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A
B
B
A
All
right,
so
we
have
a
quorum
so
not
on
the
agenda.
Tonight
we
have
a
couple
of
a
couple
of
items.
There
are
a
few
things
that
I
would
like
to
ask
of
the
audience.
As
one
can
you
please
silence
your
cellphone's
and
two.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
there
is
a
sign
up
outside
the
door.
So
if
you
can,
please
sign
that
and
then,
when
you
come
to
speak,
come
to
speak
at
the
microphone.
A
A
A
So
so
do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes,
all
right.
Second
Saul,
all
right,
all
in
favor,
aye,
all
against
all
right.
The
minutes
pass
all
right.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda.
We
have
two
two
items
on
the
agenda.
First
is
the
petition
of
the
1727
Oak
Avenue
plan
development,
and
the
second
is
a
text
amendment
that
will
follow,
follow
that
so,
when
we're
done
with
with
this
17:21
you're
free
to
go,
if
you
don't
want
to
stick
around
for
the
excitement
of
the
text,
amendment
all
right,
so
the
first.
A
A
Then
then
the
petitioner
will
present
their
case
at
after
that.
There's
an
opportunity
for
members
of
the
public
to
ask
questions
of
the
petitioner
all
right.
This
is
simply
questions
of
the
petitioner.
This
is
not
public
statements
and
then
then
the
petitioner
can
can
either
cross-examination
cross-examine
or
ask
questions
of
the
of
the
petitioners
for
clarification.
A
So
so,
after
after
that,
members
of
the
public
will
be
able
to
to
speak
and
make
their
make
their
point.
If
there
is
a
request
for
a
continuance,
it
should
happen
at
that
time.
We
want
to
give
people
an
opportunity
to
to
speak,
but
if
they,
if,
if
they
speak
tonight,
they
will
not
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
if
there
is
a
continuance
requested.
A
So
the
last
thing
I
should
mention
is
that
that
this
is
not
the
final
word
on
this
case.
The
the
Plan
Commission
is
a
recommending
body
and
a
fact-finding
body
we
are,
the
final
say,
is
with
the
City
Council,
so
we
tonight
we
can
either
make
a
recommendation
to
to
pass
the
petition
as
is
or
pass
it
with
modifications
or
to
recommend
denial
of
the
application.
So
those
are
the
three
things,
but
it
were
a
recommending
body
all
right
and
so.
A
C
C
This
plan
development
is
requesting
for
site
development
allowances,
those
site
development
allowances
are
for
height,
number
of
units,
front
yard,
setback
and
number
of
loading
births,
and
if
you
can
see
not
too
clearly,
we
are
talking
about
this
parcel
right
here.
That
is
currently
a
surface
parking
lot.
C
The
proposed
plan
development
is
an
age-restricted
active
adult
facility
for
aged
55
and
older.
The
property
size
once
subdivided
as
proposed
would
be
thirty-five
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
square
feet
with
a
building
size
of
one
hundred
and
forty
nine
thousand
five
171
gross
square
feet.
It
is
a
mixture
of
studios,
1
bedrooms
and
2
bedroom
units,
totaling
169
units
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
total
of
139
parking
spaces
where
122
are
required
for
a
point:
8
parking
unit
ratio,
the
proposed
height,
is
17
stories.
C
That's
a
peak
height
of
176
feet
with
zoning,
recognizing
it
as
a
height
of
155
feet,
excluding
two
levels
of
parking:
this
is
the
general
first
floor
site
plan
that
also
shows
some
streetscape
improvements
and
landscaping.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
building
outline
along
here.
This
first
floor
has
some
parking
that
leads
up
to
second
and
third
floor
parking
levels
and
then
along
the
street.
Frontage
here
is
the
general
amenity
space.
C
C
Also
requested
is
the
front
yard
setback.
The
front
yard
setback
required
is
the
average
of
the
block,
which
is
at
3
feet.
The
applicant
requests
1
feet
for
the
first
floor
or
I'm
sorry
through
compliant
with
the
first
floor,
but
then
one
foot
at
floors,
2
and
3
only
and
then.
Lastly,
the
applicant
requests
to
have
1
short
loading
berth
where
2
are
required.
C
C
Quite
a
few
bike
stalls
near
the
dog
park,
repainting
the
bike
lane
that's
on
Church
Street
between
oak
and
maple,
relocation
of
a
city,
fire
hydrant
that
allows
an
increase
of
street
parking,
as
well
as
an
increase
of
288
compliance
stalls
that
will
be
near
the
e
1007
church.
Building
within
the
building.
There
would
be
a
transit
tracker
TV.
C
C
17,
affordable
on-site,
affordable
housing
units
rather
than
paying
the
fee
in
lieu
of.
However,
it
is
noted
that
that
is
a
city
code
requirement,
not
necessarily
a
public
benefit,
although
it
is
reasonable
to
consider
it
a
public
benefit
to
have
the
units
on
site
instead
of
the
fee.
Also
to
note
that,
with
the
area
median
income
proposed,
it
does
not
meet
the
city
requirement
to
code.
The
applicant
is
requesting
that
it
is
considered
an
equivalent.
C
C
Additionally,
this
is
the
plan
development
standard
and
then,
as
it
relates
to
the
current
2009
downtown
plan.
We
are
talking
about
this
area
right
in
here,
which
is
G.
That
is
in
what
we
consider
the
west
core
area
which,
if
you
look
over
here,
you
can
see
that
the
downtown
plan
calls
for
a
base
height
of
1
up
to
165
feet
and
then
with
bonuses
up
to
198
feet.
If
I
can
see
that
so
staff
does
feel
that
this
proposal
follows
the
2009
downtown
plan
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
back
to
chair
Lewis.
C
A
D
Thank
you
and
good
evening,
chair
Lewis,
the
members
of
the
plane
Commission.
My
name
is
Katie
Genki
Dale
from
the
law
firm
of
DLA
Piper.
We
represent
Trammell
Crowe
in
connection
with
this
application.
First
we'd
like
to
thank
staff.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
during
staff
review
and
during
the
dapper
meetings
we
went
back
and
forth
and
made
a
number
of
changes
addressing
their
concerns.
We
appreciate
their
thoughtful
staff
report
and
just
to
make
a
note
on
the
record.
D
We've
reviewed
their
recommendations
and
we
agree
with
all
of
them
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Johnny
Carlson
from
Trimble
Crowe.
To
make
the
presentation
tonight
we
do
have
one
request:
recognizing
the
has
a
robust
public
comment
process
and
there
is
a
chance
that
we
will
proceed
it
into
another
plane,
Commission
meeting
tonight.
We
would
love
to
hear
from
you
guys
tonight
as
well.
D
If
you
have
any
questions,
we'd
love
to
solicit
those
area,
nishal
feedback,
we'd
love
to
walk
out
of
here
tonight,
with
our
homework
cut
out
for
us,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
staff
we'd
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
and
figure
out
how
we
can
address
any
questions
or
feedback
we
may
receive
tonight.
So
with
that
I
turn
it
over
to
Johnny
Carlson
from
Jermal
crow
he'll
make
the
presentation,
along
with
our
project
architect.
Thank
you.
E
E
Is
there
a
way
to
flip
on
the
other
presentation,
while
she's
doing
that
we
have
a
number
of
members
here
on
our
team,
Grady
Hamilton
and
Trammell
crow
and
Mary
Lucas
at
Trammell,
crow
from
our
team,
Aaron
Ross
F
at
ESG,
architects
and
he'll,
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
the
design,
and
then
we
have
Louie
abouna
at
Callaway
and
two
folks
from
Kim
Lee
horn
regarding
civil
items.
So
we're
here
for
questions
at
the
end
of
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
you
knew
that
all
of
our
team
members
are
here
this
evening.
E
So
as
Melissa
spoke
the
site
here
at
church
and
oak,
it's
a
parking
lot
of
an
office
building.
That's
going
to
move
the
parking
stalls
across
the
street
to
a
building
that
they
own.
That
parking
lot
is
only
parked
with
cars
from
one
of
their
users
in
the
building,
it's
not
for
the
entire
building
or
for
public.
It's
only
for
one
of
the
tenants
and
that
tenant
has
signed
an
executed
amendment
to
park
their
stalls
across
the
street
in
a
building
that
our
office
building
owner
owns
and
who
also
is
in
attendance
this
evening.
E
If
any
questions
come
up
for
that
ownership,
Trammell
crow,
a
little
bit
about
our
company,
were
based
here
in
Chicago,
our
team
were
one
of
16
offices
were
most
active
developer
in
the
country.
The
last
few
years
have
been
named
multifamily
developer
the
year
we
take
pride
in
all
the
municipalities.
We
work
in
we're
extremely
excited
to
be
in
Evanston,
we've
been
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
be
here
and
we're
really
excited
about
working
with
you
and
trying
to
become
active
developer
here
locally.
