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A
A
Our
first
item
of
business
is
approval
of
regular
meeting
minutes
of
April
8
2019
do
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
second
any
discussion,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
No!
Thank
you.
Unanimous
approval.
Okay,
our
our
first
item
of
business,
I'm,
just
gonna,
get
it
introduced
and
then
we'll
have.
We
have
a
number
of
speakers
who
want
to
offer
their
public
comment.
So
this
is
consideration
of
ordinance,
11:112,
0
818,
granting
major
zoning
relief
for
building
lot
coverage,
setbacks
and
open
parking
at
26,
26,
Reese,
Avenue.
A
A
C
B
B
This
ridiculous
proposal
is
asking
for
major
double-digit
percentage,
variance,
requests
on
11
sides
of
the
house,
the
deck
the
basement
and
garage,
not
small,
variances
I
would
be
open
to
small
variances,
but
these
are
double
digit
percentage,
variances
that
he's
requesting
for
over
three
years,
the
City
Council
PMD
and,
as
EBA
has
heard
all
of
these
issues
affecting
my
house,
my
neighbors
and
the
neighborhood.
The
CBA
has
already
unanimously
denied
the
plan
twice.
B
We,
my
neighbors
and
I,
have
already
brought
to
attention
of
following
major
issues
for
26
26
plan,
major
double-digit,
variance
requests,
structural
engineering
reports
by
Wade
Clark,
one
of
the
fine
structural
engineers
in
the
world,
major
damage
to
my
home
from
a
nine
foot
deep
basement.
Remember
this
is
a
25
foot
lot
my
house
and
a
corner
lot
and
my
next-door
neighbors
of
26:22
water,
runoff,
grading,
sewer
parking
and
flood
control
have
all
been
brought
up.
B
We
looked
up
25-foot
corner
lot,
homes
in
Northwest
Evanston.
There
isn't
any
violations
overlooked
by
the
city
of
Evanston's,
Health,
Department,
ordinance,
I,
PMC,
3,
LT,
dot,
4,
weeds
and
grass.
All
premises
and
exterior
property
shall
be
maintained
from
weeds
or
plant
growth
in
excess
of
8
inches
I
have
Lee
trees
growing
there
that
are
25
foot
tall
everywhere,
no
basement
at
26
22
over
structural
concerns
from
1940
to
my
house
at
night
at
26
24.
B
They
didn't
build
it
back
then,
because
they
were
concerned
about
what
it
would
do
to
my
house
and,
lastly,
I.
Don't
trust
the
city
of
Evanston
or
mr.
James
anymore.
This
kicked
the
can
down
approach
to
the
aforementioned
serious
issues
that
will
be
resolved
if
only
mr.
James
is
allowed
to
build
as
dangerous.
It
will
set
a
dangerous
precedent
by
disregarding
current
and
future
zoning
laws
that
have
been
established
to
eliminate
these
issues.
B
D
My
name
is
Joseph
Perry
I'm
at
2907
Hartzell,
as
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
considers
the
proposal
for
2626
Reece
Avenue
I
want
to
highlight
both
the
outcome
and
the
process,
since
those
are
the
focus
of
my
concerns
and
the
reason
I
believe
that
P
and
D
should
deny
the
appeal
on
this
application.
The
latest
proposal
for
this
property,
which
is
not
the
same
as
the
proposal
that
was
rejected
by
the
CBA,
has
certain
changes
that
attempt
to
address
some
of
the
previously
stated
concerns,
but
introduces
other
changes
that
compound
some
of
those
concerns.
D
While
the
bulk
of
the
house
has
been
reduced
slightly,
the
house
now
has
a
10-foot
high
basement
with
only
one
foot
above
ground.
The
currently
proposed
basement
will
exacerbate
the
existing
flooding
concerns
in
the
neighbourhood
and
increase
the
chance
that
construction
will
negatively
impact
the
property
to
the
south.
The
street
side,
setback
variance
requested
has
not
changed
and
it
continues
to
be
out
of
character
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
as
the
city
staff
mentions
in
their
remember,
for
this
meeting
quote
appropriate
zoning
relief
is
determined
by
comparing
similar
conditions
throughout
a
neighborhood.
D
Addressing
potential
concerns
and
assessing
with
other
variations
requested
meet
the
standards
for
approval
end
of
quote.
In
this
case,
the
revised
proposal
has
never
been
submitted
to
the
CBA,
so
there's
no
way
to
determine
if
zoning
relief
is
appropriate
per
Evanston
zoning
code.
The
CBA
is
the
body
that
evaluates
those
three
criteria,
not
the
city
staff,
I
and
many
neighbors
have
stated
many
times
in
the
past
and
continue
to
insist
that
any
new
proposal
be
submitted
to
the
CBA
and
evaluated
by
them.
D
In
the
last
full
review
of
this
proposal
by
P
and
D,
a
request
was
made
of
the
city
staff
to
understand
how
this
application
compares
to
other
developments
on
similar
Lots.
Only
one
other
case
exists
in
the
last
55
years,
since
the
current
zoning
code
has
been
in
existence.
1928
Foster
Street,
which
was
developed
in
2000.
That
property
has
no
garage,
is
three
feet
wider
than
this
lot
and
has
no
air
conditioning
in
an
unfinished
basement.
According
to
Cook
County
records,
it
also
has
a
larger
street
side
yard
setback.
D
But
one
can
conclude
from
this
analysis,
as
the
applicant
does
have
further
opportunity
to
change
the
proposal
to
address
the
many
concerns
in
a
way
that
the
CBA
could
approve
the
final
process.
I
would
like
to
raise
concerns
the
proposed
ordinance
before
you
too,
as
city
staff
notes.
In
their
memo,
the
ordinance
is
written
to
allow
the
prior
proposal,
not
the
current
proposal.
D
If
add
ordinance
were
passed,
it
would
allow
the
applicant
to
ignore
the
updated
proposal
and
essentially
bypass
the
efforts
to
address
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
and
the
CBA,
while
I
firmly
believe
this
proposal
should
be
denied.
Any
ordinance
should
reflect
the
correct
variance,
requests
and
limits.
In
conclusion,
I
urge
PD
to
deny
this
appeal
and
ask
that
any
new
proposal
follow
the
correct
process
for
evaluation
by
the
appropriate
City
bodies.
Thank.
E
Hi
a
little
bit
2904,
which
is
just
a
jewel
across
the
alley
from
the
property
in
question
and
I'd
like
to
just
to
read
for
the
zba
said
specifically
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
determined.
The
proposal
does
not
meet
all
the
standards
for
major
variations.
Specifically,
the
proposal
resulted
as
substantive,
substantive,
substantial
excuse
me:
adverse
impact
on
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
Okay,
they've
looked
at
this
twice
and
came
to
that
same
conclusion-
has
living
next
door
to
it
and
across
where
it
would
come.
