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A
B
A
This
is
the
January
25th
2023
public
hearing
of
the
land
use
commission.
The
city
code
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
map
and
text
amendments
special
uses,
including
plan
developments,
zoning
relief
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
zoning
administrator,
as
well
as
to
make
recommendations
regarding
the
city's
long-term
planning
goals
and
objectives
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
commission
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
city
council
Ms
Jones.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
D
A
With
eight
members
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
also
present
tonight
from
City
staff,
our
neighborhood
and
land
use,
planner,
Megan,
Jones,
planner,
Katie,
ashbaugh
assistant,
City
attorney
Brian
George
and
planning
manager,
Liz
Williams.
This
is
a
formal
hearing
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
may
be
recorded
accurately.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
regarding
any
matter
on
tonight's
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
in
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant.
After
that
person's
wishing
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
will
have
a
chance
to
do
so.
Any
person
with
a
legal
interest
and
property
located
within
the
defined
notification
requirements
of
the
subject,
property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
questioned,
Witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
We're
all
supporting
an
opposing
testimony
in
the
statements
have
been
heard.
The
applicant
or
repellent
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
commission
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations
to
consider
the
standards.
The
commission
will
make
formal
findings
a
fact,
based
on
the
testimony
and
evidence
presented
Guided
by
the
standards,
the
commissioner's
knowledge
of
our
community
and
the
recommendations
of
staff.
All
testimony
is
taken
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
to
the
proposal
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
contained
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
corresponding
staff
memorandum.
A
When
testifying,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
on
the
public
sign-in
sheet,
our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you're
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded,
all
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
We
have
two
items
on
our
agenda
this
evening
is
the
applicant
for
2311
Prospect
Avenue
present.
Thank
you
and
2201
Oakton.
A
A
Has
anybody?
Has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
look
through
those
and
are
there
any
edits
changes
that
need
to
be
made?
Commissioner,.
E
I
have
one
it's
on
page
four
of
1733
Oakton,
which
is
the
second
project
under
deliberations.
E
G
A
Second,
about
commissioner
Westerberg
any
further
discussion
hearing,
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
I.
A
We
have
three
abstentions
down
here
and
five
eyes,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
with
that,
edit.
That
commissioner
halek
pointed
out
now
we'll
move
into
the
business
on
tonight's
agenda,
the
first
being
the
matter
of
2311
Prospect,
Avenue,
22,
zmjv,
0098,
I,
don't
know
whose
project
this
is.
Commissioner,
Miss
ashbaugh.
H
David
S
house
and
Ruth
b,
Rosenthal
Property
Owners
request
a
major
variation
from
section
6828
A3
of
the
Evanston
zoning
code
to
allow
an
interior
side
yard
of
two
feet:
nine
inches
where
an
interior
side
out
of
five
feet
is
required
along
the
north
interior
side,
Lot
line
to
allow
for
an
addition
to
an
existing
single-family
home
located
on
property,
commonly
known
as
2311
Prospect,
Avenue
Evanston
and
the
R1
single
family
residential
district.
H
H
A
You
Miss
ashbaugh.
Would
the
applicant
like
to
come
up
please
to
the
lectern
and
introduce
yourself
to
us
actually
before
you
begin
I
need
to
swear
everybody
in
so
anybody
who
may
be
speaking
tonight
on
any
matter?
If
you
please
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
we're
firm
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
course
of
these
proceedings.
I
I
Ahead,
please,
okay,
my
name
is
Ruth
Rosenthal
and
I'm
owner
with
my
husband,
David
house,
who
is
out
of
town
for
work.
So
that's.
Why
he's
not
here
anyway,
we
own
2311
Prospect,
my
our
daughter
and
her
husband
in
a
brand
new
six-week-old
baby,
now
live
there
and
have
lived
there
since
2014.
I
we,
my
daughter
when
she
got
pregnant
in
April,
we
decided
to
do
more
work
on
the
house.
Have
it
all
ready
for
the
baby.
One
of
the
things
we
had
never
done
is
address
the
issue
of
the
garage.
The
garage
is
a
one-car
garage
on
the
north
side
of
the
house.
It's
a
one
story
and
because
the
house
was
built
in
I
think
it
was
1928
cars
weren't
the
size
that
they
are
now
so
you
can
drive
the
car
in,
but
you
can't
get
out
of
it.
I
You
know
you
couldn't
open
the
doors,
let
alone
take
a
baby
in
and
out,
or
something
like
that.
So
we
would
like
to
just
extend
the
side.
You
know
rebuild
it,
but
extend
the
side
which
needs
the
variance
because
we'd
be
closer
to
the
lot
line
of
the
north
neighbors.
Okay.
So
that's
why
we've
applied
for
that.
I
We
would
like
consideration
given
to
the
fact
that
the
garage
enters
the
house
part
way
down
the
staircase
to
the
basement,
so
it
doesn't
enter
the
house
at
the
house.