E
Here's
our
team,
just
we're
all
local
just
wanted
to
stress
that
ESG
architect,
Aaron
Rosyth,
is
the
president
of
the
firm
he's
here.
He'll
walk
you
through
the
design.
We've
worked
on
about
ten
projects
with
their
firm
here
locally
and
we've
found
great
success.
They
look
at
every
project,
differently,
they're,
great
infill,
urban
architect
and
we're
proud
to
have
them
on
our
team.
It's
a
little
bit
different
use.
So
I'm
going
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
here
talking
about
the
use.
E
If
you
look
at
the
trends
of
the
baby
boomer
demand
and
the
housing
stock
out,
there
we're
looking
to
create
a
unique
housing
option
that
we're
calling
active
adult.
This
is
geared
towards
a
55
plus
age,
restricted
renter,
it's
not
senior
housing
and
it's
not
mercury
housing.
It
finds
itself
right
in
the
middle
the
unique
comparison
of
what
we
offer
it's
it's
a
rich
socialization
activities
director
offers
a
number
of
planned
events
per
day.
E
If
you
look
at
what
we're
offering
within
that
independent
living
is
just
on
the
right
of
this
scale
and
senior
apartments,
which
offers
no
socialization
no
activities
no
scheduled
events,
more
just
apartment
geared
towards
age,
restricted,
we're
right
in
the
middle
and
that's
we're
calling
an
active
adult
as
you
go
up
the
spectrum
here,
the
rents
increase
as
you
go
to
the
right
side
and
the
rents
are
usually
typically
lower.
As
you
go
to
the
left
side
of
this
chart,
this
shows
that
we're
offering
a
lot
different
services
than
independent
living
in
senior
apartments.
E
But
in
the
event
that
you
want
to
live
on-site-
and
you
know,
use
ala
carte
services
such
as
housekeeping
transportation
meals.
You
can
pay
for
that
outside
your
rent,
but
our
goal
is
to
deliver
a
rent,
that's
lower
than
independent
living,
but
offering
a
big
premium
of
services
to
our
residents.
That's
slightly
more
than
market
rate.
How
do
we
compare
from
a
rental
rate
perspective
on
the
right?
You'll
see
that
two
bedroom
units
are
in
the
blue
chart:
that's
independent
living
in
the
middle
with
the
box.
E
That's
our
rents,
for
the
two-bedroom,
for
example,
in
the
blue
chart
and
then
to
the
left,
is
market
rate
housing
so,
as
you
can
see,
you're
paying
a
premium
above
market
rate
housing
but
you're,
paying
a
discount
to
independent
living
facilities,
independent
living
facilities
offer
utilities,
cleaning
and
meals
within
your
rent.
So
if
you
back
those
off,
you
can
see
that
we're
still
just
count
to
those
net
rents,
comparison,
independent
living
and
we
have
plenty
of
slides.
E
If
you
want
to
ask
questions,
we
can
flip
that
later
in
the
presentation,
why
we
think
we
can
get
this
rent
premium
and
what
we
think
we're
unique.
If
you
look
at
this
chart
here
on
the
left,
it's
an
active
adult
community,
the
different
amenities,
the
lobby,
bistro
salon,
massage
kitchen
prep
kitchens
for
catering
meals,
creating
events
in
the
lobby,
wine
tasting
cheese,
dinners,
all
that
can
be
located
there
and
it's
about
double
the
amenities.
E
So
if
you
look
at
the
amenities
square
footage
with
outdoor
space,
it's
about
19,000
compared
to
10,000
with
a
market
rate
option,
and
if
you
look
at
pulling
out
the
outdoor
terrace,
it's
about
14,000
versus
6,
so
you're
getting
double
the
amenities
space.
People
are
living
in
a
lower
rent
check
for
their
unit,
but
we
offer
a
lot
of
amenities
with
activities
throughout
the
building.
This
is
a
sample
of
our
partner
that
has
an
asset
in
Denver
in
Stapleton
on
the
bottom
right,
you'll
see
a
key
there.
E
That
shows,
if
signups
required,
of
what's
included
in
your
rent-
and
we
also
get
people
together
to
pay
ala
carte
to
go
downtown,
have
a
dinner
cooking
classes
that
are
outside
of
the
rent.
But
we
really
want
to
stress
the
importance
of
typically
4
to
5
planned
activities
per
day
in
the
site
get
community
in
and
out
of
the
building
and
really
unique.
That
is
not
in
heaven
centering
the
surrounding
areas.
The
site
allowance
is
Melissa,
did
a
great
job
of
covering.
E
We
just
wanted
to
point
out
the
unit
height
front
yard
setback
and
loading
bursts
that
are
there
the
public
benefits.
We
had
a
little
bit
more
detail
here.
The
reason
that
we
view
the
on-site
versus
off-site
our
original
proposal
to
staff
and
to
the
aldermen
inner
Ward
was
to
pay
fee
and
lieu
17
units
are
required.
We
were
told
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
table
work
with
the
community.
E
We
heard
loud
and
clear
that
it
was
more
important
to
put
the
affordable
units
on
site
versus
pay
a
fee
and
loose,
so
that
comparison
of
3.5
million
is
what
the
hit
to
the
pro
forma
was.
To
put
the
burden
on
site
versus
pay
the
fee
and
Lou
I
think
the
big
reason
why
fee
and
Lou
is
viewed
less
by
staff
and
the
aldermen
was
to
deliver
this
type
of
unit
to
the
senior
demographic
is
a
lot
more
than
$100,000
per
unit.
So
that's
really
what
drove
us
to
so
we
reworked
our
program
hit.
E
The
am
is
that
was
required
at
50%
of
those
units
being
at
50
and
60,
and
we
view
that
is
probably
most
important.
One
on
this
list
and
everything
else
Melissa
covered
with
that
Erin
Rose,
set
that
ESG
Architects
is
going
to
come
up
and
walk
you
through
a
quick
plan
but
I
think
the
the
points
I
wanted
to
make
before
I
leave
as
we
worked
with
the
dapper
to
relocate
a
lot
of
the
streetscape
loading
public
realm
safety
within
those
community
comments.
E
So
the
big
point
here,
the
changes
in
the
plans
were
moving
the
loading
dock,
creating
a
safer
environment
from
turning
radiuses.
The
existing
curb
cuts
are
to
on-site
we're
going
to
one
curb
cut,
so
that
should
also
improve
the
pedestrian
realm
and
safety.
We
actually
are
adding
two
stalls
to
Oak
Avenue
from
current
situations,
so
we're
going
to
move
the
fire
hydrant
pay
that
create
two
additional
stalls
as
public
benefit
and
the
affordable
component.
Then.
Lastly,
the
bird
friendly
measures
that
working
with
so
with
that.
F
F
Just
to
point
out
a
few
things
that
Johnny
had
mentioned,
going
from
a
couple
of
curb
cuts
to
the
single
I
did
a
lot
of
positive
things
for
the
the
project
we
added
additional
parking
on
the
street
and
it
also
eliminated
the
another
curb
cut
with
with
maneuvering
for
loading
which
we
used
to
have
on
the
north
side.
So
all
of
the
loading
and
all
of
the
traffic
coming
into
the
site
is
done
with
the
one
curve
cut
to
the
south.
F
So
the
loading
birth
is
in
the
the
immediate
left-hand
side,
as
you
drive
into
off
of
Oak,
and
then
the
parking
garage
would
be
on
there's
some
stalls
on
the
first
level
and
then
there's
two
levels
of
parking
above
this,
but
on
Oak
itself
between
the
streets,
trees
and
the
streetscape
and
the
dimension
we
have
on
the
sidewalk.
That's
all
active
views,
so
we,
the
staff,
had
stressed
that
that's
also
one
of
the
design
principles,
it's
very
important
to
us
as
well,
to
create
maintain
a
very
active
presence
on
this
on
the
street.
F
So
this
is
the
typical
floor
plate
for
the
second
and
third
level,
with
the
parking
garage
and
then
as
the
podium
steps
in
where
the
mid
rise
portion
of
the
building
goes
up.
This
is
the
typical
floor
plan
of
the
the
housing
units
and
then
on
the
top
level
I'd.
We
have
an
amenity
area
and
a
pool
looking
toward
Chicago
and
these
types
of
sites.
These
triangular
sites
are
very
exciting
for
architects.
F
F
About
Lama,
Nadi
or
specialty
material,
this
is
was
a
very
important
thing
for
us.
This
is
a
perforated
metal
panel
that
skins
the
exterior
of
the
podium
or
the
garage
portion.
We've
liked
this
material
and
other
buildings
that
we've
done,
because
it's
very
playful
with
the
Sun
and
the
changing
colors
of
the
environment,
and
we
thought
that
cladding
it
that
way
would
be
a
really
cool
thing.
