finally,
the
manual
control
of
intersections
we've
identified
similar
to
football
games
about
12
different
locations
where
police
and
traffic
control
Personnel
can
manually
control
intersections.
The
traffic
signals
deal
with
in
real
time
and
adapt
to
queuing
congestion,
facilitating
safe
pedestrian,
Crossings,
facilitating
emergency
vehicle
access
and
enforcing
the
different
temporary
traffic
controls
on
the
surrounding
streets.
Next
slide,
please.
K
Well,
I
can
go
ahead
and
kind
of
speak
to
what
it
is.
The
next
slide
talks
about
transportation
management
plan
so
think
of
it
as
an
operations
and
Logistics
plan
associated
with
all
the
details.
Around
parking
operations,
shuttle
operations,
the
the
locations
and
posts
of
of
traffic
control
and
police
Personnel
at
each
intersection,
where
they're
standing
what
their
role
is
and
what
their
emphasis
is,
all
the
logistics
that
go
into
operating
the
transportation
and
parking
conditions
around
an
event.
K
One
of
the
things
that
there's
kind
of
a
couple
key
aspects
of
that
we've
started:
development
of
that
through
stakeholder
engagement
with
Metro
pace
and
CTA,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
other
stakeholders
at
the
city
that
would
want
to
continue
to
engage
with
and
develop
that
plan.
The
other
thing
is:
oh
I,
don't
know.
What's
going
on
there,
yeah
great.
L
K
It's
floating
away,
the
the
other,
that's
really
weird
the
other.
The
other
aspect
of
the
transportation
management
plan
is
a
dynamic
plan,
so
things
change
and
evolve
over
time.
K
If
we
were
doing
the
stadium
project
15
years
ago,
we
wouldn't
be
talking
about
Uber
and
Lyft,
but
things
change
over
time
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
adapting
the
plan
so
each
year,
once
or
twice
each
year
meet
with
the
city
and
Community
stakeholders
what's
been
working
well,
what
needs
to
change
and
how
do
we
tackle
that
moving
forward
each
year
so
that
it's
a
living
and
breathing
document
and
the
final?
The
final
slide,
which
is
two
slides
from
now,
is
really
about.
K
We've
heard
some
feedback
and
questions
about
emergency
response,
and
so
there
is
a
Central
Command
Center
at
Ryan
Field,
now
for
kind
of
all
the
different
emergencies
and
First
Responders
that
go
is
coordinated
through
that
for
football
games.
That
would
continue
for
concert
events,
there's
other
content,
experts
that
are
here
that
can
speak
to
more
details
than
I
I
cannot.
But
the
other
thing
is
during
our
observations
of
various
football
games,
last
fall
and
over
time
that's
one
of
the
things.
We've
always
noticed.
K
It's
one
of
the
things
that
really
actually
works
well
with
the
police.
Control
of
intersections
is
approaching
ambulances
and
approaching
fire
trucks
during
pre
and
post
event
conditions.
They
communicate
well.
They're
communicating
Downstream,
we've
seen
multiple
ambulances
and
fire
trucks,
especially
with
Evanston
Hospital
in
the
in
the
fire
station
just
down
the
street
on
Central,
be
able
to
navigate
through
through
Central
Street
and
through
that
Corridor.
It's
also
enabled
by
the
parking
that's
restricted
on
Central
Street,
so
there's
places
for
cars
to
pull
over
and
let
a
quick
passage
of
those
Vehicles.
M
We
first
started
by
defining
a
standard,
ISO
9613
as
the
method
for
calculating
attenuation
of
sound
to
predict
the
sound
levels
at
a
distance
from
the
stadium.
Iso
9613
describes
the
sound
propagation
for
known
sound
sources
under
meteorological
conditions,
which
are
favorable
for
sound
propagation.
This
is
a
common
standard
used
in
our
industry
and
is
utilized
in
the
environmental
software
that
we
use
to
predict
these.
M
M
Specifics,
excuse
me,
so,
let's
discuss
the
model
inputs.
The
stadium
has
incorporated
many
inter
intentional
Design
Elements,
which
reduce
sound
transmission
to
the
Community
First.
As
Darren
mentioned,
the
stadium
event
level
is
20
foot
below
grade.
This
helps
reduce
the
amount
of
building
that
is
open
to
the
environment,
which
reduces
the
amount
of
sound
which
can
enter
the
surrounding
community.
M
Second,
the
semi-enclosed
perimeter
of
the
building
structure
above
grade
and
the
roof
canopy
are
intentionally
designed
to
narrow
the
aperture
through
which
sound
can
be
emitted
to
the
environment,
which
too
will
also
limit
the
amount
of
Sound
Energy
impacting
the
community.
Third,
a
distributed
sound
system
is
designed
to
reduce
the
distance
from
sound
sources
to
the
audience.
This
allows
further
control
to
deliver
sound
to
the
intended
audience
and
reduce
levels
emitted
to
the
surrounding
community.
M
For
the
concert
analysis,
we
include
the
following
specific
parameters
into
the
sound
model.
Thank
you.
First,
the
anticipated
concert
setup
includes
a
stage
on
the
south
end
of
the
field,
with
line
arrays
as
the
source.
Each
of
these
line
arrays
are
set
at
56
foot
above
the
playing
field.
Second,
a
typical
frequency
spectrum
was
used
for
the
types
of
concerts
anticipated
at
Ryan
Field,
which
Michael
mentioned
were
smaller
and
Festival
Style,
pop
and
rock
shows.
M
M
So
what
do
these
noise
levels
mean,
and
what
can
we
expect
for
reference?
We
want
to
start
by
looking
at
what
we're
currently
dealing
with
in
the
neighborhoods,
based
on
the
sound
survey
completed
by
Henderson,
the
average
ambient
in
the
neighborhoods
is
approximately
65
DBA
for
context.
This
is
the
noise
level
we
would
expect
in
a
busy
open
office
with
typical
conversations
occurring.
M
Game
Day
activities
increased
the
Ambient
sound
level
to
a
range
of
70
to
80
DBA,
and
these
include
sources
like
PA
crowd,
whistles
and
other
gameplay
activity
concerts
are
expected
to
be
up
to
or
expected
to
provide
noise
levels
up
to
75
DBA,
depending
on
the
location.
This
is
achievable
through
the
implementation
of
additional
sound
mitigation
strategies
at
the
North
End
Zone
areas
to
supplement
the
current
Stadium
configurations.
M
M
This
is
complicated
and
depends
on
the
construction
of
the
home,
but
the
US
Department
of
Herbert,
Housing
and
Urban
Development
assumes
that
the
standard
construction
of
a
house
provides
approximately
20
DB
of
noise
reduction
outside
to
indoor,
meaning
that,
if
you're
dealing
with
the
70
DBA
sound
level
outside,
you
could
expect
about
a
50,
DBA
interior
noise
level.
This
is
comparable
to
a
lot
of
refrigerators
and
washing
machines
that
we
would
see
in
in
the
residence
next
slide.
Please.
M
Questions
have
Arisen
regarding
the
use
of
DBA
versus
DBC
in
our
analysis,
so
why
do
we
keep
referencing
DBA
both
DBA
and
DVC
are
a
summation
of
Sound
Energy
across
the
audible
frequency
spectrum.
We
know
that
c
waiting
includes
low
frequency,
sound
energy
and
is
important
to
the
community
and
rightfully
so,
because
concerts
develop
or
produce
low
frequency.
M
Sound
DDA,
on
the
other
hand,
accounts
for
the
human
hearing
being
less
sensitive
to
low-pitched,
sounds
and
provides
a
better
measure
of
the
subjective
response
of
a
human
to
sound
due
to
human
ear
sensitivity,
governmental
Occupational,
Health
entities
such
as
the
World
Health,
Organization
ostra,
and
many
municipalities
utilize
the
a
weighted
scale
when
establishing
regulations
and
ordinances.
We
would
like
to
note
that
sound
levels
generated
by
the
concerts
will
not
create
dangerous
conditions
or
result
in
hearing
damage
or
loss
per
the
OSHA
standards
for
noise
exposure.
N
N
We
submitted
Northwestern
submitted
its
initial
tax
amendment
application
in
January
and
since
that
time,
as
Dave
mentioned,
we've
been
actively
engaging
with
the
community
and
stakeholders
to
refine
that
I
want
to
briefly
talk
about
what's
allowed
today
in
the
U2
district
and
what
major
changes
we're
proposing
to
that
right
now,
I
want
to
focus
on
two
things.
So
today
in
the
U2
District,
the
university
is
allowed
to
do
university-sponsored
activity
of
a
non-athletic
type,
including
musical
performances.
N
We're
also
allowed
to
do
up
to
seven
temporary
events
a
year
and
each
one
of
those
temporary
events
can
go
up
to
five
days
in
length.
What
we're
really
proposing
with
the
major
text.
Amendment
changes
are
two
things:
one
replacing
the
temporary
events
section
of
the
U2
District
zoning
with
Six
public-facing
concerts
and
then
two
adding
a
section
that
really
speaks
to
activating
the
space
for
programming
by
the
university
and
city
for
the
broader
community.
N
N
So,
first
thinking
about
the
beginning
of
the
calendar
year
and
the
emerges
into
spring
things
like
an
Easter
egg
hunt
at
Ryan
Field
moving
into
the
summer
before
the
end
of
the
University's
Academic
Year,
the
movie
Nights,
we
do
these
already.
Today,
we
had
a
movie
night
a
couple
weeks
ago
about
1800
people
in
attendance.
Continuing
events
like
that
the
new
stadium
will
have
artificial
turfs,
not
grass,
which
will
allow
us
to
use
more
activity
on
the
field.
N
This
is
what
the
university
means.
When
we
speak
about
60
days
of
community
programming
a
year,
we
don't
want
to
develop
this
solely
by
ourselves.
This
is
our
our
initial
idea,
but
our
next
slide.
Our
proposal
includes
a
commitment
to
enter
into
an
mou
with
the
city
and
as
part
of
that,
one
of
the
key
components
will
be
the
creation
of
a
new
community
advisory
Council.
That's
a
council
that
we
don't
want
to
just
address
and
solve
problems,
but
come
up
with
ideas
like
this
together.
That
will
benefit
the
community.
N
The
mou
will
also
address
some
of
the
other
concerns
we
have
tailgating
with
concerts,
we're
willing
to
commit
to
not
having
any
of
that
activity.
We'll
document
that,
in
an
mou,
advance
notice
of
events,
rules
concerning
alcohol
controls,
that'll
all
be
addressed
here-
and
you
heard
earlier
from
some
of
our
presenters
the
detailed
plans
around
concert,
management,
traffic
management
and
sustainability.
None
of
us
know
what
the
world's
going
to
look
like
10
20
30
years
from
now.
These
plans
will
evolve
over
time
as
the
world
around
us
changes,
and
we
learn
from
how
this
works.
N
The
last
slide,
I
want
to
touch
on
in
the
interest
of
time.
Dave
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
benefits
of
this
project.
Our
application
includes
the
public
benefits
that
we
see
associated
with
this
project
talked
about
some
of
them
here,
but
I
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
others.
First,
the
university
does
believe
that
this
will
generate
a
lot
of
activity
for
the
city,
including
new
revenue,
and
we're
willing
to
commit
to
that
and
guarantee
it
on
behalf
of
the
activity
in
this
new
stadium.
N
We
also
hear
a
lot
about
the
University's
support
of
the
schools.
We
do
a
lot
already.
We
have
great
fantastic
Partnerships
in
here
here
in
Evanston
locally
with
the
schools,
we've
got
an
idea
to
view
a
new
concert
ticket
surcharge
to
really
find
new
ways,
creative
ways
to
generate
support
for
the
school
district
and
then
last,
as
Dave
alluded
to
a
gift
from
the
Ryan
family,
to
really
support
Workforce,
Development
and
upskilling
here
in
Evanston
again
more
to
come.
G
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
George
Kissel
I'm,
the
president
of
okra
and
Kissel
Associates
I,
was
engaged
by
the
applicator
to
evaluate
The
Proposal.
With
respect
for
the
criteria
for
recommended
approval.
Before
this
board,
you
have
the
next
slide.
Please
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
within
the
sets
of
criteria
of
the
standards
for
approval
here
other
than
the
technical
Provisions.
I
They
generally
focus
on
whether
a
proposal
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
whether
it's
compatible
with
the
existing
development
pattern,
whether
there's
significant
undue
impacts
on
surrounding
existing
and
development
and
or
the
city
as
a
whole,
and
whether
there's
City
infrastructure,
both
in
terms
of
physical
components
as
well
as
services
to
accommodate
the
proposed
use.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
proposal
does
not
represent
a
change
in
use,
nor
is
it
a
significant
change
in
the
intensity
of
use.
I
It
involves
a
replacement
of
an
existing
stadium
with
a
smaller,
less
intense,
more
sensitively
designed
facility.
Ryan
Fields
was
existed
on
this
site
for
about
a
century,
since
1926
uses
have
evolved
steadily
and
steadily
expanded
over
time.
It's
involved
into
an
athletic
facilities,
campus
hosting
nearly
100
events
annually,
including
football
basketball,
baseball,
softball,
lacrosse,
volleyball
and
wrestling
with
nearly
half
of
that
occurring
at
night.
It's
also
holding
new,
hosted
numerous
concerts,
as
we've
seen
in
prior
testimony.
I
I
Next
slide,
please,
for
post
development
is
consistent
compatible
with
the
existing
development
pattern
in
the
area.
As
mentioned
earlier,
this
land
use
pattern
has
existed
for
nearly
a
century.
No
change
in
uses
proposed
in
the
stadium
again
is
smaller
and
more
sensitive
to
its
surrounding
context.
Next
slide,
please,
with
respect
to
impacts,
game
day,
conditions
are
familiar
and
have
been
adequately
addressed
in
terms
of
traffic,
Public,
Safety
and
other
situations
in
the
past.
The
additional
events
are
expected
to
be
similar
and
thus
there's
no
reason
to
believe
that
undue
negative
impacts
would
occur.
I
We're
going
to
hear
a
lot
of
conversation
coming
up
and
questions
regarding
the
impact
from
sound
propagation
from
concerts.
It
should
be
noted
that
many
of
the
standards
that
are
being
referenced
or
related
to
sound
exposure
are
intended
to
regulate
occupational
or
environmental
sound
sources.
These
standards
are
designed
to
protect
from
long-term,
relatively
constant
exposure
to
various
sound
pressure
levels
on
a
daily
basis.
That
is
not
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
concert.
I
There's
a
fundamental
difference
there
between
concert
and
entertainment,
sound
sources
that
occur
six
times
a
year
for
for
three
hours,
for
a
total
exposure
of
18
hours
annually,
Mr
Kessel
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
to
wrap
up.
Please
I
will
the
number
of
addition.
Events
is
modest,
and
while
there
are
many
that
cause
some
degree
of
inconvenience
for
the
immediately
adjacent
resident
Nations,
given
the
curfew,
limits
on
SPL
management
policies
and
past
experience,
there's
no
reason
to
believe
they
would
rise
to
the
level
of
significant
impacts.
I
The
bottom
line
is
that
every
land
use
has
impacts.
The
question
is
whether
the
impacts
on
the
immediate
neighborhood
are
mere
inconveniences
or
if
they
rise
to
the
level
of
significant
negative
impacts
such
as
they
affect
health,
safety,
welfare
or
property
values,
and
whether
those
impacts
are
offset
by
local
or
broader
public
benefits.
In
this
case,
it's
my
professional
opinion
that
the
impacts
are
minor.
Given
the
context,
they
will
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
health
safety,
welfare
property
values
that
they're
offset
by
the
resultant
public
benefits.
I
A
A
A
At
this
point,
we're
going
to
open
it
up
to
Commissioners
who
will
have
questions
for
the
applicant,
so
if
the
appropriate
person
would
quickly
make
their
way
to
the
lectern
when
a
question
is
asked,
I
know
that
we'll
probably
be
jumping
around
from
person
to
person,
so
I'm
just
going
to
start
at
this
end.
If
that's
fine
with
commissioner
Hallock.
D
Actually,
I'm
not
sure
my
questions
are
for
staff
or
for
the
applicant,
but
we're
dealing
with
two
separate
decisions
here,
and
one
of
them
is
the
special
use
which
Stadium
application,
and
that
is
separate
from
the
the
text
Amendment
for
the
concert.
So
on
the
stadium
application.
There
are
several
things
that
don't
comply
with
the
current
special
use
and
I'd
like
someone
to
go
through
just
to
get
this
out
of
the
way
to
go
through
each
one
of
those
non-compliance
and
tell
me
what
the
existing
condition
is.
D
In
other
words,
if
there
is
for
parking,
for
example,
fourth,
four:
four:
three:
six,
four
four
thousand
three
hundred
sixty
four
parking
spaces
are
required
by
zoning.
D
H
D
Thank
you
that
checks
off
one.
Let
me
just
go
through
these
hey.
You
want
to
stand
up
there,
I'm
good.
The
second
thing
is:
this
is
116
feet.
Tall
and
I
realized
that
the
that
the
existing
Stadium
one
part
of
it
goes
up
to
135
feet,
but
the
majority
I
believe
is
much
lower
than
116
feet.
Correct.
D
Okay,
and
what
is
that
number
do
you
know
what
the
existing
is?
I
read
it
and
I
can't
remember
what
it
is,
but
it's,
but
it's
significant.
The
majority
is
I
just
want
to
make
the
point.
Majority
is
significantly
lower
than
the
than
the
current
design.
That's
correct,
okay,
because
somebody
said
that
it
wasn't
and
I
I
don't
know
who
that
was,
but
regarding
the
buffers
which
is
another
request,
you
have
an
existing
buffer
of
16
foot
three
inches
at
the
Northeast
because
of
the
mechanical.
D
D
O
All
right
for
the
record
Katie
Jinky
Dale
zoning
Council
for
Northwestern,
so
that
is
correct
so
and
currently
they're
in
the
35
foot,
landscape
buffer
by
and
large,
doesn't
exist.
So
that
is
something
that
we're
adding
so
most
areas
around
the
stadium,
we're
bringing
it
into
compliance
except
for
in
those
areas.
P
O
And
then,
on
the
height
well,
overall,
in
many
areas
we're
going
to
be
increasing
the
height,
we're
still
below
the
maximum.
So
you'll
as
you
notice,
that's
not
a
development
launch
that
we're
seeking.
D
That's
true
you're
below
the
maximum,
okay
and
then
parking
I'm
going
through
these,
because
this
is
what
we
vote
on
so
parking
at
the
interior
side
yard
15
foot
required
you
guys
are
providing
six
foot
ten.
What's
existing.
O
D
Well,
those
are
the
things
that
are
exceptions
to
the
current
zoning.
We
should
know
the
answers
to.
D
O
C
E
My
first
one
really
is:
can
can
you
provide
some
details
on
the
anticipated
timeline
at
this
point,
specifically,
where
are
you
with
the
capital
campaign?
You
know
kind
of
the
overall
project.
Cost
I
understand
is
800
million.
How
much
is
in
place,
and
when
do
you
expect
to
have
the
funding
fully
in
place,
then?
The
second
kind
of
big
bucket
is
kind
of
the
final
engineering
design,
the
construction
management
plan
and
permitting
noting
that
you
have
to
get
permits
from
the
mwrd
so
kind
of.
E
What
is
that
timeline
going
to
look
like
and
then
finally
kind
of
Demolition
and
construction,
so
I
think
that
would
be
real
helpful
because
clearly,
when
some
of
the
reports
were
done,
you
know
they
were
submitted.
They
were
done
almost
year
ago,
and
you
know
there's
notes,
you
know
stating
that
you
anticipated
that
you'd
be
demolishing
the
existing
Stadium
in
December,
starting
in
December.
That
seems
a
little
ambitious
at
this
point.
Q
So
first
I
want
to
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Dan
lusbrock
I'm
senior.
Vice
president
with
caicon,
we
serve
as
the
owner's
rep
for
and
working
on
behalf
of
Northwestern
I
just
want
to
speak
to
some
of
the
questions
and
then
I'll
freely
admit,
I
didn't
hear
them
all,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
majority
of
them.
So
so,
first
off
our
initial
plan
is
to
begin
demolition
in
December.
That
process
will
take
several
months.
There
is
some
work
to
be
done
as
far
as
move
out
and
other
planning
that
will
be
required.
Q
The
actual
construction
won't
begin
until
probably
late
quarter,
one
early
Quarter
Two
of
next
year,
so
that
is
the
primary
schedule
to
be
to
be
considered.
That
construction
will
take
through
probably
block
Q3
of
2026
will
be
the
completion
time
for
the
construction
phase.
We
do
look
forward
to
Future
conversations
around
the
about
the
coordination
with
construction.
That
is
a
intertwined
process
with
the
community.
It's
something
that
we
take
very
seriously
with
our
construction
Partners
whose
Turner
Walsh
Construction.
Q
They
will
work
closely
with
the
community
to
address
any
concerns
that
come
up,
whether
it
be
for
you
know,
truck
routes
or
sound
or
other
impacts
to
a
construction
process.
Q
Q
Funding
the
the
the
basis
of
the
funding
is
in
place
correct
for.
E
Okay
and
then
you
know,
in
terms
of
of
you,
know
we're
seeing
plans,
but
that's
not
final
plans
and
specs
and
yeah.
C
Q
Q
Say
that's
the
design,
obviously,
the
approvals,
the
permitting
all
that
all
those
processes
will
take
place
kind
of
intertwined
with
the
completion
of
the
design.
We
are
completing
certain
components
of
that
right
now,
including
demolition
plans,
structural
plans,
those
types
of
things,
and
we
will
bring
those
forward
for
permitting
after
completion,
so
I
would
say
permitting
will
take
into
quarter
four
of
this
year
and
quarter
one
of
2024.,
okay,.
E
All
right,
then,
the
next
question
I
have
is
whether
or
not
there's
an
existing
traffic
management
plan
that
covers
the
current
mix
of
units.
That's
probably
not.
E
And
you
know,
if
so,
you
know,
can
you
kind
of
provide
some
details?
Does
it
cover
football
games?
Only
basketball
games,
graduations,
you
know,
what's
what's
in
place
now,
yeah.
K
D
K
They
have
they
have.
You
know
they
have
a
practice
that
they
follow,
but
there's
nothing
that
is
I,
think
formally
documented
or
shared
or
kind
of
coordinated
with
the
city
and
community,
and
that
the
way
that
we've
been
describing
it.
E
Okay
and
I
can
either
I
now
have
I
have
a
bunch
of
questions
about
the
amendment
language.
You
want
me
to
go
through
those
now
or
should
I
defer
to
other
Commissioners.
R
Just
a
question
on
the
some
of
the
Geotech
reports
and
the
question
about
groundwater,
there
was
a
good
summary
provided
in
the
package,
but
I
am
wondering-
and
this
is
maybe
a
question
for
staff
as
well-
whether
it
is
worth
it
to
get
a
full
peer
review
of
any
of
those
plans
related
to
the
ground,
water
and
related
to
water
retention
on
the
site,
especially
with
the
use
of
routing
everything
to
the
North
Shore
canal.
It
seems
to
me
that
would
be
helpful
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
City
of
Chicago.
