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A
When
you
bring
me
back
in
person-
and
I
don't
have
my
calendar
right
in
front
of
me-
the
april
13th
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission,
the
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
A
A
D
E
A
Here
so
with
one
seven
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
A
Also
to
present
tonight
are
from
city
staff,
our
neighborhood
land
use,
planner,
megan
jones,
planner,
katie,
ashva,
zoning
administrator,
melissa,
klotz,
and
it
looks
like
we
have
us
assistant
city
attorney,
your
assistant
city,
attorney,
okay,
didn't
know
your
exact
title
alex
ruggie
here
with
us.
Also,
this
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
A
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
If
there
are
a
large
number
of
persons
signed
up
for
comment,
our
rules
grant
the
chair
the
right
to
limit
the
amount
of
time
for
each
person
to
speak.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that.
Person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject,
property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
A
A
The
commission
will
make
a
formal
findings
of
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented,
guided
by
the
standards
and
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
our
community,
as
well
as
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
did
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you're
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded,
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
A
A
Thank
you
and
then
the
second
is
a
text
amendment
an
omnibus
text,
amendment
being
presented
by
staff,
and
I
believe
ms
klotz
you're
taking
us
through
that
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
ask
anyone
who
feels
that
they
may
be
speaking
to
us
on
any
matter
this
evening
to
be
sworn.
A
A
A
Seeing
none
I'll
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
for
approval
of
those
minutes,
I'll
move
to
approve
alec
moves
approval
of
the
minutes.
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
commissioner
poutel?
Would
you
please
call
the
roll
actually
do
we
have
to
do
roll
since
we're
all
in
person
now
again.
F
I
don't
believe
so.
No,
no.
A
So
we
can
just
do
this
as
a
voice
vote,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
all
opposed,
and
then
anybody
who
was
not
here
who
wishes
to
abstain
from
that?
Thank
you.
So
the
motion
is
carried
and
the
minutes
are
approved
with
that.
Now
we
will
move
on
to
the
first
matter
of
business,
which
is
a
special
use,
permit
22
zmjv0016
for
1804
maple
avenue.
G
Andrew
scott
of
dicama
applicant
on
behalf
of
verona,
evanson
llc
requests
a
special
use
permit
for
a
cannabis
dispensary
in
the
rp
research
park.
District
zoning
code,
section
6-12-2-3,
the
land
use
commission,
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case,
in
accordance
with
section
6-3-5-8
of
the
evanson
zoning
code
and
ordinance
92-0-21.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
My
name
is
andrew
scott,
with
the
law
offices
of
dicoma
gosset
here
on
behalf
of
the
petitioner
with
me.
This
evening
are
anthony
marcico,
who
is
a
principal
with
the
petitioner
and
to
his
left
is
ed
farrell
with
silverstar
protection
group.
They
are
the
company
that
provides
security
for
this
particular
facility.
H
Just
as
a
little
bit
of
background,
the
property
is
1804.
Maple
many
folks
may
be
already
familiar
with
the
site.
It's
operated
as
a
dispensary,
since
I
want
to
say
2015
2016
when
pharmacan
originally
operated
there.
It
was
a
medical
dispensary
since
that
time.
Obviously,
recreational
cannabis
has
come
online
in
the
state.
H
H
It
was
about
a
2,
400
square
foot
dispensary,
the
property
is
owned
by
the
city
and
in
the
interim,
since
2019,
the
dispensary
has
actually
expanded
to
about
3
900
square
feet,
and
since
med
men
took
over,
the
petitioner
has
actually
bought
the
med
men
entity
and
had
been
operating
the
dispensary
under
a
management
agreement
with
med
men,
but
they
are
now
the
owner
of
the
petitioner
entity,
so
we're
here
to
get
the
special
use
for
this
particular
entity,
as
well
as
to
address
the
larger
footprint
3900
square
feet,
as
opposed
to
2400
square
feet
that
was
originally
approved
by
the
city
several
years
ago.
H
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just,
as
I
said,
I
think
many
are
familiar
with
the
site
already
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
anthony.
Just
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
how
it
operates,
talk
about
security,
and
we
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
about
the
operations
or
any
part
of
the
business.
B
B
So,
when
we
took
over,
you
know
we
we
like
to
instill
our
brand
and
our
values
for
customer
experience,
and
I
think
this
expansion
will
absolutely
do
this.
For
those
of
you
who
are
not
familiar
with
dispensaries.
As
andrew
mentioned,
this
dispensary
currently
operates
as
a
medical
and
adult
use.
Dispensary
zen
leaf
operates
dispensaries
across
the
country
currently
over.
A
hundred
compliance
and
security
are
of
the
utmost
importance
to
us.
B
So
when
someone
comes
into
our
dispensary
they're
going
to
be
greeted
by
our
dispensary
staff,
as
well
as
our
security
team,
they're
going
to
be
credentialed
they're
very
strict
guidelines
for
the
way
that
our
dispensary
operates.
As
far
as
security
goes,
we
have
a
robust
security
and
camera
alarm
system.
B
Every
square
inch
of
our
facility,
interior
and
exterior
is
covered
with
cameras,
with
the
exception
of
the
restrooms.
Those
cameras
have
to
be
have
to
retain
camera
footage
for
a
minimum
of
90
days.
It's
done
through
cloud
storage
and
we're
over
seen
by
idf
pr
and
the
illinois
state
police.
We
have
regular
checkups
from
both
of
those
both
of
those
entities.
Idfpr
comes
to
our
facility
minimum
once
per
quarter,
illinois
state
police,
at
least
once
every
30
days.
B
We
saw
a
variety
of
different
types
of
cannabis
items,
so
cannabis,
flour,
edibles,
vapes,
tinctures,
topicals
things
you'd
see
in
a
dispensary
improvements
to
the
space,
so
we're
making.
We've
made
significant
improvements
to
the
space
upwards
of
a
million
dollars
investment
and
the
goal
is
to
provide
a
safe
environment
where
patients
and
purchasers
can
visit
purchase
cannabis
to
assist
with
varying
ailments
for
qualifying
conditions,
as
well
as
provide
wellness
to
customers
seeking
right
recreational
use.
B
B
There's
a
really
strong,
positive
local
impact,
job
creation.
First
off,
so
we
currently
employ
approximately
five
full-time
positions,
with
salaries
ranging
from
thirty
five
thousand
seventy
five
thousand
annually.
The
tax
revenue
benefits
for
the
community
are
robust
and
also
something
that
is
often
overlooked
is
increased
customers
for
surrounding
businesses.
So
we
view
this
as
a
bit
of
a
regional
draw,
so
we
see
uptick
to
other
retail
surrounding
businesses
and,
lastly,
good
stewards
of
the
community
so
being
engaged
in
the
community.
B
On
top
of
this
physical
security,
which
is
cameras,
alarm
system
motion,
sensors,
glass
breaks,
we
also
have
an
inventory
management
system,
that's
overseen
by
the
state,
the
point
of
sale.
We
have
to
maintain
a
point
of
sale
system,
that's
that
not
only
tracks
all
the
inventory,
but
it's
keyed
into
this
state.
So
we're
not
allowed
to
we're
not
allowed
to
vary
that
inventory
in
any
way,
and
if
there
is
any
sort
of
discrepancy
it
will
be
caught.
We
do
nightly
inventory
checks
and
we'd
have
to
let
the
state
know.
B
B
Once
that
happens,
they
would
be
issued
a
state
issued
id
and
they
have
to
wear
that
during
all
hours
of
operation,
they're
also
trained
to
lean
on
our
security
staff
in
an
emergency
situation,
notify
local
law
enforcement
if
they
observe
any
suspicious
activity,
and
they
also
are
trained
on
how
to
assist
customers
and
patients
on
how
to
handle
emergency
events
such
as
active
shooter
robbery,
medical
emergencies,
things
like
that
ed's
team,
as
andrew
mentioned
silver
star
protection,
they're,
a
third-party
security
company
that
we
use
they
have
avid
experience
in
the
cannabis
space
they
manage
over
100
dispensaries.
B
Now
I
think
in
five
states
they've
been
with
us
for
quite
a
while.
I
won't
bring
him
up
here
because
I
know
we're
a
little
short
on
time.
But
if
there's
any
questions
I
know
he
can
add
to
that.
That's
basically
the
operational
operations
that
we're
proposing.
I
B
As
well
as
outside,
they
have
to
also
have
a
certain
frame
per
second
to
where
they
can
not
only
detect
faces
also
license
plates.
If
there
was
any
sort
of
incident,
so
we
rarely
have
incidents
at
our
dispensaries,
something
more
often
we
see
is
like
helping
local
law
enforcement
with
a
hit
and
run
or
something
like
that
in
the
parking
lot
things
like
that,
so
I've
been
known
to
do
that.