F
F
F
A
G
Basically
we're
asking
for
representing
many
of
the
residents
here
at
from
1720
of
the
Siena
development
in
pulling
the
residents.
Not
many
actually
were
aware
of
this
development.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
confusion
between
this
development
and
the
development
that
is
going
to
the
north
of
us
and
given
the
density
of
the
people
that
will
be
moving
into
these
units
and
the
traffic
and
whatnot
people
have
a
lot
of
concerns.
So
we'd
like
to
request
a
continuance,
so
we
can
gather
more
data
for.
A
I
A
All
right
so
so
we
have
told
the
truth:
yeah,
okay,
great,
thank
you
for
confirming
that
all
right,
so
I
guess
this.
This
request
by
by
mr.
Frank
Montagna,
is
entered
into
the
into
the
record.
All
right
I
give
that
to
you
all
right,
so
we
I
think
it's
best
that
I
explain
a
little
bit
of
the
ground
rules
right
now.
We
are
first
going
to
ask
questions.
A
We
can
ask
questions
that
will
probably
help
you
to
better
understand
the
process,
and
then
we
would
then
at
that
point
we
have
a
choice
of
either
going
forward
with
with
statements
by
the
public
or
or
or
or
stopping
the
process
at
that
time.
If
you,
if
you
make
a
statement
tonight,
then
then
you
will
not
be
able
to
make
a
statement
after
the
continuance
on
the
on
the
rehearing.
A
J
A
It's
been
requested
by
the
petitioner
that
that
we
get
a
chance
to
ask
questions
so
I'm,
going
to
give
that
upward
opportunity,
so
they'll
be
able
to
provide
or
feedback
to
us
and
to
the
hands
of
the
public.
So
I
think
it's
to
everyone's
benefit
that
that
that
they
get
as
much
information
as
they
can.
Thank
you.
So,
sir,
okay,
can
you
please
come
up
to
the
I
know
it's
a
long,
long
hike
in
and.
K
Please
state
your
speed.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Philip
crow
field.
I
am
an
owner
of
a
unit
at
Siena
at
14
or
17
2000.
We
have
and
I
know.
There
are
other
owners
here
who
wish
to
make
a
petition
for
a
continuance,
and,
and
is
it
necessary
for
us
to
make
that
request
in
order
to
be
able
to
speak
at
the
next
meeting
so.
A
K
A
B
It
sounds
like
the
Commission
would
like
to
ask
questions
of
the
the
petitioner
and,
if
it
may
be
best
to
do
that
first
and
then
to
also
give
the
opportunity
for
anyone
who's
here
tonight
from
the
public
and
would
like
to
speak
tonight
and
once
that's
concluded,
would
probably
be
the
best
time
to
entertain
a
motion
for
a
continuance.
All.
A
M
B
B
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
Catherine
Crisfield
I
live
at
1740,
Oak,
Avenue
and
I.
Have
a
question
is
for
the
the
petitioner
tonight
if
the
proposed
dog
park
is
speaking,
is
planned
to
be
considered
open
to
the
public
as
a
public
benefit?
How
will
Trammell,
crow
or
whomever
is
operating
the
property
at
the
time,
ensure
that
dogs
are
properly
licensed
and
have
the
adequate
rabies,
distemper
leptospirosis
parvo
virus
vaccines
that
are
required
by
the
city
of
Evanston
for
off-leash
dog
facilities.
D
A
A
O
My
name
is
Barbra
puta
and
I
live
at
1720.
Maple
I
have
some
questions
about
green
I,
see
a
green
space
on
the
plan,
but
I
haven't
seen,
and
perhaps
it's
available
and
I
just
haven't
looked
in
the
right
place.
What
that
will
mean
is
that
green
asphalt?
Is
that
green
grass?
Is
that
what
green
is
that?
O
And
then
the
next
question
I
have
is
with
regard
to
the
trees
that
run
along
the
tracks,
not
on
the
railroads
right-of-way,
but
on
the
west
side
of
that
embankment
I
see
just
the
schematics
a
lot
of
green
back
there,
but-
and
currently
there
is
I
counted
about
somewhere
between
17
and
20
trees,
they're,
not
just
scrub
trees.
There
are
some
very
nice
pine
trees
back
there
and
I
imagine.
O
O
A
P
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
Debbie
wall
I
live
in
1740
oak
and
part
of
my
issue
with
the
building
being
approved.
Is
that
I
look
right
over
the
railroad
tracks
and
my
balcony
goes
like
right.
As
you
see
the
Metro
pass,
you
can
see
my
best
friend's
building
and
the
striped
sweater
there,
jenny
McCullough's
and
it's
going
to
black
all
the
sunlight
from
my
building,
meaning
there
will
be
no
sunlight
and
the
other
issue
is.
It
will
be
blacking
yeah.
A
Q
A
R
I'm
Kurt
Schaffer,
17:40
oka,
my
question
I
suppose,
is
primarily
for
the
architecture
or
for
the
structural
engineers.
What
I'm
wondering
is
why
it's
necessary
for
the
second
and
third
floors
of
this
building
to
come
all
the
way
within
the
foot
of
the
lot
line
and
to
be
just
a
blank
wall.
What
what
requires
that?
Because
none
of
the
other
residential
buildings
in
the
area
have
that
1100
Church
our
development
to
siena
1717
Ridge,
which
was
just
built
very
recently
and
was
in
fact
very
profitable
building.
R
R
S
Oh
to
Lake
and
Evanston
mm-hmm
I
wanted
to
know
what
was
gonna
happen
to
the
I've
attended,
like
funerals
and
weddings
at
the
Mount
Zion
Church
there,
which
is
immediate,
next-door
neighbor.
So
I
was
wondering
about
the
street
parking
between
with
the
meters
between
Ridge
and
Church.
S
You
probably
did
address
it
and
I
just
didn't
hear
it,
but
I
was
wondering
if
there's
gonna
be
less
parking
and
what's
gonna
happen,
or
will
there
still
be
as
many
parking
meters
as
there
are
now
all
right
and
I
was
wondering
when
the
project
is
going
to
start
for
the
independent
senior
living
there
and
I
was
wondering
if
anybody
from
tomorrow
contacted
or
hidden
meetings
with
any
of
the
representatives
of
the
church
to
hear
their
concerns.
Thank
you.
Okay.
A
T
Mary
Jo
Christie
I
live
at
1720
Oak.
My
question
is
for
the
developer:
how
many
staff
members
are
you
planning
to
fire
in
this
new
development.
G
U
Good
evening
my
name
is
Claire
Kelly
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
outreach,
certainly
I'm
sure
Trammell
crow,
as
well
as
Peter,
braithwaite's,
fully
aware
that
there
are
a
good
number
of
residents
associated
with
disabled
residents
associated
with
the
Center
for
Independent
Futures
living
across
the
street.
So
I'd
like
to
know
what
outreach
has
been
done
with
from
Trammell
crow
and
Peter
Braithwaite
to
sit
down
and
hear
concerns,
and
if
so,
on,
what
dates
did
you
do
that
outreach?
Thank
you
thank.
A
V
Bob
Jenkins
1210
Church
just
a
few
questions.
One
is
the
allowance
for
only
one
loading.
Why
why?
What
are
their
justifications
for
that,
and
how
can
it
be
assured
that
over
the
decades
that
there
won't
be
congestion
there
with
one
truck
waiting
for
another
second
ones,
is
it
possible
to
provide
square
feet,
averages
for
the
one
bedrooms
and
the
two
bedrooms
and
they
had
a
number
of
bathrooms
just
to
get
an
idea?
What
these
units
are
like
a
little
bit
more,
although
I
guess
probably
the
pictures
will
make
some
of
that
Clare.
W
I'm
sue
Walton
I
live
at
11:11
Church
Street
condos
of
where
I
am
the
rules.
Chair
I
have
seen
Sienna
come
and
I
fought
SIA.
My
question
to
you
is
in
to
the
developer.
There
is
a
one
way
westbound
alley
between
sienna
and
the
block
where
my
building
is.
What
do
you
anticipate
the
traffic
flow
to
be,
and
how
will
you
deal
with
that
during
construction
and
move-in
and
move-out.
A
X
Pelosi
and
to
questions,
if
you
could
explain
to
me
where
how
trash
is
being
managed
where
you're
going
to
house
the
dumpster
full
time
out,
you
know
just
sequence
of
operation
so
that
we're
not
I'm
concerned
that
a
dumpsters
gonna
take
up
the
loading
bay
area
and
then,
secondly,
has
there
been
any
issue
with
first
of
all,
I
I
yesterday
was
my
birthday
and
I
still
don't
qualify
to
move
into
this
building
and
I
feel
kind
of
good
about
that
lucky.
