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City Council Budget Workshop - 2/1/2010
A
I
am
delighted
to
have
so
many
of
you
here
to
talk
about
the
budget.
There
have
been
other
years
where,
sadly,
very
few
people
have
come.
I
am
sorry,
however,
that
the
budget
is
in
such
difficult
shape
that
you
all
felt
you
had
to
come,
but
it
is
in
bad
shape
and
we
appreciate
having
you
here
to
give
us
your
advice,
city
manager.
Would
you
like
to
discuss
the
altered
time
schedule
for
the
february
8th
meeting,
because
this
same
group
may
want
to
come
then.
C
Yes,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council
good
evening,
the
council's
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
is
on
next
monday
monday
february.
The
8th
the
council,
in
their
rules
committee
meeting
earlier
this
evening,
has
decided
to
start
a
alternate
format
for
the
timing
of
council
meetings.
That
format
will
be
as
follows:
at
5,
30
p.m.
C
As
has
been
in
past
practice,
the
administration
and
public
works
committee
will
meet
at
the
conclusion
of
that
meeting.
There
will
then
be
a
15-minute
recess
and
15
minutes
at
the
after
the
conclusion
of
the
administration
public
works
committee,
the
council's
planning
and
development
committee
will
meet
that
meeting
will
go
on
as
long
as
required
and
then
at
the
conclusion
of
that
meeting
there
will
be
a
15-minute
break
and
then
the
city
council's
regular
meeting
will
start
so
the
council's
trying
to
get
away
from
8
30
regular
meeting
starts.
C
C
C
We
hope
and
anticipate
that
the
city
council
will
take
final
action
on
the
fiscal
year,
2010
2011
budget
at
next
monday's
meeting.
So
I
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that
in
addition
to
that
meeting
next
monday,
there
is
also
a
special
meeting
later
this
week
on
wednesday
february,
the
3rd,
and
that
will
be
here
in
the
council
chambers,
beginning
at
6
pm.
A
Well,
I
am
delighted
that
you
all
are
here
it.
The
huge
number
of
speakers
does
mean
we're
going
to
have
to
limit
the
time,
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
we
are
delighted
that
there
are
so
many
of
you
here
during
public
comments.
If
someone
has
said
what
you
are
about
to
say,
you
could
just
say
that
you
agree
with
the
previous
speaker
and
not
feel
a
need
to
reiterate
what
has
already
been
said,
and
that
makes
things
go
much
much
more
smoothly.
So
please.
A
If
someone
has
already
spoken
and
made
your
points
say
that
you
agree
with
them
and
know
that
that
will
be
heard.
I
am
going
to
call
four
or
five
speakers
at
a
time.
If
you
go
over
there
and
line
up
then,
as
soon
as
the
one
speaker
is
done,
the
next
one
can
can
move
up
to
the
microphone
and
speak
the
first
four
or
five
speakers
are
gunnar
forrest,
doris
halvorson,
carolyn
murray,
patricia
krieg
charlotte
aber
barban.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
D
I
served
a
few
words
about
leslie
wilson.
The
program
director
has
served
in
this
capacity
as
long
as
the
current
legal
center
has
been
in
operation.
She
is
experienced,
skilled
and
truly
understands
seniors.
He
is
an
excellent
program
director.
She
also
performs
a
myriad
of
other
tasks
as
we
already
operate
with
a
skeleton
thin
staff.
Please
don't
terminate
leslie.
D
Also
our
bus
is
very
important
to
us,
especially
with
our
current
driver
connie,
who
has
been
doing
this
for
some
years
now.
She's
terrific
driving
a
person
who
gets
along
well
with
the
members
and
extremely
helpful
county
also
helps
in
the
center
with
a
murder
of
other
things.
Besides
driving,
this
bus
is
especially
important
to
our
people
with
disabilities
and
with
our
legally
blind
members,
there
are
people
who
have
little
money
and
no
car,
and
this
would
certainly
affect
their
ability
to
attend
the
center
twice
a
week.
D
E
E
I
also
have
copies
of
the
leaving
news,
which
I
would
like
to
pass
on
to
each
of
each
of
you,
I'd
like
to
read
the
letter
to
you
as
members
of
the
levy
senior
center
advisory
board.
We
are
concerned
with
the
recent
proposal
that
calls
for
the
elimination
of
the
director
and
the
bus
program
at
the
levy
center.
E
The
program
manager
has
a
solid
track
track
record
of
providing
for
the
needs
and
interests
of
our
seniors
in
interesting,
innovative
and
creative
ways.
We
encourage
you
to
scan
the
leaving
news
which
I'm
just
handing
out
now
to
understand
the
range
of
programs,
activities
and
events
which
she
has
developed,
implemented
and
supervised.
E
E
A
F
I'm
patricia
gregg
2731,
elgin,
rhode,
evanston,
I'm
a
member
of
the
life
enrichment
committee
at
the
levy
center.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
tonight
tonight.
I
ask
that
you
seriously
reconsider
the
changes
being
proposed
to
eliminate
the
levy
senior
the
levy
senior
center
bus,
as
well
as
to
eliminate
the
program
director
leslie
wilson,
who
takes
into
consideration
the
individual
needs
of
the
seniors
cedar
seniors,
provide
stability
in
the
communities.
Seniors
expect
to
be
frugal
and
thankful.
F
Now
people
at
the
center
who've
developed,
macular
degeneration
and
other
physical
ailments
can
no
longer
drive
and
have
difficulty
navigating
the
street
bus
system
walking
to
grocery
stores
to
doctors,
offices
but
levy
provides
one
real
source
of
the
community,
which
they
trust
and
have
confidence
in
and
on
a
daily
basis
too.
So
please
reconsider
the
needs
of
our
seniors
so
that
when
other
people
are
retiring,
they'll
want
to
stay
with
us
in
evanston
instead
of
selling
and
moving
elsewhere.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
G
G
G
If
you
we
are
family
here.
If
you
hurt
one,
you
hurt
all.
There
are
other
things
that
can
be
done
to
cut
costs,
don't
throw
away
any
good
people.
President
obama's
plans
are
to
create
jobs,
not
cut
them.
Perhaps
we
need
to
rethink
our
present
form
of
government
here
in
evanston,
a
city
manager
form
does
not
truly
represent
the
people.
A
H
My
name
is
carolyn
murray,
I'm
with
the
united
states
navy
reserve
forces.
I
live
in
1930
gray.
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
However,
I'm
concerned
with
the
issue
of
closing
down
the
dental
clinic
as
a
reservist.
I
rely
on
the
dental
clinic.
My
children
have
been
patients
at
the
dental
clinic
for
several
years,
closing
down
the
dental
clinic.
Unlike
some
of
the
controversy
with
the
branch
libraries,
it's
not
a
convenience,
it
is
a
necessity.
H
I
rely
on
the
clinic
to
be
open
and
available
for
my
children
to
have
their
screenings
for
their
exams
for
school,
as
well
as
the
the
care
providers
that
render
for
my
children.
While
I'm
away
overseas
serving
my
country,
they
need
the
convenience
to
have
dental
plans
and
dental
dental
services
available
close
to
the
proximity
of
where
we
live.
H
A
H
H
A
A
I
I
You
have
recommended
a
cut
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
other
speakers
have
already
talked
about
and
said
that
it
will
force
the
studio
to
close
down
our
executive
director.
Steve
bartlebau
has
proposed
a
compromise
situation
that
you
cut
our
budget
by
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
instead
of
two
hundred
thousand
and
that
the
ecmc
relocates
to
a
rent-free
site
such
as
the
eths
or
city
hall.
This
could
work.
Currently
ecmc
pays.
Ninety
thousand
ninety
five
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
rent,
but
we
need
to
give
a
12-month
notice
to
break
that
lease.
I
J
K
I'm
don
baker.
I
live
at
1224
sherman,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
you,
youth
organizations
umbrella
for
38
years
following
city
budgets
for
43
years,
and
it's
clear
to
me
that
this
is
the
most
difficult
year
ever
and
everyone
in
the
community
is
going
to
have
to
do
a
part.
But
I
want
to
make
the
case
that
the
human
service
agencies
that
the
city
supports
have
been
doing
their
part
in
keeping
and
being
cut
for
years.
K
K
Two
on
three
points
that
that
was
one
number
two
is
we
provide
services
much
less
expensively
than
the
city
can
do
it
themselves
because
of
a
whole
variety
of
reasons
we
bring
in
more
dollars
through
other
resources,
we
use
volunteers,
our
salary
levels
are
lower,
etc.
So
it's
a
very
cost
effective
way
to
to
deliver
services
working
through
the
human
service
agencies
and
three
and
what's
by
far
the
most
important.
This
is
an
incredibly
difficult
time
for
the
vulnerable
population.
K
L
Hello,
my
name
is
nathaniel
brown
and
I
live
at
1613
madison
right
here
in
evanston,
and
I'm
a
minister
at
faith
temple
church
of
god
in
christ,
and
we
should
not
cut
the
the
budget
in
such
a
severe
way
at
ecmc
for
two
reasons.
Primarily,
bishop
moody
has
a
show
a
moment
with
the
bishop,
which
brings
a
message
of
hope
and
salvation,
which
is
the
life
death
and
resurrection
of
jesus
christ.
L
That
has
changed
many
people's
live
lives
at
our
church
and
all
around
the
world,
and
we
we
need
not
change
that,
and
the
second
thing
is
that
alderman
gene
baptist
came
to
our
church
and
spoke
to
our
youth
about
reaching
out
in
the
community
and
endeavoring
to
make
a
better
future
for
ourselves,
and
ecmc
is
one
of
the
outlets
that
we
do
this,
especially
our
youth
at
the
church,
and
we
just
I.
I
suggest
that
we
do
not
cut
the
budget
such
in
such
a
severe
way.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
My
name
is
tony
arnold
and
I
live
at
617
case
place
and
I
am
a
product
of
the
evanston
community.
I
agree
with
minister
nathaniel
brown
representing
the
voice
of
those.
You
probably
won't
see
utilizing
the
levy
center,
the
youth
of
evanston.
I
came
to
everest
when
I
was
13.,
I'm
a
product
of
the
fleetwood
jordan
community
center
family
focus.
I
am
now
a
33
year
old
tax,
paying
citizen
in
everston
and
if
you
would
like
to
do
something
for
at
risk,
youth
or
any
other
youth
who
need
something
to
do.
M
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
reena
ranger
I
live
at
378
north
overlook
trail
in
round
lake.
I
was
an
evanston
resident
for
17
years
and
I
still
have
a
home
here.
I
recognize
that
you
will
have
to
make
some
major
decisions
regarding
money.
However,
we
cannot
allow
money
to
surpass
the
essential
things
of
life
which
which
are
our
children.
N
Ecmc
is
an
outreach
center
for
the
young,
the
not
so
young,
the
c
seniors,
and
it
is
open
to
every
ethnic
group.
It's
a
place
where
the
young
has
been
given
the
opportunity
to
receive
training
on
technology
that
they
would
not
otherwise
receive
it's
a
self-development
center.
For
anyone
who
is
interested
in
developing
their
creative
skills,
I
believe
that
ecmc
is
too
essential
not
to
support,
because
it
supports
our
children.
N
It
keeps
them
off
the
street
out
of
the
gang
teach
them
to
be
productive
rather
than
destructive
help
them
develop
the
skills
that
create
a
win-win
situation
for
them
and
us
the
community.
I
need
you
to
wrap
it
up.
Okay,
the
ecmc
should
be
a
landmark
for
the
community
and
we
should
be
glad
to
provide
the
monies
needed.
Thank
you.
A
O
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
city,
council,
members
manager,
bob
kowitz,
I
have
an
information
packet
if
you
could
pass
it
down.
My
name
is
george
vale.
I
work
in
fleet
service
and
I
am
a
union
member
here
to
discuss
the
fleet
personnel
cuts
during
the
last
re.
During
the
recent
budget
hearings,
comments
were
made
regarding
the
maintenance
of
city
vehicles,
but
not
the
maintenance
of
the
fleet.
O
We
have
currently
over
100
vehicles
that
are
older
than
the
expected
apwa
life
cycle.
If
you
look
through
your
packet,
you
will
find
more
details
on
this
based
on
the
age
of
the
fleet.
This
reduction
would
seriously
undermine
the
ability
of
most
public
works
in
an
emergency
services
to
perform
their
duties.
O
O
O
A
P
P
The
perception
often,
is
that
those
who
don't
complain
or
are
limited
in
sophistication
and
ability
to
client
to
broke
to
complain,
get
the
short
end
of
the
stick.
The
perception
is
that
city
services
has
an
air
of
elitism
in
that
cuts
and
services
come
at
the
expense
of
those
least
able
to
complain
of
those
least
affluent.
A
couple
of
examples:
cutting
garbage
collection
positions,
costs
the
jobs
of
many
who
live
in
evanston
and
buy
products
in
evanston
and
yes,
pay
taxes
in
evanston.
P
This
seems
like
a
spiraling
pit
which
separates
those
who
are
affluent
from
those
who
are
not
it
amplifies
the
problems
of
working
people
and
poorer
people
in
evanston.
I
know
that
contracting
can
offer
enticing
savings
initially,
but
at
a
potential
for
later
cost
increases.
This
to
me
is
a
short-term
gain
for
long-term
pain.
P
Eliminating
the
dental
health
services
program
affects
children
from
our
poorer
families.
My
understanding
is
that
the
direct
cost
to
the
city
for
these
services
has
been
between
90
and
153
thousand
dollars
for
the
last
five
years.
That's
not
a
lot
of
money,
nor
does
it
make
a
significant
impact
on
the
deficit.
Why
eliminate
this
service
that
benefits
our
future
tax,
paying
citizens?
P
It
seems
like
a
small
price
to
pay
for
the
health
services
to
approximately
1500
children.
It
is
a
it
is
hard
enough
for
lower
income
people
to
live
in
evanston.
Why
make
it
tougher?
I
know
this
has
been
a
struggle
for
those
planning
and
eventually
deciding
to
and
eventually
making
the
decisions
on
expenses
versus
revenue.
However,
I
want
all
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
city
serves
all
its
citizens
and
has
an
obligation
to
make
tough
decisions
which
makes
sense
and
minimize
suffering
of
those
least
able
to
resist.
Q
Q
Both
our
area
and
also
to
the
families
themselves
in
terms
of
distress
to
kids
and
families
and
to
you
know
their
ability
to
stay
in
school
to
be
present
in
school
and
also
an
economic
cost
to
our
city.
If
we
did
cut
the
clinic,
it
would
be
a
trickle-down
effect.
There
would
be
increased
use
of
emergency
rooms,
and
things
like
that,
so
I
just
my
heart-
goes
out
to
the
families
and
I
want
all
kids
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
dental
care.
It's
just
very
important.
Thank.
R
My
name
is
robert
ballmer.
I
live
at
1525,
brummell
street.
The
city
manager's,
revised
budget
recommendations
show
that
the
ecology
center
is
off
the
chopping
block.
However,
as
the
mayor
has
said,
it's
not
over
until
it's
over
if
the
ecology
center
is
indeed
safe.
Then
I
ask
the
council
to
put
its
muscle
behind
stabilizing
the
center's
future.
It's
day
camp
enrollment
season.
I
urge
the
council
to
help
get
the
message
out
clearly
that
the
ecology
center
remains
safe,
open
and
available
for
day.
