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A
A
Good
evening
this
is
the
February
22nd
2023
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
zoning
ordinance
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
major
variations
plan
developments,
appeals
of
the
zoning
administrator's
decisions,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objections.
A
C
A
So
that
is
eight
with
eight
members
present.
We
have
a
quorum.
C
A
A
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
these
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
can
be
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
on
any
matter
on
the
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
If
there
are
a
large
number
of
people
signed
up
to
speak,
commission
rules
allow
the
chair
to
limit
the
amount
of
time
for
each
person
to
speak.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
repellent
following
this.
Those
persons
wishing
to
provide
a
statement
on
the
matter
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
any
person
with
legal
interest
with
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
question
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
will
make
a
formal
findings
effect
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commission's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
recommendations
of
Staff
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
follow
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
within
the
zoning
ordinance
and
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet.
These
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
So
please
make
sure
you're
at
a
microphone
when
you
are
speaking
so
that
you
may
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
applicants
are
here
for
each
for
each
case,
so
so
David
Reed
doesn't
actually
have
to
be
here
because
we're
just
continuing
a
vote
on
that
one
Richard
kenning.
Thank
you,
Clifford
Wilson,
thank
you.
Luke
figuria
actually
doesn't
matter
they're
here
tonight,
Hannah
Samuels,
thank
you
and
and
and
the
same
for
Hannah
samples.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
just
for
if
any
in
case,
anybody
is
here
for
new
business
for
a
the
public
hearing
for
the
zoning
text,
Amendment
for
the
University
athletic
facilities
District
in
U2
that,
even
though
that
is
on
the
agenda
tonight,
we're
not
going
to
hear
it.
The
applicant
has
requested
to
continue
this
case
to
a
date
uncertain,
and
the
case
will
not
be
discussed
at
this
meeting
and
will
be
re-noticed
for
a
future
meeting
date.
A
So
if
you
are
here
for
that,
you
can
stay
if
you
like,
but
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
that.
One.
Okay,.
A
A
Do
you
swear
to
and
affirm
that
the
testimony
you
will
provide
in
connection
with
this
case
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
The
first
item
of
business
is
review
and
approval
of
minutes
from
the
February
8
2023
meeting.
Are
there
any
comments
on
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
from
commissioners.
D
Just
a
couple
of
minor,
very
minor
things
when
we
were
discussing
the
votes
on
I,
guess
really
page
12
of
13.
the
votes
toward
the
bottom,
they
weren't
just
a
Voice
vote.
They
were
roll
call
votes.
That
would
be
the
the
motion
on
1811
to
15
Church
Street,
to
reopen
the
testimony
and
also
to
continue
that
the
item.
A
Motion
is
made
to
approve
the
minutes
and
seconded.
Can
we
please
call
the
roll.
F
B
A
Okay,
the
next
item
of
business
is
a
continue
to
vote
on
1420
Leonard
Place
23,
ZM
jv-0002.
This
is
a
case
we
heard
last
meeting
and
there
was
a
tie,
vote
and
per
our
rules
when
we
are
the
term
the
determining
body.
For
a
case,
we
need
five
concurrent
votes.
Commissioner
huco
have
you?
Can
you
attest
that
you
have
either
watched
the
recording
or
reviewed
the
minutes
of
the
case
and
are
prepared
to
cast
your
vote?
I.
A
Okay,
so
a
vote
is
no
on
that,
so
the
motion
fails
on
that
case
and
staff
will
follow
up
with
the
applicant
on
the
next
steps.
For
that.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
the
next
item
of
business
is
the
public
hearing
for
major
variation
at
1811,
1815,
Church
Street
and
the
address
on
Darrow
Avenue
staff.
Could
you
please
reread
the
case
into
the
record
and
then
we'll
make
some
comments
about
how
we're
handling
that
tonight?
As
it's
continued
from
the
last
meeting.
G
Zigrette
setback
at
the
third
story
to
eliminate
the
required
one
short
loading
birth
in
order
to
construct
a
five-story
mixed
use,
mixed-use
building
with
ground
floor
retail,
44
dwellings
and
on-site
parking
in
the
B2
business
in
West
Evanston
overly
districts.
The
induced
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
in
this
case,
in
accordance
with
zoning
code,
section
6359
and
ordinance
92021.
A
The
this
case
was
actually
both
cases
on
Church
Street
were
continued
from
our
previous
meeting,
due
to
the
applicant
of
the
time
making
statements
that
the
project
is
going
to
have
some
changes
and
Commissioners
feeling
at
the
time
that
we
did
not
have
an
adequate
enough
information
to
vote
or
read
the
standards
about
it,
because
we
didn't
feel
like
we
had
enough
information
about
it.
A
The
applicant
has
submitted
final
plans
for
that
project
and
any
variations
from
the
original
submittal
and
those
are
detailed
on
page
one
of
the
specific
memorandum
for
this
project,
or
there
are
five
bullets
per
what
we
decided
at
the
time
to
continue
it
to
listen
to
those
changes.
Testimony
tonight
is
going
to
be
on
this
case
is
going
to
be
limited
to
those
changes
on
those
bullet
points,
and
if
staff
can
please
use
the
projector
to
perhaps
highlight
the
indiv,
the
the
bulleted
items
there
that
we're
going
to
review.
A
That
would
be
helpful.
We
will
Public
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
to
make
testimony,
but
only
in
regards
to
those
changes.
A
In
addition,
last
time,
it
was
also
convenient
to
hear
both
Church
Street
cases
together
for
sake
of
efficiency
with,
since
the
projects
are
intimately
intertwined
for
the
sake
of
procedure.
Tonight
we
are
going
to
hear
the
two
different
cases
separate
just
to
be
proper
and
vote
on
each
one
individually.
A
The
applicant
for
pics
of
ministry
will
have
an
opportunity
to
present
their
case
separately
when
we
get
to
item
C
on
the
on
the
agenda
foreign.
A
So
while
we're
pulling
that
up,
Can
Richard
kenning,
please
come
up
to
the
lectern
and
explain
to
us
what
these
changes
are
and
how
it
differs
from
what
we
heard
last
time.
H
Sure
good
evening,
again,
Richard
Koenig,
Housing,
Opportunity,
Development
Corporation,
so
in
response
to
comments
made
by
the
Commissioners
over
the
past
couple
of
meetings
as
well
as
some
comments
made
from
the
neighbors
over
the
past
several
weeks
we
had
made
some
physical
modifications
to
the
overall
design
of
the
building
which
are,
as
you
mentioned,
are
highlighted
in
the
brief
memo
explaining
some
of
what
those
changes
are.
So
we
sort
of
briefly
talked
about
those
last
time
at
different
times.
So
this
just
real
quickly.
H
They're
visual
changes,
so
it'd
be
helpful.
If
we
have,
if
just
have
a
picture
of
the
elevation,
would
briefly
be
able
to
sort
of
walk
through
that
and
sort
of
show
what
the
what
some
of
those
changes
might
be,
the
first
one
as
they're
pulling
that
up
would
be
regarding
the
setback
in
the
rear.
So,
as
staff
mentioned
that
originally
had
requested
a
zero
foot
setback
on
the
rear,
but
currently
the
setback
is
requested
to
be
two
and
a
half
feet.
H
The
request
is
the
if
the
variances
at
five
feet,
and
so
instead
of
zero
feet,
it's
requested
to
be
two
and
a
half
feet.
So,
overall,
the
whole
building
was
pushed
back.
So
that's
a
minor
change
to
what
staff
read
in
the
report.
H
During
the
Dapper
review,
it
was
recommended
to
do
some
additional
Landscaping,
traditional
beautification,
so
we'd
added
those
Planters
on
the
front.
It
was
felt
that
those
stuck
out
too
far
because
the
front
of
the
building
is
adjacent
with
the
sidewalk.
It
does
has
a
zero
setback,
and
so,
instead
of
having
those
Planters
on
the
front,
we've
pulled
those
Planters
away,
and
so
the
graphic
pictures
you
that
you
see
of
the
elevations
that
were
included
in
the
packet
have
removed
those
Planters.
What
we
can
do
instead.
H
H
The
third
item
bullet
item
was
on
the
West
Side.
The
setback
requirement
again
is
five
feet.
We'd
requested
a
zero
foot
setback.
The
neighborhood
requested
that
we
set
that
back
several
feet
from
their
building.
H
We
felt
that
setting
the
making
a
sort
of
a
Breezeway
or
a
walkway
between
there
that
was
too
large
would
be
an
unsafe
condition,
discussed
that
briefly,
at
the
last
meeting
that
having
that
too
large,
so
rather
than
having
it
write
up
adjacent
touching
the
building,
we
did
agree
to
set
that
back
an
inch
so
that
there
is
some
physical
space
between
that,
but
not
spaced
wide
enough
for
stuff
to
get
in
there,
people
to
get
in
there
and
therefore
create
an
unsafe
situation
between
the
two
buildings.
H
Fourth
item
is
the
west
elevation
and
as
far
as
the
physical,
what
that
looks
like
with
the
bricks
and
the
finishes
so
there's
a
picture
of
the
elevation.
If
you
scroll
down
showing
what
that
looks
like
that,
the
the
bricks
are
wrapped
all
the
way
around
the
building.
There
are
no
windows
on
that
west
side,
where
the
T
sticks
out
the
long
side
of
that
tee.
H
D
D
H
So
so
the
process
that
we
use,
we
form,
follow
a
formal
tenant
selection
plan
for
selecting
tenants
for
all
of
our
buildings.
That
includes
it's
a
there's,
a
formal
document
that
we
adopt
it's
a
form
document,
that's
provided
by
the
Illinois
Housing
Development
Authority,
and
it
lays
out
the
standards
that
we
follow.
When,
selecting
any
Resident
for
any
of
our
buildings.
H
We
do
create
a
waiting
list
for
selecting,
tenants,
anybody
who's
interested.
We
will
make
an
announcement
that
the
building
is
available
in
units
are
the
awaiting
list
will
be
open.
The
initial
process
will
be
that
people
anybody's
interested
in
applying
will
submit
their
name
at
a
date,
certain
we'll
make
that
available
to
everyone
and
then
do
a
lottery
process
where
we
scramble
the
names
and
then
start
people
at
the
top
of
the
list.
All
of
our
buildings
always
have
more
tenants
to
apply
than
we
have
units
that
are
available.
H
We
often
have
hundreds
for
a
building
like
this
of
44
units.
We
anticipate
probably
having
two
to
300
people
that
would
apply
for
the
for
occupancy
in
the
building,
so
the
selection
process
includes
qual
income.
The
first
selection
process
is
income
qualifying
folks,
based
on
the
funding
that
we
use.
The
eligibility
level
is
based
on
income
levels,
so
in
the
in
res,
in
getting
Public
Funding
using
public
dollars
for
the
construction
and
development
of
the
property,
there
are
certain
income
thresholds
that
we
have
to
follow
so
tenants.
H
H
D
Would
be
that
you
don't
discriminate
in
terms
of
income,
Source
I
presume
correct.
H
Number,
so
the
source
of
income
they
have
on
sort
of
on
the
bottom
side
is:
what's
the
minimum
amount
of
income?
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
overburdening
people
with
the
amount
of
rent
we
have
because
the
rent
is
fixed.
It's
not
a
sliding
scale.
The
amount
of
rent
is
fixed
once
you
can
qualify.
The
amount
of
rent
is
the
full
amount
of
rent
and
you
have
to
be
able
to
meet
that
full
amount
of
of
that
rental
requirements.
So
we
don't
discriminate
on
what
the
source
of
income
is.
H
It
may
be
a
job,
it
may
be
disability
income.
It
may
be
about
a
project,
maybe
a
voucher,
so
whatever
that
source
of
income
may
be,
those
are
it's
open
to
anybody
whatever
that
source
of
income,
so
they
have
to
be
able
to
pay
that
that
full
amount
of
rent
to
be
a
couple
of
number
of
units
would
be
set
aside
for
people
with
disability.
H
H
When
someone
does
income
qualify,
we
on
the
waiting
list.
We
do
a
formal
review,
there's
a
formal
application
process
where
we
get
information
on
the
household,
the
source
of
income,
everybody
who
would
be
living
in
the
unit.
We
have
to
have
information,
everybody
who
would
be
and
living
there
has
to
be
included
on
that
application
process,
and
then
we
do,
starting
with
an
initial
credit
check,
review
any
adults
over
18,
see
what
the
credit
report
says.
H
Based
on
the
status
of
that
credit
report,
we
recognize
a
lot
of
our
folks
aren't
going
to
necessarily
have
great
credit,
so
we're
not
limiting
it
to
a
certain
credit
score,
but
really
what's
the
composition
of
what
the
credit
is,
we're
then
able
to
do
a
criminal
background
check
criminal
background
check
comes
next
if
we
would
select
them
based
on
the
credit
score
the
criminal
background
check,
then
we
want
to
see
what
the
criminal
history
may
be
based
on
the
tenant
selection
plan,
based
on
the
review
process.
Allied
it
allowed
under
eye
to
standards.
H
We
are
allowed
to
not
select
persons
who
have
a
felony
criminal
conviction
within
the
past
five
years,
so
that
would
be
a
disqualifying
standard.
We
do
interview
tenants,
find
out
what
they're,
what
they're
interested
in
living
there.
What
their
motivation
is
why
they
want
to
housing,
want
to
interview
the
entire
household,
make
sure
that
they're
interested
and
be
able
to
be
least
compliant-
and
you
know,
if
they're
interested
in
living
in
the
building
and
so
that
screening
process
that
we
go
through
is
very
detailed.
It's
very
extensive.
H
We
do
reject
people
that
don't
meet
all
of
our
standards.
Necessarily
once
we
do
select
them,
then
everybody
who's
going
to
be
a
tenant
is
on
that
lease
leases
are
fully
for
one
year
and
then
renewable
each
year
we
do
a
recertification
process
and
the
leases
renewable
for
again
another
one-year
term.
H
Yes,
absolutely
so
one
of
the
requirements
of
getting
the
financing
is
that
we
do
have
extensive
amount
of
of
green
sustainability
features
in
the
building,
so
we
will
apply
for
National,
Green,
Building,
standard
certification,
so
one
of
the
standards-
that's
currently
that's
encouraged
by
Ida-
is
to
do
this
green
sustainability
plan,
where
we
have
extensive
insulation
in
the
walls
that
we
have
extensive
insulation,
it's
a
high
r
value
and
the
walls
and
in
the
roof.
We
do
have
high
efficiency,
furnaces
Heating
units
in
the
building
low
flow
water
features.
H
There
are
in
addition,
instead
of
having
any
gas,
it
will
be
all
electric
building,
so
everything
will
be
powered
electric,
so
is
on
the
grid.
Looking
for
sustainability
features
that
will
remove
the
need
for
any
sort
of
natural
gas
within
the
building,
so
it
will
meet
those
high
level
certifications
and
achieve
a
high
level
of
standard
of
sustainability.
C
E
H
Not
necessarily,
okay,
so
typically
under
federal,
fair
housing
law,
it
is
not
legal
to
have
a
local
preference
to
move
people
locally.
You
can
imagine
some
of
the
problems
that
might
create
in
some
communities
based
on
conversations
with
a
council
member
and
the
desire
to
make
sure
we're
serving
Evanston
residents.
We
have
formally
requested
that
we
are
allowed
to
have
a
preference
for
Evanston
residence
that
anybody
with
Evanston
is
allowed
to
move
to
the
front
of
the
waiting
list
ahead
of
other
people
who
are
not.
H
H
H
H
No,
it
is
actually
a
for-profit
corporation
that
owns
that
will
own
the
project.
We
will
set
up
a
limited
partnership
that
we
control
as
the
limited
liability
company
of
that
limited
partnership.
The
reason
to
limit
a
partnership
is
set
up
is
based
on
the
financing
mechanism.
It's
actually
a
federal,
low-income
housing
tax
credit
that
finances
most
of
the
projects
in
order
to
pass
along
those
tax
benefits.
A
for-profit
corporation
is
set
up.
Therefore,
it's
not
a
non-profit
organization,
also
under
state
of
Illinois.
H
If
you
aren't
acting
in
a
charitable
means,
you're
not
allowed
to
be
real
estate
tax
exempt
because
we
make
people
pay
rents
and
we
don't
let
them
live
there
for
free.
If
we
don't
pay
their
rent,
that's
not
considered
acting
charitable.
Therefore,
we
are
required
to
pay
real
estate
taxes
for
the
property.
A
J
Good
evening
I
know
there
was
a
couple
of
comments
made
that
were
not
about
the
changes
when
we
first
started.
Speaking
chair
Rogers
said
that
we
were
going
to
hear
it
together.
J
The
two
projects
now
here
you
come
today
and
say
we're
going
to
hear
them
separate,
so
I
believe
that
the
people
with
the
comments
should
be
able
to
talk
about
hearing
the
two
separate,
because
you
have
changed
the
rules
now
right.
That's
what
you
said
today.
J
J
This
is
wrong.
I'm
gonna
say
it
again:
there's
been
a
lot
of
telephone
calls
amongst
the
aldermen,
the
mayor
and
people,
maybe
on
this
panel,
and
some
people
need
to
go
to
jail
because
they
have
personal
interests
in
this
building
and
other
projects
here
in
the
city
and
the
Citizens
need
to
stand
up
and
start
doing
investigations.
J
J
J
C
K
K
K
The
ownership
stabilizes,
the
community
and
our
community
has
constantly
been
disrupted.
We
are
living
with
the
results
of
developers,
projects
that
have
put
in
our
neighborhood
and
the
men.
The
community
has
not
benefited
from
all
the
dollars
that
have
been
spent
for
the
projects
that
the
developers
have
have
put
in
our
neighborhood.
We
have
the
density,
the
problem
with
parking,
the
air
pollution
from
all
the
cars
and
trucks
in
our
area.
Our
houses
have
cracked
from
all
of
the
vibrations
from
the
buildings
that
have
taken
place.
K
K
We're
pleading
with
you
again
25
years
later,
to
listen
to
what
the
people
are
asking
for.
They
won't
change,
they
don't
want
just
housing,
it
takes
one
house
or
one
place
in
the
connect
in
the
community
to
destroy
the
community.
We've
seen
it
just
one
rental
house:
in
our
block
we
had
to
fight
and
start
a
community
group
to
get
our
community
back.
K
If
big
money
is
going
to
help
destroy
we're
asking
you
to
deny
this
project
25
years
later,
we're
asking
you
to
do
what
the
people
wanted
for
their
community
and
it
wasn't
just
public
housing.
Don't
you
see
what's
happening
all
across
the
country
to
our
youth?
And
yet
our
leaders
are
not
doing
anything
to
change
it.
K
I
mean
you
just
can't
keep
handing
money
out
to
developers
to
destroy
our
neighborhoods.
We
are
not
benefited
from
any
of
the
dollars
that
are
coming
in
here
from
Washington
our
state.
We
can
tell
you
that,
because
we
live
it,
we
see.
What's
going
on,
we've
had
to
fight
to
save
our
community
and
25
years
ago
they
were
saying
this
facade.
Do
you
like
this
facade
better,
or
do
you
like
that?
Oh
the
developer,
we
weren't
concerned
about
that.
We
want
something
that's
going
to
benefit
our
neighborhoods
and
I
plead
to
you
tonight
do
something!
L
A
Part
of
me
I'm
just
going
to
limit
speakers
to
three
minutes
going
forward.
Thank.
G
L
Do
that
all
the
time
and
I'm
forced
meaning
I'm,
Bonnie,
Wilson
I,
live
in
the
First
Ward,
but
I'm?
Also
a
real
estate
agent
and
I
know
that
you
talk.
You
said
we
can
only
talk
about
what's
going
on
what
he
talked
about
today,
but
I
want
to
give
your
perspective
my
perspective
as
a
real
estate
agent
and
why
this
is
an
important
development
she
spoke
before
and
not
mentioned.