Thank
you.
X
J
My
next
question
is
just
which
is
probably
also
for
staff
is
with
respect
to
siena
court
or
the
siena
development.
It
appears
that
the
office
that
1007
is
using
parking
from
that
development
I
believe
that
development
was
a
PD
and
there
was
parking
required
for
that.
There's
a
certain
number
of
spaces
required
for
that
development
and
if
that
parking
well
I,
don't
know
what
the
requirements
were
from
the
PD.
J
Are
we
sort
of
borrowing
back
and
forth
and
making
Siena
non-compliant
with
their
PD
by
allowing
1007
to
claim
the
parking
from
from
Siena
I?
Don't
know
whether
that's
accurate
in
any
way,
but
I
think
we
need
more
information
to
find
out.
If
that's,
if
that's
an
issue
and
then
to
the
extent
that
1007
is
using
cns
parking,
I
think
we
need
to
have
more
information
on
what
that
what
the
relationship
is
between
the
Siena
parking
spaces
and
1007.
If
that's
a
long-term
relationship
and
how
long-term
it
is.
J
Y
Z
A
Y
AA
My
question
is
probably
for
stamp
one:
how
does
this
I
know
the
dog
beach
washed
away
this
year?
But
how
does
the
city,
how
did
the
city
control
the
health
of
the
dogs
using
the
dog
beach
and
to
again
that
intersection?
That's
a
curve
on
to
Clark
Street.
Has
any
thought
been
given
by
the
city
to
making
that
a
controlled
intersection?
Stop
signs,
not
necessarily
a
stoplight.
Y
A
All
right,
very
good,
very
good
Commissioner,
hella
Kenny,
you
you're
the
one
who
hasn't
said
anything,
nothing,
no
other
questions.
I
just
have
have
one
I'm
wondering
if
there
has
been
any
site
or
shadow
studies
done
for
the
for
the
project
and
I
guess
that
is
the
to
address
concerns
about
about
casting
of
shadows.
So
all
right.
L
M
A
D
AC
D
So
again,
for
the
record:
Kati
Genki
Dale
a
couple
initial
things
that
even
the
lawyer
can
answer.
It's
not
even
the
lawyer
by
the
Lilly
lawyer
can
answer.
As
far
as
process
notice,
we
worked
with
staff.
We
used
the
city's
notice
mailing
system.
We
had
two
different
community
meetings
when
the
notice
was
sent
out
a
little
bit
late,
so
we
had
a
follow
up
one
so
with
the
notice
and
well
in
advance.
We
also
attended
ward
night
hosted
by
owner
mini-break
white
last
weekend
or
last
week
at
that
meeting.
D
As
far
as
the
dog
parks
and
licensing
I'm,
goin
fishin
Reubens
question,
we
would
love
to
learn
what
the
city
guys
like
the
it
will
likely
be
a
condition
in
residence
leases
or
it
will
be
a
condition
resident
sleep.
We
says
that
their
dogs
are
legal
in
whatever
way
is
required
in
Evanston,
but
given
that
the
dog
park
is
a
public
amenity
and
open
to
the
public,
we
also
will
also
have
signage,
and
if
there
are
issues
with
unlicensed
dogs,
then
we
would
work
with
the
city
and
whoever
enforces
dog
safety
in
the
city.
D
A
AC
AC
Figure
out
the
pointer
on
this
thing:
there
we
go
so
the
main
components
of
the
grade-level
landscape
consist
of
a
row
of
20
new
Street
trees
in
tree
grates
along
the
the
front
end
of
parking
along
oak.
We'll
also
have
some
trees
in
these
landscape
bump-outs
here,
underneath
those
trees
in
those
bump-outs
will
be
a
mixture
of
shrubs,
perennials
ornamental
grasses,
lower-level
landscape
like
that,
and
then
there's
also
a
landscape
island
up
here,
where
we
have
some
plantable
space
to
enhance
the
streetscape,
the
dog
park
area,
the
actual
surface
of
the
dog
park.
AC
We
need
it
to
be
something
that's
durable,
permeable,
as
well
as
wheelchair
accessible.
So
I
right
now,
the
thought
is
that
it'd
be
something
like
a
decomposed
granite
or
a
pea
rock.
Something
like
that
surrounding
the
dog
park
would
be
your
typical
turf
grass
along
the
southern
property
line.
There's
a
plantable
space
there,
and
actually
one
of
the
concerns
from
the
neighbors
to
the
south
is
that
we
create
some
sort
of
vegetative
screen
within
that
space.
AC
So
what
we
are
intending
to
do
there
is
plant
some
shade
tolerance,
narrow
tall,
upright
columnar
trees,
as
well
as
some
taller,
shrubs
and
perennials
in
front,
and
then
this
area
back
here
is
plantable
space
as
well,
and
it
will
become
turf
grass
as
well
as
evergreen
trees,
filling
that
space
from
a
tree
removal
standpoint
the
trees
that
were
referred
to
or
along
this
property
line.
Here
there
are
a
number
of
trees
there,
Scotch
pines
white
pines,
there's
a
Linden,
a
ginkgo.
AC
So
there's
there
is
a
variety
back
there,
all
in
different
states
of
health,
with
the
way
the
site's
being
developed
for
a
variety
of
construction,
related
reasons,
excavation
grading,
a
utility
installation,
all
those
trees
will
be
removed.
Evanston
does
have
a
tree
preservation
and
removal
ordinance
that
we
will
comply
with
it
states
any
tree.
We
have
to
do
a
survey
of
species,
size,
conditional
assessment
and
any
tree
that
isn't
dead
or
in
a
state
of
health
that
poses
a
risk
to
the
community.
A
F
One
of
the
questions
was
why
the
why
we
have
the
rapport
manner
the
way
that
it
is
on
the
second
and
third
level
we
are
compliant
on
all
sides
except
the
west
side.
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
and
the
reason
that
we
aren't
on
the
west
side
is
the
circulation
path.
I
talked
earlier
about
the
unique
nature
of
the
site,
the
triangular
shape,
which
we
think
is
really
interesting
and
in
one
of
the
the
drawbacks
of
that
shape,
is
that
you
don't
get
a
very
efficient
parking.
F
Your
stalls
per
girl
square
feet
increase
because
of
that
shape,
and
so
the
circulation
is
what
drove
that
West
Side
and
our
ask
for
a
little
bit
of
relief,
and
so
that
that's
the
response
for
that
question.
The
other
was
the
response
of
how
does
the
the
playfulness
as
I
described
it
in
the
architecture,
relate
to
the
bigger
context
of
Evanston
I.
Think
one
of
the
richest
things
about
Evanston?
Is
there
isn't
one
architectural
vocabulary
I
think
the
adjacent
building
to
us
is
a
world-famous
architect.
F
There
is
certainly
the
traditional
architecture
throughout
the
the
campus
there's.
Also,
some
very
contemporary
architecture
throughout
the
campus
I
think
our
approach
early
on
working
with
staff
was,
we
actually
came
in
with
a
more
traditional
looking
building
in
the
suggestion,
early
on
from
feedback
that
we
had
from
staff
and
early
discussions
with
in
their
presentations
with
the
neighborhood
is
that
we
would
go
more
contemporary,
and
so
we
I
meant
by
playful,
isn't
a
wild
number
of
colors
or
materials
on
the
building.
I
think
that
the
material
palette
is
very
restrained.
F
What
I
met
by
playful
is
that
there
isn't
a
rigid
sort
of
vocabulary
of
straight
lines
everywhere
we
felt
that
the
irregularity
of
the
fenestration
on
each
of
the
facades,
where
there's
a
shift
in
way
the
way
balconies
existed
and
a
shift
in
the
way
windows
existed
along
the
fenestration.
As
you
move
up,
the
building
was
a
very
fun
dynamic
way
of
looking
at
a
very
restrained
material
palette,
with
a
more
dynamic
expression
of
those
materials.
So
that
was
our
approach,
we're
very
happy
with
the
way
that
it
is
being
delivered.
F
The
the
other
portion
of
the
the
building,
the
the
way
that
the
garage
is
skinned
again
is
is
a
very
it's
a
what
single
material
that
has
a
slight
different
toll:
mental
color
to
it,
and
it's
it's
really
dynamic
with
sunlight
in
the
different
colors
of
the
sky,
as
it
kind
of
represents
itself
against
that
material.
So
that
was
our
approach.
AD
Thank
You
Katie
louia
Bruno,
with
Kayla
way
so
Kayla.
We
did
complete
a
traffic
study
for
the
proposed
development
and
I
believe
the
report
has
been
posted
on
the
city's
website,
so
it's
available
for
the
public
to
review
as
far
as
the
alleys
in
the
area
we're
not
impacting
them.