Camp
enrollment
highlight
it
on
the
first
page
of
your
website.
R
R
Finally,
I'd
like
to
highlight
a
unique
part
of
the
ecology
center,
their
traveling
collection
of
over
three
dozen
exotic
animals,
a
learning
opportunity
for
all
who
visit
the
center.
My
sons
are
longtime
volunteers
at
the
center
helping
to
take
care
of
these
animals.
The
collection
includes
everything
from
a
cuban
tree
frog
to
a
hedgehog
to
a
huge
solcata
tortoise
named
bernie
sulkita
turtus's
tortoises
live
up
to
80
years,
I'd
like
to
make
eight-year-old
bernie
the
poster
child
of
our
cause.
Evanston
citizens
want
this
ecology
center
to
outlive
bernie.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
T
T
And
can
coach
you
I'm
going
to
truncate
my
remarks
due
to
the
time
limits.
I
will
email
the
council
my
entire
prepared
remarks,
but
just
to
summarize
very
quickly,
it's
been
suggested
that
public
access
use
has
passed
and
it's
been
supplanted
by
social
media
and
the
internet.
Honestly,
that's
like
saying
that
skype
has
rendered
all
telephones
obsolete.
T
These
are
not
competing
media,
they
are
complementary
media
and
the
media
center
is
very
good
at
using
those
compliments
to
full
advantage.
I
point
this
out
because
public
access
is
at
risk.
We
understand
you're
under
severe
pressure
to
cut
this
budget
and
we
understand
what
it
means
to
hold
to
a
budget.
As
you
have
all
seen
from
what
we
have
sent
you,
we
are
still
prepared
to
stand
by
our
offer
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
reserve
when
we
can
move,
but
that
will
not
be
for
22
months.
T
Meanwhile,
I
would
like
to
point
out
very
quickly
that
if
you
think
that
public
can
be
replaced
by
youtube,
I
would
suggest
you
talk
to
the
following
individuals:
the
women
in
cancer
program
run
by
nancy
floy
at
the
heartwood
center
evanston
pennies
for
peace.
The
evanston
rogers
park,
chapter
of
amnesty
international,
the
evanston
symphony
orchestra,
piccolo
theater,
the
mcguire
ymca.
T
Most
of
these
programs
have
benefited
because
somebody
saw
them
talking
to
me
on
tv.
They
would
not
have
been
found
on
youtube.
Others
have
enjoyed
our
pr
our
production
services,
which
allows
them
to
get
useful
media
product
at
very
low,
affordable
cost
for
non-profits.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your.
U
V
Hi
I'm
marcia
schlemer
and
I
live
at
1304
kirk.
My
story
began
when
I
was
38
years
old
and
I
lived
in
the
suburbs
and
thought
I
had
it
all.
My
sister
died
from
a
bipolar
disorder.
She
committed
suicide
and
I
was
left
alone
with
an
11
year
old
son.
I
had
my
first
psychotic
episode
two
years
later
and
began
drinking
and
throughout
my
medication
and
ended
up
numerous
times
at
institutions.
V
The
last
time
that
I
was
at
reed
a
case
manager,
a
social
worker
came
up
to
me
and
said
marcia.
Where
will
you
live
and
I
said
I'm
homeless
and
he
said
I'm
going
to
refer
you
to
northwestern
memorial
hospital's
emergency
housing
program.
There
I
went
with
the
clothes
on
my
back
spent
one
year
there
and
then
was
referred
to
housing
options.
I
have
been
with
housing
options
for
the
last
17
years
and
has
literally
transformed
my
life.
I've
been
able
to
meet
my
potential
as
an
independent
woman
and
volunteer
in
numerous
activities
in
evanston.
V
W
My
name
is
jordan
luer
I
reside
at
156,
south
allegheny
and
grays
lake.
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
north
shore
senior
center,
which
has
offices
here
in
evanston
at
840
dodge.
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
human
services
funding.
As
you
are
aware,
the
mission
of
the
north
shore
senior
center
is
to
help
seniors
remain
independent
and
healthy.
This
means
providing
them
services
that
kept
keep
them
from
moving
out
of
their
homes
and
into
more
restrictive
and
more
costly
settings.
W
W
X
Y
Y
The
auto
service
worker
shares
responsibility
in
keeping
a
fleet
of
nearly
70
police
cars
in
service.
Under
the
proposed
budget,
you
would
have
sworn
officers
transporting
cars
for
maintenance
instead
of
being
on
patrol,
and
by
doing
this,
the
maintenance
of
the
cars
would
drop
by
50
percent.
Currently,
the
police
vehicles
are
the
most
well
well-maintained
fleet
in
the
city.
I
feel
this
is
an
internal
service
that
should
not
be
compromised,
one
for
the
safety
of
our
officers
and
two
for
the
safety
of
our
citizens
with
no
replacements
on
vehicles.
Y
A
Z
As
you
know,
last
month
the
board
passed
a
resolution
advocating
for
the
continued
maintenance
and
operation
of
the
branches
in
recognition
of
their
value,
in
order
to
make
good
on
that,
we've
also
voted
to
form
a
task
force
to
explore
every
possible
option
for
sustainable
funding
of
library
services,
we're
trying
not
to
waste
a
good
crisis,
and
we
want
to
bring
some
fresh
thinking
to
this
so
tonight.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
about
the
task
force,
what
we've
done
so
far
and
the
direction
that
we're
taking
we
have
met,
we
are
forming.
Z
We
are
picking
our
members,
I'm
going
to
be
on
it.
We
have
another
representative
from
the
library
board,
that's
going
to
be
on
it,
they
will
be
reporting.
We
will
be
reporting
to
the
library
board.
We
will
have
representatives
of
the
branch
advocates,
but
we
also
intend
to
have
representatives
from
every
community
in
evanston
so
that
this
is
really
a
representative
task
force.
Z
We
want
to
take
an
exhaustive
look
at
funding
options
for
the
library,
because
we
know
that
this
has
been
a
a
bone
of
contention
for
over
30
years.
Subcommittees
are
being
formed.
We
know
we
have
to
cover
a
lot
of
ground
quickly,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
fundraising
from
public,
private
and
corporate
sponsorship
sources.
Z
We
have
a
task
force
that
would
be
looking
at
improving
branches
and
facilities,
I'm
sorry
improving
service
and
facilities
at
both
branches,
north
and
south.
We're
going
to
look
at
how
we
could
possibly
open
a
branch
resource
center
on
the
west
side,
we're
going
to
look
at
every
kind
of
alternative
and
non-traditional
option
for
delivering
library
services
across
evanston.
Z
AA
Mick
belandic
2756
harrison
I'm
here
to
suggest
that
you
consider
a
a
study
that
would
require
a
risk.
Reliability
assessment
sent
two
emails
emails
to
my
aldermen
and
I
think
I
have
a
witness
that
can
cooperate
these
things
in
one
winter,
when
there
was
a
considerable
amount
of
snow
on
the
ground.
One
of
our
neighbors
volunteered
to
ask
our
last
us
to
volunteer
the
park
on
one
side
of
the
street,
and
this
was
to
facilitate
emergency
vehicles.
AA
Well,
anyway,
it
took
three
years
to
get
this,
so
we
I
pulled
all
our
neighborhoods
developed
a
chart
and
made
a
matrix
and
then
set
up
what
the
guidelines
would
be,
and
this
is
then
we
went
to
the
administration
and
public
works
committee
chaired
by
the
dean
of
the
council
and
reigning,
and
this
is
where
we
have
our
current
standards.
I
think
you
should
implement
it,
not
only
here,
but
elsewhere.
All
I've
heard
so
far
tonight
were
areas
in
which
people
want
you
to
extend
more
and
more
funds.
AA
AB
AB
I
think
that
the
ecmc
has
helped
faith
temple
and
other
churches
reach
and
support
and
and
minister
to
our
community,
the
ecmc
also
have
helped
many
young
people
learn
the
arts
of
the
media
industry,
along
with
giving
them
a
place
to
go
to
develop
their
arts.
Speaking
as
a
as
a
evanston
resident,
our
community,
our
community
will
be
greatly
mismissing,
the
community
media.
AB
A
AC
Good
evening
my
name
is
steve
murray,
I'm
a
certified
certified
arborist
for
the
forestry
department
for
years.
I've
helped
maintain
and
care
for
evanston's
trees.
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
ask
you
to
reconsider
the
proposed
cuts
to
our
department.
Evanston
is
a
community
that
truly
loves
our
trees.
This
is
evident
by
the
past
commitment
to
maintaining
our
parkway
trees,
which
has
earned
the
city
tree
city
distinction.
For
over
27
consecutive
years,
our
department
was
expanded
slightly
over
the
past
10
years
to
lessen
the
time
required
to
trim
the
trees.
AC
The
unexpected
infestation
of
our
ash
trees
by
the
emerald
ash
borer
has
been
a
setback
for
our
trimming
schedule.
Fortunately,
we
do
have
an
adequate
staff
to
deal
with
the
borer
infestation.
This
infestation
has
already
infested
over
2000
public
and
private
trees.
This
is
affecting
every
area
within
evanston
and
will
continue
to
be
a
major
part
of
our
job.
We
cannot
predict
the
amount
of
additional
infestations
which
unfortunately,
are
a
real
problem
that
we
will
have
to
battle
for
years
to
come.
AC
AC
We
also
offer
free
wood
chips
for
the
residents
and
plant
hundreds
of
new
trees.
Yearly
forestry
employees
are
on
call
after
hours
to
deal
with
any
tree
failures
from
limbs
to
entire
trees.
We
take
pride
in
the
work
that
we
do
and
we
are
dedicated
to
the
trees
and
their
care,
given
the
amount
of
trees
and
their
value
to
the
community.
I
feel
it
is
in
the
city's
best
interest
not
to
eliminate
the
forestry
positions
positions
at
this
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
AD
I
came
here
to
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
normal
council
that,
despite
the
economic
crisis
the
country
is
facing,
the
community
development
department,
in
particular,
can
easily
surpass
the
revenue
it
projected
for
this
year.
We
can
raise
the
building
permit
revenue
without
raising
the
fees
and
we
can
recover
the
lost
revenues
from
the
previous
years.
I
prepared
a
two-page
speech,
but
that's
not
gonna
happen.
Let's
just
read,
you
know
the
important
part.
We
lost
several
millions
from
previous
years
and
stands
to
lose
hundreds
of
thousands
these
years
this
year.
AD
Things
are
not
corrected,
and
here
is
why
the
evanston
fee
ordinance
is
flawed.
The
ordinance
is
too,
I'm
sorry
to
say
it
is
contractor
friendly.
The
ordinance
provides
that-
and
I
thought
the
director
of
community
development
will
accept
an
estimate
furnace
to
him
by
the
applicant
for
the
permit
at
the
time
of
the
application.
AD
This
provision
basically
tells
the
applicant
okay
pay
as
you
wish.
They
can
dictate
how
much
they
want
to
pay.
This
provision
has
seriously
impacted
the
billing
permit
revenues
in
terms
of
permit
fees
paid
based
upon
the
construction
cost
estimates
provided
by
them
by
as
much
as
70
percent
for
residential
projects.
Mr.
AD
A
AE
AE
We
are
very
pleased
to
find
out
that
the
council
has
seen
to
alleviate
us
from
the
cuts,
at
least
at
the
moment,
we'd
like
to
thank
you
for
that
and
for
your
vision
and
how
much
we
do
provide
for
the
city.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
our
operation
and
our
collaboration
with
the
city.
We
intend
to
look
at
collaborative
efforts
for
continuing
the
fundraising
which
we
have
done
for
the
last
36
years
in
building
the
ecology
center.
We
built
the
original
building.
AE
We
raised
the
funds
for
the
addition,
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
build
a
new
addition
and
they're
in
the
great
room
there,
and
we
look
forward
to
all
the
programs
we
provide
to
the
city
as
being
a
a
very
big
positive
grant
for
all
nine
wards
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
the
future
for
the
city
manager.
In
the
last
week,
we
collected
over
400
signatures
on
on
a
petition
just
to
find
out
what
the
public
support
was
for
us,
but
we'll
give
you
a
copy
of
that
as
well.
Thank
you
thank.
AF
Good
evening
my
name
is
marsha
mahoney.
I
live
at
1236
forest
avenue.
I
am
a
staff
member
at
the
south
branch
of
the
evanston
library,
but
I'm
here
as
a
citizen
and
a
member
of
the
branch
love
steering
committee,
I'm
the
only
person
from
the
steering
committee
who
will
be
speaking
this
evening.
There
are
six
people
that
are
signed
up.
They
will
defer
to
me.
I
should
only
take
the
maybe
two
and
a
half
minutes.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I'd
like
to
do
two
things.
AF
First,
our
accomplishments,
we've
been
working
hard.
You've
asked
citizens
this
year
to
step
up
and
volunteer
their
time,
and
we've
been
doing
that
this
week,
we've
been
focusing
on
the
question
of
whether
or
not
sustainable
funding
for
neighborhood
libraries
is
possible
and
we've
been
doing
a
preliminary
assessment
of
that
as
we're
making
a
commitment
of
our
own
personal
time
to
make
this
happen,
and
what
we
found
is.
The
answer
is
yes
and
here's.
What
we've
done?
We've
met
with
the
chair
of
the
library
board
to
discuss
the
task
force.
AF
AF
There
is
a
petition
online
that
folks
have
signed
to
save
trees.
We
did
not
make
multiple
copies.
There
is
one
copy
of
the
comments
I'm
handing
to
alderman
fisk
and
we've
begun
to
contact
those
folks
and
gauge
the
depth
of
their
commitment,
both
financially
and
their
willingness
to
volunteer
we've
spoken
amongst
ourselves
and
identified
our
own
contacts
begun
to
aggregate
those,
our
experiences
fundraising
in
schools,
charities
and
political
campaigns.
AF
On
the
institutional
side,
we've
begun
to
identify
foundations
that
are
interested
in
investing
in
library,
computing,
centers
and
in
innovative
methods
for
delivering
library
services.
Anecdotally.
Today
I
visited
the
oak
prank
oak
park,
library
and
its
branches,
and
there
I
met
with
their
branch
manager,
and
she
told
me
about
the
state
money
that
paid
for
the
renovation
of
their
branches,
the
gates
grant
that
they
just
received
to
buy
seven
laptops
for
one
of
their
branches,
because
it
is
physically
a
small
place
and
stand-alone
computers
won't
fit,
and
so
they
received
a
grant
for
laptops.
AF
They
also
just
received
a
landscaping
grant
for
the
other
branch
to
make
the
entryway
more
attractive.
We
believe
that
there's
foundation
money
that
can
help
evanston,
currently
there's
no
one
in
the
library
staff
to
pursue
that
that
job
has
been
cut.
But
we
believe
that
our
task
force
through
our
volunteer
efforts
can
help.
AF
We
have
visited
family
focus,
fleetwood,
jourdain,
chandler,
neuberger,
robert
crown,
and
the
levy
center
to
determine
whether
or
not
library
services
could
be
delivered
there.
We've
met
with
the
manager
of
boku
cafe
at
church
in
dodge
and
discussed
with
him
the
challenges
and
opportunities
of
having
a
computing
center.