L
The
biggest
challenge,
as
I
have
found
in
selling
real
estate
in
Evanston
for
the
last
38
years
has
been
in
the
rental
market
right
now.
The
the
multiple
listing
services,
the
the
lowest
price
for
a
three
bedroom
rental,
is
one
thousand
eight.
Ninety
five
and
a
two
bedroom
is
one
thousand
four.
Fifty
in
fact
right
now,
there's
not
even
a
one
bedroom
available
in
Evanston
for
rent
the
development
on
Church
in
Darrow.
The
rent
is
going
to
be
eight
hundred
dollars
for
a
two
bedroom
and
one
thousand
dollars
for
a
three
bed.
L
Teacher
aides,
retail
clerks
and
child
care
records
are
some
of
the
people
that
couldn't
that
work
in
Evanston
that
couldn't
live
in
Evanston
with
the
Dodge
Enduro
development
44,
more
households
from
the
young
families
who
was
just
starting
in
the
workforce
to
older
adults
who
are
retired
and
living
on
Social
Security
may
be
able
to
live
here.
Without
such
a
struggle.
Now
close
to
half
of
Evanston
residents
are
paying
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income
and
those
with
the
lowest
incomes
are
struggling
the
most
to
meet
their
basic
necessities.
L
L
There
would
then
be
new,
affordable
housing
opportunities.
Evanston
is
not
now
plus
it
wouldn't
make
my
job.
So
what
are
you
waiting
for?
Commissioners
go
ahead
and
vote
Yes
for
this
wonderful
opportunity
to
have
everyone
who
works
in
Evanston
and
wants
to
work
and
live
in
Evanston
can
live
in
Evanston
when
the
develop
it
at
church.
Enduro
is
built.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
next
is
Ron
ronoki
and
up
next
is
radisha
SATs.
M
Hi
good
evening
concerning
this
project,
you.
M
Name
is
Ron
morka
concerning
this
project.
I've
looked
at
I'm,
an
engineer,
I'm
a
mechanical
engineer
and
I've.
Looked
at
the
because
I
asked
about
the
traffic
study.
It
was
done
during
covet
2022.,
there's,
seven
churches
within
three
block
radios:
you
have
the
advanced
in
Township,
High
School
and
you
have
a
stadium
right
around
the
corner.
So
I'm
wondering
how
are
you
going
to
fit
all
these
cars
in
this
area?
M
And,
secondly,
when
people
argue
about
affordable
housing,
you
only
providing
for
44
families,
the
more
than
44
people
that
need
housing,
how
many
44
houses
for
how
many
people
it
doesn't
make
a
dent
in
the
demand
for
housing?
And
then
there
are
other
issues
of
providing
affordable
housing.
You
know
so
I
think
putting
that
and
then
also
the
cost
of
the
building
is
up
close
to
22
million
for
44
houses.
C
And
up
next
is
Kenya
Riza
at
1722
Daryl.
N
Hello
I
spoke
last
time
with
all
of
these
horrifying
problems
that
plagued
our
neighborhood
for
decades
and
overwhelming
amount
of
rental
units
in
the
neighborhood.
Do
we
need
less?
We,
the
small
landlords,
takes
us
months
to
fill
our
units
and
this
lady
may.
This
testified
that
it's
needed.
We
all
all
are
for
affordable
housing.
We
all
are
for
affordable
ownership,
but
in
our
neighborhood
we
don't
need
that.
We
need
affordable
ownership
in
our
neighborhood.
That's
what
we
need.
So
we
have
gone
from
more
than
a
decade
of
violence.
N
We
need
to
bring
police
officers
to
testify
what
we
have
experienced.
We
don't
charge
the
rents
that
this
lady
is
saying
that
we
are
charging
because
in
our
neighborhood,
that
is
not
what
flies
so
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
numbers.
Okay,
so
we
know
that
in
Fifth
Ward
one
bedroom
on
a
free
market
so
that
this
lady
can
sell
many
many
many
units
I
wish
a
successful
business.
N
It's
about
130,
000
per
unit
right
two
bedrooms:
two
bedrooms
are
150
100,
60,
three
bedrooms,
180
right
so
a
whole
building
by
the
lake
sold
six
months
ago.
43
units
for
10.3
million
dollars,
so
we
we
have
here
public
funds,
taxpayers,
money
right,
22
million
dollars,
plus
1
million.
That
last
is
worth
correct.
N
So
further
further
than
that,
if
you
have
23
million
dollars,
we
can
buy
over
200,
we
can
buy
over
130
units
on
a
fair
market,
fair
market,
that
it's
happening
right
now.
This
rate
is
real
estate
person.
She
can
testify
to
that.
She
knows
so
you
anybody
can
look
up
the
Zillow.
So
my
question
is:
why
are
we
using
the
taxpayers,
dollars
and
taxpayers
money.
N
Okay,
so
the
conclusion
is
further:
if
anybody
checks
and
see
non-for-profit
organizations,
they
don't
disclose
where
the
money
is
coming
in,
were
there
in
the
the
the
the
profits
from
what
500
units
that
they're
collecting
money.
So
we
have
so
much
information
in
the
news
right
now
that
just
because
somebody
says
it's
not
for
profit,
they
are
for
profit
and
we
have
so
much
information
about
schemes
that
they're
going
in
non-for-profit
organization.
We
can
just
I
can
go
on
giving
you
documents
and
documents
and
documents.
N
So
we
are
saying:
invest
in
our
community,
invest
in
people.
Maybe
people
by
the
lake
need
affordable
rents.
So
fine
we
can
set
up
a
fund
that
they
have
their
choice.
They
can
get
their
money
and
they
choose
where
to
live,
and
if
you
give
people
ninety
thousand
dollars,
so
they
can
buy
one
bedroom
condo.
We
don't
have
to
tell
them
in
which
corner
they're
going
to
live.
We
don't
have
to
tell
them
that
they
must
live
in
this
building.
They
have
a
choice.
Okay,.
O
To
speak
is
not
okay,
I
wrote
something
so
affordable.
Housing
elects
politicians
and
lets
big
developers
receive
money
from
taxpayers.
O
These
buildings
make
these
folks
look
altruistic
and
benevolent
because
they
are
helping
the
poor
people
that
can't
pay
rent,
but
I
say
that
is
not
what
we
want,
nor
what
we
need.
We
want
to
own
our
own
home.
We
want
to
be
safe
in
that
home.
We
want
our
children
to
have
their
own
rooms,
their
backyards
with
a
kiddie
pool
or
a
swing
set.
O
We
want
a
quiet,
neighborhood,
a
place
where
we
can
meet
our
neighbors
and
form
a
community,
a
community
of
people
that
get
to
know
and
support
each
other
over
the
years.
Instead
of
having
people
on
the
revolving
door,
we
want
a
neighborhood
where
our
kids
can
walk
through
without
having
to
look
over
their
shoulder.
O
I
asked
Richard
in
our
last
meeting
how
he
is
going
to
prevent
this
from
happening.
Is
he
going
to
go
knock
on
the
doors
of
every
apartment
and
make
sure
that
this
is
not
happening?
I
can
put
in
one
person
or
two
people
on
on
on
paper?
How
is
that
going
to
be
verified?
O
I
know
that
for
many
of
you,
the
idea
of
living
in
such
a
small
space
with
so
many
people
is
inconceivable,
but
it
isn't.
If
that's
all
you
have
ever
known,
I
may
be
looked
as
a
bad
person.
You
may
be
appalled
that
I
can
stand
up
here
and
oppose
this
affordable
housing.
Having
had
the
need
for
such
structures
growing
up
but
growing
up
in
it,
I
can
say
100
that
I
did
not
feel
safe.
O
O
O
O
O
Me
remind
the
board
about
how
you
stopped
and
thought
really
hard
about
the
building
of
a
house
by
the
metro
and
how
a
single
neighbor
complained
about
having
to
look
at
a
less
than
aesthetically
pleasing
garage
door.
O
You
have
a
whole
community
opposing
this
project
and
not
for
aesthetic
concerns
for
safety
and
health.
How
are
the
soil
Studies
by
the
way?
That's
hasn't
been
made
public
shouldn't
this,
be
a
reason
alone
to
stop
and
really
think
about
the
safety
of
the
families
you
intend
to
serve.
This
is
not
aesthetic.
This
is
safety
and
health.
P
Anna
wooden
I
live
at
1721,
Daryl
I'm,
a
legal
interest
holder
as
I'm
just
across
the
road
I
haven't,
had
the
chance
to
speak
previously.
First
because
I
found
out
late
and
later
because
it's
quite
the
moral
condry
to
figure
out
it's
complicated,
I
can't
quite
figure
out
why
it's
tied
to
the
church.
It
seems
the
only
reason
is
to
make
it
more
complicated
to
understand
why
there's
a
land
swap
any
of
that.
It's
all
very
complicated.
P
Sorry,
what
I've
landed
on
is
this:
it's
not
the
purview
of
this
commission
to
decide
what
goes
where,
how
much
housing
we
receive.
I
understand
you
take
into
consideration.
It's
not
meant
to
be
deciding
factor
as
I
understand
it.
Your
job
is
to
look
at
the
plans,
take
into
consideration
how
they
affect
the
neighborhood
as
far
as
living
quality,
maintaining
the
Integrity
of
visual
makeup
and
see
what's
cause
for
granting
any
major
variations.
P
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about,
affordable
housing.
That's
what
goes
into
that
area
great,
but
I
have
concerns
about
the
plans
and
the
safety
they're
in
for
starters
traffic.
The
alley
is
exceedingly
tight
and
has
a
T
intersection
with
how
close
the
hdoc
building
will
be
to
the
alley
30
inches,
which
is
more
narrow
than
your
usual
doorway.
I,
don't
know
where
you're
going
to
put
Snow
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
have
two-way
traffic
I,
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
fix
coming
out
of
that
area.
Blind
from
the
turn.
P
The
traffic
in
general,
from
Daryl
onto
church
is
a
tricky
intersection,
we'll
be
introducing
many
more
cars
between
the
church
and
hdoc's,
build
strangelovs
blocks
the
sight
lines
to
the
East
and
occasionally
cars
park,
all
the
way
down
the
block
blocking
from
the
west
and
traffic
from
the
school
and
Dodge
intersections
means
you
just
have
to
nose
out
and
hope
people
see
you
I
personally
have
almost
been
hit
there.
Many
times
also
there's
no
left
turn
hand
on
to
dodge.
So
if
anyone
tries
to
turn
left,
it
backs
all
the
cars
up.
P
Secondly,
maintaining
the
visual
and
structural
Integrity
of
the
area
last
meeting
I
did
in
fact
watch
this
committee
to
take
a
very
long
time
to
consider
a
house
that
had
four
major
variances
on
it
and
come
to
the
conclusion
as
final
voted
tonight
that
four
major
variances
is
too
many
to
fit
into
one
lot.
Someone
said
it
might
be
a
sign.
The
combined
major
variances
of
this
are
16.
If
four
is
too
many
for
another
Community
Y
is
16.
Okay
and
Ours.
P
P
P
Thank
you.
It's
not
the
job
of
this
commission
to
decide
to
throw
the
rule
book
out
to
accommodate
these
projects.
It
is
to
decide
what
concessions
reasonably
should
be
made
and
what
to
uphold
I
just
ask
we
receive
all
the
same
consideration
all
the
same
time
as
any
other
Block
in
any
other
award.
Thank
you.
C
A
You
Andrew
and
then
next
is
zimara
Chambers.
Q
Last
month,
I
mentioned
my
concerns
about
this
project,
had,
as
it
relates
to
environmental
justice,
a
topic
that
I
care
deeply
about
that
I
work
with
on
a
daily
basis,
citing
affordable
housing
less
than
a
block
away
from
the
evidence.
Transfer
Facility
a
facility
with
known
air
pollution
issues
that
regularly
operates
in
violation
of
its
permit
is
the
exact
opposite
of
environmental
justice.
On
October
26
of
last
year,
mayor
biss
wrote
to
the
environmental
to
the
Evanston
Community
regarding
evanston's
commitment
to
environmental
justice.
Q
He
wrote
We
achieve
environmental
justice
when
every
resident
is
equally
protected
from
environmental
hazards
and
health
risks,
including
air,
polluted
air
and
water.
The
ugly,
but
perhaps
unsurprising
truth,
is
that
the
opposite
has
too
often
been
the
case
and
that
unless
we
work
proactively
and
with
complete
knowledge,
environmental
Injustice
is
likely
to
persist,
and
that,
in
my
opinion,
is
exactly
what
this
project
is
and
Injustice
not.
Q
I
I
present
this
all
to
you
not
to
suggest
that
it
is
a
direct
consideration
in
this
matter.
I
recognize
that
it
isn't,
but
rather
to
point
out
a
broader
message
here:
How
Deeply
flawed
this
project
truly
is
deeply
filed
for
the
community,
deeply
flawed
for
our
neighborhood
and
deeply
flawed
for
the
very
people
it
is
supposedly
intended
to
serve.
Q
Last
month,
one
of
the
committee
members
pointed
out
something
that
struck
with
me
and
my
apologies
where
I
was
sitting
I
couldn't
see
exactly
who
it
was
sometimes
you're
all
asked
to
review
projects
that
that
just
don't
make
sense
for
the
lot
that
they
are
intended
to
be
on
well,
I
would
pause
it
to
you
all
that
the
applicant
here
is
trying
to
shoehorn
the
wrong
project
onto
the
wrong
lot
and
doing
so
and
doing
so
at
the
expense
of
everyone,
except
perhaps
their
own
Pockets.
Thank
you.
R
We've
been
looked
at
as
the
villains
by
others
saying
we
oppose
affordable
housing.
We
don't,
if
you
look
at
an
analysis
done
by
Evanston
now,
Fifth
Ward
has
the
highest,
so
Evanston
does
not
does
have
an
issue
with
affordable
housing,
but
not
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
This
chart
the
chart
that
Evanston
now
posted
says
that
Evanston
needs
to
spread
out,
affordable
housing.
R
R
If
you
take
what
the
second,
the
third
and
the
six
words
which,
by
the
way,
had
zero,
affordable,
housing,
seventh,
eighth
and
nine
words
and
add
those
up
together,
it
doesn't
even
total
what
we
have
in
affordable
housing
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
Let's
call
this
for
what
it
is
and
it's
modernized
redlining
is
segregation.
R
R
C
A
T
70-Year
resident
of
the
Fifth
Ward
stakeholder
in
this
I
want
to
first
start
by
saying
all
the
five
changes
that
have
been
recommended
will
make
not
one
eye
order
of
a
difference
in
this
project.
So
before
you
tell
us
that
we
can't
talk
about
anything
that
happened
before
I'm
telling
you
now.
The
suggested
changes
will
not
make
this
project
acceptable
to
us
as
a
community.
Now
I
am
very
much
aware
that
your
recommendation
this
evening
is
not
binding
on
the
city
council.
T
However,
your
commission
has
established
standards
to
evaluate
proposals
and
I'm,
encouraging
you
to
keep
your
commitment
and
your
responsibility
to
reject
this
proposal.
One
your
standards
provide
that
proposals
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact.
It
will.
There
are
over
seven
requested
variations
from
business
and
Commercial
to
residential
on
this
particular
proposal
through
the
proposal
is
not
keeping
the
intent
of
the
current
zoning
ordinance,
it
is
not
three.
T
The
property
owner
would
suffer
a
hardship
if
the
current
owner,
which
is
the
City
of
Evanston,
the
only
hardship,
is
City
staff
who
have
not
come
up
with
any
proposals
that
will
be
compatible
to
the
current
zoning
standards.
Four
5A
of
your
own
requirements,
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
This
one
is
section
382
that
the
application
is
not
based
exclusively
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property,
and
it
is
no
benefit
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood
inclusive
section
6363
and
provides
no
public
benefits.
T
Seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviations
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
feasible
options
before
the
commission
make
issues
this
decision.
Four,
the
purpose
of
a
variation
is
not
based
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
It
is
section
3-82
that
the
application
is
not
based
exclusively
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property
and
the
property
is
of
no
benefit.
T
This
is
no
benefit
to
the
surrounding
Community.
It's
incompatible
with
anything
that
exists
there
now
and
provides
no
public
benefit
standard.
Seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
feasible
options
identified
before
this
commission
issues,
the
decision
that
is
recommended
to
the
city
council.
The
applicants
have
not,
and
finally,
and
importantly,
I-
encourage
you
to
maintain
civility
in
your
deliberations.
It.
U
T
Necessary
to
use
profanity,
as
was
used
in
a
church,
and
it
is
a
terrible
disrespect
to
my
community
and
my
members.
Secondly,
many
of
you
are
not
aware
of
the
Iliad
and
the
Odyssey.
They
brought
a
gift
to
the
people
of
Troy
a
trojan
horse.
It
is
now
called
hodc,
do
not
bring
this
Trojan
Horse
to
destroy
our
community
and
secondly,
we
have
in
Matthew
7
that
there
will
come
into
your
community
wolves
and
sheep
clothing
to
defied
and
destroy
your
community.
T
C
Next
is
Sue
loback
and
then
Keith
Banks.
W
Mr
Sutton
I
always
hate
it
when
I
have
to
follow
you,
hi
I'm,
Sue,
lollbach,
I,
work
at
connections
for
the
homeless
and
I
head
up
our
program
called
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing
and
I'd
like
to
ask
the
commission
tonight
to
consider
how
flexibility
in
zoning
needs
to
be
used
to
support
affordability,
affordable
housing
is
very
expensive.
We
know
that
from
studying,
affordable
developments
all
over
the
country,
it
is
very
expensive
and
it's
actually
quite
rare.
We
see
this
as
a
very
rare
opportunity
to
create
44
new
units.
W
Now
I
am
incredibly
impressed
and
moved
with
the
passion
of
the
people
in
the
Fifth
Ward
about
this
and
about
wanting
more
investment
in
their
community
and
wanting
things
to
change
and
I
totally
get
that
and
we
at
connections
want
that
too.
But
we
also
know
what
evanston's
e
plan
from
the
health
department
says.
W
It
says
that
the
Fifth
Ward
has
the
lowest
life
expectancy
75
years
as
opposed
to
88
years
in
some
of
the
other
warts,
and
it
says
that
more
people
in
the
Fifth
Ward
are
paying
more
than
a
third
of
their
incomes
on
housing
than
any
other
Ward.
So
it
sounds
to
me
like
well,
we
know
we
need
affordable
housing
everywhere
in
Evanston.
People
in
the
Fifth
Ward
need
it
too,
and
we're
seeing
people
at
connections
come
in
all
the
time
from
The
Fifth
Ward
and
they
don't
have
enough
money
to
survive.
W
W
W
We
need
all
the
solutions
there
are
great
Solutions
proposed
tonight.
We
need
those,
we
need
more
investment
in
the
community,
we
need
ownership
programs
and
we
need
buildings
like
the
one
being
proposed
tonight.
So
we
urge
you
to
use
your
to
really
consider
the
value
of
that
in
light
of
the
variances
that
you're
considering.
Thank
you.
X
I
am
also
moved
by
all
the
comments
and
sentiments
by
my
fellow
residents
that
live
in
the
Fifth
Ward
I'm.
Just
here
to
say,
the
bottle
is
not
half
empty.
It's
half
full,
affordable
housing
is
not
a
bad
thing.
It's
a
good
thing
and
it's
needed
all
over
our
country
desperately.
X
We
need
over
7
000
units
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
everywhere,
fifth
War
second
world
first
first
world,
wherever
we
need
it
wherever
we
can
get
it
ever
since
only
seven
miles,
it's
under
land,
lock,
land
security
scarcity,
so
the
opportunities
are
limited.
So
when
we
have
opportunities
to
convert
bacon
Lots,
we
need
to
do
it.