We're
not
changing
the
orientation
of
the
alleys
making
one
way
to
way,
or
vice
versa,
so
the
alley
hourly
wage
system
will
stay
the
way
it
is.
AD
Regarding
the
question
of
the
mid-block
crosswalk,
we
will
be
restriping,
it
so
we'll
be
refreshing,
the
the
crosswalk,
so
it's
more
visible
we're
not
proposing
any
additional
changes
at
this
point
you
know
with
the
city's
post
occupancy
study.
We
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
that
at
that
time
and
see
if
there
would
be
any
additional
changes
in
terms
of
signage
or
advance
warning
signs
needed.
AD
I
might
add
that
the
the
crosswalks
at
the
intersection
of
church
and
oak
will
be
upgraded
to
have
a
countdown
timers
and
that's
being
done
as
part
of
the
1815
Ridge
development.
This
development
will
upgrade
the
the
crosswalk
and
the
countdown
timers
at
the
intersection
of
average
in
church,
so
all
of
these
will
obviously
enhance
the
pedestrian
safety,
as
people
are
crossing
these
intersections.
AD
E
Whole
answers
all
right,
all
right,
so
I'm
going
to
do
my
best
to
kind
of
capture
the
remaining
items
so
we'll
follow
up
in
Katie's,
making
a
tabulation
here
and
checking
the
box
as
we
go
so
I'll
start
with
my
list.
The
metered
cars
we've
spoken
with
staff
on
Oak
each
stall
has
individual
meters
on
that
Street.
As
part
of
this
redevelopment,
those
meters
will
be
taken
down
in
a
meter
box.
That's
not
listed
on
the
public
benefit.
E
We're
going
to
be
paying
for,
for
that,
Street
is
to
include
that
that
you've,
seen
in
other
parts
of
the
area
of
Evanston
and
in
the
city,
so
that
that'll
be
part
of
an
infrastructure
improvement
along
there.
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
questions
in
this
stall
count.
I
mentioned
previously.
There
gonna
be
two
additional
stalls
added
to
the
street
and
also
to
a
da
stalls
within
that
additional.
So
currently,
there's
no
ad
a
metered
stalls.
Those
will
be
close
proximity
to
the
office
building
straddling
our
entrance.
E
So
that's
that's
the
first
one
projects
start
anticipating
or
hopeful
in
in.
If
everything
goes
as
planned,
we
would
be
looking
for
a
summer
start
of
this
year
2018
and
it's
typically
about
a
18
month.
It's
a
19
month,
construction
period,
and
we
view
that
to
your
question
about
when
we'll
be
full
and
we're
open
to
that,
as
the
constraint
of
the
traffic
study
would
be
typically
18
months
beyond
that
period
of
time,
so
we
can
trigger
it
off
occupancy
and
we're
open
to
that.
E
Moving
on
staff
members
there'll
be
six
full-time
staff
members
on
site.
In
addition
to
that,
there'll
be
two
coming
and
going
at
different
times.
If
there's
a
yoga
instructor,
if
there's
someone
teaching
a
class
health
class
whatever
it
is,
those
would
be
two
additional.
Those
six
plus
two
won't
all
be
there
at
the
exact
same
time.
So
that's
why
I
say
six
full-time
and
then
the
two
will
be
kind
of
float
back
and
forth
depending
on
the
activities
per
day.
Not
all
that
will
occur
at
one
time
loading.
E
This
is
interesting.
We've
never
included
two
loading
docks
in
any
of
our
projects.
This
is
a
unique
housing
type,
even
beyond
that,
so
even
with
market
rate,
if
you're
on
an
alley,
sometimes
you
can
satisfy
that.
So
you
don't
need
to
ask
for
the
allowance,
but
for
our
demand,
our
retention
on
these
units,
it's
adriÃ
strict
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
moving
in
and
moving
out.
E
So
that's
regarding
the
loading,
in
addition
to
that,
obviously,
there's
other
stalls
in
the
perimeter
of
the
building,
if
it's
a
small
van
delivering
food
etc,
would
be
a
traditional
size,
but
that
Loden
is
for
a
box
truck
that
would
be
maneuvering
in
our
site
entirely.
No
reversing
out
through
the
streetscape
pedestrian
realm
would
be
all
within
our
site
and
taking
a
left
out
or
right
out
of
our
site
going
forward.
E
Jumping
over
to
the
next
list
trash
the
sequence.
The
trash
room
is
located
by
the
loading
dock,
there's
extra
space
within
the
loading
dock
area,
so
that
would
be
wheeled
out
on
trash
day
depending
on
when
the
pick
ups
are
handled,
the
car
would
pull
up,
trash
would
be
picked
up
and
the
bin
would
be
wheeled
back
in
this
would
be
a
compactor
building,
so
there'd
be
less
demand,
less
pickups,
less
frequent,
because
we
would
compact
it
and
have
less
deliveries
and
trash
pickup
caregivers.
This
age
is
active
adults.
E
So
unless
there's
a
life
change
most,
these
people
are
not
having
caregivers.
If
they
are,
they
typically
be
living
in
a
continuum
of
care
community.
Our
average
age
is
72,
even
though
it's
55
plus.
So
we
set
the
age
restriction
for
fair
housing.
That
question
was
asked
previously,
but
our
average
age
is
72,
and
that
is
why
we
don't
envision
caregivers
if
there's
a
life
event
and
someone
or
a
disability
that
they
have.
E
This
exact
community
won't
address
that
they'll
either
live
here
with
some
sort
of
care
or
they'll,
probably
make
a
change
to
go
to
a
facility
that
would
cater
to
their
needs.
Specifically,
we
don't
restrict
anything.
Obviously
we'll
work
with
community
to
deliver
the
right.
A
da
all
units
are
ad
a
compliant
code
compliant
we
go
through
a
number
of
variations
with
just
grab
bars
and
the
showers,
etc,
just
for
precautionary
reasons
that
people
need
them
for
short
term,
but
not
for
whatever
they
need
at
various
times.
E
We're
there
to
help
our
residents
going
down
the
next
list.
Contamination.
One
of
the
conditions,
I
believe
in
the
staff
report,
was
in
the
event
we
encounter.
It
will
deal
with
environment,
potentially
Protection
Agency,
to
handle
that
waste
to
go
off-site.
We've
conducted
a
phase
one
and
Phase
two,
and
we
believe
that
there's
nothing
in
there,
that's
any
different
than
any
other
site
that
we're
typically
seeing
Evanston
or
the
city,
but
we'll
do
follow
the
precautions
of
the
code
jumping
over
to
the
public
tracker
I.
Think
it's
a
great
idea.
E
The
staff
we've
actually
never
included
one
of
these
in
our
development.
In
the
past
staff
requested
it,
so
we
are
open
to
where
we
put
it
if
it's
visible
by
both
patrons
inside
the
building
or
outside,
but
we'll
with
staff
to
incorporate
that.
If
that's
an
important
comment,
traffic
I
already
answered
that
that
we're
fine
with
having
it
be
the
look
back
once
we're
full
and
we'll
provide
that
in
writing.
When
we
achieve
that
status,
health
of
the
dog
park
I
think
that
was
for
staffs.
E
Looking
at
any
of
the
other
questions,
I
think
sizes
of
units,
it's
about
68%,
one-bedroom
or
smaller,
and
about
32%
two
bedrooms,
the
ranges
in
size,
the
studios,
income,
Studios
alcoves.
However,
you
want
to
look
at.
It
is
569
approximately
that'll
be
subject
to
minor
modification,
as
the
plans
evolve.
We
have
26
of
those.
We
have
three
different
sizes
of
one
bedrooms:
15%
are
small
about
650
average
about
23%
are
about
7
30
square
feet
and
26
of
those
15%
are
about
764.
E
On
the
small
end,
the
medium-sized
twos
are
about
1150
square
feet,
which
is
about
15%
and
the
last
remainder
are
kind
of
the
corner
unit
two-bedroom
and
units
that
are
about
1,250
square
feet,
so
average
unit
size,
approximately
818
169
units,
and
we
view
that
our
market
study
that
we've
submitted
to
staff
this
use
there's
an
extreme
amount
of
demand
for
the
next
few
years
of
this
product
type.
In
addition,
after
were
delivered
to
satisfy
this
growing
demand.
E
Our
partner,
The
Carlyle
Group,
is
a
large
holder
of
this
real
estate,
large
owner
large
developer
they're
following
trends.
If
you
look
at
the
demographics,
the
desire,
the
need
this
is
Maine
and
Maine
throughout
the
country
for
where
we
want
to
deliver
that,
and
that's
why
we
think
this
use
is
very
unique.
I
think
with
that
that
is
all
I
have,
but
I
will.
Okay.