AF
In
that
neighborhood
we've
spoke
with
denia
hester,
the
former
west
branch
librarian,
and
took
her
materials
about
the
opening
and
the
closure
of
the
west
branch
that
we
got
from
the
evanston
historical
society
and
had
a
wonderful
conversation
with
her.
We
visited
the
skokie
bookmobile
to
eyeball
their
delivery
system,
and,
as
mentioned,
we
visited
the
oak
park,
libraries
where
they
have
a
main
library
and
two
branches
as
we
do
in
evanston.
We
see
that
there
are
real
opportunities
and
we
believe
that
if
you
give
us
a
year,
we
can
affect
change.
AF
AF
AG
Good
evening
council,
my
name
is
ivani
moore.
Vice
president
historical
unit,
local
1891,
I'm
a
little
nervous
first
time
did
this,
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
sanitation
department
in
your
packet.
You
have
some
information
about
the
recycling
center.
I
first
have
a
question.
If
recycling
is
the
way
to
go,
then
why
do
we
entertain
the
thought
to
close
the
recycling
center?
AG
AG
I've
been
with
the
city
of
evanston
for
10
years,
two
as
attempt
eight
as
a
full-time
employee,
and
in
that
ten
year
tenure
I've
watched
the
sanitation
department
be
cut
in
half
we
work
for
the
city
of
evanston.
We
follow
your
instructions,
we
do
our
job
with
pride.
We
do
our
jobs
with
integrity
and
we
do
it
well,
any
more
proposed
cuts
would
hinder
those
services.
I
don't
believe
that
there's
an
entity
out
there
that
can
do
it
better
and
more
efficient
than
employees
that
you
have
working
for
you
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
AH
AI
My
name
is
sue
robert.
I
live
at
2627
central
street
in
evanston,
I'm
a
member
of
the
levy
senior
center
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
life
enrichment
fund
board
of
the
levy
senior
center.
The
levy
senior
center
has
a
paid
evanston
membership
well
over
a
thousand.
These
are
residents
age
55
to
95,
plus
the
center
is
open
monday
through
friday,
from
seven
in
the
morning
to
5
00
in
the
afternoon
for
senior
programming.
Only.
AI
I
left
at
home
a
list
of
88
categories
of
activities
which
the
center
offers
to
its
members.
Now
it's
a
busy
happy
productive
place
where
seniors
gather
the
senior
center
offers
all
this
with
very
small
staff.
We
have
one
part-time
director,
christina
ferraro,
whom
we
share
with
the
ecology
center.
We
have
one
activities
director,
leslie
wilson.
AI
There
are
a
few
other
part-time
staffers
leslie
wilson
has
been
program
coordinator
at
the
levy
center
for
20
years,
even
though
the
center
itself
has
moved
several
times.
She
has
stayed
with
us.
She
has
20
years
of
experience,
working
with
our
seniors
finding
out.
What's
wanted
and
what's
not
wanted
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
A
AI
A
AJ
AJ
I
am
also
a
product
of
faith
temple
church
of
god
in
christ,
where
bishop
moody
is
my
pastor.
I
make
this
quick
when
I
graduated
from
1993.
I
was
once
a
concern
to
my
mother,
my
father
as
well,
because
I
was
a
troubled
teen.
I
was
smoking,
weed
smoking,
cigarettes,
drinking
partying
and
all
the
whole
nine.
I
recently
gave
my
life
to
the
lord,
so
I'm
here
representing
ec
mc
because
our
youth
of
today,
I'm
sure
you
all
know
that
they
need
a
difference.
AJ
AJ
So,
and
if
all
you
parents
right
here
now,
if
you
went
home
right
this
second,
your
children
will
be
doing
one
of
three
things:
either
not
home
or
in
front
of
the
tv
or
in
front
of
the
tv
doing
their
homework.
So
would
you
rather
have
your
children
on
watching
tv
watching
some
rap
video
or
some
rock
video,
where
they're
just
doing
something?
AJ
A
AK
Brad
weiss:
I
live
at
2731
thayer
street
in
evanston,
I've
been
an
evanston
resident
for
10
years.
I've
been
a
dentist
for
11
years.
I
practice
in
in
downtown
evanston.
It's
first
time.
I've
spoken
to
this
group.
It's
first
time.
I've
contacted
an
alderman.
The
dental
center
is
a
critical
part
of
what
makes
evanston
work
as
part
of
the
north,
suburban
branch
of
the
chicago
dental
society's
executive
board
and
the
american
dental
association.
One
of
our
biggest
problems
is
access
to
care.
AK
Oral
health
is
cannot
be
separated
from
overall
health.
One
thing
that
the
dental
center
does
is
keep
evanston's
kids
healthier,
and
there
is
no
substitute
for
that.
I
don't
know
the
dental.
I
have
no
affiliation
with
the
dental
clinic.
I
don't
know
the
dentist
that
works
there
and
I
I
do
know
the
numbers
and
it's
an
incredible
value
to
our
our
population,
and
we
should
do
everything
in
our
power
to
keep
this
clinic
alive
and
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
AL
At
the
last
budget,
meeting
council
asked
for
a
summary
of
what
the
average
property
tax
levy
levy
would
be
to
cover
each
million
dollars
of
budget
deficit.
We
were
told
that
the
whole
premise
of
this
year's
budget
discussions
and
all
the
carefully
orchestrated
workshops
was
that
the
budget
would
be
solved
without
another
tax
levy
increase.
AL
The
new
council
was
swept
into
office,
largely
because
citizens
no
longer
trusted
their
previous
representatives
and
because
of
the
ever-increasing
property
tax
burden.
This
council
needs
to
look
beyond
february
2010
beyond
2011
and
as
far
into
the
future
as
possible,
putting
in
place
the
means
of
generating
revenue.
That
is
not
the
result
of
property.
Tax
increases,
take
bold
action
so
once
and
for
all
there's
an
equilibrium
of
tax
distribution
in
evanston
there
are
at
least
three
alternative
revenue
generating
initiatives
that
the
council
could
turn
to.
AL
AL
X
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
I'm
jonathan
perman,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
the
evanston
chamber
of
commerce.
We
have
600
member
companies
here
in
evanston
today,
the
evanston
chamber
of
commerce
endorses
the
basic
principles
of
the
proposed
city
of
evanston
budget
as
business
owners.
We
understand
firsthand
the
difficult
financial
decisions
that
confront
the
city
council.
We've
had
to
make
some
of
those
same
types
of
decisions
in
the
last
year.
X
We
commend
the
city
council
for
directing
the
city
manager
to
address
the
structural
deficit
facing
evanston
the
commitment
by
the
city
council
to
make
tough
decisions
both
this
year
and
the
next
in
the
next
several
years
is
laudable
and
deserving
of
respect
and
support.
And,
furthermore,
the
chamber
is
impressed
with
the
city
council
making
these
decisions
consistent
with
the
12
goals,
the
city
council
outlined
last
year
and
in
the
city's
strategic
plan.
In
the
past
years,
proposals
for
cuts
and
services
have
met
with
vocal
resistance.
X
That
generated
great
debate
on
issues,
though
rarely
shedding
light
on
appropriate
alternatives.
What's
different
about
this
year's
budget
is
the
economic
context
in
which
evanston
and
other
local
governments
find
themselves?
No
longer
can
evanston
rely
on
the
natural
growth
in
sales
and
property
tax
revenue
revenues
that
it
once
could
no
longer
can
it
delay
its
responsibilities
to
its
pension
obligations,
nor
can.
X
Thank
you
and
finally,
let
me
just
say
that
a
city
budget
that
does
not
rely
on
higher
fees
and
taxes
on
commercial
enterprises
is
a
very
sensible
policy
for
the
city.
The
chamber
is
supportive
of
how
the
budget
priorities
address
the
recession's
impact
and
provide
a
renewed
focus
on
economic
development
and
on
job
creation.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
AM
AM
AM
Fl
change
of
fleet
services,
they've
done
a
shift
change
back
13
15
years
ago
to
the
shift
that
you're
proposing.
Now
it
didn't
work,
then
the
work
didn't
get
done.
They
had
to
change
back
to
the
way.
It
is
now
there's
numerous
people
here
that
are
people
sitting
next
to
you,
they're
proposed
with
their
jobs
being
lost.
If
those
people
stand
up
with
those
jobs
that
are
being
proposed
to
be
cut,
these
are
all
people
all
around.
Here.
AM
A
AN
Good
evening
I'm
steve
barbaugh
the
executive
director
of
the
evanston
media
center.
I
hope
council
has
taken
the
time
to
look
at
the
ecmc
finances.
Since
the
last
meeting,
we
sent
a
copy
of
our
most
recent
audit
to
you,
and
it
should
be
clear
that
the
500
000
plus
number
included
moneys
that
were
restricted
for
equipment
purchase
and
net
book
value
of
current
equipment.
That
is
owned.
Basically,
we
restrict.
Basically,
we
have
restricted
monies
that
were
approved
by
the
city
for
future
equipment
purchases.
AN
The
idea
was
to
not
spend
foolishly,
knowing
that
a
costly
digital
transition
would
take
more
than
the
normal
yearly
allotment.
We
started
to
make
those
purchases
but
have
stopped
due
to
the
possibility
we
may
relocate
now.
Not
everyone
here
has
probably
been
to
ecmc,
so
I
thought
I'd
give
you
a
quick
idea
of
what
was
happening
at
our
facility.
Today
we
had
four
field
cameras
checked
out
over
the
weekend
and
one
laptop
that
were
scheduled
for
return.
AN
I
had
a
visit
from
the
elk
grove
village
government
access
coordinator
to
see
our
facility
two
people
renewed
membership.
One
staffer
was
editing
an
mlk
day,
shoot
from
walker
school.
Hey,
you
know,
one
volunteer
is
editing
an
independent
project.
The
members
from
evansononline.com
came
in
to
produce
a
live
streaming.
Newscast
a
board
member
came
in
to
revise
our
plan
for
new
revenues.
Our
engineer
and
I
met
with
two
gentlemen
who
are
looking
to
help
us
at
comed
bills
with
grant
money
tonight.
AN
One
of
our
employees
is
directing
this
meeting
live
and
did
you
know
that
one
of
our
part-timers
is
covering
the
district
65
meeting?
That's
also
going
on
live
right
now
our
ops
manager
is
teaching
a
free
introduction
class
to
potential
new
members,
and
the
question
is:
do
you
think
this
organization
has
gained
the
city's
support.
A
S
S
I
would
like
to
give
one
example
out
of
several
examples
of
what
will
be
lost
if
the
mental
health
board
funds
are
cut
by
24
percent
child
care
network
of
evanston
learning
together
program
was
a
result
of
the
mental
health
board
recognizing
and
responding
to
a
need.
The
early
childhood
community
was
facing.
S
S
This
innovative
program
made
it
possible
for
many
mental
health
professionals
to
intervene
with
these
at-risk
children
and
their
parents
at
the
site
of
the
child
care
centers.
A
24
cut
in
funding
means
that
the
agency
would
not
be
able
to
serve
40
of
the
110
families
in
the
learning
together
program.
I
refer
you
to
the
memo.
We
sent
you
for
additional
examples
of
what
will
be
lost
if
the
mental
health
board
funds
are
cut.
24
percent.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
AO
Hello
good
evening,
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
here
in
your
comments.
My
name
is
cecilia
and
gary.
I'm
a
resident
at
5,
30,
sheridan
road
here
in
evanston,
and
I
wanted
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
evanston
ecology
center,
which
we've
heard
some
great
news
that
some
of
the
budget
requests
are
being
sort
of
honored
in
a
way,
but
I
still
wanted
to
speak
as
both
a
resident
who
takes
classes
and
programs
at
the
evanston
ecology
center
and
has
really
valued
and
benefited
those
program
from
those
programs.
AO
But
I
also
speak
to
you
from
behalf
of
two
small
businesses.
One
healthy
green
goods
based
here
in
evanston
and
the
green
mama
who's
based
in
chicago
both
have
run
programs
at
the
evanston
ecology
center.
So
I
feel,
uniquely
positioned
just
to
speak
out
about
the
the
incredible
value
to
residents
and
to
the
surrounding
area
for
the
gem
of
of
the
actual
location
and
then
all
of
the
incredible
education
programs
that
take
place
there.
Thank
you
thank.
AP
AP
Firstly,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
agree
with
what
a
lot
of
the
young
people
have
been
coming
forth,
saying
that
they
that
they
need
this
education
with
technology
and
how
it
helps
them.
I
agree
with
everything
they
said
and
I
think
it's
a
very
important
facility
to
keep
open
as
one
contained
facility
to
help
the
youth
to
help
seniors
anyone
that
wants
to
learn
technology
and
technology.
That
is
very,
very,
very
difficult
to
have
access
to.
AP
I
want
to
stress
that
another
thing
that
steve
said
was
that
not
a
lot
of
people
have
been
to
ecmc.
I
just
want
to
say
that
ecmc
has
a
great
potential
that
has
not
yet
been
fulfilled
it.
We
need
a
community
outreach
to
inform
people
that
you
guys
have
a
cutting
edge.
Excuse
me,
you
have
a
cutting
edge,
very
high
tech
facility.
It
beats
skokie.
It
beats
chicago
miles
around
I'm
serious.
This
thing.
It's
amazing
what
they
have
over
there.
Thank.
AP
I'm
going
to
wrap
up
and
get
to
the
point
I
really
want
to
talk
about
which
is
generating
revenue.
I
don't
think
I've
heard
anyone
talk
about
generating
revenue
yet,
but
I
believe
that
ecmc
has
the
ability
to
help
this
town
generate
revenue
by
doing
videos
similar
to
the
one
which
I
believe
will
be
shown
later
in
this
program
promoting
evanston
businesses.
You
can
create
links.
We.
AP
AQ
Hi,
my
name
is
chris
sato.
I
live
at
1820
asbury,
just
down
the
street
from
heckes.
Sorry,
I'm
normally
used
to
being
behind
the
camera.
My
voice
cracks
like
a
13
year
old
girl.
You
know
why.
I
guess
you
could
kind
of
say
I'm
a
ecmc
success
story
right
now.
I
work
as
a
professional
editor
in
downtown
chicago,
and
I
owe
a
lot
of
that
to
my
experiences
at
ecmc,
both
as
a
teacher
and
as
a
member.
I've
benefited
a
lot
from
them
as
a
member.
AQ
AQ
Also,
as
a
teacher,
I
taught
at
noise
cultural
arts
center
over
the
summer
and
they
frequently
use
ecmc
to
do
a
video
with
all
the
kids
at
the
end
of
each
session
and
any
parent
that
has
said
their
kids
there.
I'm
sure
they
say
that
that's
the
hot
spot
of
the
whole
summer
and
it
would
be
irreplaceable
if
that
was
gone
so
and
kind
of
in
closing
just
want.
AQ
You
know
the
value
that
there
is
at
ecmc
and
it's,
I
think,
it's
valuable
because
it
not
only
promotes
itself
and
helps
youth,
but
it
also
promotes
every
other
organization
in
here.
Every
place
could
have
an
access
to
that.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
greener
streets.
I
don't
think
we
need
more
condos.
AR
Janet
risky
this
budget
really
probably
is
almost
over
I'm
going
to
talk
about
really
the
next
budget
cycle,
with
the
economy
not
likely
to
improve
and
even
holding
salaries
employees
at
zero.
You
might
not
fix
the
structural.
Pro
you'll
probably
fix
the
structural
problems,
but
maybe
not
the
economic
effect.