This
lot
has
been
vacant
for
over
35
years,
I
have
lived,
worked
and
gone
to
church
in
Evanston
contiguously
for
the
last
36
years.
That
lot
has
been
vacant.
X
Now
it's
an
opportunity
to
convert
that
yacht
lot
into
affordable
housing
and
to
allow
a
church
to
expand.
We
need
to
allow
churches
to
expand.
We
need
more
faith,
more
love,
more
hope
in
our
community.
It's
way
too
much
hate
way
too
much
violence.
We
need
more
affordable
housing,
more,
not
less
everywhere.
X
I
lived
in
Evanston
when
I
first
bought
my
home
cost
us
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
all
we
could
afford
my
wife
and
I.
We
have
two
kids.
Now
the
cost
of
our
house
is
tripled.
Although
our
income
is
doubled.
We
still
can't
afford
to
buy
a
bigger
home
in
Evanston,
the
average
cost
of
a
single
family
home
is
700
000
in
Evanston
people
are
moving
away
from
Evanston,
particularly
our
black
and
brown
people
are
moving
out.
They're
getting
displaced.
X
This
affordable
housing
unit
is
going
to
allow
people
to
live
for
less
than
33
percent
of
area.
Me
I
mean
of
their
discretionary
income,
and
it's
also
the
800
pound
elephant
in
the
room
is:
is
that
how
do
you
build
generational,
generational
wealth
by
lowering
Inc
by
lowering
rents?
These
rents
are
substantially
below
market
value,
and
when
you
allow
people
to
save
money
by
lower
rents,
then
they
can
afford
to
buy
homes.
Then
they
can
afford
to
have
generational
to
generational
wealth
because
they
can
save
money.
X
If
you're
spending
over
half
your
income
and
hear
the
speaker,
if
you're
spending
over
half
your
income
toward
rents,
you're
strapped
your
housing
burden,
you
cannot
afford
to
buy.
You
go
from
broke
generation
to
broke
generation
and
that's
what
happens
to
most
of
our
people,
especially
Lori
they're,
never
able
to
buy
a
home
because
they
can't
afford
it.
This
particular
project
will
allow
that
it
will
allow
an
opportunity
for
generational,
generational
wealth,
because
the
rents
are
low.
You
can't
even
get
a
studio
in
Evanston
for
600.
X
S
X
X
Yes,
so
I
agree
that
there
needs
to
be
more
home
ownership,
but
you
got
to
have
people
the
opportunity
to
have
more
affordable
rents,
so
they
can
afford
to
save
and
build
generational
degenerational
wealth.
So
please
approve
this
project.
It's
much
needed
if
the
demand
is
high
and
the
supply
is
low.
Thank.
A
A
Okay,
there
are
two
more
people
signed
up
to
speak
birth
hammer.
U
Chair
Patel,
thank
you,
Haley
guyan
speaking
on
behalf
of
Crosby
theater
LLC,
owner
of
1817,
Church
Street,
the
adjoining
property
to
the
hodc
and
Mount
Pisgah
proposal.
This
verbal
testimony,
as
previously
as
was
previously
given
at
the
hearing
a
few
weeks
back,
is
given
in
conjunction
with
the
written
testimony
that
was
submitted
to
the
Commission
in
advance
of
this
hearing.
I
believe
each
of
you
received
that
on
Friday
the
20,
the
17th
of
February,
so
I
want
to
be
sure
that
that's
stated
for
the
record
and
that
it's
been
reviewed.
U
If
anyone
has
not
reviewed
that,
could
you
just
let
me
know
by
nodding
or
okay,
so
to
refresh
where
we
are.
The
hodc
has
submitted
a
modified
plan,
the
Five
Points
that
have
been
proposed
and
changed,
some
of
which
seem
to
be
Corrections
and
clarifications
still
don't
address
our
concerns.
I'm
not
going
to
take
the
time
to
rehash
all
of
our
objections.
Here.
U
The
commission
has
been
generous
with
its
time
and
hearing
our
concerns
from
the
last
hearing,
and
so
I
will
simply
summarize
our
position
on
some
of
the
points,
but
again
direct
you
to
our
written
testimony.
For
the
full
description
of
the
concerns,
all
of
which
point
to
a
finding
effect
by
the
commission
that
granting
the
variations
would
not
be
advisable,
and
so
we
therefore
recommend
that
they
all
be
denied.
U
The
changes
are
superficial,
they're,
small
nuances
to
a
behemoth
building
that
is,
in
our
view,
the
modified
plan
seems
to
distract
or
otherwise
purport
to
show
collaboration.
Unfortunately,
the
collaboration
has
not
has
not
occurred,
as
evidenced
by
testimony
heard
from
other
legal
stakeholders
here
in
this
room
and
at
the
previous
hearing
one
example
of
that
just
so
the
commission
is
aware
it
was
stated
that
we
that
we
requested
the
the
West
setback.
U
That
is
not
true.
It's
a
mischaracterization.
We
certainly
see
alternatives
to
how
the
building
can
be
constructed
and
we've
offered
that
in
our
written
testimony.
But
that
was
not
something
that
we
that
we
requested
getting
away
from.
The
concerns
of
that
gangway
could
certainly
be
things
like
using
that
space
for
play
areas
for
children
or
a
patio
for
residents
in
the
affordable
housing
units
to
gather
and
eat
outdoors.
U
So
that
was
that's
one
example
of
the
lack
of
collaboration
here.
Our
remaining
concerns
in
some
while
preserving
those
made
previously
are
the
water
infiltration
issues
due
to
the
increased
impervious
surface
coverage.
Structural
Integrity
concerns
remain
Monumental
to
us
due
to
our
historic
building
due
to
the
zero
foot
setback
between
the
adjoining
buildings.
Again,
this
was
remains
unchanged.
U
U
I'm
happy
to
summarize
to
our
intended
rear
garage,
affordable
dwelling,
Unit
safety,
concerns
of
residents,
employees
and
students
in
the
area
and
the
extreme
height
and
footprint
of
the
proposed
development
again,
which
have
affordable,
feasible
alternatives.
U
There
are
also
no
supporting
studies.
Despite
the
repeated
requests
for
this
development,
a
primary
concern
relating
to
storm
water
runoff.
There
hasn't
been
evidence
of
stormwater
management
or
maintenance
of
the
underground
storage,
underground
storage
tanks.
We
appreciate
the
testimony
on
those
storage
tanks,
but
we
noted
that
hodc's
budget
doesn't
contain
budgeted
amounts.
Does
that
designate
and
address
no
budgeted
amounts
designated
to
address
the
maintenance
of
the
underground
water
holding
tanks?
U
U
Lastly,
we
would
conclude
that
the
profit
drives
this
development
based
on
the
budget
proposed,
and
that
this
whole
purpose
is
to
extract
additional
income
based
on
the
materials
and
responses
indicated
that
there's
essentially
no
no
economical
alternative
for
the
Heights
or
less
of
a
setback.
I
do
have
comments
so
about
the
Mount
Pisgah
proposal
should
I
save
that
for
later,
okay,
so
I'll
to
close,
we
would
we
would.
We
would
request
that
the
the
land
use
commission
deny
all
variations.
Granting
them
will
not
solve
the
affordable
housing
issue.
U
A
A
A
Well,
we
can
still
close
the
record
and
you
can
still
talk
to
staff.
Okay,
procedural.
Y
Question
so
we
heard
everyone
we
heard
from
spoke
about
the
housing
part
of
this,
not
the
church.
So
are
we
going
to
continue
with
that?
You
know
comments
on
just
the
housing
and
then
reopen
the
comments
for
yes,.
Y
D
Okay,
I've
got
two
questions
for
staff.
The
first
is:
can
you
provide
some
discussion
about?
You
know
the
the
level
of
detail
that
we
have
for
zoning
and
and
this
application
is
not
does
not
include
final
engineering
or
other
material
that
would
be
required
for
permitting
so
and
then
further
for
larger
projects.
It's
been
the
practice
to
develop
a
construction
management
plan
to
help
ensure
that
that
adjacent
properties
are
not
adversely
impacted
and
you
can
go
on
streets.
Z
D
AA
Thank
you,
commissioner,
is
Sarah
flax,
interim
community
development
director.
We
have
added
approximately
55
units
of
affordable
rental
in
mostly
in
planned
developments
through
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
AA
AA
AA
We
have
examples
of
some
of
the
of
the
projects
that
again
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
of
projects
the
Masonic
temple
is
has
inclusionary
units
The
Varsity,
Theater
Redevelopment
has
inclusionary
units.
The
building
being
built
on
the
Vogue
site
has
inclusionary
units
the,
but
there
are
also
some
planned
developments
that
are
sitting
they
have
been
approved,
but
they
are
not
under
construction
at
this
point,
part
of
that's
the
financing
and
the
supply
chain
issues.
Still
that
includes
the
Chicago
Avenue,
where
the
Autobarn
was
that
has
inclusionary
units.
AA
The
city
is
also
in
the
process
of
working
with
a
developer
on
a
60
unit
project
on
a
city-owned
parking
lot
and
an
adjacent
property,
that's
owned
by
the
housing
authority
on
which
they
have
two
three
excuse
me,
four
town
home
units,
family
units
that
is
will
be
submitted
shortly
for
going
through
its
entitlement
project.
It's
process
that
project
had
its
qpa,
which
is
the
first
stage
of
funding
tax
credit
funding,
approved
and
just
recently
submitted
their
full
application
for
tax
credit
funding.
AA
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
going
on
that
project's
in
the
Third
Ward.
If
I'm
correct.
Yes,
it
is
thank
you.
It's
on
South,
Boulevard,
just
east
of
Chicago
and
adjacent
to
the
at
where
Hinman
dead
ends.
A
E
I
do
have
a
another
question
for
staff
if
the
two
projects
were
to
be
approved
and
were
to
be
constructed
at
the
same
time,
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
activity
at
that
site.
Are
you
planning
to
share
a
contractor
between
the
two
entities
and,
if
you're
doing
separate
contractors,
how?
G
If
the
two
projects
are
under
construction
at
the
same
time,
then
both
projects
would
both
be
required
to
have
construction
management
plan
and
that
plan
would
need
to
coordinate
between
the
both
projects.
The
the
contractors,
the
applicants,
all
those
activities
would
need
to
be
coordinated
through
that
process,
and
so
it
would
primarily
be
handled
through
the
building
division,
side
and
and
the
manager
who
oversees
those
activities.
V
Yeah
and
just
to
speak
from
my
understanding
of
communications
provided
by
applicants
for
the
Mount
piska
Project
they're,
using
a
different
contractor
than
the
hodc
project,
a
general
contractor.
F
F
AA
In
some
cases
it's
available
land.
Some
of
you
may
remember
that
there
was
a
16
unit,
affordable
development
constructed
about
three
years
ago.
I
think
it
was
at
the
corner
of
pitner
and
Dempster,
and
one
of
the
questions
was
well.
Why
is
this
housing
being
put
here,
and
one
of
the
answers
is
because
that's
where
the
Builder,
the
housing
opportunities
for
women
was
able
to
acquire
a
property
that
would
allow
that
kind
of
building.
AA
There
really
are
not
a
lot
of
large
Lots
in
some
warts.
There
are
that's
one
of
the
reasons
the
city
is
looking
at
parking
lots
that
are
underutilized
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
The
lot
one
as
it's
known
is
being
used
for
affordable
housing.
It's
the
goal
of
the
city
to
distribute
affordable
housing
throughout
the
community.
AA
There
are
some
zoning
changes
that
will
have
to
be
made
to
make
to
facilitate
that,
just
as
there
are
additional
zoning
changes
that
need
to
be
made
in
a
number
of
parts
to
facilitate
of
the
city,
to
facilitate
additional
development
to
effectively
generate
affordable
housing
cost
is
a
huge,
huge
Factor.
AA
One
of
the
reasons
one
of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
was
the
eths
houses
are
all
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
We
actually
have
one
lot
now,
that's
in
the
second
ward
that
is
going
to
be
become
one
but
the
reality.
There
is
a
number
of
those
lots
that
became
affordable
housing.
Eths
houses
were
acquired
through
the
neighborhood
stabilization
program.
Grant
and
properties
were
demolished
and
not
all
rebuilt
at
that
time
due
to
financing,
but
that
got
ownership
which
I
hear
is
a
high
demand
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
AA
So
they
are
affordable,
but
they
are
affordable
to
households
up
to
120
percent
of
area
median,
although
most
of
them
have
been
sold
to
households
at
or
below
the
area
median.
So
that
is
one
of
the
ways
we
have
been
attempting
to
develop
ownership
housing
in
an
area
where
it's
clearly
something
that
people
desire.
AA
One
of
the
challenges
to
developing
ownership,
housing
that
is
Affordable
is
there
is
no
ready
source
of
funding
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit
which,
by
the
way,
is
not
Public
Funding.
It
is
a
way
the
federal
government
provides
a
tax
benefit
to
people
who
invest
money
in
affordable
housing.
That's
why
tax
credit
projects
are
are
handled
the
way
they
are
they're
they're,
it's
a
very
rigorous
and
regimented
process,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
required
for
that
housing.
AA
Green
elements.
That's
those
types
of
things
are
built
into
the
Illinois
Housing
Development
authorities
requirements
to
even
get
funding.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
you
can
look
at
the
cost
and
say
it
could
be
cheaper.
On
the
other
hand,
it
that
building
will
also
meet
our
City's
climate
action
plan
goals
and
other
things
that
and
provide
high
quality,
affordable
housing
to
people
in
need.
I
hope.
That's
helpful.
F
AB
Excuse
me,
this
is
actually
a
question
for
staff.
The
it's
regarding
the
eliminating
one
short
loading
birth
and
you
know,
subject
to
parking
services
and
Public
Works
agency
approval.
Has
there
been
any
conversation
about
that
at
this
point,
or
does
that
typically
not
come
until
later.
G
If
this
plan
is
approved,
that
the
specific
details
of
how
that
how
those
would
operate
would
need
to
be
figured
out,
so
there
may
be
specific
times
of
the
day
or
the
week
that
they're
used
for
loading
and
then
they
revert
back
to
street
parking.
So
those
details
would
need
to
be
worked
out,
but
Parking
Services
is
aware,
and
they
have
not
objected
to
that.
AB
And
was
their
position
the
same
regarding
the
church
not
having
a
loading
birth,
correct.
G
S
D
Sure
I'll
start
I've
thought
a
lot
about
this
pro
project.
I've
driven
the
neighborhood
I've,
you
know
really
kind
of
looked
at.
You
know.
I,
certainly
you
know
am
aware
of
the
long-standing
interest
in
in
neighborhood
Improvement
and
home
ownership
in
the
Fifth
Ward,
but
I
I
believe
that
this
this
project
is
something
that
I
I
support
and
I
look
at
it
from
not
so
much
the
housing
lens
as
the
benefit
that
44
new
households
will
have
for
the
church
and
Dodge
business
area.
D
That's
44,
000,
more
households
that
can
shop
locally
and
I
think
that
that
that's
a
positive
benefit
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
and
the
community
and
making
sure
that
those
that
business
district
remains
viable
with
respect
to
the
proposed
subdivision
and
land
swap
I
think
that
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
make
sure
that
the
commercial
spaces
are
adjacent
to
the
other
retail
spaces
so
and
I
and
I.
D
Concur
that
I
think
that
the
the
taller
you
know
putting
the
top
the
taller
building
toward
the
center
of
the
block
makes
sense
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that's
really
important
that
you
know
I
agree
that
that
vacant
land
has
been
vacant
for
decades
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
real
important
to
do
is
to
demonstrate
that
that
new
development
can
happen
along
Church
Street,
it's
a
highly
visible
location
and
and
I
think
that
that
in
in
the
long
run
you
know
this
is
a
a
project
that
the
city
has
been
pursuing
for
a
number
of
years.
D
The
RFP
was
done
in
I,
guess
what
2020
and
there
were
Community
meetings
that
preceded
that,
and
you
know
I
think
I.
Think
it's
it's
important.
The
height
doesn't
bother
me.
You
know.
The
height
is
something
that
that
has
happened
in
in
with
developments
that
we've
approved.
You
know
the
Vogue
fabric
property
was
you
know
that
height
variation
was
granted
for
that
on
noise
Street,
you
know
really
kind
of
where
stacked
and
folded
is
across
from
D
and
D.
That
was
a
project
that
you
know.
D
Frankly,
I
was
one
of
the
people
who
you
know
objected
to
the
the
height
variation,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
you
know
it
fits
in
just
fine
with
that
street.
So
I,
you
know
I
think
there's
there's
a
tendency
to
kind
of
worry
about.
You
know
you.
Maintaining
the
status
quo
is
something
that
most
people
want
to
do
and
I
think
in
this
case
to
further
the
the
create
a
positive
image
on
that
on
that
block.
E
That
makes
a
huge
difference
in
looking
at
a
project
like
this.
The
challenge
is
that
the
site
is
pretty
small
for
the
programs
of
both
buildings,
and
that
means
that
the
variations
that
are
requested
are
really
numerous
and
far
more
numerous
than
you
would
usually
expect.
E
E
If
you
were
doing
this
on
Chicago
Avenue,
the
residents
would
probably
give
you
fruit.
Baskets
they'd
be
very
happy
with
that,
but
this
isn't
Chicago
Avenue
and
this
isn't
downtown,
and
so
the
height
can
be
problematic.
It
wouldn't
bother
me
so
much
if
the
bulk
of
the
buildings
weren't
so
big
both
buildings
require
almost
zero
setbacks
in
order
for
that
site
to
work,
and
that
includes
even
the
ziggurat
setback
at
the
third
floor.
E
The
third
story
in
the
housing,
so
that
has
the
effect
of
creating
very
monolithic
structures
and
it
pushes
everything
towards
Church
Street
and
that
doesn't
really
complement
the
existing
streetscape
very
much
and
it
doesn't
really
seem
to
connect
with
the
community
I'm
also
concerned
by
the
lack
of
a
designated
drop-off
area,
you're
going
to
be
adding
a
whole
number
of
units
and
they
have
visitors,
they
have
families
as
well
and
I
do
not
see
that
I
do
not
see
those
two
spots
or
three
spots
in
front
of
the
building
to
really
work
effectively.
E
I
think
if
the
program
could
be
tightened
up,
you
could
make
this
site
work,
but
right
now
the
size
of
the
building's
just
rub
up
against
the
realities
of
this
specific
site
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
zoning
and
I.
Don't
think
that
represents
the
least
deviation
possible.
AC
AC
AC
AC
That,
for
me,
is
I
will
call
it
unsatisfactory
in
many
regards
it
is
too
bulky,
it
is
too
high
and
if
we
look
a
little
bit
deeper
in
the
zoning
parameters,
I
will
compare
this
to
the
underlying
zoning
District,
which
is
B2,
and
it
has
far
of
two
zero
I
know.
The
overlay
District
does
not
have
a
limit
in
the
far,
but
currently
this
building
has
an
AVR
of
about
3.5,
so
it
is
almost
twice
what
is
allowed
in
other
areas
of
the
B2
zoning
District
and
by
saying
that
it
has
other.
AC
This
is
something
that
bothers
me.
It
is
affordable.
Housing,
yes,
I
know
that,
but
it
is
Affordable,
but
it
has
to
be
comfortable.
It
I
I,
doubt
it
so.
The
other
issue
that
as
I
have
is
that
we
talk
many
times
about
this
area
and
the
residents
they
ask
the
question:
where
is
where
our?
Where
is
the
commercial
space
from
Sixteen
thousand
square
feet
of
total
space?
In
this
building?
We
have
like
about
4
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
AC
AD
AD
AB
I
am
in
support
of
this
project.
I
do
feel
that
it
meets
the
standards
for
approval.