S
It's
certainly
something
the
land
use
commission
could
recommend
as
a
condition
should
you
recommend
approval
and
should
the
project
be
approved
by
City
cult
Council,
ultimately,
as
part
of
the
permitting
review
process,
those
will
be
evaluated
any
proposals,
for
you
know
how
how
they're
going
to
construct
and
manage
storm
water
groundwater
at
the
site.
Q
I
just
want
to
address
really
quick,
the
the
timing,
as
well
as
as
noted
the
permitting,
and
we
also
have
been
coordinating
with
mwrd,
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
thinking
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
in
our
design
is
compliant.
So
the
the
submission
of
that
information
won't
be
new
it'll,
be
important
for
us
to
walk
in
with
a
coordinated,
a
coordinated
design
that
complies
with
their
expectations
on
all
levels.
So
I
won't
speak
to
you.
Q
R
I'm
sure
others
may
have
this,
but
a
quick
question
at
least
an
initial
question
on
parking
and
traffic.
Again,
our
favorite
topics.
R
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
think
the
the
majority
or
close
to
a
majority
of
concert
goers
will
be
encouraged
to
use
public
transportation
and
how
you
know
that
that
can
actually
work.
K
Sure
so
I
think
there's
probably
a
couple
layers
on
that.
So
in
terms
of
public
transportation,
obviously
we
want
to
maximize
that.
That's
less
traffic
than
driving,
so
we've
looked
at.
You
know
had
just
early
discussions
with
like
Ravinia.
What
kind
of
action
do
they
get
in
terms
of
Transit
use,
especially
coming
out
of
covid?
You
know
they're,
seeing
it
ramp
up.
So
what
what
kind
of
activity
are
they
getting
in
terms
of
of
that?
What
happens
at
Wrigley?
K
So
that's
another
event
that
has
concerts
and
is
immediately
adjacent
to
a
Red
Line
station
and
looking
at
what
kind
of
volume
they
get
in
terms
of
boardings
related
to
theirs.
You're
going
to
see
different
different
performers
will
have
different
demographics.
Some
are
more
Transit
oriented
than
others.
K
For
example,
there
was
some
really
good
data
collected
at
the
Barclay
Center
in
Brooklyn,
so
we're
not
Brooklyn,
but
you
can
see
that
the
differences
between
different
types
of
events,
so
Mumford
and
Sons,
for
example,
brings
in
a
lot
more
Transit
oriented,
rides
and
then-
and
they
have
maybe
a
little
bit
lower
on
the
vehicle
occupancy,
so
maybe
fewer
people
per
car
than
some
of
the
others.
Another
example
was
Mark
Anthony,
so
Mark
Anthony,
not
as
big
of
a
Transit
users,
apparently
his
fans,
but
they
were
also
significantly
more
people
per
car.
K
So
you
end
up
kind
of
balancing
some
of
that
out.
So
I
think
we
would
see
a
range
of
you
know.
Some
will
see
maybe
30
40
percent
Transit,
maybe
there's
somewhere.
We
see
a
little
more
and
somewhere.
We
see
less
in
terms
of
the
parking,
though
there
is
limited
parking
on
the
site
relative
to
football
games.
We
have
more
people
parking
in
the
area
for
football
games
than
we
would
for
concerts.
K
You
would
have
parking
on
site
would
be
pre-sold,
so
no
one's
driving
up
paying
cash
or
whatever
to
get
into
the
on-site
parking
lots.
So
you're
able
to
you
are
communicating
with
those
customers.
They
know
where
to
go
that
you're,
giving
them
direct
routes
and
people
and
the
remote
Lots
so
on
campus
or
downtown
would
also
be
opportunities
for
pre-sale
just
like
they
are
for
football
games.
K
Today,
in
the
past,
at
Canal
Shores,
you
could
buy
pre-sold
parking,
but
you
might
also
pay
cash
when
you
have
the
opportunity
to
pre-sell
you're,
also
communicating
with
them
giving
them
the
routes
directing
them
so
to
their
locations
based
on
perhaps
where
they're,
where
they're
from
or
their
zip
code.
So
it's
a
combination
of
working
with
the
Transit
Transit
agencies
to
further
promote
transit,
for
example.
Metro.
If
you
go
to
Ravinia
now
it's
a
new
program,
you
don't
actually
have
to
buy
a
separate
Metro
ticket.
K
It's
in
it's
integrated
into
the
cost
of
your
ticket
for
an
event.
You
just
show
your
ticket
either
whether
it's
digital
or
analog
on
your
you
know
hard
copy
and
then
the
Ravinia
and
Metro
have
an
agreement
where
they
figure
out
how
to
recover
the
costs
and
ensure
the
cost
for
that
they're
of
interest
in
doing
the
same
kind
of
thing.
Here
so
there's
those
kinds
of
programs
to
further
incentivize
or
promote
that,
but
in
terms
of
other
parking
It's,
a
combination
with
wayfinding
Advanced
signage,
so
imagine
you're
approaching
the
stadium
area.
K
Maybe
you
didn't
get
pre-sold
parking,
so
you're
not
exactly
sure
where
you're
supposed
to
be
going.
So
naturally
you
would
drive
towards
the
stadium
well
in
advance,
Think
electric,
you
know
variable
message,
signs
that
say
you
know:
pre-sold
parking,
only
coupon
parking,
only
cash
parking.
You
know
you're
turning
people,
not
just
at
Green
Bay
Road,
but
even
further
down
giving
other
routes
for
people
to
Downtown
parking
locations
or
to
campus
parking
locations.
So
it's
each
one
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different
I'm,
not
saying
everything
is
going
to
be
the
same.
H
K
That's
you
that's
why,
in
in
process
with
the
transportation
management
plan,
you
would
be
evaluating
that
annually
or
by
annual
really
she
should
be
like
all
right.
How
are
things
working?
What
other
things
can
we
do
to
improve?
What
evolving
Technologies
do
we
have
to
to
direct
people
to
their
different
choices?.
R
I
know,
commissioner:
Alec
has
a
question
just
one
last
one.
How
many
folks
does
Ravinia
usually
accommodate
for
a
concert?
Do
you
know
by
any
chance
what.
D
So
there's
something
I,
don't
understand
about
your
report
and
that
is
that
use
in
your
study.
You
assume
that
52
percent
of
the
total
population,
the
28
500,
which
is
14
820
people,
will
travel
by
car
and
if
those
people
aren't
allowed
to
park
on
the
streets
of
the
neighborhood,
are
there
in
I,
don't
think
there's
enough
parking
in
all
of
Evanston.
K
D
Sure,
but
still
yeah,
even
I'm
I'm,
assuming
that.
K
Yeah
we've
we've
identified
so
it's
roughly
depending
on
the
number
of
people
per
car,
we're
estimating
5400
to
6
000
parking
spaces
total
is
what
would
be
needed
for
that
for
that
balance.
K
So
there's
a
mix
of
on-site,
we're
saying
it's
roughly
1400
I
think
it
was
1408.
and
then
you
start
looking
at
in
the
immediate
area.
That's
walkable
200
spaces
along
Poplar
by
the
metro
station.
Then
we
start
getting
into
more
remote
off-site
parking
locations.
So
on
campus,
there's
over
1600
spaces
within
garages
and
surface
lots
that
we
can
provide
for
off-campus
parking
or
off-site
parking.
D
When
you
say
that,
are
they
available
spaces
and
the
reason
I'm
making
a
point
of
this
is
because
there
have
been
several
projects
that
come
before
us
and
they
all
say
we're
not
going
to
provide
the
parking.
That's
required-
and
we
say:
okay,
because
there's
space
available
in
all
these
parking
garages,
and
so
they
they
assume
parking
in
those
garages.
And
so.
C
K
Most
of
these
concert
concerts
would
be
focused
more
late
spring
summer,
early
fall
when
students
aren't
necessarily
in
class
as
much
so
we
have
much
more
capacity
on
campus
and
then
in
terms
of
the
Downtown
parking.
We
have
a
mix
of
city-owned
garages
and
we
have
privately
owned
publicly
accessible
garages
that
are
available
for
public
parking.
K
K
What
is
the
availability
of
parking
in
these
garages
and
the
evenings
typically
like,
say
a
Thursday,
Friday
or
Saturday
evening
in
the
summer
months,
and
they
identified
what
the
utilization
was,
and
it
basically
has
roughly
two-thirds
availability
during
those
evening
times
that
adds
up
to
about
2
800,
almost
2
900
spaces.
So
when
you
look
at
collectively
between
what's
available
downtown,
what's
available
on
campus,
what's
on
site
and
some
of
the
just
immediate
stuff
on
Poplar
we're
able
to
handle
the
parking
needs
for
this.
K
For
this
kind
of
event,
that
doesn't
include
other
I
mentioned
private
entrepreneurial
folks,
like
the
others
and
arts
center
is
going
to
park
30
spaces.
You
know
different
businesses
are
going
to
start
using.
You
know
providing
parking
as
you
generally
approach,
so
that
there's
additional
from
that.
But
we've
looked
at
the
numbers
and
from
what
we
found
that
there's
available
parking
to
accommodate
that.
C
E
Like
that
I'm
sorry
I'd
like
to
follow
up
on
that,
because
in
your
report
you
are
assuming
80
availability
and
now
you've
just
said
this,
and
my
question
is
you
know
kind
of
when
you
collected
the
data?
Was
it
during
pandemic
because
we've
got
North
light,
that's
gonna
at
some
point
open
we've
got
the
movie
theaters
and
restaurants.
So.
K
So
when
we
first,
when
we
first
drafted
our
report,
we
we
made
the
assumption
that
concert.
Goers
might
take
80
percent
of
the
available
capacity
of
city-owned
garages.
We
didn't
account
for
other
privately
owned,
publicly
available
garages
and
then
so
then,
this
question
came
up
through
staff
review
and
other
comments
that
we
received.
So
we
said:
okay,
let's
take
a
look
at
what
the
actual
utilization
is,
and
so
that's
where
we
then
coordinated
with
SB
plus.
What
is
the
utilization
of
these
garages
during
these
times?
And
that's
where
we
got
this?
K
We
expanded
Beyond,
just
the
city-owned
garages,
but
other
public
parking
in
Downtown.
It's
it's
a
lower
number,
but
it's
a
bigger,
say
piece
of
the
pie.
D
There's
a
question
about
the
Uber
situation,
so
I
understand
that
there's
an
Uber
drop
off
we'll
be
right
by
this
by
the
stadium
but
correct
one
well,.
K
For
right
now
say
for
football
games,
you
don't
get
quite
the
same
Uber
activities
we
would
expect
for
concerts,
we
probably
see
more
I'm,
sure
and
so
and,
like
you,
would
you've,
probably
seen
at
other
venues,
we'd
be
working
with
them
to
Geo
geofence,
certain
areas
for
drop
off
and
pickup.
This
is
an
area
that
would
get
ironed
out
in
the
TMP
in
terms
of
exact
locations
and
the
layout
of
the
Lots.
My.
D
Question
is
is
if,
if
I
was
riding
an
Uber
and
I
was
coming
from
downtown
or
yeah
north
side
of
Chicago,
whatever
I'd
want
to
be
dropped
off
at
the
at
the
stadium.
So
how
do
you
prevent
all
these
Uber
Drive
I?
Don't
understand,
you
said
you
could
park
that
Ubers
would
would
also
drop
off
people
at
Haven
and
they
would
also
drop
off
people
at
Canal
Shores.
Just
that's
what
your
report
says.
D
K
You
do
have
you,
it
is
harder.
I
will
say
it
is
harder
to
manage
the
drop
off
rather
than
it
is
the
pickup.
So
the
drop
off
you
might
get
someone
who
says
yeah
I'll
go
ahead
and
drop
you
off
here,
but
you
can
still
tie
it
to
geofencing
within
the
app
and
you
can
then
still
know
whether
people
are
following
that
or
not
following
that,
and
also
dealing
with
enforcement.
So
for
football
games,
for
example,
you
go
up
and
down
Central
Street.
The
whole
curbside
lanes
are
basically
open.
K
You
get
people
who
are
dropping
off
of
Ubers,
getting
out
to
join
a
tailgate
or
just
go
into
the
game.
You
get
people
dropping
off,
not
in
Ubers
just
you
know,
you
might
drop
off
a
family
member,
so
you
see
that
you
see
charter
buses
sometimes
pulling
up,
and
then
you
also
see
police
and
traffic
control,
shooting
them
along
keeping
that
keeping
the
traffic
flowing.
So
the
drop-off
usually
isn't
the
issue
as
much
as
it
is
the
pickup
the.
K
Get
the
you
get
the
Uber
drivers
or
Lyft
drivers
equal
opportunity
to
they
come
in
stage
before
the
event
ends
and
they're
hanging
out
waiting.
That's
all!
That's
all
much
more
control
through
geofencing
through
the
app
itself
just
like
when
you
go
to
O'hare
and
you
there
are
certain
areas
where
you're
allowed
to
pick
up
and
there's
certain
areas
where
they
will
not
pick
you
up.
You
can
say,
come
pick
me
up
over
it.
K
You
know
terminal
one
they're,
not
they're,
picking
you
up
at
Terminal
2
at
O'hare,
so
you've
it's
it's
connected
through
the
app
in
terms
of
geofenced
areas
of
where
they're
allowed
to
pick
you
up
and
that's
where
you
work
with
them
to
designate
where
those
locations
would
be
so
whether
there
turns
out
to
be
in
the
lauded
Haven
or
in
the
lot
north
of
chandler-newburger.
R
K
R
K
So
the
at
this
point
we're
thinking
it
would
be
the
same
routes
that
are
followed
for
football
games
and
so
we're
the
we're
the
pickup
and
drop
off
for
staging
for
shuttle
buses
occurs
now
is
on
Ashland,
basically
adjacent
to
the
stadium,
just
north
and
south
of
Walker
way.
So
then,
you
can
kind
of
continue
to
go
further.
North
there's
usually
more
room
to
go.
If
you
want
so,
we
would
see
more
more
buses
related
because
we
have
more
people
expected
to
use
off-site
parking.
K
The
layout
is
generally
laid
out
in
like
using
two
lanes
and
the
fronts
of
the
buses
are
staggered,
so
you
can
load
multiple
buses
at
one
time.
Our
current
estimates
are
there
UK
If.
You
were
to
have
20
buses
at
one
time,
that's
roughly
800
buses
or
800
people
getting
on
the
bus
at
one
time.
K
The
next
wave
pulls
up
and
you
load
them
in
that
way.
Again,
those
are
going
to
be
details
that
will
have
to
work
out
in
terms
of
their
staging.
Where
are
they
picking
up
exactly?
Where
are
they
staging
so
that
we're
trying
to
minimize
any
impacts
on
like
surrounding
Neighbors?
In
terms
of
you
know,
you
don't
want
the
buses
hanging
out
right
in
front
of
houses
so
where,
along
the
circuits,
are
we
having
them,
wait
and
then
you're
getting
them
coming
in
in
different
waves,
roughly
800
people
at
a
time.
K
People
that
would
take
part
right
so
I
think
we
were
at
roughly
230
trips.
So,
let's
just
say
it's
not
buses
but
they're
in
circulation,
making
two
to
three
trips
yeah.
So
if
you
were
doing
say
just
two
trips,
then
you're
talking
115,
if
you're
doing
three
three
round
trips
you're
at
75,
so
you're,
probably
in
the
round
of
range
of
75
to
115
total
buses
operating.
K
D
Have
some
questions
on
the
the
trucks
and
the
tour
buses,
because
the
report
or
I
think
that
Michael
Godoy
said
that
that
that
there
will
be
10
to
20
trucks,
loading
in
and
out
for
each
concert
and
then
three
to
five
tour
buses
and
I
assume
those
well
I'm,
my
question.
But
but
in
the
report
it
said
all
the
trucks
and
all
the
tour
buses
would
be
loading
underground
in
the
loading
dock.
So
how
do
you
do
that
with
20
trucks
and
five
tour
buses.
J
Correct
it's
a
sequenced
exercise,
coordinating
those
trucks
that
are
in
the
loading
dock,
unloading
or
loading,
depending
on
what
they're
doing
and
there's
communication
with
a
marshalling
yard
where
the
remaining
trucks
might
be.
So,
let's
go
through.
J
We've
looked
at
opportunities,
Orchard
shopping
mall
as
an
opportunity
where
the
truck's
good
stage
in
parking
areas
off-site
and
then
be
coordinated
in
as
needed
as
those
three
trucks
in
the
loading
dock,
for
instance,
are
emptied
and
as
they're
about
ready
to
leave.
Another
three
are
arriving
and
they
replace
each
other
and
that'll
that'll
be
the
converse
on
the
way
out.
D
These
in
the
three
to
five
tour
buses.
How
does
that
work.
J
Exactly
right,
thank
you.
The
load-in
would
occur,
let's
say
9
A.M
on
on
the
day
before
we'll
begin
to
see
the
trucks
coming
in
and
delivering
the
equipment,
the
material
that
goes
into
the
stage
and
all
the
accoutrement
at
the
end
of
that
evening,
and
into
the
next
days
when
the
at
the
ax,
the
talent
that
travels
on
the
tour
buses
will
actually
start
to
arrive
on
site.
J
The
trucks
are
gone,
they're
done,
they've
unloaded,
the
stage
has
been
erected
now,
we're
doing
things
like
soundcheck
and
setting
up
interior
spaces
all
happening
within
the
stadium.
Trucks
are
no
longer
needed
at
that
point.
The
tour
buses
will
arrive
and
then
we'll
park
underground
at
that
loading
dock
area
and
that's
where
the
artist
will
spend
some
time
they're
really
back
at
the
hotel,
but
that's
where
they
can
have
their
home
away
from
home,
perform
get
back
on
the
bus
and
leave
go
to
the
next
city
and
then
the
reverse
happens.
J
Trucks
arriving
as
trucks
are,
leaving
and
being
and
being
filled
and
they're
and
they're
being
sequenced
in
that
in
that
manner,
where
there's
a
coordinated
effort,
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
I
worked
for
a
management
company.
My
manage
the
firm
I
worked
for
managed
McCormick
Place,
similar
situation.
Major
trade
shows
exhibitions
occurring
there
same
exact
sequencing
was
taking
place
to
prevent
Road
activity
and
trucks
on
surface
streets.
J
D
D
Things
but
it's
it's
the
same:
United
Center,
you
know
same
kind
of
venue
and
and
it's
a
little
different
situation.
There.
J
It
is,
but
it's
not
dissimilar
to
the
activities
that
happen
today
on
a
football
game
at
Ryan
Field
and
all
of
this
happening
on
surface
streets
yeah.
Now
we
have
an.
J
D
Yeah:
okay,
oh.
E
A
Actually,
commissioner,
Hallock
I
think
they
brought
somebody
down
to
answer
your
original
question,
a
while
back,
which
I
believe
was
on
the
existing
parking.
D
You
know
the
special
use
I
I,
just
I,
wanted
to
know
that
we're
there's
all
these
exceptions
to
the
special
use
and
I
wondered
what
is
different
from
existing.
So
we
talked
about
the
height
of
the
building,
the
parking
that
stays
the
same
14
1408
spaces.
That's
the
parking!
That's
there
right
now,
correct
and
I
asked
about
the
buffers
the
35
feet
required
and
I
was
I.
Think
I
was
told
tentatively
that
the
only
exception
to
this
35
feet
is
the
at
the
northeast
corner.
That's
16,
foot
three
inches.
T
There
are
two
in
the
application.
There
are
two
encroachments
listed,
the
one
two
encroachments
on
the
on
the
buffer.
One
is
at
the
North
End
that
you're
referring
to,
which
is
largely
driven
by
an
existing
piece
of
equipment
and
Paving.
That's
there
right
that
happens
to
be
with
in
compliance
with
the
underlying
15-foot
zoning
setback
that
would
be
required
in
the
absence
of
the
buffer.
That's
required
in
this
in
this
particular
instance.
T
So
we've
got
that
15
foot
set
back
there
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
property
at
the
border
of
the
property
bordering
North
Shore
Health.
There
is
presently
zero
setback
with
the
parking
lot
that
meets
the
the
property
line
on
the
fence.
Against
that
property.
We
are
instituting
the
15-foot
setback,
that's
required
to
the
extent
allowable
that
allows
us
to
get
a
new
driveway
into
that
spot.
So
there
is
it's
a
it's.
T
D
Okay,
all
right
yeah
that
that
answers
those
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Oh
wait.
I
think
he
does.
He
just
answered
that
yeah
excuse.
G
Me,
commissioner,
hey
lick:
do
you
mind
if
I
speak
to
your
question
earlier
about
the
buses
that
travel
or
the
anticipated
trucks
drop
off
at
potentially
future
concerts?
So
this
weekend
we
have
our
annual
band
day
at
Ryan
feel
for
our
football
game.
We
do
that
once
a
year
we
are
expecting
over
1100
1100
students
to
travel
by
bus
to
Ryan
Field
and
we've
partnered
with
the
high
school
eths
to
park,
those
vans
or
those
buses.
Excuse
me
at
the
high
school
parking
lot
and
I'm
unaware.
D
We've
done
this
and
how
does
it
get
from
eths,
too
Stadium.
G
How
do
you
get
back?
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
the
Scott,
how
we
coordinate
the
pick
up
and
drop
off
with
the
buses
when
they
get
to
eths,
and
this
is
happening
this
upcoming
Saturday,
so
I
would
welcome
anyone
that
doubts
our
ability
to
manage
this
to
join
us.
This
Saturday-
and
it's
also
Evans
today,
Ryan
Field,
so
I
would
certainly
welcome
the
entire
MSA
Community
to
join
us.
But
Scott.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
how
we
coordinate
the
pickup
and
drop
off
with
the
school
bus
that
drops
off
1100
students.
U
So
hello,
Scott
Aaron
with
Northwestern
Athletics,
so
the
specific
specifics
of
Band-Aid
is
those
those
students
arrive
before
the
the
rest
of
our
shuttle.
Operations
start
for
a
for
a
game
day,
so
that
drop-off
occurs
in
the
same
location
that
the
fan
shuttles
pick
up
and
drop
off
among
Ashland
and
then
they're
directed
to
go
to
the
remote
parking.
In
this
case,
and
it's
it's
worked
in
the
past
where
Evanston
has
had
Evanston
high
school
has
been
more
or
less
idle
on
our
game
day
where
their
surface
slots
can
handle
all
the
bus
traffic.
U
Maybe
one
of
them
might
stay
till
the
end
of
the
game,
but
the
kids
are
generally
there
to
perform
at
halftime,
and
so
that
pick
up
and
and
removal
happens,
while
the
game
is
going
on
and
again,
our
shuttle
operations
aren't
really
impacted
by
the
high
school
student
pickup
and
drop
off,
but
then
the
art
and
I
should
just
say
for
our
fans
like
we
do
out,
we
do
offer.
A
V
Hi
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
regarding
the
actual
concert
days
and
how
the
if
you're,
going
to
be
providing
meaning
Northwestern
we'll
be
providing
parking,
I,
guess
the
the
parking
people
that
you
would
need
to
in
order
to
get
all
the
cars
into
the
venue.
V
But
after
the
fact,
after
the
concert
is
gone,
are
there
still
going
to
be
people
there
to?
