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A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
the
February
8th,
2023
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council
Ms
Jones.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
A
With
eight
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff,
our
neighborhood
and
land
use,
planner,
Megan,
Jones,
planner,
Katie,
ashbaugh
assistant,
City
attorney
Brian,
George,
zoning
administrator
Melissa,
klotz
planning
manager,
Liz,
Williams
and
interim
community
development
director
Sarah
flax.
A
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
be
able
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant.
After
that,
person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
the
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
Define
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
recently
questioned
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
will
make
a
formal
finding
of
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
A
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
and
the
corresponding
staff
memorandum,
when
testifying
States
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you're
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
may
be
accurately
recordings
recorded
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded.
If
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
A
2524
Asbury,
thank
you
and
the
last
one
is
1420.
Leonard
Place
I
see
a
hand
all
the
way
in
the
back.
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
anybody
who
feels
they
may
speak
to
us
on
any
matter
on
the
agenda
on
tonight's
on
tonight's
agenda.
Please
be
sworn
at
this
time.
By
raising
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
or
affirm,
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
A
Thank
you.
Has
everyone
had
an
opportunity
to
sign
up
on
the
sign
up
sheets
they
were
out
earlier.
We
had
a
few
of
them.
Okay.
A
A
C
Yes,
I
have
a
several
or
two
first
on
the
top
of
page
two,
the
last
or
the
first
paragraph.
Next
to
the
last
line.
In
that
paragraph,
that's
just
a
typo,
it
should
be
was
instead
of
wqas
and
then
the
other
correction
is
with
respect
to
2201
Oakton
Street,
the
third
condition
it
was
kind
of
a
joint
condition.
It
was
the
applicant
prepares,
a
pedestrian
plan
and
an
Ingress
and
egress
plan
related
to
pedestrian
and
vehicular
safety.
D
A
Move
by
lindwall
seconded
by
pocatel
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
for
January
25th
2023,
please
say
aye.
E
A
Any
opposed
abstain.
Thank
you.
Ms
arvalo,
Mr
Vala
has
to
abstain
because
she
was
not
present
at
that
meeting.
With
that,
I've
had
a
request
that
we
shipped
some
things
around
on
the
agenda.
Does
somebody
want
to
actually
make
a
motion
on
that?
For
me.
F
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
take
the
two
houses
first,
because
I
think
that
they're
probably
shorter
in
debate
than
the
Church
Street
items.
I've.
A
Been
moved
by
commissioner
halek
to
rearrange
our
agenda
moving
new
business
item,
a
and
Item
B
ahead
of
the
old
business
item.
A
and
B.
Is
there
a
second
for
that.
A
A
And
Miss
ashbaugh
I
believe
these
are
both
your
projects.
Is
that
correct,
so
we'll
begin
with
2524
Asbury?
If
you
would,
please
read
that
into
the
record.
A
G
Todd
Israel,
architect
and
applicant
on
behalf
of
Adam
bazark
and
Caroline
hayashida
Property
Owners
request
two
major
variations
to
allow
a
single
story:
rear
addition
to
a
single
family
home
to
be
approximately
five
feet.
Nine
inches
from
the
West
rear
lot
line
where
a
rear
yard
of
30
feet
is
required
per
section,
6828
A4
and
a
building
lot
coverage
of
approximately
1
380
square
feet
or
31.06
percent,
where
no
more
than
1
333
square
feet
or
30
percent
is
allowed
per
section
6827
and
the
R1
single-family
residential
district.
G
H
My
name
is
Todd
Israel
I
live
at
4878,
North
Sheridan
in
Chicago
I'm
here
representing
my
clients,
Caroline
hayashita
and
Adam
bizark,
and
they
live
at
2524
Asbury.
Thank.
H
It's
a
single
family
house
and
we're
essentially
proposing
the
removal
of
an
unused,
dilapidated
rear,
enclosed
porch
and
proposing
an
addition
in
that
location
for
a
small
mud,
room
and
kind
of
an
open,
porch
kind
of
concept
back
there.
The
reason
we're
requesting
the
rear
yard
setback
is
because
the
requirement
is
30
feet.
It's
an
odd
shaped
lot
and
the
existing
house
is
only
about
five
foot,
nine
from
the
property
line.
H
So
in
order
to
put
the
mudroom
kind
of
porch
in
that
area,
that
there'd
be
no
way
to
do
it
without
any
kind
of
rear
yard
relief
because
of
the
lot
size
and
then
we're
requesting
a
slight
increase
in
the
lat
coverage,
but
we're
removing
an
unused
brick
patio
in
the
backyard.
So
we're
essentially
not
changing
the
excuse
me.
The
impervious
surface
coverage.
A
So
the
addition
that
you're
you're
putting
in
place
on
the
on
the
drawing
that
we
have,
which
is
I,
don't
see
a
label
on
it
other
than
your
name,
but
there's
a
drawing
that
has
the
existing
structure
and
the
new
addition.
That's
labeled
a
through
g
r,
a
through
H,
yes
that
one.
H
H
Well,
the
existing
house
is
brick
on
the
back.
We
were
probably
just
going
to
do
siding.
It
can
be
a
frame
Edition,
it's
not
visible
from
anywhere,
it's
not
visible
from
the
side
yards
or
the
alley
or
the
street,
and
there's
a
lot
of
dense
foliage
and
another
structure
immediately
to
the
West
on
the
neighbor's
lot.
C
Just
a
couple
of
just
for
clarification
on
the
proposed
or
actually
the
existing
plan
and
the
proposed
first
floor
plan.
It
looks
like
there's
a
doorway
in
the
garage,
but
on
the
elevations
there's
not
the
doorway
isn't
shown
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
door.
Is
there
yeah.
C
I
mean
that's
yeah,
there
is
a
door
there.
Okay,
there
is
a
door
and
then
I
guess
the
other
question
and
again
it
doesn't
really
affect
whether
or
not
you
know
my
view
on
the
proposed
Edition
is
whether
or
not
you
know
there
was
consideration
giving
to
having
direct
entrance
in
from
the
garage
into
the
house,
because.
H
H
A
H
I
I
to
me
it
seems
sort
of
a
an
easy
project
to
sort
of
approve
because
we're
not
we're
not
increasing
the
impervious
surface
area.
It's
in
it's
improving
the
functionality
of
the
house
and
yeah
I,
guess
that's
it.
A
All
right,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberation
based
on
the
discussion
or
lack
thereof.
I.
Think
most
of
us
are
kind
of
in
agreement
on
things,
but
in
order
to
approve
something,
we
must
find
that
there
are
seven
standards
for
a
major
variation
that
we
must
find
are
met
in
order
for
us
to
approve
anything
and
I
will
walk
us
through
those
quickly
on
the
requested
variation
number
one.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
We've
seen
no
one
from
the
neighboring
properties
show
up
to
to
say
that
they
feel
this
would
impact
them.
Also.
The
addition
seems
to
be
kind
of
hidden
away
in
a
corner
of
of
the
of
the
property
in
such
a
way
that
it
really
will
not
be
noticeable
from
too
many
places
on
the
public
way.
So
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
Number
two.
The
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
The
zoning
ordinance
does
encourage
people
to
improve
their
properties
and
make
them
more
useful
for
the
way
that
people
are
living
today.
This
is
an
older
house
and
so
I
believe
that
this
minor
variation
or
it's
a
major
variation
with
this
minor
change,
is
in
keeping
with
what
the
zoning
ordinance
intends
for
homeowners
to
be
able
to
do
number
three.
The
alleged
hardship
of
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property,
although,
unfortunately,
this
property
is
not
unique
to
Evanston.
A
We
see
many
of
these
properties
where
a
longer
property
has
been
divided
in
two
on
a
corner
street,
and
a
house
has
been
added,
therefore,
placing
two
houses
on
what
should
have
been
a
single
lot
at
one
point:
creating
situations
in
which
rear
yards
do
not
exist
or
front
yards
do
not
exist,
sometimes
for
our
side,
yards
do
not
exist,
sometimes
for
for
one
of
the
properties,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
Number
four,
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulties,
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
A
If
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out,
if
we
were
to
enforce
a
30-yard
or
30
foot
setback
in
the
rear
yard
of
this
particular
property,
most
of
the
primary
structure
could
not
exist
under
under
that
type
of
zoning
and
therefore
they
really
are
very
limited
as
to
what
they're
able
to
do
at
all
on
this
property,
so
that
standard
is
met
number
five.
The
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income.
A
We
there's
not
a
plan
to
build
anything
that
would
be
rented
out
or
in
any
way
allow
the
homeowner
to
make
additional
money
off
of
this,
and
it's
it's
really
just
adapting
the
the
house
that
they
have
to
to
fit
in
with
their
lifestyle
and
make
it
more
usable
space.
So
that
standard
is
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship,
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
A
This
was
a
lot
that
was
probably
subdivided
many
many
years
ago,
long
before
anybody
who
currently
owns
either
one
of
those
lots
actually
owned.
Those
lots
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use.
A
Commission
I
am
very
glad
to
see
that
the
attention
has
been
paid
to
Trying
to
minimize
any
increase
in
building
lock
coverage
and
keeping
that
minimal
and
maintaining
the
impervious
lot
coverage,
because
on
these
small
Lots,
that's
where
we
tend
to
see
things
get
out
of
hand,
I
saw
a
light
go
on.
Is
that
light
on
for.
D
I
just
think
we
should
note
for
the
record
that
the
two
neighbors
adjacent
to
this
homeowner
did
Issue
letters
of
support.
Yes,
this
is
always
a
helpful.
A
A
But
those
are
my
findings
of
fact.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
findings
on
the
standards?
Yes,
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
for
approval
of
2524
Asbury.
J
A
It's
been
moved
by
folktel
seconded
by
aravalo.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
just.
A
All
right
anything
else,
hearing
nothing
else
can
I
just
do
this.
One
on
voicemail.
B
K
L
A
Yes,
with
a
vote
of
eight
in
favor
and
zero
against,
the
motion
carries
and
the
relief
being
sought
is
granted
by
this
body.
You
can
talk
with
staff
and
they
will
advise
you
on
how
to
move
forward
from
this
point.
Good
luck
on
your
project!
Thank
you
with
that.
We
will
move
on
to
the
second
case,
which
has
been
moved
forward,
which
is
1420,
Leonard,
Place
I
believe
this
is
Miss
ashbaugh
again.
G
A
M
My
name
is
David
Reed
I
live
at
eight
one.
Two
gaffield
Place
three
blocks
east
of
here
all.
A
Right,
thank
you
and
if
you
would,
please
tell
us
about
the
project.
M
Yes,
the
house
I
would
like
to
build
at
1420.
Leonard
Place
would
be
for
my
wife
and
myself
to
live
in.
It
would
have
a
master
bedroom.
On
the
second
floor
for
us
and
two
additional
bedrooms
for
when
the
grandkids
visit,
it
will
be
as
close
as
possible
to
a
passive
house
standards
with
insulated
walls
ceiling
and
slab
solar
panels
triple
glazed
Windows,
Electric
pump
and
AC.
Also
a
two-car
attached
garage
with
charging
stations
for
two
electric
vehicles.
M
M
And
I
have
a
list
of
issues
that
I
think
people
have
commented
on
and
I
can
address
those.
If
I
can
do
that
yeah.
Please
do
okay,
so
number
one.
The
utility
poll
there's
a
utility
hole
behind
the
garage
at
1418
Leonard
and
that
provides
the
electrical
and
cable
to
14.
18
14,
16
Leonard
so
should
also
be
able
to
go
to
the
back
of
my
house
as
well
number
two
there's
fire
hydrant
in
front.
M
It's
10
feet
from
the
End
of
the
Street
and
eight
feet
in
from
the
curb,
so
it
would
be
about
17
feet
from
the
start
of
where
my
driveway
would
be
in
front
of
the
house.
M
M
M
Houses
from
above.
O
P
Q
M
The
front
of
the
house
by
the
way:
oh
there
we
go
next
one
very
mower
there
we
go
so
right
now,
I
went
over
there
on
Wednesday
garbage
day
last
week
and
I
just
happened
to
catch
the
garbage
truck
and
he
goes
so.
You
can
see
Wesley
Place
there
and
Leonard
Place,
Dead
ending
and
then
at
least
on
my
side
at
the
end.
That
would
be
a
that's
all
the
way
at
the
end
on
this
on
the
South
Side,
there's
14
20.,
that's
where
my
house
would
be
right
there
right
now.
M
The
garbage
truck
comes
up
the
alley.
It
stops
and
gets
those
garbage
cans
from
2134
Wesley,
which
are
or
actually
there's
two
garbage
cans
right
there
that
he
picks
up.
Then
he
makes
a
left
turn
and
goes
right
in
front
of
my
house
and
then
turns
and
goes
up
the
alley
to
get
the
garbage
cans
over
there.
So
there
would
be.
No
all
you'd
have
to
do
is
stop
and
pick
up
the
garbage
cans
in
front
of
my
house,
so
that
shouldn't
really
be
an
issue,
but.
M
A
C
It's
there,
so
it
looks
like
you
would
have
to
go
somehow
along
the
railroad,
right-of-way.
M
I
think
so,
there's
a
picture
if
you
can
scroll
down
those
pictures,
I
took
a
picture
from
the
alley
and
that
that
one
keep
going.
M
No,
not
back,
keep
going
a
little
more
there,
oh
yeah,
so
that
garage
is
behind
the
white
one
on
the
left
is
behind
14
18
right
next
to
me,
and
the
electrical
line
goes
to
the
back
of
1418
and
to
the
back
of
1416
over
the
garages.
So
presumably
it
could
also
just
go
straight
over
to
the
back
of
my
house,
which
would
be
that
way.
M
M
M
O
I
M
Bought
it
a
year
ago,
I
think
it's
been
sitting
there
for
many
many
years
nobody's
been
paying
taxes
on
it
and
it
went
to
a
tax,
sale
and
I
was
I
live
a
few
blocks
from
here.
I
was
taking
a
walk,
and
somebody
put
a
sign
out
in
front
of
it
and
so
I
bought
it
and
I've
been
paying
started,
just
started,
paying
the
real
estate
taxes
on
it.
M
M
F
Commissioner,
Hallock
yeah
I
just
want
to
say
I
appreciate
that
you're
respecting
the
side
yard
setback
adjacent
to
your
neighbor.
There
is
no
neighbor
on
the
other
sides,
so
I
don't
see
how
relevant
those
setbacks
are.
But
what
is
relevant
to
me
is
the
storm
water
runoff
from
the
berm
and
that
doesn't
affect
your
neighbors,
but
it
it
would
affect
you
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you've
had
anybody.
Look
at
that,
because
that
seems.
M
F
I
I
just
think
this
is
a
significant
issue
and
do
you
will
there
be
a
basement
in
this
or
not?
Yes,
there
would
be
a
lot
of
water
coming
down
there
right
now.
It
dissipates
over
that
whole
lot
and
you
would
be
obstructing
that,
obviously,
that
natural
flow
and
dissipation
so
I
think
it's
a
significant
issue.
M
D
D
M
Okay,
so
our
the
next
one,
actually
the
one
of
the
yeah,
the
one
one
more
there
so
right.
That
was
my
last
item.
So
the
there's
really
in
order
to
get
a
two-car
garage
which
I
need
and
which
is
required.
M
M
Got
aesthetically
real.
D
It's
at
the
end
of
the
block
and
I
get
that
there's
just
a
difference
between
you
know
a
front-facing
garage
looking
out
at
a
community
as
opposed
to
a
house
and
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
way
I
mean
I,
walk
by
your
site
and
that's
the
strangest
tightest
lot.
I've
seen
for
quite
some
time,
so
I
understand
the
challenges
with
it,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
way
to
compress
your
plan
and
and
bring
that
garage
back.
M
Foreign
yeah,
just
yeah,
you
can
go
back
up
up,
go
back
up
to
this,
the
second
one
down
from
there.
M
So
there's
the
two
guard
garage
that
there's
a
front
porch
in
the
front.
So
it
looks
like
the
others.
I'll
have
a
farmhouse
style
house
to
look
like
the
other
houses,
there's
a
great
there's,
an
entrance
in
a
great
room
and
then
a
small
patio
in
the
back
and
then
an
office,
and
then
above
there's
three
bedrooms.
So
there's
really
not
a
way
to
have
a
two-car
garage
any
other
way.
G
You
chair
Rogers
staff
would
like
to
note
that
the
average
existing
front
yard
on
the
this
particular
block
on
the
south
side
of
Leonard
places,
22
and
0.83
feet.
Other
provisions
and
six
section
6-4-19-
do
allow
for
minimum
required
yards
to
be
averaged,
based
on
the
existing
setbacks
of
the
lot.
That
may
not
necessarily
apply
precisely
to
this
slot,
but
there
are
other
Provisions
that
allow
for
setbacks
to
be
debate
based
on
the
existing
setbacks.
So
technically,
the
relief
needed
is
lesser
than
what
has
been
noticed.
C
Yeah
I
think
my
concern
is
that
a
car
parked
in
front
of
the
garage
is
going
to
overhang
the
sidewalk
so
being
able
to
push
the
front
set
back
back.
Even
a
couple
of
feet,
I
think
would
would
be
helpful
and
it
looks
like
just
from
the
dimensions
of
your
rooms.
C
You've
got
a
fairly
generous
room
sizes,
they're,
not
tiny,
so
I
think
that
it
would
be
possible
and
then
just
looking
at
the
drawing
I
just
want
to
be
clear,
because
it
looks
like
on
the
the
the
site
plan
this
drawing
that
that
the
building
is
budding
right
up
against
the
property
line
unless
I'm
reading
this
wrong.
M
Actually,
you
can
see
it
on
the
the
other,
drawing
the.
F
G
A
G
You
chair,
the
site
plan
is
actually
not
required
to
provide
a
compliant
parking
stall
in
front
of
the
home.
It's
actually
prohibited
to
park
in
front
of
your
home,
so
the
required
parking
stalls,
the
two
stalls
are
as
proposed,
are
compliant
in
size
and
allowed
to
be
contained
within
the
principal
structure.
So
technically,
if
anyone
on
the
Block
is
parking
in
front
of
their
home
in
the
driveway,
that's
not
permitted.
M
I
think
that's
pretty
much
it
I
mean.
Can
we
see
the
pictures
of
the
block
to
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
the
street
escapes
so
to
speak?
M
M
The
sidewalk
would
extend
then,
but
just
up
to
my
driveway,
but
not
too
many
people
are
going
to
be
walking
up
the
hill
that
oh
and
also
by
the
way.
This
is
the
first
house
I
bought
at
Evanston
in
1997,
which
just
happened
to
be
coincidentally
right
across
the
street
from
my
house
and
I
rehabbed
that
25
years
ago.
M
So
that
gives
an
example
of
I
did
the
whole
roof
over
cited
it
kept
the
porch,
so
I've
done
a
number
of
houses
in
Park
Ridge
over
the
years
where
I
rehabbed
old
houses,
so
I'd
have
a
feel
for
keeping
the
same
aesthetic.
Okay
over
there,
that's
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
You
can
see
some
of
the
other
houses
that
are
kind
of
even
less
of
a
setback
than
my
own,
so.
O
A
A
M
A
Thank
you
yeah
all
right.
It
goes
a
pretty
good
slope.
Yeah
yeah,
I,
just
didn't
know
how
much
if
it
swept
down
into
your
property
or
not
at
this
point,
I
have
several
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
so
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
neighbors
and
you'll
have
a
chance
to
come
back
up,
Mr
Reed
and
respond
to
anything.
That's
said.
A
A
P
I,
just
don't
think
the
Metro
is
a
typical
neighbor.
When
you
say
you
don't
have
a
neighbor
on
the
west
side.
I
just
really
disagree,
I
think
the
Metro
is
a
huge
neighbor.
They
have
incredible
roles,
I've
been
reading
through
their
guidelines
and
suggestions
for
Railways
that
are
arima,
AR,
EMA
and
then
I've
been
reading,
like
the
guidelines
that
the
actual
Union
Pacific
Railway
has
for
any
construction
within
so
many
feet
of
its
berm.