My
only
concern
was
a
small
concern
about
the
the
loading
birth
because
it
seems
to
be
somewhat
of
an
issue
across
the
city
of
the
increase
in
deliveries
and
delivery
vehicles
using
up
blocking
the
public
way,
but
if
the
parking
services
and
Public
Public
Works
seem
to
think
that
this
is
a
workable
solution
to
what
the
the
project
has
proposed,
then
my
concern
is
is
about
that
is
satisfied.
AB
C
F
I'm,
frankly,
somewhat
torn
and
I
suspect
many
of
the
Commissioners
are
as
well
because,
on
the
one
hand,
there's
a
real
need
for
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
and
you
know
the
city
has
what
it
has.
It
has
the
properties
that
it
has.
It
has
the
available
space
that
it
has
and
at
least
as
we
heard
from
City
staff,
a
lot
of
it
is
in
the
in
the
Fifth
Ward,
and
so,
if
we're
want
to
deal
with
the
real
issue
of
affordable
housing
and
it's
real
in
this
city,
you
have
to
go
over.
F
The
opportunities
are
to
put
in
place,
affordable
housing.
On
the
other
hand,
I
am
sympathetic
to
some
of
the
comments
about
the
size.
The
setbacks.
F
Traffic
issues
ETC,
and
so
you
know
we're
kind
of
personally
if
I'm
sort
of
sort
of
50
50.
but
I
think
on
balance.
I
was
particularly
moved
by
our
commissioner
from
The
Fifth,
Ward
I.
Think
on
balance.
I
would
I
would
support
this
project
because
of
the
because
of
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
some
of
the
realities
we
face
in
terms
of
where
that
housing
can
be
placed
due
to
property
availability
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
a
for
me.
F
E
I'll
just
make
one
last
comment,
which
is
we've.
We
have
heard
a
lot
about
how
Zoni
may
become
have
to
become
more
flexible
in
the
future
to
address
affordable
housing
issues
in
the
city,
but
I
will
say
the
issue
right
now
is
that
we
have
the
zoning
code
that
we
have
and
I
think
zoning
can
be
flexible,
but
I
also
think
developers
need
to
be
flexible
and
looking
at
the
program
and
in
trying
to
understand
what
changes
substantive
changes
can
help
make
it
complement
the
community
a
little
bit
better.
E
A
Through
okay
I
think
that's
all
the
Commissioners
I'll
offer
My
Views
I
I'm,
there's
so
many
aspects
of
this
project
that
are
good
and
bad
I
agree
with
the
commissioner's
statements
that
well
I'll
just
say
personally,
I
think
the
each
variance
that's
being
proposed
or
the
variation
is
being
requested
individually,
I
think
is
not
so
egregious,
but
taken
as
a
whole.
A
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
the
project
doesn't
fit
with.
The
current
streetscape
and
is
is
is,
is,
is
bulky
and
out
of
out
of
out
of
context,
I
I'm
very
eager
for
an
an
empty
lot
to
be
developed,
especially
after
so
much
time
and
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
public
benefits
that
would
come
with
the
project.
However,
I
think
the
the
biggest
problem
I
have
with
this
is
that
one
once
you
approve
a
project,
even
if
it's
a
certain
percentage,
you
know
good.
A
Even
on
balance,
you
now
no
longer
have
an
opportunity
to
do
anything
else
and
I
think
that
lost
opportunity.
Cost
has
to
be
considered
and
I.
Think
the
I
think
this
the
site
would
be
better
served
if
it
had
something
community-owned,
Community,
Based,
something
that
was
something
that
in
that
in
that
Realm,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
the
project.
With
that
I'm
going
to
read
I'm
going
to
review
the
standards
of
approval.
A
Excuse
me
the
standards
for
approval
I'm,
going
to
do
it
in
a
way
that,
based
on
what
I've
heard
amongst
the
balance
of
the
Commissioners,
what
I
think
the
consensus
is
from
opinions
I'm
hearing
up
here,
if,
if
you
disagree
after
I've
made
my
summary,
then
please
speak
up
for
the
record
and
then
after
that
we'll
have
a
motion
and
a
vote.
C
A
Okay
standards
for
approval,
the
proposed
development
must
follow
the
standards
for
major
variations,
section
63812.e
for
major
variations.
The
language
commission
must
find
number
one.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
Of
course,
this
hinges
on
the
the
subjective
terms
of
substantial
adverse
impact.
I
think
for
that
standard
in
particular,
I
will
say
that
it
is
met
based
on
the
balance
of
community
benefits
that
it
is
providing
for
number
two.
The
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
The
the
the
the
zoning
type
being
requested
does
fit
the
the
the
use
that's
allotted
for
this
zoned
area,
and
it's,
and
also
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
comprehensive
plan
for
developing
empty
lots.
The
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
The
it's
an
empty
lot,
so
so
the
the
balance
of
the
balance
of
variations
being
sought
are
going
to
go
overboard.
What
is
even
even
able
to
have
happen
on
the
lot?
So
there's
nothing,
but
a
lot
in
particular.
That's
preventing
a
more
modest
plan.
D
I
think
I
disagree
with
that,
since
I
I
think
that
that
standard
is
met
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
this
is
a
city
lot
that
the
city
has
indicated,
they
would
like
to
see
developed
with
either
a
mixed
use
or
iconic
Corner
building
and
we've
had
testimony
concerning
the
the
the
in
part,
the
basis
of
the
proposed
mixed-use
development,
and
the
financing
of
that
requires
really
a
bigger
lot
to
accommodate
the
proposed
program.
So
I
think
that
it
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
Property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
if
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out.
The
property
owner
in
this
case
is
not
suffering
a
particular
hardship
and
therefore
the
variances
seem
seem
excessive.
D
However,
yeah
we've
had
testimony
that,
in
order
to
comply
with
the
zoning
requirements
at
either,
smaller
units
would
need
to
be
built
or
the
project
wouldn't
be
built
at
all
and
that
smaller
units
would
would
mean
that
we
would
not
have
the
family
housing.
That's
being
proposed.
The
two
and
three
unit,
three
two
and
three
bedroom
units,
but.
A
The
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
It's
not
that's
only
not
only
the
sole
benefit
for
the
project.
The
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
interest
in
the
property.
A
The
lot
has
been
vacant
for
many
years,
and
nobody
intentionally
created
that
the
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use
Commission
before
lands,
commission
issues
its
decision
or
recommendation
to
the
city
councils.
Regarding
said,
variation,
I,
don't
believe
this
is
met.
It's
not
the
least
deviation
from
what's
available
on
that
on
that
lot,.
E
A
Okay,
those
are
the
standards,
any
other
commentary
on
how
I've
summarized
the
standards.
Okay,
with
that
can
I.
Please
have
a
motion
in
the
affirmative,
verse,
4
procedure,
procedural
sake,
so
it's
clear
to
all
Commissioners
how
they're
voting,
either
for
or
against
a
positive
motion.
D
I'm
sorry
I'd
like
to
recommend
approval
of
the
major
variations
requested
for
18
11
to
18
Church
Street
case
22zm.
D
D
All
right
so
move
approval
of
the
major
variations
requested
for
18
11
to
1815
Church
Street
case
22zm
nv-0092.
D
Are
they
to
reduce
the
required
front
yard
setback
from
five
feet
to
zero
feet?
Let's
see
where
am
I
supposed
to
be?
D
The
reducing
the
required
East
and
West
interior
side
yard
setbacks
from
five
feet
to
zero
feet,
increase
the
maximum
permitted
impervious
surface
coverage
from
90
percent
plus
five
percent
is
semi-imperious
surface
to
99.7
percent
of
the
lot
area
eliminate
the
required
eight
foot
setback
at
the
third
story.
D
Commission
meeting
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
the,
including
the
following
conditions
that
were
recommended
with
staff
and
then
I
have
one
of
my
own
approval
of
the
SAS
plan
of
subdivision
establishing
new
property
lines,
compliance
with
green
building
and
bird
Flint
friendly
or
ordinances
compliant
with
compliance
with
rental
registration
requirements.
Rooftop
mechanical
equipment
to
comply
with
the
maximum
permitted
sound
level
at
the
property
line
and
including
the
applicant
is
encouraged
to
use
equipment.
That
does
not
need
sound
to
attenuation
modifications.
D
If
exterior
lighting
is
proposed,
a
photometric
plan
is
required
at
the
time
of
building
permit
submittal,
showing
light
levels
at
the
property
line.
Exterior
lighting
is
not
declare
or
a
spill
onto
adjacent
properties,
parking
services
and
Public
Works
agency
approval
for
the
on-street
loading
zone,
replace
any
sidewalks
or
displaced
during
construction,
provide,
stop
control
and
stop
bar
at
access
drives
for
Northbound
site
traffic.
D
Exiting
onto
the
alley
along
the
north
side
of
the
development
site,
provide
bike,
storage
or
racks
for
both
residents
and
Commercial
uses
in
the
hodc
project,
run
an
auto
turn
to
examine
turning
operations
at
the
new
access
drive
and
and
approval
of
a
construction
management
plan
to
adjust
potential
impacts
to
1817
Church
property
and
coordination
with
adjacent
property
owners
and
I'd
like
to
you
know
include
in
that
request
that
the
neighboring
properties
be
kept
informed
and
involved
in
the
development
of
the
project
of
the
construction
management
plan.
I
think
that's
it.
Thank.
AD
Second,
but
can
I
also
add
a
suggestion.
It's
not
necessarily
A
h,
condition
a
condition.
Is
there
any
way
to
put
a
a
green
roof
on
this
building
to
be
able
to
cut
down
on
the
impervious
surface
on
that
roof?.
D
G
AD
Because
we're
already
making
it
an
all-electric,
you
know
no
gas.
So
if
there's
somehow
to
be
able
to
put
a
green
roof
that
would
cut
down
on
the
the
heat
I.
Guess
the
concentration
on
that
building,
because
it's
so
overwhelming
I
guess
the
size
of
it.
Yeah.
AD
Right
no
I
understand
that,
but
if
you
add
to
that
a
green
roof
one
you
would
also
have
you
know
the
same
tenants
that
you
would
have
you
could
also
be
able
to
they.
Could
they
be
able
to
Garden
and
just
be
able
to
do
something
a
little
bit
more
with
that
with
that
roof
area?.
D
AD
We
then
add
as
a
not
a
con,
see
I
don't
know
if
it
should
be
a
condition.
Well
then,
I.
A
Yeah,
yes,
okay
with
the
motion
and
the
second
can
we
please
have
a
vote.
F
AC
A
So
I
have
four
in
the
affirmative
and
three
in
the
negative,
so
this
this
body
is
making
a
positive
recommendation
to
city
council.
A
Are
now
going
to
move
on
to
the
second
case
on
the
1801
1805
Church
Street
project
on
the
mount
pisca
Ministry?
And
finally,
it's
your
turn
in
the
spotlight.
Could
you
please
come.
AE
A
Up
and
state
your
name
and
describe
your
project
for
us.
A
Oh,
thank
you.
Yes,
let's
first
have
staff
read
the
read
the
case
into
the
record.
G
Instead
to
provide
occupied
space
behind
a
building
parapet.
Cap
type
or
occupied
space
is
not
permitted
to
eliminate
the
required
one
short
loading
birth
and
to
increase
the
yard
obstruction
on
the
street
corner
side
from
10
percent
to
40
percent
for
exterior
fins
and
vertical
trellis
to
eliminate
the
required
three
to
four
foot
tall,
Steel
or
PVC
picket
fence
around
the
parking
area
in
order
to
construct
a
three-story
building
for
a
religious
institution
with
both
on-site
and
least
Upstate
parking
I
should
know
this.
AF
AF
A
year
later,
we
brought
the
1811
building
at
this
point
because
of
the
the
building
and
all
of
the
restrictions.
That's
on
the
building
for
us
to
try
to
increase
our
ministry
Effectiveness
in
the
community.
We
would
have
to
tear
down
that
building
and
rebuild.
AF
Just
one
thing
is
that
we
we
proposed
to
have
a
soup
kitchen
prior
to
covid-19
years
prior
to
covid-19,
but
we
could
not
have
it,
because
our
building
could
not
be
accommodated
for
the
the
city
codes,
which
requires
Municipal
Amendment,
the
Minimus,
the
municipal
codes,
meaning
that
it
had
to
be
have
a
commercial
kitchen,
etc,
etc.
Et
cetera,
all
those
things
had
to
be
met,
so
we
just
didn't
have
the
space
to
do
that,
so
we
could
not
accommodate
a
soup
kitchen.
AF
At
that
time
we
were
handing
out
food
a
long
time
before
covid-19
again,
because
we,
in
conjunction
with
the
city
of
Northbrook
post
office,
Department,
was
receiving
canned
goods
that
the
post
office
had
a
program
that
they
were
asking
their
their
City,
the
people
all
of
their
constituents
there
in
the
city
of
Northbrook
to
hand
have
canned
goods
handed
out
and
because
they
didn't
have
a
need
for
it.
I
had
a
test
happened
to
know
someone
who
was
at
the
post
office
and
they
asked
if
we
could
do
that
for
them,
and
we
did.
AF
We
did
that
for
three
or
four
years
as
long
as
they
were
doing
it
we
also
hand
out,
as
a
part
of
our
ministry,
we
hand
out
free
clothing.
We
started
handing
out
free
clothing
a
lot
longer.
Then
I
can't
even
remember
the
years
that
we
started
doing
that
for
people
who
needed
it,
and
also
we
were
part
of
the
West
Side
Evanston
Market.
AF
We
our
church,
held
all
of
the
the
hardware
that
they
needed
for
that
that
West
Side
Market
every
Saturday
during
the
summer,
along
with
Pastor
zali
Webb
Who,
was
the
person
who
was
in
charge
of
that
that
West
Side
Market,
so
we've
been
visible
in
the
community
for
for
many
many
years,
and
we
realized
that
church
is
a
special
usage
and
as
such,
we
would
ask
that
you
would
consider
that
we
have
already
approached
the
high
school
to
ask
them
for
if
we
would
be
able
to
use
some
of
their
outspaces
Sundays.
AF
If
attendance
increased
to
the
point
that
we
would
need
extra
parking
spaces
and
they
have
agreed
that
we
could
use
the
parking
space
directly
south
of
Church
Street,
going
straight
down.
Darrow
Avenue
and
we've
also
approached
Bethel
Church
that
we
could
use
the
parking
spaces.
In
the
event
we
had
a
funeral
or
a
wedding
on
any
other
day
other
than
Sunday,
also
The
Seventh-Day
Adventist
Church,
who
don't
have
church
on
Sundays.
We
would
have
access
to
that
parking
lot
as
well.
So
we've
done
our
due
diligence
and
we
don't
we
don't.
AF
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
don't
we
don't
want
to
make
people
have
to
have
to
go
all
over
the
place
and
look
for
a
parking
space.
So
we've
we've
made
our
membership
the.
If
you
will
assume
the
burden
of
finding
a
parking
space
further
from
the
church
than
then
then
they
would
just
normally
have
to
walk
on
those
days
that
we
would
need
those
parking
spaces,
and
so
we
want
to
continue
our
ministry
there.
We
can.
AF
We
can
do
a
greater
job,
we
can
do
better
and
we
can
do
more
services
to
the
community
once
our
church
is
erected,
and
so
we
ask
you
to
please
carefully
consider
that
the
churches
have
always
been
and
I
realize
that
people
are
not
as
Church
conscious
today
as
they
were
years
and
years
ago.
But
the
church
has
always
been
the
Hubble
Community.
Whenever
there's
a
funeral
and
there's
and
there's
a
an
opportunity
for
the
people
to
use
churches,
they
usually
use
churches
other
than
that.
AF
The
alternative
has
always
been
to
use
this
to
funeral
homes
whenever
there's
a
wedding.
I
get
so
many
different
requests
for
weddings
people
who
are
not
even
a
part
of
the
commit
of
the
of
our
church
community
and
I've
had
weddings
there
for
people
who
are
not
part
of
our
church
community.
So
the
church
has
always
been
the
Hub
of
the
community
and
the
conscious
of
the
community,
so
I
I
I
just
asked.
AF
If
you
would
just
please
consider
these
things
for
our
ministry
to
be
able
to
continue
to
do
the
great
work
that
we've
been
doing
even
far
into
the
future
and
I
have
with
me
an
architect,
because
I
don't
understand
any
of
that.
The
technical
stuff
that
you're
going
to
ask
and
and
how
we're
going
to
do
this
and
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
But
we
hired
a
very
reputable.
AF
Police,
forgive
me
73
years
old
and
my
first
thing
that
goes
away
is
the
mind.
So
we
hire
a
very
repetitive
architect:
Mr
Ben
Suzuki
and
Matt
Kidd
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
him
if
he
would
stand
here
and
if
you
have
any
questions
about
our
building
or
if
you
want
to
say
something
before
we
started
right,
good.
C
Y
I
have
a
question
for
the
pastor
and
I
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
on
this.
You
know
this
board
slightly
recommended
the
other
project,
the
housing
project,
but
it's
going
to
go
to
City,
Council
and
city
council
can
can
make
a
decision.
If
the
city
council
says
no
to
the
housing
project.
What
happens
to
your
project.
AF
Well,
as
a
part
of
our
project
in
the
very
beginning,
with
our
memo
of
understanding
there
were
when,
when
the
art
of
Chief
first
came
out,
it
was
two
two
people
who
approached
the
city
to
do
the
job
of
developing
that
property,
Mount,
Pisgah
and
hodc.
AF
This
the
the
contract
or
the
nod,
was
given
to
hodc,
but
hodc
asked
if
we
could
do
it
develop
together,
since
we
wanted
to
have
a
new
building,
and
so
we
said
okay,
but
only
if
the
city
of
the
City
of
Evanston
allowed
just
that
property
and
so
that
we
can
build
there.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
then
they
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
revert
back
to
with
the
plan
that
they
would
get
just
go
back
to
the
corner.
So.
S
Y
All
right,
I
have
another
question.
You
know
I
understand
the
on
the
housing,
the
performa,
the
size
of
the
building
is
directly
related
to
the
rents
and
all
that
number
of
units
and
all
that,
but
a
church
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
it
doesn't
have
that
issue.
Y
So
how
did
you
come
up
with
your
program
and
why
didn't
you
initially
just
say
hey:
this
is
the
zoning
envelope.
This
is
what's
allowed,
let's
fit
our
program
into
that
zoning
envelope.
Y
In
other
words,
why
did
you
feel
like
you
had
to
come
to
us
and
ask
for
more,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
a
pro
forma
or
or
or
anything
like
that?
It
was
just
what
you
wanted.
So
how
do
you
justify
that.
AF
Yeah,
what
we,
what
we
want,
sir,
is
to
try
to
increase
our
size
so
that
we
can
accomplish
more
with
the
ministry
and
in
order
to
do
that,
as
you
said,
we
don't
have
the
funds
that
we
need.
People
and
the
building
that
we're
proposing
to
build
is
going
to
be
a
200
seat
facility
with
200
people.
That
building
is
really
not
that
large,
based
upon
the
size
of
churches
in
the
city
of
Edison.
AF
Already,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
would
still
be
very
small,
and
so,
but
in
order
for
us
to
do
that
and
have
an
iconic
building,
something
that
would
be
would
lend
itself
to
the
community
as
something
that
to
be
proud
of
for
the
City
of
Evanston.
We
want
to.
We
want
to
build
something
that
that
will
be
an
iconic
building.
That's
what
the
City
of
Evanston
should
go
in
that
corner
and
that
it
would
be
an
asset
to
the
City
of
Evanston
yeah.
Y
AF
That
this
actually
would
have
to
be
in
the
what
the
Architects
give
us.
We
we
we're
now
here
trying
to
to
try
to
make
you
do
anything
to
try
to
make
you
change
at
all.
We
would
ask
you
to
help
us
to
do
what
we
would
like
to
do,
but
again,
and
also
whatever
God,
will
that's
what
we
will.
Y
Do
yeah,
is
it
people
these?
