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A
A
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives.
Depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council
Ms
Jones.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
C
A
With
five
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff.
Our
neighborhood
and
land
use,
planner,
Megan,
Jones,
zoning
administrator
Melissa
klotz
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams
and
assistant
City
attorney
Alex
ruggie.
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
the
agenda
tonight
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
at
any
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
the
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellate
after
that.
Person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
an
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
make
a
formal
finding
a
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
the
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
did
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
corresponding
staff
memo.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
comment
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you're
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
may
be
properly
recorded,
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
I
just
want
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
of
agenda
items
this
evening
is
the
applicant
for
1555
Oak
Avenue
present.
Thank
you.
The
appellant
for
1733
Oakton.
A
Okay,
thank
you
1801
through
1805
Church
in
1708,
1710,
Darrow,
they're
out
in
the
gallery,
I've
heard
and
1811
1815
Church
1708.
What
is
this?
Is
these?
The
correct
addresses,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
because
I
was
like
didn't
read
the
addresses
when
I
looked
through
it
1708
1710
Daryl
is
the
same
applicant
as
the
other
one
with
that
I
am
going
to
make
a
motion
to
start
us
off
before
we
get
into
anything.
A
We
do
have
the
election
of
officers
and
committee
members
this
evening,
which
is
item
number
three
on
the
agenda.
I
would
like
to
move
that
to
the
end
of
the
agenda
so
that
we
can
actually
do
the
business
and
not
have
people
sit
through
our
our
discussions
on
officers
and
meeting
schedule
so
that'd
be
item
three
and
item
four
being
moved
until
after
all
the
new
business,
but
before
the
communications
is
there
a
motion
for
that.
C
A
That's
what
we
will
do,
although
the
first
item
we
do
have
for
for
approval
tonight
is
the
meeting
minutes
from
November
30th
2022..
C
Yes,
I
have
one
on
page
8
of
13
in
the
paragraph
that
starts
Mr
McKenna
made
a
few
final
comments
down
toward
the
bottom
there's
a
sentence,
and
finally,
when
the
fire
department
bought
brought
to
the
attention
of
connections
that
the
basement
should
not
be
used
as
rooms,
it
says
the
activity
increased
and
I
believe
it
should
say
the
activity
ceased.
C
And
then,
then
future
similar
use
of
the
basement
is
not
contemplated.
D
On
page
2
of
13.,
in
the
paragraph
that
begins
with
Sue
laubach
connections,
manager
of
advocacy,
it
mentions
the
status
of
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement.
I
I
think
the
paragraph
should
indicate
that
Ms
lobach
indicated
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement
was
not
going
to
be
done
until
after
the
permit
was
granted,
and
the
status
of
that
agreement
was
considerably
up
in
the
air,
which
is
why
it
kind
of
kept
on
the
kept
on
the
stove.
The
issue
of
the
negative
impact
on
the
community,
so
I
do
believe
that
should
be
added
to
that
paragraph.
A
A
C
A
Any
opposed
with
the
majority
five
votes.
The
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
with
those
edits
have
passed.
A
A
Do
you
swear
to
our
firm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings?
Thank
you
with
that
we
will
move
into
the
agenda
items.
I
will
remind
everyone.
We
do
have
four
items
on
the
agenda
and
some
of
them
could
be
rather
lengthy.
So
please
keep
comments
on
point
and
and
directed
to
the
specific
issues
that
this
commission
will
hear,
which
are
the
land
use.
A
Commission
are
the
land
use
issues
so
with
that
I
will
ask
the
applicant
to
make
his
way
to
the
microphone
for
the
first
case
and
ask
that
it
be
read
into
the
record
by
Miss
klotz.
E
1555
Oak
Avenue,
20,
85,
Camille
halim
property
owner
requested
a
special
use
permit
for
an
apartment
hotel
at
1555,
Oak
Avenue,
commonly
known
as
the
museum
residences
on
Oak
or
the
king
home
in
the
R6
General
residential
district
section
6883.
The
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
section
6358
and
ordinance
92021.
A
Thank
you.
If
you
would
please
state
your.
F
F
By
the
way
with
me
this
evening
is
William
ing
of
wna
Architects
Inc.
In
case
you
have
any
questions
with
respect
to
those
matters.
We
are
here
this
evening
to
request
a
special
use
permit
to
operate
an
apartment
hotel
at
1555,
Oak
Avenue
in
what
is
an
R6
zoning
District.
F
The
property
comprises
one
half
of
a
city
block
and
stretches
from
Oak
Avenue
on
the
west
to
Maple
Avenue
on
the
East
and
borders
Grove
Street
on
the
south.
A
six-story
institutionally
designed
building
currently
sits
on
the
property.
The
property
was
previously
operated
as
an
assisted
living
facility
under
the
name
of
the
king
home
and
was
run
by
Presbyterian
Homes
bch
1555
LLC
purchased
the
property
in
2017
and
the
property
has
remained
vacant
ever
since
bch
1555,
initially
intended
to
operate
an
independent
living
facility,
assisted
living
facility
and
Memory
Care
Center
on
the
site.
F
However,
the
pandemic
made
that
use
economically
unfeasible
unfeasible
and
we
began
to
look
at
for
other
potential
uses.
The
building
currently
has
67
units
those
units
each
have
living
in
sleeping
areas,
bathrooms
and
kitchenettes.
The
kitchenettes
are
currently
without
stoves
and
ovens.
If
a
special
use
permit
is
granted,
we
intend
to
add
stoves
and
ovens
to
all
the
kitchenettes
so
that
all
the
units
will
be
deemed
dwelling
units
within
the
meaning
of
the
zoning
code.
F
F
6-18-3
of
the
zoning
code
defines
an
apartment
hotel,
as
quote
a
hotel
with
dwelling
units
in
which
all
accommodations
are
provided
in
dwelling
units
and
in
which
at
least
25
percent
of
the
guest
rooms
are
for
occupancy
by
transient
guests,
close
quote.
Thus
what
we
propose
meets
the
code's
definition
of
an
apartment
Hotel.
First,
after
the
addition
of
the
stoves
and
ovens
to
the
kitchenettes,
all
the
units
will
qualify
as
dwelling
units
under
the
code.
Second,
at
least
25
percent
of
the
guest
rooms
will
be
utilized
as
trans
for
transient
guests.
F
F
That
said,
we
respectfully
submit
that
our
proposal
then
meets
the
nine
criteria
set
forth
in
section
6-3-5-1
of
the
code,
specifically
first
and
as
what
we
have
shown.
Our
proposal,
our
proposed
use
of
the
property
qualifies
as
an
apartment,
hotel
and
an
apartment
hotel
is
a
special
use
in
an
R6
zoning
District.
F
Second,
our
proposal
complies
with
the
purposes
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan,
as
well
as
the
zoning
ordinance
in
general.
The
proposed
apartment
hotel
is
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
a
currently
vacant
property.
The
property
already
includes
significant
Green
Space
and
more
than
sufficient
parking
all
in
proximity
to
the
downtown
district.
F
F
Fifth
Current
public
facilities,
utility
services
and
so
forth
are
more
than
adequate
to
handle
the
proposed
apartment,
hotels
anticipated
needs.
Sixth,
the
proposed
apartment
Hotel
will
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
The
building
currently
has
a
driveway
for
loading
and
unloading
guests,
and
the
parking
lot
accommodates
a
more
than
sufficient
number
of
vehicles.
F
F
In
conclusion,
given
our
ability
to
meet
the
aforementioned
criteria,
we
respectfully
submit
that
we
meet
the
requirements
of
section
6-3-5-10
and
respectfully
request
that
this
honorable
commission
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
bch
1555
LLC
be
granted
a
special
use
permit
to
operate
an
apartment
hotel
at
1555,
Oak
Avenue.
Thank
you.
A
G
Yeah
is
this
a
question
for
staff
and
I
may
have
missed
this
in
the
the
packet
the
code
says,
minimum
of
of
25
have
to
be
transient.
Is
there
a
maximum.
D
E
There
is
no
extremely
clear
dividing
line
within
the
zoning
ordinance
staff
did
go
back
and
forth
with
the
applicant,
noting
that
the
definition
of
Hotel
May
better
fit
the
use,
but
also
acknowledging
that
there
is
no
maximum
percentage
listed
within
the
apartment.
Hotel
definition.
Therefore,
we
believed
it
was
best
to
move
forward
with
the
special
use
and
let
the
commission
make
that
determination
as
it
relates
to
standard
number.
One.
A
We
we
have
accessory
uses
all
the
time.
So
if
a
restaurant
exists
in
a
hotel
as
a
hypothetical,
that's
a
hotel
that
has
a
restaurant
in
it,
it's
not
a
restaurant
that
happens
to
have
a
hotel
attached
to
it.
The
hotel
is
the
primary
use,
because
that
is
what
the
majority
of
the
use
of
the
building
is.
That's
being.
E
A
Is
correct,
okay,
so
I
guess
I'll
ask
Mr
diddish
the
question
then,
although
there
is
no
maximum
listed
once
we
reach
50
plus
one
does
not
in
does
that
not
change
the
the
definition
of
what
this
is,
because
if
you
don't
have
apartments
in
an
apartment
Hotel,
how
is
it
an
apartment,
hotel
and
I
realized
that
adding
kitchens
in
makes
them
dwelling
units,
but
to
me
that
seems
like
a
little
bit
of
a
a
run
around.
F
Yes,
but
what
we
are
looking
at
is
the
strict
definition
provided
in
the
ordinance
itself
without
reading
into
it
exceptions
or
what
perhaps
should
have
been
written
or
trying
to
clarify
something
that
seemingly
may
be
unclear,
because
the
definition
States
explicitly
in
which
at
least
25
percent
of
the
guest
rooms
are
for
occupancy
by
transient
guests.
It
doesn't
say
that
at
51
percent
that
somehow
suddenly
this
apartment
Hotel
becomes
a
hotel.
A
F
H
F
Agree
on
that
part
of
it
in
which
at
least
25,
it
doesn't
say
in
which
less
than
51
percent
or
51
are
are
for
occupancy
by
transient
guest.
It
explicitly
States,
simply
in
which
at
least
25
percent
of
the
guest
rooms
are
for
occupancy
by
transient
guests.
We
respectfully
submit
that
what
we're
proposing
would
meet
that
definition.
A
The
way
I
interpret
it
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor
it
for
for
everybody
here,
but
I
mean
I.
That's
that's
where
I
am
struggling
with
this
is
that,
if,
if
indeed
once
you
once,
you
reach
a
primary
use,
that
is
different,
whether
it's
in
the
definition
or
not,
the
the
primary
use
is
the
primary
use.
A
Commissioner
lindwall
event:
Westerberg.
Okay,.
C
I've
got
questions
about
what
how
the
proposed
restaurant
Barber,
Shop,
massage
spa.
You
know
those
those
kinds
of
accessory
spaces
are
proposed
to
be
used
and
and
also
then
who's
going
to
operate.
This
facility.
F
Well,
we
would
operate
the
facility
itself
originally
when
it
was
going
to
be
used
as
a
retirement,
home,
assisted
living
and
so
forth.
We
had
already
redone
the
kitchens
and
so
forth,
and
we
had
set
up
the
beauty,
shops
and
so
forth.
We
had
people
all
planted
lined
up
to
work,
those
various
positions.
Obviously
it's
something
we
would
have
to
go
out
whether
we
would
actually
have
enough
business
to
support
two
restaurants.
F
D
A
D
Correct
and
proving
that,
would
you
be
amenable
to
using
environmental
pavers
in
that
area.
F
I
believe
we
would
I
did
mention
that
at
one
point
to
the
managing
member
of
the
LLC,
and
if
we
went
forward
with
this,
he
said
he
might
be
amenable
to
Paving
the
currently
dirt
love
parking
lot.
A
A
Is
there
anybody
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this
particular
matter?
Some
people
signed
up
but
didn't
put
cases
next
to
their
names,
not
seeing
any
before
before
you
sit
down.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
add
in
in
summation
before
we
walk
through
our
standards
and
make
our
recommendation
no.
A
You
Mr
diddish
I,
appreciate
it
I.
C
Have
one
additional
question:
this
is
for
staff.
Actually,
you
noted
in
the
memo
that
this
special
there
was
another
special
use
for
a
cultural
facility
that
was
recommended
by
the
zba
and
then
it
was
withdrawn,
but
there
were
certain
conditions
attached
to
that
recommendation.
Do
you
recall
what
those
conditions
were.
E
A
All
right
with
that,
we
will
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberations
again.
We
are
recommending
body
to
City
Council
on
this
matter,
so
any
decision
that
we
make
is
a
recommendation
and
city
council
will
make
the
final
determination,
General
thoughts
from
commissioners.
G
I
actually
I
was
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
to
hear
that
there
was
an
apartment,
Hotel
designation
in
the
zoning
code,
because
I
think
it
offers
flexibility
to
developers.
And
so,
although
I
agree
with
the
chairman
about
the
customary
common
you
know,
definition
of
of
you
know
what
what
qualifies
as
the
major
use
in
the
minor
use.
G
C
Sure
I
also
you
know
I
agree
with
commissioner
halleck
and
and
frankly,
in
terms
of
the
definition
of
apartment,
Hotel
I
would
I
would
argue
that
the
requirement
for
at
least
25
percent
transient
guess
has
to
do
with
distinguishing
the
apartment
hotel
from
an
apartment
building,
at
which
point
you
you
know,
because
because
the
notion
is
that
there
are
transient
guests,
not
permanent
guests
and
I,
think
that,
given
the
location
I
mean
it
could
just
the
applicant
could
just
have
easily
asked
for
the
property
to
be
rezoned
to
D2,
which
is
adjacent
to
the
property,
at
which
point
a
hotel
would
be
a
permitted
use
so
I'm.