E
It
come
in
through
the
alley
where
all
the
water
would
have
to
come
in
because
you
can't
send
it
any
other
place,
except
into
the
alley.
I
believe
that
this
project
would
have
a
significant
adverse
effect
on
the
enjoyment
of
our
house
and
the
property
value,
and
so
I
would
request
that
it
go
back
to
the
CBA
where
it
belongs,
if
not
over
overruled.
F
Hi
I'm
Jim
Janicek
I'm,
not
a
neighbor
and
from
the
Ninth
Ward
I,
have
no
issue
with
the
aesthetics
of
this
proposed
structure.
I,
don't
care
how
high
it
is.
I,
don't
care
what
color
it
is.
I,
don't
care.
It
could
be
a
windowless
block
of
concrete
I'm
here,
because
this
applicant
constructed
a
very
similar
home
on
the
property
next
door.
To
me
12
years
ago,
the
construction
involved,
a
full
height
basement,
almost
identical
to
the
one
proposed
here.
F
Initially
there
was
a
sump
pump
discharge
located
at
the
midpoint
of
the
building,
which
seemed
to
discharge
water,
24/7
rain
or
shine.
The
water
flowed
on
to
our
property
until
we
complained
at
which
point
the
applicant
dug
a
trench
from
the
front
of
the
house
to
the
alley
he
lined
it
with
gravel
and
putting
a
large
perforated
pipe.
This
terminated
at
the
alley
with
a
catch
basin
that
headed
12
inch
grate.
On
top,
he
connected
the
sump
pump
to
this
pipe.
The
water
stopped
running,
unto
our
property
and
I
thought
nothing
of
it.
F
F
From
the
catch
basins,
if
the
water
was
overflowing
up
out
of
these
catch
basins,
that
means
the
perforated
drain
pipe
was
full
to
capacity
thanks
to
the
sump
pumps
working
constantly
the
amount
of
water
being
discharged
from
the
property
was
more
than
the
surrounding
permeable
surface
could
handle
I
thought
this
was
very
odd,
so
I
took
some
pictures.
I
continued
to
take
a
picture
every
day
for
12,
no
sorry,
seven
days,
I,
don't
see
how
the
property
proposed
at
26,
26
Rhys
would
be
any
different
than
what
I
just
described.
F
Digging
down
to
put
a
full
height
basement
in
will
most
likely
cause
the
exact
same
scenario
or
possibly
worse.
This
property
will
now
be
charging
possibly
hundreds
of
gallons
of
water
a
day
from
ten
to
twelve
feet
down,
and
where
will
it
go?
The
neighbor's
yard,
across
the
sidewalks
into
the
alley?
At
the
last
CBA
meeting,
the
applicant
was
asked
about
this,
both
mr.
Joseph
and
mr.
James
replied.
They
would
deal
with
it
later
with
staff
during
the
permitting
process
12
years
ago,
the
applicant
did
not
have
a
plan
for
where
this
water
would
go.
F
12
years
later,
he
still
does
not
seem
to
have
a
plan
and
I'm
not
sure
what
concerns
me
more,
that,
after
12
years,
he
has
not
learned
anything
or
that
he
just
doesn't
care
I'm
here,
because
I
do
care
about
these
words
from
the
city
code,
sump
pumps
and
discharge
from
other
sources,
including
downspouts,
shall
not
discharge
upon
a
public
way
nor
be
directed
towards
adjacent
properties
and
shall
be
drained
upon
the
premises
without
causing
retention
of
stagnant
water
thereon.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
G
I
have
been
in
mr.
horse
Dean's
basement
and
tonight
he
mentioned
again
that
the
only
problem
that
his
current
structure
has
is
where
Jason
to
where
that
small
small
excavation
took
place
and
I
can't
imagine
what
would
happen
if
structure
on
the
other
side
had
a
full
basement.
That
would
certainly
cause
some
disruption
in
the
in
the
in
the
soil
and
the
under
soil
in
that
area.
G
Again,
I,
don't
want
to
repeat,
what's
already
been
said,
I
concur
with
what's
been
said,
but
I
do
want
to
repeat
one
thing
that
I've
said
it
every
one
of
these
meetings.
The
only
way,
currently
using
normal
processes
that
mr.
James
can
build
on
that
boy
on
that
lot,
actually
there's
two
ways
he
can
acquire
mr.
horse
Dean's
home
and
thereby
he
has
a
50-foot
yacht
or
a
lot
and
and
he
can
build
pretty
much
what
he
wants
to
build
right
now.
G
H
This
is
going
to
still
have
a
two-foot
tall
third
50-foot
long
wall
of
a
building
three
feet
three
and
a
half
feet
from
the
sidewalk.
She
had
said
that
this
would
change
the
character
of
our
neighborhood
and
I
believe
her
I
agree
with
that
and
I
am
hoping
that
you
will
honor
what
the
Zoning
Board
the
time
and
effort
that
they
put
in
with
their
knowledge,
I
hope
you
will
honor
that
and
reject
this
application.
H
H
Don't
don't
break
something?
That's
fixed
I,
just
emailed
you
a
picture
of
another
hole
where
a
tree
has
been
lost
on
Hartzell
Street,
I'll
email
that
to
each
of
you,
citizens,
greener
Evanston,
has
reminded
us
that
our
valuable
urban
force
is
under
intense
pressure.
I
think
we
all
know
this
Evanston's
own
website
says.
H
Sadly,
the
city
of
Evanston
has
been
losing
trees
at
a
high
rate
due
to
extenuating
circumstances
such
as
touch
emerald
ash,
borer
infestation,
storm
damage
on
the
parks,
parkways,
greenways,
I've
lost
trees
and
now
have
a
tiny
one
on
my
Parkway
Evanston's
parkway
tree
planting
program
is:
does
that
is
designed
to
replace
those
trees?
Evanston
even
has
a
tax,
deductible
I
heart
Evanston
trees
campaign
on
the
city's
website.
Please
do
not
let
this
builder
endanger
the
large
trees.
We
still
have.
Please
reject
this
application.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
The
other
major
issue
that
we
haven't
talked
about
yet
that
I
think
it's
just
as
important
is,
if
not
more
so
than
everything
we've
talked
about
so
far.
This
is
a
safety
issue.
There
are
a
large
number
of
young
children
that
live
in
this
neighborhood
that
walk
along
this
route
to
Willard
school
every
day,
and
this
proposal
has
alternated
over
the
three
years
from
everything
from
a
two-car
garage
to
a
one
car
garage
with
a
parking
pad
all
of
it,
requesting
a
variance
on
the
setback
from
the
alley
itself.
I
It's
already
incredibly
difficult
to
see
anyone
walking
down
the
street
and
coming
around
this
alley.
If
we
allow
this
property
to
build
a
massive
structure
right
up
against
this
alley,
it's
going
to
become
almost
impossible.
This
alley
shares
a
step
back
with
commercial
properties
on
a
long
central
street
as
well.