B
This
location
yeah
definitely
not
that
since
we've
been
in
charge
and
not
that
I
know
of
maybe
a
minor
customer
incident,
but
nothing
like
diversion
theft,
robbery,
nothing
like
that.
A
Commissioner,
just
I
I've
raised
that
question
about.
Have
there
been
any
issues
with
this
property
and,
according
to
chief
eddington,
there
have
been
five
calls
to
this
location
since
it's
been
in
operation
and
he
considered
all
of
them
to
be
minor
incidents
so
again,
not
a
robbery,
not
a
theft,
those
sorts
of
things.
Thank
you
other
questions
from
other
commissioners,
our
commissioner,
all
right,
I'm
sorry,
commissioner
cooktel.
I'm
not
used
to
being
back
with
the
light
system.
No.
J
Worries
what
are
the
goals
of
the
expansion,
the
goals.
B
Are
really
to
enhance
customer
experience
so
additional
point
of
sales,
a
better,
better
patient,
consult
area
and
overall,
just
flow
of
the
store.
So
when
you're
in
a
tight
space,
you
know
you
lose
out
on
some
of
those
experiences,
especially
with
patients.
B
You
know
we
deal
with
a
number
of
qualifying
conditions,
terminally,
ill
cancer,
patients,
ms
epilepsy,
sometimes
with
children-
and
you
know,
there's
there's
some
of
those
moments
where
you
want
to
have
those
private
consult
areas
and
a
little
bit
more
difficult
conversations,
and
also
even
someone
who
walks
in
for
recreational
who's,
maybe
never
used
cannabis
before
and
is
curious.
We
want
to
have
the
time
and
have
the
space
to
educate
them,
go
through
the
products
and
and
really
find
out
what
what
they're
looking
to
accomplish.
E
In
our
previous
approval
of
this
special
use,
we
were
interested
not
only
what
happens
inside,
but
what
happens
outside
and
we'll
ask.
I
will
ask
once
again
the
same
question
with
a
little
bit,
something
from
your
experience.
What,
if
you
have
a
line
outside
relatively
long
and
it
starts
pouring
grain
yeah?
What
will
happen.
B
B
B
We
do
have
a
crowd
and
customer
flow
protocols
in
place.
We
would
cue
them,
but
I
don't
anticipate
with
the
new
expanded
space
ever
seen,
even
at
our
most
peak
times,
420
black
friday
events
like
those
to
have
lines
outside,
but
just
touching
on
some
of
the
other
outdoor
activities.
We
have
a
very
strict,
no
loitering
policy
in
place.
Very
strict,
no
consumption
policy
in
place
deliveries
are
done
in
such
a
way
to
strict
sops,
so
our
security
team,
ed
staff,
would
do
an
exterior
sweep
of
the
building.
B
B
Just
because
it's
mature,
we
have
the
ability
to
go
to
a
reservation
model
to
where
you
could
reserve
a
time
slot
similar
to
open
table.
We've
done
that
in
the
past,
at
some
stores.
Again,
this
is
early
on
recreational,
where
we
did
see
the
long
lines.
We
also
utilize
an
online
reservation
program
for
products
so
for
returning
customers
who
know
exactly
what
they
want.
B
You
can
reserve
those
products,
they'd
be
waiting
for
you
in
our
vault
and
when
you
came
up
it
would
simply
just
be
a
transaction,
so
we're
eliminating
some
of
those
bottlenecks
with
the
long
long
moments
and
again
talking
about
consultations.
Things
like
that
that
also
eliminates
kind
of
the
customer
flow
having
additional
point
of
sales,
and
if
there
is
someone
who
needs
a
little
bit
more
time,
it's
not
taking
place
at
the
point
of
sale
which
could
bottleneck
the
flow
of
customers.
B
A
D
G
K
B
That's
something
we've
done
so
something
that
was
added
because
of
the
pandemic
is
curbside
pickup.
Okay.
So
when
the
pandemic
happened,
they
put
emergency
rules
in
place,
and
these
were
designed
for
specific
patients.
There
was
open
all
patients
only
on
the
medical
side,
not
recreational
to
allow
them
an
experience
that
would
not
be
around
social,
eliminate
some
of
the
social
contact
that
those
were
extended
month
after
month,
and
now
it's
become
a
permanent
rule
again
for
medical
patients.
B
Only
the
online
reservation,
something
that
we've
done
for
a
while,
so
they're
not
actually
able
to
make
the
transaction
just
able
to
select
the
products
again
they're
secured
in
our
vault
and
then
once
customers
are
credentialed
and
they
present
those
credentials
on
the
interior
of
our
building.
Then
the
transaction
takes
place,
but
it
really
streamlines
the
process
and
again
everyone
who
walks
in
our
stores
a
little
bit
different
we've
got
cannabis
connoisseurs,
you
can
call
them.
B
K
Okay-
and
you
said
you'd
many
locations
right,
correct
in
illinois,
so.
A
Other
questions
from
commissioners
could
you
do
me
a
favor
and
on
this
little
map
we
have
up
here
just
kind
of
tell
us
what
is
new,
that
you
said:
you're
expanding.
D
B
H
Again
for
the
record,
andrew
scott,
so
what
you
see
there
today,
that
was
the
prior
four
floor
plan
when
it
was
operated
by
pharmacan
and
medmen,
and
then,
if
you,
basically,
if
you
were
to
scroll
to
the,
if
you
were
to
move
to
the
south,
where
the
pointer
is
right
now
in
this
area
right
here,
that's
going
to
be
the
new,
so
katie
if
you
could
scroll
down
to
just
to
show.
H
A
A
Okay,
I've
not
been
into
it
since
you've
gone
recreational,
so
I
know
the
small
footprint,
but
then,
when
the
special
use
came
through
three
years
ago
or
whatever
it
was,
was
there
an
expansion
at
that
point?
It
just
recently
happened,
yeah,
okay,
so
that
that
did
happen,
and
then
this
is
a
further
expansion.
Am
I
understanding
that
correctly,
or
is
this
just.
A
H
The
there
is
no
correct,
it's
not
getting
larger.
H
A
What
I
was
trying
to
clarify
for
the
record:
are
there
any
other
questions
from
commissioners.
A
I
will
note
that
we
did
receive
at
least
a
couple
comments.
I
believe
on
this
that
have
been
provided
to
commissioners,
so
I
guess
not
having
anything
else.
If,
mr
scott,
if
there's
anything,
I
know
you
just
sat
down,
but
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
say
in
conclusion
before
we
begin
deliberation.
A
A
K
I
I'm
in
support
at
that
location
on
maple,
just
going
downtown
running
running
errands.
I
go
past
the
place
all
the
time
and
there's
never.
I've
never
noticed
a
problem
with
people,
loitering
or
or
traffic
or
or
anything,
and
it's
the
expansions
happen
and
it
doesn't
really
seem
to
negatively
affect
downtown,
it's
probably
generating
some
parking
receipts
for
that
parking
garage
and
some
some
some
more
customers
shopping
at
other
places
downtown.
So
I
haven't
noticed
any
kind
of
judgment
at
all.
Since
it's
been
opened.
A
A
We
will
go
through
the
the
standards
for
special
uses
unless
somebody
has
something
else
to
say
I'll,
go
ahead
and
start
those
the
first
one
being
it
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
we
do
find
that
this
is
one
of
the
few
places
in
the
city
of
evanston
that
a
medical
dispensary,
I'm
sorry,
a
marijuana
dispensary
is
even
permitted
and
that
it
does
meet
that
number
two.
A
We're
really
here,
because
the
special
use,
one
of
the
conditions
that
was
placed
on
it
on
it
by
the
zba
when
it
came
through
before,
was
that
any
change
in
ownership
would
require
the
new
owner
to
come
before
this
board
to
ask
for
a
continuation
of
the
special
use
and
I'm
sure
that
that's
a
condition
that
we
would
like
to
place
again
on
this
particular
owner,
so
that
if
in
the
future,
they
decide
to
to
sell
the
property
or
not
sell
the
property,
but
to
sell
the
business
fine
to
somebody
else
to
operate
the
business.
A
That
would
be
something
we
would
put
in
place
number
three.
It
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
We've
had
some
testimony
basically
that
they
have
a
very
secure
security
program
in
place.
They
are
actually
monitored
by
the
state
police
and
the
state
of
illinois
is
heavily
involved,
and
so
we've
not
seen
any
any
negative
effects
of
the
existing
operation,
and
I
don't
believe
that
by
the
change
of
ownership
in
this,
since
it
seems,
they've
been
operating
it
as
well
as
operating
several
other
facilities
throughout
the
state
and
throughout
the
country.