C
You
know
I
and
again,
I
think
that
that
the
whole
notion
of
you
know
permanent
versus
you
know,
Transit
gets
it
gets
into
the
whole
question
of
you
know
transient
guests
are
paying
hotel
tax
and
I
guess
this
was
another
question:
I
should
have
asked
staff
about
how
the
the
hotel
tax
is
structured,
would
permanent
guess
be
subject
to
the
hotel,
tax
and
I.
C
Don't
know
if
you
know
but
but
but
the
the
point
is
that
Transit
guests
will
provide
yet
another
Revenue
source
for
the
city
that
you
know
an
apartment
building
would
not.
D
I
guess
my
only
concern
is
you
have
a
definition
for
apartment
Hotel.
You
have
a
definition
for
apartment
or
just
Hotel
rather,
and
they
end
up
seeming
to
serve
the
same
use.
So
to
me
it
makes
more
sense
if
it
is
going
to
be
called
an
apartment,
hotel
and
fit
within
current
zoning,
and
it
seems
to
me
it
does
make
sense
to
have
a
maximum
number
for
transient
guests.
I
The
25
is
that
also,
would
that
be
considered
for
an
Airbnb
use
as
a
transient
so
that
that
apartment
building
would
basically
you
know
you
would
have
a
regular
amount
of
people
living
there
as
an
apartment,
but
then
the
other,
the
other
apartments
would
be
considered.
So.
A
So
the
the
definition
for
a
transient
guest
versus
a
permanent
debt
guest
is
really
the
transient
does
not
have
a
lease
and
is
occupying
it
on
a
daily
or
weekly
basis,
whereas
a
permanent
guest
is
there
for
at
least
30
days,
and
we
would
typically
would
think
there
would
be
some
sort
of
an
agreement
outside
of
a
typical
Hotel.
You
don't
sign
a
lease
drive
into
your
hotel,
but.
G
A
Anything
else
from
Commissioners,
if
not
I'll,
just
add
my
two
cents
I
think
it's
a
great
project.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
project
at
all.
I
have
a
project
with
the
definition
that's
being
used
and
when
we're
done
here,
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
City
staff,
about
making
a
change
to
our
definitions
to
help
clarify
that.
But
that
does
us
no
good
at
this
particular
time,
because
this
is
the
definition
with
which
we
are
working.
A
I
mean
I
I,
like
I,
said:
I.
Think
it's
a
good
project,
I
think
I.
My
problem
is
that
we're
calling
it
something
that
it
isn't
in
my
opinion
and
and
that's
where
I
have
an
issue
with
this,
but
with
that
we
do
have
a
set
of
standards
that
we
must
go
through
and
find
our
met
before
we
can
make
a
a
recommendation
for
approval
to
city
council.
A
There
are
nine
of
them
in
the
special
use
category,
the
first
one
being
that
it
is
one
of
the
special
uses
listed
for
the
zoning
District
in
which
the
property
lies,
I'm,
getting
a
sense
from
all
the
other
Commissioners
for
the
most
part
that
they
are
feeling
that
the
standard
is
met.
I,
however,
do
not
feel
that
this
is
met.
I,
believe
that
this
is
actually
operating
as
a
hotel,
not
as
an
apartment,
hotel
and
therefore
an
apartment
or
I'm.
A
Sorry,
a
hotel
is
not
permitted
in
the
residential
districts
number
two:
it
complies
with
the
purposes
and
the
policies
of
the
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
This
is
a
property
that
has
sat
for
some
time,
not
being
used.
It's
a
large
property,
so
it's
it's
vacancy
is
noticeable
to
the
neighborhood
and
to
the
city
and
so
being
able
to
take
something
that
is
that
was
designed
in
such
a
way
and
continuing
to
to
refurbish
it
and
make
it
feel,
give
it
new
new
life
and
make
it
feel
like
it
actually
has
a
purpose.
I'm.
All
for
and
I
believe
that
this
standard
has
been
met
and
again,
there's
been
some
discussion
about.
A
If
it's
a
hotel,
there
will
be
Hotel
taxes
involved
and
obviously
one
of
the
things
we
look
for
in
our
comp
plan
is
ways
to
generate
income
for
our
city,
so
I
believe
standard
number
two
is
met
number
three:
it
does
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
in
combination
with
existing
special
uses
or,
as
a
category
of
land
use
this
building.
Really
it
was
built
with
this
size
density
at
the
time
it
was
built
in
1953.
A
It's
the
use
of
it
actually
we'll
we'll
have
a
a
a
purpose.
It's
near
our
downtown,
so
people
who
do
stay
here
will
will
be
able
to
make
use
of
our
downtown
easily.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
is
met.
A
Number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood
I
would
argue,
it
actually
does
quite
the
opposite.
Having
a
large
derelict
building
sitting
on
your
block
does
not
improve
your
properties,
however,
having
a
space
that
is
functioning
and
usable
and
generating
business
and
income
for
the
city,
I
think
would
be
a
A
plus
in
this
neighborhood,
so
that
standard
is
met
number
five:
it
is
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
A
A
There
is
parking
that
is
provided
for
it,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
I
have
to
believe
that
all
the
other
utilities
things
like
that
go
to
going
to
this
building
actually
are
adequate
or
would
be
made
adequate
without
much
difficulty.
So
that
standard
is
met
number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
We
didn't
really
hear
testimony
to
this,
but
with
the
parking
spaces
that
are
being
provided
and
with
it
being
in
our
downtown
core.
A
We
do
believe
that
our
I
do
believe
that
this
particular
case
the
traffic
would
be
an
incremental
increase,
but
not
something
that
would
be
detrimental
to
the
downtown
area
number
seven
to
preserves
significant
historical
and
Architectural
resources.
As
the
applicant
mentioned.
This
is
a
property
that
is
mid-century
and
sort
of,
looks
mid-century
and
doesn't
really
look
mid-century
and
Amis
vanderer
sort
of
way.
A
So
it
is
it,
it
is
what
it
is,
but
hopefully,
when
it's
restored
and
and
repaired
and
everything
it
will
feel
like
it
is
a
contributing
member
to
the
architectural
interest
of
the
of
that
particular
block
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
resources.
There
is
quite
a
bit
of
open
space
on
this
lot.
We
have
heard
from
the
applicant
that
their
intention
is
to
keep
it
such
so
that
standard
is
met
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
again.
This
would
be.
A
This
would
be
a
case
where
I
this
particular
applicant
has
done
business
in
the
City
of
Evanston
for
for
quite
a
while,
as
well
as
surrounding
neighborhoods.
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
any
any
regulations
that
were
placed
before
him
would
not
be
met
with
the
exception
of
number
one.
Does
everyone
agree
with
the
rest
of
my
findings
on
standards?
A
J
A
Right
are
there
any
conditions
that
we
feel
should
be
included
into
this.
D
Well,
let
me
suggest
that
if,
if
it
is
going
to
be
an
apartment,
Hotel
different
from
a
hotel
that
we
we
could
Institute
a
limit
on
the
transient
guests,
I
know
not.
Everyone
feels
that
way,
but
I'm
I'm
still
trying
to
sort
out
apartment,
Hotel
versus
hotel
and
if
it
said
before,
if
it
walks
like
a
duck,
it
probably
is
one.
C
I
am
not
as
concerned
about
Transit
versus
permanent
gas,
but
I
think
that
that,
in
terms
of
the
inclusionary
housing
Provisions,
that
was
mentioned
in
the
staff
memo
I
think
it's
important
to
have
this
monitoring.
So
we
know
yeah
whether
or
not
we're
really
dealing
with
you
know.
You
know
there's
part
of
it.
The
question
is
how
permanent
is
permanent.
Somebody
comes,
you
know
for
a
six-week
assignment,
you
know
Extended
Stay
assignment
and
is
living
there.
C
That's
a
lot
different
than
somebody
living
there
for
a
year
or
two
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
got
any
way
of
of
kind
of
tracking
that,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
in
the
annual
Property
Standards
inspection-
or
you
know
the
other
licensing
that
may
be
a
way
of
of
kind
of
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
this,
because
my
my
feeling
is
really
that
until
we
know
how
this
facility
actually
operates,
it's
really
hard
to
say
whether
it's
an
apartment,
hotel
or
a
hotel
and
and
and
again
you
know
it
would
be
not
that
onerous
to
rezone
the
property
to
you
know
have
it
be
a
hotel.
C
A
I
guess
my
question
kind
of
if
I'm
interpreting
what
you're
saying
correctly
is
how
do
we
know
what
rooms
are
permanent
and
therefore
would
be
included
in
the
inclusion,
conclusionary
I.
E
Staff
would
request,
for
simplicity's
sake,
that
if,
if
you
are
looking
to
have
a
portion
fall
under
the
hotel
tax
and
a
portion
fall
under
the
iho,
that
that
should
then
have
a
condition
stating
what
that
percentage
is,
so
that
there
is
a
a
known
quantity.
It
would
be
quite
difficult
to
review
it
on
a
quarterly
or
yearly
basis
and
then
adjust
those
numbers.
Yeah.
A
D
A
A
D
I
clarify
we
are
saying
that
it
is
an
apartment
Hotel,
although
there
is
going
to
be
no
condition
upon
how
what
the
what
the
percentages
for
transient
guests
is.
C
Okay,
I
move
that
we
recommend
approval
of
the
special
you
per
special
use:
permit
application
for
1555
Oak
Avenue
22zm
jv-0085,
with
the
condition
that
the
applicant
paved
the
unimproved
parking
lot
with
permeable
pavers
I
think
that
was
the
only
condition
we
and.
A
It
has
been
moved.
Is
there
a
fact.
G
A
It's
been
moved
by
lindwall
Second
and
by
halleck.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
hearing
none?
Would
you
like
to
call
the
role
please
before.
E
You
do
that
yep.
Could
you
please
provide
a
time
frame
for
Paving
the
parking
lot
and
keeping
in
mind
that
it
may
trigger
mwrd
review,
which
does
take
some
time
so
I
would
request
at
least
six
months,
if
not
longer,.
A
A
Because
six
months
could
put
us
potentially
back
into
times
when
you
aren't
Paving
very
well,
so
so
with
that
one
changed
to
it,
is
there
or
would
you
call
the
role
please.
C
A
So,
with
a
vote
of
three
to
two,
it
does
move
forward
with
the
Positive
recommendation
to
city
council.
The
staff
will
work
with
you
on
exactly
when
you
will
be
appearing
before
Council
and
the
next
steps.
As
you
move
forward.
Good.
A
Project,
thank
you
with
that.
We
will
move
on
to
our
second
case
of
this
evening,
which
is
1733
Oakton
Street.
It
is
an
appeal,
and
this
board
is
the
determining
body
in
this
particular
case,
I,
don't
know
which
staff
member
Miss
klotz.
If
you
would
please
read
it
into
the
record.
E
22
zmjv0088
Cheryl
and
Robert
Munoz
Property
Owners
of
1729
Oakton
Street
appeal,
the
zoning
administrator's
decision
to
Grant
minor
zoning
relief
case
number
22,
ZM
nv0074
to
construct
a
second
story:
Edition
with
a
proposed
East
interior
side
yard,
setback
of
3.9
feet
and
an
existing
first
story
of
3.9
feet.
Section
6837
in
the
R2
single-family
residential
district,
the
appellant
appeals,
the
approval
of
the
3.9
foot,
East
interior
side,
yard
setback
variation
and
also
appeals,
the
overhang
amount
or
Eve
or
yard
obstruction
approved
without
variation.
A
Thank
you.
Would
you
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
hi.
A
You
Mr,
mierno
I
know
you
have
a
presentation.
Is
there
anything
you
wanted
to
say
beforehand
or
do
you
just
kind
of
want
to
go
right
into
the
presentation
yeah.
L
Yeah,
it's
probably
best
that
we
go
in
directly
I've
timed
this
out.
It
takes
about
20
minutes.
So
if
I
seem
to
go
long,
I
apologize
in
advance
all.
A
Right,
oh,
we
changed
my
light
switch
here.
Is
this
light
switch
still
work
there
and
do
you
want
to
show
him?
Do
you
know
how
to
work?
You
got.
L
Okay,
so
I've
lived
here
in
my
all
my
whole
life,
my
wife
moved
here
in
99
when
we
purchased
our
current
home
at
this
address.
Currently
Cheryl
can't
be
here
because
she's
in
in
Pennsylvania
caring
for
an
Asian
parent
and
undergoing
care
for
stage
free
breast
cancer,
she
wishes
she
could
be
here
in
person,
but
I
have
her
on
the
phone.
Listening
in
this
is
our
agenda.
L
As
I
said
before
ever
since
my
been
my
home
for
my
entire
life
and
I
love
living
here,
we
have
a
great
City,
don't
we
we've
been
able
to
achieve
a
unique
blend
of
character
from
classic
to
hip,
which
is
not
easy
to
do
a
great
amount
of
work
and
oversight
on
the
part
of
the
city,
employees
and
City
residents
goes
into
making
sure
everyone
can
continue
and
enjoy
the
excellent
character,
as
well
as
sharing
the
benefits
of
our
great
hometown.
L
This
is
a
photo
of
our
modest
home.
We've
lived,
we've
owned
and
lived
this
in
this
house
since
1999.,
we
love
our
open
floor
plan.
We
enjoy
great
quantities
of
light
in
our
home.
The
fact
is
that
I
know
that
the
fact
is
that
Oakton
Street
leaves
something
to
be
desired,
but
our
love
for
this
property
has
kept
us
here
when
many
other
couples
would
have
sold
or
traded
up.
L
Our
single
greatest
worry
regarding
the
proposal
is
1733
is
the
change
in
the
roof
pitch
in
recent
years,
storms
have
been
quite
violent
and
dumb
vast
quantitative
quantities
of
rain.
Our
gutters
to
the
front
and
rear
of
our
house
have
had
difficulty
keeping
up
with
the
Deluge
at
times.
Fortunately,
for
all
concerned,
any
overflow
is
directed
to
the
front
and
the
rear
and
not
towards
anyone
else's
property.
L
As
you
can
see
from
this
picture,
there
is
a
six
foot
property
fence
that
spans
the
property
line.