There
are
people
that
do
not
live
in
this
neighborhood
that
used
this
alley
that
fly
through
it
at
2530
miles
an
hour
or
every
single
day
and
I
think
we're
just
a
matter
of
time
before
somebody
gets
into
a
serious
accident
here.
I
If
we
allow
another
blind
spot
without
preserving
a
sight
triangle
here
and
the
point
that
was
made
earlier
about
how
this
this
variance
continues
to
bounce
back
and
forth,
we
don't
know
what
you're
voting
on
tonight.
You
don't
know
what
you're
voting
on
tonight
and
without
knowing
that
I
think
it's
very
dangerous
to
take
a
vote
and
approve
something
that
you
don't
understand
fully
so
I
would
urge
you
again,
like,
like
all
of
my
neighbors,
have
please
reject
this
proposal
tonight.
Thank.
J
And
Kim
Newman
and
2833
Herzl
right
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
house.
There's
two
things:
I'm
worried
about.
One
is
parking
and
the
latest
plan
there
was
only
a
one
car
garage.
We
have
one
of
the
narrowest
streets
in
Evanston,
all
the
businesspeople
and
central
street
parked
on
our
street
with
the
one
car
parking
I,
don't
even
know
where
another
both
of
us
have
old
houses
with
one
car
garages,
I,
don't
even
know
we
retire.
Another
car
could
go
on
the
street.
J
J
K
I,
thank
you
for
seeing
us.
I
have
a
couple
points.
First
of
all,
I'm
one
of
the
few
people.
That's
actually
seen
the
water
table
that
goes
underneath
the
houses
and
so
I
know
how
deep
the
water
table
has
been,
and
it's
approximately
eight
to
nine
inches
underneath
the
foundation
of
all
these
houses.
So
when
you
take
into
account
adding
more
water,
you
should
take
into
account
where
the
water
table
actually
is,
and
since
I've
seen
it
I
know
what
that
will.
That
would
mean
I'd
like
to
echo
my
wife
on
this
narrow
street.
K
K
The
parking
is
limited,
so
I'm
very
worried
about
that.
The
third
thing
is
I'd
like
to
say:
is
that
I
echo
all
the
other
stuff
that
everyone
is
saying
and
I
would
say.
You
know.
We've
asked
for
three
years
answers
to
the
same
question
regarding
the
water,
the
structural,
the
trees,
and
we
are
still
waiting
for
an
answer.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
L
Hi
I'm
an
herder
I
live
at
28,
37
Hartzell,
which
is
directly
across
from
the
street
from
the
property
and
I've.
Pretty
much
heard
all
my
concerns
expressed
by
my
neighbors,
so
I,
don't
need
to
repeat
them
all,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'm
an
agreement
that
I
really
think
the
proposed
building
is
inappropriate
for
considering
the
size
of
a
lot.
For
the
reasons
stated
right.
M
Hello
Colleen
Barclay
at
26,
22
Reece
I,
am
adjacent
to
two
Lots
down
from
the
applicant
next
to
dick
course,
Dean's
I
want
to
echo
my
neighbors
I
agree
with
them,
and
I
want
to
just
highlight
three
points
that
are
personal
to
my
beliefs
in
and
one
is
the
safety
of
the
alley
we
share
with
a
commercial
ally
with
us
as
it
t--'s
into
it.
We
get
a
lot
of
traffic
already
coming
from
those
businesses
shooting
down
the
alley.
So
psyche
triangles
are
important,
whether
it's
a
one
or
a
two
car
garage.
M
It's
still
a
blind
spot
number
two
is
the
trees
I'm
here
to
advocate
for
the
trees.
There's
two
heritage
trees,
an
oak
on
mr.
horse
Dean's
property
that
extends
the
canopy
into
the
lot
and
then
an
elm
on
the
Parkway.
That's
over
30
inches
that
the
canopy
extends
as
well,
which
is
the
critical
root
zone.
So
I
want
to
give
these
trees
loans
and
not
cut
them
off
with
root
pruning
and
eventually
be
lost
in
time,
and
then,
thirdly,
is
the
flooding
I
actually
have
a
picture.
M
I'll
share
with
you
that
you
can
pass
around
of
our
yard,
probably
what
I'll
walk
home
to
tonight
after
these
storms.
But
our
flooding
is
unbelievable.
We
have
a
pond
every
time
it
rains.
It
takes
two
days
to
go
down
and
I
can
only
imagine
what
a
10-foot
basement
would
do
to
this
beyond
my
neighbor's
mine
and
then
extend
into
the
alley
and
even
onto
the
sidewalks,
so
I
know
we
say:
there's
a
setback
at
ten
feet
for
the
property
to
take
a
downspout
and
let
it
relieve.
M
A
N
Charles
Darwin
live
living
in
Evanston,
26:53
Reese
for
about
17
years
now
now-
and
you
know,
this
is
all
about
variance
and
I
can
tell
you,
there's
no
variance
and
how
the
neighbors
feel
about
this.
You
guys
have
been
looking
at
this
for
three
years.
This
is
the
first
time
I've
come
here
to
City.
Hall
I,
don't
quite
know
why
this
is
continuing.
If
there's
any
question
what
the
what
the
neighbors
want,
the
community's
it
wants.
You
know
I
think
they
have
presidents
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
N
Yes,
I
pay
premium
in
taxes
and
I.
Think
all
of
you
live
in
Evanston
in
to
all
pay
premium
and
taxes
right.
So
we
pay
more
taxes
than
Skokie.
We
don't
live
there.
We
don't
live
in
well,
Matt,
we
don't
live
in
Chicago
I,
don't
live
in
Chicago,
because
I
don't
want
that
high-density!
I!
Don't
want
that
kind
of
a
zoning.
I
love
coming
out
of
my
house:
I
love
the
street.
I
love
the
trees
above
the
experience,
so
what
am
I
really
paying
for
right,
I'm
paying
for
it
experience.
So
it's
very
clear.
N
O
So
we've
been
at
this
for
two
years
and
I've
been
coming
to
these
meetings
and
I've
been
listening
to
all
those
meetings
into
what's
going
on
here
tonight,
trying
to
decide
in
my
own
mind
what
what
is
the
narrative
of
this
thing
that
we've
been
going
through
for
the
past
two
years
and
here's
the
best
that
I
can
come
up
with
we.
We
have
this
application
for
some
zoning
variances.
We
we
have
neighbors
who
are
going
to
have
to
live
with.
O
Whatever
happens,
you
know
we
have
researches
reassurances
like
these
things
probably
won't
happen,
but
year
after
year
after
year,
we
have
to
live
with
whether
or
not
they
actually
do
or
do
not.
The
applicant
will
come
in
and
build
a
structure
sell.
The
structure
does
not
have
to
live
with
anything
that
happens
from
this
point
on
and
we
have
a
tax
base
that
would
benefit
for
an
amount.
O
A
You
Michael
when
it
starts
with
Abby.
Oh.