AR
But
then
again,
if
everybody,
every
employee
group
comes
up
here
and
says,
nothing
can
be
cut
that
doesn't
work
either,
and
I
you,
as
you
know,
really
that
you're
going
to
do
something,
but
the
other
thing
that
I'm
going
to
leave
it.
I,
when
are
we
going
to
discuss
the
capital,
because
I've
heard
you
have
problems
with
that?
That's
part
of
the
budget
and
it
needs
to
be
discussed.
So
thank
you.
A
AS
AS
With
few
exceptions,
I
feel
that
you've
been
presented
with
a
budget
that
is
fair
and
realistic.
I
believe
that
a
major
contributor,
the
financial
mess
we're
currently
facing
is
that
we
have
a
history
of
spending
on
non-essential
items
with
money
we
do
not
have
as
a
taxpayer.
I
expect
the
city
to
provide
essential
services
by
essential.
I
refer
to
maintaining
the
public
infrastructure,
roads,
sewer
parks,
etc,
sanitation,
services,
high
level
of
public
safety,
police
and
fire
keeping
streets,
plowed
and
cleaned
and
a
handful
of
other
items.
AS
I
expect
my
taxes
to
support
these
costs
and
essential
services,
and
I
expect
all
services
to
benefit
majority
of
residents.
Everything
else
falls
into
the
want
category.
If,
given
enough
time,
you
would
undoubtedly
hear
from
every
person
in
evanston
who
wants
you
to
support
a
non-essential
service,
while
the
majority
of
non-essential
services
are
worthwhile,
we
cannot
afford
to
keep
spending
money.
We
don't
have
faced
with
a
nine
and
a
half
billion
dollar
budget
shortfall.
I
feel
the
physically
responsible
thing
to
do
is
to
cut
spending
on
all
non-essential
items.
AS
AS
A
AS
AT
AT
AT
AU
AU
One
of
my
job
responsibilities
is
ensuring
that
students
meet
all
state
mandated
health
requirements,
one
of
which
it
requires
that
all
kindergarten,
second
and
sixth
graders
provide
documented
proof
of
having
completed
a
dental
exam.
I
support
the
previous
speakers
in
regard
to
their
statements
championing
the
children's
dental
clinic.
Our
district
has
worked
very
closely
with
this
clinic
to
help
promote
oral
health
in
our
schools,
as
well
as
provide
direct
dental
services
to
our
students,
especially
those
from
low-income
families
who
would
not
otherwise
have
access
to
dental
care.
AU
A
AV
Thank
you.
My
name
is
judith
ramy.
I
live
at
616,
hinman
avenue.
I
have
a
personal,
but
also
a
general
reason
for
pleading
with
the
council
and
the
city
not
to
cut
24
more
percent,
an
additional
24
from
the
social
service
agencies
that
have
already
been
suffering
a
great
deal
from
other
cuts.
I'll
read
a
little
bit
from
a
letter.
I
said
earlier
to
alderman
when
let
me
first
say
to
the
gentleman
in
the
green
shirt.
AV
We
have
a
huge
these
folks
have
huge
decisions
to
make,
but
it's
not
that
easy
to
cut
essential
from
not
essential
they
meld
together,
and
let
me
just
quote
very
briefly:
24
from
this
letter.
24
percent
of
an
already
modest
budget
would
be
a
huge
and
drastic
action
affecting
a
population
which
cannot
in
any
way
afford
the
kind
of
disrupt
disruption
that
would
inevitably
occur.
AV
Evanston
cannot
allow
its
its
most
vulnerable
residents
to
bear
the
brunt
of
its
budget
crisis
when
other
programs
and
populations
are
much
better
able
to
withstand
the
negative
effects
of
budget
cuts.
We
take
pride
in
our
city.
I
need
to
direct
what
it
does
for
its
citizens
and
that
affects
all
of
us
and
it's
essential.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
AW
I
just
want
to
add
to
judith's
comments
that
if
we
don't
take
care
of
these
people
as
best
we
can
and
help
them
as
best
we
can.
The
problems
just
multiply
and
gets
more
expensive
and
people
end
up
in
mental
health.
They
end
up
in
psychiatric
wards
and
they
end
up
in
prison
and
it
costs
us
a
lot
more
money
and
a
lot
more
societal
grief.
So
I
think
24
is
just
draconian
and
I
hope
you
can
improve
that
a
little
bit.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
AX
I
looked
for
inviting
personalities
and
smiling
faces,
and
here
I
saw
people
from
the
evanston
ecology
center
waiting
to
interview
me
well.
My
interview
went
well
and
I
was
notified
that
I
was
going
to
be
an
assistant
camp
counselor
and
over
the
next
nine
years
I
was
able
to
work
my
way
through
evanston
ecology
programs
and
became
the
director
of
one
of
their
larger
day
camps
of
ecoquest,
and
so,
through
my
experiences
with
them,
I
was
able
to
be
nurtured.
I
was
trained.
AX
I
was
led,
and
now
I'm
working
at
haven
as
a
middle
school
math
teacher,
and
this
is
thanks
in
large
part
to
my
success
and
my
training
that
I
was
given
at
the
ecology
center.
They
allowed
me
to
learn
about
protecting
and
conserving
my
resources
in
the
community
as
well
as
in
on
the
earth,
and
I
just
want
to
be
get
be
able
to
give
an
opportunity
to
others
to
the
next
generation
to
teach
them
about
the
things
that
I've
learned
and
to
kind
of
pay
it
forward.
Courtney,
I
apologize.
AX
Can
you
wind
it
up?
Yes
and
investing
in
the
youth?
Cutting
the
budget
means
that
we're
cutting
leadership
out
of
the
community,
cutting
down
community
service
and
cutting
back
in
the
investment
in
evanston
youth.
I
would
like
to
to
continue
my
family
legacy.
As
my
late
uncle
alan
beau
price
did
was
such
an
instrumental
pillar
in
evanston
community,
so
save
the
evanston
ecology
center
change
lives.
Thank
you
for
investing
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
Courtney.
AY
Thank
you,
mayor
alderman
and
city
manager.
First
james
wilinski,
2242
lincolnwood
drive
in
evanston.
First,
I
want
to
compliment
city
manager,
bob
kowitz,
on
his
initial
proposed
budget.
I
thought
it
was
a
valiant
professional
attempt
for
an
equitable
review
of
all
city
services
to
determine
how
to
make
up
this
nine
and
a
half
million
dollar
shortfall.
AY
I
would
question,
however,
why
there
were
no
position
eliminations
proposed
in
the
enterprise
fund
areas,
but
I
am
here
tonight
as
your
former
city
director,
to
discuss
positional
limited
eliminations
in
the
community
development
department
budget.
In
mr
bobquitz's
proposed
budget.
He
had
a
zoning
officer
and
electrical
inspector
position
to
be
cut.
AY
I
thought
these,
while
certainly
not
great,
were,
were
everyone's
got
to
make
make
a
point,
so
I
felt
that
the
the
cd
department
was
making
a
contribution.
However,
in
the
latest
rounds
of
cuts,
three
positions
are
proposed:
a
structural
inspector
position,
the
assistant
director
in
charge
of
the
building
department,
as
well
as
the
cd
secretary
executive,
secretaries
being
proposed.
These
cuts.
I
do
not
understand.
Let
me
address
each
of
these.
The
structural
inspector
position,
who
you
heard
from
tonight,
ed
julian,
is
a
licensed
engineer.
AY
AY
AY
AZ
You
have
one
of
the
most
efficient
caring,
effective
organizations
that
an
organization
of
any
kind
could
have,
and
I'm
asking
you
to
not
consider
further
reductions
and
I
say
further
reductions,
because
if
you
go
back
to
the
mid
80s,
they
were
2.3
percent
of
your
city
budget.
Today,
they're
0.7
they
have
taken
a
70
reduction
and
that's,
as
we
have
grown
in
the
number
of
people,
development
with
developmental
disabilities
and
mental
illness
that
have
been
served
by
this
organization.
AZ
Every
city
is
made
up
of
people,
environment
and
services
and
within
every
group
of
citizens
and
people
you
have
a
portion
that
are
disabled.
These
folks,
for
the
most
part,
never
asked
for
their
disability.
They
were
brought
into
this
world.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
help
them
achieve
as
much
as
they
can.
These
organizations
help
individuals
become
more
independent,
satisfying
and
productive
citizens
providers
are
very
limited.
I
heard
in
a
previous
meeting
do
need.
AZ
BA
BA
The
center
has
been
an
important
part
of
the
evanson
community,
since
1974.
its
location
in
la
la
arboretum
facilitates
the
use
of
its
services
and
provides
a
multitude
of
environmental
teaching
opportunities.
In
this
regard,
as
you
have
heard,
the
center
sponsors
a
wide
range
of
classes
and
programs.
I
would
highlight
just
one
nature:
pals,
which
introduces
very
young
children
to
nature
and
the
out
of
doors.
Each
of
my
three
grandchildren,
who
are
also
evident
residents,
have
loved
that
program.
BA
The
center
staff
leads
canoe
trips,
highlighting
the
natural
history
of
the
north
shore
channel
the
center
also
sponsors
the
popular
children's
fishing
program
in
lovelace
park,
which
my
grandsons
love
it's
home
to
keep
evanston
beautiful.
It
provides
meeting
space
for
community
groups
such
as
the
evanston
north
shore,
bird
club,
and
it's
the
site
of
the
evanson
green
living
festival
as
ditch
as
dick
peach
noted,
the
center's
building
was
a
gift
from
the
citizens
of
evanson
to
the
city
as
evidence
and
residents
have
supported
measures
to
preserve
our
natural
resources.
For
a
long
time.
BA
More
recently,
on
march
27
2006,
the
evanston
city
council
unanimously
approved
the
evans
strategic
plan.
The
plan
strives
to
obtain
the
most
effective
use
of
the
city's
limited
resources
by
focusing
those
resources
on
key
priorities
in
this
regard,
let's
wrap
it
up.
Okay,
thank
you.
Evanson
is
to
be
known
as
the
green
city
and
will
embrace
the
best
ecological
practices
and
policies
in
our
government
services
and
infrastructure.
I
urge
you
to
continue
supporting
the
evanson
ecology
center.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
BB
BB
BB
BB
BC
BC
I
am
here
to
ask
you
to
reconsider
and
not
make
any
changes
to
the
scheduling
of
the
staff.
You
have
wisely
invested
and
upgraded
equipment
and
continue
to
educate
the
paramedics
and
fire
service
staff.
Why
would
you
jeopardize
the
delivery
of
those
services
with
a
with
an
increased
time
frame
if
the
staff
is
rescheduled
in
any
way?
Two
minutes
is
critical
in
the
life
and
death
situation,
and
life
services
is
something
everyone
uses
infants
seniors.
BC
I'm
asking
you
to
reconsider
that
and,
lastly,
want
to
compliment
the
mayor
who,
for
the
first
time
that
I've
read,
has
made
inroads
to
communication
and
negotiation
with
northwestern
university,
and
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to.
Please
continue
that,
hopefully,
to
get
a
fair
share
from
them
for
the
life
safety
services
that
they
always
have
used
and
continue
to
use
in
the
way
of
thanks
for
the
equipment,
but
let's
get
some
money.
A
BD
Good
evening
I'm
kara
sokol.
I
live
at
1709
livingston
street.
I'm
here
tonight,
advocating
on
behalf
of
the
evanston
high
school
teen
moms
and
their
infants
and
toddlers
who
are
served
through
the
child
care
and
parenting
support
programs
of
teen
baby
nursery
teen.
Baby
nursery
is
partially
funded
by
the
mental
health
board
budget
and
operated
by
the
infant
welfare
society
of
evanston,
for
which
I
serve
as
a
board.
BD
Member
evanston
is
fortunate
to
have
multiple,
high
quality
early
childhood
programs
serving
families
of
all
economic
situations,
including
each
of
the
early
childhood
programs
supported
by
the
mental
health
health
board,
all
of
which
are
vulnerable
to
severe
cuts
from
the
state
of
illinois.
Due
to
the
budget
crisis,
the
research
is
clear.
What
happens
in
the
first
five
years
of
life
sets
the
stage
for
what
will
happen
in
the
rest
of
a
child's
life.
BD
Over
80
percent
of
teen
baby
nursery
moms
graduate
from
high
school,
which
is
double
the
national
average.
Finally,
to
quote
university
chicago
economist
and
nobel
laureate,
dr
james
heckman,
who
wrote
in
2006
in
an
era
of
tight
government
budgets,
the
real
question
is
how
to
use
available
funds
wisely.
BD
BF
BE
BG
BH
BJ
BK
BE
BF
BJ
BE
BE
BH
Thing,
I
think
it's
very
important,
because
the
fact
that
you
can
voice
your
opinion
and
have
it
seen
by
like
tons
of
other
people
who
have
televisions
in
their
houses
is
wonderful
because
it
allows
you
to
just
to
not
only
be
heard
by
like
your
family
or
your
friends.
It
allows
everyone
to
hear
your
opinion,
which
is
definitely
important.
You.
BE
Send
a
letter
to
the
editor
of
the
everson
review,
yeah
they're,
not
going
to
publish
it.
What
what?
What
are
your
chances?
One
in
ten
you?
You
know,
you
got
a
website,
people
gonna
go
hunt
it
you
come
and
say
something
here:
it's
beamed
into
houses.
We
have
our
own
channel
here
and
you
can
reach
the
people.
BJ
BE
BJ
I
think
it's
kind
of
contradictory
man,
you
know
to
have
these
facilities
open.
You
know
at
one
point
in
time
you
know
and
then
to
have
them
cut.
Just
for
you
know,
for
budgetary
reasons,
you
know
if
you
guys
offer
this
type
of
a
program
and
and
with
such
affordable
prices.
I
really
feel
that
you
know
they
should
be
helping.
You
guys
out
the
notion.
BJ
BE
BL
BL
BL
It
was
announced
at
the
senior
group
at
the
leave
at
fleetwood.
Jordan
center.
I
belong
to
that
group,
see
I'm
a
senior
and
they
told
us
that
the
fleetwood
jordan
center
is
coming
back
to
family
focus
whoa.
We
was
happy
and
everything
people
wanted
it
back
because
they
wanted
to
know
what
it
was
coming
back,
but
then
I
came
here
and
because
you
didn't
tell
us
that
one
the
program
manager
might
leave
the
program
number
of
performance
will
be
dues.
BL
You
didn't
tell
us
that,
well,
your
little
clerk
up
there
that
you
always
see
at
the
leaving
center,
she
might
be
gone.
None
of
these
things
was
told
to
us,
and-
and
I
thought
about
it-
and
I
wasn't
here
last
week
to
speak
on-
it
was
due
to
illness,
a
toothache,
so
I
needed
a
dentist,
but
those
two
actions
of
reducing
the
program
and
eliminating
a
program
manager
in
effect
is
closing
that
center
wrap
it
up.
Thank
you
and
the
other
thing
with
the
police
department.
BL
BM
Good
evening
my
name
is
jason
hayes
I
live
at
712
dobson.
Thank
you
for
allowing
to
hear
us
all
tonight.
Primarily
I
like
to
echo
chris
ernst's
sentiments.
You
read
his
statements
and
they'll
find
that
I
echo
many
of
them,
I'm
here
tonight
to
speak.