The
space
on
17th
33
is
narrow
and
slanted
towards
our
property.
Overflowing
range
is
going
to
channel
into
our
yard.
In
winter,
snow
melt
is
going
to
create
an
ice
Hazard
when
it
drips
onto
the
Frozen
Earth
migrates
onto
our
property
and
freezes.
This
will
create
a
hazard,
hardship
and
liability
where
none
currently
exists.
L
In
addition
to
the
ice
liability,
the
cleaning
of
gutters
is
going
to
be
nearly
impossible
using
a
22
foot
ladder
with
a
steep
angle
as
an
eths
geometry,
graduate
I
can
tell
you
that
Mrs
Payne
would
tell
me
that
to
avoid
such
a
streak
to
avoid
such
a
street
seep
angle
in
order
to
safely
manage
the
cleaning,
the
ladder
will
need
to
be
placed
on
our
property
in
the
garden
that
we
generally
plan
in
that
space.
L
In
our
comprehensive
plan,
the
city
recognizes
the
need
for
natural
light
and
desires
that
building
designs
reflect
natural
light
patterns
in
an
effort
to
reduce
demand
for
electricity.
As
I
said
earlier,
one
of
the
attractions
of
our
home
is
a
great
quantity
of
natural
light
that
we
enjoy.
My
wife
describes
our
home
to
People
by
saying
every
room
is
absolutely
resplendent
with
natural
light.
L
She
reads
a
lot
and
has
a
great
way
with
words,
but
in
this
respect
she's
correct,
we
have.
We
have
excellent
natural
light
in
our
home.
This
is
one
of
the
primary
reasons
we
stay.
We
continue
to
stay
in
our
home
on
busy
Oakton
Street
for
the
addition
at
1733,
the
the
Builder
may
be
considering
maximizing
the
amount
of
interior
natural
light
exposure
in
that
residence,
but
he
is
taking
away
natural
light
from
from
our
1729
Oakton
Street
address.
L
Our
comprehensive
plan
does
not
specify
that
an
architect
needs
to
respect
natural
light
patterns
of
nearby
homeowners,
but
the
aim
history
to
reduce
demand
for
electricity,
and
it
is
counter-intuitive
to
remove
a
neighbor's
natural
light,
while
any
addition
would
have
an
impact.
This
Edition
is
more
than
a
foot
into
the
side,
side,
yard
setback.
Therefore
we
will
we
are
losing
more
natural
light
than
in
if
a
setback
were
in
place.
L
The
city
asserts
that
this
request
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
adjoining
product
properties
and
in
using
the
descriptor
substantial
agrees
that
there
is
an
adverse
impact
with
a
driveway
and
required
setback
on
the
west
side
of
the
property.
Moving.
The
addition
to
that
wall
would
have
the
result
that
the
adverse
impact
on
neighbors
would
be
negligible.
L
Further
known
variants
would
be
needed.
This
would
also
allow
the
city
to
adhere
to
our
stated
comprehensive
plan
pursuant
to
maintaining
natural
light,
as
well
as
our
city
character.
By
not
having
an
imposing
structure
sitting
within
the
side
yard
setback
and
looming
over
our
home.
The
city
has
decided
what
they
consider
to
be
a
substantial
adverse
impact,
but,
as
you
will
see,
we
feel
this
opinion
is
in
the
broad
Strokes.
L
The
city
is
recognized
that
noise
pollution
is
an
issue
in
our
community
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
they
have
pointedly
stated
that
this
is
an
issue
that
is
often
overlooked
from
our
comprehensive
plan.
The
city
has
said:
noise
pollution,
although
sometimes
overlooked,
can
seriously
detract
from
the
quality
of
life
of
our
community.
L
When
we
purchased
our
home
in
99
properties
to
our
immediate
East
and
West
were
one-story
structures
within
a
few
short
years,
1725
directly
to
our
East
was
purchased,
and
two
contractors
added
two
additional
stories
with
the
intention
of
flipping
the
home
prior
to
that
upward.
Edition,
our
home
and
backyard
were
relatively
peaceful
and
enjoyable
quiet
spaces.
L
After
that
upward
addition
was
added.
Our
backyard
became
very
noisy
with
the
sound
of
Oakton
traffic.
The
noise
was
being
picked
up
and
reflected
into
our
space
from
the
West
Wall
of
the
structure
at
1725.
Because
of
this
experience,
we
were
all
too
well
aware
of
how
a
structure
can
amplify
sound.
Also
Oakton
has
become
a
very
busy
roadway
over
the
years
it
has
evolved
from
a
sleepy
Street.
We
moved
into
1999
into
a
24-hour
heavily
traveled
Thruway.
We
have
today
with
the
addition
of
1725.
L
Once
we
had
the
diffusion
of
sound
now
there
is
now
we
have
a
collection
point.
The
sound
is
collected
Amplified
and
the
waves
are
redistributed
towards
our
home.
L
L
L
L
The
city
contends
that
the
issue
of
non-conforming
interior
side
yard
setback
is
not
self-created.
The
applicant
did
not
build
her
home
with
it
within
the
setback.
This
is
not
debatable.
It
is
in
choosing
this
particular
option.
We
have
here
today
for
addition
that
the
applicant
has
create
self-created
an
issue.
There
are
other
options
available
for
this
Edition.
L
Excuse
me
ease
of
tying
into
the
bathroom
Plumbing
stair
placement,
long,
narrow
room
and
moving
utilities.
We
contend
that
some
of
these
reasons
are
tilting
at
windmills.
Alternative
options
exist.
They
will
be
slightly
more
costly,
but
then
again
they
might
not
be.
Oh,
we
didn't
know
we
have
not
seen
a
budget
or
cost
comparison
or
of
doing
it
any
other
way.
L
L
L
Apologies
for
the
low
light
photograph
I've
been
working
on
a
project.
I
didn't
get
home
until
dark
I.
Guess
you
probably
know
what
I
mean
by
that
this
Supply
this
slide
depicts
the
rear
of
our
home.
The
ladder
is
a
fixture
since
we
frequently
clean
our
gutters
to
prevent
clogging.
We
love
our
five
old
growth,
cotton
Woods
and
we
bought
this
property.
We
quickly
found
out
that
it
drops
a
lot
more
than
leaves.
L
L
As
you
can
see
from
the
photo,
our
gas
and
electric
have
been
moved.
The
gas
was
moved.
It
took
about
an
hour
for
nikor
to
shoot
the
line.
The
I'm
I'm
presuming
that
in
any
remodeling
the
electrical
will
have
to
be
removed,
reworked.
L
This
is
our
very
green
backyard
and
the
pups
Royal
and
Gracie.
We
really
enjoy
this
space.
Even
with
our
sizable
Edition.
We
have
a
lot
of
usable
space
for
relaxation
and
joy
and
enjoyment,
but
not
for
a
garden.
The
only
strip
that
we
have
is
in
the
is
in
the
setback
area.
L
L
L
L
This
will
enable
the
access
to
the
the
bathroom
Plumbing
the
contractor,
expressed
his
desire
to
tap
into
that
being
said,
there's
also
a
laundry
stack
in
this
house,
which
is
noted
in
the
call
out
and
access
to
the
plumbing
in
the
kitchen
on
the
northwest
wall.
On
this
plan,
this
airs
can
remain
as
planned,
but
the
direction
reversed
we
realize
the
Builder
has
a
plan
and
he
would
like
to
put
his
plan
in
place.
Kitchen
entryway
chimney,
The
Chosen
floor
plan
in
general
should
all
be
items
that
can
be
worked
around.
L
L
L
The
city
points
to
other
neighborhoods
were
setbacks,
issues
exist,
but
many
of
those
neighborhoods
were
built
long
before
we
had
our
current
zoning
regulation
when
reviewing
requested
changes
that
require
a
variance.
The
city
gives
every
appearance
of
caring
through
the
solicitation
of
comments
for
people
affected
in
the
200
foot
radius.
In
this
case,
three
people
have
expressed
a
desire
not
to
allow
this
variance
and
the
city
is
minimized.
L
These
concerns
we've
left
feeling
our
opinions
count
for
little,
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
continuing
Motif
for
for
the
people
on
Oakton
Street
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
that,
as
residents
of
the
City
of
Evanston
we're
perplexed
as
to
why
the
city
solicited
feedback.
Yet
all
the
feedback
has
been
minimized.
We
are
people
with
real,
very
real
experiences
and
feelings
resulting
from
these
experiences.
Having
read
through
the
packet
for
this
public
fear
for
this
public
hearing,
we
can
only
express
regret
that
some
of
the
staff's
comments
seem
callous.
L
L
A
C
I,
just
have
one
quick
one:
how
far
from
the
I
guess
the
west
side
of
your
property
is
your
yeah,
where,
where
is
your
the
West
line
of
your
your
house?
Is
it
on
the?
Is
it
within
the
setback
or
is
it
10
feet?
You
know
roughly.
L
You
know
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
make
a
joke
here,
I,
don't
know
exactly
and,
and
my
mom
said,
please
be
specific,
but
you
know
when
we
used
to
I
used
to
go
to
the
deli
and
we
would
ask
our
the
people
who
cut
the
meat,
how
we
would
want
it.
We'd
say
paper,
thin.
M
C
L
Paper
thin
and
it's
it's
it's
about
a
good
row
of
tomatoes.
Okay,.
A
L
A
Other
questions,
since
this
is
an
appeal
from
the
decision
of
our
zoning
administrator,
you
may
have
a
seat
Mr
Muno,
if
you'd
like
I,
will
ask
our
zoning
administrator
and
or
her
designee
I,
don't
know
if
you're
speaking
to
this
or
if
Mr
Griffith
will
be
speaking
to
this
or
if
you'll,
both
be
speaking
to
it.
E
A
minor
variation
was
granted
ultimately
because
staff
felt
that
it
met
the
standards
for
minor
variations
which
do
have
a
lower
threshold
than
standards
for
major
variations
within
those
standards.
Staff
looked
for
Alternatives
and
did
find
that
if
the
addition
was
placed
on
the
other
side
of
the
house,
then
it
creates
challenges,
construction,
wise
and
if
the
addition
was
placed
towards
the
rear
of
the
house
at
grade,
it
would
trigger
other
variations.
So
with
these,
the
size
of
the
Edition
proposed,
the
the
location
did
seem
appropriate.
E
Adding
into
that,
we
did
look
at
the
overall
height
and
bulk
proposed
and
the
addition
is
I
believe
at
22
feet
in
height,
where
35
feet
is
allowed.
So
it
is
not
maximizing
the
the
bulk
for
the
zoning
district
and
additionally,
we
did
look
at
the
character
of
the
block
and
noted
that
most
of
the
houses
on
that
side
of
the
street
are
two
stories
and
most
of
those
two
stories
are
taller
than
22
feet.
E
Things
considered
relating
to
storm
water
and
drainage
include
if
the
addition
we're
at
grade
that
would
increase
the
amount
of
impervious
on
the
property
and
could
create
drainage
issues
in
that
regard.
But
by
building
up
it
no
longer
does
that
Additionally.
The
city
has
regulations
for
drainage,
gutters
and
downspouts
are
not
allowed
to
drain
within
10
feet
of
a
property
line
and
if,
in
the
event
that
gutters
become
clogged,
that
is
a
property
maintenance
issue.
A
G
Excuse
me
can
I
add
to
that
I
thought
it
was
an
ordinance
in
Evanston
based
on
my
house,
that
all
gutters
need
to
go
to
downspouts
and
downspouts
need
to
go
directly
into
the
the
sewer
system
or
the
ground.
I.
Don't
know
they
don't
they
don't
empty
in
onto
the
surface.
C
E
System
correct
one
in
two
family
residential
cannot
drain
into
the
the
sewer
system.
I
do
not
believe,
there's
a
requirement
to
force
the
gutters
into
the
ground,
but
that
is
something
that
is
done
at
some
properties.
Where
then,
there
is
a
a
drain
pipe
that
runs
further
into
the
center
of
the
property
and
disperses
the
water
there
just
to
further.
N
G
D
E
I,
don't
believe
that
staff
suggested
that
that
tends
to
create
other
construction
problems.
I
am
aware
that
the
the
property
owner
and
neighbor
did
have
discussions
about
and
any
way
to
not
have
the
variation
request.
E
L
A
A
I
I
really
I,
don't
see
anybody
else
signed
up
for
this,
so
I'll
just
ask
real
quickly,
I
think
everybody's
here
for
our
next
two
cases.
So
with
that
I
will
close
the
record
and
we
will
begin
our
deliberations.
I'll
ask
for
General
thoughts
from
commissioners.
G
To
me,
this
is
very
straightforward:
I
I,
just
I,
don't
know
I,
I,
believe
and
I
think
most
people
believe
most
cities
believe
that
residents
do
not
own
views
or,
like
you
can't
it's
just
you
just
doesn't
exist
so
that
right
doesn't
exist.
G
I
think
that
has
been
stated
that
the
non-conforming
setback
was
not
self-created
by
the
owners
of
the
house
from
a
construction
standpoint,
the
idea
of
a
setback
is
Not
Practical,
because
that
wall
is
probably
a
bearing
wall
and-
and
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
offset
it
they
could
have
built
as
far
as
as
far
as
which
side
the
the
addition
could
be
built
on,
they
could
have
built
a
two-story
within
their
right.
I
mean
I'm,
sorry,
a
complete
two-story
within
their
right.
G
So
to
me,
that's
that's
not
an
issue
and
I
also,
don't
believe
that
I
mean
for
so
as
far
as
the
zoning
is
I.
Think
it's
a
minor
minor
variation
that
should
be
allowed
is
the
Practical
solution
to
bear
on
that
wall
and
I.
Don't
think
that
a
neighbor
should
be
able
to
tell
a
property
owner
how
or
where
to
build
additional
space
on
their
property.
So.
D
I
agree
that
a
neighbor
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
do
that,
but
the
flip
side
of
that
is
that
a
neighbor
shouldn't
have
to
pay
the
price
for
water
infiltration,
which
is
a
substantive
issue,
so
I
think.