P
You
know
its
biggest
things
that
it
wants
to
protect
is
drainage
to
protect
the
Integrity
of
the
berm
right
of
way
and
the
Integrity
of
the
embankments
itself,
which
we
can
probably
all
remember
the
Skokie
Swift
when
it
was
undermined
in
2015
by
this
Walsh
company,
which
is
a
huge
company
digging
for
the
Metropolitan
water
district
and
the
Skokie
line.
Embankment
just
fell
out
from
under
the
tracks,
and
it
was
a
good
thing.
The
operator
noticed,
or
else
the
train
would
have
gone
off
the
track.
P
So
now
I
live
right
there
and
across
the
street,
1418
lives
right
there
and
we
are
the
closest
homes
to
the
Metra
on
the
entire
North
Line.
There
is
a
development
from
diversity
which
is
2800
to
300
North,
which
is
Wellington
in
Chicago
that
abuts
the
Metro
track,
but
everywhere
else
there's
a
good
right-of-way
for
the
Metra
and
for
drainage
and
for
you
know,
Integrity
of
the
embankment.
It
just
goes
all
the
way
up
to
Wisconsin.
But
we
all
know
the
green
break.
P
P
I
don't
know,
and
I
really
really
want
Assurance
from
the
elephant
in
the
room,
which
is
the
Metro,
the
Union
Pacific
Railway
that
some
developer
coming
in
and
digging
an
eight-foot
Foundation
36
inches
from
their
berm,
with
no
distinct
plan
for
how
to
deal
with
drainage
that
that
that's
okay
in
the
one
lot,
so
this
house
at
1420,
will
essentially
be
the
closest
structure
ever
built
on
this
Railway
line.
Ever
since
1855.
36
inches
is
pretty
dang
close
for
an
eight
foot.
P
Foundation,
you
put
the
crane
in
there,
you
dig
it
out
and
you
have
to
retain
it
all.
The
specifications
on
this
Railway
construction
guidance
outline
says
that
this
is
has
to
be
not
ordinary,
retaining
structure
until
you
get
your
foundation
built
and
then,
when
you
get
your
foundation
built,
it's
no
ordinary
concrete.
It
has
to
withstand
so
many
more
amounts
of
upheaval.
You
know
we're
going
to
have
vibration
on
this,
while
it's
waiting
for
construction
so
many
times
a
day.
The
train
goes
by
36
inches
from
where
this
guy's
digging
so
I'm.
P
P
Looking
like
it's
about
10
or
11
feet
from
his
property
line,
but
it's
more
seven,
so
the
garage
outcrop
is
larger
than
his
picture
looks
because
the
front
of
the
neighbor's
home
is
20
feet
so
I'm
just
imagining
that
it
really
will
be
looked
down
the
street.
You
see
a
garage
wall,
but
all
of
that
stuff,
oh
and
I,
don't
agree
with
the
garbage
being
in
front
because
I've
lived
there
for
20
years
in
rodents.
Oh
my
God
rodents.
This
is
their
natural
home.
This
is
where
they
live.
P
Wildlife
lives
in
the
Metro,
it's
teeming
with
Wildlife
to
put
a
luscious
home
36
inches
from
where
they
live
holy
moly
I
can't
even
imagine
the
garbage
that
will
be
strewn
all
over
the
front
on
a
weekly
basis
like
it
is
in
the
alley,
but
in
the
alley
it
has
many
garbage
cans
to
choose
from
in
the
front
it'll
be
one
garbage
can,
out
of
which
will
come,
chicken
bones
and
pizza
and
bread
and
all
sorts
of
other
things
that
they
redistribute
every
night
in
the
alley
on
a
regular
basis.
But
we
live
there.
P
We
who
live
there,
we
clean
it
up.
We
keep
the
alley.
Looking
nice,
it's
decent,
but
the
raccoons
own
raccoons
they've
dug
holes
in
my
roof.
They
I
like
having
my
landscape,
so
I
know
I'm,
encouraging
them
to
some
degree
but
I've
dogs,
so
that
discourages
them
to
some
degree.
But
every
year
I
fight
the
rodents,
I
can't
even
imagine
putting
a
vibrating
home
36
inches
from
the
Metro
I
mean
for
future
use.
P
I
really
worry
for
the
people
who
will
live
in
this
house
in
the
future
that
they
won't
know
that
they're
buying
into
something
that
to
maintain
Integrity
is
probably
going
to
take
more
dollars
than
they
think.
But
besides
that,
Metra
is
my
safety
concern.
If
the
Metro
were
to
come
down
here
and
bless
it
then
I'd
say:
okay,
it's
just
these
visual
issues,
but
I
don't
think
this
committee
can
rule
on
a
variance
on
behalf
of
the
Metro
when
they
have
very
strict
guidelines
for
construction
anywhere
near
their
berm.
P
O
P
Metro,
if,
if
you
did
not
pass
judgment
unless
until
the
Metro
had
a
thorough
investigation
of
the
plan,
the
plot
the
right
of
way
the
drainage
I
just
feel
like
this
is
asking
for
trouble
not
the
year
after
but
years
and
years
after
it's
going
to
look
back
and
they're
going
to
say.
Well,
they
just
let
them
dig
there
and
it
could.
A
A
Thank
you,
I
have
a
couple.
Other
people
I
think
who
have
signed
up,
but
they
didn't
list
the
case.
They
were
signing
up
but
they're
on
Leonard
Place,
so
I'm,
guessing
Michael
Hannibal.
O
N
Michael
honeybold
1411,
Leonard,
Place
I
just
wanted
to
to
bring
up
two
things.
So,
firstly,
you
know
I
Echo
the
concerns
about
the
Metro.
You
know
it
is
a
just
absolutely
thunderous
experience
twice
a
day
and
you
know
you
really
feel
we're
sort
of
halfway
down
the
street,
and
so
definitely
you
know
we
can.
We
can
definitely
vouch
for
that.
The
other
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
was
that
there
was
some
hand-drawn
images
depicting
the
streets
representing
where
various
properties
on
the
streets
ended.
N
As
someone
who
lives,
apparently
at
a
very
you
know,
sort
of
abrupt
forward
setback
relative
to
that
drawing
I
mean
that's,
definitely
not
what
we
experience
every
day
and
I
would
just
implore
you
to
just
you
know
we.
We
really
need
some
more
accurate
representations
of
what
the
street
actually
looks
like,
because
that
really
was
quite
a
dramatic
I
think
over
representation
of
how
there
is
some
variance
in
the
in
the
setbacks
in
the
street.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
those
are
the
two.
J
Just
over
and
I
lived
at
1418,
Leonard,
Place,
so
immediately
adjacent
to
this
property,
and
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
there
for
35
years.
J
We
lovingly
call
1420
Lake
Leonard
because
of
the
water.
The
pools
in
I
could
have
brought
photos,
but
my
husband
and
I
tease
it's
our
lake
house.
We
certainly
understand
why
the
applicant
needs
to
apply
for
variations
as
we
never
imagined
anybody
could
build
on
this
substandard
lot.
J
The
applicants
request
for
variations
the
issue
of
the
front
setback
from
27
feet
to
7.7
feet.
We
also
question
the
calculations
of
the
Year
rear
yard
setback.
Measuring
the
distance
from
the
point
of
the
triangle
of
this
odd-shaped
lot
to
the
rear
of
the
house
does
not
meet
the
intent
of
the
rear
setback
and
should
require
approval
of
a
variation
as
well.
J
I
do
not
believe
you
need.
You
can
meet
the
standards
for
approval
of
the
front
yard
variation
specifically
number
one.
Two
and
seven.
Let
me
explain
standard
one.
The
requested
variation
will
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties
because
visually
it
would
protrude
far
beyond
other
houses.
On
the
street,
especially
on
our
side
of
the
street,
it
will
also
block
light
to
the
adjacent
property
and
cast
a
shadow
on
the
house
across
the
street
standard
number.
Two.
J
The
requested
variation
is
not
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
because
of
the
purpose,
because
the
purpose
of
an
R3
district
is
to
provide
for
infill
development
that
preserves
the
physical
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
protrusion
of
the
structure.
So
far
into
the
front
yard
setback
interrupts
the
physical
character
of
the
neighborhood
standard
number.
Seven,
the
required
variation
does
not
require
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
amongst
feasible
options.
J
J
It
will
have
a
significantly
adverse
impact
on
the
use
and
enjoyment
of
our
property.
You
may
be
encouraged
to
support
a
project
that
promotes
electrical
vehicles
and
solar
energy,
but
you
are
reviewing
a
request
for
setback.
Variations
and
their,
and
these
have
not
been
approved.
These
features
are
Incorporated
in
the
plans
presented
for
building
permit.
J
A
You
Kenya
Reyes.
A
A
Actually,
no
I've
I've
taken
your
testimony,
so
thank
you,
Mr
Reed.
If
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
say
anything
in
summation.
M
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
as
far
as
noise
goes,
I
think
the
fact
the
idea
of
having
a
really
insulated
house
would
I
mean
people
build
houses
on
New,
York,
City
and
but
having
a
really
insulated
house.
It'll
be
interesting
to
me,
see
that
should
mitigate
the
noise
issue.
For
us,
that's
what
we're
thinking
other
than
that
I
understand
the
neighbors,
probably
don't
want
to
have
Construction
in
their
street
I.
Try
to
make
it
as
minimal
as
possible.
M
I
was
going
to
keep
my
own
house
and
rent
it
out
and
then
possibly
my
children
would
would
move
in.
This
is
just
for
my
wife
and
myself
and
we
hope
to
get
it
done
and
move
in
by
September
I
think
we
can
keep
it.
You
know
as
there's
plenty
of
room
for
all
the
materials
and
stuff
like
that,
so
so
I
try
to
be
as
good
neighbor
as
I
could.
M
But
anyways
I
I
understand
everybody's
concerns
and
as
far
as
the
being
close
to
the
tracks
I
mean
we
are
set
back
off,
I'm
sure,
I,
I
know
in
the
building
process
or
the
billing
permit
application.
We
would
have
to
deal
with
all
the
engineering
aspects
and
stuff
like
that.
So
if
we
had
to
you
know
we
couldn't
do
it
at
that
point.
M
You
know
that
would
be
up
to
the
plan
examiners
and
whoever
approves
the
building
permits
and
stuff,
but
so
I
guess
that's
it.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
all
right.
O
K
Sir
I
have
suggestions
that
can
let's
say
answer
to
some
of
the
questions
erased.
Will
it
be
agreeable
to
give
up
the
basement.
M
K
It
it
has
nothing
to
do
currently
with
the
variance
setbacks
and
all
these
things,
but
we
are
concerned
when
we
are
reviewing
such
projects
with
all
aspects
of
the
future
of
this
building
and
all
the
neighbors
and
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have
here
with
the
birth
is
the
rainwater.
Currently,
it
may
not
be
unusual,
as
you
mentioned,
but
if
you
put
a
basement
it
is
an
issue,
so
I
would
suggest
that
you
make
this
compromise.
The
other
thing
is:
if
we
can
go
back
to
the
elevations,
can
we
go
back.
K
M
K
Q
Just
from
chatting
briefly
with
staff,
it's
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
a
lot
of
the
discussion
around
the
flooding
and
the
you
know
whether
it's
going
to
be
a
basement
or
not
is
outside
of
the
scope
of
the
relief
that's
being
requested
here
and
I
think
like
whether
a
basement
will
be
included
or
not
has
to
go
through
wmrd
and
there's.
There's
a
lot
going
on
here.
That's
outside
of
the
scope
of
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
today
and
staff
can
feel
free
to
correct
me
if
I'm
misstating.
A
I
I
would
agree
with
with
the
general
finding
on
that.
I
would
say,
though,
that
we
do
have
to
have
we.
We
do
have
some
concern,
because
part
of
our
standards
is
the
impact
on
neighboring
properties,
and
so
the
concern
that
I
would
like
to
limit
us
to
is.
Are
we
moving
water
somewhere
else
and
not
necessarily
what's
happening
with
the
water
here,
but
is
it
moving
to
a
different
property
because
of
something
we're
allowing
here.
G
Chair
Rogers,
respectfully,
the
city
Engineers
do
review
where
water
will
go
during
the
building
permit
phase.
They
would
do
this
whether
this
would
be
required
by
right.
They
would
make
sure
it's
diverted
to
the
public
right-of-way
Into,
the
Storm
sewer
or
any
self-contained
water,
because
it's
prohibited
from
flowing
onto
other
private
properties,
correct.
A
Correct
but
that's
part
of
the
that's
part
of
the
calculus
that
we
look
at
as
well.
Thank
you,
Mr
Reed.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
say
that
we
didn't
hit
on
I?
Think,
that's
it
all
right.
Thank
you
with
that.
We
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberation
again.
This
is
a
major
variation
on
which
we
are
determining
body.
F
Yeah,
given
the
unusual
nature
of
the
site,
shape
of
the
site,
location
of
the
site
location
at
the
end
of
the
block,
the
other
buildings
across
the
street
and
on
on
this
side
of
the
street
I
I
personally,
don't
have
any
objection
to
the
the
setback
issues.
So,
if
that's,
if
that's,
if
our
purview
is
confined
to
that,
then
then
I
don't
have
any
objections.
But
excuse
me,
I'm,
just
gonna
expound
on
this
other
issue.
F
I
do
think
that
I
don't
know
whether
the
building
department
checks
with
Metro,
but
that
I
would
in
our
whatever
recommendation
we
come
up
with
I.
Would
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
that
be
the
case
and
look
very
very
closely
at
this
water
issue,
because
even
if
the
water
can
be
theoretically
drained
to
other
areas,
I
I
still
think
that
this
has
a
good.
This
house
has
a
good
chance
of
having
water
problems
big
time,
so.
D
I
I
do
still
have
a
problem
with
the
front
setback,
but
I
do
understand
the
setbacks
on
that
block
very
a
great
deal.
This
is
simply
the
only
one
that
will
have
a
double
double
car
garage
facing
the
other
neighbors,
which
seems
a
little
intrusive,
but
I
understand.
The
lot
does
not
allow
for
a
great
deal
of
variation.
D
There
I
still
feel
that
getting
that
house
a
little
smaller
would
be
helpful
and
seeing
even
recapturing
a
few
feet
would
be
helpful
for
the
Neighbors
I
do
want
to
say
that
constructing
that
house
is
going
to
be
quite
an
interesting
puzzle
and
I
would
recommend
if
this
goes
forward,
that
a
construction
and
staging
plan
be
developed
by
the
applicant
and
shared
with
the
neighbors.
A
A
For
many
years
we've
had
a
few
of
these
in
the
City
of
Evanston
I
think
it
was
about
two
years
ago
the
city
came
up
with
a
plan
for
small
houses,
and
this
to
me
seems
like
a
lot
where
a
small
house
would
make
a
lot
of
sense,
but
that's
not
what
I'm,
seeing
here
I'm
seeing
basically
a
moderate
sized
house
placed
on
a
small
lot.
A
I
do
have
some
issues
with
with
the
setbacks,
particularly
the
front
yard,
set
back,
bringing
it
so
far
forward,
and
and
that's
my
my
biggest
issue
with
it
conditional
involt
did
you.
C
And
they
would
not
apply
to
this
particular
lot
because
it
still
requires
a
27
foot
front
setback
so
but
I
think
that
there
are
some
things
that
could
be
done.
You
know
from
a
design
standpoint
in
terms
of
a
nicer
looking
garage
door,
something
more
decorative.
They
certainly
make
them
and
I.
Think
commissioner
marichev's
suggestion
about
looking
at
you
know
how
the
you
know
some
you
know
design
treatments
to
minimize
the
impact
of
being
that
far
forward
on
the
lot
and
I.
C
Think
even
you
know
shrinking
the
the
width
of
the
house,
a
foot
or
two
so
that
the
garage
could
be
set
back.
Another
foot
or
two
would
be
would
be
helpful,
but
again
our
our
task
is,
you
know
the
variations
requested
really
relate
just
to
the
you
know
the
front
and
side
yard
setbacks
and
I'm,
not
as
given
the
location
against
the
the
metric.
You
know
Metra
tracks,
you
know
where
the
the
garage
door
would
be.
Protruding
I
mean
they're.
Really
it's
it's
not
it's
not
like.
C
It
was
in
the
middle
of
a
block,
so
I'm
not
as
concerned,
but
I
yeah,
but
I.
Think
that
the
you
know
the
dealing
with
Union,
Pacific
and
and
one
and
again
that's
more
a
matter
of
permit
and
and
the
analysis
during
the
you
know.
The
more
intensive
design
phase
is
something
that
really
ought
to
be
carefully
considered
both
by
the
city
and
the
applicant.
I
All
right,
yeah
I'm,
usually
in
favor,
of
trying
to
find
Creative
Solutions
to
difficult
Lots,
which
this
one
is.
The
idea
of
adus
crossed
my
mind
as
well,
but
this
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
feels
like
an
excessive
amount
of
variations
to
try
to
request
to
make
this
work
and
we're
just
pulling
too
many
making
too
many
compromises
to
try
to
make
a
moderate
house
fit
in
a
place
where
it
really
seems
to
not
not
belong.
I
A
Thank
you,
I
want
to
clarify
with
staff.
Is
it
a
truly
a
20?
Is
this
a
full
27
foot
front
yard?
No,
no!
No,
but
for
this
for
this
particular
property.
D
O
A
You
anything
else
before
I
go
through
standards
feel
free
to
chime
in,
because
I
have
the
feeling
we
will
have
disagreements
in
some
of
the
standards.
A
The
first
standard
being
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use.
Enjoyment
are
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
We
have
heard
some
testimony
from
some
neighbors
that
they
are
concerned
about
the
the
impact
that
having
this
particular
property
built
would
have
on
their
neighborhood
are
on
their
individual
properties.
A
It's
always
tricky
because
anytime,
an
empty
lot
is
developed,
there's
going
to
be
changes
and
some
neighbors
do
not
like
those
changes
and
the
the
thing
that
that
I'm
weighing
here
is
the
use
of
the
word
substantial
I
do
think
it
will
have
an
impact
I,
don't
know
that
it'll
be
substantial,
but
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
front
yard
setback
but
I'm
going
to
address
that
elsewhere.
A
Any
other
thoughts
on
that
standard
I
think
it's
met.
Okay,
thank
you
number
two.
The
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
zoning
ordinance
does
encourage
the
development
of
empty
lots.
This
is
an
empty
lot.
We
don't
like
to
have
empty
lots
just
sitting
around
doing
nothing.
A
Obviously
we
like
to
develop
those
because
then
the
city
is
able
to
to
generate
income
off
of
those
through
property
taxes,
and
so
I
believe
that
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
is
met
because
we
are
seeking
to
develop
empty
lots.
Number
three.
The
alleged
hardship
for
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
argument
here.
This
is
a
very,
very
peculiar
lot.
A
It's
a
full-on
triangle
which
sometimes
we
get
properties
that
are
rectangular
with
a
little
section
of
a
cut
out
or
something
like
that.
But
anything
along
any
of
the
railroads
we
discovered
is
is
very
creates
some
very
peculiar
properties
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
so
that
one
is
met.
Number
four:
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
for
practical
difficulties,
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
that
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out.
A
We've
heard
that
we're
looking
at
a
22,
roughly
22
foot
front
yard,
set
back
here,
based
on
the
average
of
the
other
homes
along
the
block.
I
believe
that
a
house
could
be
built
here.
It
would
be
a
small
house
but
I
believe
it's
a
house
that
could
be
built
and
this
property
could
be
developed.
However,
I
don't
feel
this
is
the
right
house
for
this
property.
I,
don't
feel
that
standard
is
met,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
some
other
Commissioners
do.
A
F
Would
say
that
it's
meant
because
it's
a
not
only
a
special
lot,
but
it's
at
the
end
of
the
street
and
I
think
that
that
to
me
says
that
there
could
be
an
exception
to
that
front.
Yard
setback.
So.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
The
purpose
of
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income.
A
A
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
I
believe
this
standard
is
met.
The
lot
creates
the
issue.
I,
don't
think
this
particular
person
has
created
the
issue
so
that
standard,
in
my
opinion,
is
met
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use.
Commission.
This
one
I,
don't
feel,
is
met
again.
