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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
the
june
22
2022
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council.
Ms
jones,
would
you
please
call
the
role.
A
A
I
don't
know
your
title
anymore,
my
planner
michael
griffith,
you
aren't
in
my
list
of
normal
people,
assistant
city
attorney,
brian
george,
zoning
administrator,
melissa,
klotz
and
community
development
director
johanna
naden.
This
is
a
formal
hearing.
There
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
may
be
recorded
accurately.
A
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
If
there
are
a
large
number
of
persons
signed
up
for
public
comment,
our
rules
grant
the
chair
the
right
to
limit
the
amount
of
time
for
each
person
to
speak.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant.
After
that,
persons
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject,
property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
A
A
The
commission
will
make
a
formal
finding
of
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented,
guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
our
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
did
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
the
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
please
sign
in
on
the
sign
up
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
you
are
asking
questions
or
making
statements
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
A
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
this
evening.
We
do
have
a
rather
full
agenda
with
three
items:
I'm
just
going
to
take
attendance
is
the
applicant
for
1571
maple
avenue
present.
A
The
city
is
representing
the
map
amendments,
and
this,
I
believe
ms
klotz
is
handling
that
one
and
then
the
planned
development
at
3434
central
street
is
the
applicant
african
is
here
as
well.
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
anybody
who
may
be
speaking
to
us
this
evening
to
be
sworn
so
I'll.
Ask
you
to
raise
your
right
hand.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
The
first
item
we
have
on
our
agenda
this
evening
is
the
approval
of
our
meeting
minutes
from
our
june
8th
meeting
2022.
A
A
That's
clarification.
That's
our
june
8th
2022
minutes.
Is
there
a
second
second?
I
heard
frogtel
since
he
sits
closer
to
me
so
moved
by
westerberg,
second
by
puktel
any
further
discussion
on
the
minutes.
Hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes.
Please
say:
aye
aye
anyone
opposed
and
anyone
who
is
not
present
at
the
last
meeting
and
can't
vote.
D
I
I
was
not
at
the
last
meeting,
but
I
did
watch
the
video
okay.
A
Yeah,
our
last
meeting
was
really
just
a
training
session,
so
it
wasn't
so
with
the
seven
zero
and
one
the
minutes
are
approved,
and
with
that
we
will
move
into
the
items
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
this
evening
before
I
do
that.
Can
someone
from
staff
fetch
me
the
sign
in
sheet
please?
So
I
can
see
how
many
people
we
have
signed
up
for
each.
A
A
A
A
Looks
like
I
just
have
about
five
people
on
the
second
on
on
the
last
case,
so
we
discussed
shifting
things
around,
but
based
on
the
number
of
people
who
signed
up
for
each
one,
I'm
going
to
keep
the
agenda
in
the
order
in
which
it
was
posted
this
evening.
A
B
1571
maple
avenue
llc
the
applicant
submits
for
a
major
adjustment
to
the
plan
development
approved
by
ordinance,
19015
and
amended
by
ordinances,
61016
and
147.018
in
the
d3
downtown
core
development
district.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
modify
the
number
of
required
leased
parking
spaces
from
55
to
zero
terminating
the
existing
parking
lease
between
the
applicant
and
the
city
of
evanston.
A
Thank
you
is
the
with
the
applicant.
Please
come
up
to
the
lectern.
F
F
Our
firm
has
developed
two
projects
in
this
in
evanston.
So
far,
this
one
1571
maple
as
well
as
truly
evanston,
which
is
at
1815
ridge,
avenue,
the
new
assisted
living
that
just
went
up
at
the
intersection
or
green
bay,
ridge
and
emerson
all
meet.
F
Ten
years
ago,
we
set
out
to
do
a
transit
oriented
development
in
evanston
which,
at
the
time
did
not
have
a
transit
oriented
development
ordinance.
So
when
we
first
sat
down
with
staff,
we
worked.
We
worked
for
on
this
project
for
about
four
years
before
it
was
finally
approved,
and
subsequently
a
transit,
oriented
development
ordinance
has
been
approved
by
the
city
and
is
producing
some
results
towards
the
the
greener
goals
of
of
the
city.
F
So
when
we
were
finally
approved
in
2016,
part
of
the
process
was
working
with
the
neighbors,
who
were
worried
about
parking
in
the
neighborhood
that
a
building
that
did
not
have
parking
on
site
would
overwhelm
the
neighborhood
that
it
was
in
now.
The
neighborhood
that
we
happen
to
be
in
has
no
on-street
parking
available
whatsoever
without
a
permit
overnight.
So
or
it's
pay
during
during
the
day.
So
there
really
isn't.
F
There
was
never
really
that
opportunity
for
our
our
residents
to
overwhelm
the
streets,
but
we
agreed
that
we
would
sign
a
lease
with
the
city
for
101
parking
spaces
to
cover
our
101
units
in
the
12-story
building,
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
safeguarded
against
overwhelming
the
neighborhood
from
from
parker's,
we
were
mandated
to
tell
all
of
our
residents
or
potential
residents
that
they
had
to
if
they
had
a
car
that
they
had
to
sign
a
lease
in
the
maple
avenue
parking
garage,
which
was
1600
feet
away
versus
sherman
avenue,
which
was
500
feet
away
and-
and
we
did
so
and
our
first
year
the
building
filled
up
very
quickly.
F
It
was
very
successful
and
we
were
not
able
to
lease
even
40
parking
spaces.
Today
we
stand
around
five
that
are
leased
through
us
that
go
back
to
the
city
garage.
Those
five
are
all
scheduled
to
move
out
actually
by
the
end
of
the
summer,
so
we're
projecting.
Actually,
we
will
have
no
buddy
in
our
building.
That's
renting
spaces
in
the
maple
avenue
garage
through
us.
At
that
time.
F
A
number
about
three
years
ago
we
we
had
had
the
building
open
for
for
a
couple
years
that
had
gone
down
to
about
20
spaces
after
a
couple
years,
and
we
came
in
front
of
the
city
council
to
ask
for
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
spaces
that
we
had
to
lease,
because
we
were
literally
paying
110
of
space
for
55
spaces
every
single
month
every
year,
and
we
can't
do
anything
with
them.
F
The
the
the
what
I'd
like
to
to
bring
up
is
that
the
garage
lease
when
it
was
negotiated
that
we
would
put
this
in
place
was
meant
as
a
safeguard,
a
quote
on
quote
from
the
city
council,
to
make
sure
that
this
experiment
of
the
transit
oriented
development
did
not
disrupt
existing
residents
in
the
neighborhood.
F
Now
we
at
that
time,
we'd
also
done
a
study
with
cnt,
which
is
the
center
for
neighborhood
technology,
one
of
the
leading
parking
stud
parking
study
groups
in
chicago,
it's
a
not-for-profit,
and
they
determined
that
there
were
actually
5
000
people
living
in
downtown
evanston
at
that
time
without
a
car.
So
when
we
all
looked
at
the
101
units,
we
felt
like
this
was
a
self-selecting
process
that
e-2
was
parked
2-1.
F
That
focus
was
part
2-1,
that
there
were
buildings
that
had
lots
of
parking
that
if
you
needed
that
in
your
life,
you
could
live
there,
but
the
transit
oriented
development,
nature
of
not
having
a
car
living
in
our
city
was
approved
and
it
got
national
attention,
including
a
national
article
in
politico,
not
for
our
project,
but
for
evans
decision
to
follow
the
heart
of
the
community
towards
greening
evanson
and
transit,
oriented
development.
F
F
F
What
we
are
asking
is
that
we
let
the
residents
and
the
market
determine
where
they
want
to
park
and
what
they
want
to
pay
for
parking
evans,
downtown
evanston
is,
is
very
well
supplied
with
free
parking
spaces
and
the
parking
lease
was
never
a
public
benefit.
It
is
not
a
public
benefit
to
the
pd.
It
was
never
part
of
our
public
benefit
package.
It
was
simply
a
safeguard
to
allow
us
to
go
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
have
any
issues
with
the
neighborhood.
F
Our
people
parking
on
the
streets
overwhelming
the
neighborhood,
so
we
feel
that
we're
kind
of
facing
a
punitive
situation
that
wasn't
really
the
intention
of
the
agreement
between
us
as
the
property
owners
and
the
city
council
at
the
time.
So
we're
requesting
that
that
be
reviewed,
and
we
would
prefer
that
to
at
least
be
eliminated
so
that
our
residents,
who
might
have
cars
and
are
willing
to
park
off
premises,
can
find
their
own
parking
spaces
via
the
market,
which
is
currently
very
plentiful.
G
I
I
think
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
Is
it
correct
that
the
the
the
ordinance
says
that
if
you're
a
tod
in
this
case
this
this
unit
as
a
tod
project
would
require
85
spaces?
I
think
I
read
that
in
the
in
the
literature
that
we
got
so
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
H
So
I
think
mr
mclean's
point
is
well
taken,
but
this
would
be
a
this
is
probably
a
lot
just
like
we
created
the
tod
parking
requirement.
I
think
in
response
to
your
project,
this
is
a
larger
policy
discussion.
We've
required
parking
for
other
developments
and
they've
used
city
garages.
I
think
our
suggested
proposal
that
is
included
with
the
parking
managers
just
consideration
is
that
we
keep
the
parking
intact,
but
that
the
project
be
only
required
to
pay
for
the
parking,
because
one
of
the
things
that
that
is
being
used
by
tenants.
H
So
instead
of
having
to
buy
the
large
block
of
parking
that
are
essentially
empty,
empty
spaces,
we
right,
we
reserve
the
block,
you
only
pay
for
what
you
are
using
and
we
make
sure
we're
reserving
those
spaces.
Because
one
of
the
other
issues
that
I
recall,
I
was
not
the
community
development
director
when
this
project
went
through.
But
one
thing
I
do
recall
is
maple
is
a
farther
away
garage
distance,
wise
than
sherman
sherman
wasn't
available
at
the
time
it
was.
It
was
fully
parked.
H
So
if
from
a
tenant
perspective,
if
you,
if
you
have
to
get
in
line
at
the
beginning
of
your
lease,
you
may
be
a
year
or
two
before
you
get
to
the
front
line
to
get
monthly
parking.
So
what
we
could,
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
accommodate
the
parking
that
is
needed
for
this
building,
reserving
a
block
of
space
not
having
to
pay
for
all
of
it,
but
use
as
you
go,
but
it
reserves
that
block.
H
G
That's
where
I
was
going,
because
I
I
read
about
this,
your
idea
and
I
thought
it
was
a
good
one,
and
I
my
sense
of
this
is
that
it
should
be
a
a
policy
and
not
you
know
every
you
know,
different
developer
comes
in
and
he
says:
hey,
I
don't
have
you
know
renters
that
have
cars
this
year
and
so
reduce
the
parking
it's
just.
This
is
insane,
I
think,
and
and
to
make
exceptions
for
every
single
single
development.
So
I
think
there
should
be
a
problem.
H
It's
a
lot
to
it's.
Also,
it's
a
lot
to
track
and
if,
if
you've
been
paying
attention
to
the
news
we
are,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
staff
to
monitor
this
on
a
regular
basis.
So.
H
You
know
we
are
we,
we
are
in
a
challenging
market
to
hire
across
this
country
right
now,
and
evanston
is
no
exception.
So
so
our
suggestion
is
this
is
a
good
way
to
manage
it.
I
think
it
takes
care
of
the
issue
of
having
to
pay
for
a
block
of
parking,
that's
not
being
used.
H
The
gas
pricing
going
up,
obviously
is
going
to
continue
to
make
a
challenge,
but
you
know
we're
still
where
we
are,
but
this
project
couldn't
get
any
closer
to
transit,
sort
of
being
actually
on
top
of
the
tracks,
so
they're
very
well
situated
for
that
for
the
advantage
of
transit.
I
H
J
H
H
So
the
council
gave
relief
at
that
the
count
the
plan
commission
recommended
and
part
of,
I
think
the
argument
at
the
time
was
look.
I've
now
come
back.
I
I
am
asking
for
parking,
that's
more
in
line
with
the
transit
oriented
development,
parking
requirements
of
development.
So,
if
I
was
building
a
building
today,
I'd
be
required
to
provide
less
parking
than
I
have
been
required,
so
he
was
trying
to
get
anything
more
in
line
with
the
requirements
of
transit-oriented
development.
At
that
time,.
I
H
It's
like
any
development,
so
any
development.
They
say
here
we're
asking
for
they're
effectively
asking
for
it's
a
major
adjustment
they're
asking
for
an
adjustment
from
from
their
plan
development,
so
they're
asking
for
further
reduction
in
the
required
parking.
We've
had
you've
had
developments
for
you
that
ask
for
reductions
in
parking.
So
then
they
can
lease
parking
to
the
public.
So
I
think
811
emerson
just
did
that.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
they're
trying
to
deal
with
extra
parking.
H
This
way
he's
giving
us
good
information
about
how
their
project
is
functioning
and
but
we're
also
we're
we're
aware
of
these
spaces
where
proper
cars
are
are
registered
with
the
secretary
of
state.
At
this
there's
two
different
addresses
at
the
property
that
the
secretary
of
state
has
has
proper
cars
at
and
we're
hearing.
You
know
sort
of
the
the
neighborhood
whispers
of
where
these
cars
are
actually
parked.
So
if,
if,
if
it
was
me
personally
leasing,
I
want
to
find
a
car
spot.
H
If
I
have
a
car
close
to
where
my
building
is
maple's
kind
of
far
sherman's
a
little
closer,
but
the
whatever
the
winthrop
club
is
called
now
is
even
closer.
You
know,
so
you
start
to
figure.
You
figure
out
the
shortest
distance
people
get
very
clever
and
creative,
with
where
they're
going
to
put
their
car.
F
May
I
comment
just
just
on
that.
Just
a
a
couple
notes
on
that
is
that
this
isn't
a
new
development
right.
This
has
been
at
least
for
five
seasons.
It's
been
98
occupied
during
covid,
we
may
dropped
to
around
89
or
something
we've
never
had
those
cars.
F
I
think
it
is,
and
now
you
know
it's
max
peak,
probably
farmers
market,
you
know,
plus
other
things-
is
it
had
hit
seventy
six
percent
or
seventy
eight
percent
of
the
two
percent
somewhere
in
the
seventies,
but
a
regular
basis
on
a
monthly
basis.
It's
still
really
way
down,
and
it's
always
has
been.
It
is
not.
It
was
not
the
intention
of
this
lease
to
support
the
investment
in
a
parking
garage
of
evanston.
F
Our
neighbors
probably
parked
two
to
one
and
they're
as
far
as
par
available
spaces,
because
it
was
a
condominium
built
in
2009,
now,
they're,
probably
using
half
of
those
spaces
and
they're
now,
leasing
them
to
the
public
so
that
they
can
recover
some
of
their
their
own
investment
and
we're
we're
just
asking
the
consideration
of
this.
This
committee,
and
eventually,
hopefully,
city
council,
that
we
further
this
evaluation
further,
what's
really
happening
here
and
and
look
at
what's
been
proven.
F
Not
not
a
speculative
development
that
may
or
may
not
have
the
same
type
of
people
may
not
be
in
the
same
type
of
location.
We
are
literally
20
feet
away
from
the
metra
and
the
l
right
in
downtown
evanston,
a
a
walk
to
grocery
stores.
Restaurants-
and
I
mean
right
on
davis
street,
so
we
were
the
first
big
development
in
redevelopment
on
davis
street.
In
fact,
the
vacancy
on
davis
street
was
about
20
when
we
started
this
project
is
now
zero.
F
And
I
I
mean
at
that
point-
I
kind
of
have
to
leave
it
to
your
discussion
as
our
leaders
here.
You
know
about
that
versus
letting
the
market
just
let
people
lease
spaces
wherever
you
know
where
they're
available
and
they
meet
their
budget
and
distance
requirements
and
all
those
other
things.
G
G
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
is:
let's
just
take
500
feet
from
your
your
your
development
as
a
center.
Does
that
include
residential
areas?
In
other
words,.
F
There's
within
a
few
blocks
right
we're
on
we're
on
maple
and
davis
and
elmwood.
So
when
you
get
the
grove
you
cross
over
grove,
you
get
into
residential
neighborhood,
it's
permanent.
Only
we
we
were
denied
the
ability
to
request
permits
for
our
building,
for
that
permit
only
district
if
you
walk
a
couple
blocks
west
to
oak,
and
I
promise
that's
the
last
time
I'm
going
to
mention
oak
street
tonight,
there's
also
a
restricted
parking.
So
there's
the
only
options
are
to
pay
for
a
garage.
F
F
If
you're
noticed
on,
you
know,
nexa
jay's,
so
they
aren't.
The
cars
aren't
there
and
in
the
11
spaces
that
we
have
on-site,
which
is
open
to
the
public
free
of
charge
during
the
during
the
day,
are
you
you
know,
are
utilized
during
the
day
all
the
time,
because
every
time
I
go
to
venice,
I
got
to
park
down
the
block
because
I
can't
park
before
I
even
park
there,
but
we
also
have
we
brought
an
aligned
health
who
is
a
chiropractor
acupuncture
group?
F
That's
in
our
retail,
you
know,
and
they
have
a
couple
customers
that
may
use
that
you
know
during
the
day
and
and
things
like
that,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
even
the
the
state
records
it's
not
illegal
to
own
a
car.
It
just
has
to
be
parked
somewhere
right.
It
was
our
agreement.
So
some
of
the
a
lot
of
the
residents
that
we
have
are.
F
In
the
30s,
20s
and
30s,
and
some
of
them
may
have
a
car,
that's
at
their
parents,
driveway
right
or
their
parents
garage,
and
some
of
them
ran
at
1570,
maple
county
building
behind
us.
In
that
picture
there
some
may
even
rent
that
sherman,
not
you
know,
because
they
are
able
to
do
that
and
it's
closer
to
than
than
maple
avenue.