These
cases
come
to
us
and,
and
many
of
them
ask
for
additional
height
or
you
know,
no
setbacks
and
I
just
have
to
ask
every
one
of
them.
Why?
Why
are
you
going
above
the
above
the
zoning
and
a
lot
of
times,
there's
very
good
reasons,
and
we
approve
that,
but
I
just
had
to
ask
you
that.
AE
AE
AE
So
not
only
for
that.
Actually,
200
seat
is
not
the
big
church,
but
the
community
service.
We
talk
about
many
many
Church
amenities
and,
as
he
mentioned,
one
of
his
passion
is
to
serve
community
so
that
that
program
came
from
his
vision
of
serving
community
locally
and
original
proposal.
We
had
many
community
service
element
sharing
not
only
with
the
church
but
with
the
development
of
senior
retirement
unit,
and
we
saw
the
previous
blueprint
which
Mount
Pisgah
approached
to
different
architect,
and
there
were
like
about
three
to
four
iteration
of
the
design
solution.
AE
Comply
and
integrate
his
vision
into
that
single
Church
in
a
case
that
the
development
is
not
allowed
and
that's
why
it's
going
to
go
to
different
Developers,
but
Church
really
wanted
to
have
a
core
program
to
serve
Community
which
he
has
been
serving
for
about
out
of
the
existing
facilities
for
45
years.
Okay,.
AC
AE
Feet
because
aesthetically
in
terms
of
proportion
and
combined
with
the
program
necessitated
to
serve
the
community
outreach
program,
Christian
education
and
so
many
other
things
that
we
needed
some
kind
of
a
church
steeple
like
the
church.
Usually
traditional
interpretation
of
a
church
comes
with
the
church's
people
and
if
you
look
at
the
Chicago
and
the
lake,
you
know
that
that
the
common
first
president
of
the
Lake
Street
Church,
you
can
see
that
the
soaring
iconic
element
of
the
church
so
we're
not
really
far
off
from
the
traditional
interpretation
of
church.
AE
That's
the
reason
why
and
and
again
that
absurd
roof
with
the
information
we
have
is
a
34
feet
and
then
right
next
to
it.
AE
We,
you
know
our
actual
height
of
the
roof
is
a
39
feet,
so
34
versus
39,
but
we
elevated
the
so-called
some
kind
of
entrance
canopy
and
that
shell
protruding
four
more
feet
a
few
more
feet
that
we're
considering
the
maybe
that
could
support
a
passive
solar
panel
and
so
many
other
things.
So
those
are
the
reasons
why
there
it's
just
not
the
one
thing.
There
are
many
many
reasons
and
it's.
The
city
reacted,
the
API
reacted
as
a
three-story
but
facing
up
to
the
Church
Street.
AE
AC
AE
AE
and
then
12.,
okay,
okay
and
then
one
more
things
that
if
you
look
at
the
back
alley,
elevation,
that's
a
simple.
You
know
how
can
I
say
the
cake
stack
that
15
feet
and
15
feet
of
the
total
of
30
feet.
AC
AE
Why
I'm
asking
about
these
questions?
We
consider
the
modifying
it,
but
it
takes
for
a
while,
because
the
proportion
is
going
to
affect
the
overall.
AE
AE
Our
practice
it
is
possible
if
we
could
develop
just
the
entire
site
as
a
one
project,
but
unfortunately
this
is
a
two
separate
project
in
my
understanding,
so
there's
still
some
confusion
going
on,
we
don't
share
same
general
contractor.
We
do
have
a
different
time
plan
table
for
this
particular
project
and
then
actually
I
send
email
to
Michael
that
you
know.
Is
there
any
way
to
just
you
know,
vote
I
mean
we
go
first
and
then
just
to
go
through
the
affair
here
and
just
like
we're
having
now.
Finally,.
AF
AE
Right,
I'm,
sorry!
So,
right
now
we
we
can
as
we
as
Pastor
Cliff
mentioned,
that
you,
if
he's
got
okay,
no.
S
O
AE
AF
Worries
that
usually
happens.
Oh
I'm.
Sorry,
thank
you.
That's
what
usually
happens
when,
when
churches
are
in
session
things
change,
it's
fluid,
it's
very
fluid,
and
so
sometimes
we'll
we'll
say
hey.
You
know
what,
rather
than
you
just
depending
on
the
front,
to
drop
off
people
as
long
as
we
can
and
we
try
to
make
those
spaces
available
for
people
who
are,
of
course
who
who
need
who
need
assistance,
and
so
we
probably
would
do
that.
Okay,.
Y
Regarding
timing,
we
talked
in
the
about
the
last
project
of
what
would
happen
if
the
two
projects
were
built
at
the
same
time,
but
you
indicated
that
your
schedule
is
different
than
the
housing
project,
so
my
question
is
broader
than
that:
it's
do
you
still
have
to
raise
funds.
What's
your
schedule
on
that?
Y
AF
Not
that
technical,
but
I
do
know
that
if
we
have
to
open
up
space
for
to
bring
water
into
the
building,
that
could
be
a
shared
cost,
a
shared
cost
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
we
could
do
at
the
same
time
and
yeah.
We
we
totally
intend
to
build
our
building
and
have
it
up
not
necessarily
at
maybe
at
the
same
speed
as
they're
going,
but
we
won't
have
a
open
space
out
there.
No
sir,
how.
Y
Y
It's
it's
not,
but
I'm
just
curious,
because
I
mean
I
think
when
we
approve
these
projects
we
expect
them
to
be
in
the
city,
expects
them
to
be
built
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
I
think
what
is
it?
Isn't
it
a
year
before
you
a
year,
the
city
gives
each
project
a
year
before
they,
then
they
have
to
come
back
and
renew
renew
their
application.
That.
A
Hearing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
C
A
C
I
I
If
I
wanted
to
build
a
house
as
big
as
I
wanted
and
if
I
had
unlimited
money,
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
so,
and
I
I
fully
expect
that
a
church
shouldn't
be
able
to
come
in
and
infringe
on
all
of
our
neighbors
joy
and
happiness.
You
know
if
it's
within
the
standards,
then
so
be
it
that
that
makes
sense,
but
the
sheer
scale
of
this
church
doesn't
fit
its
plot.
I
I
Doing
good
in
the
community
doesn't
require
monolithics
church
and
four
million
dollar
structure.
That
goes
against
zoning,
not
to
mention
its
dubious
and
complicated
relationship
is
a
stepping
stone
for
the
other
project.
One
thing
that
continues
to
confuse
me
is
why
the
church
in
hdodc
Project
are
tied
together.
Transparency
and
honesty,
going
hand
in
hand,
and
it's
hard
to
find
that
here
the
church
has
been
there
for
decades
and
could
have
made
our
Innovations
or
extensions
at
any
time
to
attract
a
larger
congregation.
I
Why
is
it
only
planning
these
now
in
conjunction
with
the
atoc
project,
why
this
sudden
push
for
a
building
that
is
vastly
larger
than
its
original
scale
and
I'm
asking
you
to
investigate
this
to
think
about
why
this
has
been
so
opaque
and
so
convoluted,
and
to
please
treat
the
church
as
a
private
business,
approaching
you
and
enforce
the
zoning
and
variances.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
J
J
So
that's
why
they
go
hand
in
hand,
and
he
won't
say
how
much
money
he
has
to
build
this
project
right
now.
So,
yes,
it
may
be
a
vacant
lot
steal
and
you
all
are
sitting
up
here.
Yes,
we
need
to
put
on
the
vacant
lot.
Hodc
building
will
be
on
Mount
piska's
lot
and
the
church
on
the
million
dollar
lot.
J
J
T
T
We,
as
taxpayers,
have
to
eat
all
of
these
expenses
for
developing
sewer
for
developing
all
kinds
of
things.
That
would
not
necessarily
come
to
us
in
the
beginning
of
the
stages
I
agreed
with
Pastor
Wilson.
Yes,
our
priority
in
our
community
is
for
the
elderly.
People
who
are
on
a
waiting
list
for
over
five
years,
for
mainly
just
two
buildings,
Blake
Robinson
and
Primm
Towers
I,
would
never
ever
agree
to
building
a
church
that
requires
nine
variances.
T
This
entirely
too
much.
There's
a
problem
with
parking,
and
then
today,
when
it
was
raining,
I
was
just
walking
down
the
alley
and
see
the
water
standing
between
the
two
buildings.
So
there's
a
problem
with
drainage
already
to
the
building.
That's
a
landmark
who's
going
to
take
care
of
all
these.
When
are
we
going
to
get
the
report
from
the
Environmental
Protection
Agency?
That
the
ground
has
been
fixed
up
and
qualified
and
no
longer
contaminates.
T
Our
community
parking
is
a
headache
and
a
hazard
and
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
risky
thing
when
you're
trying
to
depend
on
other
institutions
to
provide
parking
for
your
particular
congregation,
but
these
variations
with
these
problems,
all
churches
provide
services
to
the
community.
This
is
not
an
isolated
case
where
one
church
is
feeding
all
the
poor
and
providing
for
our
need.
All
churches
provide
those
same
opportunities.
T
So
as
we
look
at
this
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
this
bill
involvement
with
church
and
state
and
land,
the
question
was:
since
it's
been
there
for
30
years,
why
isn't
it
been
purchased
by
the
church?
Why
is
this
the
only
time
now
that
they're
buying
this
land
and
they're
not
buying
it?
It's
a
gift
from
the
City
of
Evanston,
which
I
have
serious
concerns
about
these
are
all
the
concerns
make
it
possible
for
me
not
to
approve
this
project
and
to
go
back
to
the
original
ground.
Thank
you.
X
I
would
just
start
off
by
saying
without
a
vision,
the
people
will
perish
what
is
happening
with
the
development
on
church
and
Daryl
as
nothing
new
Pastor,
Wilson
Richie,
Koenig,
myself
and
many
other
community
leaders
over
15
years
ago
had
a
had
a
vision
to
revitalize
the
church,
Dodge
area
that
was
underdeveloped
vacant,
Lots
vacant
storefronts
and
so,
and
an
alarming
number
of
foreclosures
in
the
Fifth
Ward
at
that
particular
time,
due
to
predatory
lending
due
to
redlining
the
reason
why
the
Fifth
Ward
is
the
most
desirable.
X
Yes,
it
is
the
most
inexpensive
property,
because
that's
the
only
place
that
black
people
could
live,
50
60
or
more
years
ago.
So
it's
by
Design,
but
you
know,
I
I-
do
have
a
lot
of
compassion
with
my
community
Brothers,
but
it's
the
time
is
to
redevelop
this
area.
It's
much
needed.
It's
going.
It's
going
to
bring
about
and
getting
back
to
the
vision,
so
Richard,
Koenig,
Pastor
Wilson
were
all
part
of
the
leaders
that
got
together
15
years
ago
to
say:
hey.
We
must
do
something
about
church
in
Dodge
to
revitalize
it.
X
They
wanted
to
buy
the
corner
store.
Now
the
Weavers
are
going
to
be
buying
cnw
black
owned.
We
revitalized
a
Bookoo
on
the
corner.
Now,
if
the
Morrison
Gibson
culture
center,
we
had
a
hoop
house,
we
had
the
the
National
Night
Out
Farmers
Market
on
church
and
Dodge
Corner.
We
were
doing
a
lot
of
things
to
revitalize
the
community.
So
all
this
stuff
is
coming
into
fruition
due
to
a
vision.
Churches
are
the
anchor
of
our
community.
They
ought
to
be
allowed
to
expand.
X
Yes,
their
tax
exempt,
but
there's
huge
benefits
to
churches,
to
help
with
increasing
the
faith,
increasing
the
hope
and
keeping
crime
down,
building
up
love,
building
Community.
This
is
all
about
building
Community.
This
is
what
this
is
about.
So
please
support
this.
Church's
efforts
to
expand
they've
been
here
forever.
They
deserve
the
right
to
expand
just
like
any
other
church.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
any
other
speakers
in
the
back.
Thank
you.
K
There
are
over
30
some
Churches
in
the
area,
The
Fifth
Ward,
where
I
live,
it's
a
tremendous
burden,
no
parking,
you
can't
try
to
go
to
the
grocery
store
and
come
back
and
be
able
to
unload
your
car
in
front
of
your
house,
because
the
parking's
gone
David
allow
the
churches
all
of
the
parking
that's
needed
for
the
school
for
Family
Focus
for
the
other
churches
on
on
across
some
Kingdom
Hall.
K
K
K
K
K
It's
not
benefiting
the
text,
soldiers,
the
the
people
who
live
in
the
community,
you're
just
bringing
more
and
more
people
in,
especially
with
government
money
funding.
You
cannot
say
this
is
going
to
be
just
for
the
Fifth
Ward
you're,
going
to
have
with
Federal
money
you're
going
to
have
to
take
whoever
comes,
and
we
have
enough
problems
in
our
community
that
we
don't
need
more
Housing
Development.
We
need
programs
for
our
kids
to
learn
the
technology.
They
need
to
build
our
own
businesses
and
I
don't
mean
just
storefront
businesses.
K
We
need
to
teach
them
to
be
able
to
manufacture,
that's
what
creates
jobs
and
we're
not
doing
it.
We
know
what
it
takes
to
manufacture.
We
have
done
it
ourselves
in
our
own
engineering
company
and
we
know
with
the
development
of
the
technology.
Today
we
can
create
jobs
that
will
benefit
many
many
people
and
they
can
afford
to
start
their
own
companies.
K
With
this
technology,
but
it's
not
being
taught
not
being
taught
in
the
schools-
and
we
know
the
power
of
the
technology
and
I'm
asking
you
again
to
stop
all
of
the
development
for
the
wrong
reasons.
We
need
to
develop
the
people
as
long
as
you're,
giving
them
just
rental
property
and
their
money
is
going
to
rent.
They
will
never
own
anything
and
they
need
to
own
where
they
live,
they
take
pride
in
it.
They
you,
you
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
crime.
K
We
know
everybody
on
our
street
that
own
their
property
and
they
take
care
of
it.
They
take
pride
in
it
when
you
have
a
rental
property
in
one
block,
we've
seen,
we've
had
to
get
people
out
over
and
over
again,
so
it's
not
about
just
getting
money
in
for
developing
housing.
There
are
more
important
developments
that
are
needed
in
our
community.
C
R
My
name
is
sumara
Chambers.
The
pastor
has
had
plenty
of
opportunity
to
buy
this
land
and
develop
it.
He
has
not.
He
clearly
stood
up
here
and
told
you
he
does
not
have
the
funds
to
build
this
church
this
church
will
this
land
will
stay
and
land
it
will
have
no
building
in
it.
There's
literally
a
church
right
behind
my
alley
on
Dodge
that
bought
a
vacant
land
right
beside
it.
They
were
supposed
to
develop
it.
It's
still
empty
decades
later
still
empty.
He
literally
stood
up
here,
told
you.
R
He
has
no
money
to
build
this
church.
So
what
makes
you
think
he's
gonna
have
that
money
in
less
than
a
year.
You
said
it
was
a
year
right.
He's
not
gonna
have
that
money
in
less
than
a
year.
He
doesn't
have
it
now.
The
lamb
was
gifted
to
him.
He
had
no
money
to
even
buy
the
land,
a
million
dollar
land.
We
have
so
many
churches
around
our
area.
R
N
I
have
been
a
member
of
this
community
for
over
a
little
bit
over
20
years.
They
have
all
embraced
me.
They
have
embraced
me
and
I've
gone
through
struggles
with
them,
as
I
said
last
time
at
a
meeting
we've
gone
through
hells
and
Horrors
and
shootings,
and
and
all
of
it
you
know,
and
we
survived,
and
we
finally
now
can
maybe
see
a
little
bit
of
a
daylight.
N
So
we
testified
here
over
and
over
again
that
this
is
not
the
right
conjunction
of
buildings
for
this
corner.
This
is
not
the
right
amount
of
parking
place
for
this
corner.
We
are
bringing
500
people
200
congregation
and
another,
how
many
probably
400
200
legally
per
their
code
residents,
plus
another
200
grandparents
parents,
or
that
all
of
it
with
45
parking
places
for
20
years.
We
have
been
promised
and
we
spend
hours
that
this
only
Corner,
that
we
have
that.
It's
that
it's
meant
for
commercial
use,
that
we
need
a
bookstore.
N
N
N
I
have
testified
here
that,
if
we're
gonna
get
get
only
44
rental
units
so
that
the
rich
non-for-profit
event
Opera
can
take
Millions
all
together
in
rents
and
get
millions
of
taxpayers
money
they're,
with
only
four
million
that
we
have
at
90
000
that
we
can
give
to
each
person
they
can
own,
they
can
own
their
one
bedroom,
they
can
own
their
two-bedroom,
but
so
that's
equal.
So
what
are
we
gaining?
What
are
we
getting?
Instead
of
transferring
funds
from
taxpayers
in
an
excess
of
22
million
dollars,
plus
lot
to
already
rich
developer?
N
These
people
have
enough
money.
They
don't
have
to
work
for
next
10
years,
10
lifetimes
10
lifetimes.
So
what
is
the
benefit
if
we
can,
with
four
million
dollars
that
we
have
if
we
can
put
44
people
into
ownership
versus
get
44
rental
properties
that
we
testified
here
for
hours
that
they're
gonna
affect
us
badly?
So
I
I,
don't
see
I,
don't
see
what
the
point
of
this
building
is.
We
would
be
better
off
with
44
units
that
people
are
owners
and
then,
as
far
as
the
church,
we
wish
Pastor
all
the
best
he's.
N
Probably
a
wonderful
man
he's,
probably
great
man.
We
wish
his
church
to
succeed.
We
wish
him
to
have
parishioner.
You
know
that
it's
thousand
people,
but
there's
no
parking
here.
How
is
anybody
going
to
accommodate
200
people
with
no
parking
I
mean?
That's,
that's
just
not
possible,
and
also
I
testified
here
with
these
numbers
that
I
read
with
just
four
millions
of
taxpayers:
money
from
City
of
Evanston.
N
We
can
get
44
owners
in
our
world,
so
that's
equal,
what
they
are
giving
us,
but
with
23
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
money
we
can
get
over
100,
let's
say
units
that
they're
paid
in
full
or
we
can
get
200
people
that
it
can
have
stake
in
the
community.
I,
don't
see
the
point
how
this
money
is
been
done,
they're
throwing
Millions
like,
like
you,
know
a
million
here,
a
million
there
if
the.
If
the
for-profit
market
is
telling
us
that
the
units
in
the
neighborhood
are
hundred
thirty
thousand
hundred
fifties
hundred
seventy.
N
Point
is
dear
Minister.
We
wish
you
all
the
best
and
we
as
Community
can
try
to
achieve
your
calls
to
help
you.
But
let
me
just
ask
somebody
here:
these
numbers
have
demonstrated
that
if
you,
if
Jesus,
had
opportunity
to
feed
200
people,
would
he
only
feed
44
and
give
the
rest
to
the
richest
of
the
rich.
C
P
Anna
wooden
I
live
at
1721,
Daryl
I,
just
want
to
say,
I'll,
be
very
quick
that
once
again,
I'm
still
concerned
about
parking
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
traffic
and
the
density,
making
some
things
dangerous
to
that
intersection.
But
I
am
frustrated
by
the
All
or
Nothing
approach.
If
we
ask
why
do
you
need
it
so
big?
The
answer
is
because
I
need
it
so
big
and
if
I
don't
get
it
so
big
I
know
I
just
won't
build
it.
That's
very
frustrating
to
me
there
should
be
some
compromise.
P
I
might
wish
lots
of
things
in
my
life
to
go
a
lot
better,
but
I
have
to
follow
the
general
guidelines
and
social
structure
of
my
community
by
law.
I
don't
get
to
just
ask
for
things
because
it
sounds
fun
and
pretty
and
shiny,
and
it
makes
my
ego
feel
good.