A
I
think
this
is
is
too
large
of
a
house
for
a
very
unique
and
small
lot
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
so
I
will
be
voting
no
on
on
that
particular
standard
as
well,
but
I'm
sure
again,
some
Commissioners
will
have
differing
opinions
on
that.
A
At
this
point,
I
normally
ask
if
anybody
has
if
everybody
agrees
but
I
know,
that's
not
the
case.
Is
there
anything
anybody
would
like
to
say
before
we
do
the
voting
in
support
of
any
of
the
standards
that
I
did
not
find
were
met.
A
F
A
second
can
this
issue
of
the
of
the
Metra
and
the
drainage,
and
that
how
can
we
put
that
as
part
of
our
not
our
vote,
but
our
recommendation
I.
A
Think
I
think
that's
one
of
the
conditions
and
it's
one
that
should
be
met
by
the
city
staff
just
in
their
due
diligence
of
creating
any
sort
of
a
building
permit.
I
was
going
to
ask
if
there
were
any
other
conditions.
I
heard
somebody
mention
something
about
a
garage
door,
maybe
not
being
just
a
slab
door
or
something
but
I,
don't
know
if
somebody
wants
to
make
a
condition
on
that,
so
anybody
who
wants
to
make
conditions
this
is
the
opportunity
to
do
this.
Do
so.
F
Oh
yeah
I,
like
I
liked
I,
would
like
to
add
those
well.
Those
three
I
guess:
first
condition
that
that
the
building
department
pay
specific
attention
to
the
drainage
of
this
site
and,
secondly,
that
they
verify
that
all
the
that
Metra
is
in
agreement
with
the
location
of
of
the
West
Wall
on
this
project
and,
thirdly,
that
the
garage
door
be
something
other
than
standard.
That
is
more
aesthetically.
Appealing.
A
D
A
Right
I
know
the
attorney
wants
to
weigh
in
on
this.
A
All
right,
so
the
conditions
would
be
paying
particular
attention
to
drainage
issues
by
our
Engineers
when
a
plan
is
being
put
through
permit.
There
was
one
on
the
construction
plan
being
developed.
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
one
to
to
impact,
because
that
would
have
impact
on
neighbors
and
then
the
garage
door
or.
A
Pleasing
garage
door
with
that
I
will
ask
if
we
can
take
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
we.
B
A
I'm
going
to
vote
no,
which
is
going
to
force
us
into
a
tie,
which
means
that
we,
since
we
are
a
determining
body,
we
must
find
five
concurring
votes
one
way
or
the
other,
so
this
matter
will
be
continued
with
a
vote
held
open
until
commissioner
Hugo
can
come
and
cast
his
vote,
there
will
be
no
additional
testimony
taken
because
the
vote
is
open.
A
So
at
the
next
meeting
that
he
attends,
he
will
be
asked
to
cast
his
vote
on
this
particular
matter,
and
that
will
be
the
closing
of
the
vote
and
the
finalization
of
that.
So
there
is
no
resolution
to
this
particular
case
at
this
moment,
so
everything
will
be
on
hold
until
commissioner
Hugo
is
able
to
vote
that
wraps
up
those
two
cases.
So
now
we'll
move
on
to
the
major
cases
of
this
evening.
A
We
have
two
cases
that
are
kind
of
tied
in
hand
in
hand.
These
cases
were
brought
before
this
commission
back
in
January.
There
was
a
request
for
a
continuance
which
was
granted
and
so
before
we
move
into
everything
I'm
going
to
ask
the
the
applicant
if
they
would
come
up
and
just
kind
of
remind
us
of
their
project.
Briefly
and
of
anything
that
has
transpired
in
the
meantime,
I
will
also
say
that
I
know
a
number
of
people
have
signed
up.
A
I
will
ask
you
to
keep
your
comments
limited
to
the
matter
at
hand,
and
if
you
spoke
at
the
last
meeting,
please
do
not
get
up
and
just
kind
of
rehash
the
exact
same
points.
We've
got
those
in
the
record
we're
aware
of
those,
but
you
can
get
up
and
say:
I
spoke
at
the
last
meeting.
A
Please
remember
that
these
were
the
points
I
brought
up,
but
don't
go
into
a
long
litany
place.
So
with
that
Pastor
Wilson
and
Mr
Konig.
You
are
before
us
again.
If
you
could
just
kind
of
remind
us
of
The
Proposal
that
you
have
yeah.
A
S
Yes,
my
name
again,
my
name
is
Pastor
Clifford
Wilson
I
am
the
senior
pastor
of
Mount
Pisgah
Ministry
we've
been
at
18
11
18
13,
15
search
Street
for
nearly
40
years
in
the
community.
Our
church
has
been
there
serving
in
the
community
and
serving
that
community,
and
we
want
to
continue
to
do
the
work
that
we've
been
doing,
but
just
in
a
new
facility.
T
I'm
Richard
Koenig
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Housing
Opportunity
Development
Corporation,
we're
a
501c3
non-profit
organization
that
develops
and
manages
affordable
housing
throughout
the
northern
suburbs.
The
Proposal
that
we
have
before
today
is,
as
you
mentioned,
intimately
tied
together.
The
city
owns
the
lot
at
1801,
1805,
Church,
Street
and
1708
1710,
and
issued
a
request
for
qualifications
back
in
January
of
2020
and
mount
Pisco
Industries
and
hodc
we're
the
only
two
organizations
that
applied
to
develop
that
parcel.
T
They
would
all
meet
the
city's
affordability
requirement.
All
the
households
who
would
qualify
to
live
there
would
be
lower
income,
households
that
earn
less
than
60
of
the
air
median
income.
The
rents
would
all
be
below
Market.
The
way
that
we're
able
to
do
that.
We
are
requesting
a
mix
of
units
to
be
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
So
we're
not
meeting
the
affordability
requirement
just
by
making
smaller
units
by
making
studio
apartments,
we're
actually
building
large
units
for
families,
for
families
with
children,
for
families.
T
That
would
are
we
productive
members
of
the
community
and
that
so
the
part
of
the
reason
that
we
need
the
size
that
we're
looking
at
is
that
we're
building
large
units
to
meet
families
are
building
yards
units
that
would
qualify.
T
That
would
be
useful
for
families
that
would
be
living
there.
So
we
can
go
any
level
of
detail
that
you
want
to
more
information
about
the
proposal.
We
provide
a
lot
of
information.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
information,
but
the
the
quick
follow-up
from
what
happened
a
month
ago
is
that
we
did
Pastor
Wilson
and
councilmember
burns
and
I
met
with
Miss
Jackson.
Who
is
one
of
the
representatives
from
The
Neighbor
Next
Door?
We
did
meet
on
Monday
the
January,
the
30th
and
went
over
our
proposal.
T
A
A
O
A
Thank
you.
You
had
requested
the
the
continuance
to
gain
additional
information
and
I
I
would
I
would
just
like
to
hear
what
what
you
have
learned.
U
I,
so
the
building
is
owned
in
Crosby,
Theodore
LLC
and
we
actually
have
Council
here
tonight
for
the
building
ownership.
So
I
am
one
of
the
principals
of
the
law
firm.
That's
the
tenant,
but
I
don't
want
to
sort
of
for
the
two
of
us
to
step
over
each
other
in
deference
to
your
time.
So.
A
U
I,
don't
know
what
the
most
productive
approach
is
towards
both
of
us
talking
and
not
wasting
your
time,
but
I
would
say
that
I
didn't
find
the
meeting.
I
was
anticipating
a
public
meeting.
This
was
the
first
as
I
shared
at
the
last
meeting.
This
was
sort
of
the
first
we
were
hearing
about
this.
U
We
were
playing
catch
up,
learning
about
things
and
I
didn't
find
the
meeting,
but
that
council
member
Burns
coordinated
to
be
incredibly
productive,
not
because
it
wasn't
thoughtful
of
him
to
do
so,
but
because
we
had
sort
of
only
been
about
two
weeks
into
reviewing
all
of
this
and
Mr
Koenig
sort
of
approached
it
I
felt
as
if
it
was
what
what
did
we
want.
Did
we
want
some
parking
spots?
U
Would
that
sort
of
placate
what
we
wanted
and
we
were
very
much
looking
forward
to
a
and
it
was
organized
by
council
member
I
thought
he
would
sort
of
lead
the
meeting
he
did
not
so
it
was
sort
of
I
didn't
have
the
agenda
or
call
the
meeting
it
just
wasn't
exactly
oriented
the
way
that
I
anticipated
so
and
we're
we're
not
looking
for
some
concessions.
We
have
broader
concerns
about
that
are
raised
in
the
lengthy
documents
that
you
all
received.
We
have
broader
and
much
more
comprehensive
concerns
than
sort
of.
U
Why
couldn't
this
building
be
built
this
size?
Instead
of
this
size,
well,
affordable
housing?
We
need
affordable
housing,
which
is
something
that,
as
I
voiced
before
we're
all
in
agreement
on,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
any
one
public
policy
concern
can
dictate
everything
that
happens
in
every
other
corner
of
city,
government
and
I.
Also
as
me
and
my
team
have
talked
about,
were
so
I
came
to
Evanston
I'll,
be
brief.
I
promise
I'm
a
lawyer,
but
I
promise
I
can
do
it.
U
I
came
to
Evanston
in
2014
with
my
husband,
we
were
in
newlyweds
and
we
came
here
because
I
we're
living
in
New,
Mexico
and
I
needed
medical
care.
I
was
real
chair-bound
at
the
time,
and
I
was
50,
pounds
lighter
and
chronically
ill,
and
we
came
here
because
Evanston
Hospital
is
phenomenal
and
I
benefited
from
the
health
and
the
professionals
at
Evanston,
Hospital
and
I
went
as
I.
Recovered.
U
I
went
and
worked
at
another
law
firm,
and
it
is
an
excruciating
profession
in
which
to
try
to
make
a
physical
recovery
and
it
just
wasn't
congruent
with
being
a
healthy
person
as
well.
My
husband
and
I.
We
met
before
law
school.
We
went
together,
we
founded
our
own
Law
Firm
here
in
Evanston
when
we
lived
in
a
basement
apartment
and
we
sort
of
we
had
39
in
our
bank
account
when
we
moved
here,
we
had
I
was
sick.
Much
of
pre
Obamacare.
We
had
50
000
in
medical
debt
to
pay
off.
U
We
did
it.
We
moved
from
our
basement
apartment
to
a
one
bedroom
apartment,
and
now
we
have
a
two
bedroom
home
and
we
had
a
daughter
last
year
and
we
built
a
law
firm.
That
is
my
other
baby.
It's
an
environment
in
which
my
husband
and
one
other
gentleman
are
the
only
male
employees,
there's
I
believe
17
women
employed
there.
Over
half
of
us
live
in
Evanston.
We
financially
incentivize
people
to
move
to
Evanston,
so
some
of
our
employees
do
and
we
bonus
them
for
doing
so.
We
assist
with
moving
costs.
U
We
incentivize
people
to
live
a
20-minute
walk
from
the
office
if
possible.
Many
of
us
walk
to
work.
Many
of
us
are
raising
our
families
in
this
community.
We
too
are
members
of
this
community.
We
have
incentivized
work-life
balance,
we
close
at
noon
on
Fridays.
In
the
summer
we
have
bridal
showers
and
baby
showers
and
charity
events
and
neighborhood
events
in
our
Courtyard.
U
That
is
gorgeous
and
we
have
lovingly
dumped
all
of
our
savings
into
rehabilitating
this
building
and
creating
more
offices
and
really
fostering
an
environment
in
which
it's
one
where
people
get
to
be
a
lawyer,
but
they
also
get
to
work
40
hours
a
week
and
it's
okay.
If
they
it's
a
diverse
group
of
people,
both
in
terms
of
disabilities,
gender
race,
background
everything
and
it's
something
thing
we're
so
proud
of
in
this
building's
history
and
the
fact
that
it
really
is
in
our
community
is
something
that
we
really
treasure.
U
And
so
that's
why
we
bring
feeling
to
it.
That's
why
we
bring
such
concern
and
consideration
and
why
we've
worked
so
hard
to
both
understand
this,
but
also
really
understand
it
in
the
fabric
of
the
community
that
surrounds
the
building,
because
we
are
new,
we've
been
on
the
Block
a
few
weeks
or
a
few
years,
but
we've
been
in
Evanston
longer
than
that
and
our
my
health
has
been
fostered
in
this
community.
U
Our
business
has
been
fostered
in
this
community
and
we
feel
really
grateful
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
we
want
that
to
continue
and
for
what
we've
poured
into
that
building
to
continue
to
be
enjoyed.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
just
as
context
in
terms
of
as
you
hear
neighbor
what
neighbors
have
to
say.
We
really
we
love
coming
to
work
and
we
love
the
building
that
we
call
home
so,
but
I
will
defer
to
my
attorney
as
promised.
A
Thank
you,
counselor.
V
Sure
my
name
is
Haley
guyan
and
I
am
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
Crosby
Theodore
LLC
I
live
on
2025
Sherman
Avenue
here
in
Evanston,
so
as
Aaron
shared
I'm
speaking
in
conjunction
or
to
supplement
written
testimony.
Each
of
you
should
have
received
prior
to
this
hearing,
I
trust
that
each
of
you
received
that
or
have
had
a
chance
to
review
it.
We.
A
V
Okay,
I
will:
what
I
had
planned
to
do
was
sort
of
provide
a
high
level
overview
of
the
high
points
of
the
written
testimony.
I
would
implore
the
Commissioners
to
take
the
time
they
need
to
read
the
submission,
because
the
written
testimony
provides
the
full
scope
of
our
arguments
and
this
we
don't
have
time
to
go
over
this.
F
A
F
Are
very
closely
so
you're
you're
addressing
and
I
I
did
also
read
this
I,
maybe
not
every
word
but
you're
addressing
the
housing
part
of
it.
Correct.
V
That's
correct
so
again,
I'll
request.
We
we
did
our
best
to
submit
it
with
ample
time
for
the
commission
to
consider,
but
if,
if
you
need
more
time
to
make
a
finding
effect
by
taking
the
time
you
need
to
read
the
materials,
I
would
request
the
commission
to
do
so.
V
So
again,
I'll
reiterate:
we
are
not
restating
what
we've
discussed
previously.
We,
as
Aaron
mentioned
since
we've
last
met,
we've
learned
some
things
about
the
position
of
hodc
and
our
view
is
that
it
is
immovable
and
neglects
to,
and
we
think
lacks
sensitivity
to
the
needs
and
concerns
of
local
residents
in
the
community,
as
well
as
the
owner
of
1817
Church
Street.
Who
has
a
legal
interest
in
in
this
proposal
as
an
adjoining
property
owner.
V
We
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
highlight
those
those
concerns,
and
then
we
do
have
outstanding
questions
for
the
applicant
that,
with
the
commissioner's
permission,
we'd
like
to
ask
so
in
some
a
lot
of
these
requests.
As
we
view
them
are
extreme
for
the
major
variations
and
and
many
are
created
by
the
applicant
themselves
themselves.
Clearly,
they're
working
together,
hodc
in
Mount,
Pisgah,
there's
five
Parcels
at
issue.
V
It's
it's
certainly
possible
and
there
are
feasible
alternatives
for
them
to
consider
those
Parcels
in
a
different
way
to
be
mapped
out
in
a
different
way,
such
that
the
setbacks,
the
impervious
surface
area
and
the
the
loading
dock,
and
certainly
the
height,
could
be
adjusted
so
that
the
commission
is
not
in
a
position
to
to
opine
on
to
quote
the
testimony
of
Carla
Sutton
previously
of
the
avoidable
and
disheartening
dilemma
as
to
whether
affordable
housing
fits
the
character
of
the
community.
V
Again,
we
reiterate
our
support
of
affordable
housing
in
the
community,
and
we
think
it's
a
bit
misguided
to
assume
that
the
puzzle
of
whether
a
variation
should
be
granted
in
order
to
Grant,
affordable
housing
in
Evanston
has
to
be
forced
upon
you.
We
don't
think,
that's
necessarily
something
that
needs
to
happen
so
number
one
there's.
Definitely
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
the
adjoining
property,
which
is
a
Historic
Landmark,
will
highlight
the
height,
the
setback,
the
impervious
surface
area
and
the
loading
dock.
V
We
have
flooding
concerns.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
money
and
time
and
Aaron
mentioned
Savings
in
repairing
the
the
floor
that
the
west
side
of
the
building
has
suffered
from
as
a
result
of
flooding.
The
grade
of
the
property
is
such
that
it,
in
order
to
be
Ada
accessible,
is
such
that
the
water
flow
and
flooding
has
been
a
recurrent
issue
and
and
something
that
the
there's
been
much
invested
into
making
that
repair.
V
So
the
changes
to
the
impervious
surface
area
such
that
there
would
be
virtually
a
hundred
percent
impervious
surface
area
next
door
were
were
very
concerned
about
the
the
light
issue
is
something
our
written.
Testimony
goes
into
at
length.
V
V
V
The
setback
specifically
presents
subsidence
concerns.
We
understand
that
there
was
a
soil
study
completed
by
the
by
hodc
after
the
first
hearing,
but
we
have
not
yet
seen
the
results
of
that
the
East
setback.
Variations
specifically
were
concerned
will
impact
the
fragility
fragility
of
the
Historic
Landmark
soil
samples
can
help
inform
sort
of
the
ability
for
that
subsidence
to
be
mitigated
and
and
we'd
like
to
see
that
that
those
results
and
we
we
haven't
the
detrimental
argument,
detrimental
Reliance
argument.
V
I'll
also
add
ties
to
the
light
the
owners
put
in
substantial
time,
thought
and
effort
into
the
construction
of
the
second
floor,
Renovations
to
harness
light
using
the
the
lights,
the
Name
Escapes
Me
skylights
above
thank
you
above
offices,
We've
reduced
our
use
of
electricity.
For
that
exact
reason,
a
height
of
five
stories
again,
a
major
variation
which
we
would
posit
there
are
feasible
alternatives
to
is
a
is
a
market
problem
and
and
again
if,
but
for
the
zoning
ordinance
as
it
is
written
in
its
current
form.
V
Perhaps
there
would
have
been
different
designs
considered
and
conversations
with
the
architect
before
before
that,
so
the
garage
and
dwelling
unit,
the
written
testimony,
speaks
to
the
owners
have
a
lot
behind
the
courtyard
that
is
is
vacant
and
there's
the
there
are
plans
to
use
that
lot
in
a
way
to
contribute
to
affordable
housing
and
certainly
the
light
as
well.
V
There's
plans
that
are
in
the
works
to
use
that
property
for
solar
panels
and
use
solar
panels
to
generate
the
energy
and
return
it
to
the
grid
as
needed.
The
height
again
frustrates
that
purpose.
V
The
plans
for
that
are
you
know
the
owners
are
building
up
their
reserves
to
continue
that
forward,
given
the
money
spent
on
the
flooring
and
repair
from
the
flooding
that
we've
experienced
when,
when
considering
the
setbacks,
we'd
also
like
the
Commissioners
to
consider
the
safety
plan
to
address
any
worker
or
employee
that
is
exposed
to
hazardous
materials,
we're
a
firm
of
we're,
a
small
business.
V
We
have
people
who
work
in
the
area,
some
of
whom
have
lung
disease
and,
if
covet,
is
a
non-going
concern,
but
certainly
the
the
gargantuan
nature
of
the
structure
and
it's
its
size.
The
development,
the
the
noise,
the
dust.
All
of
that
we've
not
seen
that
contemplated
by
hodc
and
we'd
like
to
know
more
about
how
the
safety
of
workers
and
employees
at
the
adjoining
property
will
be
accommodated
and
prioritized.
V
I
mentioned
at
the
top
of
the
testimony
that
we're
Limited
in
some
ways
to
the
restructuring
Windows
Etc
due
to
the
building's
historic
nature,
and
that's
something
we
want
to
emphasize
to
the
commission.
The
it
presents
unique
difficulty
for
us
when
we
consider
any
renovation,
specifically
with
flooding.
So
when
presented
with
the
proposal
by
hodc
that
there
would
be
a
five-story
building
next
door,
no
setbacks
a
hundred
percent
impervious
surface
area,
plus
a
loading
dock.
It
makes
us
sort
of.