A
Here
I
have
a
question
for
staff:
do
we
rent
when
we
require
parking
in
a
building
or
I'm
sorry
in
one
of
the
city
parking
garages?
Do
we
do
we
charge
the
market
rate?
So
if
I
as
an
individual,
came
and
said,
I
want
monthly
parking
in
a
garage.
H
I
am
not
the
parking
manager,
but
I'm
going
to
play
one
on
tv.
I
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
still
the
case
at
maple
avenue,
the
parking
at
the
very
rooftop
was
considered
less
desirable,
so
there
was
a
reduction
there,
and
so
those
were
that
the
parking
manager
at
the
time
was
trying
to
sell
larger
blocks
of
parking.
So
I
think
he
was
selling
those.
I
think
we,
I
think
I
do
think
there
is
some
a
little
bit
of
a
lock
in
price.
H
But
don't
don't
quote
me
on
that
like
if
you
buy
now,
your
price
stays
the
same
for
a
period
of
time.
I
think
that
has
been
the
case,
but
I
think
generally,
it's
you're
paying
with
the
market
what
what
the
general
public
would
pay.
If
you
chair,
rogers,
wanted
to
get
a
monthly
parking
pass
at
sherman
you
could,
you
would
pay
the
same
as
they
would
be
paying
okay,
so.
A
H
Think
it's
generally
been
the
market
rate
of
of
the
I
mean
the
only,
and
I
don't
even
know
if
the
gate
is
still
up
on
maple
to
for
that
nested
upper
parking.
I
think
it
turned
out
to
be
it
might
have
been
more
challenging
to
maintain
than
originally
thought,
but
generally
yeah,
the
it's
the
market
rate,
because
the
cost
of
maintaining
and
the
garage
stays
the
same
right
right.
I
F
F
F
I
I'm
not
outright
opposed
to
a
compromise
of
that
nature.
I
do
have
to
say
that
I
think
we
have
some
more
discussion
of
practice
practically
how
you
know
how
that
speak,
how
that
works
and
and
things,
but
I
think
it
would
be
cleaner
to
to
not
have
that
requirement.
F
I
do
I
would
if
we
do
go
that
direction.
I
do
strongly
request
that
it's
sherman
plaza
not
not
maple
avenue
and
that
we,
you
know-
and
we
can
we
work
together
to
figure
that
out
before
city
council
has
to
make
a
final
decision
and
again
I
I'm
not
trying
to
interfere
in
policy
decisions,
and
you
know,
if
necessarily
influence
policy,
so
to
speak,
but
this
project
was
kind
of
like
there.
F
I
mean
that
was
like
what
it
was
at
the
time
you
know,
and
it
did,
and
I
think
I
think
we
all
benefit
from
it.
You
know
from
from
the
advances
that
we've
made
since
so
I
prefer
not
to
have
to
have
that
situation,
but
we
certainly
are
willing
to
continue
to
work
through
that.
The
details
of
that.
D
I
have
several
questions.
First
of
all,
right
now,
there's
the
two
hour
time
limit
during
the
day.
How
is
that
monitored?
Do
you?
Actually?
You
know,
because
I
read
through
the
the
some
of
the
ordinances
and
basically
it
suggested
that
you'd
have
people
towed
if
they,
you
know
overstayed
their
welcome,
and
you
know
I
I
looked
at
it.
You
know.
Actually
I
visited
your
parking
lot
twice
today
once
around
2
30
and
then
the
second
time
was.
D
You
know
on
my
way
you
know
coming
before
the
meeting
and
I
did
notice
that,
in
addition,
you
know
I,
I
know
the
staff
was
looking
at
what
were
registered
with
the
secretary
of
state
and
I
saw
several
cars
without
estate
plates
in
your
parking
lot,
and
so
you
know
how
is
that
monitored
during
the
day
and
then
also
overnight?
Or
is
it
well.
F
F
We
would
probably
more
react
to
a
complaint
during
the
day
that
there
was
a
car
there,
that
was
overstaying
its
welcome
or
if
there
was
a
car
that
we
saw
regularly
or
something
along
those
lines,
but
we
don't
really
want
to
be
in
the
business
of
kicking
people
out
of
parking
spaces
after
to
and
we're
not
ticketing
them.
You
know
so,
but
we've
never
had
a
complaint
that
it
was
an
issue
so.
D
F
They're
automatically
signed
up
for
it.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
the
their
actual
usage
for
it,
but
they
automatically
get
a
membership
with
their
lease,
because
that
was
the
agreement.
We
made
that
we
would
subsidize
their
membership
because
there
we've
had
several
different
companies
that
have
come
and
gone.
F
Car
share
has
been
my
somewhat
successful
in
chicago
and
evanston,
and
but
we
make
sure
that
our
residents
are
signed
up
and
have
no
membership
fees,
no
monthly
fees
from
the
get-go
and
whether
they
use
it
or
not.
I
mean
my
understanding
is
his
usage,
because
other
projects
have
lost
the
car
share.
I
mean
the
car
shares
just
decided
not
to
be
there
anymore
in
some
of
our
public
garages.
Some
some
of
our
you
know,
public
parking
lots
that
we
had
them.
Chicago
has
lost
thousands
of
share
cars
that
weren't
being
used.
F
D
You
know
the
the
other
question
I
have
is
that
in
the
when
the
there's
in
the
ordinances
there's
like
an
initial
seven
year
term
for
the
parking
lease.
When
did
that
start
and
you
know
and
then
and
then,
after
the
initial
seven
year
period,
there
was
supposed
to
be.
You
know
the
the
lease
terms
were
supposed
to
be
revisited
every
five
years,
at
which
point
you
could
result
in
you
know
reduced
parking
requirements,
and
presumably
I
would
imagine
the
city
could
alter
the
location
where
there
was.
F
So
I
believe
we're
at
year
five
and
and
not
seven,
but
we
did
decide
to
come
and
request
this
review
earlier
and
the
reason
we
did
was
was
again.
I
go
back
to
the
reason
why
the
lease
was
done.
In
the
first
place.
It
was
a
safeguard.
F
It
was
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
disrupt
the
neighborhood,
the
other,
the
existing,
the
current
existing
residents
and
businesses
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
current
parking
situation
within
the
neighborhood.
We
now
have
many
years
and
not
just
seven
but
seven
I
think,
was
negotiated
between
five
and
ten.
You
know
where.
K
F
That's
where
seven
came
from,
I
I
believe,
but
our
history
is
so
overwhelming
that
we
felt
that
and
the
city
council
invited
us
back
back
in
2018
for
a
few
could
come
back
in
a
couple
years
and
we'll
revisit
this
again
and
now
we
didn't
do
it
during
the
pandemic,
because
that
would
have
not
been
practical
information.
F
We
are
now
98
occupied.
We
now
have
five
cars
and
we
expect
those
cars
to
even
go
lower
when
those
residents
move
out
at
the
end
of
the
summer
yeah-
and
this
is
where
we
are.
This
is
years
of
data.
You
know,
so
we
felt
like
it
was
the
right
time
to
have
it
reviewed.
F
We
discussed
it
with
staff.
We
went
to
dapper
and
now
we're
now
we're
here.
D
One
more
question:
you
have
the
basically
11
spaces
on
on-site
for
overnight
parking
and
then
the
six
that
are
leased.
How
do
you
determine
which
resident
gets
to
park
on
site
overnight.
F
D
F
They
have
to
have
another,
an
off-site
parking
space,
so
whether
that's
their
parents,
garage
or
maple
avenue,
garage
or
sherman
plaza
or
our
neighbors
to
the
south
or
across
the
street
or
whatever
that
that
they
have
to
park
somewhere.
They
can't
park
on
the
street
literally
they
physically
can't.
So
they
have
to
park
the
car
somewhere
and
they've.
You
know
they're
determined,
they've
determined
where
they,
each
of
them
are
going
to
park
their
cars,
and
the
neighborhood
has
never
complained
once.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Any
other
comments,
questions
from
commissioners.
I
don't
think
there
was
anybody
who
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
matter
before
us
that
I
miss.
I
don't
see
anybody
raising
their
hand
to
acknowledge.
F
F
I'm
not
asking
you
to
make
policy,
I'm
asking
you
to
just
look
at
the
facts
that
we've
been
open.
We've
had
minimal
cars
and
we've
had
no
nuisance
claims
from
from
the
community
and
that
we're
just
looking
for
the
fair
thing
that
we.
You
know
that
our
residents
pay
for
parking,
that
they
need
and
we
don't
pay
for
parking.
We
we
don't
need
and
and
keep
moving
forward.
So
I
appreciate
the
consideration
and
I'll
be
here
for
any
questions.
If
anything
comes
up
during
the
discussion.
A
With
that,
we
will
close
the
record
to
public
comment
and
begin
our
deliberations
general
thoughts.
Commissioner
haleck.
G
Yeah,
I
have
just
a
question:
are
we
the
deciding
body
on
this.
A
G
As
well
continue,
I
I
I
think
our
recommendation
should
be
to
follow
the
the
staff,
the
staff
recommendation
on
this
as
outlined
earlier.
I
really
think
this
is
headed
toward
a
new
policy
and
this
might
be
a
good
trial.
You
know
to
you,
know,
take
it
now,
one
step
in
that
direction
and
I
think
it's
a
good
suggestion
see
how
it
works
out.
There'll
be
more
of
these
and
I
just
don't
think
it's
it's
appropriate
to
say
you
know
yes
to
one.
G
No
to
the
other,
you
know
you,
you
need
50
spaces,
you
need
35,
it's
just
confusing
to
me.
I
G
That
I'm
sorry
sign
page.
A
A
We
hold
these
55
spots
open
for
this,
this
particular
development
and
then,
if
they
need
five
spaces,
they
rent
five
of
those
spaces.
We
still
hold
50.
if
they
need
10,
45,
etc,
etc.
That's
it
so
it
would
be
a
denial
of
the
request
that
is
presented
but
it'd
be
a
compromise
request
that
wouldn't
be
a
flat
out
denial.
L
I
will
join
commissioner
halek.
I
believe
this
flexible
solution
is
better,
I'm
afraid
of
creating
a
precedent
that
every
development
will
start
coming
to
us
for
reduction
of
parking
spaces,
it's
good
to
have
a
central
policy
and
the
flexibility
of
offering
the
best
solution
to
a
developer
in
such
cases.
So
I
will
join
this
decision.
Thank
you.
D
Sure
I
agree
I
I
I
think
it
would
be
bad
policy
to
completely
eliminate
the
parking
requirement
or
for
the
the
to
recommend
terminating
the
lease.
I
think
that,
clearly
you
know
the
the
tod
parking
requirement,
which
you
know
was
for
85
spaces.
A
A
Quick
calculation
and
they
seemed
to
have
one
year
that
was
kind
of
an
outlier.
But
it
looks
like
they're
averaging
about
13.8
per
year
and
that's
with
a
high
of
42
and
a
low
of
six.
D
Right
you
know,
so
I
I
think
that
the
I
would
agree
that
we
should
not
recommend
terminating
the
lease,
but
rather
to
suggest
that
council
modify
the
parking
lease
to
you
know,
relocate
the
the
spaces.
A
I
have
a
question
for
staff
on
the
potentials
of
creating
a
nightmare
scenario.
If
we,
if
we
kind
of
go
that
route,
so
if
we
say
they
have
to
have
55
spaces
and
they
use
two,
we've
got
53
spaces
that
are
that
are
blocked
out
for
them.
The
next
development
comes,
they
need
85
spaces,
they
lease
two.
A
H
Well,
my
crystal
ball
has
been
foggy
for
a
couple
of
years.
Yeah.
H
Mean
that's
where
being
a
planner
can
be
kind
of
fun,
because
you
can
imagine
like
what
is
car
usage
in
the
future,
going
to
look
like
how?
How
will
people
use
this?
I
mean
they're
a
couple
year
pre-pandemic
there
was
this
discussion
of
how
parking
garages
were
going
to
be
totally
changed
up,
because
you
will
have
driver-free
cars
that
will
just
know
how
to
park
in
parking
garages,
and
you
don't
need
to
have
large,
drive,
vial
and
there's
all
sorts
of
things
that
could
happen
in
the
next
few
years.
H
That
would
dramatically
change
how
we
use
our
parking
garages.
I
would
say
if
we,
if
we
come
to
pass
and
have
that
problem,
we
could
figure
out
what
to
do
there.
I
mean
it's,
I
don't
want
to
liken
it
to
like
an
airplane
and
overselling
a
full
flight,
but
one
of
the
challenges
we
do
have
in
evanston
is
we
don't
over
sell
lots?
H
So
if
everybody
buys
a
space
in
a
lot
and
there's
only
30
particular
surface
lots,
there's
30
spaces,
but
some
people
park
on
the
street
because
they,
if
they
find
a
spot
closer
than
I'm
thinking,
particularly
in
southeast
evanston,
we
have
not
sold
that
other
space.
So
there's
I
mean
that's,
that's
the.
A
Problem
we
have
in
my
neighborhood
right.
That's
that's
exactly
the
situation,
I'm
kind
of
thinking
of
where
we
have
people
who
want
to
buy
into
lot
18,
but
it's
sold,
but
because
someone's
unloading,
their
car
they
park
closer.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
we
end
up
with
spaces
that
are
designated
for
something
that
can't
be
used
by
anybody
else,
and
I
just
was
curious.
H
And
there
might
be
there,
we
have
better
tools
to
note
with
the
transponders
tell
us
who's
in
who's
out
how
many
spaces
I
mean,
there's
no
signs
to
tell
you
how
many
spaces
are
available,
so
we
have
really
good
data
to
to
start
to
monitor
this
if
it
became
an
issue.
But
I
think
I
think
mr
mclean
is
in
the
right,
headed
in
the
right
direction,
that
there's
other
options
for
people
to
travel.
H
A
And
I
I'm
just
also
anticipating
the
arguments
that
we
will
hear
in
future
plan
developments
that
you
know
we
need
zero
parking
spaces,
because
we
have
lots
of
other
options
available
around
us,
so
I'm
kind
of
anticipating
until
we
get
an
actual
policy
from
council
that
yeah
we
don't
care
about
that.
You
know
it's
if
you're
in
a
tod.
G
C
I'll
only
say
that,
because
this
is
the
fifth
year
and
there
is
a
seven
year
lease-
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
be
onerous
for
the
applicant
to
go
through
at
least
another
two
years
with,
hopefully
some
compromise
with
the
city
and
see
how
the
data
really
does
shake
out.
After
those
full
seven
years.
A
A
A
A
While
you're
pulling
that
up,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
go
through
the
special
use
standards-
okay,
since
since
we
have
those
in
order
to
approve
projects
or
amendments,
in
this
case
our
adjustments.
In
this
case,
there
are
nine
standards
for
a
special
use,
and
we
must
find
that
all
of
those
standards
are
met.
A
The
building
exists,
as
it
is
with
the
parking
that
it
has,
and
it
is
a
residential,
a
residential
unit,
and
that
is
one
of
the
standards
that
is
permitted
in
our
downtown
area,
so
that
standard
is
met.
Number
two:
it
is
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinances
amended
from
time
to
time
again,
this
particular
project
already
exists.
A
The
thing
that
we've
been
kind
of
talking
about
here
is
is
the
off-site
parking
and
you've
also
heard
us
discuss
a
lot
of
it
as
being
policies
that
sort
of
need
to
be
somewhat
formulated
by
city
council.
We're
not
a
policy
making
board.
A
We
sort
of
follow
what
city
council
outlines
as
the
greater
vision
for
evanston.
So
I
believe
that
standard
is
met
number
three.
It
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
type
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
on
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
A
So
I
believe
that
we
may
see
one
or
two
up
to
six
cars
even
kind
of
pushed
out,
but
that
they
would
be
easily
adapted
are
adopted
at
different
places
within
the
surrounding
neighborhood
city.
Street
parking
is
not
permitted
in
the
immediate
adjacent
area
and
it
sounds
like
the
closest
residential
parking
is
permit
only
and
these
elig
these
residents
are
not
eligible.
So
I
think
this
standard
is
met.
Number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
A
Again
we're
talking
about
a
very
small
change
in
the
the
plan
development
as
it
was
approved
by
city
council.
I
believe
that
standard
is
met,
number
five.
It
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
Changing
the
parking
doesn't
really
affect
anything
in
the
public
facilities
and
services,
so
that
standard
is
met.
If
it's
even
applicable
number
six,
it
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
A
There
is
no
change
being
proposed
to
any
building
or
any
structure
in
the
downtown
area,
so
that
one
is
met,
if
applicable,
it
preserves
the
significant
natural
environmental
features.
Again.
The
building
exists
in
its
current
condition.
There's
no
proposed
change
to
the
building.
That
standard
is
met
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
in
which
it
is
located
in
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
that
the
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
plan
development
process
or
the
grant
of
a
variation
again.
This
was
a
plan
development.
A
It's
already
gone
through
that
process.
What
we're
adjusting
in
the
plan?
Development
paperwork
is
really
removing
the
leasing
requirement
for
55
spaces
and
adjusting
that
so
that
55
spaces
would
be
held
open
for
this
particular
developer,
but
they
would
pay
for
spaces
that
they
lease
on
an
as
need
basis,
as
opposed
to
something
that
they
would
pay
for
all
50
55
spaces
up
front
every
month.
A
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
standards
on
the
special
uses
and
then
I'm
going
to?
If
you
bring
that
up,
I'm
going
to
slide
over
and
try
to
read
this
off
your
computer,
the
standard
for
us
for
a
plan,
development
we've
we've
actually
adjusted
this,
but
it's
not
been
approved
by
council,
yet
to
actually
have
real
standards.
So
this
is
the
standards
that
we
have
as
a
special
use
plan.
A
Development
involves
such
special
considerations
of
the
public
interest
that
it
shall
be
required
to
adhere
to
the
specific
plan
development
standards
established
in
the
zoning
district
in
which
it
is
located.