However,
this
Edition
is
created.
There
has
to
be
some
good
engineering
that
goes
into
that.
The
city
needs
to
look
at
it
and
really
verify
that
before
a
permit
is
issued.
That
can
be
a
problem
to
have
water
coming
in.
C
I
agree
with
commissioner
Hallock:
it
makes
the
most
sense
to
build
the
addition
up
from
the
you
know
not
to
try
to
offset
the
the
setback
to
comply.
I
am
not,
as
concerned
about.
You
know,
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
gutter
and
downspout
you
know
requirements
are
such
that
there
won't
be
an
issue.
I
actually
happen
to
live
in
a
situation
where
there
is
a
rough
overhang
that
that,
on
my
neighbor's
property,
that's
it's
probably
well
above
30
feet.
C
That
does
you
know
really
kind
of
come
right
to
the
property
line
and
I've
got
a
sidewalk
and
I
have
not
had
an
issue
with
ice
falling
in
the
in
the
winter.
Amazingly
enough
and
amazingly
enough,
the
property
owner
was
able
to
get
a
ladder
to
go
up
to.
You
know
30
feet.
You
know
on
within
that
that
narrow
setback
so
for
those
Reasons
I'm
going
to
support
the
zoning
administrator's
decision.
G
Let
me
just
let
me
add
to
the
gutter
situation:
there
are
some
really
cool
inventions
for
anyone
who
is
interested
on
how
to
prevent
gutters
from
clogging
and
I
forget
the
brand
name
and
I
don't
want
to
advertise
it,
but
your
cloggers
gutters
will
not
clog
if
you
put
this
material
on
top
of
them.
So
there's
a
really
easy
solution
to
this.
That
is
cost
effective
by
the
way,
rather
than
clean
it
periodically.
A
A
A
I
would
ask
that
that,
as
we
move
this
through
the
process,
that
special
attention
be
paid
to
that
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
putting
water
somewhere
else,
I
know
that
you
know
what
our
code
says
and
everything,
but
I
would
ask
staff
to
keep
a
close
eye
on
that
and
the
same
with
with
the
neighbor
to
make
sure
anything
that
that
is
done
is
called
two
staffs
attention
at
that
time,
because
this
is
an
appeal
of
the
zoning
administrator.
A
We
do
hear
the
case
very
much
like
we
were
hearing
the
case
for
the
first
time.
It
is
a
minor
variation.
There
is
a
different
set
of
standards
for
minor
variations
than
major
variations.
There
are
five
standards
that
must
be
met.
The
first
standard
is
the
Practical
difficulty
is
not
self-created.
The
interpretation
that
we've
always
used
on
self-created
is
when
somebody
wants
to
build
something
that
actually
violates,
without
a
a
reason,
the
fact
that
they
want
to
build
onto
a
first
floor.
A
That's
existing
does
not
it's
not
something
that
they
have
created
on
their
own
and
therefore
the
legally
non-conforming
wall
should
be
allowed
to
be
built
on,
like
I
said,
based
on
previous
years
of
of
experience
number
two,
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
You
know
this
is
one
of
those
things
where
I
I
think
even
the
the
appellant
made
reference
to
this
everything
has
an
adverse
impact.
Everything
that's
done,
impacts
somebody
in
some
way,
and
so
what
we
are
often
tasked
with
is
weighing
what
is
that
impact
I
think
the
addition
of
the
Second
Story
while
having
an
impact,
is
not
substantial,
I
would
say
as
long
as
we
can
make
sure
that
water
is
retained
on
this
property
and
not
shoved
off
onto
neighboring
properties.
A
We
don't
move
into
the
substantial
adverse
impact,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
Number
three:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
comprehensive
General
planning
zoning
ordinance.
We
often
see
people
who
are
trying
to
improve
homes.
I
drive
ocean
fairly
regularly
and
know
that
a
number
of
these
homes
have
been
changed,
some
for
the
better,
some
for
the
worse
over
the
year
years,
but
we
do
have
people
who
are
who
are
constantly
trying
to
to
get
a
little
extra
space
out
of
their
room.
Some
of
these
homes
on
Oakton
are
actually
smaller.
A
So
I
think
that
that,
by
allowing
someone
to
to
add
on
to
a
house
in
a
way
that
is
even
a
minor
variation
is,
is
perfectly
acceptable.
Number
three
number
four.
The
requested
variation
is
consistent
with
the
preservation
policy
set
forth
in
the
comprehensive
General
plan.
A
Obviously
one
of
the
things
that
we're
we're
talking
about
here
is
you
know
the
green
space
that
we
often
have.
We've
heard
some
discussion
about
building
into
the
rear
yard,
which
is
what
some
people
have
done,
but
often
what
happens
in
those
particular
cases?
Is
we
end
up
going
over
on
building
block
coverage
impervious
surface
things
like
that
which
actually
do
create
a
more
difficult
way
to
retain
water
on
a
property?
In
my
opinion,
so
I
believe
this
standard
is
met
and
number
five.
A
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
zoning
administrator
issues,
her
decision
regarding
said
variation.
We
often
have
discussion
about
what
is
the
minimum
and
the
least
deviation.
We've
heard
testimony
that
this
structure
is
about
22
feet
tall
and
something
that
could
be
35
feet
tall
I
know
there
is
one
particular
home
in
this
neighborhood
that
has
had
basically
an
entire
new
home
built
on
top
of
it,
which
would
create
a
much
greater
impact.
A
G
Just
want
to
add
one
more
thing
and
I
think
this
is
significant.
We
talked
about
three
3.9
feet
versus
five
foot
required.
Actually,
that
zone
varies
as
you
go
north.
It
increases
so
at
the
widest
point,
that
setback
is
4
4.66
feet,
which
is
just
a
few
inches
short
of
five
feet,
and
then
it
Narrows
to
three
3.9
at
the
at
the
South
End
of
the
house.
So
it's
not
like
it's
3.9
all
the
way
up.
A
All
right
anything
else
from
commissioners
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion,
and
the
one
thing
I
would
request
is
maybe
a
condition
on
that
is
again
paying
particular
attention
to
water
mitigation
to
keep
water
on
the
property
as
opposed
to
sending
it
off
to
neighboring
properties.
C
A
Need
to
have
five
five
votes,
and
so
if
we
do
not
get
five
votes
off
the
five
of
us
who
are
here
tonight,
the
matter
would
be
continued,
but
there
would
be
no
further
discussion.
It
would
just
be
an
open
vote
that
is
held
open
until
five
votes
went
one
way
or
the
other.
C
Okay,
I
moved
that
the
land
use,
Commission
affirmed
the
decision
of
the
zoning
Administration
administrator
with
respect
to
1733
Oakton
Street,
22
m
j
m
z,
J
no
22zmb
jb-0088,
with
the
instruction
that,
as
the
project
moves
forward
through
the
permitting
process
that
the
that
City
staff
pay
particular
attention
to
the
storm
water,
detention
system
or
Starbucks
management
system.
A
G
E
If
the
commission
could
also
review
the
eve
appeal,
I
know
it
was
not
discussed
tonight,
but
it
was
part
of
the
application
and
it
it
would
not
follow
those
same
standards.
If
you
look
at
the
paragraph
in
the
memo
just
under
the
standards
listed,
you
need
to
determine
if
the
eve
interpretation,
that
a
four
inch
Eve
is
considered
compliant.
If
that
interpretation
is
considered
arbitrary,
ill-considered
or
erroneous.
E
A
Standards
to
go
through
on
this
particular
one.
This
is
one
of
those
that,
like
we
just
correct,
make
a
decision
based
on
our
our
best.
The
information
that's
been
presided
provided
to
us.
A
A
D
A
Yes,
so
with
five
concurring
votes
again
that
meets
the
standard
that
we
need
to
have
so
a
four
inch
Eve,
which
was
the
decision
of
the
zoning
administrator,
is
upheld.
Thank
you
with
that.
We
move
on
to
the
special
use
and
major
variations
for
1801
1805
Church
Street,
whose
project
is
this
Michael
Mr
Griffith?
Yes,.
O
This
is
mine.
This
is
a
special
use,
a
major
variation
for
1801
1805,
Church,
Street
and
1708
to
1710
Darrow
Avenue
case
number,
22zmjv-0089.
O
To
eliminate
the
required
building.
Stoop
base
type
from
a
storefront
base
to
limit
the
required
building
stoop
base
type
and
provide
a
storefront
base
type.
Instead
to
provide
occupied
space
behind
the
building
parapet.
Cap
type,
where
the
occupied
space
is
not
permitted
to
eliminate
the
required
one
short
loading
birth
to
increase
the
yard
obstruction
from
10
percent
to
40
percent
into
the
corner
side.
Setback
for
the
exterior
building
fins.
G
O
Vertical
trellis
to
eliminate
the
required
three
to
four
foot:
tall,
Steel
or
PVC
picket
fence
around
the
parking
area,
all
four
proposed
religious
institution.
That's
three
stories
located
in
the
B2
business
district,
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District,
the
land
use
commission,
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case,
in
accordance
with
zoning
code,
section
6359
and
ordinance
920.
O
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Griffith
is
the
applicant
and
I,
don't
know
which
one
he
was
presenting.
If
you
would
like
to
come
up
and
sort
of
introduce
yourselves
to
us
and
I
think
you
were
sworn
while
you
were
out
in
the
anti-chamber
I'll
Trust
you
on
that
one
yeah,
you
know
if
you
can't
trust
a
pastor.
Who
can
you
trust?
P
My
name
is
Clifford
Wilson
I
serve
as
the
senior
pastor
of
Mount
Fiska
Ministry
since
1987
at
that
location.
We've
been
in
Ministry
for
49
years
here
in
the
City
of
Evanston,
we've
raised
four
children
here,
all
attendees
of
Weston
Township
High
School.
My
son
received
the
first
Martin
J
Leone
award
for
football.
Is
you
got
a
scholarship
to
play
football
for
Indiana
State?
P
All
my
kids
have
done
very,
very
well
and
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
over
this
last
30
or
so
years.
At
our
location,
we
plan
to
con
continue
that
and
expand
it.
P
One
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
is
have
a
hate,
the
term
soup
kitchen,
but
that
would
be
probably
the
thing
that
you
recognize
and
understand
something
that
would
serve
the
people
in
the
second
Wards
with
which
would
prevent
them
from
having
to
go
downtown,
where
it's,
probably
the
only
one
that
I
know
of
that
serves
food,
but
people
who
are
in
need-
and
so
we're
asking
that
you
do
this
for
us
that
we
will
be
able
to
continue
the
ministry
here
and
that's
that's
basically
what
all
we
want
to
do.
N
Evening,
I'm
Richard
Koenig
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Housing
Opportunity
Development
Corporation,
we're
a
non-profit
organization
that
develops
affordable
housing
throughout
Chicago's
Northern
suburbs.
The
organizations
has
been
around
for
the
past
40
years
and
I've
been
the
executive
director
for
the
past
25
years,
we've
completed
over
30,
affordable
developments
over
500,
affordable
units
throughout
all
Northern
suburbs,
including
properties.
We
have
five
properties
here
currently
in
Evanston
that
we've
had
since
1998.,
as
the
zoning
staff
have
mentioned
that
they
announced
the
first
project,
although
these
two
projects
need
to
go
through
together.
N
So
in
your
package,
you
have
information
on
both
projects
and
what
we're
going
to
present
today
is
going
to
involve
both
projects
that
can't
be
separated.
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
flip
through
to
the
to
the
next
slide
or
do
I
have
that
control
yeah.
This
is
the
one
that
I'm
the
slide
presentation,
and
maybe
the
next
next
slide
please.
N
So
these
are
the
two
lots
that
we're
talking
about
just
to
give
everyone
some
context:
we're
talking
about
the
property
on
the
corner
from
1801
Church
Street.
All
the
way
over
to
1815
Church
Street,
Dodge
Avenue
is
on
the
left
and
Darrow
is
on
the
right.
The
property
that's
outlined
in
yellow
is
currently
property,
that's
owned
by
Mount,
biscar
Ministry
and
the
building
on
the
west
side
of
that
site
is
the
current
Mount
biscuit
Ministry
building
the
block.
N
The
rectangle
in
red
is
currently
owned
by
the
City
of
Evanston
City
acquired
that
property
in
I
believe
in
2019,
and
there
were
underground
storage
tanks
that
were
removed
and
that
environmental
condition
was
remediated.
N
The
City
of
Evanston
put
forth
a
request
for
proposals
back
in
January
2020
to
redevelop
the
site
in
red
and
mount
bisco
and
hodc
were
the
two
applicants
that
applied
to
get
that
site
and-
and
we
decided
and
agreed
to
partner
together
to
redevelop
that
half
of
the
block
along
Church
Street.
So
these
two
projects
are
tied
together.
What
we're
proposing
to
do
is
have
the
and
what's
happened
so
far.
P
Mount
Pisgah
Ministry
has
been
a
number
non-denominational
Ministry
in
the
state
of
Evanston
that
primarily
try
to
minister
to
families,
especially
families
that
are
a
single
parent
homes,
and
we've
been
very,
very
successful
at
that.
We
have
quite
a
few
people
who
have
gone
through
our
ministry
that
are
no
longer
live
in
the
city
of
that
Muslim,
the
last
young
man.
That
might
be
a
some
note
which
his
name
was
Rodney
Pryor.
P
He
played
basketball
for
Georgetown
and
he
was
also
in
in
the
draft
in
the
NBA
and
he
ended
up
playing
basketball
overseas
and
he's
right
now
still
in
the
in
the
G
league
and
he's
doing
great
great
great
things
he's
following
his
dream
and
he's
introducing
a
business
to
the
high
schools
as
an
alternative
measure
for
the
the
main
suppliers
of
uniforms,
and
he
wants
to
make
it
less
expensive
so
that
the
lower
income
schools
will
be
able
to
afford
those
uniforms.