P
Hi
I
live
at
26:54,
Reese
I've
lived
there
for
54
years,
I,
pretty
much
agree
with
everything
that
everybody
has
said.
This
proposed
development
is
way
too
large
for
the
size
of
the
lot.
If
you
stand
and
put
your
hands
out
to
people
touch
hands,
that's
the
size
of
the
lot
and
you're
going
to
put
a
house
on
there.
It's
it's
just
way
too
large
for
that
lot.
Sighs!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
Q
Sorry,
thank
you
for
hearing
all
of
us.
Neighbors
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
love
neighbors,
it's
not
about
that.
We
love
children.
We
have
a
great
neighborhood
for
kids
and
any
family
that
would
like
a
small
home
to
move
into
a
wonderful
neighborhood
and
go
to
Willard
school.
This
would
be
great
and
I.
Q
A
S
S
My
comments
will
focus
on
three
things:
the
staff
report,
a
matter
of
fairness
and
rational
decision
based
rational
decision-making
based
on
the
rules,
so,
regarding
the
staff
report,
I
think
I
want
to
commend
the
staff
on
research
based
back
based
recommendation.
If
you
read
the
recommendation,
they
went
through
all
of
the
data
on
the
characteristics
of
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
the
house
heights,
the
sizes,
the
yards.
S
All
of
these
things,
I
think
staff
did
what
the
city
asked
it
to
do,
which
was
to
determine
whether
the
proposed
application
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
fit
with
the
characters.
Resume
and
staff
said
that
it
did.
They
recommended
two
modifications
which,
frankly,
are
significant
impacts
to
the
livability
and
attractiveness
of
the
house.
S
The
baby.
Well,
I'm,
certainly
not
overjoyed
at
the
two
modifications,
but
I
can
live
with
them.
It's
much
better
than
not
having
any
house
to
build
at
all,
as
which
I
never
thought
it
would
come
to
pass
because
I
believe
I
have
a
right.
There,
I
believe
staff
believes
I,
probably
legally
have
a
right
to
build
the
house
there
and
that's
why
I
pursued
this
all
this
all
this
time.
So
I
commend
staff
on
a
fact-based
report
and
recommendation
on
the
matter
of
fairness.
S
S
It's
no
coincidence
that
when
I
went
in
front
of
dapper
your
staff
based
design
review
committee,
which
is
not
subject
to
neighbor
pressure,
I
received
a
71
favorable
recommendation
on
the
first
proposal,
which
was
larger
and
higher
and
I,
received
a
sixty-one
recommendation
on
this
proposal
again
in
front
of
technical
people
who
are
not
subject
to
neighbor
pressure.
I
got
a
6
to
1
favorable
recommendation.
S
So
I
want
to
point
that
out
with
respect
to
a
building
being
a
build,
a
lot
I
went
to
the
city
staff
before
I
put
an
offer
on
the
property
said:
I
know
it
would
require
major
variances.
I
know
it's
gonna
be
an
arduous
process.
Is
this
a
build
a
lot?
If
the
city
doesn't
want
anybody
building
on
this
lot,
I
won't
buy
it.
S
Staff
said
it
is
a
buildable
I
didn't
and
they
said
it
because
it
has
a
buildable
lot
legalese
to
build
a
lot
and
municipalities
cannot
deny
the
right
to
build
on
on
a
lot
when
they
have
created
that
lot
of
subdivision
they've
created
the
zoning
standards
that
make
building
on
the
lot
impossible
without
variants.
So
that's
why
staff
said
it
was
a
buildable
lot.
That's
why
I
believe
it
is
a
billable
lot
today
and
why
we're
here
now
the
neighbors
by
and
large,
are
in
older
homes
that
were
built
under
old
rules.
S
Ok
and
the
Lots
apparently
25
foot
wide
lots
that
are
in
the
neighborhood.
There
are,
as
you
know,
and
then
staff
report
several
25
for
wide
corner
lots.
This
house
would
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood.
There
are
other
25
foot
wide
Lots.
Both
houses
on
them
that,
frankly,
are
larger,
have
less
setbacks
them
this
would
have.
So
this
is
not
in
any
way
out
of
character
and
I
believe
out
of
fairness.
The
city
needs
to
approve
this.
This
ordinance
now
with
respect
to
of
ranch
Lance's
in
making
process
deciding
by
the
rules.
S
What
are
the
rules?
The
rules
are
the
standards
for
variants
that
that
are
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
because
this
had
parking
within
the
street
side
yard.
This
came
before
the
City
Council
before
your
committee,
and
you
are
the
final
authority
on
this.
It
doesn't
go
back
to
the
CBA,
thankfully,
so
those
are
the
rules
and
and
the
rules
are
open
to
interpretation.
Obviously,
but
you
can't
make
up
new
rules
as
a
means
of
denying
something
that
is
really
a
right.
I,
believe
you
have
an
obligation
to
make
a
decision
by
the
rules.
S
I
was
all
of
this
made
the
last
hearing
when
this
matter
of
heritage
trees
was
brought
up.
It
kind
of
was
a
curveball
to
me,
because
I
hadn't
heard
about
heritage,
trees
and
and
possibly
denying
the
these
variances
based
out
of
hair
registries
well
heritage
trees
are
not
defined
in
a
city
ordinance,
there's
no
city
ordinance
that
says
that
the
city
can't
deny
building
out
a
lot
by
the
presence
of
heritage
trees
on
the
lot
or
on
adjacent
lot.
There's
no
registry
of
heritage,
trees
and
there's
no
definitive
registry.
This
is
a
heritage
tree.
S
This
is
not
here's
a
heritage
tree
I
am
a
registered
Landscape.
Architect
I
do
know
about
trees,
I've
built
22
houses,
I've
never
lost
a
tree
on
a
lot
that
I
that
I
wanted
to
keep
I.
Frankly,
never
lost
a
few
I've
transplanted
onto
a
lot
and
I
do
a
lot
of
landscaping
on
the
houses
I
built.
I
talked
to
your
forestry
head
of
your
4:3
Department
Paul
D'agostino
today
said:
what's
this
heritage
tree
said
well,
there's
a
very
loose
term.
It's
it's
ill-defined!
It's
it's
really
very
subjective.
S
What's
a
heritage
tree,
what's
not
a
registry
I
said?
Well,
let
me
ask
you
this:
if
there
are
two
large
trees
adjacent
to
a
lot,
let's
say
they're
20
feet
away
from
from
where
the
building
would
go.
You
know,
can
those
trees
be
saved
through
the
use
of
best
practices
and
forestry?
He
said
yes,
that
may
be
a
special
case
or
a
very,
very
sensitive
tree,
where
some
mr.
James
can
you
kind
of
yeah,
so
the
trees
are
not
an
issue.
Okay.
Frankly,
drainage
is
not
an
issue.
S
If
you
talk
to
your
own
staff
about
drainage
will
drain
we're
building
a
house
here
affect
drainage
in
the
neighborhood,
even
on
the
adjacent
property.