Compliance
with
the
standard
shall
govern
the
recommendations
of
the
plan
commission,
which
actually
now
is
the
land
use
commission
applicable
to
a
planned
development
and
the
action
of
the
city
council
in
order
to
ensure
that
an
approved
planned
development
is
in
harmony
with
the
general
purposes
and
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
So,
basically,
this
is
an
existing
plan.
Development
we've
had
some
discussion
about
the
parking
requirements,
which
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
always
consider
when
addressing
a
planned
development.
A
A
The
next
section,
each
plan
development
shall
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
development
and
not
be
of
such
a
nature,
height,
bulk
or
scale
of
exercise
influence
contrary
to
the
purpose
and
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
again,
the
building
exists,
we're
not
changing
anything
that
involves
any
of
those
height
bulk
or
scale,
so
that
standard
is
met.
A
Again,
the
building
exists,
as
it
is,
that's
going
to
be
my
answer
for
a
lot
of
things
and
that
we're
only
talking
about
the
parking
and
that
that's
not
something
that
comes
into
play
here.
Number
three:
each
planned
development
should
be
compatible
with
an
and
implement
the
adopted,
comprehensive
general
plan.
As
amendment
the
plan
for
downtown
evanston
has
adopted,
land
use
or
urban
design
plans
specific
to
the
area,
the
zoning
ordinance
and
any
other
pertaining
city
planning
and
development
policies
again
we're
talking
about
a
tod
here.
A
This
is
something
that
may
come
up
in
the
future
with
city
council
giving
more
direction
on
exactly
what
their
policy
want.
What
policy
they
would
like
us
to
follow
moving
forward,
but
I
believe
this
is
met,
as
is
each
plan.
Development
shall
be
completed
within
two
years
of
the
issuance
of
special
use
permit
for
the
planned
development
that
one
is
not
applicable
since
it's
already
existing
and
number
five
all
landscaping
treatment
within
the
plan.
A
A
This
is
the
last
one
walkways
developed
for
a
planned
development
shall
form
a
logical,
safe
and
convenient
system
for
pedestrian
access.
I'm
just
going
to
shorten
these
that's
not
affected
here
on
the
location,
construction
and
operation
of
parking
loading
areas
and
service
areas
shall
be
to
avoid
adverse
effects
on
residential
uses.
A
Again,
all
of
those
things
we're
talking
about
parking,
but
we're
talking
about
parking.
That's
off-site
not
parking,
that's
located
on
the
property,
so
that
one
doesn't
really
apply
principal
vehicular
access
point
shall
be
designed
to
permit
smooth
flow
of
traffic
for
controlled
turning
movements
and
max
minimum
hazards
to
vehicular
or
pedestrian
traffic.
A
Again,
the
area
we're
talking
about
is
things
that
are
located
off-site.
The
plan
development
shall
provide,
if
possible,
for
underground
installation
of
utilities
that
one
is
not
applicable.
Number
five
for
every
plan
development
there
shall
be
provided
a
market
feasibility
statement.
I
would
hope,
after
seven
years
that
we
already
have
one
of
those
that
was
done
at
the
time
the
building
was
constructed
number
six
for
every
planned
development.
A
There
shall
be
provided
a
traffic
circulation
impact
study
again
the
there's,
no
change
to
the
parking
on
site
and
number
seven,
the
zoning
administrator
may
at
his
or
her
discretion
require
the
applicant
additional
studies
or
impact
analyses
when
they
determine
that
the
reasonable
need
for
such
an
investigation
is
indicated.
A
That
standard
is
not
met
again,
because
we're
dealing
with
an
existing
one
and
again
city
council
will
provide,
hopefully
at
some
point
more
direction
on
what
they
would
like.
The
policy
to
be
for
tods
is
everyone
in
agreement
with
that
long
list
of
standards?
A
So
with
that,
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
in
regard
to
1571
maple
avenue,
with
the
conditions
being
that
we're
going
to
deny
it
recommend
denial
of
it,
but
with
the
condition
that
55
spaces
be
held
available
and
that
the
applicant
be
required
to
lease
spaces
as
necessary,
and
is
there
anything
else
that
anybody
any
other
condition
that
I'm
missing
that
anybody
would
like
to.
A
D
H
A
very
challenging
electrical
situation
on
this
desk.
The
question
was
that
do
we
have
parking
spaces
in
sherman?
Yes,
so
we
could
shift
them.
D
I
will
try
with
the
respect
to
the
proposed
major
adjustment
of
a
planned
development,
1571
maple
avenue,
22
plnd-0032.
D
The
land
use
commission
recommends
that
the
number
of
required
lease
spaces
not
be
reduced,
but
the
the
parking
lease
be
modified
to
relocate.
The
55
parking
spaces
currently
leased
at
the
maple
avenue
parking
garage
to
sherman
to
the
sherman
garage
and
that
and
only
charging
the
rental
company
for
the
parking
spaces
that
are
utilized
rather
than
the
entire
55
spaces.
A
All
right,
second,
it's
been
moved
by
linwald
seconded
by
pruchtel.
Is
there
any
further
discussion?
If
not,
we
can
just
do
a
voice
vote
right.
B
Commissioner
aravalo,
yes,
commissioner
haleck,
yes,
commissioner
westerberg,
yes,
commissioner,
grand
chev,
yes,
commissioner,
johnson.
F
A
Yes,
so
with
eight
to
zero
being
the
vote,
it
appears
that
that
will
go
forward
with
a
positive
recommendation
with
that
that
one
change
that
we
discussed
so
mr
mclean
city
staff
will
keep
you
informed
as
to
when
you'll
appear
before
p
and
d
and
then
city
council.
So
good
luck
with
your
project.
Thank
you.
A
P
Thank
you,
chair
rogers,
a
city-initiated
map
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
to
remove
the
existing
ocsc
central
street
corridor
overlay
district
and
revert
to
the
existing
underlying
b1a
business
district.
Zoning
at
the
following
properties:
2600
gross
point,
road,
2608
to
2620
gross
point
road,
slash,
2620,
crawford
avenue,
26
28
to
26,
36
gross
point
road
and
2600
crawford
avenue.
The
rezoning
is
primarily
intended
to
allow
for
the
construction
of
a
permanent
outdoor
seating
area
and
tent
at
sarkees
and
future
facade
improvements
at
other
identified
properties.
P
I
will
give
an
overview
of
what
the
request
is
and
there's
just
a
few
slides
for
reference.
All.
P
So,
overall,
the
central
street
master
plan
was
adopted
by
the
city
in
2007
and
that
called
for
an
overlay
district,
which
was
then
adopted
in
2008..
The
overlay
district
is
form-based
code
and
it
deals
with
a
little
bit
of
use,
but
primarily
business
or
property
and
site
design
and
layout
of
the
properties
identified
for
the
rezoning.
It's
a
total
of
seven
parcels
and
four
existing
businesses
within
the
city.
P
P
Probably
the
most
significant
issue
for
these
properties
with
the
overlay
is
that
these
properties
have
more
than
one
street
frontage,
and
the
overlay
district
has
a
requirement
for
a
30-foot
pedestrian
area
and
that
eats
into
these
properties,
so
much
that
if
any
of
these
properties
were
to
try
to
either
redevelop
or
make
significant
building
or
facade
improvements
that
would
trigger
that
30-foot
setback
and
improvement
and,
for
instance,
on
the
sarkees
lot.
That
amounts
to
one-third
of
the
total
lot
size.
P
P
Overall,
I
would
like
to
make
the
point
that
no
drive-throughs
are
contemplated.
I
know
there
is
community
concern
on
that.
What
this
would
do
relating
to
drive-throughs
is
no
change
at
the
sarkees
property.
That
property
is
already
eligible
as
a
special
use
for
a
drive-through,
though
one
is
not
contemplated
to
my
knowledge
at
the
other
properties,
the
overlay
does
specifically
prohibit
drive-throughs.
P
G
Have
a
question
the
the
drive-through
issue
seems
to
be.
I
read
all
the
you
know
hundreds.
It
seemed
like
of
letters
from
the
neighborhood
all
opposing
this,
and
most
of
them
talked
about
the
drive-through.
You
know
that
they
we
cannot
have
a
drive-through
in
this
area
and
I
and
I
understand
special
use,
but
isn't
it
possible
to
well
gosh?
If
you
change
the
zoning
the
zoning
makes
drives
through
the
special
use
we
can.
A
So
could
you
just
speak
briefly
since
the
drive-through
you
brought
up-
and
I
know
that's
one
of
the
major
issues-
that's
been
discussed-
the
process
for
someone
requesting
a
drive-through
would
go
through
the
special
use
process.
P
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
something.
I
think
that
when
you
said
that
the
density
would
change
a
little
bit
and
I
underst-
I
know
what
the
numbers
are,
but
isn't
that
just
a
dwelling
unit
issue
it's
not
an
far
or
is
it.
P
No
you're
you're
correct.
It
relates
to
how
many
dwelling
units
you're
allowed
on
a
property
based
on
the
law
size
when
I
was
referencing
that
that
was
more
relating
to
what
these
properties
were
identified
to
to
be
rezoned
to,
but
then
instead,
in
the
end,
we
did
something
different.
So
in
the
end,
the
down
zoning
was
significantly
more
than
what
the
planning
process
had
thought.
It
would
be.
A
C
It
seems
complicated
enough
with
the
overlay
and
then
the
b1a
designation
does
peeling.
The
overlay
back
from
just
a
few
properties
actually
make
this
a
little
more
complicated
and
complex
for
the
city,
or
I
mean,
is
there
another
way
for
the
properties
in
question
to
get
what
they
need,
as
opposed
to
having
to
jump
through
all
this.
P
Another
option
would
be
to
revise
the
overlay
regulations
specifically
for
that
sub-area,
so
it
would
then
apply
to
sub-area
six,
which
includes
a
few
more
properties.
Potentially,
we
could
do
that.
The
the
form
based
code
doesn't
have
that
many
differentiations
between
the
sub
areas,
so
it
would
be
a
little
bit
more
difficult
for
staff
to
regulate
it
as
we're
looking
at
proposals,
but
overall
it
could
be
done,
but
it
would
affect
more
properties.
I
I
Apply
for
development
and
and
be
granted
leniency
in
those
proceedings
in
regards
to
the
parts
that
are
currently
restrictive,
as
opposed
to
going
this
route.
I
H
I
would
just
pay
you
back
on
that
that
we
have
a
council
that
has
expressed
that
they
want
projects
that
come
before
this
community
to
respect
the
underlying
zoning.
That's
sort
of
the
phrase
that
we
hear
over
and
over
again,
so
when
we
bring
projects,
projects
come
to
us
and
say:
oh,
we
need,
I
think,
there's
one
right
now
that
has
like
10
variances
that
doesn't
seem
like
a
very
suitable
project
because
it
doesn't
fit.
The
zoning
and
the
zoning
is
the
rules
in
which
we're
asking
people
to
operate
and
use
the
land.
H
So
that's
where
I
think
of
the
precedent
setting
nature
of
this
too.
That
opens
the
door
for
anybody
who
doesn't
like
the
zoning
code
can
come
forth
and
ask
for
six,
seven,
eight
variances
on
their
properties
and
we've
often
been
able
to
walk
people
back.
We
have
had
projects
come
forth,
they're
single-family
homes
that
have
very
very
many
variances,
and
we
say
this
is
really
not.
You
can't
do
this
because,
where
do
you?
Where
do
you
draw
the
line?
There's
nothing
particular
to
the
property?
So
that's
that's
where
we
we
kind
of
land
on
that.
A
A
All
right
at
this
point
I
do
have
one.
A
I
have
eight
people
who
have
signed
up
so
I'll
just
call
your
name
and
if
I
mispronounce
your
name
or
can't
read
your
writing.
Please
forgive
me
in
advance.
A
A
A
If
the
continuance
is
not
allowed,
then
we
will
ask
for
your
testimony
at
this
meeting,
but
in
respect
to
the
people
who
have
come
out
this
evening
to
speak,
we
don't
want
to
have
to
have
them
come
back
in
two
weeks
or
four
weeks
or
whenever
we
hear
the
case
again.
So
we
we
like
to
get
their
testimony
on
file.
I
am
aware
that
there
are
two,
I
believe,
requests
for
continuance
on
this
sorry.
I
should
have
clarified
that
earlier.
Thank
you.
The
first
speaker
I
have
signed
up
is
jeff
smith.
A
And
I'm
going
to
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
time,
since
we
have
a
lot
of
speakers
and
a
lot
to
get
through
I'm
going
to
allow
everyone
about
three
minutes
but
feel
free
to.
If
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have
long
presentations.
Q
A
A
We
are
talking
about
a
map
amendment,
I'm
talking
about
eight
people
and
another
planned
development.
We
have
on
the
record
for
this
evening.
Q
R
M
Q
Q
I
mean
literally
thousands,
my
name's
jeff
smith,
and
I've
lived
in
north
evanston
for
32
years,
I'm
currently
the
president
of
the
central
student
neighbors
association,
but
this
is
primarily
my
testimony
except
the
extent
it
reiterates
central
street
neighbor's
position,
which
is
that
we're
opposed
to
the
map
amendment
and
we
were
deeply
involved
in
the
process
in
2007-2008
that
led
to
this
three
minutes
is
really
inadequate
because
of
the
amount
of
time
that
went
into
it
literally
thousands
of
hours
in
2007
2008
the
change
to
this
sub
area.
Q
The
two
things
you
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
this
was
not
resident
driven
if
it
was
up
to
the
residents
keeping
it
as
commercial
would
have
been
just
fine.
It
was
staff
of
the
city
at
the
behest,
I
believe,
a
developer
that
wanted
to
change
it
to
a
business
district.
Second,
it
was
not
a
down
zoning,
because
the
old
far
kept
it
essentially
at
one
story.
Now
that
one
story
could
be
30
feet
tall
like
a
toys,
r,
us
or
something-
but
it
was
not
multi-use
development.
Q
Somebody
wanted
multi-use
development,
not
the
residents
of
the
neighborhood.
The
residents
felt
that,
because
of
the
high
traffic
volumes,
the
geometry,
the
intersection,
horrific
crashes,
I've
personally
seen
cars
turned
upside
down
from
the
velocity
of
the
impacts.
You've
got
people
who
essentially
still
feel
they're
coming
off.
The
edens
you've
got
nearly
a
mile
or
two
of
gross
point.
Q
It
was
recognized
that
there
were
already
existing
obstacles
to
sight
lines,
because
the
changes
in
elevation,
the
sticking
out
of
the
cvs
property
and
the
bizarre
beloved
but
bizarre
little
island,
hot
dog,
stand
which
and
if
you
filled
it
with
multi-use
buildings,
it
would
turn
it
into
essentially
something
like
six
corners.
Only
with
a
hot
dog
stand
in
the
middle
of
it
and
nobody
thought
that
was
really
a
good
idea.
Q
So
the
compromise
that
was
worked
out
was
that
okay,
we'll
move
we'll
we'll
we'll
turn
it
to
multi-use,
but
we'll
we'll
call
it
b1a,
but
we'll
give
it
the
height
of
a
b2.
So
it's
like
a
b1a
plus
everybody
agreed,
and
the
residents
never
claimed
that
this
should
be
treated
like
the
crown
jewel
section.
Q
You
know
hartree
and
prairie
or
the
far
east
portion
of
central
street,
so
that
was
essentially
how
it
happened
and
it
was
done
for
primarily
the
setbacks
that
you
see
were
on
purpose
and
the
idea
that
were
these
setbacks
are
a
problem,
so
we're
going
to
deal
with
it
by
having
less
setback
than
anywhere
else
in
the
central
street
district
seems
absurd.
The
idea
that
you're,
going
to
respect
zoning
by
getting
rid
of
the
zoning
completely
seems
also
kind
of
turning
it
on
his
head.
Q
I
urge
you
to
take
the
time
to
consider
the
photos
and
I
could
come
back
with
a
hour-long
slideshow
literally
it's
gigabytes
of
stuff.
On
my
on
my
hard
drive,
there
were
four
community
workshops
involving
hundreds
of
person,
hours
people
working
on
this.
Unfortunately,
most
of
the
staff
that
was
here
involved
at
the
time
bill-
dunkley
tracy,
norfleet
they're-
not
here
anymore,
so
I
have
to
show
up
it's
not
ancient
history,
though,
when
you
put
zoning
in
place
like
that,
I
think
it
should
be
kept
for
a
while.
Q
The
the
feeling
was
that
someday
little
island
isn't
going
to
be
there.
Someday
cvs
is
going
to
make
a
major
change
with
what
it's
going
to
do
with
the
property
someday
somebody's
going
to
realize
gee.
I
could
do
something
more
productive
with
the
parking
lot
next
circus
or
that
empty
lot
and
what's
being
done
and
then
at
that
time
we
would
turn
it
into
more
of
the
gateway
to
north
evanston
that
everybody
thought
it
should
be.
If
you're
starting
from
scratch,
you
probably
have
a
fountain
in
the
middle.
Maybe
a
rotary
there's
space
for
that.
Q
If
we
don't
build
it
to
the
seams
with
multi-use
buildings,
no
planner
in
their
right,
mind
would
say:
well,
let's
put
a
hot
dog
stand
in
the
middle
of
it
as
as
much
as
we
love
little
islands
dogs.
So
I
won't
reiterate
all
of
the
statement
that
I've
given,
but
I
urge
you
to
take
that
into
consideration.
Q
I
think
it
will
need
additional
time,
especially
after
you
hear
from
the
other
residents
here,
but
given
that
this
zoning
was
put
in
place
at
staff,
behest
that
the
setbacks
and
exist
for
traffic
reasons
primarily
and
for
safe
public
safety
and
that
we're
talking
about
adding
a
school.