V
We
feel
we
have
a
duty
and
an
obligation
to
preserve
the
historic
nature
of
our
building
and
that's
something
that
we
we
take
seriously
and
it
does
present
unique
difficulty
for
us
and
we
want
it
to
be
heard
and
understood
the
other
areas
in
Evanston
that
may
be
better
suited
for
the
public
interest
that
this
development
intends
to
serve
may
be
a
B3
District,
there's
more
space
per
acre
and
it's
density
and
height.
We
offer
that
to
the
commission
for
its
consideration
as
a
feasible
alternative.
V
V
When
you
look
at
the
neighborhood
there's
Evanston
Township,
High,
School,
there's
residential
property
bicyclists
pedestrians
I
walk
to
work,
the
volume
of
people
who
will
be
inhabiting
this
space
will
increase
exponentially
and
we
understand
the
parking
is
an
ongoing
concern
of
other
stakeholders
involved
and
that's
something
that
again,
we
think
the
major
variation
here
doesn't
need
to
be
granted.
There
are
ways
to
address
the
unique
area
that
this
property,
where
this
property
exists,
that
that
can
contemplate
that
parking
issue,
as
well
as
congestion
density,
Etc.
V
I
guess
I'll
close
with
the
again
I
reiterate
that
the
written
testimony
is
extensive
and
these
are
but
a
high
level
summary
of
What's
what
our
concerns
are,
but
the
hodc's
burden
is
to
prove
these
items
and
and
that
the
variations
are
meet.
V
The
standards
that
the
commission
has
to
find,
as
a
matter
of
fact
that
they
meet
and
and
its
position
has
been
that
at
least
in
our
view,
remains
at
any
departure
of
any
major
variation
is
quote
infeasible
that
doesn't
meet
the
standard
that
it's
and
the
burden
it
has
to.
In
order
to
prove
that
to
the
commission
that
these
major
variations
are
acceptable
and
by
that
logic,
if
any
variation,
any
departure
of
any
variation
isn't
feasible.
I
would
encourage
the
commission
to
to
deny
all
major
variations.
V
It
seems
again
the
flexibility
on
movement
in
some
areas
of
the
major
variation,
in
our
view,
was
not
existent,
and
so
that's
a
constraint
that
we
find
is
unfortunate
in
this
proposal,
but
it
seems
to
be
a
reality
that
we've
heard
again
and
again.
V
V
However,
with
the
testimony
I've
given
I,
do
think
that
there's
ample
evidence
to
prove
that
there's
certainly
of
a
volume
of
facts
that
are
contrary
to
a
finding
that
there
should
be
an
acceptance
of
these
major
variations,
and
we
would
recommend
that
the
commission
sign
that
there
should
be
a
denial
of
the
request
for
major
variations
based
on
the
facts
presented.
A
Perform
I
I
prefer
not
to
do
it
that
way,
because
I
don't
want
to
have
just
discussions
going
back
and
forth.
Has
Mr
Koenig
received
a
copy
of
these
okay?
You
can
do
you
have
an
extra
copy?
If
not,
you
can
share
mine
because
I
have
the
PowerPoint.
A
Because
what
I'm
going
to
do,
then,
is
I.
Have
a
couple
questions
for
staff,
so
I'll
give
Mr
Cannon
a
chance
to
kind
of
look
through
the
questions
there,
since
he's
just
seeing
them.
For
the
first
time,
questions
for
staff,
the
B-2
District
versus
the
West
End,
Evanston
overlay
or
west
Evanston
overlay,
which
one
are
we
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District.
A
W
I
think
that's
a
fair
assessment.
The
variations
that
relate
to
the
front
yard,
build
to
Zone
the
west
and
in
East
interior
side
yard.
Setbacks
are
all
West
Evanston
overlay,
District
requirements.
The
impervious
surface
coverage
is
a
West
Evanston
overlay
requirement.
The
ziggurat
setback
is
also
a
West
Evanston.
W
The
the
variations
that
are
triggered
that
are
not
part
of
the
West
Evanston
overlay
relate
to
the
building
height.
That
would
still
be
a
variation
in
the
B2,
and
the
loading
dock
is
something
that's
not
required
by
the
the
West
Evanston.
Oh
really,
that's
that's
a
base.
Zoning
requirement.
A
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
Miss?
Is
it
Gian
sorry
I
wrote
it
down,
but
I
couldn't
remember
how
to
pronounce
it.
When
I
thought
I
wrote
it
down.
That's.
V
F
And
there
are
lots
of
people
here
and
I
I,
just
don't
know
if,
if
it's
proper
to
give
you,
you
know
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
walk
through
all
these
questions
without
hearing
I'm.
V
If
I
may,
we
fully
recognize
we're
one
stakeholder,
we
are
an
adjoining
property,
but
we
fully
concede
we're
one
stakeholder
of
what
we
hope
to
be
many
voices
heard.
V
A
You
I
will
take
public
testimony,
so
that
will
give
the
applicant
an
opportunity
to
look
through
the
questions
that
have
been
presented
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
those
I.
Have
several
people
who
have
spoken
are
signed
up
to
speak
again.
I
will
remind
people
to
if
you've
spoken
before
on
the
matter.
Please
do
not
rehash
the
exact
same
argument,
because
we've
heard
those,
but
if
there's
new
testimony
or
new
information
you'd
like
to
share
with
us,
please
do
that
as
well.
X
X
I
put
my
two
cents
in,
but
you
know,
I
have
great
respect
for
those
who
are
opposed
to
this
development
because
I've
known
many
of
them
for
many
many
years
and
they
are
the
eyes
the
critical
eyes
of
what's
happening
in
West
Evanston,
so
I
have
great
respect
for
them,
but
I
also
was
looking
at
it
in
this
way
that
you
have
a
team
and
Pastor
Wilson
and
then
Richard
Koenig.
X
You
have
a
team
of
experience
there
40
years
for
the
pastor
and
I,
don't
know
how
many
years
Richard
has
been
doing
this
Housing
Development
for
affordable
housing,
I'm
really
concerned
about
it.
Just
a
little
bit
of
history
for
65
years,
I've
probably
walked
past
Daryl
and
Church
Street
millions
of
times
in
my
lifetime.
X
I
am
truly
hopeful
that
we
would
just
stop
kicking
this
can
down
the
road
because
it
seems
like
that's
what's
happening
here
over
two
decades
ago
we
had
money
to
do
something
with
that
lot
and
put
affordable
housing,
and
it
was
not
done,
and
here
we
are
20
years
later,
standing
here
talking
about
a
lot
that
should
have
affordable
housing
on
it,
I
think
the
longer
we
take
every
day
every
hour,
every
minute
every
week
that
we
take,
and
we
push
this
to
the
side
and
don't
act
on
it
seriously,
we're
losing
our
chance
for
affordable
housing
there
in
that
Ward.
X
A
You
Mr
Fuller,
the
next
speaker
I
have
signed
up,
is
Stuart
Cleveland.
Y
I'm,
just
speaking
in
support
of
The
Proposal,
which
seems
to
me
to
be
an
excellent
use
of
resources
and
available
space
and
which
addresses
a
serious
lack
of
affordable
housing.
Here
in
Evanston,
The
Proposal
was
sponsored
by
two
impressive
entities:
Mount
Pisgah
Ministry
has
a
long
and
distinguished
history
of
serving
religious
and
Community
needs
and
Housing
Opportunity
Development
Corporation
will
be
an
excellent
partner
for
the
church
and
for
the
city
for
40
years.
Y
Hodc
has
worked
to
make
safe
housing
available
to
families
and
to
provide
housing
for
seniors,
so
they
don't
have
to
move
out
of
the
hull
out
of
the
towns
for
they
lived
and
worked.
The
corporation
has
completed
31,
affordable
housing
projects
in
cook,
Lake
and
McHenry.
County
I
hope
that
you'll
vote
to
make
this
one
the
32nd.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
Of
course,
so
bird
friendly
Evanston
has
engaged
with
the
city
and
developers
since
2015
to
adjust
buildings
to
be
more
bird
friendly,
we're
thrilled
that
the
city
passed
the
bird
friendly
ordinance
and
continue
to
work
with
the
city
staff
and
propose
developments
on
on
how
to
meet
the
ordinance
requirements.
I
wanted
to
that.
We
have
two
requests:
it's
very
difficult
for
us,
even
as
just
public,
to
determine
if
developers
are
complying
with
the
ordinance,
in
particular
by
determining
that
their
buildings
meet
the
threat
requirements
in
the
ordinance.
Z
The
ordinance
requires
that
developers
calculate
how
bird
friendly
their
building
is,
for
example,
concrete
is
not
a
threat
to
birds,
but
for
reflective,
glass
or
steel
is
a
threat
to
birds,
so
they
have
different
ratings.
The
city
ordinance
includes
a
worksheet
to
make
these
calculations,
and
we
wonder
whether
the
city
could
include
the
completed
worksheet
in
the
public
packets
or
in
the
city
web
page
as
to
plan
developments
or
some
not
only
as
to
these
applicants,
but
in
going
forward
to
make
it
more
transparent
whether
whether
that
ordinance
is
being
complied
with.
Z
The
second
question
I'd
like
to
ask
is
that
there's
a
typo
in
the
last
page
of
the
ordinance
that
says
that
the
penalty
is
0.75
percent
of
the
building
permit
fee
it.
This
was
tracking,
is
Chicago,
it
should
be
75
percent
of
the
building
permit
fee.
We've
submitted
that
to
the
legal
department
and
the
sustainability
coordinator,
but
we
hope
that
that
gets
resolved
and
I
wanted
to
say
it
on
the
record.
Thank
you
so
much
for
all
you're
doing
that
was
that
was
it
from
us.
Thank.
A
R
The
application
of
the
ordinance
is
applied
at
the
time
of
building
permit,
so
that
worksheet
is
a
requirement
as
part
of
the
building
permit
application
and
is
reviewed
by
staff
at
that
time,
and
as
it
pertains
to
the
scrivener's
error
that
was
mentioned,
that
is
being
addressed
by
the
city
clerk
and
will
be
updated
on
the
city's
website
to
reflect
the
75
percent,
which
was
what
was
intended.
Thank.
A
You,
the
next
speaker
I,
have
signed
up,
is
Carla
Sutton,
Mr,
Sutton.
AA
AA
This
kind
of
construction
would
completely
Advance
affect
us
in
the
use
and
enjoyment
of
our
property,
but
in
addition,
the
density
has
there
been
a
soil
sample.
Has
there
been
a
traffic
study,
you're
right
between
the
transfer
station
and
Evanston
Township
High
School?
There
are
no
setbacks
and
that
bus
lane
worked
kids
have
to
ride
back
and
forth
to
school.
They
have
to
watch
out
for
trucks.
Turning
and
it's
a
very,
very
dangerous.
It
has
taken
me
sometimes
over
seven
minutes
to
cross
the
intersection
at
church
and
Daryl.
AA
So
we
need
to
have
further
studies
before
you
go.
Secondly,
are
the
variations,
the
intent
of
the
zoning?
The
zoning
is
business.
This
proposal
is
requesting
14
variances.
If
that's
not
problematic,
as
Prima
facial
evidence,
I,
don't
know
what
else
is
number
three
practical
difficulty
to
A,
peculiar
property,
It's,
A,
peculiar
property,
all
right,
and
yes,
for
all
these
people
who
did
not
live
in
my
neighborhood,
who
are
concerned
about
affordable
housing.
What
I
suggest
they
do
is
go
back
to
your
own
community
and
try
to
provide
it.
We
have
two
habitat
for
humanities.
AA
We
have
landlords
that
80
percent
rent
to
people
who
have
vouchers.
We
have
two
homes
of
Cook
County
housing
on
the
corner
of
Daryl.
What
more
do
you
expect
of
us
in
one
or
two
blocks?
Are
we
The
Dumping
Ground
for
every
project
and
how
could
this
be
affordable
if
the
60
of
the
income,
the
income
of
Evanston,
is
a
hundred
thousand
that
sixty
percent
means
the
person
who
moved
in
there
would
have
to
earn
at
least
sixty
thousand
dollars?
AA
Are
you
kidding
me
number
four
property
owner
will
receive
a
hardship,
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
hardship
he's
receiving
when
he's
getting
the
land
for
free,
which
is
worth
one
million
dollars,
and
the
City
of
Evanston
is
already
passed
to
give
him
four
million
without
passing
the
planned
commission
or
the
city
council
number
five
purpose:
a
very
Asian
to
have
existing
income.
Oh
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
more
income
when
only
four
units
out
of
40
are
be
available
for
vultures,
and
each
unit
cost
is
approximately
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
AA
Do
you
know
how
many
vacant
homes
you
could
buy
in
the
Fifth
Ward
to
provide
affordable
housing
for
people
who
need
it
or
assistance
for
us
to
stay
here?
Number
six
difficulty
to
any
person
who
is
within
the
region.
It's
extreme
and
I've
already
eliminated.
That
and
I
also
requested
this
time
that
you
do
not
send
this
proposal,
which
is
called
section
6359,
ordinance,
9204
and
9203
do
not
do
not
recommend.
AA
E
AA
A
The
next
speaker,
I,
have
and
I'm
sorry
I'm,
going
to
probably
ruin
this
name,
because
I
can't
read
the
writing.
Is
it
radical
Lutz.
AB
Hi,
my
name
is
raditza
SATs
and
I'm.
The
owner
of
1810
1812
Daryl
I've
been
renting
a
four
flats
for
20
years,
and
you
want
me
to
tell
you
the
horror
stories
we've
been
through,
that
we
on
our
block,
have
more
low
income,
affordable
houses
than
homeowners.
We
are
the
Servants
of
low
income.
We
are
for
low
income.
We
are
not
for
this
building
to
come
in
our
block
where
we
need
a
commercial
spaces.
AB
Are
we
less
of
a
people
that
we
cannot
have
a
bookstore,
that
we
cannot
have
a
coffee
shop
that
we
cannot
have
a
flower
shop?
Then
we
cannot
have
a
art
center
in
this
place.
So
this
proposal
we
are
for
low
income.
We
want
scattered
sites,
I
have
gone
on
Zillow
and
indentified.
Many
places
that
these
people
can
make
their
multi-million
dollar
profits.
AB
I
can
read
them,
but
I
don't
want
to
take
all
of
your
time.
I
have
contacted
the
the
real
estate
agents
in
the
neighborhood.
They
can
provide
them
these
numbers
and
places
and
they
can
buy
our
our
aldermen
is
working
against
us.
Not
with
us.
I
have
spoken
to
him
that
we
can
identify
these
sites
and
then
we
can
provide
additional,
low-income
housing
scattered
throughout
the
area.
In
20
years
we
have
gone
through
gun
violence
through
shootings
through
drug
dealings.
AB
They
can
make
their
millions
of
profits
on
an
individual
sites.
They
can
take
the
houses
in
this
repair.
They
can
take
the
houses
that
need
to
be
fixed,
that
they
can
do
something
better
to
the
community.
18
years
ago
we've
been
down
this
road.
This
is
another
major
trauma.
That's
been
introduced
to
our
neighborhood
that
we
have
to
go
through
this
again.
AB
AB
I
went
to
Section
8
I
ran
to
Working
Poor.
There
is
11
vehicles,
I
lived
in
a
communist
country,
not
even
in
a
communist
country.
In
a
in
a
post-second
world
war
time,
you
were
allowed
to
build
a
condo
for
a
person
to
live
without
a
balcony
without
an
inch
of
Green
Space,
but
in
United
States
of
Illinois
in
Evanston.
This
is
proposed.
AB
In
addition,
I
haven't
been
a
victim
of
small
time,
developer,
1834
Daryl.
It
was
allowed
three
townhouses
to
be
built.
The
front
doors
are
facing
other
people's
garbage
cans
on
the
Alley.
Is
that
allowed
anywhere
else
in
the
Evanston?
It
is
only
allowed
in
our
block
and
so
200
feet
of
the
alley.
Did
this
developer
profited
from
did
not
pay
for
one
foot
of
the
alley?
You
can
check
it.
It's
all
in
the
records
200
feet
of
the
alley
paid.
AB
AB
AB
AB
It's
about
this
Corporation
profiting
non-for-profit
is
profit,
let's
be
clear.
Just
because
you
don't
have
a
shareholders
and
you
don't
have
dividends,
it
is
for
profit,
and
it's
for
major
profit.
I
would
like
an
explanation:
how
can
a
builder,
who
is
building
for-profit,
buying
land,
paying
money
back
to
the
bank?
AB
AB
Do
we
have
to
go
through
this
again,
this
neighborhood
in
just
in
last,
four
or
five
years?
Our
couple
blocks
have
been
better
because
after
2008,
few
of
the
houses
have
gone
into
foreclosure
in
1700
block
and
fortunately
they've
been
turned
into
a
single
family
home,
so
the
ratio
of
a
homeowner
and
a
and
a
renter
has
changed
just
a
just
a
small
amount,
but
enough
that
we
can
have
a
breather
that
we
don't
have
to
watch
over
our
shoulder
all
the
time
you
know
who
who's
who's
around
us.
AB
Please
speak
to
all
of
the
officers.
I
have
so
many
of
them
in
my
phone
to
see
what
troubles
we've
had
and
are
these
people
Birds?
They
don't
eat
they.
Don't
they
don't
have
family
members?
They
don't
have
grandparents.
My
low-income
tenants
have
11
Vehicles
they're
45
units
I.
Guess
they
don't
have
family
members,
they
don't
have
guests,
they
don't
have
cousins
who
have
been
evicted
from
other
properties
who
are
going
to
move
in
here.
This
is
all
okay,
I
vote
and
beg
you
to
ask
that
this
site
is
dedicated
for
something
meaningful.
AB
Like
a
library
branch
like
a
bookstore
like
coffee
shop,
something
of
that
kind
and
what
about
the
church
isn't
that
church
place
of
worship?
No,
it
has
anything
against
the
church,
but
they
don't
their
people
what
their
their
own
foot.
They
come
with
horse
and
buggy
they're
flying
and
they
just
have
drones
to
be.
Where
are
they
gonna
Park?
So
we're
gonna
have
over
200
Vehicles
up
and
down
17
and
1800
block
of
Daryl?
AB
Would
any
of
you
live
next
to
it?
And
these
fine
people
I
want
to
know
that
do
their
families
live
inside
these
buildings?
Did
anyone
buy
a
house
next
to
the
project?
That's
so
wholeheartedly
believe
in
the
answer
is
no
and
one
more
one
shouldn't
be
my
first
comment:
none
of
us
were
notified.
I
know
only
about
two
people.
They
live
by
this
lot
that
they
have
seen
notification.
None
of
us
were
notified.
AB
I
get
notified
from
City
of
Evanston
when
my
neighbor
was
fixing
his
basement
on
lions,
but
I
didn't
get
notified
about
something
major
that
it's
going
to
affect
20
years
of
my
work,
so
I
beg
you
all
to
see
that
we
are
valuable
members
of
this
community.
We
are
the
people
who
who
serve
low
income,
not
to
turn
against
us
and
not
to
destroy
us
in
the
name
of
big
prophet
and
to
use
this
money
wisely.
AB
How
we
can
serve
people
in
need,
so
I
propose
to
these
people.
They
can
make
their
profits.
Let's
come
to
us.
Let's
identify
the
properties
in
the
neighborhood
that
they
could
be
turned
into
something
like
that.
It
is
cruel
to
Cluster
such
a
number
of
poverty
in
one
spot.
It
is
cruel
people
with
no
upward
Mobility.
O
O
O
AC
Evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Kenya
Reza
I
live
at
1722,
Daryl,
Avenue
I,
don't
have
anything
prepared.
So
it's
kind
of
up
the
top
of
my
head
I
thank
radithia
that
she
notified
us.
This
is
the
first
time
that
I'm
hearing
about
a
construction
being
done
right
down
this.
The
street
from
me
I,
am
concerned
about
all
the
traffic
about
all
the
cars
there's
already
several
churches
around
us
and
it's
Litter
with
cars.
AC
Every
Sunday
personally,
the
church
piscott
I've,
never
heard
of
anything
being
given
back
to
the
community.
I've
never
had
Pastor
I
hi
I'm,
a
neighbor
I've,
never
met
you
before
sorry,
so
to
build
a
bigger
Church
for
someone
who
I
don't
know
it's
kind
of
no
sorry
again,
I
I
do
agree
that
that
empty
lot
is
an
eyesore.