P
And
so
we've
done
quite
well
and
we've
been
recognized
in
this
city
as
a
viable
Ministry.
I've
been
pastoring
here
for
49
years
as
a
matter
of
fact,
you're
looking
at
right
now,
the
longest
tenured
Pastor
in
the
City
of
Evanston
active
tenured
Pastor
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
So
we
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
stand
before
you
today
and
to
to
say
to
you
that
we
look
forward
to
40
49
more
years
of
caution.
Let
us
live
and
thank
you
so
very
much.
N
So
that's
some
background
on
on
the
church's
use
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
residential
use.
There's
some
information
in
your
packet,
but
I'll
sort
of
briefly
go
through,
so
the
audience
can
understand
more
about
the
project.
So.
A
I'm
going
to
interject
just
a
moment
there,
since
we're
kind
of,
are
hearing
these
two
cases
together,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
the
second
one
be
read
into
the
record.
So
everyone
knows
what
you're
asking
for
on
the
second
one
so
that,
as
we
talk
together,
we'll
kind
of
we'll
separate
them
back
out.
A
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
this
holistically
because
I,
don't
think
us
approving
one
without
the
other
or
recommending
one
without
the
other.
Anything
like
that
is
is
a
little
odd,
so
Mr
Griffith.
Do
you
want
to
read
the
the
second
part
of
the
case,
which
is
zero?
Zero?
Nine
two
into
the
record.
Please.
O
O
Mjv-0092
the
applicant
is
asking
for
the
following
major
variations
from
the
evidence
and
Zoning
code
to
reduce
the
required
front
yard.
Build
2
Zone
from
5
to
10
feet
to
zero
feet,
reduce
the
required
West
and
East
into
your
side.
Yard
setbacks
from
five
feet
to
zero
feet,
reduce
the
required
rear
yard
setback
from
five
feet
to
zero
feet.
O
To
increase
the
maximum
permitted
impervious
surface
coverage
from
ninety
percent,
plus
an
additional
five
percent
semi
pervious
surface
area,
to
a
total
of
99.7
percent
of
lot
area
to
increase
the
maximum
permitted
Building
height
from
three
stories
and
47
feet
to
five
stories
and
57.7
feet
to
eliminate
the
required
eight
foot.
Ziggurat
setback
at
the
third
story
eliminate
the
required
one
short
loading
birth
in
order
to
construct
a
five-story
mixed
used,
building
with
ground
floor
retail,
44
dwellings
and
on-site
parking
in
the
B2
business
district
and
the
West
Evanston
overlay
District.
O
A
I
have
a
question
for
staff
that
I
was
going
to
ask,
but
now
that
we're
kind
of
moving
these
two
together
somewhat.
It
is
a
little
odd
for
us
to
be
determining
body
on
something
that
is
going
to
be
so
directly
impacted
by
something
that
is
a
special
use,
recommending
the
staff
foresee
any
issues
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
one,
but
not
the
other
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
case
is.
I
just
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there.
A
Quite
often
when
we
hear
cases
where
there's
a
special
use,
it
kind
of
ties
into
we
make
everything
part
of
a
recommending.
A
Different
question:
okay
or
if,
if
law
even
wants
to
weigh
in
on
that
I,
don't
know
I
don't
mean
to
throw
this
at
you
kind
of
out
of
the
blue,
but.
A
A
D
A
So
that
is
something
that
will
weigh
in
as
well
during
this,
but
I
wanted
to
get
input
from
staff
on
the
other,
with
that,
I
will
return
to
our
regular
presentation
and
Mr
carnig.
If
you
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
pick
up
where
you
left
off.
N
Iciate,
it
so
more
about
the
residential
proposal
for
the
middle
of
the
block.
What
we're
proposing
to
build
is
a
new
five-story
building
there'll
be
44
rental
units.
All
of
the
units
in
the
building
would
be
60
of
Ami
or
qualifies
low
income.
Therefore,
it
meets
100
of
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance.
All
the
units
would
there
be
affordable.
The
targeted
population
would
be
families
seniors.
People
who
work
in
the
area
with
disabilities
would
be
open
to
anybody.
There
would
be
no
restriction
other
than
income
based.
N
We
are
have
requested
a
priority
for
Evanston
residents
under
federal,
fair
housing
laws.
You
typically
are
not
allowed
to
do
a
preference
for
local
residents,
as
you
can
imagine
that
may
cause
a
problem
in
some
communities
in
working
with
the
council
members.
We
are
working
with
the
HUD
and
other
regulatory
bodies
to
determine
whether
or
not
we're
allowed
to
provide
that
preference
so
that
we
can
create
a
preference
for
evidence
residents
and
move
them
to
the
top
of
the
wait
list.
N
As
requested
the
building
itself
would
contain
a
community
room
offices
for
on-site
staff
would
be
a
laundry
on
site.
The
building
would
receive
a
green
certification.
We
would
apply
to
get
Enterprise
Green
community
certification,
so
it
would
be
built
energy
efficient
if
you
built
this
especially
green.
An
interesting
feature
that
people
might
be
interested
in
is
that
the
property
would
be
back
on
the
tax
rolls.
N
Currently,
the
church
is
not
paying
taxes,
the
city's
not
paying
taxes
on
the
corner
lot,
and
even
though
it
is
a
affordable
apartment,
building
residential
building,
we
are
required
to
pay
income
tax
real
estate
taxes
to
Cook
County,
so
there
would
be
it
would
be
back
in
the
tax
rolls
as
the
building
currently
stands.
So
what
does
affordable
mean?
We
were
proposed
to
charge
rents
that
would
be
below
market
so
that
lower
income
households
with
income
qualify
would
be
able
to
afford
the
rents.
N
N
We
would
be
required
to
maintain
those
affordability
levels
for
a
minimum
of
30
years
as
a
non-profit
organization.
It
would
be
our
goal
to
keep
and
maintain
those
in
perpetuity
to
make
those
units
affordable
to
Evanston
residents
and
keep
them
affordable
for
the
area
for
as
long
as
we
possibly
can.
N
The
goal
is
to
provide
high
quality,
low-cost
housing
for
ovens
and
residents,
and
really
help
Revitalize
that
block
so
the
combination
of
retail
space
on
the
first
floor,
residential
apartments
above
the
church
next
door,
we're
really
hoping
would
Revitalize
and
kick
start
that
neighborhood
and
really
create
Greater
Community
amenities
for
that
block
and
for
the
west
side
of
Evanston
Michael.
If
you
do
the
next
slide.
N
So,
that's
briefly
what
we
wanted
to
present.
We
wanted
to
just
let
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
for
the
presentation.
Pastor,
Wilson
I
are
available
to
answer
any
other
questions
or
any
other
details
that
you
want
to
dig
into
weren't
sure
other
questions
you
would
have.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
I
got
a
head
nod
to
towards
our
attorney,
so
I
think
our
attorney
has
something
too
contribute.
Thank.
Q
You
chair,
Rogers
members
of
the
lane
use
commission,
Alex,
ruggie,
Deputy,
City
attorney,
so
after
Consulting
with
staff,
we
believe
that
both
applications
will
move
together
to
city
council
for
final
approval
because
they
are
so
intertwined.
We
do
believe
that
it's
best
that
the
project
moves
forward
in
the
same
fashion,
and
that
is
how
the
land
use
commission
has
handled
other
projects.
Similarly,.
Q
G
One
question
getting
right
to
one
of
the
major
arguments
here:
if
we
were
to
recommend
approval,
but
with
a
housing
building
that
was
four
stories
and
certified
stories.
What
would
the
impact
of
that
be?
I.
C
C
It
looked
like
you
might
lose
a
couple
of
parking
spaces,
but
you
have
you
know
more
than
you're
required
as
it
is
what
what
would
be
the
impact
on
that
and
then
the
second
question
is
really:
what
happens
if
Public
Works
in
the
parking
division
doesn't
agree
with
your
proposal
for
the
loading
in
front
of
the
building.
N
It's
all
intertwined,
those
are
good.
It's
all
complicated
and
we've
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
how
it
all
fit
together,
but
on
the
back
side
on
the
Alley
I
think
that
if
we
needed
to
come
in
I,
don't
know
what
the
arbitrary
amount
that
we
we
need
to
come
in
to
just
meet
that
setback
requirement.
It
would
shrink
the
size
of
the
units
it
would
make
it
would
squeeze
it
down,
make
it
the
building
even
tighter,
make
some
of
the
the
units
even
smaller
and
I.
N
Think
we've
made
try
to
make
them
as
generous
as
we
can.
They
meet
affordable
housing
standards,
and
so
it
just
make
them
smaller
without
a
lot
of
advantage
to
the
building.
The
way
that
we
have
the
the
alleyway
with
the
approach
to
the
driveway
into
the
back,
come
off
the
alley
and
be
able
to
go
up
and
go
down
and
meet
that
driveway.
Some
of
the
criticisms
about
parking
are
that
there's
never
enough
parking
and
so
we're
trying
to
at
least
meet
that
one
to
one
and
have
that.
N
C
C
So
that's
a
concern
and,
and
then
again,
can
you
weigh
in
on
the
not
having
the
loading
birth
that
would
be
required
for
both
of
the
the
uses
and
the
shared
loading
birth
and
whether
or
not
you've
had
discussions
with
Public
Works
about
whether
or
not
that
is
an
acceptable
alternative.
C
O
D
So,
just
to
push
a
little
further
on
this
loading
dock
issue.
What's
the
reason
that
you
can't
incorporate
it
within
the
building
share
it
perhaps,
with
the
church
I
mean
the
Church
Street
is
a
pretty
busy
Street
and
you've
got
traffic.
You've
got
people
trying
to
park
there.
You
have
residents
the
idea
of
tying
up
space
on
the
street.
You
know
for
loading
move-ins
move
outs
seems
to
me
to
be
really
Troublesome.
So
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you
could
possibly
accommodate
that
within
the
building.
N
Losing
this
usable
loses
the
usable
space
that
we
can
within
the
building
so
trying
to
maximize
the
amount
of
parking
spaces
trying
to
maximize
up
the
flow
in
and
out
of
the
building
on
the
back
side,
we
simply
chopping
that
out
makes
it
harder
for
us
to
be
able
to
use
that
space.
I
think
that,
because
of
the
amount
of
time
that
it
would
be
practically
used,
I
mean
we
don't
have.
We
don't
have
that
many
turnovers.
It's
not
used
that,
often
for
move-ins
and
move
outs
for
deliveries
and
drop-offs.
N
It's
not
used
that
frequently,
so
the
loss
of
the
trade-off.
Obviously
the
trade-off
is.
How
often
is
it
used
versus
how
much
space
does
it
chew
up,
and
we
decided
to
weigh
on
the
side
if
we
wanted
to
have
the
parking
one
to
have
the
units
we
want
to
have
the
space
available
in
the
building
and
because
of
the
a
little
huge
amount
of
times
that
would
be
used
practically
speaking,
there's
space
that's
available
on
the
street
and
sort
of
with
church
being
there
right
now.
P
D
I'm
concerned
more
about
what
happens
with
the
community
during
the
week
with
the
residents,
and
so
that's
just
a
concern.
I
have
that
to
me
to
not
have
a
loading
dock.
If
you
are
going
to
go
five
stories,
that
seems
to
me
something
that
you
should
be
able
to
work
with.
That's
all
foreign.
C
C
C
Other
you
know,
the
other
note
is
that
you're
going
to
have
a
trash
chute
for
the
trash,
but
the
tenants
would
be
required
to
take
their
their
Recycling
and
compostables
down
to
the
trash
room.
Is
that
a
a
practice
you
use
in
your
other
facilities
and
how
does
it
work.
N
S,
it
is
it's
the
Practical
solution,
because
people
are
less
likely
to
differentiate,
and
what
we
found
in
the
past
is
that
everything
ends
up
in
the
trash
and
they
don't
people
aren't
using
the
pressure,
trash
and
recycling
for
recycling.
They
know
when
they
want
to
recycle,
they
take
the
recycling
and
they
go
and
they
put
in
the
special
place
versus
everything
going
in
and
trying
to
remember
which
shoot
it
goes
into
and
getting
into
the
wrong
shoot.
It
creates
more
of
a
mess
if.
G
For
staff,
the
overlay
District
I
understand
maybe
incorrectly
that
these
would
not
be
variations
if
there,
if
it
was
the
underlying
zoning-
and
it
wasn't
a
a
special
overlay
district-
is
that
true
or
not.
G
So
what
is
that
I
know?
We've
had
discussions
here
and
there
about
the
overlay
districts
and
whether
they're
still
appropriate
or
not.
What
is
the
current
thinking
that
it's
that
it's
here
to
stay.
O
E
E
G
But
there
is
this
discussion
going
on
about
and
could
you
expand
on
the
challenges.
E
Largely
the
challenges
are
that
it
is
form-based
code
which,
in
a
perfect
world,
it
dictates
exactly
what
to
build.
Where.
D
The
question
I
guess
to
staff
on
the
the
existing
Ministry
is
actually
abuts
to
the
three-story
building
directly.
H
D
West
now
and
you'd
have
the
same
thing
with
the
new
apartment
building,
but
that's
going
to
go
up,
obviously
considerably
more
in
height.
What
what
have
you
got
there
in
terms
of
how
you
can
handle
storm
water
issues
with
a
fat
building?
Because
you
are
going
to
cover
so
much
more
of
the
surface
area.
D
Is
there
any
problem
with
the
with
the
soil
remediation
on
the
adjoining
lot
and
how
those
two
things
work
together.
O
That
would
be
Beyond
me,
but
that'd
be
something
that
would
would
need
to
be
looked
at
at
a
building
permit
stage.
G
A
All
right
we
have
several
people
have
signed
up
to
speak
so
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
Citizen
comment.
We'll
call
you
back
up
afterward
to
address
anything.
I
do
have
six
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
this
evening,
so
I'm
going
to
call
your
name
I'm,
not
going
to
put
time
limits,
but
I
will
ask
you
to
please
be
timely
with
your
discussions
and
do
relate
them
to
this
particular
project.