So
to
use
it
as
a
room
is
a
kind
of
odd
configuration,
you'd
be
going
down
to
the
basement
and
then
veering
off
so
it'd
be
nice
to
have
it,
as
the
original
structure
was
built,
we'd
like
to
keep
the
Integrity
of
the
structure,
the
other
you
know,
concerns
are.
I
If
we
had
to
put
a
two-car
garage
in
the
back,
it
would
eat
up
a
lot
of
the
yard.
There's
a
beautiful
old
maple
tree
that
would
have
to
come
down
to
accommodate
it
and
another
very
important
more
than
that
important
issue
is
so
two
years
ago
my
daughter
was
diagnosed
with
chronic
fatigue
syndrome
and
fibromyalgia
when
she
was
36
weeks
pregnant.
She
got
diagnosed
with
two
types
of
breast
cancer
and
is
currently
undergoing
chemo.
So
she's
had
Mobility
problems
for
the
last
couple
years.
She
had
to
leave
her
job
at
the
end
of
June.
I
She
hopes
to
go
back
to
work
and
do
something
through
a
you
know:
remote
access
kind
of
job,
but
she
does
have
trouble
getting
around
and
now
having
the
baby
and
now
having
chemo
it's
just
like
Factor,
compounded
on
Factor,
so
I
guess
these
for
us
are
the
biggest
concerns
and
reasons
why
we
would
like
the
variants
and
I
know
that
our
well
supposedly
her
neighbor
told
her
that
they
don't
oppose
it
and
supposedly
she
sent
I
mean
I,
don't
know
because
I
haven't
seen
anything
or
doctor,
but
supposedly
she
sent
in
some
sort
of
comment.
I
A
Think
that's
the
comment
we
all
received
earlier
today:
yeah,
so,
okay,
some
other
questions
for
Ms
Rosenthal,
commissioner
Westerberg.
I
A
Other
other
questions
just
to
get
this
in
the
record.
Is
there
an
alley?
There
is
an
alley
behind
the.
E
Just
another
question
related
to
that
I
thought
you
were
explained
this,
but
maybe
not!
Oh,
when
you
said
the
garage
was
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
main
level
of
the
house.
If,
if
you,
if
you
raise
the
level
of
the
garage,
if
you
did
the
garage
in
the
back.
I
B
I
E
I
A
And
it
looks
like
if
I'm
interpreting
your
architect's
drawings
correctly,
it
looks
like
you'll
be
what
material
will
be
used
for
the
garage.
I
G
J
I
have
a
question
part
of
the
one
of
the
priorities
of
the
city
for
in
their
current
comprehensive
plan,
is
to
reduce
curb
cuts,
and
it
seems,
like
your
property,
is
one
of
the
only
ones
in
that
block.
That
has
a
has
the
driveway
in
front
and
therefore
a
curb
cut
in
front
creating
another
point
of
intersection
between
traffic
and
pedestrians.
J
I'm
I'm
curious.
How
much
we've
actually
explored
the
idea
of
this
being
an
opportunity
to
improve
the
space
by
reducing
by
getting
rid
of
the
curb
cut
and
going
and
having
the
garage
in
the
alley.
It
also
seems
like,
based
on
the
aerial
photos
that
most
the
properties
all
surrounding
you
all
do
use
the
alley
with
a
detached
garage.
So
it
doesn't
seem
like
your
configuration
would
be
by
that
you
putting
a
garage
in
the
back
would
be
out
of
the
norm
for
the
area.
No.
A
H
G
A
G
Last
one,
your
neighbor
just
indicated
a
concern
to
make
sure
that
neither
the
tree
nor
their
Foundation,
which
is
close
to
you,
gets
damaged
and
I
assume.
You
will
be.
I
H
I
We're
not
going
to
be
close
enough
if
you
well
I,
don't
know
what
you
can
see
from
the
diagrams.
But
if
you
look,
the
two
houses
are
far
enough
apart
that
we're
really
not
going
to
be
that
close
to
their
actual
house.
So
no
we're
not
going
to
touch
anything
that
there's
and
we
have
no
intention
of
doing
that.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
A
Will
close
the
record
then
and
begin
our
deliberation
due
to
lack
of
questions
from
some
Commissioners
I
think
they
kind
of
know
where
they
want
to
go
with
this,
but
I'll
ask
if
anybody
has
any
particular
thoughts,
they'd
like
to
share.
B
I
I
am
a
neighbor,
actually,
I
live
three
blocks
away
and
I
passed
this
house
every
morning
during
my
work
enjoying
so
my
concern
was
about
Shadow
because
this
buildings
on
the
south
side
of
the
neighbors
but
I
carefully
looked
at
it.
The
extension
of
a
garage
will
not
affect
how
much
light
comes
to
the
north,
neighbor,
so
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
project.