E
Hit
on
blue
a
will
come
up
about
the
construction
traffic,
but
we,
as
part
of
our
condition,
have
to
work
on
a
construction
management
plan
as
a
condition
to
pulling
a
building
permit
we're
gonna
hire
a
first-class
general
contractor.
That's
built
in
the
area
knows
the
area.
We
need
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
view
every
project
as
we're
gonna,
be
your
neighbor
for
the
ongoing
future.
So
we're
going
to
try
to
do
our
best
to
maintain
all
the
construction.
E
Logistics,
signage
wayfinding
during
those
construction
periods
and
Louie
can
talk
up
a
little
bit
about
just
the
alley
that
was
referenced.
If
these
trucks
are
there
they're
coming
to
and
from
the
site
every
day,
they
know
where
it
is
they're
not
looking
to
an
area
to
find
it
and
if
we're
having
big
deliveries
certain
days,
they'll
have
people
on
site
directing
traffic
into
an
on-site
gate,
so
all
the
activity
will
be
within
the
right-of-way
or
on
our
site.
E
A
A
E
There
was
a
building
there
on
the
parking
lot
way
back
it
paused,
I,
believe
Lyme,
green
or
different
sorts.
There
actually
was
an
old
rail
spur
that
came
into
the
site,
so
the
history
goes
way
back
most
recently,
it's
obviously
a
parking
lot
for
the
office
building
a
little
bit
of
the
history
on
this
site
and
the
parking
the
owner
is
here.
Fd
Stonewater
is
the
owner.
They
purchased
this
building
they
also
by
purchasing
that
they
bought
fee
simple
ownership
of
a
parking
lot
across
the
street.
E
That's
in
the
building
that
we're
referencing,
so
those
two
go
hand-in-hand.
That
parking
is
part
of
the
approvals
of
their
office
building
being
code
compliant
for
their
parking.
I,
believe
staff
and
lists
can
confirm
this
that
that
analysis
was
done
by
them.
Reducing
the
stalls
on
our
parking
lot
that
we're
buying
still
allows
them
to
be
Co
compliant
or
the
planned
development,
and
the
medical
use
is
for
one
user.
They
actually
don't
even
need
as
much
parking
because
it
hasn't
been
heavily
burdened.
E
If
you
go
there
at
any
various
times
throughout
the
day,
there's
plenty
of
stalls
these
are
by
appointment
only
typically
and
that's
why
it's
a
unique
use
that
the
tenant
was
obviously
satisfied
with
taking
less
parking
across
the
street
they're,
also
providing
wayfinding
signage
as
you
go
through
this
here
part
of
the
crosswalk
improvements.
We're
gonna
be
improving
that
crosswalk
we're
signing
it.
Every
visitor
who's
coming
to
make
an
appointment
will
be
told
where
to
park.
It'll
be
a
transition
period.
They've
already
made
the
transition.
The
parking
lot
is
vacated.
E
The
amendment
sign
there's
no
one
parking
in
the
parking
lot
right
now.
Once
you
pull
into
the
garage
they'll
be
parking
signs
only
they
have
ownership
just
like
the
kind
of
building
they
have
rights
to
that
stall.
So
they
can
dedicate
those
stalls.
However
they
want,
and
then
each
parking
stall
will
be
located
with
Northshore
parking,
so
I
think
that
hopefully
satisfies
and
I'm
here.
If
you
have
any
other
questions
that
Melissa
or
I
can
answer.
A
A
B
There
are
requirements
in
order
to
purchase
pass
from
the
city,
including
proof
of
vaccinations,
proof
of
pet
license
and
a
signage
of
a
liability
waiver
that
is
regarding
the
city's
dog
beach
I
believe,
there's
also
questions
this
year
about
the
water
levels
and
whether
the
dog
Beach
will
be
open,
but
that's
a
separate
matter
regarding
the
question
about
whether
a
controlled
intersection
would
be
considered
a
token
Clark.
The
plans
have
been
reviewed
by
our
public
courts
agency
and
traffic
engineers.
We
have
not
had
that
as
a
recommendation.
That's
come
up.
You
know
this
interim
period.
B
We
could
follow
up
with
them
and
just
see
if
that's
something
they've
looked
at.
That's
something.
We've
not
heard
at
this
time
regarding
the
traffic
study
I
think
we'd
certainly
be
open
to
amending
the
condition
about
at
what
point
that
the
sort
of
post
approval,
if
there's
an
approval
traffic
study,
would
occur
and
doing
that
a
different
time
period
or
a
time
period.
You
know
if
there's
a
minimum
akut
occupancy
level
at
that
time.
Regarding
the
parking
questions
see
if
melissa
has
any
answers
today,
otherwise
we
can
certainly
follow
up.
If
the
hearing
has
continued.
C
Regarding
the
parking
for
the
1007
church
building,
originally
it
was
that
building
was
required
to
have
245
parking
spaces
and
then
in
1998
there
was
a
request
to
add
more
parking
to
allow
for
a
medical
office,
use
that
request
needed
to
add
at
least
49
additional
parking
spaces
which
brought
the
requirement
up
to
294
spaces.
At
that
point,
the
the
development
had
significantly
more
spaces
than
necessary.
They
had
345.
So
now,
once
you
subtract
off
the
45
surface,
parking
spaces
that
will
be
lost
due
to
this
development.
C
AC
So
the
green
roof
on
the
top
of
the
third
floor
is
going
to
be
an
extensive
system,
which
means
it's
are
approximately
four
inches
deep.
Four
inch
depth
of
lightweight
soil
mix
and
planted
on
top
of
that
will
be
a
shallow
rooted,
hearty
drought,
tolerant
plants,
low
profile.
Typically,
things
like
sea
domes.
A
B
A
A
All
right
so
so
I'm
going
to
say
that
there
is
a
were
we
can
proceed
with
making
public
statements
today.
So
your
your
statement
of
fact
would
be
at
that
point,
but
I
must
say
that
if
you
want
to
make
a
a
public
statement
tonight,
you
will
not
be
able
to
make
it
the
at
the
at
the
continuance.
All
right
is
there.
Anyone
who
would
like
to
make
any
public
statements
today.
M
Hello,
I'm
Gary
Johnson,
mr.
chairman
commissioners,
all
of
us
in
the
neighborhood
understand
that
at
some
point
this
property
will
be
developed.
It's
the
right
thing
for
Evanston
someday,
it's
part
of
the
plan.
The
question
is:
should
it
be
this
development
and
we
very
strongly
believe
no,
it's
already
a
place
where
there
is
a
lot
of
congestion
and
increasing
amounts
of
traffic.
We've
heard
it
from
your
side
of
the
table.
That's
around
that
corner,
it's
already
very
difficult.
I.
Think
of
that
corner
and
in
the
street
is
the
way
people
seem
to
treat.
M
It
is
like
an
exit
ramp
from
Ridge
people
come
whipping
around,
and
then
they
have
these
deer
in
headlight
moments.
If
that
crosswalk
and
I've
been
caught
there
many
times
myself,
where
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
car
accelerating
as
it
is,
it
comes
off
of
Ridge
and
it's
already
very
dangerous.
Now
this
proposal
is
going
to
add
to
that
congestion.
M
M
As
you
heard
briefly,
Sienna
was
originally
marketed
for
people
with
disabilities
and
there
quite
a
few
people
with
developmental
disabilities,
physical
disabilities.
This
isn't
a
passing
moment.
This
is
the
way
it
was
marketed
from
the
start
and
our
neighbors,
who
are
in
the
disability
community,
are
a
permanent
part
of
our
community.
They've,
been
very,
very
steady
in
their
ownership.
They
have
services
there
so
forth.
M
If
I'm
worried
crossing
the
street
the
way
it
is
now
they're,
doubly
triply
worried
so
I
ask
you
to
consider
all
of
us,
but
including,
and
especially
them,
and
finally,
I
would
like
to
make
one
request
and
I'm
not
taking
away
from
the
thought
that
this
is
the
wrong
proposal.
I
believe
it
from
bottom
of
my
heart.
M
It
is
the
wrong
proposal
if
you
examine
the
facts,
but
if
it
happens
that
you
endorse
this
proposal,
please
do
not
grant
all
these
special
allowances
that
they
are
asking
for
each
and
every
one
of
those
that
you've
heard
height
number
of
units
each
and
every
one
of
those
adds
to
the
congestion.
Please
do
not
turn
your
back
on
the
community.
Thank
you.
T
My
name
is
Mary
Jo
Cranfield
again
and
I
live
at
1720
Oak
Avenue
in
the
Sienna
condos
across
the
street,
from
that
proposed
1727
development,
which
it
will
be
double
the
height
of
Siena,
an
eight
story,
building
I'm
a
lifelong
Evans,
domion
I've
moved
back
here
in
2006
from
graduating,
from
the
U
of
I
and
I
moved
into
my
condo.