The
first
one
is
Carla
Sutton,
Mr
Sutton.
S
Good
evening,
Carl
Sutton
a
70-year
resident
of
this
community.
One
block
away
from
this
proposed
development
number
one.
When
this
overlay
District
was
imposed
upon
the
Fifth
Ward,
it
was
done
by
citizens
from
all
over
the
City
of
Evanston
and
we
had
a
West
Side
plan
that
directly
contradicts
and
is
in
direct
opposition
to
this
proposed
project.
I
adamantly
oppose
it
and
do
not
recommend
that
you
give
this
kind
of
commitment
to
the
City
of
Evanston
to
be
considered.
S
The
Proposal
is
extremely
problematic
and
in
the
words
of
our
famous
president
Ronald
Reagan,
here
you
go
again.
We
went
through
this
approximately
20
years
ago
with
these
same
kinds
of
concerns
that
have
not
been
addressed
by
this
proposal,
and
if
it
does
anything,
it
completely
destroys
the
character
of
our
community.
It
is
not
consistent
with
any
buildings
within
a
half
a
mile
of
my
community.
It
does
not
provide
for
the
current
traffic
I
wish.
You
tried
to
cross
from
Daryl
onto
Church
Street
from
eight
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
about
3
30.
S
I've
sat
at
that
stop
sign,
sometimes
as
much
as
15
minutes
trying
to
get
access
to
Church
Street.
This
is
not
going
to
make
that
better.
The
setbacks
is
a
completely
I.
Do
not
want
my
neighborhood,
looking
like
those
buildings
on
Chicago,
Avenue
and
South
Boulevard,
where
they
come
right
to
the
curb.
It's
not
good
for
students
on
bicycles,
trying
to
get
back
and
forth
to
the
high
school
or
going
to
Dewey
school,
and
secondly,
we
got
no
notification
of
this
and
I
know
with
form
based
zoning.
S
You
do
not
have
the
same
requirements
you
had
when
I
first
made
opposition
to
this
program
that
everyone
within
a
thousand
feet
would
get
notification
of
this
project
and
a
chance
to
come
in
I'm
very
upset
about
this
and
I
hope
that
you
recognize
that
my
community
deserves
better
than
this.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Sutton,
I
will
just
say:
staff
brings
proposals
to
us
that
are
submitted.
They
don't
make
any
decisions.
That's
what
we're
here
for
the
next
speaker,
I
have
is
Tina
Payton.
A
If
you
have
questions
that
you'd
like
to
put
to
the
developer-
yes,
you
may
ask
them
at
this
time,
but
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
ask
him
to
respond
separately
instead
of
having
a
discussion
with
you.
J
So
I
would
like
to
know,
and
I
asked
this-
the
they
had
a
community
meeting
last
Thursday
at
the
church
and
I
wanted
to
know
if
there
was
official
paperwork
on
record
that
the
site
has
been
cleaned.
That's
been
the
big
debate.
J
J
J
How
much
I
asked
at
the
meeting?
How
much
was
the
property
worth
at
this
time
that
the
city
owns
and
is
their
appraisal,
and
has
that
been
a
fancy
footwork
on
this
too,
because
they
said
they're
not
asking
for
anything?
But
that's
a
big
ask
and
with
that,
will
the
church
own
all
of
the
land
or
will
the
church
just
own
the
land
that
the
church
is
being
built
on?
J
J
Is
the
notice
for
the
overlay,
500
feet
or
a
thousand
feet.
J
J
J
If
you
ask
for
money,
the
developer
said
he
has
18
million
and
he
will
be
asking
the
city
for
4
million
of
Tiff
money.
J
J
A
You
Miss
Payton,
the
next
speaker,
I,
have
is
Priscilla
Giles,
Miss
Giles.
U
U
It
was
originally
said
to
provide
a
church,
low-income
housing,
a
training
center
with
small
income
producing
businesses
in
us
two
with
story
edifice
the
City
of
Evanston
persistently
talks
about
housing
for
the
underserved
and
on
on
their
employee,
and
this
does
not
seem
to
be
doing
that.
I
didn't
have
a
chance.
I
know.
U
You
said
that
I
should
not
speak
on
any
other,
but
nothing
was
said
when
you
talked
about
the
king
home,
and
this
was
also
a
place
where
people
could,
where
people
who
are
underemployed
and
low
income
could
have
a
place
to
live.
Both
of
these
are
some
edifices
that
should
be
serving
the
whole
city
of
Evanston.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Miss
Giles
Namby
Chambers,.
A
V
Been
living
in
Evanston
for
the
past
12
years
and
what's
in
the
1800
block
of
narrow
and
I,
oppose
the
building
of
the
the
well
I
opposed
to
whatever
they're
going
to
build
with
this
building
reasonably
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
traffic
leaving
on
the
Block,
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
a
block
away
from
where
it
is.
It's
gonna
be
very
hard
for
parking
and
all
that
stuff
I'm
concerned
about.
As
to
what
Carl
Sutton
said,
the
kids
in
the
area,
the
crossing
the
traffic
all
that
stuff,
that's
my
concern,
the
height
of
the
building.
A
A
And
I
will
probably
not
pronounce
this
correctly.
Is
it
ziamara
Chambers.
W
I
opposed
this
project
a
couple
things
the
building
doesn't
match
anything
in
our
area.
You
guys
only
have
parking
for
46..
You
got
46
parking
and
44
units.
What
happens
when
people
come
and
visit
them?
Where
are
they?
Gonna
Park
parking
is
already
tight
when
there's
street
street
cleaning
there's
no
parking
on
the
Block,
when
there
is
no
cleaning
no
parking
on
the
Block,
because
you
could
only
Park
on
one
side
you
can't
park
on
the
other
side.
W
X
Good
evening
my
name
is
Katie
naraki
and
these
comments
to
the
land
use.
Commission
members
are
a
summary
of
the
written
comments
submitted
on
behalf
of
Crosby
Theodore
LLC,
the
owner
of
1817,
Church,
Street
and
occupants
of
this
property.
In
advance
of
this
commissioned
hearing,
we
ask
that
the
land
use
commission
Grant
a
continuance
of
three
months
in
order
for
us
to
discuss
with
the
Housing
Opportunity
Development
Corporation
alternatives
to
Major
variations
requested
by
the
applicant
and
present
testimony
that
takes
into
account
the
materials
submitted
by
the
applicant.
X
We
understand
that
hodc
made
documents
regarding
this
major
development
publicly
available
approximately
one
week
ago,
and
thus
we
request
more
time
to
consider
these
documents
at
the
threshold
matter.
We
express
our
sincere
support
for
the
spirit
of
the
proposed
Redevelopment,
given
its
capacity
to
provide
the
affordable
housing
for
Evanston
residents.
X
This
is
an
important
goal
of
the
City
of
Evanston
and
the
Fifth
Ward,
and
we
have
no
objections
to
this
goal.
However,
we
also
express
our
concerns
that
the
approach
of
the
Redevelopment
will
adversely
impact
the
neighborhood
and
our
Historic
Landmark.
Should
the
land
use
commission
Grant
the
major
variations
requested
by
this
applicant?
X
Additionally,
we
note
to
the
members
that
1817
Church
Street
is
a
designated
Historic
Landmark.
The
building
was
constructed
in
1927
and
contains
approximately
4
100
square
feet
of
space.
It
has
been
used
for
both
commercial
and
residential
purposes.
Its
French
Second
Empire
architectural
styling
contributed
to
its
designation
as
a
local
landmark
in
1996..
In
summary,
our
concerns
are
as
follows.
X
Third
ohdc
maintains
that
the
existence
of
the
vacant
Lots
on
a
development
of
a
developed
block
excuse
me
qualifies
as
a
peculiar
characteristic.
We
agree
that
such
vacant
Lots
on
a
developed
lot
should
be
used
for
the
benefit
of
the
public,
including
for
affordable
housing.
However,
the
existence
of
such
vacant
Lots
is
not
a
peculiar
or
a
special
characteristic
warranting
a
major
variation
for.
We
have
not
seen
evidence
that
the
proposed
development
presents
the
least
deviation
from
evanston's
zoning
code.
Acceptance
of
all
major
variations
is
a
substantial
deviation
from
the
existing
requirements
under
the
code.
X
Instead,
a
proposed
development
that
requests
some,
but
not
all
of
the
seven
major
variations
may
be
more
in
line
with
this
leased
deviation,
standard
and
fifth.
Finally,
the
fifth:
the
hodc
asserts
that
one
of
the
public
benefits
provided
by
the
proposed
Redevelopment
is
affordable.
Housing
for
low-income
households.
Hodc
does
not
explain
why
such
a
benefit
requires
a
major
deviation
variation
and
cannot
be
accomplished
without
the
seven
major
variations
requested.
X
For
the
above
reasons,
we
asked
the
land
use
commission
to
Grant
a
continuance
of
three
months
to
allow
us
to
First,
allow
the
parties
to
engage
in
a
dialogue
about
alternatives
to
the
major
variations
that
would
mitigate
the
adverse
impact
on
1817,
Church,
Street
property
and
surrounding
community
and
second
present,
testimony
that
takes
into
account
the
materials
submitted
by
the
Housing
Opportunity
Development
Corporation
that
they
sent
in
last
week.
Thank
you
for
considering
our
comments.
Q
A
A
H
Y
A
A
K
Sure
hi
Vanessa
Johnson
McCoy
I
didn't
plan
to,
but
since
there
was
so
many
other
comments
on
the
con
side,
I'll
give
a
comment
on
the
pro
side.
K
So
I'm,
a
local
real
estate
broker
with
Coldwell
Banker
here
in
Evanston,
an
affordable
housing
is
definitely
needed
and
I
was,
on
the
other
side,
for
a
development
across
the
street,
from
my
house
on
pitner
and
Dempster
a
couple
of
years
ago,
well
before
Kobe,
so
that
must
have
been
about
four
years
ago,
and
that
was
16
units
and
I
was
saying
some
of
the
same
things
that
others
are
saying.
This
is
too
big.
It's
not.
K
This
is
not
what
we
have
in
our
along
our
blocks,
because
it's
three
stories
and
it's
mostly
single
family
and
Townhomes
right
there
on
Dempster
and
and
pitner,
but
I
will
say
now
that
it
hasn't
been
all
the
concerns
that
we
had
about
parking
and
the
water
drainage
and
it
hasn't
been
an
issue.
I
mean
I,
have
seen
quite
a
few
police
officers
and
fire
and
all
that,
but
it
hasn't
impacted
us
living
there.
K
So
if
that
helps
Comfort
the
local
residents
at
all,
we
had
these
same
concerns
for
a
building
across
so
affordable.
Housing
is
totally
needed
and
I
love
the
church
and
we
fellowship
with
their
church
and,
and
so
this
would
allow
them
to
do
even
more
for
the
community
if
they
had
more
space
and
so
I
just
think
on
the
other
side.
I
just
wanted
to
stand
and
support
of
exploring
and
hopefully
them
being
able
to
progress
forward
with
their
plans.
So
that's
all.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
McCoy
I
saw
two
other
hands,
go
up
the
gentleman
over
here
and
in
the
Northwestern
shirt.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
Sydney
Reed
and
I
do
support
this
development
and
I
do
have
some
a
little.
A
few
concerns
such
as
some
questions.
Tina
brought
up
about
the
Vince
Payton
brought
up
about
the
traffic
and
things
like
that,
but
I'm
all
for
low
having
more
Miller
come
Mill
income
and
low-income
housings
for
the
people's
badly
needed
in
the
city
of
Edison.
The
variance
I
understand.
M
If
you
look
on
Chicago
Avenue,
there
were
a
lot
of
various
done
up
there,
and
also
the
school
is
four
stars
and
with
the
towel.
It
makes
it
five
so
I
I
like
change
and
it
will
go
back
on
the
tax
roll
and
with
and
I,
don't
think
it's
on
the
tax
roll.
M
Now
that
I
know
of
and
those
things
are
important,
so
I
asked
you
ask
you
to
consider
and
then
maybe
the
team,
Reverend,
Williams
and
Mr
kuna
can
answer
some
of
the
questions
about
the
drainage
in
the
parking,
because
parking
is
a
problem,
but
you
got
the
lot
across
the
street
so
and
I
don't
know
if
the
church
is
building
an
underground,
Park
and
I'm.
Not
I
didn't
hear
that.
Thank
you.
R
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
Keith
Banks
I
am
a
affordable
housing
developer
and
Advocate
I'm.
The
executive
director
for
the
Reba
Place
Development
Corporation
I've,
lived
in
Evanston
for
over
28
years.
In
the
second
ward,
however,
I've
been
a
leader
in
the
face-based
community
for
over
20
years.
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
you
know
it.
The
time
is
now
to
approve
a
development
like
this.
It's
a
great
opportunity.
R
I
was
part
of
a
Community
Development
Corporation
15
years
ago
that
had
the
vision
for
which
hodc
is
doing
now,
which
they
tried
to
do
15
years
ago,
and
the
city
wasn't
ready
for
it.
So
the
demand
is
High,
I
mean
there's
over
7
000
units,
affordable
housing
units
needed
now
and
so
to
have
44
units.
It
makes
a
small
dent,
but
it
will
make
a
big
impact
for
low-income
families
that
are
in
desperate
need
of
affordable
housing
that
are
getting
forced
out.
R
They
have
to
move
far
north
suburbs,
Far
West
suburbs,
far
south
suburbs,
in
order
to
find
decent,
safe,
affordable
housing.
Five
stories
is
not
too
tall
because,
based
on
the
economic
scales,
you
can't
build
a
smaller
unit
and
afford
to
be
able
to
do
it
and,
if
we're
giving
for
profit
developers
all
kind
of
bonus
incentives
to
go
up
higher
so
that
they
can
accommodate
for
affordable
housing.
Why
can't
we
give
five
stories
to
an
affordable
housing
developer
where
it's
going
to
be
all
affordable
housing,
so
it
makes
perfect
sense.