Basically
let
the
people
out
of
your
Stadium,
because
that
is
I
had
a
very
bad
experience
at
a
different
venue
and
it
also
happens
at
Ravinia.
You
know
everybody's
there
to
collect
the
money
and
after
the
concert
is
over,
you
don't
see
a
soul
trying
to
help
out
so
that
you
can
release
all
the
people
and
they
can
go
home.
It
took
me
two
hours
to
leave
a
venue.
U
Peter
speak
to
a
little
bit.
I
will
say
that
he
mentioned
earlier
about
our
unified
command
post,
that
we
operate,
that
stays
in
operation
for
our
major
events
at
ryanfield
now
as
much
as
two
hours
after
our
events,
and
we
manage
the
everything
that's
going
on
on
site
sort
of
in
real
time
with
all
the
different
agencies
that
are
in
that
command
post.
But
Peter
can
speak
about
the
volume
control
so.
K
So
you're
talking
about
after
the
event,
trying
to
exit
the
parking,
lots
and
get
out,
and
so
we
I
pointed
out
kind
of
12
different
posts
where
you
would
have
police
or
other
traffic
control.
Managing
some
of
that
would
be
along
Ashland,
letting
people
out
or
on
Central
letting
people
out
of
the
lots,
and
then
it's
flushing
them
just
generally
out
of
the
overall
area.
So
events
like
this,
the
key
is
to
get
the
traffic
out
and
let
it
distribute
there's
typically
certain
intersections
or
you
might
restrict
certain
movements.
K
Things
like
that,
if
you're
trying
to
get
traffic
out
and
then
distributed
across
the
broader
Street
Network.
So
imagine
I,
guess
if
you
were
in
the
west
lot
and
it's
after
an
event
that
traffic
is
primarily
funneled
South
there
right
now
it
goes
north
or
south,
either
Isabella
to
the
east
or
South
to
Central
and
then
heading
west
on
Central,
I.
V
V
I'm
not
talking
about
that
I'm
talking
about
actually
having
a
somebody
responsible
enough
and
not
the
police,
but
if
you're
managing
and
you're
charging
parking,
then
you
would
also
be
responsible
to
let
those
people
out,
because
once
you
start
getting
frustrated
you're
going
to
start
having
people
honk
their
horn
and
now
you're
disturbing
the
neighbors
yep.
K
K
How
do
I
get
you
out
of
the
lot,
but
how
do
I
get
you
from
Central
and
Ashland
West
on
Central,
through
through
Green
Bay
and
on
your
way
or
if
you're,
going
down
Green
Bay
and
then
out
McCormick,
whatever
the
routes
are,
there's
people
that
would
be
posted
at
those
intersections
either
manually
overriding
the
traffic
signals
or
holding
up
certain
approaches
to
flush
traffic
out,
and
so
it's
a
lower
attendance
number,
for
example.
But
evening
events
at
Welsh
Ryan
is
as
another
example.
K
So
you
can
see
how,
if
you
were
to
go
out
there,
the
last
home
game
this
year
is
one
example.
I
was
out
there
observing
traffic.
It
was
it's
busy.
There's
people
in
the
Lots
there's
people
on
the
streets
and
in
the
neighborhoods
but
post
event,
and
this
was
a
sellout
game
and
it
was
everyone.
Was
there
till
the
end?
Traffic
was
done
within
20
minutes
and
people
were
flushing.
You
out
of
the
Lots
they're
flushing
you
out
at
each
of
the
intersections
all
the
way
through
the
Central
and
Green
Bay.
But.
V
K
I'm
talking
about
a
night
basketball
game
that
was
a
sellout
and
every
at
the
time
when
basketball
games
and
evenings
or
concerts
are
letting
out
say
10
10
15.
At
night,
the
traffic
volumes
on
the
streets
are
very,
very
low.
They
were
considerably
lower
than
what
they
are
when
the
event
started
or
during
a
afternoon
football
game.
The
ambient
traffic
levels
are
significantly
lower.
There's
a
lot
more
capacity
where
you
can
just
flush
traffic
out
of
the
area.
K
D
Can
I
ask
a
question
on
top
of
that?
Are
you
aware
of
the
shift
changes
at
the
hospital
and
then
I
asked
this
because
the
traffic
on
Central
I
think
it's
mostly
or
at
least
a
good
percentage
of
it
is
Hospital
traffic
when
they
change
ships
and
I
I
assume
it's
a
24-hour
cycle
so
warning
late
afternoon
early
evening,
when's.
K
K
N
I
am
not
an
expert
on
Hospital
shift
changes,
but
one
thing
that
may
be
important
to
know
here.
The
university
has
a
long-term
relationship
with
North
Shore
for
parking
in
the
Ryan
Field
lots,
and
that
is
is
daily,
and
it
also
includes
Provisions
to
work
together
during
event
days
to
make
sure
that
we
can
accommodate
North
Shore
parking
needs
when
they
need
it
and
they
can
be
flexible
for
us
as
well,
and
that
agreement
has
existed
and
has
been
utilized
throughout
football
games
over
time.
N
So
I
can't
offer
all
I
don't
know.
To
be
honest,
all
the
details
of
how
North
Shore
manages
that
I
believe
that,
for
the
most
part,
the
times
that
we're
needing
full
access
to
those
Lots
North
Shore
does
not
need
the
full
capacity
of
parking
they
have.
You
know
with
our
with
our
agreement
and
they're
able
to
absorb
that
parking
within
their
parking.
E
A
F
F
G
F
I
was
just
thinking
that
you're
taking
certain
risks
with
the
depth
or
the
location
of
the
field,
you
will
need
pumps,
you
have
some
ecology
problems
and
so
on,
but
a
certain
risk
could
be
taken
for
an
underground
parking
that
will
validate
some
of
the
parking
tissues
that
we're
all
talking
about.
Just
a
suggestion
and
the
question
and
another
question
is:
was
a
retractable
roof
considered.
H
P
H
F
D
I
I
have
some
architectural
questions
also
so
related
to
that.
It's
funny.
The
Architects
on
the
panel
are
asking
similar
questions.
Mine
mine
are
why
this
baffles
me
actually
that
there's
the
walls
of
the
stadium,
the
solid
parts
of
the
stadium
are
in
the
east
and
west,
but
there
it's
totally
open
on
the
North
and
South.
Now
the
Wilmette
residents
I'm
sure
are
not
happy
that
that
that
the
stadium
opens
right
into
their
houses
and
then
the
people
on
the
south
side
across
central
are
not
happy
because
of
that.
So
why
isn't?
H
D
H
Well,
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
speak
directly
to
the
sound
paths
that
would
hold,
but
I
was
talking
about
here.
D
Q
All
right,
sorry,
just
really
quick,
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
to
be
taken
into
account
when
we
think
about
the
concert
orientation.
So
as
we've
as
you
can
see,
the
the
Northeast
orientation
orientation
actually
is
adjacent
to
the
existing
facility,
so
there's
a
natural
buffer
with
the
facilities
that
we
have
in
place
right
with
Welsh
Ryan
arena,
Trina's
performance
center
and
other
facilities.
So
that's
very
intentional
right.
Q
Additionally,
when
we
look
at
the
South
orientation,
there's
a
number
of
things
to
consider
as
part
of
the
experience
that
everyone
that
goes
to
a
concert
here
will
will
take
advantage
of
right,
there's
premium
seating
that
is
better
oriented
within
the
within
the
venue
to
facilitate
the
South
there's.
The
visiting
team
locker
room
is
on
the
very
southern
end
of
the
building
so
which
can
be
used
as
a
green
room
for
acts
that
might
come
in
okay,
so
that
we
take
all
of
this
into
account.
Q
We
look
at
this
additionally
because
of
not
only
the
buildings
on
the
north,
but
the
additional
athletic
facilities
that
and
the
West
lot.
It
also
creates
that
additional
distance
from
the
source,
which
is
on
the
very
south
end
so
technically
the
the
South
actually
gives
you
a
better
distance
away
from
the
community
than
the.
If
we
were
to
reorientate
it
with
us
with
a
stage
on
the.
Q
Well
and
but
additionally,
as
we've
talked
about,
the
the
field
is
20
feet
below
grade
right
right,
so
with
an
average
height
to
think
of
56
feet,
I
think
is
our
our
height
for
the
speakers.
Yeah.
Look
we're
we're
significantly
below
grade
already,
so
with
the
height
of
those
existing
buildings,
it
does
create
that
buffer
and
so
with,
then
also
the
the
orientation
of
the
enclosure
but
being
on
both
the
East
and
the
West.
We
do
create
that
funnel
to
where
it
doesn't
expand
into
those
East
neighbors,
the
East,
the
East.
Q
D
Yeah,
when
we
put
this
together
just
something-
maybe
you
want
to
consider
other
question
the.
D
Q
The
canopy
itself,
so
it's
actually
structural
steel,
roofing
material
and
then
all
the
different
components
that
are
embedded
into
it.
So
the
attenuating
factors
are
primarily
based
on
the
roofing
material
that
is
creating
the
canopy
itself.
So
it's
very
limited
as
far
as
the
benefit
that
that
brings,
but
there
is
something
there.
W
W
That's
great,
of
course,
though
it
would
have
been
even
more
pleased
from
a
sustainability
perspective
if
more
of
the
original
building
was
either
reused
or
or
had
some
some
sort
of
adaptive
reuse
going
on
I
understand
that,
with
the
current
goals
of
the
new
design
and
going
lower
and
rotating
the
stadium
have
significant
benefits
for
the
project
itself,
so
seeing
as
that's
not
a
part
of
it,
what
is
going
to
happen
is
you're
going
to
have
quite
a
lot
of
construction
and
demolition
waste.
W
Q
So
the
responsibility
of
creating
that
plan
will
be
through
our
contractor
Turner
Walsh,
so
they
will
be
providing
that
plan
in
conjunction
with
the
partners
that
we
bring
on
board
as
far
as
the
subcontractors.
We
have
not
started
the
process
of
bringing
that
demolition
contractor
on
board
yet,
but
they
will
be
integral
in
being
able
to
do
that.
We
will
look
at
multiple
opportunities
to
divert
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
even
from
the
landfill.
So
we
really
focus
on
recycling
efforts,
reuse
efforts.
Q
D
One
of
the
proposals-
I
can't
remember
if
it's
still
in
the
proposal
ad,
in
addition
to
the
concerts
in
the
stadium,
an
unlimited
number
of
additional
concerts
outside
the
stadium
am
I
right
about
that
is
that
still
part
of
The
Proposal.
N
X
N
About
so
that
that
currently
is
focused
on
60
days
of
activity,
kind
of
in
the
stadium
or
Plaza's
Community
focused
those
are
not
designed
to
be
concerts.
The
way
I
believe
the
text
amendment
is
shaped
is
says
any
musical
performances
Associated
there
with.
So,
if
you
think
you
had
a
fall
festival
and
you
might
have
someone
playing
an
acoustic
guitar
or
something
like
that
out,
there
that's
kind
of
the
intention
there
not
to
host
kind
of
pure
musical
performances
on
the
plazas.
Q
So
the
reference
structure-
that's
noted
there
is
actually
on
the
northwest
corner,
probably
more
directly
west
I.
Don't
have
a
laser
I
can't
point
to
it,
but
it
was
depicted
as
a
more
significant
structure
that
has
that
has
changed.
Our
current
design
is
actually
more
contemplating
it
as
a
as
a
canopy
to
create
cover
from
from
the
elements
right.
It's
not
enclosed.
It's
it's!
You
know
we
haven't
finalized
quite
on
with
the
look
and
feel
of
it
yet,
but
it
is
a
covered
canopy
for
things
like
Luke
had
mentioned.
Q
You
know
acoustic
guitar,
a
yoga
instructor,
a
you
know
a
comedian.
You
know
something
as
simple
as
that
or
even
you
know,
there's
all
kinds
of
uses
that
you
could
facilitate
that
with.
But
it's
a
very
simple,
very
simple
structure.
D
A
couple
of
you
mentioned
that
that
when
there
was
a
comparison
chart
about,
and
even
George
mentioned,
that
you
right
now,
seven
events
at
ten
thousand
people
are
allowed
and
I
know
that
was.
That
was
the
the
decision
several
years
ago
before
covet,
but
I
thought
that
that
expired
and
so
those
that
those
seven
events
are
not
allowed
anymore.
Is
that
right
or
wrong.
O
Yeah,
so
the
events
that
were
previously
approved
or
kind
of
public-facing
concerts,
the
language
of
the
current
code
does
allow
for
and
it's
a
little
ambiguous.
O
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
kind
of
clarify
it
and
just
say
what
it
is
going
to
be
public
concerts
but
they're,
temporary
events,
sorry
I'm,
just
getting
the
exact
language
I,
don't
want
to
misspeak
temporary
events
of
a
community
or
cultural
nature
that
meet
the
following
conditions,
so
their
community
and
cultural
events
of
a
non-profit
nature
intended
primarily
for
the
residents
of
the
city
and
amateur
athletic
events
and
those
are
allowed
for
up
to
10
000
people
and
to
that
seven
seven,
seven
events
of
five
days
each
for
each
facility
under
the
current
code.
O
R
I'll
just
have
one
last
question
for
for
anyone
from
Northwestern
I
guess:
can
you
point
us
to
another
university
community
which
has
done
something
similar
with
their
Stadium,
let's
say
and
begun
to
do,
concerts
or
performances,
and
especially
where
those
facilities
might
be
located
in
terms
of
proximity
to
residential
districts.
J
It's
a
good
one.
I
can
actually
take
that
so
Boulder
Colorado
University
of
Colorado,
Boulder,
Wake,
Forest
I,
believe,
is
another
one
that
we've
identified.
D
And
these
these
two
universities
that
you
mentioned
the
facility
is
as
large
as
what
you're
proposing
I.
J
D
This
is
no
disrespect,
I,
don't
know
where
you're
from
I'm
not
familiar
with
your
firm,
but
I
am
familiar
with
Arab
and
Arab
is
well
known
in
this
area
and
the
Wilmette
people
hired
Arab,
and
they
did
an
analysis
of
your
analysis,
I
think
or
no
they
did
an
analysis
of
evanston's.
There's
been
several
firms
involved
here:
evanston's
firm,
which
I
I
couldn't
find
any
experience
with
Acoustics
in
their
firm,
so
I,
don't
know
why
they
were
hired.
D
But
but
in
any
case,
Arab
did
this
report
and
have
you
seen
it?
Yes,.
D
O
We
I
don't
think
we've
submitted
the
formal
response
to
that,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
through
staff
to
submit
a
response
Point
by
point
which
we
have
developed.
But
if
there
are
specific
questions
or
points
in
that
report
that
you
wanted
to
go
through
tonight,
we
would
be
happy
to
or
through
stuff
we'll
submit
a
form.
You
know
more
reformal
response.
C
O
E
I've
got
well,
the
site
plan
is
up
there.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
first,
with
a
publicly
accessible
Park.
Is
that
that
little
green
area
down
kind
of
a
the
South
correct.
E
Okay
and
and
what
kinds
of
amenities
are
going
to
be
in
the
park
and
is
any
seating
anticipated
with
the
what
I
guess
our
canopy
now,
rather
than
Bandshell
programming.
T
Of
them
sure
excuse
me
that
Park,
the
open
space
at
the
corner
of
Ashland
and
Central
is
intended
to
function
as
a
Community,
Asset
Community
Park.
The
large
open
space
that
you
can
see
there
is
is
lawn
with
that
canopy
structure
to
the
left
kind
of
a
white
shape.
There
is
currently
in
the
plan,
a
water
feature,
a
Bosque
of
trees
and
that
that
Parks
really
intended
to
be
a
flexible,
open
space
that
can
serve
for
yoga
classes,
any
kind
of
outdoor
activity
that
might
be
planned
there
does
that
help
yeah.
E
That
that
that's
helpful
and
I
noted
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
parking
lots
that
you
know
the
the
one
on
the
to
the
east
right
now,
there's
Green
Space
up
near
Isabella
and
south
of
the
the
Condo
building
on
Isabella.
That
clearly
is
being
proposed
to
be
converted
to
parking.
So
I
guess.
My
question
is
how
much
net
grass
or
is
going
away
with
respect
to
this?
E
T
Don't
have
I,
don't
have
a
specific
analysis
that
I
can
share
right.
Now
we
can
get
you
numbers
that
would
provide
a
comparison
of
the
the
pervious
versus
impervious
or
paved
versus
green
space
on
the
site
right
now,
you're
right
that
that
that
strip
along
Hampton
the
Hampton
Parkway
apartment
building
is
an
open,
green
space,
but
there's
very
little
there's
very
little
landscape
there.
The
new
plan
here
introduces
the
required
35-foot
landscape
buffer
that
will
be
well
planted
with
with
trees
and
vegetation.
T
That's
all
part
of
our
storm
water
management
plan
and
really
provides
that
nice,
a
nice
green
buffer
between
that
parking
lot
and
the
existing
residential
and.
E
E
Of
parking
and
then
I
guess
there
was
something
that
said
that,
like
20
spaces
would
be
parking,
spaces
would
be
below
grade
along
with
the
loaning
docks.
Are
those
included
in
the
515
space
count
or
not?
They.
T
A
Could
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
that
and
and
not
that
you're
signing
these
people,
but
give
us
like
some
names
of
the
types
of
Acts
that
you
would
anticipate
coming?
Certainly.
J
J
You
might
see
80s
classic
rock
bands
like
Foreigner
or
REO
Speedwagon,
those
kind
of
Acts
that
we'll
be
performing
to
those
size
audiences
that
time
of
season
that
time
of
year,
the
concert
industry,
as
you
might
be
well
aware,
has
different
periods
of
the
year
and
they
play
in
different
venues
during
those
different
periods,
and
there
are
different
artists
that
play
in
those
different
venues.
So,
ideally
it's
going
to
be
classic
rock
classic
country.
J
I
I
tend
to
use
the
term
escalator,
ax
they're
on
their
way
up
or
they're
on
their
way
down
in
their
careers.
It's
going
to
be
that
type
of
artist
mix.
A
And
of
the
of
the
type
of
Acts
is:
is
it
the
I
imagine
your
intent
is
to
try
to
fill
a
28.5,
but
is?
Would
you
consider
smaller
acts
as
part
of
that
mix
as
well,
or
are
you
just
going
for
the
maximum.
J
What
would
happen
if
I
put
myself
in
the
shoes
of
the
stadium
manager,
you
know
and
I'm
trying
to
book
the
venue?
There
might
be
a
combination
of
things
that
might
happen
so,
for
instance,
imagine
REO,
Speedwagon
journey
and
Foreigner
are
a
package
that
I
might
be
able
to
acquire
from
through
a
promoter
to
play
in
one
evening,
and
those
three
acts
together
might
bring
enough
of
an
audience
to
fill
28
500
seats.
J
I
predict
again,
my
professional
opinion
years
out
I
predict
that
this
venue
will
serve
as
perhaps
the
concert
anchor
to
a
festival
to
a
Wine
and
Food
Festival
that
might
have
a
concert
as
part
of
the
Saturday
night
activity
of
that
two-day
festival
or
something
to
that
effect.
Maybe
it's
a
community
event
that
has
some
Ensemble
group
or
some
Performing
Arts
type
of
event
that
performs
at
the
stadium,
in
conjunction
with
other
things
that
are
happening
due
to
the
size
and
due
to
the
complexity
and
the
cost
of
putting
on
those
events.
J
It
feels
to
me,
just
in
my
professional
opinion,
that
this
would
be
more
of
a
festival
experience
than
any
Soul
concert
type
venue.
It's
it.
It
just
feels
different
to
me,
based
on
some
of
the
some
of
the
impacts
plus
the
market.
The
market
itself
is
Rich
with
with
multiple
venues
which
wouldn't
be
competing
with
this
venue
and.
A
And
in
terms
of
that,
are
there
similar
venues
in
the
city
of
Chicago
or
nearby.
J
No
one
might
one
might
argue
that
a
capacity
might
be
similar,
but
there
are
differences
in
terms
of
the
commercial
viability
of
some
of
the
venues
and
that's
why
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
an
actual
comp
what's
been
mentioned
is
or
the
Ravina
venue
that
that's
half
the
size
of
if
right,
less
than
half
the
size
Soldier
Field
is
is
not
even
be
considered.
I
mean
that
is
the
mega
concert
stop
in
the
world,
so
those
aren't
comparables
in
in
any.
J
Again,
just
going
off
feeling
I
feel
this
is
a
niche
type
opportunity
where
one
might
create
events
might
create
music
festivals
for
the
summer
series,
all
right.
V
Matt
Rivers
Edge
in
Aurora
is
something
very
similar
because
they
have
the
the
same
acts
that
you're
talking
about
the
same
X
that
they're
having
actually
I
think
they
had
or
they
are
having
next
week.
Okay,
so
it's
in
that
same
range
and
the
it's
an
open
-air
to
venue
except
they're
in
a
commercial
Zone.
V
D
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
the
size,
because
you
know
you
compare
your
28.5
with
United
Center,
which
is
23
and
the
other
one
Allstate,
which
is
I,
think
18.,
correct,
so
quite
a
bit
bigger
than
those
stadiums
and
I
think
the
neighbors
are
thinking.
D
Do
we
want
a
United
Center
in
our
neighborhood
next
to
our
houses?
Yeah,
you
know
and
that's
that
I'm
giving
you
the
sort
of
the
Crux
of
the
issue
here.
It's
you
know
smaller
a
smaller
venue.
I
think
people
would
be
more
open
to,
but
when
they
think
about
this
they
think
about.
This
is
bigger
than
the
amount
of
people
at
the
United
Center.
J
Right
so
I
can
add
some
context
to
that,
because
it's
a
viable
position
to
take
or
thought
to
have
that
number
of
seats
capacity
equals
similar,
if
not
greater.
J
What
what
is
a
little
different
here
is
that
the
United
Allstate,
those
are
Arenas
that
have
ceilings
clo,
enclosed
spaces
that
are
purpose
built
for
concerts,
and
so
they
have
rigging
capacities.
They
have.
They
have
certain
infrastructure
to
support.
J
The
touring
shows
that,
like
that
more
commonly
play
Arenas,
because
this
is
a
stadium
without
that
ceiling,
support,
it's
a
ground,
supported
event
structure,
and
so
that
tends
to
be
more
your
Festival
types
and
it
won't
play
to
the
stadiums
that
have
the
larger
Stadium
sets
and
the
production
equipment,
because
the
seating
capacity
isn't
right.
J
So
if
you
compare,
if
it's
more
accurate,
to
compare
this
projected
Stadium
to
a
stadium
than
an
arena
because
of
the
types
of
Acts
that
would
normally
play
there
and
then
because
it's
so
much
smaller
in
size
capacity,
it
falls
into
that
larger
than
an
Amphitheater
space
in
in
the
venue
in
the
venue
mix.
That's
out
there
in
the
industry,
it's
not
an
arena.
It's
not
a!
It's
not
a
proper
comp
to
United
or.
D
A
My
next
question
is
for
Mr
Lemon
you
had
mentioned
the
ambient
traffic
is
less
for
concerts
than
a
football
game.
Could
you
address
that.