A
A
It
is
located
in
one
of
the
city's
parking
lots
and
the
city
of
evanston
actually
is
their
landlord,
and
so
I
think
that
the
fact
that
this,
if
anything,
this
is
actually
bringing
in
a
lot
of
revenue
for
the
city,
which
is
helping
keep
property
values
from
being
increased
elsewhere
throughout
the
city
number
five,
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
Again,
this
is
an
operating
business,
but
we
aren't
expected
to
see
a
large
additional
drain
on
anything
so
that
one
is
met.
A
Number
six
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
I
believe
this
standard
is
met
is
located
again
in
a
parking
garage
where
there
is
one
hour
of
free
parking.
I
believe
we're
still
doing
that
so
that
that's
that
standard
is
is
not
a
problem
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources.
A
This
building
is
not
historically
or
significant,
are
architecturally
significant
and
basically
we're
looking
at
an
interior
build
out
without
any
change
to
the
exterior
of
the
structure,
so
that
standard
is
met.
Number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
environmental
features.
This
standard
really
does
not
apply
here,
because
we
aren't
really
talking
about
anything
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
number
nine.
A
This
is
probably,
if
not
the
most
regulated
business
in
the
city
of
evanston.
It
has
to
be
one
of
the
most
regulated
again
there.
There
are
people
at
every
level
of
government
who
have
regulations
specifically
for
this
type
of
operation
and
again
not
hearing
any
real
problems
with
the
operations
of
the
business.
I
believe
that
the
standard
is
also
met.
Is
everyone,
in
agreement
with
my
findings
on
standards,
all
right
talking
about
conditions
on
the
property?
A
As
I
said,
I
think
that
we
would
want
to
reinstate
the
condition
that,
if
the
property,
the
businesses
change
his
hands
again,
that
we
would
want
the
new
owner
to
come
back
for
a
special
use
just
to
kind
of
keep
consistent
with
the
the
last
time
this
was
done.
Are
there
any
other
special
conditions
that
anybody
would
would
want
to
place
on
the
business?
G
The
city
code
requires
them
to
be
they're,
limited
to
10
a.m,
to
8
p.m.
Daily,
okay,.
A
So
that's
in
the
city
code
so
we'll
just
add
that
in
again
as
a
special
condition
10
to
8
on
there-
and
I
can't
think
of
anything
else
that
we
would
need
to
place
anything
from
staff
that
they
would
want
us
to
consider.
A
Okay,
no
not
really,
like.
I
said
it's
kind
of
an
operating
business,
so
we're
just
kind
of
repeating
things
that
have
been
placed
on
them
before.
So
with
that,
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
in
regard
to
22
zmjv0016,
a
special
use
permit
for
1804
maple
avenue.
I
I
moved
to
approve
this
project
with
two
conditions.
One
is
that
if
there
was
a
change
in
ownership
that
would
require
coming
back
for
special
use
approval
again
and
that
the
hours
of
operation
are
10
a.m,
to
8
p.m.
10.
A
I
C
A
Yes,
so
with
seven
votes
in
favor,
and
none
against
the
this
application
will
move
forward
to
city
council
with
a
positive
recommendation
and
work
with
city
staff
they'll,
let
you
know
exactly
when
you'll
appear
before
pnd
and
then
move
on
to
council.
After
that.
Thank
you
and
good
luck
with
your
project.
A
A
I've
talked
with
staff
and
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
do
this,
probably
like
quarterly
or
something
like
that,
where
we
will
yeah,
you
don't
raise
your
eyes,
that's
what
we
discussed
so
that
we,
instead
of
voting
on
a
bunch
of
tiny
little
things
kind
of
throughout
the
course
we'll
have
once
a
quarter
if
necessary,
applicate
our
an
application
by
the
city
for
changes
that
are
necessary
within
our
our
zoning
code,
and
this
will
also
help
clean
up.
Do
the
housekeeping
stuff
that
sometimes
just
gets
neglected,
so
miss
klotz.
L
Thank
you,
chair
rogers,
a
city
initiated
text,
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
title
vi
of
the
city
code
for
an
omnibus
text.
Amendment
package
relating
to
the
following
one
redact,
all
mentions
of
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
plan
commission
title
vi
and
replace
with
the
land
use
commission
in
accordance
with
section
2-19
of
the
city
code
and
ordinance,
92021
2
update,
ada
parking
regulations,
section
616
to
follow
current
regulations
of
the
americans
with
disabilities
act;
standards
for
accessible
design
and
use
appropriate
wording.
L
L
L
Some
of
these
are
just
simple
wording:
cleanups
some
are
code
cleanups
that
are
required
due
to
other
changes
that
have
already
occurred,
and
then
there
are
a
few
minor
changes
thrown
in
there
as
well.
So
I
will
quickly
run
through
each
of
these
and
then
I'm
sure,
there's
some
questions
and
we
can
kind
of
circle
back
to
the
items
that
you
guys
have
questions
on.
L
L
Sure
so
the
first
one,
this
is
probably
the
simplest
one.
This
is
since
we
have
removed
the
plan
commission
and
the
zoning
board
from
being
boards
and
committees
here
in
evanston
and
now
combined
to
the
land
use
commission,
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
zoning
ordinance
and
just
strike
all
mentions
of
those
two
commissions
and
replace
it
with
land
use.
Commission
there's
no
actual
policy
changes
or
anything
like
that
relating
to
to
this
specific
text.
Amendment.
L
The
second
one-
this
is
a
fairly
simple
one
as
well,
there's
a
very
short
section
within
the
zoning
ordinance
about
ada
parking
regulations,
they're
referred
to
as
handicap
regulations,
which
is
not
appropriate,
and
they
also
reflect
what
the
ada
regulations
were
roughly
15
years
ago.
So
since
then,
those
regulations
have
changed
a
little
bit
to
where
certain
ada
spots
can
share
their
striping
lanes.
Things
like
that,
so
we
would
like
to
be
consistent
with
what
ada
regulations
really
are.
L
E
Can
I
ask
you
something
you
mentioned
that
one
of
the
things
is
replace
the
word
handicapped
and
the
text
that
follows.
Is
this:
what
is
it
currently
or
what
you
are
proposing,
because
it
still
uses
the
word
handicapped
and
the
2010
standards
they
use
the
word
accessible.
E
L
Moving
on
to
number
three,
that
is,
to
move
the
sign
code
from
the
building
ordinance
into
the
zoning
ordinance.
This
is
a
moderate
code.
Change
staff
has
identified
that
most
other
communities
use
their
sign
code
within
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
our
current
practice
is
is
that
planner
katie
ashbot
is
doing
all
sign
reviews.
L
So
we
are
not
proposing
to
actually
change
any
regulations
to
signs
just
move
those
regulations
into
the
zoning
ordinance
and
then
in
doing
so,
establish
major
and
minor
variations
for
signs.
So
we
have
looked
at
data
from
the
last
few
years.
We
went
back,
I
believe,
five
years
since
covid
has
thrown
things
off
and
given
that
data
we
do
suggest
minor
variations
for
wall
sign
height
and
blade
sign,
height
and
or
area.
L
Those
are
two
somewhat
common
sign
variations
that
are
requested
and
those
would
be
limited
to
the
35
percent
threshold
that
other
existing
variations
are
also
limited
to.
So
if
someone
were
to
request
something
substantially
beyond
that,
it
would
trigger
a
major
variation
that
would
come
to
the
land
use
commission
and
it
would
not
be
done
by
staff.
M
I
have
a
just
a
quick
question.
The
sign
code
that
was
included
in
our
packet
is
an
attachment.
That's
the
current
sign
code,
so
the
the
notion
would
be
that
you
change
all
the
you
know.
There
are
a
couple
of
references
that
refer
to
you
know
another
chapter
in
this
title,
which
obviously
would
be
changed
and.
L
Correct
we
we
would
update
wording
so
that
everything
is
cohesive,
but
but
no
no
policy
changes
other
than
how
we
would
do
variations.
L
L
L
I
I
just
want
to
go
on
the
record
of
being
a
little
disturbed
by
the
idea
of
eliminating
dapper.
I
think
they
provide
a
service
that
we
don't
address
here
and
it
should
be
communicated
to
the
council.
I
think
so
for
what
it's
worth.
M
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
it's
very
important
and
you
know
going
back
to
you
know
several
comprehensive
plans.
It's
it's
a
it's
an
important
function
that
has
been
kind
of
a
goal
for
this
community
for
many
years.
M
So
I
think
that
that
you
know
the
comprehensive
plan
is
fairly
clear,
that
that
some
sort
of
staff-
you
know,
I
think,
back
in
the
in
2000,
there's
a
site
plan
and
appearance
review
committee,
so
it
had
a
different
name,
but
the
function
has
been
a
community
goal
since
at
least
1986
comprehensive
plan.
I
L
All
very
good
points,
and
we
will
make
sure
to
pass
that
that,
along
regarding
the
referral
and
and
to
all
of
your
points,
yes,
there
are
functions
that
dapper
currently
does.