The
answer
you
know
would
would
be
no
it's
not
going
to
with
respect
to
safety
and
the
alley
there
are
several
garages
built,
3
feet
off
the
alley,
and
I've
mentioned
this.
In
my
my
first
petition,
I
modified
the
garage
out
of
deference
for
the
safety
issue.
Staff
has
gone
one
step
further
and
said
we'll
take
out
the
open
parking
space
that
frankly
met
the
rules
for
site
visibility.
S
Out
of
deference
to
this
concern,
so
I
believe
that
the
proposal
before
you
very
much
meets
fits
in
with
the
characteristics
of
the
neighborhood.
It
is
a
plan
that
meets
the
standards
for
variation.
There
is
an
obligation,
I
believe
from
proofs,
approved
some
house
designed
for
this
lot.
Frankly,
I
would
love
to
have
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
on
the
two
conditions
that
staff
recommended
in
terms
of
the
roof
design
and
if
you
wanted
to
allow
the
open
parking
spot,
that
would
be
great
but
I
just
wanted
and
I
guess,
I'm.
S
C
S
Know,
I
really
don't
I
have
to
say
I'm
just
focused
on
getting
an
approval.
Typically,
a
good
sales
price
would
be
I
mean
a
sales
price
that
would
be
consistent
with
what
new
houses
are
going
for
would
be
in
the
range
of
225
to
250
a
square
foot,
so
you
know
I
would
I
would
hope
to
get
somewhere
in
the
range
of
200
or
the
square
foot,
and
it
may
be
that
this
house,
given
you
know
the
small
lot
and
so
forth,
wouldn't
wouldn't
get
that
okay,
it
is.
S
It
is
actually
very
difficult
to
predict
what
a
house
is
going
to
solve
for
the
built
22
of
them.
Some
have
sold
for
what
I
thought
some
sold
for
less
than
what
I
thought
a
couple
sold
for
more
than
I
thought
they
would
so
it's
very
difficult
and,
frankly,
I
think
that's
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
C
A
A
C
Just
be
super
quick,
I've
acts,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
this
I
know
a
number
or
maybe
all
of
us
have
as
well
and
also
struggle
with
it.
My
very
very
strong
inclination
is
to
want
to
you
know,
make
good
use
of
the
property,
and
that
is
you
know
the
approve
approve
something
may
be
built
there.
Obviously,
it's
a
smaller
lot
and
in
the
sense
of
this
building,
it's
it's
substandard,
my
belief
and
observation
and
doing
this
job
for
10
years.
C
If
so,
we've
really
been
working
towards
a
trend
of
you
know
considering
substandard
lot
sizes
and
property
sizes.
But
the
general
idea
for
me
and
I
think
for
the
group
is
that
that's
in
conjunction
with
opportunities
for
more
we're
all
going
to
call
affordable
housing.
You
know
market
rate,
affordable
housing.
C
T
Thank
you,
but
alderman
Wilson
I,
you
know
we
know
from
dealing
with
the
not-for-profits
that
affordable
housing
is
unaffordable.
The
not-for-profits
have
shown
us
that
to
rehab
to
units
of
affordable
housing
is
three
and
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It's
just
way
beyond
what
we
ever
suspected.
So
what
I
want
to
know
is
if
our
staff
has
identified
this
as
a
buildable
lot,
what
can
you
build
on
it
and
what
is
what
is
the
cost
of
the
lot?
T
B
T
T
M
U
M
Come
up
and
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
specifics,
but
I
think
the
comment
that
was
provided
earlier
about
being
a
buildable
lot.
I
wasn't
present
for
that
conversation,
but
that
often
will
come
up
when
when
people
meet
to
understand
a
concept
for
a
project-
and
it's
usually
described
as
buildable,
but
you
may
have
to
get
seat
variances,
depending
on
what
your
you're
seeking
and
I
don't
know.
If,
during
that
meeting
mr.
James
said
here's
what
I'm
looking
at
doing
or
or
what.
T
T
If
the
person
next
door
purchases
a
lot,
their
house
gets
knocked
down
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
larger
house
built
a
single-family
home,
that's
going
to
be
larger,
and
so
that's
going
to
make
both
lives
much
more
valuable,
so
that
probably
would
be
approved
and
approved
by
the
neighbors.
But
we're
not
going
to
get
I.
Think
I
can
predict
that
we
are
never
going
to
get
a
smaller
home
that
lot
and
I
think
alderman
Wilson.
Who
does
this
kind
of
thing
for
a
living?
T
T
So
there's
not
gonna
be
and
I
would
predict
mm
I
would
predict
in
neighborhoods,
like
the
one
we're
talking
about
there.
Probably
aren't
gonna
be
any
real,
affordable
homes
built
on
small
lots
and
I
I.
Think
we're
just
going
to
have
to
accept
that
there,
with
the
cost
of
construction,
with
the
cost
of
everything,
there's
there's
just
not
going
to
be
affordable
homes
built
and
small
homes,
single-family
and
they're,
not
going
to
be
I
mean
I.
T
I
can't
wait
to
find
out
the
details
of
this
of
the
sixty
units
that
are
going
to
build
on
Howard
Street,
the
cost
of
that
building.
It's
going
to
be
extraordinary,
affordable
housing
is
very
expensive
and
you
can
look
at
any
journals
any
place.
You're
gonna
see
that
just
that's
why
you
need
subsidies
to
keep
housing
affordable.
It's
absolutely
bottom
line.
T
So
there's
just
anybody.
Anybody
out
there
who
wants
to
come
and
buy
this
lot
and
build
anything
forget
about
it.
Unless
you've
got
subsidies
because
it's
never
gonna
happen,
the
neighbors
are
never
going
to
approve
it,
and
it's
just
never
going
to
happen
because
you're
gonna
have
to
have
variances
and
nobody's
gonna.
Want
a
house
it'll
fit
on
that
lot
with
without
variances
and
you're
gonna
have
to
have
variances
and
nobody's
gonna
want
them.
V
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Johanna,
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
about
the
zoning
theory.
V
V
Was
it
when
something
is
grandfathered
in
that
the
thought
is
in
the
future?
These
will
turn
into
larger
Lots
that
the
larger
Lots
will
join
together
and
become
consistent
with
our
one
zoning
or
what?
What
was
the
thought
behind
behind
that?
Can
you
share
that
with
me?
The
other
thing
that
I
have
to
say
bothers
me
is,
is,
and
I
don't
know
the
conversation
at
all.
V
But
if
an
applicant
comes
to
the
city
and
asks
a
simple
question,
is
a
lot
buildable
and
we
say
yes-
and
this
is
a
question
for
you
corporation
counsel,
after
Johanna.
But
what
is
our
obligation?
And
that's
and
I
worry
about
that?
But
Johanna.