Besides,
it
will
look
even
better
with
the
masonry
and
how
it
attaches
to
the
house
so
I'm
in
favor.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else,
if
not,
we
do
have
a
set
of
standards
that
we
have
to
find
our
met.
There
are
seven
standards
for
a
major
variation,
which
is
what
this
request
is
the
first
one
being
the
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
and
property
values
of
adjoining
properties
we've
heard
from
the
neighbor.
That
would
be
most
impacted
by
this,
that
they
believe
that
this
is
a
a
a
decent
project
as
long
as
their
tree
and
water
issues
are
are
taken.
A
Care
of
and
I
have
no
reason
to
believe
any
differently,
and
commissioner
Marion
Chef
also
mentioned
that
the
the
neighbor
is
situated
on
the
North.
So,
therefore,
any
potential
of
blocking
light
does
not
seem
to
be
a
reality,
so
the
standard
is
met.
Number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
The
zoning
ordinance
does
allow
for
the
approval
and
changes
to
properties,
as
the
applicant
themselves
said
when
the
garage
was
added
at
some
point
after
the
initial
construction
of
the
house,
the
car
that
was
meant
to
fit
in
it
is
not
a
typical
car
from
today's
standards,
so
adding
a
request
to
enlarge
the
garage
in
its
existing
location.
To
make
it
a
usable
garage
seems
reasonable
to
me
and
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
The
alleged
hardship
for
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
The
garage
is
located
in
its
current
situation,
probably
built
before
the
current
zoning
ordinances
were
in
place,
which
dictated
some
of
our
current
setbacks
and
everything.
The
fact
that
it's
it's
being
replaced
with
something
that
is
more
usable
today
again
I
feel
that
the
the
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property
because
of
where
this
particular
garage
is
located.
A
A
If
we
carried
out
the
strict
regulations,
I
believe
we'd
be
making
a
smaller
garage,
potentially,
which
would
create
a
bigger
hardship
for
the
for
the
homeowner,
and
that
is
not
what's
being
sought
here.
So
I
believe
that
standard
isn't
that
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income.
A
This
I,
don't
believe,
is
a
matter
in
this
particular
case.
They
aren't
going
to
be
renting.
The
garage
it'll
be
used
by
the
homeowner,
which
is
a
member
of
their
family
or
the
the
resident,
which
is
a
member
of
their
family
number.
Six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
a
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
A
We
heard
testimony
that
this
house
has
been
altered
a
couple
times
in
its
history,
with
the
addition
on
the
back,
and
obviously
this
is
not
an
original
garage
is
my
guess,
based
on
the
fact
that
it's
built
from
different
materials,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
land
use.
Commission.
The
request
is
to
replace
something
basically
almost
in
kind,
but
make
it
usable
as
opposed
to
what
is
currently
there.
A
F
Sure
I
move
a
approval
of
the
variations
requested
for
2311
Prospect
Avenue
case
number,
22
zmv,
ZM
jv-0098.
C
A
A
H
Yes,
Daniel
Grove
licensed
landscape,
architect
and
aicp
certified
of
Kimberly
horn
and
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner.
The
Home
Depot
requests
a
special
use
permit
to
allow
for
outdoor
storage
and
open
and
open
sales
on
the
property
located
at
2201
Oakton
Street
in
the
iwan
industrial
slash
office
district
and
the
ORD
Redevelopment
overlay
District.
The
applicant
also
requests
two
major
variations
from
the
Evanston
zoning
code
to
allow
for
the
proposed
outdoor
storage
to
be
located
in
the
front
yard
where
outdoor
storage
is
prohibited.
Section.
H
6-14-1-8
A
and
to
not
screen
the
proposed
outdoor
storage.
We're
screening
on
all
sides
by
an
eight
foot.
Tall
solid
fence
is
required
on
Section
6-14-1-8
B.
The
land
use
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council,
the
determining
body
for
this
case,
in
accordance
with
zoning
code,
section
6,
Dash,
3-5-9
and
ordinance
92021.
A
Thank
you,
the
applicant,
if
you'd
like
to
step
up
to
the
lectern,
please
and
begin
by
giving
us
your
name
and
address.
Thank.
K
You,
my
name
is
Daniel
Grove
4201,
Winfield,
Road,
Warrenville,
Illinois,.
K
So
these
are
all
things
that
don't
fit
within
the
store
or
are
seasonal,
they're
out
on
display
for
the
benefit
of
the
customers,
and
so
with
that,
in
talking
with
staff,
the
goal
was
to
clean
up.
You
know
the
kind
of
the
regulations
around
the
zoning
around
the
the
site
with
the
with
the
special
use
and
major
variations
in
the
discussion
with
staff,
because
it
you
know,
there's
no
opportunity
to
put
these
in
the
side
yards.
We
only
have
the
parking
lot
in
the
front
yard.
K
The
discussion
with
staff
was
to
locate
these
areas
at
the
extreme
sides
of
the
parking
lot.