K
So,
let's
just
say,
10
o'clock
at
night
on
a
Saturday
or
on
a
Friday
or
Thursday
versus,
say
six
seven
o'clock,
so
significantly
less
so
I'd
have
to
get
back
and
look
at
the
specific
numbers
to
tell
you
but
I
think
it's
in
the
range
of
75
percent
less
in
that
10
o'clock
time
frame
than
what
it
is
in
that
six
to
seven
like
pre-event
peak
hour,
and
so
what
we
did
was
when
we
did
our
accounts.
We
looked
at
a
Thursday.
K
We
looked
at
a
Saturday
Thursday
to
represent
a
weeknight
Saturday
to
look
at
a
weekend
night.
We
also
did
a
couple
counts
that
select
intersections
on
Fridays
to
understand
how
different
our
Fridays
from
say,
Thursdays
or
from
Saturdays,
and
so
they're
they're,
basically
reflective
of
like
what
you
would
find
on
a
Saturday
night
or
a
Thursday
pre-event.
So
those
those
are
kind
of
similar.
So
we
didn't
do
a
separate
Friday.
We
figured
Thursday
and
Saturday
cover
those
right.
K
A
The
last
question
I
have
is
I
I'm
guessing
for
Mr
Davis,
you're,
probably
the
best
suited
for
this.
A
So
we
have
before
us
two
different
parts
to
the
same
animal
one
being
concerts,
making
a
text
Amendment
change,
so
that
concerts
would
be
permitted
at
Ryan
at
Ryan
Stadium,
the
other
one
being
a
rebuilding
of
the
stadium
does
Northwestern
feel
that
one
is
incumbent
upon
the
other.
So,
for
example,
if
this
commission
were
to
recommend
a
rebuilding
of
the
stadium,
but
not
the
concerts,
does
that
mean
the
stadium
doesn't
get
built
or
I?
N
Happy
to
answer
that
question
so
I
think
the
University's
position
is
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
build
a
facility
that
is
truly
a
generational
opportunity.
So
the
the
reason
that
this
is
on
our
doorsteps,
Northwestern
and
obviously
the
city
as
well,
is
because
of
a
gift
and
that
gift
is
to
rebuild
this
stadium
and
as
you've
seen
tonight.
N
Hopefully
we
are
trying
to
take
into
account
the
concerns
that
we
know
are
out
there
to
build
this
type
of
facility,
both
the
financial
investment,
but
also
just
the
quality
you
heard
from
Darren
and
everyone
else
and
to
use
it
six
times
a
year
is
not
something
the
university
is
prepared
to
do.
I
think
we've
talked
in
the
past
also
about
making
sure
that
whatever
we
build
here
is
sustainable
into
the
long
run.
We
don't
want
a
stadium
to
look
the
way.
The
current
Ryan
Field
does
today
nothing
against
our
Athletics
friends.
N
The
stadium
is
not
in
great
shape
and
we
know
that
and
whatever
we
build,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it
looks
and
operates
like
this
in
as
close
to
perpetuity
as
we
can
get
and
frankly
doing
that
on
six
football
games
a
year
with
this
type
of
venue
is
not
possible,
and
so
the
University's
position
is
that
the
two
to
for
us
to
consider
the
project
today,
the
two
are
coming.
D
So
I
I
have
a
follow-up
to
that,
because
something
is
bothering
me
and
something
I
don't
understand
in
I
think
it
was
February.
You
came
to
the
Evanston
and
you
said
we
have
to
have
12
concerts
or
we
cannot
afford
to
build
this
building
and
then
a
few
months
later,
then,
a
few
months
later
you
said
we
have
to
have
10
concerts
or
we
can't
build
this
building
and
now
you're
saying
we
have
to
have
six
concerts.
N
Understand
that
I
think
this
has
been
a
process
again
as
you've
heard
today,
that
has
gone
through
a
number
of
iterations
and
that
iteration
is
on
the
design
on
the
operations
of
the
stadium,
but
frankly
also
on
the
financial
model
of
the
stadium,
both
in
terms
of
the
capital,
investment
and
capital
structure,
to
build
something
like
this
and
then
also
Downstream.
N
How
do
you
operate
and
how
do
you
operate
it
in
a
sustainable,
Financial
Manner,
and
that
is
something
that
continues
to
happen
day
in
and
day
out,
so
where
we
started
in
February,
we've
learned
substantially
more
since
then
we
we
have
a
business
model
that
we
think
with
a
number
that
we've
put
forward
Six
concerts.
We
can
operate
this
thing
again.
We
do
want
to
reinvest
into
it
on
an
annual
basis
to
keep
it.
Looking.
This
way
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
the
type
of
programming
for
the
community
we
talked
about
here
today.
N
D
N
D
And
maybe
it's
not
the
source,
it's
not
the
Ryan
company
but
I
I!
Guess
given
and
I'm
I'm
still
thinking
about
this
12
to
10
to
6
and
and
aren't
there
other
sources
of
funds
that
will
make
this
more
acceptable
to
the
community,
because
I
think
there's
just
so
much
opposition
to
this.
So.
N
We
understand
we
understand.
Obviously
the
number
of
the
questions
here
tonight
are
about
the
additional
uses
of
the
stadium.
We've
tried
to
lower
that
number
to
a
point
that
we
think
we
we're
doing
our
best
to
address
the
concerns
that
are
out
there
in
Trying
to
minimize
that
impact.
We
obviously
have
other
Revenue
sources
tied
to
the
stadium.
It's
not
just
ticket
sales.
There
are
things
like
sponsorships
are
out
there
as
well.
This
is
one
component
of
bringing
it
all
together
and
making
it
work.
E
N
A
baseline
again,
I
am
not
an
accountant.
There
may
be
some
accountants
in
the
room
in
terms
of
what
depreciation
would
mean
for
a
stadium
like
this,
you
could
do
the
math
in
terms
of
useful
life
with
this
type
of
investment.
N
N
What
we've
said
publicly
in
the
past
is
that
the
concerts
itself
generate
something
in
the
order
of
magnitude
of
about
two
million
dollars
kind
of
net
a
year
kind
of
that
that's
to
kind
of
the
University.
There
are
certainly
aspects
of
concerts
that
impact
other
aspects
of
the
business
model
as
well.
So,
certainly,
if
you
are
trying
to
sell
seats,
Suites
things
like
that
having
more
than
six
Northwestern
football
games
will
help.
You
do
something
like
that.
N
If
you
are
trying
to
get
the
right
amount
of
sponsorship
dollars
again
to
make
this
thing
sustainable,
more
eyes
on
those
will
help
you
generate
that
activity.
So
it
is,
there's
certainly
some
net
dollars
associated
with
concerts,
but
it
is
also
about
how
do
those
fit
into
the
broader
business
model
for
the
stadium.
E
I
like
to
actually
focus
a
bit
on
the
language
of
the
text,
Amendment
because,
quite
frankly,
I
found
a
lot
of
it,
confusing
and
and
I'd
like
to
get
some
clarification.
So
the
first
question
is
per
the
purpose
statement
of
the
U2
District,
the
U2
University
athletic
facilities
district
is
intended
to
permit
the
utilization
of
University
facilities
within
the
district
in
a
manner
that
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
development,
which
is
predominantly
residential,
so
I
think
my
my
again.
O
C
O
E
Then
my
second
question
and
and
again
the
text
amendment
allows
events
to
have
a
capacity
of
up
to
ten
thousand,
which
is
the
current
language.
The
question
is:
Welsh.
Ryan
only
accommodates
slightly
more
than
seven
thousand,
you
know.
So
why
not?
You
know
why
leave
that
language
at
ten
thousand?
Why
not
reduce
the
capacity
down
to
something
closer
to
you
know
like
7
500,
or
you
know,
assuming
you're
putting
seats
on
the
floor
or
whatever
so.
E
Your
universe
and
you're
not
proposing
to
change
that
right
where.
O
We
in
the
January
iteration
we
had
made
some
cleanup
changes
to
that
and
then,
quite
frankly,
simplify
things.
We
said:
let's
just
not
touch
that
section.
E
Then
I
have
a
real
clarification
question.
You
know
the
section
that's
dealing
with
outdoor
lectures,
speakers
and
non-musical
events.
It
ends
with
the
following
sentences.
So
such
events
shall
not
include
any
outdoor
Plaza
rentals
to
organizations
not
affiliated
with
with
the
University
or
city
and
I'm
really
kind
of
trying
to
understand
what
that
means.
Does
that
mean
that
outdoor
Plaza
rentals
are
prohibited
entirely
or
could
an
non-affiliated
group
rent
the
facilities
for
other
uses.
O
Yeah
great
question
so
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
that
section
is
make
it
very
clear
that
by
right
the
use
is
limited
to
University
and
City
events
that
was
in
response
to
feedback
or
suspicions
that
we
were
going
to
try
to.
You
know
make
it
rent
these
out
all
the
time
for
private
entities.
So
we
wanted
that
section
to
be
really
focused
on
a
lot
of
the
plaza
activation
items
that
Luke
went
through
in
his
presentation.
At
the
end
of
the
current
text,
Amendment
there's,
a
section
that
says
use
is
not
outlined.
O
Herein
shall
require
approval
by
the
city
special
events
committee,
so
what
those
other
private
entities
would
need
to
do
is
go
through
the
typical
special
events
process
that
any
other
you
know
private
event
in
the
city
at
any
other
venue
that
needs
to
go
through
that
process
would
have
to
do
so.
We
were
trying
in
that
sentence
that
you're
noticing
to
try
to
limit
ourselves
in
response
to
community
feedback
on
what
types
of
events
could
be
there
by
right.
With
this
text,
Amendment
I'm.
E
Would
need
to
be
prohibited
if
that's
what
you
mean
sure
it
should
say
prohibited.
Okay,
then
I've
got
an
a
question.
You
know
the
proposed
text
Amendment,
you
know
the
public-facing
concerts
are
limited
to
the
you
know,
capacity
of
the
facility,
and
you
know
you've.
You
know
right
and
it
doesn't
specify
any
number,
and
so
the
consultant
reports
have
said
that
concerts
would
be
limited
to
28
500
rather
than
the
thirty
five
thousand
current
capacity.
E
Ryan
Field
has
got
a
capacity
of
47
000
now
and
so
the
you
know,
question
is
if,
for
some
reason
the
stadium
construction
doesn't
proceed
and
the
text
amendment
is
as
approved.
You
know
what
what
happens
then
I
mean
you.
You've
got
if
the
text
amendment
is
approved
and
you
have
the
current
Ryan
Field
allowed
to
have
public
facing
concerts.
E
O
Happens
so
I
guess
two
two
parts
one
is
I
just
want
to
clarify
why
we
use
the
capacity
of
the
venue
as
opposed
to
to
28
500.
It
was
not
trying
to
you
know,
pull
one
over.
What
we're
proposing
to
do
is
that
the
Six
concerts
are
that's
the
max
all
throughout
the
YouTube
District,
which
opens
up
the
opportunity
that
some
are
going
to
be
indoors
at
Walsh
Ryan.
That
was
a
smaller
capacity.
AB
E
The
new
stadium,
because
I
because
I
well
I,
was
just
going
to
ask
because
the
public
facing
concerts
could
be
at
Welsh
Ryan
per
this
amendment
and
which
obviously
has
a
much
lower
capacity,
and
probably
not
you
know,
quite
as
many
adverse
impacts,
because
the
parking
demand
would
be
less
and
others,
but
again
that
that
section
of
the
amendment,
it's
not
clear
what
it
is.
You
are
intending.
O
E
Okay
and
then
why
did
you
propose
eliminating
the
temporary
events
section
altogether.
O
I
think
that
our
idea
behind
that
is,
you
know
the
temporary
event.
Language
didn't
work
for
what
we
were
pursuing
or
wanting
to
do,
and
we
didn't
want
to
try
to
do
to
include
both
we.
We
would
retain
it
if
that
were
the
wish,
we
were
just
trying
to
be
reasonable
respondent
feedback
about
concerns
about
how
much
activity
is
going
to
be
here.
E
Well,
I
think
that
one
of
the
problems
that
I
again
the
public
facing
concert
section
and
that's
the
one
that
requires
the
permit.
You
know
that
has
a
bunch
of
conditions
attached
to
it
and
you
know
well,
first,
you
know
and-
and
the
question
is,
that
a
lot
of
those
those
conditions
might
be
applicable
to
other.
You
know
the
expanded
use
of
of
the
the
U2
district
for
other
kinds
of
events,
but
so,
for
example,
I've
got
a
whole
series
on
those.
E
The
the
standards
for
the
public-facing
concerts
require
the
submission
of
a
coordinated
traffic
management
plan
to
the
city,
and
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
who
does?
Does
it
have
to
be
approved
by
somebody
or
just
submitted?
The
language
isn't
clear
and
you
know
kind
of
what
happens
if
it
doesn't.
If
it's
not
acceptable.
O
Well,
something
that
we're
proposing
for
this
is
for
both
items
of
relief
that
we're
looking
for
is
that
mou,
and
that
would
cover
not
just
what's
in
the
text
Amendment,
but
everything
that's
being
approved.
We
would
expect
that
mou
as
well
as
what
should
be
included
in
that
we've
put
out
a
proposal
of
what
that,
in
our
minds,
would
include
we'd,
be
open
to
feedback
if
we
missed
anything,
but
that
would
cover
all
activities
in
Ryan
Field,
including
concerts
covered
by
the
text.
Amendment.
E
O
Project
what
we've
discussed
as
far
as
timing
for
that
with
staff
is
that
the
ordinance
would
have
an
attachment.
That
is
that
this
is
what
needs
to
be
in
the
mou
and
that
we
would
then
negotiate
that
and
finalize
it
prior
to
permits,
or
the
first
event
we
haven't
identified,
which
one
the
idea
behind
being
in
the
mou
similar
to
what
Peter
covered
is
that
we
expect
that
look.
If
we
did
a
traffic
demand
management
plan
10
years
ago,
Uber
wouldn't
be
in
there.
O
We
need
to
have
the
ability
to
work
with
staff,
obviously,
would
have
to
be
approved
by
staff.
It
wouldn't
be
unilateral,
and
that
is
something
that
we're
proposing
that
both
parties
would
have
to
agree
to
any
changes
but
to
allow
for
a
framework
to
be
put
out
there,
but
to
give
us
time
to
finalize
those
as
events
or
as
things
change
over
the
next
few
years,
as
Luke
mentioned
earlier,
our
first
event's
not
going
to
be
for
at
least
two
years,
yeah.
E
But
you
know
again
there
there's,
not
the
language
doesn't
say
that
the
city
has
to
approve
it.
It
just
says
you
have
to
submit
the
university
has
to
submit
and
then
again
under
the
standards,
the
the
transportation
management
plan
appears
just
to
apply
to
the
public
facing
concerts.
It's
listed
as
the
conditions
under
that,
and-
and
you
know
it
really
goes
to
what
about
the
traffic
impacts
from
other
uses.
E
You
know
or
expansion
abuses,
because
you've
gotta
you're
expanding
the
the
number
of
events
that
can
happen
and
as
I
think
we
someone
said
earlier,
there's
not
a
current
traffic
management
plan
in
place
that
governs
existing
activities.
So
what
that
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
addressed
in
this,
this
amendment
in.
O
In
the
text,
Amendment
you're,
so
I
believe
it
was
part
of
the
packet,
the
LOI,
so
we
do
have
that,
and
this
was
a
draft.
We
wanted
to
make
that
very
clear
for
feedback
and
input
by
both
this
commission
and
the
city
council,
but
I
think
seems
that,
from
my
perspective,
that
those
details
are
more
appropriately
fleshed
out
in
that.
O
E
O
E
And
then
not
being
a
lawyer
with
respect
to
the
language
about
the
provision
of
the
traffic
control
Vice
devices,
it
says
you
know
reasonable,
reasonable
provision.
So
what
does
reasonable
mean.
O
O
E
And
I
think
final
question
on
on
this
particular
Topic,
at
least
for
for
you
is
you
know
how
many
full
capacity
events
happen
at
the
stadium
in
Welsh
Ryan
now
does
somebody
know,
and
and
and
basically
what
I
the
question
is
and
I
don't
think
this
is
the
intent,
but
does
the
intent
the
text
Amendment
allow
for
the
possibility
of
a
concert
being
scheduled
when
some
non-fold
capacity
event
is
happening
elsewhere
in
the
U2
District.
O
E
U
A
I'm
going
to
interject
here
real
quickly,
I
had
mentioned
earlier
that
we
probably
would
not
get
the
citizen
comment
tonight,
based
on
the
fact
that
it
is
currently
10
till
10
and
I
still
have
eight
organizations
that
have
will
have
time
to
present
10
minutes
to
present
each
I
can
guarantee
at
this
point
that
we
will
not
get
to
the
regular
public
testimony
that
we
receive
I'm.
Just
saying
that,
because
I
know
some
of
you
probably
have
better
things
to
do
than
sit
here
and
listen
to
this.
A
You
also
can
watch
this
on
YouTube
at
a
later
date,
and
you
can
fast
forward
through
certain
parts
if
you'd
like,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
statement
out
there
I'm
not
telling
people
they
have
to
leave
or
anything
like
that.
I'm.
Just
saying
that
at
this
point
it
doesn't
look
like
we
will
reach
the
the
typical
citizen
comment.
The
one
person
I
will
ask
to
stay
is
Scott.
A
Gingold
is
here,
I
see
him
out
in
the
anti-chamber
there,
because
he
was
requesting
a
continuance
and
I
would
like
to
address
that
this
evening
as
well.
But
everybody
else
who
was
signed
up
for
citizen
comment,
I'm
just
letting
you
know
that
we
probably
will
not
get
to
you
this
evening.
I
can
guarantee.
A
We
will
not
get
to
you
this
evening
because
it's
already
just
before
10
and
we
probably
have
a
couple
hours
yet
worth
of
other
things
and
I-
don't
want
to
start
public
testimony
at
10,
all
right
midnight
or
12
30
in
the
morning.
So
I'm
just
going
to
let
you
know,
there's
a
hand
up
and
back
and
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
come
up,
please
so
that
you
can
be
heard
on
the
microphone.
AA
AC
AA
A
It
is
a
continuance,
but
what
I
want
to
know
is:
are
there
issues
that
you
particularly
want
to
dress,
because
we're
going
to
have
a
three-week
interim,
and
so
I
want
to
know
if
there
are
specific
issues
that
are
being
requested
and
continuous
and
continuances,
which
is
our
standard
operating
procedure
and
I
want
to
find
out?
If
there
are
questions
you
have,
if
there
are
things
you
would
like
to
see
from
Northwestern
that
they
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
I.
AC
Cannot
speak
to
to
details
because
half
of
what
Northwestern
said,
I
couldn't
even
hear
back
there,
so
I
will
be
forced
to
see
the
video
before
I
can
even
understand
what
went
on
here
number
one,
because
the
sound
is
terrible
over
there
and
secondly,
because
a
lot
of
the
stuff
is
new,
I
haven't
had
time
to
digest
it.
I
cannot
respond
to
things
like
that
if
they're
brand
new.
A
To
interrupt
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
statement
out
there
so
that
people
could
feel
free
to
leave
and
you
are
not
going
to
lose.
Your
spot.
I've
still
got
the
sign-in
sheet
and
and
we
will
be
meeting
again
on
the
27th.
E
Sorry,
but
in
the
there
was
an
art,
the
August
second
2023
letter
from
Mr
Nielsen.
He
suggested
placing
that
placing
sound
limits
produced
by
touring
concerts
and
notes.
It
may
be
difficult
to
determine
an
appropriate
interior
sound
limit
without
understanding
exactly
how
this
concert
sound
escapes
from
the
stadium
in
real
events.
So
I
guess
the
basic
question
is:
why
proposed
the
text
Amendment
now
you
know
based
on
modeling,
rather
than
waiting
until
there's
a
concert
in
place
for
a
stadium
in
place.
O
I'll
answer
just
because
Luke
was
said
stepped
out,
I
think
it
goes
back
to
Luke's
response
is.
E
O
To
move
forward,
we
need
to
know
that
we
can
do
the
concerts
now.
Okay,.
E
And
then
next
question
is
the
various
studies
again
have
focused
on
the
addition
of
concerts
and
I?
Think
you
know
the
bottom.
One
of
the
bottom
line
questions
is
what
the
traffic
and
sound
impact
is
going
to
be
during
due
to
the
other
uses
that
are
allowed.
O
So
I
and
Peter,
or
one
of
the
other
Consultants
jump
up
if
I
miss
anything.
But
the
reason
for
that
is
we
in
you
know
we
in
general,
you
try
to
be
conservative
in
your
studies.
O
We
see
the
concerts
as
having
the
most
impact
and
the
most
different
impact,
so
we're
really
not
changing
the
football
stadium
isn't
going
to
be
or
it's
football
for
football,
but
we're
adding
a
new
new
traffic
pattern,
for
example
with
the
concerts,
and
so
that's
why
we
focused
on
the
concerts
both
for
traffic
because
they
have
different
traffic
patterns
from
the
existing
use,
as
well
as
it
would
be
assumed
the
largest
sound
impact
and
so
to
be
conservative.
We
focused
on
that
use.
E
Okay,
let's
see.
E
This
again
is
a
I've
got
some
more
site
development
questions,
for
whoever
wants
to
take
them
is
the
location
of
the
parking
lot.
Access
drive
on
Central
Street
being
changed
under
the
current
design,
or
is
it
instilled
in
the
same
location.
T
Yes,
a
permeable
pavement
is
a
big
part
of
our
storm
water
management
plan,
not
only
in
the
parking
lots
but
also
in
the
plazas,
particularly
in
the
the
south
end
of
the
site.
The
bulk
of
the
the
paving
in
the
in
the
open
areas
where
the
crowds
would
go
through
ticketing
is
is
all
permeable
pavement.
E
E
From
what
I
understand,
I
get
I
guess
for
the
the
sound
equipment
that
the
the
performers
usually
build.
Yeah
bring
is,
is
the
proposed
sound,
amp
PA
system
in
the
stadium
concert
quality?
Don't
artists
usually
bring
their
own
sound
systems
that
have
to
be
assembled
along
with
the
stages?
That's.
E
Okay,
so
the
and
then
with
respect
to
tear
down
one
of
the
suggested
staff
conditions,
was
that
the
tear
down
has
to
happen
within
two
hours
of
a
concert.
Completion.
Is
that
even
possible?
How
long
does
how
long
to
set
up
and
tear
down
usually
take
for.
J
The
type
of
production
that
I'm
anticipating
for
this
venue
for
the
type
of
production
that
we're
anticipating
for
this
venue
it's
a
day
and
a
half
of
build
up
and
load
in,
and
it
occurs
a
lot
quicker
than
that
they
seem
to
be
motivated
to
move
on
to
the
next
place.
But
I
will
say
that
I
think
if,
where,
where
we're
going
is
what
hours
or
when
did
that
occur?
J
That's
all
within
the
scope
of
whatever
concert
management
plan
we
would
have
and
any
provisions
that
are
going
to
be
put
in
place
touring
touring
pro
Productions
will
have
to
follow
those
particular
requirements.
It's
it's
incumbent
on
venue
management
to
work
with
the
production
to
work
through
all
those
Logistics.
C
J
E
E
J
E
How
off
how
far
in
advance
are
the
acts
typically
booked?
I
know
ticket
sales?