I
do
agree
that
we
need
to
do
something
to
make
it
better
for
our
community.
I
am
one
of
the
families
that
have
moved
in
to
the
foreclosed
homes
and.
AC
I
I've
seen
more
more
foreclosed
homes
being
built
into
family
homes.
I
have
great
neighbors
as
as
a
result
of
that,
but
I
do
also
live
two
houses
down
from
what
was
a
problem
house,
affordable,
house
raids,
every
other
every
other
day,
shotguns
being
fired.
So
for
those
of
you
who
don't
live
in
our
block,
I,
really
don't
think
that
they
should
have
an
input.
They
don't
have
that
right.
Next
door,
I
have
kids,
affordable
housing,
I,
I
I'm
for
it,
but
not
every
other
house
from
me.
AC
Sorry,
we,
you
know,
we
work
hard.
We
work
hard
to
have
our
properties
and
for
them
to
just
come
in
and
not
even
notify
us
or
be
present
and
say
hey.
What
do
you
think
hey?
This
is
what
we're
doing?
What
do
you
any
ideas
it
was.
There
was
no
notification.
I
just
knew
about
that
today,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
the
way
to
go.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Todd
Smith.
AD
Good
evening
my
name
is
Todd:
Smith
I
live
at
1920,
Asbury
I,
also
own
rental
property
nearby.
This
this
proposed
development
I
just
have
a
couple
things
to
add
to
Anton
what
my
colleagues
have
said
earlier:
Raditz
and
Carlos
and
others.
We
support
affordable
housing
right,
but
why
does
all
affordable
housing
have
to
come
to
the
Fifth
Ward?
There's
all
these
other
Awards
out
here
right.
So
why
do
they
continue
to
push
this
to
the
fourth
ward?
AD
We
support
affordable
housing
within
limits
right
when
I
say
limits,
I
mean
it
has
to
fit
in
the
Resident.
It
can't
be
some
humongous
buildings,
some
five-story
building
that
doesn't
fit
in
that
neighborhood.
If
you
look
up
and
down
there
and
around
Church,
there
are
no
buildings
that
big
or
that
tall
second
thing,
I
would
say
who's
going
to
secure
this
building
and
have
security
provided
for
this
building
is
how's
that
going
to
be
taken
care
of
Right
Where.
Are
these
people
all
going
to
park?
What
about
the
traffic
issue?
AD
There
are
many
different
issues
with
this
building
I
mean
I'm
all
for
supporting,
affordable
housing,
but
let's
make
some
smaller
units
everywhere.
Around
the
world
they're
going
away
from
concentrated
homes
right
projects,
vacancies
right,
so
why
are
we
looking
at
putting
a
project
up
here
in
Evanston
right?
So
why
can't
we
get
scattered
site
housing
throughout
Evanston
to
solve
this
problem
right?
AD
There
are
many
issues
with
this
building.
First
of
all,
the
strange
Aloft
right
across
the
street
has
air
conditions
issues
right.
We
all
know
that
we've
been
battling
that
for
a
year
right,
so
they've
done
some
work
to
bring
it
down,
but
you're
willing
to
put
people
adjacent
to
that.
That
would
live
in
a
bad
air
quality.
I,
don't
think
that's
a
good
thing
to
do.
You
might
as
well
be
like
the
place
where
Flint
Michigan,
where
they
have
water
problems
right.
So
why
do
we
want
to
subject
people
to
that,
especially
our
people?
AD
The
next
thing,
I
would
say,
is
why
don't
we
look
at
how
this
is
being
done
elsewhere
throughout
the
country
to
solve
the
homeless
issues
and
low-income
properties
and
take
advantage
of
what's
been
done
there
instead
of
trying
to
recreate
the
will,
because
they
have
a
lot
of
programs
in
California
and
other
places?
So
we
should
be
looking
at
what
they've
done
a
couple.
Other
things
I'd
like
to
add
is
who's
going
to
manage
this
building
right.
AD
Is
there
going
to
be
an
on-site
manager
for
this
building
and
why
would
we
pay
450
000
a
unit
for
development
of
a
house?
We
want
people
to
live
in
the
area
right
and
all
take
ownership
and
then
they'll
take
more
pride
in
their
property
and
take
better
care
of
it.
So,
right
now
we
have
the
higher
level
of
renter
throughout
Evanston
into
Fifth
Ward.
We
want
more
owners
in
Evanston
as
well,
so
come
up
with
programs
that
will
induce
the
method
to
that
they
can
afford
this
right.
AD
So
take
some
of
that
money
that
they're
talking
about
building
with
and
let's
give
it
to
people
to
buy
homes
or
enable
them
to
purchase
homes.
Okay,
that's
pretty
much
all
I
want
to
say,
but
I
mean
I.
We
we
fought
this
building.
I
don't
know
how
long
ago
it
was
10
years
ago
where
we
denounced
this
building,
and
here
it
comes
back
again
and
so
I
don't
think
it
was
good,
then
and
I,
don't
think
it's
good
now
for
the
neighborhood.
A
Say
Thank
you
Mr
Smith,
Mustafa,
Ali,
alib,
hi,.
AE
Good
evening
this
is
Mustafa,
alibai
I
just
moved
to
the
area
I'm
living
on
1811,
Line
Street,
and
it's
just
a
couple
of
months,
but
to
be
very
much
surprising,
you
can
say
just
for
the
just
couple
of
months,
so
much
traffic
only
on
one
day
because
of
Sunday
church,
it's
a
small
church
just
across
my
home
and
we
are
having
so
much
problem
with
it.
AE
So
we
don't
want
problem
to
the
existing
inhabitants
of
the
area
and
it's
a
pretty
decent
area
single
family
homes
out
there,
but
a
big
building
I
think
would
be
a
threat
to
the
existing
residents
over
there.
I
support
all
the
views
put
by
the
people
who
are
against
this,
but
I'm
not
saying
that
it
should
not
be,
but
we
have
to
work
out
something
which
is
working
for
everybody
good.
AE
E
If
we
look
at
the
C
and
w
market
and
Foundation
what
they're
going
to
be
doing
putting
in
six
affordable
housing
apartments,
we
look
at
this
project
with
44
Apartments
all
sides
to
deal
with
families.
All
at
affordable
rates
are
very
well
planned
on-site
coordination
all
being
done
by
a
very
experienced
developer.
E
E
So
it's
it's
a
project
that
you
know
supports
the
council's
priority
for
affordable
housing
and
it's
a
good
fit
for
the
community.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
brownberger
Willie
Shaw,.
AF
AF
Louis
Shaw
and
I
live
at
700
Milford
I'm,
not
here
to
speak,
really
pro-arcon
for
this
project,
because
I
really
don't
know
enough
about
it,
but
I
do
know
and
am
very
clear
that
affordable
housing
is
an
issue
in
Evanston
and
I,
see
it
on
a
daily
basis.
You
know,
I
see
it
when
I'm
in
the
store
in
a
meeting
of
social
gathering
in
our
schools.
The
numbers
of
African
Americans
that
are
in
Evanston
now
has
just
dwindled.
Year
after
year
after
year,
many
of
the
former
residents
have
shared
many
times
with
me.
AF
Additionally,
I
meet
someone
often
that
I
haven't
seen
a
long
period
of
time.
After
a
short
greetings,
same
story,
I
cannot
afford
to
live
in
Evanston.
That's
why
you
have
not
seen
me
so:
affordable
housing,
whether
it's
where
this
area
is
or
somewhere
else
in
Evanston.
It
is
necessary
that
we
do
something
about
it
in
Evanston,
particularly
if
we
want
to
maintain
the
diversity
that
we
hear
and
all
the
time.
That
is
something
that's
desirable
in
this
community.
AF
I
know
a
lot
of
people
like
research,
so
I
looked
at
a
couple
of
things:
a
bit
of
research
for
those
people
that,
like
that-
and
it
says,
according
to
the
census
report,
the
largest
minority
group
in
Evanston
at
the
time
African-American
population
was
16
749
in
1990.,
sixteen
thousand
seven
hundred
and
four
in
two
thousand
and
dropped
to
thirteen
thousand
four
hundred
and
seventy
four
in
twenty
ten
one
of
the
previous
speakers
believe
me.
We
know
about
trauma.
We
know
about
gentrification
you're,
not
the
first
one.
AF
We've
lived
it
in
here
in
Evanston.
For
a
long
time.
The
2010
census
showed
that
a
sizable
percentage
of
the
city's
total
number
of
black
residents
at
thirteen
thousand
or
so
all
live
in
a
four
census
tract
on
evanston's
West
Side.
The
percentage
remain
the
same
as
the
2000
census,
but
instead
of
declining
almost
by
52
from
1990.
AF
AF
There
are
mounds
there's
mounds
of
research
that
shows
that
increasing
accessibility
to
affordable
housing
is
one
of
the
most
cost
effective
strategies
to
reducing
intergenerational
poverty
and
increasing
economic
growth.
Affordable
housing
builds
sustainable
communities.
Development
in
neighborhoods
bring
a
positive
impact
on
the
surrounding
communities.
It
uplifts
the
residents,
it
encourages
social
connection,
it
reduces
overcrowdedness,
it
attracts
businesses,
jobs
and
it
lowers
the
crime
rate.
AF
So,
whatever
concessions
that
we
can
make,
if
it's
for
this
development,
that's
on
the
church
in
Daryl
area,
I
hope
that
we
can,
if
it's
another
place,
that's
fine
too,
but
we
need
to
figure
out
something
to
do
with
affordable
housing
in
Evanston
and
particularly
African-American
residents,
who
have
been,
who
have
been
displaced.
The
most.
AG
AG
I
think
I've
mentioned
before
that
the
the
level
of
housing
cost
burden
in
Evanston,
as
well
as
in
the
whole
region,
is
overwhelming.
Close
to
half
of
the
people
in
Evanston
are
paying
more
than
a
third
of
their
income
on
housing.
As
Ms
Shaw
just
said,
people
of
color
and
people
with
low
incomes
are
leaving
Evanston
in
droves
because
they
can't
afford
it
adjoining
forces.
AG
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
people
make
statements
tonight
and
we
hear
it
all
over
town
whenever
there's
a
development
that
I
am
all
for
affordable
housing.
But
what
we
would
like
to
suggest
tonight
is
that
for
developments
like
this
one
that
are
affordable,
they
need
to
be
looked
at
in
a
way
that
allows
for
some
flexibility.
AG
What
we're
seeing
is
that
the
code's
tendency
to
preserve
the
status
quo,
often
in
the
guise
of
maintaining
the
character
of
the
community,
is
also
maintaining
the
inequities
amongst
our
residents.
We're
also
seeing
that
throughout
Evanston,
not
everyone
has
come
to
terms
with
the
changes
that
more
affordability,
May
necessitate.
AG
AG
In
the
meantime,
we
believe
that
this
development
on
church
will
provide
great
change
in
the
level
of
affordability
while
having
minimal
negative
impact
on
the
streetscape
and
a
potentially
positive
impact
in
terms
of
Economic
Development
opportunities.
We'll
hope
that
you,
we
hope
that
you'll
support
this
project.
Thank
you.
A
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
We
take
Housing
Authority
of
Cook
County
vouchers.
We've
worked
many
times
for
years
with
connections
for
the
homeless,
Center
of
Concern,
Catholic,
Charities,
Trilogy
and
many
more
so
I'm,
not
here
against
affordable
housing,
as
you
can
see,
but
this
project
in
this
developer
is
outrageous
and
should
be
denied.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
Also
I
thought
there
was
going
to
be
another
public
meeting
as
well.
I
thought
chair,
Roger
said
that
not
only
for
just
a
a
couple
of
people
in
the
room
and
people
that
live
on
Davis,
Street
or
Maple
Street
I
don't
see
the
building
being
built
next
to
their
house.
AH
AH
AH
AH
I
have
lived
in
the
same
home
for
52
years
and
my
family
has
been
in
the
same
home
for
100
plus
years
So.
When
you
say
I,
don't
know
my
community
and
I.
Don't
know
my
business
you're
out
of
turn
and
I
hope,
as
Miss
lindwall
said,
that
she's
going
to
ask
some
of
the
same
questions
that
I
asked
at
the
last
meeting.
AH
AI
AI
AI
AI
So
don't
tell
me
that
affordable
housing
is
going
to
be
make
things
safer
because
it
hasn't
I
I'm,
encouraging
you
to
deny
this
program
because
we
need
who
owns
the
land
owns
the
wealth
and
our
people
need
to
have
not
just
rental.
They
need
to
own
part
of
what
they're
paying
for
and
that's
what
no
one
is
doing
anything
about
we're
losing
our
good
citizens.
A
good
doctor
friend
of
mine
that
lived
1800
block
of
of
Durham
said
I'm
leaving.
She
can't
take
it
anymore,
it's
bad
here.
AI
She
said,
and
she
had
she
left
I'm
saying
why?
Don't
you
study
of?
What's
going
on
in
our
neighborhoods
you're,
not
trying
just
throwing
junk
housing
in
our
neighborhood
for
the
developers
to
get
rich
off
of
it's
not
solving
the
problem?
It's
not
helping
the
community.
The
community
needs
help
and
they
need
to
be
a
part
of
what
is
taking
place
here
and
they
need
say
so
of
what's
Happening
Here.
AI
She
says
she's
taken
any
kid
and
been
able
to
turn
them
around.
They
don't
have
to
be
bad
and
three
or
four
of
my
sisters
are
following
teaching
and
they
have
been
able
to
change
kids
and
do
things
for
them
and
and
and
counsel
them
through
the
summer
for
Math
and
don't
charge
a
dime.
What
happened
to
that
kind
of
program
where
we
can
get
support
for
our
kids
and
I'm,
asking
you
tonight
to
deny
any
more
affordable
housing
in
the
Fifth
Ward
and
do
something
for
our
kids.
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Hudson,
I
think
that's
everyone.
I
would
like
to
say
that
I've
heard
an
oh
sorry,
one
more
person.
AJ
My
my
apologies,
Andrew
footerman,
1738,
Darrow
I,
didn't
sign
up
for
to
speak
because
I
didn't
really
feel
like
I
had
enough
information
seems
problematic
to
say,
I
didn't
have
enough
information
when
I
live
I,
don't
know
five
or
six
houses
away
from
this
property
and
wasn't
notified
someone
knocked
on
my
door
and
told
me
this
was
happening
so
I
started
looking
it
up
today,
I
I'm,
absolutely
for
affordable
housing,
I'm
for
affordable
housing
in
my
community
in
my
neighborhood
I'm,
not
for
16
variances
I'm,
not
for
a
building,
that's
going
to
take
affordable
housing
and
reduce
their
quality
of
life
even
further
I'm,
not
for
46
parking
spots
for
44
units.
AJ
AJ
You
know
it's
a
problem
to
me
and
it's
probably
that
it
sounds
like
the
applicants
had
a
meeting
with
the
attorneys
next
door.
Maybe
there
was
some
information
there.
It
sounds
like
there
were
some
other
meetings.
I
live
five
houses
away.
Why
wasn't
I
known
about
any
of
this?
How
come
I
know
nothing.
I
know.
What's
on
your
website,
I
see
a
traffic
study
that
doesn't
look
good
Sunday
afternoons.
I
see
you
know
these
kind
of
these
kind
of
whitewashed
issues
that
don't
address
what
I?
What
I
really
want
to
know
about?
AJ
You
know:
I'm
an
environmental
attorney,
I
work
for
the
United
States
Environmental
Protection,
Agency
I,
find
it
a
little
problematic.
I
spend
my
days
fighting
environmental
justice
and
I
find
it
problematic
when
we
have
low-income
housing
and
affordable
housing
going
next
to
a
transfer
station,
that's
been
in
violation
of
its
permit.
Since
I've
lived
there
every
single
day,
an
area
that
has
known
air
quality
issues.
That's
not
the
place
that
you
put
another
environmental
justice
issue
and
and
chair
I
mean
no
disrespect.
AJ
I
fully
understand
that
you
are
volunteers,
I
get
it
I,
find
it
problematic.
If
you
admit
that
you
didn't
read
the
written
testimony
and
then
are
going
to
vote
on
something
it
feels
to
me
like.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
vote,
you
know
written
testimony
matters
there
wasn't
a
deadline
to
put
that
written
testimony
in
I
would,
as
the
attorney
did
before.
I
would
urge
you
to
read
that
before
you
vote
that
those
things
matter.
AJ
AJ
A
O
A
AK
Hello,
I'm,
Peter,
Isaac
I
live
at
the
corner
of
church
in
Florence,
which
is
two
blocks
east
of
this
project.
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'm
fully
in
support
of
this
project
and
I
hope
that
that
you
supported
and
that
the
city
council
ultimately
approves
it.
AK
I
would
also
like
to
Echo
the
sentiments
of
many
of
the
speakers
today
and
at
the
last
hearing
that
affordable
housing
projects
and
affordable
housing
doesn't
just
belong
in
one
or
two
areas
in
Evanston
it
belongs
everywhere,
and
so,
if
the
city
is
willing
to
donate
property
for
a
affordable
housing
project
here,
it
should
be
willing
and
looking
for
other
properties
throughout
the
city
to
donate
for
the
same
purpose.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
Isaac
is
that
everyone
going
once
twice
three
times:
I
thank
the
public
for
their
testimony.
I
will
say
there
were
a
number
of
issues
that
are
raised
that
are
outside
of
our
purview.
I
can't
control
what
the
alderman
does.
I
can't
control
some
of
the
affordable
housing
dollars,
those
sorts
of
things,
so
those
issues
are
raised.
They're
on
the
record,
I'm
hoping
city
council
will
listen
to
the
record,
which
is
all
being
recorded
as
we
speak
and
we'll
hear
the
voices
that
have
been
raised
concerning
those
particular
issues.
A
Just
know
that
some
of
those
things
are
outside
of
what
we
have
control
over
I
will
move.
At
this
point,
Mr
Koenig
has
had
an
opportunity
to
look
through
the
questions
if
you'd
like
to
come
up,
please
are
there
still
up
on
the
board?
Okay,
if
you
would
like
to
to
kind
of
run
through
the
questions
that
have
been
asked
by
the
neighbor.
T
Chair,
would
you
like
me
to
go
through
each
question
one
by
one?
Would
you
like
to
sort
of
summarize
them?
I've
got
some
visuals
that
might
help
explain
some
of
the
questions.
I
just
like
to
know
what
format
you'd
appreciate.
A
I
mean
I,
don't
think
you
need
each
one
specifically
if
there's
kind
of
there
were
some
categories,
I
think
that
kind
of
were
grouped
together.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
address
them
that
way.
O
T
If
it
would
be
helpful,
I
can
address
the
issue
of
storm
water
management.
Just
as
a
general
there
were
questions
about.
Has
it
been
studied
has
been
looked
at.
What
are
the
issues
regarding
impervious
surface?
So
what
was
put
together
by
our
engineering
firm
was
a
plan
to
make
sure
that
the
storm
water
would
be
managed
on
the
site
by
creating
two
vaults
on
the
site.
T
T
40
000
gallons,
which,
since
I
don't
know
how
much
forty
thousand
gallons
is
that's
about
the
size
of
two
swimming
pools,
so
the
so
the
issue
of
creating
storm
water
management.
This
would
reduce
the
amount
of
runoff
from
the
site
because
of
mounting
impervious
surface,
that's
necessary
that
the
engineers
have
put
together
a
plan
that
would
make
sure
to
hold
all
that
water
and
create
these
vaults,
these
underground
vaults,
at
wood,
all
the
water
would
flow
into
them.
It
would
then
slow
the
release
rate
of
water
out
into
this
into
the
system.
T
T
The
the
second
set
of
questions-
I,
don't
have
a
slide,
but
there's
a
set
of
questions
regarding
the
Historic
Landmark
and
the
prevention
of
harm
to
the
to
the
to
The,
Neighbor,
Next
Door,
and
to
some
of
the
issues
I
mean
the
way
that
we
address
some
of
the
issues
regarding
the
neighbors,
the
neighborhood.