We
worked
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
we
were
still
we
weren't
taking
up
more
parking
spaces
that
would
cause
us
to
be
below
the
requirements.
So
we
are
at
404
spaces
and
it's
395
spaces
required
based
on
the
square
footage
of
the
building,
and
so
the
goal
is
just
to
kind
of
formalize
and
clean
up
where
these
these
rentals
are
happening.
Or
this,
the
garden
center
activities
are
happening
and
and
just
have
that
clearly
defined
for
the
future.
A
When
you
say
large
rental,
what
exactly
are
you
talking
about.
K
It's
you
know,
a
variety
of
I
mean
so
there's
there's
the
you
know:
trucks
and
trailers,
you
know
moving
trucks
and
trailers,
and
then
it
may
include
some
of
you
know
things
like
a
like
a
small
backhoe.
K
A
Okay
and
those
things
will
be
so
I
go
here
all
the
time
to
this
parking
part
of
this
area
because
of
Aldi
and
PetSmart
being
there
as
well.
A
The
large
rentals
is
the
thing
that
kind
of
concerns
me,
because
it's
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
parking
lot
it's
on
the
edge
of
your
parking
lot,
but
it's
kind
of
right
as
you
pull
in
in
the
parking
lot.
Was
there
consideration
about
maybe
trying
to
find
someplace
different
for
that
or
switching
like
shed
displays
over
by
the
gardening
center.
So
you
could
move
that
stuff
further
back
on
the
property.
A
So
was
there
any
consideration
to
kind
of
rearranging
some
of
that
stuff?
Or
was
this
kind
of
the
plan?
And
this
was
the
plan
you
went
with
this.
K
In
the
drive
I
would
I
would
need
to
talk
to
you
know
the
store
manager.
I,
don't
see
an
issue
with
moving
the
the
sheds
and
and
trying
to
bring
that
bring
that
area
back
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
an
issue.
I
think
the
garden
center
is
the
most
kind
of
locationally
based
item.
I.
Think
that
the
large
tool
like
the
large
rentals
does
want
to
stay
somewhere
on
that
east
side
because
of
their
tool,
rental
tool.
K
So
any
you
know
if
there
was
a
preferred
configuration
I
think
that
they
would
likely
be
open
to
it,
but
I
would
need
to
confirm
with
them.
Okay,.
J
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
What
is
the,
what
is
the
stated
purpose
of
the
like
of
the
fencing
requirement?
Is
it
for
security?
Is
it
for
pedestrian
flow?
What
is
it.
H
I
would
imagine
that
it
was
in
tended
more
for
truly
industrial
properties
where
there's
manufacturing
or
some
sort
of
other
or
outdoor
storage
occurring
some
like
the
properties
to
the
north
of
this
particular
site.
It
just
happens
that
this
is
a
more
of
a
retail
Center
in
an
eye
District.
A
It
also
is
used
heavily
for
screening
of
properties
from
each
other,
but
it's
odd
because
this
is
an
industrial
that
has
full
Frontage
on
Oakton.
That
is
a
retail
space
as
well.
If
it
were
manufacturing
of
some
sort,
having
a
fence
across
there
would
make
sense,
but
with
it
being
retail,
it's
a
little
different.
H
I
would
and
I
honestly
with
the
configuration
of
the
property
lines.
It
would
be
the
fencing
and
the
relationship
with
the
property
to
the
east
I
think
the
location
of
a
fence
of
that
height
or
a
fence
at
all
would
be
kind
of
would
encumber
the
rest.
How
the
rest
of
the
whole
layout
functions
with
cross
access.
G
H
When
I
went
to
the
site
to
post
the
signs,
I
can
say
that
they
were
pretty
far
set
back
from
Oakton
and
then
there's
a
steak
and
shake
also
at
the
front,
and
it's
really
it's
really
kind
of
set
back.
In
my
opinion
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
Shrubbery,
that's
there
currently
so
I
I
don't
feel
that
screening
is
necessary
here
for
the
rental
vehicles.
D
Hugo
just
a
question
for
clarification,
just
to
understand
the
activities
for
which
the
special
use
permit
and
the
two
major
variations,
the
activities
that
for
which
you're
seeking
these
things
have
been
going
on
for
years,
so
you've
been
in
non-conforming
status
for
for
a
number
of
years
for
these
activities.
That's.
H
So
that's
a
great
question:
I
think
that
over
time
the
Home
Depot
has
probably
evolved
their
practices
and
people
go
there
and
frequent
there.
So
I
would
imagine
that
it
was
a
little
bit
of
scope
creep
on
their
part
and
then
in
terms
of
how
the
city
became
aware
of
it.
It's
my
understanding
that
a
prior
prior
council
member
and
had
contacted
staff
about
it
and
Daniel
had
been
working
with
Sony
administrator,
Melissa
klotz
with
getting
everything
in
about
a
year
ago,
and
we're
now
kind
of
at
that
point
of.