Could
you
just
tell
me
because
I'm
I'm,
having
a
hard
time
with
our
one
zoning
in
this
neighborhood
involved,
I'm.
M
W
It
was
pointed
out
at
previous
owning
board
hearings
that
many
of
the
Lots
in
this
neighborhood
are
substandard
compared
to
our
one
standards,
and
that
potentially
are
two
standards,
which
is
another
single-family
zoning
district,
but
has
a
smaller
lot
size
of
5,000
square
feet
minimum
as
opposed
to
7,200
square
feet.
Minimum
would
would
have
been
in
1993
a
better
zoning,
more
appropriate
zoning
district
for
this
neighborhood,
but
unfortunately,
I
don't
have
that
information
about
wise
was
designated
for
this
particular
neighborhood.
V
W
For
a
new
lot
that
was
created
if
there
was
a
larger
lot,
who's
being
subdivided
would
need
to
comply
with
r1
standards.
So
the
7200
square
foot
lot
size.
However,
the
zoning
or
does
speak
to
the
non-conforming
lots
lots
that
were
created
before
the
93
zoning
ordinance
and
essentially
says
they
may
be
built
upon
if
they
comply
with
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance,
and
in
this
case,
with
the
25-foot
width
and
the
5
foot
interior
side
yard
and
15
foot
street
side
yard,
there's
there's
some
sort
of
variance
that
would
be
needed.
Okay,.
X
Cut
city
attorney,
this
discussion
seems
to
be
circulating
around
the
standard
number
three
and
under
major
variations
which
states
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulties
peculiar
to
the
property.
So
the
applicant
has
recognized
in
his
comments
that
he
purchased
a
substandard
lot
and
that
the
city
staff
had
said
as
part
of
the
application
meaning
to
get
variances.
The
city
staff
had
was
very
clear.
The
variances
is
part
of
the
process,
so
the
city
staff
actually
acted
appropriately.
We
gave
the
necessary
direction
that
it
is
not
automatic
that
you
could
build
on
this
lot.
X
A
S
So
again,
with
respect
to
the
question
of
whether
it's
buildable
I
believe
that
the
question
has
been
answered,
that
is
buildable.
The
matter
of
variance
is
in
question
here.
So
there's
a
right
to
build
a
house
on
this
lot
question
is
whether
this
house
meets
the
variance
standards
and
coming
up
before
the
CBA
twice,
and
they
denied
me
twice
unanimously,
and
the
question
is
okay.
This
doesn't
meet
that
what
meets
the
said.
Well,
we
can't
give
you
any
direction
on
what
kind
of
a
house
would
meet
the
standards.
S
So
when
you
get
tonight
again
and
again
and
again-
oh
this
doesn't
mean
if
this
doesn't
mean
if
this
doesn't
meet
it.
You
know
they're
not
willing
to
approve
any
house
on
this
on
this
lot,
which
is
what
I
think
is
the
case
and,
furthermore,
to
ask
you.
There
are
other
20,000
on
20
foot
wide
Lots
in
this
neighborhood.
Let's
suppose
one
of
them
burned
down,
okay
by
ordinance,
you're
not
allowed
to
rebuild
on
a
non-conforming
lot
without
getting
the
same
variances
I'm
asking
for
so.
S
A
Well,
I
was
among
my
colleagues
who
walked
around
the
neighborhood
quite
a
bit
on
Sunday.
You
may
recall
at
the
first
Planning
and
Development
Committee
meeting
when
we
talked
about
this
property.
I
said
I
had
gone
to
visit
the
site
and
I
had
almost
missed
it
because
it
was
so
small,
but
when
I
went
back
this
time,
I
was
doing
it
in
the
context
of
the
discussion
we've
been
having
and
the
information
in
our
packet.
A
That
really
did
point
out
the
fact
that
there
were
a
lot
of
these
substandard
Lots
in
the
in
the
neighborhood
and
so
as
I
walked
around
I
did
see
a
lot
of
basically
25
foot
wide
Lots
I
saw
a
lot
of
houses
that
seemed
to
have
basically
three
foot
side
yards
from
their
immediate
neighbors.
So
the
houses
look
to
me
very
similar
in
in
sort
of
the
side
yard
setbacks
to
what
this
proposal
is.
A
There's
even
there
even
several
houses,
the
other,
so
the
interior
side,
yard
setback
of
three
feet
seemed
to
be
comparable
to
a
lot
of
what
I
saw
in
some
of
the
other
properties
around
the
neighborhood.
Then
there's
the
three
and
a
half
foot
side,
street
side
yard
setback
on
Hartzell
and
I
had
initially
thought.
You
know
that
that
would
be.
You
know
just
much
too
close
to
the
sidewalk,
but
there
in
fact,
several
houses
in
that
neighborhood
that
have
a
similar
setback
from
the
sidewalk.
A
So
so
I
became
frankly
comfortable
with
the
proposed
side
yard
setbacks.
The
the
proposed
house
is
smaller
than
what
was
originally
proposed
and
what
we
talked
about
at
planning
and
development.
The
last
time
it
has
a
smaller
footprint.
It's
reduced
the
extension
into
the
backyard.
The
lot
coverage
is
now
closer
to
the
requirement.
That
requirement
says
30%
lot
coverage,
and
this
is
now
thirty
six
point.
Five
percent
coverage
and
an
improved
sight
line
somewhat
in
the
alley
by
getting
rid
of
the
parking
pad
coming
into
the
meeting.
A
I
have
to
say
storm
the
storm
water
runoff
question
was
really
a
major
concern
and
now
I've
heard
some
really
pretty
disturbing
story
of
a
similar
house
in
South,
Evanston
and
I
guess.
I
I
would
somehow
want
some
kind
of
assurance
from
staff
that
there'd
be
I,
don't
know
if
the.
If
the
problem
is
because
of
the
basement,
that
then
makes
it
so
difficult
to
deal
with
the
stormwater
runoff.
You
know
if
the
water
table
is
truly
just
a
few
inches
down
below
the
surface.
A
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
be
having
a
house
that
goes
and
it
needs
a
sump
pump.
That's
running
24
hours
a
day,
so
I
have
to
say
I'm
I'm
I
thought
I
knew
what
I
was
gonna
do
when
I
came
into
the
meeting,
but
now
I'm
not
sure.
I
also
think
that
I
personally
do
think
we
want
to
be
able
to
build
on
smaller,
Lots
I
think
they
do
afford
an
opportunity
to
create,
perhaps
not
totally
affordable
housing,
but
certainly
lower
cost
housing.
Y
Thank
you,
I
I
have
to
say
that
I
do
think
the
neighbors
have
a
lot
of
serious
concerns
here.
You
know
I.
This
neighborhood
was
originally
built
before
we
had
the
standards
that
we
have
now
and,
and
so
I
think
one
of
the
key
things
is
not
to
aggravate
issues
are
not
to
repeat
things
that
we
wouldn't
necessarily
do
again.