The
impact
of
construction
on
the
site
is
by
hiring
a
general
contractor
who
is
extremely
experienced
and
knows
what
they're
doing
the
firm
that
we're
working
looking
to
work
with
to
do.
The
construction
is
called
skender
Construction.
T
They
are
the
ninth
largest
contractor
in
the
state
of
Illinois
they're
number
28
in
the
Midwest
and
one
of
the
top
100
in
the
nation.
So
we're
hiring
experienced
general
contractor
knows
what
they're
doing
and
it's
their
job
to
make
sure
the
site
is
protected,
that
the
neighbors
are
protected.
They
know
construction
techniques,
I
personally,
don't
know
that.
That's
why
I
hire
a
good
contractor.
I
hire
a
good
engineer,
hire
a
good
architect.
C
Kind
of
again
I've
got
a
bunch
of
questions
and
they
kind
of
fit
into
some
of
these,
and
it
really
is
a
kind
of
a
more
General
one
is
how
does
the
proposed
design
of
your
the
Residential
Building
respect
1817
church
and
then
you
know
another
kind
of
question
with
respect
to
the
setback
which
you
know
in
the
materials
that
we
were
provided.
C
You
know
you're
asking
for
a
zero
West
setback
and
you
know
the
question
is:
if,
if
you
were
to
provide
by
the
the
five
foot,
West
setback
that's
adjacent
to
1817
Church,
you
know
how
would
that
five
foot
area
be
treated?
Would
it
be
like
a
sidewalk
access?
Would
it
be
permeable
pavers
dirt?
C
You
know,
obviously
yeah
I
think
it's
pretty
safe
to
say
that
you
know
I,
don't
think
very
many
plants
would
grow
on
it
and
that
that
whiff
yeah
that
that
area,
but
you
know
the
question-
is
how
would
you
treat
that
right.
T
I
can
Megan.
Can
you
advance
keep
going?
Please
start
with
it
just
for
a
second.
So
this
is
the
shape
of
the
building
is
from
behind.
So
we
can
see
exactly
what
the
shape
looks
like,
but
Megan.
If
you
could
ex
go
ahead.
There's
some
pictures
of
the
front
of
the
buildings
currently
go
ahead
and
keep
going.
T
One
more
please
next
one,
one
more
okay,
so
this
is
the
current
situation
from
left
to
right,
so
starting
so
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
current
building
on
the
far
right
hand,
side
the
1811
Church,
which
of
butts
the
1817
property.
The
current
situation
right
now
is
that
it
is
directly
up
against
the
property
right
on
the
on
the
the
middle
slide
is
a
picture
of
the
current
situation,
so
the
west
side
of
the
1817
property
is
again
up
against
the
neighboring
property
and
to
the
left.
T
The
far
left
is
what
it
looks
like
when
there's
a
gap
between
the
buildings
and
that's
about
a
18
inch,
Gap
or
so
so
our
opinion,
and
why
we
wouldn't
want
to
do
a
five
foot
setback
between
the
buildings.
I
think
it
would
create
a
tremendously
unsafe
condition
to
have
a
gangway
between
two
buildings.
That's
five
feet
wide.
T
That's
sort
of
a
No,
Man's,
Land
I,
believe
it
creates
an
unsafe
situation
where
you
wouldn't
want
that
gap
between
there
and
if
you
want
the
buildings
they're
currently
up
against
each
other,
the
safe
way
would
do
it.
We
have
those
buildings
against
each
other,
so
you
don't
have
that
Gap!
You
don't
have
the
ability
for
people
to
go
in
there
for
people
to
hide
again.
Shaded
area
you're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
grow
anything.
It's
not
going
to
be
productive.
It's
not
going
to
be
useful.
It's
not
going
to
be
helpful
for
anybody.
C
And
again
the
Folly,
the
church
would
be
demolished
and
you'd
have
to
do
foundations
and-
and
you
know
clearly,
the
structural
Integrity,
maintaining
that
of
of
1817
church
is
is
going
to
be.
That's.
C
A
construction
detail
and
would
need
to
be
carefully
considered
during.
T
That
it
was
discussed
by
the
engineers
that
they
would
do
a
leverage
system
so
that,
if
there's
nothing,
there
would
be
a
different
construction
style.
But
we'd
have
to
do
a
lever
system
where
they're
you
know,
building
from
the
middle
out,
so
that
they're
able
to
protect
that
building
and
keep
it
safe.
T
T
All
right,
so,
if
you,
if
you
go
quickly
between
six
and
seven,
this
is
the
proposed
land
swap
So.
Currently
Mount
physical
Ministry
owns
the.
If
you
flip
back
one,
the
current
I'm,
not
pester,
mystery
owns
the
the
site
in
yellow
and
the
the
plan
is
once
the
land
comes
in
from
the
city,
which
is
the
Box
in
red
that
we
would
that's
actually
three
parcels
and
the
Pisco
parcel
is
two
Parcels
that
we'd
re-subdivide
all
those
Parcels.
T
So
if
you
flip
to
the
next
one,
please
and
that's
what
the
new
ownership
structure
would
look
like,
so
go
from
five
individual
Parcels
to
two
Parcels.
The
parcel
on
the
East
is
the
exact
same
size
that
mount
Pisco
Ministry
owns
right
now,
except
it's
slid
about
100
and
some
feet
to
the
East
and
a
couple
reasons
that
we
decided
to
do.
That.
One
is
that
under
the
overlay
it
calls
for
an
iconic
building
to
be
on
the
corner.
Do
the
church
meets
that
qualification
of
an
iconic
building,
so
it
helps
meet
that
code.
T
In
addition,
it
also
makes
a
lot
of
sense
with
doing
the
taller
building
the
Residential
Building
using
urban
planning
standards
to
build
the
taller
building
in
the
middle
of
the
block,
where
they're
having
the
taller
building
at
the
corner
at
the
end,
but
the
taller
building
in
the
middle
of
the
block
and
then
go
down
from
there,
so
Meeting
those
standards
it
made
a
lot
of
sense.
It
was
a
proposal
that
we
decided
in
Mount,
Pisgah
and
HDC
working
together.
That's
made
a
lot
of
sense
for
both
of
us.
T
Pastor
Wilson
has
previously
described
how
it
was
a
vision
that
came
to
him
years
and
years
ago
that
he
would
have
that
site
on
the
East
and
so
I'm,
not
coursing
him
to
do
anything.
This
is
something
and
happy
to
have
him
come
and
explain
that,
but
this
is
something
I
think
that
works
best
to
have
the
church
again
on
the
corner
of
the
iconic
building
and
the
Residential
Building
mixed
use.
Building
there
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
D
Just
a
question
on
that:
was
there
any
discussion
about
how
you
might
be
able
to
size
the
parcels
a
little
differently
so
that
you
could
get
more
of
a
setback
both
from
the.
P
D
T
So
the
the
agreement
with
the
church
was
that
they
would
have
no
less
land
than
what
they
have
right
now,
so
swapping
Landing
having
the
church
end
up
with
lessland
was
not
an
option,
so
the
size
of
the
building
is
the
size
that
we're
able
the
size
of
the
parcel
that
we
have.
There
is
the
size
of
these
existing
parcel,
just
swapping
them
so
having
less
or
more
land
like
that's
the
land
that
we
have
to
work
with
with
the
size
of
the
building.
T
What
we're
fitting
is
the
also
also
accommodating
in
sort
of
an
iterative
manner,
the
size
of
the
units
that
we
can
accommodate.
We
knew
that
we
wanted
to
have
family
size
units.
We
knew
that
we
wanted
to
have
two
and
three
bedroom
units.
T
We
didn't
just
want
to
have
smaller
units
and
small
Studios,
so
in
order
to
create
units
that
are
larger
and
real
family
size
units
not
squeeze
down,
not
reduce
size
but
really
units
that
would
fit
so
the
iterative
process
of
looking
at
the
size
of
a
good
two
and
three
bedroom
unit
and
how
that
would
fit
on
the
floor,
how
it
would
lay
out
you
know,
as
I,
showed
the
picture
of
the
the
T
shape
of
the
building.
T
It
respects
that
front
where
the
t-shape
it's
actually
deeper
in
the
back,
so
the
existing
building
is
deeper
than
our
front.
T
is
going
to
be
so
we're
pulled
back
from
this.
The
t
is,
as
short
as
it
can
be,
to
have
those
units
double
loaded
Corridor
on
the
sides,
but
then
they
come
back
and
so
toward
the
back
of
the
site,
I'm
looking
at
where
their
Garden
is
in
the
back
and
where
their
patio
is
in
the
back,
we're
creating
the
ability
to
have
that
building
pulled
in
so
it
creates
less
shade.
T
T
Sometimes
these
are
a
little
hard
to
read.
It
takes
a
second
sort
of
look
at
what
they're
saying,
but
their
Garden
right
now
is
behind
their
building.
So
that's
at
the
north
of
the
site
so
automatically
the
sun
is
already
being
blocked
by
there
building
so
clearly
building
a
brand
new
building
on
a
where
there's
two
stories
right
now:
building
a
four
or
five
story:
building
up
there.
T
So
we
looked
at
how
much
impact
is
going
to
have
we
respect
the
fact
we
learn
about
the
skylights
that
they
have
having
the
skylights
will
continue
to
let
light
in
even
if
there's
shade
from
the
building.
That's
how
skylights
work
they
light
in
no
matter
what,
but
we
looked
at
how
much
Shadow
will
the
bee
that's
created?
So
at
the
winter
solstice,
when
the
sun
is
the
lowest,
the
the
skylights
would
be
clear.
T
The
skylights
on
the
west
would
be
cleared
by
10
15,
and
this
guy,
that's
on
the
East,
would
be
cleared
by
11
15
in
the
morning.
If
you
go
to
the
summer,
solstice
slide
so
in
the
summertime
that
back
lot.
So
the
sunlight
is
clearing
those
the
skylights
that
they
have
and
they're
building
completely
clearing
that
back
lot
and
clearing
that
to
the
west
side
of
the
site
by
9
15
in
the
morning
again
by
11
30
11
25
in
the
afternoon.
So
the
sun
is
not
completely
blocking
them.
T
D
You
have
a
specific
Target
for
the
number
of
units,
or
was
that
something
the
city
discussed
with
you
in
in
looking
at
the
design
and
thinking?
Well,
if
we
shave
off
a
little
here,
we'll
lose
a
couple
of
units,
but
is
that
an
option
for
reducing
the
height
of
that
building,
I'm?
Looking
also
at
just
the
neighbors
across
the
alley,
you
know
and
kind
of
the
the
effect
of
being
able
to
look
up
Suddenly
now
you've
got
a
five-story
building.
Looking
down
on
you.
T
Yeah
no
there's
I
mean
there's,
definitely
a
give
and
take
I've
not
discussed
with
the
city
at
all.
Has
the
city
has
no
impact
at
all?
There's
nobody
at
the
city
who
we
would
talk
with
about
that.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
economies
of
scale
with
a
project.
That's
fundable,
buildable,
operable
people
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
operate.
There
are
lots
of
questions
that
were
raised
about
the
ability
to
continue
and
run
operator.
Building
like
this
get
it
built.
T
So
all
of
those
things
add
into
the
ability
to
put
together
a
project
like
this.
44
is
a
in
the
current
standard
of
affordable
housing
in
the
Illinois
and
throughout
the
United
States.
It's
it's
40
to
60
units
is
pretty
typical
for
an
affordable
housing
project.
That's
financed
like
this
that
the
economies
of
scale
work
for
that
the
operations
work
for
that
were
able
to
have
the
rents
that
cover
we're
able
to
have
the
Staffing
that's
available
to
do
a
good
job
running
the
buildings.
T
So
simply
the
way
to
make
it
shorter
would
be
make
it
smaller.
Make
fewer
units
makes
make
Studio
size
units
instead
of
three
bedrooms.
I
could
take
a
floor
off
if
I
replaced
all
the
three
bedrooms
with
Studios.
Again,
that's
not
the
population
we're
trying
to
serve
that's
not
who
we're
trying
to
help
families
right.
We
could
take
two
stories
off,
but
we
made
them
all.
Studios
just
make
small
housing
and
squeeze
everybody
into
small
studio
apartments.
T
Again,
that's
not
acceptable
to
us
as
a
developer
and
someone
who's
an
advocate
for
affordable
housing,
we're
trying
to
reach
a
goal
and
trying
to
reach
that
balance
right.
We're
not
asking
for
six
or
seven
stories
we're
trying
to
reach
a
balance
with
the
number
of
units
with
the
size
with
the
units
of
all
those
things
enter
into
the
equation
that
we
think
about
as
we're
putting
a
project
like
this
together.
D
I
get
it,
and
all
I
will
say
is
that
if
you
have
to
jump
through
so
many
hoops
to
get
to
this
point,
where
it's
economically
feasible
and
I
understand
how
important
the
scale
is
and
the
sizes
to
get
to
where
that
does
happen,
you're
squeezing
it
on
to
a
site
that
may
not
be
the
most
appropriate
for
it.
When
you
look
at
the
number
of
zoning
variations,
it
may
be
that
for
city
council,
it's
more
important
to
have
affordable
housing
period.
D
Can
make
that
decision
because
it's
a
political
decision,
but
for
us
looking
at
the
zoning
which
is
supposed
to
guide
development,
it's
almost
as
if
we
have
to
throw
out
what
zoning
says
in
order
to
say
that
this
is
a
project
that
passes
muster
and
so
I.
That's
why
I
was
curious
about
what
you've
looked
at
to
try
to
make
that
silhouette
a
little
leaner.
If
you're
going
to
have
the
height,
then
you
maybe
need
a
setback.
T
Right
and
looking
at
the
front
at
least,
let
me
find
a
slide
that
we
can
maybe
look
at.
T
That
one,
please
so
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
do.
Architecturally
is
break
up
the
facade
of
the
building.
So
on
the
front
side
you
talked
about
having
the
there
was
a
discussion
last
time
about
build,
building
up
to
the
lot
line
and
the
sidewalk
right
in
the
front
and
staff
it
as
and
during
Dapper
would
say.
Can
you
put
Planters
on
the
front
to
add
some
visual
Landscaping?
What
happens
that
pushes
us
out
on
the
sidewalk?
So
that's
easy.
T
We
can
not
take
stats
recommendation
and
take
off
that
so
now,
there's
no
more
blocking
of
the
sidewalk
right
along
there.
If
you
look
at
the
way
the
entrance
is
set
back
so
again
the
entrance
the
entrance
Door
underneath
where
it
says
1811
Church
Street,
that's
the
setbacks
are
not
opening
the
door
onto
the
sidewalk.
Our
neighborhood
said
that
that's
the
problem
sometimes
open
the
door
and
they
run
right
in
the
people
coming
on
so
again,
visual
setting
back.
So
there
is
a
setback
at
ground
level.
T
That's
the
gray
band
across
there
creates
that
break
between
the
first
floor
and
the
upper
floors.
So
there's
a
visual
break
going
along
there
and
then
looking
at
the
the
sort
of
looks
like
three
different
sections
right:
the
gray
section
on
the
left,
the
brown
section,
the
middle
and
cream
section
on
the
right.
The
idea
of
doing
that
architectural
styling
was
to
make
the
masking
look
broken
up,
make
the
masking
look
different,
adding
Juliet
balconies,
which
provides
a
protrusion
which
makes
additional
additional
Visual
and
then
right
in
the
middle.
T
You
can
see
the
top
that
we've
added
that
outdoor
patio
up
on
top.
That
adds
adds
the
break
and
adds
an
outdoor
amenity
and
does
all
those
things.
So,
in
order
to
do
the
setbacks
you
to
mention,
you
know,
couldn't
we
just
set
the
upper
floors
back?
What
that
does?
Is
it
squeezes
down
the
side?
It
simply
makes
the
sizes
of
the
unit
smaller.
T
T
The
discussion
we
have
is:
what's
the
gain:
if
we
lose
units
or
lose
sizes
of
units,
it's
not
worth
it,
because
we
can
do
things
visually
that
make
that
have
that
same
impression
that
have
that
same
impact
and
still
be
able
to
meet
all
those
things
that
we're
trying
to
achieve.
D
I
could
I
might
argue
a
little
bit
that
as
as
varied
as
this
is
and
it's
nice
to
see
that
that
a
setback
still
has
more
of
an
impact
at
the
street
level
when
you're
looking
up
and
again
that's
that
was
my
question
was:
can
you
lose
some
units
and
still
keep
three
bedroom
units?
You
know,
can
your
program
absorb
a
little
bit
more
of
a
push
here.
T
I,
don't
want
to
say
it
if
it
goes
taller,
so
the
size
units
that
we're
looking
at
right.
So
the
one
bedrooms
are
650,
the
two
bedrooms
are
850
and
the
three
bedrooms
are
10
50.,
simply
squeezing
those
down
and
making
them
all
Tighter
and
smaller
I,
don't
think
does
serves
Justice
to
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
living
there.
The
idea
of
the
size
of
the
units
are
that
they
are
comfortable
the
units
to
live
in
so
simply
squeeze
in
them.
T
For
the
fact
to
you
know
to
try
again
it's
the
iterative
process
of
what
is
the
advantage
of
doing
it.
So,
if
I
make
a
10
three
bedroom
instead
of
1050
I,
make
it
950
and
I
squeeze
it
down
by
100
square
feet
or
250
or
200
square
feet
or
whatever
does
that
enhance
the
quality
of
life
of
the
people
that
are
living
there
and
I
think
the
trade-off
isn't
worth
it.
O
F
F
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
here
that
I
see
how
you've
broken
it
up:
two-dimensionally
color
material,
but
you
know
that
brick
doesn't
turn
the
corner.
That
material
on
the
up
on
the
Upper
Floor
doesn't
turn
the
corner
according
to
your
elevations.
So
what
you
look
if
you
look
at
it
from
you
know
a
perspective
which
is
that
what
everybody's
going
to
see,
walking
or
driving
down
the
street,
it
looks
like
a
very
thin
facade
on
the
front
and
the
rest
of
it
is
not
so
nice
just
want
to
make
that
point.
T
F
F
That
shows
that
the
brick
turns
the
corner
and
that
top
material
turns
the
corner,
because
that's
not
what's
in
our
in
the
elevations
that
we
received.
T
T
Reviewing
this
we've
continued
I
mean
since
we've
had
the
meetings
we've
continued
to
try
and
do
improvements
and
do
things
like
that.
So
I'm,
sorry,
we
haven't
sent
those
out
ahead
of
time,
but
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
those
improvements
and
listen
to
what
people
are
saying
and
take
that
advice
and
then
make
the
project
the
best
that
we
can
visually.
C
Since
we're
talking
kind
of
setbacks
at
this
point,
I
have
some
concerns
and
questions
about
the
rear
setback
and
the
basic
question.
Is
you
know
why
can't
you
provide
the
five
foot,
rear
yard
and
in
particular
I
mean
that's
a
16
foot
alley,
so
it's
and
you're
going
to
have
at
least
44
45
cars
coming
out
of
it
and
kind
of
related
to
to
that
it's
it's
kind
of
you
see
the
trash
room.
How
was
trash,
how
are
you
going
to
get
your
dumpsters
out
on
trash
day?
C
And
then
kind
of
On
a
related
note.
The
traffic
study
requested
suggested
an
auto
turn
study
and
I.
Don't
know
what
that
is.
So
if
you
could
explain
that.
C
And
then,
and
then
you
know
really
kind
of
how
the
recommended
stop
and
the
the
stock
bar
would
work
with
the
rear
alley.
Sat
back
and
you
know
just
generally
the
sight
lines
of
pulling
in
and
out
of
that
that
alley,
because
it's
it's
not
just
a
East-West
alley,
there's
a
t,
so
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
traffic.
So
you
know
that's
the
one
place.
Thank
you.
T
So
this
shows
sort
of
what
you
would
look
like
coming
down
the
alley
with
the
building
with
the
16-foot
alley.
Obviously,
the
building
is
on
the
right,
where
the
closest
to
us
is
the
white
line.
There
is
our
part
of
the
building,
so
we're
actually
standing
sort
of
just
behind
our
neighbors
in
the
alley.
So
the
gray
stripe
there
is
something
that
we're
able
to
push
the
building
back
30
inches
from
the
from
the
16-foot
alley.