That
would
have
to
be
absorbed
in
some
other
fashion.
Staff
is
currently
looking
into
that.
L
That
is
the
next
part
if,
if
everyone's
okay
with
the
first
sign
part
I'll,
I'm
happy
to
jump
into
that,
so
so
the
second
part
of
the
sign
code
change-
and
this
stems
from
a
referral
that
the
commission
has
did
discuss
two
meetings
back,
I
believe
as
a
discussion
item.
L
But
we
have
a
referral
to
regulate
billboards
throughout
the
city.
So
staff
has
proposed
a
regulation
where
it
would
be
a
special
use,
and
that
way
the
final
determination
is
up
to
city
council
staff
does
request
just
because
we
have
seven
text
amendments
here
and
we're
trying
to
to
get
things
moving
forward,
that
if
there's
significant
concern
over
billboards
that
you
either
pull
it
for
a
separate
discussion
or
just
basically
don't
go
into
hours
of
questioning
and
holding
everything
because
of
it
that
that's
our
request
really.
A
M
Yes,
I
do
have
a
big
problem
with
with
billboards.
I
was
looking
at
in
the
chapter
13
of
the
comprehensive
plan
on
communities,
design
and
landscaping.
M
There's
an
explicit
policy
that
says
to
eliminate
billboard
advertisements
so
right
off
the
bat
trying
to
regulate
or
include
or
allow
billboards
violates,
you
know,
does
not
meet
the
you
know
the
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
M
I
think
it
also
is
problematic
in
that
you
know
if,
if
you
look
at
the
purpose
of
sign
controls
and
regulations
which
is
to
you
know,
reduce
visual
clutter,
but
while
still
allowing
businesses
to
advertise,
one
of
the
the
big
issues
is
safety.
M
I
spent
yesterday
afternoon,
you
know
driving
around
looking
for
billboards
and
the
only
four
that
I
found
are
along
green
bay,
road
between
emerson
and,
I
believe,
simpson,
and
then
you
know
I
drove
down
howard
street.
There
are
a
couple
on
the
chicago
side,
but
the
problem
is
that
driving
on
evanston
streets,
as
we
all
know,
you
have
to
be
careful,
you
have
to
pay
attention
you
need
to.
M
You
know
you
don't
want
to
have
distracted
drivers
that
are
reading
the
billboard
when
they
should
be
watching
for
pedestrians,
and
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
a
civic
you
know
a
city
liability
issue.
There
would
be,
if
you
know,
god
forbid,
some
driver
hits
a
pedestrian
where
they're
busy
reading
the
the
billboard
advertisement.
M
You
know
I.
I
would
think
that
we
would
not
want
as
a
city
to
create
an
attractive
nuisance.
For
starters,
the
other
issue
is,
you
know,
the
notion
of
you
know
not
adversely
impacting
adjacent
property
owners,
and
you
know
again
the
the
you
know
the
business
signage
regulations
are
designed
to
allow.
You
know
businesses
to
have
appropriate
signage,
but
not
anything.
That's
so
out
of
scale
that
it's
going
to
block.
M
You
know
the
business
next
door
and
I
think
that
a
billboard,
you
know
you
run
the
risk
of
of
doing
that,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
looking
to
enrich
one
property
owner
at
the
expense
of
adjacent
neighbors.
So,
for
those
reasons
you
know,
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
you
know
to
include
in
this
particular
amendment.
I
could
you
know.
M
I
would
not
support
it
on
on
that
basis,
and
I
think
that,
frankly,
a
discussion
as
to
you
know
with
maybe
you
know
some
sort
of
discussion
with
the
the
city
council
so
that
this
can
be
a
more
robust
discussion
would
be
appropriate.
I
K
I
I
agree
with
what
my
colleagues
have
said
here.
I
am
just
a
question.
Maybe
for
you,
mr
chair,
is
it
more
appropriate
to
kind
of
procedurally
appropriate
to
remove
the
billboards
from
the
omnibus
text
amendment
or
to
have
a
discussion
about?
Perhaps
in
the
text
amendment
define
a
billboard
and
then
say
these
shall
not
be
allowed?
K
A
I
I
have.
I
have
some
issues
and
just
so
everyone
knows
I
mean
I
work
in
marketing
and
advertising.
I've
made
more
billboards
than
you've,
probably
read,
but
I
I
don't
think
evanston
is
a
place
that
is
an
appropriate
place
for
them.
There
would
be
very
few
locations
and
I
can
only
imagine
the
outcry
from
central
street
and
I'm
gonna
pick
on
central
street
for
a
moment
when
somebody
decides
to
put
up,
they
want
a
billboard
up
on
central
street.
N
M
Given
pedestrian
safety,
I
think
that
that
billboards
are
just
a
really
bad
idea
for
evanston.
It.
I
A
Chef
wanted
to
get
in
here.
E
L
A
I
I
think
that
is
what
most
of
us
are
probably
thinking
about,
because
there's
very
few
locations
where
you
could
have
a
freestanding
billboard.
I
think
the
four
that
exists
are
in
the
four
locations
that
that
you
could
probably
have.
I
mean
something
like
that
along
the
railroad
track,
or
something
like
that
everywhere
else.
It
would
have
to
be
mounted
on
a
building
in
some
way,
whether
it's
on
the
roof
of
the
building
on
the
side
of
the
building,
or
something
like
that.
A
I
mean
certain
businesses
do
have
as
part
of
their
signage.
What
I
would
consider
almost
to
be
a
billboard
based
on
the
size
of
it,
that's
attached
to
the
side
of
their
building,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
we're
not
discussing
here.
That
you
know
is
is
not
that
you
can't
put
the
name
of
your
building
on
the
side
in
a
large
sign
that
that
falls
under
the
signage
that
doesn't
fall
under
billboards,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
is
what
my
understanding
is.
A
The
billboard
definition
we
received
is
kind
of
the
at
locations
other
than
your
place
of
business.
So
I
think
that's
that's
the
line
there
that
we
allow
some
of
that
stuff
to
happen,
but
it's
not
a
true
billboard.
It's
a
sign
identifying
the
business
that
is
located
at
that
location.
I'm
commissioner,
westerberg.
J
A
We
can
pull
billboards
out,
which
is
going
to
be
my
recommendation
that
we
pull
that
out.
I
think
we've
kind
of
given
our
reasons
for
why
we
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
commissioner
lindwell
I've.
M
Got
one
other
and
it
really
kind
of
comes
down
to
the
content
of
what's
on
the
billboard,
because
right
now
you've
got
a
sign
and
it
relates
somehow
to
the
the
business
and
and
whatever
you
know,
there's
no
definition
in
here
as
to
how
big
this
billboard
could
be
and
and
that
would
have
to
be
part
of
any
regulation
discussion.
M
The
other
big
issue
is
is
content
of
the
message,
because
in
regulating
the
billboard
it's
got
to
be
content
neutral
and
you
can't
you
know
unless
it's
obscene
or
pornographic,
you
can't
regulate,
have
no
control
over
what
the
the
message
is
going
to
be
on
the
roof
for
a
wall
or
whatever,
whereas
in
you
know,
in
terms
of
business
I
mean
you
can't
regulate
the
content
either.
M
M
B
M
That
that
and
I'm
sure
that
there
are
some
some
messages
that
might
find
its
way
onto
a
billboard
that
you
know
nearby
resident
residents
generally,
who
drive
by,
might
find
objectionable
and
that
can't
be
regulated
if
they're
allowed.
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
on.
I
think
we've
got
the
notes
that
city
council
knows
on
kind
of
where
we
stand
on
billboards
through
our
last
discussion
and
this
one.
L
L
It's
honestly
not
very
logical
to
have
it
in
the
building
ordinance.
It
could
potentially
go
into
the
public
works
section
since
it
has
to
do
with
streets,
but
it
doesn't
have
a
lot
to
do
with
buildings.
It
has
everything
to
do
with
zoning
and
the
process
for
subdivisions
are
handled
by
all
of
the
zoning
staff,
and
if
variations
are
necessary,
then
it
runs
through
the
land
use
commission.
So,
for
all
of
those
reasons
together,
we
suggest
move
it
into
the
zoning
ordinance
and
then
codify
the
process
that
that
we
follow.
L
L
L
L
However,
if
you
read
through
the
six
standards
proposed,
you'll
recognize
a
lot
of
the
wording.
We
did
pull
them
from
other
existing
standards
potentially
changed
a
few
words
to
make
it
mesh
better
with
planned
developments,
but
it
generally
follows
the
same
logic
and
thought
as
other
other
standards
that
already
exist.
A
A
The
one
question
I
have
is
standard
number
six,
which
mentions
that
the
public
benefits
are
appropriate
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
the
city
as
a
whole.
Is
there
any
confusion
as
to
the
fact
that
my
understanding
of
public
benefits
is
that
they
must
be
nearby
as
opposed
to
you
know?