So
I
do
think
the
setbacks,
especially
the
interior
side
yard
setback,
is
serious.
Concern
to
me.
I
also
think
that
the
stormwater
issue
is
one
that
I
find
insurmountable.
Y
I
have
a
house
that
was
built
in
the
Third
Ward
with
a
nine-foot
basement
where
the
water
table
was
is
very
high
in
this
particular
location,
and
it
has
a
sump
pump
that
runs
continuously.
The
lot
is
large
enough
that
it
disperses
the
water,
but
when
it
was
built,
I
did
actually
know
I,
don't
know
now
the
amount
of
gallons
that
it
produced
every
day,
and
it
was
extraordinary
so,
but
that
lot
was
very
large
and
it
was
possible
to
do
that.
Y
The
expense
of
it
was
huge,
so
I,
you
know,
one
of
these
pictures
of
the
nearby
yards
clearly
indicate
that
the
water
table
is
very
high,
so
I
think
that
would
have
a
very
negative
impact
on
the
the
value
of
the
homes
nearby.
So
you
know
I'm
I'm
disinclined
to
approve
this
I
also
think
this
is
a
lot
that
you
know.
I
recognize
your
expertise,
but
for
this
amount
of
money
there
obviously
was
there
were
concerns
about
whether
what
you
could
possibly
build
on
it
and
another
option
would
have
been
to
purchase
it
with
contingencies.
Y
You
know
he's
owning
contingency
well,
that
was
a
risk
right,
but
that,
but
that's
a
but
that's
it
that's
another
way
of
protecting
yourself
when
it's
a
tricky
lot
like
this
I.
Do
think
that,
frankly,
that
I
think
that
if
there
are
other
empty
lots
like
this
in
the
city,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
them
and
figure
out.
Do
we
have
a
should
we
have
a
different
standard
of
what
the
setbacks
are
or
a
different
height
limitation,
something
like
that,
or
should
we
deem
them
unbuildable
and
and
figure
out
what
happens
legally.
Y
U
V
M
The
suggested
changes
were
resulted
from
the
discussion
that
had
occurred
here
and
and
in
order
to
remove
increase
the
permeable
surface,
the
parking
pad
was
removed
at
as
well
as
to
increase
the
sight
triangle,
so
those
were
suggestions
that
have
been
made
that
mr.
James
incorporated
into
the
design.
So
they
were
part
of
this.
This
deliberation.
K
I
mean
is
they
drove
down
in
Cathy,
Miller's
house
next
door
and
they
went
through
the
foundation
because
there
was
something
going
on
and
as
they
went
through
the
foundation,
the
water
table
was
like
this
far
below
the
foundation.
I
actually
saw
it,
that's
how
far
it
is,
and
it's
that
way
for
all
over
two
houses
down.
They
have
an
underwater
Creek
going
through
his
house.
T
T
I'm
wondering
how
has
this
become
a
much
better
house,
even
though
then,
let's
say
I
mean
I
understand
the
neighbors,
don't
like
it,
they
don't.
They
don't
want
this
house
there,
but
maybe
maybe
in
terms
of
being
a
better
house
and
I
think
we
want
better
houses
all
over
town
that
maybe
this
is
a
better
quality
house
and
would
fit
better
on
this
property.
T
T
C
Thank
you
and
you
know
in
the
end,
you
know
it
could
be
a
cautionary
tale,
so
you
know
sometimes
you
have
to
be
careful
what
you
wish
for.
So
if
we
say
no
to
this,
someone
will
come
up
with
some
kind
of
creative
use.
Maybe
that
is
you
know
three
of
those
little
tiny
homes,
so
I
don't
know
that
people
would
want
three
tiny
homes,
but
that
might
work,
and
that
might
be
you
know,
zoning.
C
Why
is
something
that
would
be
more
acceptable,
so
I
just
kind
of
caution,
everybody
that
you
know
you
did
I
understand
all
the
points
that
are
being
made,
but
once
those
points
are
made
and
it's
you
know,
pushed
into
a
certain
finite
range,
you
might
get
something
that
you
hadn't
really
expected.
So
so
just
you
know
be
thoughtful
unconscious
about
that
directors.
Don't
back
it!
Maybe
you
can
answer
this
water
table
issue.
Z
Evening,
Dave
stomac
public
works
director,
I'm
unfamiliar
with
the
level
of
the
water
table
in
this
particular
area,
but
I
do
know.
If
you
build
a
basement
below
the
water
table
over
that,
your
sump
pump
will
run
continuously
24/7,
it's
just
your
all.
The
pipes
around
your
building
the
drain
tile
pick
up
that
water.
Putting
this
on
pit
and
the
sump
it
continually
pumps
it
out.
We've
noticed
that
several
properties
in
Evanston
and
it
over
time
it
becomes
a
problem
I
think
he
heard
his
speaker
earlier
tonight.
Z
That
said,
they
did
some
changes
that
worked
for
a
while,
but
once
the
ground
gets
saturated
again,
it
just
starts
keeping
up
on
the
surface
level
of
the
property
and
then
by
ordinance
at
the
forefoot
away
from
the
property
line
where
they
discharged
their
stormwater,
that's
generally
by
the
ally.
But
then
it
just
finds
its
way
out
into
the
alley
causes
an
issue
even
in
the
wintertime
as
well,
because
it
will
continue
to
discharge
and
then
it
freezes
up
in
the
alley,
and
we
have
several
concerns
with
that
as
well.
Now,.
C
I'm
assuming
you're
not
familiar
with
the
property,
would
it
be
an
option
to
have
your
staff?
You
know
you
know,
take
a
look
at
this.
I
mean
you
know.
If
the
situation
is,
if
nobody's
going
to
be
able
to
realistically
build
a
full
basement,
then
it
you
know
it
would
be
useful
if
they
knew
that
you
know
before
you
know
they
or
anybody
else.
So.
Z
C
No,
it's
not
for
you,
but
you
know
yeah.
You
know.
I.
Certainly
I
recognize
it's
it's
dragging
out
and
it's
more
work
in
all
of
this,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
my
general
philosophy.
Is
you
don't
wanna
make
it
worse,
so
I
don't
want
to
make
it
worse
and
if
it's
just
not
if
it's
not
feasible,
you
also
don't
want
to.
You
know,
lay
a
foundation
and
then
have
everybody.
You
know
coming
back
at
you,
yeah.
S
So
of
the
22
houses
I
built,
there
was
one
house
that
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the
house
at
this
objector
referenced,
the
house
was
544
Wesley
I,
built
on
to
two
Lots
side-by-side.
The
addresses
for
542
Wesley
and
544
Wesley
544
Wesley
did
go
down
into
the
water
table
and
especially
when
the
building
is
new
and
the
excavation
the
backfill
is
is,
is
new
and
is
not
compressed.
S
S
542
Wesley
did
not
have
the
same
problem.
Okay,
so
this
is
a
very
localized
condition.