Q
You
know
not
very
far
from
this
very
intersection
and
that
there's
a
there's
a
purpose
to
zoning
and
should
not
be
be
changed
to
go
and
change
it
without
doing
impact
studies
without
doing
traffic
studies
would
be,
I
think,
arbitrary
and
capricious.
I
appreciate
all
your
time,
especially
after
the
merger
of
the
planned
commission,
with
the
zoning
board
of
appeals.
They're
two
different
functions.
Folks,
who
signed
up
to
do
planning
work,
are
now
being
asked
to
do.
Zoning
work.
Q
A
Miss
lutz,
I
know
you're
one
of
the
people
who's
asking
for
a
continuance,
so
I'm
going
to
skip
you
at
this
particular
moment.
If
that's
okay,
the
next
speaker
I
have
is
al
turnovet,
turovitz.
Okay,
if
you
would
come
up
please
and
tell
us
your
thoughts,
okay,
okay,.
S
State
your
name,
my
name
is
and
I'm
I
live
at
3430
isabella.
I
live
at
the
back
end
of
lovelace
park
every
day
I
drive
quite
a
few
times
down
grouse
point,
crawford
and
central
and
my
main
point.
Well
maybe
I
should
say
this
right
off
the
bat
about
20
years
ago
I
had
an
accident
at
that
intersection
of
growth
point
in
crawford
the
sight
lines.
There
are
very
bad.
S
I
was
making
a
left
turn
and
fortunately
nobody
was
hurt
five
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
every
day
I
wish
somebody
would
come
out
and
take
a
look
at
the
traffic
around
the
hot
dog
island
area.
S
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
should
keep
the
zoning
ordinance
as
it
as
it
is.
We
should
allow
a
variance
for
sarkees
if
we
can,
but
I
don't
really
think
it's
going
to
serve
the
the
neighborhood
that
well
to
to
open
this
up
to
potentially
higher
traffic
areas.
So
that's
that's
my
say.
A
Thank
you,
mr
trovitz.
The
next
speaker
I
have
is
sigrid
pilgrim.
N
If
you
don't
know
where
bernard
place
is
when
we
moved
in
the
neighbor
told
us,
please
tell
the
fire
department
how
to
get
to
your
house,
because
we're
tucked
away
between
crawford
and
lovelace
park
on
a
dead
end
street,
which
is
very
nice
to
live
on.
It's
very
quiet,
however,
having
lived
there
since
1983,
I
can
assure
you
that
there
are
times
when
I
try
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
out
of
clifford
onto
crawford,
especially
later
on
in
the
afternoon,
especially
if
there
is
a
traffic
jam
on
edens.
N
N
N
If
that
is
the
case,
why
can
we
just
not
give
sarki's
a
variance
so
they
can
build
whatever
they
need
to
build
that
would
conform
with
the
overlay
district,
meaning,
and
if
I
read
the
overlay
district
rationale
correctly,
one
of
the
points
was
to
maintain
the
uniqueness
of
the
businesses
that
we
have
in
the
area.
How
much
more
unique
can
you
get
than
sarki's
and
hot
dog
island?
N
N
P
N
N
The
traffic
patterns
in
that
intersection-
I
urge
you
all
please
come
in
the
morning-
please
come
in
the
afternoon
once
the
kensington
school
is
there,
there
is
going
to
be
even
more
traffic,
but
also
understand
that
this
intersection
has
a
bus.
Stop.
There
are
schools
and
the
kids
they
walk
to
the
bus.
N
N
A
We'll
ask
the
fire
department
how
to
find
you.
The
next
speaker
I
have
is
kathy
treiber
trooper,
okay,
miss
triber
again,
if
you
would
just
state
your
name.
T
Okay,
my
name
is
kathy
treiber
and
I
live
at
2649,
hillside
lane
and
that's
up
behind
the
will
ridge
and
I've
lived
there
30
years
and
I'd
want
to.
T
I
mean
the
prior
speakers
have
all
talked
about
the
traffic
patterns,
which
is
an
issue
there.
I
mean
with
the
accidents
when
I
am
going
north
somewhat
on
crawford
and
turning
left
into
hillside
road.
It's.
T
It
is
always
on
my
mind,
I'm
going
to
get
rear-ended
because
someone's
going
to
not
see
that
those
lanes
merge
there.
So
that's
one
issue,
the
other
one
is
not
only
is
it
a
traffic
issue,
I
walk
there
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
walk
there
and
not
having
a
setback
again.
That
is
a
real
issue.
T
A
You,
ms
triber,
my
next
speaker
is
jerry
dalman.
U
Hello:
everyone,
my
name,
is
jerry
dalman.
I
live
at
2650
hillside
lane,
which
is
about
where
that
r2
is
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
and
we've
lived
there
for
about
27
years
or
22
years.
Sorry,
I'm
here
to
ask
you
all
a
couple
of
things
number
one
is
to
challenge
the
staff
to
ask
them,
which
some
of
you
have
already
raised
a
question:
why?
If
the
issue
is
sarkees
needing
a
permit
or
a
variation
for
a
tent,
why
did
this
get
expanded
to
other
properties
that
aren't
asking
for
changes?
U
U
We
as
citizens
and
residents,
may
lose
our
opportunity
to
challenge
that.
I'm
not
clearing
that,
but
this
is
an
opportunity
here
now
to
stop
the
possibility
of
having
drive-throughs.
A
number
of
speakers
have
mentioned
the
precariousness
of
that
intersection.
I've
seen
several
accidents
there
and
there's
two
type
of
accidents
that
happen.
There
are
accidents
where
it
happened.
All
of
a
sudden,
you
look
back
and
say
wow,
there's
other
accidents
where
you
can
see.
What's
going
to
happen,
you
can
see
a
car
going
through
a
red
light.
U
You
can
see
someone
being
confused
about
the
intersection
and
you
watch
the
whole
thing
happen,
which
is
traumatizing.
I
also
want
to
point
out,
as
other
people
mentioned,
that
is
a
very
busy
intersection
for
children.
There's
a
a
city
bus
stop
in
the
southwest
corner
there
and
children
walk
to
bent
park
and
to
love
lace
which
also
hosts
summer
camps.
So
you
have
children
going
to
these
schools
or
these
parks
either
by
walking
or
by
riding
bikes.
U
U
You
know
at
that
point
you
get
on
the
curb,
which
I
think
is
probably
not
lawful
and
there's
no
room
for
you
at
that
point
and
to
have
the
possibility
of
this
riot
sell
to
mcdonald's
or
whomever
just
scares
us
and
the
staff
mentioned,
or
someone
mentioned
that
there's
no
one
asking
for
a
drive-through
right
now,
but,
as
someone
else
pointed
out,
they
have
asked
in
the
past
specifically
nyx
and
chase,
and
it
couldn't
come
up
and
it
can't
come
up
in
the
future.
U
U
I
looked
at
the
points
number
four
and
number
six
that
you
reviewed
when
you
were
discussing
the
prior
change,
number,
four
being
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
being
affected
and
number
six
being
traffic
congestion.
I
think
not
so
much
sarki's
getting
a
tent,
but
opening
this
up
to
the
other
properties,
also
benefiting
from
it
risks
the
possibility
of
our
properties,
value
going
down
and
traffic
increasing.
So
I
ask
you
not
to
make
those
changes.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.
A
Allman
and
I'll
just
I'll
just
answer
kind
of
you
raised,
raise
the
point
about
the
drive-throughs.
A
So
there
always
is
any
drive-through
is
going
to
be
run
through
a
process
in
which
it
would
come
before
this
border
first
and
then
would
go
to
the
plan,
planning
and
development
committee
of
the
city,
council
and
then
city
council
is
a
full,
so
there's
no
way
that
it
would
be
blocked
out
from
the
citizen
comment.
Citizen
participation,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
that,
for
you.
A
V
Hi,
my
name
is
mary
rosinski.
I
don't
live
in
the
neighborhood.
I
live
over
at
1729
chancellor,
on
the
other
end
of
the
plan,
but
I'm
here
to
say,
the
central
street
plan
is
jeff
smith
and
everyone
here
has
pointed
out
was
put
together
with
so
much
time.
It
was
probably
the
best
effort
that
I've
seen
in
evanston.
V
I've
been
here
32
years
between
the
city
and
residents
in
coming
together
with
something
and
that
worked
out,
and
everyone
gave
the
residents
when
we
were
negotiating
with
this,
and
there
were
fabulous
meetings
where
the
dunkley
and
the
attorney
was
asking
for
this,
and
the
residents
would
save
for
this,
and
it
just
was
very,
very
at
ease,
and
I
think,
to
just
start
to
dismantle
this
one
piece
at
a
time.
Maybe
there's
a
lack
of
understanding
to
as
people
say,
that
was
the
gateway
to
evanston
and
the
concept
was
as
people
are
coming
in.
V
We
want
that
to
be
a
wonderful
greeting
place.
We
want
it
to
be
inviting
we
want
it
to
be
safe.
Not
only
do
you
have
kensington,
which
will
be
opening,
you
have
barbaro
preschool
you've
got
lovelace
park
with
hundreds
of
kids,
you've
got
bent
park
and
you've
got
willard,
so
what
you
do
want
to
do,
as
they
say,
is,
make
it
safer.
V
A
E
Hi,
my
name
is
joshua
hufford.
I
live
at
2630
crawford,
so
I'm
right
across
the
alley
from
several
of
the
properties
that
staff
is
encouraging
to
to
change
the
zoning
of
there's
2600
gross
point.
2608,
26,
20
gross
point
and
2620
crawford
are
all
16
feet
away
from
my
house
because
there's
just
an
alley
in
between.
E
So
I
just
wanted
to
start
by
addressing
a
couple
of
the
standards
that
I
see
and
one
is
about
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties.
And
yes,
if
there
is
some
bigger
development
and
especially
a
drive-through,
it's
going
to
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
my
property.
I
mean,
if
I,
if
there's
a
late
night,
drive-through
window,
you
know
20
feet
or
so
from
my
kitchen
window.
Yes,
that's
going
to
have
an
adverse
effect.
E
I
notice
in
the
staff
presentation
they
said
it
will
have
a
positive
effect
because
it
will
lead
to
removal
of
the
existing
temporary
tent
and
replace
them
with
a
permanent
tent.
But
you
know
the
existing
temporary
tent
is
is
illegal.
It's
only
been
permitted,
I
believe,
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
it
was
kind
of
an
emergency
measure.
E
I
never
complained,
I
don't
think
every
did
because
there
was
a
pandemic,
but
that's
not
really
a
positive
thing
that
the
city
might
actually
enforce
the
code
and
another
thing
in
the
standards
is
about
the
adequacy
of
on
public
facilities
and
services
and
that
people
have
talked
about
that
intersection.
It's
not
adequate.
You
know,
crawford
has
a
sharp
curve
and
a
change
in
elevation,
but
the
traffic
lights.
E
There
are
often
malfunctioning
as
they
have
been
the
last
few
weeks,
and
you
know
I
I've
made
several
calls
and
emails
that
they
don't
seem
to
be
able
to
fix
it.
Also.
We
have
gridlock
a
lot,
and
this
is
before
they
build.
This
proposed
kennington
school,
which
is
going
to
bring
in
a
lot
more
traffic
than
the
existing
church,
which
doesn't
have
much
traffic
and
what
it
has
is
only
on
sunday
really
in
one
one
weekday
evening.
E
So
the
public
facilities
are
not
good
and
a
couple
times
when
there's
been
accidents
and
once
when
there
was
a
burglary,
we
called
the
police
and
it
takes
a
really
long.
I
know
I
think,
when
it
was
a
burglary,
it
took
20
minutes
for
the
police
to
get
there
we're
pretty
far
at
the
end
of
town.
There's
not
much
police
presence
around
there,
so
the
public
facilities
are
not
there
to
support
increased
development.
E
I
think
also,
you
know
this
whole
thing
reminds
me
of,
I
think,
there's
a
saying
about
killing
a
fly
with
an
elephant
gun,
and
I
I
think
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
It
seems
that
circus
cafe,
which
now
owns
that
corner
lot,
would
like
a
permanent
tent
and
they
didn't
come
up
with
plans.
E
They
didn't
apply
for
zoning
variations,
so
all
of
a
sudden
city
staff
come
up
with
this
huge
idea
of
changing
everything,
and
I
know
in
the
packet
there's
a
letter
that
staff
sent
out,
and
I
really
don't
like
the
fact
that
staff
sends
a
letter
to
the
people
who
own
the
business
properties
on
girls
point
and
tells
them
that.
I
think
the
letter
said
that
the
central
street
overlay
district
quote
is
overly
limiting
for
the
identified
properties.
I
mean.
That's
that's
somebody's
opinion,
it's
not
the
city
council's
opinion
because
they
they
pass.
This
thing.
E
You
know:
that's
just
activism,
getting
the
current
property
owners
to
feel
like
they're,
they're,
they're
they're
being
done
wrong
and
they
need
to
change
something
I
don't
think
any
of
them
outside
of
maybe
the
owner
of
sarkis
were
agitating
for
this
before
and
I
can
say
for
sure
the
zoning
variation
process
works,
because,
where
I
live
like
a
lot
of
the
stuff
and
all
up
and
down
central
street,
my
house
doesn't
conform
to
the
zoning
laws
it
was
made
after
it
was
built.
E
Even
when
I
replaced
my
garage,
I
had
to
get
several
variations
and
it
wasn't
a
problem.
I
don't
know
if
the
auto
repair
shop
actually
applied
for
variances
and
was
denied.
It
doesn't
say
anything
about
that.
E
I
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
that
the
the
the
business
district
is
working.
Fine,
there's
only
one
sort
of
vacant
lot
and
it's
mainly
vacant,
because
city
staff
for
years
has
promoted
totally
unrealistic
projects
there
and
got
people
developers
interested
in
things
that
could
never
work
but
something's
working
there
now
and
all
the
all
the
existing
buildings
are
occupied.
All
right
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
I'll
put
you
I'll
put
you
for
the
other
one,
so
miss
lutz
you're.
The
final
speaker
on
this
particular
one.
A
W
Everybody
does
it
because
of
the
bakery.
W
W
Yeah
the
city
code
says
that
an
official
protest
can
a
petition
can
be
signed
by
residents
within
500
feet
and,
if
more
than
30
percent
sign
an
official
protest,
that
it
will
require
a
supermajority
of
city
council
to
approve
the
map.
Amendment
change
and
we
would
like
to
exercise
that.
But
I
did
not
get
the
list
of
addresses.
I
had
to
foia
the
list
of
addresses
from
the
city,
even
though
they
used
that
list
to
send
out
postcards.
I
requested
it
on
june
10th
and
I
did
not
get
it
until
middle
of
the
day.
W
On
june
17th,
the
city
clerk's
office
did
set
up
an
online
petition
for
people
to
sign
and
they
shut
it
down
today,
even
though
the
city
code
says
that
the
the
petition
has
to
be
filed
by
before
the
close
of
the
land
use
commission
hearing,
so
we
haven't
had
adequate
time
to
get
people
to
sign
the
petition
to
know
that,
there's
a
petition
out
there
to
sign
and
there's
also
like
half
of
the
properties
in
our
area
in
that
500
feet,
are
within
a
like
a
condo
complex
and
so
it's
kind
of
hard
to
get
in
there
and
get
to
the
hoa.
A
A
Okay,
the
petition
that
this
that
the
city
clerk
set
up
that
you've
mentioned
we've
received
it,
but
that
that
doesn't
apply
to
what
we
do
here.
W
Right
but
the
the
code
says
it
has
to
be
filed
before
the
end
of
this
hearing.
So
that's
why
this
hearing
is
important.
A
Right,
that's
correct,
yeah,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
just
to
sit
down
for
a
moment.
While
we
discuss
the
continuance
and
figure
out
what
we
want
to
do
and
then,
like
I
said,
if
we
grant
the
continuance,
you
can
come
back
at
the
next
meeting
and
speak
if
it's.
If
we
don't
grant
the
continuance,
then
I'll
ask
you
for
your
statement
this
evening.
Okay,
all
right.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
So
we've
got
a
request
for
a
continuance
from
somebody
who
does
live
within
the
designated
area
and
she
has
stated
the
reason
for
her
continuance
request.
G
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
A
couple
things
one
is
on
the
continuance.
This
is
one
subject
that
we've
we've
not
not
addressed
officially,
but
it
was
in
our
packet
and
then
it
was
continued
from
a
month
ago
or
something
like
that.
So
we
all
we
were
familiar
with
it
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
us
have
visited
the
intersection
in
this
area,
but
and
then
there
are
also
multiple,
multiple
letters
included
in
our
packets.
G
So
I
feel
like
I
have
a
understanding
of
where
the
neighborhood
is
at
on
this
I'll.
Come
back
to
that
I
am
a
east
central
street
resident
and-
and
you
know
I
made
the
comment
earlier-
that
this
this
is
so
this
area
is
so
different
than
the
rest
of
central
street
and
it
is-
and
I
I
appreciate
mr
smith's
comment
because
he
gave
me
some
history
on
this,
which
I
didn't
have
before,
and
so
that's
that
was
very
helpful.
I
I
agree
that
that
this
area
is
a
mess.
G
I
I
think
from
a
traffic
standpoint,
it's
a
mess
and
I
I
drive.
I
drive
west
on
central
through
the
intersection
to
go
on
gross
point
road
to
the
south
every
single
day
and
everything's
everything
screwed
up
about
it,
and
I,
and
unless
you,
unless
you
go
at
in
the
you
know
these
peak
times,
you
really
don't
understand
the
mess.
So
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
improved
here.
G
I
also
believe
that
this
is
a
and
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
issues
here
and
and
a
lot
of
them
are
downtown
and
for
frankly,
my
my
attitude
is
downtown
is
for
everybody,
but
neighbor
neighborhood
issues
are
for
the
neighbors,
and
I
I
think
this
falls
even
though
there's
a
major
public
street
going
through
here.