Oh
I'm
doing
something
up
on
central
street
and
I'm
going
to
meet
a
standard
by
doing
something
on
howard
street.
L
L
This
is
a
standard
that
was
pulled
from
major
variations
where
it's
an
alternate
standard,
and
I
I
had
those
same
thoughts
that
you
did
but
ultimately
left
the
wording
like
that,
because
there
are
certain
things
that
do
benefit
the
entire
city.
So,
for
instance,
a
plan
development
comes
forward
and
they
have
on-site,
affordable,
housing
that
on-site,
affordable
housing
benefits,
everyone
that
can
be
considered
a
benefit
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
A
A
M
Yes,
I
again
a
question
on
the
public
benefits.
I
think
in
a
lot
of
the
plan.
Developments
that
we've
been
through
public
benefits
are
really
listed,
but
you
know
the
the
city
council
seems
to
have
reserved
the
right
to
negotiate
or
deal
with
the
public
benefits,
so
that
really
when
the
commission
is,
is
looking
at
those
approvals.
That's
not
really
something
we've
been
able
to
look
at
so
does
this
change
with
this,
or
does
it
not.
L
No
you're
you're
correct
it.
The
specific
public
benefits
and
the
negotiations
of
them
are
not
the
purview
of
the
land
use
commission,
but
it
is
still
something
that
you
as
a
group
need
to
be
aware
of
when
a
project
comes
forward
and
and
know
that
the
general
overall
are
is
staff
continuing
to
work
on
these
public
benefits
that
are
ultimately
up
to
city
council.
So
the
standard
is
not
intended
that
you
go
through
every
listed
public
benefit
and
and
talk
about
them,
it's
more
generally
speaking.
D
I
I
add
something
to
that
because
I
think
it
relates,
I
think
number
one
and
the
building
potential
phrase
is
sort
of
in
conflict
with
number
four,
when
you're
asking
about
a
hardship
because
developers
come
in
here,
it's
it's
about
billable
potential.
That's
really
it's
not
about
hardship,
and
so
I
have
a
real
problem
with
with
number
four
about
suffering,
a
particular
hardship,
because
I
don't
think
anybody
really
suffers
a
hardship
that
comes
in
here
and
and
suggests
the
plan,
development
and
then
and
then
there's
the
phrase
buildable
potential.
A
I
would
just
say
that
in
in
number
four,
I
think
we
do
play
some
hardships
with
our
stupid,
ziggurat
and
I'll
say
stupid
ziggurat,
because
that
is
that
is,
and
that
makes
the
ziggurat
is
not
buildable
in
most
of
the
locations
that
we
have.
That's
true.
So
that's
just
one
that
comes
to
the
top
of
my
mind
in
terms
of
number
one.
A
We
we
have
the
phrase,
substantial
adverse
impact,
which
is
one
that
we've
always
kind
of
been
able
to
fudge
a
little
bit,
because
what
is
substantial,
any
development,
whether
you're
putting
a
garage,
a
fence
or
a
20-story
building,
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
location.
But
what
is
that
substantial
impact?
A
And
I
think
that
with
number
one
and-
and
maybe
the
wording
isn't
quite
right,
but
I
get
the
idea
of
not
necessarily
just
maxing
out
everything.
I
I
I
I
understand
adverse
impact,
but
I'm
not
sure
given
the
buildable
potential,
but
that
that
makes
it
more
vague
to
me.
M
Well,
you
know,
we've
got
the
you
know
in
the
plan.
Developments
you
you've
in
especially
the
downtown
districts.
There's
the
you
know
the
whatever
the
zoning
requirement
is
and
then
there's
kind
of
the
threshold.
At
which
point
you
need.
You
know
a
larger.
You
know
a
greater
council
majority
or
you
know
there
there's
kind
of
this
window
of
the
base.
Zoning
and
then
there's
this
kind
of
buddy.
But
you
can
you
know
with
a
plan
development.
You
can
go
an
extra
40
feet
or
whatever.
I
I
A
I'll
just
say,
as
the
person
who
usually
has
to
go
through
the
standards,
I
think
one
in
four
are
different
and
I
don't
think
that
something
that
I
could
say
does
or
does
not
meet
number
four
necessarily
would
even
be
addressed
in
number
one.
I'm
not
saying
necessarily
those
are
the
right
words
for
it,
but
there
has
to
be
something
for
the
practical
application
of
it
in
the
real
world.
A
You
know
what
we
do
so
often
is
we
create
a
zoning
ordinance
or
a
zoning
code
that
makes
something
legal
in
theory,
but
in
practicality
it
doesn't
exist
anywhere
that
can
be
built
that
way,
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
substantial
adverse
impact.
I
think
that's
that's
different
in
terms
of
of
how
the
how
the
building
or
how
the
structure,
whatever
the
proposed
plan
development
is.
J
Yeah,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
way
one
and
four
are
worded,
and
I
recognize
there's
ambiguity
and
even
a
little
more
ambiguity
than
in
other
parts
of
the
variations.
But
I
think
that
only
underscores
the
the
point,
which
is
us
coming
together
and
exercising
judgment
as
a
group
to
make
that
decision
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
bother
me
as
they're
currently
worded.
I
On
number,
four
is
just
that
I
to
me
it's.
I
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
you
know
I
want
to
vote
for
the
project,
and
yet
I
can't
I
don't
agree
with
that.
They
have
a
hardship,
you
know
somehow.
Maybe
it
can
be
combined
with
number
one
or
something
or
reworded
so
that
it's.
I
understand
that
there
there
are
situations
where
there
is
a
hardship,
but
there
isn't
always
a
hardship
right.
M
I
Would
that
be
considered
a
hardship
you're
right,
though
the
the
pro-forma
doesn't
work.
I
If
part
of
it
well,
it's
trying
to
understand
if
that
okay,
you're
right,
I
thought
about
that,
is
that
a
hardship,
if
that's
a
hardship
that
their
pro
forma
doesn't
work.
But
I
could
tell
you
that
people
that
come
to
us,
that
you
know
in
ma
and
mass
that
are
against
a
project
would
not
think
that
that
is
a
hardship.
I
D
Mean
the
other
issue
is
that
pro
formas
are
meant
to
be
revised
and
reworked
constantly.
So
that's
my
concern
is
that
if
we
say
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty,
there
are
always
hardships
or
difficulties
with
developing
a
parcel,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
should
be
looking
out
necessarily
to
protect
a
property
owner
from
that.
So
that's
why
I
have
the
problem
with
this
one.
A
Is
there
is
there
a
way
that
we
might
be
able
to
modify
for
in
our
in
our
major
variations?
We
have
standard
number
five,
which
specifically
states
that
it's
not
developed
on
the
on
the
intent
to
make
additional
income
unless
there
is
a
public
benefit.
A
So
is
that
something
that
that
maybe
we
look
at
tweaking
this
particular
hardship?
One
to
say
that
you
know
to
include
something
along
those
lines
that
that
the
public
benefits
that
are
being
generated
by
a
planned
development
offset
any
hardship
that
they
may
have.
A
A
For
general
comments
back
to
you
to
avoid
any
conflict
in
the
open
meetings,
act
and-
and
that
way
we
can
sort
of
address
it,
because
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
hold
this
up
because
right
now
I
know
we
have
several
plan
developments
coming
down.
The
pike
and
going
through
standards
is
really
a
struggle
because
there
aren't
standards.
It's
like
this
is
a
you
know.
We
want
you
to
build
a
good
project.
We
want
you
to
make
things
nice.
We
want
you
to
do
things
that
are
good.
A
I
So
to
that
point-
and
I
made
this
point
before-
and
it
was
didn't-
go
anywhere,
but
there
was
a
letter
that
we
got
just
today
from
someone
addressing
a
couple
of
these
things,
and
I
think
one
of
the
points
that
that
letter
made
was
that
the
when
you
talk
about
public
vet
benefits
even
appropriate
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
That
is
so
vague
and
there
are
there
chicago,
for
example,
is
it
went
through
all
of
that
and
then
they
came
down
and
are
and
are
very
specific
about.
I
You
know
you
you
want
this,
you
pay
for
this,
you
it's
it's
very,
it's
very
straightforward
and
I
think
that's
more
specific
is
a
better
way
to
go
generally
and
especially
on
the
public
benefits
point.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
anybody
that
agrees
with
me,
except
for
that
guy
that
wrote
the
letter,
but.
I
A
M
Yes,
I
have
a
suggestion,
since
you
know.
Obviously
I
think
we
all
agree
that
that
having
some
standards
for
planned
development
would
be
helpful,
and
I
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
go
ahead
with
you
know
this
set
and
with
the
reserving
the
option
for
the
next
time,
there's
a
an
omnibus
text
amendment
that
we
you
know
we
will
have
a
little
bit
of
time
to
see
if
they
work
or
if
they
need
to
be
tweaked,
and
we
could
kind
of
tweak
them
for
the
you
know
the
next
time
we
do.