As
a
citizen
of
the
great
eighth
ward,
I
fear
that
too
much
attention
has
been
paid
to
the
vocal
minority
clamoring
or
after
clamoring
after
luxury
items
such
as
branch,
libraries,
ecmc
and
the
ecology
center
at
the
expense
of
basic
vital
public
safety
concerns.
BM
BM
It's
foolish
to
choose
the
cable
bill
over
the
gas
bill
or
to
skip
the
mortgage
instead
of
cutting
back
on
dining
out.
Difficult
choices
need
to
be
made.
Vital
services
must
take
priorities
over
luxuries.
Wants
must
be
superseded
by
needs,
while
nobody
enjoys
sacrificing
their
quality
of
life.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
make
cuts
which
may
actually
cost
someone
their
life.
BM
No
one
wants
to
see
their
program
cut
or
their
cause
ignored,
but
simply
crying
out
against
cuts
is
not
sufficient.
Alternatives
must
be
weighed.
I
understand
the
outcry
against
cutting
the
ecology
center.
After
all,
we
only
have
one
we
already
have
a
fabulous
downtown
library
branches
are
superfluous.
BM
BN
BN
Life
safety
service
is
a
core
city
service,
and
this
appears
to
me
to
be
the
last
place
that
we
should
be
looking
to
cut,
especially
when
we're
stacking
that
against
our
branch,
libraries
is
now
two
people
have
been
brave
enough
to
say
we
have
a
beautiful
downtown
library
and
I
think
that
we
should
really
look
at
cutting
the
branches
fire
departments
already
operating
from
a
deficit
in
manpower
and
further
reducing
that
would
drastically
impact
services.
I
think
70,
it's
terrible.
BN
It's
been
15
years
since
I've
been
coming
to
city
hall
to
lobby
the
city
council,
five
city
councils
with
regard
to
the
care
and
the
maintenance
of
the
parkway
trees.
It's
been
10
years
since
the
city
council
made
a
decision
to
try
to
fix
the
mess
that
was
made
probably
20
years
ago
by
another
city
manager.
Who
was
looking
for
places
to
cut
and
found
that
maybe
nobody
would
notice
if
we
stop
trimming
our
trees.
Unfortunately,
the
taxpayers
paid
dearly.
Maybe
we
need
you
to
wrap
up.
Okay,
taxpayers
have
paid
a
lot
of
money.
BN
We've
invested
up
to
two
million,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
in
new
employees
in
new
equipment,
and
it's
throwing
good
money
after
bad
to
cause
us
to
now
have
to
go
into
a
longer
tree
trimming
cycle
when
we
have
yet
to
catch
up
we're
already
at
nine
years
and
we're
trying
to
get
to
three
to
four.
We've
invested
that
money.
If
we
don't
continue
to
maintain
the
program
that
we've.
C
J
C
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
before
mr
lyons
gets
up
and
gives
a
presentation
regarding
other
operating
funds
as
well
as
our
capital
budget.
I
just
want
to
briefly
explain
what
you
have
at
your
seats
this
evening.
First,
you
should
have
a
hard
copy
of
the
revised
question
and
answers
dated
january
29
2010..
C
You
should
have
also
received
another
copy
of
my
january
29
memorandum,
which
outlines
some
updates
from
our
last
meeting.
The
only
change
in
this
memorandum
is
beginning
on
page
five,
the
memorandum
from
mrs
miss
johns,
the
library
director,
some
of
the
the
numbers
regarding
the
hour
reductions
and
the
hours
of
neighboring
libraries
were.
The
sum
of
those
numbers
was
not
correct,
so
we
have
made
adjustments
there.
We
have
also
provided
for
you
this
evening,
two
additional
memorandum.
C
One
is
a
memo
dated
february
1
2010
from
mr
gainer
to
me
in
response
to
a
question
that
was
raised
by
believe
alderman
wilson
on
the
cultural
arts
fund
and
then
also
a
revised
memo
dated
january
28th
from
fire
chief
burkowski
to
me
regarding
minimum
daily
staffing
levels.
This
information
has
an
added
column
of
average
response
times
so
you'd
seen
an
earlier
version
of
this
memorandum
dated
128.
C
We
have
added
since
then
a
column
regarding
average
response
times.
So
that
is
the
information
before
you
again.
Mr
lyons
is
here.
We've
spent
the
majority
of
our
time.
Speaking
about
the
general
fund,
we
would
like
to
just
take
a
brief
time
to
talk
about
other
operating
funds
and
also
a
brief
discussion
on
the
capital
budget.
We
will
be
recommending
that
before
we
would
move
forward
with
any
further
work
on
any
capital
project
once
the
operating
budget
is
adopted,
that
we
would
come
back
to
you
to
discuss
those
projects
one
at
a
time.
C
BO
So
tonight
we
are
going
to
hit
the
other
funds,
and
this
is
our
we'll
be
talking
about
schedule
after
that.
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
right
through
this.
What
are
our
other
funds?
Our
other
funds
include
enterprise
funds,
those
that
are
run
in
a
more
business
type
fashion
in
that
they
have
their
own
assets,
their
own
liabilities
and
their
own
fees
for
service.
They
do
not
rely
on
taxes
specifically
to
complete
complete
their
mission.
Our
capital
improvements
funds,
such
as
the
capital
improvements
fund.
Also,
our
tif
funds
are
deemed
capital
projects
funds.
BO
BO
So
again,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
general
fund
budget
tonight
and
of
that
that
that
budget
we're
projecting
at
about
85
million,
our
total
budget
is
234
million.
So
you
can
see
the
general
fund
makes
up
just
over
40
percent
of
that,
yet
it
still
encompasses
a
majority
of
our
staff,
so
you
can
see
in
our
other
areas
it's
where
we're
spending
capital.
It's
where
we're
using
contractual
assistance.
It's
our
pension
funds,
those
wouldn't
fall
into
the
same
category
as
our
major
operating
funds,
a
lot
of
times.
BO
So
what
we've
done
here
with
this
graph
is
to
say
well
who's
spending
the
dollars.
So
in
this
graph
you
can
see,
for
instance,
public
works.
You
see
that
very
large
slice
of
the
pie,
that's
because
that
includes
public
works,
streets
and
sanitation,
water
sewer
capital
projects,
so
that
includes
all
of
those
items
and
that's
why
you'd
see
police
and
fire
not
being
quite
as
big
as
that
public
works
slice,
even
though
they
are
a
major
part
of
our
operating
expenses.
BO
So
our
enterprise
funds,
the
enterprise
funds.
We
include
parking,
sewer
and
water
for
the
most
part,
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
these
to
you.
I
just
point
out
that
our
parking
fund
is
operating
very
well.
We
are
looking
at
a
number
of
issues
at
the
parking
committee
for
changes
in
our
parking
deck
utilization,
new
programs.
One
of
the
things
I
would
point
out
is
that
presently,
with
the
current
debt
load,
our
parking
fund
isn't
self-sufficient.
BO
BO
The
our
water
fund
accounts
for
all
the
water
sales
to
both
evanston
residents,
as
well
as
on
the
northwest
water,
commission
and
the
city
of
skokie.
We
are
presently
looking
at
per
council
direction,
ways
to
expand
our
services,
but
our
goal
is
to
grow
our
system
to
make
it.
It
is
a
great
resource
to
make
it
a
better
resource
for
the
city
of
evanston
right
now
in
the
past
three
to
four
years.
This
isn't
any
news.
Our
total
consumption
and
pumpage
has
gone
down,
so
that's
partially
from
weather
and
partially
from
conservation.
BO
Unfortunately,
that
means
that
that
total
amount
of
pumpage
means
less
revenues
to
support
our
capital
program.
So
we
hope
to
come
back
to
the
council
during
2010
and
talk
about
the
male
company
rate
study
and
talk
about
the
needs
of
our
capital
program
versus
rates
that
can
be
looked
at
to
see
if
we
can
increase
the
water
rate
at
the
same
time
that
a
sewer
rate
has
changed
on
the
other
way,
but
water
and
sewer
work
hand
in
hand.
So
these
are
things
as
the
manager
pointed
out.
BO
We
want
to
bring
back
to
you
after
the
operating
budget
is
completed
again,
as
noted
the
sewer
fund,
it's
one,
that
is
in
a
little
bit
more
dire
straits
than
the
water
fund
only
because
we've
done
such
a
great
job
of
rebuilding
that
infrastructure.
Over
the
past
two
decades,
the
council
has
approved
a
tremendously
large
capital
project
and
we're
paying
down
the
debt
on
that
project.
We
should
have
our
highest
debt
payment
in
the
next
two
to
three
years,
and
then
it
will
start
to
drop
off.
BO
Our
internal
service
funds,
one
of
our
larger
internal
service
funds,
now
is
the
insurance
fund.
Before
this
year
we
only
had
liability
and
workers
comp
deemed
to
be
a
part
of
our
insurance
fund.
We
are
now
self-funding,
our
health
insurance.
As
a
part
of
that
self-funding,
we
have
joined
the
intergovernmental
personal
benefits
co-op
and
we
have
a
rate
stabilization
for
the
next
19
months.
So
the
rate
that
we
have
in
this
budget
will
not
change
until
june
30th
2011
for
our
insurance
costs.
BO
BO
We
insure
all
of
our
own
claims
up
to
two
million
dollars,
so
that
means
that
for
the
most
part
we
pay
claims
and
don't
have
insurance.
The
2
million
is
for
an
excess
large
claim
so
that
we
are
covered
in
the
long
haul.
The
fund
also
maintains
reserves,
but
we
have
been
spending
down
those
reserves
because
we've
been
fairly
efficient
in
settling
claims,
because
of
that
one
of
the
things
that's
added
to
the
general
fund
deficit
this
year
is
the
fact
that
we
need
to
add
we're
adding
about
1.6
million
into
this
insurance
fund.
BO
We
need
to
be
funding
all
of
those
workers
comp
all
those
property
claims
at
the
proper
level.
So
this
is,
for
the
most
part,
a
general
fund
expense
a
little
bit
in
water,
sewer
and
parking,
but
the
bulk
of
it
comes
out
of
the
general
fund.
So
that's
one
of
the
major
contributors
to
the
general
fund
deficit.
BO
One
of
our
other
internal
service
funds
and
we've
talked
about
it-
is
the
the
fleet
fund.
We
have
been
looking
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
at
reductions
to
the
fleet
also
included
in
this
budget,
as
reduction
in
fleet
hours,
that
you've
seen
that
under
a
separate
cover,
the
fleet
fund
is
responsible
for
taking
care
of
all
maintenance,
and
it
is
also
where
we
track
the
replacement
of
city
vehicles.
BO
And
finally,
we've
had
many
discussions
about
the
police
and
fire
pension
funds
over
the
past
year
and
a
half,
and
even
prior
to
that
we
are
currently
at
42.9
and
41.2,
respectively,
funded
for
those
two
funds.
The
the
total
unfunded
liability
is
approximately
158
million
dollars.
As
of
our
most
recent
actuarial
report
and
as
we've
discussed
with
the
council,
we
have
been
funding
at
the
proper
level.
We
have
gone
with
more
conservative
assumptions
and
we
will
continue
to
review
those.
BO
The
one
of
the
things
that
is
our
largest
cost
and
you'll
see
it
in
this
year's
budget,
as
a
closer
comparison
is,
is
that
our
imrf
costs
went
from
eight
percent
of
salaries
to
almost
12
percent,
and
that
was
a
mostly
due
to
the
payoff
of
our
early
retirement
initiative
and
that
will
go
away
after
10
years,
but
that's
compared
to
our
normal
cost
of
15.2
and
18.1
percent
for
police
and
fire
respectively,
and
those
normal
costs
will
stay
fairly
constant
over
time.
That
is
the
the
cost
to
pay
the
current
staffs
pensions.
BO
So
we
went
through
the
other
funds
fairly
quickly.
We
just
want
to,
as
the
manager
pointed
out,
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
capital
improvements
fund,
and
I
think
that
the
the
critical
part
to
remind
everyone
is
is
that
our
capital
improvements
fund
is
solely
reliant
on
grants,
motor
fuel
tax
or
intergovernmental
revenues
and
debt
service.
So
the
debt
service
is
another
way
of
saying
property
tax.
We
issue
general
obligation,
bonds
and
then
pay
property
taxes
for
those
projects
in
the
capital
improvements
fund
for
those
projects
in
the
water
fund
or
in
the
sewer
fund.
BO
BO
As
we
pointed
out,
we
don't
plan
to
do
that.
We
plan
to
come
back
to
you
with
that
detailed
program.
We
will
move
ahead
on
those
situations
where
the
funding
is
completely
covered
by
other
entities
such
as
the
most
recent
motor
fuel
tax
ordinance.
I'm
sorry
resolution
that
went
through
so
that
those
are
eight
streets
that
are
totally
covered
by
motor
fuel
tax.
BO
BO
So
we
think
that
those
things
in
this
new
economy
need
to
be
discussed
as
far
as
our
ability
to
do
those
in
this
next
five
years,
given
our
current
debt
load
again,
this
is
just
another
view.
We
certainly
don't
would
not
anticipate
issuing
50
million
dollars
in
debt
in
11
12.
if
we
were
doing
the
crown
or
the
civic
center.
BO
We
would
assume
that
we'd
be
moving
forward
to
that
with
that,
if
we'd
gotten
a
large
federal
funding
or
any
other
kind
of
a
grant,
that
would
allow
us
to
proceed
so
another
way
to
look
at
our
capital
projects
is
by
our
funding
source.
So
we
don't
rely
solely
on
general
obligation
debt.
We
do.
You
can
see
on
the
far
right
column,
15
million,
that's
the
debt
service.
BO
We
did
not
issue
any
this
year
and
we
still
have
a
reserve
balance
in
the
capital
improvements
fund,
but
you
can
see
we
have
other
areas
of
funds,
so
4.4
million
from
grants,
1.8
million
from
motor
fuel
tax
revenues.
Our
e-911
fund
has
been
great
as
far
as
funding
some
of
those
critical
projects
at
the
e-911
center.
So
that's
been
a
great
help
to
the
capital
projects
for
the
city.
BO
The
fleet
amount
that
you
see.
There
is
the
actual
expense,
with
a
1.7
million.
What
we
plan
to
buy
for
vehicles
next
year,
the
water
revenue
at
8
million
dollars
that
is
again
looking
at
both
a
mixture
of
water
debt,
where
we
would
have
water
bonds
or
general
obligation,
bonds
funded
by
the
water
department,
along
with
operating
revenues
diverted
for
capital
purposes.
BO
As
you
can
see,
the
sewer
revenue
875
000,
that
is
only
for
cipp
lining
and
other
critical
capital
maintenance
items.
We
do
not
plan
to
do
any
major
sewer
capital
projects
funded
from
the
sewer
fund
next
year.
If
we
are
allowed,
if
we
are
able
to
get
grants,
we
will
move
forward
with
those
projects
upon
acceptance
by
the
council.
BO
Actually,
I'm
hoping,
as
you
know,
we
recently
were
able
to
get
the
iepa
where
they
were,
providing
both
grants
and
zero
interest
loans
for
the
first
time.
So
we
are
still
exploring
the
zero
interest
loan
part
and
we
certainly,
if
they're,
the
last
one
that
we
were
looking
at
was
a
75
25
split.