I
think
this
is
a
neighborhood
issue,
and
so
I,
my
personal
feeling,
is
that
we
should
listen
to
the
neighbors,
and
you
know
when
I
read
when
I
read
read
all
the
literature
that
we
got.
G
I
my
question
was
why
why
change
and
the
staff
has
explained
why
they
would
change,
but
all
the
neighbors
speaking
tonight
have
explained.
Why
not-
and
I
just
believe
I
personally
side
with
the
neighbors
and
that
would
be-
I
just
want
to
get
that
opinion
out
in
case
I'm
not
here
when
we
if
we
extend
this
but
as
far
as
the
extension
and
I'm
talking
too
much.
G
But
as
far
as
the
extension
goes,
I
I
feel
like
if,
if
the,
if
the
the
sign
up
that
this
the
woman
that
spoke,
is
that,
if
that's
an
issue
for
city
council,
then
I
would
not
grant
the
extension
because,
like
I
said,
we've
heard,
we've
heard
lots
of
arguments
tonight
and
we
heard
them
previously.
A
A
Can't
collect
signatures
and
it
will
require
a
super
majority
of
council
to
vote.
I
see
so
that's
that's
where
this
is
coming
into
play.
I
see
so
yep
we're
aware
so
other
thoughts
from
other
commissioners.
L
L
J
J
C
A
A
A
A
I
will
call
it
a
petition
only
because
that's
what
we're
using
in
the
vernacular
for
for
it
being
it's
been
up
for
several
months.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
staff
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
and
so
they've
had
an
opportunity
to
collect
signatures.
A
It's
been,
I'm
speaking.
Thank
you
because
it
was.
It
was
presented
to
me
when
this
case
was
going
to
come
to
us
the
first
time,
which
was
at
least
a
couple
months
ago.
I
want
to
say
I
may
be
wrong.
It
may
have
been
a
month
and
a
half,
but
it's
been
a
while.
You
know,
I
think
the
rules
are
there.
Everybody
has
access
to
the
rules.
They're
they're
aware
that
they
needed
to
meet
the
super
majority.
A
A
C
How
do
you
feel
about
the
the
ability
to
get
those
addresses
in
time
I
mean.
A
Typically,
typically,
the
way
signatures
have
always
worked
like
if
you
run
for
elected
office,
things
like
that,
as
you
walk
the
streets,
you,
you
sort
of,
know
the
neighborhood
and
and
who
you
have
to
go
to
be,
putting
something
up,
that
the
city
clerk,
which
first
off
the
city
clerk,
has
put
up
a
petition
which
is
strictly
an
opposition
to
this
particular
project.
It's
not
an
open
petition.
I
think
that
that
is
a
fault
on
the
city
clerk.
A
Legal
signatures,
we
received
from
city
staff
today,
city
staff
having
gone
through
and
sort
of
making
a
determination
like
this,
as
we
believe,
is
a
legal
person
who
lives
within
the
500
feet
who
lives.
You
know
that
that
owns
property
in
that
space.
Everything
else,
I'm
sorry,
so
I
mean
I
like.
I
said,
I'm
I'm
not
in
favor
of
granting
a
a
continuance
strictly
to
to
collect
additional
signatures
to
trigger
a
super
majority.
When
this
has
been
in
the
public
for
quite
a
while.
A
A
So,
there's
a
motion
to
grant
a
continuance
for
the
map,
amendment
22
plnd0038
for
crawford
avenue
and
gross
point
road.
We
have
to
continue
to
a
specific
date.
What
does
our?
What
does
our
agenda
look
like
for
our
next
few
meetings.
P
Our
next
meeting
is
on
july
13th
and
we
have
two
agenda
items,
one
that
is
a
planned
development
that
will
be
somewhat
long
and
the
other
is
the
return
of
the
billboards
text.
Amendment.
A
So
is
there
a
second
for
a
motion
to
continue
this
matter
to
our
meeting
on
july
13th
I'll.
A
C
L
X
I
A
No,
so
by
a
six
to
two
vote,
the
continuance
is
granted,
and
so
I
will
not
ask
for
your
testimony
this
evening,
ms
lutz,
and
we
will
continue
this
to
the
13th.
There
will
be
no
additional
noticing
of
this
case
in
any
way,
since
this
announcement
that
I
am
making
currently
is
the
public
notice,
so
you
will
not
receive
a
new
postcard
or
anything
like
that.
Any
commissioner
have
anything
else
they
want
to
add
on
this
before
we
move
on,
can.
G
We
limit
that
presentation
to
just
the
signatures
or
or
well
it's
limited.
Somehow
we
don't
have
to
go
through
all
of
it.
A
So
everyone
has
spoken
tonight
has
kind
of
spoken
on
the
matter.
Okay,
so
miss
lutz
was
the
one
who
had
requested
wanted
to
request
a
continuance.
So
that's
why
I
asked
her
to
speak
last.
A
So
she
will
be
allowed
to
speak.
The
people
who
have
spoken
tonight
have
already
spoken
on
the
matter
and
we'll
we'll
deal
with
it
at
that
particular
time,
and
that
will
be
on
july
13th
here
in
city,
council
chambers,
you're
all
invited
back
for
that
all
right.
Yes,.
A
So
this
is,
this
is
a
proposal
that
actually
staff
did
not
come
up
with.
I
mean
staff
came
up
with
it,
but
at
the
direction
of
councilman
sufferden,
and
so
they
are
fulfilling
their
duty
to
answer
his
request.
P
A
A
We
we
can't
really
vary
a
lot
from
things
once
they're
noticed,
because
we
have
to
stick
pretty
pretty
close
to
that
script.
Yes,
ma'am.
A
Yes,
so
so,
yes,
so
you'll
be
able
to
submit
anything,
our
record
is
still
open,
so
you'll
be
able
to
participate
on
that
in
terms
of
what
the
city
clerk
does
that's
her
purview.
I
have
no
say
over
what
the
city
clerk
does.
A
It
always
goes
to
city
council
we're
a
recommending
body
on
this.
Only
so
whatever
we
decide
is
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
they
can
follow
what
we
decide.
They
can
go
in
a
totally
different
direction.
They
can
take
half
and
half
they.
They
may
city
council
is
able
to
say
we're
going
to
take
sarki's
and
we're
going
to
do
this
with
them
and
ignore
the
rest
of
it.
So
so
that's
something
they
can
do
that.
We
can't
do.
A
Like
I
said
that
that
yeah,
that
doesn't
I
that
petition
doesn't
mean
much
to
me,
it
means
more
to
city
council.
So
thank
you.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
our
last
item
agenda,
which
is
3434
central
street,
the
kensington
school,
a
planned
development,
22
plnd00212.
K
Rogers,
I
have
a
point
of
order.
Yep,
the
application
does
not
comply
with
evanston
ordinances.
I'd
like
to
briefly
speak
to
this
point
of
order.
Pursuant
to
robert.
A
Y
The
applicant
applies
for
a
special
use
for
plan
development
and
special
use
to
demolish
the
existing
church
and
other
site
improvements
and
to
construct
a
new
two-story
22
416
square
foot,
building
for
a
child
daycare
center
kensington
school,
the
following
site.
Development
allowances
are
needed
off
street
parking
located
within
the
front
yard,
where
parking
is
not
permitted
off
street
parking
located
within
the
south
interior
side
yard,
where
parking
is
not
permitted,
detached
accessory
use.
K
Thank
you,
chair
rogers.
My
name
is
brian
mahoney,
I'm
here
as
the
executor
of
the
estate
of
catherine
mahoney,
who
owns
two
properties
within
the
500
foot
radius
of
this
proposed
special
use.
I
have
indicated
to
staff,
including
the
law
department,
at
least
two
bases
by
which
the
application
is
deficient,
and
this
matter
should
not
proceed.
K
The
first
one
is
that,
on
the
application
form
under
a
page
entitled
special
use
information,
it
says
quote
all
persons
or
parties
which
have
an
ownership
interest
in
the
affected
properties,
must
be
identified
and
must
sign
the
application
period.
Close
quote
the
residence
of
first
williamsburg
and
my
sister's
address
is
2538
gross
point.
Road
all
have
easement
rights.
Therefore
they
are
persons
who
have
ownership
interests.
They
were
not
identified
in
the
petition
or
the
application
and
did
not
sign
it
on
that
ground.
It
is
invalid.
K
K
K
To
initiate
a
petition
or
an
application,
the
person
must
be
the
owner,
and
here
the
applicant
is
undisputed-
is
not
the
owner
alessi.
Here
it's
undisputed
he's,
not
a
lessee
or
have
another
legal
or
equal
interest
in
the
subject
property
the
applicant
is
but
a
party
to
an
executory
real
estate
contract.
He
does
not
have
legal
interest
in
the
subject
property.
K
He
only
has
contractual
rights
at
this
point.
The
contract,
his
executory
meaning,
has
not
been
finalized.
He
does
not
have
title.
He
does
not
pay
property
taxes,
he
does
not
have
a
legal
interest,
nor
does
he
have
an
equitable
interest
again.
That
would
be
like
we
have,
such
as
an
easement,
the
right
to
a
partition
or
other
remedy.
That's
not
provided
in
law
or
pursuant
to
a
contract
or
tort,
but
instead
would
be
enforced
by
the
operation
of
the
equitable
powers
of
a
court.
So
it's
invalid
on
that
second
and
independent
ground,
then.
K
Third,
that's
why
the
application
is
deficient
in
this
hearing
cannot
proceed.
In
addition,
the
mailing
notices
pursuant
to
ordinance
six
dash
three
dash
five
5-7
subsection
c,
require
that
all
persons
within
the
500-foot
radius,
whose
addresses
appear
on
the
assessment
list,
need
to
get
notice.
There
is
no
notes
provided
to
my
sister's
properties
and
on
information
and
belief.
There
are
other
parties
here
who
also
are
within
that
radius,
who
did
not
receive
a
mailing
so
therefore,
6-3-5-7-c
was
also
violated
on
that
grounds.
This
hearing
cannot
proceed.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
rogers.
K
A
Mr
mahoney,
obviously
there
are
some
challenges
here
that
go
beyond
what
we
as
planners
and
and
the
the
ilk
be
so
I'm
gonna
ask
mr
george
to
please
respond
on
behalf
of
the
city
to
those
three
specific
points
that
were
raised.
J
Sure,
as
far
as
it
being
noah
the
six
three
five
four,
we,
the
department
has
determined
that
the
applicant
does
have
an
equitable
interest.
I
think
they
are
a
contract
purchaser
and
have
made
sufficient
expenditures
in
furtherance
of
this
application
and
that's
sufficient
to
have
an
interest
or
a
net
to
be
a
proper
applicant.
J
As
far
as
the
first
point
that
he
made
the
city,
only
the
city
code
only
requires
that
the
property
owner
be
the
one
that's
on
the
application,
so
we
think
that's
fine
and
as
far
as
the
noticing
requirement,
I
believe
that
the
city
code
does
say
that
the
failure
of
the
delivery
of
a
male
notice
does
not
invalidate
a
hearing.
So.
A
And
that
the
applicant
is
fully
vested
and
able
to
do
what
they're
asking
to
do.
A
Yes,
to
apply,
I'm
sorry
all
right
so
with
that
the
the
application
will
move
forward.
So
I
will
ask
and
mr
mahoney
I
will
allow
you
to
speak
when
we
get
to
the
public's
pub
citizen
comments
section.
So
with
that,
though,.
A
R
Thanks
very
much
good
evening,
my
name
is
chuck
marliss,
I'm
one
of
the
owners
of
kensington
school
can't
tell
you
how
happy
I
am
to
be
presenting
this
to
you
all
this
evening.
Some
of
you
may
recall.
I
last
appeared
back
in
march
of
2021
virtually
for
a
different
application
in
in
evanston.
It
was
a
bit
interesting,
so
I'm
glad
to
be
here
in
person.
R
R
So
I'd
like
to
take
just
a
few
minutes
to
talk
about
a
little
history
of
kensington
school.
R
Why
we've
chosen
this
site
a
little
bit
talk
about
our
program
and
then
I'll
hand
off
a
little
bit
more
of
the
presentation
to
my
consultants
that
I'm
here
with
this
evening,
they're
lance
lauderdale
who's,
my
architect
and
general
contractor
I've
got
michael
worthman
here
from
kloa
he's
our
traffic
consultant
and
I've
got
jim
kapustiak
here
from
spaceco
he's
our
civil
engineer.
R
R
My
mother,
barbara
marliss,
is
81
years
old,
still
active
in
the
business,
unfortunately
couldn't
be
here
this
evening.
You
know:
we've
really
thought
good
and
hard
about
why
we
want
to
come
to
evanston.
We
really
feel
strongly
about
the
community
of
evanston
and
and
all
the
all
the
fine
families
that
are
here,
and
we
really
can't
wait
to
serve
them.
We've
got
12
or
13
other
locations
around
the
chicago
suburbs,
glenview
building
being
the
closest
and
we're
currently
planning
on
building
a
few
locations
in
the
city
of
chicago.
R
For
this
location,
we've
had
one
community
meeting
and
two
dapper
meetings
and
I'll
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
brief
history
about
the
first
dapper
meeting,
our
first
proposal.
R
I
heard
a
woman
earlier
talk
about
the
number
of
you
know:
exemptions,
we're
looking
for
to
the
zoning
code
and
our
first
application
that
we
brought
to
to
planning
and
to
dapper
was
virtually
code
compliant.
It
you
know
had
a.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
what
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
any
adapter
meetings
prior
to
this,
but
co-compliant
the
sense
that
you
know
we
had
the
parking
lot
in
the
rear
in
the
west
side
of
the
property
in
the
rear.
R
One
of
the
gentlemen
that
objected
showed
up
at
a
community
meeting
we
had
about
a
month
later.
He
asked
me
a
really
interesting
point.
He
said
well,
if
you
could
design
kensington
school
on
this
property
in
a
way
that
kind
of
disregarded
the
zoning
ordinance
but
would
best
suit
kensington
and
best
suit
the
families
and
best
suit
your
purposes.
What
would
it
look
like?
One
of
their
main
concerns
with
the
original
plan
was
that
the
full
access
for
the
school
was
on
central
and
they
were
really
concerned
about.
R
You
know
further
south,
and
I
understood
that-
and
I
came
up
with
an
alternate
opinion-
an
alternate
design,
which
is
the
design
that
we're
presenting
here
this
evening,
which
is
less
code
compliant,
but
we
feel
is
more
beneficial
to
our
families,
more
beneficial
to
the
children
and
more
beneficial
to
the
neighborhood
as
a
whole,
whereby
we
are
asking
for
access
on
girls,
point
full
access
or
right
out
only
on
to
central
and
rather
than
having
a
playground
on
the
hard
corner,
putting
parking
on
the
hard
corner
and
protecting
the
playground
on
the
west
side
of
the
property,
the
rear
of
the
property
up
against
the
residential
neighborhood.
R
So
you
know,
we've
eliminated
the
traffic
on
central
or
much
of
the
traffic.
It's
only
a
ride
out
right
now
and
much
of
the
disturbance
of
a
parking
lot
up
against
a
residential,
a
specific
residence
and
and
more
residential
communities.
So
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
we
look
for
that
you
know
in
in
presenting
and
creating
a
location
for
one
of
our
schools.
You
know
we're
looking
for
a
large
piece
of
land
and,
as
you
all
know,
it's
really
difficult
in
evanston.
It's
a
very
it's.
R
A
very
tight
community,
but
open
green
space
is
really
important
to
us
important
for
our
kids
to
be
able
to
play
in.
You
know
important
for
the
environment
and
parking
and
is
also
you
know
one
of
our
main
concerns,
and
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
the
correct
amount
of
parking
and
that
we're
code
compliant
on
parking
which
our
last
application
that
we
were
going
for
for
a
different
location
was
code
compliant
and
parking.
And
so
is
this
one.
So
you
know.
R
And
with
regard
to
you
know
the
community
and
the
need
for
child
care,
you
know,
prior
to
the
prior,
the
pandemic.
There
was
already
a
need
for
child
care,
a
substantial
one
within
the
three
mile
radius.
R
There
are
seven
thousand
children
under
the
age
of
four
four
and
under
and
there's
only
fifteen
hundred
spaces
for
for
child
care
for
community
based
child
care.
So
it's
roughly
twenty
percent
and
what
we've
known
you
know
since
the
pandemic
began,
is
just
how
vital
child
care
is
for
working
families
and
mothers
in
in
particular.
R
The
pandemic
has
really
disproportionately
hurt.
Women
and
child
care
really
is
very,
very
important,
but
you
know
kensington
really
isn't
just
a
child.
Is
it
a
day
care?
It's?
It's
really
is
truly
early
childhood
education
and
it
starts
at
infant.
It
goes
through
five
and
all
the
curriculum
that
those
five-year-olds
are
enjoying
in
the
kindergarten
pre-kindergarten
class
is
coming
all
the
way
down
to
to
the
infants
and
the
toddlers.
R
So
I
can
go
through
more
about
our
program.
More
about
our
plan.
I
can
turn
over
some
of
the
consultants
who
can
talk
with
more
granularity
about
traffic,
about
engineering
about
architecture.
I
know
you've
got
some
questions
about.
You
know
the
building
materials
we've
brought
some
building
materials
with
us
here
tonight.
I
could
answer
questions
or.
A
G
Commissioner,
haleck
yeah
I've
got
a
question.
Could
there
you,
you
said:
there's
165
potential
students
roughly.
R
G
So
if
you
take
the
worst
case
and
the
each
student
is
in
one
one-
student
per
family,
one
student
per
car-
yeah-
that's
165
cars
right,
so
how
at
the
peak
times
for
drop-off
and
pickup,
how
do
you
accommodate
165
cars
in
this
site
plan
so.