P
So
I
would
like
you
to
take
that
into
consideration.
We
are
considering
this
that
there
is
no
reason
for
this
to
need
nine
variances.
It
needs
more
than
the
hdoc
one
did
and
that
one
at
least
performs
a
public
service
that
is
calculatable.
This
does
not
I
mean
you
can
do
a
lot
of
good
from
a
smaller
building.
No
thank
you.
C
U
Good
evening,
Haley
guyan
behalf
of
Crosby
theater
LLC
1817
Church
Street.
U
U
We
encourage
the
commission
to
read
that
testimony
and
consider
this
verbal
testimony
in
conjunction
with
the
written
testimony.
The
mount
Pisco
proposal
appears
to
put
the
cart
before
the
horse.
When
you
see
the
proposal
and
hear
the
testimony
from
both
this
hearing
as
well
as
the
previous
hearing,
what
appears
to
have
happened
is
the
hodc
in
Mount
piska
have
communicated
and
built
this
intimately
tied
proposal
that
must
work,
hand
in
hand
and
tangentially
and
they've
come
to
the
commission
with
what
they
believe
to
fit.
U
What
it
wants
to
do,
however,
in
particular,
with
the
Mount
Pisgah
proposal,
viewing
the
zoning
code
in
advance
of
that
presentation
appears
to
not
have
happened.
Certainly
now
we
are
also
hearing
about
different
timetables
between
the
two
parties,
things
that
are
fluid
and
changing
and
different
contractors
being
used.
The
construction
is
a
bit
more
uncertain
and
all
of
that
does
tie
back
to
the
financial
disclosures
of
Mount
Pisgah
that
we
have
not
yet
seen.
We
would
ask
the
commission
to
consider
the
financial
disclosures
of
prerequisite
before
even
considering
granting
the
variations.
U
U
The
church
has
made
a
financing
effort
since
2016
that
has
been
unsuccessful.
Certainly
the
community
members
have
demonstrated
their
wishing
well
for
that.
But
here
we
have
a
substantial
vote
on
the
purported
premise
that
the
unsubs
blighted
lot
will
be
developed
when
there's
really
no
guarantee
of
that,
so
that
that
is
something
that
again,
the
financial
disclosures,
the
lender
information
plans.
All
of
that
needs
to
be
made
public,
or
at
least
available
to
the
commission
and
upon
request
by
the
public
before
granting
the
variation
should
be
even
on
the
table.
U
C
A
Y
Don't
I
don't
know
this
is
a
question
for
staff,
but
it
it
seems
Preposterous
to
me
to
that.
The
zoning
code
only
requires
21
spaces
for
a
congregation
that
can
seat
200
at
one
time.
I.
Just
can't
I
can't
even
fathom
how
that's
going
to
work
and
so
I,
don't
know
where
the
21
comes
from
and
I
I
believe
that
it's
a
it's
it's
a
calculation
than
the
zoning
code,
but
practically
speaking,
it
seems
just
bizarre
to
me.
I
have
to
say
that.
AG
D
Yeah
I,
yes,
I,
I
kind
of
was
comparing
now
we
have
basically
two.
We
have
the
B2
zoning
district
and
then
we
have
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
both
of
which
have
different
regulations
which,
in
reading
the
memo
it
looks
like
seven
out
of
the
nine
requested
variations
have
to
do
with
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
which
is
a
form-based
code.
That,
as
staff
present
is
you
know,
presented
to
the
planning
and
development
committee
is
particularly
problematic
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
D
In
particular,
one
of
the
requested
variations
is
to
eliminate
the
required
stoop
based
type,
which
involves
having
essentially
a
step
up
to
get
into
the
the
building
of
you
know,
rather
than
a
straight
storefront
entry.
Where
you
can,
you
know
accommodate
somebody
who,
with
mobility
issues-
or
maybe
you
know,
parents
with
strollers
or
people
in
wheelchairs,
so
I
think
that
that
I
I'd,
like
kind
of
if
staff,
could
kind
of
go
through
and
explain.
D
You
know
some
of
the
the
variations,
particularly
those
that
that
you'll
reflect
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
which
I
think
is
particularly
problematic.
D
You
know
I,
do
you
know,
for
example,
I
don't
have
a
project,
a
particular
problem,
with
kind
of
the
canopy
cantilevered
front,
where
the
building
the
front
entrance
is
set
back,
but
the
upper
floors
are
flush
to
the
you
know,
go
to
the
property
line,
so
I
think
could
staff
kind
of
speak
to
the
you
know
why
the
why
the
provisions
in
the
west
ever
Evanston
overlay
District
are
particularly
problematic
with
respect
to
this
project.
Z
The
regulations
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay
are
form-based
code
and,
ultimately,
what
they
do
is
they
pre-design
what
buildings
should
go
on?
What
lots,
and
so
at
the
time
that
that
was
established.
It's
it's
based
on
that
particular
lot
should
have
an
iconic
building,
but
it's
not
necessarily
known
that
it
will
specifically
be
a
religious
institution
and
who
will
be
using
it
and
what
their
needs
are.
So
being
that
we
are
now
15
20
years
since
the
overlay
was
created
in
this
particular
case,
the
needs
of
the
applicant
are
not
aligning
with
that
form-based
code.
Z
That
specifies
exactly
what
the
building
should
be
so
based
on.
What
the
applicant
applicant
then
proposes
things
like
the
building
height
that
that
doesn't
align
and
based
on
the
with
the
interior
height
that
they
want
those
types
of
things.
That's
ultimately,
what
makes
those
overlay
regulations
problematic.
D
The
building
height
and
the
B2
was
what
47
feet
45
five
feet
45.,
so
the
requested
44
foot
height
would
be
compat
consistent
with
what
would
be
allowed
in
the
B2
District
right
correct,
and
what
about
the
the
front
and
rear
yards
or
front
and
side
yard
setbacks,
though?
That's
that's
zero
as
well,
as
is
it
correct,
so
the
first
two
are
really
only
based
on
the
the
West
Evanston
overlay
and
for
the
height
would
not
be
an
issue
in
the
underlying
B2.
D
Z
Correct
that
is
a
unique
regulation
to
the
overlay
Additionally,
the
the
building
stoop
based
type,
that's
an
overlay
regulation
and,
for
instance,
I
did
go
over
that
one
extensively
with
the
applicant
and
It
ultimately
comes
down
to
Ada
accessibility
and
it's
much
more
accessible
for
individuals.
If
it
is
a
ground
floor,
storefront
church
instead.
D
And
then
I
think
the
other
question
I've
got
is
the
in
the
department
recommendations.
There
was
a
series
of
recommended
conditions
or
suggested
conditions
that
the
commission
consider
I,
think
some
of
them
are.
D
G
I
think
that
was
a
that
was
meant
to
be
a
catch-all
comment
to
address
some
of
the
Tidy
Up
bits,
but.
G
S
A
Okay,
I
forgot
to
offer
the
applicant
one
more
opportunity
to
make
a
closing
statement
so
I'll,
if
you,
if
you
would
like
to
I'll
open
the
record
to
do
that.
AF
Thing
I
think
with
Miss
Hudson,
who
reminded
me
that
Mount
Pisgah
was
doing
computer
classes
for
kids
in
the
80
90s
before
there
was
any
computer
classes
being
offered
any
place
else
and
our
second
floor
and
on
our
first
floor
on
Saturday
mornings,
every
Saturday
mornings,
those
classes
were
being
held
so
I.
What
I'm
trying
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
is
that
we
have
not
been
just
sitting
there
not
doing
anything.
We
have
been
operating
as
a
community
church
for
all
those
years
and
we'd
like
to
commit
continue
that
and
I
think.
AF
Y
Well,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
complement
the
architect,
Mr
architect,
I
I
think
this
is
a
very
well
done.
Project
I
think
it's
beautiful
and
it
would
be,
would
be
an
asset
on
that
corner.
However,
there's
I
there's
there's
several
things
that
I
don't
understand
about
this
deal
and
I
think.
Ideally,
the
way
it
probably
was
Finance,
not
Finance,
but
the
how
the
the
financial
part
of
the
deal
was
put
together.
It
was
thought
of
that.
It
would
all
happen
at
once
and
I
really
don't
think.
Y
That's
going
to
happen.
I
I
believe
because
I've
been
involved
in
these
kind
of
fundraising
things
and
they,
especially
if
you're
just
beginning,
got
a
long
way
to
go,
and
so
that's
that's
part
of
my
concern
here
that
I
think
we're
going
to
end
up
with
a
housing
project
with
a
empty
lot
in
the
corner
and
then
I
don't
know
what
what
happens
to
the
deal.
The
other
part
is
that
I
I,
just
don't
think
the
parking
works,
I.
Think
there's.
Y
If
you're
going
to
propose
a
facility
for
200
people,
you
better
have
more
than
what
is
it
21
parking
spaces
and
some
of
those
parking
spaces
are
at
eths,
which
I
don't
believe
anyone's
going
to
use
it's
too
far
away.
Y
So
that's
those
are
my
concerns.
I,
don't
have
any
issues
with
height
or
setbacks,.
AC
So
I
will
repeat
something
of
my
colleague
I.
Also
like
the
project.
It's
well
done.
I
have
two
problems
with
it.
Once
again,
it
seems
that
we
have
a
program
that
is
large
enough
to
make
a
bulky
building.
It's
very
well
proportioned.
Currently
it's
well
done
architecturally,
but
I
believe
that
currently,
it
fits
well
because
it
balances
the
bulky
building
to
the
West.
AC
So
if
we
think
only
about
how
this
corner
is
developed
and,
let's
say
don't
even
think
about
the
building
to
the
West
I
believe
this
building
is
still
larger
than
it
has
to
be.
That's
why
I
asked
the
questions
about
the
height
I
think
that
even
with
this
program,
this
building
could
be
lower
in
height.
AC
So
these
are
my
two
major
concerns
and
to
repeat
commissioner
Harry
parking
I
coached
in
the
eths
for
for
some
time
and
I
know
how
this
Zone
here
is
overloaded
with
traffic
and
insufficient
parking
in
many
parts
of
the
day
end
of
the
week.
So
these
are
my
major
concerns
about
this
building.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
I'll,
look
a
little
bit
concern
on
parking,
which,
of
course,
you
hear
all
the
time,
but
it
is
a
real
one
and
and
I
think
it
is
wonderful
to
be
able
to
have
a
vision
and
to
expand.
That's
how
churches
survive
is
really
by
growing
so
totally
in
favor
of
that
and
can
see
the
opportunity
there.
I
think
the
concern
again
I
would
have
is
that
it
just
isn't
scaled
to
the
site.
It
could
be
smaller,
it
could
fit
in
there
a
little
bit
better
and
I'd
like
to
see
those.
E
Those
changes
happen
as
far
as
fundraising
goes.
Having
done
some
development
work,
I
give
you
my
best
wishes
and
you
may
need
a
little
more
communion
wine
before
you
get
to
the
end
of
it.
But
I
am
confused
about
how
that
is
going
to
work.
If
one
part
of
this
project
goes
ahead
and
the
other
doesn't.
That
is
an
issue
for
the
city
to
resolve
in
the
city
council,
but
it
is
a
bit
of
a
problem.
A
Okay,
hearing
none
we'll
move
to
the
standards
of
approval,
so
again
I'm
going
to
go
over
them
and
and
say
what
I
believe
is
the
consensus
of
the
group
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
whether
about
whether
or
not
the
standards
are
met
or
not
after
I
go
through
each
one
feel
free
to
jump
in
and
tell
me
if
you
disagree
for
the
record
and
we'll
go
through
there.
So,
since
this
is
a
boast,
both
a
special
use
and
major
variation
request,
there
are
two
sets
of
Standards.
A
First
will
be
for
the
special
use
number
one.
It
is
one
of
the
listed
special
uses
for
the
zoning
District
in
which
the
property
lies.
Yes,
it
is
number
two
complies
with
the
purposes
and
the
policies,
the
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance.
Yes,
it
does,
as
it
develops
an
undeveloped
lot.
A
Number
three
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses
or
as
a
category
of
land
use.
I
believe
it
doesn't
create
a
negative
cumulative
effect,
but
we're
not
we're
not.
There
obviously
is
impact
with
a
new
construction,
but
we're
not
we're
not
adding
a
new
church.
We're
upgrading
an
existing
one,
so,
in
my
view
that
that
standard
is
met,
number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
I
believe
the
design,
the
architectural
design
is
actually
quite
aesthetically.
A
Pleasing
and
is
probably
a
nice,
you
know,
is
very
nice
on
the
eyes
and
and
pleasing
to
the
to
the
corner.
It's
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
Yes,
it
is
in
the
business
district
and
also
along
the
Dempster
bust
route.
C
A
Excuse
me
Church,
yes,
thank
you
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
That
standard
I
believe
is
not
met
and
I.
Think
it's
pretty
clear
based
on
the
what's
been
presented
to
us
and
the
comments
made
so
far
that
the
the
the
parking
plan
is
not
really
realistic
or
have
been
fully
thought
through
in
terms
of
what
the
increased
demand
would
be
for
parking
in
in
this
area.
However,.
D
D
A
So
I
believe
that's
not
that
it
is
not
met.
Number
seven
preserves
a
significant
historical
and
Architectural
resources.
I,
don't
think
that's
applicable,
as
this
is
a
new
building
on
an
empty
lot.
A
Number
eight
preserve
significant
natural
and
environmental
resources,
also
not
applicable
as
you're
developing
an
empty
lot
and
number
nine
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations.
I
believe
that
is
met,
as
has
been
vetted
by
staff
throughout
the
packet.
A
A
I
believe
that
is
met
as
this
would
be
a
net
I'm
a
Believer
in
religious
institutions
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
net
benefit
for
the
community
in
the
area
number
two,
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
I
believe
that,
as
met
as
we're
developing
an
empty
lot
and
the
use
matches
what's
in
the
zoning
code,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
D
Going
to
disagree
with
that,
because
I
think
that
the
the
require
the
form-based
code
requirements
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District
do
protect
present
a
hardship
and
practical
difficulty
in
trying
to
develop
this.
This
property
and
the
the
same
would
be
true
if
we
weren't
discussing
the
land
Swap-
and
we
were
you
know
talking
about
the
middle.
D
AD
I
I
also
disagree
on
that
one.
The
there
is
no
way
to
put
a
basement
into
that
property
because
of
the
environmental
issues
that
it
had.
So
we
can
only
go
up.
We
can't
go
down
so
that's
you
know.
S
AD
Of
one
of
the
the
particular
practical
difficulties
that
that
site
would
have.
C
A
You,
the
property
owner,
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
if
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out.
I
believe
this
is
not
met,
as
that
is
still
possible
to
come
up
with
a
a
solution
here
that
doesn't
have
quite
as
many
variances.
D
Again,
I'm
going
to
disagree
on
the
basis
of
the
West,
the
requirements
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay,
District.
A
A
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
I
believe
that
standard
is
met,
as
as
this
has
been
an
empty
lot
for
quite
some
time
and
the
purpose
the
person
trying
to
develop.
It
is
not
responsible
for
them.
A
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use,
commission
issues,
its
decision
or
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
Regarding
said,
variation,
I
believe
that
standard
is
not
met
as
I,
don't
believe,
they've
presented
the
least
deviation,
a
solution
that
has
the
least
deviation
among
feasible
options.
D
Again,
I'm
going
to
disagree
again
based
on
the
you
know,
the
requirements
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
which
I
think
really
you
know,
require
a
significant
number
of
variations
to
build
most
anything.
E
But
I'll
disagree
with
the
disagreement
again.
It's
true.
You
cannot
dig
down
into
a
basement.
There
are
definitely
limitations
with
the
site,
but
you
do
not
need
to
go
to
three
stories
and
while
growth
is
important
to
a
church,
it's
also
the
reality
of
what
the
site
allows
you
to
do
and
I
do
think
that
a
smaller
building
could
be
designed
for
that
site.
So
that's
my
feedback
on
that.
A
C
AD
A
Thank
you
with
Equity.
Please
have
a
vote.
AD
B
B
A
A
Okay,
as
it
is
after
10
o'clock,
I
believe
we
are
well.
We
are
required
to
vote
if
we're
going
to
start
a
new
case
past
10
pm
yeah,
so
I
certainly
believe
that
we
can
at
least
do
the
next
one.
A
A
A
Well,
that
would
be
that
would
be
best
I,
don't
know
if,
if
it's
feasible
to
get
through
it
I.
E
Hate
to
make
the
applicant
return,
but
it
is
pretty
late.
Y
A
So
this
is
the
zoning
text
Amendment
and
the
special
use
permit
major
variation
request
for
the
for
the
space
organization.
A
A
A
A
Hearing,
no
objection
that
passes
okay,
I
believe
we're
all
back
thanks.
Everyone
we're
gonna,
try
to
do
the
last
two
cases
on
the
agenda
in
a
very
straightforward
manner
this
evening,
thanks
everyone
for
making
it
this
far
the
first
case
or
next
case
rather
is
the
zoning
text
Amendment
for
new
business,
Item,
B
I've
requested
for
staff
or
actually
staff.
Can
you
please
read
the
case
into
the
record,
but
although
we
will
plan
to
skip
the
staff
presentation
on
this
case,.
AH
And
I
know
the
applicant
would
like
to
do
a
presentation
they're
technically
presenting
for
both
cases.
So
should
I
read
both
into
the
record
now
sure.
AH
That
okay,
the
applicant,
is
also
requesting
a
special
use
permit
and
major
variation
specifically
for
the
property
located
at
12
43
through
45
Chicago
Avenue.
A
AI
So
good
evening,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
taking
our
case
tonight.
We
really
appreciate
it.
We
know
how
late
it
is
so
we'll
be
very
efficient.
My
name
is
Bridget
O'keefe
I'm,
a
partner
at
Aspen
and
almond
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
owners
of
the
building
and
property
Chicago
Roadhouse
and
1243
Evanston
LLC
I'm,
accompanied
by
Hannah
Samuels
who's,
the
property
manager
with
blue
star
properties
and
is
the
formal
applicant
in
this
case.
AD
AI
So
as
stated
in
order
to
move
forward
with
the
proposed
project,
we
need
approval
of
three
different
applications.
I
I
thought
that
Katie
was
going
to
do
a
presentation
so
I'm
going
to
take
a
look.
Give
you
a
little
bit
more
detail
than
the
slide
says.
The
first
is
an
application
for
a
text
amendment
to
allow
a
Performing
Arts
venue
in
a
B1
District
as
an
authorized
special
use
in
order
for
us
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
AI
This
text,
Amendment
request
has
to
be
approved
first
and
if
so,
then
we
would
come
in
with
our
second
application,
which
is
for
special
use
as
a
Performing,
Arts
venue
and
a
B1
and
then
for
a
major
variation
to
waive
the
requirement
for
a
loading
space.
So
those
are
the
three
requirements
that
we're
seeking
today
at
12
43
and
12
45
Chicago
next
slide.
Please
so
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
you
familiar
with
the
existing
uses,
Union
Pizzeria
in
space.
It
seems
like
they're,
very
well
known
in
the
community
they've
been
here
since
2008.
AI
Historically,
they've
been
on
one
lot
with
Union
Pizzeria
in
the
backspace
in
the
rear.
Union
Pizzeria
is
a
type
one
restaurant.
It
was
the
predominant
use
on
the
property
in
terms
of
square
footage,
but
as
a
result
of
the
proposed
project,
space
becomes
slightly
larger
than
Union
Pizzeria,
which
is
why
we
need
to
get
it's
no
longer
an
accessory
use.
It
now
becomes
a
primary
use,
which
is
why
we
need
to
get
the
Performing
Art
venue
special
use.