M
L
Would
it
help
if
it
said
beyond
a
reasonable
expectation,
given
the
build
buildable
potential
of
the
plan,
development
and
eligible
site
development
allowances,
because
that
that
is
what
the
intent
of
the
the
buildable
potential
meant?
It
is
right.
D
D
M
A
Think
I
think
we
keep
four
as
is
and
see
how
it
goes.
I
mean
all
of
our
standards
are
vague
and
intentionally
so
so
I
think
that
we
just
kind
of
have
to
to
look
at
what
comes
to
us
and
make
our
determinations
based
on
that.
L
A
I'm
fine
doing
that,
and
I
I
would.
I
would
say
that
that
when
we
look
at
tweaking
that
in
some
way
in
the
future
that
we
really
look
at
standard
five
and
see
in
our
major
variations
and
see
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
speak
to
that
that
what
they're
requesting
is
a
an
appropriate
offset
with
public
benefits.
A
I
mean
we
kind
of
do
that.
I
guess
in
six,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
really
need
to
have
it
in
four
again,
but
let's
let's
so
so,
let's,
let's
move
forward
tonight
with
the
following
changes
adjoining
properties
that
is
number
one
adjoining
properties
that
is
beyond
a
reasonable
expectation.
Given
the
scope
of
reasonable
sight
allowance.
I
don't
remember
how
you
worded
that.
L
A
Number
five
as
an
extent
and
as
it
stands,
is
kind
of
dealing
with
number
eight
in
our
existing
special
uses.
One
is
talking
about
preserving
but
one's
talking
about
future,
but
we
don't
know
future.
L
It
it
was
intended
to
relate
to
the
city's
carp
goals
and
and
if
we
change
from
carp
to
calling
it
something
in
the
future,
but
so
that
we
can
further
push
for
things
like
electric
vehicle
ready.
A
One
is
talking
about
preserving
things
that
exist
now
and
that's
in
our
special
use,
nine
standards
and
then
in
these
standards
we
would
talk
about
the
current
and
future
carp
or
whatever.
We
decide
to
call
it
in
the
future,
so
that
we
really
are
addressing
two
different
things
and
there's
no
debate
about
that.
A
A
So
I
would
say
to
make
that
climate
and
if
you
need
to
speak
with
our,
I
don't
remember
if
his
title
is
exactly
climate
coordinator,
director,
sustainability,
okay
and
maybe
that's
that's
the
word
climate
and
sustainability
or
something,
but
I
leave
that
up
to
you
to
figure
out
those
exact
words
to
make
the
intention
clear.
I'm
not
gonna
hold
something
up
on
one
word:
okay,
so
then,
moving
on
to
the
next
one
number,
six.
L
Number
six
update
requirements
and
procedures
for
plan
developments,
including
neighborhood
meetings
and
pre-application
steps
to
current
practices.
So
currently
the
zoning
ordinance
somewhat
states
what
the
plan
development
process
is.
It
lists
some
steps,
but
not
all
steps
and
some
of
the
steps
that
it
lists
are
not
steps
that
we
currently
do,
nor
that
we
have
done
for
a
number
of
years,
so
staff
proposes
to
just
codify
the
way
that
we
we
currently
do.
L
The
process
which
the
the
real
changes
are
that
it
now
include
generally
includes
a
neighborhood
meeting
that
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
council
member.
But
usually
that
happens
so
we
would
like
that
to
be
within
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
developers
are
more
aware
of
that
and
currently
we
say
that
there
is
a
pre-application
conference.
L
That
really
is
the
dapper
review
and
it's
not
pre-application.
They
have
to
submit
their
application
to
get
to
that
step.
So
it
shouldn't
be
called
that
so
just
clarifying
that
and
and
then
listing
out
the
other
steps
that
are
are
not
currently
listed
within
the
zoning
ordinance,
but
that
are
required
for
the
project
to
proceed.
M
L
Number
seven
add
automobile
body
repair
establishment
as
an
eligible
special
use
in
the
I
one
industrial
slash
office
district.
This
is
a
a
code
and
policy
change.
It
is
a
little
bit
strange
that
we
do
not
allow
auto
body
repair
in
the
i1
district.
Currently
we
do
allow
it
in
in
in
other
districts
that
are
less
intense
and
so
what
what
we've
come
across
is
there
are
automobile
repair
shops
that
are
in
the
I-1
district,
who
do
the
their
general
say
motor
repairs,
and
then
they
either
can't
do
any
body
repair.
A
If
you're
doing
body
work
you
aren't
creating
as
much
in
terms
of
toxic
issues
that
you
would
if
you
are
dealing
with
oils
and
fluids
and
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
I
think
this
is
just
probably
an
oversight,
and
I
would
say
that
most
people
probably
doing
it
illegally,
are
doing
it
illegally
because
they
don't
know
that
they
can't
do
that.
You
know
when
you
go
to
an
auto
shop.
L
It's
lost
history.
My
assumption
is
that
it
has
to
do
with
painting
of
vehicles,
because
if
you
do
paint
them,
you
have
to
have
a
spray
booth
and
special
exhaust,
or
there
can
be
fumes.
L
A
I
think
it
also
makes
sense,
because
somebody
then
could
come
to
us
with
the
repair
service
establishment
and
the
body
repair
as
one
thing,
so
it
really
could
be
one
application
for
all
of
that,
if
that's,
indeed
what
they
intend
to
do,
I
don't
think
there's
a
lot
of
places
to
do
bodywork
without
doing
something
else
that
would
fall
under
the
service.
L
Additionally,
we
are
slowly
on
track
to
zoning.
These
uses
out
at
the
rate
we're
going
because
we
over
time
evanston
has
lost
its
some
of
its
industrial
properties,
a
significant
amount
of
its
industrial
properties
and
industrial
zoning,
and
every
time
we
lose
that
that's
that's
less
locations
that
these
auto
uses
can
go,
but
people
still
need
these
auto
uses.
So
if
we're
going
to
change
the
amount
of
properties
in
the
districts,
then
we
also
need
to
recognize
that
we
need
to
loosen
up
regulations
in
some
instances.
H
A
Places
to
go
within
the
city
of
evanston-
that's
my
personal
comment
on
that,
so
that
we
can
have
a
few
of
these
businesses
that
can
only
exist
in
industrial
districts,
continue
to
exist
in
evanston
and
not
be
zoned
entirely
out,
because
they
will
go
to
skokie.
They
will
go
to
lincolnwood,
they
will
go
to
chicago
wherever.
L
A
So
on
this,
I
think
the
general
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
reiterate
in
ms
klotz.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
help
me
make
sure
you
were
taking
better
notes
than
I
was.
It
appears
that
one
and
two
nobody
has
any
issues
with
number
three.
No
one
has
an
issue
with
moving
the
sign
code.
The
issue
appears
to
be
with
billboards
in
particular,
so
we
would
strike
and
remove
the
billboard
mentions
in
in
number
three
and
we'll
pull
those
out
for
a
separate
consideration.
A
Number
four.
I
didn't
hear
anything
in
particular
on
that
number
five.
There
were
two
minor
changes,
one
being
to
propose
actually
three
one
being
to
number
one
that
instead
of
saying
buildable
potential
that
we
make
that
and
again
your
wording.
Please
sight
allowances
applicable.
A
Number
four:
we
will
strike
from
the
standards
five
and
six
will
advance
to
four
and
five
and
then
the
new
number
four
instead
of
saying
environmental
would
say,
climate
and
sustainability
or
whatever
other
words
our
sustainability
officer
feels-
would
be
appropriate
so
that
there's
a
distinction
between
that
and
the
standard
in
special
uses,
which
mentions
environmental
issues
number
six.
I
didn't
hear
anything
on
and
number
seven.
I
think
we're
fine
as
well.
Is
that
correct
from
everybody?
A
So
I
guess
we
do
have
some
standards.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
these
standards
came
from
or
anything
else,
but
again
something
else.
We
don't
really
have
standards
on
so
we
kind.
A
Yeah
yeah,
but
but
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
hard
to
create
something
for
for
everything
here,
but
I
will
do
my
best
here,
so
the
standards
for
approval
for
text
amendments
in
section
six,
three,
four,
five
number
one:
the
proposed
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
that
the
comprehensive
general
plan
is
adopted
and
amended
from
time
to
time
by
city
council.
A
I
think
that
we've
had
multiple
discussions
on
all
of
these
things.
Some
of
these
things
we
have
to
do
just
because
it's
it's
general
housekeeping,
but
some
of
the
other
things
are
things
that
have
come
to
us
because
of
of
comments
from
city
council
and
also
the
the
fact
that
we
just
need
to
clear
up
some
of
our
processes
so
that,
when
things
do
move
through
developers
are
not
blindsided
by
this
board
or
by
city
council,
because
expectations
are
not
laid
out
for
them.