R
I'll
give
you
a
really
high
level
and
then
michael
worth
and
from
kayla
was
here,
and
he
can
probably
give
you
a
better,
a
more
granular
indication,
so
the
way
that
our
traffic
works
for
all
of
our
locations
and
all
of
our
schools
is
not.
This
is
not
a
traditional
preschool
where
you've
got
the
car
pattern
and
there's
a
set
time
for
drop
off
in
the
morning
and
a
set
time
for
pickup
in
the
afternoon
or
the
evening.
This
is
a
rolling
drop
off
and
it's
a
rolling
pickup.
R
So
our
hours
of
operation
are
6,
30
a.m,
to
6,
30
p.m,
and
what
we
see
in
all
of
our
other
locations,
glenview
arlington
heights-
all
the
way
out
to
naperville
st
charles-
is
that
the
drop-off
happens
slowly
but
kind
of
consistently
over
a
four-hour
window
in
the
morning
from
about
6
30
in
the
morning
until
about
10
o'clock
in
the
morning.
So
for
roughly
four
hours
and
then
and
then,
conversely,
in
the
backside-
maybe
maybe
call
it.
R
Three
michael's
got
more
of
the
hard
day
that
we
have
from
other
traffic
studies
that
we've
done
other
schools
and
then,
in
the
evening
hours
pick
up
begins
around
3
30
in
the
afternoon
and
ends
at
6
30
when
we
close.
So
if
you
do
have
a
scenario
where
the
school
is
at
capacity
and
all
children
attend
and
all
children
are
brought
by
via
one
vehicle
that
would
be
160
or
so
vehicles
coming
in
over
three
or
so
hours
in
the
morning
and
then
pick
up
over
three
or
so
hours
in
the
afternoon.
R
M
R
It
it
really,
I
you
know:
we've
got
32
years
of
experience,
doing
this
at
12
13
locations
around
the
chicago
suburbs
we've.
You
know,
and
I
can
honestly
tell
you
that
in
many
of
our
locations
that
have
the
same
number
of
children,
we
have
less
parking
spaces.
R
R
They're
also
coming
and
going
during
the
day.
So
in
the
morning
you
know
as
your
as
your
as
your
program
as
a
number
of
children
build
so
to
the
number
of
staff
members
and
in
the
evening
and
then
and
then
evening.
As
your
your
you
know,
attendance
reduces
staff.
Members
are
leaving.
So
it's
not
like
you
know
at
6
30
a.m.
All
24
staff
members
get
there
to
stand
around
to
wait
for
child
number
one
through
five
to
show
up.
G
G
When
you're
going
west
on
central-
and
you
turn
on
to
onto
gross
point
central-
has
two
lanes
and
everyone's
going
to
the
expressway
so
right
at
the
point
where
it
seems
like
where
you
have
this
entrance,
this
main
entrance
is
where
these
cars
converge,
because
they
all
want
to
get
in
the
right
lane,
so
they
can
turn
it's
kind
of
dangerous
has
been
pointed
out.
G
It's
a
dangerous
area,
and
I
just
think
I'm
concerned
that,
given
what
I'm,
the
the
drop-off
and
pickup
issue,
that
that
location
is
just
going
to
really
really
cause
a
problem,
I.
R
Can
appreciate
your
perspective,
I'd
have
to
say,
unless
you've
actually
been
to
one
of
our
schools
and
experienced
drop-off
or
pickup,
or
looked
at
one
of
our
traffic
studies
to
see
what
the
actual
traffic
counts
are
that
come
in
and
out.
I
don't
know
if
you
could.
Actually
I
mean
it's
a
supposition
that
I
don't
know
if
you
could.
G
Comment,
I
I've
never
been
to
one
of
your
schools,
but
I
do
drop.
I
do
pick
up
and
drop
off
grandkids
at
another
school
and
I
can
tell
you
what
happens.
Okay,
everybody
gets
there
at
the
same
in
advance
of
the
time
when
you're
supposed
to
pick
up
and
the
cars
are
not
only
wrapped
around
the
parking
lot,
but
they
go
out
into
what
is
a
major
street
because
they
can't
all
fit
into
the.
J
R
I
don't
know
so
this
this
prop.
This
project
is
properly.
You
know
prop.
You
know
from
a
parking
perspective,
we
do
meet
the
requirement
of
34
spaces,
so
actually
I
think
we
have
35.,
so
that
is
the
code
comply
that
that
that
part
of
this
plan
is
code
compliant.
So
we
do
have
the
appropriate
number
of
parking
spaces,
as
asked
by
the
city
of
evanston.
R
So
there
is,
there
is
no
line,
so
parents
will
parents
don't
line
up
to
drop
to
drop
off
they'll
park,
their
car
they'll
go
in
for
a
few
minutes,
they'll
drop
off
their
child
and
they'll
pick
up.
So,
for
example,
you
know-
and
I-
and
I
mentioned
this
at
our
at
the
last
meeting-
that
we
had
for
the
other
location,
because
it
was
equally
as
parked,
but
also
you
know
just
as
dense
on
hurt
street.
R
We
have
a
location
in
lagrange
that
is
licensed
for
200
children
on
lagrange
road,
nogdan
avenue,
and
I
don't
know
how
often
you
get
out
to
lagrange
and
you've
if
you've
been
out
there
before,
we
have
nine
parking
spaces
in
the
parking
lot
and
we
have
parking
on
the
street
and
the
hours
of
operation
are
the
same
and
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
parking
parents
pull
up,
I
mean
michael,
do
you
have
any
thing
to
share?
AB
Hi
michael
worthman,
with
kloa,
we
performed
the
traffic
study
and
the
for
the
proposed
development.
I
think
a
couple
points
that
chuck
made
is
the
fact
that
this
is
not
like
your
typical
day
care.
It
is
a
rolling
pickup
and
drop-off.
There
is
not
a
fixed
set
time.
AB
People
come
over
two
and
a
half
three-hour
period,
like
chuck
said,
he's
got
probably
12
or
13
of
these
schools.
We've
worked
on,
probably
half
of
them.
We've
done
surveys
of
the
existing
facilities,
as
we
show
in
the
study
the
peak
demand
in
any
one
hour
with
60
vehicles
coming
in
and
60
vehicles
coming
out,
dropping
off.
AB
AB
and
you
look
at
five
minute
increments,
there's
12
of
those
in
an
hour,
so
you
know
we
have
parking
for
upwards
of
a
120
130
drop
off
and
pick
up
you're
right,
sir.
There
is
going
to
be
some
hours
where
it's
higher
than
others,
but
this
is
spread
out
over
two
and
a
half
three
hour
period.
Some
people
are
catching
the
train
at
seven
o'clock.
Some
people
are
catching
the
train
at
eight
o'clock.
Some
people
are
catching
the
train
at
nine
o'clock.
AB
That's
why
there's
all
these
different
train
times
leaving
from
here
some
people
work
further
in
the
suburbs,
so
they
need
to
leave
earlier.
It
depends
on
shift
times,
but
we've
worked
on
a
lot
of
schools
and
the
issue
becomes
the
fixed
start
and
end
times
of
the
school,
and
they
do
not
have
this
here,
like
chuck
said,
34
spaces
is
typical
of
all
of
his
schools,
maybe
even
more
more
importantly,
we
are
meeting
the
city's
code
when
it
comes
to
the
amount
of
parking
so
we're
pretty
comfortable
in
the
parking.
AB
I
would
suggest
that
there's
a
school
in
glenview,
that's
very
similar.
All
of
the
schools.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
long
wrong
are
pretty
much
designed.
The
same
chuck
has
a
formula
here,
so
we
don't
see
a
problem
with
the
parking
and
the
pickup
and
drop
off.
More
importantly,
we've
gone
through
staff.
We've
gone
through
dapper.
All
of
them
agree
with
the
parking
demand
at
this
point.
AB
L
So
it's
again
about
parking.
Obviously
this
will
be
a
hot
topic
is
in
your
experience,.
R
Yeah
definitely
and
I'll
tell
you
why
so
a
drop-off
lane,
you
typically
see
happen
when
you
have
a
static
once
one
static
drop
off
time
or
one
static,
pickup
time.
So,
for
example,
if
you're
a
preschool
program
at
a
community
center
or
local
church
preschool
may
start
at
9
00
a.m
and
you'll
have
teachers
that
maybe
come
out
and
they'll
greet
parents
and
everybody's
trying
to
get
there
at
9
00
a.m.
Similarly,
you
know
it's
very
similar
to
willard
elementary
that's
starting
at
8
o'clock
or
8,
30
or
9
o'clock.
In
the
morning.
R
There
is
a
mad
rush
for
everyone
to
descend
on
that
property
all
at
the
same
exact
time
or
within
five
minutes
to
try
and
get
there
and
then,
when
you've
got
inclement
weather
snow
rain.
What
have
you
that
just
exacerbates
the
issue?
So
we've
made
it
very.
You
know
30,
40
years
ago,
we
used
to
do
it
that
way
as
well.
We
used
to
do
a
static
drop-off
time
and
a
static
pickup
time
over
the
course
of
our
history
with
our
business
and
our
career.
R
R
L
V
R
So
practically
practically
so
you'd
go
in
and
as
a
parent,
you
would
sign
your
child
out
through
a
digital
keypad
that
we
have
by
the
front
door.
You'd
have
a
key
fob
as
a
parent
or
guardian.
That
would
let
you
into
the
building
and
you'd
go
into
the
building
and
and
go
to
your
child's
classroom
and
pick
he
or
she
up.
R
L
My
final
question
is
the
two-way
lanes
by
all
the
parking
spaces.
The
best
way
for
you
to
let's
say:
have
the
parents
come
in
and
come
out?
Isn't
it
better
to
have
one-way
traffic
all
around.
R
L
My
question
was
more
like
the
inside
your
yard
traffic,
because
you
are
showing
two-way
traffic,
and
this
is
to
your
traffic
consultant.
My
point
is
that
somebody
will
be
on
a
parking
and
trying
to
back
out,
and
then
somebody
will
be
on
the
other
side
and
not
always
the
visibility
is
okay.
Once
again,
practical
questions.
AB
Excellent
question:
if
it
was
a
pickup
drop-off
scenario,
we
would
probably
recommend
a
one-way
circulation
since
people
are
pulling
in
and
parking,
we
prefer
to
have
the
flexibility,
because
there's
not
going
to
be
anyone
lining
up
against
the
curve,
the
flexibility
to
come
in
or
out
and
to
get
to
either
access
drive
without
having
to
circulate
all
the
way
around
to
get
to
those
access
drives.
AB
So
the
need
for
the
one-way
is
not
required
for
this
site,
given
the
way
the
school
is
run
and
that
you
have
this
pickup
and
drop
off
over
a
two
and
a
half
hour
period
as
opposed
to
a
15
minute
period.
So
we
feel
the
two-way
is
much
better.
It
provides
that
flexibility,
so
you
can
get
to
either
drive
and
you
can
get
in
and
out
that
much
quicker.
D
Me
while
you're
up
there,
I
have
oh,
please
I
have
a
question
about
the
idot
permits
for
the
curb
cut.
What's
the
status
of
of
that,
and
do
you
foresee
any
issues.
AB
So
we're
working
with
idot
right
now,
it's
the
opinion
of
your
staff
and
your
engineers
that
we
get
the
access.
They
prefer,
the
full
access
onto
gross
point
and
the
right
out
onto
central
only
right
now,
idot
his
initial
response
was
maybe
just
to
write
in
right
out
on
gross
point.
AB
We
have
conversations
with
them,
we're
still
working
with
them
through
your
staff
and
for
your
engineering
staff,
and
we
haven't
come
to
a
conclusion
there.
But
it's
everyone
on
our
side
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
staff,
but
we've
had
several
conversations
and
it's
the
cities.
I
guess
it's
in
your
staff
report.
They
prefer
the
full
access
on
gross
points,
so
we're
working
towards
trying
to
get
that
full
access
on
the
gross
point.
What.
AB
If
they
don't
grant
the
full
access,
we
have
several
different
alternatives.
If
it's
right
in
right
out,
we
would
look
to
get
a
right
out
left
in
on
central.
Only
so,
instead
of
making
your
left
at
gross
point
into
the
drive,
you
would
go
up
to
central,
go
up
a
couple
hundred
feet
and
make
a
left
into
the
parking
lot
at
that
location.
AB
C
Of
any
of
these
and
sorry
about
that,
obviously,
the
work
of
the
school
is
important,
but
this
is
the
these
are
the
things
that
can
drive
the
neighbors
crazy.
C
I
I
can
understand
why
you
would
put
the
parking
lot
up
front.
That
makes
sense,
however,.
R
Yes,
it
well,
let
me
answer
this
way.
First,
I
don't
recall
if
it
did.
I
believe
that
when
we
did
have
that
original
plan,
it
was
also
parking
a
lot
for
parking
for
34
cars
and
the
playground
out
in
the
corner.
I
think
what
happened,
though,
is
we
weren't
able
to
get
the
the
access
out
under
gross
point?
R
So
this
was
a
alternative
plan
to
you
know
kind
of
really
hear
what
the
neighbors
on
central
and
the
in
the
the
vast
majority
of
neighbors
on
central
and
the
other
two,
the
other
two
roads,
where
I
think
I
once
princeton,
I
can't
recall
the
other,
the
other
one,
but
their
main
concern
was
was
outbound.
Traffic
left
turn
out
traffic
onto
central
to
kind
of
avoid
that
light
and
scoot
around.
So
you
know
whatever
we
end
up
doing
here.
R
If
we
have
parcel,
you
know
partial
right
in
right
out
on
on
gross
point
we
we'd
like
to
have,
you
know
right
out,
left
in
on
central
because
it
at
any
cost.
We
don't
want
there
to
be
left
out
on
central.
So
that's
really
the
big.
That's
really
the
big
impetus
for
this
plan
here
is
to
prevent
any
left
outs
onto
central.
C
C
This
site
does
not
allow
for
that.
So
understanding
that
I
think
my
concern
is
is,
as
everyone
has
said,
this
anybody
who
drives
evanston
knows
that
this
area
from
a
traffic
standpoint
is
difficult
to
say
the
least,
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
hear
what
idot
says.
C
R
So
first
I'll
address
the
the
glenview
location.
You
you've
picked
the
the
easiest,
the
the
in
the
biggest
property
we've
got
two
and
a
half
acres.
You
know
on
the
corner
of
lehigh
and
chestnut
with
that's
super
parked.
No,
actually
I
told
you
look
at
our
so
look
at
125,
north
kensington
avenue
in
in
lagrange,
and
if
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
a
17,
000
square
foot,
building
on
three
stories
with
the
license
capacity
of
200
with
125
north
kensington
avenue
in
lagrange.
R
Yeah
elmhurst
is
a
good
one.
Wheaton
is
a
better
is
wheaton
is
just
the
same
same
size,
building
as
their
glenview
school,
only
25
spaces,
and
that's
on
naperville
road
in
wheaton,
which
is
a
four
lane
similar
to
gross
point
state
road,
so
yeah,
the
the
concern
is,
you
know
from
a
high
level.
What
do
you
do
when
everybody
shows
up
at
once,
which
I
get
so
I
think
if
we,
you
know,
work
together
and
cross
that
bridge
we
get
to
it.
R
R
And
you
know:
we've
got
12
locations
that
we're
doing
this
at
right
now
and,
furthermore,
you
know
we're
going
into
the
city
of
chicago,
so
we're
currently
under
construction
on
2747,
north
lincoln
avenue,
which
is
just
north
of
wrightwood
south
of
diversity.
You
know
that's
right
on
that's
right
on
lincoln
avenue,
so
about
180.
190
students
will
be
there.
G
R
J
R
We've
been
asked
not
to
in
this
neighborhood
and
we
completely
abide
by
that,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
the
list
goes
on
and
on
I
mean.
G
O
I
have
a
question
so
if
you
or
do
you,
have
a
study
on
the
parent
drop-off
times,
meaning
how
many
on
an
average
do
you
have
at
six
a.m?
So
you
have
you
know:
twenty
percent
drops
off
at
six
a.m.
R
Same
thing
on
on
the
pickup:
yes,
we
do,
that
was
in
the
traffic
report,
the
traffic
study.
It
was
pardon
me,
okay,
they
just
showed
peak
hour,
but
it
was
discussed
during
dapper
and
by
the
city
engineers.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
more
data
that
we
could
that
we
could
share.
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
know
at
this
point,
but
from
a
from
a
peak
hour
perspective,
I
don't
know
how
many
I
think
we
said
60
60
over
the
peak
hour.
R
O
AB
The
sorry
we
did
look
at
the
traffic
in
the
area
we
looked
at
the
triangle
intersection
did
our
traffic
counts
out
there,
he
increased
them
to
get
them
to
be
pre-coveted
numbers.
As
we
all
know,
traffic
is
down
a
little
bit.
AB
AB
There
is
some
heavy
volumes,
depending
on
which
flow
you're
moving
in
the
morning,
but
there
is
sufficient
capacity
to
accommodate
the
additional
traffic
that
will
be
generated
by
the
school.
A
couple
unique
characteristics
about
the
school,
not
everyone
drives
alone.
There's
families
that
have
multiple
kids
there.
There
is
some
carpooling
there
is
absentees,
so
it's
not
all
one
car
one
child
which
helps
once
we.
AB
As
we
indicated,
the
volume
of
traffic
is
spread
out
over
two
and
a
half
three
hour
period
in
the
morning
and
in
the
afternoon,
unlike
other
commercial
developments,
this
school
closes
at
6,
30,
there's
no
traffic
generated
after
6
30
and
there's
no
traffic
generated
on
a
weekend.
So
it
is
a
good
neighbor
from
that
perspective
and
that
it's
only
generating
traffic
during
those
weekday
hours.
It's
not
like
a
commercial
development,
that's
open
until
nine
o'clock
and
it's
generating
traffic
on
the
weekends
or
a
multi-family
development.
That's
generating
traffic
all
day.