R
The
collaborative
that
I
was
a
part
of
was
a
very
diverse
collaborative
the
Evanston
Community
Development
Corporation,
which
was
made
up
of
former
all
the
persons
Dolores
homes,
Fifth
Ward,
former,
all
the
persons
Lionel
Baptiste,
former
police
chief
Bill
Logan,
and
many
many
other
community
leaders
that
all
galvanized
together
that
wanted
to
address
the
redlining
issues
on
church
and
Dodge.
You
know
those
properties
have
been
underdeveloped
and
to
have
a
vacant
lot,
that's
been
there
for
over
30
years
is
really
unacceptable.
So
it's
really
time
the
time
is
now
it's
needed.
It's
necessary!
R
It's
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
Let's
make
this
happen,
I
mean
it's.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
great
project.
It's
going
to
allow
the
church
to
to
expand,
allow
New,
Economic
Development,
which
is
going
to
provide
job
training
jobs
for
the
community.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
good
recipe
to
cure.
A
lot
of
the
eels
like
I,
say
the
total
underdevelopment
of
that
whole
strip
on
Church
Street
from
Daryl
all
the
way
to
I.
Think
it's
a
brown
Avenue.
You
know,
so
this
will
be
a
great
opportunity
to
do
that.
R
J
Yet
this
was
not
directed
towards
the
project
I'm,
just
asking
that
for
future
meetings
with
the
pandemic,
increasing
again
with
covid
I
asked
that
this
meeting
be
hybrid
I,
speak
frequently
about
having
hybrid
meetings,
so
I'm
immune
immune
compromised
and
as
well
as
seniors
and
other
people
that
can't
make
it
to
the
meeting
I
ask
that
I've
been
advocating
that
all
meetings
go
hybrid.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Z
The
primary
tenant
at
1817
church
is
Jackson
LLP
healthcare
lawyers,
so
I
wanted
to
just
introduce
myself
and
speak
to
some
of
what
Ms
naraki
spoke
to
on
the
building's
behalf
and
say
that
the
one
water
issues
for
our
particular
property,
which
is
a
historic
building
and
thus
has
some
limitations
with
modifications
we
can
make
to
it.
We
have
owned
the
building
for
about
a
year
and
a
half,
and
we
have
experienced
significant
water
issues
already
the
only
Ada
access
to
our
building.
That
is
the
way
that
it
was
redeveloped
before
we
bought.
Z
It
is
via
a
ramp
that
Slants
downward
towards
our
back
door
and
less
than
a
year
ago
we
had
to
replace
all
the
hardwood
floors.
On
our
first
floor,
we
already
have
water
issues,
we've
done
other
water
remediation,
so
it
really
is
a
significant
issue
where
we
do
have
water
coming
in
already
that
we're
working
at
our
own
expense,
of
course,
to
try
to
mitigate,
but
it's
something
that
is
a
pre-existing
issue
for
us.
We
are
a
local
small
business.
We
live
here
in
Evanston.
Z
We
are
thrilled
and
humbled
to
be
part
of
the
local
community
and
we
very
much
support
the
spirit
of
affordable
housing
in
the
area,
and
we
very
much
Embrace
that
we
also
very
much
as
a
small
business.
We
we
offer
incentives
to
our
employees
to
also
relocate
to
Evanston.
We
try
to
hire
people
who
are
walking
distance
from
the
office,
so
it
really
is
something
that
is
important
to
us
that
people
be
able
to
afford
to
live
nearby
and
something
we
value.
Z
But
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
introduce
myself
and
say
that
we're
proud
owners
of
the
historic
building,
but
it
has
presented
some
unique
challenges
that
aren't
necessarily
going
to
be
lightly
impacted
by
a
large
development,
including
things
like
parking
for
our
team,
and
we
just
completed
a
remodeling
ourselves
in
our
space
and
such
so
and
I'm.
Happy
to
answer
any
questions
as
I
know.
Mr
Hockey
already
requested
the
continuance,
but
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
evaluate
in
Greater
detail
how
this
might
impact
us.
H
Good
evening
my
name
is
Peter
Isaac
and
I
guess.
My
first
question
is:
if
there's
going
to
be
a
continuance,
I'd
like
to
save
my
comments
for
the
follow-up
meeting,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
are
going
to
deliberate
or
decide
right
now,
we're.
A
A
I
think
I've
got
everybody
in
the
room.
There
were
several
questions.
Several
issues
raised.
We
do
have
a
request
for
a
continuance
that
is
in
the
document
here
that
was
presented
to
us
just
before
the
meeting
commissioner
lindel.
C
U
A
N
So
can
I
start
with
the
one
of
the
questions
that
was
raised
was
the
lack
of
public
meetings
about
this
project?
Can
I
start
with
that?
One
is
that
okay,
yes,
I
have
whatever
order.
You
want
to
take
I
remove
this
from
my
slide,
because
I
didn't
think
it
was
necessary,
but
I
wanted.
The
community
means
for
this
project.
The
latest
iteration
in
my
mind,
started
in
July
of
2019
when
council
member
Ruth
Simmons
held
community
meeting
specifically
regarding
this
site.
N
There
were
additional
War
discussions
in
October
of
2019
regarding
the
site
and
the
City
of
Evanston,
based
on
those
War
discussions.
The
Fifth
Ward
issued
the
RFQ
in
January
of
2020
in
June
of
2020.
The
economic
development
committee
met
to
discuss
proposals
for
the
in
response
to
the
RFP
and
the
economic
development
committee
took
a
vote
and
remember,
recommended
a
partnership
between
hodc
and
mount
biscuit
Ministry
in
December
of
2020..
The
city
council
then
discussed
the
ordinance
in
January
2021
and
approve
the
ordinance
February
8th
in
2021.
N
Based
on
that
long
boring
list
of
dates
we
have
tried
and
the
aldermen
have
tried
and
the
council
members
and
to
make
public
Outreach
we've
tried
to
announce
the
community
there.
There
has
been
opportunity
for
input,
so
the
someone's
saying
there
weren't
any
meetings
about
this
I
I'm
sure
not
not
quite
my
perception
of
how
the
meetings
we've
made
ourselves
as
publicly
available
as
possible.
Regarding
that
regarding
Miss
Payton's
question
about
environmental
clearance,
the
city
actually
has
a
no
further
remediation
ladder
that
was
included
in
the
RFP
that
was
issued.
N
It's
also
in
the
packet
of
information
Pastor
Wilson
can
has
testified
several
times,
including
at
the
most
recent
meeting.
That
he's
personally
saw
the
tanks
being
taken
out
of
the
ground
so
between
the
tanks
being
gone
and
then
no
further
mediation.
The
environmental
cleanup
has
been
cleared
for
the
city's
role.
There
would
be
additional
cleanup
required,
but
that'll
be
part
of
the
construction
project
question
regarding
property
value.
N
We
have
obtained
appraisal
for
a
portion
of
the
property
because
it's
going
to
be
donated
and
estimated
the
appraised
value
of
about
a
million
dollars
for
the
for
the
property
will
the
church
own
the
entire
site?
No,
as
we
explained
the
church
owns,
there
was
the
picture
we
showed
earlier.
There's
the
yellow
rectangle
in
the
red
rectangle.
The
church
will
continue
to
just
own
the
yellow
rectangle.
But
it's
going
to
be
slid
to
the
east.
Hodc
will
own
the
red
rectangle
to
the
west,
and
on
that
property
we
will
pay.
N
As
I
mentioned,
we
will
pay
property
taxes
the
two
projects,
so
we
will
combine
all
the
parcels.
There
are
currently
five
they'll
be
combined
and
resubdivided
to
two
well
known
by
the
church.
One
owned
by
hodc
and
those
will
have
different
pins
hodc
will
not
be
involved
in
building
the
church.
The
church
will
be
responsible
for
the
development
building
the
church.
The
two
projects
are
completely
separate
and
developed
separately.
N
I,
don't
know
if
the
notice
requirements
are.
Somebody
else
can
help
with
that.
The
church
itself
has
discussed
about
the
church
parking
Pastor
Wilson.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
church
a
little
bit
that'd
be
helpful.
P
Currently,
the
church
plan
has
church
parking
spaces
I
think
it's
about
five
guys.
Seven,
seven
Church
spaces
right
in
the
rear
of
the
church
and
I've
already
asked
and
received
permission
to
use
the
Evanston
Township
High
School
South
East
parking
lot
for
on
Sundays
if
we
have
to
and
and
for
any
variations,
because,
usually
that's
where
the
problem
comes
in
with
churches,
not
just
about
Pisgah,
but
all
churches
and
those
variations
of
funerals
and
weddings.
P
The
church
just
directly
chased
north
of
us
is
Bethel
AME,
church
and
I'm
reaching
the
pastor
to
ask.
If,
if
those
situations
happen,
if
they
would
allow
us
to
use
those
parking
lots
on
Saturdays
or
any
other
days
that
they
are
not
using
them,
also
not
the
church,
just
north
of
there
The
Seventh-Day,
Adventist
Church,
who
meets
on
Saturdays
I've,
approached
the
pastor
there
and
I'm
just
waiting
for
him
to
get
back
to
me.
So
those
are
additional
parking
spaces
that
we
would
be
able
to
use
in
case.
We
need
them.
N
So
the
the
staff
member
Flex
was
reminding
me
about
the
the
value
of
the
donation,
part
of
the
reason
that
the
part
of
the
value
in
the
donation
of
the
property
is
that
we're
able
to
generate
State
donation,
tax
credits
from
that
donation
and
that
actually
creates
additional
financing
to
put
into
the
development.
So
there's
a
real
benefit
to
having
that
financing
that
helps
overall,
be
able
to
to
build
the
overall
development.
N
Oh
regarding
the
wait
list
and
preferences,
we've
been
very
clear
and
discussed
this
at
public
meetings
about
the
idea
of
preferences.
Federal,
fair
housing
law
doesn't
allow
it.
We
are
asking
specifically
to
allow
that
we'll
comply
with
the
law,
says
we'll
comply
with
the
state
agencies
say
it's
not
a
ruse.
We
are
honestly
asking,
but
we
have
to
comply
with
the
law
and
so
we're
requesting
that
preferences
be
allowed.
Our
experience
is
that
the
people
who
live
in
our
buildings
are
people
who
tend
to
live
around
the
properties.
N
There's
a
concentric,
a
reach
for
folks
who
are
interested
in
the
properties.
People
who
live
in
town
will
be
the
first
ones
to
find
out
about
it.
They'll
be
the
ones
who
priority
primarily
on
the
wait
list
and
who
are
interested
in
primarily
and
living
there.
So
that's
been
our
historic
experience
with
people
living
in
the
properties
that
we
'd
meet
any
other
questions.
That
I
may
have
skipped.
N
Requires
going
to
the
glasses
one
bedroom
units
about
670
between
6
640
and
670,
two
bedrooms
from
782
to
908
and
three
bedrooms
from
1053
to
1150..
A
Okay
and
then
there
was
a
question
about
hiring
minority
complying
with
the
city's
minority.
D
What
is
the
mix
of
the
at
one
two
three
bedrooms?
How
many
of
each
type
do
you
know.
G
Yeah
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
appropriate
to
ask,
but
you
said
that
the
church
project
and
the
housing
project
are
two
separate
projects.
That
means
they're
financed
totally
separately
and
there's
no
one
helps
the
other.
In
that
way,
correct
did
you
consider
people
have
spoken
about,
and
we
certainly
agree
that
affordable
housing
is
needed
in
Evanston,
but
is
the
church?
Does
the
church
need
to
be
part
of
this
project?
G
N
I
mean
the
church
is
an
integral
part
of
the
neighborhood.
It's
an
integral
part
of
the
project
and
the
proposal
to
change
I
mean
you're
right.
It's
hard
to
answer
that
I
I
I.
Are
you
asking
do
I
want
to
kick
the
church
out
and
just
take
over
the
entire
lot?
No
I
mean
the
church
is
an
important
part
piece
of
this,
but
yeah
it's.
If
we
had
more
land,
we
could
do
a
different
development,
but
having
the
church,
there
is
really
important
to
the
neighborhood.
No.
G
I
understand
that
and
and
the
petitioner
for
the
extension
time
extension
is,
is
asking
for
more
discussions
and
more
discussions
to
me
would
mean
hey
how
about
considering
some
other
options
here.
That
may
be
radical
to
you,
but
they
may
allow
you
to
pursue
this
project.
N
N
A
Okay
other
questions
for
Mr
Cronin
at
this
particular
moment.
If
not,
could.
A
O
A
A
Discussion
on
alternatives
and
presenting
testimony
there's
been
a
request
for
a
three-month
continuance.
I,
don't
know
that
we've
ever
granted
a
three-month
continuance
for
a
project
like
this.
That
to
me
seems
a
little
long.
P
In
our
building
since
1987.
and
tonight
was
the
first
time
that
I've
seen
our
neighbor
and
that
and
and
we
had
a
meeting
at
the
corner
which,
at
the
building
called
buku,
we
had
a.
We
had
two
meetings
there
and
we
had
two
at
the
church
and
I've
never
seen
them
there.
So
if
they
want
to
have
more
continuance
because
they
they
didn't
get
a
chance
to
have
to
have
any
input,
it
doesn't
seem
that
that's
fair
to
say
that
not
just
all
I
want
to
say
all.
A
D
O
So
the
application
would
have
been
posed.
D
N
We've
provided
the
elevations
and
this
General
description
of
this
project
for
the
past
year
and
a
half
at
least
18
months,
we've
put
together
large
storyboards
that
were
put
out
in
public
in
areas
out
at
Fleetwood,
Jordan
out
at
the
Lighthouse,
so
that
if
people
came
in,
we
could
they're
sort
of
published
just
publicly
out
there
and
available.
You
know
large
size
poster
boards.
People
could
see
those
but
the
other
than
the
fine
detailing
these
particular
plans
have
been
out
in
public
at
all
those
public
meetings
for
at
least
last
year
and
a
half.