After
considering
numerous
other
developments
in
the
downtown
area,
I
chose
this
location
because
it
was
less
congested
and
offered
plenty
of
street
parking
for
my
caregivers,
my
nurses
and
all
my
home
medical
staff.
T
The
addition
of
two
new
tower
developments
within
a
half-black
of
our
neighborhood,
with
only
personal
parking
provided
for
residents
and
passively
as
many
as
100
employees
at
18:15
Ridge
development,
will
create
severe
parking
shortage
on
Oak
Avenue.
The
additional
two
parking
spaces
really
doesn't
wouldn't
help
us
no
available
parking
is
critical
for
Siena
residents
guests
and
the
new
law
firm.
T
That
also
does
established
in
our
building,
in
addition
to
parking
shortages,
traffic
congestion
and
reduce
property
value,
which
we
already
know
of
someone
who
a
buyer
that
backed
out
of
buying
it
Seanna
because
of
this
tower
and
the
owner
lost
her
contract.
My
unit
and
many
other
units
at
considerable
personal
expense
have
been
sufficient,
specially
adapted
for
physical
disabilities.
This
is
not
a
situation
where
I
could
easily
just
pack
my
things
up
and
move
out
of
the
neighborhood
and
say
you
know:
I
don't
want
to
live
here
anymore.
AE
AF
My
name
is
Meg
Welch
and
I
live
at
1325,
Greenleaf
and
I'd
like
to
address
the
affordability
of
this
complex,
so
I
as
I
understand
it
the
market
to
value
the
market
rent
for
the
one
bedrooms.
It's
going
to
be
around
$2,800
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
this
is
not
moderately
priced
housing,
a
senior
housing
and
there's
a
shortage
of
a
moderately
priced
senior
housing
across
the
country.
AF
So
the
average
social
security
benefit
and
you
sitting
on
the
Dyess.
Probably
this
won't
be
your
situation
you're
privileged,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
people
whose
only
retirement
income
is
Social
Security
and
the
average
benefit
is
one
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
nine
dollars.
That's
90
percent
of
the
income
for
twenty
three
percent
of
retired
couples
for
people
who
have
never
married
it
is
like
40,
it's
like
90
percent
of
their
income,
so
I
mean
40
43
percent
of
married,
it's
90
percent
of
their
income.
AF
So
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
this
we
have
a
lot
of
luxury
senior
housing
and
I
also
would
like
to
know
I'd
like
to
just
throw
out.
Did
you
pour
over
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
because
Trammell
Crowe
comes
out
and
says
that
it
does
not
meet
it?
The
all
the
provisions
and
because
it
is
a,
does
not
meet
all
the
Express
provisions.
It's
actually.
According
to
the
inclusionary
housing
ordinance
an
alternative,
equivalent
proposal,
the
Express
provisions
that
are
not
so
we
understand
they
have
the
chant.
AF
AF
It
expressly
says
that
the
affordable
units
should
be
proportional
to
the
units,
so
there
has
to
be
the
same
mix
of
there's
certain
percentage
of
two-bedroom
units.
The
affordable
units
have
to
be
have
to
have
a
same
percentage.
If
there's
one
bedrooms,
they
have
to
have
the
same
percentage
so
they're,
not
including
any
two
bedrooms.
There
are
people
who
are
in
need
of
you
know.
AF
The
affordable
units
will
need
two
bedrooms
and
the
the
ordinance
says
that
if
you're,
not
if
you
do
not
meet
the
Express
provisions
of
of
the
the
section
four
inclusionary
ordinance,
that
any
proposal
shall
show
how
the
alternative
proposed
will
increase
of
affordable
housing
opportunities
in
the
city
to
an
equal
or
greater
extent
than
compliance
with
the
expressed
requirements
of
this
chapter.
Such
proposals
for
alternatives
shall
be
considered
on
a
case-by-case
basis
by
the
City,
Council,
etc.
AF
But
if
the
City
Council
determines
that
such
alternative
will
increase
in
fordable
housing
opportunities
in
the
city
to
an
equal
or
greater
extent
than
compliance
with
the
express
purpose.
But
the
point
here
is
is
that
any
proposal
shall
show
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
packet
tonight.
Is
there
a
pro
forma
and
I'm?
Also
I'd
like
to
ask
the
city
a
question:
why
isn't
a
request
for
a
pro
forma
in
your
recommendations,
and
why
was
this
just
glossed
over?
AF
A
Right
is
last
chance.
Anyone,
okay,
so
a
little,
probably
a
little
against
precedent,
and
if
it's
not
breaking
all
the
rules,
I
would
like
to
ask
the
commissioners
to
to
either
either
comment
in.
You
know
in
a
way
that
maybe
will
help
them
get
information
that
they
feel
that
they
might
like,
after
this
discussion
for
the
developer,
to
provide
for
the
next
for
the
next
meeting,
if,
if
they
have
any
kind
of
requests,.
I
A
Requested
it
yeah
so
so
we're
caught
here
that,
with
the
motion
with
the
motion
to
continue
I,
think
we're
going
to
close
close
the
case
so
so
I'm
trying
to
just
make
sure
we
get
the
information
that
that
we
would
like
all
right.
So
all
right
so
so
without
without
that,
there
has
been
a
request
for
a
continuance
to
a
proposed
date
of
April
11th.
Do
I,
hear
a
motion
or
any
discussion
on
the
matter.
A
A
AB
B
AB
A
All
right,
so
so
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
was
not
just
forward
to
a
date.
Certain
is
that
it
was
clear
that
that
that
the
notification
requirements
for
for
this
for
this
planned
development
have
been
fulfilled
by
the
first
notification
for
this
meeting,
and
there
is
no
requirement
for
further
notification.
So
so
so
please
take
care
and
and
know
that
the
next
meeting
will
be
on
April
11th,
when
this
will
be
heard
all
right.
A
A
P
I
O
I
AG
P
A
P
P
AE
A
A
Excuse
excuse
me,
ma'am,
excuse
me
ma'am.
This
is
a
public
hearing
and
we're
not
we're
not
done
we're
not
done
with
the
with
the
meeting
yet.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
the
next.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
a
text
amendment
for
for
Coach
houses,
the
definition
of
Coach
houses,
number
18,
P,
L
and
D
zero
zero
one,
three
who's
making
the
presentation
I
will.
B
Mr.
chairman,
good
evening,
mr.
chair
members,
the
commission
members
the
public,
this
item
as
mentioned,
was
a
text
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
Regarding
the
definition
of
a
coach
house.
It
was
a
referral
from
the
City
Council.
The
City
Council
is
a
little
bit
of
background
has
been
looking
at
for
housing
as
one
of
the
the
larger
issues
citywide
they've
been
convening
generally
on
a
quarterly
basis
to
discuss
a
whole
list
of
issues
regarding
affordable
housing.
B
One
of
those
specific
items
has
to
do
with
Coach
houses
as
a
type
of
accessory
dwelling
unit,
currently
by
code
and
by
interpretation
of
the
ordinance.
Those
accessory
dwelling
units
is
a
coach
house,
our
accessory
to
the
the
primary
structure,
the
single-family
house,
on
on
the
lot
there,
and
the
interpretation
of
that
is
that
the
occupant
has
to
be
in
some
way
related
to
the
family.
That's
within
the
primary
glowing
unit,
the
single-family
house,
so
the
the
direction
from
City
Council
and
as
I
mentioned
they're
a
whole
number
of
items
are
looking
at
this
one.
B
We
did
get
a
referral
and
did
get
clear
direction
was
to
allow
those
to
be
rented
out
or
occupied
by
persons
who
are
not
related
to
the
the
persons
within
the
primary
structure
of
the
house
there.
So
we're
really
focusing
doing
a
limited
text
amendment
just
to
try
to
address
that
one
issue
knowing
that
they're
a
whole
number
of
other
issues
regarding
a
fertile
housing
and
even
additional
issues
regarding
accessory
going
in
its
in
coach
houses
that
could
be
viewed
in
the
future,
but
based
on
the
referral
we
do
have
a
suggested
text.
B
Amendment
essentially
here.
It's
to
add
a
sentence
to
the
existing
definition.
The
first
sentence
is
within
the
existing
definition
of
a
coach
house
as
a
secondary
or
accessory
dwelling
unit
located
on
the
same
zoning
lot
as
the
principal
dwelling
unit,
we
are
proposing
to
add
a
sentence,
as
proposed.
Its
tenants
of
coach
houses
may
be
unrelated
to
the
owners
of
the
principal
residential
structure,
so
that
is
a
suggested
language.
B
A
Z
H
The
alternative
regulations
that
you
mentioned
did
not
say
anything
about
affordability
and
I.
Just
have
to
say
that
when
the
city,
when
I
have
been
talking
heard,
people
speaking
and
of
when
I've
talked
with
the
staff,
what
was
Sarah
flax,
ancillary
housing
is
often
brought
up
as
a
possibility
for
expanding
our
affordable
housing.