It
was
still
only
25,
but
it
was
still
that
was
part
of
the
grant
for
that
loan
along
with
that
loan.
BO
A
Excuse
me,
I
just
wrote:
senator
durbin
at
dave
stoneback's
request,
asking
that
the
federal
government
put
several
billion
more
dollars
into
water
and
listing
a
large
number
of
shovel
ready
projects
that
we
had.
So
there
is
a
push
and
some
interest
in
the
part
of
the
federal
government
in
doing
that,
don't
count
on
any
checks
soon.
BO
One
of
the
things
that
we
we
do
like
to
see
those
grants
and
we'll
move
expeditiously
on
them,
but
we
also
want
to
keep
a
minimum
reserve
balance
in
the
capital
improvements
fund,
such
that,
if
we
have
an
emergency
project
that
needs
to
be
done,
we
would
have
the
funds
available
to
take
care
of
it,
especially
if
it's
not
a
water,
not
a
sewer
and
not
a
parking
project.
We
will
need
to
have
some
money
in
reserves
in
the
capital
projects
fund
to
take
care
of.
BO
I
trying
to
think
of
if
we're
a
bridge
project
that
came
up
and
we
had
no
other
source
of
funds,
but
we
had
to
repair
a
bridge
over
the
canal.
That
kind
of
a
project
is
not
inexpensive,
so
this
la
this
next
slide
is
just
to
take
a
look
at.
How
are
we
spending
the
dollars
so,
for
instance,
the
administration?
BO
No,
we
are
not
spending
300
000
on
an
administrative
project
that
is
actually
the
transfer
for
all
of
the
engineers
etc
to
the
general
fund
for
all
of
their
services
out
of
the
capital
improvements
fund.
But
then
you
see
our
other
areas:
technology
facilities,
fire
library,
parks,
forestry,
police,
public
works
and
economic,
slash,
community
development
and
I'd
be
in
the
detail
that
you've
received
is
also
online.
BO
BO
BO
Actually,
I
think
it
will.
I
again
this
is
our
this:
the
capital
improvements
team
sat
down
and
cut
back
from
about
50
million
dollars
down
to
the
37
million,
but
it
still
has
a
15
million
dollar
bond
issue,
so
the
chances
that
all
of
these
projects
by
source
or
by
type
in
this
case
will
stay
at
that
level.
We
think
that
they'll
come
down
a
little
bit
based
on.
BQ
So
let
me
just
yeah
city
manager,
I
would
suggest
one
of
the
things
that
happens
is
that
once
we
make
a
decision,
then
in
february
we
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
further
discuss
certain
projects.
That
then
constitutes
the
overall
plan
and
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
those
markers
so
that
we're
not
just
chasing
after
whatever
is
proposed
to
us
two
days
or
three
days
prior
to
the
expenditure.
C
Alderman
john
bev
she's,
member
of
the
council,
I
agree
with
you
100
and
that's
why
we're
not
going
to
be
asking
you
for
a
mass
approval
of
these
projects.
This
is
this
at
this
point
remains
a
destiny's
a
wish
list
from
your
staff.
I'm
also
concerned
of
the
high
level
of
debt
that
the
city
is
carrying,
and
I
don't
know
marty
if
we
left
the
slide
in
the
talks
about.
We
didn't
know
the
debt.
We
are
currently
over
how
many
million
dollars
over
the
council's
debt
ceiling
for
25.
BO
C
A
BP
Marty,
I
was
just
wondering
and
and
aldrin
john
baptiste
makes
a
good
point.
This
technology
number
I'm
curious
to
know,
even
though
the
police
have
449
000
in
this.
In
this
capital
projects
by
function
couldn't
some
of
that
million
100
000
be
from
9-1-1
projects
because
for
the
most
part
they
are
technology
projects.
Yes,.
BP
BO
BO
C
And
again,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
thank
you
for
letting
us
talk.
Obviously,
the
other
funds
are
are
more
than
half
of
the
city's
budget,
but
I
really
want
to
focus
on
the
question
that
alderman
john
baptiste
raised,
and
that
is
the
feeling
that
the
council
needs
to
go
through
this
in
the
finer
detail
than
you
have
before.
BP
BP
I
know
that
this
is
very
difficult
and
especially
difficult,
because
we
have
so
many
new
members
of
our
staff
and
so
many
new
members
of
the
council,
but
I
can
honestly
say
that
I've
not
seen
such
a
depth
of
inquiry
and
concern
by
any
council
that
I
ever
served
with.
So
I'm
I'm
just
really
grateful
to
all
of
you.
BP
A
BS
BS
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
in
the
city
manager's
memo
the
only
way
that
it
was
proposed
to
close
to
maintain
the
branches
was
to
close
the
main
library
for
a
day.
I,
I
think,
that's
a
not
an
acceptable
suggestion
to
me
and
to
most
of
the
other
members
of
the
council
to
close
the
main
library
for
a
day.
I
would
like
to
find
ways
in
which
we
could
find
the
money
to
keep
the
main
library
open
for
that
seventh
day
and
and
look
again
for
the
solutions
for
maintaining
the
north
and
south
branch.
BS
The
south
branch
has
been
there
for,
I
believe,
its
entire
life.
It
serves
the
citizens
from
a
walking
distance
from
not
only
the
third
ward
but
the
fourth
ward,
the
eighth
ward
and
the
ninth
ward
lincoln
school.
The
school
my
children
attended,
has
40
percent
low
income
children.
There
are
children
who
are
at
lincoln,
who
are
from
the
third
fourth,
eighth
and
ninth
wards,
and
that
is
their
opportunity
to
go
to
the
walking
distance
to
a
local
library.
BS
There
are
a
lot
of
outreach
programs
that
come
from
the
south
branch,
it's
also
in
walking
distance
of
nichols
middle
school,
and
we
heard
a
wonderful
description
of
how
it
serves
the
students
at
park
school.
I
don't
want
to
give
up
on
the
branch
libraries
they've
come
forward.
The
the
task
force
from
the
the
library
board
has
stepped
forward.
Karen
terry
told
us
all
of
the
actions
that
they've
taken
in
the
last
week.
BS
I
think
it's
premature
to
to
close
the
branches
without
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
do
what
they
do.
What
the
library
board
is
saying
that
they
can
do,
and
the
supporters
are
saying
that
they
would
like
to
do,
which
is
raise
funds
and
figure
out
a
funding
stream
to
maintain
the
the
north
and
south
branch.
BS
I
don't
support
a
special
service
district
and
I
absolutely
don't
support
a
separate
library
district.
I
think
that's
a
mistake,
but
I
think
that
this
community
can
come
come
up
with
the
ways
in
which
we
maintain
both
the
north
and
south
branch.
The
north
branch
is
an
economic
generator
on
central
street
and
there's
no
question
that
there's
that
that's
valuable
to
not
only
the
residents
there
but
to
all
of
the
merchants
there
central
street
is
vibrant.
BS
I
wish
that
main
street
was
as
vibrant
as
it
was
as
it
is,
but
I
think
both
the
north
and
south
branch
serve
a
different
need
in
the
community
than
the
main
library
does.
I
agree.
The
main
library
needs
a
more
a
better
collection,
but
the
north
and
south
branch
and
all
the
literature
that
we've
received
from
the
library
supporters
indicates
that
branch
libraries
act
in
a
different
function
with
respect
to
library
services.
So
I
I
strongly
disagree.
I
think
that
the
council
would
be
acting
prematurely
to
move
to
close
these
at
this
time.
BS
BP
BP
BP
BP
BP
This
is
this
is
a
very
serious
situation
and
to
say
give
the
the
libraries
another
year
to
raise
money
that
is
impossible
to
raise
is
only
dragging
our
feet
and
creating
more
of
a
stressful
situation
on
on
this
community,
and
we
will
have
the
same
conversation
in
one
year.
We've
been
having
the
same
conversation
for
10
years.
The
library
supporters
of
the
branches
have
never
done
anything
to
to
make
any
kind
of
changes,
and
the
reason
they
haven't
is
because
there
aren't
private
funds
to
keep
the
libraries
open.
BP
It's
it's
just
it's
just
a
waste
of
time,
and
I
would
really
ask
the
council
to
move
on
february
9th
is
in
a
week.
We
it's
not
too
soon
to
be
doing
this.
We've
known,
we
had
this
budget
to
pass
for
months
and
for
12
months
since
we
passed
the
last
budget,
we've
known
this
is
coming
and
so
to
say
that
we
need
more
time.
We
don't
have
more
time,
aldermen
win.
BP
Perhaps
the
people
in
your
ward
can
well
afford
it,
but
I
am
telling
you
that
the
people
in
my
ward
and
I'm
going
to
stand
up
for
them
until
the
bitter
end,
because
they
cannot
afford
it.
They
can
absolutely
not
afford
it
got
people
living
one
half
block
from
howard
street,
paying
11
000
a
year
in
property
taxes,
and
that
has
got
to
stop.
BP
That's
just
got
to
stop
you
don't
know
what
that's
like,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
people
in
my
I
know
you
know
what
eleven
thousand
in
taxes
is
like,
but
you
don't
know
what
it's
like,
not
being
able
to
pay
those
taxes.
So
I
am
asking
those
members
of
this
council
who
think
it
is
important
to
have
these
libraries
as
a
community
center
to
burden
the
rest
of
the
city
to
pay
for
them.
BR
Thank
you.
Madam
mayor.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
library.
Supporters
come
to
the
podium
and
give
us
these
wonderful
stories.
Tell
us
these
stories
about
how
they've
been
long-time
patrons
of
our
branch,
libraries
and
the
main
library
and
the
wilmette
library,
and
if
I
were
you,
I
would
not
be
persuaded
based
upon
stories
about
custom
inconvenience.
I
don't
find
it
persuasive
and
I
don't
expect
you
would
either.
BR
For
me,
my
primary
concern
about
the
branch
library
and,
more
specifically
the
north
branch
library,
which
is
in
the
seventh
ward,
is
that
the
north
branch
library
is
an
anchor
to
central
street
to
its
business
district
in
a
way
that
very
few
other
businesses
are
the
75
000
people
who
walk
through
the
front
door
of
the
branch
library
in
central
street.
I
don't
see
a
way
that
we
can
replicate
that
many
people
on
central
street
by
any
other
entity.
BR
We
have
heard
from
the
central
street
neighbors
association,
which
again
has
told
us
that
that
branch
library
is
vitally
important
to
commerce
on
central
street.
The
library
board
has
put
us
in
a
different
position
than
our
previous
year's
discussions
about
branch
libraries,
and
that
is
the
library
board,
is
the
board
of
trustees.
Is
supportive
of
branch
library
services,
not
just
at
our
two
branches,
but
with
the
thought
to
expanding
services.
BR
BR
So,
as
I
said,
we're
in
a
different
position
now
we're
not.
We
can
talk
about
long-term
sustainability
of
funding
for
branch
libraries
because
we
have
now
a
task
force
that
is
already
on
the
job
they're
pursuing
the
private
fundraising
they've
asked
supporters,
essentially
to
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
and
find
a
way
for
us
to
sustain
the
branch
libraries
beyond
the
next
fiscal
year.
So
the
issue
is
really
this
year's
funding.
BR
It's
finding
a
way
to
keep
those
doors
open
on
the
north
and
south
branch
libraries
for
this
additional
year,
and
I
agree
with
alderman
wynn
that
I
think
I
would
have
a
different
feeling
about
it
a
year
from
now.
If
we're
still
talking
about
funding
for
branch
libraries
to
keep
them
open
for
this
year,
I
think
amounts
to
finding
130
000
in
the
budget.
BR
BR
The
cost
for
that
is
130
000,
and
I
think
that
we
have
already
created
the
kind
of
created
budget
cuts
that
give
us
the
wiggle
room
to
find
that
130
000,
which
paired
with
the
additional
cuts
that
our
city
managers
proposed,
would
keep
the
libraries
open
for
this
additional
year
and
allowed
the
branch
library
supporters
group
to
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is
and
come
up
with
the
business
plan.
That
makes
this
happen
over
the
long
term.
BR
So
I
I
urge
you
to
please
consider
helping
us
find
ways
to
keep
the
main
library
open
for
that
extra
day
a
week
for
that
friday,
so
that
we
can
keep
our
library
system
mostly
how
it
is
for
another
year.
The
difference
being
now
that
we
have
a
group,
that's
working
to
find
the
funding
long
term.
For
us.
BT
BT
We
have
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
time
and
encouraged
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community
and
a
lot
of
staff
and
our
city
manager
to
look
at
alternative
ways
and
they've
done
so
in
in
ways
that
I
think
indicates
that
they
are
very
passionate
about
this.
They
are
very
smart
about
this
and
it's
not
the
same
old
same
old.
You
know
closing
the
libraries
every
couple
of
years
I
be.
I
do
believe
this
is
a
different
situation
and
I
do
believe
we
we
have
that
year.
BT
I
believe
that
we
can
do
that
and,
like
alderman
grover
said
if
I
was
sitting
here
a
year
from
now,
without
seeing
much
improvement
or
any
improvement
in
terms
of
funding
or
some
new
ideas,
some
creativity,
whatever
I
would
might
have
a
totally
different
opinion,
but
the
north
branch
we
know
is
an
economic
engine.
If
you
look
at
the
cardholders
of
the
north
branch,
they
all
they
pretty
much
duplicate
the
users
of
the
wilmette
library
too.
BT
BT
I
do
think
we
would
lose
a
lot
of
revenue
and
for
the
money
that
we
put
into
the
hundred
and
two
hundred
roughly
two
hundred
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
each
year
to
the
branch.
I
don't
know
what
amount
of
public
economic
development
it
would
take
to
bring
those
75
000
visits
back,
but
I
think
it
would
be
considerably
more
than
200
000.
we're
talking
about
a
large
number
of
people
who
frequent
that
area,
and
I
don't
think
we
can
replace
that
foot
traffic
with
the
the
amount
we
spend
on
the
library.
BT
U
U
U
That's
I
think
that
that's
the
pipe
dream
and
my
initial
thought
is
that
we
close
both
branches
and
that
we
can
keep
the
north
branch
sort
of
not
rented
out
and
a
year
from
now
we
do
come
back
and
has
this
library
board
has
this
group
put
together
enough
funding
to
reopen
and
possibly
open
a
west
side
library
as
well,
but
in
buildings
that
we
own
south
side
library
it
doesn't
serve?
It
serves
a
very
small
portion
of
the
ninth
ward.
I
know
it
probably
serves
a
small
portion
of
the
eighth
ward.
U
Why
can't
we
have
it
in
a
building
like
the
levy
center
to
incorporate
kids
and
our
seniors
together
in
one
space
or
at
robert
crown,
something
like
that
or
partner,
maybe
with
the
ridgeville
park
district?
Why
aren't
we
bringing
them
more
into
this
discussion?
How
can
we
partner
better?
They
have
buildings
that
I'm
sure
that
we
can
have
space
in
west
side.
I
know
alderman
john
baptist
and
I've
talked
about
a
building
that
we
already
own
on
the
west
side.
U
But
currently
our
budget
does
not
allow
us
that
extra
year
and
if
this
this
group
can
actually
come
together
and
and
have
the
money
you
know,
let's
keep
the
collection
in
reserve.
We
can
pack
it
up
and
see
what
happens
a
year
from
now,
but
financially,
I
just
don't
see
how
the
numbers
work
and
closing
the
main
branch
library
seems
actually
outrageous.