H
We
know
what
they're
they
they
did,
update
their
plans,
for
example,
to
show
the
largest
possible
that
they
will
plan
to
do
for
the
garden
center
and
then
I
think
there
might
be
also
expanding
a
little
bit
of
their
truck
rental,
so
that
this
was
an
effort
to
to
your
point,
get
it
into
compliance
now,
since
they
are
expanding
the
use
more
noticeably
and
it
was
on
the
radar
of
elected
officials.
F
Yeah,
when
I
was
out
looking
at
the
site
a
few
days
ago,
I'm
in
the
the
trucks
are
were
kind
of
like
all
over,
so
is
the
intent
to
you
know
kind
of
Define
them
in
a
in
a
single
row
as
it
were,
because
that
that
you
know
was
really
at
least
aesthetically.
It
was
kind
of
messy
and
it
was
hard
to
tell
where
you
wanted
to
be.
If
you
just
wanted
to
park.
K
Yeah,
if
I
can
answer
yeah
I've
had
conversations
with
store
management
about
how
this
will
be
need
to
be
contained.
It
will
need
to
be
monitored.
K
It'll,
probably
you
know,
maybe
some
different
striping
to
identify
those
stalls
because
obviously
they're
not
going
to
be
using
every
stall.
You
know
things
will
be
rented
out
and
so
often
there'll
be
many
vacant
stalls,
but
they
don't
want
to
have
customers
park
there
so
that,
as
you
know,
as
things
are
returned,
they
can
be
placed
back
in
that
designated
area.
Yeah.
J
Okay,
I
have
a
question:
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
the
Garden
area.
J
I
I
frequented
I
frequented
this
Home
Depot
in
this
parking
lot
quite
a
lot
over
the
last
five
years
and
in
the
I
don't
know,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
the
large
rental
area
because
it
seems
much
less
used,
but
the
Garden
area,
especially
in
the
spring
in
the
early
summer,
is,
is
extremely
popular
with
a
lot
of
people
with
a
lot
of
customers
and
people
in
pedestrian
traffic.
J
Moving
from
there
and
I
can
just
from
my
own
experience,
I've
felt
at
times
that
there's
a
level
of
like
danger
or
on
a
lack
of
safety
between
the
amount
of
like
pedestrian
movement
and
and
the
parking
lots
and
the
cars
moving
around
I've
noticed
over
the
past
few
years
that
the
store
has
taken
steps
to
try
to
address
that
and
they've
they've
taken
cones
and
tried
to
designate
some
areas
where
to
try
to
funnel
people
through.
J
But
I
I
would
like
some
sort
of
assurance
that,
whatever
that
pedestrian
flow
plan
is
should
be
like
re-examined
and
and
and
not
I,
don't
know
if
it
needs
to
be
submitted
to
anybody,
but
I'd
like
that
to
be
like
re-evaluated
because
it
goes
beyond
it's
Poppy,
it's
so
popular
that
it
goes
beyond
I.
Think
a
normal
type
of
use
of
just
trying
to
use
space
for
storage
in
the
park
in
the
parking
area.
K
Can
I
ask
a
follow-up
question:
yeah
is,
is
your
concern
between
the
Garden
area
and
the
store
itself
or
around
the
parameters
of
the
Garden
area?.
J
I
mean
anywhere
along
if
you're
I'm,
looking
at
the
aerial
view,
right
now
of
the
Garden
area,
anything
to
the
east
of
that
and
to
the
north
of
it
in
between
a
store
into
the
East.
You
know,
pedestrians,
don't
necessarily
know
it's
not
obvious
like
where
Home
Depot
wants
customers
to
enter
and
I,
don't
know
if
and
and
I
would
leave
it
up
to
the
management
to
decide
what's
best,
whether
it's
signage
or
or
something
to
to
move
people
around
I
mean
you
know
they
can
come
up
with
the
best
solution.
J
That
seems
right,
but
it
does
seem
like
it
needs
it's
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
D
B
So
I
will
add
something
to
this:
I
usually
go
to
Home
Depot
from
the
West
entrance,
so
left
turn
go
inside
and
then
you
come
up
to
a
place
where
several
exits
from
the
parking
lot
interfere
with
the
entrance
from
the
street
and
with
the
internal
street
that
serves
all
the
parking.
So
this
point
of
three
or
four
incoming
places,
there
is
only
one
stop
sign
which
is
on
the
interior
Street.
B
There
are
no
stop
signs
on
the
exits
from
the
parking
lot
and
this
is
a
really
dangerous
location,
because
part
of
the
very
south
parking
spaces
are
almost
never
used.
So
there
are
trucks
that
cross
through
the
parking
and
go
directly
to
the
exit.