I,
don't
think
you
know
until
you
you
dig
down
it.
Also
there
was
a
seasonal
high
water
table,
so
in
the
springtime
on
the
ground
is
saturated.
When
there's
not
much
evaporation
occurring,
the
water
table
is
higher
than
in
the
height
of
summer,
when
there
is
evaporation
of
water
tables
lower.
So
I
guess
you
know.
S
S
A
V
Well,
that's
I
mean
it's
interesting.
If
the
neighbors,
the
other
neighbors,
aren't
having
a
problems,
a
problem
with
it,
I
I
think
that's
that's
interesting
and
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
we
are
encouraging
smaller,
hopefully,
affordable
houses
on
smaller
Lots
I
mean
that's
the
direction
that
we've
been
moving
in
I
mean.
Would
we,
as
a
committee,
accept
this?
If
there
were
no
variances
involved,
would
we
be
obligated
to
accept
it
if
there's
no
variances
involved
or
how
would
that
I.
X
X
A
V
T
T
Y
Y
V
I
go
yeah,
I
know
so
waiting
for
Dave
for
just
a
second,
so
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
about
water
tables,
because
we
learned
a
lot
from
the
Kendall
project
where
apparently,
there
was
a
huge
water
problem
and
the
way
that
we
dealt
with
that
was-
and
this
rarely
happens,
but
going
to
MW
Rd
and
asking
if
the
water
could
be
flushed
into
the
fresh
water
system.
Mw
Rd
never
agrees
to
that
and
Dave.
Could
you
just
I'm
trying
to
talk
about
Kendall
and
I?
Z
So
one
the
city
of
Evanston
doesn't
want
storm
water
going
into
its
combined
sewer
system,
we're
vastly
undersized
and
we
surcharge
on
the
rain
events,
and
we
spent
two
hundred
ten
million
dollars
to
try
to
prevent
that.
So
it's
not
sound
business
then
tell
people
to
hook
some
pumps
up
to
these
small
pipes.
Z
In
the
case
of
Kendall
College,
there
was
a
relief
sewer
which
has
no
basements
connected
to
it
that
if
it
hooked
up
to
that
we're
just
taking
a
little
bit
of
capacity
away
from
that
sewer,
we're
not
jeopardizing
any
basements
and
then
yes,
they
were
able
to
get
a
revised.
They
were
able
to
get
a
permit
from
the
district
allowing
that
to
occur,
but
the
city
had
a
say
it
was
okay
as
well,
but.
Z
Z
V
Z
At
Kendall
College,
that
was
something
that
went
on
for
two
and
a
half
to
three
years
before
they
took
those
actions,
so
it
wasn't
like
it
went
away
after
compaction
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
a
if
you
build
below
the
ground
table
level.
It's
you're
going
to
have
some
pumps
continuously
discharging
right.
V
So
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
to
the
developer,
how
you
how
you
address
this,
but
that
would
be
something
that,
if
I
were
looking
at
building
on
this
site,
I
would
certainly
want
to
look
at
before
I
proceeded
with
this
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
we
as
a
committee
want
to
grant
him
time
to
look
at
it
or
not,
but
and
I
haven't
even
gotten
into
my
concerns
about
the
trees.
So.
V
Z
V
V
A
X
One
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
under
the
city
code
under
for
20
4-1
developments
requiring
the
stormwater
control,
it
simply
states
all
new
developments
shall
provide
stormwater
control
for
the
entire
property.
So
this
subject
is
a
new
developments.
It
would
be
subject
to
those
provisions.
It
goes
on
for
additional
restrictions
if
there's
a
larger
lot
size,
but
I
would
anticipate
that
during
the
final
DEP
or
review
whatever
stormwater
control
mechanism,
that
the
developer
seeks,
Ingrid
and
city
staff
would
have
objections
and
the
proposal
would
be
vetted.
X
A
T
So
we're
concerned
about
this
water
table
and
I
mean
we
there's
water
table.
The
water
table
runs
over
under
everybody's
property
all
over
the
city,
and
this
has
come
up
because
of
all
the
properties
bill
has
developed
all
over
town.
There
was
one
incident
and
it
appears
as
though
there
was
another
incident
in
this
neighborhood
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
a
common
problem
it
when
it
happens.
T
R
Think
we
got
sidetracked
with
the
water
table,
discussion
agent
and
let's
go
back
an
hour
and
a
half
or
so
to
everything
that
these
people
said
I
think
mr.
James
is
a
diligent
and
reasonable
person,
but
he
used
the
colloquialism
earlier
where
he
said.
You
know
that
this
isn't
a
house
I
want
to
build,
but
I
can
live
with
it
and
you
say:
hey
I
can
live
with
it
in
the
colloquial
sense,
these
people
would
have
to
live
with
it
in
the
actual
real
it's
on
their
block
sense,
and
it's
too
big
for
the
lot.
R
That's
the
bottom
line.
You
talk
with
the
water
table
visibility.
All
these
things
that
up
to
that
this
house
is
too
big
for
a
lot
now.
You
know
mr.
James
asked
for
guidance
on
what
could
be
built
there.
That's
not
our
place,
but
this
shouldn't
be
built
there
and
I'm.
Just
gonna.
Ask
that
everyone
who
spoke
today
when
we
vote,
consider
just
rejecting
it
rather
than
kicking
it
to
Council
for
another
demonstration
like
this
I
mean
this
has
been
a
three-year
process
and
mr.
James
is
known
about
the
drainage
and
water
issues.
R
Since
the
day
he
bought
it,
so
if
you
want
to
give
him
more
time
at
least
be
honest
with
yourselves,
it's
not
because
he's
researching
something
that
he
was
unaware
of.
This
has
been
something
he's
known
about
since
day.
One,
it's
been
a
small
lot
since
before
he
bought
it,
he
was
aware
of
it.
He
chose
to
buy
it.
This
is
the
plan
he's
proposing,
what's
rejected.
A
V
A
Okay,
all
right
are
we
ready
to
vote
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
before
us
and
obviously
the
ordinance
language
itself
would
have
to
be
revised
to
reflect
the
newest
version
of
the
proposal.
But
the
motion
before
us
is
to
move
to
send
to
the
council
for
introduction
the
the
most
recent
proposal
for
26:26
Reece
Avenue,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye.
T
A
T
Introduction,
okay,
okay,
I
want
a
second,
then
okay,
I
just
want
to
clarify
just
in
case
it's
not
real
clear.
This.
It's
not
gonna
be
built
upon
or
anything
it's
gonna
be
completely
down
and
everything,
including
pumps,
is
all
going
to
be
new.
It's
gonna
be
total
new
construction
and
I
am
totally
in
support
of
it.
All
the
neighbors
are
the
the
Howard
Street
Business
Association
is
very
supportive,
so
I
am
asking
for
a
suspension
of
the
rules,
so
this
can
be
done.
It's
gonna
be
fabulous.
It
really
needs
this
improvement.