This
could
happen
months
in
advance,
so
I'm.
What
I'm
really
kind
of
trying
to
get
at
is
how
much
lead
time
is
there
to
work
out
the
traffic
management
plan
for
any
particular
event.
J
E
J
So
using
that
as
a
as
a
guide,
there
will
be
a
plan
for
the
stadium
in
those
activities
and
then
a
subsequent
or
an
addendum
specific
to
Any
Given
event
hours
on
that
event
day
of
the
week
other
activities
that
might
be
happening.
Those
are
all
parts
and
pieces
of
of
how
those
plans
are
are
put
together
but
specific
to
your
question
about
booking
and
how
far
in
advance.
J
So
if
it's
a
touring
show,
let's
assume
that
this
venue
is
pursuing
an
event
or
an
artist
that
is
also
on
the
amphitheater
touring
route,
which
I
I
said
earlier
I
believe
is
more
more
in
line.
Those
would
likely
be
eight,
eight
months,
10
months
in
advance
on
average,
as
the
tours
are
being
put
together
as
the
routing
is
put
together
and
and
those
those
bookings,
as
it's
called,
would
likely
occur,
eight
ten
months
out,
sometimes
six
months,
but
within
six
months,
that
that
that's
not
typical.
J
J
Let's
assume,
there's
a
wine
and
food
festival
or
fourth
of
July
Festival
that's
being
planned,
and
it
is
part
of
the
annual
calendar
for
for
for
the
Ryan
Field.
That
might
be
a
shorter
time
period
and
that
might
be
a
much
longer
time.
Period
depends
on
the
management
team
and
because
it's
organic
you're
not
dealing
with
routing
tours
you're,
not
dealing
with
trying
to
catch
a
tour
on
its
on
its
circuit
or
its
route,
and
so
that
might
be
shorter
or
much
longer
depends.
E
Okay
and
then
I'm
partially,
this
is
for
you
and
then
partially
for
the
attorney.
Now
one
of
the
standards
in
the
text
Amendment,
you
know
it
addresses
the
Implement
amplification
of
concert
music
and
it's
not
clear
whether
or
not
sound
checks
or
other
music
are
really
covered
in
that
and
I
understand
from
talking
to
somebody
else's
kind
of
in
the
business,
the
stagehands
typically
you're,
blurring
music.
E
You
know
when
they're
setting
during
setup-
and
you
know
they're
they're
at
that
point-
using
the
the
venue
sound
system,
primarily
so
I
guess
you
know-
is
that.
Has
that
been
your
experience
and
and
I
guess
again
for
clarification
on
the
text?
Amendment
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
dealing
with
music
generally
at
the
facility,
not
just
during
the
concert
period,
sure.
J
No,
in
my
experience,
the
venue's
sound
system
is
not
utilized.
It
is,
it
is
a
specialized
production
equipment
set
that
is
brought
to
the
point
of
sound
check,
so
so
soundcheck
is
as
it
as
the
term
defines
it's,
ensuring
that
all
the
connections
and
ambient
levels
and
all
the
equipment
is,
is
properly
choreographed
and
sequenced
and
synchronized
that
that
process
isn't
isn't
at
the
same
level
in,
in
my
experience,
I,
don't
believe
at
the
same
level
or
duration
as
a
concert.
J
It
is
right,
I
feel
like
it's
elements
of
what
will
be
will
be
elements
of
or
instruments
of
the
performance
and
and
periods
or
examples
or
samples
of
that
to
test
the
certain
connections
and
and
settings
that
the
audio
technician
is
is,
is
setting
or
being
called
to
set
for
that.
For
that
particular
event,
I
am
not
an
expert
on
that
side.
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
I
hate,
to
say
this,
but
I
can't
carry
a
tune.
J
So
I
don't
know
anything
about
music
other
than
how
to
put
it
on
and
and
and
have
people
enjoy
it
when
they're
at
venues
that
I
manage,
but
soundcheck
tends
to
be
just
that
it
it's
a
if
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
last
minute
check
and
and
clarification
and
and
authentication
or
certification,
that
the
system
is
ready
to
be
performed,
as
the
artist
intends.
Okay,.
E
E
I
I
I
think
the
the
big
question
one
of
the
big
questions
I've
got
is
is
did
the
traffic
study?
Did
you
con?
Consider
pedestrian
volumes
of
people
exiting
the
stadium.
K
E
K
Auto,
traffic
bike,
traffic,
pedestrian
traffic-
that's
just
a
matter
of
course
in
this
area
in
general
and
so
intersection.
Analyzes
include
traffic
volumes
for
cars,
traffic
volumes
for
pedestrians
again,
a
lot
of
the
manual
control
of
these
intersections.
That's
not
just
left
up
to
the
traffic
signal
and
its
default
programming.
It's
managed
by
typically
multiple
officers
or
traffic
control,
folks,
who
are
manually
overriding
the
traffic
signals
or
directing
pedestrians.
K
E
Yeah
I
I
think
that
the
the
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
this
the
sidewalks,
particularly
on
on
Central
Street
heading
toward
the
CTA,
are
pretty
narrow.
The
parkway
is
really
narrow
and
you
know,
as
a
you
know,
a
shared
two
season
tickets
for
20
years
with
friends
of
mine
and
so
I.
You
know
certainly
have
seen
on
numerous
occasions
when
the
game
doesn't
is
close
and
everybody
stays
at
the
end.
When
people
exit
you
end
up
with
people,
I
mean
the
street
is
Central.
Street
is
full
of
pedestrians.
E
You
know
walking
down,
I've
seen
cars
stranded
I,
you
know
one
occasion,
I
saw
an
ambulance
stranded
and
you
know
it
couldn't
move.
You
know
it
could
move
at
the
at
the
pace
of
people
walking.
So
despite
the
fact
that
the
university
has
the
police
and-
and
you
know
their
their
people
directing
chat
traffic
and
you
know
changing
the
phasing,
that's
you
know,
that's
that
you
know
emergency
vehicle
access
during
those
situations,
I
think
it's
problematic
and
is
there
anything
that
can
be
you
know?
Okay,
is
that
gonna?
Can
you
know?
K
I
I,
in
my
observations
that
has
not
been
what
I
have
seen
exactly
in
terms
of
ambulances
and
fire
trucks
being
stuck
in
traffic.
It's
not
to
say
it's
never
happened
or
it
couldn't
ever
happen.
But
what
I've?
What
we've
observed,
particularly
this
last
season,
was
how
ambulance
and
and
fire
emergency
response
Vehicles
approached
and
departed
during
pre
and
post
game
conditions,
because
it
does
happen
and
we
did
see
how
the
how
the
police,
at
the
intersections
communicate.
They
can
see
them
coming,
they're
communicating
to
Downstream
intersections
to
let
them
know.
K
What's
going
on
and
as
I
said
during
events,
you
know
Central
Street.
The
parking
is
stripped
in
that
section
east
of
Green
Bay.
So
there
is
room,
it's
not
operated
as
two
full
travel,
Lanes
there's
room
for
people
to
pull
over
or
people
to
get
around
people
making
left
turns
onto
Ashland
and
so
forth
and
again,
I
think
Scott
talked
about
earlier
the
command
center
at
the
at
the
stadium
itself.
That's
done
in
partnership
with
with
police
and
fire.
So.
AD
K
Know
that's
a
very
important
aspect
that
we
want
to
continue
to
to
operate.
It's
not
to
say
that
you
would
never
have
some
issue.
That's
clearly
a
priority
that
we
would
want
to
avoid.
But
again
active
management
of
intersections
all
up
and
down
the
corridor
is
one
of
the
best
ways
to
to
do
that.
I
think
you
know,
then.
Yes,
we've
we've
seen
other
issues
where
the
sidewalks
can
overflow
I
think
during
football
games.
K
One
of
the
issues
that
we
see
is
sometimes
people
come
to
tailgate
and
they
don't
stay
for
the
game
and
they
start
heading
back
to
the
train,
even
as
the
game
goes
on,
so
you
have
kind
of
counter
flow
people
coming
and
going
at
the
same
time
it
doesn't
help
when
Mustard's
Last
Stand
has
a
hot
dog
stand
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk,
which
is
also
a
regular
occurrence.
So.
E
Does
it
does
block.
K
E
And
then,
along
the
same
lines,
you
know
you've
projected
that
30
percent
will
use
CTA.
So
that's
8,
300
people
after
a
after
a
concert.
Okay,
so
can
you
kind
of
comment
on
the
ability
to
you
know
get
that
many
people
from
the
the
stadium
to
the
you
know,
onto
trains
and
and
out
of
the
area
I
mean
it's.
You
know
it's
kind
of
the
math,
the
the
grade
school
word
problem
and,
and
you
know,
kind
of
getting
people
away
getting.
E
K
K
And
so
yeah
so
and
I
know,
we've
seen
comments
about
that
and
the
math
of
that-
and
that's
that's
true.
So
when
we
develop
these
percentages
for
the
for
the
CTA,
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
was
what
kind
of
ridership
do
we
have
at
Wrigley
Field?
It's
just
an
example
of
an
adjacent
redline
stop
next
to
a
venue
when
they
have
concerts
they
have
in
the
magnitude
of
like
10
to
13
000
people
using
those
trains.
K
It's
a
little
bit
different
here,
purple
line
and
then
transferring
at
Howard,
and
it
would
take
some
additional
operation.
It's
not
like
you're
running
your
normal
train
schedule,
but
we
have
had
some
early
conversations
with
CTA
about
that
about
operational
increases
to
provide
additional
capacity.
K
You
know
it
is
going
to
be
busy
I'm,
not
saying
that
it's
going
to
be
yeah,
walk
right
onto
the
platform,
get
on
a
train
and
go.
These
are
going
to
be
very
full
trains
for
an
hour
after
a
concert
or
more
as
people
are
going,
you
know,
I
think
you
know
30
sometimes
could
be
high
on
the
L
and
other
people.
I
think
10
could
be
low
on
Metro.
K
The
Metro
can
also
provide
additional
capacity
and
probably
more
capacity
in
some
cases
than
no
so
depending
on
where
you're
going
there's
going
to
be
a
variety
of
options,
and
the
idea
is
to
how
do
we
minimize
some
of
the
traffic
in
the
area
is
by
relying
on
Transit,
so
it's
using
Transit
and
our
partners
at
the
CTA
Metra
to
do
that.
It's
it's
going
to
be
a
very
busy
flow
to
get
onto
the
trains
post
event.
K
E
And
my
final
traffic
question
and
I'm
actually
almost
done
with
my
questions,
you
know
the
in
the
traffic
analysis.
You've
got
certain
intersections
that
are
projected
to
operator
level
of
service,
erf
and
currently
most
of
them
are,
you
know,
even
in
the
peak
period,
C
is
about
as
bad
as
it
gets,
and
usually
you
know
it.
It
only
takes
a
minute
to
go
or
two
to
go
from
Ridge
to
to
you
know
Green
Bay
now
so
obviously
the
the
flow
is
works
really
really
well,
but
yeah.
K
Comment
on
the
yeah,
so
levels
of
service
level
of
service
is
just
a
letter
grade
given
based
on
average
delay
per
vehicle.
So
it's
a
typical
kind
of
traffic
engineering
exercise
relating
to
the
capacity
of
intersections,
so
I
think
if
you
were
looking
at
developments
like
say
a
residential
building
or
an
office
development
you're
going
to
look
at
typical
peak
hour
conditions
and
you're
going
to
have
these.
These
kind
of
conditions
happen.
K
Five
six
seven
days
a
week
for
special
events
or
large
large
venues
that
are
relatively
infrequent
you're,
going
to
be
able
to
probably
generally
tolerate
lower
levels
of
service,
because
these
are
relatively
infrequent
events.
These
aren't
things
happening
all
the
time.
You
also
the
ways
to
try
to
address
capacity
traditionally
are
adding
more
Lanes
I.
Think
in
a
community
like
ours,
we're
not
interested
in
having
Central
Street,
be
a
five
or
six
Lane
Road,
there's
also
physical
constraints,
with
the
viaduct
just
east
of
Green
Bay
Road.
That
would
prevent
that.
K
K
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
other
competing
movements
that
a
lot
of
your
intersections
you're
able
to
flow
traffic
out
so
that
using
those
strategies,
that's
how
you
get
the
most
out
of
the
intersections
that
you
have,
while
still
maintaining
kind
of
pedestrian
scale
streets,
that
during
the
rest
of
the
year
you
still
like,
and
you
like
the
character
of
the
street,
that
it
provides
to
to
apply
a
traditional
like
say,
level,
service,
C
or
D
type
of
criteria.
To
something
that
happens,
this
infrequently
is
is
not
common.
E
Impact
report-
and
you
know
they
were
you
know,
the
estimate
is
that
there
will
be
you
know
the
the
planning,
design
and
construction
will
support.
Approximately
you
know
2
900
jobs
and
I.
Guess
the
question
is:
can
that
funds?
Oh?
Oh.
AE
E
With
respect
to
the
economic
report,
it
says
it's
estimating
that
the
design,
planning
and
construction
of
the
new
stadium
will
support
2,
900
jobs
and
I
guess
the
question
is,
is,
and
it
says
that
in
their
local
jobs,
so
the
question
is
how
many
jobs
are
you
anticipating
would
be
held
by
of
those
jobs
would
actually
be
by
Evanston
residents
and
it's
kind
of
gets
into
the?
What
does
local
mean?
Are
we
talking
city
of
City
of
Evanston?
E
AF
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
Paul
lembach
I'm,
the
consultant
with
trip
umbach
I've,
been
working
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
with
the
university
very
good
question.
There's
two
different
models.
The
first
model
is
building
the
800
million
dollar
Stadium
right
and
the
amount
of
jobs
that
we're
saying
is
local,
is
really
Regional
and
it's
within
the
Three
Counties.
And
if
you
look
at
all
of
those
jobs
there
wouldn't
be
enough
people
that
hold
those
kind
of
jobs
that
are
from
the
city
of
Evansville
Evanston.
AF
AF
That's
been,
like
all
downtowns
heard
a
little
bit
by
covid
and
the
folks
that
I've
been
interviewing
and
talking
to
from
the
business
community
and
I
think
there
are
many
of
the
3
000
people
that
signed
the
petition
for
Northwestern
see
that
this
will
help
keep
local
jobs
in
small
businesses.
So
that's
the
best
I
can
tell
you
at
this
stage
of
on
your
your
very
nice
question.
E
Okay
and
then
I
guess
similarly-
and
this
is
probably
for
the
university
in
terms
of
the
commitment
to
for
an
MBE
wbe
standard
again-
is
that
you
know
that
that
are
you,
anticipating
at
all,
being
Evanston,
mbewbes
or
again.
Is
this
a
regional
thing,
because
again,
if
they're,
only
a
thousand
or
so
Evanston
evanstonians
that
are
engaged
in
in
construction?
Q
First
I'll
say:
that's
the
Target
that
we've
decided
are
are
very,
very
important
to
us
and
the
sorry.
Thank
you.
So,
first
of
all
the
targets
that
we've
said
are
very
important
to
us,
because
we
understand
the
the
impact
that
you
know
during
construction
that
projects
like
this
can
have
and
when
we
set
the
goal
it,
it
is
really
focused
on
the
combination
of
local
minority
women,
disadvantaged
businesses
and
that
will
primarily
include
and
first
and
foremost
evanstonians.
So
we
take
that
very
seriously.
Q
Q
So
we're
we're
we're
we're
reaching
out
to
these
entities
we're
reaching
out
to
the
companies
to
not
only
look
for
opportunities
for
them
to
completely
own
a
scope
of
work
or
completely
own
a
contract
that
that
they
can,
you
know,
really
achieve
in
or
really
be
successful
in,
but
also
maybe
partner
them
with
our
contractors,
partner
them
with
larger
firms
so
that
they
can
learn
from
the
experience
and
grow
from
the
experience.
It's
not
about
this
one
opportunity.
It's
about
using
this
opportunity
to
grow
their
business
and
be
more
successful
in
the
future.
Q
E
And
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
my
understanding
is
that
when
Robert
Crown
was
built,
which
is
a
much
much
smaller
project,
that
contractor
also
had
a
local
hiring
commitment
and
had
to
go
back
to
the
city
council
because
they
couldn't
find
an
enough
people
to
begin
to
meet
that.
So
so
you
know
so
I
guess.
The
question
is:
is
this
how
meaningful
a
commitment
is
this
for
Evanston.
Q
So
it's
very
meaningful
and
I
think
it's
it's
layered
in
in
two
different
perspectives:
one
is
the
business
enterprises
right
we
want
to.
We
want
to
let
contracts
out
to
those
those
companies,
those
minority-owned
companies,
those
evanstonian
owned
companies,
but
also
we
want
to
use
an
opportunity
to
build
up
the
labor
force
here
as
well.
Q
So
there
is
also
a
separate
goal
of
of
bringing
on
local
contractors,
local
Craftsmen
and
women
to
help
build
this
facility,
because
that
is
just
as
important
because
that
that
provides
generational
opportunities
that
can
be
handed
down
just
by
having
a
skill
that
can
be
applied
to
various
construction
components.
Okay,.
E
And
then
I
guess
on
the
public
benefits
again
one
of
them.
You
know
you
suggested
supporting
revitalization
of
Central
Street,
so
I
guess
the
the
real
question
is:
what
kind
of
advert
do
you
are
you
anticipating
adverse
in
tax
during
construction
and
demolition,
because
I
imagine
that
will
be
the
main
truck
route
in
and
out?
And
you
know,
how
can
you
mitigate
the
you
know,
those
kinds
of
impacts
that
will
occur?
E
Q
Sure
so,
first
off
the
truck
the
truck
traffic
is
still
yet
to
be
determined
and
that
will
be
determined
once
we
again,
as
I
noted
previously,
once
we
bring
on
subcontractors
we'll
finalize
where
we
are
disposing
of
the
excavated
soil,
as
we've
noted
we're
going
down
20
feet.
So
if
you
can
imagine
that's
a
lot
of
soil
to
to
take
elsewhere
right,
so
those
trucks
that
routing
will
need
to
be
will
need
to
be
analyzed
and
it
really
will
be
determined
based
upon
where
it's
going
and
that
hasn't
yet
to
be
determined.
Q
Additionally,
during
demolition,
the
the
the
waste
removal
will
also
involve
a
lot
of
truck
traffic
again.
The
final
determination
of
where
that
goes
will
be
based
upon
our
diversion
approach,
whether
or
not
it
goes
to
recycle
facilities
or
Crusher
facilities
or
or
elsewhere.
So,
but
we
do
anticipate
that
Central
will
be
a
main
artery
for
that
during
construction.
We
are
required
to
have
certain
protocols
in
place,
including
storm
water
management
plans.
So
you
know
types
of
filtration.
Q
You
know
at
the
storm
inlets
and,
and
what
have
you
will
will
certainly
be
in
place
and
that'll
be
reviewed
by
the
city
as
part
of
the
permit
process
as
well.
In
addition
with
the
truck
traffic,
we
anticipate
a
lot
of
dust
and
debris,
so
there
will
be
sweet
street
sweeping
operations,
as
well
as
other
considerations
to
be
made
for
the
cleanliness
and
the
maintenance
of
the
facilities
and
and
the
roadways.
Now
when
it
comes
to
damage,
we
will
have
to
assess
it.
Obviously
any
damage
caused
by
that
process
will
be
repaired.
V
It's
a
it's
more
of
a
comment
for
the
concert
expert,
so
Wrigley
Field
has
42
500,
I,
guess,
capacity
of
4200
or
42
000
I'm.
Sorry,
that
would
be
a
concert
like
pink
or
Bruce
Springsteen.
V
V
That's
that's
just
you
know
from
from
public
knowledge
of
where
they,
where
they
usually
have,
where
they
usually
have
their
shows.
So
you're
talking
Diana,
Ross
I'm,
showing
my
age.
But
you
have
it's
not
a
Taylor
Swift.
V
It's
not
a
Beyonce
at
Soldier
Field
with
63
000
people
or
the
capacity
for
that.
So
are
you
really
going
to
make
money
from
an
REO
Speedwagon?
V
J
Love
the
it
sounds
like
you're,
a
music
fan
and
and
I
love
having
a
simpatico
you're
right.
The
arena
acts,
though
that
you
mentioned
at
those
they.
Those
are
touring
Arena
acts
and
they're
not
doing
outdoor
venues
of
this
size
right.
So
a
a
I
think
you
mentioned
Madonna
she
she's,
not
touring,
amphitheaters
or
or
so
I,
don't
see
her
no.
AG
V
You're
right,
okay,
so
because
you
mentioned
other
people,
you
know
like
once
again:
REO
Speedwagon
Foreigner
in
the
total
I,
don't
know,
but
those
you
know
the
capacities
Julie,
usually
between
I,
don't
know:
8
000,
Maybe,
twelve
thousand.
V
You
know
when
you
have
Diana
Ross
at
a
Horseshoe
Casino
in
in
Indiana,
or
you
have
Diana
Ross
at
Ravinia.
You
know,
that's
a
big
concert,
that's
a
big
name
and
they
usually
will
bring
in
maybe
twenty
thousand
right,
you're
right.
Okay-
and
these
are
the
the
Horseshoe
Casino-
is
a-
is
a
covered
venue,
but
it's
an
Amphitheater.
V
J
If,
if
you're,
asking
from
a
business
standpoint,
how,
how
might
that
be
profitable
or
how
am
I
that
be
a
business,
Endeavor,
I
think
what
will
happen
is
this?
This
is
going
to
serve
a
different
niche
in
some
of
those
acts
that
I
may
have
mentioned,
might
move
up.
It
might
be
having
some
opportunity
for
increase.
J
It's
going
to
come
down
a
number
of
tickets
sold
how
many,
how
many
tickets
can
be
sold
by
Any
Given
act
in
order
to
fill
the
stadium
and
make
it
viable
it's
yet
to
be
seen
the
Market's
going
to
be
tested
and
I.
Think
I
think
this
is
a
new
niche
in
this
in
this
Marketplace
in
the
Chicagoland
General
Marketplace,
this
size
venue
and
it's
an
outside
venue
of
this
size
might
be
a
different
niche
in
this
Marketplace
I.
D
Don't
I
don't
think
we
should
be
focusing
on
the
the
type
of
bands
I
think
we
should
be
focusing
on
28
500..
That's
what
the
community
is
focused
on.
These
people
are
not
guaranteeing
whether
it's
Zac,
Brown
or
or
anybody
they're
they're.
That's
just
a
you
know:
they
threw
that
out
there.
So
so
the
community
is
not
they
don't
care
who
the
performers
are
they
care
about
28
500..
D
So
unless
you
can
commit
to
some
of
these
lower
lower
draw
performers
which
you
can't
we
have
to
focus
on,
the
28
500
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
performers.
J
Market
will
bear
and
we'll
we'll
explore
the
opportunities,
but
all
I
can
say
is
that
in
experiences,
I've
had
there's
always
been
an
opportunity
to
work
together
and
collaborate
and
develop
plans
that
that
meet
all
the
stakeholders
interests
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
that's.
What's
going
to
make
the
venue
successful.
D
J
A
Anything
else
so
at
this
point,
Northwestern
can
take
a
bit
of
a
break.
I
have
mentioned.