There
is
no
stop
sign
for
them
and
it
creates
a
chaotic
situation
that
may
lead
to
accidents,
so
it
is
not
related
to
what
you
are
currently
presenting,
but
I
would
say
that
it
needs
attention
because
it
it
may
happen.
B
K
Think
that
actually
we've
got
so
we've
got
a
representative
from
the
store
that
I'm
gonna
sure.
A
A
Word,
you
are
employed
with
Home.
A
A
Thank
you.
So
you
heard
my
question
is
kind
of
what
is
the
plan?
Is
this
a
more
permanent
space?
Is
it
a
temporary
space.
L
A
L
That
is
correct,
so
we
build
the
Corral
out
to
its
maximum
size
at
the
height
of
the
season,
and
then
we
shorten
the
Corral
as
the
season
goes
on
and
then
during
the
fall
and
winter
months,
we'll
go
ahead
and
build
that
Corral
out
again
and
then
we'll
condense
it
down.
Once
we
run
out
of
product
okay,.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
That
kind
of
helps
me
put
in
mind
some
thoughts
here.
Thank
you,
because
I'm
kind
of
wondering,
if
that
opening
at
the
end
on
the
Curve,
can
somehow
be
ballarded
off
or
something
like
that
to
when
it's
in
use,
prevent
people
from
coming
in
and
out
that
way
and
help
lessen
the
traffic
in.
G
H
L
Store
our
salt
there
for
the
winter,
for
whenever
we
need
to
salt
the
parking
lot.
So,
okay.
G
Does
this
plan
bring
everything
up
to
date,
as
you
said
to
make
it
compliant?
Can
we
assume
there
won't
be
any
further
sort
of
serendipitous
changes
or
that
this
will?
K
And
that
was
the
discussion
that
we
had
with
staff
and
and
the
goal
was
to
actually
Define
these
areas
larger
than
we
feel
we
need
today,
so
that
we're
not
coming
back
to
you
that
we're
we
understand,
you
know
the
balance
with
the
parking.
You
know
we're
defining
these
larger
than
we
need
so
that
we're
we're
always
going
to
be
able
to
work
within
these
boundaries.
A
Any
other
questions,
if
you
would
like
to
sum
up:
first
Mr,
Grove
and
just
tell
us
your
final
argument.
K
K
So
you
know
we're
hoping
to
have
this
move
forward
to
allow
them
to
do
that.
Allow
Home
Depot
to
do
that.
All.
A
I
will
ask
if
there's
anybody
else
over
here
wishes
to
speak,
but
I
see
no
one
else
in
the
room
who
has
not
spoken
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
record
and
begin
our
deliberations
again.
We
have
a
couple
issues
on
this
particular
one:
there's
the
special
use
and
then
the
major
variation
as
well.
A
Okay,
with
that,
I
will
go
through
the
standards
again,
we
have
two
different
sets
of
Standards
here.
One
is
for
special
use
and
one
is
for
a
major
variation.
I'll
go
through
the
special
use,
first,
the
first
one
being
that
it
is
one
of
these
special
uses
that
is
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
In
this
particular
case,
the
special
use
that
we
are
looking
at
is
for
I've
lost.
My
place
here
is
for
the
outdoor
storage
and
the
open
sails
on
the
property.
A
So
this
is
one
of
the
special
uses
that
would
be
permitted.
It
is
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
that
the
adopted,
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time.
We
are
Evanston,
is
kind
of
interesting.
In
that
we
have
a
lot
of
we
used
to
have
a
lot
of
industrial.
A
We
don't
have
much
industrial
left,
but
we
still
do
have
these
industrial
spaces
which
get
used
for
many
different
things,
and
you
know
part
of
our
our
comprehensive
General
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
is
to
allow
on
these
spaces
to
be
used
in
such
a
way
that
it
makes
sense.
A
So
when
we
see
somebody
who's
coming
with
a
large
lot
that
has
no
rear
yards
or
backyards
or
anything
else,
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
that
we
they're
forced
to
do
everything
up
front,
but
this
is
a
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
that
space,
which
is
a
very
large
parking
lot.
So
I
believe
that
has
met.
Number
three
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood.
Again,
this
is
an
area.
A
We've
not
heard
any
testimony
that
this
really
would
be
encroaching
upon
neighbors
and
we've
not
heard
any
testimony
from
those
neighbors
that
they
would
feel
a
negative
effect,
so
I
believe
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
Actually,
this
is
kind
of
a
continuation
of
use
that
has
been
in
place
for
some
time
and
again
it
being
an
industrial
area.
A
A
As
it's
been
presented
to
us,
the
applicant
is
merely
bringing
themselves
into
compliance.
Number
six
has
not
caused
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
We
didn't
really
speak
the
traffic
congestion,
but
this
is
a
one
of
our
busy
streets.
It's
a
wide
Street,
and
it
also
has
this
large
parking
lot
and
is
being
used
in
this
manner.
So
I
believe
this
standard
has
met
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
Architectural
resources.