AI
The
key
point
to
know
here
is
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
change
in
the
operation
of
the
restaurant
or
the
or
the
theater
they're
going
to
continue,
just
as
they
have
they're
not
going
to
be
expanding,
significant,
not
expanding
at
all
with
regards
to
space
in
terms
of
ticket
sales.
But
let
me
start
with
Union
Pizzeria,
it's
a
it's!
A
pizza
restaurant
that's
been
around
for
a
long
time.
The
proposed
use
they
bought
the
building
next
door
at
12
43.
AI
They
ripped
it
down
and
they're
proposing
to
put
an
outdoor,
Terrace
small
outdoor
area,
which
Matt
will
walk
you
through
the
plans
which
would
be
for
outdoor
seasonal
seating
that,
just
in
the
warm
weather,
a
few
tables
to
provide
an
amenity
to
the
neighborhood.
There
will
be
no
other
change
to
Union
Pizzeria.
With
regards
to
space.
AI
AI
Part
of
the
restaurant
right,
but
space
is
not
going
to
serve
food.
Space
is
just
going
to
continue
what
they've
always
been,
which
is
a
small
Performing
Arts
venue,
historically,
they've
entered
the
building
through
the
pizzeria,
so
what
we're
doing
here
is
they're,
providing
a
separate
entrance
and
they're
providing
amenities
to
just
make
a
better
experience
for
the
space
customers,
which
would
include
a
dedicated
entrance,
a
coat
room,
dedicated
restrooms
and
an
outdoor
bar
where
people
can
come
before
the
show
or
during
intermission
to
have
a
cocktail.
AI
AI
AI
There
won't
be
a
significant
change
from
the
current
business
operations
which
have
operated
successfully
with
their
neighbors
for
for
over.
You
know,
15
years
with,
regards
to
parking
I'm,
currently
parking,
it's
legally
non-conforming.
With
regards
to
parking
on
the
site,
the
staff
zoning
analysis
identified
that
five
net
new
parking
spaces
would
be
required.
Those
three
of
the
five
spaces
will
be
provided
on
site
in
the
garage
in
the
rear
of
the
1243
property.
Two
will
be
provided
at
1307
Chicago,
which
is
the
other
Union
restaurant,
which
is
under
common
ownership.
AI
In
addition,
you'll
see
additional
bike
parking.
That's
provided
right
on
site
right
in
the
front
of
the
building
with
regards
to
loading,
loading
is
also
legally
non-conforming,
they're,
seeking
approval
of
an
application
for
a
major
variation
to
allow
no
parking
on
the
property.
Currently,
the
property
in
the
front
serves
as
a
loading
area
for
the
trucks
that
come
with
the
food
and
the
liquor.
This
is
the
way
it's
always
been.
They
either
you
know,
put
money
in
the
meters
for
the
spaces
or
they.
AI
If
they're
long-term
use,
they
will
work
out
an
arrangement
with
the
with
the
city
and
pay
the
rest,
the
requisite
fees
in
the
rear.
The
the
deliveries
are
primarily
the
music
equipment
which
will
come
in
in
maybe
a
small
van
they'll
Park
adjacent
to
the
building
in
the
rear,
and
then
they'll
go
in
the
back
of
the
property.
AI
AI
If
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
I'd
like
to
talk
about
sound
in
particular
in
particular,
because
there's
been
a
change
since
the
time
we
went
to
Dapper
and
to
and
from
when
the
staff
report
was
prepared
and
presented
to
you
when
we
got
the
staff
report
late
last
week
we
saw
the
list
of
conditions
that
staff
had
recommended
and
and
the
management
of
space
in
primarily
space
and
Union
Pizzeria,
went
back
and
thought
about.
You
know
the
special
use
is
going
to
be
in
effect
for
a
very
long
time.
AI
We
want
to
make
sure
that,
even
though
we're
not
thinking
about
outdoor
speakers
now,
there
may
be
a
point
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
we
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
the
process
again.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
talk
to
you,
because
there
are
two
conditions
that
the
staff
recommended
regarding
sound
and
outdoor
performances
and
we
would
like
to
modify
those
and
I
have
the
language
that
is
on
this
slide
that
we
would
like
to
suggest
for
your
consideration.
AI
AI
AI
There
may
be
a
situation
where
you
have
like
a
wedding
outside
and
there's
like
a
jazz
Trio
or
a
string
quartet,
something
very
small
and
quiet,
but
it
that
use
will
be
accessory
acoustic
only
and
will
be
held
on
a
very
infrequent
basis,
they're
proposing
for
also
that
if
they
have
any
outdoor
sound
for
like
it
would
only
be
for.
U
AI
C
AI
Could
does
allow
some
outdoor
music
pursuant
to
standards
that
I
think
the
staff
could
address
more,
but
there
are
certain
levels
that
cannot
go
across
the
property
line.
They
had
the
property
line.
You
have
to
have
certain
decibel
levels.
We
are
going
to
comply.
We
are
going
to
comply,
it's
really.
If
you're
sitting
and
having
a
cocktail
or
it's
a
pizza,
you
may
hear
a
little
music
in
the
background
you
know
or
if
you're
outside
you'll
see
the
spaces.
When
you
see
the
drawings,
the
spaces
are
very
small.
No.
AI
AI
AI
Hours
are
until
11
in
the
morning,
and
we
end
at
10
at
night
and
and
I
can
we
can.
We
can
address
more
specific
questions.
I
have
Davis
here
to
help
with
the
music
questions,
because
I'm
not
as
good
with
that.
AI
So
the
last
thing
is
we're
going
to
have
a
dedicated
trash
area
in
the
back
of
the
property.
It'll
be
enclosed.
We
think
it's
going
to
lead
to
a
a
more
quiet
environment
for
the
Neighbors,
because
it'll
be
moved
further
in
the
property
and
won't
be
right
on
the
Alley.
But
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
turn
it
over
to
Matt
Cooper,
just
to
walk
you
through
the
plans
which
will
provide
context
to
what
I've
I've
told
you
and
then
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
all
have.
U
AJ
Matt
Cooper's
from
K2
Studio
I'm,
going
to
keep
it
fairly
brief
and
I'm
then
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
have
with
the
fact
that
probably
be
more
productive,
probably
worth
going
to
the
plan
just
to
sort
of
orange
everybody
which
is
the
next
slide
or
two
forward,
probably
no
keep
going
one
more,
probably
actually
go
back.
One
more
I
apologize,
I
thought
that
was
wonderful,
yeah
that'll
work,
that's
fine!
AJ
So
the
building
to
the
top
of
the
page
to
the
north
is
the
existing
1245.
It's
the
building
that
sort
of
pull
shade
in
sorry,
there's
no
color
on
this
one,
and
so
the
bottom
section
is
1243.
The
new
property
they've
acquired
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
tell
in
the
renderings
it'll
help
in
a
moment,
but
the
middle
core
section
of
the
property
is
what
the
one
story
slab
on
grade
building
is
going
to
be
it's
fairly
modest
in
size
that
front
area
to
the
left.
AJ
That's
the
outdoor
for
the
restaurant,
it's
all
an
open
area.
There
is
a
small
structure
above
it
simply
to
create
a
little
awning
for
relief
from
the
Sun
again
you'll,
see
in
the
renderings
in
a
moment,
so
the
middle
section,
which
is
a
fairly
modest
footprint
again
as
Bridget
sort
of
pretty
eloquently
stated
already.
It's
aimed
at
the
sort
of
betterment
of
the
experience
at
the
venue.
It
is
100
dedicated
to
the
venue.
AJ
It
is
only
infrastructure
oriented
really
in
the
sense
that
it's
again
code
check,
toilet
additional
toilet
facilities
that
obviously
it
go
beyond
what's
in
the
existing
facilities
and
the
small
bar
and
Lobby
sort
of
waiting
area
for
an
entry
and
intermission
so
that
middle
Zone
most
significantly
also
accommodates
the
ability
to
have
now
a
dedicated
entrance
to
the
space
venue.
So
in
the
drawing
above,
the
poche
sort
of
larger
building
at
their
1245
a
little
hard
to
tell.
AJ
But
it's
the
stage
in
that
middle
zone
of
that
plan
and
that's
where
the
venue
is
and
you
used
to
have
to
go
down
the
court
or
effectively
through
the
restaurant
to
get
to
it.
Now,
we've
been
able
to
sort
of
bifurcate
that
the
entrance
for
the
restaurant
stays.
What
it
always
was,
and
now
you
come
down
into
the
property,
set
way
back,
that
middle
piece
is
the
connector
right
at
the
theater
space
itself.
AJ
So
now
you
can
enter
more
directly
in
and
it
separates
those
out
which
helps
with
things
of
the
nature
of
like
identity
and
all
the
rest,
but
it
also
just
separates
those
populations
out.
So
it's
a
little
clearer
as
a
result.
Also,
we've
been
able
to
ultimately
enhance
egress
too.
It's
not
the
it's
sort
of
more
of
a
byproduct,
but
it's
certainly
a
betterment
as
well,
in
the
sense
that
now
the
space
was
kind
of
landlocked
in
the
original
1245.
Now
they
can
exit
into
the
property
to
the
South
go
out
towards
the
rear.
AJ
We
have
an
egress
there
go
out
towards
the
front
Beyond,
just
the
in
the
original
exits
that
were
of
the
original
building
and
then
at
the
right
again.
Eastward
you
get
the
outdoor
space,
that's
dedicated
exclusively
towards
the
lobby.
It's
just
an
expansion
of
that
lobby,
waiting
area
for
intermission
and
entry
point
and
then
the
garage
that
has
always
been
there
has
remained
from
the
original
house
and
that
acts
as
a
buffer
off
the
alley
and
for
that
rear
Courtyard.
AJ
We
are
proposing
and
I'm
going
to
just
go
to
the
renderings
in
a
moment
and
kind
of
just
make
a
few
extra,
very
quick
points,
but
the
entire
rear
Courtyard
is
encapsulated
by
a
fence
area
and
what
you
see
to
the
very
bottom
right
corner
there
is
the
setback
now
centralized
trash
for
everything.
It's
enhanced,
it's
larger.
It
can
accommodate
things
that
much
more
and
it
sort
of
becomes
that
sort
of
back
end
enclosure,
including
at
this
South
property
line,
that
fence
sort
of
segregates
and
separates
the
whole
Courtyard
from
everything
else.
AJ
Maybe
just
move
forward.
That's
simply
just
an
enlargement
of
that
rare
area
and
front
elevation
and
a
rear
elevation
from
the
courtyard
looking
at
that
sort
of
rear,
Lobby
space.
That's
what
that
bottom.
Drawing
is
the
front
simply
is
just
simply
showing
we
will
have
is
a
small
buffer
zone
which
is
a
planter
for
Greening
and
actually
come.
It
had
come
up
in
the
community
meeting
the
request
for
some
bike
parking,
so
we
had
and
I
think
it's
the
next
slide,
I'll
even
show
it.
We
had
accommodated
just
the
ability
to
have
some
bike
parking.
AJ
Otherwise
it's
the
setback
that
goes
back
about
40
feet
before
you
hit
the
facade
really
of
the
building
and
if
you
just
flip
to
the
next
slide,
so
that's
just
a
view
to
show
the
sort
of
Fairly
significant
setback.
That's
the
planted
area
and
the
bike
parking
again.
That
entrance
well,
there's
a
better
picture
in
a
minute.
Let
me
go
to
the
next
slide.
AJ
That
is
a
little
hard
to
read,
but
it's
an
axonometric
which
is
I'll
just
point
to
just
one
thing:
it's
if
you
removed
the
1245
building
you're
looking
at
that
sort
of
connector
point
that
is
now
going
to
cut
and
make
access
to
the
theater
space.
That's
that
very
middle
of
that
bottom.
Drawing
next
drawing
or
next
slide
just
a
few
other
images
and
to
some
extent
they
maybe
they
speak
for
themselves,
both
front
and
rear
do
have
a
trellis.
It's
not
a
roof
condition
at
all.
AJ
AJ
Oh
yeah
go
back
one
more
one,
more
one
more
right
there,
so
you
were
not
referring
to
the
offset.
AJ
So
I'm
not
sure
it's
what
Bridget's
referencing,
but
there
are
a
few
quick
comments.
Number
one
on
the
billing
1245
the
existing
building.
That's
on
the
top
of
the
page
there
there
is
existing
space
back
there
that
was
used
for
parking.
AJ
It
is
infrequently
available
for
some
drop-off,
but
right
now
that
space
stays,
as
is,
there's
no
change.
What
the
addition
is
really
and
the
only
thing
being
counted
on
site
towards
parking
is
the
three
spaces
inside
the
garage.
The
garage
will
be
renovated.
Beautified,
it's
a
little
rough.
Looking
at
the
moment.
AJ
That's
all
part
of
the
new
scope
and
within
it
you
have
one
accessible
space
which
has
a
direct
access
through
the
rear
of
the
garage
and
into
the
venue
and
then
into
regular
sort
of
spaces,
and
these
are
spaces,
of
course,
that
never
were
provided
before
and
again
the
seed
count
and
the
ticket
sales
they
don't
increase.
So
all
we're
doing
is
really
adding
parking.
That's
just
an
enhancement
to
what
was
originally
there
with
a
facility.
That's
not
expanding
in
terms
of
occupancy
I
know
is
that
addressing.
AI
AI
Answer
I
think
the
last
point.
In
the
interest
of
time.
You
know
we
did
prepare
a
significant
application
packages
and
each
one
we
addressed
all
the
standards
that
are
required
by
code
for
the
text
Amendment
and
the
special
use
and
the
variation
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
them
in
depth,
but
they
are
submitted
as
part
of
the
record
and
I.
If
you
have
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
answer
it,
we
have
people
here
from
space.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
regarding
space
But,
we
would
really
appreciate
your
support
for
the
project.
C
A
You
just
to
be
clear.
That
was
a
presentation
for
for,
for
both
items
remaining
on
the.
S
A
We're
doing
it
all
together,
at
least
at
this
point,
are
there
any
questions
from
commissioners.
Y
I
I
first
want
to
make
a
comment
that
space
and
and
the
restaurant
are
a
real
asset
to
Evanston.
So
I'm
glad
you
guys
are
expanding.
It's
great.
Did
you
ask
the
neighbor
neighbors
across
the
alley?
Do
they
know
about
this
and
I'm
thinking
about
the
noise?
Are
you
the
neighbor
he's.
AI
Always
one
of
them,
we
had
a,
we
had
a
community
meeting
that
was
sponsored
by
the
council
person
and
she
notified
the
neighbors
I
think
and
we
had
I
think
it
was
in
January
and
I
think
nine
people
showed
up
and
then,
after
that
the
notice
went
out,
the
legal
notice
went
out
and
we
did
not
receive
any
calls.
Although
I
do
believe,
the
city
might
have
received
a
couple,
but
we
haven't
received
any
contact.
AI
AH
Yes,
I
can
speak
to
that.
So
with
the
written
comment
we
received
was
after
the
packet.
So
that
was
why
it
was
not
mentioned
in
the
staff
report.
I
did
receive
a
phone
call
from
a
resident,
I
believe
1326
Chicago
1300
block
of
Chicago
on
across
the
street.
AH
She
just
had
questions
to
clarify
that
she
understood
the
scope
of
the
project
and
she
said
that
some
neighbors
were
couldn't
had
some
concerns,
but
she
must
have
shared
the
information
with
them
and
sounded
like
there
were
several
of
them
and
they
all
were
got
the
mailing
for
the
hearing
and
they
are
not
present
this
evening
and
if
I
may
I
did
also.
AH
A
I'm
going
to
interject
at
this
moment
we
did
vote
to
allow
us
to
start
a
new
case
after
10.
We
also
have
to
vote
to
continue
past
11.,
so
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
do
do
that.
A.
E
E
AI
And
I
can
refer
to
to
Davis
who
is
here
from
space,
but
our
thought
was
by
using
the
front
on
Chicago
Avenue,
because
our
our
deliveries
are
primarily
between
10
and
2
and
10
in
the
morning
and
two
in
the
afternoon,
which
is
somewhat
of
an
off
time
on
Chicago
Avenue
and
he
has
operated
successfully
there
and
minimized
the
impact
on
the
Residential
Properties
to
the
east,
because
there
is
a
residential
Zone
directly
to
the
East
and
so
we're
trying
to
prevent
more
use
of
the
alley
in
order
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
we're
not
affecting
the
Residential
Properties.
AI
AI
E
AI
E
AJ
To
figure
out
really
effectively
too
small
the
garage
we
did
look
at
things
like
Auto
turns
and
other
stuff.
We
can't
really
accommodate
larger
trucks
in
any
way
by
larger
they
don't
have
large
trucks,
I
mean
they're
all
small
box
trucks,
but
it
just
doesn't
really
fade.
Smaller
Vans
could
potentially
Park
well.
AI
AH
We
have
not
received
any.
We
did
ask
the
applicant
for
some
clarification
on
that
and
then
also
checked
with
the
parking
division.
If
they
had
any
concerns,
the
applicants
indicated
that
they
pay
for
the
parking
Dawn
Street
Parking
when
they
do
use
it.
So
the
spaces
will
not
be
dedicated
loading
for
them.
They
do.
They
will
pay
when
they're
in
that
space.
D
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
recommended
conditions
on
the
special
use
of
first
there's
a
do
you
own
1307
Chicago.
So
that's
the
the
reason
for
the
suggestion
that
change
of
ownership
would
trigger.
Yes
coming
back
for
the
special
use
and
then
I
guess.
The
second
issue
that
I
have
is
in
number
one
where
you're
talking
about
an
exception
for
a
certain
number
of
special
events
allowing
for
later
times
can
we
put
some
specificity
on?
How
many
are
you
talking
three
six
yeah?
How
many
are
we
talking.
AI
AI
AG
C
AG
Oh,
so
we
have
a
New
Year's
concerts
that
do
run
up
up
until
midnight
and
then
usually
The
Encore
is
like
right
at
midnight.
That's
pretty
much!
The
latest
we're
ever
going
most
of
our
shows
are
over
by
10.
D
AI
AI
Yeah
so
let's
see
where
the
condition
is.
AI
AG
AJ
AJ
AD
AD
For
staff,
what
does
the
that
quarter?
What
are
the
hours
for
operation
for
other
businesses,
meaning
you
know,
I
know
that
their
hours
or
operations
stop
at
10.,
okay,
but
the
rest
of
the
quarter?
What
do
they.
AI
Z
AH
And
and
I
guess
to
also
clarify
the
the
the
crowd
spilling
out
after
10,
like
that's
exiting
I,
think
it
just
is
the
event
stopping
at
10
pm.
So
we're
not
it's
not
that
we
would
be
enforcing
if
people
are
still
kind
of
leaving
at
like
10
20.
I.
Think
at
the
at
Dapper
staff
had
kind
of
tried
to
nail.
AH
A
number
I
had
initially
contemplated
drafting
six,
but
I
know
that
Dapper
didn't
provide
a
number,
so
I
think
that's
what
commissioner
Lynn
wall
is
looking
to
do,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
intent
is
not
to
be
overly
restrictive.
It's
more
that
there's
something
on
the
record
and
then,
if
there
were
any
other
future
issues,
we
can
you
can
discuss
with
staff
and
we
can
advise
accordingly.
Yeah.
AI
E
AI
AI
D
I,
don't
get
it
I
mean
yeah
I
mean
I,
don't
I
guess
we
usually
have
hours
of
operation
for
most
restaurants
or
do
we
not
do
we
need
this
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we
need
number?
One
is
a
condition
at
all.
Z
AG
AD
E
AD
That's
because
that's
that's,
usually
what
we
would
do
with
when
we
were
on
zoning.
We
would
give
them
hours
of
operation
from
such
hour
to
such
hour.
It
was
a
blanket
hours
of
operation
if
they
did
not
use
them,
but
they
had
the
facility
to
just
go
up
to
that
time.
Well,.
D
D
So
what
are
the
standards?