We
had
some
Community
groups
and
organizations
at
a
village,
so
it's
signed
up
the
first
person
I
have
on
that
list
to
Stephen
Harper
and
there's
a
little
confusion
as
Michael
Peterson
with
you,
or
is
he
separate?
X
Before
I
start,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
courtesies
you
extended
to
me,
I
I,
mentioned
to
Ms
Jones
that
I'm
immune
compromised
and
I'm
very,
very
grateful
for
your
Indulgence.
In
my
in
my
situation
before
I
start
I
would
like
to
I
had
I
had
not
come
intending
to
make
a
continuance
request
until
I
heard
Northwestern
say
that
they
actually
had
something
they
wanted
to
say
in
response
to
erupt's
report,
so
I'm
hereby
if
I
may
I
guess
it
has
to
be
in
writing.
So
excuse
my
handwriting,
but.
X
I'm,
making
a
request
for
a
continuance,
I
guess
just
as
a
as
a
logistical
question.
Will
it
be
necessary
for
me
to
stay
to
the
very
end
of
all
of
these
proceedings
to
know
whether
or
not
you
were
at
the
continuance
or.
A
So
the
continuances
will
be
granted
because
we're
required
to
Grant
one
continuance.
Okay,
what
I'm
looking
at
is
trying
to
aggregate
continuances
where
we
can,
because
I
have
the
feeling
that
a
lot
of
people
who
are
requesting
continuances
will
be
requesting
continuances
based
upon
the
same
things.
A
So
I
kind
of
want
to
instead
of
having
a
whole
bunch
of
disparate
comments,
kind
of
congregate
things
together,
where
we
can
fair.
A
Issue
before
we
begin
I
do
have
to
swear
you
in
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you:
do
you
swear
or
affirm
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
I
do
thank
you
and
if
you
please,
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
X
Steve
Harper,
640,
Gregory,
Avenue
and
I
live
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
proposed
venue
before
I
start
with
what
I
had
intended,
what
I
intend
to
cover.
Let
me
answer
a
couple
of
questions
that
did
come
up
sound
checks.
The
purpose
of
a
sound
check
is
to
run
the
sound
system
at
full
performance
volume,
so
you
can
see
how
it
works.
That's
the
purpose
of
the
sound
check,
don't
take
my
word
for
it.
X
X
Commissioner,
Hallock
made
the
point
that
Northwestern
has
gone
from
12
concerts
to
Six
concerts,
and
if
we
wait,
will
they
go
to
zero?
You
don't
have
to
wait
in
the
letter
that,
in
the
letter
that
President
shill
sent
the
open
letter
to
the
Evanston
community,
he
made
a
series
of
statements
and
Promises
to
the
episode
community.
X
On
the
same
day,
he
also
issued
an
open
letter
to
the
Northwestern
community
and
what
he
said
in
that
letter
was
because
that's
a
lot
of
professors
who
are
up
in
arms
about
the
potential
of
spending
that
kind
of
money
on
the
football
program
and
what
he
said
to
that
constituency
was
don't
fret
about
it,
because
we
have
to
make
exactly
the
same
Financial
investment
just
to
bring
the
current
Riot
field
up
to
playable
conditions
for
Big
Ten
play.
So
it's
we're
at
zero
in
terms
of
what
it
is.
X
Northwestern
thinks
it
actually
needs
in
terms
of
concerts
in
order
to
make
this
work,
because
if
they
don't
do
this,
one
they're
gonna
have
to
spend
the
same
amount
of
money
refurbishing
according
to
president
chill
the
the
stadium
that
they
have
River's
Edge
by
the
way
I
checked
architect
magazine
says
that
the
capacity
of
River's
Edge
is
7
500
people
same
ironically
enough
as
Welsh
Ryan
Field
I'm,
one
of
330
Wilmette
residents,
whose
submission
is
the
last
138
pages
of
your
700
page
report.
X
X
Northwestern's
Consultants
underestimated
the
noise,
but
even
at
that
they
actually
proved
the
concerts
inside
the
stadium
will
generate
dangerous
and
unlawful
noise
pollution
louder
than
a
vacuum,
cleaner,
all
the
way
to
McCulloch
Park
in
Evanston
and
Maple
Park
in
Wilmette.
Now
you
don't
have
to
take
my
word
for
this.
X
Here's
their
map,
their
computer
simulation
that
shows
in
bright
colors
the
decibel
levels
associated
with
their
simulation
of
concerts
in
the
stadium,
and
this
purple
here
runs
right
through
McCulloch
Park,
and
it
runs
all
the
way
up
here
to
Maple
Park.
How
much
farther
does
it
go?
We
don't
know
because
they
cut
the
map
off,
but
you
can
see
you
can
see
the
problem
now
you
say
well
yeah,
but
is.
Is
that
really
a
problem?
I
mean
it's
sure.
It's
70
decibels,
65
decibels.
X
X
It's
in
their
submission,
they're,
the
third,
the
third
revision
that
they
have
done
to
the
Consulting
report
that
Mr
Hughes
was
up
here
talking
about.
They
did
one
in
April.
They
revised
it
in
June
and
they
revise
it
again
in
August
and
the
way
decibels
work
is.
It's
called
a
logarithmic
function,
which
means
that
for
every
10
decibels
you
go
up
on
this
scale.
X
X
What
are
the
adverse
health
effects?
Well,
they
include
increased
risk
of
heart
attack
in
adults.
They
include
cognitive
impairment
in
children.
They
include
harm
to
the
fetus
of
pregnant
women.
Don't
take
my
word
for
it.
This
is
a
matter
of
medical
and
scientific
consensus
and
it
has
been
for
decades
and
if
you
move
from
45
to
55,
you
double
the
effect
in
terms
of
how
it
sounds
to
the
human
ear.
If
you
go
from
55
to
65,
you
double
it
again.
X
And
that
Target
that
he
talks
about
is
something
that
this
design
has
yet
to
achieve.
They
can't
get
close
to
it.
This
takes
into
account
all
of
the
mitigation
efforts
that
they
tell
you
that
this
stadium
is
has
already
Incorporated.
This
is
the
result
of
the
simulation.
That's
in
that's
intended
to
show
you
there's
not
going
to
be
a
problem
here
and
even
for
lower
level
pollution.
X
The
health
effects
which
they
ignore
completely
you
won't
find
a
word
about
it
in
their
report,
include,
as
I
say,
the
risk
of
fatal
heart
attacks
in
men,
I'm,
sorry,
adults
and
harvested
kids
all
the
way
down
they
gloss
over
all
of
it
by
saying,
essentially
we'll
compare
Rock
concert
sounds
to
football
games
and
don't
so
it
won't
be
so
bad.
Well,
it's
nonsense,
but
don't
take
mine
for
it.
My
word
for
it
read
the
erupt
report
as
Mr
halleck
has.
X
X
Which
takes
us
to
Scandal
number
two
Northwestern
Almost
Got
Away
With
It
back
in
April
City
officials
themselves
had
doubts
about
Northwestern
study.
They
asked
erupt
to
perform
a
peer
review
of
that
study.
Evanston's
economic
development
manager,
wrote
quote:
Northwestern
is
claiming
that
the
sound
noise
that
will
travel
into
the
surrounding
residential
areas
will
be
no
louder
than
a
football
game.
X
This
claim
seems
questionable
to
some
residents
and
City
officials
give
interrupts
extensive
experience
in
designing
Music
Entertainment
venues,
particularly
venues,
which
are
also
surrounded
by
residential
areas.
The
city
is
looking
to
erupt
for
objective
outside
advice
on
the
life
likely
impact
of
sound
noise
from
the
proposed
concerts.
X
Erupt
properly
submitted
its
Proposal
with
a
budget
of
eighty
thousand
dollars,
one
one
hundredth
of
one
percent
of
this
800
million
dollar
project
for
weeks
Evanston,
let
it
sit
and
then
in
early
July,
the
city
abruptly
abandoned
her
up
in
favor
of
a
firm
with
no
expertise
in
this
specialized
field.
None
with
time
running
out,
Wilmette
residents
hired
her
up
in
the
cover-up
collapsed.
X
Don't
take
my
word
for
it
read
the
affidavits
in
our
submission.
It's
all
there.
You'd
have
to
believe
a
word,
I
say
believe
the
facts
that
are
sworn
to
in
those
in
those
submissions
and
if
the
city
approves
northwestern's
plan
for
concerts,
people
will
ask
how
did
that
happen
and
I
fear
I,
truly
fear,
based
on
responses
that
I
have
received
for
Freedom
of
Information
Act
requests
from
the
city
that
the
answer
will
be
Scandal
number
three.
D
Only
comment
is
that
in
I
I
read
your
your
the
all
of
the
comments
and
at
least
on
my
computer,
that
diagram
didn't
it.
It
was
only
half
of
it
showed
up,
and
maybe
that
was
the
fault
of
my
computer,
but
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
us
even
looked
at
that,
but
I
I
also
they
might
have
had
the
same
problem
as
I
did
so
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up
because
it
didn't
show
up
so.
X
According
to
northwestern's
expert,
it's
right
here,
threshold
of
hearing
loss,
well,
I,
guess,
I,
don't
hearing,
loss
and
pain
are
not
the
same
thing.
So
threshold
of
pain
is
right
up
here
at
130,
which
is
a
jet
aircraft
in
the
ambulance.
Threshold
of
feeling
is,
interestingly
enough.
This
is
again
Northwestern
chart
120,
which
is
the
same
as
a
hard
rock
band
with
electronic
amplification.
That.
C
A
Any
other
questions,
thank
you,
Mr
Harper
and,
like
I,
said,
we'll
address
continuances
in
a
moment.
So
if
you
want
to
thank
you
take
that
down
well
Michael
Peterson.
A
Is
here
L
going
once
going
twice
going
three
times
next
up
is
the
village
of
Wilmette,
with
Santa
Plunkett,
as
the
village
president
signed
up
to
speak.
A
AG
AE
Thank
you
Jerry,
as
Jerry
said
we're
here
on
behalf
of
the
Wilmette
Board
of
Trustees
and
the
residents
of
Wilmette
to
object
to
northwestern's
University
proposed
text.
Amendment,
specifically
the
concerts
at
Ryan
Field
included
in
your
agenda
materials
was
the
village
of
Wilmette
resolution.
2023
are
115
objecting
to
the
Ryan
Field
concerts.
This
resolution
was
adopted
unanimously
by
the
Wilmette
village
board
on
August,
8th,
with
overwhelming
support
from
Wilmette
residents,
most
directly
impacted
by
The
Proposal.
AE
While
the
applicant
has
recently
reduced
the
number
of
proposed
concerts
from
10
to
6.,
the
Village
of
Wilmette
remains
steadfast
in
its
opposition
to
any
number
of
concerts
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
neighborhood.
The
reduction
in
concerts
does
not
change
the
very
real
and
very
significant
impacts.
Concerts
of
this
magnitude
will
have
upon
both
of
our
communities.
We
have
studied
this
project
for
the
past
nine
months
and
do
not
see
how
this
venue
in
this
residential
neighborhood
can
successfully
manage
the
traffic,
the
parking,
the
noise
and
the
public
safety
impacts
of
such
Mega
concerts.
AE
Since
the
1970s,
the
village
of
Wilmette,
along
with
the
City
of
Evanston,
has
consistently
objected
to
the
commercialization
of
the
Nu
athletic
campus.
The
City
of
Evanston
and
the
village
of
Wilmette
have
enjoyed
a
partnership
that
served
to
protect
the
residents
of
both
communities
from
such
commercialization.
AE
The
athletic
campus
was
designed
for
a
narrowly
intended
purpose
to
serve
Northwestern
University
programs
and
School
athletics,
a
use
in
which
Wilmette
has
and
continues
to
support.
However,
the
inclusion
of
for-profit
music
concerts
as
a
requirement
to
a
new
stadium
betrays
the
long-standing
purpose
and
operation
of
the
athletic
campus
and
is
simply
A
Bridge
Too
Far.
AE
The
proposed
28
500
person
outdoor
venue
would
be
among
the
four
largest
concert
venues
in
the
state
of
Illinois.
You
talked
about
Ravinia
last
week,
I
attended
a
sold
out.
Ravinia
concert
in
Highland,
Park
and
I
have
to
tell
you
there's
no
comparison
between
the
two,
while
ravinia's
capacity
is
less
than
50
percent
of
what
is
proposed
at
Ryan
Field.
AE
It
has
significantly
more
on-site
parking
capacity,
significant
close
parking
capacity,
proximate
access
to
I-94,
a
metro,
stop
within
the
park
itself
and
in
terms
of
traffic,
operates
a
lot
more
like
a
football
game
with
concert,
goers
arriving
and
leaving
over
the
course
of
a
much
longer
time
span.
AE
Moreover,
it
has
been
in
operation
as
a
concert
venue
for
more
than
100
years
when
a
family
moves
into
the
Ravinia
neighborhood
in
Highland
Park.
They
know
exactly
what
they're
buying
into
here.
In
this
case,
none
of
our
constituents,
mine
or
yours-
could
have
ever
envisioned
living
next
to
a
28,
500
person
concert
venue.
AE
Ultimately,
in
our
review
of
the
application
materials,
we
fail
to
see
how
such
adverse
impacts
can
be
appropriately
and
satisfactorily
mitigated
we're
usually
sitting
in
seats
a
little
bit
more
like
yours
and
as
elected
officials
who
routinely
consider
land
use
applications.
The
first
ex.
The
first
question
we
always
ask
ourselves
is:
is
this
application
reasonable
and
would
the
average
person
find
this
application
to
be
reasonable?
AE
In
the
case
of
concerts
at
Ryan,
Field
we've
tried
to
see
the
reasonableness
of
this
request
and
we
simply
cannot
do
so.
Given
the
unreasonable
nature
of
this
request,
the
village
of
Wilmette
urges
you
to
recommend
denying
the
components
of
the
proposed
text
Amendment,
which
would
permit
such
concerts
as
well
as
any
Amplified
sound
in
the
plazas
surrounding
the
new
football
stadium.
AE
I
want
to
thank
you
for
thoughtfully,
considering
the
impacts
of
the
concerts
upon
the
more
than
500
well-met
households
adjacent
to
the
athletic
campus,
and
thank
you
for
all
your
dedication
this
evening.
I
can
tell
how
much
you've
put
into
this
and
how
hard
it
is,
and
I
don't
envy
you
in
your
shoes,
but
I
know
what
it's
like.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
D
Have
a
I
have
a
question,
and
this
is
based.
This
is
based
on
things.
I've
read,
I've
things,
I've
read
in
the
Press,
and
maybe
you
don't
want
to
answer
this,
but
what
is
the
possibility
of
Wilmette
suing
Evanston
over
this
issue?
I.
A
F
A
A
AD
AD
AD
AD
For
example,
they
talked
about
a
traffic
management
plan
at
length,
I,
don't
I
know
they
submitted
one
pager
I
I.
Don't
certainly
would
not
profess
to
tell
you
how
to
do
your
job,
but
it
would
seem
to
me
that
that
would
be
an
important
document
that
you
would
want
to
evaluate
before
we
come
back.
They
talked
about
an
mou
that
seems
to
be
somewhat
short
shrift.
AD
There's
a
a
rebuttal
to
the
Arab
response
that
I
think
they
mentioned
that
they're
going
to
either
commission
or
they're
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
there
was
a
request
for
peer
review
of
the
groundwater
report.
There
was
reference
to
an
operations
plan
for
public
concerts,
addressing
setup
and
breaking
down
which
no
one
has
seen.
There
was
also
some
discussions
that
Mr
Lemon
talked
about
conversations
with
the
CTA
regarding
operational
increases
and
also
truck
traffic
and
waste
removal
routing.
AD
So
those
additional
inquiries
and
documents
reports
is
the
purview
of
this
commission,
which
I
recognize,
but
to
the
extent
that
we
have
another
date
that
we're
all
going
to
come
back
together
and
talk
about
this.
It
would
seem
to
me
that
we
would
want
to
look
at
those
documents
and
have
those
documents
not
only
for
you
but
of
course,
for
the
public
and
for
my
clients.
So,
for
those
reasons,
I
would
ask
that
we'd
be
allowed
a
continuance.
AD
Having
said
that,
I'd
also
ask
for
some
clarification,
Mr
chairman
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
you
said,
but
I'm
not
sure.
If
you
said
that's
I'm
asking
for
a
clarification.
It's
been
a
long
time
it
feels
like
years,
but
is
that
organizations
like
the
one
I'm
representing
would
be
able
to
have
10
minutes
to
make
a
presentation?
What
I
wasn't
clear
about,
though,
was
whether
any
cross-examination
questions,
and
we
have
lots.
AD
We
have
lots
of
questions
like
all
of
you
had.
Questions
would
come
out
of
that
10
minutes,
I'm
hoping
the
answer
is
no,
because
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
test
the
conclusions.
The
assumptions,
the
veracity
of
many
of
the
Consultants,
with
our
cross-examination
questions,
which
is
a
lot
and
so
we'd
like
to
get
clarification
on
that.
A
Yes,
the
intent
is
for
you
to
have
a
10-minute
presentation,
which
is
what
we're
doing
right
now
and
then,
when
we
have
the
continuance.
What
I
want
to
know
from
you
is
what
you
want
for
continuance
for,
which
is
what
you've
just
kind
of
run
through,
so
that
we
can
have
the
applicant
prepared
to
know
what
will
be
topics
of
discussion
when
we
return
and
when
we
return.
Those
will
be
the
sole
focus
of
the
continuance
and
of
the
continuation
of
the
hearing.
AD
Understood
so
to
better
answer
that
question,
we
would
like
an
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
consultants
and
then
very
briefly,
with
with
the
with
the
time
and
I
know.
They
were
very
cognizant
at
the
time
in
their
presentation.
We
will
be
equally
cognizant.
We
would
have
our
consultants
make
a
mini
presentation
of
that
10
minutes,
so
we
would
offer
our
10
minutes
to
our
Consultants.
Maybe
a
couple
words
I
would
offer
and
then
we
would
like
to
also
have
an
opportunity
to
cross-examine
and.
A
I
think
we
can
accommodate
that
at
our
future
meeting.
Thank
you.
The
one
thing
I
will
raise,
though,
is
that
some
of
the
documents
that
you
are
talking
about
memorandum
of
understanding
Etc,
because
we
are
a
recommending
body
city
council-
really
has
to
negotiate
those
documents.
I
think
that's.
AD
True,
with
respect
to
the
mou
and
I
understand
that
concern
Mr
chair,
but
but
the
other
documents.
A
No
staff
staff
has
a
recording,
so
they
will
tell
me
what
I
need
to
know
understood
and
we
will
clarify
those
points,
but
I'll
handle
the
continuance
in
just
a
matter
of
moments.
Like
I
said,
I
want
to
kind
of
collect
everybody's
so
that
we
kind
of
know
where
there's
duplication
and
where
there
isn't
duplication
of
things.
A
A
I
will
ask
you
and
if
your
colleague
who
came
with
you,
wants
to
be
sworn
as
well,
do
you
swear
or
affirmative?
We.
AH
A
That's
fine
I
still
want
to
swear
you
in
so
that
you
tell
me
the
truth.
Thank
you.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm,
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
Thank.
AH
AH
Thank
you
Mr
chair,
Commissioners,
Neighbors,
Ms
Jones.
My
name
is
Jane
Grover
I'm,
a
resident
of
North
Evanston
I
live
about
three
and
a
half
blocks
from
Ryan
fields
on
Prairie
Avenue
I'm,
one
of
two
speakers
tonight
for
the
field
of
opportunities,
I'm
joined
here
by
Michael
Connor,
who
will
take
over
after
my
remarks.
First,
a
disclaimer
I
serve
on
the
Evanston
equity
and
empowerment
commission,
but
I
do
not
speak
for
the
commission.
Nor
do
I
speak
for
any
of
my
colleagues
on
the
equity
and
empowerment.
Commission.
AH
AH
Yes,
the
six
events
at
Ryan
Field
will
add
traffic
and
noise
to
North
Evanston,
where
I
live
and
to
the
immediate
and
the
immediate
neighbor
Neighbors
have
had
some
good
suggestions
about
how
to
mitigate
the
impact.
Those
burdens
the
neighbors,
helped
make
the
Stadium's
west
parking
lot
better
with
less
intrusive
lighting
several
years
ago,
and
the
neighborhood
burden
caused
by
concerts
at
Ryan
Field
is
a
relative
burden.
AH
Let's
add
to
equity,
to
this
conversation,
please
and
compare
this
to
another
Evanston
institution,
an
anchor
institution
with
over
3
500
students
coming
and
going
every
day,
an
institution
that
hosts
dozens
of
athletic
and
cultural
events
every
year.
Events
that
lie
in
the
neighborhood
streets
with
cars,
events
that
generate
traffic
congestion
for
blocks,
events
that
create
excessive
noise
and
disturb
the
neighborhood
peace.
AH
Of
course,
I'm
talking
about
Evanston,
Township,
High
School
in
the
second
and
fifth
Wards.
The
residents
of
the
second
and
fifth
Wards
bear
this
burden
for
the
rest
of
us.
Is
the
high
school
neighborhood
sandwiched
between
two
public
transit
train
lines
that
enable
folks
to
get
there
without
a
car?
AH
AH
What
we're
suggesting
is
that
you
look
at
this
through
an
equity
lens.
Ask
some
questions:
how
will
the
stadium
project
and
hosting
events
impact
Evanston
residents
who
have
historically
been
excluded
or
had
less
access
to
Economic
Opportunity?
How
will
people
of
color
and
Evanston
be
affected
by
denial
of
the
University's
proposals?
How
will
denial
of
the
zoning
change,
Advance,
equity
or
Amplified
disparities
in
excess
to
Economic
Opportunity?
AH
Our
zoning
code
and
comprehensive
plan
were
adopted
decades
ago.
That
was
before
the
Evanston
Equity
empowerment
commission
was
created.
It
was
long
before
Equity
even
appeared
as
a
city
council
goal
and
before
we
all
came
to
understand,
evanston's
history
of
redlining
housing,
discrimination
and
segregation
that
locked
in
housing
patterns
that
persist
today.
AH
AI
AI
Good
evening,
Commissioners
again,
I'm
Mike,
O'connor
and
I
live
at
1315
jenk
Street,
which
is
within
mere
feet
of
northwestern's.
Athletic
campus
I
have
no
affiliation
with
the
university
whatsoever
other
than
being
a
neighbor.
I
am
a
member
of
the
field
of
opportunities
group,
a
Grassroots
Community
organization
with
over
800
members,
many
of
whom,
maybe
most
of
whom,
like
me,
reside
in
the
Seventh
Ward,
who
are
supportive
of
the
new
Ryan
Field
proposal.
AI
My
comments
here
will
focus
on
the
qualitative
impact
to
life
inside
the
Red
Zone,
where
my
family
has
lived
for
more
than
40
years
on
both
sides
of
Isabella
and
where
we've
constant,
we
have
consciously
chosen
homes
success
successively
closer
to
the
athletic
campus
on
big
game
days.
Most
of
my
neighbors
take
full
advantage,
rather
than
locking
themselves
in
or
leaving
town,
and
we
spend
more
time
together
as
a
true
Community
than
almost
any
other
day
in
the
year.