N
N
You
know
the
projecting
balconies
out
on
the
front
we
added
the
rooftop
deck,
so
the
rooftop
deck
and
the
balconies
wasn't
on
the
plans
from
years
ago.
I
think
there
were
Planters
on
the
original
plan
a
year
ago.
So
those
sort
of
things
those
enhancements
have
continued
to
add
value.
Based
on
the
conversation
in
the
comments
that
we've
gotten
from
people.
N
Yeah
they
both
come
along
together.
We've
been
doing
this
hand
in
hand
throughout
the
entire
time,
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
side
of
the
elevations
that
we've
had
they've
both
always
had
those
because
the
cities
have
their
plans,
I
mean
they
had
a
version
of
their
plans
on
their
website.
Earl
prior
to
2022,
when
the
city
did
the
RFQ.
C
N
C
N
D
Understood
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
if
giving
people
a
little
more
time
would
help
them
understand
the
plans
which
aren't
necessarily
all
that
clear
to
someone
who
may
not
be
used
to
looking
at
architectural
plants
setbacks.
Things
like
that
are
sometimes
a
little
hard
to
figure
out.
So
thank
you.
Z
I
did
want
to
say
a
member
of
our
firm
was
at
the
most
recent
meeting
that
the
pastor
held
at
his
church.
We
attend
monthly
local
Business,
Association
meetings
and
we've
also
kept
a
very
close
eye
on
the
city's
website,
focused
on
this
development
and
I.
Think
that
was
part
of
potentially
confusion
about
what
news
was
about
the
development,
because
there
are
not
recent
updates,
so
it
I
think
the
most
recent
update
is
well
over
a
year
old.
A
What
what
are
commissioner's
thoughts
on
the
granting
of
a
continuance
I
would
in
no
way
Grant
a
three-month
continuance.
I
think
that
is
excessive
for
a
request
for
materials
that
have
been
maybe
not
in
their
final
iteration,
but
have
been
out
in
the
public.
Discussions
have
been
occurring,
commissioner
Hallock
yeah.
G
I
think
it's
a
this
is
a
big
important
project,
very
significant
project
and
also
it's
a
significant
ask
so
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
whatever
the
arguments
are
back
and
forth.
I
just
think
because
of
its
significance,
it's
appropriate
to
to
Grant
a
continuance,
not
three
months
Maybe,
maybe
a
month
six
weeks,
something
in
that
order.
A
A
So
that
is
basically
one
month
almost
a
month
and
what's
the
meeting
after
that,
I'm
getting
a
no,
no
shaking
no
heads
from
that.
A
So
my
inclination
would
be
to
continue
this
until
our
February
8th
meeting
to
allow
that
allows
almost
four
weeks
for
discussion
between
the
developer,
the
church
and
some
of
the
neighbors
I
will
also
just
remind
everyone
that
when
we
Grant
a
continuance,
no
additional
notifications
are
mailed
out,
because
my
stating
this
and
and
we
approving
it
to
a
certain
date
is
the
public
notice.
A
So
no
one
will
get
new
postcards
on
this
because
I
to
clarify
that,
because
people
come
back
and
say
well,
it
was
continued
and
I
didn't
get
a
postcard.
You
will
not
get
a
postcard
mailed
to
you.
A
All
right,
someone
might
want
to
make
a
motion
as
such,
and
we
would
be
continuing
both
of
these
cases.
So
please
include
both
of
them
into
the
request
for
continuance.
C
Okay,
I
move
that
we
continue
the
1801
to
1805,
Church,
Street,
special
use
and
major
variations
case,
22z
mjv-0089
and
1811
to
15
Church
Street
major
variations
case
number
22z
mjv-0092
to
the
February
8th
land
use
commission
meeting.
A
It's
been
moved
by
lindwald
and
I
heard
Westerberg
with
the
second.
Is
there
any
further
discussion,
anything
from
Steph
that
you
want
to
throw
in
before
we.
A
Know
if
there
are
things
I
mean
my
personal
and
I,
don't
I'll
speak
personally
and
then
everyone
else
can
sort
of
chime
in
I
mean
I.
Think
there
needs
to
be
a
public
meeting
of
some
sort
and
I
see
you
shaking
yeah
I,
see
your
your
deflation
going
on
there,
but
I
think
that's
what
we
need
at
this
particular
moment
in
order
to
get
some
of
these
questions
answered
I,
don't
know
that
I
think
there
are
things
that
we
need.
Question
wise,
but
I
think
our
stuff
is
all
pretty
straightforward.
A
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
discussion
between
the
developer,
the
church
and
the
neighborhood,
and
then
they
need
to
come
to
us
with
some
more
agreement,
so
at
least
everybody's
on
the
same
page,
because
what
I'm
hearing
is
people
are
not
on
the
same
page
and
I'm,
not
faulting.
Anyone
for
that
I
know.
Quite
often
we
get
people
who
show
up
because
people
aren't
keeping
track
of
what's
going
on.
A
They
think
they
are
but
sometimes
times
things
just
fall
through
the
cracks
I
get
about
20
emails
a
week
from
the
City
of
Evanston
I.
Think
so
I
would
just
like
to
see
some
discussion
occur
between
them.
This
is
not
a
typical
continuance
in
the
way
that
we
grant
them
where
it's
on
a
specific
issue,
but
I,
don't
think,
there's
one
specific
issue.
That's
that's
the
sticking
point
here.
I
think
it's
kind
of
the
overall
getting
everybody
on
the
same
page,
I.
C
Think
in
part,
it
has
to
do
in
my
mind,
I
think
that
the
issues
related
to
storm
water,
detention
and
drainage,
and
particularly
the
lot
coverage
for
the
apartment,
the
residential
portion
of
this
and
particularly
they'll.
You
know,
Building
100
percent
of
the
covering
almost
100
percent
of
the
lot
is
something
that
I
think
should
be
discussed
with
the
neighbors,
and
you
know,
I
will
be
asking
questions
about
that
when
this
does
come
back,
can.
G
I
just
make
a
comment
on
that,
and
this
is
that
my
I
have
experience
in
Chicago
on
this
issue,
and
Chicago
has
100
lot
coverage
a
lot
and
it's
you
provide
detention,
you
provide
a
lot
of
detention
and
so
it
and
it's
released
in
a
slow
rate
into
the
solar
system
and
and
that
works
so
I
don't
see
I'm
just
saying
I,
don't
see
that
as
an
issue,
I
think
it
can
be
solved
technically.
I.
C
C
A
All
right,
I
know
I
it's
difficult,
but
I
think
this
is
a
major
project
in
this
neighborhood
and
I
have
the
feeling
that
there
are
some
gaps
in
communication
again:
I'm,
not
faulting,
anyone
for
that,
be
it
from
the
city.
Neighbors
developer,
the
church,
anybody,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
I'd
like
everybody
to
at
least
get
together
one
more
time
and
talk
so
that
when
we
come
back
we're
all
talking
from
the
same
page,
at
least
so
there
is
a
motion
by
commissioner
lindwell
seconded
by
commissioner
Westerberg.
B
A
So,
by
a
vote
of
five
to
zero,
the
matter
will
be
continued
until
our
February,
8th
meeting
and
again
I
will
reiterate
to
everyone.
There
will
not
be
another
postcard
coming
out,
so
do
put
that
on
your
calendars
now,
so
that,
if
you
want
to
show
up
again,
that's
when
you
will
be
here
I
would
ask
that
those
of
you
who
have
spoken
tonight.
If
you
want
to
speak
again,
I
will
allow
it
at
that
meeting,
which
we
typically
do
not
do.
A
But
I
will
ask
you
to
be
succinct
in
your
in
your
conversations.
I
do
not
want
to
to
kind
of
rehash
ground
we've
covered
tonight
already,
so
with
that
this
matter
is
continued
until
our
February
8th
meeting.
Those
are
the
items
that
we
do
have
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
In
terms
of
cases,
I
will
now
go
back
to
the
items
which
are
some
of
our
housekeeping
things,
which
are
election
of
commission
officers.
A
Zoning
committee
members
plan
committee
members
and
our
planned
steering
committee
chair
I
would
like
to
hold
off
on
the
the
placing
of
committees
until
we
have
a
more
constituted
board,
since
we
only
have
five
of
the
nine
present
tonight,
but
we
can
go
ahead
and
elect
officers
this
evening.
So
with
that.
The
first
item
is
the
election
of
a
land
use
commission,
chair.
C
A
D
A
505
to
zero
I
will
be
returning.
As
the
commission
chair,
the
we
have
a
vice
chair.
Also,
commissioner
Patel
has
served
as
our
vice
chair
the
past
year.
He
has
offered
to
do
it
again.
I
believe
was
the
communication
that
I
received,
so
I
would
put
him
into
nomination.
Oh.
A
D
A
So,
with
a
vote
of
five
to
zero,
we
will
have
commissioner
Patel
serve
as
Vice
chair.
A
We
will
be
skipping
the
the
placement
of
committee
members
at
this
particular
moment
and
going
to
the
election
of
a
comprehensive
plan.
Steering
committee
chair
I
believe
that
commissioner
lindwall
has
served
in
this
in
this
capacity
and
hasn't
really
gotten
to
do
much
of.
A
We've
not
been
there
so
I
would
put
into
nomination
and
commissioner
lindwall
to
be
the
steering
committee
chair
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
A
C
A
Schedule,
oh
sorry,
forgot
I'd,
move
that
as
well
the
adoption
of
the
meeting
schedule
there
is
a
calendar
place
before
us.
We
have
to
sort
of
agree
on
what
our
annual
meeting
schedule
will
be,
and
so
these
are
the
dates
that
I
I'm,
assuming
staff,
has
checked
these
against
all
holidays
for
major
religions
of
all
types
I
know
sometimes
October
September
we
run
into
Jewish
holidays,
but
I'm
guessing
that
they've
checked
on
those
I
did
not
so
the
the
calendar
that's
been
placed
before
us.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adopt
it.
A
Move
by
Westerberg.
D
D
A
AA
AA
So
recently,
staff
Has
Come
Together
pulled
together
some
key
elements
that
we
intend
to
recommend
and
kind
of
bring
around
to
various
boards
commissions
committees
to
review
how
to
finalizing
making
sure
that
we're
covering
all
of
our
bases
so
more
to
come
on
that
we're
working
on
the
details
of
that
coordination
with
the
various
committees
that
have
purview
over
the
comprehensive
plan.
AA
In
addition,
we've
met
with
the
mayor
to
get
some
feedback
on
the
initial
draft
as
well.
So
he
is
supportive
of
kind
of
the
approach
moving
forward
so
more
to
come.
AA
I'm
not
prepared
yet
to
put
a
date
on
it,
just
given
where
we're
at
we're
wise.
AA
Oh
it
is
the
top
priority
of
our
department
and
there's
a
lot
of
focus
and
emphasis
in
wanting
to
get
this
off
the
ground,
so
I
would
say,
probably
in
the
next
couple
months,
we'll
have
some
more
Communications
on
it
and
then
you
know.
Hopefully
our
goal
is
to
hit
the
streets
with
that
RFP.
You
know
well.
A
I
will
remind
everyone
that
we've
had
at
least
I've
gotten
billions
of
little
Ser
or
little
things.
I've
had
to
do:
ethics,
wise
and
Financial
disclosure,
wise
and
all
of
that
sort
of
stuff.
So
make
sure
that
you
are
all
current
on
that
I.
G
Have
a
question
on
that
there
in
your
email
there
was
another
form
that
I
didn't
get,
and
you
said
it
was
going
to
be
sent
by
someone
else
and
I
can't
even
remember
who
or
what.
But
it
was
not
the
the
open
open
meetings
act.
It
was
something
else.
G
Y
Soul
in
city
clerk's
office,
he
has
sent
a
few
things
separately,
as
my
understanding
I,
don't
think
I've
been
copied
necessarily.
AA
D
Yes,
I
had
a
question
for
staff.
The
Masonic
Temple
Project
that
we
voted
on
to
recommend
did
go
to
city,
council
and
I.
Understand
that
one
of
our
recommendations,
which
was
to
include
I,
think
five
more
parking
spaces
for
the
first
two
years
was
something
you
circled
around
and
said.
We
do
not
recommend
this
to
the
city
council.
D
I
can
understand.
There
are
different
points
of
view
on
that.
My
only
question
is
when
you
change
or
alter
a
recommendation
from
this
group.
Do
you,
or
are
you
expected
to
communicate
that
to
us
before
the
city
council
meeting?
Do
you
know
what
the
rules
or
regulations
are
on
that
I'd
be
curious
to
know
it's
just?
It
would
be
helpful
to
know
that
that
change
is
being
made
before
it
goes
to
the
council.
AA
My
understanding
is
that
hasn't
been
how
staff
has
approached
it
in
past
practice,
but
your
suggestion
is
noted
and
we
can
you
know,
work
internally
to
figure
out
the
best
path
for
that
communication.
Moving
forward
in
our
recommendation
to
these
city
council,
we
did
note
the
planning
commission's
recommendation.
D
Understood
and
I
I
I
read
that,
and
it
was
good
that
you
detailed
out
the
way
you
did
I
think
it's
just
just
a
courtesy
would
be
nice
to
know
that.
A
The
last
thing
that
I
would
do
before
we
moved
to
adjournment
is
I
will
make
a
referral
to
staff
that
we
look
at
our
definition
of
an
apartment
Hotel
and
make
adjustments
as
necessary.
Based
on
the
discussion
that
you
heard
from
us
this
evening,
so
that
we
don't
have
these
gray
areas
and
it
can
be
included
in
our
next
Omnibus
because
I
doubt
if
we're
going
to
get
a
slew
of
apartment
hotels
in
the
next
few
months,
but
just
to
help
clarify
what
is
that
exactly.
A
Yeah
anything
else
to
bring
before
the
board
hearing
nothing.
There
is
no
public
here
to
comment.
I
will
entertain
a
motion
for
adjournment.