It's
11
to
11.,
I?
No,
but
on
the
rest,
typically
another
plate
in
the
quarter.
It's
11,
2,
11.
and
then
11
to
midnight.
Z
D
AG
AI
AG
AI
E
E
Do
you
have
a
concern
about
that
I?
Imagine
neighbors
might
across
Chicago
Avenue.
V
That
discussion
was
based
on
our
understanding
of
the
applicant's
intention,
so
we
were
clarifying
at
the
discussion
that
that
was
the
intent
we
have
had
experiences
with.
You
know
issues
when
we
have
uses
of
budding
residential
as
it
relates
to
Amplified,
music
I
think
this
particular
proposal.
If
I
understand
they
don't
have
intentions
to
have
Amplified
music
directed
towards
the
residential
to
the
east,
it
would,
you
know,
be
directed
towards
Chicago
Avenue
and
my
also
understanding
from
the
conditions
that
have
been
crafted
as
it
would
be.
AI
What's
nice
about
the
space?
Is
that
it's
not
a
large
space
you
need
for
either
venue
the
interior
space
is
buffered
by
a
fence,
the
garage
and
the
walls.
So
it's
it's
surrounded
by
four
sides
which
will
help
buffer
sound
and
in
the
front
it's
a
small
space
again
and
it
will
be
similar
to
us.
I
said
what
Trader
Joe's
does
it'll
just
be
soft
music.
In
the
background,
very
very
quiet
can.
Y
I
suggest,
though,
that
you
drop
the
non-amplified,
because
I
mean
even
an
acoustic
guitar
and
someone
singing
would
would
use
a
mic
and
maybe
a
little
amplification
on
the
guitar.
The
the
issue
is
the
noise
ordinance.
If
you
comply
with
the
noise
ordinance
to
me
end
of
story,
how
you
do
that
is
your
business.
AI
Can
I
go
to
the
local,
the
Glide
that
had
the
language
I
think
it
was
before
these,
so
the
first,
the
first
condition
we're
suggesting
and
we
can
work
with
this
language.
I
mean
this
was
just
our
attempt
to
throw
out
some
ideas,
but
it
was
to
comply
with
the
noise
ordinance
and
that's
number
one,
and
that
doesn't
say
no
amp.
It
says
no
Amplified
music
only
during
certain
hours
and
that
that
comes
from
the
ordinance,
no
performance
occurring.
AI
This
limits,
the
performances
that
can
go
on
the
second
one
outside
they
and
the
language
is
accessory
in
nature
acoustic
only
and
will
be
held
on
an
infrequent
basis,
and
then
the
third
is
more
for
the
small
speakers
that
would
be
installed
to
just
for
the
general
background
music.
That's
what
it
says,
I
mean.
Does
that
that's
what.
AG
Is
acoustic
acoustic
only
he's.
AG
Only
is
the
would,
instead
of
just
being
completely
open
air
acoustic.
There
may
be
an
instance
where
you
would
amplify
an
acoustic
sound
and
it
wouldn't
be
any
louder
than
the
music
coming
out
of
the
speakers.
It
wouldn't
be
any
so
it
would
still
comply
with
a
noise
ordinance,
but
it
would
technically
be
Amplified.
It
wouldn't
just
be
a
purely
acoustic
instrument,
yeah,
so
that
language
is
a
little
misleading.
So.
AE
AI
It's
gotten
kind
of
informal
I
apologize,
so
that's
what
we
propose
can
is
that
work
for
you,
the
language
yeah.
AG
AG
AI
If
we
could
then
on
the
second
condition,
third
line
that
says
any
outdoor
performances
shall
be
accessory
in
nature
and
would
only
be
held
on
an
infrequent
basis
and
take
out
acoustic
only
and
you'll
catch
that
with
compliance
and
noise
ordinance.
AC
S
AJ
Can
we
can
go
to
the
plan
yeah?
Can
we
go
yeah,
keep
going
right.
AC
AJ
I
wish
there
were
way
too
large,
it's
a
little
hard
to
say,
I
apologize
so
right
now
that
Hall
that
originally
connected
the
restaurant
to
the
rear,
theater
space,
it's
still
in
place,
but
we've
closed
it
off.
So
it
is
literally
only
dedicated
as
an
emergency
egress
and
hence
the
only
way
to
the
theater
proper.
That
is,
is
through
the
new
entrance
separate
from
the
restaurant
wholly
dedicated
and
how.
AJ
AC
AC
So
somebody
will
have
to
say,
go
to
this
table
or
go
to
that
table.
AJ
AC
AJ
AC
AJ
So
now
I
understand
your
concern.
I
guess:
I
can't
predict
the
future,
but
I
will
say:
we've
had
conversations
about
operations,
everybody
sort
of
looked
through
it
and
vetted
it
and
I.
Don't
believe,
that's
a
concern
in
any
way,
quite
the
opposite.
They
want
it
open
and
inviting
thank.
AJ
AJ
S
AC
AI
AC
S
AH
Just
to
clarify
for
you,
commissioner,
mirrenchev
staff
does
review
for
Illinois
accessibility
code
and
our
own
building
code,
compliance
with
regard
to
accessibility,
so
they
he
they'll
have
to
comply.
That's
well.
Of
course
they
have
to
just
to
clarify
for
the
record.
F
AK
Yes,
all
right
now
on
record
to
say
you
all
have
some
serious
stamina
so
for
we've
lived
just
to
the
east
of
this
for
about
eight
years
and
we've
been
patrons
of
space.
Well
before
that.
So
as
a
grounding
statement,
we
like
space,
be
like
Union.
We
want
them
to
succeed,
the
questions
that
I
have
and
I
thought.
I
didn't
know
how
these
things
work.
So
I
was
going
to
ask
questions,
but
I
guess
I
have
to
make
statements.
AK
The
we
just
want
to
make
sure
the
experience
of
the
residences,
especially
to
the
east
here
or
take
into
account
frankly,
a
little
bit
more
than
it
has
historically
and
is
in
the
current
proposal.
So
I've
got
three
things
and
you
all
are
going
to
give
me
on
time
here.
AK
So
the
the
first
thing
and
it's
helpful
that
this
is
up
because
the
a
lot
of
the
conversation
today
and
a
lot
of
the
language
and
the
proposal
has
to
do
with
the
loading
between
10
a.m,
2
p.m,
for
food
and
drink
and
whatnot
that
that's
really
not
a
concern
for
residents.
It's
actually
the
loading
that
happens
in
the
alley
for
the
bands
and
the
associated
stuff,
which
I
think
earlier
was
referenced
to
something
that's
infrequent,
it's
actually
not
infrequent.
Every
band
has
stuff
right.
AK
So
it's
an
everyday
thing
and
it's
actually
a
constant
issue,
because
people
are
constantly
double
Park,
it's
just
it's
not
a
great
solve
for
what
that
is
right
now,
so
it
seems
like
freeing
up
this
garage
space
seems
to
be
kind
of
a
natural
opportunity
to
just
migrate.
What's
not
working
to
what
could
work
in
terms
of
having
that
loading
and
all
that's
associated
with
the
artists
and
their
support,
staffs
and
whatnot
into
a
space.
AK
That's
not
going
to
be
constantly
blocking
traffic
in
that
alley
for
that
entire
residential
strip,
and
so
that,
for
me,
was
a
little
bit
of
a
I
mean
I'm
new
to
this,
but
it
just
seems
like
we
kind
of
have
an
issue.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
solve
that
and
have
the
garage
be
applied
to
what
the
kind
of
need
is,
knowing
that
three
spaces
I,
don't
really
know
why
those
three,
what
those
three
spaces
would
be
used
for.
Otherwise,
so
that
was.
Y
Plus,
plus
there
is
additional
parking
on
that
other
lot:
you're
not
hurting
for
parking
right
I
mean
you
could
move
those
three
spaces
to
the
to
the
other,
the
North
Lot,
the
north
property,
correct
or.
AJ
AK
So
I
guess
to
round
out
that
point
it
would
seem
to
make
sense
as
a
neighbor
as
a
resident
to
frankly
wipe
the
slot
the
space.
That's
current
behind
the
current
building,
because
that's
not
working
because
again,
every
band,
it's
often
their
first
time
there.
They
don't
know
it
just,
doesn't
work,
it's
really
hard
to
manage
and
it's
not
been
successful
as
we
witnessed
for
the
last
eight
years.
AK
The
second
thing
that
is
just
and
kind
of
there
have
been
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
even
this
evening
around
sound,
so
I
guess
part
of
what
my
question
is:
has
less
to
do
with
the
what's
effectively
just
an
outdoor
restaurant.
Now
that's
on
Chicago
and
more
to
do
with
the
bar.
AK
That's
in
the
back
half,
because
you
know
for
those
of
you,
who've
been
to
space
in
Union,
they're,
blessed
to
be
busy,
and
so
it
just
seems
like
that's
going
to
kind
of
naturally
a
become
overflow
for
what's
effectively
an
outdoor
bar
in
that
back
calf
that
faces
the
residences
and
then
secondly,
I
think
I
heard
that
there's
not
going
to
be
performances,
be
it
acoustic
plugged
in
whatever.
In
that
front
half
so
it's
is
that
going
to
happen,
then
in
the
back
half
it's
not
going
to
happen.
AI
A
Okay,
let's,
let's
keep
it
just
as
your
public
comment
statements.
AI
AK
Sure
so,
and
then
the
the
thing
that
I
guess
was
I
guess
is
just
a
clarifying
question.
Is
you
know
the
shows
and
10
o'clock
ish
egress
of
people,
let's
grab
another
drink,
I,
just
don't
understand
if
the
10
p.m.
Time
means
in
that
back.
AK
Half,
especially,
is
that
last
call
is
that
everybody
got
to
go
home
like
it
just
seems
like
it's
kind
of
designed
to
be
a
post,
show
Gathering
space
just
by
human
nature,
and
that
would
be
a
noise
concern
that
that
I
guess
I
think
the
residents
would
have,
and
then
thirdly-
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
got
clarified
this
evening-
is
what
the
egress
to
the
east
is.
Is
that
only
in
case
of
emergency
or
is
that
going
to
effectively
become
a
pretty
significant
pedestrian
egress
into
the
alley?
AI
With
regards
to
the
parking
in
the
alley,
I
think
I
I
think
we
agree
with
Mr
Green
that
the
use
of
the
garage
provides
an
opportunity
to
move
things
off
the
alley
and
have
the
music
musical
instruments
Etc
unloaded
in
the
garage
which
I
think
that
should
accommodate
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
maybe
he's
experienced,
we
would
be.
We
would
be
opposed
to
removing
the
space
adjacent
to
the
building,
which
has
been
there
for
years.
It's
used
for
quick
drop-offs.
We
would.
We
would
want
to
retain
that.
AI
AI
We
we
will,
you
know,
follow
the
up
the
hours
of
operation
if
you
decide
for
a
tier
two
restaurant,
but
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
standalone
bar
where
people
can
go
in
and
order
a
drink.
You
have
to
be
a
ticket
holder
for
space
and
has
to
be
part
of
your
going
to
a
performance.
AI
AI
It
will
either
be
ambient
music
like
you'll,
get
in
any
kind
of
outdoor
restaurant
or,
if
there's
a
special
event
like
a
wedding
or
some
kind
of
special
event
there.
There
might
be
something
very
small
like
a
set
of
Trio,
but
once
again
subject
to
the
nose
or
noise
ordinance
and
then
your
last
hours
for
well,
the
excess
is
just
emergency
access
to
the
east.
The
people
will
not
be
using
the
alley
to
get
out
after
a
show.
After
a
show,
they
will
go
out
via
Chicago
Avenue.
A
A
No
okay?
Thank
you.
I
will
now
close
the
record
and
move
to
Commission
deliberations.
Any
thoughts
on
the
proposal.
A
D
Think
it's
a
good
it's
a
good
project.
I,
don't
I
think
that
the
suggestions
regarding
the
the
using
the
the
two
of
the
three
parking
spaces
in
the
back
for
kind
of
equipment
and
stuff
makes
sense.
Looked
like
on
the
plan
that
for
1307
it
looked
like
there
were
a
couple
of
extra
spaces
there
anyway,
that
we're
not.
You
know
not
a
used
for
anything
so
I'm,
I'm,
supportive
of
the
project
and
the
both
the
text
Amendment
and
the
the
special
use
and
the
variation.
A
Let
me
interject:
let's:
let's
do
deliberations
on
the
whole
project
in
entirety,
but
we'll
do
votes
individually.
Y
A
E
The
only
other
comment
I'd
make
and
and
space
may
be
doing
this
already,
but
to
keep
an
open
line
of
communication
with
neighbors.
This
may
not
seem
like
you're
expanding
that
much.
But
you
know,
noise
can
travel
no
matter.
What
and
I
think
it's
important
you've
you've
been
such
a
great
neighbor
there
and
such
a
great
operation.
So
hopefully
it
can
continue
to
to
happen
that
the
neighbors
don't
have
problems
with
that
and.
Y
AD
There
can
also
be
a
sign
put
up,
you
know,
be
respectful
of
your
neighbors
as
you're,
leaving
the
premises.
A
Okay,
hearing
no
more
deliberations
I
will
move
to
reviewing
the
standards
for
approval
transition.
Those
together.
Let
me
do
one
at
a
time
and
then
we'll
do
a
vote,
so
it'll
kind
of
make
sense
what
we're
right
right
right
right,
but.
D
A
A
Okay,
I'm!
Just
going
to
quickly
read
this
first
part,
because
it's
there,
the
wisdom
of
amending
the
text
of
the
zoning
ordinance
or
the
zoning
map
is
a
matter
committed
to
the
sound,
a
legislative
discretion
of
the
city
council
and
is
not
controlled
by
any
one
standard
in
making
their
determination.
However,
the
city
council
should
in
determining
whether
to
adopt
or
deny
or
to
adopt
some
modification
of
the
land
uses.
A
This
has
already
been
operating
successfully
for
a
number
of
years
and
is
compatible
with
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
see
whether
the
proposed
amendment
will
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties.
I,
don't
believe,
we've
seen
any
serious
issues,
arguing
that
would
have
a
serious
adverse
effect
and
D
the
adequacy
of
public
facilities
and
services
I
believe
are
adequate.
So
that's
certainly
the
case.
It's
on
Chicago
Avenue
on
bus
routes
and
near
public
transportation,
so
I'm
I'm,
claiming
that
all
of
those
standards
are
met.
A
Hearing
no
comments
on
that.
Let's
just
jump
right
into
a
vote
on
that.
Okay,
oh
sorry,
I
will
need
a
motion.
C
Yes,
so
do.
D
I
move
approval
proof
that
we,
the
Landis
commission,
recommend
approval
of
the
zoning
text,
Amendment
to
add
performance,
entertainment
venues
to
the
list
of
special
uses
in
the
B1
District.
C
D
F
B
A
That
is
eight
in
favor,
zero
against
and
that
passes.
So
we
will
be
making
a
positive
recommendation
to
city
council
for
that
text.
Amendment
now
we'll
move
to
the
standards
for
the
special
use
and
the
major
variation.
A
And
there's
two
sets
okay,
all
right,
so
we
need
to
find
that
that
the
proposed
to
special
use
do
the
following.
It
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
Assuming
that
the
text
amendment
is
approved
by
city
council,
then
it
will
be
number
two
is
in
keeping
with
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adoptive
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
a
minute
from
time
to
time.
A
We've
not
come
to
any
kind
of
conclusion
about
a
overwhelming
cumulative
negative
effect.
Four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
If
anything's,
probably
an
increase
to
be
close
to
this
resource
on
Chicago
number,
five
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
That
is
also
met
by
the
public
transportation
on
Chicago
Avenue
number
six
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion,
they're,
not
increasing
the
venue
size
at
all,
but
only
of
the
accessory
type
as
well.
So
it's
not
an
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
Seven
preserves
significant
historical
and
Architectural
resources.
We're
not
aware
of
anything
in
this
project
that
needs
to
be
preserved.
In
that
regard,
number
eight
preserve
significant
natural
and
environmental
features.
Same
argument:
nine
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
in
which
it
is
located
in
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
such
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
plan
development
process
of
the
grant
of
a
variation.
We're
not
aware
of
any
other
applicable
regulations
that
have
been
not
complied
with
thanks
to
the
diligent
work
of
Staff.
Thank
you
now.
A
Right,
thank
you
to
recommend
approval
of
that
major
variation.
We
must
find
that
the
variation
meets
the
following
standards
and
and
when
considering
that
the
scope
of
the
variation
is
only
that
single
request.
Keep
that
in
mind
as
we
look
through
this,
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use
and
geometric
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
I
think
we
saw
arguments
that
it's
not
going
to
be
substantial.
A
I
think
we
we
saw
that
the
requests
for
that
variation
is
is
modest
and
not
going
against
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
A
I
I
think
we've
heard
from
the
owner
that
the
that
they're
they're
making
do
with
the
situation
in
the
alley
and
our
and
our
our.
D
They
indicated
that
there
is
not
the
appropriate
turning
radius
to
allow
the
construction
of
a
floating
birth.
Thank.
C
A
The
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
This
wasn't
something
they
created.
Seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use.
Commission
issues
that
decision
or
recommendation
to
the
city
council
regarding
said
variation.
A
This
is
only
one
variation
and
relatively
modest
and
therefore
I
believe
it's
at
least
a
deviation.
Okay,
so
I'm,
claiming
that
all
of
those
standards
are
met.
Any.
A
Hearing
no
more
conversation,
let's
move
to.
Let's
have
a
motion,
a
motion
for
all.
AH
D
A
D
D
Right
I
move
that
the
land
use
commission
with
respect
to
case
to
14
12
43
to
45
Chicago
Avenue
case
23.
D
Zmjv-0008
move
approval
of
the
requested
special
use
permit
to
allow
a
performance,
entertainment
venue
and
a
major
variation
to
not
provide
one
loading
stall
where
one
additional
one
is
required
for
the
existing
type.
One
restaurant
Union
Pizzeria
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
hours
of
operation
for
both
the
the
restaurant
in
space
be
11,
A.M
to
11
pm
Sunday
through
Thursday
and
11
A.M
to
midnight
on
Friday
and
Saturday,
plus
New
Year's
Eve,
and
that
the
facility
will
operate
within
the
guidelines
of
the
Evanston
zoning
ordinance.
D
Number
two
no
performance
occurring
will
be
no
performance
inside
the
building
will
allow
to
be
performed
in
to
perform
in
the
outside
space
and
then
continuing
on.
But
let's
see
do
we
change
the
any
outdoor
performances
shall
be
accessory
in
nature,
I
think
held
on
a
infrequent
basis
such
as
when
string,
music
or
Jazz
combo
may
be
a
part
of
a
wedding,
and
then
any
speakers
installed
to
pers
project
sound
outside
of
the
building
shall
be
used
only
as
ambient
background
music.
D
Entertainment
venue
will
require
an
amendment
to
this
special
use
that
composting
of
any
Solid,
Waste
or
food
or
other
combustible
materials
be
added
to
the
waste
management
plans
of
the
property
and
I
think
we
probably
need
to
add
the
condition
just
stating
that
the
you
know
the
the
on-site,
some
of
the
odd
site
spaces,
two
of
the
two
of
the
three
outside
spaces
will
be
available
for
loading
and
unloading
of
performance
equipment
or
use
of
the
the
space
facility.
D
AI
D
Yeah
yeah
that
two
two
yeah
two
two
of
the
three
on-site
spaces
will
be
available
for
performers
in
their
equipment.
F
B
C
A
So
that
is
eight
to
zero.
That
passes
we'll
be
making
a
positive
recommendation
to
city
council.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
staff
will
follow
up
with
you
for
next
steps.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
communication
which
I
am
not
going
to
allow
and
then
I,
don't
believe,
there's
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe.
There's
any
more
public
comment.
So
can
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.