A
You
know
some
of
these
were
talking
about
text
changes
just
merely
for
clearing
cleaning
up
language,
but
some
of
the
other
things
that
we've
talked
about
are
again
just
kind
of
kind
of
outlining
expectations.
A
When
people
come
before
this
board
and
again
kind
of
reiterating
what
what
commissioner
lindwell
said
number
number,
the
the
billboard
use
is
one
of
those
things
that
does
not
really
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
our
neighborhoods
in
our
city.
We
we
feel
number
three.
The
proposed
amendment
has
an
adverse.
I
will
have
an
adverse
effect
on.
A
I'm
assuming
that's
supposed
to
be
will
not
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
value
of
adjacent
properties
as
opposed
to
having
an
adverse
impact,
and
so
again
the
ones
that
are
just
purely
text.
Language
stuff
are
are
not
really
covered
under
this,
but
the
rest
of
them
again.
It
is
kind
of
setting
that
that
expectation
and
transparency
to
developers
and
to
the
community
and
to
city
council.
A
So
when
things
do
move
through
everybody's
aware
that
we're
on
the
same
page,
so
that
standard
is
met
as
well
and
number
four,
the
adequacy
of
public
facilities
and
services
again,
this
is
kind
of
a
weird
one
for
this
particular
issue,
because
things
that
are
that
are
that
are
language:
don't
really
have
properties
associated
with
them,
as
do
none
of
the
process,
the
sort
of
things,
but
I
think
that
that
what
we
have
covered
on
these
standards
are
met
with
that,
and
is
there
anything
else
that
anybody
wanted
to
add
before
we
get
a
motion?
A
It's
been
moved
by
commissioner
protel.
Is
there
a
second
well
second
seconded
by
commissioner
westerberg,
any
further
discussion
hearing?
None!
Would
you
please
call
the
role.
A
Yes,
with
a
vote
of
7-0,
the
omnibus
does
move
forward.
A
So
at
this
time
now
I'm
going
to
ask
for
us
to
make
a
a
recommendation
that
billboards
not
be
permitted
and
included
in
anything,
since
that
is
the
feeling
of
this
board
again,
remembering
that
we
are
merely
recommending
and
city
council
can
add
billboards
backing
if
they
so
choose,
but
we
have
at
least
expressed
our
concerns
and
the
issues
we
see
with
it.
So
is
there
a
motion
to.
M
I
I'll
make
a
motion
to
prohibit
to
continue
to
prohibit
billboards
within
the
city
of
evanston
and
in
communicating
that
I
would
hope
that
staff
will
provide
council
with
a
list
of
the
reasons
for
our
discussion.
You
know
related
to
the
reasons
why
we
think
it's
inappropriate,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
and
also
you
know
I
would
also
further
like
to
well.
I
think,
that'll
be
my
motion.
A
I
will
just
say
that
I
think
this
is
something
that
city
council
would
benefit
if,
if
all
the
members
of
the
sport
wanted
to
write
a
quick
little
note
to
our
city
council
members
and
sort
of
express
our
opinions,
that
is
something
that
we
are
able
to
do
and
when
that
does
come
up,
I
will
try
to
make
a
point
of
coming
before
p
and
d
and
expressing
the
concerns
of
this
board.
But
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
also
share
their
thoughts
with
their
individual
representatives
on
city
council.
M
Alternately,
I'd
also
like
to
suggest
that
maybe
that
this
is
a
subject
where
well
one.
We
should
have
a
discussion
with
city,
council
and
and
the
commission
to
discuss
this
further.
If,
since
this
is,
you
know
we're
dealing
with
a
specific
policy
recommendation
in
the
comprehensive
plan
to
eliminate
billboard
advertising
an
appropriate
time
to
consider
this
is
during
the
the
update
of
the
comprehensive
plan
you
know
this
is
this:
is
a
city
policy.
M
It's
been
in
place
since
the
2000
comprehensive
plan,
and
this
really
is
a
policy
change
that
affects
the
city
as
a
whole
and
land
use
and
and
probably
ought
not
to
be
made
solely
by
the
you
know,
the
city
council,
or
even
this
commission.
It's
it's
a
community-wide
issue,
so
I
think
that
that
expressing
you
know
the
the
fact
that
this
is
current
city
policy
and
the
you
know
the
comprehensive
plan
update
is
an
appropriate
place
to
consider
it.
A
All
right
hearing,
no
other
discussion.
I
will
ask
for
a
roll
call
vote
on
denying
our.
A
That's
the
word
I
couldn't
think
of
the
word
prohibited
billboards
from
continuing
to
prohibit
billboards
from
existing
in
the
city
of
evanston.
Would
you
call
the
role
please.
E
A
Yes,
so
with
a
vote
of
7-0,
we
voice
our
our
opinion
that
billboards
should
not
be
permitted
within
the
city
of
evanston.
That
concludes
the
business
that
we
have
for
us
tonight.
Communications.
The
staff
have
anything
they
would
like
to
communicate
with
us.
A
A
A
Please
just
reach
out
to
me,
and-
and
I
will
do
that
again
on
roughly
a
quarterly
basis,
and
I
will
bring
that
up
when
I
have
my
next
meeting
scheduled
again
just
so,
people
can
do
that.
Also
I'm
trying
to
decide
how
to
address
this
one
we
have
we.
I
I've
gotten
mentions
to
me
from
the
city
manager's
office
to
to
watch
our
decorum
on
our
board.
The
issues
that
were
brought
up,
I
feel,
were
non-issues,
one
of
which
was
a
zoom
issue.
A
The
rest
of
them
were
issues
that
I
think
this
board
runs
very
well
and
very
effectively,
and
so
I
told
the
director
of
community
development
that
I
would
take
the
issues
as
they
were
presented
and
grant
them
the
appropriate
weight
and
that
appropriate
weight
is
mentioning
it
to
you
without
any
specifics,
because
I
don't
think
there's
anything
that
needs
to
be
addressed
so
that
now
has
been
handled.
So
now
we
will
move
on
to
public
comment.
I
saw
a
couple
hands.
I
saw
a
couple
hands
go
up
there.
A
I
think
miss
lolbeck
lowbach.
I
never
get
it
quite
right.
If
you'd
like
to
step
up
to
the
lectern,
please
and
introduce
yourself
sure.
N
I'm
sue
lolbach.
I
work
at
connections
for
the
homeless
and
I
run
our
program,
which
does
advocacy
for
affordable
housing.
It's
called
joining
forces
for
affordable
housing
and
one
of
the
things
we've
been
talking
about
in
our
program
is
zoning
at
some
length
and
just
as
in
budget
discussions
in
front
of
the
city,
we've
been
hearing
that
the
budget
is
a
moral
document.
N
The
standards
of
approval,
not
just
for
planned
development
but
for
all
of
the
other
types
of
decisions
you
have
to
make
are
very
much
focused
on
property
values,
the
character
of
the
community.
Things
like
that.
They
are
not
very
much
focused
on
the
economic
well-being
of
all
of
the
residents
of
making
sure
that
all
the
residents
have
a
place
to
live,
that
there
is
equity
across
the
community.
N
One
of
the
things
that
joining
forces
is
doing
is
a
study
of
the
zoning
code
from
a
perspective
of
racial
equity
and
other
types
of
equity,
as
well
as
from
a
perspective
of
housing,
affordability,
and
so
we've
already
had
a
technical
review
done.
We're
now
going
to
be
embarking
on
community
conversations,
and
so
I'll
send
a
note
to
ms
jones
and
ask
her
to
share
that
with
all
of
you.
You
would
all
be
invited
to
participate
in
and
listen
to
the
comments
from
the
community.
N
We're
really
going
to
be
talking
about
what
are
the
the
values
behind
the
zoning
decisions
that
the
city
makes.
What
are
the
trade-offs
when
a
zoning
decision
is
made
and
who
is
impacted
by
those
decisions
in
positive
ways
and
in
negative
ways
and
we're
hoping
that
the
results
of
this
can
be
some
feedback?
This
podium
moves
whoa.
This
could
be
some
feedback
that
could
be
used
during
this.
N
I
Much,
I
think
your
timing
is
very
good
because
we're
embarking
on
this
new
comprehensive
plan
and
I
what
you're
saying
definitely
is
part
of
the
thinking
or
should
be
part
of
the
thinking,
and
so
timing
is
perfect
and
and
your
your
group
should
be.
I
A
Thank
you.
I
noticed
another
gentleman
in
the
back
there
who
I
believe
I
had
your
name
and
I
have
lost
it
if
you
could
repeat
that
again
just
at
the
microphone,
so
it's
picked
up
sure.