When
I
saw
that
proposal
I
I
was
I
was,
I
was
pretty
upset
by
that
notion.
U
BU
BU
I
really
don't
support
a
tax
increase
and
I
feel
like
to
try
to
get
this
into
the
budget
is
really
going
to
require
that
we
really
have
to
draw
the
line
in
the
sand
somewhere.
Everybody
else
is
going
to
raise
taxes.
The
state
will
raise
taxes
and
at
some
point
we
have
to
just
say:
okay.
This
is
enough.
It's
too
easy
to
say
all
right,
we're
going
to
borrow
some
more
money
for
the
capital
improvement
plan.
We're
already
you
know
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
over
the
allocated
projection.
BU
For
that
I
realize
that's
a
different
fund,
but
I
don't
want
to
take
the
easy
way
out
here.
With
the
budget.
That's
proposed.
1800
people
aren't
going
to
have
a
dentist
fire
equipment's
not
going
to
be
fully
manned,
and
I've
looked
at
this
very
closely.
I've
I've
torched
over
it,
I've
flavored
over
it.
BU
I've
talked
to
many
members
of
the
community
and
to
me,
one
of
the
things
that
this
boils
down
to
is
that
there
is
not
just
a
reasonable
alternative,
but
there's
an
outstanding
alternative
to
this
particular
service
and
for
many
of
the
things
that
are
being
cut.
There
is
no
alternative:
the
ecology
center,
these
other
programs.
BU
BU
I'm
encouraged
by
that,
but
the
task
force
isn't
money
in
hand,
and
we
need
money
in
hand
right
now
to
keep
the
libraries
in
the
budget
is
going
to
have
to
assume
that
the
vast
majority
of
the
other
cuts
are
going
to
have
to
stick,
and
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
life,
safety
and
other
issues.
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
that
at
all.
BU
At
this
point,
it's
almost
like
we
are
building
the
entire
budget
around
this
one
issue
we
keep
coming
back
and
trying
to
look
for.
Where
else
can
we
cut
a
little
bit
more
money?
Where
else
can
we
get
a
little
bit
more
money
here,
a
little
more
money
there
fire
another
person
here,
fire
another
person
there
going
back
to
the
last
session
we
had
with
the
proposed
additional
cuts.
BU
BV
Thank
you,
madam
merum.
I
think
alderman
wilson
expressed
some
of
our
concerns
very
well.
When
we
first
started
talking
about
the
branch
libraries,
I'm
I'm
expressed,
my
early
support
of
them,
I'm
very
very
concerned
about
making
available
to
neighborhoods
and
people
who
have
difficulty
traveling
parents
of
small
children,
the
availability
of
libraries
in
their
neighborhoods.
BV
BV
BV
I
want
everyone
to
understand
that
an
ssa
would
have
been
a
basically
a
tax
increase
on
people
who
live
in
the
area
surrounding
the
surrounding
the
library
in
the
ssa.
The
benefit
of
that
would
have
been
that
it
would
have
brought
some
dollars
in
for
economic
development
in
the
two
business
areas,
both
on
main
street
and
on
central
street,
as
well
as
pay
for
the
library,
but
it
would
not
have
imposed
a
general
tax
increase
on
the
entire
city.
As
a
separate
library,
taxing
district
would
have
done
a
separate
library.
BV
Income
from
those
meetings
also
would
have
been
affected.
So
my
my
effort
to
aid,
the
plight
of
the
branches
has
apparently
failed,
and
I
apologize
to
all
of
you
for
that.
I
wish
we
had
been
successful
on
it.
I
do
not
see
a
way
that
this
is
going
to
succeed.
I
want
you
all
to
understand
that
we
have
tried
our
best
to
look
at
every
every
dollar
that's
available,
but
there
are
some
very
serious
cuts
that
are
going
to
affect
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
that
I
think
we
just
real.
BW
I
am
I'm
very
tongue
vision
about
this
budget.
I
have
been
since
october,
9.5
million
dollars,
it's
just
beyond
my
thinking,
and
I
know
that
we've
got
to
find
ways
in
which
to
do
to
cut
it.
There's
just
no
other
thing
to
do,
and
I
think
that
we
have
to.
We
ask
the
city
manager
to
give
us
a
balanced
budget
and
that's
what
he
did,
and
this
is
one
of
the
recommendations.
BQ
J
BQ
In
our
last
meeting,
I
did
ask
the
city
manager
to
please
come
back
with
a
plan
to
see
how
we
provide
you
know.
How
can
we
pay
for
the
branch
libraries
and
how
do
we
extend
library
services
and
he
did
come
back
with
his
proposal
and,
like
you
listen,
I
don't
think
that
you
know
it's
the
only
way
that
we
could
approach
this,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
have
a
solution
in
hand
right
now
in
light
of
the
budget
shortfall.
BQ
A
A
It
is
an
economic.
The
north
branch
is
an
economic
engine
for
the
central
street
group.
It
is
also
a
wonderful
library
and
tremendously
important
to
many
of
the
children
who
live
around
it.
I
can
understand
that
stacked
up
against
a
dental
clinic
it
it
fails
the
test
and
against
fire
service
response
time.
A
I
I
understand
why
the
votes
are
what
they
are
and
it
is
a
terribly
difficult
year,
but
the
library
is
both.
Libraries
are
indeed
wonderful
for
the
community
for
their
neighborhoods
and
I
support
alderman
fisk.
I
thought
the
ssa
was
a
good
solution
and
I'm
sorry
that
there
wasn't
more
support
for
it,
but
I
would
strongly
urge
us
to
preserve
the
north
branch
building
and
to
see
what
the
group
can
come
up
with
if
they
stick
together
for
a
year,
alderman
fisk.
I
C
BX
BP
BW
A
B
BS
BP
BV
AW
A
BP
BP
275
000,
which,
as
a
result
of
the
cut,
would
reduce
the
number
of
staffing
to
23
per
shift
which,
according
to
our
firefighters,
would
conceivably
increase
response
time
by
that
for
those
of
you
who
have
in
the
audience
and
at
home
who
have
not
studied
this.
What
that
means
is
that
a
certain
number
of
firefighters
we
require
to
be
on
a
vehicle
going
to
an
incident.
BP
If
we
don't
have
that
number,
then
that
vehicle
is
put
out
of
service,
which
means
that
if
you
know,
if,
if
an
incident
occurs
at
a
station
where
a
vehicle
is
out
of
service,
then
your
response
time
could
increase
and
the
fire
ratings
could
increase,
which
affect
insurance,
etc.
That's
probably
not
likely
to
happen,
given
our
given
our
history,
but
response
times
will
increase.
BP
I've
asked
the
fire
department,
and
I
know
others
of
you
have
to
come
up
with
alternative
cuts
within
their
department
which,
to
me
is
probably
the
most
responsible
offset
for
a
budgeting
issue
and
therefore
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
restore
or
eliminate
the
cut
of
275
000.
But
before
I
do
I'd
like
to
read
a
list,
if
you
all
don't
mind
of
the
cuts
being
proposed
by
the
fire
department
and
more
or
less
signed
off
on
by
the
fire
chief
doesn't
come
to
275
000,
but
it
comes
to
about
180.
BP
BP
These
items
are
on
that
page
under
the
fire
department
item
61
065,
which
is
special
project
employees.
It's
a
ten
thousand
dollar
item.
It's
been
agreed
by
everybody,
including
the
chief
that
that
could
be
eliminated.
That's
something
that
had
to
do
with
emergency
response,
which
we
now
have
an
employee
who
can
handle
printing
6221?
BP
BS
BP
Computer
maintenance,
62
250,
okay,
eliminate
5,
000,
62,
295
travel
and
training,
eliminate
thirty
thousand
dollars.
That's
of
a
sixty
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
budget,
sixty
two
three
thirty:
five
data
processing,
no
elimination,
sixty
two
three
sixty
membership
dues,
no
elimination,
62,
540
telecommunications,
reduced
5
000
is
somebody
from
our
staff
adding
these
up.
Okay,
I'm
62
540
telecommunications.
BP
BQ
BE
BP
BP
C
BP
BP
I'm
not
certain
of
that.
We
had
that
discussion
and
right
now
this
can
be
sustained,
not
because
they
have
a
backlog
of
money
or
a
reserve
or
anything,
but
they
are
willing
to
accept
this.
For
example,
this
special
project
employee,
ten
thousand
dollars
that
they
don't
need
that
money
for
anything
they
have
somebody
else
doing
that
job
this.
This
is
so
that
we
can.
BP
BP
BQ
BQ
BP
BP
BW
BP
BW
BW
BW
BP
I
would
love
to
put
it
on
the
table,
but
I'm
just
saying
mars:
do
you
have
other
information?
Because
I
talked
I.
I
thought
that
we
should
run
it
by
the
fire
chief
and
he
said
159
five
now
perhaps
given
tonight
they
could
get
together
and
find
other
cuts.
I
don't
know,
but
I
certainly
understand
that
we're
not
restoring
all
the
275.
BW
BP
BV
Mademeer
yeah,
we
just
looked
for
some
money
for
the
libraries
and
couldn't
find
it.
So
I
I'm
a
little
bit
reluctant.
What
I'd
like
to
do.
Mr
city
manager
is
to
ask
you
to
look
at
these
cuts,
and
our
next
meeting
is
wednesday
night.
Is
that
correct
and
for
you
to
talk
to
the
fire
chief
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
the
275
000
somewhere
else
in
the
budget
and
then
yeah
the
the
balance
and
then
back
back
to
us?
C
And,
and
and
alderman
fiscal
and
rainy,
I
think
there
are
probably
some
of
these
cuts
that,
for
example,
uniforms.
We
are
contractually
obligated
to
provide
uniforms.
I
don't
know
how
realistic
a
multi-year
cut
in
that
area
is,
but
if
the
will
of
the
council
is
to
direct
us
within
the
the
cuts
that
are
already
on
the
table
to
to
use
this
as
a
base
and
to
come
back
to
you
with
the
solution,
we're
happy
to
do
that.
Well,.
A
C
Just
a
matter
of
I
want
to
make
sure
the
council
fully
understands,
because
currently
you
are
balancing
this
budget
with
all
ongoing
money
and
there
is
no
one-time
money
in
the
mix
and
I
just
want
to
be.
You
can
do
what
you
like,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
very
clear,
and
I
would
appreciate
all
of
them,
fisk's
offered
to
give
us
48
hours
to
to
at
least
make
it
clear
to
you
what
we
think
could
be
ongoing
cuts
and
what
practically
perhaps
could
not
be
ongoing
cuts.
Q
BV
C
Alderman
fifth
members
of
the
council,
I
I
think
I
have
a
a
a
a
cordial
but
professional
disagreement
with
firefighters
and
probably
also
with
the
fire
chief.
I
think
it's
very
difficult
to
give
a
precise
measure
what
I
tried
to
do
for
all
my
own
edification
and
shared
it
with
the
council
was
to
give
you
a
survey
of
what
some
like
communities
do
and,
and
the
survey
is
also,
I
think
a
reasonable
person
would
say
inconclusive,
because
there
are
communities
that
are
approximately
our
size.
C
You
know
of
approximately
our
square
mileage
that
that
have
response
times
that
are,
you
know,
within
30
seconds
of
what
our
current
response
time
is
with
a
lower
amount.
Now
any
number
of
100
factors
could
impact
that
I
don't
know
that.
There's
any
science
that
tells
you
that,
so
I
don't
want
to
dispute
what
they're
saying,
but
at
the
same
time
I
cannot
support
what
they're
saying,
because
I
don't
have
real
good
facts
to
support
that.
So
again,
if
the
council
would
like
us
to
come
back
with
the
solution,
we're
happy
to
do
that.
BQ
Mr
city
manager,
I
think
the
essence
of
what
alderweire's
proposal
is
and
what
maybe
the
sentiment
of
the
council
is
to
maintain
response
time
and
so
look
for
alternative
ways.
Olivine
rainey
submitted
a
list
to
you.
Take
a
look
at
some
alternatives
to
find
that
contribution
from
the
fire
department
without
reducing
response
time
or
increasing
response.
U
You
I
was
at
the
last
meeting.
I
asked
for
an
idea
of
how
it
would
increase
workman
comp
issues
for
for
re.
If
we
do
reduce
this
amount
and
if
we
can
get
that
information,
that
would
be
very
helpful
that
has
did
I
get
it.
I
missed
sorry,
I
thought
I
read
everything
and
increasing.
I
I
go
back
to
this
again
of
the
health
insurance
costs
here
for
firefighters
are,
is
is
really
high
for
the
city
and
it's
the
high
for
the
city
for
all
employees
and
in
the
budget.
U
You
said
five
percent
increase.
That's
I
I
don't
think
enough.
It
gives
us
an
extra
fifty
thousand
dollars,
but
that's
not
a
lot
of
money
when
we're
looking
at
this
budget,
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
revisit
yet
again
once
again,
looking
at
it
on
a
sliding
scale
basis
that
will
help
us
bring
in
more
revenue
that
still
hasn't
been
presented
to
us.
U
Once
again,
I
reiterate
somebody
that
makes
forty
thousand
dollars
here
pays
the
same
amount
as
somebody
that
makes
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
doesn't
seem
equitable.
Somebody
who
makes
twelve
thousand
pays
the
same
amount
as
somebody
that
makes
a
hundred
forty
thousand.
So
that's
another
way
to
look
for
money,
and
we
should
also
talk
to
the
firefighters
about
the
this
health
insurance
coverage.
Are
they
willing
to
pay
more?
Is
there
a
negotiating
room,
even
though
they're
a
a
union,
obviously,
but
I
think
that's
in
important
to
look
at.
BP
Well,
I'm
you
know,
I
have
great
respect
for
our
city
manager.
However,
I
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
some
work
as
well.
We've
already
been
told
by
the
city
manager
that
he
disagrees
with
the
fire
department
and
the
fire
chief,
and
this
is
fire
science
there.
There
is
a
science
here
and
I
think
there
is
a
right
way
and
a
wrong
way
to
deliver
fire
service.
If
we
have
vehicles
that
are
not
staffed,
then
you
are
whoever
whoever
is
in
the
territory
serve
by.
BP
You
know
truck
21
or
22
24,
whatever
their
numbers
are,
you
are
going
to
experience
a
delayed
response
time,
alderman
fisk
saying
it
will
not
make
it.
So
if
you
don't
have
somebody
on
that
truck,
it's
not
going
to
get
there
in
time
and
don't
forget
it
is
our
trucks
that
have
the
advanced
life
support
equipment.
The
trucks
are
the
ones
that
get
to
the
person
laying
on
the
ground.
BP
You
won't
get
served,
you
won't
get
the
kind
of
service
you're
used
to,
and
that
concerns
me
and
I
think
the
survey
that
we
saw
has
26
or
28
average
firefighters
serving,
and
so
I
I
would
really
like
to
see
a
consultation
by
the
fire
department,
the
fire
chief
and
the
city
manager
with
everybody
having
equal
weight
in
that
conversation,
because
I'm
very
concerned
about
a
delayed
response
time.
I
know
the
city
manager
disagrees
with
it,
but
he's
not
the
fire
chief
he's
the
city
manager
and
I
think,
there's
you
know
it's.