T
So
we
looked
at
trying
to
fit
the
five
feet
again
back
to
the
previous
conversation
squeezing
units
down,
we
were
able
to
squeeze
that
back
and
provide
that
30
inches.
So
there's
some
amount
of
setback
from
where
it
was
before.
So
it's
not
the
full
five
feet,
but
it's
about
half
of
that
that
we
can.
We
know
we
can
make
that
work
and
that's
an
update
that
we
can
provide.
T
I
mean
and
part
of
the
other
discussion
that
we
had
had
during
the
meeting
with
neighbor
was
talking
with
the
city
about
what's
possible
with
traffic
calming.
Can
we
do
something
like
putting
one
of
those
big
reflectors,
so
you
can
see
the
cars
coming
going?
There's
not
one
of
those
right
now
for
that
T
intersection.
T
Would
it
be
helpful
in
talking
with
the
Traffic
Engineers
or
the
city,
to
make
that
you
can
only
turn
one
way
or
the
other
to
reduce
the
amount
of
traffic
flow
coming
out?
Make
it
either
an
only
a
Thruway,
One
Way
Or
that
our
car
should
all
turn
to
the
right?
So
they
don't
go
past
that
t
like
talking
with
the
city.
We
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
do
that,
but
is
there
a
way
to
make
it
improve
how
the
flow
is
going
to
come
out
of
that
garage.
K
I
have
a
question:
if
possible:
I
want
to
expand
a
little
bit.
What
commissioner
westerwork
asked
I
was
not
here
last
time,
but
the
video
that
I
watched
you
were
asked
whether
there
are
feasibility
studies-
and
you
mentioned
that
this
is
the
only
feasible
option.
Is
that
correct?
Do
you
have
any
other
feasible
options
for
this
lot?.
T
This
I
think
is,
is
our
best
option,
so
we
considered
a
lot
of
other
options
to
get
here.
It's
an
iterative
process
of
figuring
out
how
to
get
to
this
point.
This
meets
the
goals
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
what
we
had
submitted
in
our
response
to
the
city
Earl
back
in
2020.
T
This
is
sort
of
the
type
of
project
that
we
had
proposed,
one
that
serves
families
on
the
be
all
affordable,
one
that
would
meet
the
needs
of
having
having
retail
space
in
the
on
the
front
along
Church
Street,
so
trying
to
meet
all
those
competing
needs.
This
is
sort
of
the
plan
that
we
ended
up
on.
It
provides
the
retail
on
the
front,
it
meets
the
parking
requirements
so
we're
not.
We
don't
need
a
parking
variance.
It
does
meet
the
parking
requirements
it
meets
that
need
of
providing
that
mix
of
units.
T
T
One
because
I
see
only
representing
the
proposal
that
we
would
like
to
go
forward
with.
Yes,
we
wouldn't
I
mean
if
we,
if
I
came
with
multiple
proposals,
you'd
say
well,
you're
only
allowed
to
come
to
us
with
one
right,
so
I
can't
I
can't
come
to
you
say:
hey
pick
a
b
or
c
I
have
to
come
to
you
with
the
one
that
we
think
is
the
best.
Well.
K
Our
standards,
our
standard
number,
seven
and
I'm
emphasizing
on
it-
is
that
this
should
be
the
least
deviation
that
provides
one
or
that
you
are
supposed
to
provide
several
feasible
options
so
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
I.
Don't
say
that
that
this
happens
but
I
just
wanted
your
your
opinion
and
your
decision
to
come
up
with
exactly
this
project.
I
understand
your
point.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
I
think,
commissioner,
I
think
that
one
is
particular
isn't
particularly
that
that
we
see
the
plans,
it's
not
just
that
they
explore
the
other
options
and
then
they've
obviously
come
to
us
with
the
one
they
think
is
exactly.
T
So
the
cost
of
the
project,
so
the
22
million,
is
the
all-in
cost
of
doing
the
development,
and
that
includes
the
cost
of
paying
the
contractor
full
wages.
We
pay
Illinois
prevailing
wages,
pay
Davis,
bacon
wages,
so
building
the
building
doesn't
cost
any
less
affordable
housing
is
not
affordable
to
build
it's
not
affordable.
To
develop
it's
expensive
to
develop.
We
have
to
pay
all
the
studies.
We
have
to
pay
the
Architects.
We
have
to
pay
the
contractors.
T
We
have
to
pay
all
those
folks
additional
fees,
the
costs
that
go
into
the
project
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
a
market
Redevelopment
include
reserves.
We're
required
to
fund
those
reserves
up
front.
So
the
funding
sources
that
we
use
I
think
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
lasagna
financing
of
funding
sources.
We
talked
about
the
funding
from
the
city,
so
the
main
funding
source
that
we
get
for
this
project
is
through
the
Illinois
Housing
Development
Authority,
it's
a
project.
T
It's
a
funding
source
called
the
low-income
housing
tax
credit,
which
is
how
90,
plus
of
the
affordable
housing
in
the
United
States
is
built.
These
days
is
with
this
particular
funding
source.
It's
a
rental
housing
product.
It
is
able
to
build
Finance
the
cost
of
construction
for
rental
projects,
and
it
covers
the
significant
portion
of
that
cost.
So
there
are
fees
and
costs
and
reserves
and
other
things
that
are
added
into
that
that
make
it
more
expensive
than
market
rate
housing
back
to
the
public
policy.
T
Discussion
sort
of
you
mentioned
city
council
to
make
a
decision.
This
is
how
the
federal
and
state
government
have
decided.
Affordable
housing
needs
to
be
financed
in
the
United
States,
and
so
we
are
competitively
able
to
put
a
project
like
this
forward
and
get
the
funding
sources
that
are
necessary
in
order
to
be
able
to
build
it
again.
It's
not
affordable
to
build
up
front,
it's
affordable
to
run
and
operate
down
the
road,
because
the
subsidy
comes
up
front,
not
in
the
long
term,
so
again
on
the
funding.
T
It's
an
all
or
nothing
proposition,
I,
don't
sort
of
get
some
of
the
funds
and
then
just
go
forward
and
cross
my
fingers
and
hope
that
can
move
forward
with
the
project
I'm
not
allowed
to
close
on
the
financing.
Until
all
the
sources
add
up
to
the
total
amount
of
uses
that
we
have
available
so
there's
no
sort
of
I've
got
all,
but
something
and
I
can
go
ahead
and
go
forward
and
hope.
T
I
can
raise
a
little
bit
more
money
later
on
either
I
have
all
of
the
financing
to
fund
the
project
and
go
forward,
and
we
know
that
all
the
costs
are
going
to
be
covered.
All
the
construction
costs
all
the
contingencies,
the
reserves,
the
guarantees,
the
loan
fees,
the
attorney
all
those
fees
are
included
in
that
total
amount,
and
we
don't
go
forward
until
all
those
costs
are
included.
So
there
is
there's
no
sort
of
hoping
that
we
can
go
forward
and
fund
the
project.
T
There's
not
the
ability
to
sort
of
run
it
and
wonder
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
make
and
get
it
developed
and
there's
cost
about.
Are
we
getting
higher
overall
management
fees
as
a
result
of
building
outside
the
existing
code?
Actually,
our
fees
are
less
because
our
rents
are
less.
If
we're
charging
half
the
market
rate
we're
getting
half
the
amount
of
management
fees
that
other
for-profit
or
market
rate
developers
are
able
to
get
so
we're
not
making
additional
money
Beyond
by
having
more
units
because
the
rents
are
lower.
T
We
charge
the
standard
management
fee
for
managing
our
own
properties
and
we're
able
to
recoup
that
you
know,
but
we're
the
developer.
We're
building
the
building,
we're
getting
fees
for
doing
that,
but
also,
on
the
back
end,
we're
actually
making
less
overall
and
that's
part
of
what
helps
make
the
overall
project
affordable
and
keep
the
rents
down
for
the
long
term.
C
Again
along
the
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
kind
of
explained
how
unique
why
you
need
to
have
a
five-story
building
and
the
financing.
That's
involved
with
that.
Could
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
how
the
development
landscape
has
changed
since
2006
when
you
were
proposing
a
much
smaller
building
and-
and
you
know,
and
if
you
remember
kind
of
what
those
units
were
like
as
opposed
to
these
yeah.
T
They
were
definitely
smaller
units
they
weren't,
they
didn't
have
the
mix
of
larger
bedroom
sizes
that
this
project
has.
It
also
doesn't
have
the
earlier
one
did
not
have
retail
space,
and
that
was
one
of
the
major
criticisms
for
the
projects
that
didn't
have
retail
space
and
I
said
well.
T
The
only
way
to
get
retail
is
to
raise
the
building
up,
make
it
taller
put
retail
underneath
and
of
course,
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
was,
it
was
shot
down
that
one
also
didn't
meet
the
parking
requirements,
which
was
another
reason
that
the
proposal
was
shot
down.
This
one
actually
does
meet
the
parking
requirements.
D
Sorry,
let's
get
back
to
the
loading
dock.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
know
it's
the
same
answer,
probably
as
to
why
it
can't
be
included,
but
that
really
is
an
issue
especially
I
think
both
for
the
church
and
for
the
housing.
If
the
idea
is
that
you
take
away
two
parking
spaces
on
the
street
and
you
use
those
you're
still
using
something
in
the
street
which
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
traffic,
there's
just
no
way
it
can't.
D
D
Is
there
a
way
to
have
some
kind
of
drop-off
area,
some
kind
of
delivery
area
you
are
going
to
need
it
and
I
I
understand
what
you
may
feel
that
your
residents
may
not
require,
but
I
mean
it's:
it's
people,
people
order
things.
People
come
by
to
visit
and
that
Community
will
feel
the
impact
of,
if
there's
not
enough
parking
and
if
there's
no
place
to
drop
people
off
right.
T
L
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Justin
Opitz
I
was
the
transportation
professional
with
Kimberly
horn.
We
prepared
the
traffic
and
parking
study,
so
we
believe
that
the
two
loading
spaces
on
Church
Street
provides
the
best
alternative
to
move
forward
in
terms
of
requesting
the
variants
from
from
the
zoning
code
and
also
operationally
so
with
those
two
loading
spaces
on
church
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
paint
a
picture
in
your
head
here.
L
If
you're,
you
know
you're
a
family
you're
going
to
church
in
the
morning
on
Sunday,
you
have
a
full
car,
maybe
six
people
in
that
car-
let's
say
maybe
you're
coming
from
the
East
you're
traveling
west,
on
Church
Street.
If
those
spaces
are
all
free
parking
spaces
and
let's
say
some
earlier,
churchgoers
got
there
and
all
eight
of
them
were
filled.
Let's
say
you
know
you
were
a
mom
or
dad.
You
had
your
two
kids
in
the
car.
You
also
had
grandma
and
grandpa
with
you.
L
L
If
those
two
loading
spaces
are
not
there,
you
may
continue
West
hit
Dodge
Street,
try
to
turn
north
and
then
circulate
East
on
lions
and
drive
through
the
neighborhood,
we're
trying
to
prevent,
cut
through
traffic
and
contain
traffic
to
those
collector
roads,
Dodge
and
church.
So
we
feel
that
these
two
loading
spaces
are
really
going
to
provide
the
best
flexibility
and
opportunity
for
both
the
apartment,
building
and
the
church
to
to
essentially
operate
efficiently.
L
In
terms
of
you
know,
handling
people
that
are
pulling
up
and
dropping
off
for
church
two
spaces
should
be
sufficient.
They
also
have
the
added
benefit
of
working
for
people
who
live
in
the
apartment.
Those
loading
spaces
could
be
used
for
people
moving
in
to
the
apartment.
You
could
have
those
those
trucks
pull
up
unload.
You
know
couches
whatever.
If
that's
happening
in
the
alley,
that's
much
closer
to
the
people
who
are
living
adjacent
to
their.
You
have
trucks
in
the
alley.
That's
less
desirable,
at
least
in
my
opinion.
L
You
also
have
a
ton
of
people
ordering
ubereats.
Potentially
those
cars.
Can
you
know
pull
into
those
loading
zones
get
out
drop
off
their
food
or,
if
residents
in
the
building,
want
to
order
an
Uber
or
a
Lyft
or
a
taxi.
If
anybody
still
uses
taxis,
they
could
then
do
that
in
those
loading
zones,
if
you
don't
have
them
on
Church
Street,
there's
more
potential
for
that
loading
traffic
to
move
into
the
alley
to
try
to
find
ways
into
the
alley
and
potentially
negatively
impact
those
houses
that
are
immediately
north
of
the
building.
D
My
concern
is:
why
not
have
why,
couldn't
you
include
loading
dock
drop
off
area
on
your
property
so
that
the
street
remains
free
for
the
community
use?
That's
all.
W
If,
if
the
on
Street
spaces
are
used
for
loading,
it
would
be
for
the
use
of
the
entire
block,
it
would
not
be
restricted
to
a
particular
business
or
entity
and
I'm,
not
certain
that
parking
services
would
allow
those
spaces
to
be
exclusively
used
for
loading.
24,
7.
I
think
they
would
be
some
time
restrictions
that
the
spaces
would
be
used
for
loading
than
otherwise
they're
used
for
parking.
R
A
I
think
there
were
some
questions
about
Mount
fiska's
funding,
which
I
don't
think
you
can
answer,
because
if
I'm
correct,
these
are
truth,
totally
separate
right
issues,
so
Pastor
I,
don't
know
if
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
just
kind
of
talk
very
briefly
about
how
about
Pisco
plans
to
fund
their
portion
of
the
project.
Yes,.
S
I
was
asked
this
question
in
in
one
of
our
meetings
that
no
one
knew
about
apparently
and
I
I
think
it
was
Miss
Payton
who
asked
a
question:
how
much
money
does
the
church
have
and
because
she's,
not
a
member
of
the
church,
she's,
not
tribute
to
that
information,
and
that
same
thing
applies
to
everyone
here
we
build
our
church
based
upon
our
contributions
and
our
solicitations
how
we
we
built
the
one
that
now
we
didn't
build,
but
that
church
that
we
bought
now
building
that
we
bought
we
bought
back
in
1987,
we
had
12
members,
we
paid
137
thousand
dollars
cash.
S
We
spent
another
twenty
seven
thousand
dollars
cash
to
prepare
the
church
for
the
church.
We
spent
another
fourteen
thousand
dollars
to
buy
cues
and
when
we
finished
all
of
that,
we
didn't
owe
anybody
a
penny.
In
a
year
the
building
directly
adjacent
to
the
east
came
up
for
sale.
It's
fifty
five
thousand
dollars.
We
leveraged
our
building
that
we
had
and
borrowed
fifty
thousand
dollars
from
the
bank,
paid
it
off
at
15-year
loan
off
in
eight
and
a
half
years.
S
So,
as
we
were
going
into
this
building
project,
we're
going
in
in
this
with
the
same
way
as
most
churches
do
with
by
faith,
we
believe
that
God
is
going
to
provide
our
monies
and
we
are
approaching
some
lending
institutions
as
as
we
speak,
we
we
know
that
if
we
need
to,
we
will
we're
going
to
try
to
access
those
those
areas.
So,
at
this
point,
that's
where
we
are.
A
The
question
was
raised
and
it's
kind
of
included
here
on
the
management
of
the
property,
so
who
will
be
managing
the
property
and
what
will
that
kind
of
look.
T
Like
so
my
my
organization,
Housing
Opportunity,
Development
Corporation
will
be
the
property
manager
so
we're
the
owner,
developer
and
property
manager.
We
managed
all
the
other
developments
that
we
have
created.
So
we
have
a
property
management
team
I
have
a
group
of
staff
that
are
property
managers
that
are
the
ones
who
interact
with
attendants,
who
do
the
leasing
and
the
Tenant
selection,
and
all
that
selecting
the
tents
are
going
to
be
for
the
building.
T
We
have
a
team
of
Maintenance
Personnel
who
do
all
the
maintenance,
the
janitorial,
the
clean,
the
upkeep
of
the
buildings,
and
then
we
also
have
service
coordinators
and
they're,
the
Liaisons
that
we
have
that
are
the
linkages
between
our
tenants
and
the
social
service
agencies
that
we
work
with.
If
people
need
access
to
those
Services,
then
we
have
those
linkages
too.
So
it's
my
staff
that
are
doing
all
that
and
running.
All
of
our
properties
will.
T
So
we
have
two
ways
to
answer
that
one
is
we
have
an
on-site
management
office
so
that
we
interact
with
tenants
when
the
manager
is
there,
they
have
a
space,
that's
physically
there
on
site
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we're
doing
is
we're
setting
aside
one
of
the
units
to
be
an
on-site
person.
It
probably
that
won't
be
a
manager,
it's
typically
more
a
maintenance
person
or
a
janitorial
person
or
a
service
person,
the
sort
of
our
eyes
and
ears
there
with
the
building
they
let
us
know
what's
going
on.
T
We
have
security
systems
in
all
the
buildings,
but
it's
nice
to
have
our
tenant
or
a
person
who's
there.
Who
works
for
us.
Do
that
and
that's
something
we're
adding
to
most
of
our
new
buildings
going
forward.
So
there
are
eyes
and
ears,
they
do
the
lockouts
late
at
night.
They
know
what's
going
on
and
interact
with
us,
but
again,
not
in
a
position
of
authority
over
towns
who
are
living
there,
sort
of
the
managers
too
much
of
an
authority
figure.
So
it's
someone
who's
there
to
be
our
eyes
and
ears.
T
T
So
the
parking
study
was
done
in
January
of
2022
during
the
weekday
from
seven
to
nine
a.m
and
from
three
to
six
pm.
T
On
the
and
I
think
that
study
was
included
online,
so
everybody
has
access
to
that
information.
If
you
haven't
seen
the
traffic
study,
simply
it's
online.
In
fact
it's
in
both
packets,
it's
most
of
both
packets,
the
who
are
the
commutative
potential
commercial
tenants.
So
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
tenants
that
are
committed.
T
We
are
interested
in
finding
every
time
we
go
out
and
do
a
presentation.
We've
done
lots
of
presentations
of
the
community
I'm
sorry
people
have
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
attend
those,
but
we
say
we're
interested
in
finding
local
businesses
that
will
provide
a
service
for
the
residents
who
are
in
that
area.
We
want
to
have
businesses,
businesses
that
people
are
interested
in
walking
to
whether
it's
a
bakery
or
a
bookstore.
T
We've
talked
with
potential
users
or
people
expressed
interest
of
potentially
using
the
site,
but
we
don't
have
any
committed
at
this
point,
but
we
really
want
it
to
be
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
and
something
that
neighbors
are
interested
and
be
able
to
use
and
walk
to.
You
know
as
part
of
their
daily
routine.
T
We
talked
about
the
loading
zone.
The
question
about
the
tenant
turnover,
so
our
goal
is
permanent
housing.
It's
not
temporary.
All
of
our
tenants
in
all
of
our
buildings
are
all
affordable
housing.
They
sign
a
one-year
lease,
so
we
have
a
detailed
tenant
selection
process
that
we
go
through
to
selecture.
The
tenants
are
going
to
be.
T
The
goal
is
to
select
good
residents
who
are
interested
in
being
productive
members
of
the
committee
that
they're
able
to
be
least
compliant,
and
so
what
we
find
is
that
most
of
our
tenants
stay
with
us
for
a
really
really
long
time,
because
the
rents
are
low,
and
so
we
have
most
of
our
tenants.
We
have
tenants
actually
have
been
with
the
organization.
I've
only
been
here
25
years
we
have
tenants
who
have
been
at
the
organization
in
our
buildings
longer
than
I've
been
here.
T
T
And
then,
how
will
we
ensure
the
safety
of
the
loading
zone
and
I
think
that
the
idea
of
the
loading
zone
gives
a
place
for
vehicles
to
stop?
We
talked
about
Amazon
trucks
coming
in.
If
you
put
the
loading
zone
behind,
it
adds
larger
trucks
coming
down
the
alley,
making
more
trips
up
and
down
the
alley.
I
think
having
a
space
for
an
Amazon
truck
to
drop
off
an
Uber
vehicle
to
drop
off
for
someone
to
come
into
the
shop,
the
shops
and
use
the
stores
that
they
need
to
go
on.
T
I
think
it
increases
the
safety
by
having
that
loading
zone
in
the
front
area.