AB
There
is
a
condition
within
the
staff
report
that
if
issues
arise
on
central
with
the
traffic
coming
out
and
backups
and
so
forth,
that
the
developer
chuck
would
have
to
pay
for
the
retiming
of
the
triangle
intersection.
So
that's
up
to
the
city
if
they
observe
it.
If
they
think
that
some
timing
changes
need
to
be
there,
they'll
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
if
we
can
optimize
the
signal
timings
for
those
three
intersections
right
now.
AB
The
central
leg
approach
that
goes
out
onto
gross
point
has
a
pretty
low
volume
of
traffic,
we're
looking
to
add,
maybe
40
vehicles
in
an
hour.
That's
one
every
minute
and
a
half
two
minutes,
that's
an
additional
vehicle
on
average
one
or
two
vehicles
every
cycle
length.
So
it's
not
a
significant
volume
of
traffic
that
we're
adding
it
can
accommodate
that
traffic
and
once
again
the
driveway
will
be
signed,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
notice
there-
it's
actually
channelized,
so
we're
channelizing
that
traffic.
AB
So
it
makes
a
right
out
and
doesn't
go
down
the
neighborhood
and
it
will
be
appropriately
signed
and
chucked
in
inform
his
parents
as
to
the
rules
and
regulations,
pick
up
and
drop
off
and
how
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
proposed
facility.
I
I
just
like
to
weigh
in
and
say
that
I
I
have
a
I'm
a
parent
of
three
kids,
eleven
nine
five.
I
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
pick
up
and
drop
off
with
this
type
of
institution,
including
ten
years
in
lakeview,
where
there
literally
were
institutions
that
had
zero
parking
at
all
and-
and
this
seems
very
adequate
and
and
for
I
just
want
to
highlight
what
what
the
appliance
are
saying
that
the
rolling
style
of
this
kind
of
school
is
markedly
different
than
a
firm
kind
of
start
and
stop.
R
Furthermore,
if
I
could
add,
you
know
the
one
unique
thing
about
you
know:
a
school
like
this
is
that
our
families
are
are
with
us
all
year
long,
so
you
know
they're
we're
constantly
communicating
with
them
constantly
talking
to
them
and
if
issues
do
arise
as
it
relates
to
traffic,
as
it
relates
to
the
ins
and
outs
of
how
their
children
are
being
dropped
off
and
picked
up,
they
do
work
with
us
and
they
will
work
with
us.
This
is
not
like
a
starbucks
where
or
a
mcdonald's
or
something
where
you
know.
R
You
may
have
some
regulars
here
and
there,
but
it
is,
it's
still.
You
know
very
much
patrons
coming
and
going
as
they
please.
This
is
a
community
of
families
that
you
know
some
of
these
families
will
have.
You
know
with
multiple
siblings
10
years,
so
you
know
in
in
many
instances.
R
You
know
for
commissioner
westerberg
your
question
about
what
remedies
would
you
take?
You
know
we
would
definitely
want
to
have
a
dialogue
with
our
families
and
and
talk
to
the
talk
to
the
city
and
and
find
a
way
to
you
know
work
around
any.
You
know
navigate
any
problems
that
we
have
with
that.
Y
X
C
Kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
the
parking
lot
to
keep
an
eye
on
cars
that
are
exiting
onto
central
and
making
sure
that
they
do
turn
right.
Is
that
something
that
you
can
include
in
your
plans
it?
The
issue
to
me
is
not:
if
problems
arise,
we
know
problems
will
arise,
they're,
not
necessarily
unsolvable,
but.
R
V
R
I
mean
you
know
if,
if
we
have
to
write
that
there's
a
staff
member
present,
I
mean
we
will
have
a
receptionist
there
I
mean
she
will
be
inside.
I
mean
she
won't
be
standing
out
in
the
rain
of
the
snow.
You
know,
are
you
asking
for
someone
to
be
outside?
You
know,
as
as
cars
are
coming
and
going
over
a
three-hour
period
in
the
morning
and
a
three-hour
period
period
in
the
evening?
Do.
R
C
R
Definitely
yeah,
I
mean
yeah.
If,
as
I
said,
you
know,
I've
been
working
with
staff
for
three
years
plus
to
to
bring
a
kensington
school
to
evanston.
You
know
we
really,
you
know
we
have
our
hearts
set
on
it
and
you
know
whatever
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
handle
any
problems
that
should
arise.
C
C
B
R
D
Yes,
I
have
a
question
about
the
status
of
the
access
easement
to
the
co-op.
Okay,
you
know.
Presumably
I.
R
D
Don't
know
if
you
have
been
negotiated
a
a
new,
easement
or
and
and
the
question
then
becomes
right
now
they
can
make
a
right
or
left
off
of
central
out
of
the
parking
lot
correct
with
the
the
you
know,
the
parking
configuration
with
the
you
know
full
access
off
of
gross
point
road.
That
would
seem
to
make
sense,
but
if
I
dot
doesn't
grant
the
the
you
know.
P
J
D
R
Out
yeah
great
great
question,
so
you
know
this
has
been
a
long-standing
easement
that
they've
that
the
church
and
the
neighborhood
for
the
co-op
have
enjoyed
for
a
long
time,
something's
going
to
change
here
right,
so
the
church
is
not
going
to
be
there
forever.
Nor
will
that
parking
lot.
R
You
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
number
of
either
multi-family
building
with
multiple
homes
or
some
other
use,
maybe
similar
to
mine,
are
different
than
mine.
R
We've
been
making
some
attempts
to
contact
the
the
hoa
our
lawyers,
both
for
the
church
and
for
kensington,
have
been
reaching
out
to
them.
They've
in
kind
responded
that
they're
not
interested
in
really
discussing
this
with
us
right
now
that
this
is
a
plan
they
don't
approve
of
and
that
you
know
really.
No
further
discussion
is
needed.
As
you
know,
they
are
happy
with
the
easement
they
currently
enjoy
and
they
would
like
to
keep
that
easement
in
place
to
that
effect.
You
know:
should
we
get
full
access
out
onto
gross
point?
R
R
Well,
then
we'd
ask
city
staff
and
yourselves
if
we
could
get
a
right
out
left
in
on
central
again
giving
us
a
little
bit
more
access
on
central
to
the
light
and
from
the
light
without
having
any
of
our
patrons
go
left
on
central
and
to
the
same
effect.
R
Our
neighbors
would
also
enjoy
that
same
access,
so
we'd.
Let
them
go
through
our
lot,
just
as
they're
going
through
the
church.
Lot
right
now
under
central
they'd,
be
able
to
get
to
the
light
either
come
in
on
central
or
go
out
on
central
or
go
south
on
gross
point
or
come
in
from
the
north
on
gross
point
into
their
into
their
site
and
with
regard
to
parking,
we
haven't
changed
the
easement
size
of
the
of
their
parking
area
at
all
that
that
will
that
will
stay
the
same.
R
Y
The
only
information
that
that
staff
has
is
what
is
shown
on
the
survey
and
it
appears
based
on
the
language
that
the
easement
was
part
of
the
platinum
subdivision.
That
created
those
lots
whenever
that
occurred,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
easement
is.
But
there's
been
no
documents
beyond
what
the
survey
is
showing
that's
been
present.
But.
D
R
Otherwise
they
wouldn't
have
any,
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
they
have
access
out
onto
gross
point
and
or
central
I
mean
quite
simply,
we
know
they're
not
going
to
have
the
same
kind
of
access
out
in
the
central
that
they've
that
they've
had.
You
know
here
for
whether
it's
with
kensington
as
the
new
owner-
and
you
know,
occupier
of
this
property,
or
if
it's
a
you
know
any
of
the
you
know,
multi-unit
residential.
R
Well,
I
think
I
dot's
decision
will
have
to
come
first
and
then
we'll
have
to
hopefully
carry
out
a
dialogue.
That's
that's
you
know,
collaborative
and,
and
you
know
beneficial
to
both
parties
but,
like
I
said
you
know,
up
until
now,
we
haven't
had
any
they've.
R
To
try
and
work
with
us
which
really
puts
us
in
a
difficult
spot,
but
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
them
whenever
they'd
like
to.
C
Just
a
question:
excuse
me:
if
you
do
have
folks
from
the
co-op
driving
through
the
lot
to
get
out,
is
that
another
reason
why
you
might
need
to
consider
somebody
there
really
monitoring
traffic
at
the
peak
times?
I
realize
that
their
their
cars
may
go
through
at
different
times,
but
even
a
couple
of
extra
cars
going
through
at
peak
times
could
could
pose
some
problems
for
you.
R
You
know
we
could
again,
we
have
the
same
kind
of
situation.
Other
locations
are
arlington
heights
location.
We
we
share
a
parking
lot
with
a
with
a
little
strip,
mall
that
has
a
nail
salon
and
a
subway
and
a
little
diner,
and
we
don't
have
anybody
out
there.
You
know
I
I
would
think
more
for
children's
safety,
that
I
worry
about
sharing
the
lot,
but
I
realized
that
we
owe
the
you
know.
We
owe
the
co-op
access
right,
so
we
have
to
give
them
access.
R
This
plan
gives
them
access,
I'm
keeping
my
fingers
crossed
for
full
access
out
onto
out
under
gross
point.
You
know
perhaps
they'd
end
up
using
that
right
out
on
the
central
a
little
bit
less
but
again,
this
is
you
know
further
dialogue
that
we
have
to
have
with
them
and
to
your
point,
you
know
yeah.
If
we,
if
we,
if
we
see
a
need,
a
rise
where
we
have
to
put
somebody
out
in
the
parking
lot
and
kind
of
you
know
just
wave
a
couple.
R
Other
drivers
from
the
co-op
along
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
If
we
see
that
we
see
there's
a
problem,
there.
D
Just
just
one
I
you
know
there
are
the
trees
along
the
west
property
line
that
staff
has
suggested.
You
know
access
needs
to
be
maintained
so
that
the
trees
can
be
maintained,
your
fence,
how
close
to
those
trees,
you
know,
would
you
consider
you
know,
pulling
your
your
fence
a
little
bit
further
to
the
east
in
order
to
provide
access?
Are
you
looking
at
having
the
fence
right
up
against
the
trees?
Well,.
R
R
R
So
again,
you
know
happy
to
work
with
the
neighbor
in
any
way,
as
you
know,
if,
if
they
need
to
come
into
our
yard
with
any
ladders
or
any
cherry
pickers
or
anything
like
that
to
to
work
on
those
trees
or
you
know,
quite
frankly,
we
could
do.
We
could
work
on
them
for
on
on
his
behalf,
when
we're
doing
any
of
our
maintenance
in
our
on
our
property.
J
C
C
I
think,
the
back
transition
strip,
10
foot,
understanding
that
you
want
to
maintain
as
much
green
space
for
the
kids.
It's
also,
though,
an
important
thing
to
maintain
some
separation
from
the
neighborhood
and.
C
R
It
wouldn't
have
any
impact
to
me
personally.
This
is
this,
is
you
know,
strictly,
you
know,
try
and
find
as
much
space
for
these
kids
as
we
can.
You
know.
Y
R
Yeah,
it
could
be,
I
mean
the
function
of
this
you
know.
Would
you
require
me
to?
I
guess
is
the
question
you
know
this
is
you
know
an
effort
for
kids
to
have
more
more
space
to
play?
That's
really
the
bottom
line.
A
All
right
at
this
point
I'm
going
to
go
to
citizen
comment.
We
have
several
people
who
have
signed
up
again.
I
will
ask
you
to
be
just
kind
of
cognizant
of
the
time
and
if
there
are
people
who
have
said
things
and
you
want
to
just
agree
with
them-
that's
perfectly
fine
as
well.
I've
got.
A
Eight
people
signed
up
nine
people
signed
up
to
speak,
so
I'm
going
to
lot
three
minutes
to
each
person
and
again
just
ask
you:
you
don't
have
to
use
the
full
three
minutes.
If
somebody
has
already
said
something
you
want
to
just
reiterate
their
point.
Please
feel
free
to
do
that
as
well.
K
Want
to
address
the
substance,
but
I
have
to
very
briefly
revisit
the
procedural.
The
legal
department's
advice
is
just
simply
mistaken.
Here
I
will
tell
you
you
can't
get
through
the
first
year
of
law
school.
If
you
don't
know
what
easements
rights
are
their
ownership
interest
in
the
property,
so
the
advice
the
council
is
getting
from
the
department
is
simply
wrong.
With
regard
to
the
general
special
use
information
sheet,
the
easement
holders
have
ownership
interest
in
the
property
they
needed
to
be
part
and
sign
off
on
this
application.
K
You're
simply
getting
bad
advice
and
ask
you
to
reconsider
that,
and
if
you
have
any
doubt
as
to
that
the
purchase
agreement
itself
between
the
church
and
the
applicant,
the
lawyers
for
both
parties
put
in
there
the
easement
right
on
page
one
of
the
agreement,
which
is
part
of
the
application.
So
at
the
time
the
lawyers
for
the
church
and
the
applicant
knew
how
important
the
easement
was.
Secondly,
easements
can't
just
be
changed.
K
A
Working
on
the
advice
of
my
counsel-
and
my
counsel
is
the
one
who
will
defend
us
in
court.
If
this
case
goes
to
court,
I
will
not
have
to
be
there,
so
my
decisions
don't
matter
on
this
particular
case.
I'm
following
the
advice
of
counsel.
I.
K
Would
ask
you
again
to
consider
whether
advice
is
well
founded,
given
the
lack
of
any
authority
cited?
Secondly,
again,
you
can't
get
through
law
school.
If
you
think
that
an
executor
or
real
estate
contract
gives
you
ownership
rights,
it
only
gives
you
contractual
rights
until
the
time
that
there's
a
closing
so
again
you're
mistaken
in
that
regard.
Finally,
with
regard
to
the
notice
council
referenced,
the
part
that
failed
to
notice
does
not
invalidate
the
amendment.
That's
true,
but
it
doesn't
validate
the
hearing.
The
hearing
cannot
proceed
without
notice.
K
K
If
the
city
tries
to
change
it,
that
would
be
a
taking
and
we'll
seek
our
rights
in
that
regard.
There
is
simply
no
basis
to
not
address.
As
councilman
alex
said
what
the
traffic
will
be
there.
The
neighborhood
is
bad
now
as
far
as
traffic.
This
will
make
it
substantially
worse.
There'll
be
traffic
congestion,
there'll,
be
safety
issues,
little
kids
in
a
parking
lot.
I
don't
mean
to
disparage
or
be
aegis
the
residents,
but
many
of
them
are
older,
they're
not
going
to
see
little
kids
coming
in
in
the
parking
lot.
K
It's
a
dangerous
situation,
you'll
be
setting
up
there'll,
be
noise.
Issues
that
haven't
been
addressed,
there'll
be
issues
as
to
access
for
fire
trucks,
police
vehicles.
There
are
issues
as
to
picking
up
sanitary,
garbage
and
recycling,
none
of
which
are
accommodated
in
the
new
plan.
I'm
speaking
fast
because
you
asked
me
to.
I
just
want
to
correct
the
presumption
that
this
is
for
working
families.
Maybe
they
are
technically
working,
but
these
are
for
upper
class
and
rich
families
they're,
not
working
class
families.
K
If
there's
any
thought
in
that
regard,
you
can
ask
what
the
tuition
is
going
to
be.
With
regards
to
the
analogy
to
elmhurst
I'll,
give
you
one
example
that
has
a
long
s
driveway
on
a
wider
street.
Its
neighbors
are
a
football
field,
a
church
and
railroad
tracks.
It's
completely
not
analogous
to
the
situation
and
again
we
have
an
easement.
It's
not
been
accommodated,
for.
I
understand
that
the
city
staff
has
represented
the
eastman
would
be
addressed.
It's
not
been
addressed
again
a
respectful
request
to
hear
you
not
go
forward.
A
Thank
you,
roseanne
mark
and
again
I
apologize
if
I'm
not
reading
names
correctly,.
A
AD
Roseanne
mark
I
live
in
the
first
williamsburg
co-op
adjacent
to
unity,
church
I've
lived
there
for
20
years,
and
my
chief
objection
really
is
that
the
context
for
this
school
is,
unlike
any
other
of
the
kensington
schools,
I'm
aware
of
given
the
the
traffic
given
the
fact
that
it's
replacing
a
church
and
given
the
fact
that,
as
you
can
see
from
that
drawing
we're
not
even
on
there,
I
mean
we
are
in
that
blank
zone
off
in
the
corner.
AD
There
very
little
consideration
has
been
given
to
the
residents
of
first
williamsburg
12
units.
If
we
were
single
family
homes,
I
mean
that
would
be.
You
know
like
a
good
chunk
of
central
street,
so
our
concerns
are
real
concerns
and
I
do
hope
that
that
everyone
is
going
to
look
very
carefully
at
how
a
development
like
this
would
impact
everyone
in
the
community,
and
I
just
also
want
to
emphasize
one
other
thing
that
brian
said,
and
that
is
this-
is
a
for
profit,
school
and
really.
AD
A
very
simple
solution
would
be
to
cut
down
the
enrollment,
and
that
would
be
much
more
easily
accommodated.
But
we
know
that
you
know,
while
he
speaks
of
wanting
to
have
as
much
room
as
possible
for
the
children,
I
really
think
it's
more.
You
know
how
much
room
is
there
in
his
pockets.
A
X
X
Z
Yes,
hi
too
very
quick
questions.
Can
anyone
tell
us.
Z
Parker
sorry,
chris
parker
35
21
central
street.
Z
The
existing
parking
lot
of
the
church
can
anyone
tell
us
when
we
can
anticipate
idot,
reaching
a
decision
on
the
full
access
proposal
and
gross
point?
How
will
that
decision
be
shared
with
the
hillside
community
and
thirdly,
in
light
of
the
significant
likely
traffic
impacts
of
the
proposed
development?