We're
talking
about
a
building
that
was
built
for
commercial
use
at
some
time,
probably
in
the
90s
I
believe
80s,
maybe
even
okay,
and
so
there's
no
historical
or
architectural
significance
to
this
number.
Eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features.
A
We
are
working
with
a
parking
lot
which
does
not
have
natural
or
environmental
features
to
it
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
at
The
District,
in
which
it
is
located
in
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
as
modified
through
plan
development
process
or
grants
of
variations.
Obviously
we'll
be
going
through
the
major
variations
in
a
minute.
But
again
this
actually
is
bringing
this
particular
applicant
into
compliance
with
our
ordinances,
so
I
believe
that
is
met.
H
H
A
We'll
just
go
ahead
and
go
into
the
major
variation
standards,
then,
some
of
which
are
very
similar.
The
requested
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
Again,
I'll,
say
industrial
district
neighbors
didn't
complain.
A
The
alleged
hardship
of
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
the
property
and,
looking
at
the
particular
things
that
we're
looking
at,
which
include
fences,
placing
fences
in
the
middle
of
parking
lots,
although
this
is
a
separate
parking
lot
by
pin
from
the
neighbors
to
the
east,
it
is,
and
in
fact
one
contiguous
parking
lot
as
you
move
through
it.
So
that
would
seem
odd
to
do
number
four.
The
property
owner
would
suffer
a
practical,
our
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
A
Obviously,
this
is
something
that
this
particular
home
service
store
with
its
competitors
tend
to
do
by
renting
tools,
renting
equipment
having
outdoor
garden
centers
things
that
we
would
expect
to
find
there,
and
if
we
were
to
make
them
box
all
of
this
stuff
in
with
fence
with
an
eight
foot
fence,
it
would
really
impact
their
ability
to
make
the
sale
to
clients
and
let
clients
know
that
they
have
these
these
things
as
they
drive
through
along
Oakton,
so
I
believe
that
standard
is
met.
A
Now,
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
The
property
value
does
not
increase
because
of
this.
Obviously,
they
will
generate
additional
income,
hopefully
through
rentals,
but
it
does
not
affect
the
property
value
itself.
A
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property
again,
the
building
was
probably
constructed
sometime
in
the
late
80s
early
90s
and
the
store
has
been
in
operation
for
many
years
and
there's
no
single
person
who
has
created
this
particular
issue
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
this
body.
A
Again,
the
fact
that
we're
able
to
keep
the
two
areas
that
we
are
looking
at
assigning
off
to
the
sides
helps
lessen
the
need
for
additional
screening
on
them.
So
I
believe
that
standard
is
also
met.
Is
everyone
in
agreement
with
my
findings
on
the
standards.
J
I
have
a
condition
in
the
in
the
first
set
of
Standards
for
three
and
seven
about
negative
cumulative
effect
and
sorry,
not
seven,
six,
not
causing
undue
traffic.
Congestion
related
to
my
earlier
points
about
safety,
I'm
willing
to
vote
that
those
two
standards
are
met.
If
the
Home
Depot
develops
and
maintains
a
formal
pedestrian
flow
plan,
all.
D
Maybe
not
necessarily
related
to
the
standards
but
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
put
in
the
decision
really
nail
down
what
is
being
permitted
here.
So
we
don't
get
this
usage
creep
that
we
had
over
the
years
and
then
on
page
62
of
the
materials
they
specifically
talk
about
74
spaces
for
the
outdoor
Garden.
You
know,
14
shuts
eight
trailer
spaces
and
30
large
rental
spaces.
Is
there
a
way
we
can?
How
will
that
be
formalized
so
that
there's
no
confusion
as
to
what's
been
permitted
and
what
hasn't
to
avoid
that
creep?
A
A
It
would
be
part
of
the
motion,
so
we
could
Grant
approval
or
recommend
approval
of
these
things,
with
the
condition
that
there
be
74,
Garden
sales
spaces
located
on
the
west
side
of
the
plan,
with
a
pedestrian
plan
that
would
be
included
to
protect
pedestrians
in
that
particular
area
and
that
there
be
14
spaces
for
sheds,
eight
for
trailers
and
30
for
large
space,
rentals
along
the
east
property.
Again,
any
of
those
sorts
of
conditions
right
and.
D
Then
I
know
it's
premature
because
we'll
do
it
in
the
next
session
here.
But
the
I'd
like
to
address
commissioner
lindwell's
issues
well
to
to
to
have
these
clearly
marked
so
that
you
don't
have
customers
pulling
into
rental
spaces
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
the
rental
spaces
being
dispersed
throughout
the
throughout
the
parking
lot,
because
it's
full
with
with
customer
cars.
But
that
would
be
the
additional
condition
of
all.