By
creating
a
designated
space
for
cars
to
pull
off
the
street
to
not
be
parked
illegally.
We
looked
at
potentially
doing
something
on
Darrow
and
that's
you
know
an
option
if
we
could
figure
out
how
to
work
out
something
with
the
city
to
make
that
space
on
there,
but
based
on
what
the
Traffic
Engineers
have.
T
T
I
was
wrong
with
17
months
that
you're
that
the
plan
had
been
put
out
there,
I
have
I
personally
flyered
every
every
house
back
on
a
nice
cool,
September,
Day
last
fall
every
house
on
the
Block
up
and
now
Lions
up
and
down
Darrow
depended
out
over
200
flyers
and
put
them
on
every
single
door.
We
had
Community
meetings
at
the
Fifth
Ward
as
early
as
last
August,
actually
August
of
21.
T
We
had
presented
this
particular
plan:
Fifth
Ward
meetings,
other
community
meetings,
meetings
at
the
church,
and
so
we've
been
a
lot
of
opportunities
that
we've
tried
as
much
as
we
could
to
do
that
Outreach.
We.
This
is
something
that's
really
important.
This
is
to
make
sure
we
get
that
so
I'm
I'm
personally
upset
that
people
haven't
had
the
opportunity,
through
all
those
mechanisms,
articles
in
the
newspaper
all
the
things
that
are
out
there.
T
That
would
help
provide
give
people
notice
about
what's
going
on,
so
we've
really
tried
to
do
that
as
much
as
we
possibly
could
so
willing
to
wish.
We
could
figure
out
a
better
way
to
do
that,
but
every
we've
reached
we
tried.
It
was
the
best
we
could
to
reach
everyone.
Thank
you.
So
I
have
lots
of
other
slides
lots
of
the
stuff
you
want
to
share.
I
can
answer
other
questions.
Please
just
let
me
know
what
else
would
be
helpful
information.
A
V
Thank
you,
Haley
guyan,
once
again
on
behalf
of
Crosby
theater
LLC
I
want
to
reiterate
that
we
didn't
get
notice
either.
I
didn't
state
that,
in
my
testimony
previously
so
consistent
with
the
testimony
of
other
stakeholders
as
a
as
a
general
matter.
These
are
all
very
specific
questions
and
we
would
we
would
like
to
see
more
specificity
in
the
responses.
Certainly,
we
appreciate
the
effort
and
we
understand
the
consideration
was
done
at
this
meeting.
V
V
I
want
to
add
that
I
think
there
was
some
mischaracterization
about
the
productivity
of
the
meeting
between
the
Aaron
Jackson
and
the
members
of
hodc
and
Mount
Pisgah
I'm,
not
a
structural
engineer.
I,
don't
pause
it
to
be.
What
I
do
know
is
I'd
want
to
see
the
materials
that
were
completed
by
the
structural
engineer
to
understand
better
the
concern
that
we
raised
about
subsidence.
V
We
have
not
seen
those
the
picture
that
we
raise
if,
if
the
staff
could
could
include
for
questions
three
of
five,
the
applicant
questions
for
applicant
slide,
three
of
five.
V
That's
the
one!
Thank
you.
This
is
the
picture
on
Mount
pisgah's
website
and
we
are
wondering
why
this
isn't
a
feasible
alternative.
It
shows
the
church
as
the
center
property
and
the
hodc
on
the
corner
lot
that
is
currently
presented
on
the
on
the
website
of
of
the
non-profit
as
of
today,
and
so
again
we're
we
have
questions
about
why
this
rendering
well
is
is
still
being
disseminated
if
it's,
if
it's
infeasible,
and
why
it
was
why
it
was.
V
Determined
to
be
not
the
option
that
they
wanted
to
proceed
with
the
the
so
I
guess.
That's
I'll
leave
that
there.
The
standard
that
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense
for
both
of
us
is
not
the
standard
that
this
commission
needs
to
follow.
I
I
want
to.
You
know
that
this
is
the
best
option.
V
Those
aren't,
in
my
view,
responses
those
are
non-responses
again.
These
are
specific
questions
with
specific
concerns,
and
we
would
like
specific
answers.
V
I
would
raise
objection
to
the
tone
of
the
responses
also
appear
to
at
least
create
the
impression
that
the
project
is
already
approved,
and
we
have
concerns
about
that
as
well.
I
know
that's
been
touched
on,
but
I
wanted
to
reiterate.
Our
concern
there
Mr
Sutton's
calculation
earlier
about
the
estimated
cost
of
each
unit.
It
was
actually
conservative
I
think
he
included
the
the
space
of
the
retail
property
in
his
determination.
It's
actually
half
a
million
per
unit
construction
cost
for
the
for
the
development,
both
developments
with
the
14
variations.
V
So
we're
we're
not
clear.
You
could
be
very
happy
in
a
condo
in
Evanston
for
for
that
price
and-
and
we
don't
know
why
that's
sort
of
the
background
behind
our
question
and
slide
four
of
five
number
one
and
and
also
goes
to
sort
of
better
understanding
the
land
swap
I'm.
Also
not
a
traffic
consultant,
but
I
think
I
would
posit
that
our
experience
with
traffic
in
the
area
density,
bicyclists,
general
safety
concerns
are
very
different
from
that
of
the
traffic
consultant.
V
I,
don't
know
if
eths
was
in
in
a
school
when
they
committed
and
conducted
that
study
in
January,
so,
and
also
so
that's
a
contrary
fact
to
what
was
presented.
The
concerns
about
the
vacant
lot.
V
Certainly,
we
understand
the
need
to
solicit
folks
to
use
the
tenant
in
a
commercial
way,
but
if
they
remain
vacant,
the
character,
the
the
feel
of
the
community,
we
all
know
and
I
think
can
appreciate
how
a
vacant
lot
is
a
detriment
to
a
community
when
a
lot
is
left
vacant
for
a
substantial
period
of
time.
V
V
The
fact
that
the
the
parking
spaces
two
spots
should
be
sufficient
sufficient,
it's
the
safest
and
most
reasonable
option,
I
guess:
I
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
true
I
think
that's
one
opinion,
but
it's
certainly
not
a
fact
in
our
in
our
experience,
so
I'll
reiterate
that
we
remain.
We
recommend
that
this
commission
deny
all
major
variations
that
are
requested.
The
standards
here
are
not
to
call
into
question
the
Zone
the
zoning
code
as
a
whole.
V
It's
to
look
at
the
very
specific
standards
that
are
set
forth,
one
through
seven
and
again
in
our
written
materials
they
go
into,
which
are
in
intimately
tied
with
a
written
testimony,
and
they
must
be
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
written
testimony
by
the
verbal
testimony.
My
verbal
testimony
does
not
stand
alone.
It's
in
conjunction
with
the
written
testimony
goes
into
substantial
detail
as
to
why
the
facts
demonstrate
that
the
seven
standards
are
not
met
are
not
met
here.
A
V
R
Chair
Rogers,
before
you
close
and
start
deliberations,
one
thing
that
was
mentioned
by
the
applicant
is
that
they've
made
changes
to
their
site
plan.
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
closing.
A
A
Do
that
that
there's
clarification
well
I'm,
not
closing
anything.
Yet
I
was
just
going
to
get
a
temperature
from
the
board.
A
We've
we've
had
a
lot
of
back
and
forth.
We've
got
a
lot
of
questions,
not
a
lot
of
answers.
Sometimes,
we've
got
answers
that
aren't
necessarily
two
questions.
A
What
is
the
general
feeling
of
the
board
in
terms
of
what
I
would
like
to
do,
and
this
is
a
this-
is
up
to
the
board?
I
will
not
be
at
the
next
meeting.
A
I
cannot
be
at
the
meeting
on
the
22nd,
but
I
would
like
to
take
time
to
look
through
the
information
that
was
presented
to
us
today.
A
I
would
like
to
give
each
the
applicant
and
the
neighbor,
who
filed
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
each
other
I'm,
putting
deadlines
timelines
in
for
everything
and
allow
them
10
minutes
each
for
any
summation
at
the
next
meeting
and
then
just
go
right
into
deliberation.
However,
I
will
not
be
at
that
meeting,
so
that
puts
an
onus
on
Mr
Patel
and
the
rest
of
you.
F
So
the
so
would
when
would
we
when
would
the
commission
get
revised
plans
and.
A
That's
the
thing:
that's
the
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
what
do
we
want?
So
I've
got
I've
written
down,
revised,
updated
renderings
of
everything,
because,
what's
in
our
packet,
isn't
the
most
current
evidently
and
any
additional
develop
any
any
additional
information?
The
developer
feels
he
needs
to
respond
to.
Based
on
these
questions,
he
literally
was
given
these
moments
before.
F
A
Other
thing
that
we
just
said
we
were
shown
right
literally
give
them
time
to
put
everything
in
writing,
respond
for
10
minutes,
because
I
don't
want
this
to
have
another
two
hour
hearing.
It
doesn't
need
another
two-hour
hearing,
but
I
think
there's
still
a
bunch
of
things
out
there
that
we
have
to
tie
up
in
order
to
make
a
decision,
because
I
don't
feel
I
can
make
an
informed
decision.
Necessarily
at
this
point,
because
there's
just
too
many
questions
that
are
still
tending
and
I
want
answers
and
rebuttals,
and
things
like
that.
A
A
And
so
we
all
have
the
exact
same
facts
on
the
table
at
the
exact
time.
And
then
a
decision
be
rendered
at
that
meeting.
I
would
give
10
minutes
each
to
the
developer
and
to
miss
gaian
representing
the
immediate
neighbor
and
and
then
we
would
go
into
deliberation
and
and
render
a
decision
at
that
point.
A
Of
anything
okay,
so
we
have
the
latest
plan.
We
have
the
latest
the
latest,
rendering
we
have
answers
to
questions
that
the
developer
feels
they
have
to
respond
to
in
order
to
respond
to
the
neighbor
and
that
the
neighbor
then
and
I
would
ask
that
each
party
share
their
information
with
each
other.
I
can't
ask
the
developer
to
respond
to
a
series
of
questions
that
I'm
literally
throwing
in
front
of
him
in
the
middle
of
a
meeting.
A
So
that's
why
I
would
like
to
have
that
stuff
in
on
the
Thursday
before
so
when
you
appear
here
during
that
10-minute
period,
you
can
respond
to
anything.
In
particular,
that's
been
raised
by
the
other
person
at
that
time.
A
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
second
I'm
trying
to
I'm
kind
of
feeling
out
my
board
here
to
see.
If
this
is
what
everybody
else
I
mean,
if
everybody
else
feels
they
can
make
a
decision
right
now,
then
I'll
just
step
away
from
it,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
the
sense
I'm
getting
from
the
rest
of
the
commissioners.
F
I
don't
know
if
this
affects
anything
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
recuse
myself
from
the
vote,
because
I
learned
some
things
in
this
testimony
that
told
me
that
a
fam,
a
close
family
member
May
benefit
from
this
project
directly
and
so
I
was
advised
to
recuse.
K
W
AJ
A
And
correct
me
Mr
George,
but
once
they're
noticed
that
is
considered
notice
once
they're
there
in
the
mail
so
correct.
Thank
you.
A
So
the
Commissioners
who
are
here
the
only
one
we're
missing
is
commissioner
Hugo
I
will
not
be
able
to
be
in
attendance.
Commissioner
halek
will
have
to
recuse
himself
from
this,
which
takes
us
down
to
seven
members
being
available
at
most
next
time.
This
is
a
determination
case,
which
means.
But
although
that's
right,
no,
it's
not
it's
not
anymore.
It's
a
recommendation,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
meet
the
five
concurring
votes
in
there.
A
So
quick
pull
attendance
for
the
next
meeting.
I
realize
things
occur
from
time
to
time,
but
as
everyone's
schedule,
no
one
has
a
planned
absence.
A
R
You
can
go
ahead
and
I
just
have
something
to
add
for
clarification
purposes.
The
date
of
submittal
for
the
revised
Plans
by
Thursday
is
not
going
to
be
workable
for
staff
to
revise
the
staff
report.
That's
due
Friday.
So
is
it
possible
to
have
the
revised
plans
Monday.
A
Sure
I
I
would
move
for
a
continuance
to
the
next
meeting.
A
Is
one
other
case
which
is
a
text
text
Amendment.
R
So
on
the
22nd,
we
currently
have
the
continued
from
the
last
vote
for
the
item
that
was
this
evening.
That.
R
A
D
Case
I
think
it
might
be
helpful
to
let
community
members
know
how
we
would
be
handling
this
on
the
22nd,
whether
there's
testimony
that
they
would
be
allowed
to
give
or
just
just
so.
Everyone
is
aware
of
what
we'll
be
doing.
Maybe.
A
C
I
have
a
question
because
you
know
we
focused
really
on
the
residential
portion,
but
we
also
have
the
the
church
as
well
that
we
have
not
yeah
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
for
for
the
pastor
with
respect
to
that
portion
of
the
the
project.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
should
happen
tonight
or
if
that
should
happen.
A
C
C
C
The
requested
variations,
but
I
I
was
looking
at
the
plans
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
It
appears
that
the
access
to
the
third
floor,
Christian
education
space,
is
only
accessed
by
a
stair,
not
an
elevator,
or
is
that
going
to
get
revised
in
in
the
final
Clans
I
I?
Just
you
know
it's.
It
seems
wrong
to
build
a
building.
That's
not
fully
accessible
yeah.
AL
I'm
not
with
Suzuki
kid
Architects,
architect,
helping
Mount
Pisgah
so
that
that
third
level
is
really
considered
a
mezzanine.
So
the
the
square
footage
on
that
is
smaller
under
a
thousand
square
feet.
So
we
we
aren't
required
to
have
as
have
two
exits.
We
just
need
the
one,
the
ones
there
there
for
that
that
one
space,
okay.
C
And
then
I
guess
well
you're
up
there.
The
variation
to
provide
the
occupied
space
be
behind
the
the
parapet.
Cap
is
that
a
maybe
a
staff
question
is
that
an
overlay
District
requirement?
So
it's
not
part
of
the
base,
zoning
and
then
I
guess
the
other
real
comment
I
have
is
while
I
know
that
you
have
to
you
know,
avoid
light
pollution
from
the
exterior
lights,
and
you
know
the
the
question
becomes.
Are
you
planning
on
leaving
your
your
building
lit
all
night
or
the
light's
going
to
go
off
at
a
certain
point?
C
C
You
know,
while
it
doesn't
appear
that
it's
going
to
directly
shine
into
anybody's
window
I,
you
know
would
like
to
get
some
some
comment
on.
You
know
how
you're
planning
on
handling
not
having
the
light,
unnecessarily
intrude.
X
AL
AL
AL
Q
A
C
Q
Carries
and
just
another
thing
if
the
commission
was
going
to
close
the
testimony
tonight,
just
to
reopen
it
at
a
subsequent
meeting,
I
believe
that
might
require
new
notice
requirements.
A
Well
then,
I'm
not
closing
it
I'm,
not
re-noticing
this
thing
so
so
back
to
the
original
idea
here
is
there
a
feeling
that
people
have
enough
information
to
make
a
decision
on
everything
this
evening.
AG
A
All
right,
Miss,
Williams.
R
My
only
request
is
that
the
applicant
for
the
hodc
projects
specify
what
has
changed
or
say
that
they
are
proposing
what
has
been
shown
in
renderings
this
evening,
because
what
you
recommend
approval
on
will
ultimately
go
in
the
packet
for
city
council
and
we
do
not
have
revised
plans
at
this
point.
So
we
need
to
know
what
those
changes
are.
A
AM
John
Clark
the
architect
for
the
hodc
project
since
meeting
with
staff.
Many
months
ago,
we
made
some
changes
to
the
exterior
of
the
building.
We
added
brick
and
Juliet
balconies
to
one
portion
of
the
building,
which
is
shown
on
the
current
renderings.
That
Richard
showed
tonight.
I'm,
not
really
sure
what
has
been
submitted
to
you
can.
AM
Oh,
it's
all
right
am
I
navigating
that
or
are
they
doing.
AM
So
the
idea
that
of
the
charcoal
brick
is
to
respond
to
the
Slate
color
of
the
adjacent
French
Regency
same
color
that
we
had,
but
we
changed
the
material
to
Brick
added
Juliet
balconies,
the
balconies
have
repositioned
based
on
the
living
room
positions
in
plan,
so
we
originally
on
the
earlier.
Some
of
the
balconies
were
inboard
from
the
corner.
Now
they're
pushed
out
to
the
corner
because
the
living
room
was
over
on
the
corner,
the
brick
towards
turns
the
corner,
that's
something
that
we
have
wanted
to
do.
We.
AM
It
was
not
done
before
we're
trying
to
avoid
us
we're
trying
to
pull
back
an
inch
from
the
adjacent
building,
because
that
was
requested
at
Richard's
meeting.
So
we
have
to
work
through
that,
but
our
goal
is
to
both
provide
brick
to
turn
the
corner,
so
that
visually
it's
it's
a
continuous
and
then
also
pulled
back
from
the
adjacent
structure.
On
the
on
the
west.
AM
We
from
the
original
scheme
we
added
the
balcony,
the
outer
deck
on
the
on
the
front,
so
that
was
on
the
on
the
plants
that
you've
got.
We
removed
the
planters,
we,
we
reduce
the
setback
of
the
projected
canopy
IT
projects
out
to
two
feet,
but
we
thought
it
was
dominating
the
building
to
the
West
too
much
so
we
decided
to
pull
it
back
so
that
it
it
doesn't
the
canopy,
by
the
way,
aligns
with
the
banding
on
the
building
to
the
west
to
continue
that
line
down
the
street.
AM
W
The
the
plan
that
I'm
looking
at
that
was
in
the
packet
matches
matches
that
elevation
in
terms
of
the
the
materials
the
colors,
the
Juliet
balcony,
I'm,
not
understanding
the
comment
about
the
canopy.
The
plans
that
I'm
looking
at
do
not
show
a
canopy.
AM
AM
F
T
D
A
If
not
at
this
point,
then
I
will
close
public
record.
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
commissioner
who
would
like
to
go
through
the
standards.
I
do
not
feel
that
I
can
go
through
the
standards
because
I
don't
think
I
have
enough
information,
I'm,
I'm,
hearing
lots
of
kind
of
on
the
Fly.
Oh
this,
this
drawing
is
going
to
be
this
and
I.
Don't
feel
comfortable
approving
something
like
that.
C
Complete
and
accurate
and
I
think
that
at
a
minimum
we
need
to
have
whatever
the
revised
drawings
are
and
the
request
I
think.
The
only
variation
change
is
that
in
number
three
reducing
the
required
rear
yard
set
back
from
five
feet
to
2.5
feet
is
but
I
think
that
that's.
C
But
you
know
I
think
that
that
we
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
you
know.
I,
certainly,
don't
think
we
need
to
take
additional
testimony
necessarily,
but
we
certainly
ought
to
have
the
the
correct
materials.
A
What
does
the
rest
of
the
commission
feel
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
continue
with
whatever
conditions
somebody
wants
to
place
on
that.
K
A
C
I
move
that
we've
reopened
testimony
and
continue
the
meeting
to
February
22nd
with
respect
to
changes
in
setbacks
and
building
materials
and
facade
treatments.
A
A
D
A
Sorry,
it's
late
has
been
moved
by
lindwall
for
a
continuance
and
to
reopen
public
testimony,
so
the
testimony
can
be
taken
at
the
meeting
on
February
22nd
regarding
to
the
changes
that
appear
in
the
renderings
that
will
be
presented
to
this
commission
at
that
time,
and
it
has
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Westerberg.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing
none
I
will
ask
for
a
roll
call
vote.
Please.
AM
A
With
seven
in
favor
and
the
commissioner
halik
having
to
abstain,
the
motion
carries
this
matter
will
be
continued
until
the
meeting
on
the
22nd
for
the.
O
A
On
the
the
rendering
changes
that
will
be
presented.
C
I
move
that
we
continue
1801
to
1805
Church
Street
to
February
22nd.
A
It's
been
moved
is
there
a
second
second
move
by
West
I
mean
sorry
moved
by
lindwold
second
by
westenberg.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing
none
roll
call
vote.
Please.