AI
The
existing
Stadium,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
is
a
ghost
town
98
of
the
time,
instead
of
tumbleweeds.
How
great
would
it
be
to
have
an
outdoor
movie
venue
a
stage
for
small-scale
live
performance,
an
ice
rink?
A
holiday
market-
all
things
we
do
not
enjoy
nearby
today
for
those
who
believe
the
new
stadium
is
either
unnecessary
or
badly
designed.
I
recall
similar
complaints
before
the
new
baseball
stadium
and
the
renovation
of
the
west
parking
lot.
AI
There's
also
a
mistaken
belief
that
the
current
stadium
was
always
intended
exclusively
for
college
football,
something
we
just
heard
our
neighbors
to
the
north
say
long-timers
like
me,
will
remember
it
as
the
site
of
the
city's
official
Fourth
of
July
fireworks
celebration
held
for
years
without
controversy,
I'm
not
sure
when
any
sound
after
dark
became
poison,
but
live
music.
I'll.
Take
the
John
Phillips
Souza
anytime,
over
the
mortar
shots
in
the
falling
hot
ash
in
right
measure,
live
music
is
great
fun
and
there's
plenty
of
Reason
to
Believe
from
the
70s.
AI
Through
the
early
2000s,
there
were
dozens
of
concerts
in
McGaw
Hall,
including
the
Grateful
Dead
Bruce
Springsteen
REM
in
recent
years,
out
of
space
shows
staged
three
blocks
to
the
east
proved
that
such
events
can
be
superbly
well
run
and
time
to
end
precisely
unlike
live
televised
games.
Personally,
I
look
forward
to
enjoying
these
shows
right
from
my
yard.
Music:
isn't
pollution!
It's
sad
for
the
soul.
AI
Six
stadium
shows
of
three
hours.
Each
shouldn't
be
too
great
an
imposition
on
anyone
for
if
we
judge
it
as
such
and
demand
a
beautiful
new
venue
to
be
underutilized,
then
what
are
we
saying?
Evanston
is
where
fun
goes
to
die,
there's
so
much
fear-mongering
about
irreparable
damage
to
our
community
life
that
one
parachuting
into
this
matter
would
think
there
must
be
a
plan
to
build
stockyards
in
a
slaughterhouse
or
store
spent
nuclear
fuel.
AI
In
reality,
the
library
quiet
that
is
my
neighborhood,
to
which
we're
all
accustomed
remain
absolutely
the
norm.
99
of
the
time
we
need
to
recognize
that
the
new
football
stadium
is
the
Capstone
of
a
20-plus
year.
Total
redo
of
this
athletic
campus,
each
chapter
of
which
has
brought
incremental
benefits
for
not
just
the
university,
but
also
the
community
too.
Anyone
who's
attended.
The
E-Town
Showdown
would
know
this
to
be
true.
Transforming
the
corner
of
Ashwin
and
Central
from
an
ancient
white
elephant
to
a
modern,
attractive
and
vibrant
hub
for
the
community
is
to
everyone's
benefit.
AI
AI
A
D
I
have
a
question
or
would
an
equity
be
served
equally
if
the
stadium
was
built
without
the
concerts.
AH
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner.
V
Yes,
Miss
Grover
I.
Actually
thank
you
because
I
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
and
I
have
listened
to
every
single,
been
living
there
for
13
years
now,
every
single
game
that
goes
on
at
the
Evanston
Township
High,
School
stadium.
So
I
can
hear
everything
from
my
house,
which
is
like
three
blocks
away
so
and
yes,
I
have
no
say
so.
D
V
R
Just
a
question
I
can
understand
how
difficult
that
is
for
residents
of
the
Fifth
Ward
especially
is:
does
it
make
any
difference
that
eths
is
a
public
school
that
serves
Evanston
as
a
whole
and
that
you
are
talking
about
Northwestern
as
a
private
school
in
terms
of
what
it's
doing?
Does
that
mitigate
this?
In
any
way,
do
you
think.
V
A
Next
up,
I
have
Community
Alliance
for
better
government
with
Leslie
Williams,
Ms
Williams
and
again,
if
I
could
just
swear
you
in
please
do
you
swear
from
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings.
I
do
thank
you
and
if
you
please,
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
sure.
AB
Leslie
Williams
and
I
live
at
2516
Prairie
Avenue.
Thank.
A
You
and
please
please
begin
with
your
comments.
AB
All
right,
first
of
all,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
patience
and
your
really
in-depth
attention
to
these
issues.
We
all
really
appreciate
that
I
mean
my
name
is
Leslie
Williams
and
I
am
president
of
the
Community
Alliance
for
better
government,
a
local
organization
with
over
200
members
devoted
to
transparency,
responsiveness
and
racial
Justice
and
Evanston
government
and
I'm
just
going
to
add.
In
a
paragraph
from
a
letter,
I
wrote
to
the
round
table
which
was
signed
by
15
African-American
Community
leaders.
AB
We're
angered
that
northwestern's
publicity
campaign
has
intentionally
pitted
black
residents
against
the
Seventh
Ward
neighbors
brochures
mailed
to
our
homes,
touted
the
Cornucopia
of
benefits
that
would
accrue
to
Black
Evanston
strongly
hinting
that
anyone
opposing
a
commercial
District
was
racist.
We
find
this
offensive
and
untrue
I'm
here
to
question
some
of
the
supposed
benefits
that
would
accrue
from
the
Ryan
Field
project.
AB
We've
heard
Promises
of
thousands
of
new
jobs
and
millions
in
tax
revenue,
and
many
of
these
alleged
benefits
strike
us
as
illusory,
for
example,
Northwestern
trumpets,
a
commitment
of
208
million
dollars
going
to
minority
and
women-owned
businesses.
Yet
Northwestern
has
only
promised
a
target
of
35
percent
of
subcontracted
spending
on
construction
for
minority
and
women-owned
businesses.
This
deceptive
metric
does
not
guarantee
minority
hiring
Northwestern
could
simply
hire
white
contractors
that
have
at
least
one
woman
co-owner.
AB
AB
What
percentage
of
these
jobs
are
anything
other
than
short-term
construction
or
low-paying
food
service
jobs
according
to
northwestern's
own
economic
impact
analysis,
90
of
the
new
jobs
from
rebuild
Ryan
Field
will
come
from
Construction
Construction
and
ongoing
Studio
Stadium
operations
for
football
related
activities.
These
jobs
have
nothing
to
do
with
whether
Northwestern
receives
a
zoning
change
for
commercial
events.
There
will
be
construction
regardless.
AB
What
about
jobs
provided
by
subcontractors?
Northwestern
has
subcontracted
in
the
past
with
some
questionable
employers
such
as
the
Compass
Group,
a
Levy
Center
subsidiary,
which
was
the
target
of
a
strike
at
the
United
Center
over
terrible
working
conditions
and
low
pay.
Compass
food
service
workers
at
Northwestern
went
on
strike
in
2022
over
scheduling,
pay
and
meal
violations.
How
do
we
know
that
some
of
these
2
900
jobs
will
not
be
with
equally
bad
employers?
Will
Northwestern
and
the
subcontractors
remain
Union
neutral?
AB
Another
local
Economist
Timothy
guymonde
points
out
that
the
claim
that
tax
revenue
to
the
city
will
increase
3.4
million
dollars
a
year
due
to
Mega
events.
At
the
new
stadium
likely
does
not
include
any
recognition
of
the
substitution
and
congestion
effects.
He
cites
Professor
Robert
body
of
Lake
Forest
College,
who
published
a
study
which
looked
at
the
taxable
sales
in
a
city.
AB
Northwestern
has
claimed
that
adding
concerts
in
a
commercial
food
and
drink
Zone
will
be
a
booned
to
local
business,
yet
many
local
companies
fear
it
will
put
them
out
of
business.
A
Central
Street
Gallery
owner
described
the
negative
impact
of
football
games
on
his
store,
stating
that,
because
of
congestion,
our
foot
traffic
declined
sharply
before
during
and
after
games,
the
only
businesses
to
benefit
were
those
selling
food
Beverages
and
sports
memorabilia
of
Pilates
Wellness
Center
owner
worries
that
pouring
35
000
people
into
this
neighborhood
on
a
regular
basis
is
very.
AB
Concerning
I
won't
be
able
to
see
people
on
Stadium
event
days,
because
people
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
here.
The
owner
of
a
black
hair
salon
on
Central
Street,
writes
Northwestern
slick
public
relations
campaign
claims.
The
new
Ryan
Field
will
build
generational
wealth
for
black
and
brown
families.
I
am
one
of
the
few
black
businesses
on
this
block,
and
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
help
for
me
at
all.
It's
going
to
be
a
hindrance.
AB
What
I
see
is
a
university
that
wants
to
run
a
for-profit
concert
business
at
the
expense
of
one
of
the
country's
nicest
business
districts.
I,
see
powerful,
evanstonians
coalescing
behind
a
plan
and
cynically
using
artificial
Promises
of
black
wealth
as
cover
the
other
gifts.
Northwestern
says
will
offer,
most
of
which
you
can
already
do
without
a
zoning
change.
Professor
shill
mentioned
applying
a
ticket
surcharge
to
concerts
that
will
generate
an
additional
500
000
in
Revenue
annually
to
support
Evanston
Public
Schools.
AB
But
this
is
a
token
gesture,
especially
compared
to
other
universities,
such
as
say
Princeton,
which
will
contribute
more
than
14.6
million
dollars
to
Princeton
Public
Schools
over
the
next
five
years.
Northwestern
could
make
a
similar
commitment
without
a
for-profit
entertainment
Zone.
Likewise,
Northwestern
would
not
need
zoning
amendments
to
create
a
more
environmentally
sustainable
and
accessible
building.
They
can
certainly
make
the
new
stadium,
Ada,
accessible
and
Leed
certified
without
a
zoning
change.
AB
Northwestern
promises
to
to
host
Community
oriented
events
such
as
winter
festivals,
holiday
celebrations
and
movie
nights,
as
well
as
additional
student
and
Community
program,
and,
as
we've
already
heard,
these
are
allowed
under
the
current
zoning.
Why
hasn't
North
Wilson
held
such?
Why
hasn't
Northwestern
held
such
events
at
the
old
stadium?
AB
Again,
no
zoning
ordinance
change
is
needed
for
such
events.
Finally,
Northwestern
has
announced
that
it
is
offering
a
one-time,
10
million
dollar
contribution
to
Workforce
Technology
upskilling
and
that
it
will
invest
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
rebuilding
exchange,
a
local
non-profit,
to
recruit
more
Evanson
residents
into
Workforce
training.
The
building
the
rebuilding
exchange
does
indeed
have
an
honorable
record
of
placing
black
and
Latino
workers
in
the
Building
Trades.
But
again,
why
is
Northwestern
only
pursuing
these
Partnerships?
Now
none
of
this
activity
is
dependent
on
a
zoning
change.
AB
The
rebuilding
exchange
could
work
with
Northwestern
on
recruiting
workers.
Under
the
current
zoning
there
will
still
be
construction.
We
also
question
northwestern's
long-term
commitment
to
these
Partnerships,
given
its
abrupt
abandonment
of
a
year-round
skilled
trades
program
a
few
years
ago.
To
sum
up,
the
alleged
economic
benefits
are
sketchy,
The,
Promise,
Jobs
may
or
may
not
go
to
black
and
brown
workers
and
may
or
may
not
be
well
paying,
and
none
of
the
additional
sustainability,
accessibility
and
educational
benefits
are
dependent
on
a
commercial
zoning
change.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
P
My
name
is
Roger
gate
I
live
at
2505,
Jackson
Avenue.
My.
AK
AK
Neither
my
husband
nor
I
have
any
affiliation
with
Northwestern
I,
fully
support
the
statement
I
submitted
on
behalf
of
40
Property
Owners
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
stadium
on
August
14
2023.
To
assure
that
statement
is
a
part
of
your
official
record.
I
confirm
that
statement
also
serves
as
my
individual
submission
of
evidence.
AK
Given
this,
the
evidence
will
stand
on
its
own
Merit
and
I
will
focus
my
comments
on
our
personal
experience.
Living
adjacent
to
Ryan,
Field
I
was
raised
in
Evanston,
attended,
Haven,
Middle
School
on
eths
and
moved
back
to
Evanston
10
years
ago,
so
that
my
children
can
be
raised
in
this
vibrant
university
community
that
I
love
and
I'm
proud
to
call
my
hometown.
For
me,
this
discussion
has
always
been
about
Evanston
and
Evanston
alone
and
how
Evanston
will
benefit
from
northwestern's
proposal.
AK
My
family
has
unobstructed
views
of
Ryan
Field,
the
softball
field,
the
baseball
field
in
an
unused
practice
field,
all
of
which
sit
dormant
for
much
of
the
calendar
year.
We
have
had
lengthy
discussions
about
what
six
additional
days
and
a
set
number
of
Plaza
events
means
to
us
and
our
quality
of
life.
For
us,
it
means
that
our
Evanston
friends
will
bike,
walk
or
take
public
transportation
to
our
home.
On
days
of
concerts,
we
will
gather
with
families
in
our
backyard
we
will
barbecue
all
while
taking
in
the
scheduled
performance.
AK
We
feel
reassured
that
concert
attendance
is
capped
at
6
500,
less
than
a
football
game.
We
are
confident
in
the
city
and
northwestern's
ability
to
move
smaller
crowds
in
and
out
of
Ryan
Field,
as
this
has
been
established
time
and
time
again,
with
much
larger
Big
Ten
football
games
during
the
day
and
into
the
evening.
AK
For
us,
it
means
the
amenities
that
support
our
daily
quality
of
life.
The
Allen
Metro
will
be
fully
utilized
to
support
event,
attendees
arrivals
and
departures.
Moreover,
we
are
excited
that
our
Central
Street
and
downtown
businesses,
especially
our
eating
establishments,
10
Mile,
Bluestone
comeda,
will
be
frequented
by
patrons
before
concert
and
Plaza
events
commence.
Finding
new
opportunities
to
drive
people
to
our
local
businesses
has
never
been
more
important
to
maintaining
our
quality
of
life
than
it
is
now
for
us,
it
means
that
fun
and
safe
can
in
fact,
go
hand
in
hand.
AK
For
us,
it
means
that
the
value
of
our
property
and
our
neighbors
can
be
expected
to
increase,
not
reduce
a
few
facts.
Here.
A
2016
survey
published
by
realtor.com
found
that
on
average
homes
within
one
mile
of
20
outdoor
concert,
venues
sell
for
a
premium
over
the
average
price
of
all
homes
in
the
venue
zip
codes.
The
same
study
reported
that
on
average
homes
within
one
mile
of
Ravinia
commanded
a
24
premium
over
the
price
of
homes
across
the
broader
zip
code
area.
AK
AK
Nowhere
in
that
report
is
there
any
indication
that
the
appraiser
has
considered
the
recent
sales
information
from
the
neighborhood,
which
is
the
gold
standard
test
of
the
impact
of
the
stadium
rebuild
on
valuation.
Instead,
its
report
is
solely
based
upon
experiences
of
a
neighborhood
near
an
aged
New
York's
New,
York
stadium,
that
was
left
derelac
from
1997
to
2013
and
is
hosting
32
concerts
in
2023.
AK
For
us,
this
proposed
project
equals
an
unprecedented
opportunity
for
Evanston.
There
is
no
proposal
on
the
table
as
attractive
as
northwesterns
and
the
officials
we've
elected
are
still
negotiating
on
our
behalf
to
ensure
Evanston
wins
our
community,
our
schools,
our
non-profits
unemployed
residents
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
evanston's
economic
Outlook.
To
note
both
the
city
and
the
public
school
system
is
operating
in
a
deficit
will
benefit
greatly
from
the
downstream
benefits
of
this
proposal
for
the
benefit
of
Evanston.
AK
P
All
right,
we'll
keep
going.
My
name
is
Roger
gate
I
live
at
2505
Jackson,
which
is
when
it
within
a
thousand
feet
of
Ryan
Field.
My
family
and
I
support
the
new
Ryan
Field.
For
many
reasons.
For
18
years
we
have
enjoyed
the
vibrancy
of
football
series
and
hosted
countless
pre
and
post
game
gatherings
in
our
backyard,
less
less
than
a
block
from
the
stadium.
Even
with
some
of
my
neighbors
who
oppose
the
new
stadium,
we
love
the
sense
of
community.
P
We
Garner
on
those
too
few
Saturdays
and
the
occasional
Friday
in
our
neighborhood
games
bring
neighbors
together
out
of
their
houses
and
people
together.
We
are
excited
about
the
possibilities
of
six
more
events
that
will
bring
not
just
sports
fans
out.
We
can't
wait
to
share
a
drink
in
a
conversation
with
new
friends.
That
being
said,
perhaps
the
biggest
reason
we
support
the
project
is
opportunities.
I
am
the
son
of
an
immigrant
parent
and
the
son-in-law
of
a
first-time
college
graduate
and
his
family.
P
Neither
was
born
on
third
base
that
many
of
the
children,
including
mine,
are
born
on
today
in
my
neighborhood
I
am
here
at
Evanston
today,
because
the
opportunities
that
that
my
parents
had
coming
to
this
country
opportunities.
My
father-in-law
parents
provided
him.
So
he
could
go
to
college
in
Wisconsin
50
years
ago
and
send
my
wife
to
Northwestern.
P
They
were
able
to
do
that
because
of
opportunity
opportunity
for
a
better
life
because
opportunity
for
a
better
life,
a
job
that
provided
education,
educational
opportunities
to
their
children,
which
I
in
turn
will
provide
to
mine.
But
that
story
only
begins
with
opportunity
that
same
opportunity
for
members
of
our
in
our
community,
who
were
not
born
on
third
base,
lies
in
front
of
us
with
this
transformative
project
opportunities
for
employment,
to
learn
a
trade
or
a
skill
as
northwesterns
partnered,
with
rebuilding
Warehouse
to
open
a
business
and
reinvigorated
Evanston.
P
People
won't
be
rich
overnight
due
to
this
project,
but
hopefully
it
will
start
numerous
families
down
the
path
that
I
was
fortunate
to
walk.
If
all
we
have
to
do
is
go
to
a
concert
or
two
to
tolerate
a
little
traffic
and
noise
on
a
measly
six
days,
a
mere
18
hours
a
year,
18
hours,
so
one
of
them
might
buy
a
house
next
door
to
me,
someday
I,
say
Bring
It
On
thanks
right.
AL
AL
Basically,
what
I
want
to
add
that's
new
is
that
I
I
really
believe
this
is
going
to
enhance
the
neighborhood
I'm
in
the
restaurant
business
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
is
not
boom
times
for
the
restaurant
business,
with
the
The
Hangover
from
covid.
It's
what
restaurants
are
still
struggling
and
this
proposal
you
can't
make
money
in
the
restaurant
business
office
six
football
games,
you
can't
make
money
in
the
restaurant
business
office,
six
football
games
and
Six
concerts
either.
AL
That's
only
12
days
a
year,
okay,
but
you
can
make
it
when
the
area
gets
transformed
from
a
monolith
which
it
is
right
now
into
a
vibrant,
Parkland
type
area
where
people
will
go
and
the
business
is
not
a
such
a
Deluge
such
a
flood
and
is
more
of
a
regular
spring
rain
as
much
much
healthier
for
all
the
businesses
on
Central
Street.
So
I
hope
that
you
all
realize
that
Central
Street
is
probably
the
best
restaurant
Street
in
Evanston
and
I
know.
AL
Those
places
are
struggling
because
I
know
a
lot
of
the
owners.
So
in
that
restaurants
I
know,
I'm
biased
are
the
heart
of
our
community
they're.
Our
gathering
places
our
meeting
places
they
give
employment
to
Evanston
residents
and
so
I
hope
that
you
will
approve
this
on
behalf
of
the
Evanston
community
and
the
businesses
involved.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
for
these
three
seeing
none?
Thank
you.
Next
up,
I
have
Jeff
Smith
with
Central
Street
Neighbors,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
you
can
come
on
up
I've
been
told,
I
have
to
pause
for
30
seconds,
so
they
can
restart
the
recording
equipment.
So
we're
going
to
pause
for
just
30
seconds
here,
all
right,
I've
gotten
the
the
all
clear
from
the
recording
people,
so
Mr
Smith.
If
you
would
please
be
sworn
at
this
time,
do
you
swear
our
firm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
I.
AJ
Do
but
in
only
10
minutes
you
probably
can't
tell
the
whole
truth
well.
A
No,
you
can't
I,
that's
why
I
don't
use
that
phrase
if
you'd,
please
introduce
yourself
to
us,
although
I
think
most
of
us
know
you
for
the
record,
though
I.
AJ
Don't
take
that
for
granted.
Jeff
Smith
2724
Harrison
I'm
here
in
my
role
as
president
of
the
Central
Street
neighbors
Association,
although
I
have
submitted
a
separate
personal
affidavit.
That's
not
on
behalf
of
the
organization.
AJ
I
can't
list
all
of
these,
but
they
range
from
the
conflict
with
adaptive,
reuse,
the
respecting
of
historic
Heritage,
minimizing
them,
noise
pollution
and
an
additional
architectural
compatibility
with
surroundings,
and
suffice
it
to
say
that
the
application
does
not
meet
the
standards
for
rezoning
and,
in
particular,
does
not
meet
the
neighborhood
compatibility
standard
for
both
rezoning
and
plan
development
and
nor
make
a
persuasive
case
for
why.
There's
such
a
gross
deviation
from
parking
requirements
being
requested
when
there's
an
entire
new
development
going
up
a
couple.
AJ
What-Ifs
illustrate
how
incompatible
the
project
is
with
the
neighborhood.
Imagine
that
this
was
undeveloped.
Land
like
Wagner
Farms,
a
vestigial
patch
of
pasture
left
over
from
evanston's
rural
past
and
but
surrounded
by
homes
and
some
developer,
say
a
shopping,
mall,
say
or
say,
wanted
to
come
in
build
a
sports
and
entertainment
facility
to
attract
35,
000
customers
at
a
time,
but
with
parking
for
only
1500
vehicles,
they'd
be
left
out
of
this
chamber.
It
would
never
happen.
It's
so
far
from
the
standards
that
this
commission
is
supposed
to
enforce.
Through
its
recommendations
to
the
council.
AJ
AJ
But
when
you've
got
half
a
billion
dollars
to
play
with
that's
almost
a
trifle
but
no
college
does
that
no
College
puts
a
sports
and
entertainment
District
like
that
proposed
here
right
in
the
middle
of
their
main
campus.
Why?
Because
it's
disruptive
to
academics
it'd
be
disruptive
to
student
residents
to
sleeping
they
don't
want
the
traffic
and
they
don't
want
a
flood
of
Outsiders
coming
in
to
the
campus
even
in
summer
months.
AJ
AJ
It's
not
acceptable,
it's
simply
not
compatible
with
residential
development
and
that's
almost
just
on
its
own,
a
fatal
flaw
in
these
applications.
There's
the
question
of
property
values:
Central
Street
neighbors
has
conducted
a
lot
of
research.
Our
letter
to
the
round
table
back
in
the
in
January,
which
we've
attached
as
part
of
our
package,
was
based
on
that
research.
We
looked
census
block
by
census,
block
at
what
was
done
in
other
Big
Ten
communities.