F
I
think
on
the
on
the
east
side,
I
mean
I
I
think
that
it
would
be
okay
to
have
flexibility
in
terms
of
the
specific
numbers
of
the
truck
versus
the
equipment,
but
but
I
think
the
total
number
should
be
defined,
which.
A
I,
don't
care
a
particular
one.
We
could
actually
just
label
it
as
the
further
furthest
east
row
of
parking,
because
they're
taking
up
that
whole
space
on
the
left.
They
still
have
some
parking
I'm.
Sorry
on
the
the
West.
They
still
have
a
few
parking
spaces
that
aren't
included.
So,
however,
you
want
to
word
that
to
make
it
fit
works
for
me,
any
other
I.
B
Would
like
to
add
to
what
commissioner
proposed
to
put
a
kind
of
a
wording
to
improve
egress
and
Ingress
from
the
West
approach
to
the
parking
lot,
especially
when
the
Garden
area
is
used
mostly
Springtime,
because
these
are.
These
are
things
that
may
lead
to
accidents
over
there
all
right,
well,
great.
A
So
the
Ingress
egress
pedestrian
plan
defining
the
spaces
and
then
clearly
marking
those
I'm
taking
are
the
four
conditions.
I'm
hearing
am
I
missing.
Anything
if
not
I
would
ask
if
there
is
a
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
and
again
we
will
be
doing
the
special
use
and
the
major
variations
as
one
group
Miss
ashbaugh.
H
Is
the
commission
seeking
to
have
this
the
ident,
the
additional
plans
and
information
be
part
of
the
material
sent
to
Planning
Development
Committee
staff
can
then
attach
these
plans
as
exhibits
of
the
ordinance,
or
is
this
something
that
we
would
do
administratively
and
it's
just
a
condition
in
the
ordinance
I.
A
Think
it
depends
on
them,
I
mean
obviously
label
it.
Marking
the
spaces
is
something
that's
a
physical
thing
that
they
have
to
do.
I,
don't
know
that
that's
a
wording
of
that
I
think
is,
is
sufficient.
A
A
pedestrian
plan
might
be
something
that
they
would
include
a
paragraph
about.
You
know
this
is
what
we
plan
to
do
to
help
better
Define
this
space
and
the
same
with
the
Ingress
egress,
but
in
terms
of
the
number
of
spaces
and
how
they
are
marked.
I.
Think
that
our
the
testimony
we've
heard
and
the
condition
that
we
place
is
sufficient.
A
Is
there
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
to
City
Council
on
the
matter
for
2201
Oakton
Street.
F
Zmjv-0087
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
areas,
the
Garden
area
and
the
equipment,
rental
or
parking
area
be
clearly
marked
and
that
the
number
of
spaces
devoted
to
each
use,
including
the
the
number
of
spaces
devoted
to
each
use
of
the
the
garden
uses
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
and
the
rental
spaces
to
the
east,
that
a
that
the
applicant
prepare
a
pedestrian
and
Ingress
and
egress
plan
that
will
set
forth
the
planned
improvements
related
to
safety.
A
D
G
A
So
I'm
about
to
eight
to
zero.
The
matter
will
move
forward
to
city
council
with
a
recommendation
for
approval
with
those
conditions
that
we've
placed
and
if
you
have
questions
about
those
please
reach
out
to
staff,
and
they
will
also
guide
you
through
what
your
next
steps
will
be.
Thank
you
with
that.
We
have
completed
the
new
business
we
have.
A
One
of
the
matters
should
I
speak
to
that
am
I
allowed
to
speak.
To
that
what
we
talked
about
today.
Sure
one
of
the
matters
that
was
not
moved
on
to
the
agenda
was
the
addition
of
our
committees
because
of
that
we're
going
to
hold
off
for
a
week
since
no
no
commit
no
committees
have
any
immediate
action
pending
before
them,
and
so
we
will
move
on
to
communication.
Commissioner
Hallock
foreign.
A
A
couple
other
quick
little
notes:
I'm
meeting
with
the
mayor
on
Monday,
to
just
sort
of
discuss
how
we're
functioning,
how
things
are
going
with
us
things
like
that,
if
there's
anything
in
particular,
you
would
like
me
to
address
with
the
mayor.
Please
let
me
know
also
to
let
you
know
can
I
speak
to
the
other
matter.
A
We
are
in
interviews
for
a
community
development
director
position,
so
we've
been
going
through
some
rounds
of
interviews
on
that,
and
hopefully
we'll
have
some
Direction
at
some
point
soon
and
so
we'll
keep
you
informed
as
to
what's
going
on
with
that.
At
this
point
we
have
public
comment.
A
I
see
no
public
to
comment
unless
the
Young
Max
Patel's
young
son
would
like
to
comment
Who's
busy
back
there
playing
games
and
probably
not
paying
attention
to
what
I'm
saying
so
with
that
I
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
wind
wall.
Is
there
a
second
I'll?
Second,
second,
and
by
Westerberg
all
in
favor,
please
say
aye.