Is
it
possible
that
that
would
be
one
of
the
regulations
that
might
be
considered
if
the
coach
houses
became
legal.
H
B
This
was
an
idea
that
was
brought
up
to
City
Council
by
staff.
When
looking
this
item
of
potentially
limiting,
though
or
setting
affordability
level
for
these
Coach
houses,
we
did
not
receive
direction
on
that
aspect
of
it.
So
it's
still
something
could
be
addressed
in
the
future,
so
you
know
tendentially.
This
would
potentially
allow
for
increased
supply
of
housing,
so
in
that
manner
it
could
could
help
to
address.
Affordability
could
also
create
more
units
of
a
smaller
size.
B
A
A
Z
B
B
Additionally,
there
are
there
limitations
within
the
building
code
and
property
maintenance
code
about
maximum
number
of
occupants,
based
on
the
size
of
a
room,
zand
sleeping
rooms,
so
those
would
both
still
be
applicable
for
for
any
dwelling
unit,
and
for
that
definition
of
dwelling
unit,
it
does
have
to
do.
As
you
mentioned,
with
a
sleeping
area.
B
So
it
is
dwelling
unit.
Definition
is
a
room
or
group
of
contiguous
rooms
that
include
facilities
used
or
intended
for
to
be
used
for
living,
sleeping
cooking
and
eating
and
they're
arranged
designed
or
intended
for
use
exclusively
as
living
quarters.
So
traditionally
we
would
have
to
have
a
kitchen
and
bathing
facilities.
X
B
B
It
does
open
up
the
document
see
of
those
it's
a
construction
type.
That
is,
you
know,
present
and
historically
present.
You
know
within
the
community
and
in
various
neighborhoods,
particularly
older
neighborhoods,
but
it
does
allow
or,
as
a
member
of
the
audience
stated,
legalized
the
the
ability
to
rent
out
those
units
yeah.
Now,
instead
of
family
members,
warned
on
household
workers
or
someone
with
some
relationship
to
the
family
and
the
other.
X
Structure
so
it
you
know
we're
not
scofflaws
anymore,
we're
we're
illegal
now,
so
I
just
I'm
just
curious.
If
this,
because
I
know
that
this
was
scrutinized
pretty
heavily
by
the
building
department,
whenever
anyone
would
build
such
a
unit-
and
it
would
have
to
be
clearly
stated
that
hey
I'm,
not
you
know
well
I
can't
rent
this
out
to
anybody.
But
now
this
is
really
gone
and
I
have
I
trust.
You
guys
have
thought
this
through.
In
terms
I
mean
how
many
do
we
have
a
sense
of
how
many
Coach
House
Coach
houses?
AH
AH
B
AB
B
Y
AG
Y
If
my
light
son
or
not,
but
will
the
will
these
be
required
to
be
registered
with
the
city
as
rental
units.
AI
AI
A
Any
other
questions
all
right
well
well:
I
have
I
guess
a
few
I
am
wondering
you
know
now
by
by
this
ordinance,
without
any
other
controls
in
place,
it
seems
that
that
we've
now
opened
up
a
venue
for
profitability
of
making
making
little
profit
centers
for
people.
So
so
are
there
any
controls
on
on
as
part
of
this,
on
the
amount
of
people,
whether
they
can
go
in
and
build
new
structures
or
start.
You
know
converting
every
single
back
backyard
into
a
rental,
a
rental
property
and
then
those
rental
properties.
A
I
don't
know,
and
just
as
a
statement
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
wise
to
open
up
open
up
a
definition
that
could
that
could
set
in
motion
a
lot
of
actions
that
that
are
that
that,
in
the
end
we
may
want
to
or
control
afterward
it's
not
really
a
comprehensive
to
me.
A
comprehensive
thing
is
just
changing
a
definition
that
opens
up
a
whole
uncontrolled
set
of
consequences.
So
that's
just
my
statement
but
I
had
to
two
questions
in
in
there.
Okay,.
B
Yes,
the
chair
Louis
regarding
the
first
question:
they're
not
proposed
being
limitations
on
the
number
of
properties
within
a
block
per
se
that
they
could
develop
a
coach
house.
However,
there
are
obviously
are
a
number
of
other
regulations
and
limitations
within
the
zoning
ordinance
regarding
lot
coverage
and
pervious
surface
coverage
parking
requirements,
a
coach
house
does
require
one
additional
parking
space
in
addition
to
two
parking
spaces
required
for
a
single-family
dwelling.
B
B
However,
as
noted
the
the
proposed
changes
to
remove
the
limitation
of
a
kind
of
who
can
live
there
and
that
the
second
part
regarding
the
the
occupancy
of
those
their
occupancy
limitations
within
our
property
standards
and
building
code
based
on
square
footage
of
the
bedroom
and
other
sleeping
rooms,
and
then
there
is
still
the
definition
of
a
family
that
deals
with
the
number
of
unrelated
persons
that
can
live
within
a
12
unit.
So.
A
Those
are
limitations
within
the
r1
and
r2
zoning
district.
That
effect,
primarily
this.
These
coach
houses
that
they
would
affect
all
because
I'm
wondering
why
it
isn't
so
so
is.
Is
there
a
control
in
place
already
on
the
coach
house
that
that
would
then
become
a
multi-family,
residence
or
or
you
know
that
if
they
rented
it
out
two
to
two
separate
people,
I
think
mister,
because
he
said
you
could
you
could
tear
out
the
garage
portion
and
make
that
a
unit?
And
then
the
unit
above
that
could
constitute
two
apartments
right.
B
AB
AB
AA
J
Think
pretty
much
everyone's
comments
with
respect
to
this
proposal
have
been
concerned
about
how
this
would
otherwise
affect
the
rest
of
the
zoning
code.
Given
that,
from
my
perspective,
it's
I
would
either
be
asking
staff
to
come
back
with
something
or
we
would
take
it
to
the
zoning
subcommittee
or
whatever.
The
subcommittee
is
called
to
explore
how
that
how
this
change
would
otherwise
affect
the
zoning
code
as
a
whole.
A
B
Is
a
possibility
to
look
at
other
requirements
in
the
future?
The
kind
of
direction
we've
gotten
on
this
one
is
is
a
pretty
discrete
change
from
City
Council
just
to
allow
you
know
those
to
be
rented
out
to
non-family
members
stated.
No.
Other
changes
are
proposed
to
other
development
regulations
so
that
the
same
structure
that
could
be
built
today
could
still
be
built
if
this
change
was
put
into
place.
However,
the
change
that
would
occur
is
is
who
could
reside
in
this
structure
in
relation
to
the
primary
structure
on
the
site?
Is.
J
B
A
B
Y
AC
A
J
AG
P
B
What
enforcement
mechanisms
are
currently
in
place
and
would
be
in
place
in
the
future?
How
many
of
the
the
units
exist
currently
within
the
community
questions
about
the
current
and
future
limitations
on
number
of
occupants
or
number
of
Coach
houses
that
could
be
created
and
then
discussion.
Regarding
kind
of
where
this
item
should
go
from
here,
whether
recommendation
to
the
City
Council,
based
on
the
referral
continuation
to
another
meeting
of
the
plan
commission
or
referral
to
the
zoning
subcommittee
of
the
Plan
Commission,
it's
kind
of
what?
If
what
I've
heard
so
far.
But
thank.
Y
You
and
then
also
the
proposal
in
front
of
us
would
not
change
any
other
aspects
of
the
zoning
code.
Is
that
accurate,
so
the
school
only
changed
would
be.
If
people
could
build
a
coach
house
today,
they
could
build
it
tomorrow,
it's
just
to
whom
they
could
rent
that
Coach
house.
Precisely.
Thank
you
all.
A
P
AI
Can
provide
clarification,
perhaps
chair
Louis,
so
right
now
you
have
a
motion
to
deny
so
the
Bourdon
with
the
commission
members
have
the
ability
to
vote
yes,
meaning
that
they
want
to
deny
the
proposal
promoting.
No
there's
a
majority
of
individuals
that
vote
yes
and
it's
denied
and
that's
the
final
action.
If
there's
not
a
majority,
then
there's
still
have
been
an
individual
can
make
another
motion
and
it
might
be
one
of
the
other
two
options
that
you
proposed
earlier
all.
A
AB
X
A
Y
A
B
AB
J
A
A
All
right,
I
think
that
is
there
I
think
that
concludes.
That
concludes
the
text.
Amendment.
Is
there
any
other
business
I?
Guess
not
any
public
comment.
That's
on
the
agenda!
No!
Okay!
So
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
some?
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
by
move
by
so
okay
moved
by
Goddard
seconded
by
salih
all
right
in.