We
tried
to
look
at
Loyola
at
DePaul
at
comparable
private
universities.
AJ
We
couldn't
find
any
comparable
instance
and
I'll
have
to
submit
a
request
for
continuance.
Just
so
I
can
take
a
look
at
the
University
of
Colorado
and
and
Boulder,
or
at
Wake
Forest
University,
but
I.
We
could
not
find
any
comparable
instance
of
any
college
conducting
commercial
type
programming
like
that
at
least
initially
proposed
here
in
a
stadium-oriented
parcel
surrounded
by
residential
neighborhoods,
and
let's
pay
particular
attention
to
the
back
and
forth
nature
of
the
proposal
talking
about
just
the
stadium
and
then
talking
about
the
whole
District.
AJ
The
rezoning
is
not
being
asked
just
for
the
stadium,
so
it's
not
just
six
more
events.
Okay,
we
already
have
17
basketball
games
a
year.
You've
already
got
six
or
seven
football
games
a
year
and
if
you're
going
to
add
to
that
60
events
of
indeterminate
nature
and
then
the
concerts
now
you're
closer
to
90
events
a
year
out
of
365
days
a
year.
So
that's
one
out
of
every
four
days.
AJ
So
when
they're
talking
about
2.5
percent
utilization
in
the
stadium,
that's
not
a
real
statistic:
the
real
statistic
is
moving
towards
25
utilization
and
that
amount
of
disruption
to
traffic
parking
and
the
other
impacts
that
residents
are
rightly
complaining
of
so
Jim
Hughes
in
particular,
has
submitted
a
separate
analysis
of
some
of
the
claims
being
made
about
rise
in
property
value.
Property
values
are
rising
throughout
Evanston,
whether
or
not
they're
close
to
the
university
and
in
in
in
many
comparable,
if
not
all
comparable
communities
around
around
the
the
country.
AJ
There's
an
inventory
shortage
and
everybody
who's
in
real
estate
knows
it.
So,
let's
not
say
that
people
are
bidding
up
houses
around
the
stadium
neighborhood
right
now,
because
of
what
might
happen
two
years
from
now,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
an
absurd
claim,
the
the
it's
far
more
likely
if
you've
worked
with
buyers
of
real
estate
for
years
as
many
of
us
on
Central
City
neighbors
have
that
almost
no
buyer
purposely
moves
to
a
neighborhood
like
the
stadium
neighborhood,
hoping
that
it
will
become
noisier
and
more
congested.
AJ
No
family
with
children
is
looking
to
move
to
where
studying
or
school
work
or
putting
a
young
child
to
sleep
will
be
interrupted
or
made
more
difficult
by
unwanted
sound
for
hours
of
even
70,
75
or
80
decibels.
So
for
decades,
the
stadium
neighborhood
has
been
sold
to
people
on
the
idea
that
well
there's
only
six
or
seven
events
a
year.
There's
not
that
much
disruption
and
you
can
learn
to
live
with
it
so,
but
that
that
would
that
would
go
away.
So,
at
least
in
the
short
term.
AJ
I
and
many
others
are
convinced
and
would
be
my
lay
opinion
testimony.
If
so
sworn
that,
at
least
in
the
short
term,
there
will
be
a
decline
in
or
at
least
the
softening
of
upward
pressure
on
on
on
market
prices
for
homes
in
the
neighborhood,
because,
what's
it
worth
to
you,
if
your
child
on
the
day
before
they
have
the
SAT,
you
know
can't
concentrate
because
of
three
hours
of
a
concert
going
on.
AJ
With
regard
to,
there
are
a
couple
statements
made
tonight
and
there
was
a
lot
of
new
information
and
some
of
the
statements
made
in
in
the
in
the
application.
We
don't
want
to
get
in
debate.
I'm,
not
a
Northwestern
Basher.
AJ
My
wife
and
I
are
alumni
as
I
said,
I
plan
to
go
to
my
reunion
in
a
few
weeks,
but
when
the
representations
of
community
outreach
I
simply
don't
understand,
Central,
Street,
Neighbors
after
I
think
the
village
of
Wilmette
is
the
most
oldest
and
established
of
the
groups
that
have
presented
her
tonight
were
a
legitimate,
well-established
stakeholder.
By
any
definition,
we
haven't
had
any
Outreach
from
Northwestern
I.
AJ
Don't
know
that
there's
been
a
single
meeting
public
meeting
with
the
most
livable
cities,
which
has
got
100
200,
300
I,
don't
know
how
many
contributors
and
members
you
have
so
the
failure
to
meet
with
two
principal
stakeholders.
If
that
was
done
in
any
other
neighborhood
in
Evanston,
there'd
be
outcries
and
all
sorts
of
accusations
and
name
calling
I
mean
Dave
Davis.
You
know
has.
AJ
AJ
So
what
has
occurred
here
from
csna's
perspective
has
not
been
Outreach
but
an
empty.
An
attempt
to
isolate,
surround
and
Vanquish
a
number
of
residents
and
constituencies
treating
them
not
so
much
as
partners
to
work
with
towards
creating
more
Vibrant
Community,
but
as
an
enemy
to
be
conquered,
and
so
I
would
vote
against
this
proposal.
AJ
Simply
because
of
a
lack
of
credibility
by
the
applicant
I
would
do
that
with
regret,
but
I
would
have
no
choice
because
of
what
I
have
observed
and
the
disconnect
between
some
of
the
claims
made
is
to
sound,
or
you
know,
saying
there
will
be
a
lower
height.
When
you
can
look
at
you
can
look
at
their
own
drawing
and
you
can
see.
There's
fans
up
at
the
the
highest
levels.
Fans
make
noise
up
at
that
level
and
they
get
noise
directed
to
them
at
that
level,
and
it's
open.
The
sound
has
to
come
out.
AJ
I
can
hear
the
sound
from
the
stadium.
I
live
almost
a
mile
away,
so
I
appreciate
the
effort
ahead
of
you.
I
feel
your
pain,
because
I
personally
had
to
supervise
the
response
to
public
comments,
numbering
over
thirty
thousand.
When
I
worked
with
the
state
of
Illinois
on
a
controversial
issue,
it's
not
an
enviable
task,
but
I
urge
this
commission
to
read
and
consider
all
the
comments
that
were
received,
even
if
only
in
the
last
five
days
keep
the
record
open
for
a
reasonable
time.
AJ
A
You
Mr
Smith.
Are
there
any
questions
for
Mr
Smith,
not
seeing
any?
Thank
you.
The
last
organization
that
I
have
signed
up
for
tonight
is
the
Evanston
Chamber
of
Commerce
with
Garrett
carp,
the
executive
director.
A
Y
My
name
is
Garrett
carp,
executive,
director
of
the
Evanston
Chamber
of
Commerce,
we're
located
at
1007
Church
Streets.
Thank.
A
You,
and
as
soon
as
I,
get
my
time
started
here
again,
you
can
begin
okay,.
Y
I'm
going
to
be
short
and
sweet
because
I
know
we're
towards
the
end
and
because
I've
been
sitting
in
a
chair
out
there
for
five
hours,
my
phone's
almost
dead,
and
that's
where
my
notes
are
so
Evanston
Chamber
of
Commerce.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know,
we
are
an
organization
with
a
100
Year
history
over
a
100
Year
history.
Now
and
we
are
the
only
business
membership
Association
for
all
businesses
in
Evanston,
that's
across
the
entire
geography,
any
type
of
Evanston
business.
Y
We
have
an
incredibly
diverse
board
and
membership.
That
I
think
is
unrivaled
in
any
neighboring
Community
or
in
the
region
and
what's
extremely
unique
about
an
organization.
Is
that
most
of
our
board,
who
are
business
owners?
Most
of
our
members
who
are
business
owners,
also
reside
in
Evanston?
So
they
are
Evanston
residents
as
well
as
Evanston
business
owners.
Y
Since
this
project
was
initially
announced,
we've
heard
almost
Universal
support
from
our
members
from
our
board
and
from
Evanston
businesses.
We've
heard
a
lot
tonight
about
Resident
concerns
both
for
and
against
the
project.
We've
heard
very
little
from
businesses.
I
know
a
lot
of
them
are
not
here
tonight.
So
Evanston
chamber
is
trying
to
be
the
representative
of
as
much
of
the
business
Community
as
possible.
Y
Our
membership
is
about
350
businesses
that
might
not
be
the
entire
avidson
business
Community,
but
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
listening
at
events
at
networking
events
on
our
own
social
media
channels
and
having
conversations
amongst
our
committees
and
overall,
we've
heard
mostly
positive
sentiments
from
our
members
and
from
Evanston
businesses.
They're
excited
about
short-term
construction
opportunities
and
longer
term
programmatic
opportunities,
especially
if
there's
you
know
a
plaza
for
programming
things
like
farmers,
markets
and
and
festivals.
Y
These
are
all
things
that
get
our
members
excited
and
we've
actually
hosted
along
with
Northwestern
University
two
different
informational
sessions,
one
right
after
the
project
was
announced
and
one
more
recently
just
a
matter
of
weeks
ago
that
were
informational
sessions
for
businesses
to
come
to
Northwestern
and
learn
about
partnership
opportunities
for
the
project.
We
had
everything
from
Lumber
suppliers
to
barbecue
restaurants
in
the
room.
It
was
a
really
positive
experience.
There
were
no
torches,
there
were
no
pitchforks.
Y
You
know
overall
I
mean
I,
think
we've
been,
we've
been
excited
to
hear
about
diversity,
goals
and,
and
we
hear
that
those
are
being
fulfilled.
Evanston
Chambers
excited
to
hear
about
that,
especially
because
our
membership
and
the
makeup
of
our
organization
is
diverse,
but
the
things
that
I
actually
keep
hearing
from
businesses
are
over
and
over
again
are
one
that
Canal
Shores
is
already
hosting
festivals,
just
a
few
blocks
away
and
that
there
aren't
noise
concerns
about.
Y
The
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
reiterate,
because
I
keep
hearing
this
from
our
board
members
and
from
other
businesses
in
the
community
is
that
at
a
time
when
and
we're
seeing
this
in
Chicago
we're
seeing
it
everywhere
in
the
country
you
have
professional
sports
franchises
and
even
universities,
extorting
taxpayers
out
of
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
if
not
billions,
of
dollars,
to
build
larger
stadiums,
to
make
more
money
and
to
line
the
pockets
of
the
owners
of
those
franchises
and
or
those
universities.
We
have
the
exact
opposite
thing
happening
here.
Y
This
is
privately
funded.
Taxpayer
dollars
are
not
being
invested
in
this
project
and
it's
a
smaller,
more
contained
stadium.
So
we
actually
think
that
overall,
this
is
a
a
fairly
well
thought
out
plan.
We
think
that
residents
are
actually
getting
a
pretty
good
deal
here,
with
a
more
contained
stadium
with
a
canopy
second,
partially
below
street
level
and
a
smaller
capacity.
So
that's
kind
of
the
what
the
buzz
has
been
about
in
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
world
and
among
the
Evanston
business
Community.
A
Oh,
are
there
any
questions
for
Mr
carp,
yeah.
D
One
thing
Canal
Shore
is
that
concert
venue
is
very
small,
it's
minute
so
compared
relatively
and
secondly,
doesn't
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
support.
All
projects
that
bring
people
into
Evanston
high
rises,
downtown
everything
so.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
carp,
so
with
that
I've
made
it
through
the
organizations.
I
will
note
for
the
record.
It
is
11.
52,
PM
I
have
received
several
continuance
requests.
Mr
Harper,
who
had
to
leave
Mr
Shapiro,
who
is
still
here,
I've
also
been
handed
a
few
other
ones,
but
the
first
one
I
want
to
address
is
Mr
gingold,
Scott
gingold.
If
you'd
like
to
come
forward
from
the
back.
A
I'm
not
going
to
swear
you
in
at
this
point.
I
just
want
to
get
cover
off
on
the
the
request
for
continuance
that
you
submitted.
Z
Yes,
I
submitted
a
request
on
July,
17th
I.
Think
the
reasons
presented
in
my
letter
have,
to
some
degree
been
obviated,
but
I
like
Mr
Shapiro,
would
add
additional
reasons
and
continue.
My
request
for
continuance
based
on
some
of
the
same
things
he
excuse
me
I've
lost
my
ability
to
be
articulate
at
this
hour.
Some
of
the
things
that
he
suggested
ought
to
be
submitted
before
we
come
back
that
have
been
listed
out
tonight
and
I
know.
You
said
you
have
a
list
of
those
things.
Z
The
only
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
I
thought
it
was
noteworthy
that
the
university
didn't
give
any
testimony
about
the
billion
dollars
the
city
is
going
to
see
over
the
next
10
years,
although
I
heard
Mr
Davis
present
that
on
the
news
tonight.
Z
So
if
there's
data
behind
that
I
think
they
ought
to
be
required
to
submit
some
form
of
spreadsheet
showing
how
they
get
to
those
numbers.
I've
seen
PowerPoints
in
the
packets
that
have
been
presented,
but
nothing
that
actually
shows
the
assumptions
and
numbers
that
lead
to
that
and
I'd
like
to
have
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
witnesses
that
have
testified.
Z
A
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
is
this
letter
is
fine,
but
anything
new
that
you
want.
If
you
would
submit
that
to
staff,
I
will
do
that
so
that
we
can
make
sure.
Like
I
said
we
have
a
three-week
window
here
in
between
and
I
want
to
try
to
make
sure
anything.
People
I
don't
want
to
come
back
on
the
27th
and
have
people
go.
Oh
yeah
I
forgot
about
that.
One
thing
will.
Z
A
AM
And
I
actually
already
requested
to
Mr
Davis
in
the
past
at
the
Northwestern
meeting,
was
a
health
impact
study
report
that
has
not
been
provided
and
I
will
say
that
the
sound
analysis
that
was
discussed
earlier
specifically
did
not
discuss
the
decibels
at
the
C
weighted
rating,
which
actually
are
at
the
80
to
95
sound
level
going
into
McCullough
Park,
as
well
as
into
Wilmette
and
at
those
levels,
from
anywhere
from
50
minutes
to
three
to
four
hours.
You
are
experiencing
severe
Health
impacts,
so
I
would
really
like
Northwestern
to
address
that
all.
A
I'm
going
to
ask
you
I
know
you
can't
speak
for
for
Ms
Hoffman,
but
I'm,
guessing
that
you
are
friends.
Yes,
since
you
handed
me
these
together
and
that's
for
concert
operations
and
the
question
concert
operations
is
the
reason
for
her.
AM
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
okay,
so.
A
Okay,
okay,
let
me
see
what
else
I've
got
here
so
I
have
a
request
from
continuance
from
Ivy
Russell
Evie.
Sorry,.
C
AC
I
was
on
the
understanding
of
the
rules
that
it's
to
rebut
and
use
new
testimony
presented
today,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
new
testimony
as
that
I.
That
I
mentioned
also
that
I
wasn't
able
really
to
hear
completely
so
I
would
like
to
go
over
that.
You
know
in
in
the
intervening
time
also
I
do
have
questions
regarding
the
actual
text,
Amendment
proposal
I
know
some
questions
were
asked
about
it,
which
answered
well
answered.
AC
There
was
not
really
a
proper
answer
from
Northwestern
I
felt
about
some
of
those
questions,
but
I
have
also
questions
about
the
tax
proposals
as
it
stands
now
for
Northwestern
to
explain
which
I
feel
the
tax
proposal
is
incomplete
and
then
also
I
feel
that
because
the
material
that
was
presented
to
the
land
use,
commission
addendum,
which
is
called
comments
received
at
8
31,
was
incomplete
because
it
omitted
paragraphs
of
material
submitted
by
people
to
you
and
I
had
talked
to
Megan
Jones
yesterday
and
as
of
today,
it
hadn't
been
corrected
and
both
you
Mr
chairman
and
the
rest
of
you
were
not
able
to
read.
AC
Actually,
those
comments
in
complete
form,
just
like
you,
were
not
able
to
see
the
entire
sound
map
that
was
submitted
so
those
those
documents
that
the
city
published
were
published
in
a
incomplete
form
and
then
there's
all
that
new
material
that
you're
getting
so
I
feel
that
that
a
continuance
needs
to
be
there
not
just
for
us
residents,
but
for
you
guys
to
look
at
the
material,
but
mainly
it
is
because
the
evidence
that
Northwestern,
okay
and
then
also
because
at
the
August
31st
2023
2023,
a
new
city
committee.
AC
Questions
were
asked
especially
to
Mr
Figora,
and
there
were
two
two
people
who
spoke:
I
mean
no
David
spoke
a
little
bit,
but
mainly
Mr
Figora
and
darag,
who
is
no
longer
I
suppose
with
in
that
capacity,
and
he
either
answered
incompletely
or
refused
to
answer
or
said.
Oh
you'll
find
out
on
the
day,
meaning
today
and
we
did
not
find
out
on
the
day
today.
So
that's
why
I'm
asking
for
continuance
and
regarding
to
the
questions
that
I
would
back
asking
I
would
want
to
look
over
the
material
first
and
I.
AC
A
L
AA
AC
A
A
All
right
so
I
currently
have
eight
requests
for
continuances.
A
That
range
in
great
great
range
I
see
my
attorney
coming
to
me.
So
let
me
just
have
a
quick
little
discussion
here.
A
W
A
A
They
will
each
be
granted
a
total
of
30
minutes
that
will
include
any
presentation
you
want
to
do
and
cross-examination.
If
you
need
a
little
more
time,
I
will
be
flexible
in
that
time,
but
I'm
trying
to
condense
it
down,
so
that
these
aren't
open-ended
long,
lengthy
conversations
in
return
in
regard
to
the
other
six
that
I
received.
A
Any
thoughts
from
the
rest
of
the
commission
on
this,
whereas
I
respect
people
having
the
ability
to
ask
questions,
and
this
is
not
meant
to
slam
anybody
who
did
ask
for
a
continuance.
Please
don't
read
it
into
that.
Read
that
into
this,
but
when
we
have
questions
coming
from
experts
to
experts,
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
a
better
conversation
to
be
had
then
questions
coming
from
from
lay
people
to
experts
necessarily.
AA
A
So
I'm
going
to
go
with
10
minutes,
10
minutes
for
the
other
six
to
ask
questions.
Do
any
presentation
you
want
to
do
so:
that's
that's
for
everybody
except
Mr,
Harper
and
Mr
Shapiro,
so
that
includes
Mr
gingold,
Miss,
Hoffman,
Miss,
McCarthy,
Miss,
tirsh,
Miss,
Russell
and
miss
rosinski
and
again
I
will
be
a
little
flexible.
A
But
I'll
ask
you
to
please
try
to
stay
within
those
time
limits,
because
we
also
will
be
taking
all
public
comment
that
is
available
that
day
as
well
and
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
balance
that,
because
you
will
be
able
to
make
public
comment
for
the
allotted
time
as
well.
But
then
I
will
give
you
additional
time
for
any
additional
presentation
beyond
that,
as
well
as
being
able
to
cross-examine
Witnesses.
A
Yes,
I
see
the
hands
going
up
and
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to.
Please
come
up
to
the
microphone
so
that
I
can
so
it
can
be
picked
up
on
the
record.
AA
You
very
much
chair,
Rogers
and
members
of
the
committee
just
having
gone
through
a
similar
exercise
in
then
you
could
committee.
My
name
is
Peter
raithwaite,
director
of
procurement,
diversity
and
Community
engagement.
Would
it
be
possible
to
ask
the
have
the
questions
up
front?
My
after
12
o'clock,
my
mind
is
most
so.
A
AL
A
Of
discussion
that
we
want
to
have
yes,
some
of
those
may
be
repeats
of
things.
We've
already
talked
about
I
agree,
but
others
may
be
new,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
any
of
that
stuff
is
available.
If
we
can
get
some
more
direction
from
these
people,
I
will
ask
City
staff
to
reach
out
to
them
and
see
if
we
can
get
any
further
details
on
specifics
to
try
to
make
better
use
of
our
time.
That
would
be
thank.
AD
Thank
you,
I,
wasn't
sure
if
you
were
going
to
mention
the
other
information
that
we'd
asked
for
Northwestern
to
offer
as.
A
Part
of
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
get
it
off
the
recording,
because
that's
more.
AD
But
or
if.
A
A
Okay,
Ms
rosinski
had
raised
her
hand,
but
she,
the
the
question,
was
answered
anything
else
at
this
particular
hour
of
the
morning,
which
it
now
is
so
those
continuances
are
all
granted.
A
If
those
people
have
specific
questions
that
you
want
answered,
if
you
feel
comfortable
sharing
those
with
City
staff,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
can
get
as
many
detailed
answers
as
possible
for
everyone,
Mr
Shapiro,
I,
assume
you'll
be
bringing
some
witnesses
of
your
own,
potentially
so
I'm,
not
as
concerned
about
you,
because
I
expect
a
a
conversation
between
experts.
At
that
point,
everybody
else
who
signed
up
to
speak
I
will
retain
these
records.
A
We
will
go
to
our
next
meeting
for
this
particular
thing,
which
I'm
going
to
ask
for
continuance
in
just
a
moment
we'll
be
on
the
27th.
We
will
be
meeting
on
the
13th,
but
we
already
have
a
full
agenda
for
that
day
or
reasonably
full
agenda
that
day.
So
the
next
date
that
we
are
available
is
the
27th
to
hear
these.
That
also
gives
three
weeks
for
any
information.
Miss
Russell.
AC
AC
A
A
Of
Stone
Face
when
we
get
to
when
we
get
to
that
point
of
the
meeting.
Some
of
these
people
who
have
had
continuances
may
not
use
their
entire
time
exactly
because
they
may
ask
a
question
during
regular
public
testimony
that
will
provide
the
question
that
needs
to
be.
C
A
A
Northwestern
should
be
prepared
to
answer
those
questions,
depending
on
the
amount
of
time
that
that
all
takes
Northwestern
will
also
have
an
opportunity
to
make
their
closing
statement
and
rebuttal
depending
upon
how
long
the
next
meeting
takes,
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
we'll
we'll
cover
off
on
that
as
well.
It
is
the
intention
of
the
chair
to
not
drag
our
deliberations
out
over
two
meetings.
So
if
we
get
through
Northwestern
making
their
statement
at
the
next
meeting,
we
will
still
have
a
third
meeting.
A
That
will
basically
be
our
deliberation
because
for
us
to
begin
deliberation
and
then
have
to
leave
for
two
weeks
and
come
back
and
pick
up,
deliberation
does
not
seem
an
efficient
way
to
do
it
with
that.
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
continue
the
matter
before
us,
which
number
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me.
A
R
A
Move
by
lindwall
seconded
by
Westerberg
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
so
the
matter
is
continued
till
then
we're
not
done
yet.
So
if
you,
when
you
leave,
if
you
could
please
be
quiet,
we
still
have
two
quick
little
things
to
do,
one
of
which
is
communication
from
staff.
If
there's
anything,
they
feel
we
need
to
know.
A
D
A
All
right,
so
there
is
a
period
of
public
comment.
This
is
a
period
where
people
can
speak
to
us
about
any
matter,
not
on
our
agendas.
This
evening,
anyone
seeing
no
one
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
adjourn
at
12,
14.
I'll.