BP
What
the
city
manager
thinks
about
it
could
be
important,
but
I
think
the
the
police
chief's
going
to
know
a
little
more
about
a
homicide
than
the
then
the
city
manager.
So
I
I
have
to
I
have
to
trust
the
experts
here
and
the
experts
are
telling
me
you're,
looking
at
a
delayed
response
time,
conceivably,
if
everybody's
president
accounted
for
and
all
those
vehicles
are
staffed,
everything's
going
to
be
status
quo,
you
have
a
kink
in
that
armor
and
you're
going
to
have
a
delayed
response
time.
BT
Thank
you
mayor.
I
at
some
point
in
my
discussions
with
the
chief,
there
was
a
number
a
predictable
number,
that
of
times
that
there
would
be
insufficient
equipment
or
men
at
the
scene
or
women
at
the
scene,
and
that,
given
a
number
of
responses,
average
responses
every
year,
that
number
could
be
250
or
even
higher
per
year
in
incidences,
because
that
would
be
short
of
staff
short
of
necessary
emergency
personnel.
So
I
think
that
that
number
struck
me
as
incredibly
high
too
high.
A
Seeing
no
further
lights,
I
concur
with
alderman
tendum
that
we
need
to
restore
the
overtime
that
was
in
the
budget
having
been
to
fire
ops
training
twice.
I
learned
as
many
of
the
rest
of
you
did,
that
a
fire
doubles
in
one
minute.
So
that's
rather
frightening
statistic
and
also
you
need
a
lot
of
people
there
all
working
very
hard
at
the
same
time,
to
get
the
equipment
working
and
to
start
putting
the
fire
out
so
fire
ops
training
works.
A
BQ
A
J
A
BS
I
do.
I
agree
that
1800
or
1900
child
visits
to
the
the
clinic
is
too
much
to
sacrifice.
I
and,
as
you
said
at
the
last
meeting,
madam
mayor,
when
we
did
cut
out
the
health
services
three
years
ago,
we
had
a
very
clear
understanding
that
all
of
those
services
were
going
to
be
transferred
to
another
source.
Probably
my
closest
friend
in
evanston
is
a
pediatrician
and
she
works
in
the
evanston
hospital
public
aid
clinic
and
as
when
I
described
this
issue
to
her.
BS
She
said
the
most
difficult
phone
call
she
has
to
make
the
where
she
has
the
most
trouble.
Finding
additional
medical
help
is
with
dental
issues,
everything
else
she
can
find,
but
not
dental
care.
So
until
we
really
know
that
these
services
can
be
provided
in
evanston,
I
I
don't
believe
that
we
should
take
this
out.
BU
I'm
just
I'm
going
to
echo
what
ottoman
mentioned.
I
know
the
city
staff,
I've
looked
and,
and
other
people
look
to
see
if
there's
anything
comparable
or
acceptable
to
to
you
know
meet
these
needs
and
no
one's
come
up
with
anything.
So
I'm
troubled
by
that
so
I
would,
at
this
junk,
should
go
along
with
ultimate
wins.
BV
I
agree
with
alderman
wins
motion.
I
think
the
problem
with
dental
services,
especially
for
children,
is
that,
unlike
a
broken
bone,
if
you
can't
afford
it,
sometimes
those
dental
services
are
put
off
and,
as
most
of
us
know,
if
you
a
dental,
a
dental
problem
will
continue
throughout
your
life,
and
I
think
it
was
stated
very
clearly
here
tonight
that
their
the
services
are
not
present
in
evanston
for
the
children,
and
so
I
support
that
motion
support.
What
alderman
wilson
had
to
say
as
well:
alderman
rainey.
BP
Madame
mayor,
I
would
like
to
know
what
our
health
department
staff
did
about
communicating
with
dental
providers
to
assist
us
with
this
problem.
Alderman
burris
and
I
were
just
casually
looking
around
and
we
found
that
there
is
a
community
dental
clinic
at
university
of
illinois
at
chicago,
whose
one
of
their
primary
goals
is
to
service
communities
that
have
that
have
populations
that
are
unable
to
access
dental
care,
and
I'm
wondering
have
we
made
any
contact
with
the
university
of
illinois
at
chicago
dental
school,
and
I
mean
I
don't
need
to
know
right
now.
A
BP
BP
BY
BP
BY
BY
C
And
madam
mayor
alderman
rainey,
as
we
think
we've
mentioned
at
the
previous
budget
workshop,
we
have
reached
out
to
a
couple
of
local
foundations
who
remain
interested.
They
were
just
not
able
to
make
a
commitment
at
that
period
of
time,
actually
the
evanston
chamber
of
commerce.
I
don't
know
that
jonathan
is
still
here,
but
he
has
offered,
on
behalf
of
the
chamber,
to
reach
out
to
the
association
of
dentists
here
in
evanston,
to
see
if
there's
options
there
as
well.
C
But
as
I've
mentioned
before,
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
for
community
partners
on
all
services
that
we
formally
provided.
That's
not
something
that
has
happened
in
the
past
and
I've
directed
devonda
to
move
forward
to
find
those
community
partners.
We
hope
to
be
coming
back
to
you
over
the
next
several
months.
BR
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you
director,
thomas
support,
the
motion,
alderman
wynn.
My
concern
is
really
for
the
50
percent
of
the
patients
at
the
dental
clinic,
who
are
limited
english
speaking
specifically,
spanish
and
of
the
four
providers
we've
been
able
to
find
that
take
the
all
kids
insurance.
I
think
only
two
of
them
have
clinicians
who
are
spanish-speaking,
so
imagining
half
of
1800
1900
children
going
to
two
providers
is
quite
overwhelming
to
contemplate
alderman.
U
Burris,
I
also
wanted
to
agree
with
alderman
wynn's
proposed
life
motion.
I
think
that
we
can't
get
rid
of
the
dental
clinic.
However,
I
do
agree
that
we
need
to
find
alternate
funding
have
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
reached
out
to
the
evanston
hospital
dental
clinic
and
if
you
have
could
we
have
a
written
response
from
what
they
had
to
say.
They
have
an
amazing
dental
clinic
there.
Also,
if
you
could,
let
us
know
which
foundations
that
you
reached
out
to
and
what
other
ideas
for
funding.
U
I
would
be
happy
to
be
involved
in
part
of
that
as
well.
I
it's
a
really
important
service,
but
I
going
back
to.
I
know
that
we
got
rid
of
a
lot
of
health
services,
including
family
planning.
Several
years
ago
that
haven't
been
replaced
also
had
the
meeting
with
heartland
alliance,
their
health
services.
They
do
a
dental
clinic,
they
just
opened
one
at,
I
believe
roosevelt
high
school
for
teens,
so
that
might
be
an
opportunity
as
well,
since
they
just
don't
do
health.
They
also
do
dental
as
we
move
forward.
A
G
B
B
BU
Just
just
very
briefly,
it's
not
my
intention
for
the
for
the
center
to
be
closed
down.
I
think
it's
an
important
asset
to
the
community.
I
think
that
your
mission
will
continue
on.
I
don't
know
that
you
need
that
much
funding
for
next
year.
From
what
I've
seen
from
what
I've
seen.
It
seems
to
me
that
you
should
be
able
to
sustain
yourself
for
the
year.
It's
an
independent
organization.
BU
It's
not
really
this!
It's
not
a
city
department.
The
city
shouldn't,
have
responsibility
for
outreach.
It
shouldn't
have
the
responsibility
for
developing
a
plan,
I'm
interested
in
seeing
what
you
all
come
up
with
I'm
interested
in
seeing
what
the
proposal
is
for
next
year,
and
hopefully
the
group
will
be
on
a
solid
track
for
for
being
more
sustainable
and
more
self-sustaining,
and
I
think
that's
important.
So
I
I'm
of
course
moving
that
we
accept
the
city
city,
manager's,
recommendation.
BQ
BQ
Changes
are
occurring
by
the
minute.
So
I
would
disagree
with
cutting
the
200
000,
because
I
think
it
would
hamper
the
possibility
of
them
transitioning
getting
to
the
point
of
being
able
to
sustain
a
long-term
lower
budget
with
the
reduction
of
the
elimination
of
the
rent
and
to
move
forward.
So
I
would
disagree
with
that.
I
would
ask
you
guys
to
accept
the
cut
of
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
at
this
time.
BP
First
of
all,
I
wouldn't
want
to
give
them
fifty
thousand
and
then
ask
them:
can
you
make
it
on
this
but
to
meet
with
them
and
see
if
that
would
sustain
them
for
the
year,
so
that
they
could
make
permanent
arrangements
going
forward?
I
believe
that
they
could
get
out
of
their
lease.
They've
been
good,
tenants
and
they've,
been
there
forever.
So
just
a
thought.
I'm.
BP
I'm
proposing
no
50
yeah
150
150,
I'm
proposing
giving
back
50
000.
we
do
get,
we
do
get
the
franchise
fee.
Many
communities
do
use
it
to
support
the
local
cable
channel.
I
think
they
can.
They
can
make
arrangements,
and
I
would
hope
that
they
could
sustain
themselves
in
another
fashion
after
this
coming
year.
BR
BR
Where
is
the
the
fad
in
the
ecmc
budget
that
that
the
our
cut
would
force
them
to
make
ecmc
the
way
I
see
it
has
some
opportunities
for
some
meaningful
partnerships
to
both
find
the
funding,
find
the
location
and
perhaps
ecmc
also
has
the
reserve
sufficient
to
sustain
them
through
the
term
of
that
lease
that
keeps
them
on
hartree,
and
my
last
question
has
to
do
with
our
support
of
religious
programming
through
ecmc.
Are
there
anything?
Is
there
anything
that
prevents
us
from
funding
ecmc,
to
the
extent
that
it
has
religious
programming.
BQ
BQ
BQ
BW
C
And
alderman
alderman
holmes,
members
of
the
council,
that's
from
our
reading
of
their
audits
d
drasner.
Our
assistant
finance
director,
did
that
I
think,
as
mr
bargerbaugh
has
said,
that
they
internally
a
segregate
portions
of
that
354
000,
and
he
may
be
best
to
say
that
again
what
what
an
accountant
says
is
is
is
put
aside
and
what
an
organization
says
is
put
aside
are
often
two
different
things.
So
I
think,
madam
mayor,
maybe
we
can
ask
mr
bartlebaugh
absolutely.
U
BW
C
BW
BX
AN
This
might
make
it
clearer
and
maybe
a
little
bit
easier.
I've
got
a
copy
of
our
current
balances
from
the
bank,
so
you
can
look
at
this
right
now.
We
have
a
remaining
balance
of
96
000,
that's
normally
where
we
would
take
three
months
revenue
aside
for
covering
budget.
Through
the
year
we
have
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
dollars,
111
750
in
a
restricted
monies
and
a
business
classic
account,
that's
what
we're
using
for
purchasing
current
equipment.
AN
We
also
kept
monies
for
the
restricted
equipment
monies
that
were
given
in
previous
years
for
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
a
separate
savings
account
and
then
lastly,
there's
a
hundred
thousand.
That
would
be
general
fund
money,
which
is
what
we
were
putting
on
the
table
to
offer.
So
basically
it
would
leave
us
a
remaining
budget
of
96
000
that
we're
currently
working
through
this
year.
I
will
give
you
a
copy
of
this,
so
you
can
take
a
look
at
it.
So.
C
And
and
alderman
homes,
I
think,
and
we
could
certainly
go
into
more
detail
later.
It's
restricted
under
federal
law
for
use
on
equipment.
There
is.
There
is
not
a
lot
of
case
law
court
case
law
as
to
what
communities
can
or
cannot
do.
It
is
restricted
under
federal
law,
but
I
think,
there's
a
generally
a
wide
latitude
ecmc
as
a
private
nonprofit
is
saying
that
they
have
restricted
it
by
policy
of
their
independent
board
of
directors,
but
under
federal
law
there
probably
is
more
latitude
as
to
how
that
money
could
be
spent,
but.
AN
BQ
BW
BQ
BW
Oh,
my
god,
pizza,
I'm
going
to
just
say
one
more
thing
about
the
money,
and
I
want
to
move
on
to
another
point,
and
I
I
understand
about
the
354.
I
I
got
that
now.
I
really
what
they
have
on
hand
in
cash
is
196
000,
which
would
be
the
96
and
then
the
hundred
I
got
that
the
other
two
two
222
would
be
restricted.
BW
AN
AN
AN
BQ
AN
AN
BW
BW
BW
BW
BW
AN
AN
And
realistically,
that's
where
you
get
to
the
cuts-
and
you
know
again
when
it
starts
to
become
a
payroll
issue,
would
mean
two
or
three
of
the
positions.
So
that
starts
to
limit
really
what
the
center
can
do.
And
obviously,
when
we
have
someone,
that's
public
someone
does
the
educational
as
their
job.
BW
AN
J
AN
BW
AN
It
was
always
a
part
of
the
franchise
fee
passed
back
as
a
way
of
keeping
it
open,
and
you
can
see
that
was
a
primary
funding
through
the
past
10
years.
So
obviously
that
was
you
know
nothing
in
writing
that
specified
that
that's
why
it's
you
know
an
understandable
cut
to
put
on
the
table,
but
realistically
to
see
the
organization
go
from
nothing
to
having
to
you
know
completely
be
self-funded
it's
a
little
difficult
to
assume.
BW
BP
Steve
I
wanted
to
ask
you.
One
of
the
things
that
you
read
about
in
financial
journals
and
especially
real
estate
journals
is
that
lots
of
people
with
long-term
leases
are
renegotiating,
because
owners
know
that
you
know
there's
trouble
in
river
city
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
broach
that
topic
with
your
landlord.
AN
We
haven't
currently-
and
I
think
that's
just
because
we
knew
we
were
in
the
last
two
years
of
the
deal.
This
has
been
a
five-year
lease
that
we've
been
on
and
the
the
pricing.
Obviously
as
long
as
it's
gone
up
over
the
years
that
we've
been
there,
but
you
can
see
this
year
was
dramatically
less
than
previous
contracts
because
of
what
the
market
was
doing.
We
didn't
have
that
big
of
an
increase
we've
been
pretty
much
paying
in
that
90
to
95
range
for
quite
a
while.
How.
BP
Reid
bible
ought
to
throw
himself
on
his
knees
and
praise
god
that
you
have
been
his
good
tenant
all
those
years,
and
I
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
talk
about
this
really.
Second
of
all,
I
don't
know
what
the
franchise
says,
but
what
does
it
say
about
showing
city
council
meetings
high
school
meetings,
district
65
meetings?
Is
there
a
charge
for
that
to
those
government
bodies.
AN
The
franchise
does
not
have
wording
specifically
about
the
programming
per
se
and
what
funding
would
go
towards
that?
We
have
set
up
a
deal
with
district
65
that
they're
paying
money
specifically
for
the
services
with
the
city.
It's
become
a
little
bit
different.
We
had
always
included
since
we
were
getting
a
big
part
of
the
franchise
fee.
AN
Council
meetings
were
didn't
get
charged,
and
then
we
started
doing
two
for
three
three
for
one
on
monday
nights,
when
you
did
three
meetings,
two
of
those
were
free
and
you'd
only
get
charged
for
the
one
meeting,
so
some
of
that
obviously
would
change,
but
not
dramatically
the
funding
in
regards
to
programming
that
we
do.
Let's
say
if
it's
for
the
health
department,
the
fire
department,
those
are
not
charged.