Is
it
not
premature
to
be
deliberating
on
all
the
non-traffic
related
aspects
before
idot
has
made
its
determination.
A
A
So
if,
if
to
answer
that
question
somewhat
for
you,
mr
parker,
we're
recommending
body,
so
what
we
decide
tonight
is
not
final
by
any
means
and
if
the
decision
by
the
time
the
full
project
goes
to
city
council
idot,
should
have
an
answer
in
and
city
council
is
the
final
determining
body
on
this.
A
A
AC
The
president
of
first
williamsburg
corporation,
so
I'm
speaking
for
the
corporation,
I
did
want
to
make
a
correction.
Mr
marliss
mentioned
that
the
corporation
did
not
want
to
discuss
these
things
with
them.
That's
not
exactly
correct.
Actually
what
we
stated
was
that
as
currently
conformed-
and
this
is
the
message
that
was
sent
as
currently
conformed-
the
kensington
school
project
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
corporation,
and
this
may
sound
a
little.
AC
So
there's
kind
of
a
general
thing
I
want
to
say,
which
is
that
my
sense-
and
I
think
this
is
reflective
of
the
corporation's
sense-
is
that
this
is.
This
is
something
that
doesn't
fit
it's
too
large.
What
it's
trying
to
do
doesn't
really
work
in
that
area,
both
because
it
would
make
traffic
issues
and
also
because
it
doesn't
really
it's
going
to
do
things
such
as
severely
reduce
certain
kinds
of
important
landscape
areas,
and
one
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
it
will,
when
the
word
reduced
transition
landscape
from
10
to
6.
AC
To
me,
I
would
just
say:
remove
four
feet
of
landscape
and
it
would
eliminate
10
foot
wide
transition
landscape
in
another
part
and
then
instead,
instead
of
saying
it
would
reduce
the
two-way
driveway
aisle
from
24
feet
to
16,
I
would
say
it
would
eliminate
eight
feet
of
the
driveway.
Now
I
think
we
all
know
that
16
feet
of
a
driveway
is
not
really
enough
for
garbage
trucks
to
be
coming
in
and
out
or,
if
there's
an
emergency
vehicle
so
and
there
is
no
so
now
going
forward.
AC
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
other
things.
Their
traffic
person
said.
If
I
I
think,
I'm
getting
this
right,
that
idot
is
requiring
right
in
right
out
at
gross
point
road.
I
have
seen
accidents.
Probably
most
of
the
people
that
live
here
have
seen.
Accidents
on
that
corner,
where
gross
point
and
central
and
crawford
all
come
together,
and
I
have
children
who
are
who
have
crossing
that
street
is
is
very
scary.
AC
I'm
telling
them
look
in
every
direction
and
it's
also
partly
because
in
chicago
area
we're
not
used
to
these
kinds
of
not
square
intersections,
so
that
makes
it
more
dangerous
anyway,
and
so
that's
a
serious
issue
and
for
first
williamsburg
to
be
entering
into
gross
point
road
only
being
able
to
make
a
right
on
a
street
where
it's
very
busy
and
you
have
people
rushing
to
get.
For
instance,
if
they're
going
southwest
on
gross
point,
they're
rushing
to
get
to
sometimes
the
expressway
and
they're.
Just
it's
a
straight
line.
AC
I
see
them
blowing
the
red
light,
doing
a
little
slow
down.
So
I,
the
sum
of
what
I'm
trying
to
say
here,
is
that
I
don't
think
it
really
is
good
from
a
safety
perspective,
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
really
something
that
will
serve
the
neighborhood
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
I
think
it
will
reduce
the
property
values.
AC
I
also
wanted
to
mention
the
idea
that
mr
marliss
has
said
that
when
he
spoke
about
that,
we've
enjoyed
a
certain
easement
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
In
general,
I
wouldn't
use
that
characterization
enjoy
an
easement
and
easement
is
something.
That's
like
akin
to
a
property
right,
it's
not
something
we
enjoy
or
don't
enjoy,
and
he
also
makes
a
false
kind
of
equip
kind
of
says
well.
AC
That
will
have
to
change
that's
to
be
seen,
and
I
do
want
to
mention
that
with
my
children,
when
children
are
three
or
four
and
they're
trying
to
pick
out
clothing,
what
I
learned
is
is
that
one
of
the
things
to
do
is
to
say
here's
two
shirts
pick
the
one
you
want
and
when
I
used
to
work
in
a
camera
store,
they
said
only
put
two
cameras
on
the
counter
at
one
time.
Otherwise
the
people
will
just
go
in
too
many
cameras.
I
just
don't
want
any
of
them.
AC
So
what
mr
marliss
is
saying
is
sort
of
well
you're,
either
going
to
have
us
or
somebody
else,
changing
your
easement,
that's
not
a
proper
understanding
of
an
easement.
So
it
is
not
the
position
of
first
williamsburg
that
we
want
to
block
anything.
We
are
invested
in
an
excellent,
wonderful
community
and
we
want
to
be
part
of
that
and
so
going
forward.
We
would
welcome
a
serious
conversation
about
what
would
be
in
the
interest
of
first
williamsburg
and
the
neighborhood,
and
we
don't
feel
that
that's
been
forthcoming.
AC
I
did
want
to
mention
one
other
thing.
I
do
think
that
on
a
common
sense
measure,
if
there
was
a
the
last
point,
the
last
legal
point
that
was
that
came
up
it
was
about
that
there
was
not
proper
notice.
If
there
wasn't
proper
notice,
it
would
seem
it's
just
common
sense
that
there
is
a
problem
with
then
having
the
meeting
that
there's
something
going
on
there,
and
that
would
be
not
a
great
way
to
conduct
things
just
from
a
common
sense
point
of
view.
AC
So
I
do
appreciate
the
time
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
we're
seeking
good
relations
with
all
our
neighbors,
and
I
think
that
I've
I've
heard
a
general
consensus
here
that
there
are
a
lot
of
neighbors
that
are
concerned
about
the
actual
impact
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
don't
think
that
it's
just
oh,
we
just
don't
want
something
new
or
oh,
we
just
don't
want
something
for
profit
or
we
don't
want
to
change.
I
think
there's
a
pretty
sophisticated
understanding
that
we
will
need.
AC
We
will
have
more
attempts
for
people
to
put
things
in
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
something
that's
going
to
enhance
the
neighborhood.
That's
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say.
I
think
that
what
we
want
there
is
something
that
enhances
evanston,
not
just
something
where
we
think
okay.
Well,
this
is
pretty
good
and
we
could
this
we
could
adjust
it.
AC
A
Before
you
come
back
up
mr
miles,
I
have
one
more
citizen
and
then
you
get
the
okay.
Mr
oba
is
passing
on
his
time.
A
If
you
come
up
to
the
microphone,
I
will
let
you,
since
everybody's,
been
very
respectful
of
time
on
this
one,
I'm
not
going
to.
AA
Very
quick,
john
cooper,
3614
hillside
road.
I
think
the
discussion
about
the
nuances
is
well
above
my
pay
grade.
So
I
really
appreciate
even
you
know
what
you're
talking
about,
and
I
think
your
school
had
a
great
reputation,
but
I
think
for
me
we're
missing
the
big
point
and
the
big
point
is
that
there's
already
a
traffic
problem
that
we
have
to
solve
and
this
can't
make
it
better.
A
You,
mr
cooper,
so
mr
marla,
anybody.
A
Before
I
move
on,
I
don't
see
any
hands
go
up,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
over
to
mr
marliss.
So
so
you
can
respond
and
or
make
your
final
statement.
R
Really
quick,
so
I
added
these.
We
have
some
elevations
and
some
renderings
that
we
added
to
the
record
that
weren't
in
your
original
package.
A
So
we
received
those
via
email.
We
did
get
those
and
by
via
email.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
this
morning.
K
R
Yeah,
so
so
look
here
you
know
not
in
a
nutshell,
but
but
this
is
a
really
difficult
situation,
obviously,
that
we're
trying
really
really
hard
to
overcome.
With
the
with
the
first
iteration
of
this
proposal,
we
had
full
access
out
onto
central
during
the
community
meeting
that
we
had
at
unity
church.
R
We
had
not
a
lot
of
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
anybody
about
the
co-op,
because
I
really
don't
recall,
but
a
vast
majority
of
the
opposition
to
the
proposal
was
from
all
the
residents
on
central
and
princeton
and
one
of
the
other
streets
as
it
related
to
traffic
getting
out
on
the
central
making
a
left
and
just
really
creating
havoc
out
there
once
we
recognize
that
had
another
dapper
meeting
with
a
new
plan,
which
was
the
full
access
out
onto
gross
point,
you
know
I
don't
see
anybody
here
tonight
from
any
of
those
neighborhoods
complaining
or
having
an
issue
or
unfortunately
supporting
this
plan.
R
So
what
we
have
is
you
know
a
number
of
residents
all
from
the
co-op
that
I
really
do
want
to
work
with
and
try
and
find
a
solution.
So
ms
rutan
happy
to
speak
to
you
one-on-one,
it's
nice
to
meet
you
I'd
like
to
you
know,
have
a
meeting
rather
than
a
phone
call
and
perhaps
get
this
solved.
You
know
without
the
use
of
lawyers,
and
maybe
we
could
sit
down
and
try
and
come
up
with
a
solution.
We
really
do
want
you
to
have
access.
R
You
should
have
full
access
out
onto
our
central
if
we
could
give
it
to
you
around
the
gross
point,
if
we
give
it
to
you,
but
you
know
the
goal
is
for
us
to.
You
know.
Obviously
have
you
be
comfortable,
but
you
know
there's
going
to
be
some
change
here.
I
don't
know,
perhaps
it's
foolish
for
me
to
think
that
you
couldn't
have
the
exact
same
easement
that
you
have
going
forward
with
any
other
future
developer
or
any
other
future
use
here.
R
R
It
called
for
something
that
was
also
something
similar
to
this:
a
larger,
unified
monolithic
structure
that
was
a
multi-use
residential
building
that
that
you
know
had
a
parking
lot
had
access.
The
the
easement
that
they
currently
have
is
right
down
the
middle
of
the
property,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
easement
as
it
stands
would
be
there
any
longer.
So,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
I
really
do
appreciate
it.
So
if
you
have
any
further
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them
any
further.
A
Questions
for
mr
marliss
seeing
none.
Thank
you
thanks.
We
will
close
the
record
now
and
begin
our
deliberations.
We
have
again
several
standards
that
we
must
find
are
met,
but
before
I
do
go
through
those
I'm
going
to
ask
for
general
thoughts
from
commissioners
on
the
project.
On
specifically,
we've
heard
lots
of
discussion
about
traffic
issues.
A
I
don't
I'm
I'm
cognizant
of
the
easement,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
get
caught
up
in
the
easement,
because
that's
really
an
agreement
between
two
property
owners
and
not
something
the
city
is
involved
in
so
as
long
as
both
property
owners
are
aware
of
it,
it's
up
to
them
to
figure
out
how
to
work
that
out.
So
we
we,
we
should,
you
know,
be
cognizant
of
it,
but
also
not
spend
a
lot
of
time
working
on
that,
because
the
city
really
is
not
a
party
to
any
of
that
easement.
G
Oh
I'll
go,
I
guess
I
mean
I
I
tell
you
I
I
I
would.
I
think
I
think
the
concept
of
a
daycare
center
is
great.
We
need
more
of
them.
I
just
don't
see
it
at
the
site.
G
I
I
think
that,
and-
and
I
am
so
very
familiar
if
I
wasn't-
I'd-
probably
overlook
this,
but
I
am
so
very
familiar
with
the
traffic
and
how
screwed
up
it
is
and
how
I
I
can
just
imagine
the
problems
you
know
with
this
in
and
out
on
gross
point
road
there,
because
there's
problems
now
I
and
and
the
fact
that
we're
still
waiting
for
idot,
I
I
I
don't
see
how
we
can
rule
on
this
without
knowing
what
I
I
dot's
going
to
say.
G
I
may
say
you
can't
have
it
there
or
they
may
have
some
other
major
major
change
to
the
the
way
traffic
goes
in
and
out
of
the
site.
I
I
so
I
I
would
at
least
want
to
wait
for
for
idot
before
before.
I
vote
to
approve
this.
A
So
before
we
go
before
we
go
there,
let
me
ask
staff,
because
just
in
case
this
comes
up,
what
do
our
future
meetings
look
like
just
because
if,
if
there
is
a
feeling
that
some
commissioners
are
not
comfortable
making
decisions
until
they
hear
from
idot
it's
within
our,
you
know,
we
have
the
ability
to
continue
a
case
on
our
own.
H
27Th
you're
gonna
have
items.
A
H
A
I
guess
I
guess
august
will
I
mean
we
obviously
have
added
something.
Sorry
for
speaking
over
you.
We
obviously
have
added
something
to
our
next
agenda
on
the
13th
on
the
27th,
because
if
this
is
continued
over,
I
would
expect
it
would
be
continued
over
really
for
the
discussion
on
the
traffic
itself,
since
that
seems
to
be
the
the
major
issue
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
commissioner
halek,
but
that
that
seems
to
be
the
answer
that
we
that
some
members
feel
is
is
lacking
here.
A
H
You
don't
have
plan
developments
you're,
just
gonna
have
you
might
have
a
variance
and
amendments.
A
So
with
that,
commissioner
halleck
and
other
commissioners,
commissioner
chip,
I
know
you
have
turned
your
light
on
I'll,
get
to
you
in
a
second.
Are
there
other
commissioners
who
feel
similarly
to
commissioner
halleck
of
kind
of
wanting
to
hear
what
idot
has
to
say?
Yes,
commissioner
westerberg
commissioner?
A
Late,
commissioner
mirchef
did
you
have
something
that
you
wanted
to.
L
A
So,
mr
marlos,
it
sounds
like
there's
a
desire
by
this
board
to
continue
this
until
the
27th.
So
I'll
ask
if
there
is
a
motion.
D
D
The
variation
request
to
reduce
the
the
drive
aisles
from
16
to
12
24
to
16
feet.
I
think
that
it
would
be
very
important
for
emergency
vehicles
and
other
access
that,
whatever
the
easement
ends
up
being,
it
ends
up
being
24
feet
to
to
get
to.
R
So
the
easement,
where
they
park,
is
currently
16..
Okay,
so
we're
honoring
the
same
easement
they
currently
have
where
we
have
a
when
you
come
in
off
a
gross
point.
We
come
in
at
24
feet
so
that
we
can
make
a
right
into
the
school
and
then
continue
to
go
straight
and
then,
as
you
continue
to
go
straight,
it's
reduced
to
16
feet.
D
A
So
I
I
I
would,
I
would
just
say,
maybe,
if
we're
having
an
extra
month
of
time
here,
that
maybe
there
can
be
discussions
at
some
level
between
mr
rotan.
AC
AC
I
did
want
to
just
mention
one
thing
about
the
easement.
Clearly,
an
easement
that
would
be
adequate
for
emergency
vehicles
would
be
something
that
we'd
all
be
in
support
of.
M
A
A
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
there's
going
to
be
a
motion
to
continue
so
that
we
can
hear
an
answer,
hopefully
from
idot
as
well
as
then
us
kind
of
asking
that
any
parties
to
the
easement
have
discussions
that
need
to
be
had
like.
I
said
we're
not
as
concerned
about
the
easement,
because
that's
really
an
agreement
between
between
the
two
or
three
of
you,
but
obviously
it.
A
It
makes
it
easier
for
you
all
to
figure
out
how
this
works,
and
if
it's
going
to
change,
something
that
we
are
concerned
with,
then
we
need
to
sort
of
know
that
up
front.
It
just
makes
it
easier
for
us
because
we
can
approve
a
project,
but
if
you
don't
agree
to
to
changing
easements
or
adjusting
easements
in
any
way,
then
the
project
doesn't
move
forward
anyway.
So
so
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
continue
34
34
central
until
july,
27th.
C
I'll
move
to
continue
34
34
central
to
july
27th.
D
A
Second,
in
by
lindwall
any
discussion
hearing
none,
we
can
just
do
this
by
voice
vote.
Can't
we.
AB
I
A
Yes,
so
with
a
vote
of
seven
to
one,
this
matter
is
continued,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
last
case
that
was
continued.
There
will
be
no
additional
noticing
anything
like
that,
but
again,
hopefully
we'll
have
an
answer
from
idot
by
that
time
and
then
any
further
discussions.
I
would
encourage
between
the
neighbors
and
mr
marliss
so
that
maybe
things
will
be
in
a
little
more
concrete
settled
way
when
they
come
back
to
us.
A
H
Since
commissioner
haleck
probably
wants
to
know
the
commission.
H
The
comp
plan
continues
to
get
before
we
are
doing
a
second
round
of
interviews.
Staff
scheduling
has
been
a
bit
challenging
the
past
month,
so
we
we
have
decoupled
the
comprehensive
plan
from
the
strategic
plan.
It's
just
going
to
be
a
comprehensive
plan
at
this
point,
so
we
will
plan
to
make
a
decision
in
in
probably
the
next
week,
and
this
will
go
to
city
council
in
july
for
approval.
A
Okay,
anything
else
from
staff.
I
have
one
quick
little
comment.
A
A
Is
there
some
reason
they've
not
applied
yet
and
if
they
have
not,
is
there
some
reason?
The
city
has
not
cited
them
yet
for
being
in
violation.
A
Okay,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
because
it
seemed
like
we
were
moving
down
that
road
at
one
point
and
now
we
have
stalled
and
in
conversations
I
have
with
other
members
of
the
law
department
discussions
were,
were,
I
thought,
moving
forward
anything
else.
Anybody
has
seen
nothing.
There
is
one
last
citizen
comment,
but
I
only
see
one
person
sitting
here,
who
I
don't
think
is
going
to
make
a
comment.
So
with
that
I'll
ask
if
there's
a
motion
to
adjourn.