O
Fourth,
ward,
resident
crystallo,
and
so
ironically,
coming
on
the
heels
of
susan's
conversation
very
much
support
everything
that
she
just
said.
As
far
as
our
zoning
is
concerned,
but
right
now
we
have,
we
have
a
pretty
large
gap
in
what
we're
seeing
right
now
on
the
ground.
So
I'm
referring
to
the
margarita
inn
the
homeless,
shelter.
That's
currently
running
right
there
recently,
as
you
know,
you
may
be
aware
they're
taking
a
pause
in
applying
for
their
zoning
regulation,
and
you
know
they
want
to
go
out
public
outreach.
O
The
city
wants
to
do
a
little
homework
which
is
spot
on.
You
know,
obviously,
that's
exactly
what
we
need
to
do
the
issue
and
the
reason
that
I'm
here
and
talking
to
this
group
is
right.
Now
we
have
a
unregulated
out
of
compliance
homeless,
shelter
with
way
more
people
than
in
the
threshold
of
any
of
our.
You
know:
special
use
transitional
housing.
O
It
is
within
500
feet
of
several
schools.
It's
within
a
thousand
feet
of
several
like
facilities,
so
basically
it
is
running
outside
of
any
regulations
that
we're
trying
to
apply
here.
So,
at
the
same
time,
you
know
there
is
no
guidance
on
when
they're
going
to
apply,
and
I
guess
what
I
don't
understand
about
that
is
the
city
of
evanston
seems
to
be
the
ones
that
should
be
able
to
say
you
need
to
be
in
compliance
of
some
sort.
Not
just
come
back
to
us
when
you're
ready
to
apply
is
it
stands
right
now.
O
You
know
I
live
very.
You
know
fairly
close
to
that.
What
we're
seeing
on
the
ground
is
270,
police
and
fire
calls
in
the
last
two
years-
and
these
are
you
know,
some
of
them
are
just
safety
calls,
but
that's
still
the
use
of
our
police
department
and
our
fire.
You
know
there
was
an
aggravated
assault
by
a
resident.
Last
week,
there's
been
deaths,
there's
been
drug
overdose.
There's
battery
all
these
things
are
happening
on
the
inside
of
that
building.
O
That's
not
necessarily,
I
mean
it's
a
cause
for
concern
for
the
folks
outside
the
building.
There's
also
a
cause
for
the
concern
of
the
folks
inside
that
building.
You
know
for
two
years,
they've
been
running
the
facility
with
insufficient
mental
health
support,
drug
addiction,
support
with
insufficient
security
with
insufficient
rules
and
regulations.
In
fact,
there's
very
few
rules
and
regulations.
Folks
can
go,
they
can
have
alcohol,
they
can
stay
in
the
rooms
for
indefinite
periods
of
time.
It
is
I
hate
to
say
it
was
a
failed
experiment.
O
They
could
they
got
to
do
it
any
way
they
wanted
to
do
it
for
two
years.
Two
years
later,
we
have
an
immense
amount
of
criminality.
So
what
I'm
asking
this
board
for
is
to
look
at
this
situation
and
say:
hey
you're,
operating
something
that's
extremely
impactful
to
your
residents
and
to
the
residents
of
the
community.
You
need
to
come
under
some
sort
of
zoning.
Take
as
much
time
as
you
want
to
apply
for
your
zoning,
but
in
the
meantime
you
have
to
live
by
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
city.
O
You
can't
just
go
free
for
all
continuing
with
this
terrible
track
record
and
you
can
talk
to
chief
addington.
You
can
talk
to
you
know
the
community
officer
there.
It
is
an
immense
amount
of
burden,
and
you
know
resources
that
are
there
and
they
will
tell
you
that
they
do
not
have
the
resources
to
do
it.
So
I'm
just
asking
please,
you
know,
do
something
like
have
the
city
in
some
way
enforce
something
that
could
turn
this
ship
around.
In
the
meantime,.
A
O
A
A
We
can
engage
during
the
application
process,
which
I
understand,
there's
a
couple
steps
that
are
moving
at
different
space
at
different
times
in
that
process.
But
we
really
can't
intervene
in
any
way
and
direct
city
staff
to
engage
develop.
You
know,
and
enforcement.
O
May
ask
a
question:
yes,
all
right.
Who
would
you
so
you
have
this
situation?
That's
obviously
very
impactful.
There
is
no
zoning
regulations
under
them
like
who?
Who
do
you
report
this
to
like
like
who
do
you
call
to
say,
hey
they're,
not
under
any
zoning
regulations,
and
they
really
should
be
and
they're
really
impacting
my
neighborhood.
A
So
my
recommendation
would
be
that
you
address
this
with
your
alderman,
which
I'm
sure
you
already
have
with
city
council
as
a
whole,
with
the
city
manager's
office,
okay
and
with
the
director
of
community
development.
Those
are
the
people
in
the
immediate
chain
of
command
for
enforcement,
of
any
sort
of
zoning
vari
violations.
A
Is
there
anybody
that
I've
left
out
of
that
in
this
glass?
I
think
that
kind
of
covers
off
on
the
on
the
those
being
the
four
key
entities:
okay
and,
like
I
said
when
we
get
into
when
a
when
a
special
use
has
been
submitted
to
this
board
and
when
I
think
there's
an
appeal
also,
that
is,
is
in
the
process.
A
So
we'll
we'll
we'll
hear
the
appeal
and
we'll
hear
the
special
use
when
those
appear
on
our
agenda,
and
I
encourage
you
to
come
and
speak
on
those
issues
absolutely
at
that
time.
But
that's
when
we
can
be
involved
and
again
with
it
being
a
special
use.
We
will
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
city
council
will
be
the
final
determining
body.
I
I
I'm
surprised
there
aren't
regulations,
but
but
to
facilitate
this,
could
you
do
some
research
on
other
cities
and
what
they
do
and
propose?
Here's
an
example:
a
model
of
of
some
other
cities,
regulations
and.
O
You
should
say
that
so
I
was
just
on
the
phone
with
the
project
manager
in
bellevue
washington,
who
runs
an
amazing
facility
homeless
facility
up
there,
we
talked
in
detail
about
their
zoning
requirements,
their
good,
their
good
neighbor
agreement,
how
that
is
all
structured
and
is
very
integrated,
they're,
not
individual
pieces.
The
good
nate,
the
good
neighbor
agreement
goes
into
the
application.
The
application
then
goes
to
their
land
use.
It
is
all
integrated
into
what
they
must
do
then
after
that,
and
then
I
did
a
deep
dive
into
their
ordinances
for
homeless
services.
O
They
have
an
extraordinary
homeless
services
as
well
as
their
zoning.
In
fact,
I
was
going
to
send
that
to
you
when
I
got
out,
because
it
really
incorporates
equity
into
how
they
zone
their
different
areas
so
yeah,
and
we
we
just.
We
just
went
out
to
the
right
inn
in
oak
park,
which
is
an
exact
which
could
be
an
exact
parallel
in
the
sense
that
it
was
a
boutique
hotel
and
now
it's
a
shelter,
but
it
is
run
completely
differently
with
a
completely
different
vetting
process
and
a
different
homeless
population.
A
I'll
just
say
for
the
record
I'll
mention
this
again.
When
we
get
these
cases,
I
used
to
do
zoning
consulting,
and
I
was
approached
by
some
neighbors
to
the
margarita
inn.
A
I
told
them
that
I
would
not
be
able
to
engage
with
them.
Obviously,
with
the
case
that
this
may
come
come
before
us,
and
the
only
advice
that
I
did
give
them
was
to
consider
what
type
of
conditions
that,
if
this
were
to
move
forward,
they
would
be
they
would
find
acceptable
things
that
they
would
like
to
see
included.
So
that's
that's
my
that's
the
extent
of
my
conversation.
A
A
So
thank
you,
mr
dillon,
for
for
coming
and
speaking
to
us
and
you
will
be
informed
when
those
issues
do
come
before
this
board
and
we
will
conduct
a
full
hearing
on
it
at
that
time.
Excellent.
I
Just
have
a
question
and
maybe
for
commissioner
linwall
what
is.
A
I
Status
of
the
comprehensive
plan
consultant.
C
Somebody
yeah,
we
did
get
some
respondents
from
the
rfp.
We
have
conducted
interviews.
We
are
in
the
stage.
A
Are
we
looking
at
someone
who
will
do
strategic
planning
and
the
comprehensive
general
plan?
All
is
one
or
are
we
looking
at
because
because
I
know
lots
of
firms
kind
of
specialize
in
one
or
the
other.
A
Nothing
else,
if
not,
I
will
ask
if
there's
a
motion
to
adjourn
I'll
move
to
adjourn
westerberg
moves.
Second,
second,.
M
A
By
linwell
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye.
We
do
stand
adjourned.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
april,
27th
and
I'll
see.
You
then.